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A
A
Unto
the
January
2nd
work
session
of
the
Salt
Lake
City
Council
chris-
is
here
so
the
first
item
on
our
agenda
will
be
the
nomination
of
chair
and
vice-chair
for
calendar
year
2018,
and
then
we
will
also
be
doing
new
seating
assignments
for
2018
as
well.
So
at
this
point,
I
will
turn
time
over
to
our
executive
director
Cindy
gues
Jensen.
Ok,.
B
D
I'd
like
to
I'd
like
to
nominate
our
colleague
council
member
Aaron,
Mendenhall,
we've
had
some
really
great
discussions
with
all
of
our
colleagues
over
the
last
couple
months
about
who
would
fill
stand
shoes
and
you
know
I
think
Aaron
has
you
know
she's
coming
off
of
a
really
strong
re-election,
she's
put
in
a
lot
of
work
over
the
last
four
years
and
I.
Think
I'd
like
to
support
her
in
the
leadership
role
of
this
body
for
the
next
year.
C
This
is
the
beginning
of
my
fifth
year
and
it's
not
my
first
try
at
leadership,
but
I
feel
honored.
That
you'd
nominate
me
and
I
would
be
honored
to
have
your
support.
I've
I
feel
ready
to
do
this.
I've
situated
my
my
home
and
school
life
such
that
I,
as
best
I,
can
anticipate
I'm
ready
to
represent
us
in
that
role.
C
As
chair,
if
you'll
have
me,
we
have
you
know:
we've
carried
our
priorities
over
from
two
years
ago
to
last
year
and
and
I
could
see
how
we
could
continue
with
the
priorities
we
had
before,
because
we
still
have
a
lot
to
do
on
streets,
particularly
and
some
funding
for
officers,
and
these
aren't
going
to
be
any
small
conversation.
So
I
look
forward
to
helping
our
our
newly
elected
members.
E
Nominate
if
that's
okay,
I'm,
not
gonna,
nominate
myself
we'll
make
it
really
easy.
I'm
gonna
nominate,
Charlie,
Luke,
Council
member
Luke.
The
reason
being
is
Aaron
is
Dunham
she's,
a
fantastic
council
member
and
I'm,
not
gonna
slide
her
at
all.
I
just
appreciated
sitting
next
to
you
and
learning
from
you,
but
for
me
personally,
I
think
next
year
is
going
to
be
all
about
legislature
and
for
me
District
one
has
too
much
to
lose
up
with
legislature.
E
A
Thank
you
very
much.
James
I
appreciate
the
support.
Yeah
I
mean
I.
Definitely
am
interested
in
continuing
in
leadership
to
this
next
year
is
Council.
Chair
I
do
think
that
there
has
been
a
lot
that
we
have
set
in
motion
that
is
not
yet
complete.
I
would
like
to
see
some
of
those
items
through
to
to
completion
and
I.
Think
that
you
know
this
is
a.
A
This
is
a
very
important
year,
not
only
in
Salt
Lake
City,
but
as
James
mentioned
with
the
legislature
and
some
of
the
issues
that
we're
facing
a
special
with
extraterritorial
water
rights.
That
is
something
that
is
is
of
great
concern,
as
well
as
as
the
northwest,
quadrant
and
housing,
and
some
of
the
other
issues
that
we've
been
been
talking
about.
So
that's
that's
really.
Why
I,
why
I'm
interested
in
moving
forward
I
do
think
that
you
know
all
of
us
are
qualified
for
this
job.
A
B
Pass
the
ballots
out
in
order
to
can
to
follow
the
open
meeting
law.
We
do
need
you
to
put
your
names
on
the
ballot,
so
you
mark
the
person
and
list
your
name
and
then
their
recorder
and
I
will
read
those
aloud
and
and
for
the
audience.
What
happens
after
this
is
that
the
vote
is
ratified
in
the
formal
meeting.
So
the
current
vice-chair
continues
to
conduct
until
the
ratification.
B
F
F
A
A
So
we're
in
a
it's
a
little
bit
different
this
year
in
that
this
is
really
loud,
I'm
gonna
put
it
way
back
it
or
either
that
or
I
need
to
whisper,
so
usually
the
way
that
leadership
elections
go
will
have
the
person
serving
as
chair
continue
in
that
role
for
the
meeting.
I
would
like
to
turn
the
time
over
to
council
member
Mendenhall
and
turn
the
chair
over
to
her
as
soon
as
we
are
finished
with
the
new
sitting
assignments,
though
so
that
you
can
jump
right
into
this
so
again,
congratulations.
C
C
The
vice
chair
position,
working
with
the
chair,
is
going
to
be
a
learning
curve
for
both
of
us
in
leadership.
I
think
that
you
are
well
equipped
to
do
this,
and
there
are
so
many
intersections
in
your
district
with
the
day
in
and
day
out,
work
and
the
council
and
I
think
that
you're
willing
to
do
this
as
we've
talked
about
it
before
and
I,
think
you'd
be
you'd,
be
fabulous.
G
Did
talk
earlier
and
thank
you
so
much
for
your
confidence
in
me
and
I'm
happy
and
willing
to
serve
and
either
way,
I
hope
that
we
can
a
team
that
it's
transparent
and
that
is
open,
and
that
is
drawing
on
all
the
all
the
talent
that
we
have
here.
I'm
just
honored
to
be
a
part
of
this
body,
and
but
I
can
tell
everyone
that
I
will
I
will
put
my
whole
heart
into
this
and
and
I'm
jumping
with
both
feet.
B
F
B
D
F
They,
okay.
This
is
a
to
be
a
fairly
straightforward
item.
It's
a
text
amendment
for
enforcement
of
the
weeds
chapter.
It
will
affect
two
chapters
of
the
city,
ordinance
chapter
9
in
chapter
21,
a
that's
why
we
have
planning
staff
and
then
Orion
here
from
Building
Services.
He
can
speak
to
the
changes
in
chapter
9.
If
there's
additional
questions
about
that.
Otherwise,
we'll
turn
it
over
to
Kelsi.
To
give
the
background
hi.
H
I'm
kelcie
Lindquist
with
planning
this
is
a
request
to
amend
chapter
21
820,
to
coincide
with
amendments
that
have
occurred
to
the
state
code
pertaining
to
enforcement,
civil
fee
collection
and
noticing.
The
updates
include
clear
language
on
the
noticing
of
the
city's
intent
to
abate
zoning
violations,
collection
of
the
costs
of
abatement,
the
appeals
process
and
the
duties
of
the
roles
of
the
fines
hearing
officer
and
just
as
a
clarification.
The
service
is
not
governed
by
the
Utah
Rules
of
Civil
Procedure
and
we
are
happy
to
answer
any
questions
about
21.
A.
G
I
C
Anybody
else
Orion,
could
you
go
a
little
bit
deeper
in
just
two
or
I'm
sorry?
Is
it
Katie
Kelsey
Kelsey,
either
of
you
on
to
contextualise
this
particular
ordinance
and
and
I
know
that
it
was
it's
not
governed
under
the
same
rules
and
that
we're
bringing
it
into
that
consistency,
but
the
part
about
the
civil
enforcement
Department
being
able
to
issue
tax
liens
yeah.
I
C
I
C
F
C
I
C
F
Yeah
they're
handled
differently.
So,
as
you
sort
of
say,
a
fine
gets
paid
and
is
judgment
against
the
person.
Tax
liens
are
used
specifically
to
compensate
for
cleanup
costs.
So,
for
example,
if
you
have
a
property
that
gets
into
a
really
bad
state
of
disrepair,
the
city
goes
to
court
gets
a
judgment
that
allows
them
to
go
onto
the
property
and
perform
the
cleanup
the
purposes
the
tax
lien
is
to
recover
the
costs
for
cleaning
the
property,
not
for
paying
the
fine
that
has
accrued
over
X
number
of
years.
C
C
C
That's
right
because
I'm
looking
at
the
wrong
agenda
item,
so
bear
with
me
we're
on
to
number
three,
which
is
an
informational
discussion
on
inclusionary
zoning
research,
and
we
will
have
Nick
stay
with
us.
Melissa
Jensen,
the
director
of
hand
and
Shawn
Murphy
with
hand
and
anyone
else,
who's
planning
to
join
us.
F
J
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
So
much
welcome
new
councilmembers
and
congratulations
again
to
our
returning
Council
members.
We're
happy
to
have
you
and
get
started,
and
this
year
and
we've
certainly
picked
a
great
topic
to
start
with
inclusionary
zoning.
It
is
I'll
start
by
saying
it
can
be
a
very
divisive
topic
for
communities
from
advocates
and
developers,
private
sector,
public
sector,
etc.
And
so
as
we
prepared
this
transmittal,
we
really
wanted
to
lay
it
out
in
a
way
where
we
were
exploring
many
of
our
options
and
have
a
open
conversation.
J
So
as
we
go
forward,
we
can
both
engage
with
you,
the
council,
as
well
as
our
community,
as
we
continue
to
dissect,
which,
if
any
policies
would
be
suitable
for
Salt,
Lake
City.
So
with
that
in
mind,
I
think
that
we
have
just
a
couple
of
goals
today
and
that
you
could
help
us
with
and
as
we
go
through.
J
The
presentation
I
think
one
thing
to
consider
is
is
to
help
us
get
a
better
understanding
of
any
areas
and
policies
of
interest
that
the
council
has,
as
you
go
through
some
of
the
different
examples
and
then
any
issues
or
concerns.
As
well
as
any
questions
that
we
may
need
to
answer
going
forward,
what
we
know
about
inclusion
Aires
owning
around
the
country
is
that
it
takes
quite
a
bit
of
resources,
staff
resources,
community
engagement
resources,
etc.
J
So
I
think
as
we
go
forward,
we
want
to
be
really
cognizant
about
the
direction
so
that
we
can
make
sure
that
we
appropriately
resource
it
within
our
division.
So,
of
course,
this
is
going
to
be
one
of
many
conversations,
but
we
wanted
to
frame
it
in
this
way
so
that
we
could
make
sure
that
we
all
go
forward
together
on
the
right
path.
K
Thank
You
Moza,
one
of
the
things
to
think
about
with
inclusionary
zoning
is
that
this
is
one
of
those
policies
that
many
municipalities
take
on
and
looks
a
little
bit
different
in
virtually
every
one
of
them.
There
are
hundreds
of
programs
around
the
country.
Over
the
last
three
decades,
inclusionary
zoning
programs
have
produced
probably
175,000
units
around
the
country
and
very
few
programs
look
exactly
the
same
in
a
grand
scheme.
It
is
a
way
of
saying
a
municipality
saying
for
each
unit
or
certain
number
of
units
of
development.
K
A
developer
builds
they're
going
to
contribute
to
the
affordable
housing
stock.
Typically
one
on-site
unit,
one
off-site
unit,
which
might
be
around
the
corner,
it's
typically
important
to
have
it
sort
of
in
the
same
neighborhood,
or
a
contribution
to
your
Housing,
Trust
Fund
or
a
land
donation,
and
that
varies
a
lot
based
on
what
the
development
community
has.
What
the
economics
of
your
city
are.
That's
really
important.
K
It's
probably
one
of
the
biggest
drivers,
and
then
also
the
politics
of
the
state
and
of
the
city
are
huge
drivers
of
what
can
work
with
any
type
of
inclusionary
programming.
The
one
of
the
things
that
don't
end
up,
one
of
the
things
that
really
drives
it
is
this
payment
in
lieu
of
development
under
options.
It's
something
that
a
number
of
council
members
have
brought
up
that
want
to
be
included
in
any
type
of
incentives
and
options
or
requirements
that
we're
placing
on
new
development
and
some
municipalities.
Don't
do
that.
I!
K
Think
that
the
reason
they
don't
is
because
they
not
all
municipalities,
have
high
functioning
Housing,
Trust,
Funds
or
something
like
it.
I
think
our
Housing
Trust
Fund
operates
very
efficiently
and
very
well
and
has
a
great
reputation
so
that
I
think
any
of
these
options
here,
something
that
we
would
really
consider
again
there.
There
are
programs
around
the
country,
though,
and
they
all
vary
in
scale
in
shape
and
in
size
a
little,
but
most
of
the
states
in
the
country
now
have
some
type
of
inclusionary
program
operating
either
mandatory
or
voluntary.
K
K
One
of
the
things
that
a
lot
of
cities
have
gotten
caught
up
in
is
having
varying
requirements
and
varying
expectations
on
development
in
different
parts
of
the
city
and
the
more
convoluted
it
is,
then
the
more
difficult
it
is
for
developers
to
understand
it
and
the
harder
it
is
to
track
over
time.
So,
policies
that
get
to
very
specific
target
areas
is
one
way
to
do
it.
K
You
can
either
do
it
across
an
entire
city
or
you
can
say
we're
gonna,
have
it
in
this
special
special
geographic
area
that
has
been
done
by
census,
tracts
in
some
cities,
by
zoning
districts,
in
some
cities
and
by
project
type
multifamily,
for
instance,
or
missing
middle
housing.
Those
zoning
types
might
be
targeted.
K
Mandatory
versus
voluntary
voluntary
programs
need
very,
very
strong
incentives
in
order
to
work.
There
are
some
voluntary
programs
around
the
country
and
even
in
Utah
that
haven't
produced
any
units
at
all,
and
so
mandatory
programs
that
have
a
bevy
of
options
to
developers
as
to
how
to
comply
with
that
regulation
are
typically
those
that
actually
function,
and
then
one
of
the
one
of
the
other
things
to
think
about
is
that
a
lot
of
criticisms
for
the
last
decade
about
inclusionary
zoning
is
that
it
hasn't
solved
housing
and
it
won't.
J
As
we
contemplated
growing
SLC,
we
felt
it
was
a
really
really
critical
piece
to
look
at
and
because
there
is
so
much
information
about
how
it's
been
rolled
out
in
other
cities,
I
think
it
can
be
very
informative.
As
we
look
at
it.
We
also
know
it's
really
important
to
much
of
our
advocacy
community
as
they
go
forward
and
in
the
transmittal
attached
was
a
consultant
reports
to
that
end,
and
so
we
wish
we
could
come
here
and
say
this
is
the
city?
J
That's
done
it
the
best
and
produce
the
most
units,
but
we
know
that
every
city-
it
has
been
an
uphill
struggle
to
get
this
on
the
ground
in
a
way
that
is
really
really
smooth
and
efficient.
So
I
think
to
on
the
other
side
of
the
page,
you
kind
of
see
what
it
takes
to
not
only
have
a
really
sound
policy,
but
implementation.
If
you
can
get
to
a
place
where
you
feel
really
good
about
a
policy,
you
still
have
the
implementation
components
of
compliance
tracking
building
services.
J
Planning
I
mean
all
of
those
pieces
have
to
be
part
of
the
puzzle
for
it
to
work
internally
and
to
really
have
the
effect
that
you
want.
It
can
be
seen
as
two
Shawn's
point
either.
Really
it
can
be
viewed
at
times
as
a
punitive
measure
or
a
sort
of
incentive,
and
we've
also
seen
combinations
where
it
is
required
and
incentivized
and
we'll
talk
about
that
a
little
bit
more
as
we
go
on.
C
J
He
was
recently
challenged
in
Los
Angeles,
where
community
brought
it
forward
and
said
it
was.
You
know
that
they
couldn't
do
inclusionary
zoning
and
that
was,
and
they
sided
with
the
inclusionary
zoning
policy,
and
that's
just
the
most
recent
case
and
I.
Think
Nick
could
probably
tell
us
a
little
bit
more
if
needed
on
that
one,
but
to
Sean's
point.
Thank
you.
A.
K
Spotty
application
once
programs
are
rolled
out,
some
of
the
things
that
that
end
up
being
failures
in
those
programs
are
something
like
spotty
applications.
So
in
the
transmittal
we
discuss
and
do
a
very,
very
rudimentary
model
of
what
an
inclusionary
zoning
program
might
have
produced
a
number
of
affordable
units
in
the
TSA,
since
the
creation
of
the
TSA
zone
and
Nick
Norris
and
planning
are
quick
to
point
out
that
you
know
our
zoning
density
and
allowable
uses
adjoining
the
TSA
are
very
comparable
to
the
TSA.
K
So
if
we
had
a
zoning
program
that
was
in
one
target
area,
but
developers
could
simply
sidestep
that
a
block
away
and
build
something
very
similar,
then
the
application
has
holes
in
it
and
so
making
sure
that
we
have
a
uniform
and
consistent
layout,
particularly
if,
if
the
city
was
interested
in
a
targeted
approach
or
an
Icee
program
that
had
specific
boundaries
around
it.
That's
something
really
important
to
think
about.
K
The
uncoordinated
up.
Zoning
is
something
that
a
number
of
cities
have
have
had
difficulty
with,
and
it's
something
that
we
need
to
consider
here
as
well
that
many
of
the
the
zones
where
we
would
expect
or
target
inclusionary
zoning
either
downtown
the
TSA.
For
instance,
there
might
not
be
development
desire
to
build
any
higher
than
what
is
being
built
right
now
and
frequently.
One
of
the
the
best
options
and
best
incentives
you
can
provide
to
a
developer
is
to
give
them
a
density.
Bonus
say
if
you're
gonna
build
another
floor.
K
I've
we
allowed
you
to
build
another
or
on
this
building
we
would
want
half
of
the
units
of
one
floor
to
be
designated
affordable.
You
can
only
do
that
if
the
market
is
already
building
to
the
threshold
of
what
your
density
is
in
that
zone
and
so
that
that
gets
into
a
lot
of
nuance
in
detail
about
specific
application
and
specific
zoning,
but
it's
something
that
wouldn't
need
to
be
considered
very
very
closely
and
then.
K
Additionally,
monitoring,
like
Melissa,
mentioned
that
municipalities
that
have
successful
programs
have
an
entire
team
that
work
on
inclusionary.
Zoning
here
would
be
a
little
bit
different.
We're
not
the
size
of
Montgomery
County,
we
don't
have
a
million
residents,
but
that's
something
that
we
also
don't
do
right
now.
We
have
compliance
in
place
through
finance
and
when,
whenever
we're
giving
money
out
through
the
Housing,
Trust
Fund
or
if
developers
getting
state
funds,
there
is
a
auditing
process
to
make
sure
that
they're
compliant.
J
Think
we
hear
a
lot
of
you
know.
We've
we've
listed
just
a
few
of
the
common
criticisms
that
we
hear
from
our
community
in
terms
of
their
concerns
around
isay
policies,
inclusionary
zoning,
and
that
is,
namely
the
increasing
of
it's
going
to
inflate,
already
skyrocketing
rental
prices.
It
will
hinder
development
or
it
will
move
just
outside
of
the
boundary.
Even
if
it
was
citywide,
Salt,
Lake
City,
then
perhaps
people
would
go
just
to
South,
Salt
Lake
or
some
of
the
other
adjacent
cities.
J
I
think
a
criticism
that
that
we
would
see
is
that
it
doesn't
meet
our
highest
need
population,
which
is
the
40%
ami
on
below.
It
is
generally
targeted
towards
that
60
and
80%
ami,
as
this
council
is
aware,
and
of
course
hand
is
as
well,
we
need
housing
for
all
types,
but
we
know
our
greatest
need
is
that
very
low-income
we
find
around
the
country
if
you're
40%
am
I
am
below.
J
J
So
we
wanted
to
share
just
obviously
some
of
the
things
we
hear
from
both
sides
to
give
you
a
sense
of
the
variety
of
things
that
come
out
from
communities
as
we've
seen,
it
then
be
implemented
around
the
country.
I
think
some
further
policy
considerations
and
we'll
have
plenty
of
time
for
questions
here.
We
just
want
to
go
through
these
last
few
pages.
I
think
it
offers
a
lot
as
well,
and
we
can
understand
why,
in
a
time
when
we
are
facing
limited
resources,
federal
funding
is
continuing
to
decrease.
J
It
is
a
policy
direction
that
can
be
taken
with
no
resources.
However,
we
know
that
that
is
not
the
best
practice.
It
usually
is
aligned
with
some
incentive,
but
it
certainly
provides
some
system-wide
equity
in
terms
of
where
housing
is
built,
which
has
been
a
certainly
we've
heard
that
from
this
council,
in
terms
of
making
sure
that
it
is
distributed
evenly.
K
It
can
help
bring
new
units
to
the
market
that
are
going
to
be
online
for
50
years
or
the
the
term
of
the
building
and
allow
the
city
to
be
more
focused
with
its
other
monies
on
on
that
acquisition,
the
the
rehabilitation
and
sort
of
similarly
on
that
that,
along
with
it
being
new
construction,
it's
also
built
right
alongside
the
rest
of
wherever
new
construction
is
going
in
the
city.
So
there's
a
neighborhood
continuity.
K
That's
something
that
council
members
have
expressed
over
time
is
concern
over
one
concentrating
affordable
units
in
their
own
standalone
developments,
but
then
also
what
does
in
affordable
housing
development.
Look
like
and,
frankly,
I
think
that
the
modern
examples
that
we
have
of
income
restricted
units
around
the
city
are
great,
but
this
is
even
more
in
line
with
that,
because
they're
going
to
be
with
the
same
facades
and
everything
else
that
are
going
on
the
market
at
$500,000,
so.
J
You
can
see
a
lot
of
this
and
then,
of
course,
again
talking
about
the
income
it.
There
are
a
lot
of
benefits
of
what
as
well,
which
is
why
we
see
it
widely
used
around
the
country.
I.
Don't
want
to
underestimate
that
fact
that
if
you
look
at
the
map
on
the
first
couple
of
pages,
it
is
a
widely
used
policy.
So
cities
have
looked
at
this
and
thought
this
is
the
way
we
want
to
do
it.
J
We
just
want
to
be
really
clear
about
some
of
the
challenges
that
we
might
see
and
that
also
realizing
that
each
city
has
found
its
own
size
right.
Not
every
city
is
doing
this
the
same,
and
that's
really
speaks
to
ability
and
impact
I.
Think,
as
we
think
about
our
circumstances
in
in
Utah
in
our
political
environment,
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
considering
that
as
policy
guidance
as
we
go
forward.
K
Couple
of
examples
that
that
there
are,
there
are
many
examples:
I'm
happy
to
supply
council
staff
with
all
the
research
that
hand
has
been
looking
at
in
considering
this,
but
Montgomery
County's
had
one
of
the
longest
running
programs.
It's
also,
interestingly,
a
program
that
has
changed
over
time.
There
have
been
additions
and
modifications,
as
it
goes
on
from
1974
until
today,
but
there's
never
been
a
whole
scale.
K
We're
cutting
this
program
and
we're
gonna,
give
it
a
hiatus
and
we're
gonna
come
back
to
the
drawing
board.
They
have
had
a
program
in
place
that
has
been
producing
units
every
single
year
since
1974,
even
even
in
in
downturns
around
that
us
had
economic
downturns,
but
the
DC
market
was
still
strong
and
there
was
still
housing
production,
but
one
of
the
biggest
years
that
they
had
was
1984,
where
there
was
no
development
going
on
anywhere
else
in
the
country.
But
to
date
yes,
I
think.
K
K
K
E
E
E
E
K
K
E
Others,
if
you're,
okay
with
that,
okay,
so
your
your
data
here
that
you
showed
in
2002
2009,
there
were
45%
of
all,
not
all,
but
we
had
45
percent
of
isay
zones
implemented
right
2010
to
today,
it's
8%!
Why
is
that?
Why
is
it
for
the
first
nine
years,
there's
45%,
you
know
it's
statistic
and
then,
after
that,
it's
only
eight
of
implementation
can.
E
E
E
K
K
E
E
E
E
And
so
Shawn
my
point:
is
you
look
at
you
look
at
the
map
basically,
and
you
take
Park
City
out
of
it.
You
know
it's
basically
on
the
coast
right
that
you've
got
these
inclusionary
zoning
I
mean
you
have
someone.
It
looks
like
in
Texas,
but
they're
fewer
one.
Two
three
I
mean
you
look
in
the
in
the
middle
of
the
United
States
you're.
Looking
at
one
two
three,
and
and
for
me
it's
not
that
I'm,
not
in
favor
of
it.
E
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
this
is
a
unique
opportunity
for
for
Salt
Lake
City,
but
it's
also
unique
opportunity
for
the
state,
because
Salt
Lake
City
as
you're
well
aware,
we
were
just
we're
encompassed
by
other
municipalities
that
are
not
going
to
do
this,
and
if
we
do
this,
it
could
affect
potentially
the
growth
of
Salt,
Lake
City
and
that's
that's.
My
main
concern
is
because
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
growing
and
not
forcing
developers
to
grow
when
we
see
South,
Salt,
Lake
and
they're.
E
K
You
and,
and
a
point
very
well
taken
not
taken
lightly.
One
of
the
other
things
that
councilmember
Rogers
I
asked
you
to
consider
is
that
when
the
council
has
questions
or
is
coming
up
with
ideas
for
what
they
might
want
to
see,
it's
hard
it's
hard
to
put
together,
realistic
or
meaningful
model
for
what
this
could
or
may
do,
whether
it
produces
or
pushes
out
or
impacts
market
rate
development
without
some
very
specific
metrics
and
and
parameters
around
that
kind
of
a
study.
K
There
are
just
so
many
different
options
that
the
city
could
employ
in
implementing
this,
that,
if
you
don't
have
some
type
of
consensus
on
what
it
is
that
that
you're,
even
thinking
about
then
modeling,
it
just
is
kind
of
futile
to
that
point,
about
sort
of
the
start
and
stop
nature
of
some
of
these
programs.
The
second
example
from
Seattle
they're
on
their
third
program
in
2017.
They
started
a
new
program
that
focused
mandatory
inclusionary
zoning
in
the
downtown
core.
K
They
liked
the
way
that
went
and
they
now
expanded
that
to
much
of
the
rest
of
the
city
but
they're,
also
including
virtually
a
citywide
up
zone
that
comes
with
it.
They've
got
this.
This
is
after
two
programs
had
a
lot
of
pushback
and
they
ultimately
cut
and
walked
away
from
there
they're
also
expecting
over
the
next
ten
years
that,
through
their
inclusionary
zoning
program,
they're
gonna
produce
about
10,000
units.
6,000
of
those
are
going
to
come
in
mandatory
areas
and
then
another
4,000,
just
through
incentives.
So.
J
J
C
D
First
I'd
like
to
thank
you
both
for
this
work.
I
know
you
put
a
lot
of
effort
into
these
policies
that
we're
going
to
be
considered
and
we'll
be
considering
over
the
next
year
and
some
so
thank
you.
I
would
like
to
speak
to
the
concern
that
James
brought
up,
because
when
we
talk
about
housing
in
Salt,
Lake
City
at
the
end
of
the
day,
our
big
issues
that
we
just
don't
have
enough
stock.
D
We
don't
have
enough
housing
units
period,
whether
they're,
affordable
or
market
rate,
and
so
I
want
to
be
mindful
of
the
potential
to
stunt
growth
and
I.
Don't
know
if
that
will
be
the
case,
but
I
just
want
to
that's
a
fear
that
I
think
is
shared
among
some
of
us
here,
and
so
any
information
that
you
can
provide
us
that
will
either
make
us
feel
better
or
cement
our
concerns.
It
would
probably
be
helpful
for
this
body.
D
I
would
like
to
say
as
well
in
addition
to
that
that
last
year,
mid
summer,
sometime
I
was
thumbing
through
a
report
from
the
Brookings
Institute
and
they
have
a
metro
policy
program
of
some
sort.
That
does
a
ton
of
research
on
municipalities
and
urban
centers
and
one
of
the
key
takeaways
that
I've
had
from
that
was
that
metros
that
have
inclusionary
policies
and
policies,
broadly
speaking,
that
promote
inclusion,
whether
it's
housing
policy
or
something
else,
they
tend
to
have
higher
rates
of
upward
mobility,
which
leads
to
more
economic
development.
D
D
If
not,
it
may
be
worthwhile
just
to
have
a
conversation
with
somebody,
who's
doing
housing,
economics
and
you
know,
get
some
feedback
there,
because
I
think
in
this
state
in
particular,
the
economic
argument
tends
to
hold
more
water
than
the
social
justice
argument,
and
so
that
may
help
us
when
we're
having
conversations
with
our
colleagues
at
the
state
legislature.
So
that
being
said,.
D
What
kind
of
outreach
or
feedback
have
you
received
from
the
development
community
so
far?
And
what
do
you
intend
to
do
going
forward
because
I
think
the
big
concern
that
I'm
hearing
is
primarily
from
in-state
developers
about
the
point
that
James
brought
up
and
on
the
other
hand,
the
broader
community
is
expressing
support
for
an
inclusionary
policy
to
me,
including
out-of-state
developers,
and
so
it
is
kind
of
a
mixed
bag
going
into
this
conversation.
So
just
any
input
that
you
can
provide
as
far
as
what
the
development
community
has
to
say
would
be
great.
Thank.
J
You
that's
a
great
question:
councilmember
kitchen,
we've
done
two
things
initially
and
the
first
is
we.
We
just
launched
a
survey
to
be
open-ended
for
as
long
as
we're
continuing
to
have
this
conversation.
It's
very
high
level,
and
it
certainly
would
not
be
the
extent
of
our
public
engagement,
but
just
to
get
a
sense
of
where
community
is
that
in
general
and
and
not
survey
does
not
have
a
ton
of
responses.
It'll
continue
to
be
open,
but
we'll
use
it
as
a
guide
and
and
there
you're
seeing
a
mixed
bag.
J
We've
only
had
about
a
hundred
respondents,
which
is
not
substantial
from
our
development
community.
What's
interesting
is
that
in
a
lot
of
communities
around
and
especially
on
the
coasts,
all
of
their
affordable
housing
developers
are
nonprofits,
but
in
our
community
the
majority
of
our
affordable
housing
developers
are
private
developers,
and
so
we
do
hear
from
our
community
that
is
building
affordable
housing
that
they
are
not
particularly
in
favor
of
it.
They've
we've
heard
that-
and
this
is
me
speaking
anecdotally.
J
So
this
is
not
you
know
peer-reviewed
research,
but
but
what
I
hear
in
my
conversations
is
they?
They
don't
think
that
it
would
they
wouldn't
move
right
outside
the
city
or
the
zone
that
that
wouldn't
be
the
driver.
However,
it
would
they
believe
that
it
would
increase
the
market
rent
prices,
and
so
that
is
one
of
the
loudest
arguments.
That
I
hear
in
terms
of
their
fear
is
that
it's
going
to
continue
to
inflate
and
already
unaffordable
City
for
most
of
our
population.
J
L
J
Preliminary
conversations
it
is
very
clear
that
under
no
circumstances
would
it
be
successful
without
an
incentive.
So
there
is
a
lot
of
pushback
towards
that
notion
in
general.
So
if
you
just
were
to
do
a
mandatory
policy
with
absolutely
no
incentive,
then
for
sure
you
would
see
marketplaces
inflate
and
it
would
sort
of
begin
to
have
developers
looking
elsewhere
and
housing
anywhere
whose
development
recognizes
that
the
best
practice
really
is
to
pair
the
two
together,
and
so
even
with
that,
you
don't
get
as
strong
as
opposition,
but
they
don't
believe
it
is
the
best
solution.
J
L
C
To
follow
up
on
that
with
whether
or
not
you've
had
it
doesn't
sound
like
yet,
you've
had
conversations
with
employers
who
are
looking
for
housing
for
their
employees
in
that
60
to
80
percent
range
that
the
eysie
seems
to
fill.
It's
not
I,
don't
think
it's
just
about
the
development
community.
We're
really
trying
to
recruit
or
get
more
centralized
opportunities
for
work
and
and
residency
for
businesses
here
so
I,
wonder
I,
guess
perhaps
for
a
follow-up
for
a
future
discussion.
C
I'd
like
to
hear
if
these
other
cities
who
have
gone
through
public
processing
and
outreach
stakeholder
building,
how
they've
interacted
with
major
employers
in
the
city
or
also
I,
think
it
feeds
into
Derek's
point
about
bringing
economic
development
and
to
give
a
person
that
perspective
to
it,
but
also
to
open
the
door,
perhaps
for
conversations
with
employers
that
I
think
that
department
in
the
city
definitely
has
a
closer
finger
on
the
pulse
of
their
housing
needs
from
the
employment
sector.
I
think.
J
That
there
is
going
to
be
a
need,
probably,
and
it
will
be
helpful-
and
this
is
helpful
for
me
to
hear
from
you
all
in
terms
of
hand-
could
certainly
do
a
more
formalized
outreach
approach
in
terms
of
thoughts
around
I,
Z,
etc.
If
there
is,
especially
as
it
relates
to
a
specific
type.
So
if
the
council
feels
like
there
is
one
area
that
they're
more
interested
in
getting
feedback
on
or
another,
because
I
think
all
of
those
things
are
really
critical
to
provide
a
picture
of
what
our
community
thinks.
J
K
J
L
L
Because
one
of
my
questions
is
when
you
pair,
although
the
voluntary
ones
as
far
as
the
data
shows
that
I'm
very
successful
as
ours
numbers
go
right,
we
know
that
a
lot
of
developers
here
at
least
we've
heard
that
they're
not
interesting
going
over
six
stories,
because
it's
not
worth
their
time
right.
Our
cost,
so
density
bonus
is
probably
don't
work
in
a
lot
of
the
city.
If
you
were
to
say,
there's
a
financial
kick
in
or
pay
a
buyout
of
the
requirement.
What
is
the
offset
we'd
have
to
add
to
that
right?
L
Does
it
still
make
it
feasible
for
them?
Does
it
make
them
more
lucrative
for
them
to
help?
Do
this
I
think
it'd
be
helpful
for
me
if
we
could
get
some
idea
of
a
model
or
models
and
these
recommendations
in
here
about
different
funding
sources
and
types
put
some
numbers
to
it
and
get
a
better
sense
of
exactly
what
we're
looking
at.
So
from
a
developer
and
I'm
told
inclusionary.
Zoning
I
have
various
models
in
my
head,
perhaps
or
none
just
the
idea
of
it.
It's
much
different
to
say.
L
L
Different
ideas
have
a
more
tangible
and
focused
discussion
on
this,
because,
in
the
end,
the
idea
of
it
I
think
we
get
caught
up
in
the
high
concept
of
where
are
they
going
to
move
because
it's
less
incentivize,
it's
a
more
expensive.
It's
a
fair
all
these
kind
of
questions
come
in
without
having
some
nuts
and
bolts
specific
decisions.
I
think
this
is,
in
my
view,
part
of
a
larger
housing
discussion,
because
if
you
look
at
places
nearest
their
having
very
dense
development,
where
is
it
going?
L
It's
going
along
tracks
lines
right,
fixed
rail,
it's
not
about
the
the
city's
incentive,
it's
about
access
to
transit,
and
that
should
be
part
of
our
discussion
as
well.
This
doesn't
solve
our
40%
below
right.
However,
it
does
hit
a
section
we
haven't
talked
about.
It
also
means,
if
you
have
incentives
that
are
in
lieu
of
you,
can
take
some
of
that
money
and
use
it
to
anything
else
you
might
need
which
could
help
other
areas
right.
L
That's
why
I
think
this
is
a
great
discussion
worth
having,
especially
in
sense
of
a
very
good
small
geographic
City
that
is
fairly
I,
also
built
out,
there's
not
a
ton
of
just
land
sitting
vacant
right.
We
don't
have
a
lot
of
time
place
to
add
X,
there's
some
unique
sort
of
pieces
to
this,
and
so
it'd
be
nice
to
see
a
couple
models.
Some
numbers
put
to
it
get
a
sense
of
how
those
would
actually
look
for
a
developer.
That's
we
had
to
have
discussions
going
forward.
It's.
A
You,
madam
chair,
so
a
couple
of
things
that
I'm
interested
in
seeing
back
while
I
do
have
some
concerns
about
the
fact
that
we
are,
you
know,
surrounded
by
wall-to-wall
cities
and
that
you
know
the
the
creep
for
a
developer
is
to
just
decide
to
move
directly
outside
the
boundaries,
as
you
mentioned
earlier
in
your
comments
is
a
real
one.
I
mean
we
deal
with
that
all
the
time
with
economic
development
in
particular,
we
do
have
a
history
of
developers,
land,
banking
in
the
city.
Just
look
at
Main
Street.
Look
at
this
effort!
A
Look
at
some
of
these
other!
You
know
key
buildings
that
that
we
have
that
are
that
are
and
have
been
land
banked
for
decades,
so
I'm,
while
I'm
somewhat
concerned
about
you,
know
just
the
idea
and
the
concept
of
inclusionary
zoning
in
and
of
itself,
I
I'm.
Very
supportive,
though
of
looking
at
incentives
and
and
having
an
incentive
based
zoning
and
looking
at
different
tools
that
we
can
look
at
to
andrew's
point
yeah.
A
I
think
a
lot
of
the
the
key
housing
developments
that
we're
seeing
right
now
or
on
light
rail,
because
that's
where
it
makes
a
lot
of
sense
plus
your
you
know,
those
developers
are
using
the
transit,
oriented
development,
zoning
incentives,
they're
there
and
so
I
do
think
that
incentives
do
make
sense.
I.
Don't
think,
though,
that
we
just
need
to
be
looking
at
at
financial
incentives,
especially
in
the
downtown
area,
when
we're
looking
at
density
density
makes
sense
to
me
where
we
already
have
existing
infrastructure
to
support
it.
A
We
have
that
downtown.
We
have
that
in
our
transit
zones,
what
I
would
be
looking
interested
in
seeing
some
ideas
of,
and
if
there
are
other
cities
that
have
done
this.
Looking
at
different
policy
and
zoning
incentives,
for
example,
removing
height
limitations,
you
know
would
be
one
of
them
looking
at
increased
density
and
in
doing
things
that
the
current
zoning
doesn't
allow,
but
it
would
be
an
incentive
for
a
developer
to
come
in
and
say
yeah,
you
know
look,
we
can
go
up
an
additional.
You
know
few
stories
if
we
provide
this
type
of
housing.
A
Those
are
some
of
the
things
that
I'm
interested
in
seeing
I.
Think
if
we,
if
we
simply
start
coming
in
and
saying,
every
single
housing
development
in
the
city
has
to
have
X
number
of
affordable
units
will
drive
developers
outside
I,
think
outs,
out-of-state
developers
currently
couldn't
you
know,
can
do
exactly
what
they're
talking
about
if
they're
willing
to
do
it.
K
In
terms
I
haven't
found
one
that
is,
that
is
a
really
even
pair
and
that's
partially
because
of
our
relatively
small
geographic
footprint
and
seemingly
porous
boundaries.
That's
that's
one
of
one
of
the
the
key
drivers.
There
I
think
it's
something
we'll
continue
to
look
for
as
we
sort
of
comb
through
options.
Okay,.
G
J
Terms
of
the
long-term
funding
source-
yes,
yes,
so
just
some
quick
background
on
that
councilmember
Wharton.
They
Finance
Committee,
met
in
the
spring
two
years
ago
and
kind
of
laid
out
what
they
really
thought
were
viable
solutions,
and
so
that
is
where
I
would
spend
initial,
and
that
is
what
is
reflected
in
growing
SLC
in
terms
of
what
our
development,
finance
and
advocacy
community
thought
were
viable
sources
that
would
actually
produce
units.
H
Keep
madam
chair
a
couple
of
questions.
One
is
piggybacking
off
of
something
that
councilmember
Luke
said
can
as
you're
looking
at
sort
of
these
other
incentives
outside
of
simply
financial
incentives.
Fast-Tracking
permits
are
fast-tracking
building.
Is
that
feasible
and
possible
for
us
to
look
at
as
an
incentive?
Is
that
something
where
we
have
already
looked
at?
Is
that
going
along
with
what
miss?
What
councilmember
Luke
said?
Well,.
H
K
And
so
all
sort
of
all
of
the
downtown
core
is
now
mandatory
and
it's
got
the
highest
density
bonus
and
that's
sort
of
emanating
out
from
there
is
where
it
tapers
off
and
I,
don't
even
know
if
West
Seattle
has
really
any,
except
for
a
long
new
transportation
corridor.
But
when
you
get
into
the
really
exclusively
single-family
home
character
or
duplex
neighborhoods,
then
that's
where
they've
got
the
incentive
based
requirements
and.
J
H
Are
they
is
Seattle?
Sorry,
madam
chair,
but
are
they
one
of
the
areas
that
does
nonprofit
builders
that
uses
nonprofit
builders
to
developers
to
do
this,
or
do
they
have
for-profit
developers
as
well?
I
just
feel
like
I
know
this
is
new,
and
so,
though
I
doubt
there's
a
lot
of
data
right
now,
but
I
think
it
would
be
interesting
to
look
at
what
their
feed
was
from
different
developers
and
different
community
members,
as
we
are
looking
at
these
two
different
models
and
kind
of
seen
what
what
they
saw.
L
More
question,
madam
chair
about
staffing
numbers:
we
had
a
discussion
during
the
eighty
disco
period
back
about
what
does
planning
need
to
have
an
Adu
ordinance
effectively
done
in
an
enforced
right,
and
he
said
that
most
cities
who
have
these
have
multiple
staff.
Plural.
We
have
a
sense
of
how
many
you
are
these
cities
and
what
their
demands
are
on
staff
time.
Is
that
part
of
what
you
don't?
Look
that
already
here.
J
L
C
L
E
C
C
Andrew
and
Derek
both
wanted
to
know
about
future
outreach
and
and
I
want
to
know
about
at
what
point
we
bring
in
employers
to
that
Andrew
talked
about
creating
more
tangible
models
for
feedback.
When
we
throw
the
wide
net,
we
can
get
a
why
array
of
responses
that
can
ultimately
influence
where
we
go,
but
that
might
be
quite
different
if
we
were
more
articulate
in
the
beginning.
Charlie
talked
about
enumerated
those
incentives
early
on
also
and
Amy
for
all
of
us
to
consider
and
Amy
talked
about
what
feedback
looking
at
other
cities.
C
Maybe
you
could
bring
us
some
examples
from
the
broader
national
conversation
when
we
get
to
the
part
about
looking
at
different
models,
whether
it's
voluntary
or
involuntary
and
in
lieu
of
or
not.
So
we
can
consider
that
broader
developer
context,
because
certainly
we
want
to
entice
developers
who
aren't
here
yet
to
I
think
there
are
those
opinions
from
around
the
country
or
legitimate
and
from
this
from
the
higher
level
dialogue
we
absolutely
are
we're
making
a
patchwork
quilt
of
affordable
housing
solutions
and
I
appreciate
that
you
mentioned
many
times
in
the
report
that
this
isn't.
C
The
solution
to
housing
and
other
cities
have
regretfully
discovered
that.
But
we
knew
that
that's
not
the
case
and
with
our
commitment
to
not
have
projects
in
the
city.
That
means
we
got
to
take
many
bites
at
this
Apple
and
the
ad
U
is
I
think
the
most
incremental
step
of
affordable
housing
that
really
I'm
not
going
to
get
into
right
now,
but
inclusionary
zoning
is
another
one
of
those
leveraging.
C
Our
city-owned
properties
is
another
one,
but
ultimately
we
keep
coming
back
around
to
money
and
a
more
consistent,
larger
stream
of
funding
coming
into
affordable
housing,
and
so
I
asked
rhetorically
at
this
point.
With
all
these,
these
facets
of
affordable
housing
conversation
that
we
keep
having
and
we're
going
to
continue
having.
C
C
Don't
want
to
wait
too
long
to
have
those
also
I'd
like
to
hear
in
the
future,
from
our
planning
department,
I'm
thinking
of
property,
to
my
peers,
that
we
just
up
zoned,
basically
on
fifth
south
James,
alpha
and
reek-
am
talking
to
us
about
it,
and
we
look
at
the
potential
for
fifth
south
for
future
up
zoning
and
the
kind
of
development
that
I
think
is
hungry
to
go
in
there
and
we're
not
zone
there.
Yet.
C
Okay
and
I.
Do
I,
appreciate
I.
Think
Charlie
probably
does
too
that
you
mentioned
the
opportunity,
perhaps
for
police
and
fire
for
teachers
to
access
this
type
of
housing.
We
have
brought
that
up
in
the
past
and
I'd
like
that
to
continue
in
our
exploration
around
this
anything
else
that
anybody
thought
up
before
we
let
these
fine
people
sit
down.
Mister.
D
But
you
know
it
was
mentioned
that
maybe
we
look
at
a
really
flexible
zone,
that's
really
exciting
to
developers
like
form-based,
for
instance,
and
maybe
pairing
inclusionary
to
that
and
and
where
we
might
do,
that
in
the
city,
whether
it's
State,
Street
or
fourth,
south
I,
guess
TSA
is
a
little
different
but
similar,
and
so
I
just
want
to
toss
that
out
there
to
this
body.
So.
C
D
C
I
agree:
I
am
concerned
about
the
state's
potential
reaction
to
this,
and
we
have
you
talked
about
the
balance
in
other
cities
of
housing,
market
demand
and
politics,
and
in
my
opinion
we
have
an
incredible
market.
We
saw
four
times
the
multifamily
development
in
terms
of
how
many
units
were
produced
in
Salt,
Lake
City
when
compared
to
the
second
highest
producing
municipality
in
the
state.
We
know
developers
want
to
build
here.
We
won't
get
into
all
the
many
reasons
why?
But
politically
I.
L
L
L
We
look
at
the
data
if
we're
serious
about
policy.
If
we
look
at
this
numbers,
the
numbers
say
it's
not
going
to
do
it
alone.
If
we're
gonna
very
targeted,
we
need
to
be
very
clear.
The
targeting
is
going
to
be
very,
very
it's
gonna
may
not
even
more,
and
we
have
to
be
very
clear
about
our
entire
plan.
L
Growing
SLC
is
about
a
lot
of
things,
but
that
the
numbers
tell
us
that
voluntary
incentives
have
not
produced,
and
if
we're
gonna
follow
programs
that
work,
then
we
probably
need
to
make
it
work
and
if
we're
not
gonna
make
it
work.
Let's
look
at
another
program.
I
think
I,
sort
of
going
half
way
in
these
things
at
least
seems
like.
It
doesn't
produce
a
whole
lot
and
we
have
to
make
a
decision
about
fine.
C
C
M
You,
madam
chair,
this
budget
amendment
is
a
single
item,
budget
amendment,
which
is
not
all
that
typical,
but
it's
to
address
a
fairly
time-sensitive
issue
relating
to
lights
of
the
Smith's
ballpark.
Obviously
they
need
those
lights
to
conduct
their
nighttime
games
and
they're
in
need
of
repair
in
order
for
the
lead
time
to
sort
of
you
know,
get
the
system
ordered
in
time.
The
administration
actually
needs
to
know.
M
Now,
whether
or
not
the
council
is
supportive
of
this
expenditure,
how
about
half
of
the
expenditure
would
come
from
the
naming
rights
we
receive
for
the
stadium
and
then
the
other
half
would
actually
come
from
general
fund
balance.
This
is
a
city
facility.
So,
even
though
it's
a
commercial
enterprise,
the
city
is
still
responsible
for
the
majority
of
the
capital
needs
in
the
ballpark
and
just
today,
I
don't
know
if
there's
an
update
on
the
bid.
M
G
E
Sure,
I
guess
I
just
have
a
couple
questions
in
the
staff
report.
It
says
the
ball
park
does
not
appear
to
have
ongoing
revenue
streams
sufficient
to
cover
maintenance,
a
capital
investment,
that's
a
real
problem
right.
That
is
correct.
What
does
the
administration
have
proposed?
There
is
a
revenue
source
I,
don't.
G
Know
that
we
have
one
at
this
point
in
time,
I
think
that
you
know
maintenance
is
an
issue
for
a
lot
of
things
and
a
concern
for
the
administration
right:
maintenance
on
roads,
maintenance
on
our
facilities,
maintenance
on
our
buildings.
It's
a
great
concern
and
I
think
it's
something
that
we
will
be
looking
at
very
closely
within
budget
amendment,
FY
19.
This.
E
Is
my
favorite
councilmembers
is
that
we
have
so
many
properties
that
the
city
owns
that
are
dilapidated
right,
I
mean
you
look
at
whether
it's
the
Fisher
mansion
or
you've
got
that
old,
Church
on
4th,
north
and
9th
west.
In
my
district
you
know,
you've
got
all
morold
Warm
Springs
building.
We
don't
have
revenue
sources
to
keep
these
these
buildings
afloat,
and
this
is
a
huge
investment
for
Salt
Lake,
so
I'm,
all
in
favor
of
funding
this,
but
we've
got
to
get
together
and
figure
out
how
these
deferred
and
it's
not
even
deferred.
G
C
A
Thank
you,
madam
chair
yeah.
It
my
concern
with
this
is
not
the
need
for
lighting.
Obviously,
that
is
something
we
need
to
do,
but
you
know
it
seems
like
we
continue
to
have
these
big
expenditures
coming
in
budget
openings
that
could
have
been
planned
for
if
somebody
had
been
taking
a
look
at
it
earlier
when
we
talked
about
having
a
24
year
old
lighting
system,
this
shouldn't
really
be
a
surprise
to
james's
point.
A
A
M
Chair
just
received
a
note
been
ladki
on
our
staff
reminded
me
that
the
impact
fee
or
sorry
capital
facilities
plan
is
expected
later
this
year
to
cover
sort
of
all
the
city
facilities
and
needs,
and
the
council
could
maybe
ask
the
administration
to
just
make
sure
that
all
the
Smith's
ballpark
needs
are
sort
of
folded
into
that.
Assuming
that
naming
rights
isn't
changing
anytime
soon,
I
don't
know.
G
N
G
L
C
F
Thank
you
very
much
and
that
you
excuse
my
cold
I'm
a
little
bit
more
hoarse
than
normal,
which
is
maybe
most
of
you
can't
tell,
but
and
congratulations
to
the
new
councilmembers.
This
is
my
first
time
addressing
you
at
this
table.
So
congratulations
and
welcome
to
the
party
I
wanted
to
say
in
response
to
councilmember
Luke's
comments
that
I'm
extremely
sensitive
to
exactly
what
you're
talking
about
the
contracts
that
we
have
with
the
B's
organization
will
be
up
for
renegotiation
in
2019,
and
those
are
issues
that
we
will
definitely
consider
under
the
current
contractual
obligation.
F
Any
revenue
that's
generated
from
an
outside
user,
not
the
B's.
It
goes
directly
to
the
B's,
and
so
even
if
we
kept
the
youths
there,
we
wouldn't
see
any
of
that
revenue,
which
is
which
is
difficult
for
me
to
reconcile.
When
we
have
such
issues.
You
know,
as
as
we
have
capital
issues
with
all
of
these
aging
facilities,
and
so
I
would
like
to
say
that
it
is
something
we
will
be
looking
at
and
hopefully
we
will
negotiate
a
deal
that
makes
more
sense
for
the
ongoing
capital
needs
of
that
facility
going
forward.
C
A
A
As
long
as
it
has
been
we're
going
to
continue
to
see
things
like
this,
this
is
it
was
what
two
or
three
two
years
ago,
when
there
was
the
plumbing
issue
with
the
pipe
burst
during
the
winter
at
Smith's
ballpark,
which
created
a
lot
of
much
more
damage
than
it
normally
would
have
because
it
was,
the
facility
was
closed
and
no
one
knew
about
it.
We
I'm
happy
that
we're
going
to
be
looking
at
the
contract
I
do
think
that
we
need
to
come
up
with
a
more
comprehensive
plan.
A
In
addition
to
that
contract,
though,
so
that
we
can
plan
with
the
Miller
family
I
mean
my
hope
is
that
that
contract
is
gonna,
be
renegotiated
because
I
can't
really
think
of
another
use
for
the
site
if
the
B's
chose
to
build
or
move
somewhere
else.
So
that's
something
that
we're
gonna,
you
have
your
work
can
help
for
you,
but
it
is
something
I
think
that
you
know
for
for
all
departments
around
the
city.
F
C
C
Think
we
should
look
at
some
policy
possibilities
around
what
our
appetite
is
for
the
city's
realistic,
ongoing
maintenance
and
our
own
costs
that
are
associated
with
the
capital
costs
associated
with
the
buildings,
particularly
buildings
that
have
commercial
entities
operating
out
of
them.
It's
not
a
warm
springs
or
a
Fisher
mansion
that
are
boarded
up
and
we
would
love
to
see
become
community
resources.
This
is
a
different
kind
of
a
community
resource,
and
is
there
a
facilities
fee
currently
on
the
ticket.
C
There
is
no
yeah
I
think
we
should,
but
that
seems
like
a
no-brainer
to
me
that
if
we
don't
have
an
revenue
stream
to
take
care
of
the
building
that
were
obliged
to
take
care
of,
we
don't
have
an
option
really
frankly,
on
this
budget
amendment
we're
contractually
obliged
to
do
this.
So
why
don't
we
create
a
revenue
stream
to
allow
us
to
do
this
more
safely
in
the
in
terms
of
our
fund
balance.
M
That
it
would
likely
need
to
be
renegotiated
with
the
contract
with
the
B's
if,
if
they're,
the
ones,
essentially
collecting
the
money
and
issuing
the
tickets
for
their
commercial
events,
I
can't
imagine
that
we
could
sort
of
mid
I
mean
we'll
check
with
the
attorney's
office,
but
I
don't
know
if
we
could
apply
a
fee
mid
contract.
I
that
would
be
a
council
role
for
sure
I
mean.
B
I
might
have
also
heard
you
saying
that
you'd
like
some
other
aspects,
in
that,
maybe
we
could
look
at
what
what
policy
topics
so
to
speak,
are
included
in
the
contract
for
those
types
of
city
properties
to
see.
If
there
might
be
some
policy
encouragement
that
the
council
could
give
to
the
administration
in
general,
you
could
adopt
some
policies
that
could
influence
other
pieces
more.
C
C
M
F
Jen,
thank
you,
because
I
do
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
talk
about
that
and
sort
of
preview
that
we're
excited
to
bring
that
forward
to
the
council.
We
actually
have
done
a
comprehensive
assessment
of
all
of
our
city
owned
facilities
and
we're
in
the
process
of
compiling
that
into
a
consumable
format
so
that
we
can
kind
of
show
you
know
the
effect
of
a
decision.
F
So
if
you
make
a
decision
to
invest
in
this
way,
what
does
that
do
downstream
to
that
specific
facility
and
all
of
the
other
facilities
that
are
in
the
capital
facilities
plan,
and
so
we're
excited
to
bring
that
forward?
It's
not
quite
ready
for
primetime,
but
we're
excited
to
bring
that
forward,
and
a
lot
of
work
has
gone
into
that,
and
certainly
the
ballpark
is
included.
It
is
one
of
the
city-owned
facilities.
So
what.
C
Good
timing
for
us
to
talk
about
this.
It
reminds
me
of
the
arts
access
fee.
That's
on
the
Eccles
tickets
that
that
this
council
put
in
place
before
that
theater
opened
and
I
know
that
will
be
coming
up
for
an
item
for
us
to
discuss
shortly.
But
there's
been
a
good
amount
of
fun
built
up
in
that
regard,
for
50
cents
on
every
ticket
and.
F
F
But
we
were
talking
about
four
hundred
and
twenty
five
thousand
dollars
in
a
lawsuit
settlement
that
I
would
have
loved
to
have
utilized
in
actually
maintaining
the
facility,
so
that
this
didn't
happen.
These
poor
people
didn't
have
to
be
injured
in
the
first
place.
So
the
importance
of
maintaining
these
facilities
goes
beyond.
You
know
just
making
sure
the
buildings
are
standing
up,
there's
a
there's,
a
real
impact
and
a
risk
associated
with
not
doing
the
ongoing
maintenance.
Thank.
L
You
bring
back
the
facilities
needs,
that's
going
to
be
an
itemized
data,
set
essentially
of
properties
of
maintenance
needs
historically
and
may
be
protected
in
the
future
correct
its.
Is
it
going
to
be
with
their
recommendation
about
disposal
all
those
properties
or
is
it
gonna?
Go
that
far
or
just
saying,
here's
a
catalog
and
now
have
a
discussion.
Yeah.
F
F
G
H
F
F
L
M
You're
discussing
properties
as
opposed
to
facilities
and
I,
think
those
are
maybe
they're,
two
shades
of
a
similar
topic,
but
I
think
the
facilities
plan
the
way
I
understand
it
would
be
literal
city
facilities
that
the
you
know
that
the
city
doesn't
have
plant.
You
know
a
little
library
or
the
city
and
county
building
or
different
parks
buildings.
Things
like
that
versus
the
fleet
block,
which
might
be
a
different
property
that
the
city
doesn't
intend
to
maintain
because
it
intends
to
dispose
of
the
property.
I
think
that's
a
slightly
different
conversation,
although
it
definitely.
F
It
bleeds
over
and
I
think
the
fleet
block
is
a
good
example
right
because,
even
though
it's
not
a
facility
that
is
regularly
utilized
by
the
city,
there
is
still
maintenance
involved
right.
You
can't
just
shut
the
lights
off
and
lock
the
door
and
walk
away.
So
there
is
still
maintenance
involved
in
that
facility
that
entire
block
of
buildings,
the
old
Public
Safety
Building,
is
another
example
of
that,
and
so
the
intent
would
be
to
show
you
the
effect
to
explain
the
the
dollars
spent
the
dollars
required
and
the
effect
of
the
decision.
Okay,.
A
F
C
C
C
N
N
I'm
not
my
intent,
madam
chair
is
not
necessarily
to
go
through
the
presentation
page
by
page,
but
really
again
it
was
meant
more
as
a
visual,
you
have
a
more
detailed
version
of
the
PowerPoint
in
your
packet
and
really
the
my
role
in
introducing
this,
and
our
brilliant
staff
from
the
many
different
departments
and
divisions
that
are
engaged
in
the
northwest.
Quadrant
are
here
to
answer
specific
questions.
The
in
the
intent
of
today's
briefing
is
really
to
be
a
little
bit
more
high-level
and
show
all
the
different
moving
parts
regarding
the
northwest
quadrant.
N
The
information
that
you
have
runs
through
a
timeline.
Just
it's
incredible.
When
you
step
back
and
you
look
at
what
the
administration
they
have,
Council
together,
I've
been
able
accomplished
in
the
last
less
than
two
years,
with
the
northwest
quadrant
and
and
it's
an
important
perspective.
We
know
this
has
a
lot
of
great
value
to
the
city,
to
the
residents
to
the
business
community,
and
it
really
has
been
a
tremendous
collaborative
effort
and
a
tremendous
partnership
looking
back
and
knowing
that
it
will
be
moving
forward.
E
Yes,
this
is
exactly
what
I
asked
for.
Is
this
timeline
on
stuff
that
we've
been
doing?
This
is
perfect.
Thank
you.
This
is
just
great
so,
like
you
said,
everybody
can
see
where
we
started
and
how
we're
ending
up
I
think
that
was
the
question
that
you
know
we
were
getting.
Is
this
dances
running
around?
They
were
doing
so.
This
is
really
great.
Thank
you.
You're.
N
Working
on
it
also
you'll
notice
in
the
presentation
just
some
of
the
key
areas:
nine
key
areas
regarding
the
northwest,
quadrant
implementation
plan
and
and
and
then
the
the
PowerPoint
really
kind
of
just
goes
through
the
presentation.
Just
kind
of
goes
through
and
highlights
what
the
key
focus
in
each
of
those
areas
are.
The
one
thing
I
just
want
to
highlight,
because
it's
a
little
bit
different
is
the
airport.
N
The
airport
becomes
an
important
part
of
the
conversation
just
because
of
the
proximity
to
the
northwest
quadrant
area,
and
is
that
we
look
at
issues
like
planning
and
and
and
infrastructure
and
land
use.
We
have
to
be
cognizant
of
what
the
airport
master
plan
is
that
we're
being
consistent
with
that
that
we're
not
stepping
on
any
toes
there.
So
it's
a
little
bit
of
a
different
focus
there,
but
it's
an
important
area
and
then
one
thing
that
we
haven't
spoken
a
lot
about.
That's
if
that
as
I
get
to
the
end.
N
Something
that
we
haven't
spoken
a
lot
about
is
just
the
the
amount
of
engagement
with
the
different
stakeholders
that
have
that
has
occurred
over
the
last
year
and
a
half
or
so
just
in
developing
the
vision
and
the
work
that
economic
development
has
done
with
all
the
different
stakeholders,
the
importance
of
the
environment
and
work
with
environmental
stakeholders.
Then,
of
course,
that's
highlighted
here.
The
importance
of
our
community
councils
and
community
groups
and
engaging
them
in
that
conversation
as
well.
Could.
N
N
N
For
example,
the
the
zoning
most
of
the
work
is
only
recommendations
have
been
completed
by
the
City
Council,
but
there
are
some
additional
issues
that
we'll
be
bringing
the
administration
will
be,
bringing
forward
that
you're
aware
of,
and
then
we
look
at
the
creation
of
the
RDA
and
where
we
are
with
that
and
even
now
to
where
you
have
it's
kind
of
cut
off
the
line.
But
you
have
ant
landowners
who
can
now
begin
marketing
land
for
development
and
to
the
point
of
councilmember
Rogers?
N
N
There's
those
nine
key
areas
that
we've
been
focusing
on
with
the
northwest
quadrant
again
I'll
put
that
little
asterisk
next
to
the
airport
on.
Why
we're
talking
about
the
airport
as
it
relates
to
the
northwest
quadrant
walk
through
that
some
of
the
key
areas
in
those
different
buckets
with
planning
in
the
zone?
N
I
know
that
lower
briefer
today
is
gonna
talk
a
little
bit
more
I'm
looking
for
a
nod
because
I
don't
wants
anything
wrong
about
the
the
prison
infrastructure,
but
that
work
continues
to
go
forward
and
we've
made
some
great
headway
with
the
state
and
earn
ago
she
ations
with
the
state
over
the
last
a
little
bit
now
see.
Now
it's
not
moving
I
moved
it
and
I
killed
it
moving
on
the
screen,
but
not
the
screen
in
front
of
me.
N
N
The
inland
port
you
know
is
is
a
an
important
conversation
that
Lara
can
definitely
talk
more
about,
but
is
something
that
we're
looking
at
in
conjunction
with
the
state
and
we're
waiting
for
the
World
Trade
Center
study
that
was
commissioned
to
be
released.
We
know
that
a
draft
has
been
completed,
but
we're
waiting
for
the
study
to
be
finished.
That
will
further
the
conversation
about
the
inland
part,
but.
N
N
N
F
F
Fritz,
director
of
the
department
of
economic
development
pleasure
to
see
everyone
this
evening,
the
consultants
when
they
completed
the
analysis
of
whether
or
not
Utah,
/,
Salt,
Lake
City,
would
be
a
great
place
for
an
inland
port.
Didn't
feel
that
we
had
all
of
the
tools
in
our
toolbox
to
be
a
true
inland
port.
F
However,
they
felt
that
we
could
be
something
that's
sort
of
a
hybrid
of
an
inland
port
and
a
global
trade
concept,
and
they
said
it
really
would
be
pioneering
I
hate
to
use
that
word
but
pioneering
and
that
it
would
allow
us
to
take
all
the
assets
we
do
have
and
really
be
able
to
be
successful
with
them,
and
so
they
want
to
call
it
a
global
trade
area,
because
we
do
have
the
Foreign
Trade
Zone,
which
the
city
owns.
We
do
have
an
existing
intermodal
facility.
F
C
O
I
and
I
did
have
some
slides
on
infrastructure.
Just
it's
not
necessary
that
we
look
at
them.
I
think
you
have
them
in
front
of
you
if
we
can
get
them
up
great,
but
it's
just
to
kind
of
give
you
a
sense
of
the
scale
of
what
we're
looking
at
in
terms
of
the
backbone
infrastructure
to
the
correctional
facility
and
then
what
we
anticipate.
O
So
the
attachment
to
the
cooperative
agreement
is
this
document
called
a
basis
of
design
and
the
basis
of
design
is
for
water,
sewer,
drainage
and
roadways
and
street
lighting.
Both
for
the
prison
facility
and
then
for
ultimate
build-out
in
the
future,
and
so
the
slides
that
I
had
presented
just
kind
of
gives
you
an
idea
of
what
the
infrastructure
to
the
Correctional
Facility
looks
like
and
then
what
ultimate
looks
like
build-out
looks
like
once.
O
The
development
of
the
northwest
quadrant
continues
so,
for
instance,
for
for
water
infrastructure,
the
infrastructure
to
the
prison
facility
serves
as
a
large
part
of
the
backbone
of
water
infrastructure
to
the
northwest
quadrant.
That
includes
a
looped
system.
24
inch
and
12
inch
water
transmission
lines.
The
full
build-out
includes
the
addition
of
another
24-inch
water
transmission
line,
plus
distribution
lines
to
serve
the
interior
of
the
properties.
O
C
D
I
O
E
I
guess
one
of
my
questions
is:
we've
been
talking
about
transportation
and
we
haven't
heard
any
I'm
just
looking
for
rough
figures,
but
it
would
be
to
get
the
tracks
to
go
out
to
the
International
Center
into
the
northwest.
Quadrant
I
guess
that's
one
question:
we've
never
really
heard
estimates
of
X
amount
of
dollars
to
get
it
there
and
it's
something
that
we
should
discuss
and
find
out
what
the
what
the
cost
would
be.
I
E
C
Anybody
else
this
was
a
good
update.
A
transmittal
was
really
helpful
and
I'm
I
saw
a
Vicky
Bennett
in
the
hall
and
and
I'm
happy
to
say
that
I
feel
pretty
comfortable
with
our
sustainability
position
on
the
northwest.
Quadrant
right
now,
I
think
our
m1
updates
kind
of
resolve
some
of
the
concerns
that
I
had
anyway.
If
we
don't
have
anything
else,
we
will
look
forward
to
thank.
C
H
I
D
I
Community
reinvestment
area
plan
for
most
of
the
northwest,
quadrant
and
I
say
northwest
quadrant
mean
the
area
north
of
I-80
minus
the
landfill
and
and
that
that
that
dialogue
has
been
ongoing.
There's
been
significant
discussions
with
the
property
owners,
there's
two
major
property
owners
in
that
area
and
they've
been
exploring
the
development
of
a
community
reinvestment
area
for
that
property
and
exploring
the
terms
of
differential
development
agreements
with
those
to
property
owners.
I
Those
issues
will
be
briefed
in
much
more
detail
next
week
is
my
understanding,
but
that
will
be
coming
forward
to
the
council
or
the
RDA
board
in
in
short
order.
The
other
piece
that
we
are
continuing
to
work
on
is
dialogue
about
the
potential
for
further
economic
development
in
the
area,
and
a
lot
of
that
is
relating
to
the
global
trade
area.
Thank.
L
I
My
words
right
bear
in
mind.
The
city
is
not
developing
that
the
city
is
the
facilitator
of
that
opportunity,
but
we
want
to
make
sure
that
the
city
is
cooperating
with
the
property
owners.
The
provider
is
the
state
and
others
who
may
be
interested
in
creating
those
opportunities.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
we
are
facilitating
the
economic
opportunity
that
may
exist
there
bear
in
mind
that
all
of
that
is
the
economic
development
of
the
the
area
north
of
I-80.
I
There
will
be
a
will,
be
and
is
a
separate
dialogue
as
to
the
potential
future
and
development
of
the
landfill
property
itself,
which
is
the
700
or
so
acres
of
the
Old
North
Temple
landfill.
So
both
of
those
dialogues
are
ongoing,
but
you
should
expect
to
get
more
detail
on
both
of
those
items.
I
would
say
in
the
next,
certainly
in
the
next
month
or
two,
we.
F
E
O
Could
adjust
just
that?
One
question
councilman
Rodgers
and
we
anticipate
most
of
the
future
development
to
be
paid
by
developers
as
they
enter
the
area.
There
might
be
some
regional
projects
that
we
may
want
to
look
at
in
terms
of
splitting
cost,
but
mostly
developers,
and
then
we've
got
some
projects
that
are
downstream
in
the
sewer
collection
system
that
we're
currently
working
on
that
were
already
part
of
a
master
plan
for
us
yeah.
I
If
I
can
just
add
to
that
and
Laura
correct
me
if
I
misstating
here,
but
while
we
say
that
that
will
be
paid
by
future
development,
I
think
that's
true,
but
those
property
owners
will
then
in
turn,
look
to
the
RDA
and
assistance
from
the
RDA
and
the
taxing
entities
to
pay
some
of
the
defray
some
of
the
costs
of
that
infrastructure.
That's
right!
I
B
Each
year,
at
this
time
we
raise
with
you
the
opportunity
to
do
mailing
through
the
city
public
utilities
bills.
This
is
an
opportunity
for
each
of
you
to
do
one
newsletter
out
to
your
district
piggybacking
on
the
billing
mailing.
So
we
have
the
opportunity
for
three
people
to
do
a
newsletter
in
August,
sorry,
April,
August
or
December,
and
so
we
need
to
know
who
would
be
willing
to
do
what
month
can.
C
B
C
B
C
B
B
We
did
have
the
previous
council
take
a
look
at
this
because
we
do
need
to
to
get
going
on
it
before
January,
but
we
can
amend
it
at
any
time,
and
so
we
want
to
find
out
from
this
council
whether
what
we've
done
a
satisfactory
or
if
you
would
like
to
do
some
changes
to
your
calendar.
Even
with
this
adoption,
you
can
still
add
meetings
or
change
meetings.
This
is
just
a
solid
piece
of
public
notice
to
get
out
at
the
beginning
of
the
year.
B
So
if
you
want
to
go
quickly
through
it
is
that,
okay
sure,
just
so
in
January
we
have.
These
are
the
things
that
typically
are
considered
by
councils.
Usually
you
have
a
workshop
or
a
retreat
toward
the
beginning
of
the
year.
Sometimes
you
also
do
one
in
the
fall.
So
there's
a
tentative
placeholder
on
this
calendar
for
the
last
Tuesday
in
January,
and
sometimes
that
retreat
has
say
started
like
it
11
or
12
and
gone
into
the
afternoon.
B
C
B
B
Look
at
January
and
think
March,
that's
my
problem,
the
13th!
So
there's
no
meeting
that
night
scheduled,
let's
see
in
April,
we
try
to
work
around
the
nationally.
Excuse
me:
Utah
League
of
cities
and
towns.
That
typically
doesn't
conflict,
but
there
is
the
downtown
Alliance
trip,
and
that
is
one
that
really
has
been
valuable
for
council
members
in
the
past,
and
so
there
may
be
a
conflict
there.
B
If
you
would
like
to
fly
out
the
night
before
that
seems
like
one,
we
should
get
you
more
information
on
to
be
before
we
move
around
with
the
schedule:
K,
July
and
August
you
usually
under
our
ordinance.
You
would
schedule
two
meetings
in
July
in
August.
Sometimes
you
adjust
the
July
meeting
to
your
personal
preference
so
that
it,
maybe
you
maybe
you
want
to
avoid
the
fourth
that
we
get
the
fourth
of
July.
Maybe
you
want
to
avoid
the
week
of
the
24th
it
just
is
whatever
the
group
would
like
to
do
right
now.