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A
A
B
We
hope
so
we're
here
to
talk
about
the
government
records
access,
Management
Act
lovingly
referred
to
as
grandma
and
Utah
enacted
the
grandma
law
in
1991,
with
some
specific
intents,
to
promote
the
public's
right
of
easy
and
reasonable
access
to
and
restricted
public
records,
to
prevent
abuse
of
confidentiality
by
government
entities
to
provide
guidelines
for
disclosure
and
restrictions
on
access
to
government
records
and
to
establish
fair
and
reasonable
records
management
practices,
and
the
legislature
recognizes
two
constitutional
rights.
B
The
public's
right
of
access
to
information
concerning
the
conduct
of
the
public's
business
and
the
right
to
privacy
in
relation
to
personal
data
gathered
by
governmental
entities
and
so
record
is
defined
very
broadly
to
include
almost
any
document
or
electronic
record
prepared,
owned,
received
or
retained
by
the
city
and
grandma
gives
us
four
records,
classifications,
public,
private,
controlled
and
protected
and
we've
provided
you
some
examples
in
your
handout
of
each
of
those
types
of
records.
The
majority
of
the
city's
records
are
probably
public
with
some
private
or
protected
information
mixed
in.
B
B
The
city
has
a
retention
schedule
and
it
describes
each
of
our
records
and
how
long
it
needs
to
be
kept,
and
the
theory
behind
that
is.
It
reduces
the
time
that
we
have
to
spend
searching
for
records
and
reduces
our
storage
volume
and
and-
and
we
work
with
staff
all
the
time
to
keep
those
up
today
and
they're
found
on
the
recorders
intranet
site
and
so
the
way
that
a
person
makes
a
grandma
request.
It
has
to
be
in
writing,
and
so
they
could
do
it
by
mail.
They
could
walk
it
into
the
office.
B
They
could
send
us
an
email,
but
about
95
percent
of
them
use
our
public
records
Center.
Just
because
it's
easy
and
when
they
go
to
that
Center
they
have
five
different
database
sets
that
they
can
search
for
the
information
they're.
Looking
for
first,
we
could
try
and
guide
them
there,
but
if
they
can't
find
what
they're
after
then
they're
free
to
make
a
records
request,
it
was
pretty
simple
procedure
and
I
thought
this
graph
was
really
interesting,
because
you
can
see
that
each
year
we
have
more
and
more
and
more
this
year
we
had.
B
Fourteen
thousand
two
hundred
and
two
records
requests.
Estimates
say
that
cities
spend
about
four
and
a
half
hours
a
day,
fulfilling
grandma
requests,
and
you
can
see
that
police
they're,
the
ones
who
received
the
most
grandma
requests
with
Airport
fire
and
city
kind
of
tying
for
the
remainder
of
those.
But
we
have
a
grandma
coordinator
in
each
of
our
departments
that
we
work
closely
with,
and
then
we
have
about
200
staff
people
that
work
to
fulfill
those
grandma
requests
across
the
city
and
Salt.
B
B
B
And
if
a
requester
still
isn't
happy,
they
can
appeal
their
decision
to
the
state
records
committee
or
to
district
court
and
I.
Think
it's
interesting
above
those
fourteen
thousand
two
hundred
two
requests.
We
only
had
seven
appeals
last
year,
so
I
think
that
kind
of
indicates
what
a
great
job
staff
does
and
fulfilling
those
requests
and
making
people
happy
so
again
records
broadly
defined.
It
can
include
any
kind
of
media
and
more
and
more
we're
getting
different
types
text,
messages,
email
body,
cams,
DVDs
cloud,
USBs,
just
social
media,
all
kinds
of
records
to
consider.
B
Now
when
it
used
to
just
be
paper.
The
number
one
question
my
office
receives
is:
how
long
do
I
need
to
keep
email
and
I
wish
I
wish
it
was
a
simple,
across-the-board
answer,
but
it's
not
because
it
depends
on
the
content
of
the
email
and
it
definitely
could
be
subject
to
grammar
or
discovery
and
the
average
user
receives
about
88
emails
a
day,
and
if
we
had
three
that
if
we
have
3,000
employees,
that's
almost
10
million
annually,
so
a
huge
volume
and
to
us
success.
I
can't
see
my
screen.
B
C
Would
just
comment
that
the
recorders
office
does
a
really
great
job,
I
mean
they
are
total
experts
in
you
know
what
is
a
record?
How
long
does
it
need
to
be
kept?
Where
does
it
need
to
be
and
they
serve
as
a
resource
not
only
to
you
all
and
to
council
staff
but
to
the
rest
of
the
city
departments?
Now
that
said,
all
city
employees
need
to
be
aware
of
grandma
and
know
something
about
it.
C
Just
like
all
of
you
need
to
know
something
about
it,
because
you're
all
really
creating
your
own
records
and
Cindy
does
a
really
great
job
of
talking
about
it.
As
you
know,
we
used
to
have
people
who
helped
us
file.
Our
documents
helped
us
sort
them
and
they
were
responsible
for
them
really
for
in
office
and
now
we're
all
our
own
records
custodian.
So
these
guys
are
a
fabulous
resource.
They
do
a
great
job,
she's
right
that
we
have
not
had
that.
C
Many
Appeals
I
will
point
out
that
we
currently
have
one
case
pending
before
the
Utah
Supreme
Court
and
one
case
pending
before
the
Utah
Court
of
Appeals
and
they're.
Both
purely
grammar
questions.
So
you
know
much
too
may
be
the
dismay
of
other
local
subdivisions.
C
E
D
B
D
C
Know,
there's
not
a
great
answer.
You
always
have
to
ask
yourself.
Am
I
doing
this
in
my
capacity
as
an
elected
official
you've
always
say?
Is
that
subject
to
grandma,
or
is
that
grandma
able
I
would
just
remind
you?
Everything
is
grandma
able,
whether
it
has
to
be
produced
is
really
the
important
question
right.
People
can
ask
for
anything.
Nicole
just
sent
me
a
three-page
grammar
request
that
we've
received
today.
C
That
specifically
asks
for
some
social
media
information
from
the
council's
social
media
pages
and,
like
Cyndi,
said
they
archive
some
of
it
and
follow
certain
retention
schedules
and
we
produce
it
when
we
have
it.
But
you
know
social
media
wasn't
contemplated
in
the
legislation
and
you
just
have
to
analyze
it
for
the
content.
It's
not
the
form
of
the
record.
It's
the
content.
F
B
F
B
C
Davis
County
was
charging
$20
an
hour
20
years
ago
and
we
were
charging
$10
an
hour
when
this
particular
request
came
up,
and
so
it's
really
a
policy
question
for
the
council.
How
much
do
we
want
to
subsidize
access
to
records
which,
under
the
law
we
have
to
do
anyway,
because
you
can't
charge
more
per
hour
than
the
lowest
paid
individual
who's
responsible
for
retv
retrieving
the
records
gets
paid,
so
it's
already
meant
to
be
subsidized
and
I.
C
Think
that's
clear
policy
determination
by
the
state
legislature,
but
you
have
to
balance
that
against
you
know,
does.
Does
an
artificially
low
fee
mean
that
people
aren't
motivated
to
narrowly
tailor
their
request
and
again
these
guys
and
the
other
records
custodians
in
the
city
I
think
do
a
nice
job
of
working
with
individuals
to
help
them
narrowly
tailor
their
request,
but
an
artificially
low
fee
may
discourage
people
from
narrowing
their
request,
which
just
means
city
employees
will
spend
more
time
responding
to
Grammer
requests.
F
C
C
A
Any
other
councilmembers,
Nicole
and
Cindy.
Thank
you.
You
do
a
phenomenal
job
and
we
hope
that,
as
the
growth
of
Grandma
requests
continues,
that
you
will
be
willing
to
perhaps
continue
conversations
with
the
council
about
our
policy
direction
on
what
those
fees
should
be
and
it
sounds
like
perhaps
councilmember
Johnston.
We
might
be
interested
in
asking
them
to
do
that.
Assessment
of
the
actual
time
spent
and
looking
at
a
cost
justification.
A
F
I
want
to
at
least
visit
a
little
bit,
because
if
we
are,
if
we're
litigating
a
reasonable
fee,
that's
so
much
lower
than
anybody
else.
That's
a
strange
sort
of
predicament
to
be
in,
but
I
don't
want
to
discourage
access.
Obviously,
but
if
we're
that
far
beyond
much
lower
than
anybody
else,
we're
seeing
that
tells
me
that
maybe
there's
some
wiggle
room
in
there
to
look
at
helping
them
cover
some
cost
of
it,
at
least
in
the
time
they're
spending
and
get
help
so
well.
C
A
Or
whatever,
subsidy,
who
is
inherently
built
into
the
current
fee,
is
compensated
for
by
other
activities
that
all
those
employees
who
assist
with
grammar
records
every
day
do
and
so
we're
paying
for
it
and
whatever
other
ways
our
bandwidth
is
limited
or
other
fees
are
compensating.
So
I
think
it's
a
worthwhile
discussion,
maybe
one
to
bring
up
in
between
here
and
the
budget
as
we
work
with
the
administration
on
what
we
hope
to
see
there.
Thank
You,
Cindy
and
Nicole
you'll
move
on
to
the
open
and
public
meetings
act
is
Margaret.
C
C
G
There
thank
you
very
much.
As
Margaret
said,
my
name
is
Katie
Lewis
and
I'm
a
senior
city
attorney,
and
whenever
I
do
this
Open
Meetings
Act
training
I
like
to
start
it
by
sort
of
thinking
about
the
main
purpose
of
the
Act,
which
is,
in
my
opinion,
transparency,
and
so
you
think
about
it.
Sort
of
from
start
to
finish.
With
a
meeting
the
City
Council
as
a
public
body,
the
Act
wants
the
council
to
provide
the
public
access,
provide.
G
The
public
notice
provide
the
public
an
opportunity
to
participate
when
appropriate
and
then
also
if
there
are
instances
when
the
public
wants
to
go
back
and
see
what
was
in
the
record
and
what
the
council
has
talked
about
previously
provide
them
access
in
that
respect
too.
So,
transparency
is
the
mission
of
the
open
public
meetings
Act.
G
The
next
question,
then,
is:
what
is
a
meeting
at
what
point
do
we
need
to
be
complying
with
the
requirements
of
the
Act
and
and
what
the
Act
says
is
that
a
meeting
is
the
convening
of
at
least
a
quorum
of
the
council
to
discuss
essentially
matters
over
which
you
have
jurisdiction
to
take
comments
or
to
act
on
those
matters?
So
thinking
about
that,
then
we
often
get
the
question
okay.
Well,
what
meetings
are
subject
to
the
act?
G
Electronic
meetings,
which
I'll
talk
about
in
a
little
bit
retreats
workshops
convening
here
at
your
anchor
location
field
trips.
Instances
when
you
might
not
be
convening
a
meeting
would
be
chance
meetings
if
a
quorum
of
you
all
run
into
each
other
on
the
street.
You
don't
have
to
feel
like
you're
gonna
violate
the
Act
social
gatherings
or
instances
where
there
is
no
quorum.
Now,
of
course,
those
those
first
two
chance
meetings
and
social
gatherings
shouldn't
be
used
to
circumvent
the
act.
G
G
So
the
first
question,
then,
is:
how
do
we
provide
public
notice
and
the
Act
says
that
the
notice
should
be
posted
at
the
principal
office
of
the
council
on
the
Utah
public
notice
website
and
published
in
either
a
newspaper
of
general
circulation
or
provided
to
your
local
media
correspondent?
So
then,
the
next
question
is
okay.
Well,
what
exactly
do
we
have
to
provide?
As
part
of
that
notice-
and
there
are,
there
are
a
few
different
categories-
the
first
would
be
your
annual
meeting
schedule.
G
One
question
that
recently
came
up
is:
does
that
annual
meeting
schedule
need
to
be
revised
if
we
schedule
a
special
meeting
and
the
answer
to
that
is
no,
but
if,
for
instance,
the
council
decided
you
know,
we
really
have
so
much
work
that
we're
also
going
to
be
started
starting
to
meet
on
a
consistent
basis
on
the
second
Thursday
of
every
month.
Then
you
would
want
to
revise
your
annual
meeting
schedule
be
because
that
really
has
become
one
of
your
regularly
scheduled
meetings
rather
than
just
a
special
meeting.
G
So
then,
the
next
category
is
providing
notice
of
every
meeting
that
you
have,
whether
it's
a
special
meeting
or
a
regularly
scheduled
meeting,
and
the
Act
requires
that
you
provide
at
least
24
hour
notice
of
your
meeting
and
that
that
notice
include
the
agenda
date
time
and
place
of
your
meeting
again
so
that
the
public
kid
knows
where
and
when
they
should
come.
Your
council
agendas
even
go
a
step
further
than
that
and
input
approximate
times
for
specific
items
to
which
I
think
is
a
really
helpful
tool
for
the
public.
G
Another
question
that
often
comes
up
is
well.
What
exactly
should
we
put
on
the
agenda
and
the
Act
says
that
agendas
must
have
at
least
enough
information
that
a
member
of
the
public
would
be
able
to
understand
with
reasonable
specificity?
What
you're
going
to
talk
about
so
an
example
that
I
have
heard
is
for
open
meetings,
act.
Training
if
you
had
just
put
on
your
agenda.
G
Another
question
comes
up.
It
that
sometimes
comes
up
is
well.
What,
if
there's
a
matter?
That's
not
on
the
agenda.
Can
we
talk
about
it
and
what
the
Act
says
is
that
at
the
discretion
of
the
chair,
if
a
matter
has
been
brought
up
by
the
member
of
the
public,
and
you
all
would
like
to
discuss
it,
you
may,
but
you
may
not
take
final
action
on
that
item
it
that
it
should
be
on
a
subsequent
agenda
for
you
to
discuss
and
formally
take
action
on
later.
G
A
G
G
Know
I've
never
been
asked
that
question
before
I
can
go
back
and
look
but
again,
I
would
say
when
you're
thinking
about
convening
the
meeting,
because
the
notice
has
been
shorter
than
24
hours.
If,
in
that
emergency
setting
the
chair
or
whoever
was
presiding,
said
you
know,
we've
we've
got
a
majority
here,
that's
created
a
quorum.
We
all
approve
of
of
holding
this
meeting
in
an
emergency
setting,
then
that
at
least
provides
evidence
that
you
have
complied
with
that
notification
and
approval
process.
Okay,
that's.
F
C
C
C
So
the
kinds
of
things
that
may
necessitate
it
are
on
your
agenda
next
right.
So
if
there
were
an
earthquake
or
some
other
disaster,
where
the
council's
the
council
wanted
to
act
quickly
on
an
appropriation,
even
though
the
administration
has
some
latitude
in
those
circumstances,
but
it's
truly
for
an
emergency
circumstance.
I
think
jennifer
brunner
wants.
D
In
general,
our
our
notice,
our
notice
for
our
meetings,
is
actually
well
in
excess
of
24
hours
because
we
tend
to
put
out
the
agenda
on
Thursday
or
the
Friday
before
the
meeting.
So
in
our
world,
the
emergencies
are
the
24
hour
notice
to
Margaret's
point.
You
know,
a
true
emergency
would
be
the
less
than
24
hours
thing,
but
yeah.
G
G
So
the
council
can
close
a
meeting
to
discuss
the
character,
mental
health,
professional
competence
or
physical
excuse
me,
physical
or
mental
health
of
an
individual
to
have
a
strategy
session
to
discuss
collective
bargaining,
to
hold
a
strategy
session
to
discuss,
pending
or
reasonably
imminent
litigation,
a
strategy
session
to
discuss
the
purchase
exchange
lease
of
real
property,
including
water
rights
and
water
shares.
If
and
these
these
two
exceptions
have
to
also
be
met.
G
If
public
discussion
of
the
transaction
again
would
disclose
the
appraisal
or
estimated
value
of
the
property
or
prevent
the
city
from
completing
the
transaction
on
the
best
possible
terms,
and
the
city
previously
gave
public
notice
that
the
property
would
be
for
sale
and
that
this
terms
of
the
sale
are
publicly
disclosed
before
the
the
sale
is
actually
complete,
so
purchase
and
sale
are
two
sort
of
different
processes.
There's
these
additional
exceptions
for
the
sale
of
real
property
that
we
could
walk
you
through.
G
If
you
ever
were
in
that
that
certain
situation
to
close
the
meeting,
you
can
also
close
the
meeting
to
discuss
deployment
of
security
personnel
devices
or
systems
to
discuss
investigative
proceedings
regarding
allegations
of
criminal
misconduct,
and
then
there
is
a
common
law
exception
that
the
council
can
close
a
meeting
to
discuss
legal
advice
from
its
legal
counsel.
There
is
a
specific
process
for
closing
a
meeting,
so
the
council
has
to
first
open
a
meeting
where
a
quorum
is
present
and
then
two
thirds
of
the
council
present
has
to
approve
closing
the
meeting.
G
C
Just
gonna
jump
in
because
this
comes
up
all
the
time
when
you
all
go
to
close
a
meeting.
You'll
often
hear
me
pop
up
and
offer
an
additional
basis
for
closing
the
meeting,
and
that's
because
the
law
requires
you
to
specifically
state
the
basis
for
which
are
closing
it.
So
we
want
to
make
sure
you
have
all
the
options
available
to
you.
C
C
G
You
so
going
back
to
my
general
three
theme
of
transparency.
The
Open
Meetings
Act
also
has
a
process
for
how
records
of
your
meetings
are
kept
again
thinking
about
the
public.
They
may
not
want
to
know
what
you
talked
about
today.
They
may
want
to
know
what
the
council
talked
about
six
months
ago,
and
so
how
do
we
preserve
that
information
so
that
they
can
have
access
to
that?
And
there
are
two
different
standards
for
open
meetings
and
closed
meetings
in
an
open
meeting.
G
The
council
is
required
to
keep
both
a
recording,
which
is
an
unedited
recording
of
the
entire
meeting
from
beginning
to
end
and
also
written
minutes
of
the
meeting.
Those
need
to
include
the
date
time
in
place
of
the
meeting
the
members
present
and
absent
substance
of
all
matters
discussed
and
take
an
action
on
record
of
any
vote
taken
name
of
anyone
else
who
provided
comment
or
testimony
or
presentation
to
the
council
and
any
other
information
requested
by
a
member
of
the
council.
G
It's
important
to
know
that
the
official
record
of
the
meeting
is
actually
the
written
minutes.
It's
it's
not
the
recording,
but
we
also
keep
the
recording
closed
meetings
have
a
separate
type
of
Records
kept.
They.
You
are
required
to
keep
a
recording
of
the
meeting.
There
are
two
exceptions
to
that,
but
generally
you're
required
to
keep
a
recording
and
you
may
keep
written
minutes.
The
recording
must
say
the
date
time
and
place
of
the
closed
meeting
and
also
the
names
of
all
present
and
absent
and
less
disclosing.
G
The
name
of
somebody
who's
present
would
impair
the
confidentiality
or
the
reason
that
the
meeting
was
closed
in
the
first
place.
The
exception
is:
if
the
council
is
discussing
either
the
character,
professional
competence
or
physical
or
mental
mental
health
of
an
individual
or
the
deployment
of
security
personnel
or
devices
or
systems.
You
do
not
have
to
keep
a
recording
or
minutes
for
a
closed
meeting
on
that.
C
We
do
occasionally
get
requests
for
recordings
of
the
closed
meetings
and
one
did
go
to
the
records
committee
recently
and
we
did
not
have
to
turn
those
over.
But
once
again,
usually
somebody
from
my
office's
in
those
meetings
helping
to
make
sure
we're
all
staying
on
track
and
within
the
bounds
of
the
purpose
for
which
was
closed.
So
councilor.
C
Of
an
individual-
and
so
that's
read
very
broadly,
sometimes
it's
of
an
employee.
Sometimes
it's
you
know
a
staff
member
which
is
the
same
thing:
a
council
staff,
member
or
an
administrative
employee.
Sometimes
it's
an
applicant
for
a
position.
Sometimes
it's
you
know
somebody
who
interacts
with
the
city
and
if
there's
an
issue
about
their
professional
character
or
their
competence,
it
could
be
a
board
member.
It's
a
pretty
broad
and
same.
C
G
G
G
If
heaven
forbid,
there
was
ever
that
type
of
a
circumcision
you
are
required
to
provide
the
usual
notice,
so
24-hour
notice
agenda
date
time
and
place
all
of
those,
but
whoever
is
calling
or
skyping
your
facetiming
in
is,
can
take
action
and
an
act
just
like
you
would
if
you
were
physically
present
here.
The
next
questions
that
we
often
get
is:
oh
absolutely
yeah.
Please.
I
You
so
how
would
the
person
skyping
in
or
or
somehow,
joining
and
electronically
record,
that
or
I
mean
to
follow
this
statute
along
with,
if
I
was
texting
him,
for
example,
or
something
if
that
was?
Is
that
allowed,
if
I
or
emailing
or
somehow
or
what
does
it
have
to
be
via
more
so
there's
like
three
questions
in
that
one
question
Margaret,
so
the
Hugh
and
Katie
can't
figure
out
what
I'm
asking
so.
G
I
think,
from
a
practical
perspective,
it
would
be
difficult
to
text
or
email
in
because
that's
sort
of
difficult
to
participate
as
a
member.
So
typically,
what
I
have
seen
is
somebody
either
calling
or
FaceTime
being
or
skyping
so
and
then
the
participation.
The
recorder
can,
you
know
record
just
as
though
you
were
here
all
of
your
comments
and
unpartitioned
in
the
same
way,
so
I
guess
if
you
wanted
to
participate
in
some
other
way,
we
would
have
to
look
at
how
that
technology
works
and
how
we
would
make
sure
your
participation
was
meaningful.
F
I'm
I'm
of
fun,
that's,
but
you
need
a
quorum
present
physically
to
do
any
dev
a
meeting
right
before
to
take
any
business.
And
so,
if
you
were
to
have
four
here
and
say
two
called
in
as
we
have
had
well,
there's
one
calling
them
previously
do
those
votes
get
recorded
as
normal
if
they
called
in,
even
though
you
couldn't
do
that,
if
they
only
had
three
president
and
save
three
away
so.
F
F
F
G
G
So
then,
the
next
questions
that
we
sometimes
get
is
what
about.
If
we
are
texting
or
emailing
or
conversing
electronically,
either
during
a
meeting
or
outside
of
a
meeting
at
what
point
does?
Is
that
consider
about
considered
a
violation
of
the
Open
Meetings
Act?
So
the
Act
has
what
I
view
as
sort
of
a
strange
provision
in
it,
and
it
says
that
a
council
member
is
not
restricted
from
transmitting
an
electronic
message
like
a
text
or
an
email
to
other
council
members.
C
I
would
just
say
really
quickly
and
again.
We
want
to
be
cognizant
of
the
time
when
the
legislature
passed
that
addition
to
the
statute
I
think
it
was
their
attempt
at
passing.
Something
well
not
saying
anything,
and
so
they
sort
of
left
the
question
about
elected
members
of
a
body
texting
each
other,
while
in
a
meeting
for
another
day
and
I,
think
what
we
would
say
is
it's:
it's
not
a
practice
that
we're
going
to
encourage.
C
It
doesn't
necessarily
violate
the
Open
Meetings
Act,
so
long
as
there's
not
a
quorum
on
your
text
string
but
think
about
the
purpose
of
the
Open
Meetings
Act,
which
is
to
allow
the
public
to
see
your
business
being
conducted
and
to
be
able
to
fully
hear
and
participate
into
the
discussion.
To
the
extent.
That's
you
know
part
of
your
agenda,
and
so
the
legislation
is
a
double-.
C
It
doesn't
answer
the
question
about
whether
and
it
doesn't
make
it
a
violation
for
you
all
to
text
each
other,
while
you're
sitting
here
in
a
meeting
but
again
I,
don't
think
that's
a
practice
that
is
incredibly
transparent
and
when
you're
doing
that
you're
creating
records.
That
may
be
subject
to
Grandma.
G
So
and
just
one
other
point
that
I
would
make
on
that.
If
there
is
an
instance
where,
let's
say,
staff
e
mails
out
an
agenda
to
the
entire
council,
and
somebody
pushes
reply
all
and
says
you
know,
I
really
want
to
talk
about
a
B,
C
and
D,
and
then
somebody
reply
all
oh
well,
I.
Here's
the
way
that
I
feel
be
cognizant,
that
you
have
just
convened
a
quorum
to
discuss
matters
over
which
you
have
jurisdiction,
and
so
you
have
effectively
violated
the
Open
Meetings
Act.
G
My
final
point
is
that
it
is
a
Class
D.
Excuse
me,
Class,
B
misdemeanor,
to
knowingly
violate
the
closed
meeting
portions
of
the
Act
and
private
individuals
can
bring
lawsuits
for
a
violation
of
the
Act.
A
suit
must
be
commenced
within
90
days
or
30
days,
if
it's
having
to
do
with
the
issuance
of
bonds
and
then
finally,
I
would
like
to
thank
you
for
your
service
and
the
time
that
you
take
sitting
on
the
City
Council
and
the
RDA
board.
We
very
much
appreciate
your
time
and
and
your
attention
to
this
training
and
thank.
A
C
A
Year
we
can
wear
both
hats
this
one
time.
Thank
you,
ladies
next
is
our
item
number
two
informational
item
with
the
Salt
Lake
City.
Emergency
management,
update
for
our
2018
I
have
Eric
wit
on
here,
but
I
know
that
there's
others
in
the
audience.
So
if
you
need
to
call
anyone
else
up,
please
feel
free
thanks
for
joining
us
Eric.
Thank.
J
J
Little
meeting
where
you
guys
all
get
a
run
out
of
here
and
and
move
away
and
everything,
but
no
I'm,
filling
in
for
Korey
today.
My
name
is
Eric
wit
for
those
who
ever
met
me.
I
am
the
training
exercise
coordinator
for
Salt,
Lake,
City,
emergency
management,
and
today
we're
gonna
talk
about
a
few
things.
One
of
the
things
I
want
to
give
really
big
kudos
to
our
office.
This
was
a
big
year
for
us
this
year,
one
of
those
things
with
safe
neighborhoods.
It
is
a
program
that
we
have
for
in
the
fact
of.
J
If
we
do
have
an
earthquake,
we
were
able
to
get
27,
get
joint,
just-in-time
training
kits
out
to
all
the
schools
this
year,
which
is
a
huge,
huge
accomplishment.
John
worked,
worked
really
hard
to
get
those
out
and
because
he
worked
so
hard,
the
state
recognized
him
with
an
award
with
a
preparedness
award
and
then
also
he
got
an
award
for
internationally
for
safe,
because
it's
a
brand-new
program
and
I'm
sure
he's
probably
gonna,
be
training
a
lot
of
people
through
out
the
United
States
on
how
this
program
works,
and
so
hopefully
they
can
take.
J
It
then
and
use
it
in
their
their
own
jurisdictions.
John
also
trained
about
and
70
people
in
not
only
English
but
Spanish
working
with
Kenya
Renee,
our
public
information
or
a
multi
multi
coordination,
outreach
coordinator
and
and
then
we
also
improved
on
our
crossroads,
which
is
our
amateur
radios,
we've
trained
about
another
50
people
they
went
through.
We
bought
a
bunch
more
equipment.
J
We
have
established
hubs
throughout
the
whole
valley
in
case
of
an
earthquake
or
a
large-scale
event
where
communications
are
down
in
which
those
ham,
radio
operators
go
to
certain
locations,
and
they
report
back
us
in
to
the
EOC
and
then
we've
also
have
fixed
the
bricks
fix.
The
bricks
is
a
huge
program
in
which
we,
its
first
of
its
first
of
the
continents
nation
in
which
the
federal
government
FEMA
will
pay
75%
of
retrofitting
costs,
and
then
the
the
homeowner
will
have
to
pay
25%
of
the
retrofit
costs.
J
For
years,
we've
been
working
on
that
program
kind
of
as
a
public
information
program,
but
this
year
was
one
of
the
first
years
where
it
actually
became
a
real
substant
program
out
in
the
field
and
Audrey
Pearson
summer.
Meissner
in
our
office
worked
very
very
hard
to
get
all
that
out
right
now
we
have
currently
seven
homes
that
are
completed
that
have
went
through
the
whole
process,
documented
everything
and
so
they're
done
so
now
those
homes
will
hopefully,
if
we
ever
do
have
an
earthquake,
they
will
not
collapse
on
top
of
top
of
their
homeowners.
J
The
for
the
new
council
members
to
fix
the
bricks
program
isn't
about
making
it.
So
your
house
is
going
to
be
livable
after
the
earthquake,
it's
about
making
sure
it
still
stands,
and
it's
not
going
to
collapse
on
people
and
cause
cause
more
injuries
or
more
fatalities.
So
this
is
a
huge
program
because
in
the
EOC
I
usually
run
the
Emergency
Operations
Center.
If
there's
less
people
that
I
have
to
take
care
of
after
the
incident
that
have
not
got
her,
that
is
huge.
That
is
key.
J
J
So
Ken
just
been
working
great
on
that
I
know.
When
your
guys's
submittals,
you
guys
wanted
to
talk
about
training
and
the
training
for
City
Council,
how
we
normally
do
the
training
for
the
city
councils.
We
kind
of
break
you
guys
up
into
threes
or
ones
individually.
Right
now,
Robin
in
your
office
is
working
with
our
office
to
schedule.
Some
of
those
trainings
and
which
will
come
in
and
it
takes
about
an
hour,
and
it
goes
over
through
some
of
the
stuff,
some
of
the
most
of
the
stuff
we
can.
J
We
could
go
through
right
here
in
Council,
there's
some
stuff
that
is
kind
of
sensitive
in
nature,
like
in
a
terrorist
event
where
the
council
meets
and
those
type
of
issues
where
we
don't
really
necessarily
want
to
push
that
out,
but
the
majority
of
it
can.
But
it
is
an
hour
and
you
guys
gave
us
like
20
minutes.
There
is
one
thing
that
we
did
that
we
did
do
this
year,
though
we
added
another
level
of
EOC
activation,
and
that
is
monitoring.
J
We
kind
of
find
out
that
sometimes
when
department
heads
are
in
the
middle
of
the
fight,
so
you
have
police
fire,
Public,
Services,
Public
Utilities
a
lot
of
times,
they're
they're
focused
on
this,
so
it's
we
get
brought
in
to
kind
of
make
sure
that
we're
thinking
of
the
whole
picture.
So
that's
why
we
kind
of
added
the
EOC
monitoring
level.
The
other
thing
I
want
to
talk
about.
I
know
we
did
training
with
a
majority
of
you
guys
last
year
and
we
gave
out
vests
to
all
you
guys.
J
Do
you
all
you
guys
still
have
all
your
vests
okay
for
the
two
new
council
members
we're
gonna
order
vests
for
you
guys.
We
do
ask
that
there
is
a
any
type
of
event
that
you
do.
Call
Cydney,
Cindy
right
away
to
ask
her
soon
dear
Jennifer,
to
to
see
what
your
guys's
role
and
to
see
kind
of.
What's
going
on
if
anytime,
during
an
incident
or
event,
you
guys
need
any
kind
of
information
for
emergency
management.
You
guys
have
the
ones
who
have
gone
through.
Training
do
have
contact
box.
J
You
guys
can
call
me
24
hours
a
day.
Seven
days
a
week
and
ask
and
get
a
briefing
from
us
on
whatever
you
want,
we
are
currently
in
the
process
and
hopefully
you
guys
will
enjoy
this
of
doing
a
checklist
for
you
guys.
So
if
there
is
an
event
on
what
you
guys
do
and
and
how
you
guys
operate
in
an
event
because
I
know
it's,
it's
been
kind
of
up
to
you,
guys
on
how
everything's
gone
cindy
asked
us
to
come
up
with
this
checklist.
J
The
checklist
is
currently
making
its
rounds
through
everybody
getting
comments,
and
at
this
training
that
we
do,
we
will
go
over
the
checklist.
I'll
put
it
on
your
guys's
phones
for
the
two
new
council
members
I
will
update
your
wave
and
for
all
the
other
new
counts.
All
the
old
council
members
will
make
sure
all
your
wave
in
your
contact
box
and
everything
works.
So
you
guys
can
go
through
all
that
any
questions
contact.
J
An
app
that
we
had
member
when
you
guys
came
down,
we
did
the
training.
It
was
a
little
app
that
has
everybody,
has
contact
lists
for
eeehm
and
everything.
If
you
need
me
to
do
it
again
for
you
just
you
just
go
into
your
App
Store
or
your
Play
Store.
If
you
have
an
Android
and
type
in
contact
box
and
it'll
come
up
and
you'll
and
it'll
bring
it
up
and
I'll
have
contact
lists.
J
J
J
We
will
be
doing
that
every
January
we're
trying
to
get
that
established
every
January.
Another
thing
that
probably
the
council
needs
to
be
aware
of.
Every
year
the
PSP
is
now
gonna
make
everybody
go
through
a
background
check
because
of
certain
requirements
that
we
have
so
we're
gonna
try
to
do
that.
Every
January,
if
you
guys,
need
a
copy.
The
background
check
forms
just
ask
me:
I'll
shoot
your
a
copy.
They
do
have
to
be
signed
by
a
notary
and
four
reasons.
It
is
council,
member
and
for
reasons
of
getting
a
badge.
J
A
A
J
D
J
If
there
is,
we,
hopefully
not
will
make
it
work
and
we'll
do
those
trainings,
but
but
but
yes,
we'll
have
wave
and
and
then
we
have
certain
what
we
do
is
we
call
it?
We
call
it
a
pace.
We
have
a
primary
alternate
contingent,
an
emergency
means
of
communications
and
and
how
we
go
through.
All
that
we'll
go
through
on
the
training,
so
contingent
is,
is
most
likely,
gonna
be
wave
and
emergent
is
always
going
to
be.
You
guys
are
showing
up
the
Public
Safety
Building,
so
we'll
go
through
all
that
at
the
training
counts.
A
K
Luke
yeah
I
just
want
to
say
that
the
wave
program
is
really
really
helpful
when
there
was
the
active
shooter
situation
up
at
the
University.
I
was
getting
a
lot
of
concerned
texts
and
questions
and
and
I'd
listened
to
that
app
and
was
able
to
kind
of
keep
up
to
speed
with
what
was
going
on.
So
it's
a
very,
very
convenient
tool
that
that
helps
with
immediate
information
and.
J
J
K
I
H
J
I
I
saw
in
the
briefing
that
there
were
about
six
hundred
interested
people
after
you,
like
sort
of
mentioned.
We
were
hoping
for
about
twenty
and
we
got
six
hundred
responses
to
that.
Is
there
like
a
system
in
places
we're
kind
of
like
a
priority
in
place,
as
we
continue
to
try
to
look
at
who
gets
into
the
program
and
who
has
to
wait
or
things
like
that,
so.
J
D
The
way
we've
managed
it
so
far
is
that
we
have
everybody
register
online
and
that
creates
basically
a
waiting
list
for
us
and
we
start
at
the
beginning
and
we
work
our
way
down.
So
each
time
we
have
available
federal
funding
or
the
grant
opens
for
an
application,
then
we
start
contacting
the
people
down
the
list
either
and
we
try
multiple
times
to
contact.
D
But
it's
like
we
really.
We
maintain
them
for
about
six
months
or
so,
and
then
the
grant
application
opens
and
then
we'll
like
full
speed
ahead
for
about
six
months
until
we
can't
get
anyone
else
on
the
list
for
that
year,
and
then
you
know,
but
we
try
to
send
emails
to
those
people
hey.
We
know
you're
still
on
the
waiting
list.
You
will
maintain
your
spot
on
the
waiting
list
and
you
will
move
up
into
the
queue
the
further
we
get
down.
The
list
kind
of.
I
A
D
We
don't
actually
evaluate
them
till
we're
right
before
an
application
period,
so
the
way
that
we
can
determine
whether
or
not
they'll,
qualify
or
not
is
to
actually
go
out
and
do
an
evaluation
of
the
home
and
will
take
an
engineer
and
an
architect
and
will
look
through
and
will
see
if
they
meet
all
the
guidelines.
So
until
we
actually
get
to
that
point,
we
don't
actually
know
whether
they
can
participate
or
not.
So
like
you're
saying
like,
can
we
group
them
before
we
get
to
that?
D
So
when
the
grant
application
for
that
period
has
done
all
of
those
people
that
are
in
that
grant
are
told
that
they're
going
to
be
funded
as
soon
as
we
get
in
a
grant
award
and
they're
actually
even
told
that
you
know
there's
nothing.
We
can
do
if
we
don't
actually
receive
the
award.
But
if
that
we
do
that
they
are
the
ones
that
will
receive
the
funding
it'll
pass
from
us
to
them.
So.
L
M
D
House
can
tell
them
when
we're
at
the
house.
They
didn't
qualify.
So
if
you
didn't
hear
anything,
you
were
either.
You
know,
you
know
it's
pretty
fine
line.
If
you
didn't
quality
eggs
that
take
a
house
off
the
list.
Really
the
main
one
we
see
is
that
people
think
they
have
in
a
masonry
house
and
they
have
a
stick
built
house.
That's
the
main
one
that
pulls
them
right
off
the
list.
A
J
A
Thank
you.
We're
gonna
move
on
to
item
number
three,
which
is
fantastic
courtesy,
informational,
update
on
the
fleet
block
redevelopment,
and
this
is
a
very
early
informational
stage.
So
I
want
to
thank
Melissa
Jensen.
If
you
want
to
come
up
with
us,
I,
don't
know
if
Lily
you're
gonna
come
up
as
well
Nick
turbit
from
our
office
Nick,
you
want
to
come
up.
You're
I
mean
you're
on
here.
A
M
You
and
thank
you
so
much
for
the
opportunity
to
have
a
chat
about
this
as
the
most
opportunistic
catalystic
property
in
our
city.
As
it's
been
called
many
times,
I
think
it's
such
a
unique
opportunity
to
have
an
entire
block
to
redevelop,
which
I
think
is
why
it
has
taken
time
and
diligence
to
really
make
sure
we
have
a
path
forward.
That's
going
to
provide
the
best
product
for
our
city,
so
there
you
can
see
the
block
in
its
entirety.
M
What
you
don't
see
is
there
is
a
little
parcel
that
we
don't
own
on
that
block
and
it
is
in
the
southwest
corner.
So
that's
not
blocked
off,
but
just
to
give
you
a
sense,
because
obviously
adjacent
owners
are
going
to
be
key
stakeholders
in
the
development
I
think
it's
important
to
note
in
that.
So
I
think
what
I'd
like
to
do
is
just
I'm
new
to
the
city.
M
Actually,
right,
I'm
only
been
here
two
years,
which
I
still
think
is
very
new
and
certainly
new
to
my
role
and
so
over
that
time,
I've
done
some
digging
and
worked
with
my
team
to
kind
of
say
what
is
the
history
of
fleet
block
then,
and
and
where
are
we
now
and
where
are
we
going
and
that's
been
a
lot
of
the
driving
questions
just
to
provide
some
context?
This
has
before
gone
out
for
RFP
under
different
administrations.
M
It's
been
semi
tackled
in
different
ways
and
we
have
not
yet
found
the
clearest
path
forward
in
order
to
ensure
sort
of
maximum
benefit
to
our
community.
I
think
one
of
the
things
we
don't
take
for
granted
is
the
opportunity
and
in
a
way,
I
think
that
that
may
have
stifled
us
in
making
sure
that
we
do
everything
right
to
produce
something
that
each
one
of
us
is
going
to
be
proud
of,
who
have
any
involvement
in
creating
it.
One
of
the
main
barriers
over
the
history
has
been
the
environmental
work.
How
bad
is
it?
M
What
is
it?
What
can
we
do
with
it
and
all
of
those
questions-
and
we
didn't
have
clear
answers
really
until
this
year
and
the
council
appropriated
funding
to
allow
us
to
really
finish
the
environmental
due
diligence
that
was
needed
on
this
property
so
that
we
might
have
a
better
idea
of
how
to
move
forward
so
with
that
is
just
part
of
the
history.
M
N
N
One
is
that
there
are
parts
of
the
site
that
need
very
little
remediation
to
move
forward,
particularly
in
the
case
of
commercial
which
has
lower
standards
of
cleanup,
and
then
the
other
piece
is
that
a
lot
of
the
work
that
does
need
to
be
done
could
be
handled
through
the
development
itself
and
that's
usually
a
best
practice
in
terms
of
development
is
that
the
developer
could
actually
meet
a
lot
of
what
needs
to
be
done
in
terms
of
soil
excavation
through
their
parking
and
through
grading.
That's
happening
on
the
site
anyway.
N
So
it
was
a
very
productive
analysis
and
very
fruitful
in
terms
of
seeing
you
know
likely
that
the
future
development
would
be
phased.
So
what
phases
could
make
sense
as
being
an
initial
phase
that
need
a
little
less
work?
Where
might
we
want
to
have
open
space
as
a
way
of
dealing
with
some
of
the
remediation?
Where
could
commercial
make
sense?
So
that
was
a
very
successful
evaluation
and
it
really
gives
a
range
of
remediation
options
from
if
we
just
wanted
to
be
very
conservative
and
aggressive
and
clean
up
the
whole
site
to
residential
standards.
N
Where
would
we
be
if
we
want
to
defer
that
to
the
future
developer?
Where
would
we
be,
and
those
are
very
different
numbers,
but
gave
us
order
of
magnitude
I'm,
so
I
thinking
your
handout?
The
number
that
was
given
was
really
that
most
aggressive
conservative
scenario,
but
likely
the
cost
to
the
city
would
be
much
less.
The
other
piece
that
we've
spent
some
time
digging
into
and
needs
further
work
as
the
other
infrastructure
barriers
associated
with
the
development
of
the
fleet
block,
which
are
which
could
be
a
very
substantial
cost.
N
M
So
environmental
and
costs
have
been
two
of
the
main
contemplative
factors
that
we've
considered
as
we've
navigated.
A
path
forward,
I
would
say
another
critical
piece
of
this
and
when
the
fleet
block
was
really
envisioned
many
years
ago.
So
this
is
all
hearsay.
This
was
supposed
to
be
the
catalytic
project
for
the
granary
district.
So
if
we
think
about
our
internal
partners
and
working
with
the
RDA,
we've
had
conversations
with
Danny
about
what
makes
sense
going
forward
and
how
we
work
together.
M
We
have
really
wanted
to
lay
a
strong
foundation
that
when
we
go
out
for
disposition
of
this
property,
we
know
exactly
what
is
feasible
to
ask
for
in
terms
of
cost
and
what
developer
burden
should
be
borne
and
sort
of
what
we
expect
to
happen
there.
And
so
that's
been.
The
path
that
we
have
moved
forward
on.
I
have
a
little
more
information
on
sort
of
the
direction
we're
going
over
the
next
nine
months.
H
M
N
N
Is
a
table
of
significant
parcels
and
I?
Don't
have
a
completely
memorized,
but
one
of
them
is
public.
Buildings
would
would
fall
on
that
list,
and
but
that
is
the
ordinance
that
directs
us
in
our
work,
so
periodically
department
heads
review
their
portfolio
and
identify
if
there
are
surplus
properties,
the
FLE
block
has
been
I,
think
I'm,
not
sure
how
long
it's
been
vacant.
I
am
also
fairly
new
to
the
city,
but
it's
been
vacant
for
a
while
or
don't.
O
H
M
That's
an
interesting
question:
I
mean
we
use
ordinance,
obviously
to
guide
how
we
dispose
of
properties
and
then,
obviously,
internally,
we
have
a
process
that
we
follow
an
administrative
process.
I
would
say,
that's
a
it's
a
policy
decision
in
terms
of
what
is
merited
and
what
isn't
and
also
I
would
lean
on
legal
to
kind
of
help.
Us
determine
that.
Okay,.
H
K
Thank
you,
madam
chair
yeah.
Erin
alluded
to
this
a
little
bit,
but
this
is
I've
now
been
hearing
updates
for
six
years
on
what
we
can
do
and,
and
you
know
what
we
should
be
having
on
the
fleet
buck.
You
know
this
council.
This
is
the
first
time
that
this
council
makeup
has
heard
this,
but
we've
been
talking
about
this
for
a
long
time.
K
So
what
I
hope
is
that
this
is
gonna,
be
one
of
the
last
updates
that
we
get
and
then
we
can
actually
have
something
that
is
proposed
so
that
we
can
look
at
and
and
talk
about.
I
do
think
that
there
has
been
a
lot
of
discussion
about
what
we
you
know,
what
we
as
a
council,
what
we
as
an
RDA
board,
have
been
interested
in.
This
is
a
very,
very
unique
opportunity
that
we
need
to
get
moving
on
immediately
and
I.
K
Know
that
and
I
appreciate
the
work
that
you're
doing,
because
I
know
that
you
know
we're
we're
now
getting
closer,
but
please
no
more
updates
and
let's,
let's
have
you
know
something
to
actually
talk
about,
because
you
know
when,
when
I
had
mentioned,
that
this
is
a
rare
opportunity,
I
mean
we
have.
You
know
just
about
a
full
city
block
on
tracks
in
an
RTA
area,
I
mean
we
don't
have
these
kinds
of
opportunities
in
it.
K
K
K
Think
that
you
know
if
we
need
to
look
at
density
if
we
need
to
look
at
if
there
are
things
that
the
current
ordinance
that
the
current
zoning
doesn't
fit
with,
what
you're
anticipating,
please
let
us
know
immediately
because
I
think
we're
ready
to
at
least
I'll
speak
for
myself,
I'm
ready
to
get
moving
on
this,
because
it's
been
a
long
time
coming
and
and
I'm
I
just
want
to
see.
I
just
want
to
see
some
action.
So
thank.
N
M
What
we've
determined,
perhaps
I,
could
talk
about.
Next
steps
going
forward
might
be
a
good
segue
based
on
councilmember
Luke's
urgency,
which
I
feel
completely.
Believe
me.
It
is
such
an
opportunity.
We
have
decided
at
this
point
to
do
an
RFP
for
an
urban
design
firm
to
come
in
and
help
us
articulate
the
best,
not
the
best
vision.
M
I,
don't
want
you
to
imagine
like
where
the
tree
or
the
landscaping
is,
but
the
highest
and
best
use
in
terms
of
phasing
infrastructure
and
sort
of
zoning,
and
what
we
hope
is
that
does
a
couple
of
things
for
us
one.
It
allows
us
to
rely
on
experts
throughout
the
nation
to
take
a
look
at
the
Block
in
relation
to
the
larger
granary
district
and
determine
the
best
way
to
phase
it
so
that
we
can
ensure
that
development
happens
quickly,
and
it
can
also
help
our
planning
team
sort
of
go
through
the
zoning
pieces.
M
We
understand
we
are
resource
constrained
as
it
is,
and
so
we
look
at
this
RFP
as
really
providing
us
a
very,
very
strong
foundation,
so
that
when
we
go
out
to
seek
a
developer
or
developers
to
build
on
the
land,
we
have
exactly
a
very
clear
idea
of
what
to
expect
what
we
expect,
what
the
timeliness
is
and
how
much
we
can
expect
a
developer
to
take
long
on
as
I've
looked
back,
I
see
the
environmental
and
the
cost
have
been
the
two
inhibitors
to
this
project.
Getting
done
and
I.
Think.
M
By
going
through
this
process,
we'll
be
able
to
gain
the
information,
we
need
to
provide
a
very
strong
foundation
for
moving
quickly,
so
in
one
way,
I'm
actually
disappointed
because
we're
taking
a
little
bit
longer
to
seek
this
firm.
But
in
another
way,
I
feel
like
it
provides
some
very
concrete
direction
and
cost
analysis
that
we'll
need
to
make
the
parcel
productive.
N
Kind
of
the
key
piece
for
us
and
being
able
to
move
quickly
with
implementation
of
the
ultimate
developer.
Rfp
here
is
an
understanding
of
what
of
the
infrastructure.
Costs
can
be
borne
by
the
private
developer
versus
what
needs
to
be
borne
by
the
public
sector
and
that's
something
where
the
economic
feasibility
is
really
critical
to
have
a
handle
on
before
we
put
this
out
to
RFP
for
development.
M
E
M
Is
I
mean
this
is
a
preliminary
piece
right,
I
mean.
Obviously
we
have
a
much
larger
stakeholder
group
as
as
the
design
firm
comes
in,
they
will
actually
be
charged
with
working
with
a
variety
of
stakeholders
throughout
the
city
and
the
adjacent
parcel.
It's
important
that
they're
gonna
gather
all
of
the
information
from
the
wide
variety
of
partners
to
help
navigate
how
we
go
forward
and.
E
Follow-Up
to
that
for
my
colleagues
here,
I
met
with
Melissa
and
Lily
last
week
or
two
weeks
ago
about
this
in
particular,
and
I
encouraged
them
to
think
of
the
RFP
in
context
of
the
whole
neighbourhood
itself.
Not
just
this
block
now
I
think
it's
important
to
have
a
plan
for
the
8.75
acres,
that
is
the
fleet
block,
but
keep
in
mind
that
this
is
the
beating
heart
of
an
entire
rd8
district,
as
Melissa
mentioned
already,
and
the
RTA
has
some
great
tools
that
we
could
use
to
help
develop
this.
E
This
parcel,
and
so
I
really
feel
that
we
need
to
have
a
snapshot
of
this
fleet
block
in
context
of
the
broader
neighbourhood
as
well
and
how
we
might
roll
out
the
development
of
other
corners
of
the
grainery
district.
So
that's
one
thing
that
I
think
is
really
important
here
and
then
just
on
a
personal
note,
I
would
really
like
to
see
not
one
developer,
but
a
cluster
of
developers
getting
their
hands
into
this
prod.
E
Whatever
this
project
might
look
like,
I
think
that
when
you
have
more
than
one
style
of
development,
you
get
a
much
higher
quality
development
pattern
in
a
neighborhood,
and
so
you
know,
I
I
would
like
to
just
mention
this
to
Nick
Norris,
oh
I
see
sitting
Lee
in
the
audience
as
well
and
I.
Don't
know
what
planning
tools
we
have,
but
I
really
would
love
to
see
this
block
broken
up.
F
I'm
sorry
I
missed
that
meeting
by
the
way.
Give
me
a
give
me
a
sense
of
what
I
will
see
after
this
RFP
goes
out
and
the
product
comes
back
sort
of
have
a
hard
time
wrapping
my
head
around.
F
We
looped
it
earlier
with
with
Chris
and
also
with
Derek,
about
who
sort
of
says
the
vision.
What's
the
vision,
what
do
we
need?
We
need
parked.
We
need
mixed-use,
it
was
the
highest
and
best
purpose
right
economically,
for
a
residential
neighborhood.
Is
that
sort
of
thing
is
that
the
scope
of
this
give
me
a
help,
sort
of
help?
What
I'm?
Looking
for
here?
What
my
expectation?
That
is
my
expectations
for
me.
M
It
was
really
imagined,
as
an
innovation
district,
with
the
fleet
block
being
the
catalyst
of
that
area.
Obviously,
an
innovation
districts
around
the
country
they're
not
contained
to
one
block
there
they're
much
bigger
than
that,
and
so
you
would
see
a
variety
of
actual
uses,
including
housing,
green
space,
public
space
density,
sustainable
urban
housing
that
provides
a
range
of
options
of
different
sizes,
proximity
to
arts,
cultural
venues,
strong
pedestrian
connection,
mid
block
pathways,
and
then
the
businesses
that
would
come
in
would
reflect.
M
The
idea
of
you
know
startups
innovation,
some
of
that
characteristics
within
the
actual
district,
which
is
why
obviously,
economic
development
is
also
a
key
players.
We
go
forward
and
understanding
from
them.
What
is
actual
feasible
interest
versus
interest?
We
know
that
there's
a
lot
of
interest
in
the
fleet
block,
but
some
of
that
interest
is
very
in
line
with
the
vision
and
the
master
plans,
because
this
is
also
informed
by
the
master
plans
and
some
of
its
not
so
that's
sort
of
big
big
picture
vision
and
then
I'll
have
Lily
speak
to
the
RFP
yeah.
N
So
the
RFP
definitely
is
not
about
division,
because
there
is
a
vision
and
the
downtown
master
plan
provides
a
lot
of
the
concepts
that
we
want
to
see
here.
There
there's
several
deliverables
that
were
anticipating
through
the
context
of
this
RFP
I,
think
the
important
initial
tasks
are
really
a
distillation
of
what
the
studies
that
have
been
done
on
the
site
and
internal
and
external
stakeholder
feedback,
which
are
both
critical
and
using
that
to
inform
the
highest
and
best
use
plan
for
the
site,
which
is
really
looking
at
a
few
things.
N
Ultimately,
we
want
to
end
up
with
a
plan
for
the
site
that
has
recommendations
on
phasing.
What
can
move
forward
as
an
initial
phase?
What
would
be
later
phases
the
appropriate
mix
of
uses
for
each
of
those
phases
in
putting
them
out
for
development,
the
infrastructure
costs
associated
with
that
and
how
those?
What
could
be
paid
for
by
private
development
versus
public?
M
I
just
offer
like
a
very
tactical
example
of
this,
so
that
you
can
understand
what
works.
Well,
everybody
can
because
we're
speaking
very
jargony
a
little
bit,
but
the
power
lines
are
a
big
issue.
They've
and
everybody's.
A
lot
of
people
have
said
you
need
to
bury
the
power
lines.
Well,
that,
probably,
is
the
single
largest
cost
of
that
block
is
to
bury
those
and
then
are
you
just
burying
one
section
of
that
whole
power
line,
and
how
does
that
look
and
so?
M
F
M
Think
they're,
certainly
interested
in
participating
they've,
been
great
to
work
with
they've
shared
their
environmental
study.
They're
interested
in
the
site
at
large
I
think.
Obviously,
we
are
very
sensitive
to
the
public
process
that
needs
to
take
place
and
ensuring
that
we
provide
an
opportunity
for
a
wide
range
of
developers
to
engage
in
that,
and
so,
while
we
see
them
as
a
stakeholder
in
terms
of
how
it
would
develop
and
really
key
I
mean
if
anything
is
developed,
we
want
to
make
sure
that
adjacent
property
is
going
to
help
move.
I
You
so-
and
you
may
have
answered
this
and
I
may
have
missed
it,
but
do
we
expect
this
sort
of
consultation
and
this
study
of
how
we're
going
to
have
like
get
to
an
implementation
plan
to
take
the
majority
of
the
year?
When
do
you
anticipate
fingers
crossed
all
the
good
things
bearing
down
yet
nicely
on
us
that
we
would
have
an
implementation
plan?
We.
N
D
D
M
P
From
a
zoning
perspective,
we
actually
internally
have
an
ordinance
written
for
it.
We
have
not
has
not
gone
through
a
vetting
process,
it's
just
an
outline.
We
started
writing
in
numbers
based
on
what
the
master
plan
says.
Based
on
previous
engagement,
I
mean,
and
there's
been
a
lot
of
over
the
past
three
or
four
years,
a
lot
of
public
engagement
in
this
area
about
this
development.
We.
P
The
difference
between
and
just
to
maybe
clarify
the
idea
between
density
and
scale.
So
density,
really
in
our
mind,
is
talking
about
the
residential
units
and
the
number.
Whereas
the
scale
is
talking
about
the
overall
size
of
the
building,
you
can
get
randomly
different
densities,
even
at
small
scale,
depending
on
footprints
and
all
those
things.
So
that's
kind
of
the
difference
there
once
once
we
like
to
use
the
term
density
and
intensity.
So
those
are
two
different
kinds
of
things,
but
they
related.
P
I
H
P
And
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
like
I
said
I
mean
we're
we're
pretty
ready
to.
We
have
an
existing
ordinance,
it's
all
about
deciding
what
that
height
is
things
like
that
and
then
starting
to
run
it
through
a
process.
One
of
the
things
that
we
want
to
do
is
make
sure
that
that
ordinance
is
transferable
to
the
rest
of
the
district,
so
that
that's
that's
the
part
that
once
we
get
those,
then
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
not
doing
them
I
mean.
Fortunately
we
don't.
P
This
is
an
area
where
we
have
a
lot
of
big
buildings,
not
tall
buildings,
but
a
lot
of
big
buildings
and
so
scale
isn't
necessarily
as
a
big
of
a
concern
as
it
was
a
east
of
west.
Obviously
so,
there's
more
flexibility
there,
but
we
still
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
we're
getting
that
number
right
and
that
it's
feasible.
E
D
D
D
H
A
Other
councilmember
questions
I
have
a
few,
but
I'll
wait
so
going
back
to
the
councilmember
Wharton's
question
around
what
ordinance
and
policy
might
help
shape
the
direction
of
this
approach
and
that
we
have
the
surplus
ordinance
but
I
think
the
quote.
One
of
the
qualifying
acreage
requirements
to
become
surplus
is
like
an
eight
twentieth
of
this
side.
A
We
have
seven
and
a
half
acres
that
we
have
here
and,
as
we
were
just
saying,
it's
so
unique
and
so
I'm
wondering
if
there
isn't
some
more
intense
scrutiny
necessary
on
what,
for
example,
we're
talking
about
some
pretty
big
ticket
items,
undergrounding
being
the
biggest
of
those.
What
kind
of
considerations
are
being
given
to
the
reality
of
budgets,
and
it
I
mean
it
sounds
like
you're
gonna
be
coming
back
to
us
asking
for
money,
and
we've
already
had
some
hot
conversations
on
other
undergrounding
very
nearby
here.
M
My
hope
is
that
when
we
get
the
results
of
that,
we
come
back
to
this
body
to
have
a
further
discussion
about
next
steps
before
any
sort
of
RFQ
or
developer
strategy
is,
is
executed
and
I.
Think
that's
really
important
because
also,
as
we
know,
I'm
new
Myka
Carrillo
was
before
me
and
I
hope
that
I'm
here
through
the
fruition
of
fleet
block.
M
But
if
it's
not
I,
think
it's
really
important
to
have
specific
steps
in
the
process
where
it's
been
laid
out
and
heard
and
sort
of
recognized
as
we
go
forward
so
that
we
can
keep
the
momentum
of
such
properties
going
forward.
So
I
wouldn't
see
our
next
step
as
as
an
ask
but
more
of
a
presentation
of
the
results
and
a
path
forward.
Let.
A
Me
get
a
little
more
specific
with
a
request
here,
which
is
that
I'll
back
up
to
say
that
there
are
sometimes
accidentally
assumptions
made
by
third-party
cons
contractors
that
we
bring
in
to
evaluate
an
area
or
a
property
or
potential
project,
and
there
are
assumptions
made
that
don't
fit
into
the
reality
of
our
budget
context
and
I
recognize
right
now.
There's
really
no
money
on
fleet
block
to
even
begin
the
conversation,
but
that
is
a
that
is
the
reality.
A
So,
if
I
could
request
that
this
third
party
be
oriented
to
the
current
landscape
of
funding
in
the
RDA
area
or
the
lack
of
funding
in
the
RDA
area
with
public
utilities,
perhaps
even
with
the
discussions
that
this
body
had
in
the
RDA
capacity
around
underground,
because
it
would
be
a
shame
for
us
to
get
results
back
that
assume
a
willingness
or
revenue
that
isn't
there.
Aaron.
D
It's
something
in
addition
to
that
is
also
to
have
them
look
at
maybe
other
ways
of
remediating,
whether
it's
source
remediation
instead
of
doing
the
entire
remediation
of
the
bill
of
the
property
I
mean
I,
don't
know
if
that's
something
the
city
has
ever
looked
at,
but
there
are
other
ways
of
remediating
properties.
I,
don't
think.
We've
looked
at
yes,.
A
M
A
Yeah,
if
you
couldn't
hear
council
member
kitchen,
perhaps
a
reorientation
to
what
an
innovation
district
is
especially
one
limited
to
the
size
that
we're
talking
about
here.
Some
of
us
went
on
the
Chicago
Chamber
trip,
and
this
did
tell
me
the
name
of
the
year.
There's
a
giant
the
old
Sears
Roebuck
warehouse
building
it's
enormous
and
they
have
an
incredible
Innovation
Centre
in
there,
it's
very
difficult
to
say,
yeah.
A
We
could
translate
that
to
this
empty
block
that
we
have
so
I'll
wrap
up
by
asking
also
that
the
I'm,
assuming
that
the
transit
master
plan,
would
be
part
of
the
context
that
are
our
third
parties
look
at
and
the
potential,
although
albeit
distant
potential
for
1/9
South
off
ramp,
reorientation
which
were
in
the
study
process
now.
I
understand
transportations,
begun.
The
study
that
the
council
funded
some
time
ago
on
use
of
that
off-ramp,
but
that
area
is
distantly,
has
the
potential
for
a
serious
transportation
impact
or
reorientation
there.
A
So
I
hope
that
on
transportation
might
be
asked
to
give
feedback
on
that.
So
I've
got
a
councilmember
kitchen
asking
for
some
neighborhood
context
in
consideration
of
the
RFP
at
the
more
of
a
holistic
level,
with
a
preference
for
multiple
developers
and
a
piecing
out
of
the
parcels,
councilmember
Johnston
asking
for
collaboration
with
the
neighboring
property
owner,
and
if
we
could
get
some
follow-up
on
that
at
whatever
next
meeting
we
have
on
this
subject
about
that
potential
collaboration
for
the
environmental
cleanup,
councilmember
Fowler,
asking
for
the
timeline
of
completion
of
that
third
party.
A
If
you
could
just
let
us
know,
and
whatever
written
briefing
or
emails
as
this
goes
along,
that
would
be
really
helpful
and
councilmember
Rogers,
asking
which
I
will
echo?
What
kind
of
streamlining
can
we
do
in
this
process?
I
think
it's
going
to
come
down
to
money
and
it's
going
to
come,
probably
to
a
rezone.
So
whatever
those
really
foreseeable
conversations
are,
let's
begin
them
soon,
so
that
this
can
be
developed
before
we
die
council
members.
Any
other
points
questions
you
want
to
bring
up
on
this
one.
A
Thank
you
so
much
for
giving
us
this
opportunity
to
see
where
you
are
at
in
the
process
and
have
a
little
bit
of
dialogue
about
it.
It's
been
a
while
in
both
ways
since
we've
talked
about
it
and
how
long
this
has
been
going
on.
So
we
hope
that
this
kind
of
dialogue
can
continue
as
your
process
does.
Thank
you
so
much.
Thank
you.
A
Council
members,
how
you
doing
you
need
a
break
all
right,
we'll
get
through
the
next
one.
Then
maybe
we
actually,
we
have
a
break
scheduled,
but
we're
running
a
little
behind.
So
let's
move
on
to
item
number
four:
an
ordinance
for
street
closure
at
13,
South
between
900
West
and
the
Jordan
River,
and
we've
got
Brian
Fullmer
from
our
council
staff.
Who
will
join
us
but
I
see
some
other
people
come
on
up.
C
K
Up
the
image
here
we're
talking
about,
as
you
mentioned,
a
street
closure
1,300
South
between
900
West
and
the
Jordan
River,
and
if
it's
all
right
with
you,
I'd
like
to
maybe
spend
just
a
minute,
giving
a
brief
background
on
it
to
refresh
councilmembers
memory
and
bring
the
new
council
members
up
to
speed
a
little
bit
on
this.
Is
that
all
right,
madam
chair,
please.
K
This
section
of
1300
south
is
approximately
60
feet
wide
and
180
feet
long
between
900
west
and
the
Jordan
River.
It's
not
currently
used
for
transportation
of
vehicles,
but
more
for
parking
of
vehicles
and
illegal
dumping
of
items
into
the
Jordan
River
part
of
the
project
associated
with
this
is
this
is
part
of
a
project
called
the
three
creeks
confluence
where
the
immigration
Red,
Butte
and
parlays
creeks
all
come
together
as
they
enter
the
Jordan
River.
K
There
is
a
plan
to
develop
an
open
space
here
and
make
it
a
nice
public
area
for
learning
about
and
spending
time
at
the
Jordan
River
in
the
summer
of
2016,
the
council
was
briefed
on
this
street
closure
and
at
the
subsequent
public
hearing
the
adjacent
property
owner
to
the
South
expressed
concern
about
impacts
to
his
business.
It's
an
auto
repair
shop
and
as
part
of
that,
he
has
a
towing
operation
that
comprises
a
significant
portion
of
the
revenue
generated
by
his
business.
He
needs
space
to
move
his
tow
truck
with
the
vehicles.
K
He's
picked
up
into
the
storage
yard
at
the
back
of
his
lot.
If
we
go
to
the
next
slide,
we'll
have
a
you'll,
see
the
green
shaded
area
and
the
pink
shaded
area
actually
is
the
storage
yard.
The
owner
uses
a
section
of
13th
south
as
an
entrance
to
his
business
to
move
the
tow
truck
in
and
drop
off
the
vehicles
that
he's
towed.
K
Since
that
time
there
have
been
meetings
between
the
administration
and
some
council
staff
with
the
property
owner
on
site
and
also
additional
meetings.
The
administration
has
had
with
him
to
talk
about
purchasing
or
trading
property,
and
so
where
we
are
today
is
to
present
some
options.
The
administration
has
come
up
with,
while
working
with
the
property
owner
with
that
I'll
turn
it
over
to
Luis
Cogan
great.
Q
Q
The
the
section
option
is
essentially
to
shrink
that
access
width
down
to
ten
feet.
That
is
what
was
requested
by
the
property
owner.
We
looked
into
that
option.
It
would
have
slightly
less
impact
on
our
proposed
open
space
improvement
project,
but
unfortunately
requires
the
relocation
of
a
single
power
pole
because
of
requirements
about
vehicle
proximity
to
power
poles,
and
because
it's
a
distribution,
power
pole,
we
have
to
relocate
to
adjacent
power,
poles,
bringing
the
total
cost
for
the
power
pole,
relocation
to
at
least
250,000
dollars.
A
I
Q
Have
to
be
honest,
I
haven't
discussed
it
in
depth
with
planning
or
real
estate
services.
I
I
know
that
at
least
from
the
conversations
I've
had
internally
at
parks
and
public
lands
we're
we're
motivated
to
attempt
to
relocate
the
property
owner.
Obviously,
that
is
up
to
him
and
not
up
to
us,
but
being
able
to
expand
the
project
boundaries.
A
little
more
would
be
extremely
beneficial
in
our
meetings
with
the
property
owner.
He's
indicated
that
he
will.
He
had
agreed
to
work
collaboratively
with
the
city
to
try
to
find
opportunities
to
relocate
his
business.
I.
I
Would
you
anticipate
this
project
to
take,
and
then
with
that,
let's
say
in
five
years
the
funding
has
appeared
magically
somewhere
and
there's
a
wonderful
spot
for
mr.
vu
to
move
to.
Can
we
then
expand
that
to
kind
of
create
what
we're
envisioning
here
that
we
may
not
be
able
to
create?
Should
we
give
this
temporary
lease
I.
Q
Q
Q
Q
vu,
based
on
his
tax
assessor's
assess
the
value
of
the
property
that
was
not
sufficient
to
interest
him,
but
in
conversations
about
a
month
ago,
with
real
estate
services,
I
think
that
realistic,
fair
market
value
assessment
of
his
of
his
property
probably
would
be
sufficient
to
interest
him
and
relocating,
given
that
there
was
some
additional
compensation
necessary
to
make
it
feasible
for
him
to
establish
his
business
at
a
new
location.
Have.
E
E
E
Don't
know
it
seems
like
an
opportunity
for
us,
so
I
I'm,
actually
leaning
toward
option
C
here
and
maybe
looking
at
finding
ways
that
we
can
move
forward
with
relocating
and
maybe
I
don't
know.
I
would
like
to
find
out
some
more
information
on
what
it
might
cost,
for
instance.
But
to
me
it
just
seems,
like
you
know,
this
reaches
into
master
plans
dating
all
the
way
back
to
1990
and
even
before
so
I
just
feel
like.
E
R
A
clarification
because
I
think
things
are
evolving
as
you
receive
more
information,
were
you
saying
a
minute
ago?
I
may
have
misunderstood,
but
did
you
say
that
you
could
complete
the
whole
project
in
terms
of
the
day
lighting
and
things
even
with
an
easement?
Can
you
describe
that
more
for
us?
What
would
what
would
be
lacking?
What
would
you
not
be
able
to
do?
You
may
have
already
said
that,
but
if
you
could
clarify
sure.
Q
And
I
might
turn
attention
to
the
image
up
there
on
the
screen.
I
think
that
what
we
are
concerned
about
is
that
if
we
provide
this
temporary
access
easement,
it
would
potentially
substantially
impacts
our
ability
to
do
anything.
That
is
on
the
south
side
of
that.
What
is
shown
is
the
delighted
stream
up
there.
So
right
now
we're
showing
public
access,
the
city-owned
portion
of
the
Jordan
River
to
the
south,
we're
showing
a
fishing
dock
and
our
fishing
terraces,
and
then
an
ability
for
people
to
get
right
down
to
the
river's
edge.
Q
I
think
it's
possible
that
all
that
would
be
impacted.
I,
don't
want
to
say
that
it
would
not
be
possible,
and
it
may
in
fact
be
possible
to
attempt
to
share
the
the
right-of-way,
depending
on
what
we're
able
to
negotiate
with
the
property
owner,
so
that
the
public
has
access
along
the
same,
the
same
place
where
mr.
vu
would
be
backing
his
vehicles
just.
R
To
clarify,
it
will
be
pretty
easy
to
negotiate
with
the
property
owner
because
you
have
all
of
the
cards,
so
the
city
owns
the
property
you
may
choose,
or
the
city
may
choose
to
give
him
some
ability
to
use
it,
but
in
terms
of
the
requirements
associated
with
that
and
how
you
would
lay
that
out,
that
really
is
up
to
the
city.
Isn't
it.
A
Q
Detailed
plans
here
until
we
knew
what
the
City
Council
would
or
would
not
approve,
as
as
far
as
vacation
of
this
right-of-way
and
so
I
guess,
we
have
not
we've
not
really
gone
down
that
path
completely.
I
think
that
if
the,
if,
if
we
provide
the
property
owner
with
that
access,
we're
going
to
need
to
try
to
determine
at
that
point,
what
is
still
feasible,
I
have
not
been
advised
by
any
other
staff.
Exactly
what
the
negotiation
process
looks
like
I
absolutely
hear
what
you're
saying,
but
this
is
not
something
I've
ever
conducted
before
well,.
A
I'll
just
say
that
it
is
difficult
for
the
council
to
make
a
decision
about
which
path,
especially
when
the
administration's
made
a
recommendation
on
on
a
and
said
this
are.
These
are
the
consequences
of
that
decision
for
us
to
hear
that
that
might
they
may
not
be
the
consequences
of
the
decision
and
that
that's
still
a
fluid
scenario?
It's
it
puts
us
in
a
really
squishy
position
to
make
a
decision,
so
councilmember
Johnston,
sorry
to
delay
your
moment.
It's.
F
F
It's
frustrating
for
me,
because
there's
no
end
result
here
other
than
saying
there's
a
temporary,
at
least
to
remain
in
business
there,
which
may
or
may
not
be
compatible
with
the
park
next
door
anyway,
and
it
seems
like
it
does
change
fundamentally
the
whole
design
process
that's
been
going
through
with
Glendale
Community
Council
on
that
open
house
for
a
couple
of
years
now
saying
this
is
design.
This
is
what
we
need
and
saying
one
easement
is
well,
one
option
is
no.
This
is
city-owned
property
as
part
of
a
master
plan
for
a
a
park.
F
Q
Don't
I
don't
think
exactly,
and
and
and
please
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
here,
but
this
is
not
exactly
city-owned
property,
it
is
a
public
right-of-way.
Okay,
it
is
not
yet
a
parcel
of
city-owned
property.
Is
that
correct
and
and
I
believe
that
there
are
state
statutes
which
dictate
what
what
we
you
know
when
we
can
and
cannot
vacate
public,
right-of-way
and
and
so
what
I'm
trying
to
be
careful
and
not
misspeak
here
but
I
believe
that
there
there
are
some
requirements
where
we
cannot.
Well,
it's
a
public
right-of-way.
Q
It
is
not
a
city
parcel,
yet
we
are
proposing
that
we
vacate
this
right
away
and
turn
it
into
a
city
parcel.
But
there
is
a
there
is
a
property
owner
who
has
historically
been
using
a
public
right-of-way,
for
you
know
beneficial
use
of
his
property
and
and
we're
trying
to
be
cognizant
of
that
in
the
same
way
that
you
know
if
this
was
a
residence,
and
this
was
the
residents
only
access
to
their
garage
or
something
we
would
not.
A
H
O
E
O
That's
legal
access
to
his
property
I
mean
essentially
what
this
property
is
now
is
a
corner
lot
that
has
two
different
access
ways.
The
other
issue,
though,
is
that
it's,
my
understanding,
the
property
owner
has
been
using
the
property,
as
essentially
parking
for
his
own
business.
Now,
that
is
something
that's
not
authorized,
so
it
kind
of
I
just
kind
of
wanted
to
clarify
that
in
your
statement,
councilmember
on
what
the
property
has
been
used
for
and
actually
accessing,
his
property
is
illegal,
illegal.
B
F
A
F
Q
Substantial
effort
to
make
sure
that
the
adjoining
property
owner
was
not
substantially
impacted
and
that
that
has
been
our
approach
moving
forward
here
was
not
that
the
city
was
holding
all
the
cards
with
the
right-of-way,
so
my
understanding
has
been
that
the
city
would
foot
the
bill
on
the
on
the
pole.
Relocation.
If
that
was
the
approach
we
took.
O
F
P
P
F
Was
my
question
again:
it's
public
right
away,
but
it's
city-owned
property
essential.
Now
we
can
change
the
access
and
use
of
it
by
statute,
but
it
is
technically
city-owned
properties.
That's
why
my
confusion
about
why
we
would
be
responsible
for
relocation
of
power
lines
or
anything
else
if
there
is
a
request
for
an
easement
or
use
a
part
of
that
and.
F
That's
my
question
is
that
if
our
beginning
Dead's
deadline
for
spending
money
taxed
to
get
this
implemented,
it
sounds
like
and
I
hate
to
sort
of
make
these
decisions
in
a
rush
right
crisis
kind
of
decision-making.
But
I'm
troubled
by
us
feel
like
we're
hemmed
in
here
and,
like
I,
said:
I,
don't
want
to
put
our
two.
You
know
an
intentional
burden
on
mr.
vu
and
his
business.
However,
it
does
substantially
change
the
entire
design
of
the
of
this
Plaza.
I
So
my
you
sort
of
answered
my
access
question,
but
actually
can't
we
create,
should
we
decide
on
option
a
can't.
We
create
a
finite
temporary
lease
where
it
would
be
only
last
for
two
years
and
then
that
would
have
to
be
like
you
either
stay.
If
we
take
this
away,
I
mean
there's
seems
to
me
some
legal
negotiations
within
a
lease
of
some
sort
that
we
could
work
with
as
well
to.
P
The
extent
that
you're
asking
me
that
question
I
apologize,
it
would
be
more
helpful
if
we
had
some
folks
here
from
real
estate
services
to
answer
these
questions.
I
have
not
been
involved
in
any
of
these
conversations.
I
merely
was
part
of
the
process
of
getting
the
street
closure
from
Planning
Commission
to
here
so
I
know,
that's
not
very
helpful.
That's.
H
Q
Relocating
them
requires
the
the
funding
to
acquire
the
the
relocation
parcel,
as
well
as
some
money
to
make
it
feasible
for
them
to
restart
their
business
in
a
new
location.
We
don't
necessarily
have
that
money
right
now
Nord,
nor
have
we
identified
a
specific
property
where
they
could
be
real
relocated.
Well,.
H
A
There's
been
an
understanding
that
the
towing
operation
is
integral
to
the
success
of
this
continuation
of
this
business
and
that,
if
we
do
take
even
what
is
rightfully
the
city's,
it
will
eliminate
their
ability
to
operate
the
towing
component
of
their
business
and
doom
the
business
according
to
the
business
owner
right.
That's.
H
H
I
Is
good
else,
but
just
real
quick
going
back
to
something
that
Chris
mentioned
or
sorry
I
lost
my
train
of
thought,
but
it's
back
so
there's
a
part
of
the
haste
in
this.
Is
that
there's
the
CBD
funding
that
has
the
potential
of
going
away
and
getting
losing?
How
much
did
you
imagine
five
hundred
eighty
thousand
dollars
five.
I
Q
Correct
our
budget
with
that
money
includes
about
eighty
thousand
dollars
for
the
preparation
of
various
things,
that
aside
from
breaking
ground,
and
we
could
start
spending
that
money
immediately,
which
per
direction
from
hand
on
CDBG.
That
would
probably
be
sufficient
to
show
that
we
are
making
progress
and
spending
the
money.
So.
Q
That
is
true,
we
feel
like
if
we
start,
if
we
need
to
be
able
to
tell
our
consultant
what
the
boundaries
of
the
of
the
project
are
and
and
and
because
it's
located,
you
know
almost
directly
over
these
buck
box
culverts
where
there
would
be
day
lighting
activities.
The
the
seventeen
and
a
half
feet
is
it's
important
to
know
if,
if
we're
going
to
have
that,
have
that
or
not
as
they
start
preparing
the
construction
documents
and.
I
I
understand
that
I
think
part
of
the
concern
and
I
don't
want,
certainly
don't
want
to
speak
for
councilmember
Johnston,
but
it
seems
like
we're
being
asked
to
make
a
decision
in
haste
or
lose
a
bunch
of
money
and
that-
and
that
seems
like
if
there
is
a
way
to
have
some
more
information
on
this
without
the
possibility
of
losing
a
very
significant
amount
of
money
for
this
project.
I
would
certainly
feel
more
comfortable
with
that
and
I
think.
That
was
something
that
that
Andrew
was
getting
to
you
earlier
is.
I
A
A
E
You
for
that
point,
Erin
and
I
completely
agree
with
everything
that
you
mentioned.
Councilmember
Fowler
I'm,
looking
at
this
map
here
and
to
me,
the
property
in
question.
The
private
property
here
seems
like
a
natural
spot
for
a
continuation
of
a
Jordan,
River,
Parkway,
Park
and
so
I
guess
you
know
I
don't
want
to
get
into
the
weeds
any
any
more
than
we
already
are
on
this
issue.
E
F
Maybe
in
your
synopsis,
piece
I
think
I
would
I
would
be
I
want
to
be
clear
that
I
would
only
endorse
I
think
at
this
point
and
some
compromise
or
some
agreement
that
would
not
narrow
the
scope
of
the
the
park.
At
this
point
and
the
reason
I
say
that
is
because
the
point
of
this
was
the
three
creeks
confluence
and
daylighting.
That
was
the
whole
Park
and
the
culvert
being
directly
underneath
13
south
means
that
any
encroachment
upon
that
fundamentally
changes
that
I
don't
know
the
specifics
on
that.
F
Obviously,
and
the
consultant
and
so
forth.
I'd
have
to
look
at
that,
but
it
does
compromise
the
point
of
the
park.
I
think
and
that's
my
concern
about
the
easement
over
13
south
of
this
point.
I'd
love
to
see
if
there
are
plans
or
other
ideas
about
how
a
mutually
beneficial
agreement
comes
with
mr.
vu
or
the
relocation
and
the
city.
Looking
that
piece
of
property
south
of
it.
My
concern
about
to
these
options
is
just
that
it
does
I.
A
If,
if
I
can
summarize
a
bit,
it
sounds
like
you've
got
a
body
who
is
mostly
on
the
side
of.
We
want
this
project
to
continue
as
planned
to
this
point,
and
we
and
I
do
I
like
the
way
it
councilmember
kitchen
put
it
that
we're
doing
a
temporary
release
that
could
permanently
impact
the
development
of
the
confluence,
and
that
feels
wrong.
A
I,
don't
feel
like
the
property
owner
is
as
motivated
as
the
city
is
to
find
new
property,
and
so
what
I
would
propose
is
that
we
look
at
in
strengthening
the
incentives
to
get
this
moving,
and
part
of
that
is
our
ability
to
put
a
shorter
time
span
on
that
temporary
lease.
And
perhaps,
if
it's
a
two-year
construction
horizon
on
the
project.
Perhaps
it's
a
two-year
lease
that
we're
looking
at
here,
but
that
we
could
couldn't
we
contemplate
the
revolving
loan
fund
as
a
financing
tool
for
mr.
vu
in
building
a
new
facility
I.
A
My
memory
of
his
addressing
us
at
the
public
comment
back
the
summer
was
that
he
wanted
to
be
on
ninth
East
or
ninth
West
and
to
have
another
garage
facility
appropriate
facility
in
and
I.
Remember
at
the
time
that
administrative
folks
basically
said
we
don't
build
garages.
Salt,
Lake
City
doesn't
go
building
garages,
but
we
do
have
financing
tools
and
so
I'd
like
to
hear
back
from
the
real
estate
services.
If
they've
explored,
making
the
revolving
loan
fund
a
financing
option
for
mr.
A
H
I
think
so
that
what
we
would
like
to
do
is
we
would
like
to
move
forward
with
and
the
project
and
not
impact
or
alter
the
design
of
what
has
been
approved
for
the
project,
and
we
would
ask
that
the
administration
look
for
ways
to
further
incentivize
the
relocation
of
this
space
and
what
the
space
could
be
used
for.
That's
our
inclination
at
this
point.
A
F
Everybody
the
week
actually
operationalize
it
I
think
my
intention
was
not
to
changed
the
park
itself
now.
I,
don't
know
what
the
solution
for
mr.
hoo
and
the
business
I
think
that's
something
that
I
would
defer
to
folks
working
with
him
on
I
think
the
intention
might
be
to
not
to
help
him
his
business
succeed
in
the
place
that
would
be
most
feasible
because,
obviously,
if
we
don't
give
the
easement
it's
not
gonna
succeed
there,
the
way
he
envisioned
it
right.
That's
where
I
sort
of
intentionally
moves.
A
A
A
F
A
A
D
A
S
S
P
S
You
Nick
this
is
regarding
chapter
21,
a
42,
the
zoning
or
the
temporary
use
section,
and
this
is
in
regards
to
a
petition
that
was
initiated
by
Meribah
scoopski
in
April
of
2017,
basically
to
amend
this
chapter,
to
streamline
it
and
make
it
more
simple
for
people
to
use
temporary
uses
has
caused
a
little
bit
of
confusion
and
problems
with
people
downstairs
getting
getting
permits
to
follow
through
with
that.
So
out
of
that,
this
is
what
we've
been
working
on
the
as
it's
mentioned
in
my
staff
report.
S
The
major
issues
that
we're
looking
at
proposing
to
change
are.
The
first
is
separating
temporary
uses
from
temporary
structures
in
the
existing
ordinance
they're
tied
in
together,
and
it
makes
it
very
confusing
what
the
difference
is
between
a
temporary
use
and
a
temporary
structure
to
facilitate
that
use.
Will.
S
Well,
for
example,
right
now,
there's
a
section
that
talks
about
like
snow
cone,
shacks,
for
example,
and
it
seems
like
it's
inherent
on
the
use
through
the
building
and
then
there's
other
issues,
for
example,
where
sometimes
an
existing
business
wants
a
temporary
use,
that's
located
outs
out
of
their
permanent
structure,
underneath
a
canopy
or
a
tent,
or
something
like
that
and
to
facilitate
a
use.
That's
already
allowed
in
that
zone.
But
to
put
it
under
a
temporary
structure
like
that
in
breaking
those
two
categories
out,
makes
it
much
easier
and
much
less
confusing.
A
S
For
example,
food
sells
of
different
types,
the
the
way
that
it
existed
before
it
made.
It
seem
like
there
were
only
very
particular
types
of
foods
that
could
be
sold,
such
as
snow
cones,
like
I'd
mentioned
before,
or
food
items
that
were
connected
to
a
holiday
season,
such
as
Christmas
or
an
event,
or
something
like
that.
Also
the
ability
to
sell
something.
S
Whatever
it
may
be,
yes,
such
as
flowers,
a
Memorial
Day
and
we're
looking
at
changing
the
snow,
coat
snow,
cone,
shaved,
Hut's
or
shaved
ice
huts
to
to
change
that
to
temporary
food
service,
another
small-scale
temporary
uses,
which
will
bring
all
of
that
together
and
make
it
and
make
it
easier
to
use.
And
then
the
last
point
is
Chris.
S
A
S
A
S
But
what
we're
doing
is
looking
at
breaking
that
out
and
not
having
it
so
closely
aligned.
So,
for
example,
if
you
wanted
to
sell
apple
cider,
just
in
the
fall
for
example,
or
sell
it
around
Halloween
or
something
like
that,
that
would
be
allowed
in
the
past.
It
was
very
difficult
to
do
that
because
it
was
only
specifically
tied
to
Christmas,
for
example.
That
was
something
that
was.
That
was
a
little
bit
difficult
about
the
code
at
that
point.
That.
O
O
Been
really
hard
to
administer
for
the
you
know,
15
plus
years
I've
been
here,
so
this
is
really
to
try
to
clean
it
up
to
try
to
open
some
things
up,
make
it
a
little
bit
more
general,
not
so
not
so
just
pinpointed
to
such
exact
uses,
but
to
say
hey.
If
you
want
to
have
a
little,
you
know
food
sales
thing
and
it
doesn't
matter
if
it's
snow
cone.
But
if
you
want
to
just
have
a
little
you
know
ice
cream,
Shack
or
sell
hot
chocolate.
You
can
do
that.
S
A
S
I
S
I
S
I
O
S
I
I
O
Were
really
limited
on
seasonal
type,
things
too,
where
you
couldn't
even
do
some.
You
know
temporary
food
kind
of
things
in
the
winter
time,
because
it
only
could
happen
during
the
so
yeah.
This
is
just
it
still
puts
that
timeframe
on
it,
because
this
is
a
temporary
use
chapter,
but
you
can
do
it
anytime
of
the
year.
O
I
F
O
O
F
P
O
S
S
The
notice
shall
inform
the
permit
holder
of
the
grounds
for
the
revocation
and
advise
the
permit
holder
that
the
revocation
shall
be
effective,
24
hours
from
the
date
of
the
notice
and
less
before
the
revocation
of
the
notice,
unless
before
the
revocation
date,
the
permit
holder
either
and
then
it
goes
on.
But
the
language
that's
proposed
to
be
changed
would
say:
notice
before
temporary
use
permit
may
be
revoked
written
notice.
The
decision
to
revoke
shall
shall
be
served
upon
the
permit,
holder
or
agent
of
the
permit
holder,
either
personally
or
by
mell.
S
The
notice
shall
inform
the
permit
holder
of
the
grounds
for
the
revocation
and
advise
the
permit,
etc,
etc.
So
it's
simply
a
few
words
in
one
sentence,
but
they
said
that
it
would
be
better
focusing
on
the
word
served
upon
instead
of
given
to
and
to
the
permit
holder
and
they're,
asking
to
add
or
agent
of
the
permit
holder,
either
personally
or
by
mouth.
So.
S
A
Holiday
City
has
an
awesome
food
truck
park
which
I've
had
past
meetings
about
and
understood
that
we
have
multiple
hurdles
in
our
zoning
and
our
ordinance
that
prevent
us
from
having
such
an
awesome
food
truck
park
and
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
this
isn't
one
of
them
that
there
isn't
some
temporary
use
here.
That
would
apply
to
food
trucks,
yeah.
S
This
temporary
use
section
does
not
apply
to
food
trucks
or
food
carts
whatsoever.
Those
mobile
kind
of
businesses
are
taken
care
of
in
other
sections
of
the
code,
that
is
in
section
21.
A
point
36
is
where
you
can
go
to
get
information
about
that.
We
do
have
a
specific
section,
that
is
about
a
mobile
food
court,
that
you
know
it
doesn't
address
any
of
this
I
guess.
If
we
wanted
to
make
tweaks
to
that,
then
we
could
do
that
through
a
separate
text.
Amendment
I
just.
O
Do
recognize
that
we
have
some
issues
with
our
mobile
food
court
ordinance,
it's
it's
pretty
limiting
on
where
it
can
go,
but
again
it's
it
was
it
took
a
long
time
to
write
that
ordinance
symbol.
We
didn't
want
to
get
hung
up
in
trying
to
fix
this
and
open,
but
we
do
excuse
me.
We
do
know
that
you
know.
That
is
something
that's
something.
That's
on
our
list
of
things
that
we
know
we
need
to
change.
H
A
A
O
O
This
is
a
resolution
that
would
eliminate
the
that
you
would
eliminate
charging
monetary
fees
for
electrical
chargers
at
62
stations
for
either
permanently
or
up
to
12
months.
That's
the
transmittal
estimates
that
it
would
cost
about
$25,000
to
waive
the
fees
for
12
months
and,
however,
the
the
administration
also
says
it's
willing
to
do
a
study
to
get
some
empirical
data
on
on
the
cost
of
waiving
the
fees,
the
cost
of
the
city
and
present
a
study
in
the
spring.
K
F
Johnston
can
I
sort
of
why
I
mean
it's
almost
little
to
charging
stations,
not
all
it's
two
areas
essentially,
but
when.
D
Then,
when
we
put
the
second
round
of
charging
stations
in,
we
went
back
and
found
that
something
had
been
lost
in
the
fee
schedule,
because
we
thought
that
it
had
said
we
could
waive
the
fees
but
somewhere
between
in
a
transmittal
or
something
it
didn't
get
in
there.
So
it
required
us
with
that
second
round
of
charging
stations
to
start
charging.
At
that
point,
we
found
people
just
stopped
using
the
charging
stations
and
we're
afraid
they
stopped
commuting
in
their
electric
vehicles.
D
You
know
it's
over
half
of
a
decline,
so
our
goal
is
to
try
and
test
it
out
for
a
while
see
if
we
could
provide
it.
You
know
eliminate
the
charge
incentivize
people
to
use
it,
get
some
data
see
how
much
it
really
cost.
The
twenty
five
thousand
is
an
estimate
based
on
how
much
we
think
it
will
be
used
and
then,
depending
on
your
request,
we
can
come
back
in
three
six
months
and
report
on
specifics.
D
K
D
A
Estimate
to
come
back
to
us
until
the
fall,
perhaps
at
the
earliest,
not
this
spring
I
think
that
would
be
good,
yes,
yep
great,
then
that's
it
folks!
Thank
you
Randy
and
Vicky
Russell.
We
will
look
for
we're
going
to
set
the
public
hearing
date.
Tonight
have
a
public
hearing
on
the
sixth
and
we
could
do
tentative
council
action
on
the
20th
thanks
you
all
right,
northwest
quadrant
we're
15
minutes
behind
I'm.
Sorry,
you
know
we
have
people
in
our
audience.
Who've
been
waiting
for
this
item.
I've
got
Jennifer
Brunel
coming
up
to
the
table.
D
D
L
Reiterate
again,
on
behalf
of
the
administration
and
all
of
the
city
departments,
who
have
had
a
hand
in
this.
Thank
you
again
for
all
the
cooperation
of
the
council,
and
specifically
the
council
staff.
Is
we've
put
this
packet
of
information
together
for
you?
So
this
item
is
a
resolution
this
evening,
for
both
the
City
Council
and
RTA
board
consideration
for
approving
the
development
agreements
with
two
of
the
primary
landowners
out
in
the
northwest
quadrant.
L
So
the
three
categories
within
this
development
agreement
and
as
Jennifer
said,
there's
two
of
them,
so
one
with
each
property
owner
is
essentially
it
vests
them
in
terms
of
the
zoning
rights
within
the
em1
zone
for
development
of
the
northwest
quadrant.
The
second
is:
it
builds
a
relationship
and
an
agreement
to
cooperate
with
the
property
owners
as
the
city
and
the
developers
work
hand-in-hand,
as
well
as
with
the
state
in
terms
of
the
prison
construction
in
terms
of
providing
the
utilities
and
the
infrastructure
is
necessary
on
the
northwest
quadrant.
L
So
this
is
everything
from
the
roads
to
the
sewer
water
as
well
as
storm
drain,
and
then,
finally,
it
starts
putting
in
place
the
funding
mechanisms
that
are
available
to
the
developers
as
part
of
their
agreement
with
the
city,
and
this
takes
into
account
everything
from
the
impact
fees
to
the
tax
increment
reimbursement
to
potentially
pioneering
agreements,
depending
on
what
the
status
is
and
what
type
of
infrastructure
and
utility
we're
looking
at
building.
So
those
are
the
main
parts
within
the
development
agreement.
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
in
terms
of
the
process.
L
Tammy
is
here
as
well
to
answer
any
details
and
where
we're
at
with
some
of
these
and
then,
of
course,
if
you
feel
inclined
Katie,
would
love
to
come
and
speak
to
you
in
terms
of
the
legal
requirements
as
well.
So
I
will
defer
to
you,
madam
chair,
in
terms
of
what
you
would
like
from
us
next
council.
A
A
D
The
intention
of
this
item
that
the
administration
transmitted
budget
amendment
number
3,
and
it
only
includes
funding
for
the
Smith's
ballpark
lights,
which
the
council
has
already
discussed.
We
listed
this
again
because
there
was
some
interest
of
some
council
members
to
add
an
additional
item
to
the
budget
for
local
first,
so
it
was
really
just
to
preserve
that
opportunity
for
the
council
to
discuss
if
there's
a
majority
of
the
council,
that
wants
to
add
that
to
budget
amendment
number
3
before
the
public
hearing
happens
on
I.
Think
the
sixth.
R
So
if
you
could
give
us
a
little
bit
of
opportunity
to
work
with
the
attorney's
office
and
the
administration
to
see,
would
it
make
sense
to
convert
this
into
a
membership
type
situation
or
an
affiliation
rather
than
a
contract
with
specific
outcomes?
I
think
that
might
solve
the
the
confusion
and
problems
that
got
us
to
this
point.
Does
that
make
any
sense
at
all
I.
A
That
we're
asking
them
to
do,
although
the
the
relationship
is
open,
as
local
first
has
clearly
articulated
they're
open
to
working
on
projects
with
us,
or
that
we
have
an
interest
in
it,
really
that
it
wasn't
meant
to
be
bound
to
some
product
like
that,
and
so
we
wanted
to
add
the
funding
back
in
here
to
sustain
that
organization.
The
way
that
we
feel
was
the
intention,
but
that's
here
for
us
to
discuss
as
a
body
Oh
Cindy.
A
It
makes
sense
that,
like
other
business,
supporting
organizations
in
the
city
like
you've,
you
have
mentioned
where
we
decide
to
pay
a
membership,
do
to
support
the
organization
and
support
our
potential
for
collaboration
with
those
organizations.
This
is
another
economic
development,
oriented
business,
supportive
organization
that
we
may
it
may
be
easier
to
look
at
as
a
relationship
and
not
a
product
and.
R
And
you
can
attach
any
kind
of
conditions.
If
you
choose
to
do
this,
you
can
attach
any
kind
of
conditions
that
you
want
or
invite
the
administration
to
recommend
conditions.
So
so
there's
a
great
deal
of
flexibility
there.
It's
it's
just
that
it's
it's
a
small
organization
and
they
are
adding
value
in
enabling
small
businesses
to
to
grow
in
that
type
of
a
thing,
but
they're,
probably
not
the
people
that
you
would
go
to.
If
you
wanted
a.
R
Statistically
relevant
survey
or
analysis
of
something
it's
a
it's
a
smaller
organization.
If
and
that's
the
kind
of
thing
the
administration
was
looking
for,
and
so
they
put
this
out
to
bid
it
hadn't
been
put
out
to
bid
for
quite
a
while,
and
another
organization
was
awarded
the
bid
because
that's
that's
the
business
they
are
in
is
doing
economic
analysis,
so.
F
R
Yes,
and
it
wasn't
specifically
located
for
local
first,
it
was
for
small
business
development
I
think
they
asked
for
some
flexibility
in
in
doing
that
and
for
the
need
that
they
advertised
and
that
that
they
legitimately
had
local
first
was
not
the
best
fit,
and
so
that's
why
they
didn't
give
the
funding
to
local
first
and
did
to
this
other
organization.
As
far
as
I
know,
they
have
no
objection
to
continuing
to
work
with
local
first
and
that
type
of
a
thing
it's
and
we
can.
R
A
A
D
I
think
the
the
goal
was
just
to
get
a
sense
of
from
a
noticing
standpoint.
If
you
wanted
to
include
this
in
the
materials
so
that
it
was
clear
that
this
was
on
the
board
for
consideration
prior
to
the
public
hearing
that'll
be
on
the
sixth,
so
we
won't
maybe
have
all
the
technical
details
of
how
it
will
work
out
before
the
six,
but
that
the
public
hearing
would
have
that
information.
Okay,.
A
C
R
R
R
A
Poll
is
that
clear,
in
support
of
the
staff
continuing
to
investigate
this
possible
financing
for
the
budget
amendment
yeah
we've
got
all
five
of
us
with
Rogers
and
kitchen
absent
great.
Thank
you
and
that
concludes
part
three
item
for
us
and
we
will
be
looking
at
public
hearing
on
the
sixth
tentative
Council
action
on
the
20th.
A
A
L
F
Madam
chair,
maybe
I
could
I
do
have
two
quick
items
to
update
on
follow-up
from
last
week's
discussion,
so
councilmember
Wharton
asked
about
operation,
Rio
Grande's
and
that
weren't,
anticipating
so
I
did
inquire
and
we
do
anticipate.
There
will
be
a
budget
item
for
the
state
funding
for
operation.
I
F
I
Q
I
H
H
L
At
the
time
this
was
done
years
ago,
they
didn't
have
the
funds
to
do
a
complete
exemption,
so
they
they
did
an
exemption
down
to
the
three-year
time
frame.
They're
now
looking
to
to
complete
that
the
challenge
with
that
bill
is
that
it
will
have
about
approximately
an
eighty
million
dollar
fiscal
note
for
the
state
and
that's
always
been
the
impediment.
It
also
has
about
a
twenty
million
dollar
fiscal
impact
for
cities
and
towns,
four
million
of
which
would
be
felt
in
Salt,
Lake
City.
L
The
challenge
we've
got
with
that
bill
is
that,
while
there's
a
significant
fiscal
note
on
both
the
state
side
and
the
local
side,
if
the
state
can
find
the
way
to
come
up
with
the
eighty
million
dollars
to
take
that
hit,
they
won't
think
twice
about
the
hit
to
the
local
government.
And
so
that's
one
piece
among
many.
That
is
in
this
tax
reform
or
tax
related
discussion.
L
We
don't
yet
know
whether,
as
I
said,
whether
those
will
be
individual
bills
or
an
omnibus
bill,
but
they're
still
talking
about
modifications
to
the
the
truth
and
Taxation
process
for
property
tax,
the
manufacturing
sales
tax
exemption
and
and
then
some
kind
of
a,
even
even
even
the
prospect
of
an
inflationary
adjustment
to
property
tax.
All
of
those
may
or
may
not
be
addressed
separately
or
they
may
be
addressed
globally,
but
that
dialogue
is
continuing
just
want
to
let
you
know
that
that's
out
Aaron
we're
continuing
or
the
possibilities
in
watch.
L
Not
attend
that
mean
this
morning.
I've
got
I,
got
a
report
from
others
who
were
there.
How
are
a
number
of
issues
raised
and
it's
a
really
a
question,
a
number
of
key
legislators
raising
issues
and,
and
what
we
don't
know
is
how
many
of
those
will
result
in
specific
pieces
of
legislation
or
whether
they
were
just
cover
the
discussion
on
the
existing
landscape,
but
we're
monitoring
that
process.
L
R
It
is
Thursday
March,
1
and
Friday
March
2
in
Los
Angeles,
and
it's
not
one
of
the
key
conferences
that
the
council
typically
attends,
but
that
doesn't
mean
you
could
not
choose
to
so
I,
don't
sure
if
a
council
member
requested
this
or
if
the
staff
just
noticed
it
and
is
bringing
it
to
your
attention,
so
the
question
is
number
one
is
if
council
members
were
interested,
would
the
council
be
supportive
of
funding
that
from
the
existing
budget
and
number
two?
Are
there
council
members
interested.
R
F
I
K
I'll
I'll
be
honest,
I
mean
my
so
I
went
last
year.
I
didn't
go
the
first
year.
I
was
less
than
impressed
with
my
experience
last
year
and
I
just
didn't
think
that
I
felt
like
it
was
too
big
and
I
thought
that
a
lot
of
the
issues
that
we're
dealing
with
her
unique
enough
or
different
enough
that
I
didn't
really
take
away
anything
that
great
but
but
Aaron
I
know
you
want
the
year
before,
and
you
really
know.
F
The
National
one
is
in
DC
for
a
reason,
that's
supposed
to
be
large
supposed
to
be
see
your
legislators,
those
kind
of
things,
the
the
going
to
local
minutes
like
la,
for
instance.
This
case
is
much
more
interesting
in
some
ways
to
look
at
their
initiatives
because
they
put
a
lot
of
money
towards
us.
Well
for
them,
it's
not
a
lot
of
money,
for
us
would
be
a
ton.
A
The
one
of
the
takeaways
from
the
DC
conference
that
we
were
both
at
last
year
was
for
me
an
interest
in
the
women's
specific
research
they've
done
I
in
Los
Angeles,
and
they
have
some
facilities
for
women
specifically
and
but
I
would
love
it.
If
anybody
who
goes
to
this
conference
can
bring
us
back
any
information
that
might
apply
to
our
coming
facility
for
women,
but
I'm
in
support
of
council
using
funds.
Do
we
want
a
straw
poll
on
this
Cindy
I.
R
R
K
So
this
is
this
is
one
that
I've
been
fortunate
enough
to
go
to
every
year.
The
downtown
Alliance
has
done
a
really
good
job
last
year,
I
think
was
probably
one
of
the
weaker
would
well
the
weaker
one,
but
still
it
was
I
think
there
was
still
some
things
that
were
helpful,
especially
in
terms
of
some
ideas
about
partnering
on
affordable
housing.