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Chong Thien Pow (thienpow) sharing about rust frontend

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Can you start sharing your, can you? Can you start sharing your slides first.

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You mean the linga.

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Yeah, so not the link, you can start just screen sharing or slack on discord.

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Oh, not the link, I mean the youtube. No, you share your screen with the slides on discord, discord button there you can press the screen share on the bottom.

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Heading this chord.

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uh You mean, I click again.

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uh Yeah, I just don't know you press the oh wait, you're sharing because.

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I'm sharing the.

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All right again.

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Let me just record my stream.

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Let me see if I can stop and start again.

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Make sure I start msc, let me ask.

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If they haven't come in yet maybe give us some time for them to come in so I'll start. I won't share your screen first I'll start by currently I'm sharing the ras malaysia so I'll announce first on the channels.

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Let me start so well welcome to russ, welcome to russ malaysia and meet up september today. uh Tiempo will be giving us a talk about uh about the front ends, but this time right now, there's a new thing that we have here is that we have now have the logo you see. Now we have. We have a new logo from this contributed by uh woolly from engineers. Mi yeah so should contribute this logo and this inner logo.

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So now I'll be using this logo for russ, malaysia and yeah. So we can let now we can let the import to start.

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I go to my screen.

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Okay, um this is the qr code to this document. You can just scan and then go to this link or I will copy and then share the discord channel stop over here.

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Okay: um okay, I'm not an expert in how to say last ui framework yet, but I have started quite some time as a hobby project. I have done something also show the code.

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And this is the sample I have done in rush sicamo framework.

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And this is quite nice framework. You can do a lot of things.

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But all this animation and components is not available. I did it all myself uh before going into the this source code. We look into the reference that I checked. Always you can go to this link.

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Then you see there's a full list of existing wsm ui framework. Like you see sauron dominator, I did talk about dominator last time and then sicamo diosus moon zone, percy ecoy ice and then this one we can.

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Can see yeah, okay,.

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This is the existing one. The like you is very famous seed, this dominator last time. I did talk about this and then sicamo.

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This one will be the focus today and then the asus monsoon and then the other one is outdated or nobody update some something like that. If you go into.

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uh This one is, you know this one is come on.

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Sorry, sorry, this one I copy and paste the wrong one. They also sit.

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This one should be.

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You can see the there are some.

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Library or some demo, but they don't have a comprehensive demo, yet their their website.

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Also done with their own.

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Camaros this one.

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At least fine, this this website also done with sycamore.

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Like this, one.

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But their website is not better than my my my code and implementation on what on their technology this one like this one, uh my the the thing I I did with sicamo.

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So you will see uh not.

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A bad implementation of sicamo sample cod letter, you will see and then like this one is you. What am I doing.

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uh Here got a lot of samples for you.

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Here got a lot of sample for you project. Also, you can see.

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It is not actually working.

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You can, if you are interested, you can look into their code.

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It's all available in the list. I have shortlisted this sikka mo use it justice. This is the awesome list.

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And then this is the extra thing that we will talk about later in a bit. Okay, uh in my opinion,.

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Are we ready yet in using rus wsm ui framework? I think yes, like company website e-commerce data visualization or actually every app, also possible like this one I can do from scratch. I don't need ui components.

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I just do all by myself and then it's actually possible. You can do. Oh.

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I I use the framework, but I don't need the ui components like if you are using react, js right. Usually people will look for like material ui, something like that right method.

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uh Yeah, I built the ui components from ground up using the framework using the the sycamore framework it it's quite easy like if you you like the css, because the ui components are actually mostly dealing with css only and then why it is not possible to use now or not recommended to use uh wsmui framework. Now is that if you are trying to build a crypto project, a lot of the js librarian uh a lot of those crypto startups, they don't build any library in any other language.

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Are the only build js library only so you will have a lot of headlight if you try to port over.

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Yeah it works, but you will have a lot of headache like even though possible. Might I say it's not easy to plug in? You will have a lot of headache because the library is huge.

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If you try to use the librarian there may be you, you might spend a tons of hours trying to do the port in also, if you have a very short project timeline.

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And then no rust ready cloud server like netlify or those they know deploy something like that. Those are very super efficient for you to deploy project. If you try to build a rush project, you basically have to.

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Deploy your own server, your virtual machine, vpc, your your cloud server.

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And then, if you uh like, when you are a react, js developer, let's say: if currently you are a reactor developer, you don't build your ui components on your owner and you rely a lot of ui components.

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Then it will be hard for you to start with rust because they don't have any ui component library right now and then also the animation.

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You basically have to do from scratch on your own css like this one, the the animation I do actually. Oh, I do from scratch on the css.

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Okay, okay from here, okay, why?

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I think siccamo is currently better than deosus or you, and why these three are top three la the reason for sikamo is building, is frp faster and then doom, not v, dome, not virtual, also faster, and then it has a sibling project pursues this one. This one is very interesting: it's like next js, something like that.

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huh Signal pro signal signal, the the for state management.

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Oh yes, yes, yes, there are the exactly the same. Frp.

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Dominator is frp right and then c comma also f, rp. Okay, this one is two.

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And the frp.

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uh Of sycamore is actually very similar to solid js.

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If you look into solid js.

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Something like that create signal and then.

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Really similar to this, uh the the sicamo one, quite user, friendly.

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And then I want to talk about this one, the purchase.

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Okay, this is the purchase p-e-r-s-e-u s first use is the sibling project of uh sicamo, and you see.

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It is using the camola.

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And it is the ss server side rendering.

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Like the next.js.

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And then another project that is very interesting now is deal seuss and you you, I actually don't really recommend if you really like, you should look into this too and see camo and justice, and this is uh for react.js fenza.

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If you love react, they have a lot of similarity and they also have something like this one mobile desktop in the roadmap.

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The desktop one they are currently integrating with kauri.

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The the mag get easy under the project, so you don't need to come to taori and then um integrate your own for for your own project like if you want to integrate taoli with sycamore, you have to do it by yourself, configure all the things from scratch.

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Okay and then performance, okay, just now we talked about the c caramel is faster than you. You come to this slide number six number six, there's a link over here cross set.

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Okay, this is the crowd set.

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If you look into this like wasan, benjamin is actually super fast can see.

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From left to right, the the the best performance like the fastest is actually vanilla, js, and then this one is the fastest and then, from here increment, getting slower, see this one is the solid js solid? Yes, it's over here.

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And then we scroll over and then you will see search okay.

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This is not the letters. The letters should be beta. Five, okay secamo is a bit slower than dominator and then shikamo shikamo and then set you see, cicamo even faster than set.

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Nice lower than view.

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Slower than real and then faster than player,.

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And then here start to you, you can start to see red orange are all these are not really good performance already, let's see react.

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And then uh u is here, is it orange all these are slower performance angular, you see, got red one, not good, and then.

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You see react even behind, so if you really want to compare right now, sika mo is much better than diosus. And u.

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But if you talk about the fastest ui framework, js is still winning.

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Wsm is still losing okay and then come to see my code with secamo. You can go to this manga.

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I I open source this and this one I did it quite long ago. So I'm not really really remember what I did quite long ago. Seven, seven months.

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Seven months ago, just now, I update the readme uh this project. You will need rush trung and then that sassa, okay.

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Let's say if you have already downloaded the code, what you need to do is just transfer, then it will be started and then you can go to the project. Localhost nine.

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Thousand like what are trunk for and like the others,.

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Can you please explain like what uh what like trunk four.

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You show three things like rust. We know then there's trunk and then there's the other one.

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This is a rust trunk and then last yes, but.

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Why don't you use the grass.

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uh Because this one, uh how to say it, it doesn't really use in the project, but it helps the trunk to compound when I caught right. I don't really look into that sss at all. It did it's just a.

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Run time to help the trunk to compile the the scss I have done into into the shorter version.

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And then see, oh this one right.

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If you look into the saucer, the the css is compiled by the trunk, the trunk.

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Is used using webpack.

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Correct correct trunk is like a webpack.

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Yeah see configure.

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And then asset.

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Help zoom in a bit.

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Okay, cssr s, css see it recommend to use the official.sass. So so I have to use this one. If you have other sss runtime, you can install or sola, but this one is most updated.

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Okay: let's talk about the code uh slide number. Okay, a lot thing in the.

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The code? Okay, you see the structure, I I do. Let's look into the structure. First, uh the project project structure, the source and then main man is the entry point. Okay, man, rs.

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And this one is the dependency and then trunk see I point the the trunk can help you to create the distributed version. It is all compiled over here, see css wsm.

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And then you look into the trunk public url address over here can configure oh and then also this one index.html.

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This is the the key, the different.

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For the trunk you see, I configure the directory for scss for the trunk to look into.

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Let's say I configure it to point to www and then scss www.css over here see I need to find to the index the first one then from here I use. Then everything is used inside over here yeah next.

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Okay, go back to this one! Oh okay! I think that's all!

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Let's go into the main rs! Okay,.

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Let's say if you want to include the subfolder, you encode like this: what components inside here also I put the mod rs and then inside here I I need to encode this file like from the mod and click this one. If you are familiar with rust already, this one is the basic then go back to the main.

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This is the entry point and then render view this. One is my statler, my store data store.

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The initialize function for the stack my app step is having dark mode background, inner with inner height, because the library, the sycamore framework, doesn't come with detecting the inner width and inner height. So I have to use this to detect and then assign it to the to the context to the to the abstainer.

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This is the way I do it and then okay, let's look into the background. This is the the the html.

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The the view is actually something like a div wrapper, something like that, but it is a component in rusla, and this is the context for you to pass in the the step.

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The signal this is a signal that the contacts then background you see, I how how I use the abstract.

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I use context abstract something like that and then from here I can call the app stat background and then get say.

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The store background this one right when, when initialized from the main, I got call initializer initialize over here, go in and then from here I load it if I have stopped before, if not stop before. I just use this one first line, something like that: the asset, this one is the image I set image.

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Yes, on the the background cross, this one.

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Okay, uh go back to initialize and then initialize below is the struct.

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This is the statler. This one is the toggle dartmouth, okay,.

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If you are familiar with uh something like redux right, they have the reducer something like that right, but this one is different: don't have a complicated.

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Step management, the the good thing of frp designer everything.

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It's accessible immediately.

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Okay, they said this one toggle right, toggle, light mode, mod. Okay, this one is the toggle.

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Let's say I go to the toggle patch just now. I go to the profile right profile and then there's an index index inside the preference preference part.

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Okay, if you look into the toggle dart mod, this one, you see on click, input checkbox.

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If you are familiar with the html, this one label tag one right, input, tag and then check cut. I get the stat from the app step, how how I get from it here. I declare I I can get the store from here and then.

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Is there like reactive, like when the app state changed, the check also changed.

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Yes, yes, it is reactive, you see when I click right. I toggle my right at toggle and then I will set log. I will set it this. One self.mod means this one abstract the dark magma I set it now and then also if I want to store it at the local storage right.

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I return a small util over here. I also store it into the local store right now you see this one website, local storage, all right, then, if we have the storage object, then we recall the storage set item. This one is the local storage set item.

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I pass in the set local storage, so I am not only can remember the the dartmouth setting.

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This one also can remember so, if I refresh, I just remember, if I set to light mode refresh, let's remember.

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So it's reactive everything very fast.

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So you can see uh the design right is really economica. Yeah everything is like html and then, when you do the step management right, everything is very straightforward.

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You just create the function and then.

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You create the abstract, then you can do the reactive, signaling, step management.

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Okay right now, this is the basic.

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Thing I I haven't talked about rocking routing, okay, go back to man and then go to index just now. We talk about the background right and then talk toggle. Now we come to the routing, see the router you can have history also and then view this. One is the thing I I implement myself. You see this one.

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This is the nice effect.

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I have on the slide in slide out when, when you are changing the patcher like this one.

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See this one slide in slide up light in slide up.

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The chord is over here.

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Let's see I I, then you can do a thing. Also, you can do your own timing.

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Then this is the animation to do. The is in us is out.

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When you click on the home at the.

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Left bar- let's say over here on the home bible.

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This is the process caller, where I show you the navbar component. First bar.

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See this is the home.

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Of in action- oh it's over here and then.

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And then index go.

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Let's say if you have a javascript right.

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You can do like this also, this is the trick you can put in the script and then you put in the javascript over here.

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So it's really convenient. Let's say this one. I have the.

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This one to detect the pwa program progressive web see install install it.

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Okay, routing is this one and then component.

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Let's say we look into a very simple component.

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Something like that, this one, uh you can create a component like this super simple one that says.

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Filter then you just call include the footer like that. Let's say, if I have a footer over here, see put the content filter just like that.

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Who is laughing.

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Okay and then, if you want to look into a super complicated component, I have a very nice component created this one toss, the first component.

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You can spend some time to look into it. The task component.

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I have a really good animation, also for the first component.

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And now here is the component. Okay, let's say I click. Okay, this is the toss component. I have slide in animation and then you can cross it like up something like that then over here. This one also can slide up.

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This one is the complicated one.

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The easier one, the search bar okay, you create the component like this, and then you include this one. Add another pressure.

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Animation, you don't do the animation from from the wrestler you just utilize, the css, for example.

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This task right. I have all the animation and the scss.

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This is the animation it's in is up you just utilize, css to the animation.

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The transformation toss up.

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All these are the animation yes css. Also the css today is getting much better. Even all the forms are you don't really need to code in javascript already you just use css also can do forms, so you can simplify a lot of code in html and js.

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Like I would like to.

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Like introduce tiempo, because just how few.

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Like he previously gave a talk on friday and also but last night was on russ dominator, so this time, mainly on camera,.

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I'm actually much better at the back-end. From my previous I mean the back end in russia for for my rush experience, I'm actually much better at the back end, uh like the back end, I have done distributed, chat back end using tonic. This one is the tonic framework in rush and then reduce using proceed. My x series channel- and then this one I also did esport mini dot com. This one is launched already and you can actually go to the website.

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I use tonic also grpc um for ui framework in wsm. I'm actually uh testing out only as a hobby, and I have done this project. You can look into it.

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Then, to continue just now for step management. Actually, just now we talked about the app stat already right. That one is the stack management, then local storage, a string database by db. You can look into this.

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Database using this one rescue.

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Okay, then jason happy.

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Api is over here: okay using the reg sum.

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It's like the quest, the the the the other library again then.

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Request doesn't.

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Work for request doesn't work for one.

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The there's, a library called iq, the blue est, that is.

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Yeah yeah yeah. I think that one also, but this one is more uh tested la because the the developer did it, especially for wasm.

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Then at the anna, whether uh we really want to dive into awesome ui library right now, although I say yes, yes, yes, a lot of reason, but if you look into the js world right now, right, like the they know fresh, it's super cool.

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You can look into this one.

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Super super super easy to start with, and then I have a sample.

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You can look into this chord also just using they know fresh.

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Two months ago, it's super super easy to do.

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From from code to deployer, everything is like.

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Seamlessly they have to make it super easy and then ban is the replacement for know.

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So if you say say goodbye to dino.

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Bun is a lot faster.

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You can look into ban also, so the the js is getting much better and much better. So it's really hard for us to catch up the whole ecosystem.

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If you, if you look into the js ecosystem involvement.

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Maybe right now, if you do it for hobby, I think yes, la everything is possible and actually really fun. Also, you can just look into my code, the the manga and then I think, that's all today.

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Does anyone have any questions.

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um If you, if you have uh when you are playing with this one and the source code, is open source, if you have any question you can actually connect with me like, I am on the discord. Also, ah this one.

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Couple of questions so.

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How do you like? Is there anything to help debugging.

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Like like because like we all have the view tools to debug and they react, I think there's also a react. Debugging or something and you'll also have something like that.

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It's actually built in ma for rush. You see, uh let's say this one. I make a bug.

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See immediately, it show you the problem right now. Okay, this is the good thing. If you build in russia, it's much better than debugging. This.

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So you don't like go and go to the js and then press like invoke a debugger and then debug.

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No, no, no! You just debug from here.

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When you compile.

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Just debug the russia.

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So you don't have to need to like debug on runtime.

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No need if you want to look into the developer tools. You just look over here, console.

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So there's no like source map or.

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uh What's your main source map housemate.

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That's the javascript, I think javascript and css. Sometimes the source map like to map the map, the code map, the css part or the javascript part to the original source code.

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Because the compiled rasama is already a binary lima, so, instead of you com, you you debug, the binary. Do the source map debugging?

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You are debugging directly on the rush already here you get one before it compile before before you deploy you compile it, and then you debug already like just now. If you, if you have a bug over here,.

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Won't there be some kind of runtime issue where you can't check on control time.

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No, you don't. You, don't have runtime issue already.

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I mean there's like some parts where you put in string and then you unwrap okay, let's say I'm wrapped, then there's value there and then eat like panic. What happened in that case.

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But then, when you.

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Just do from from the code over here you if you want to debug, you just put put your console.log.

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Yeah you do the console.log over here yeah.

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Inside the code away I'll go for awesome right now,.

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Did someone else ask a question.

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Oh, maybe I want to ask: if is there any like.

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Can you speak speak louder? I can't can't really hear you.

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Can you hear me no.

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Okay, so I wonder: is there any um like how's your experience on um hot reload um or reload ui, because you know in react when you save a file it just it just reload the um ui in the website yeah this. What's this.

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Okay, I'll show you.

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I I know you, you are using a trunk right, but I have tried that once, but it's still very slow for me to.

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Yeah, it's not as fast as the js hotly load. It is actually much slower.

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Not really really slow, okay, I'll just show you the example.

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Let's say this: one.

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Bible image here is home.

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I see reloaded because you you need to compound the rush, because js is not compound when, when, when you.

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When you build interest, they just throw the js into it. They just minify the js only but for russia they need to compile the russ code into the wsm. Like binary, you see this one.

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So so you you need to wait a bit. So so, when it compound see this one, but.

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For the normal rust there's some tricks to like speed up the compilation. Time like using a dynamic, dynamic.

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Yeah I was, I was about to ask that.

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So far the trunk doesn't have you you need to play with it. It's not really slow ma you. If you look at it when I suffer it's almost like a few seconds only.

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It's not immediate.

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It's not immediate, this is the problem, see.

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So, like you do like any like dynamic library thing that can speed up the linking time.

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Well, so far, I I don't really know anything.

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Do you do you know any available.

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Why I always ask you.

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So far, I think no because when I joined the um sycamore group I actually I'm actually one of the most active contributor to the example.

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From from the very very first example, see.

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So far I don't really know any enhancement. Yet now.

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uh How how is i18n for cisco mo.

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I I beg your father.

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uh I internationalization.

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Oh, no, that one depends on your your your your own coding, already the library so.

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You don't have like something like uh remember: russ have some internationalization library called like.

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Yeah yeah yeah: you have to use those.

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So you are using those.

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No, I am not using.

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I I haven't caught my own also because I haven't done any production project in rush ui.

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As I said earlier, I'm just as a hobby playing with it. You see my previous project I deal with set for ui react for ui only back end, I'm using rust.

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Back end also using rust.

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So like front end still like not not very fast for development, but the end is still okay.

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Yeah back in is best line actually back. End is super nice to use rust already and then front end. As I said, because a lot of time you need the ui component or animation or nicer library.

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Okay, also, the js is actually really faster than wasm right now, but.

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How come how come you know like the there's this? What is it called the there's, a drawing tool called.

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Pigma yeah, but then they rewrite theirs in rust. I think it's in rust. It wasn't, then it made it faster.

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There's a website called sigma.

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Yeah yeah, that's why I said if you, if you are doing data visualization like visualization things, are, if you build in vasama, it's actually much faster than js, but you have to build everything on your own. The figma do it on their own. They don't open source the the library for drawing you see, there's no library available yet. But if you look into js the body library for drawing and there's a lot tons of it, you get what I mean.

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So this is the reason also.

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Mainly, your main point is just no ui components.

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Ui components or js libraries, something like that or animations, but if you are able to write your own animation, your own drawing tools are for visualization or chart or things in vassar. It's actually much better if you can build la if the, but usually this kind of requirement only done by those startups like figma, that they have the uh vision and- and they have the funding to do it now. But if you try to get a freelance project or any project, usually all the boss, there one speed ma.

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They want short time to finish to launch so how you can do it on your own. You cannot run right.

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Oh there's also: what is that called.

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M5 stick c m5, thick plus, or this ttgo t display board I'm using mostly esp32, because speed by five and bluetooth don't get me wrong. I'm still using arduino boards, I'm a school teacher and I teach young 10 years old students how to use arduino uno, and yes, I made blinking led project more than 1000 times.

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One day I will be blind. Okay, let's go back to the subject. This device is special because it has this beautiful.

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Which looks beautiful, it is a very easy to read and best for.

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I I still had some question, but I don't remember I think I don't remember what was it again like? Let's say uh I just don't like when what happens when you panic, like.

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Like you unwrap something that will panic, usually rust, panics right, but what happens in the ui.

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That's how you do the console.log now just now I say so long see if I have the console.

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See you put the console on.

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Oh yeah, but like what happens when I need panic, but before you console lot, then you you'll get a panic already then like what? What do you do.

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I haven't made such problem.

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I saw you have so many areas, so you haven't get a single panic.

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This is the good thing if you build in russia, because a lot of problem is already fixed when you compile it.

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You you're hardly having a panic you the most. Is you you, you have a wrong data, something like that. That's why you need to do console.

A

Then can you get something at dbg macro.

B

What is the bg method.

A

You rush have a macro called dbg right and then allows you to easily print out a value.

A

E

A

E

Do that? Because it will just print the std out instead of the console.

B

Yeah, it will be in here long if you do.

B

It will be in the debug console of your ide.

A

Oh that prints to the standard output- it's not like, but you run it on the browser like how are we printing here.

B

If you run it on the browser, then you do the console log. This one, the console log yeah.

A

I understand but like the dbg is on the normal rus.

B

If, if nobody lost, then it will be showing at the ide debug console.

A

Oh so weird, but the code is executed on browser like how he shows up here what he does.

A

Like when your normal normal code, when you execute run the dbg, you right shows up on the standard area or similar point adding standard error, but on browser you don't have standard error right. The code is executed on browser. It's not executed on the type here.

B

Correct correct, correct.

B

I'm not sure I haven't tried dbg on on this project. I I'm not sure.

A

Yeah, because the one like when your debug is like very you, I think it's very useful.

A

I don't know how it looks like.

A

But how's the mobile integration like how was the support for mobile.

B

Oh this one just now the slide like. Is it this one? There's a cargo mobile this one.

B

Can you see my screen yeah this one cargo mobile cargo, mobile.

A

So it works on your project.

B

No, I have one try. Oh you have to integrate it on your own yeah. I.

E

Think it's completely different because it looks like it just. It makes a native app instead of like a web.

B

uh It it's a project that will create the native f with a red view. Then you have to.

B

Cut the web viewer to to point to your local host law, the the the the patcher, because uh your this, your compile code, is actually a html. Only right.

B

So the web will call this one called the html.

B

B

You know those js right.

B

Js also have similar idea uh what they call lydia.

A

But also the ergonomic is not as good as the js library is it like forces, camo and.

B

Not really, if you are familiar already right, like this one, the secamo after you're familiar already, you actually love it because thing you compower is very nice already you, you won't really have a lot of hidden bugs.

B

If you caught in jsr you, you will have a lot of weird bugs.

B

You have to find it quite a few hours and then oh, this is a silly bug, the typo something like that, but in russia, no such thing.

D

A

Is there like a type css thing like you, you get to like integrate the html, and uh now you get to integrate the html and the js like the script part using always I fully type, but is there a type css part like checked by a compiler.

B

A

B

No, that one is depends on the css runtime, the the one I recommend to install this one. It doesn't, it doesn't tickle, but I think if you install the c css extension scss.

B

Some of the some of it uh very good one if you eh css lean something like this will tell you the problem. If you want, you just use the extension instead of uh relying on trunk or something like that, you get what I mean you rely on the ide.

D

A

So, thank you simple. Thank you for the talk.

B

Amazing, thank you.

A

Yeah so, and you will see the like, you see you're like next. Two months later, there will be in the rest, meetup.

B

A

Thank you, you uploaded the slide right. You have uploaded yeah.

B

Yeah yeah I put in the this one the rust stock.

A

Yeah and then I'll upload it to the rust meet up as well.

B

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A

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Stop streaming.