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A
Just
to
recap,
the
master
plan
purpose
and
vision.
The
Salt
Lake
City
Council
gave
us
three
guiding
purposes
and
the
first
one
is
to
guide
the
preservation
and
management
of
the
cemetery.
The
second
is
to
expand
access
to
and
enhance
appropriate
uses
of
the
cemetery
as
a
multi-use
facility,
and
the
third
is
to
address
the
future
financial
sustainability
of
the
cemetery.
This
exhaustive
review
of
the
cemetery
represents
twenty
seven
million
dollars
in
recommended
upgrades
and
the
team
identified
a
phasing
approach
to
meet
these
needs
and
also
to
accomplish
council
goals.
A
B
Master
plan
purpose
number
one
guide
and
preserved
the
management
of
the
cemetery.
These
are
the
recommendations
for
the
preservation
to
apply
for
the
National
Register
historic
places
to
develop
a
preservation
management
plan
to
conduct
historic
documentation
and
investigation
to
have
the
cemetery
and
Arboretum
to
maintain
the
wildlife
habitat.
C
Continuing
with
the
preservation
and
management
of
the
cemetery
are
the
capital
asset
renewal
of
the
roadways,
and
these
include
repairing
critical
roadways
and
storm
drainage
and
then
also
looking
to
restrict
vehicle
hack
access
on
low
priority
roadways.
So
the
roadway
repair
is
broken
down
into
six
segments
of
work,
although
still
large
but
fundable
in
they
total
12.5
million
of
the
27
million.
The
cemetery
roads
already
function
as
a
multi-use
facility
with
the
space
shared
by
pedestrians,
bicyclists
and
vehicles.
C
So
one
of
the
things
when
we
analyze
the
roadways
51%
are
in
poor
condition,
38%
in
fair
condition
and
only
11%
were
considered
average.
Another
thing
we
looked
at
is
current
use
and
function.
So
what
are
the
critical
roads
for
the
community
and
maintenance
and
also
level
of
use?
And
this
helped
develop
a
street
hierarchy
to
inform
phasing?
What
you
see
in
red
and
orange
and
the
diagram
are
really
phase
one
or
priority
one
roads
for
repair,
and
they
are
the
most
important
for
access
as
well
as
greatest
need.
C
C
The
second
master
plan
purpose
includes
in
expanding
the
access
to
and
enhancing
appropriate
uses
of,
the
cemetery
as
a
multi-use
facility.
Those
recommendations
include
enhancing
and
developing
the
opportunities
for
walking,
cycling
and
other
active
transportation.
Developing
the
historic
interpretation
potential,
cultivating
friends
and
partners
of
the
cemetery,
adding
Columbarium
walls
and
finding
ways
to
activate
the
cemetery.
The
list
to
the
right
include
the
activities
that
the
community
felt
were
appropriate
in
this
cemetery
and
really
fit
with
the
character.
C
The
plan-
one
thing
to
note
is
that
the
cemetery
is
entirely
plaited
gravesites,
with
the
exception
of
the
sexton
grounds
and
the
roads.
So
what
you
see
in
the
enhancement
plan
are
proposed
improvements
aligning
with
those
two
spaces,
so
the
proposed
enhancements
reflect
community
priorities,
and
that
is
historic,
interpretation
and
pedestrian
amenities
are
shown
in
green
pedestrian
and
active
transportation.
Improvements
are
shown
in
blue
locations
for
Columbarium
to
maintain
an
active
cemetery
and
enhance
connections
to
the
surrounding
neighborhoods
in
open
space.
C
The
site
that
provides
the
greatest
opportunity
for
creating
a
multi-use
site
is
the
building
and
grounds
around
the
sexton.
The
sexton
facility,
it's
a
little
bit
over
two
acres,
and
this
is
a
concept
just
to
show
what's
potential
is
the
redevelopment
of
the
grounds
has
shown
includes
a
formal
gathering
space
and
a
memorialization
opportunity.
A
Okay
master
plan
purpose
number
three
is
to
address
the
future
financial
sustainability
of
the
cemetery,
and
this
is
broken
up
into
two
parts.
The
first
part
here
is
ongoing
operations
and
maintenance
funding,
and
there
were
four
recommendations
that
came
out
of
the
master
plan:
the
Columbarium
niche
walls,
the
two
raised,
opening
and
closing
fees
to
raise
stone,
monitoring
fees
and
to
establish
a
perpetual
care
fund
in
the
middle
of
the
on
the
graph
there.
It
shows.
Current
expenses
are
1.4
million
dollars
annually
that
the
cemetery
spends.
A
The
blue
and
green
graph
are
current
and
potential
revenues,
so
the
blue
being
existing
revenues.
The
next
lighter
blue
is
using
perpetual
care
option
three
and
then
the
light
blue
and
the
green
are
increases
in
fees
to
the
revenue.
I
wanted
to
just
mention
the
three
options
for
the
perpetual
care.
The
first
is
a
one-time
twenty
million
dollar
bulk
payment,
and
this
would
be
put
into
an
account
that
come
with
the
interest
covering
operating
expenses
up
to
$1,000,000
per
year,
assuming
that
the
interest
rate
in
the
account
is
5%.
A
The
second
piece
of
this
is
how
do
we
fund
the
capital
asset
renewal
and
the
capital
improvement
funding,
and
there
were
three
recommendations
that
came
out
of
the
master
plan.
The
first
one
is
to
create
a
cemetery
district
and
if
a
cemetery
district
were
to
be
created
and
if
salt
lake
city
were
to
enact
a
tax
rate,
that
is
the
lowest
of
any
comparable
cemetery
maintenance
district
that
were
reviewed,
it
would
result
in
an
annual
revenue
of
eight
hundred
and
twenty
nine
thousand
seven
hundred
and
eight
dollars
for
the
cemetery
district.
A
This
option
is
feasible
and
it
would
result
in
costs
being
spread
throughout
the
population
with
potential
of
a
moderate
amount
of
annual
revenue.
The
cons
to
this
is
the
creation
of
a
local
district
is
a
significant
effort
and
it
could
result
in
the
loss
of
direct
or
would
result
in
the
loss
of
direct
governance
of
the
cemetery.
The
second
option
is
a
monthly
Park
Cemetery
fee
and
the
pros
to
this.
Several
communities
in
Utah
do
charge
monthly
fees
for
Parks
and
Recreation
maintenance,
including
Harriman
City.
A
It
would
provide
a
steady
stream
of
revenue
that
would
grow
each
year
based
on
the
number
of
residential
units
in
the
city,
and
it
also
could
be
used
for
operations.
So
if,
if
a
resident
was
charged
two
to
five
dollars,
it
would
bring
in
1.9
to
four
point
nine
million
dollars
in
the
first
year.
The
cons
is
that
the
city
would
need
to
do.
An
analysis
to
justify
the
fee
charged
is
reflective
of
its
needs
to
cover
costs
of
city
parks
and
open
space
maintenance,
so
the
whole
department,
isten.
D
E
G
G
G
D
A
Last
option
which
everybody's
familiar
here
with
is
the
general
obligation
bond
and
it's
the
lowest
cost
form
of
borrowing.
It
would
be
a
new
source
of
revenues.
The
cons
is
that
it
could
lack
voter
appeal.
It
must
levy
property
tax
on
all
the
property.
It's
not
viable
for
operations
or
maintenance
expenses.
A
So
in
your
packet,
you
do
have
the
10-year
implementation
plan,
but
we
just
wanted
to
highlight
in
the
first
two
years
the
implementation
plan
on
the
left.
There
is
the
goals
that
we'd
be
addressing
and
the
tasks
that
we
will
be
looking
at
in
the
next
one
to
two
years
and
the
costs
associated
with
those
I
just
like
to
highlight
that
we
are
currently
looking
at
applying
for
the
National
Register
of
Historic
Places.
A
We've
also
put
in
three
CIPS
for
the
cemetery
this
year
for
the
road
repairs,
wall,
repairs
and
the
beautification
of
the
soil
storage
area,
and
we
are
currently
working
on
upgrades
to
our
website
to
improve
the
constituent
knowledge
of
the
cemetery
what's
going
on
there.
So
that
is
our
attempt
at
being
a
short
presentation
on
the
master
plan
and
we're
happy
to
answer
more
questions.
We
have
some
folks
here
that
can
help
us
with
that
council
members.
E
B
C
B
We're
we're
kind
of
we
stand
alone
because
we're
so
big
like
I,
say
Ogden's,
50,
acres,
most
of
your
I
would
say:
independent
or
private
cemeteries
are
anywhere
from
50,
60
acres,
so
I
think
you
know
when
we
do
it,
we
do
have
to
go
outside
of
the
state
to
get
anything.
That's
close
to
what
our
cemetery
is,
which
is
kind
of
a
you
know,
it's
kind
of
a
neat
thing
and
makes
us
original,
but
I
would.
C
B
Looking
you
know,
if
you
look
back
at
you,
know
the
New
York
cemeteries,
the
ones
on
the
East
Coast
that
were
established
back
then
they're
running
into
the
same
issue,
where
they're
running
out
of
space
and
they're
trying
to
generate
revenue
and
trying
to
keep
going
with
being
a
municipal
cemetery.
So
in.
I
C
E
And
because
I'm
wondering
just
how,
in
other
state
I
don't
know
if
there
are
other
set
and
City
summit
city
manage
cemeteries
that
are
full
and
how
they
continue
to
fund
because
they're,
if
they're
not
receiving
any
any
additional
barrier
fees
or
any
burial
fees
or
any
income,
or
anything
like
that
like?
How
are
they
funded,
typically
funded
as
parks,
or
are
they
when.
E
A
E
A
So
they
would
be
surviving
off
of
that
interest
for
years
to
come,
and
so
that
is,
that
is
a
great
way
to
pay
for
it.
A
lot
of
cement,
city
cemeteries,
haven't
done
that
and
so
they're
struggling
just
like
we
are,
but
that
is
the
intent,
the
original
intent
it's
just
for
the
Salt
Lake
City
Cemetery.
Those
funds
went
into
the
general
fund
I.
B
Got
nine
hundred
graves
left
to
sell
at
150
sellable
graves
a
year
will
be
sold
out
of
graves
in
about
five
years.
That
being
said,
we
have
24,000
pre-sold
graves
not
yet
used
if
a
percentage
of
those
go
double
deep,
you're
looking
at
an
shil
of
60,000,
more
burials
to
do
it
400
burials
a
year,
you're.
G
B
At
and
about
80
years
with
a
burial,
so
you
will
have
the
revenue
for
the
opening
and
closing
of
those
graves
come
in.
But
you
will
not
have
the
revenue
for
the
cell
of
the
grave
and
that's
where
we're
gonna
see
a
decrease
in
the
revenue
that's
generated
by
the
cemetery
ad,
the
cell
of
grave.
So
in
about
five
years,
we'll
be
out
of
graves
but,
like
I
said,
we'll
be
burying
people
in
the
next
hundred
years.
But
you
know
on
in
family
plots
that
are
pre-purchase
right.
E
B
That's
that
would
extend
the
life
of
the
sellable
grave
right.
Now
we
have
no
common
bury
and
by
doing
the
Columbarium
we
would
extend
the
sellable
grave
spaces
for
many
years
to
come.
That
would
generate
perpetual
care
and
the
opening
closing
each
time
we
did
a
columbarium
bear
burial.
So
that's
the
we
were
looking
to
extend
the
life
of
the
cemetery
and
that
would
bring
revenue
in
yes,.
B
A
E
A
D
A
I
J
G
D
G
D
I'll
assume
silence
to
be
okay,
that
we're
good
to
go
ahead
with
us
and
we
would
like
to
provide
feedback
on
the
proposed
funding
amounts
and
sources
so
right.
That
is
a
follow
up,
that
we
would
love
to
schedule
this
for
a
final
approval
and
also
to
schedule
a
conversation
when
you're
ready
to
about
the
potential
for
a
monthly
parks
fee
that
could
address
ongoing
needs
at
the
cemetery
as
well
as
other
parks
did
I
miss
anything
council
members,
council,
member
councilmember
Wharton
was
asking
about
other
city
models.
D
It
sounds
like
you
have
explored
that,
but
perhaps
when
we
get,
we
scheduled
that
follow-up
discussion
you
can
bring
to
us
some
of
the
multi
revenue
models,
multi-stream
revenue
models
that
you
found
in
other
cities
to
help
contextualize
that
I
love
the
cemetery
I'm,
so
glad
to
hear
that
I'm
in
the
majority
of
people
who
go
there
for
nature
and
I
appreciate
that
how
the
topography
creates
such
a
solitary
environment
really
so
this
is.
This
is
wonderful
and
I
know
councilmember
Penfold
if
he
knew
we
were
having
this
discussion
would
be
quite
happy
at
home.
D
So
let's
keep
this
going.
Thank
you
for
bringing
this
to
us
and
we
will
see
you
soon,
I
hope
for
a
final
approval.
Okay,
perfect!
Thank
you!
Nancy
mark
and
Kristen
Thank
You
Alison.
As
always,
we
are
going
to
reschedule
refle
our
deck
here
a
moment
if
you
don't
mind,
because
I
understand
that
we
have
Fraser
Bullock
with
us,
which
is
item
six
in
our
agenda
and
Fraser.
Yes,
mr.
Bullock,
if
you
wouldn't
mind
coming
up,
I
want
to
be
respectful
of
your
time
and
I.
D
D
Okay,
so
we
are
privileged
to
have
an
Olympic
bid,
update
and
please
introduce
mayor
and
perhaps
you'd
like
to
do
some
introductions
actually,
instead,
as
they're
getting
situated,
we
everybody
knows
that
on
February
6th
at
the
governor
Herbert
and
the
legislature
unanimously
passed
a
concurrent
resolution
that
supports
and
encourages
the
Utah
Olympic
exploratory
committee
to
determine
if
we
are
ready,
willing
and
able
to
host
a
future
Olympics
and
Paralympic
Winter
Games.
So
thank
you
for
being
with
us
mayor.
Would
you
like
to
kick
it
off
so.
G
Today
with
us,
we
have
two
of
the
co-chairs
for
the
Olympic
exploratory
committee,
Fraser,
Bullock
and
Jeff
Robbins,
and
it
they
were
leading
this
endeavor
on
creating
this
exploratory
committee
report,
which
you
are
getting
a
copy
of
today.
If
you
would
like
one,
if
you
don't
already
have
one
and
we'll
walk
you
through
kind
of
the
main
highlights
of
the
report
today
and
some
next
steps.
D
I
Thank
you
and
I
want
to
introduce
Darren
Hughes
who
worked
with
team
2002
and
has
consulted
for
every
Olympic
organizing
committee
since
2002.
So
he
is
the
world's
guru
and
helped
write
a
lot
of
this
report,
and
so
we
appreciate
him
and
Jeff
and
the
Sports
Commission
a
lot
of
people
did
great
work.
So
the
first
thing
we
want
to
do
is
move
this
slide
forward,
which
it's
not
going
to
do.
But
everybody
remembers
the
closing
scene,
I
hope
from
opening
ceremonies,
a
very
special
time
that
we
had
in
the
state
and
we're
stuck.
I
I
I
It
was
an
incredible
success
from
every
measure,
one
of
the
great
things
that
for
how
many
of
you
experienced
the
Olympics
here
spent
some
time
downtown
when
I
would
come
to
Salt
Lake
City
I
saw
everybody
unified.
This
energy
around
the
city,
people
were
out
visitors
from
83
countries.
It
was
an
incredible
time
where
our
city
came
alive
as
I
think
never
before,
and
so
creating
that
energy.
I
That
unity,
where
we
all
came
together
to
host
the
world
was
something
very
special
and
the
opportunity
to
do
that
again
to
raise
our
city
to
that
level
was
so
exciting,
where
we
all
felt
one
and
working
together
for
that
common
purpose.
So,
as
a
special
time
downtown
Salt,
Lake
City
was
just
incredible
now,
one
notable
IOC
vice
president
jean-claude
Killy
who's,
an
Olympic
legend
won
three
gold
medals
in
Alpine.
Skiing
said
Salt
Lake.
We
will
always
remember
you.
These
were
perfect
games,
they
turned
out
so
well.
So
many
people
came
together.
I
The
citizenry
of
Utah,
the
best
volunteers
in
the
history
of
Olympics
we
had
twenty
about
26,000
volunteers
did
an
absolute
fabulous
job,
so
we
had
our
operations
were
nearly
flawless
and
we
had
a
surplus
of
a
hundred
million
dollars.
Now
in
today's
Olympic
world,
getting
a
surplus
at
all
is
not
likely
I.
Think
Jung
Chang
spent
like
eleven
billion
dollars.
Some
big
number
like
that,
and
so
it's
very
challenging
to
make
profits
in
today's
Olympic
world.
We
did
it.
We
can
do
it
again.
I
You'll
remember
that
our
games
were
four
and
a
half
months
after
9/11,
so
we
were
able
to
bring
the
world
together
and
heal
the
world
to
get
in
such
a
unique
way
at
that
time
and
Salt
Lake
City
in
Utah
were
branded
around
the
world
as
a
tremendous
Olympic
success
with
great
people
and
a
beautiful
environment
that
was
our
brand
post-games.
It
was
very
special
and
created
kind
of
this
wave
of
economic
activity
that
continued
post
games
and
a
recent
study
that
was
completed.
I
We
had
an
economic
impact
of
over
six
billion
dollars
to
the
state.
So
from
every
measure
it
was
very
successful.
So
why
host
again?
Why
should
we
go
through
all
this
effort?
Well,
number
one!
It
brings
the
world
together
under
the
umbrella
of
sport.
We
have
the
opportunity
to
unify
the
world
in
a
unique
way.
The
only
way
it
really
gets
pulled
together,
as
we
just
saw
in
Pyeongchang.
I
Second
of
all,
you
tonn's
enthusiastically
support
the
prospect
of
hosting
the
games
again
and
Jeff,
and
his
office
and
I'll
have
him
talk
about
that
in
a
moment,
incredible
support
across
the
state.
They
remember
and
what's
interesting,
you
go
to
places
like
Innsbruck
Austria,
the
majority
don't
want
the
games
here.
We
love
them
because
we
understand
it
and
and
what
it
did
for
our
community.
I
I
The
other
reason
for
another
reason
for
hosting
is
we
believe-
and
this
has
been
done
by
the
economic
people
policy
people
believe
that
there's
another
opportunity
to
generate
an
economic
economic
impact
of
over
six
billion
dollars
and
then
finally,
we
have
a
distinct
advantage
versus
any
city
in
the
entire
world
to
host
the
games
again.
Number
one
is:
we
have
a
full
set
of
operating
venues
that
are
world-class
levels.
You
don't
see
that
anywhere
else.
I
You
see
pictures
of
the
crumbling
venues
in
Rio
or
in
Greece
or
in
other
places
here
they
are
in
full
world-class
shape.
Number
two,
very
uniquely
we
have
an
experienced
team,
which
means
we
don't
have
to
spend
time
and
effort
and
wasted
resources
on
trying
to
figure
things
out.
We've
got
the
same
team
that
can
work
on
it.
People
like
Darren,
who
are
even
more
experienced
than
before
that
saves
a
lot
of
cost
and
activity
number
three.
I
Is
we
have
a
unique
compact
geography
you
go
to
Pyeongchang,
you
have
to
go
from
Seoul
the
two
and
a
half
hour
train
ride
to
get
to
or
from
Seoul
to
Pyeongchang
same
thing
in
Vancouver
same
thing,
Torino
we've
been
to
all
these
places.
Here
you
have
won
games,
it's
in
one
place.
You
can
go,
see
freestyle
skiing
in
the
morning
and
then
you
can
come
back
and
see
speed
skating
in
the
afternoon
and
then
you
can
go
to
viven
arena
and
see
mr.
I
I
Now
that
is
such
a
great
point.
We
actually
in
the
report
we're
gonna.
Leave
you
copies
is
that
we
talk
about
in
2002.
We
did
a
great
job,
but
now
you
look
at
our
state
and
we're
so
much
better
or
we'll
be
better
with
that
Airport
which
the
scale
of
the
games
has
grown,
and
so
we
need
that
larger
Airport
and
it's
going
to
be
the
most
beautiful
Airport
in
the
country.
So
thank
you
for
bringing
that
up.
I
The
other
thing
that
we
have
is
we
have
an
experience
of
hosting
hundreds
of
sporting
events,
including
World
Cups
and
World
Championships
and
Jeff,
and
his
organization
are
big
proponents
and
make
that
happen,
and
so
we've
continued
the
legacy
from
2002.
In
fact,
next
year
we're
gonna
have
the
work
some
of
the
World
Championships
here,
and
we
continue
that
effort.
Now,
let's
talk
about
going
forward
so,
what's
going
on
today,
there
is
a
process
that
started
in
September.
This
is
the
timeline
for
the
IOC
in
your
packets
and
the
the
2026
process.
I
Selection
process
is
underway,
but
let
me
be
very
clear:
we
are
not
focused
on
2026
at
all.
It
is
all
2030.
The
reason
for
that
is,
LA
has
2028,
they
have
exclusive
marketing
rights
through
basically
2027
and
so
to
participate.
We
have
to
be
focused
on
2030,
so
there
you
ask.
Well,
why
are
we
in
the
2026
process?
They,
the
IOC,
may
do
a
dual
award
of
26
and
30
at
the
same
time,
which
is
what
they
just
did
for
28
and
24,
with
Paris
and
with
LA.
I
So
we
need
to
be
in
that
process
and
the
US
Olympic
Committee
just
sent
a
letter
which
we
were
thrilled
to
see
happen.
We
had
a
lot
of
dialogues
in
the
background
to
see
happen
that
they
would
like
to
participate
in
this
process,
so
we're
thrilled
for
that.
The
door
is
open.
Now
that
we
weren't
sure
what
was
going
to
be
open,
it's
open,
we
can
focus
but
their
message
and
our
message
is
2030.
I
Now
the
process
is
this
phase
that
started
last
September
goes
through
September
of
this
year
and
that's
called
an
informal
dialogue
stage.
Now
what
that
means
is
you
can
talk?
You
can
participate
with
no
big
commitments,
but
then
in
October
they
will
select
a
group
of
cities
that
become
formal
candidates
to
host
in
26
or
30,
and
so
there
will
narrow
down
the
list.
The
US
Olympic
Committee
will
have
to
put
forward
just
one
can
today,
and
so
that's
a
very
big
milestone.
I
I
Now,
that's
the
IOC,
with
the
US
Olympic
Committee
in
terms
of
the
time
and
process
is
that
they
they
need
to
determine.
There
are
three
cities
that
are
vying
for,
or
have
expressed
interest
in
2030
Salt,
Lake
Denver
and
Reno
Tahoe.
The
US
Olympic
Committee
has
to
come
up
with
a
process
to
select
one
of
those
cities.
They
have
not
yet
to
find
that
process.
They've
they've
said
they
will
they'll
work
through
that,
and
so
we
should
here
in
the
not-too-distant
future,
how
they
plan
on
doing
that.
I
So
that's
the
timeline
now
I
want
to
shift
to
the
OEC
report
and
number
one
the
composition
of
the
people
that
were
there.
We
had
representation,
obviously
from
Mayor
Basuki.
She
was
a
key
member
of
that
group.
She
worked
did
a
lot
of
work.
She
read
the
report
very
thoroughly
and
was
very
helpful
in
guiding
us
through
this
process.
I
Governor
Herbert
was
in
president
neter,
Hauser's,
speaker
Hughes,
so
he
had.
The
political
leadership
of
the
state
was
very
important.
We
had
former
Olympians
involved
who
would
give
us
their
input.
We
had
business
leaders
from
across
the
state.
Obviously
we
had
the
Utah
Sports
Commission,
the
Utah
Olympic
Legacy
Foundation.
We
had
former
team
members
of
two
former
members
of
team
2002,
and
so
we
had
a
broad
base
of
support
in
putting
together
this
document
and
it
ended
up
being
about
a
440
page
document.
I
We'll
give
you
copies
at
the
end,
and
it
outlines
not
only
why
Utah
is
a
great
host
for
the
games,
but
also
all
the
operational
details.
Here's
how
we
had
put
it
together.
Here's
where
we
would
hold
the
events,
here's
what
transportation
looks
like
here's,
what
our
new
airports
gonna,
look
like
all
the
operational
components
are
in
here
and
in
fact,
a
quote
from
an
IOC
member
that
was
relayed
to
me
by
Darren,
who
was
in
Pyeongchang
said
no.
Other
city
has
done
anything
close
to
this
in
this
twenty
twenty
six,
twenty
thirty
process.
I
We
are
way
ahead
of
the
competition.
Well,
why
Utah
would
be
a
great
host.
We
have
the
existing
venues,
we
have
a
great
team
and
it's
the
best
place
to
host
the
whole
Olympic
Winter
Games.
Now
the
enthusiasm
for
hosting
again,
that's
the
other
element.
Not
only
is
a
great
place
to
host
the
games,
but
the
enthusiasm
is
throughout
the
state
and
Jeff.
Why
don't
you
talk
about
the
public
poll
that
that
you
conducted
sure.
K
Well,
thank
you
for
letting
us
spend
some
time
today.
We
did
a
poll.
You
know.
One
thing
we
wanted
to
do
was
look
at
where
the
citizens
interested
in
hosting
the
games
again.
If
we
have
an
opportunity
so
Dan
Jones.
Many
of
you
know
a
longtime
pollster
here
did
a
poll
89%
in
a
plus
or
minus
4%
poll
statewide.
K
Then
we
talked
to
Dan
after
he
said.
You
know
it
might
have
been
a
little
higher
than
that
he
said,
and
if
we
waited
till
the
Olympics
that
just
were
over
you,
we
think
it
probably
would
have
been
92
or
93
percent.
Because
of
the
bubble,
you
would
have
gotten.
So
it's
a
good
poll.
It
was
done
in
November.
K
We
were
in
pain
on
Shang.
We
took
a
delegation
there
and
they
did
a
terrific
job,
but
it
was
not
like
Salt
Lake
nothing's,
like
Salt
Lake
right.
We
did
the
best
job,
that's
ever
been
done,
and
so
they
did
a
great
job.
Different
Phil,
like
Frazier,
said
not
compact
games,
but
there's
no
question
the
enthusiasm
to
hosting
other
games.
Is
there
if
we
get
an
opportunity,
I
think
the
when
we
talked
about
the
economic
impact?
You
know
I
used
to
be
on
the
tourism
council
for
ten
years,
when
you
look
at
social
media.
K
What
it's
doing
now,
when
you
look
at
the
other
elements
that
weren't
there
in
2002,
when
you
look
at
the
ability
to
promote
the
state,
the
city,
all
of
these
different
entities
and
the
platform
that
that
now
provides
us
to
accomplish
a
lot
of
things.
Not
just
have
people
come
here,
but
position,
Utah,
Salt,
Lake,
City
and
our
other
cities
in
a
in
a
way
for
sustainability
for
environmental
other
kinds
of
things,
there's
a
postcard
to
do
something
much
much
different
than
the
games
in
2002.
K
But
there's
no
question:
there's
enthusiasm
that
as
Dan
Jones
told
me
when
I
talk
to
him,
he
says
yeah.
This
is
really
a
mandate.
He
said
fear
of
a
politician
which
I'm
glad
you
guys
are
doing
that
and
I'm
not.
They
said
this
would
be
known
as
a
mandate,
so
most
cities
are
struggling.
We
know
that
a
lot
of
the
International
cities
are
not
voting
in
favor
of
hosting
them,
and
you
start
looking
down
the
list.
We've
had
over
700
sporting
events
since
the
games
during
a
billion
and
a
half
dollars
is
our
estimate.
K
Hundreds
of
millions
of
hours
of
TV
with
those
games
are
since
the
games,
so
the
the
benefits
and
the
other
thing
that's
interesting.
Fraser
that
we
talked
about
you
might
ask.
Well,
why
is
the
economic
impact
gonna
be
about
the
same
next
time
as
it
was
last
time?
Well,
you
get
to
remember.
We
had
a
construction
bubble,
so
in
the
90s
we
had
a
construction
bubble
where
we
had
a
lot
of
construction
going
on
that's
been
largely
done.
K
There
will
be
very
little
construction
needed,
especially
in
terms
of
venues
and
related
infrastructure,
so
there
will
be
an
economic
impact
of
about
the
same.
You
just
aren't
getting
that
bubble.
You
did
back
in
the
90s
of
economic
impact
and
building
that
took
place.
So
that's
why
the
economic
impact,
at
least
the
forecast
that
Natalie
and
her
team
did,
and
they
were
terrific,
is
about
the
same
economic
impact
and
the
media
value.
We
can't
even
put
a
number
on
that.
We
think
with
social
media.
K
I
K
I
Now,
let's
talk
about
the
budget,
everybody
worries
about
numbers,
and
so
we
estimated
now
we
went
back
through
our
budget,
which
was
about
600
pages
from
2002.
We
had
every
penny
detailed
and
we
went
through
it
and
we
estimated
this
time
around
on
a
conservative
basis
for
revenues
in
today's
dollars.
We'd
be
about
one
point:
three:
five:
three
billion
dollars.
I
I
Now
what,
if
there's
a
surplus?
What
do
we
do
with
that
number
one
is:
any
surplus
has
to
be
agreed
to
with
the
u.s.
Olympic
Committee
they
control
this
country,
and
so
anything
we
do
has
to
be
worked
through
with
them.
One
of
the
things
we'd
want
to
do
is
increase
that
sixty
three
million
dollar
endowment
to
keep
sport
active
here
in
the
state.
One
of
the
reasons
we
are
able
to
get
the
Olympics
back
as
we
think
a
favorite
is
because
our
venues
are
so
well
maintained
and
we
continue
to
have
the
events.
I
Those
two
in
combination
qualify
us
to
host
for
the
Olympics
again,
and
we
want
to
perpetuate
that.
So
we
would
take
that
number
up.
The
other
thing
that
we
have
in
the
report
is
that
we'd
like
to
endow
a
fund
for
developing
u.s.
Olympians,
notably
many
of
whom
trained
here
in
Utah
and
the
US
government,
because
the
US
government
in
the
United
States
does
not
fund
athletes
for
the
Olympics
in
almost
every
other
country.
They
do
so
where
it
is
a
distinct
disadvantage.
I
We
saw
the
poor
performance
of
athletes
in
Pyeongchang
of
us
athletes
and
we
and
right
now
the
national
governing
bodies,
a
sports
struggle
for
money.
We
could
make
a
permanent
legacy
in
perpetuity
from
Salt
Lake
in
Utah
to
the
Olympic
movement
in
this
country
by
endow
fund
as
a
little
bit
of
a
give
back
for
the
positive
impact
that
the
Olympics
have
had
in
Utah.
I
I
K
Yeah
and
in
and
you
guys
know
who
the
candidate
cities
are
in
the
u.s.,
because
Reno,
Tahoe
and
Denver
are
the
ones
that
have
been
put
forward
by
the
USOC
as
interested
cities,
and
so
you'll
be
interesting,
comparing
a
little
bit
about
what
Denver
has
and
Reno
Tahoe
they're,
both
great
cities,
but
they
don't
have
all
of
the
venues
that
we
have.
They
don't
have
the
three
billion
dollar
Airport
will
be
built.
They
don't
have
light
rail.
L
Thank
you
both
plus,
in
addition
to
what
you
were
talking
about.
You
know
we
don't
have
a
history
of
being
awarded
the
games
and
then
giving
it
back,
and
we
also
don't
have
the
legacy
of
letting
all
of
the
venues
go,
which
tahoe
did
so
anyway.
I
do
want
to
thank
you
both
for
all
the
work
and
for
all
of
you
for
the
work
that
you're
doing
I
do
think
that
this
is
an
incredible
opportunity
for
the
city.
L
I
think
that,
because
of
the
work,
not
only
that
was
done
in
2002,
but
the
work
that
jeff
has
continued
to
do
through
the
Sports
Commission.
We
have
demonstrated
that
not
only
can
we
host
a
successful
games,
but
we
can
build
a
successful
international
sport
or
legacy
of
sport,
unlike
any
other
previous
host,
the
one
thing
that
that
I
think
we've
we
lacked
and
I've
talked
with
both
of
you
about
this
before
and
I.
Do
think
that
this
you
know
bidding
again
creates
a
new
opportunity.
L
It
is
a
unique
opportunity,
I
think,
with
the
excitement
around
this
bid,
we're
in
a
good
position
to
do
that.
So
I
just
want
to
put
that
out
so
that
we
can
all
start
thinking
a
little
bit
about
that.
But
thank
you
both
for
not
only
your
past
work,
but
your
continued
work
on
moving
this
forward
and
please
let
us
know
if
there
is
anything
that
any
of
us
can
do
as
a
council
or
individually
as
well.
Yeah.
I
First
of
all,
last
time,
the
first
time
we
put
on
the
games,
the
only
thing
we
were
worried
about
was
putting
on
the
games.
We
didn't
want
to
mess
it
up,
and
so
that
was
our
focus,
but
then
we
had
some
resources
at
the
end
and-
and
we
tried
to
do
a
few
things,
as
you
know
they-
they
were
not
successful.
This
time
around,
we
have
the
experience,
and
so
we
can
have
a
broader
vision.
What
can
we
accomplish
for
the
city?
How
can
we
unify
the
city?
I
L
L
D
Gonna
get
you
a
standard
there,
but
perhaps
with
our
I
know
that
the
administration's
doing
work
on
finding
some
potential
new
park
space
in
the
downtown
area
as
we
as
we
so
need,
and
we
have
been
committed
to
on
both
sides
of
the
hallway
for
a
long
time.
So
perhaps
that
conversation
can
dovetail
there,
councilmember
kitchen
I'm
glad.
F
You
brought
up
the
downtown
Park,
because
I
was
just
thinking.
We
have
I,
think
a
million
bones
on
the
table
for
a
downtown
park
already,
if
I'm
not
mistaken,
and
so
it's
something
that
we've
been
talking
about
for
a
long
time
and
we
also
have
the
Hoberman
arch
that
is
sitting
in
storage
and
needs
some
parts
to
be
fabricated.
So
we
should
probably
move
on
getting
that
fixed
up
and
placed
somewhere
so
that
we
can
continue
to
build
the
momentum
and
the
excitement
in
the
community,
which
obviously
is
pretty
high
already.
F
F
I
A
great
question
we
put
in
a
found
an
endowment
of
76
million
from
the
last
games
which
allowed
the
venue's
to
operate
because
they
operate
at
a
deficit
and
there
was
some
maintenance
built
into
that
fund.
But
it
was
contemplated
that
it.
After
about
15
years,
we
would
start
to
see
some
deterioration,
and
so
fortunately,
the
legislature
stepped
forward
and
put
nine
million
dollars
into
the
fund
this
year
and
there's
about
40
million
dollars.
I
That's
going
to
be
needed
to
keep
them
at
a
world-class
level
between
now
and
2030,
and
the
commitment
or
the
indication
of
the
legislature
is
to
fund
that
which
is
wonderful
and
they've,
made
a
big
statement
this
year
and
in
making
a
large
commitment.
So
I
think
we'll
be
in
very
good
shape
in
2030,
great.
F
I
Several
things
number
one:
there
are
some
exciting
new
sports
in
there
like
the
snowboard
sports
and
a
big
air
and
slopestyle,
and
so
we'll
have
new
venue
experiences
and
things
like
that.
So
we'll
have
that
component
in
there
we'll
have
a
showcase
of
the
new
airport
and
new
infrastructure.
That's
here
in
Salt
Lake,
but
we'll
want
to
come
up
with
a
whole
new
theme
of
thinking
about
what
it
is.
We
want
to
communicate
to
the
world
last
time
it
was
light
the
fire
within
which
was
very
inspirational.
I
We
built
all
of
our
theme
around
that
of
inspiration
and
things
like
that,
but
we
would
want
to
invent
a
new
theme,
a
new
games
that
would
bring
all
the
pieces
together
and
we
would
share
that
with
you
and
work
through
that
with
you
to
come
up
with.
What's
the
message
we
want
to
send
to
the
world
as
well
as
having
superb
athletic
competition.
Thank.
F
You
and
one
final
question:
can
you
expand
a
little
bit
on
our
community's
deficits
or
the
drawbacks?
What
we're
like?
What
kinds
of
investments
would
we
need
to
make
substantial
investments?
Do
we
need
to
make
I
think
I
saw
hotel
room
keys
being
one
and
maybe
wrote,
or
you
know,
transportation
infrastructure,
but
talk
to
us
about
what
needs
to
happen
in
order
for
us
to
be
even
more
competitive?
Well,.
I
I
think
we're
in
great
shape
with
the
new
airport.
The
key
is
the
new
airport
coming
on
stream
with
the
new
airport
and
the
light
rail
and
infrastructure
and
rail
infrastructure.
That's
in
place
we're
all
in
the
hotel
rooms
we
have
much
more
than
we
needed
than
we
had
before,
and
we
were
able
to
make
it
work.
So
I
would
say
anything.
That's
added
is
just
a
plus,
but
we
have
today
with
the
new
airport,
everything
we
need
to
be
a
superb
candidate
and.
K
There's
gaming,
there's
environmental,
the
sustainability,
there's
what's
gonna
happen
with
transportation,
self-driving
car
well,
I,
don't
know
if
the
self-driving
cars
are
gonna,
make
it
after
yesterday,
I'm
not
sure
that'll
be
the
case,
but
there's
all
sorts
of
things
that
are
going
to
be
taking
place,
and
not
only
can
you
position
yourself
in
the
public
as
a
leader,
you
can
position
yourself
with
the
different
vendors
and
the
different
people
doing
it.
They
want
to
come
and
be
part
of
it.
K
So
there's
there's
just
tremendous
opportunity
to
say:
oK
we've
got
this,
you
know,
we've
got
the
infrastructure,
we've
got
the
venues,
we've
got
a
great
budget,
we've
got
infrastructure
going
into
the
venues
and
funding,
but
boy
we've
got
a
really
kind
of
an
open
mat
to
draw
on
and
say
what
else
we
want
to
be,
how
else
we
want
to
be
positioned
and
where
can
we
take
advantage
of
those
clusters
and
leverage
you
and
I?
Think
it's
just
as
much
as
you
can
think
about
and
say
what
what
is
they
want
to
do?
Councilmember.
J
I
I
really
don't
see
that
they
have
an
advantage
other
than
what
we
hosted
in
2002,
but
that
actually
gives
us
a
positive
advantage,
because
the
International
Olympic
Committee
is
looking
for
cities
today
that
have
existing
venues.
They
have
an
effort,
called
Olympic
agenda
to
2020
and
they
have
something
in
that
called
the
new
norm
and
the
new
norm.
Is
they
don't
want
to
see
these
big
expenditures
on
the
Olympics?
I
They
want
to
be
efficient,
they
want
to
be
cost
efficient
and
any
other
city
like
Denver
reno/tahoe
is
gonna,
have
to
spend
five
hundred
million
dollars,
plus
to
build
venues
that
we
already
have,
and
so
they're
at
a
significant
disadvantage
and
I'm
not
aware
of
any
and
the
other
disadvantage
that
particularly
Denver
has
is,
is
to
spread
out
games
and
the
traffic
and
all
the
so
I
I.
Don't
see
that
we
have
any
weaknesses
relative
to
our
competition
and.
G
K
Know
I'm
painting
on
Shane,
we
were
right
at
the
airport,
took
us
two
and
a
half
hour
by
train
to
go
to
the
coastal
cluster.
They
call
it
or
the
speed
skating
and
the
speed
skating
events
and
then
another
two
and
a
half
hours
to
the
highest
venue
that
they
had
some
of
the
slopestyle
and
snowboard
events
taking
place
in
moguls.
K
So
if
you
look
at
landing
at
the
airport
by
the
time
you
got
to
the
top
event
up
in
the
winter
cluster
five
hours,
when
you
look
at
the
compact
games,
we
have
here
sixty
mile
radius.
You've
got
all
the
venues
in
sixty
miles.
You
got
front-runner
that
we
didn't
have
you've
got
infrastructure.
We
didn't
have
so
when
you
start
looking
at
I-70
when
you
look
going
up
to
Tahoe
Reno
from
you
know,
Tahoe
from
Reno
the
transportation
infrastructure
is
not
the
same.
So
I
think
we
measure
up
on
almost
all
fronts
really
really
well.
N
I
Security
costs
per
presidential
decision
directive
62,
the
Secret
Service,
is
in
charge
and
the
federal
government
is
in
charge
of
special
events.
The
estimate
for
last
time
was
two
hundred
and
forty
million
dollars
for
two
thousand
two.
It's
probably
going
to
be
a
bigger
number
just
because
of
the
terrorists,
issues
that
are
around,
but
they
are
in
my
experience
of
working
with
all
the
federal
agencies.
They
are
incredibly
capable,
incredibly
supportive,
and
this
is
what
they're
trained
to
do.
N
I
Really,
what
I
see
is
a
massive
advantage
of
LA
to
Salt
Lake,
one
of
the
big
things
that
they'll
do
is
they'll
buy
a
bunch
of
stuff
one
example:
a
gazillion
TVs,
because
they
go
everywhere
at
the
end
of
the
games.
They
sell
those
for
almost
nothing
well.
Is
that
we'll
take
them,
and
so
there
are
all
kinds
of
resources
and
assets
that
they
would
otherwise
dispose
of
with
pennies
on
the
dollar
that
we
could
have
a
pre
arrangement
to
take
those
also
transfer
people.
I
There
are
a
lot
of
people
who
are
operational,
who
are
at
the
games,
and
we
need
them
about
a
year
year
and
a
half
out
we
could
take
them
over.
So
what
one
of
the
things
that
we
want
to
explore
is
create
cutting
new
ground,
so
to
speak,
of
collaborating
with
them
on
every
dimension
of
hosting,
not
only
for
cost
efficiency,
but
also
potentially,
for
revenue
generation
back
to
back
games
could
be
very,
very
positive
for
some
sponsors
instead
of
just
a
17-day
event.
Well,
it's
two
years:
you're.
N
I
Was
actually
a
plug?
Ok,
it
was
a
plug
based
on
here's.
Our
costs
always
built
up
our
cost
budget.
First,
we
know
pretty
much
what
all
the
other
revenue
items
are.
They're
actually
told
to
us
by
the
IOC
with
their.
So
this
is
a
plug.
Then
we
said:
ok,
we
need
two
hundred
and
sixty
million
dollars
to
break-even.
We
could
raise
that
in
Utah
and
there's
a
huge
upside
beyond
that.
Could
we
do
750
million
maybe,
but
that
number
we
have
in
there
is
a
plug.
We
think
there's
tremendous
upside
beyond
that.
Yeah.
I
I
We
can't
activate
those
sponsorships
until
right
after
the
LA
Games,
so
we'll
have
like
an
18
months
20
month,
runway
on
those
sponsorships
which
is
decent,
but
we
will
have
a
three
year
window
or
yeah
three
year
window
to
be
able
to
sell
sponsorships
because
we
can
sell
them
starting
then.
The
other
thing
we
could
do
is
collaborate
with
LA
and
say
why
don't
we
do
some
joint
marketing
for
some
large
sponsors
and
see
if
we
can
enhance
their
revenues
as
well
as
enhance
our
revenues
far
in
advance
of
the
2027
time
frame.
You.
K
Know
in
the
in
the
proximity
to
LA
is
really
good.
I
mean
the
IOC,
the
USOC
all
of
the
partners
have
every
motivation
to
have
us
get
along
well
with
LA.
If
we
get
a
2030
games
because
you
can
leverage
so
I,
think
if
you
look
at
the
the
sponsorship
number,
it's
low
I
mean
I
think
it
would
be
higher
realistically.
O
K
I
think
the
message
of
what
the
budget
is
today
versus
what
it
was
in
2002
and
how
it
compares
to
the
other
potential
competitors
and
other
other
u.s.
is
really
really
compelling,
but
but
they
have
an
they
have
a
vested
interest.
I
will
see
the
USOC
that
if
we
have
a
20
30
games,
LA
Salt
Lake
works
well
together
and
tries
to
create
as
much
synergy
as
possible
to
generate
as
much
revenue
as
we
can
and
to
have
successful
games.
Okay
and.
I
We
would
have
to
get
permission
from
them
and
but
that's
Mayor,
that's
exactly
a
key
point
that
we
want
to
execute
on.
We
would
go
to
LA
I've
already
been
there
talked
to
them.
We
would
go
to
them
and
say
we
would
like
to
be
able
to
raise
money
in
Utah
from
corporations
who
otherwise
wouldn't
sponsor
LA
and
start
that
early
and
I
think
that's
a
possibility.
Okay,.
I
N
I
It's
actually
in
the
report.
It's
in
one
of
the
sections
here
it
talks
about
utilizing
existing
venues,
cost-effective
I'm,
actually
on
the
working
group
of
the
IOC.
That's
working
on
this
issue.
I
was
in
Lausanne
last
November,
so
I
know
exactly
and
I'm
helping
prepare
their
work
on
that
and
they
and
they
actually
published
it
in
in
the
end
of
January.
Was
it
it's
actually
a
public
document
and
it's
out
there
yeah.
N
K
D
You
council,
members
for
your
discussion.
Thank
you,
Fraser
Bullock,
Jeff,
Robins
Darren,
in
the
back
there
mayor.
This
is
exciting.
Your
passion
and
enthusiasm
is
palpable
and
I
love
having
passionate
people
and
before
us
to
talk
about
opportunities
to
the
city.
We
will
look
to
learn
more
about
how
the
city
will
be
engaged
too.
D
Let's
just
speak
in
the
positive
format
here,
and
the
September
2019
timeline
is
not
too
far
off
it's
very
exciting,
so
let
us
know
how
we
can
help
as
a
city
council
as
the
legislative
body
here
and
what
our
involvement
may
be
as
that
development
occurs.
Thank
you
for
your
time
and
being
with
us
today.
Thank.
D
D
And
then
to
our
will,
go
to
as
they're
coming
up
we're
going
to
go
to
obviously
to
the
wastewater
reclamation
facility,
local
limits
item
next
and
keep
that
to
15
minutes
and
then
on
the
inner
local
agreement
with
the
DA's
office.
If
we
can
keep
that
to
15
minutes
as
well
and
the
CCAC
report
Vickie
and
Lance,
and
our
wonderful
Lihua
welcome
like
who
do
you
want
to
start
us
off
here?
Please
sure.
P
And
so
there
are
a
few
options
in
your
staff
report
that
council
members
may
want
to
explore.
There
are
a
few
options
that
would
be
temporary.
That
would
allow
either
the
fees
to
not
be
implemented
right
away
or
to
be
phased
in,
to
make
those
easier
for
special
events,
and
then
maybe
that
could
be
paired
with
a
legislative
intent
or
a
request
for
a
broader
briefing
to
come
back
to
the
council
and
explore
those
options.
P
Later
in
the
year,
we've
asked
both
the
city's
finance
department
and
the
City
Attorney's
Office
about
the
issue
of
using
the
revenues
continuing
to
cover
this
as
a
subsidy.
So
to
speak,
because
the
waste
and
recycling
collection
is
an
enterprise
fund,
there's
always
a
caution
about
whether
you're
collecting
the
fees
through
user
rates
and
then
how
you're
using
them
to
benefit
those
customers
in
this
situation
and
I
think
you
guys
talked
about
this
a
bit
during
your
first
briefing.
These
are
revenues
coming
from
residential
customers
paying
for
waste
and
recycling
collection,
and
then
it's
subsidizing.
G
C
G
Yeah
and
we
did
get
it-
our
attorneys
opinion
was
that
for
a
short
time,
the
subsidy
would
be
fine
longer
time
we
would
be.
You
know,
having
to
really
consider
the
legal
issues,
and
it
is
something
that
waste
and
recycling
would
like
to
continue
to
do
because
from
the
bit
of
input,
we've
gotten
from
the
private
sector
were
able
to
do
it
for
a
much
lower
fee,
and
that
would
be
to
the
advantage
of
our
special
events.
So
Lance
did
speak
to
a
number
of
the
events,
almost
all
of
them.
Q
We
did
so
as
per
Kent
councils
direction.
We
reached
out
to
all
the
events
either
and
met
with
them.
Face-To-Face
or
we'd
via
email
had
a
lot
of
dialogue
with,
with
all
the
events,
the
kind
of
the
overarching
message
that
we
heard
from
all
events.
Obviously
they
don't
like
an
increase
in
the
fees
that
was
obvious.
Q
Many
of
the
events,
especially
the
larger
ones,
did
reach
out
to
the
private
sector
to
gauge
what
the
rates
were
and
the
two
things
came
back
one
everybody
agreed
there
to
be
a
lot
more
expensive
if
they
went
with
a
private
sector
choice
that
number
two
thing
which
made
me
feel
good
was
they.
They
did
not
believe
that
they
would
get
the
level
of
service
that
they
actually
received
from
the
city
right
now,
if
they
did
go
to
the
private
sector.
Q
There
is
a
concern
about
the
the
fees
that
they're
facing
and
the
way
that
these
events
are
structured,
fine,
financially,
they
have
to
actually
commit
to
costs
that
they
don't
know
if
they
can
cover
in
order
to
get
people
there.
That
sponsors
there
so
I
think
I
elaborate
a
little
bit
more
in
the
summary
that
I
provided
the
council
bit.
There's
any
questions
about
anything
I
heard.
Thank.
M
Fowler
first
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
for
following
up
with
some
of
these
questions
that
we
had
had
at
the
last
meeting
and
I.
Think
more
than
anything,
what
you
found
out
is
what
I've
heard
that
are
you're
talking
with
some
of
the
the
event
people,
but
I
think.
It
also
raises
another
question
that
it's
not
so
much
about
what
the
waste
fee
is,
but,
overall,
what
the
fee
for
having
an
event
on
the
city
grounds
here
are
right
and
so
I
think
this
needs
to
be
a
broader
policy
discussion.
M
That
I
would
like
to
ask
the
board
I
mean
the
council
to
consider
putting
on
an
agenda
because
I
think
that
there's
ways
I
think
this
is
just
one
tiny
little
part
that
brought
to
light
kind
of
all
of
the
other
things
that
the
festivals
and
the
events
are
feeling
based
around
the
entire
fee
structure
for
having
an
event
here
and
what
that
looks
like.
So
you
know,
I
appreciate
it
and
I
do
to
your
credit.
M
I
heard
very
positive
things
about
interactions
with
your
department
and
that
it
really
they
recognized
that
it
was
much
cheaper
than
going
private,
but
it
does
then,
like
I,
said
kind
of
raise
that
extra
kind
of
bigger
concern
of
the
overall
fees,
so
just
throwing
that
out
there
that
I
think
it's
something
that
we
need
to
discuss
and
we've
kind
of
discussed
this,
as
as
a
council
of
you
know,
is
this
right
please
to
have
festivals.
Is
this
what
we're
kind
of
looking
at
the
area
as
a
whole
and
what
we
want
it
here?
M
If
what
would
happen
if
those
festivals
ended
up
leaving
here
and
if
we
cared
very
much
about
it,
so
I
I
think
it's
just
one
of
those
things
that
I
think
we
need
to
have
on
an
agenda
at
some
point
to
really
dive
into
those
policy
discussions.
So
thank
you
for
coming
back
with
that
information.
I
really
appreciate
it.
Q
So
that's
that's
good.
Okay,
there's
very
few
municipalities
in
the
state
that
actually
provide
their
own
collection
services,
I,
think
Ogden,
Provo,
Draper
and
salt
like
the
ones
that
could
come
to
mind,
and
so,
when
you
look
at
what
they
do,
I
can't
speak
for
all
them.
But
from
my
knowledge,
they
pretty
much
put
it
out
to
private
sector
to
provide
those
services
and
there
they
have
either
through
an
RFP
process
that
they
choose
a
preferred
vendor
that
provides
those
services
or
they
require
the
vet
school
to
go
directly
to
those.
So.
G
E
E
N
I
like
showing
the
true
cost
of
services,
I
know
it
gets
expensive,
especially
not
used
to
seeing
the
true
cost
of
a
service
and
I
like
the
fact
that
we're
gonna
identify
what
is
actually
needed
for
that
service
versus
being
subsidized
by
everyone.
I
am
open
to
the
idea
of
delaying
a
year
or
something
along
those
lines
to
ensure
time
to
plan
for
budgets
for
the
following
year
for
events
and
those
kind
of
things
so
I'd
be
in
favor.
Of
that.
That's.
E
I,
just
also
wanted
to
speak
in
favor
of
that.
I
think
that
we
need
at
least
a
year
to
identify
how
this
is
going
to
impact
our
events
and
and
be
able
to
talk
through
whether
and
you
know
if
they
determined
that
this
will
make
it
so
that
they're
not
able
to
help
have
an
event
in
Salt
Lake.
Is
that
worth
the
cost?
D
E
N
E
Think
I
would
have
to
be.
I
would
say
that
that
would
have
to
be
part
of
our
our
considerations
when
we,
when
we
determine
like
we're
gonna,
have
to
balance
not
putting
this
on
the
agenda
in
the
next
two
months
because
of
budget
with
giving
them
enough
of
a
runway.
I've
noticed
so
I'm.
Just
saying
you
know,
I
don't
want
to
put
six
months
on
it.
If
it's
going
to
take
or
or
seven.
D
M
I
make
a
suggestion
that
we
kind
of
split
this
into
two
straw
polls
in
that
one
would
simply
answer
the
question
of
delaying
the
full
rate
increase
by
a
year
which,
to
be
fair.
Most
of
the
events
happen
in
the
summertime,
so
then
I
mean
we
would
be,
and
then
the
second
strap
hole
so
we're
teasing
this
out
a
little
bit
would
be
to
have
a
policy
discussion
sometime
after
the
budget
sometime
later
in
this
year.
Does
that
make.
D
G
As
a
point,
when
the
events
start
doing
their
planning-
and
we
first
start
working
with
them
generally-
is
in
about
February
to
March,
because
they're
all
doing
their
planning
for
the
year.
So
that's
and
that's
why
this
came
to
you
separately,
rather
than
just
part
of
the
budget,
as
we
were
would
like
to
have
a
set
event.
Whatever
the
fees
are
for
kind
of
the.
J
G
D
G
P
Approve
the
ordinance
and
change
to
the
consolidated
fee
schedule
with
an
effective
date
of
January
1st
2019
and
then
that
it's
not
quite
a
year,
but
it
meets
this
need
that
Vickie
just
raised.
And
then
it
also
would
coincide
with
the
ACE
funding
availability,
the
first
special
events
through
the
city
and
so
depending
on
how
it
all
goes
with.
But.
M
We
could
revisit
that
in
September,
for
example,
after
we've
kind
of
gone
through
budget
season
and
looked
at
all
of
the
the
fees,
and
then
we
could
revisit
that
and
in
September,
if
we
are
okay
with
the
few
raise,
have
an
ordinance
that
went
into
effect
in
January,
so
that
at
least
we're
giving
them
six
months
to
say
before
your
start
really
fully
getting
into
your
budget
cycle.
You'll
know
that
there's
an
increase
fee
mm-hmm.
D
M
D
Have
before
us
the
consolidated
fee
schedule
amendment
which
is
just
this
portion,
so
we
can't
do,
there's
nothing
else
to
delay
it's
my
understanding
and,
if
I
think
that
it
it's
probably
smart
of
us
to
go
till
January
1
and
give
that
much
time.
That
way,
it's
still
in
my
purview,
to
put
it
on
the
agenda
that
we'll
get
to
it
before
that
which
is
requisite
upon
the
work
that
is
yet
to
come
around
looking
holistically
at
the
costs
incurred
by
special
events.
But
it
sounds
like
we
have
a
commitment
to
work
on
that.
D
N
D
M
Other
strap
would
just
be
that
we
get
some
information
regarding
the
fees
that
events
pay
in
total
and
look,
and
it
kind
of
goes
back
to
what
I
asked
what
we
talked
about
at
that
other
meeting.
But
as
we
look
at
the
impact
of
the
economic
impact
and
paying
those
fees
on
events
and
what
the
economic
impact
would
be
to
the
city
if
they
left
so.
D
P
Confident
that
we
can
provide
what
events
are
paying
and
depending
on
where
how
that
changes
and
what
money
is
available
from
the
city
through
grants
or
other
sponsorships
that
offset
the
community
impact
in
an
economic
analysis
on
what
would
happen
if
I
feel
less
confident
that
we
would
have
that
available.
But
we
can
check
so
I
just
want
to
I,
don't
want
to
set
unfair
expectations
so
well,
we'll
check
more
on.
D
D
Okay,
so
we've
got
a
straw
poll
to
ask
staff
to
work
with
the
administration
on
that
complete
package
for
us
to
consider
costs
to
special
events
and
whether
or
not
we
feel
that
they
should
be
subsidized
ultimately,
for
the
benefit
to
community
that
can
on
your
strap
hole.
We
don't
need
to
great
who's
in
favor,
all
those
in
favor
any
opposed
all
right,
you're
opposed
to
Ken,
councilmember,
Wharton,
okay,.
E
P
D
And
our
apologies
to
director
briefer
for
that
we
have
a
full
agenda
today,
so
that
takes
us
to
item
8,
the
interlocal
agreement
for
locating
the
Salt
Lake
City
prosecutor's
office
in
the
District
Attorney's
Office
with
the
county.
So
we
should
have
Jennifer
Bruno
come
up
here
with
us.
Of
course,
our
district
attorney
Sammy
Gill
welcome
Margaret,
plane.
H
J
D
D
J
I'm
Margaret
Plains
still
the
Salt
Lake
City
Attorney.
Thank
you
for
inviting
us
up
we're
really
here
to
answer
your
questions.
I
was
sort
of
asked
to
give
a
big-picture
introduction
because
the
majority
of
the
council
wasn't
here
in
2015
when
the
inner
local
agreement
regarding
the
district
attorneys
may
judgment
of
our
Prosecutor's
Office
was
initiated
and
then
I
think
we'll
probably
turn
it
over
to
Scott
Fisher
because
he's
a
city
employee
with
20-plus
years
with
the
prosecutor's
office
and
has
a
really
great
perspective
on
how
this
is
all
working.
J
So
big
picture
is
that
in
fall
of
2015,
the
current
interlocal
agreement
became
effective.
The
interlocal
agreement
is
for
the
DEA
to
manage
the
prosecutor's
office.
We
call
it
the
management
services
agreement,
so
it's
been
in
effect
for
about
two-and-a-half
years.
Under
that
agreement,
we've
got
city,
employees,
enforcing
city
ordinances,
working
with
Salt
Lake
City
police
officers
in
Salt,
Lake,
City
Court.
J
So
there's
still,
our
employees
they're
still
enforcing
our
ordinances,
they're,
still
working
with
our
law
enforcement
and
they're
doing
it
in
the
Salt
Lake
City
Justice
Court
they
file
under
city
headers,
because
of
course,
meaning
the
the
caption
says:
Salt
Lake
City
versus
because
they're
still
city
employees
and
sim
Gill
has
been
deputized.
As
our
city
prosecutor,
the
collaboration
was
entered
into
the
it
started
being
evaluated
in
about
2014,
and
it
was
entered
into
to
gain
some
cost
efficiencies
for
the
city.
Also
because
we
believed
we
could
improve
the
administration
of
justice
through
this
collaboration.
J
At
the
time
the
legislature
was
considering
what
became
the
jri,
the
justice
reinvestment
initiative
and
one
of
the
things
jr.
I
did
was
change
some
things
like
simple
drug
possession,
charges
from
felonies
to
misdemeanors,
and
so
at
the
time
we
weren't
sure
what
the
impact
would
be
on
our
caseload
and
we
thought
collaborating
with
the
DA's
office
would
would
help
with
the
administration
of
justice
under
jri.
So
that
was
one
one
thing
going
on,
so
we
wanted
to
save
money.
Jr.
I
was
sort
of
changing
the
way
we
are
looking
at.
J
The
administration
of
justice,
and
then
we
also
were
interested
in
perhaps
providing
a
better
opportunity
for
our
city
employees
in
terms
of
advancement
to
more
complicated
prosecution's
within
the
office
if
they
wanted
it.
I'm
just
gonna
hit
some
highlights
of
what's
been
accomplished
because
I
think
it's
covered
both
in
the
transmittal
and
in
your
council
staffers
council
report,
but
one
highlight
is
that
each
year
this
arrangement
has
saved
close
to
10
percent
and
some
years
more
than
that
of
the
budget,
has
it
stood
in
2015.
J
So
that's
not
intuitive
to
see,
because
one
of
the
things
we
did
with
the
reorganization
realignment
was
to
eliminate
some
positions.
That
became
duplicative.
So
when
that
money
drops
out
of
the
budget,
you
don't
see
it
every
year
as
an
ongoing
savings,
because
it's
just
gone
that
first
year,
but
the
the
efficiencies
and
the
savings
from
that
amount
to
close
to
10
percent
of
the
prosecutors
budget
annually
and
in
other
years,
they've
saved
over
a
hundred
thousand
dollars,
which
this
is
about
a
two
point:
eight
three
million
dollar
budget.
So
those
are
real
numbers.
J
J
Part
of
the
City
Attorney's
budget,
my
budget
is
complicated,
which
is
why
I
specified
because
I
have
some
risk
management,
the
prosecutor's
office,
the
recorders
office
and
then
the
course
civil
budget.
So
in
the
budget
book,
for
instance,
the
City
Attorney's
budget
is
close
to
12.5
million
the
prosecutors
piece
of
that
is.
J
H
J
Increased
and
they
agreed
to
handle
all
of
those,
because,
because
we
were,
the
city
was
no
longer
responsible
for
those
and
they
could
be
absorbed
into
the
county's
workload.
We
didn't
have
to
hire
additional
people
to
manage
those
and
I
think
that's
another
savings
that
you
don't
see,
but
a
real
win
for
I
think
everyone
in
terms
of
efficiency,
of
the
administration
of
justice
so
quickly.
Why
are
we
here?
The
current
interlocal
agreement
terminates
in
June
of
2018.
There
are
two
automatic.
J
There
are
two
one
year:
renewal
provisions
that
are
automatic,
so
the
timing
is
good.
Furthermore,
the
DA's
new
building,
as
you
all
have
seen
across
the
street,
is
now
occupied
by
county
employees
and
we're
coming
to
you
with
a
request
for
an
amended
and
restated
in
her
local.
That
would
allow
us
to
co-locate
co-locating.
We
believe,
will
bring
increased
efficiencies
and
ongoing
improved
opportunities,
not
just
for
our
city
employees,
but
for
our
city
employees
working
together
with
the
county
employees.
So
that's.
J
Why
we're
here,
because
there's
a
resolution
being
proposed
with
the
inner
local
agreement
and
really
this
sort
of
initially
was
teed
up
as
a
budget
amendment.
The
good
news
is
that
if
council
approves
this
direction
of
continuing
the
management
agreement,
while
also
co-locating,
there
are
no
additional
costs
in
the
prosecutors
budget
for
fiscal
year
18.
In
other
words,
they
have
enough
savings
that
we
can
move
and
cover
the
rent
and
operating
costs
for
the
remainder
of
this
fiscal
year.
J
But
of
course,
in
the
new
ongoing
fiscal
years
there
is
the
additional
cost
because
we're
going
to
be
leasing
space
for
29
employees
in
the
new
DA's
building.
The
offset
of
that,
of
course,
is
that
we're
freeing
up
the
fifth
floor
of
Plaza
349
Patrick
is
here,
and
he
can
certainly
talk
to
you
about
the
space
constraints
that
the
administration
is
experiencing.
So
I'm
gonna
stop
talking,
because
I
think
Scott
is
really
the
person
you
should
be
hearing
from.
Unless
you
have
questions
for
me,
but
questions
may
be
generated
by
what's
good.
Go.
O
One
thing
I
do
want
to
point
out
is
in
those
23
years,
I've
had
the
opportunity
to
work
for
Cheryl
Luke,
who
was
a
chief
city
prosecutor
after
Cheryl
I
worked
for
sim
as
a
chief
city
prosecutor,
I,
didn't
work
for
Padma
Bureau
cullings
as
a
chi
city
prosecutor
and
now
for
a
second
time,
I'm
working
under
scim
as
the
chief
city
prosecutor,
based
on
that
experience
and
my
familiarity
with
in
Paige's
familiarity
with
the
day-to-day
operations
in
the
office.
I
think
that
Salt
Lake
City
should
be
confident
about
this
opportunity.
O
This
is
a
limited-time,
basically
once
in
20
or
30
years,
opportunity
I
think
we
need
to
recognize
the
situation
for
what
it
is
and
take
the
opportunity.
Now,
before
it
passes,
the
spine
is
lost,
and
that
would
be
mine
and
Paige's
request.
The
the
ability
to
interact
with
da
district
attorney
personnel
on
a
daily
moment-by-moment
face-to-face
basis
will
improve
the
quality
of
justice
for
victims.
O
Defendants,
Salt,
Lake,
City
residents
saw
saw
like
city
police,
the
Salt,
Lake
City
Justice
Court,
and
have
a
positive
ripple
effect
for
every
agency
and
person
involved
in
Salt,
Lake,
City
and
County
justice
systems,
and
in
my
thinking
that
would
include
the
defense
bar.
This
is
a
situation
where
one
plus
one
our
office
in
the
DA's
office
does
not
just
equal
to.
O
We've
seen
great
opportunities
and
I
think
great
gains
in
the
ability
to
lessen
some
of
the
complications
where
we
have
cases
that
fall
on
the
cusp
between
the
district
attorney's
office
and
our
office,
for
example,
a
case
to
be
presented
to
the
district
attorney
as
a
felony,
and
it
might
be
a
possible
felony.
But
perhaps
it's
better
suited
to
be
treated
as
a
misdemeanor
and
come
to
our
office.
O
The
flip
side
of
that
is
that
sometimes
class
B's,
an
example
would
be
duis
will
come
into
our
office
and
you
look
at
them
and
they
should
be
enhanced
for
based
on
priors.
In
those
situations
it
comes
into
an
initial
office.
Someone
makes
a
decision,
it's
got
to
go
to
the
other
office
and
it
starts
this
sequence
of
bouncing
cases
back
and
forth
that
delays
filing
delays,
screening
and
delays
getting
the
cases
into
court.
D
M
M
O
Will
be
two
separate
screening
units
so,
for
example,
there
will
be
a
city
screening
unit
and
city
prosecutors
and
a
DA
screening
in
it.
The
advantage
to
this
is
we
will
be
on
the
same
floor
of
the
same
building.
We
literally
be
able
to
walk
across
that
space
and
share
ideas.
If
we've
got
a
case,
we've
got
a
concern
about
go
and
talk
about
it
with
a
DA's
office.
So,
for
example,
I
can
give
you
examples,
one
that
comes
to
mind
is
when
I'm
dealing
with
currently,
and
that
is.
O
We
have
a
DEA
case,
where
they're
trying
to
figure
out
a
way
to
get
it
out
of
district
court
and
get
it
into
judge
Baxter's
of
that
court,
and
so
we've
been
throwing
emails
and
phone
calls
back
and
forth.
In
this
scenario,
I
can
either
walk
across
the
building,
go
talk
to
someone
face
to
face,
or
maybe
walk
upstairs
and
have
that
real-time
face-to-face
conversation
about
how
to
solve
a
problem.
So
so
we're
not
merging
our
screening
function.
O
What
it
is
it's
the
ability
to
share
information
and
in
these
kinds
of
situation
where
they
have
created
this
bounce
back.
You
know
between
agencies,
we're
going
to
be
able
to
shorten
the
time
frame.
They'll
be
discrete
screening
units
they
will
not.
The
DA's
office
will
have
their
screening
in
it
and
we
will
have
ours
I.
M
M
Maybe
city
ordinances
are
not
in
the
same
line
as
state
statutes
and
we
don't
have
sam
to
who's
kind
of
philosophically
aligned
with
maybe
the
city
right
and
now,
we've
already
mur
these,
because
it
seems
inevitable
that
that
would
happen
if
I
have,
if
I'm
sitting
across
the
hallway
from
Charlie
and
we're
sharing
ideas
and
we're,
it
seems
inevitable
that
those
ideas
will
start
to
morph
together
and,
and
so
that
raises
a
bear.
A
very
big
concern
for
me:
I
think.
H
H
I
think
what
Scott
is
really
talking
about
is
that
when
we
have
those
issues
which
may
fall
into
our
shop
or
into
this
shop,
the
effectiveness
of
it,
although
we
have
technology
and
we
can
set
up
meetings,
we
often
have
officers
who
come
down
to
that
our
building,
then
they
go
to
that
building
and
then
we
try
to
bring
people
together.
This
is
literally
saying:
hey.
This
really
belongs
in
the
city
that
we
shouldn't
prosecute
this
hey
Scott.
Can
you
take
a
look
at
this?
H
It's
not
a
misdemeanor
and
we
can
make
that
decision
right
there
or
or
take
it
down
that
that
to
me
is
the
value
of
collaboration
and
I.
Don't
think
we
should
worry
about
that
and
I
don't
think
we're
going
to
lose
any
identity,
because
when
it
comes
to
city
and
code
enforcement,
there's
only
a
single
s.o.b
license.
H
The
the
state
doesn't
have
a
scheme
for
that
and
when
the
officers
are
looking
at
those
ordinances
which
are
city,
specific
ordinances,
those
are
those
are
going
to
be
dictated
by
the
law
that
we
have
I
appreciate
the
concern
that
you
raising
but
I,
don't
think
it
is
so
fatal
or
it
would
rise
to
the
level
where
we
would
simply
lose
our
identity
of
what
is
unique
to
the
city
and
and
I
appreciate
your
kindness
to
say
you
know.
Yes,
I
I
may
not
be
here
forever.
H
But
having
said
that,
the
question
really
is
one
of
fiscal
sense,
organizational
sense
and
operational
sense,
and
is
it
giving
value
to
our
community
with
this
with
this
agreement
and
are
we
finding
value
to
our
citizens
and
our?
Is
it
giving
us
opportunities
through
this
synergy
for,
for
example,
take
operation,
Rio
Grande,
where
the
focus
has
been
on
arrest
and
felony
prosecution
because
of
our
synergy?
H
One
of
our
just
last
week,
one
of
the
conversations
the
necessary
conversation
we
had
was
to
say
we
need
to
focus
on
our
misdemeanor
offenders,
who
are
not
getting
access
to
treatment
and
while
operation
Rio
Grande
is
focusing
on
felony
behavior.
There
are
hundreds
of
people
who
are
not
getting
access
to
treatment
in
misdemeanor,
whether
it's
mental
health
services
services
or
treatment
services,
and
it
allows
us
to
at
least
parlay
that
communication
in
a
way
to
better
serve
our
community.
So
I
think
there
are
synergistic
effects
here.
H
D
L
Yeah
I
mean
I
I
want
to
try
to
redirect
some
of
the
discussion
to
you
know
the
issue
at
hand,
and
that's
you
know
whether
or
not
we
continue
with
the
arrangement
that
we
established
two
years
ago
and
I
haven't
really
heard
anything
that
indicates
that
the
current
set
up
is
not
working.
I
understand
the
hypotheticals
I
understand
the
what-ifs,
but
we
don't
have
a
lot
of
money
just
sitting
around
to
go
back
and
change
course
and
try
to
fix
something
that
could
maybe
potentially
someday
happen.
E
So
I
feel
a
little
bit
well.
First
I
want
to
say
obviously
I
think
that
it
makes
sense
that
in
this
short
time
that
we've
been
doing
this
agreement,
that
there
haven't
been
any
conflicts
and
and
I
think
that
part
of
the
reason
why
symma
was
elected
da
is
because
of
the
outstanding
things
that
he
was
able
to
do
as
a
city
prosecutor,
and
that
includes
working
with
the
two
of
you
as
the
first
assistants.
E
So
it
doesn't
surprise
me
that
there
haven't
been
any
problems
with
the
three
of
you
getting
back
together
and
working.
You
know
and
doing
this
gig,
but
we
have
to
make
a
decision
about
10
years
from
now
and
everything
that
happens
in
between
and
what
happens
and
I'm,
not
as
confident
that
a
different
team,
full
of
players
that
are
half
picked
by
us
and
half
picked
by
voters
is
always
going
to
work
out.
You
guys
have
a
culture
that
you
established
and
you're
recreating
the
culture.
E
So
obviously
it's
going
well
fill
a
little
bit
like
like
what
James
was
saying
earlier,
that
that
we
I
I,
don't
know
that.
That's
really
a
true
test,
because
we
know
that
the
outcome
was
already
gonna
work
because
it
already
worked
before
my
question.
Is
you
know
what
about
when
we
have
disagreements
over
discovery
fees,
whether
or
not
to
charge
them?
That's
a
that's
something
that
we've
had
what
about
when
we
have.
E
If
we
have
a
district
attorney
that
wants
the
city
to
cooperate
with
ice
and
do
ice
detentions,
I
mean
these
aren't.
These
are
hypotheticals
but
they're
not
far
out
of
reach
at
all.
These
are
things
that
have
happened
in
the
district
attorney's
office
or
in
the
city
before
so.
How
will
those
be
handled
and
who
could
makes
the
final
call
so.
H
One
of
the
things
is
that,
through
the
interlocal
agreement,
you
will
always
be
able
to
call
the
district
attorney.
You
can
call
me
and
my
job
and
my
in
this
position
is
to
have
this
discussion
in
this
public
setting
to
have
that
policy
discussion
if
there
is
a
issue
that
is
coming
up
in
terms
of
a
policy,
and
that
is
a
it's
part
of
that
inner
local
agreement
to
be
able
to
vet
out
those
issues
and
share
those
concerns.
I
have
always
made
myself
available
to
this
body
at
any
time
that
they
want
to.
H
That
is
the
precedent
that
I've
set
and
the
inner
local
agreement
recognizes
that
the
city,
a
prosecutor
who
the
district
attorney
can
be
called
by
you
to
have
that
conversation
that
necessary
conversation.
If
there
is
a
policy
issue
that
is
moving
in
different
directions,
of
course,
if
the
two
parties
have
not
moved
in
a
different
direction,
it
preserves
the
integrity
of
each
side
to
be
able
to
give
notice
to
be
able
to
move
away
from
this
relationship,
and
that
is
something
I
don't
have
a
crystal
ball
and
but
I
think
we.
H
What
we
can
do
is
create
the
best
model
where
the
integrity
and
the
dignity
of
each
agency
is
preserved
and
the
independence
of
each
agency
is
preserved.
That
should
the
policy
objectives
get
to
in
such
an
impasse
that
they
can
move
their
separate
way.
The
question,
then
we
need
to
ask,
is
that
is
it
working
and
what
and
and
what
is
it,
that
we
can
make
an
informed
decision
on
and
I
think
that
that's
a
legit
but
question
is:
is
there
been
value?
H
What
my
position
is,
for
example,
so
at
the
Salt
Lake
County
DA's
office
had
at
one
time
tried
to
charge
fees
when
I
came
into
office.
That
was
the
first
action
that
I
did
was
to
settle
their
lawsuit
with
the
ACLU
and
removed
the
discovery
fees
away.
Because
to
me
that
is
what
is
the
right
thing
to
do,
and
if
there
is
a
big
policy,
it's
not
to
say
that
there
couldn't
be
big
policy
concerns.
H
But
if
that
happens,
that
is
a
conversation
that
you
would
have
with
the
district
attorney
and
say
that
as
far
as
Salt
Lake
City
residents
are
concerned.
As
far
as
our
cases
are
concerned,
we
we
don't
want
to
charge
that
and-
and
we
can
have
that
policy
discussion-
I
don't
know,
maybe
in
the
future
the
costs
of
whatever
it
is
that
there
may
be
a
rational
basis
or
there
may
never
be.
J
G
E
H
If
the,
if
there's
a
legal
concern
and
that
policy
is
being
done
by
the
by
that
prosecuting
entity,
I
think
you
got
to
have
that
conversation
and
you
move
to
your
separation
as
quickly
as
you
can
to
take
over
that
office.
And
if
you
can
do
it
in
30
days,
then
you
can
take
it
over,
but
I
assume.
If
the
premise
of
your
argument
is
that
that
that
decision
is
being
made
by
that
elected
person
and
I
would
assume
whatever
the
rationale
is,
they
would
do
it
until
the
relationship
is
severed.
E
E
The
client
but
we're
a
client
where
one
of
the
clients
that's
right
right.
So
if
we're
a
client
like
I,
understand
that
there's
prosecutorial
discretion
and
that,
yes,
that
exists,
regardless
of
whether
we
do
the
prosecutor's
office
together
or
separately,
but
it
doesn't
Trump
like
the
rules
of
professional
conduct
and
it
doesn't
Trump
like
the
duty
of
loyalty.
So
what
if
there's
a
situation
where
the
county
and
the
DA
and
his
elected
at
capacity
as
da,
has
a
position
that
is
contrary
to
Salt
Lake
City's
position?
How
do
you.
H
I
know
those
are
very
different,
distinct
issues,
let's
not
merge
those
two
aspects
together.
So,
for
example,
when
I
put
on
my
hat
as
the
county
attorney,
my
client
is
Salt,
Lake,
County
and
I'm,
giving
them
civil
advice,
just
as
Margaret
does
as
well,
and
we
have
our
respective
clients
for
that.
But
at
the
prosecutor
is
an
independent
body.
So
in
the
sense
that
you
try
to
do
what
is
ethical
you
try
to
do.
What
is
constitutional?
H
You
try
to
do
what
is
legal,
and
that
is
what
should
guide
the
action
of
a
prosecutor
even
as
an
even
if
I
was
right.
Now
the
city
prosecutor
and
the
DA
didn't
happen
and
it
didn't
exist
and
if
you
were
to
come
to
me
and
say,
am
I
want
you
to
prosecute
this
case?
This
way,
I
would
say
to
you,
okay.
Well,
thank
you
for
sharing
that,
but
I'm
gonna
make
a
decision
which
is
based
on
the
law
and
the
evidence.
That's
there
and-
and
you
know
so
so,.
H
Were
at
my
client
in
the
prosecution
is
the
integrity
of
that
case,
who
you
and
I
get
to
have
a
policy
discussion
about
the
things
that
you
may
want
to,
but
I
would
never
let
anyone
control
the
prosecution
of
a
particular
matter.
I
would
let
the
evidence
and
the
law
dictate
that,
within
my
prosecutorial
discretion,
a.
J
E
H
E
H
My
counsel
has
broad
policy
interests
and
and
and
I
take
that
input
as
a
elected
as
a
public
servant.
But
what
dictates
the
movement
and
the
rhythm
of
the
case
is
the
law
and
the
evidence
of
that
case.
So
I
don't
see
a
conflict
because
I've
never
prosecuted,
because
the
mayor
or
the
council
tells
me
to
prosecute
a
case
one
way
from
a
county
council
or
even
from
a
city
council.
When
I
was
here
for
ten
years,
I'm.
N
As
I
there's
there's
a
lot
of
pieces
to
this
because
there's
a
management
fee
operating
for
you
lease
fee.
This
is
more
of
an
administration
question
for
your
budget.
Margaret
is
currently
the
office
space
over
there.
It
seems
inadequate
what
I
understand
as
far
as
just
comfort
keep
those
kind
of
things.
J
N
N
N
Because
when
I
was
trying
to
compare
apples
to
apples-
and
it
seems
like
even
if
a
1.15
million
dollar
upgrade
was
done
to
bring
up
the
Class
B
B+
and
compare
it
to
AE
over
here,
which
is
obvious,
it's
about
a
five
dollar
difference.
Twenty
two,
seven
per
square
foot
versus
twenty
seven,
seven
per
square
foot,
which
comes
out
to
about
seventy
five
thousand
a
year
difference
trust.
N
J
N
Over
over
a
ten-year
lease,
we're
talking
about
seven
hundred
fifty
thousand
give
or
take
based
on
a
lot
of
other
factors,
and
so
one
of
the
arguments
from
administration
was
separate
from
the
interlocal
agreement.
This
is
just
about
physically
moving.
The
offices
is
that
the
space
is
needed
elsewhere
has
been
an
analysis
done
on
the
cost
currently,
and
does
it
rise
to
that
level
or
just
it
comparable?
Is
there
a
sense
of
that,
but
relocating
other
city
departments?
J
A
number
of
questions
about
this
and
Patrick
may
have
some
answers.
I
can
give
you
sort
of
a
big
picture,
we're
not,
as
you
point
out
we're
not
comparing
apples
to
apples
and
what
we
are
doing
is
I
mean
this
is
a
budget
increase
in
future
years?
Everybody.
You
know
no
one's
trying
to
hide
that
it's
about
a
half
million
dollar
budget
increase
in
future
years.
J
Again
this
years
can
be
absorbed
and
if
costs
continue
to
be
saved,
then
you
know
that
may
be
an
ongoing
benefit,
but
what
we're
doing
is
locking
in
a
payment
for
the
10-year
term
of
the
agreement.
If
market
conditions
tank
well,
hindsight
might
say
we
might
have
made
a
bad
deal
if
mark
and
market
conditions
continue
to
increase,
we
may
have
made
a
brilliant
deal,
because
we've
got
a
locked-in
rate
because
it's
based
on
the
bond
payment
which,
as
you
know,
only
increased
pursuant
to
the
tables.
J
To
real
estate
services,
thanks
they're
a
little
worried
it's
bringing
down
the
value
of
the
building
as
a
whole.
The
other
floors
have
all
been
updated
more
regularly,
but
so
far
you
know,
insofar
as
the
bonds
are
paid
off
and
we're
holding
on
to
349,
then
it's
really
for
our
benefit
to
renovate
it.
So,
yes,
good
point
Council,
chair,
I'm,
not
talking
about
those
costs,
so
I
haven't
sorry.
I
lost
a
little
bit
track
of
your
question.
I
haven't
done
the
math
on
square
footage.
What
are
we
paying
now?
J
But
the
administration
will
tell
you
they
have
space
constraints,
people
are
bursting
at
the
seams.
We
have
people
sitting
and
you
know:
unvented,
vaults
and
freeing
up
the
fifth
floor
of
349
allows
other
departments
to
reorganize,
consolidate
and
move
over
to
349
where
they
can
work
better,
and
so
that's
a
cost
that,
like
I,
say
I
shared
some
numbers
with
Ben
I,
didn't
kind
of
them
myself
to
come
up
with
a
good
answer,
because
it's
sort
of
a
hard
comparison,
yeah.
N
Don't
doubt
it's
an
upgrade
in
all
areas,
I
mean
don't
get
me
wrong.
It's
not
the
space.
It's
wonderful!
The
question
is
from
the
city
financial
budget
perspective.
What
does
it
make
sense?
Moving
people
in
valid
absent
that
new
vacated
space,
essentially
and
what's
the
cost-benefit
over
ten
years
for
us
basically
so
and.
J
J
Rates
are
increasing.
The
word
on
the
street
I
mean
a
lot
of
what
I
understand
is
anecdotal,
but
let
me
be
clear
a
lot
of
what
I
understood
about
the
prosecutor's
office
before
this
agreement
was
also
anecdotal,
because
I
hear
from
my
colleagues
in
the
defense
and
the
prosecution
bar
about
how
things
are
going,
the
word
on
the
street
as
things
are
going
really
well,
and
you
know
one
thing,
I
regret
in
all
of
this
I
will
tell
you-
is
that
we
didn't
come
up
with
a
really
great
annual
report
or
quarterly
report.
J
They
would
help
you
see
some
of
these
disposition
rates,
the
increase
in
Class
A's
and
how
those
have
been
absorbed.
We've
had
a
good
talk
about
that
and
we're
going
to
be
doing
that
we
did
it
sort
of
as
part
of
our
budget
process,
but
we
haven't
consolidated
that
into
a
nice
document,
for
you,
we're
gonna,
do
that
going
forward
and
I
think
it
will
demonstrate
the
improved
services
if.
H
I
may
just
the,
for
example.
I
can
give
you
some
just
examples.
For
example,
we
had
thousands
and
thousands
of
old
warrants
that
were
in
the
system
when
we
came
in,
we
took
all
those
warrants
out.
We
closed
those
cases
out
which
were
simply
redundant
and
were
bursting
at
the
seams
and
got
rid
of
all
that
old
paper
and
all
that
all
those
cases,
because
they
needed
to
be
done.
That
was
work
that
needed
to
be
done.
H
We
cleared
the
dockets
as
a
result
of
without
having
them
sit
in
our
system,
we've
tried
to
streamline
all
our
processes
in
terms
of
internal
work
functions
and
so
we're
much
more
efficient.
With
that
we
have.
We
have
created
gotten
rid
of
processes
that
were
redundant
internally
to
our
organization.
We
have
made
a
two-year
commitment
and
investment
into
every
attorney
who
comes
in
there
for
their
professional
development
and
continuing
legal
education,
which
is
done
through
the
district
attorney's
office
to
get
that
access
of
that
professional
growth
for
them.
H
H
G
D
E
D
D
D
Okay,
we're
moving
on
to
item
9.
We
do
have
some
time
sensing
board
appointments
at
5:50.
So
our
final
item
before
that
is
the
citizens,
compensation,
Advisory,
Committee,
2018
report
and
recommendations
where
I
believe
we
have
oh
I'm.
So
sorry,
my
there's
a
glare
right
over
where
the
our
hands
are
for
me.
So
we
should
probably
put
these
fellows
on
hold.
If
you
don't
mind
and
we
can
do
our
board
appointments,
could
you
hang
out
with
us
for
a
moment?
D
I
apologize?
We
try
to
be
more
time
sensitive
to
our
board
appointments,
josh
poeple.
If
I've
said
your
last
name
wrong,
joshua,
please
come
up
and
then
we
will
hear
from
matthew
castle
after
that
joshua
it
looks
like
we
are
considering
you
for
appointment
to
the
Bicycle
Advisory
Committee
right,
you're,
a
member
of
district
5,
as
in
you're
a
resident
not
that
we
have
membership
in
my
district,
yes
mayor,
please
introduce
us
well.
G
N
You
mayor
so
for
the
last
20
years,
roughly
I've
been
working
in
the
bike
industry
in
some
capacity
or
another,
primarily
in
bike,
advocacy
or
bike
planning.
I
worked
for
a
consulting
firm
that
really
specialized
in
bicycle
and
pedestrian
projects,
so
I
have
quite
a
quite
a
bit
of
experience
in
that
capacity.
I've
also
lived
and
worked
internationally
in
a
couple
of
cities
such
as
Amsterdam
and
Copenhagen,
which
really
are
usually
presented
as
model
bicycling
cities.
N
So
I've
lived
in
Salt,
Lake
City
now
for
two
years.
During
that
time,
I've
been
a
very
active
bike,
commuter
as
well
as
a
pretty
prominent
recreational
rider,
so
I
feel
like
I,
have
a
very
intimate
knowledge
of
the
city
through
bicycling,
and
also
during
the
two
years
that
I've
been
here.
Excuse
me:
I've
worked
with
bike
Utah
to
help
set
up
their
Salt
Lake
Action
Group,
which
is
supposed
to
be
County,
based,
advocacy,
sort
of
focusing
on
some
of
their
state
work
and
really
bringing
it
down
to
a
local
level.
N
G
N
N
D
You
for
your
willingness
to
serve
on
this
board.
You
you
already
are
in
other
ways
thank
you
for
being
so
engaged
in
this
part
of
our
committee
of
our
community
and
we
are
dedicated
our
Complete
Streets
ordinance
as
a
piece
of
the
way
that
we've
shown
our
dedication
to
expanding
safe
biking
options
around
the
city
as
a
real
means
of
transportation.
So,
as
we
look
at
new
funding
options
for
our
streets,
this
is
this
committee
will
have
an
Packt,
I,
think
real
opportunity
coming
down
the
road.
It's
gonna.
D
D
D
G
So
Matthew
comes
to
us
from
Park
City
Municipal
Corporation
and
has
been
there
since
2008
past
work.
Experience
includes
water
resource
team,
leader
for
project
management,
he's
a
project
manager
for
fours,
Grand
Associates
and
a
project
manager
at
American.
Consulting
engineers
in
Indianapolis
has
a
master's
in
business
administration
and
a
Bachelors
of
Science
and
civil
engineering,
and
really
now
that
the
cat
is
out
of
the
bag,
because
we're
on
TV
we
want
to
make
sure
he
gets
the
spot.
D
D
Q
Small
little
things
I
do
I
was
talking
with
some
people
and
in
2011
Park
City.
When
we
did
our
master
plan
transportation
master
plan,
it
was
based
on
Complete
Streets,
so
I
still
believe
it
was
the
first
Complete
Streets
concept
in
the
state
of
Utah,
so
I've
been
proud
of
that
and
I've
learned
every
day
what
that
means
and
where
we're
going,
I'm
glad
I'm
coming
to
a
city
that
envelops
that
idea
I.
G
D
Our
probable
new
city
engineer
we
like
to
bring
our
our
leadership
in
the
city
into
the
city
as
well,
so
I
can't
recommend
a
real
estate
agent
for
you.
But
I
can
please
consider
that
council
members
anything
for
mr.
castle
I
guess
we
do
have
one
question
around
technology
shape
and
how
that
shapes,
your
job
and
the
approach
of
the
city.
If
you
have
any
feedback,
I'm,
not
sure
what
kind
of
technologies
Park
City
incorporated
into
their
engineering,
but
that's
something
that
we've
been
keen
on.
Okay,.
Q
We've
we
explore
and
we
experiment-
and
we
try
things
especially
in
the
public
engagement.
We
love
to
get
into
the
Internet
area
and
there's
every
week
it
seems,
there's
a
new
app
or
a
new
program.
That's
come
on
and
and
we've
tried
quite
a
few
somewhat
success
acts
some
with
very
little
success,
but
we
keep
trying
and
keep
looking
trying
to
find
the
ones
that
may
one
day
be
the
ones
that
we
ultimately
what.
Q
Q
Know
we've
looked
at
our
roadway
and
we've
struggled
because
one
of
the
things
we
looked
at
was
solar
panels
to
generate
energy
off
of
our
roads
and
off
of
our
sidewalks
in
and
the
world
is
going
towards
sense
or
sensors
everywhere
to
try
to
be
able
to
understand
as
things
moving
as
things
aged
that
you
can
track
and
be
better
prepared
to
replace
and/or
fix
to
do
what
you
ever
need
to
do.
It's
not
fully
there,
but
it's
something
less
growing
and
something
I
always
need
to
keep
our
eye
on.
Q
D
We
look
at
making
some
potential
significant
investments
in
our
roadways.
I
think
we'll
want
to
have
those
considerations
before
us.
So
thank
you
for
this
Thank
You
mayor
for
bringing
this
candidate
before
us
and
we'll
just
as
I
said
to
mr.
Popple.
You
need
not
stick
around.
You
don't
have
to
what
is
it
play
to
win
be
present.
D
Win,
thank
you
during
our
formal
meeting,
so
you
you
may
be
excused
if
you
have
better
things
to
do,
or
you
can
stick
around
for
our
seven
o'clock
pleasure
to
meet
you.
Thank
you
same
here.
Thank
you.
Okay,
CCAC,
come
on
up
sorry,
councilmembers
I,
apologize
to
my
peers
that
we
haven't
had
a
bathroom
break
since
4:15
and
we
probably
aren't
going
to
be
clear.
That's.
D
D
G
D
R
R
We
looked
at
the
world
at
work,
which
is
the
industry
leader
and
what
we
look
at
as
far
as
projections
of
what
cost-of-living
increases
are
going
to
be
just
just
to
be
noted
on
that
that
the
the
national
cost
of
living
increases
have
also
been
extrapolated
down
into
the
local
levels.
Their
project
they
they
actually
last
year
were
3%
projections
for
this
year
are
3.1
percent,
and
that
is
the
the
what
we're
forecasting
on
that.
R
The
next
page
talks
about
Salt,
Lake,
City
turnover,
very
healthy
and
what
the
committee
saw
with
compared
to
the
national
averages
of
turnover,
which
is
eighteen
point
five
really.
What
we
look
at
and
in
the
industry
is
voluntary
turnover
is
the
most
concerning
last
year,
that
was
seven
point.
Six
percent
voluntary
turnover
this
year,
it's
down
to
seven
point
one,
which
is
a
very
healthy
number.
R
You
don't
seem
to
have
any
type
of
issues
with
tracking
fine
candidates
to
Salt
Lake
City.
There
were
fourteen
four
hundred
and
eighteen
recruitments
open
in
2017,
and
you
had
seventeen
and
over
seventeen
and
a
half
thousand
applicants
for
that,
so
a
very
good
picture
of
what
the
turnover
is
and
what
we
reviewed
with
a
CCAC
local
market
comparisons.
R
Again
the
committee
reiterated
to
the
human
resource
and
the
compensation
team
within
the
Salt
Lake
City
is
that
we'd
like
to
see
that
stay
at
95
percent
of
when
we're
doing
our
market
comparability
studies
on
that
setting
that
median
actual
wage
of
the
jobs
that
were
over
being
surveyed
at
ninety
five
percent.
We
think
that's
healthy
and
being
able
to
attract
and
retain
good
talent,
as
we
do
that
the
actual
pay
rates
that
you
can
say
we
look
at.
We
looked
at
the
actual
pay
rates,
as
opposed
to
minimums
and
maximums.
R
We
think
that
gives
us
the
best
comparator
as
you're
doing
the
analysis
across
the
the
industries
that
we're
looking
at
as
they
look
at
that
there's
two
sources
we're
looking
at
one
as
a
local
includes
private
and
public.
The
other
market
sources
for
that
are
mostly
municipal
and
public
entities
that
are
looking
at,
that
we
try
and
we
want
always
take
a
look
and
we
see
where,
in
those
market
compare
abilities,
the
the
benchmarks
are
leading
the
markets,
with
particular
focus
on
the
private
industries.
R
Last
year
there
were
twenty
areas
where
there's
significant
lead
in
those
jobs,
and
this
year
that's
gone
up
to
26,
so
the
Committee
recommends
is
one
of
the
recommendations
is
to
make
sure
that
that
you,
as
leaders
of
the
city
and
the
mayor,
are
considering
looking
at
that
and
what
you
do
and
those
salary
adjustments
doesn't
continue
to
exacerbate.
That
issue.
I
think
I
think
there's
very
many
reasons
that
you
might
want
to
lead
the
market,
but
when
it
gets
continues
to
grow
that
put
some
challenges
on
a
public
workforce
as
well.
R
R
Salazar
is
indicated
as
well
that
that's
a
something
that
you
should
be
commended
on,
that
you've
only
got
two
benchmarks
that
are
significantly
or
slightly
below
where
we're
targeting
the
market
to
be
those
are
the
appointed
city
attorneys
which
the
market,
the
external
market
moved
significantly
last
year
and
the
paralegals
the
next
one
is
a
living
wage.
The
next
section
of
the
report
is
a
living
wage.
R
Last
year
that
was
ten
eighty
seven
for
a
single
individual
for
the
expenditures
and
what
their
projected
to
takes
to
live
in
Salt,
Lake,
City,
a
local
again
comparison,
that's
moved
to
1109
this
year,
as
we
look
in
that,
as
we
made
a
recommendation
from
the
committee.
Instead
of
making
those
adjustments,
you
made
an
adjustment
last
year
to
get
that
to
ten
eighty
seven.
R
Instead
of
making
adjustments
every
year,
we
recommend
that
you
wait
until
there
becomes
a
five
percent
movement
from
your
last
adjustment,
which
would
get
it
to
1141
before
we
would
recommend
again
making
that
living
wage
adjustment.
To
that,
the
last
section
in
there
is
on
gender
pay
equity.
The
committee
considered
a
variety
of
reports.
R
R
It's
there's,
there's
absolutely
work
to
to
be
be
done
with
that.
As
the
committee
looked
at
that
that
area,
the
the
determination
that
we
made
was
that
the
best
comparator
is
in
same
jobs
as
as
opposed
to
similar
jobs.
So
our
recommendation
to
the
council
and
to
the
mayor
is
to
continue
look
at
same
jobs,
much
more
objective
standards
as
you're.
Taking
a
look
at
that.
R
We
also
found
that
as
and
I
think,
we've
made
the
suggestion
to
try
and
find
and
and
quantify
the
differentiators
in
that,
but
where
there
was
discrepancies,
those
discrepancies
did
not
seem
to
be
gender
related.
They
were
mostly
time
and
service
training
and
other
factors
that
are
non
gender
related
so
from
where
that,
while
there
are
certainly
work
to
be
done,
it
is
in
a
better
reflective
state
than
many
others
and.
R
D
G
D
L
Chair,
thank
you
very
much.
I
just
want
to
thank
you.
Both
I'd
had
the
opportunity
to
meet
with
you
and
some
of
the
other
HR
folks
this
morning
to
talk
about
this.
Just
two
points
that
I
made
to
you
there
that
I
want
to
raise
here
for
the
record.
I
just
think
that
it's
important
when
using
certain
surveys
that
we
use
that
we're
consistent
across
the
board
and
not
jump
from
national
to
local,
to
regional,
to
and
back
and
forth.
I.
Think
that
you
know
if
we
don't
have
the
actual
data
I
think
we
can.
L
We
can
state
that
and
clarify
it,
but
I
think
that
the
more
consistent
we
can
be
the
better,
the
better
that
data
is
going
to
to
look
and
as
we
as
we
move
forward
with
the
budget.
I
just
encouraged,
not
only
the
CCAC
but
the
administration
as
well
to
continue
working
with
the
three
bargaining
groups
so
that
when
the
budget
comes
forward,
those
discussions
are
real
discussions
and,
and
that
were
we're
consistent
with
the
intent
of
this
council.
So
thank
you.
I'll.
D
D
And
wit
doesn't
look
like
we
have
any
announcements
so
we're
gonna,
conclude
and
council
members.
I
have
asked
that
we
tell
the
giant
crowd
across
the
hall,
because
it's
cdbg
night
that
we're
not
going
to
start
til
7:15,
so
please
do
eat
and
have
water
and
go
to
the
bathroom
and
then
or
I'll
sit
down
for
another
three
hours
at
7:15
across
the
hall.