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Hanif Bin Ariffin (hbina) share his experience with rust web framework axum.

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Okay yeah, so my name is anif. I am a software developer at globalized here. We use rust for the back end and react for the front end. It's a pretty new company, so it's pretty challenging since I have to work with uh basically from zero, but yeah anyways. uh Since this is the first time I've been using rust for work, so I thought it might be interesting to share my experience using it.

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So yeah, like I said, uh like I even said, I'm using russ an exam at work.

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So if you are here, you're, probably already aware of what rust is and what it offers- and you probably have some experience with it already but anyways- I have to put this here just for completing the sake.

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So if you go, if you, google, russ you're, probably going to come up with the game, but if you, if you add in rust length, you're gonna come up with a website um and from the website page, it says that rust. While you why you should consider us right- and it provides three um sorry reason why the first is performance uh since rust is compared to it's a compact language. So it can offer more reliable performance compared to something like node.js go and also doesn't have any gc, and all that um so yeah you.

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If you you, can tune your software um as much as you want to get the exact performance that you want. uh It's also very reliable. um um Well, the first thing is: rus is probably one of the most well. There are already languages like russ scala husker, but those languages are pretty as esoteric. In my opinion, uh they don't, I don't think they are trying to um accommodate for as many people for us I mean you know I don't think they're trying to reach a wide audience like. I don't think haskell is trying to get.

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You know at the average for to right. Husker right, but russ is different.

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uh Even though russ have this high level um concepts like thought classes um generics um lifetimes, but it's still it's. If you're writing us still feels familiar if you're, if you're from the c type language like javascript touchscreen, go um so you're already familiar with those kind of languages right, so you um yeah it's, but it's reliable in the sense that the type system will guide you. As you program, so um you can represent with a powerful touch system.

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You can represent ideas that you otherwise cannot represent in, like things like javascript, uh even gold, because it doesn't have enum, it doesn't have a powerful enum. So yeah, that's really. I think uh it's pretty great. um It's also uh it's very, quite productive, because it's actually very reliable.

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So once you write something in my experience once you write something and it compiles, you very rarely go back to that code because you have for the first time you are already having to properly represent what you are trying to do.

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So you already debug, while you're writing the code for the first time, you're already seeing all the flaws that you you might see later on right, especially in my previous experience, is using node.js and we use typescript, but typescript is not powerful enough to in my screen, convey some ideas like nullability ideas like um enums right, so you end up well, even though you write fast, you also break things fast as well right. So if you forgot to check for now values you get a comp uh now reference error or something in production.

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That's going to be pretty bad um yeah, so in that regard it's really productive, but even uh my thought is not going to be um um very flowery, for I mean I'm I'm just basically I'm going to be real right, whereas it's not the full fat language as you'll see later on, uh but yeah.

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In that sense, it is productive, but we'll see a lot on why uh russ is still not mature enough, in my opinion, for if there are certain things that need to happen first before you can consider us, but we'll see so yeah um for the. As for the framework for the web service framework, I'm using exam.

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This is actually not my choice. It's just the choice of the my engineering league in the company, but it.

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Pretty good because of the things mentioned here, the first thing is most other frameworks are maintained by a single developer. As far as I know, rocket is maintained, basically maintained by one developer. Even though there are contributors, it opens up and everything, but most of the contribution is coming from a single person right. So if that person is suddenly not interested anymore or you know, something happened, something bad happened to him.

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uh The project is going not going to be maintained or someone has to be has to pick up right and then there's going to be fox and then there's like issues there.

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But exam is maintained by tokyo, which is a pretty really popular, probably the most popular essing library in rus. So you it's less likely to be, uh you know, left up, um and since it it's based on tokyo, it's also and his tokyo is very popular.

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You're also unlikely to come across um async issues, because rus essing, uh because russ does not provide async, does only provide basic async functionalities. There are multiple async frameworks out there and they are not compatible with each other, but tokyo is one of the most popular one, so most crates will cater to that.

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But I personally I haven't come across this issue yet because I have not gone that low level yet so I've not seen the I've. No, I don't even know. What's the difference between all the other async ecosystems uh interests, so yeah in my place. In my experience that hasn't been an issue, but it you you might come across it. If you go low level enough, um there are some boilerplate that you have to write. I have a small code here so yeah.

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So this is the the main function here. uh It's it's similar to most frame most web frameworks, so you have a path that you assign to the server and then you execute the server after on. uh So in that sense, it's very similar, but the different thing is um in other language. I think uh you just need to return something, and then the framework is going to figure out for yourself here. It's also similar, but because it's com it has to be compiled.

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So you can't just uh I don't know, return whatever you need to return, something that makes sense in this case. uh The handler here requires that you return something that implements into response. So as long as that thing, as long as whatever you return implement into response, you can return that.

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Actually, why? Where did my changes? Go? What? Oh sorry? It is not. uh Actually here uh read me: okay, so yeah. The first thing uh yes, so static string implements um into response, so you can return that you can also return any.

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uh You can also written a status quo and then their tailor in this case we, the user here, is just a straw, but there are many different kinds of um a tailor right. I'm sorry, I don't know uh ddto that it can be, I don't know, form a binary form or something, but in this case we still uh exam to return a json and it's going to handle all the header, headers http headers, and all that all the sizes of the file and everything is going to be handled by exam.

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um You can also read yeah. You can also um um get uh get queries from from the request like this, and it's going to.

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uh Since this implement uh use it uses survey, so it's going to automatically perform all the validation for you. So that's pretty nice, so you don't have to write in node.js. You have to write a validator. I don't forget what it's called. I think validator is something, and you requires a lot of manual work and there it's a pretty error prone in my opinion, but with this survey you can be sure that the thing that you are getting is actually a string. So that's pretty nice.

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um You can also get a path like this. I think this is pretty similar. Sorry.

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It doesn't do what.

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uh I know sorry it I mean it does validation in the sense that the things that you are getting is a string right. So if in if I perform a chrome in this website, right I'm going to in the body.

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Can send whatever I want right and in node.js? If, if you send this value it it still works, I mean it's still compiled, it doesn't doesn't even compile right. So you are going to get a runtime error, but right right now you should you should you should send something like this, uh but russ is since compile and received a like. It has serialization and this relation actually uh will actually fail. If you return something and it doesn't make sense, so you uh you'll automatically get validation but um yeah.

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Actually, you can implement variation, because if you have something like a unit or uid.

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So the the serializer and the serializer of this type is going to perform the validation for you. um So yeah, that's pretty nice.

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So if you have a stricted a string, but the string can represent something else, you can actually perform the validation like automatically so.

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Oh yeah yeah. I think it should be possible. uh Oh yeah yeah. I think it should be possible. I don't know but yeah um yeah. I haven't come across that yet, but I I it should be possible to annotate that which survey.

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Something like that.

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Yeah yeah, you can also use custom resolution, but yeah um yeah validation, at least in the in the first level. You you or you make you're assured that the things that you're getting is that that you're getting, which is already nice enough, in my opinion, that um yeah, uh if you want that kind of validation you can actually, you can actually just implement the sorry uh implement from from response. I think sorry from response for create user, something like this and then yeah you you're you're, going to implement the validator in here and yeah.

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It still requires some boilerplate work, yeah, but uh yeah, so it does yeah, and this is basically what exam provides and then you can write your backend using whatever sqlx or whatever um yeah um uh yeah. uh Another thing is since, um as you can see here, there is not that many activity in exam, so ah there's not that many that it's not there's no large community out there, that's using exam. I don't know if I don't know if it's at least I cannot find any of them, so maybe they're hiding somewhere or something.

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But as far as I know, uh as far in my experience, getting help on exams specifically is pretty hard. You basically have to go to their maintainers and get put them to see if they can help you issue with your issues. um So that's um you know pretty bad um yeah and the last thing here um I think if, since you're writing a back camera you're going to communicate with your front end, that's so one way. One communication that I find very powerful and easy is open api. So basically swagger.

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I think it's another name for it. So exam does not have, does not have the ability to generate swagger files automatically. Yet there are work there are um uh there. There is a library for it, but it only works for rocket and the word for exam is not implemented yet so yeah. So you, the yeah, there's kind of there's going to be some friction between you and your left, because you're going to unless you're full stack right.

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But if, if you are only a backhand, then you're going to write the commentation for the front end so yeah.

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uh Let's exam for the obviously, if you're writing a web server you're going to have some some database or something to store your data. For that I use sqlx.

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Discharge is also pretty arbitrary. To be honest.

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In the beginning, we had to choose between this or diesel uh diesel. Unfortunately, diesel does not support axing yet, uh and we are, we are looking uh yeah. We wanted to something uh something icing, so we resort to sqlx.

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uh Sqlites is also pretty nice yeah. You can perform compile time uh checks on your sql queries. So if you can see the query here on the bottom right uh at, I think at build time.

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Sqlite is going to connect to your database. If you provide a database url, the database underscore url environment in during the time right. It's going to connect to your database, get some metadata from your database uh perform some.

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I don't know some compile time checks and then, if there is a mismatch, it's going to throw compare time error so so yeah. You cannot even even though you're writing a raw string, raw sql string you're not going to make a mistake uh because it's roasting right. So it's not it's already, so it's an alternative to orm, which this is an rm right, so yeah. So it already feels, like you know, m, but it just it.

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I think it's better because uh you're not using the best book uh dsl that your your aim is using you're using sql. Everyone is familiar with, but yeah. Since it's compile time you are going to introduce.

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uh I mean comp, overhead compiler overhead, so your development um cycle might be affected, but in my experience it's not as bad if you're, if you're, using a simple queries and also that after the compile time itself, doesn't work for if you're used very complex like if you join multiple table, I don't. I think the the chat is going to get confused um yeah my uh at least in my place. What we do is we write for anything complex.

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We write those queries as a view, and then we write based some simple sql queries in the in our code. uh Yeah that helps removing a lot of the compilation issues.

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Oh yeah yeah database views. I think most databases support this like create view. Sorry.

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And I did another.

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Yeah man yeah, I think, but I think this it still needs to the type that you are uh trying to get from from sql needs to implement um conversion from the sql types into your type right.

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I think for some things, it doesn't support that. So this is my experience. For example, we you lead for sl primary key and even though julie is com, convertible from uuid, which sql support, uh sorry hp, sql support, but sqlx gets confused because it doesn't know that your lead is equivalent to you, your id so yeah, at least in the area. In that case, uh compile temperature is going to get confused as well.

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uh So it's not perfect right, so yeah yo.

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At least, maybe because I'm used to writing note.js, which does not really have any compile time. So that's the cycle. There is much quicker, but the the words that I've got is, I don't know, maybe one minute to a minute uh which is already uh no no to build, but to cargo. I think it takes 30 seconds. I use cargo watch check and so it's uh compiling all the time. So I mean it's 30 seconds, something like that.

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Yeah, like I said it's pretty bad, um especially if you are trying to iterate quickly so yeah you're gonna have to be careful.

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Check errors that sql return is pretty helpful, in my opinion, uh at least at least when it get confused. It automatically uh uh defaults to pg query type. So you get. You know that oh it's confused, but actually it doesn't tell why it's confused. That's the bad thing. I guess it just says. Oh, I don't know what to do. uh I returning something default and you have to figure out what's wrong all right. So that's not nice, I guess um yeah, but the compilation is pretty bad and my code base is pretty small.

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Now I've only been doing this for two months uh three months, something like that and it's already this display. I cannot imagine if you are. If the code base grows every you know more and more micro services added on top of it uh might be, lowers um uh yeah. Another thing: uh you're going to have you're going to need a pretty good, beefy computer, because uh at least my works. My code base requires a 16 gig, especially when it's trying to compile, and especially because I have a 16 core cpu.

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So it's going to spawn a bunch of thread and it takes a lot of memory.

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You might you can reduce the memory usage if you reduce the number of threat that it can spawn but yeah, and then you get slower compare time right so um yeah another great, especially if you're writing a web service you're going to need um you're going to use the libraries if we're going to do extracting data from pdf excel or connecting with sap.

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You don't want to write all of this by yourself right. That's going to be an insane endeavor, so you're going to rely on libraries that other people write, but unfortunately, since russ is not as mature relatively compared to other languages like energize, or you see javascript python you're going to have you're going to find you're, never going to find a perfect library.

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So you have to decide on one and then, if the library does not provide you with the things that you need you're going to have to implement them yourself, and I already have to do that a couple of times with excel, especially um and then yeah. Sorry, no, no, no there's already a library, but it it's not complete right. So because it's pretty new and excel is a pretty big file format.

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So not everything is implemented and and you're going to have to implement some of them yourself, so you're basically going to have to contribute to the library and then, if the author is not responsive, then you're going to have to fork them or copy copy. The file then paste into your and then track them in your project.

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No, no you have to in my workload base. We have a, we have, we use cargo workspace, so each microservice is a workspace and then, if you in my case I have to copy the xl library. So I add the excel crate as a workspace and I try and it's like I have to track all the code and everything.

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Yeah I I I created a message request, but they are not responsive right, so I mean what can you do? You have you're gonna have to have a local fork or you can publish your foreign, but then you know that's what's the point you might as well just copy.

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uh Yeah, I obviously use uh I actually cannot say sharing uh I'll, be I obviously use other libraries like uh ulid. uh I think what other things do I use.

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Oh no, no, I haven't done that yet I I suppose that's possible yeah. We haven't at least at least so far. The the features that I need is implementable right. It's not some weird thing that, except that I don't know about so so far. I at least so far. I can fix them, but maybe in the future, when you are having, I don't know, you need some street requirement and the rust library is simply not there yet yeah.

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You probably have to resort to those kind of solutions, and I mean, since you are working in a microservice you should you need probably have to create another microservice that is based on other language as a sort of a proxy between between the the user and your backend, the actual backend right. So something like that is possible as well, but yeah um you're not going to since you're, not going since.

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There is not that many that large community out there, so you are going to be at the frontier of a rust web development, so sometimes you're going to stumble across something that no well. Maybe someone have come across it, but maybe they haven't published the fixes or something like that, so you have to fix them yourself yeah. So you have to be aware of that yeah. So I think that's pretty much all I have to say um but yeah as a conclusion.

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um To be honest, if you cannot find, if you don't already have a team of developer, that is experience in russ, so you already have that talent in your repository, I don't think you should use rust. We have a new programmer that never used rust before they they were experienced in.

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uh Even though the transition to rush is not that bad. Because it's you know, I mean you know, any language is not that different, but still the cons the you have to you have to they have to go through.

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I think pretty new concepts like traits uh and lifetimes and uh the different type of string, for example like what's what's the difference between us, a reference to a string and a reference to us as a static string, a reference to a string, this capital s right and all that, so it might get confusing for them.

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So you're going to have to deal with that uh or you you have to try somehow to find a rust developer that that has not been pushed by other people. Yet because my experience, if uh experience very experienced developers, are probably already working for some, you know because they are pretty rare they're looking for some high paying job right somewhere. So yeah.

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Going to have trouble finding them uh yeah- I haven't mentioned this before since there's not that many people using rust in the first place, so it might be hard to get help and yeah. The ecosystem is pretty young, so you're going to have to put some work yourself.

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um Yeah and the 0.4 is basically the same thing uh yeah. Another thing I think the every time this is just mine sort of.

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uh Whatever uh every time people mention rus peop, uh even the us developer themselves, always mention. Oh lifetime is a hot or if you use rust or you're, going to have issue with last time. I don't think right. Time is actually an issue because, for the most part, cloning is perfectly fine because, like if you are, if you're conf ever confused with your lifetime, you just clone the thing right and then go your way because most of the time like performance, unless you are, you have a straight performance requirement.

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Performance is not a problem right, um at least in my experience um yeah. That's just something I wanted to say. uh I think that's it yeah um yeah! Sorry, this thought is a bit rambly because I have, I wasn't really prepared. It was a pretty busy couple weeks, so I prepared this like like today. So if you have any questions, yeah go ahead because I'm also not I'm only. I've only been working writing web services for one and a half years. So I'm not that experienced in writing web services in the first place.

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So I I'm curious to know. What's your opinion? What's your? What do you look for in rus as a web developer and all that yeah so feel free to ask a question.

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Yeah I already bought the book, but I haven't had time to read it. I I had to skim through it, but I haven't completed.

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I don't, I don't think, maybe because I'm already been writing rust for a while. I don't think russ itself is problem. It's just the problem so far is not resolute. It's mostly whatever the changing requirement. The usual.

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Development issues and yeah so far in at least in my experience, personal experience, uh rust itself is not has not been a problem, um but yeah uh designing that because yeah, because my company is really new, designing the database. Designing the uh I don't.

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Mainly the database is the hard part.

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uh Yeah scouts scale.

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Let's get supports migration.

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Yeah you can, you can perform migration with so yeah. We we use this in network. As I don't. Okay, yeah yeah um there's a I guess. I can open yeah. There is a cli too. So if you want to create another migration file and.

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So yeah and the alice does that yeah, that's pretty careful, because in the first in the beginning, we actually- I didn't know this existed.

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So what we did before is every time we modify the database, we dump the database as a large sql file, and then we track that which is pretty ridiculous and enhancing it's not it's not uh maintainable at all.

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And where is it here.

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Yeah yeah: we we every time we edit database, we like perform a sql or something and then copy paste, the dum paste into our project and then track the changes. Yeah, it's pretty silly.

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No, I mean not the database actually that we get the schema, not the actual data.

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Yeah because yeah it's pretty bad.

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Yeah I have not used, I I actually we had some issues with because tokyo. Sorry, we yeah whenever there's a panic. um What's still painting. I think that was uh it's not appending, it's not an error, but it propagates up to the handler, and then you get a 5500 response right, but the debug, the debugging experience is not it's pretty bad. Actually, because uh because the error bubble up you, you want you want.

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You want the arrow to bubble up in up to the handler right instead of panicking, because if it panics, then the entire server is going to get polluted the uh this the uh the threat will go. Something is going to get polluted, so you're going to have restart the server. So you want every every error to bubble up up to the handler, but then um you're going to have b. Then you don't have a stack trace right.

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You don't have a text list, so you have to figure out the error from the response that you get. uh One solution is to use to monitor your server using a tokyo console, but no actually I tried to use it, but we have. We actually don't run our web server directly. We run it. We on um inside adapter that another frame would it's it's like a sidecar to your to your application. So this is your app it's my server, and this is my.

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This is the double application that is uh talking to myra server and then and then everything else is talking to double.

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Yeah, it is to make uh the the whole uh the whole point of dapper is to make uh deployment easier and there's also some things that you provide like telemetry and all that the observability and then uh it also make connecting to other micro services easier.

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uh You know stuff, like pubs up uh secret management and all that yeah, but then the problem now the problem is that you're you're not running the app directly and yeah make me a as maybe there's a way to figure that one out but yeah, a tokyo console has not been working for me yeah. So that's pretty unfortunate, um yes and yeah, and we had to resort to basically logging a bunch of things so yeah it's back to print debugging. I guess.

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I mean it's basically print yeah.

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And then we have a um no yeah. Is there.

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Oh so you're going to get the track uh like something like a stack dress.

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So you know exactly where they happen uh uh on something start to login.

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Oh instead of getting like this, you get something like this.

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Okay, yeah I'll look into it. Yeah thanks.

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I think the the main thing is that for a long you just have just one entry like that, but for tracing you have like spans. So it's like kind of like events, kind of thing.

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Russ, what is it called racing? What stressing.

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Okay, yeah. I have to finish that.

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At some point, okay, yeah.

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uh Yeah, oh yeah talk about testing um just we at least in my place. um Testing web services is pretty hard in russ. I think you basically have to write uh raw ku rok um http request using something like request and then make the make the call and then um get your get. Your result perform some assertion. There.

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Do you mean like postman.

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Postman, I don't know, that's my collection, you know.

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Yeah postman, so is it specifically for us?

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Is it something like.

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What the hell wait, what.

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This is the kind of open source.

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Kind of open source, but.

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His url is your hurdle.

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Oh hurl, upper okay.

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Basically, like a script like a script,.

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And then and then it's going to execute this thing, okay,.

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uh Yeah, no, no, actually that's another one after one way of doing it, but then um at least I think it's er. It's not that's very quite pretty hard to to write uh my in our place. What what I did was. Instead, uh I write so I I I write the the server in russ right in the backend address and then for every endpoint that I create in the backend.

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I create the equivalent uh equivalent function, uh query in node.js library for the front end right, so the front-end does not have to uh manu uh manually write the the the query uh by reading the documentation and all that the the backend. In that case me, I'm going to write the front-end library that maps the function in front-end javascript to the the back-end, and then I write the test as it just gestures.

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Yeah the packet does not have does not have a task uh test, no um yeah, it's yeah. I think it's a lot easier. This way, um and I do I do a full. uh What is it called? End-To-End testing like a create, create an account then try to log in try to change the account details, try to or do all that so yeah using the front-end library so this rim, first of all, it removes the work of the front end death from having to read the documentation.

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On the back end, I figure out what is what the end point needs right. What the endpoint returns the fro the backhand drive is going to uh you're going to maintain those second of all yeah. The at the end of the day, juan mata is that the front end works right, at least at least um I mean at least for this. For a company I mean as long as the the website is working.

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You know uh it is fine for them right, so yeah so yeah. I think it's, I think, yeah. I think it's uh kills two with one stone, something like that. Yeah.

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Yeah otherwise yeah, otherwise, I think yeah. I think it's going to be pretty hard to write a test for this for a weekend.

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Yeah yeah, I really are also testing the back the front end uh as well yeah because yeah, because in the beginning they they write the endpoint by themselves in.

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Right and there's going to be some mismatch, like though they thought that this thing is optional or it's actually not. uh I update the the the written the response and they forgot to update the response on the front end so yeah, so I decided I'm going to do that for them since yeah.

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Yeah so the different end, so different uses axios.

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So what I d, what I do is I create a bunch of function that maps each function, maps to a query, to a back-end query, so every cooling of yeah for the florida api so for every api in the back end, there's going to be a function, so they don't have to read the compression and then keep keep up with the backend.

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uh At this point, there's no recommend there's no documentation. uh The only documentation in quote-unquote recommendations that we have is a postman, uh but postman cannot convey optional right. I don't think so. You have to you have to add comment like oh this. By the way it is optional.

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Even then, it postman also cannot uh convey the written the the response right, so even even if postman is able to convey that they still have to manually transcribe the postman dot into the typescript code, which is I mean, that's double the word. I have to write the commentation and then they have to convert the recommendation back into touchscreen. Why not just write the touchscreen directly?

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I think that's better.

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Yeah, I'm curious to know what you guys do here us I have some project myself. It's not wet related. It can be anything but yeah.

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It doesn't have to be evaporated. If it's regretted.

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Most painful thing.

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I think if I'm going to do it alone, I don't think I'm going to do it because uh because it's a lot of work and especially right now, so I'm going to see especially right now, my in my company there's only two engineers me and the other guy and then there's an end generally.

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He doesn't really program he's mostly like a most it's like a cto, oh yeah, it's actually a cto, so it's not doesn't really go down. I think just with us. So there's only two of us.

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Yeah they still know how to go. I'm sure he knows to go but he's busy with cto stuff right. So there's only two for a programmer in the back end and the other programmer yeah. Both of us are carriers, actually the other guy is better than mina, but but he's on leaf because he got a hand injury so right now, I'm the only vacant developer.

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So yeah yeah, it's it's uh it's a lot of stress like especially when something like I said before us, then I'm I'm. The requirement says I have to pass excel and then do something something and then okay, let me look up uh excel library, oh okay, this there's an extra library, but it's not complete, but then then I have to do it by myself, so the pretty stressful. In that sense right I mean yeah yeah. That is not mature enough.

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I think I think if there's like enough competent developer, let's say: there's a five developer right. I think I think it's easier that will I because I can communicate with them. I can one of them can work on the you know, library, stuff, but right now I have to do all of them by myself right uh yeah. It doesn't it's a lot of work but yeah, but, like I said, if you have a team of rest developer, you should consider us because I think uh I think um rather the bright future than I think.

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uh If you don't have don't already have the uh the talents, then something like go if you, if you want performance right, I think I think the first thing that people use russ think of why or why you should have performance.

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I don't think that matters unless you are like google or something I mean for the most part, go is already good enough right for enough for 99 percent of what's the visit goes into good enough, so I think I would go with go if I want performance, but if I want something maintainable, some, not maintainable, something that people can easily pick up.

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I probably go for a touchscreen or something like that. Yeah I mean it's not the best, but I mean finding developer is hard enough. Finding us developers- I don't know we, we actually are an international company, we're not limited to asian, uh we are a remote company, but so so we are international company and- and we cannot find a developer right. So if you are limited to local manager company, I don't know how you can find them.

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I think it is hard night impossible. You basically have to teach every new person to write. Yes,.

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I actually think so yeah because.

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Like I said uh what um I rarely go back to the code that I wrote before because for the most part, unless it's a logic, error get which which happens, the code simply works, which is not the case in my experience in typescript because yeah because things can change the library got updated and then someone I updated an object or someone forgot to check a null value.

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But but it's but you know the type system got confused and then it passes the top script check and then we had a production and then someone has to go. Someone has to roll back and I'll do all that giant stuff, but so far yeah. So far so far,.

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And then yeah and then you get 100 comparative errors, but it's fine. You can fix them now right, instead of like when you're sleeping.

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Yeah, in that case, it's never but uh yeah. To be honest, I yeah, I don't think it's there. I wish yeah. I I don't know why I wish typescript have better type support, but it doesn't the the touch system there is pretty loose, it can easily break.

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uh I think maybe something like uh yeah scala is also have a good type system, but nobody uses it. I think it's even harder to find a scholar program, or maybe not I don't know yeah.

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Where is thing calling essing.

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Oh, is it? Is it that bad? I I have never encountered an issue, I think yeah.

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I mean I have something good, but I don't maybe may I think I think maybe yeah it makes them, but maybe I'm working high level enough that I don't see those kind of issues I don't know. I am.

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Okay, can you just block.

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uh Oh okay, okay, yeah.

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Is it just for final forward.

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Oh pretty cool so so you're. What you're, using wrestler.

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I think that's really cool, but.

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Yeah I, to be honest, I don't have much experience in other I mean I know on cursory level. Basically I read I I read some blog or something like that. um So yeah, I don't have like experience writing rocket, but, as you can see, there's not that many activity I mean the future. Is there.

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Oh, you mean like this yeah yeah. It's it's really nice. In my opinion, um I I don't.

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um I think uh yeah, I guess yeah, I think, there's a lot of boilerplate. I think that's one issue because I think okay for jason, it's simple right, jason. You can just do this, but for uh form from data.

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It gets pretty bad because you have to because it doesn't have this realization for that. You can.

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um But it it doesn't, I think it does not disrespect directly into your type right, or at least you have to write your own conversion from response effort. Sorry from from a response, no request into your pal into your from into your struct from that form data, and I have a code for it. uh Can I show it, but uh it's really it's pretty gnarly. It's uh we have to work with the uh oh. Actually I do have a problem.

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I had hired a problem with a async trade uh because because this thing is a really listening, async function and returns.

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When I was implementing the conversion from um the request into the form data, I encountered some issue with the async trade. I forgot what it was, but I I I couldn't fix it. So what did I do? Yeah.

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Something about essentia, that's not that's hard to deal with.

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Yeah yeah, I think I think it's another issue in passing. Right.

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There is yeah I I needed to use a trade, sorry, a crate for it rust essentially but yeah. It's pretty complicated. In my opinion,.

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Something yeah something something yeah you need to annotate this and then there's some caviar, like I don't know like something yeah, but then you have to learn all of this. I don't even understand the music.

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No yeah there's no example. Goddammit.

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uh I mean it's con, it's uh what is it? I think it's pretty easy to use. It's not that bad.

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Yeah once I mean this is all that you have to know mostly about exam and then the rest is just rust. Good right, I mean so far yeah so far I haven't encountered issues yet I mean async asynchronous singing stuff, but yeah, I think it's it doesn't. I don't think it gets in a way.

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uh So that's good enough for me.

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Missing um I said before missing open api. I think this is pretty important actually, especially because they're different and keep nagging to do this, but I don't want to manually I'm going to go crazy.

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Yeah, I'm not sure.

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Here here, this open api is very good.

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Yeah, if they implement this, I I I don't have anything to say it's good enough for me.

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Yeah because I mean yeah.

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Yeah, I think, sort of.

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Yeah, I I no no, no, not not for this, not for server. I think it's I don't know. I think it's pretty hard to use that.

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um Yeah but yeah, I think right now, right now, yeah um we are pretty lacking on uh uh about.

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Up uh like we don't have any, because we I just started, we just started the the back end. We haven't it's not material, it's not mature. Yet so many sort of.

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Helping tools is not there like, we don't really have logging, yet uh we don't really have I mean no.

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No, we haven't integrated with like uh amazon amazon bucket something. What is it called.

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Specifically for logging stuff.

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Yeah, you don't have, I mean you don't have time now, because they keep asking more future more future. I yeah I mean some somewhere to store the lock right, so we can go back with.

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I mean whatever about right now right now. I don't have time, I'm the only one working right now, so I don't have time to do this stuff and they, where is it sentry as a sentry.

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Is it something that you install locally.

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Yeah I, like his blood, faster.

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They think it's not this right. This one.

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Century I configure sentry.

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Bro, this is really complicated.

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Writing. Blog is actually really tough time consuming, but I don't know how this guy does it.

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Yeah but yeah yeah there's a lot of things to read about there's a lot of things to to know. Yeah.

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How do I stop stop? Stop.

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That's all for me thanks guys.

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Really um but century yes century is hiring rasta.

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Applicants from other countries- I don't.

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Yeah no problem, thank you guys.