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A
A
A
Thank
you
for
being
with
us
today,
we'll
start
with
item
1
on
our
work
session
agenda,
the
initial
discussion
of
legislative
intent
for
fiscal
year,
18
19.
We
have
Allyson
Roland
from
our
council
office
with
us
to
help
lead
the
discussion.
Thank,
You,
Alyson
and
I
know
that
actually
Randy
Hillier
are
you
going
to
join
us
at
the
table?
Also
from
our
Department
of
Finance,
I
told.
A
And
I
see
many
of
them
in
the
audience.
So,
council
members,
let's
tuck
in
we-
have
items
a
through
n
and
if
we
don't
get
to
finish
them,
I'm
going
to
cut
this
off
at
2:30,
so
we'll
go
as
far
as
we
can,
starting
with
a,
and
the
hope
of
this
is
to
get
some
preliminary
feedback
and
discussion
from
administrative
departments
on
the
legislative
intents
that
this
council
created
in
our
budget
process
that
culminated
in
June
and
some
of
these
are
tied
to
specific
council
members.
A
Some
of
them
we
were
all
bought
in
on
and
so
because
legislative
intent
really
don't
necessarily
have
a
lot
of
teeth
attached
to
them,
but
they
do
have
a
great
deal
of
intention.
We
wanted
to
have
these
conversations
early
on
before
the
next
budget
is
created,
so
we
could
know
where
the
departments
are
at
okay.
So
the
first
item
is
performance
measures
for
homeless
services
funding.
If.
B
B
A
B
A
C
D
E
In
talking
with
Melissa
and
her
team
Jennifer,
one
of
the
things
we
haven't
done
with
homeless
services
allocations
in
the
general
fund,
at
least
is
tie
it
to
specific
needs
or
outcomes.
We're
looking
for
purpose
been
I
think
because
it's
been
on
an
emergency
basis.
We've
had
some
critical
needs
quickly
and
those
kind
of
things,
but
moving
forward.
If
we
have
ongoing
allocations
for
homeless
specific
services,
I
think
we
probably
need
to
tie
it
to
specific
needs,
analysis
or
needs
that
are
identified
and
there's
some
outcomes
from
those
needs.
E
A
F
Jennifer
yeah
I'm,
councilmember,
Johnston
I,
appreciate
you
bringing
that
up.
The
federal
funding
process
has
been
really
helpful.
It
I'm
creating
a
framework
to
collect
information
and
really
identify
needs
and
outcomes.
F
A
lot
of
a
lot
of
the
reporting
we
were
able
to
forward
a
dashboard,
a
dashboard
report,
it's
incredibly
time,
intensive
to
put
that
together
and
there's
a
lot
of
partners
in
that
in
that
dashboard
that
don't
receive
funding,
and
so
it's
very
difficult
for
us
to
pull
together
that
sort
of
effort
on
an
ongoing
basis.
We
were
happy
to
do
it
though
I'm
and
it
gave
us
gave
us
some
good
insight
at
the
time.
Jennifer.
F
Or
ones
that
are
not
receiving
funding
from
us,
and
so
it's
a
little
bit
tougher
to
get
information
from
them
and
to
make
sure
it's
in
a
way
that
is
usable
for
us
so
moving
forward,
it's
incredibly
onerous
to
to
complete
that
type
of
report
going
forward,
and
so,
if
we
had
something
that
was
very
needs
based,
very
outcomes
based
I
think
it
would
be
easier
to
be
able
to
tie
dollars
back
to
outcomes.
I
would
have
to
probably
look
at
David
lip
back
to
get
some
additional.
A
Can
I
Whittle
it
down
to
say
to
here
that
you're
saying
that
there
are
so
many
partners
that
helped
create
the
outcomes
we're
looking
for
who
one
aren't
tasked
with
reporting
that
data
to
us
don't
receive
money
to
do
so
and
whose
data
might
not
be
in
the
format
that
is
usable
for
such
a
dashboard?
But
at
this
point
it's
not
happening.
Yeah.
F
That
is,
that
is
incredibly
accurate.
I
think
the
information
we
are
able
to
collect
is
not
holistic,
and
then
it's
not
coming
in
a
format.
That's
easy
to
utilize.
It's.
G
My
pleasure
as
the
dashboard
as
the
data
collection
relates
to
collective
impact.
I,
don't
think
right
now.
The
two
are
necessarily
synced
together,
but
as
council
member
Johnson
knows,
there
are
several
several
initiatives
that
Salt
Lake
City
is
a
part
of
through
collective
impact
and
other
partners,
including
the
state
of
Utah
that
are
developing
system-wide
homeless
services.
Dashboards.
The
state
of
Utah
out
a
year
little
about
a
year
ago
unveiled
a
statewide
dashboard
and
we
are
right
now
through
collective
impact.
Working
with
the
Romney
School
of
b-y-u
I
believe
with
a
much
more.
G
Tactical
I
guess
be
my
word
dashboard,
where
collective
impact,
providing
particularly
to
shelter
the
homeless
board,
would
have
data
that
would
allow
them
to
adjust
programming
on
a
regular
basis
and
funding
for
programming
the
BYU.
The
Romney
is
developing
that
measurement
tool
right
now,
based
on
the
14
outcomes
established
through
collective
impact,
and
it's
meant
to
be
kind
of
where
you
would
receive
a
score
and
then
be
able
to
dig
deeper
into
it.
That
is
in
the
very
beginning,
phases
of
the
development
where
the
Romney
Institute's
and
I
apologize.
D
G
D
Administration
told
me:
okay,
it'd,
be
nice
to
have
a
written
briefing
on
that,
and
you
know
if
there's
an
opportunity,
maybe
for
the
city's
departments
or
divisions
to
tap
into
that
and
maybe
even
modify
it
for
our
own
specific
needs
within
Selleck
City
proper,
because
I
was
just
going
to
add
that
maybe
there's
an
opportunity
for
a
partnership
with
the
University
of
Utah.
But
if
a
lot
of
this
work
is
already
being
done
by
Pyu,
then
maybe
there's
a
natural
partnership.
There
yeah.
A
G
Won't
they
won't
merge,
but
there
will
I
would
say
that
they'll
be
obviously
some
crossover
and
collective
impact-
and
this
was
a
point
of
discussion
at
the
last
meeting-
is
very
sensitive
and
conscientious
of
the
work
that
the
state
has
done
and
wants
to
create
something.
That's
additive
that
provides
not
repetitive,
information
or
duplicate
information,
but
something
that
adds
on
to
the
knowledge
base
that
we
have.
Madam.
E
How
many
folks
will
leave
within
a
certain
amount
of
time
how
many
folks
come
back
to
emergency
shelter
within
a
certain
amount
of
time,
but
there's
only
four
core
ones
and
they're
very
outcomes
about
housing
period,
which
is
really
the
the
point
we're
trying
to
get
to
an
almost
services.
However,
based
on
all
the
factors
that
limit
the
ability
for
us
to
have
housing
for
everybody,
part
of
the
initiative
to
get
this
more
targeted
outcome
measure
that
they're
just
it's,
it's
piloting
his
brand-new
they've,
never
had
anything
like
it
before.
E
So
it's
gonna
take
some
time
to
get
this
working.
I
think
the
intent
of
that
was
to
have
a
lot
a
larger
number
of
factors
that
went
into
it
and
then
Whittle
it
down
to
one
number,
simply
file
it
down
saying
how
are
we
doing
period
in
the
whole
system
there?
There
may
be
some
issues
in
just
doing
that.
I
think
it
was
meant
to
sort
of
give
people
without
a
lot
of
time,
an
idea
of
where
we're
at
and
then
depending
on
the
score.
E
You
could
sort
of
drill
down
into
that
and
find
out
where,
in
there,
we
weren't
doing
so
hot
that
would
bring
down
the
score.
For
instance,
I
think
that's
a
little
ways
off.
In
my
view
of
this,
we
were
on
the
state
homeless.
Coordinator
council
makes
state
allocation
of
money
for
homeless
services,
we're
on
collective
impact
as
a
city
you're
talking
about
the
administration,
the
mayor,
we're
on
the
shelter
the
homeless
board,
we're
on
a
lot
of
we're
in
these
places.
E
So
perhaps
one
thing
we
could
look
at
is
saying
based
on
what
we
see
across
the
spectrum
of
what's
being
funded,
what's
not
being
funded.
What
are
the
outcomes
there?
The
whole
system's
looking
at
are
the
ways
that
we
could
take
our
smaller
amount
of
money
from
the
city
and
hit
gaps,
and
then
we
can
just
through
RFP
process.
We
could
say
here's
a
gap,
we're
gonna
hit.
Here's
the
ad
measure
we're
trying
to
get
to
as
part
of
that
bigger
thing.
E
The
reason
I
say
that
is
because
we're
in
my
personal
opinion,
I
think
the
county.
The
state
are
the
funders
of
homeless
services,
behavioral
health,
the
city,
we're
doing
things
that
maybe
aren't
being
done
by
anybody
else,
but
are
targeted
to
our
specific
needs
here
and
I.
Don't
if
we
get
larger
into
this,
we
sort
of
open
our
scope
up
much
larger
and
I'm,
not
sure
that's
where
we
need
to
be.
E
A
So
I'm
hearing
and
I'm
gonna
do
this
as
I've
done
on
a
past
subject.
So
keep
the
questions
coming,
but
I'm
hearing
from
councilmember
Johnston
that
there
could
be
opportunities
for
Salt,
Lake,
City
financial
support
to
outside
of
the
question,
the
money
that
we've
already
committed
and
that
we
will
continue
to
commit
to
the
services
aspect.
Is
there
data
money
that
we
could
fill
information
gaps
in
to
answer?
Our
questions
is
the
city
about
the
impact
our
commitment
is
making
I
think.
E
That
the
measures
are
talking
about
him
is
available
right
now
we
can
get
on
the
website
and
you
can
see
where
that's
the
state
system
state
system
is
already
live.
You
can
look
on
it.
We
can
get
some
outcomes
there
about
the
whole
system,
the
one
that
David
talked
about
through
the
collaboration
with
BYU
and
also
I,
think
Harvard
together
they're,
looking
at
something
that
it's
unclear
how
it
interacts
with
the
him
is
with
the
state
system.
They
think
it
will,
but
there's
not
clear.
E
Yet
it's
in
the
very,
very
initial
stages:
it's
not
close
to
being
ready
and
it's
much
more
broader
I,
don't
want
to
replicate
any
of
that
work.
I
think
I'd
like
to
see
us
take
away
the
existing
funding.
We
have
find
where
we
want
to
target
it
in
this
system.
That's
already
out
there
and
then
measure
our
particular
little
smaller
impact,
so
to
speak.
A
F
Collaboration,
what
the
system
would
be
helpful,
I
think
I
feel
like
our
approach.
Right
now
has
been
very
kind
of
knee-jerk
reaction
I'm.
What
is
it
the
city?
What
outcome
are
we
driving
to?
What
we
are
we
trying
to
address
with
our
funding
and
currently
part
of
our
funding
is
going
to
pay
for
services
to
help
keep
areas
of
the
city
clean
and
the
other,
and
then
other
funding
is
going
to
provide.
F
A
Councilmembers,
my
question
to
us,
then,
is:
do
we
want
to
ask
those
questions
as
the
as
the
budgetary
body
for
this
city
who's
going
to
be
considering
those
annual
allocations?
Do
we
want
to
have
a
conversation
about
what
kind
of
questions
we
need
answered
or
we'd
like
to
have
answered
and
then
explore
the
potential
for
collaboration
with
hymnist,
perhaps
or
the
do?
We
want
to
ask
the
administration
to
come
back
and
tell
us
what
questions
could
better
inform
the
processes
that
the
city
is
participating
in.
E
I
think
we
wrote
down
the
performance
measures.
Part
of
my
view
was
it
wasn't
just
measuring
it
was.
How
are
we
deciding
what
we're
going
to
fund
I?
Think
one
of
the
things
that's
clear
to
me
is
no.
One
else
is
gonna
fund
cleanup
of
the
streets
from
homeless.
That's
a
gap
in
the
system
that
the
county,
the
state,
probably
aren't
going
to
fund
long
term.
It
makes
sense
to
me
that
we'd
say
alright,
that's
something's
not
being
funded
elsewhere.
E
It
affects
our
city,
we're
gonna
fund
that
and
then
we
figure
out
the
performance
measure
for
that
particular
thing
that
make
sense,
but
it's
done
through
an
RFP
process,
so
to
speak
or
with
private
providers
where
we
say
this
is
what
we
need
done.
We
need
to
clean
these
streets,
here's
what
we
need
to
measure
and
then
they
come
back
and
they
show
us
kind
of
like
we
do
with
the
other,
our
other
budgetary
audit.
Why
we
do
things
we
say:
here's
the
the
gap,
we're
trying
to
fill,
give
us
your
proposal.
E
B
E
The
the
measures
themselves,
we
can
talk
about
I,
think
we
can
do
internal
stuff
because
I,
don't
think
cleanliness
of
the
streets.
Gonna
get
managed
through
the
hem
assessment
state
level
or
the
county
collective
impact.
That's
not
swear
what
they're
looking
at
that's
where
I'm
saying
we
can
fill
some
gaps
that
way
with
our
current
funding
existing
funding.
I
do.
G
No
I
mean
I
think
both
from
the
administration
and
the
council
chewing
over
that
and
kind
of
dialoguing
through
what
the
key
measurements
would
are.
I
mean
I
I
when
I
hear
council
member
Johnson,
say
I
very
much
see
in
terms
of
that's
kind
of
what
we're
doing
in
terms
of
that
gaps.
Funding
there's
some
differences
there
with
operation
Rio
Grande.
There
are
some
very
specific
city
impacts
where
the
funding
goes.
Some
of
those
measures
will
possibly
be
captured
through
the
collective
impact
project.
A
H
A
Anything
else
on
this
item
council
member
kitchen
I,
like
your
idea
of
having
a
briefing
on
the
state,
the
hymnist
system,
and
perhaps
that
Romney
BYU
tactical
tool.
That's
in
development
still
can
we
work
with
the
administration
to
set
those
up
and
it
would
be
I
think
best
to
do
that
at
the
same
time
set
those
two
up
at
the
same
time.
Okay,
great
anything
else,
council
members.
Thank
you.
Then.
Let's
quickly
touch
on
item
B,
we
made
it
so
far.
Yeah.
B
A
D
I
F
As
we
think
about
I'm
the
ambassadors
and
how
they've
served
the
downtown
area,
if
we're
looking
to
rep,
you
replicate
that
in
the
homeless,
Resource
Center
area
I'm
thinking
about
the
businesses
that
are
around
there,
what
the
needs
are
of
those
specific
regions.
It
certainly
is
something
that
can
be
done
right,
but
it
would
probably
look
and
feel
a
little
bit
different
and
I
asked
that.
Well,
the
the
draw
to
the
area
is
different
versus
down
the
core
downtown
area.
There's
different
types
of
businesses,
more.
F
Very
much
more
residential
as
compared
to
the
core
downtown
area,
so
the
feedback
I
hear
is
that
it's
a
great
program,
it's
working
well,
any
time
you
launch
a
pilot
program
that
intersects
with
the
homeless
community,
there's
always
questions
about
how
that's
going
to
work.
The
feedback
in
the
reporting
that
we're
getting
is
that
it's
very
positive
on
both
the
businesses
side
and
on
the
the
homeless
community
side.
F
A
Doesn't
get
us
very
far,
though
we're
looking
at
a
May
19
opening,
so
are
we
exploring
actual
I
mean
we
didn't
fund
fifty
thousand
of
the
two
hundred
thousand
needed
for
the
downtown
ambassadors
program,
which
gives
me
some
concern
about
whether
or
not
the
administration
is
going
to
propose
expanding
the
program
or
contracting
with
another?
You
know
management
entity,
but
beyond
hope
where
we
at
so.
G
Council,
chairman
and
all
if
I
could,
if
I
can
add
one
of
the
I
believe
we've
discussed
this
a
little
bit
at
past
council
meetings.
G
In
order
to
have
the
success
both
for
individuals
experiencing
homelessness
and
the
community
really
through
the
efforts
of
various
departments,
the
mayor's
office
RDA,
we
now
have
a
we're
working
we're
going
to
be
working
with
a
consultant
on
developing
those
neighborhood
action
strategies.
Part
of
that,
along
with
the
infrastructure,
are
questions
about
safety,
so
I
think
it's
it's
premature
to
say
whether
the
downtown
Ambassador
or
a
program
like
the
downtown
Ambassador
is
a
good
fit.
G
E
An
idea-
perhaps
it
might
help
this
a
little
bit
since
shelter
the
homeless,
hasn't
picked
the
actual
operators
of
any
of
those
shelters.
Yet
they
should
be
by
the
end
of
October
if
it's
kind
of
fuzzy
about
one
but
by
the
end
of
October,
and
each
of
them
will
be
responsible
to
implement
the
conditional
use
requirement
of
having
a
neighborhood
advisory
group.
E
That'll
meet
regular
thing
quarterly
if
I
remember
right
after
they're
open
one
thing
they
may
want
to
ask
is
for
as
soon
as
the
operators
are
chosen,
we
request
shelter
the
homeless
to
have
them
start
those
meetings
before
opening
the
center
to
collect
neighborhood
feedback
and
get
specific
needs
that
they're
identifying
with
in
the
businesses
the
neighborhood's
the
residents
and
maybe
target.
Maybe
how
does
this
part
of
the
targeting
initially
to
get
a
sense
of
what
definitive
things
they're
looking
to
have
might
help
us
send
some
information
and
get
some
direction
to
us?
That's.
C
You
know
along
North
temple
where
the
Gateway
in
is
is
this
is
to
me,
is
another
I
know
it's
not
an
HRC,
but
it
is
an
in
a
community
that
has
been
severely
impacted
by
the
operation
and
so
I'd
love
to
see
this
not
only
for
HRC
is
but
in
these
hotspots
developed.
Maybe
this
is
another
way
that
we
can
help
communities
with.
C
A
A
Hope
I
speak
for
the
council
when
I
say
that
I
think
we
share
the
desire
with
the
administration
that
we
not
need
to
react
in
a
knee-jerk
fashion
for
the
opening
of
these
resource
centers
and
whatever
the
needs
of
the
communities
may
be
so
that
they
can
be
healthy
and
supportive
and
support
Ted
of
the
HRC.
So
we'll
look
forward
to
your
proposals
around
how
to
do
that.
All
right.
A
Council
members
with
that
we're
gonna
have
to
come
back
to
this
list
and
we
think
the
administration
and
all
of
those
from
other
departments
who
didn't
get
to
come
up
thanks
for
being
with
us
today.
We're
gonna
move
on
to
item
2
in
our
work
session,
which
is
our
CIP.
Our
capital
improvement
program
overview,
and
we
have
been
led
key
from
our
council
office
here
with
us
and
Todd
reader.
The
capital
asset
Development
Manager
for
the
city
I
know
Marybeth
Thompson
is
also
in
the
audience,
and
you
can
come
up
if
you
want
to.
A
D
Real
quick
to
the
the
project
timeline
today
is
going
to
be
focused
on
a
quick
orientation.
Since
we
haven't
talked
about
this
since
May,
and
then
we're
gonna
go
through
a
few
highlights
in
the
staff
report
and
then
the
policy
questions
before
I
get
going,
though,
todd
has
a
quick
recap
to
help
orient
the
council
on
where
we
are
thanks.
H
H
Program
for-
and
we
look
forward
to
getting
her
back
on
the
18th
to
go
through
the
projects
with
you
in
general,
the
capital
improvement
program,
I,
say
program,
because
we
get
a
lot
of
there's
a
lot
of
confusion
on
terms,
and
so
we've
spent
a
lot
of
time
this
year.
Focusing
on
the
specific
terms,
I
want
to
talk
about
some
of
those
real,
quick,
the
capital
improvement
project,
which
is
what
you
see
before
you
in
the
log.
That's
your
pay-as-you-go
projects,
typically
$50,000
on
up
to
5
million
dollars.
We
also
have
a
capital
asset
project.
H
That's
part
of
the
program.
Those
are
more
than
five
million
dollars
would
require
bonds,
some
other
type
of
financing,
but
they
all
fit
into
the
program
as
the
debt
service
on
those
bonds
is
paid
out
of
the
CIP
two
types
of
projects
that
we
are
trying
to
very
carefully
delineate
now,
you'll
see
revolve
around
capital,
there's
a
capital
asset
renewal,
and
that
has
to
do
and
we've
seen
the
facilities
management
plan.
Some
of
you
have
seen
where
we
take
our
deferred
maintenance,
all
of
our
infrastructure
and
we
need
to
repair
and
replace
it.
H
There's
a
capital
asset
renewal
project,
there's
also
just
a
new
capital
project
and
then
the
last
piece
that
we're
playing
with
is
this
maintenance
ongoing
maintenance.
So
we
have
routine
repairs,
non
capitalized
items
like
plans,
master
plans,
studies
and
designs,
and
those
are
all
in
part
of
the
CIP
program.
So
we're
really
trying
to
delineate
those
three
items
and
just
to
be
aware,
these
are
the
types
of
projects
that
we
have
through
the
capital
improvement
program.
H
Just
in
general,
this
last
year,
we've
done
a
we've
changed
the
CIP
to
a
real
year
round
process,
where
there's
a
lot
more
collaboration
with
the
RDA,
the
arts
department,
sustainability.
We
meet
quarterly
to
discuss
the
projects
where
we're
at
what
projects
are
coming
forward
and
how
we
can
align
better
for
the
future
projects
just
quickly
taking
you
through
the
numbers.
This
year
we
had
49
applications
about
36
million
dollars
in
requests
and
through
the
recommendations.
H
Thus
far,
we've
funded
or
we've
recommended
30
applications
be
funded
at
13
million
dollars,
just
the
real
nerdy
numbers
game,
just
the
sources
and
uses
we
had
21
million
come
in
from
the
general
fund.
We
had
about
four
hundred
and
sixty
three
thousand
coming
in
from
recapture.
These
are
projects
that
have
are
finished
and
still
have
money
left
over
or
in
some
cases
it's
been
past
three
years
and
the
projects
just
aren't
gonna
take
off,
and
so
we've
recaptured
him.
H
So
there's
four
hundred
sixty-three
thousand
that
was
brought
into
the
funding
this
year
for
recapture
impact
fees.
We
brought
in
three
million
dollars
in
streets
impact
fees
and
two
hundred
thousand
in
parks,
impact
fees
and
then
finally
class
see
there's
3.2
million
dollars
in
Class
C,
which
of
course
just
goes
to
the
streets
projects.
So
all
told
there's
about
28
million
dollars
of
funding
for
this
program,
nine,
just
over
nine
million,
went
to
capital
projects.
Just
under
four
million
went
to
the
maintenance
or
non
capitalized
projects.
H
We
have
our
debt
service,
thirteen
point
six
million
and
then
percent
for
art
cost
overrun
is
about
a
half
million
and
capital
replacement
for
parks
and
facilities.
At
six
hundred
thousand,
we
talked
about
the
general
fund
transfer
of
21
million.
We
went
through
an
accounting
of
that
a
little
more
detail
last
time,
but
it
it
really
goes
to
highlight.
The
general
fund
transfer
was
seven
point.
Eight
three
percent,
which
the
goal
of
seven
to
nine
percent
of
general
fund
gets
thrown
in
the
CIP.
So
we
calculate
how
we
came
up
with
that
number
again.
H
We
spent
some
time
talking
about
the
impact
fees
with
streets,
three
million
dollars
in
impact
fees.
Some
of
the
project
highlights
the
largest
one.
Is
the
bridge
on
7th
south
and
parks
want
to
emphasize
that
there
there's
very
minimal
money
left
an
impact
fees,
so
we
allocated
two
hundred
thousand,
which
was
the
balance
at
the
time.
H
You
know.
Historically,
we
have
funded
the
street
improvements
through
this-
that's
the
oath
so
to
clarify
the
street
improvements.
If
it's
an
overlay,
that's
a
maintenance
project
and
if
it's
a
reconstruction,
it's
a
capital
asset,
so
we
have
engineering
will
track
both
of
those
and
historically
we've
funded
maintenance
in
the
overlay
of
street
improvements.
There's
sidewalk
rehabilitations,
we've
done
bridge
maintenance,
public
way,
concrete
restoration.
H
These
are
all
streets
and
transportation
programs
that
are,
in
fact,
maintenance
programs
and,
finally,
there's
master
plans,
studies
and
designs
this
year
at
we
did
do
a
recommendation
for
a
historic
wall
repair
in
the
cemetery,
which
is
a
maintenance
project,
but
that's
more
it's
a
parks
project,
again
maintenance,
so
that
was
a
real,
quick
overview
of
the
program.
The
last
thing
I've
mentioned
is
that
log
that
you
love
to
get
into
and
I
know
in
the
next
two
weeks.
You're
gonna
just
can't
wait
to
work
through
that.
H
A
We
can
you,
you
basically
want
to
hold
on
to
it
for
the
next
few
weeks
and
that
it
includes,
as
Todd
just
said,
everything
that
asked
for
CIP
money
things
that
weren't
recommended
through
the
CDC
IP
board
and
things
that
weren't
recommended
by
the
mayor
everything's
in
here,
and
it's
up
to
this
body
to
work
with
the
conversations
that
we
have
before
the
middle
of
October.
When
we
hope
to
finalize
this
and
ask
questions
of
the
administration
and
listen
to
the
community.
A
H
Number
18
thing
to
ask
all
the
specifics:
okay,
ask
any
time
anything.
One
other
point
to
mention
that
that
applications
for
the
last
two
years
have
been
done
through
called
zoom
grants.
It's
an
online
application
system
that
everyone
has
to
fill
out
there
available
to
council
staff.
So
if
you
want
to
drill
into
if
you
need
additional
information
on
any
application,
such.
A
D
Todd
I'll,
just
I'll
just
jump
on
to
what
Todd
said
about
the
log.
It
is
significantly
longer
than
in
previous
years,
by
maybe
a
dozen
or
so
pages,
and
the
reason
why
is
if
you
look
up
on
the
big
screen
each
one
of
these
line
items
the
this
bit
of
information
was
taken
directly
from
the
resolution
governing
CIP
that
the
council
updated
last
year,
and
so
those
additional
reporting
requirements
is
the
project
located
within
an
RDA
project
area.
What's
the
long
term
maintenance
estimated
to
be?
Is
it
eligible
for
impact
fees?
A
Is
awesome
and
I
know
councilmember
Fowler
particularly,
is
interested
in
I.
Think
some
of
this
conversation
we've
had
in
the
last
nine
months
that
we
and
I
think
all
the
council.
Members
are
actually
that
we
end
up
funding
shiny
new
projects
and
not
really
asking
what's
the
ongoing
cost
that
we're
asking
parks
or
public
services
to
shoulder,
and
then
that
ends
up
coming
around
in
the
general
fund
process
and
not
through
subsequent
CIP
applications,
and
so
we
it's
good
that
we
fleshed
out
these
proposals
deeper.
A
D
D
Is
typical,
you
may
remember
two
years
ago
there
was
over
a
hundred
million
dollars
in
requested
project
funding
and
that
year
kind
of
stands
out
as
an
outlier,
because
there
were
many
more
large.
You
know
million
dollar-plus
projects
that
were
included
in
the
log
and
there
just
wasn't
enough
money
to
even
come
close
to
that,
and
what
the
council
will
see
in
a
couple
weeks
is
the
10-year
CIP
plan,
the
capital
facilities
plan,
which
is
intended
to
take
those
projects
and
plan
them
out
over
a
10-year
period.
D
So
they're
not
just
shown
every
year
on
the
funding
log,
where
we
know
we
can't
pay
even
half
based
on
our
available
revenue.
So
that
is
a
shift
in
moving
long-term
project
planning
from
the
funding
log
into
a
ten
year
plan
that
would
be
updated
annually
and
that's
one
of
the
policy
questions
we'll
get
to
today
and
the.
D
A
A
Any
other
that
this
is
a
great
staff
report
and
there's
some
good
policy
questions
in
there
before
we
get
to
the
policy
questions
section
on
page
two,
when
we
look
at
the
comparison
of
CIP
funding
sources
by
fiscal
year,
and
we
see
that
in
this
FY
19
proposed
budget
for
CIP,
there's
3.2
million,
as
you
mentioned,
Todd
from
impact
fees,
I
wondered
if
you
could
tell
us
a
little
more
about
and
Ben.
H
Yes,
I
can
cover
that
as
we
had
this
issue,
we
played
my
cup
also
Todd.
Thank
you.
So
impact
fees
have
been
a
challenge
with
the
refunding
of
impact
fees
were
two
years
ago
with
parks
and
fire,
and
then
currently
we
have
police
they're,
refunding
impact
fees
and
through
I'm
part
of
the
impact
fee
report,
we
were
able
to
look
further
ahead
at
the
exact
date
that
part
that
the
fees
will
be
funded
or
will
be
refunded
and
we're
working
with
departments
every
quarter
to
make
sure
we're
not
going
to
have
to
refund.
H
H
Update
we
are
we're
for
the
last
year,
we've
worked
with
consultants,
the
police
for
a
needs
assessment
and
then
now
we're
trying
to
identify
Eastside
properties
to
fit
that,
and,
as
you
can
imagine
in
this
market,
finding
an
East,
Side
location
for
the
needs
of
the
police,
for
that
precinct
has
been
very
challenging.
And
so
we've
had
some
parcels
that
have
not
been
it
attainable
because
of
the
price
of
them
solely
there's.
A
couple
parcels
right
now
we're
looking
at
and
we're
viewing
with
the
administration
to
come
to
you
with
with
an
option.
A
Council
members
for
me
this
really
segues
with
the
question
we've
raised
several
times
with
the
administration
of
the
city
owned
parcels
question
and
of
the
hundreds,
if
not
more,
of
individual
parcels
that
the
city
owns.
How
could
those
be
leveraged
if
we
had
that
list
in
front
of
us
I'll
leave
that
rhetorical
at
this
point,
but
I
think
it'll
come
up
again
unless
other
council
members
want
to
chime
in
okay
on
the
parks
mention
of
impact
fees,
so.
A
I
I
wondered
about
the
big
piece
of
impact,
the
money
that
we
set
aside
for
a
downtown
park,
acquisition
and
I
understand,
there's
some
difficulty
as
there
is
with
East
Side
property
in
finding
such
a
parcel
or
an
opportunity
to
create
a
park
with
that
money
and
I
wondered
if
the
parks
division
might
desire
to
have
some
flexibility
with
that
money.
Where
you
have
parks
projects
that
are
impact
fee
eligible.
You
know
what
I'm
saying
yeah.
D
F
Doctor
thanks
for
asking
this
and
I'm
really
glad
you
asked
it
now,
because
I
do
have
a
three
o'clock
meeting
I
have
to
get
to,
but
so
regarding
the
downtown
park
funding,
we
have
aggressively
right.
Tod
been
looking
I've
been
bothering
Todd
a
lot
over
the
last
three
years,
looking
for
a
downtown
park
parcel
and
quite
honestly,
the
three
point-
four
four
million,
if
would
even
put
it
all
together,
just
to
acquire
the
land.
F
My
hope
for
this
funding
would
be
that
council
would
consider
using
this
funding
in
such
a
way
that
we
could
have
a
big
impact
for
the
city
and
by
that
I
mean
keeping
it's
very
rare,
that
we
have
3.4
million
dollars
to
put
in
one
lump
sum
towards
the
parks
department
towards
a
project
and
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
very
viable
projects
that
could
be.
This
could
go
towards.
F
But
I
think
that
my
my
request
would
be
to
consider
looking
at
using
this
funding
in
a
lump
to
make
an
improvement
in
a
significant
improvement
to
the
city,
whether
it's
purchasing
a
park
which
would
probably
take
more
money
or
building
building
on
to
an
existing
park,
creating
a
better
Park
within
a
park
that
we
already
have.
The
one
that
always
comes
to
mind
is
pioneer
Park
and
making
some
real
positive
improvements
there.
That
is
our
downtown
Park
and
right
now
it
needs
a
lot
of
love
and
I.
F
Think
we
could
do
some
things
in
Pioneer
Park.
That
would
be
impact
be
eligible
and
make
a
huge
difference.
We've
already
started
our
existing
project,
but
there's
other
areas
too.
It
doesn't
have
to
be
there.
It
could
be,
as
it
says,
in
the
staff
report.
It
could
be
the
fleet
block,
it
could
be.
There's
there's,
probably
a
hundred
that
you
all
of
you
can
think
of.
A
Okay,
thank
you
for
coming
up
and
prompt
you
like
that
Kristin,
but
I
think
that
the
I
would
be
really
interested
to
see
a
proposal
that
is
a
public-private
partnership
that
leverages
our
3.4
and
all
the
other
investments.
We
make
much
farther
with
downtown
partners
and
so
we'll
look
forward
to
those
conversations
right.
H
Last
one
I
mentioned
is
just
streets
that
they,
the
administration,
is
currently
looking
at
the
impact
fee
plan,
possibly
amending
that
for
the
northwest
quadrant
looking
at
the
implications
of
the
northwest
quadrant
and
how
it
plays
on
the
impact
fee
plan.
There
are
not
a
lot
of
projects
left
in
our
impact
fee
plan
under
transportation,
so
we're
gonna
have
to
amend
that
in
some
form
or
fashion,
but
right
now,
they're
up
against
a
potential
refund
I
think
it
was
discussed
last
time
in
the
second
quarter.
We
reach
out
to
the
streets.
H
A
A
Forgive
me,
judge
Baxter
and
our
legal
team
that
joined
during
the
budget
on
that
subject,
and
they
were
here
to
talk
to
us
about
that.
So
I'm
actually
going
to
put
a
pause
on
this
discussion
of
CIP
I
know
that
we
have
a
315
with
our
executive
water
task
force.
Interim
subcommittee
may
I:
ask
you
all
to
come
back
and
perhaps
even
this
afternoon,
but
surely
another
afternoon,
if
not
today,
and
could
I
invite
some
Gil
and
chief
Brown
and
dr.
Selig
up
here
to
talk
to
us.
Thank
you
for
being
with
us
and
I'm.
A
A
Thank
you
for
being
here,
I.
Think,
council
members
a
second
to
get
back
there,
and
this
is
a
question
where
we
asked
the
administration
to
discuss
and
evaluate
any
opportunity
to
bring
back
the
prostitution
outreach
program
that
I
know
our
district
attorney
had
a
hand
in
helping
create
I,
don't
want
to
say
many
years
ago,
but
some
years
ago,
and
also
dr.
Selig
was
with
the
city
at
the
time,
I
believe
and
had
something
to
do
with
that
as
well
and
chief
Brown,
you
were
on
the
police
force
at
that
time.
So
I
was.
D
A
A
J
Selig,
thank
you,
madam
chair,
we're
very
grateful
for
the
council's
inquiry
into
the
history
of
this
program,
as
well
as
recognizing
that
it
might
be
a
good
tool
or
some
iteration
of
it
to
be
a
good
tool
going
forward
with
our
efforts
with
human
trafficking.
Just
for
some
background.
This
program
was
started
by
through
a
Department
of
Justice
grant
and
a
partnership
with
the
city
of
Salt
Lake
and
the
Valley
Department
of
Health
back
in
2000.
J
It
ran
for
about
six
months
from
July
2,
2002
January
of
2001,
and
their
main
goal
was
to
provide
people
who
were
involved
in
prostitution
with
their
resources
to
to
leave
it
so
that
included
connections
with
counseling
health
services,
housing,
for
example.
So
in
doing
some
research,
some
archival
research.
We
have
also
learned
that
a
final
report
was
generated
by
the
health
department
at
that
time
to
discuss
methodology
and
outcomes
and
future
research
that
might
be
helpful
or
practice.
We
are
still
looking
for
that.
J
The
our
recorders
office
and
many
thanks
to
them
for
doing
an
archival
search.
They
even
pulled
boxes
from
a
warehouse
somewhere
and
now
the
the
Health
Department
is
looking
into
that
for
that
piece
of
data.
That
would
help
inform
us
going
forward.
Also,
we
are,
as
you
all
might
recall,
you
put
forward
some
money
for
research
to
the
University
of
Utah,
as
well
as
mayor
of
escapes,
Keys
Office
and
the
District
Attorney's
Office
for
human
trafficking
means
assessment
study.
J
J
They
did
indicate,
though,
that
they
think
that,
based
on
their
experience,
it
may
not
be,
it
may
be
more
suitable
in
the
county's
behavioral
health
unit,
but
it
just
depends
on
what
we
find
from
the
human
trafficking
study
and
with
that
is
an
overview
of
sim
Gill
and
chief
Brown
can
provide
some
more
detail
related
to
their
past
experiences
and
currently
from
a
contemporary
standpoint.
What's
happening,
if
that
is
the
desire
of
the
council,
Thank.
D
K
D
A
K
Madam
chair,
the
the
underlying
basis
for
that
really
was
a
series
of
programs
promised
on
the
idea
of
restorative
justice
and
the
theory
behind
restorative
justice
was
that
when
injuries
happened,
when
crime
happens,
it
causes
injuries
to
victims,
offenders
and
the
communities
in
which
crime
occurs
and
justice
is
really
the
repairing
of
the
injuries.
So
it
was
a
very
holistic
approach
and
what
we
found
out.
At
the
same
time,
we
also
created
a
series
of
other
programs,
including
our
John's
program,
and
this
was
a
as
a
as
a
complement
to
two
different
populations.
K
What
we
discovered
early
on
was
that
when
we
dealt
with
this
population,
we
were
focusing
on
issues
that
pertain
to
often
issues
of
substance
abuse.
There
were
also
a
substantial
amount
of
mental
health
needs.
Unfortunately,
a
lot
of
the
women
who
were
involved
in
this
were
also
victims
of
sexual
trauma
and
their
histories.
So
we
learned
that
those
were
issues
that
we
needed
to
address.
We
saw
some
deficits
which
were
in
the
areas
of
transitional
housing,
as
well
as
to
address
their
issues
of
physical
health
needs
as
well.
Hence
the
partnership
with
the
Health
Department.
K
So
it
was
a
really
powerful
piece
in
that
sense,
and
so
we
found
some
great
initial
success,
but
the
the
continuity
if
it
was
limited
from
a
I
think
a
long
term
policy
commitment
to
recognize
the
full
scope
of
the
issues
that
were
confronting
some
of
these
women,
specifically
the
transitional
housing
piece
as
a
compliment
to
to
the
mental
health
support
that
we
had.
We
also
used
and
our
mental
health
court,
often
sometimes
when
law
enforcement
would
go
out
and
would
make
these
arrests.
K
We
use
that
as
an
opportunity
for
diversion
to
help
these
women
it's
so
we
could
get
right
to
the
core
issue
of
their
mental
health
services
and
needs
that
we
had
and
we
had
multiple
participants
in
mental
health
court
who
also
participated
in
the
prostitution
outreach
project
because
we
had
that
access
to
mental
health
court
as
a
viable
alternative
as
well
so
I
think
at
that
time.
It
was
ahead
of
its
time.
The
chief
and
I've
been
talking
about
as
we
go
forward.
How
we
may
want
to
look
at
some
pilot
projects.
As
dr.
K
Selig
mentions,
we
are
waiting
for
the
human
trafficking
report
to
give
us
some
of
some
insight
and
we've.
Also,
the
chief
and
I've
talked
about
other
opportunities
that
we
can
use
in
terms
of
certain
cases
where
we
could
do
field
diversions
on
some
of
these
cases,
hook
them
up
with
our
community
connection
center
that
we
that
the
city
has
worked
on
for
wraparound
services
and
opportunities.
If
we
can
track
some
of
these
cases,
then
we
can
certainly
from
a
prosecution
perspective
to
me.
K
A
D
Yeah
and
then,
madam
chair
and
council,
to
roll
it
forward,
it
was
a
great
program.
It
it
filled
a
niche.
It
filled
a
need
that
we
desperately
we're
looking
for
and
we
still
need
it
today
and
we
have
a
very.
We
have
a
very
good
organized
crime
unit
that
works
weekly,
trying
to
address
these
problems,
but
so
many
times
they're,
making
arrests
and
that's
where
we
leave
it.
D
We're
never
going
to
arrest
our
way
out
of
this
problem,
because
the
underlying
issues
and
causes
are
probably
substance,
abuse
or
mental
health
issues
or
lack
of
housing
or
whatever
it
might
be.
So
we
need
to
look
at
treating
the
cause
and
not
the
symptoms.
This
would
be
a
great
opportunity
for
Salt
Lake
City,
the
administration,
the
council,
to
work
with
our
health
department,
the
DA's
office
legal
defenders.
Much
like
we
did
an
operation
diversion
an
operation,
Rio
Grande,
because
this
is
is
desperately
needed
out
on
the
streets
right
now
and.
K
If
I
may
just
add
context
to
that,
this
really
came
about
also
in
the
context
man
chaired
that
when
we
looked
at
the
issue
of
commercial
sex
work
that
was
occurring
in
our
community,
we
could
break
it
into
four
categories.
We
had
one
group
that
were
being
pimped
and
exploited
by
those
folks
who
were
looking
at
it
as
a
as
an
abusive
sort
of
impact,
so
we
went
after
them
in
a
very
different
way.
K
So
once
we
identified
the
four
categories,
we
had
to
come
up
with
some
very
specific
strategies
and
this
fit
into
that
third
category,
and
what
we
learned
was
that
there
was
a
lack
of
infrastructure
of
support
for
these
women
who
found
themselves
either
homeless
without
the
physical
health
needs,
often
with
substance
abuse
issues,
and/or
unaddressed,
mental
health
issues,
so
their
complexity
was
far
more
nuanced
than
the
other
three
categories
and,
as
we
think
about
any
opportunities,
I
think
we
need
to
go
in
there.
What
does
our
eyes
open
that?
K
A
I
think
that
the
conversation
I'm
grateful
that
the
conversation
on
a
community-wide
level
has
grown
incredibly
and
that
we
are
not
the
only
ones
having
this
conversation
about
the
need
of
this
particular
demographic.
You
know
that
the
Junior
League
has
coalesced
a
stakeholder
group
that
many
of
us
participate
in
to
look
at
addressing
the
suite
of
needs,
so
to
speak,
not
just
the
judicial
and
the
restorative
justice
components
of
it.
I
wonder
if
you
have
any
information
since
this
last
the
last
time
it
happened,
it
was
with
a
grant
from
DOJ.
K
So
the
resources
are
there.
I
think
is
simply
coordination
of
some
of
those
resources.
So
I
would
say.
Yes,
we
should
look
for
those
grant
opportunities,
but
even
if
those
grant
opportunities
are
not
there,
there
may
be
some
additional
benefits
for
us
to
derive
systemically
by
committing
ourselves
to
this
model.
Yeah.
D
And
madam
chair
just
to
follow
up
on
that
I,
don't
think
we
should
wait
for
for
monies
we're
doing
this
work
right
now,
the
CCC,
the
social
workers.
When
we
do
an
operation,
an
organized-crime
operation,
we
actually
bring
the
social
workers
out
into
the
field
and
try
to
do
this
every
day
that
we
do,
that
we
go
to
work
and
so
I
think
the
pilot
project
project
Asim
speaks
about
right
now
would
be
good
just
let's
just
let's.
A
Dr.
Selig,
what
do
you
need
from
the
council
to
help
this
partnership
and
the
desire
that,
obviously,
our
district
attorney,
our
police
department,
I,
think
the
administration
chairs
a
desire
to
I'm
at
I
should
have
form
that
freeze
that,
in
the
form
of
a
question,
does
the
administration
have
a
desire
to
help
this
desire?
A
J
J
If
what
always
helps
me
is
any
outcome,
measures
or
indicators
for
which
you
all
would
be
looking,
and
that
may
not
be
a
question
that
needs
to
be
answered
right
now,
but
in
essence
it's
what
does
success
look
like
and
what
are
you
gonna
look
for
to
determine
how
we've
moved
the
needle
okay?
So
that's
always
really
helpful.
J
E
Appreciate
waiting
to
see
the
more
information,
so
we
know
number
one
the
scope
and
we're
talking
about
because
of
its
housing-related,
then
we
know
we
have
housing
the
pipeline.
We
know
we
have
options,
but
we
need
no
numbers.
I
think
there
may
be
op
depending
on
the
type
of
housing
we're
looking
at.
There
may
be
opportunities
in
the
current
homeless
revamp
to
look
at
if
we
need
transitional
options,
it's
not
permanent
option,
but
transitional
there
may
be
beds
available
for
to
be
bought,
essentially
so
they're
always
available
instead
of
waiting
in
line
kind
of
thing.
E
That
would
be
a
financial
ask
of
the
council
I'm
thinking,
but
we
need
some
numbers,
like
you
said,
to
understand
we're
talking
about
dozens.
Are
we
talking
about
fewer
more?
How
often
because
if
you
buy
say
a
detox
bed
or
a
Women's,
Resource
Center
bed,
or
something
like
that,
every
woman's
Resource
Center.
But
someone
in
all
those
lines
do
you
need
on
a
daily
basis?
Do
you
need
to
hold
it
open
for
periods
of
time?
Those
are
some
of
the
details
will
be
helpful
to
know.
A
K
Add
that
I
think
we
need
to
go
in
there
with
our
eyes
open
that
this
is
the
highest
risk
population
that
you're
talking
about
so
so
it
is
going
to
be
a
little
bit
more
intensive
in
terms
of
what
what
the
experience
that
I
learned
from
this
was
that
you
need
to
have
a
continuity
of
contact
and
availability
of
resources
for
this
population,
and
you
have
to
approach
it
in
a
layered
approach.
Your
first
response
might
be
a
harm
reduction
approach
in
terms
of
initial
contact.
K
A
Want
to
be
respectful
of
our
next
agenda
item
time
and
thank
you
for
being
here
could
I
ask
as
a
follow-up
that,
after
the
needs
assessment
report,
comes
back,
that
I
I
would
love
to
volunteer
council
member
Johnson
to
me,
I,
don't
know
if
you
would
like
to
attend
a
meeting
I'd
be
happy
to
host
a
meeting
where
we
could
pick
up
the
questions
or
the
gaps
identified
in
that
report
and
reconvene.
This
conversation.
K
A
K
A
Genuinely
appreciate
your
partnership
over
a
decade
more
than
a
decade,
some
in
identifying
human
trafficking
needs
and
bringing
them
to
a
public
and
light
conversation
and
being
willing
to
explore
new
partnerships
and
new
ways
to
serve
this
population.
That
is,
as
you
said,
with
the
greatest
needs,
the
highest
risk.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Thank.
D
A
Coming
back
with
us,
so
in
our
game
of
hopscotch,
now
we're
going
to
jump
to
item
three,
the
executive
water
task
force
interim
subcommittees
update.
We
have
30
minutes.
We
have
Sam
Owen
from
the
council
office,
our
policy
analyst
I,
believe
Laura
briefer.
Our
director
of
Public
Utilities
kam,
deal
Cameron
deal
executive.
You
totally
give
cities
and
towns
thanks
for
being
with
us
in
Lin
pace.
Are
you
here,
Lin
I'm
sure
it'll
be
here
in
a
minute
our
senior
adviser
to
the
mayor
come
on
up.
A
L
These
items
included
the
extraterritorial
jurisdiction
piece,
as
well
as
a
potential
constitutional
amendment,
some
legislative
changes
that
would
be
a
companion
to
a
constitutional
amendment
and
some
discussion
about
private
property
in
the
Wasatch
canyons
I
just
want
to
say
a
note
on
process.
The
the
expectations
from
these
subcommittees
is
to
provide
recommendations.
L
I
should
also
another
note
on
process
after
having
an
attended,
almost
every
single
subcommittee
meeting
I
do
want
to
tell
this
group
that
I
am
very
impressed
by
the
balance
of
the
subcommittee's.
The
type
of
discussion
that's
happening,
the
tone
of
the
subcommittee's,
something
that
started
up
really
as
a
target
regarding
Salt
Lake,
City's
water
policy
practices
has
has
brought
the
community
of
municipalities
and
water,
provide
municipal
water
providers
together
to
talk
about
these
issues
much
more
in
depth.
L
So
all
in
all,
it's
been
a
pretty
good
experience
with
respect
to
the
extraterritorial
jurisdiction
subcommittee.
There
were
a
couple
of
items
that
we
were
talking
we
have
been
talking
about
in
that
subcommittee.
One
item
is
a
question
related
to
the
jurisdiction
of
first
class
cities
if
they
extend
their
watershed
protection,
jurisdiction
outside
of
county
boundaries,
I
think
we've
come
to
a
solution
on
that
and
working
closely
with
other
counties
such
as
Wasatch
and
Duchesne
County.
L
So
a
result
of
that
is,
we
may
see
some
proposed
well.
You
may
see
recommendations
for
a
proposed
legislation
in
October
to
clarify
a
jurisdiction
of
note.
It
would
be
a
clarification
that
should
I'm
in
a
city
of
the
first
class
wish
to
extend
it's
jurisdiction
for
water,
watershed
protection
and
water
pollution
prevention
outside
of
its
county
of
origin.
It
would
have
it
could
only
do
so
by
some
type
of
formal
agreement
with
those
other
counties
or
cities
that
have
jurisdiction.
Larry.
L
L
The
impetus
for
that
discussion
has
been
whether
customers
of
a
municipal
water
system
that
are
outside
of
a
municipal
boundaries
have
appropriate
representation
in
the
setting
of
water
rates.
Weather
rates
are
being
set
with
a
rational
basis
and
and
whether
there's
transparency
included
in
terms
of
the
extent
of
the
water
service
area.
L
So
there
is
some
language
and
I've
I've
provided
to
you
what
the
existing
proposed
languages
on
all
of
these.
It
may
change
again,
as
we
have
a
few
other
subcommittee
meetings
to
work
through
some
of
this
language,
so
I'll
stop
right
there,
because
I
know
that
the
league
has
a
nice
presentation
that
goes
through
some
detail
on
this
too,
when
one
thing
to
mention
about
working
closely
with
the
league.
L
These
these
issues
are
not
solely
a
Salt
Lake
City
issue,
and
there
are
cities
across
the
state
that
provide
water
outside
their
municipal
boundaries
that
protect
their
watersheds
outside
their
boundaries,
for
pollution
and
in
order
to
protect
water
supplies
on
public
health,
and
so
many
of
the
discussions
that
we've
had
affect
cities,
large
and
small,
urban
and
rural,
and
everyone
has
a
slightly
different
take
on
it.
So
that's
also
an
important
note
when,
when
we
hear
from
the
league.
M
She'll
be
here
at
some
point:
she
had
a
meeting
on
housing,
one
of
the
quiet
issues
for
us
this
summer,
so
she'll
be
here
at
some
point.
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity,
madam
chair,
to
speak
to
you
and
to
the
members
of
the
Salt
Lake
City
Council,
and
it's
it's
been
a
pleasure
working
alongside
city
staff,
Laura,
Lynn,
rusty
and
others.
Micra
burg
and
others
who've
been
heavily
involved
in
this
water
conversation.
M
This
summer,
Laura
brought
up
a
very
key
point,
and
that
is
the
the
conversation
about
water
is
not
specific
or
exclusive
to
Salt
Lake
City.
Now
at
times
it
feels
that
way.
Yeah
and
in
fact,
during
this
past
legislative
session,
Lara
referenced
our
soon.
There
were
several
bills
that
came
forward,
three
of
which,
in
particular
the
set
the
stage
for
this
summer's
worth
of
discussion.
M
House
bill
135
is
representing
Noelle's
bill
on
watershed
and
extraterritorial
water
jurisdiction.
It's
important
to
note
that
when
he
sponsored
know
every
when
he
first
introduced
that
bill
it
affected,
every
city
in
town
in
the
state
I
went
in
to
meet
with
them
during
the
first
week
of
the
legislative
session,
armed
with
local
ordinances,
from
penguia
to
American
Fork.
To
talk
about
what
the
language
in
his
bill
would
mean
for
watershed.
M
Protection
across
the
state
represented
Noel,
greeted
me
and
said:
I
know
why
you're
here,
don't
worry
I'm,
excluding
all
cities,
except
for
cities
of
the
first
class,
and
so
when
I
walked
out
of
the
meeting.
I
immediately
found
Lynn
I
said
good
news
and
bad
news.
The
good
news
is
242
of
the
247.
Cities
are
no
longer
directly
impacted
by
the
bill.
The
bad
news
is
five
still
are.
Yours
is
one
of
them
and
we
chuckle
in
commiseration
or
whether
we
still
oppose
the
bill,
and
we
opposed.
M
M
Unfortunately,
there
is
a
perception
at
the
Capitol
that
local
government
is
an
obstacle
to
progress
and,
as
you
unfortunately
know,
and
that
narrative
at
times
seems
squarely
focused
on
Salt
Lake
City
in
the
case
of
water,
you
are
not
alone
and
in
all
issues
you
are
not
alone.
That's
and
that's.
Why
we're
here
as
the
league
is
to
try
to
bring
this
big
picture
perspective.
We
represent
247
cities
and
towns,
there's
just
a
quick
background
of
our
board
of
directors
which
is
expanding
next
week
in
our
conference.
M
Hopefully,
you'll
all
be
able
to
join
us
for
all
the
report
of
the
conference.
Then
our
Executive
Board
there.
We
have
board
members
from
all
over
the
state
who
all
of
them
are
concerned
about
water
and
so
what
we,
what
we,
what
we
initiated
at
the
beginning
of
the
syndrome
I
mentioned
those
three
bills,
is:
first,
we
met
with
Mike
styler,
Ann
Boyd
Clayton.
M
To
make
sure
we
had
municipal
representation
on
each
of
the
four
study
groups
and
as
Laura
referenced,
they
were
very
responsive
and
very
receptive
to
making
sure
that
there
was
a
diversity
of
voices
in
these
water
groups.
So
we
made
sure
we
had
League
represent
from
cities
around
the
state
on
each
of
the
four
water
groups.
M
M
So,
for
example,
Laura
mentioned
that
there
are
other
cities
beyond
Salt
Lake
City
that
provide
retail,
culinary
water
outside
of
the
city.
We
had
47
respondents
to
that
particular
question
and,
as
you
can
see,
23
of
the
47
said.
Yes,
the
survey
closed
at
the
end
of
June
since
that
time,
I've
spoken
with
several
other
cities
around
the
state
who
did
not
submit
the
survey
but
who
also
provide
water
outside
of
their
boundaries.
M
We
are
expecting
legislation
to
it
as
of
now
to
address
the
extraterritorial
peace
and
to
address
the
surplus
water
peace
in
conjunction
with
a
proposed
constitutional
amendment,
which
will
have
to
go
through
the
legislature
and
then
ultimately
be
voted
on
by
the
residents
of
the
state.
On
the
extraterritorial
side,
there
would
still
be
a
legal
distinction
between
cities
of
the
first
class
and
other
municipalities.
That's
current
law.
There
already
is
a
distinction
about
how
far
you
can
regulate
and
protect
the
watershed.
M
Above
your
water
sources
focus
we've
worked
really
hard
in
conjunction
with
Lawren
and
the
city
to
keep
the
focus
in
this
conversation
on
Pollution
Control
and
watershed
management.
This
is
not
about
surplus
water
delivery.
This
is
not
about
the
supply
to
connections
outside
of
the
city
or
to
users
outside
of
the
city.
This
we
really
wanted
to
keep
this
conversation
about
the
about
pollution
and
on
August
31st,
which
is
the
Friday
before
Labor
Day.
M
The
really
the
biggest
focus
from
our
perspective
has
been
this
discussion
of
the
constitutional
amendment.
This
is
not
the
first
time
that
this
topic
has
come
up.
In
fact,
as
I've
chatted
with
the
water,
buffalos
and
people
who've
been
involved
in
water
longer
than
I've
been
alive
said
this
has
come
up
every
decade
or
so
for
the
last
30
or
40
years
of
whether
or
not
clarification
was
needed
in
the
Constitution.
What
the
current
proposed
change
would
look
like
would
include,
first
deleting
the
word
Water
Works
from
the
constitutional
prohibition
right
now.
M
The
constitutional
prohibition
and
I
do
have
a
copy
of
it.
If
you
want
to
see
a
copy
of
that
language,
but
in
the
constitutional
prohibition
does
not
allow
a
city
to
to
sell
water
rights
or
sell
waterworks.
This
would
delete
that
word.
Water
works
with
companion
legislation
that
would
define
that
a
city
could
sell
waterworks
only
to
another
public
entity
that
provides
water.
Think
about
that
from
just
a
logistical
perspective
of
why
that
makes
sense
if
you're
an
established
city
that
has
waterworks,
that's
providing
water,
say
outside
of
your
city
to
an
area.
M
That's
growing,
then,
that
area
outside
of
your
city
grows
to
such
a
point
where
they
want
to
provide
that
water.
They
shouldn't
necessarily
have
to
go
ahead
and
build
a
companion
water
work
facility.
There
should
be
a
way
for
that
originating
city
to
transfer
that
water
work
still
control
the
underlying
water
right,
but
transfer
that
water
work
to
a
grow,
that
growing
city.
That's
what
deleting
the
word
Water
Works
and
having
that
companion
legislation
would
facilitate,
and
our
board
was
comfortable
with
that
approach.
M
This
is
the
key
one
and
and
I
want
to
applaud
rusty
from
the
City
Attorney's
office,
because
he's
been
instrumental
in
these
conversations
as
well
as
Lynn
and
the
rest
of
your
team,
but
deleting
the
word
inhabitants
in
the
Constitution,
because
that's
where
part
of
this
confusion
is
even
the
right
word,
but
you
have
you
have
multiple
attorneys.
You
get
multiple
opinions,
but
the
question
of
inhabitants.
M
So
stick
around
and
we
can
talk
about
the
river
clause
in
more
detail.
Then
then,
you
still
as
a
city
whether
you're,
Salt,
Lake
or
another
city,
can
contract
water
outside
of
the
DWS.
A
those
terms
would
not
be
spelled
out
in
statute.
They
in
turn
would
be
spelled
out
in
the
contract.
We
presented
this
constitutional
amendment,
language
to
our
board
of
directors
a
couple
of
weeks
ago.
M
Last
thing
is
the
is
the
legislative
companion
to
the
constitutional
change
and
that
would
be
potential
changes
to
water
supplies
and
surplus
water,
where
the
city
would
have
some
requirements.
If
you're
going
to
designate
a
designated
water
service
area,
you
would
have
to
create
a
map
that
you
would
post
on
your
website,
as
well
as
on
the
state
engineers
website.
I
mentioned
the
the
ordinance
piece.
That's
crucial,
you
as
a
council
would
set
reasonable
water
rates
by
ordinance.
There
would
be
notice
requirements
for
that.
M
A
public
meeting
opportunity
for
all
users
and
the
rates
can
still
differ
by
class
of
user
as
long
as
it's
a
by
a
reasonable,
reasonable
basis
and
we've
been
adamant
on
that
point.
There
is
a
greater
cost.
The
further
away
you
go
from
your
source
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
you
can
collect
the
reasonable
cost
there.
This
has
been
the
the
last
major
bullet
point
under
the
city,
shell.
M
This
has
also
been
a
major
point
of
discussion
because
representative
Coleman
and
some
of
the
other
stakeholders
have
been
concerned
that
people
who
are
not
voters
of
the
city
are
disenfranchised
from
participating
in
the
conversation
about
water
rates.
Our
response
to
that
has
been
that
the
idea
of
enfranchisement
really
is
tied
to
where
you
vote
and
where
you
live,
and
if
you
live
in
one
city,
you
should
not
be
able
to
vote
in
another
city.
M
Instead,
what
we've
been
focusing
on
is
ensuring
that
there's
good
due
process
at
the
beginning,
so
we've
talked
about
creating
an
advisory
board
where,
if
there's
a
certain
threshold
of
users
that
are
outside
of
the
city
and
then
there
would
be
a
comparable
percentage
of
individuals
outside
of
the
city
that
would
sit
on
that
advisory
board.
It
would
still
be
a
minority
of
the
advisory
board,
but
it
would
be
a
substantial
number
to
ensure
that
there
is
a
voice
at
the
table
or
seat
at
the
table.
M
Excuse
me
for
all
users,
not
just
users
that
can
exercise
the
right
to
vote
within
the
city,
and
then
you
can
see
that
the
city
may
provide
water
by
contract.
That's
your
surplus
water
contract
and
may
sell
part
or
all
the
water
works
to
a
public
entity.
So
in
a
nutshell
that
covers
the
last.
However,
many
months
now,
water
discussions
again
really
appreciated
the
opportunity
to
work
with
Salt
Lake
City
staff,
and
we
think
we've
arrived
at
a
good
process.
M
L
A
Great
Cameron,
thanks
for
that
wonderful
presentation,
it
gives
us
I
think
a
better
sense
of
what
is
coming
or
it
was
likely
to
be
coming
down
the
road
and
it's
it's
refreshing
and
good,
to
hear
director
briefer
from
your
perspective
that
it's
been
an
inclusive
and
really
collaborative
process.
So
far
so
councilmembers,
do
you
have
questions
for
this
humongous
issue,
that's
being
tackled
in
a
really
short
amount
of
time
by
a
great
many
stakeholders,
Council
member
Luke.
Thank.
D
D
C
B
A
C
Terms
of
what
to
expect
the
these
four
subcommittees
were
required
to
provide
their
recommendations
back
by
the
end
of
September.
What
that
means
is
in
the
October
interim
legislative
interim
meetings,
you'll
get
a
full
report
of
their
recommendations,
including
the
text
and
and
at
that
point
the
the
really
interesting
dialogue
begins,
because
we'll
start
to
see
at
that
point,
whether
legislators
embrace
the
compromise
and-
and
if
so
will,
what
will
be
largely
a
consensus
bill
or
whether
legislators
will
push
back
and
say
no.
C
This
doesn't
go
far
enough
or
we
want
to
do
something
different,
in
which
case
there'll
be
some
interesting
fireworks
to
watch,
but
in
a
perfect
world.
What
we
would
see
is
there'd
be
a
report
back
at
the
October
interim
committee
meeting
and
if,
if
all
goes
well,
we'll
get
a
sponsor
that
will
then
take
each
of
these
recommendations
and
you
would
get
as
many
as
four
different
pieces
of
legislation.
That
would
then
be
endorsed
by
the
subcommittee,
the
natural
resources
interim
committee
and
then
move
forward
into
the
session.
C
But
that's
if
everything
runs
smoothly,
so
we'll
wait
and
report
back
depending
on
what
we
see
because,
as
you
know,
they're
varying
views
within
the
legislature,
but
we
we
are,
as
Laura
said,
I
think
we
are
pleased
with
the
process
that
has
occurred
to
date.
We
think
they're,
reasonable
minds,
have
studied
the
issues
thoroughly
and
have
been
cognizant
of
the
issues
not
just
for
Salt
Lake
City,
but
for
cities
across
the
state,
and
so
we're
optimistic
that
we've
got
a
very
good
process
going
into
the
legislature.
A
You
and
thanks
all
of
you
for
your
above-and-beyond
service,
on
behalf
of
the
247
cities
and
towns
in
the
state
and
on
behalf
of
all
of
our
water
users,
the
public
good
Thank,
You,
director
briefer
and
Thank
You
Lynn
for
keeping
our
conversations
relevant
at
the
state
thanks
Sam
for
being
with
us
and
we'll
tie
this
conversation
up
for
now.
Council
we've
got
a
break
until
4:00
o'clock
until
our
fact-finding
we're
a
few
minutes
early.
A
B
Cindy
so
everyone's
aware
of
the
United
Nations
conference
that
will
be
held
here
next
year,
there
is
a
small
delegation
coming
to
Salt
Lake
City
in
October.
The
chair
and
vice
chair
were
talking
this
morning
about
it
and
wanted
to
check
with
the
council
to
see
whether
the
council
would
be
supportive
hosting
some
sort
of
a
courtesy,
social
event
with
with
these
guests,
when
they
come
to
Salt
Lake
City,
to
make
plans
for
this
conference,
and
it
probably
would
be
something
that
would
be
co-hosted
with
the
mayor.
B
B
A
For
the
folks
who
don't
know
what
conference
we're
talking
about,
it's
the
Department
of
Public
Information
nongovernmental
organizations-
that
you
give
me
a
moment,
dpi
NGO
conference
that
has
never
been
in
another
US
city,
except
New,
York
City
any
time
it
hasn't
been
in
New
York,
it's
been
overseas.
So
it's
an
incredible
thing
that
it's
coming
here
and
a
great
opportunity
for
our
whole
community
to
take
part
in
these
worldwide
conversations.
D
I
actually
think
during
a
social
event
would
be
spectacular
and
a
great
opportunity
for
us
to
engage
in
a
little
bit
more.
Maybe
casual
setting
with
some
of
these
folks
and
I
would
really
value
that
opportunity,
whether
I'm,
here
or
not,
but
I,
will
say
to
your
point
James
about
the
Lisa
and
whether
or
not
she's
coming
I'd
like
to
build
on
that.
D
And
just
let
everybody
know
that
I
had
a
conversation
with
former
councilmember
Lisa
Adams
last
week,
and
she
told
me
that
mayor
boo,
scoopski
came
before
the
UN
I
believe
maybe
a
week
and
a
half
ago
or
so,
and
they
did
a
like
a
really
fantastic
job,
pitching
Salt
Lake
and
was
incredibly
articulate
and
just
hit
it
out
of
the
park,
and
so
that
I
would
share
that
bit
of
information
with
everybody.
Great.
B
D
D
A
And
a
few
a
couple
other
council
members
will
be
joining
us
in
just
a
moment.
We
have
the
opportunity
tonight
to
hear
from
several
great
guests
to
talk
to
us
about
the
inland
port,
their
own
areas
of
expertise
in
thinking
about
this
incredible
project
and
opportunity
that
the
state
is
undertaking,
and
first
we
get
to
hear
from
the
executive
director
of
the
Gardner
Policy
Institute
Natalie
dr.,
who
is
a
fantastic
resource
to
the
entire
state
of
Utah,
but
particularly
the
conversations
like
this
for
Salt
Lake
City.
We
thank
you
for
being
with
us
today.
A
N
A
N
Great,
my
hope
would
be
to
be
responsive
to
questions
that
people
have
that
things
that
are,
in
my
background,
that
might
be
helpful
here.
I
don't
serve
on
the
board
I'm,
not
part
of
you,
know,
state
or
local
government
I
work
in
a
Public
Policy
Institute.
That
does
research,
but
we
did
prepare
the
initial
Salt
Lake
inland
port
market
assessment.
So
this
is
dated
August,
2016
and
I.
Don't
know
if
all
of
you
knew
that,
but
this
was
sort
of
an
initial
like
mm
survey
of
the
field.
N
You
asked
for
my
input
on
on
several
questions,
but
three
of
them
really
relate
to
my
area
of
expertise.
One
was
what
needs
to
happen
to
make
the
inland
port
successful.
How
can
the
city
help
to
make
it
successful
and
then
three,
what
are
some
of
the
best
practices?
You
would
like
to
see
the
inland
port
authority
implement
and
I
want
to
answer
all
of
those
questions
with
the
same
answer,
and
that
answer
has
kind
of
two
components
you
toss
in
port
effort
needs
a
unified
vision.
N
So
that's
the
first
point
supported
by
the
best
technical
support
available.
That's
the
second
point
and
I
think
the
city
can
help
by
being
a
full
partner
in
creating
the
vision
and
in
making
sure
the
inland
Port
Authority
board.
Has
that
superb
technical
support
to
make
the
vision
happen
so
vision
whenever
you
throw
out
the
word
vision,
it's
a
little
bit
controversial.
N
Well,
it's
complicated,
because
what
is
vision
to
one
person
might
be
another
thing
to
something
else:
either
because
of
different
visions
or
different
definitions
of
visions,
and
you
might
say
the
fact
that
we
have
an
inland
port
authority
board.
We've
already
have
the
vision
and
I
want
to
challenge
that
a
bit,
because
I
think
that
technical
analysis
informs
the
vision
and
I
think
until
you
have
the
requisite
technical
analysis,
it's
pretty
hard
to
create
the
vision
that
serves
everybody's
interests.
N
N
You
know
analytics
that
help
inform
a
vision.
It
won't
eliminate
controversy,
but
it
will
minimize.
It
I
think
that
in
many
ways
controversy
is
the
enemy
of
vision,
because
it
takes
resources
away
from
the
difficult
task
of
vision.
Making
and
I
would
use
your
influence
as
a
major
partner
in
the
inland
port,
on
the
inland
port
authority
board
and
being
the
capital
city
to
encourage
the
investment
in
data
collection
and
analysis
that
creates
the
right
vision
for
this
community.
N
A
N
A
And
to
also
the
public
conversation
here
that
over
the
summer,
the
City
Council
chose
to
sit
at
the
negotiating
table
to
represent
the
interests
of
city
residents
and
taxpayers
regarding
the
creation
of
the
inland
Port
Authority,
and
we
appreciated
the
opportunity
to
work
collaboratively
and
productively
with
state
leaders
and
the
legislature.
The
revised
legislation
that
it
was
adopted
in
the
special
session
created
a
foundation
for
future
success.
But
we
acknowledge
that
the
work
isn't
done.
C
A
A
This
body
has
heard
the
complaints
that
our
residents
have
not
been
heard
enough
and
we
believe
that
the
inland
port
board
has
heard
that
also
the
council
will
hear
from
stakeholders
and
community
members
on
issues
pertaining
to
local
government
sustainability,
economic
development
and
planning
for
future
impacts
to
city
budget
and
resources
and
you'll
see
the
theme
reflected
in
some
of
the
presentation
materials.
In
addition
to
these
fact-finding
briefings,
the
council
will
hold
a
public
hearing
on
September
18th
to
hear
feedback
from
the
broad
community
about
concerns
they
have.
A
The
council's
intent
is
to
use
this
feedback
to
inform
the
city
on
potential
changes
on
process
clarifications
and
improvements
that
could
be
made
to
the
inland
Port
Authority.
This
information
will
be
shared,
then,
with
the
inland
port
board
for
their
considerations,
as
they
establish
their
policies
and
procedures
for
future
development
of
the
port.
This
is
a
unique
opportunity
for
the
council
to
shed
light
help
shed
light
on
a
complicated
topic
for
key
stakeholders
to
share
their
expertise
and
feedback
in
a
public
setting
and
for
the
public
to
be
heard.
N
I
interrupt
no,
but
it's
a
great
you're
asking
for
feedback
and
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
be
here
to
share
it
and
again.
My
primary
point
is
that
the
inland
port
effort
needs
a
unified
vision,
supported
by
the
best
technical
support
available.
So
let
me
jump
to
the
technical
support
available,
because
that's
where
my
area
of
expertise
is
I
have
not
attended
any
of
the
inland
port
meetings
or
anything.
N
I
just
want
to
make
the
point
to
this
body
and
encourage
you
to
recommend
to
the
Port
Authority
board
that
there
is
incredible
local
expertise
and
I
think
it
would
be
very
valuable
for
the
Port
Authority
board
to
form
a
technical
team
to
support
the
Port
Authority
board
and
I
view
that
as
a
different
endeavor
than
the
RFP.
So
they
think
of
the
RFP
is
bringing
in
someone
who's
worked
in.
N
You
know
many
different
areas
on
ports
and
has
all
this
specialized
expertise
on
port
planning
and
the
global
supply
chain,
and
you
know
I,
don't
know
air
transportation,
rail
transportation,
all
those
things.
That's
not
what
I'm
talking
about
what
I'm
talking
about
is
a
technical
team
that
takes
the
expertise
that
exists
locally
in
transportation,
in
air
quality,
modeling
in
real
estate,
modeling
in
economic
development,
modeling
fiscal
impact,
modeling
and
and
in
even
water
resource
modeling,
to
understand
the
alternative
futures
that
this
port
represent
to
our
state
and
I.
N
Just
don't
think,
there's
been
enough
emphasis
place
there.
So
let
me
just
give
you
an
example:
transportation
modeling
that
is
done
in
the
metropolitan
areas
by
the
Wasatch
Front
Regional
Council.
They
get
a
lot
of
support
from
you
dot.
A
lot
of
support
from
UTA
and
certainly
Salt.
Lake
City
has
a
lot
of
transportation
planning
expertise.
Those
people
need
to
be
at
the
table.
N
Analyzing
alternative
futures
of
this
port
because
we
need
to
know
what's
going
to
happen
in
terms
of
you
know:
congestion
and
and
travel
times,
and
all
those
sorts
of
things
of
course
related
to
transportation.
Modeling
is
air
quality
modeling
and
the
out
of
state
entity
doesn't
have
that
expertise.
N
We
have
it
here
and
it
resides
at
the
Department
of
Environmental,
Quality
and
and
the
division
of
air
quality
and
the
the
transportation
air
quality
modeling
all
has
to
speak
to
each
other
related
to
that
is
the
real
estate
modeling,
because,
where
you
build
things,
changes,
transportation
patterns
and
indeed
the
Wasatch
Front
regional
council
has
a
real
estate
model
that
could
be
put
to
use
here
at
the
Gardner
Policy
Institute.
We
have
economic
development
and
fiscal
impact
models.
N
We
can
tell
you
the
the
jobs
and
wages
and
tax
revenues
that
come
from
different
futures
for
a
port
and
there's
even
expertise
in
collecting
public
sentiment
measurement,
those
sorts
of
things.
So
my
primary
point
is
to
help
the
inland
Port
Authority
Board
understand
that
there
is
a
technical
expertise.
That's
here
locally,
that
has
not
been
put
to
work
and
it
doesn't
just
happen
by
accident.
N
You
have
to
convene
them
and
you
have
to
pick
a
leader
and
they
have
to
be
given
a
charge
and
in
some
cases
they
have
to
be
given
a
budget
to
do
what
they
need
to
do.
Although
many
of
these
are
in
public
service
for
an
entity
like
mine,
the
RFP
process
is
very
strange
because
we
don't
go
compete
because
we're
a
public
entity.
I
have
state
funds
that
do
a
lot
of
what
I
do
and
so
I
need
to
be
asked
to
do
things.
N
I
don't
go
compete
and
when
an
RFP
process
comes
to
us
and
says
hey,
we
want
you
on
our
team.
What
I
get
is
about
five
or
six
engineering,
consulting
firms
that
all
want
us
to
be
on
their
team.
You
see
what
I'm
saying,
and
so
we
can
be
on
their
teams.
But
my
my
prime
point
is
that
well
before
you're
figuring
out
how
you
build
a
port,
how
you
operate
a
port,
what
the
market
is
for
the
port.
N
N
So
my
my
pitch
would
be
that
armed
with
this
knowledge,
the
inland
port
authority
board
could
choose
the
future
that
maximizes
public
benefits,
minimizes
public
costs
and
then
ask
the
business
plan
to
be
built
that
that
supports
that
I
will
close
by
just
saying
that
I've
made
a
lot
of
pitch
about
data
and
research
and
models
and
technical
analysis
and
I.
Don't
think
for
a
minute
that
that
work
replaces
our
thinking
I
only
think
it
informs
our
thinking,
not
everything
that
can
be
counted
counts
and
not
everything
that
counts
can
be
counted.
N
But
we
should
give
policymakers
of
this
city
and
of
the
state
the
best
information
we
can
by
utilizing
local
expertise
and
I'm,
confident
that
if
we
provide
great
information,
we'll
have
less
controversy,
more
progress
and
a
really
wonderful
asset
for
this
city
in
the
state
and
with
that
I'll
just
open
it
up
for
questions.
Erin,
Thank.
A
N
Vision,
emphasis
very
informal,
so
anyone
that
asked
me
I've
said
and
to
some
in
this
room.
I've
said:
why
aren't
we
looking
at
scenarios?
One
of
the
questions
you
asked
is
you
know
what
are
best
practices
and
when
you
have
something
this
large
and
it
has
a
you
know,
I'm
gonna
say
a
50-year
life.
This
brings
all
sorts
of
uncertainty
and
this
is
where
scenario
analysis
is
very
interesting,
because
what
we
do
in
scenario
analysis
is
we
say
under
this
scenario,
we're
gonna
really
push
the
envelope.
N
Then
you
do
the
same
thing
on
a
more
sustainable
environmental,
friendly
kind
of
port,
and
you
say:
okay,
we're
gonna,
do
one
that's
much
more
of
a
nitch
port
that
you
know
speaks
to
a
specific
type
of
you
know:
trade
and
whatnot
I,
don't
know
the
details
of
it,
but
but
again
you'd
have
minimal
impacts
there
and
and
then
what
you
do
is
say.
Well,
let's
do
some
things
in
between
and
when
you
model
those
you'd
be
able
to
say.
N
A
common
thing
in
environmental
impact
assessments:
we
certainly
did
it
in
some
of
our
Olympic
planning.
I
was
in
the
governor's
office
at
the
time
you
you're
basically
saying
what
is
it
possible
for
us
to
know
about
the
future
and
how
do
our
policy
levers
affect
it?
And
then
you
start
to
hone
in
on
a
preferred
scenario
and
I
fear
that
I
mean
as
a
as
an
economist
in
the
state
who
has
to
talk
about
this.
N
A
lot
I
have
never
ever
seen
anything
that
told
me
what
the
you
know:
transportation
metrics
are
from
a
port
and
we're
pretty
far
down
the
road
to
not
know
that
I've
never
seen
what
the
air
quality
impacts
would
be.
We're
pretty
far
down
the
road
to
not
know
that
and
it's
fine
we
can
totally
catch
up,
but
I
just
wanted
to
make
it
really
clear
that
at
least
in
my
mind,
I
view
this
RFP
that
they're
talking
about
as
a
needed
and
helpful
component
of
the
planning
for
this.
A
N
Whether
you
call
it
a
business
plan
or
whether
you
just
call
it
planning
for
the
part,
let's
just
call
it
planning
for
the
port
I
mean
the
Salt
Lake
City
International
Airport
had
a
public
engagement
process
to
go
survey.
People
find
out
what
they
wanted
in
the
airport
and
then
they
tried
to
you
know
put
that
into
the
plans.
N
I
only
know
that,
because
I
served
on
the
board
during
that
time,
but
it
makes
a
lot
of
sense
that
you
would
do
the
same
thing
for
this
port,
in
other
words,
that
you
would
have
a
professional
firm
that
works
on
behalf
of
the
inland
port
authority
board,
to
measure
public
sentiment
to
get
public
input
and
to
summarize
it
for
the
Port
Authority
board,
so
that
they
understand
and
I
think
that
could
take
the
form
of
qualitative
research
which
is
focus
groups.
It
could
take
quantitative
research
where
you're
actually
doing
surveys
random.
B
Natalie,
some
of
you
know
that
Natalie
and
I
have
spoken
briefly
and
periodically
about
what
are
all
the
different
types
of
ways
that
Natalie
could
think
of
where
the
Gardiner
Policy
Institute
could
be
part
of
this
conversation
or
could
help
to
engage
the
public
or
the
interest
groups
or
things
like
that.
What
it's
such
an
important
institution
in
our
community,
what
what
kinds
of
things
could
you
possibly
do
and
you've
mentioned
is
the
scenario
being
part
of
a
group?
That's
looks
at
different
scenarios.
B
O
B
N
Great,
you
know
I,
so
I.
You
know,
I,
think
that
the
technical
team
should
be
formed.
I
think
that
the
Gardner
Policy
Institute
would
have
a
lot
to
offer
on
that
technical
team.
I.
Don't
think
that
we're
the
right
entity
to
lead
it
in
part,
because
I
think
the
dominant
amount
of
work
is
transportation
and
that's
not
a
you
know.
A
core
competency
of
ours
I
would
see
someone
like
the
Wasatch
Front
regional
council,
leading
a
transportation
while
leading
a
technical
team.
N
They
by
the
way,
have
someone
there
who
has
incredible
experience
in
doing
just
this
type
of
work.
A
gentleman
named
Ted
Knowlton,
so
I
just
throw
that
out
at
Gardner.
What
we
could
do
on
the
technical
team
is
we
could
we
could
host
the
focus
groups
to
help
them
understand
that
we
could
do
a
survey
on
behalf
of
the
Port
Authority
board,
but
what
we
could
really
do
is
put
our
models
to
work,
so
we
can
do
economic
impact
analysis
to
help
us
know.
N
If
you
do
this
size
port,
what
does
it
do
to
our
population
growth?
What
does
it
do
to
jobs?
What
does
it
do
to
income,
how
much
tax
revenue
to
various
jurisdictions
get
under
it?
We
could
even
do
some
research
on
how
helpful
is
it
to
have
a
tighter
connection
to
the
global
supply
chain?
What
are
the
types
of
manufacturing
jobs
we
could
target?
N
Given
that,
as
you
know,
the
real
chary
of
an
inland
port
is
the
way
that
it
connects
Utah
companies
to
the
world
and
if
you
just
take
a
second
think
of
rural
Utah,
where
we
have
eight
counties
that
are
contracting
not
growing
in
an
environment
where
our
state
leads
the
nation
and
job
growth.
So
we
truly
have
a
silent
recession
in
our
state
and
a
tale
of
two
Utah's
and
rural
Utah's
on
the
losing
end
of
it.
N
An
inland
port
could
be
amazingly
helpful
to
getting
products
in
rural
Utah
to
the
into
the
global
supply
chain,
but
you
have
to
analyze
it.
You
have
to
understand
it.
What
kind
of
products
and
what's
the
transportation
patterns
to
get
them
here
so
and
you
can
design
the
port
to
be
more
helpful
to
a
broader
geography
if
you
want
to
so
those
are
some
ideas
that
would
be
helpful.
Are
we
have
expertise
in
economics,
demographics
and
survey
research,
and
we
very
much
appreciate
our
partnership
with
the
city
yeah
go
ahead.
Please.
B
N
Happy
to
do
that
there's
a
term
of
art
that
is
used,
it's
called
deliberative
community
engagement
and
we
do
some
of
that
at
Gardner,
Policy,
Institute,
deliberative
community
engagement
is
when
you
inform
people
and
then
ask
them
what
they
think.
So
you
don't
just
bring
people
in
and
say,
tell
us
your
thoughts.
You
actually
share
a
rich
body
of
information
with
them
and
then
ask
them.
That's
the
deliberative
part,
and
so
in
when
you
do
that
you
would
bring
in
a
group
of
people.
N
You
could
do
that
at
the
Gardner
Policy
Institute,
you
sit
them
around
a
table,
you
show
them
data
and
research,
you
talk,
you
engage
and
then
from
that
you
then
ask
their
opinions,
and
so
what
Cindy
is
referring
to
is
often
when
you
do
that
you
have
a
placemat
in
front
of
everyone
that
lays
out
some
of
the
essential
data.
So
in
an
inland
port
you
might
show
the
the
geography
of
it.
You
might
show
the
level
of
exports
from
our
state.
N
You
might
show
you
know
a
model
run
of
what
the
estimated
job
impacts
are,
but
you
might
also
show
a
model
run
of
what
it
might
do
to
commute
times.
You
know
in
this
valley,
we'd
use
different
metrics,
and
then
you
show
it
to
people
they.
They
might
have
a
different
perspective
about
the
development.
So
it's
deliberative
community
engagement
and
it's
a
very
successful
way
to
learn
what
people
want
and
what's
best
for
a
community.
N
Well,
I
think,
certainly
the
airport,
and
you
know
the
what
we
really
did
in
this
report
is,
we
said,
there's
all
sorts
of
dots
that
you
connect
here,
and
so
we
connected
the
rail
network.
That's
already
present
here,
which
is
exceptional
and
we
showed
what
that
rail
network
is
and,
as
you
might
know,
you
know
nobody
can
compare
to
us
in
the
interior.
West
for
our
rail
network,
I
mean
Phoenix.
N
Can't
you
know,
Boise
can't
renown,
Las
Vegas
can't
Denver
can't
we
have
this
incredible
locational
advantage
for
being
half
way
between
Canada
and
Mexico
and
the
Continental
Divide
and
the
Pacific
Ocean,
and
it
puts
us
right
in
the
center
of
the
interior
west.
Hence
crossroads
of
the
West.
So
you
take
the
rail
network
and
then
you
take
the
the
airport
expansion,
which
obviously
has
been
very
well
managed
by
this
city
and
is
a
enhancement
that
you
would
want,
but
it's
already
done,
meaning
the
money's
in
place
and
the
plans
in
place.
N
The
other
dot
we
connected
is
the
significant
call,
logistics
capabilities.
That
already
are
here,
and
you
may
know
of
something
called
orient
overseas
container
lines
ocl.
But
it's
a
major
shipping
operation
and
their
North
American
headquarters
is
in
South
Jordan
Utah.
So
that's
really
interesting
that
people
are
doing
logistics
from
Salt,
Lake
City,
but
also
the
prison
relocation
is
a
dot
to
connect,
obviously,
because
it
created
the
US,
it
will
create
some
infrastructure-
that's
helpful
here.
So
what
we
really
did
in
our
market
assessment
was
look
at
all
of
these
characteristics
and
and
said.
N
We
need
to
go
further,
there's
something
here
that
could
be
a
real
asset
to
our
state,
and
most
people
have
included
that
the
two
real
benefits
are,
if
you
can
stimulate
advanced
manufacturing
that
are
high-paying
jobs
and
create
greater
markets
for
Utah
businesses
through
that
tighter
connection
to
the
global
supply
chain.
That's
the
that's
the
vision,
no
that's
what
we
concluded.
We
did,
though,
by
the
way,
give
the
qualification
and
I'd
have
to
go.
N
Look
it
up
to
read
it
to
you,
but
we
basically
said:
there's
a
lot
more
research
that
needs
to
be
done
and,
of
course,
that's
part
of
my
pitch
today.
How
do
you
go
into
something
this
serious
without
having
done
the
transportation
and
air
quality
and
land
use
modeling
an
economic
and
fiscal
modeling.
N
E
If,
if
I
were
to
fast
forward
to
say
five
years
from
now,
maybe
ten,
what
would
I
do
this
well,
the
way
you're,
laying
it
out
what
would
I
see
or,
conversely,
what
wouldn't
I
see,
can
the
negative
right,
because
sometimes
it's
hard
to
say,
we
should
convene
this
and
somebody
will
say:
well,
we
convened
that
group
and
they
did
a
sense
that
we
were
talking
about,
but
the
outcome
could
be
very,
very
different
from
what
the
vision
is.
Mm-Hmm.
E
N
N
My
fear
is
that
we
have
like
one
vision
of
an
inland
port
and
we're
just
going
after
it,
and
that
vision
is
very
market
driven
but
hasn't
considered
enough
community
impacts
and
there
has
to
be
a
balance
there.
So
what
go
wrong
is
we?
We
pursue
an
inland
port
that
maximizes
jobs
and
wages
opportunities
really
important
things
in
our
state,
but
has
not
accurately
planned
for
the
transportation
network
to
service
that
or
the
regulations
to
service
that
so
I
mean
I.
You
know
you
can
fill
in
a
lot
of
blanks
there.
E
So,
if
I'm
extrapolating
a
little
bit
okay,
if
we
were
to
look
at
the
inland
port
board,
for
instance,
one
of
the
things
we
should
look
for
sooner
than
say
five
years
is
a
clear
delineation
of
here's,
the
vision,
we're
choosing
and
here
the
costs
associated
with
it.
I
don't
know
this
ever
happens.
I,
don't
know
everyone
says
we're
choosing
this,
but
also
we're
gonna
accept
this
trade-off.
E
Sort
of
say
that
in
public
do
we,
but
ideally
that's
what
we're
talking
about
if
we
maximize
one
aspect
of
this
potential,
we
are
gonna,
have
an
impact
here
and
are
we
having
that
clear
public
discussion
about
this?
If
we
don't
have
a
public
discussion
saying
here,
the
trade-offs,
we're
not
having
the
real
discussion?
Are
we
well.
N
N
You
know,
there's
a
lot,
that's
going
to
happen
in
that
time
frame
and
emissions
from
you
know.
Trucks
are
gonna
change
dramatically.
Emissions
from
trains
are
going
to
change
dramatically.
So
one
of
the
fun
things
that
you
do
when
you
do
the
scenario
work
is
you
you
make
assumptions
about
that
and
you
try
to
guess
how
technology
can
alleviate
some
of
the
costs
and
that's
and
then
what
we
say
to
ourselves
is:
are
those
assumptions
reasonable
and
then,
if
they're
reasonable,
then
we
can?
N
You
know,
do
this
much
economic
development
and
preserve
also
our
quality
and
so
I
think
that
decision
makers
have
an
obligation
to
weigh
those
out
I'm,
very
confident
that
the
people
on
the
inland
port
authority
board
understand
this,
but
I
think
that
they
need
some
data.
Some
technical
support
around
them
to
put
it
into
action,
yeah.
J
A
And
we've
seen
that
time
and
again
with
different
visioning
processes
that
have
happened
across
the
state
of
Utah
you're,
there's
more
than
I
can
actually
name
even
just
around
air
quality
and
transportation.
Yeah,
so
I'm
wondering
how
you
might
respond
to
someone
who
may
say:
we've
got
opportunities
right
now
globally
that
want
to
come
here
that
we
need
to
seize
before
we
have
a
business
plan
developed
before
we
even
talk
about
having
a
modeling
and
visionary
scenarios
conversation
before
the
business
plan.
How
might
you
respond
to
that
kind
of
urgency?
Yeah.
N
I
mean
I.
Think
you
get
one
chance
to
do
this
right,
I
think
that,
because
it's
a
massive
investment
that
has
a
50-year
you
know
life,
it
might
James.
Did
they
tell
you
what
kind
of
life
this
has
is
about
50
years?
Something
like
that.
I
think,
that's
probably
what
they
is
anyway.
I
think
you
have
to
be
very
careful.
I
think
you
have
to
pursue
very
carefully
because
it's
a
50-year
decision.
N
It's
not
unlike
the
decisions
at
the
point
of
the
mountain,
you
know
where
there's
incredible
opportunity
there
to
do
something
quick,
the
quickest
thing
is
put
in
housing
right,
there's,
immediate
demand
for
that
a
lot
of
money
to
be
made,
but
that
does
not
serve
a
public
purpose.
There's
a
greater
calling
for
that
area.
N
In
my
opinion,
and
so
the
corollary
at
the
inland
port
would
be
if
someone
has
a
lot
of
money
to
invest
there
and
be
our
partner
in
it,
let's
accelerate
the
technical
analysis
and
the
public
input
and
try
to
do
it
quickly,
but
don't
skip
the
steps
of
understanding
what
it
means
to
do.
A
massive
economic
development
project
in
some
of
the
last
remaining
lands
in
the
county,
that's
prime,
because
of
all
the
infrastructure
around
it.
That
would
be
my
advice
and
nobody
has
to
listen
to
me.
N
That's
a
great
question:
you
know
these
are.
This
is
hard
because
you
know
I
sit
here
and
say
all
these
models
will
really
help
you,
but
then
I'd
be
the
first
to
say
you
know
their
approximate
sand,
there's
places
that
we
can't
figure
something
out
or
whatever,
but
I
think
you
can
do
a
nine-month
strike
team,
a
nine-month,
deep
dive
and
get
incredible
information.
That
would
be
helpful,
and
so
you
know
in
my
line
of
thinking.
That's
that's
pretty
quick,
but
I.
N
Don't
think
this
is
three
years
I,
don't
think
it's
five
years,
I,
don't
think
it's
two
years.
I
know
that
it's
not
the
same
thing
but
downtown
rising,
really
pushed
the
envelope
in
terms
of
speed
in
terms
of
thinking
about
how
to
revitalize
Salt,
Lake
City's
downtown
area,
and
it
was
about
a
nine-month,
intense
process
and
it
was
not
as
well
supported
as
I
would
assume.
This
would
be
so
nine
months.
That's
optimistic,
yeah,
I!
Think
six
months
is
too
short
and
I
think
that
18
is
too
long
so
great.
Something
like
that.
Councilmember.
D
N
I
think
so,
Derek
cuz
I
think
what
you
would
do
is
you'd
pick
you'd
have
the
Port
Authority
board
identify
the
technical
team,
you'd
pick
a
leader
and
you'd
give
them
a
charge,
and
then
they
would
all
react
to
that
charge
and
I
think
the
charge
you'd
give.
Is
we
want
as
a
board,
to
develop
four
scenarios
for
you
to
analyze,
and
you
need
to
tell
us
the
assumptions
you
need
for
those
as
scenarios,
because
the
models
only
they
can't
do
everything.
So
we
pick
the
assumptions
that
the
models
respond
to
anyway.
N
What
and
then
what
would
come
to
bear
as
the
leader
of
that
team
would
say.
Okay,
what
do
you
need
first?
Well,
first,
you
have
to
know
investment
so
how
many
dollars
are
spent
and
so
we'd
work
with.
You
know
whoever's
doing
the
business
plan
to
say:
if
we
do
a
port
of
this
size,
is
it
a
two
billion
dollar
port?
Is
it
a
1
billion
dollar
port
anyway,
so
investment
feeds
the
economic
models
and
then
we'd
have
to
say:
ok
how
many
jobs
for
this
one
and
then
the
jobs
lead
the
demographic.
N
Now
you've
got
jobs.
Population
real
estate,
and
so
you
can
start
to
say,
ok
what
kind
of
transportation
are
we
talking
about
and
you
might
find
our
I
always
say
it
wrong,
but
artillery
are
terior
anyway
different
types
of
roads
that
fell
under
different.
You
know,
so
you
know
you
have
to
invest
in
more
roads
and
so
then
there's
more
costs
right,
and
so
it
basically
it's
a
dynamic
process,
but
essentially
you
do
investment
and
then
job
growth
and
population
growth
and
then
transportation
and
air
quality
planning
that
results.
So.
N
I
think
they
go
hand
in
hand
and
at
home,
yeah,
but
I
think
that
the
the
scenario
work
is
more
in
advance
because
I
think
it's
from
the
scenarios
that
you
pick
the
plan
you
want
to
follow
if
that
makes
sense.
But
but
you
don't
get
me
wrong,
the
Wasatch,
Front
regional
council
and
all
the
entities
I'm
named.
They
can't
tell
you
what
the
port
would
look
like.
D
N
C
C
D
A
D
N
I
would
do
is
I
would
encourage
the
Port
Authority
Board
in
their
next
meeting,
whichever
subcommittees
correct,
to
form
this
technical
committee
and
make
sure
that
a
member
of
the
someone
who
gets
the
RFP
is
represented
on
the
technical
committee
and
and
immediately
begin
the
process
of
designing
scenarios
that
you'd
learn
from
and
by
the
time
you
get
an
RFP
cleared.
You
know,
then
they
could
start
to
work
together.
N
I
would
give
them
a
very
tight
timeline
and
I
I
feel
quite
confident
that
after
nine
months,
the
the
technical
people
could
come
back
and
say:
we've
looked
at
four
scenarios
of
a
port
and
they're
all
different
for
different
reasons,
and
this
is
what
we
learned.
So
gifts
could
give
you
one
example.
We
did
a
lot
of
scenario
work
for
envision
Utah
when
they
did
their
visional
original
quality
growth
strategy,
and
you
have
to
have
been
there,
but
they
had
a
b
c
and
d
and
a
was
very
dispersed
development.
N
All
along
the
Wasatch,
Front
and
D
was
very
compact,
dense
development
and
when
we
modelled
them
a
lot
of
people
loved
D
because
they
were
you
know
they
wanted
intense
development,
but
D
completely
failed
in
our
modeling.
It
was
to
compact
the
air
quality
models
failed,
the
the
transportation
models
fell.
N
That
density
is
good,
but
only
to
a
point,
and
so
we
were
able
to
just
take
that
one
right
off
the
table,
and
then
you
got
to
focus
on
a
B
and
C,
and
that's
the
kind
of
thing
you
would
do
here
is
you
would
you
would
do
out
this
port
and
under
the
very
small
port
you
might
find
so
the
small
in
terms
of
jobs?
You
might
find
that
it's
not
worth
all
the
investment.
You
know
that
you
either
have
to
have
some
incredible
job
creation
to
be
justify
all
the
investment.
So
that's.
N
A
D
N
Great
I
mean
I
think
the
executive
director
would
attend
all
of
the
technical
committee
meetings
and
run
interference.
You
know
for
the
technical
committee
to
the
Advisory
Board
and
maybe
help
with
the
RFP
process.
Maybe
some
budgets
are
involved,
so
this
is
probably
the
best
explanation
for
why
this
hasn't
happened.
J
You
Natalie
and
I
apologize,
Mary
I'll
be
quick,
I
promise,
but
first
Natalie
I
want
to
thank
you
so
much
for
coming
and
giving
us
this
valuable
knowledge
and
information.
Every
time
you
speak,
I
learned
so
much
and
I
really
appreciate
it.
My
question
and
he
sort
of
answered
this
is
you've
met
with
a
few
of
the
inland
port
board
members
correct
I've.
J
Good
are
they?
Are
there
any
plans
to
have
you
give
a
similar
presentation
to
the
inland
port
board
because
as
knowledgeable
as
this
is
for
us
and
I
appreciate
it
and
I
hope
our
public?
Well,
hopefully,
the
people
that
would
want
to
have
this
knowledge
are
listening,
but
we
don't
really
have
a
say
in
the
inland
port
board
in
the
inland
port
right
I
mean
except
for
for
James.
Thank
goodness.
But
so
are
you?
Are
there
any
meetings
to
give
some
sort
of
presentation
about
doing
this
or
any
ideas.
N
N
A
P
P
P
As
far
as
fact-finding
goes,
the
the
one
thing
that
you
kind
of
mentioned
and
the
one
thing
that
I
there's
two
things
I
hear
about,
and
one
is
the
rush
that
we're
talking
about
how
there's
this
you're
you're
gonna
lose
your
one
time
opportunity.
If
you
don't
act
now
kind
of
sales
pitch
and
then
the
other
thing
I'm
hearing
about
are
the
closed-door
meetings.
P
So
I
wanted
to
share
a
little
bit
in
case
I.
Don't
know
if
you
all
saw
this,
but
recently
the
Tribune
had
done
an
analysis
that
showed
Salt,
Lake
City's
history
amongst
the
Wasatch
Front
City
Council's
of
how
rare
our
council
closes
meetings
and
it's
far
below
the
average
rate,
which
is
incredible,
and
you
should
be
very
proud
of
that,
and
even
when
we're
dealing
with
really
complex
issues
which
is
parallel
to
what
is
happening
with
the
inland
port.
So
the
community
concerns
were
raised
enough.
P
In
contrast,
this
body
and
the
city
at
large
frequently
engage
in
robust
public
outreach
and
discussion
more
often
than
not
the
council
and
RDA
board
host
several
public
work
sessions
and
formal
sessions.
A
nearly
every
issue
that
you
act
on
opening
these
sessions
will
also
allow
city
staff
to
prepare
for
possible
impacts.
The
decisions
may
create
prior
to
them
being
implemented,
and
it
appears
that
the
two
Salt
Lake
City
representatives
on
the
inland
port
Board
are
not
privy
to
discussions
of
every
subcommittee.
P
So
just
today,
Laura
Fritz
sent
a
letter
to
Derek
Miller,
expressing
her
concerns
about
items
being
discussed
and
voted
on
without
even
being
on
an
agenda
and
I
share
her
concern
and
I'm
wondering
if
the
council
has
or
will
be
sending
a
letter
to
the
inland
port
board
requesting
that
they
open
all
of
their
meetings
and
agenda,
anything
that
they
plan
to
vote
on.
I
think
it
would
serve
us
well
as
a
city
to
send
that
message
in
and
ask
that
they
operate
in
that
space.
C
E
P
E
Personally
I
know:
James
I
spoke
briefly
about
this,
but
I
would
encourage
the
opening
of
the
subcommittee's
as
well.
Obviously,
with
the
concerns
are
the
the
conditions
we
know
in
public
meetings,
laws,
but
I
think
it
would
be
very,
very
beneficial
to
get
off
on
the
right
foot
here
or
at
least
have
a
plan
in
place.
If
you
fall
in
the
letter
of
open
meetings
act
for
all
the
subcommittee's,
it's
not
possible
for
some
technical
reasons.
What
are
the
other
ways
or
will
be
used
to
help
the
public
understand
what's
happening
specifically
so
right.
P
D
B
A
D
A
A
M
Thank
you,
madam
chair
and
members,
the
council.
It's
a
privilege
to
be
with
you
again
chatted
earlier
about
water
and
I'm,
looking
forward
to
discussing
about
the
inland
port
and
in
particular,
I
asked
my
Executive
Board,
which
is
the
four
officers
that
lead
along
with
our
Board
of
Directors.
The
organization
of
the
league
asked
them
what
they
wanted
me
to
share
with
you.
In
light
of
the
big
picture,
questions
that
you
were
asking
first
you're
asking
the
right
questions.
That
was
what
they
what
they
relate
to
me.
M
The
questions
of
what
are
the
impacts
going
to
be
on
the
city
of
the
stay
in
the
region,
the
whether
its
economic
development
impacts,
environmental
impacts
or
the
one
that
has
caused
us,
the
most
consternation
as
an
organization
which
is
what
is
the
legal
precedent
of
the
inland
port
bill,
both
SB
234,
fourth
substitute,
as
well
as
as
well
as
the
bill
that
passed
in
special
session,
HP
2001
back
back
in
July?
What
is
that
legal
precedent
for
the
city
of
Salt
Lake,
as
well
as
the
legal
precedent
for
other
municipalities
around
the
state?
M
What
the
Executive
Board
asked
me
to
touch
on
was
that
legal
precedent,
piece
and
so
I
want
to
briefly
address
why
the
league
ultimately
is
supported
to
compromise
legislation
as
a
significant
improvement
in
July,
see
if
that
addresses
any
concerns
that
you
still
may
have
over
the
last
few
months
from
our
perspective
and
I
also
wanted
to
go
back
in
time
a
year
or
so
ago,
because
I
think
it's
it's
important
to
recognize.
Why
we're
in
this
current
moment
and
where
we
were
a
year
ago.
M
So
from
once,
we
came
in
in
2017,
there
were
actually
a
couple
of
parallel
tracks
going
about
transportation
in
general
and
then
the
inland
ports,
specifically
here
within
the
city
cities
at
a
long-term
plan
for
the
development
of
the
northwest
quadrant
the
city,
had,
has
been
working
on
a
master
plan
for
that
area
for
really
four
generations.
The
legislature
has
gotten
involved
in
the
last
couple
of
years,
and
I
mentioned
this
during
my
water
presentation,
but
just
the
overall
concern
at
the
legislature
that
cities
are
obstacles
to
progress
and
cities
are
obstacles
to
growth.
M
That
is
not
unique
to
Salt
Lake
City.
It
is
not
unique
to
the
inland
port.
Unfortunately,
that
is
a
narrative
that
we
are
hearing
in
a
variety
of
capacities,
whether
it's
water,
housing,
tax
alignment,
economic
development,
you
name
it,
and
there
is
that
underlying
perception
at
the
Capitol.
The
discussions
last
summer
were
specific
on
the
inland
port,
but
they
were
also
general
about
the
future
of
transportation
in
Utah.
M
Let
me
tell
you
why
I'm
bringing
this
up
in
this
context,
this
perception
about
about
cities
being
an
obstacle,
was
really
driving
part
of
the
discussion
at
the
transportation
task
force
in
this
transportation
funding
task
force
had
16
members,
some
elected
officials,
some
experts,
some
from
the
business
community
and
others.
The
league
had
one
appointment.
Mervis
Kooskia
was
actually
the
league
appointment.
M
We
we
specifically
nominated
Murphy
scoopski
to
serve
there
because
part
of
the
mission
of
that
transportation
task
force
last
year
was
to
look
at
airports,
and
we
were
concerned
in
the
city
was
concerned
that
what
they
really
meant
was
not
the
Hanksville
Airport,
but
that
they
wanted
to
look
at
the
Salt
Lake
City
Airport,
which
is
aid,
is
a
jewel
not
just
for
the
city
but
for
the
entire
region
and
for
the
entire
state.
Marivic
scoopski
was
a
champion
for
both
the
city
and
local
government
on
the
transportation
task
force.
M
The
legislature
start
and
I
said
legislature
the
legislatures
in
that
transportation
task
force
started
the
summer
by
saying
that
they
felt
like
they
needed
to
take
away
local
land
use
authority
from
cities.
They
needed
to
take
away
certain
tax
revenues
from
cities
in
order
to
drive
the
types
of
transportation
decisions
that
will
facilitate
population
growth.
There
were
quotes
in
both
newspapers
from
Senate
leadership
and
House
leadership,
insinuating
that
that
was
going
to
be
the
outcome
of
this
larger
transportation
task
force
effort
and
we
pushed
back
hard
again.
M
Mervis
scoopski
was
shoulder
to
shoulder
with
other
cities,
as
we
were
pushing
back
on
on
that
piece
of
the
narrative,
and
we
were.
We
were
successful
when
the
bill
ultimately
came
out.
Sb
136
in
the
legislative
session
that
all
of
those
penalties
were
removed
from
the
bill,
and
that
was
SB
136
most
the
headlines
focused
on
UTA,
but
the
potential
penalties
were
actually
in
the
recommendations
in
October
and
we
were
successful
getting
those
deleted
as
we
as
we
got
into
session.
M
Well,
though,
we
see
a
lot
of
those
conversations
from
the
transportation
task
force
in
the
dialogue
surrounding
the
inland
port
bill
and
SB
234,
and
that
was
in
large
part
what
generated
our
concern
about
what
was
in
SB
234,
because,
ultimately,
the
what
happens
in
the
northwest
quadrant.
Today's
could
happen
somewhere
else
in
the
state
tomorrow,
whether
that's
the
point
of
the
mountain
or
the
west,
Davis
corridor
or
other
high-growth
areas
and
won't
be
an
inland
port
per
se.
But
it
could
be
another
type
of
state
led
development
effort.
M
If
the
state
has
a
stronger
hand
in
it,
then
it's
more
immune
to
those
those
local
political
pressures
and
we've
been
pushing
back
on
that
narrative
and
and
the
England
the
England
port
is,
is
the
result
of
last
year's
legislation
to
address
one
particular
type
of
project
and
even
with
the
improve
it's
in
that
bill
over
the
summer.
We
are
concerned
about
that
model
being
replicated
elsewhere.
M
So
one
of
the
questions
that
we
have
for
you
to
answer
as
you
go
through
this
process
is
what
are
you
learning
that
you
can
share
with
other
cities
about
public
engagement,
about
land
use
authority
under
this
new
model
about
the
tax
increment?
What
can
you
share
with
other
cities
and
then
what
can
we
do
to
help
improve
that
model?
M
M
At
this
point,
it's
hard
to
say
what
those
improvements
are
specifically
until
the
process
gets
further
underway,
but
we
are
concerned
about
what
it
what
it
could
mean
elsewhere
the
so
let
me
jump
then,
just
to
the
the
letter
that
the
league
submitted
to
governor
Herbert
the
week
of
the
special
session
is
I,
think
it.
It
addresses
all
of
the
issues
that
your
fellow
cities
have
been
concerned
about.
M
There
really
seven
key
points:
land-use
Authority,
tax,
increment,
local
consent,
the
size
of
this
project,
accountability
to
taxpayers,
constitutionality,
which
is
the
the
quote-unquote
Ripper
clause,
and
then
the
president
of
northwest
quadrant
today
and
somewhere
else
tomorrow,
I'm
happy
to
go
into
great
into
more
detail
about
about
each
of
these.
The
Executive
Board
reviewed
the
proposed
bill,
though
that
weekend
and
ultimately
felt
like
and
that
the
bill
was
a
significant
improvement
over
what
passed
in
March
and
that's
why
the
executive
board
was
willing
was
willing
to
support
it,
because
it
was
that
significant
improvement.
M
M
Local
consent,
size,
accountability
again
of
the
eleven
members
on
the
on
the
inland
port
board.
We
wanted
to
see
more
local
government
representation
there
beyond
just
the
two
from
two
from
Salt
Lake
and
then
the
one
from
West
Valley
that
on
the
constitutionality
and
the
precedent
piece,
you
can
see
this
language
first
from
the
Constitution,
which
is
the
Ripper
clause
about
the
municipal
functions
and
delegating
to
special
Commission.
M
M
A
You
Cameron
before
council
members,
chime
in
I,
want
to
thank
you
for
the
league's
incredible,
persistent
and
thorough
review
of
everything.
That's
happened
since
the
2017
time
when
this
conversation
really
kicked
off,
I
think
among
the
247
cities
and
towns
in
the
state
and
your
leadership
to
do
a
deep
dive
analysis
and
sometimes
on
very
short
time
frames
of
the
considerations
that
were
brought
before
the
legislature.
A
Ultimately,
in
the
special
session,
the
league
produced
a
very
thorough
letter
of
reviewing
the
concerns
and
giving
feedback
on
those,
so
I
think
unique,
uniquely,
so
the
league
has
been
very
communicative
and
public
about
what
what
exactly
your
concerns
are
as
a
as
a
group
and
where
the
improvements
still
lie.
So
we
appreciate
that
and
then,
as
as
to
your
request
for
us
to
share
our
experience
and
and
what
may
be
best
practices
we
might
do
for
going
forward.
A
As
we
learn
we're
always
learning
through
these
processes,
we
will
be
happy
to
share
the
report
that
we
hope
to
come
out
of
these
fact-finding
nights
with
the
board
in
terms
of
what
improvements
we
see
to
HB
2001,
but
also
as
a
city
I'd.
Be
happy
to
to
be
in
communication
as
the
chair
or
in
whatever
regard
the
board
might
like
to
hear
from
us
council
members.
Do
you
have
any
questions
comments
for
Cameron,
councilmember
Rogers?
Yes,.
C
My
question
is:
how
was
the
league
we
heard
from
Natalie?
You
know
that
saying
that
you
know
there's
eight
counties
that
are
starting
to
shrink
economically.
How
is
the
league
gonna
be
able
to
track
as
the
inland
port
starts,
to
develop
infrastructures
and
I
know
it's
a
long
time
frame
20
years
down
the
road
till
it's
actually
happening,
but
I'd
love
to
see
how
we're
gonna
track
that
and
see
the
counties
build
and
what
counties
are
gonna
are
gonna
benefit
from
the
inland
port.
M
So
that's
an
excellent
point
that
I'll
take
back
to
the
board,
as
as
we
lay
out
our
research
objectives
and
the
years
to
combos
of
making
sure
we're
asking
the
right
questions
about
the
potential
impact
in
Carbon,
County
and
Sanpete
County
and
other
areas,
which
at
least
the
narrative
thus
far
has
been
that
they'll
see
a
benefit
from
having
an
inland
port.
So
thank
you
for
bringing
that
up.
Madam
chairman
may
I
just
add
one
other
thing.
M
Throughout
the
the
last
few
months
we
have
as
League
staff
and
stayed
in
close
communication
with
both
of
the
mayor
and
the
mayor's
office,
as
well
as
with
the
council
in
the
counsel's
office,
so
appreciate
the
opportunity
we've
had
to
have
dialogue
with,
with
both
the
mayor
and
with
the
council
on
this
topic.
We.
J
Thanks
so
much
for
being
here
and
all
the
work
that
you
do
with
the
the
utilities
of
City
has
in
towns,
one
just
to
kind
of
reiterate
something
that
you
said.
My
biggest
worry
from
the
very
beginning
of
being
of
me
being
on
the
council
and
being
a
part
of
this
was
the
precedent
that
this
would
set
for
other
areas,
and
it
was
something
I
brought
up
with
speaker
Hughes
when
he,
when
he
was
here,
and
it's
still
a
concern
of
mine.
J
I
think
that
it
is
wise
for
you
to
tell
the
other
your
constituents
I.
Will
it
with
the
leagues
of
cities
and
towns
that
I
do
think.
It's
still
a
worry
and
it's
something
that
people
and
who
are
policymakers
in
other
cities
and
and
towns
need
to
be
aware
of
and
understand,
I
think
we
had
our
hands
tied,
but
we're
able
to
sit
down
and
negotiate.
But
hopefully,
hopefully,
we've
everybody's
learned
a
lesson
from
that.
But
yeah
I
still
find
it
to
be
quite
worrisome
and
something
I
stay
up
at
night.
J
And
if
anybody
out
there
has
other
ideas
of
that
president
of
through
I
would
love
to
hear
them
as
well
as
a
policymaker
here,
but
it.
It
is
certainly
something
that
we
should
all
be
hoping
to
work
together
to
come
up
with
some
sort
of
plan.
If
you
will,
if
there
is
one
right
against
that
that
president,
but
let's
just
feel
for
that.
A
We
should
be
standing
together
as
we
look
at
not
only
the
evolution
of
the
inland
port
here
in
Salt,
Lake
City,
but
the
precedents
that
has
been
set
and
that
will
be
continually
explored,
I
think
by
the
legislature.
So
we
have
a
strong
relationship
with
you.
Lct
at
this
point
and
I
intend
for
that
to
continue
other
council
members.
We
have
time
so
you
can
ask
Cameron
all
sorts
of
questions.
M
Can
smart,
fella
right,
amen
and
amen?
We
invited
senator
Jerry
Stevenson
to
come
down
and
speak
to
our
mid-year
conference
in
st.
George,
about
both
the
inland
port
and
what
it
could
mean
for
other
communities
and
I'll
relay
a
conversation
that
I
had
with
the
senator
during
the
legislative
session.
M
He
and
I
chatted
about
his
vision
for
the
inland
port
and
he's
a
former
marys
and
he
was
very
engaged
in
the
league
when
he
was
the
mayor
of
Layton
and
he's
still
very
much
an
ally
and
a
champion
for
for
local
government,
and
he
said
we
need
the
inland
port.
The
inland
port
is
unique
for
the
state
it's
bigger
than
just
one
city,
it's
bigger
than
just
one
County.
It's
it's
unique
to
the
state,
so
senator
I'm,
a
local
government
perspective.
M
We've
heard
similar
language
from
legislatures
on
a
variety
of
topics
in
recent
years,
whether
it's
homelessness
point
of
the
mountain
transportation,
as
I
mentioned,
SP
136
water,
there's,
there's
a
list
of
issues
that
are
traditionally
handled
at
the
local
level.
Where
we're
hearing
this
in
this
increasing
rhetoric
that
local
governments
can't
handle
this
on
their
own.
It's
bigger
than
local
government,
and
now
our
concern
is
the
when
the
when
the
legislature
starts,
acting
like
a
city
council
or
starts
acting
like
a
Planning
Commission
one.
M
You
start
to
lose
some
of
the
connectivity
back
to
the
residence
and
you
start
to
lose
that
level
of
responsiveness
that
is
inherent
in
local
government.
You
also
lose
that
subject
matter
expertise.
The
seven
of
you
and
and
mayor
boo
scoopski
are
elected
by
the
residents
of
Salt
Lake
City.
You
know
Salt
Lake,
City
inside
and
out.
You
know
the
challenges,
you
know
the
benefits.
You
know
everything
that's
happening
here.
You
know
the
potential
for
the
city
you're
in
the
best
position
to
make
those
decisions
for
the
city.
M
You
should
not
have
to
look
over
your
shoulder
to
a
legislator
or
who's
elected
from
a
completely
different
part
of
the
state
who
wants
to
second-guess
your
decision.
We
heavily
oppose
a
bill
House
bill
175
this
past
legislative
session,
which
it
was
unrelated,
specifically
and
I.
Think
it's
relevant
to
this
discussion
and
House
bill
175
would
have
authorized
a
state
oversight
committee
of
nine
legislatures
that
would
have
had
the
authority
to
review
the
effectiveness
or
efficiency
of
any
local
government
Act.
M
Let
that
set
in
for
a
second.
We
met
with
the
bill
sponsor
and
told
him
absolutely
not,
and
we
met
with
him
again
and
told
him
absolutely
not.
Then
we
met
with
him
for
a
third
time
had
told
him
absolutely
not
and,
as
you
may
recall,
I
presented
to
you.
That
was
the
meeting
you're
referencing
when
speaker
Hughes
was
here.
I
presented
that
day
and
my
daughter
that
day
was
seven
days
old
and
I
was
still
trying.
M
I
was
trying
to
balance
everything,
and
it
was
during
that
week
that
I
met
with
him
and
so
I
admit.
I
was
a
little
sleep-deprived,
but
he
said
to
me.
The
league
has
been
entirely
unhelpful
on
this
bill
and
I
said
yes,
you're
right,
because
we
are
not
going
to
subject
our
authority
to
an
oversight
committee
at
the
legislature
and
that
bill
passed
out
of
committee
and
we
were
successful
at
defeating
it
on
the
House
floor.
M
But
not
before
you
had
several
members
of
House
leadership
refer
to
themselves
as
a
legislature
as
a
super
City
Council.
That
is
extremely
concerning
to
us
so
independent
of
the
important,
and
even
if
you
can
see
the
inland
port
as
a
project
that
benefits
the
state
in
the
region
and
consenting
aside
the
specific
facts
of
the
England
port
there
is
that
narrative.
M
That
is,
that
it's
extremely
concerning,
and
so
what
we've
been
trying
to
do
all
summer
with
our
membership
is
raise
the
overall
awareness
of
how
all
these
pieces
fit
together
and
then
also
articulate
to
legislators
that
there
is
a
role
for
the
state.
There
is
a
role
for
local
governments,
but
we
need
to
know
our
roles
and
we
need
to
to
focus
on
our
respective
roles.
D
And-
and
you
may
have
just
given
me
the
answer
to
my
question,
but
you
said
that
you
were
there's
this
narrative
at
the
state
level
that
the
local
governments
were
the
hindrance
to
economic
progress
and
that
you
guys
are
pushing
back
on
that
narrative.
Can
you
tell
me
a
little
bit
more
about
how
you're
doing
that
and.
M
Councilmember
Johnston
is
one
of
the
League
representatives
on
the
Commission
on
housing,
affordability
and-
and
this
is
one
of
multiple
examples-
waters
another
one,
but
no
on
the
housing
affordability.
We
all
recognize
that
housing
prices
are
escalating
around
the
state,
particularly
along
the
Wasatch
Front.
Now
we've
been
concerned
that
the
narrative
has
been
that
the
reason
that
the
costs
are
escalating
there
because
of
local
government
policies
and
because
of
local
government
regulations
we
have
been.
M
We
have
been
trying
to
ask
those
questions,
whether
it's
through
the
Commission
on
housing,
affordability
or
water
or
other
topics,
the
Executive,
Board
and
I
met
with
the
editorial
board
of
the
desert
news
recently
and
ksl
to
have
a
conversation
about
the
complete
narrative
on
housing.
So
what
is
it
that
local
governments
provide
for
future
homeowners
when
they
move
into
the
city?
Well,
you
provide
infrastructure.
You
provide
public
safety.
M
You
provide
public
services
that
do
have
a
cost,
but
ultimately
residents
believe
that
there's
value
to
that
cost
and
you
provide
planning
and
zoning
and
other
things
that
make
a
community
a
community
that
has
value
and
many
times
those
conversations
get
lost
because
of
other
valuable
narratives.
Natalie
I
thought
really
hit
the
nail
on
the
head
when
she
was
talking
about
the
different
scenarios.
If
you
really
only
look
at
economic
development-
and
you
look
at
that
in
a
vacuum
and
you
don't
look
at
the
other
potential
consequences,
what
does
that
mean?
A
M
A
A
O
O
We
all
know
that
the
announcement
of
the
port
attracted
a
lot
of
attention
and
raised
a
number
of
concerns,
including
questions
about
the
environmental
impacts
of
building
a
port
out
in
the
northwest
quadrant,
and
those
concerns
are
understandable.
We're
talking
about
development
in
a
sensitive
environmental
area,
we're
also
talking
about
development
in
an
area
that
has
environmental
concerns,
broadly
not
the
least
of
which
is
trying
to
ensure
that
we
continue
to
make
progress
toward
meeting
the
air
quality
standards,
and
you
know
anybody
I
think
would
recognize
that
potentially
increased
activities
could
make
that
difficult
thing.
O
Now,
we've
made
some
real
progress
and
I
think
it's
important
that
we
recognize
the
progress
that
we've
made
as
a
state
really
over
the
last
10
to
15
years,
we've
reduced
our
overall
emissions
by
over
30%.
That's
while
we've
added
over
600,000
people
to
the
state,
it's
almost
a
50%
per-capita
reduction
in
emissions.
O
So,
despite
the
progress
I
think
we
recognize
that
that
progress
has
come
with
some
real
investment
and
some
real
effort,
and
we
all
want
to
see
that
progress
continue
and
we,
as
a
community,
have
I
think
a
challenge
and
an
opportunity
to
develop
the
inland
port
in
a
way
that
addresses
its
economic
promise
and
provides
human
health
and
environmental
benefits.
And
those
are
things
that
we
at
DEQ
are
committed
to
now.
The
role
of
the
Department
of
Environmental
Quality
in
this
process
is
set
out
in
statute.
O
The
statute
goes
on
to
outline
some
objectives
for
the
board
and
those
include
respect
and
maintain
sensitivity
to
the
unique
natural
environment
of
areas
in
proximity
to
the
authority,
jurisdictional,
land
and,
interestingly,
to
improve
air
quality
and
minimize
resource
use.
It's
not
saying
status
quo
or
mitigate
the
increase,
but
it's
saying
improve,
so
those
are
all
tasks
but
I
think
doable
and
important.
Let
me
just
mention
that
this
is
a
different
role
for
the
Department
of
Environmental
Quality.
We
typically
review
plans
that
come
in
for
compliance
with
federal
and
state
laws.
O
We
do
inspections
and
and
compliance
assistance.
It's
not
our
role
and
there's
never
been
our
role
to
plan
a
development,
so
we're
not
consultants,
but
we
do
have
a
number
of
talented
interested
informed
people
in
the
department
who
care
very
much
about
this
day
and
are
willing
to
be
involved
in
helping
to
track
down
information,
that's
relevant
and
make
sure
that
we
as
a
state
are
doing
the
best.
We
can
as
we
develop
this
this
inland
port.
Let
me
just
make
before
I
get
into
details
a
bit
of
a
caveat.
O
Some
thoughts
on
the
types
of
things
that
might
be
included
in
the
sustainability
plan
and
with
your
indulgence,
maybe
I'll
jump
into
a
few
of
those,
and
maybe
the
the
first
category
would
be
governance.
Looking
at
how
we
operate
this
facility
in
one
I.
Think
key
principle
is
that
we
want
to
have
robust
public
input
along
the
way.
I
certainly
wouldn't
say
that
we've
got
all
the
answers
and
having
some
really
sound
input
from
the
public
is
going
to
be
important.
A
O
Whoa
and
see
what
would
make
sense
here.
Thank
you.
Okay,
the
next
broad
category
would
be
performance
measures
and
monitoring.
I.
Think
it's
important
that
upfront
we
establish
some
clear
and
aggressive
environmental
goals
in
areas
such
as
water
use,
air
emissions,
water
discharges,
energy
efficiency,
waste
generation
and
management.
Maybe
community
health
impacts
those
kinds
of
things
and,
as
we
establish
those
goals,
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we
are
monitoring
carefully
and
issuing
regular
reports
on
how
we're
doing
relative
to
those
goals.
O
I'd
also
suggest
that,
as
we
know,
this
is
a
long-term
project
and
we
probably
shouldn't
establish
standards
today
and
say
we're
done.
We
need
to
continue
overtime
to
keep
looking
at
advancements
elsewhere,
best
practices
elsewhere
and
incorporate
those
and
reflect
those
in
our
performance
measures.
O
O
I
think
for
all
of
us,
we
can
look
at
things
like
electrifying,
the
port,
to
the
extent
possible,
ensuring
that
we
have
the
most
efficient
building
practices,
reducing
energy
use,
requiring
the
cleanest
transportation
technologies,
the
transportation
systems
that
come
in.
We
can
look
at
things
like
a
traffic
circulation
plan
to
make
sure
that
as
vehicles
trains,
others
come
in
that
we're
maximizing
the
efficiency,
keeping
them
there
as
little
time
as
possible,
minimizing
the
emissions
requiring
the
best
control
technologies
on
all
the
equipment.
That's
been
used,
that's
something
that
really
is
in
place
now.
O
We
could
look
at
a
range
of
policies
at
no
idling
trip
reduction,
Paulo
he's
trying
to
minimize
the
number
of
people
commuting
to
the
area
in
their
own
vehicles,
and
then
I
think
you
know
if
we
start
getting
a
little
bit
creative.
There
are
some
interesting
technologies
that
are
around
the
world
coatings
on
buildings
that
absorb
ozone
and
particulate.
There
are
these
towers
that
are
being
developed
in
China
and
elsewhere
that
can
take
in
the
air
put
them
through
a
greenhouse
up
a
stack
that
kind
of
pulls
out
the
particulates
and
puts
cleaner
air
out.
O
We
can
be
looking
at
some
of
these
types
of
air
improving
technologies
on
with
respect
to
water
quality.
You
know
a
site
that
large
is
going
to
collect
storm
water
and
we
don't
want
that
storm
water
just
going
directly
into
the
Great
Salt
Lake,
so
I
think
we
need
to
have
a
state-of-the-art
storm.
Water
management
plan
in
place
figure
out
the
best
way
to
treat
or
store
or
transport
that
water
similar
to
that
state-of-the-art
wastewater
treatment
system.
O
Make
sure
that
we're
taking
the
wastewater
and
minimizing
the
impacts
of
that
and
I
know
that
the
the
legislation
also
protects
wetlands
in
the
area.
You
think
that's
important
and
we
need
to
continue
to
ensure
that
the
wetlands
in
that
area
are
able
to
fulfill
their
really
important
water
quality
and
other
functions.
So
those
are
things
that
we
might
look
at
quickly.
O
Turning
to
waste
I
would
suggest
that
part
of
this
sustainability
plan
include
a
waste
minimization
plan
and
component
where
we're
trying
to
minimize
the
waste
generated
by
the
port
as
a
whole
that
might
include
developing
and
implementing
a
recycling
program
and
also
may
include
some
form
of
a
materials
marketplace.
Now
there
are.
These
are
developing
around
the
country.
O
O
We
want
to
be
careful
with
resource
use
like
water.
We
can
look
at
a
water
use
plan
to
try
to
have
low
water
infrastructure,
landscaping
and
other
systems
that
would
minimize
the
use
of
water,
and
then
we
could
look
at
landscaping,
construction
techniques
and
other
things
to
avoid
creating
a
heat
sink
out
in
that
part
of
the.
O
We
recognize
that
we've
got
stewardship
responsibilities,
but
the
decisions
that
we
make
today
are
going
to
have
significant
and
real
impacts
on
the
people
that
live
here
now
and
for
generations
to
come.
That's
not
something
to
take
lightly
and
I
know.
Nobody
in
this
room
does
so
we're
looking
forward
to
embracing
this
stewardship
working
with
you
to
generate
ideas,
see
where
there's
intersection
with
local
land
use
authority
and
other
authorities
that
you
have
see
if
we
can
do
this
thing
in
the
right
way.
So,
thanks
for
the
opportunity,
Thank.
A
D
O
Think
the
biggest
risk
would
be
maybe
a
shortage
of
imagination,
okay
and
I
know
that's
not
very
specific,
but
I
think
that
we
need
to
be
thinking
about
this,
not
just
as
a
project
for
the
next
five
years,
but
as
a
project
for
decades
to
come
and
be
looking
long-term.
What
the
consequences
might
be.
C
C
My
daughter
attends
were
that
moderate
monitoring
station
is
is
currently
at
so
it's
it
hits
close
to
home
for
me
and
it
does
for
the
rest
of
the
residence.
So
I
want
to
know
Minoo.
We
talked
about
impacts,
but
that's
the
greatest
impact.
So
how
can
we
mm-hmm
look
at
their
fears
and
help
them
help?
My
neighbors
understand
that
there
are
going
to
be
impacts,
but
we
as
a
state
I
know
we
have
it
in
legislation,
saying
we
will
meet
or
exceed
the
state
level.
But
what
does
that
really
mean?
I?
C
O
I
agree
and
I
think
that's
the
first
thing
I
said,
and
we
need
to
make
sure
that
this
is
open,
that
we're
gathering
ideas,
the
concerns
out
there
are
understandable
and
when
you're
dealing
with
concepts
rather
than
specifics,
there's
a
tendency
to
imagine
the
worst,
so
I
think
it's
important
that
we
all
quickly
get
to
more
specifics
and
start
talking
about
what
an
environmental
sustainability
plan
is.
What
it
looks
like
the
kinds
of
things,
it'll
address
and
start
getting
ideas
out
there
and
I
think
getting
to
specifics
is
the
best
comfort
for
I.
C
O
A
One
of
those
items
I
think
that
will
be
expensive,
but
would
pay
in
dividends
and
would
cost
less
upfront
and
then
it
would
down.
The
road
to
retrofit
is
something
you
mentioned
around
the
opportunity
for
electric
transportation,
infrastructure
and
I,
wonder
how
you
might
contemplate
in
this
is
such
an
assertive
role
for
DEQ
that
has
been
issued
through
statute
now.
As
you
said,
this
is
not
what
the
bale
of
wick
of
the
DEQ
typically
to
create
plans
and
do
these
kind
of
assertive
processes
who
are
usually
on
the
receiving
end
of
those
things.
A
O
O
Strategies,
you
know,
I,
think
a
scenarios
approach
makes
all
kinds
of
sense
here.
We've
done
that
as
a
community
in
the
past.
It's
the
best
way
to
make
decisions
long
term.
It
allows
us
to
explore
options
and
compare
them
against
one
another
and
I
wouldn't
say
you
know:
I
listed
a
lot
of
concepts.
I
won't
say
that
any
of
those
is
exactly
the
right
thing
to
do.
They
need
to
be
assessed
against
alternatives,
so
that's
going
to
be
part
of
it
in
any
scenarios.
Approach
necessarily
includes
an
evaluation
of
the
costs
and
the
benefits.
O
A
And
I
wondered
about
that
with
the
that
you
mentioned
that
how
do
how
does
DEQ
from
a
staff
perspective
support
the
process
that
now
you're
obliged
to
participate
in
I
wondered
if
you
might
be
seeking
or
open
to
partnerships
with
University
of
Utah
or
other
entities
that
have
some
subject
matter
at
matter?
Experts
on
things
like
urban
heat
sinks
and
urban
ecology.
I
know
that
there's
several
professors
up
there
who
have
world-renowned.
If
not
it's.
O
A
M
K
O
A
A
Do
we
have
anything
similar
in
the
history
of
Utah,
where
we've
known
that
such
an
enormous
development,
it's
certainly
not
necessarily
of
this
scale,
but
where
DEQ
has
been
able
to
look
forward
for
milestones.
That
would
help
to
ensure
public
health
and
be
able
to
collect
that
really
important
information
from
those
monitors.
I.
O
Don't
know
I've
got
my
three
years
of
history
with
it
and
I
can't
I
know
that
they've
put
monitors
near
mines
and
other
larger
facilities.
For
that
reason,
the
EPA
standard
is
that
the
monitors
are
to
go
where
the
modeling
shows
the
most
likely
high
concentrations
will
be
so
you
try
to
put
monitors
in
the
worst
case
areas
for
something
like
this
I
think
there
are
two
things
that
we
can
look
at.
O
One
is
you've,
got
the
federal
monitoring
program
and
I,
don't
know
if
that
would
direct
putting
the
monitor
out
there,
but
that
doesn't
mean
we
couldn't
do
one
as
a
state
and
say
for
air
quality.
For
example.
This
is
an
area
of
concern.
We've
established
some
standards
or
goals.
We
need
to
collect
baseline
information,
to
judge
those
goals
and
our
progress
toward
them.
So
to
do
that,
we're
gonna
have
to
have
a
monitor
in
that
area
where
it
goes
what
where
it
when
it
goes,
etc.
We
haven't
had
that
conversation
yet.
A
E
Thank
you
for
being
here
and
your
expertise.
I,
unfortunately,
have
a
bit
of
a
dim
view
on
voluntary
sort
of
goals.
I
love
the
idea.
That's
in
there
now
I
love
the
idea
of
a
sustainability
plan,
I
question:
if
we
don't
need
more
incentives
to
fulfill
those
and
if
that's
your
role
or
not
I,
guess
it's
a
question
because
the
board
ultimately
sets
it
up
the
way
they
want
to
set
it
up.
But
what
are
the
incentives?
E
What
are
the
disincentives
to
actually
follow
through
on
this,
because
if,
if
technology
doesn't
accelerate
very
very
quickly
or
quickly,
as
we
hope
or
if
implementation
or
adoption
of
that
doesn't
accelerate
very
quickly,
as
we
hope
we're
still
left
with
sometimes
competing
interests
of
maximizing
job
growth,
economic
input
into
this
area,
hoping
that
maybe
in
the
future,
the
technology
would
catch
up
to
catch
us
up
long
term.
So
maybe
over
30
years
we
have
a
overall
decrease.
We
hope.
But
initially
we're
say:
oh
okay
with
it
go
increasing
some
amount.
O
There's
not
in
the
statute.
The
statute
is
what
it
is
and
you've
seen
that
DEQ
is
not
a
policymaking
body.
We
implement
the
laws
that
are
passed
at
the
state
and
federal
level,
so
I
think.
If
we're
looking
for
incentives,
hammers,
etc,
that's
something
that
would
have
to
be
made
by
elected
officials
at
the
policy
level.
E
There
wouldn't
be
your
place
to
say,
based
on
what
we've
seen
another
federal
state
efforts.
This
is
what
seems
to
work.
This
is
what
doesn't
so.
We
can
certainly
make
recommendations,
recommendations
that
you
need
some
teeth.
You
need
some.
You
need
some
help
to
make.
These
things
happen
in
the
time
frames
you're
trying
to
do
it
is
that
your
place,
we.
A
Really
we
have
an
incredible
opportunity
to
do
that
in
this
inland
port
and
I
I
support
your
voice
in
carrying
these
really
critical
conversations
to
the
inland
port
board
and
helping
to
flesh
out,
hopefully
through
a
scenario
process.
What
the
very
real
consequences
will
be
with
different
scenarios
without
the
implementation
of
these
kind
of
proactive
investments
and
policy
decisions,
because
we
don't
have
the
we
don't,
have
a
big
margin
to
mess
around
in
and
try
to
clean
it
up
later.
O
O
Appreciate
it's
a
it's
a
great
opportunity
and,
as
you
said,
as
I
hinted
at
earlier,
this
isn't
about
just
building.
Something
now
is
about
doing
something
long-term
that
can
have
benefits
not
just
in
this
geographical
area,
but
I
think
teach
us
some
lessons
that
can
be
applied
elsewhere
and
help
us
achieve
the
future.
We
all
want
Thank.
A
I
So
I
thought
it
would
be
helpful
to
probably
a
little
bit
more
of
a
review
for
the
council,
but
for
the
public
to
go
over
where
the
legislation
ended
up
in
terms
of
what
were
the
details
and
the
different
categories
that
the
council
and
the
public
were
interested
in.
So
this
is
just
gonna
be
a
really
high-level
overview
of
sort
of
where
the
legislation
ended
up
again,
probably
a
review
for
you
guys,
but
more
for
the
public
watching
at
home
I'm,
not
an
attorney
just
full
disclosure.
I
So
if
I
use
imprecise
language,
I,
just
plead
patience,
so,
let's
see
on
the
boundary
the
topic
of
boundary
in
terms
of
the
jurisdictional
land,
it
clarified
that
excluded
the
wetlands
that
were
identified
in
the
northwest
quadrant
master
plan
that
the
City
Council
adopted.
It
also
clarified
that
it
excluded
already
developed
land.
There
was
a
portion
in
the
south
east
corner
that
had
sort
of
already
been
developed,
his
warehouse
and
some
farmland
on
the
north
side
that
was
sort
of
inadvertently
caught
in
the
previous
legislation
in
the
area
of
land
use.
I
It
importantly
narrowed
the
appeal
authority
of
the
board
and
established
the
inland
port
board
as
the
appeal
of
last
resort.
Previous
language
had
been
a
little
bit
broader
left
some
area
of
interpretation
that
the
city
staff
at
least
wasn't
sure
if
it
was
intended
to
be
that
way,
so
it
narrowed
the
appeal
authority
of
the
board
and
it
clarified
that
appeals
can't
be
made
on
things
like
building
plan
review,
administering
construction
codes,
costs
of
public
utilities.
I
Things
like
that,
so
all
of
those
are
still
fully
within
the
purview
of
the
city
and
not
appealable
to
the
inland
port
board.
It
listed
it
added
standards
and
review
processes
that
the
Port
Authority
board
must
follow
in
an
appeals
process.
So
previously
it
was
just
sort
of
a
general
instruction
that
the
board
could
be
the
appeals
panel,
and
this
is,
and
now
it's
requiring
the
board,
follow
actual
criteria
and
issues.
Decisions
in
writing
provide
that
decision
in
writing
to
the
public.
I
It
also
follows
the
general
process
of
Appeals
that
the
city
does,
which
is
requiring
public
noticing
and
public
hearings
on
appeals.
I'd
also
clarified
that
any
party
with
standing
can
appeal,
so
that
means
any
adversely
affected
party
so
rather
than
just
property
owners
being
the
ones
with
standing
to
appeal.
Anyone
in
the
standing
can
appeal
and
it
aligns
terminology
and
processes
with
existing
state
land
land
use
code.
Obviously
this
is
a
very
unique
aspect
in
state
code,
but
to
the
extent
that
land
use
terminology
is
used,
it's
more
closely
aligned.
I
It
also
required
that
the
city
allow
inland
ports
actually
that
any
jurisdictional
and
allow
inland
ports
by
December
1st
and
that's
the
process
that
planning
is
sort
of
aggressively
going
through
right
now
of
getting
that
text.
Amendment
through
you
guys
were
briefed
on
that
a
couple
of
weeks
ago.
So
that's
working
its
way
through
the
process
on
the
area
of
tax
increment,
which
is
very
important
to
us.
I
Obviously,
it
enables
the
Port
Authority
to
take
up
to
100%
of
the
tax
increment
from
all
entities
within
jurisdictional,
and
so
that's
any
taxing
entity,
whether
it
be
mosquito
abatement,
district,
central
Utah,
Water,
Conservancy,
District,
all
of
that
tax
increment.
But
the
board
has
to
vote,
to
establish
a
project
area
and
and
take
that
tax
increment
and
it's
up
to
100%.
I
So
there
was
some
concern
that
the
Port
Authority
could
contact
for
certain
services
and
that
the
city
would
be
sort
of
in
that
limbo.
So
it
clarifies
that
it
establishes
an
ongoing
funding
stream
from
that
tax
increment
in
jurisdictional
land
that
diverts
10%
to
affordable
housing
in
the
city.
The
language
specifies
that
the
10%
goes
to
the
RDA,
where
the
land
is
located.
So
the
10%
to
housing
in
Magna
would
go
to
that
RDA,
which
would
likely
be
the
county
RDA
right
now.
I
West
Valley
would
go
to
their
RDA
and
the
city
the
10%
generated
in
the
city
would
go
to
the
city
RDA.
It
requires
that
the
Board
report
to
any
taxing
entity
in
jurisdictional
land
as
to
the
use
of
tax
increment
funds.
Previously
there
was
no
reporting
requirement,
so
this
just
establishes
that
reporting
requirement
concept
and
it
capped
the
amount
of
tax
increment
that
the
board
can
spend
on
administration
of
the
of
the
inland
port
itself.
I
I
should
clarify
I'm
I'm
using
the
term
tax
increment
a
lot
because
that's
the
term
we're
used
to,
but
in
reality
the
law
establishes
it
as
tax
differential
and
concept
are
the
same
thing.
It's
the
amount
of
tax
money,
that's
generated
above
a
certain
baseline
year,
but
the
fact
that
they
call
it
tax
differential
in
this
section
of
the
code
means
that
it
doesn't
trigger
a
lot
of
the
requirements
that
are
required
of
the
RDA
board,
for
example,
when
dealing
with
tax
increment.
I
So
that's
that's
worth
noting
in
terms
of
the
area
of
the
board
composition
itself.
There
it
clarifies
the
purpose
of
the
board.
So
previously
the
language
is
a
little
bit
more
general.
In
terms
of
why
and
inland
Port
Authority,
it
clarifies
council
member
representation
on
the
board.
Is
the
council
member
with
the
airport
in
the
district,
and
it
adds
the
ability
for
the
board
to
add
a
point
advisory
committees
for
key
topics
and
to
formalize
regular
input
from
those
stakeholders
in
terms
of
the
environmental
concerns?
I
Alan
Matheson
addressed
a
lot
of
those
it.
It
kind
of
builds
into
the
operation
of
the
board,
a
sustainability
component
by
requiring
that
the
business
plan
itself
have
a
sustainability
plan.
It
also
includes
language
that
requires
the
board
to
work
with
neighboring
property
owners
to
develop
policies
and
implement
practices
to
mitigate
potential
negative
impacts
from
the
development
of
authority,
jurisdictional
land.
I
I
think
that
statement
is
probably
open
to
pretty
broad
interpretation,
but
that's
the
way
the
language
reads
now
at
least,
and
it
also
adds
a
sustainability
component
into
the
appeals
process-
that
if
someone
is
appealing
a
decision
of
the
city
that
they
need
to
provide
imitation
that
they
meet
or
exceed
federal
standards
for
environmental
concerns.
So
those
are
some
of
the
areas
that
were
changed
or
altered
from
the
previous
version
of
the
bill
and
where
it
landed.
E
The
answer
to
this
question,
but
considering
the
upfront
heavy
task
of
rezone
for
an
inland
port
whatever
that
means
we're
figuring
that
out
in
the
next
few
months
and
potentially
other
preparatory
stuff
for
the
board.
Is
that
something
we're
this
administration
question?
But
could
we
pursue
that
being
part
of
the
reimbursement
for
services
I,
think
long
term?
The
envisionment
was
police,
fire
utilities,
those
kind
of
things,
but
would
this
fall
under
that
as
well,
because
it's
taken
a
tremendous
amount
of
staff
time
yeah
right
now,
I.
I
E
Just
wondering
yeah
if
it
becomes
a
large
large
amount
and
the
bandwidth
is
compromised
from
the
city
in
some
capacity.
I
was
thinking
about
way
with
DEQ
and
if
they're
asked
to
do
a
lot
of
work
for
sustainability
planet,
for
instance,
are
they
able
to
be
kind
of
reimbursed
and
compensate
because
it's
taken
away
from
other
work,
they
may
be
doing
it.
A
When
you
mentioned
the
the
ability
of
the
board
to
create
advisory
committees
that
pricked
my
ears
around
Natalie
Garner's,
suggesting
suggestions
today
to
bring
in
scenario
planners
and
that
that
advisory
that
there's
probably
a
bunch
of
different
ways
that
they
could
incorporate
that
those
partners,
the
local
technical
experts,
but
that
could
be
a
really
easy
place,
cancel
members
anything
else.
This
is
kind
of
old
news,
but
definitely
relevant
to
our
conversation
today.
Thank
you,
Jennifer.
A
A
E
A
E
A
B
A
I
Be
studying
the
concept
of
donating
money,
because
if
the
council
gave
us
the
direction
that
waiving
fees
is
not
the
desired
route,
that
donating
money
is
the
desired
route,
we
could
either
just
do
the
legal
requirement
of
having
that
in
the
budget
amendment,
because
the
budget
amendment
has
a
public
hearing
or
that
what
the
chair
is
asking
is.
Does
the
council
want
to
do
an
extra
step
of
having
a
public
benefit
analysis
done
for
the
donation
of
money?
That
makes
sense
yeah.
I
A
A
E
Sounds
like
a
process
issue
like
we
have
to
do
the
process
for
for
the
future,
essentially
right
as
a
precedent.
I
don't
see
much
coming
out
functionally
for
our
needs
to
turn
now
doesn't
unless
didn't
do
much,
but
as
a
precedent
forward.
Is
that
we're
talking
about
seems
like
we're
going
around
in
circles
but
I'll.
Second,
the
motion
I.