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Historic Landmarks Commission Meeting - January 16, 2020
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A
Very
element:
we
also
took
the
context
on
the
south
side
of
the
property,
as
well
as
we
looked
at
exploring
making
certain.
We
could
provide
usable
functional
space
with
this
new
building.
This
middle
doughnut
hole
inevitably
came
out
as
we
stood
on
the
vacant
parking
lot
and
look
to
the
east.
You've
got
these
wonderful
steps
and
terraced
mountains.
As
we
look
to
the
west,
we've
got
wonderful,
stepped
and
and
terrace
buildings.
A
The
design
team
thought
it
would
be
appropriate
that
this
building
also
mimic
some
of
that
same
design,
stepping
terracing
and
so
intentionally
and
very
specifically,
certain
corners
of
the
building
were
taken
out
on
the
South
facade.
In
order
to
accommodate
a
pedestrian
walkway,
we
exceeded
the
side
yard
setback
by
five
feet,
so
we
reduced
this
side
of
the
building
by
five
feet
on
the
north
side
of
the
building.
A
As
we
looked
at
getting
a
drive,
meandering
Drive
into
the
north
side
of
this
building,
it
required
the
removal
of
six
feet
of
the
north
side
of
this
building
and
instead
of
trying
to
allow
the
parking
lot
to
come
in
and
then
push
the
building
back
out
to
the
side
yard
setback.
We
said
we'll
work
with
this
well
deal
we'll
address
this
six
feet
so
that
six
feet
was
removed
on
the
North
facade.
That
left
us
with
this
cube.
A
That's
where
a
lot
of
time
and
effort
and
energy
was
then
spent
with
architectural
Nexus
to
make
certain
that
we
were
addressing
the
standards
of
the
ordinance.
The
wonderful
thing
about
city
staff
is
that
you
didn't
see
the
first
three
attempts
that
we
brought
to
Lex
that
were
denied
the
needed
attention
needed
addressing,
and
that's
really
the
process
that
we
went
through.
A
This
is
a
required
fire
ingress,
egress
hammerhead
turn
around
for
aerial
apparatus
for
the
building
and
as
we
looked
at
the
Mew,
we
thought
the
only
thing
that
will
draw
someone
to
the
middle
of
this
block
is
something
of
interest,
and
so
the
the
intent
and
part
of
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
would
be
the
relocation
of
the
carriage
house
back
into
this
corner,
ultimately
creating
it
into
something
that
is
a
nod
to
the
Masons.
What
was
here,
what
has
been
here?
What
they've
created
I
know
I
apologize.
A
A
lot
of
this
line,
wait
I,
know
on
the
screen,
doesn't
come
through
super
well,
we've
got
some
printed
copies
that
we'll
hand
out,
but
we've
got
per
your
kind
of
request.
Last
time
we
looked
at
the
streetscape
along
600
East,
so
the
Mason,
the
masonic
temple
itself,
the
walker
mccarthy
mansion
adjacent
to
it,
this
property.
This
section-
is
at
the
in
that
first
60
feet.
So
it's
at
the
two-story
volume.
A
So
I
want
to
make
certain
that's
very
clear,
but
you
can
see
the
volume
of
this
building
as
it
relates
to
even
some
of
the
larger
single-family
homes
to
the
south
of
it.
The
this
is
a
meeting
if
you
want
to
hand
these
out.
These
are
these.
This
is
hot
off
the
press.
This
is
it
some
strong
encouragement
suggestion
from
individuals
in
the
community
lex
as
well
again
appreciate
all
that
Lex
has
done.
We
printed
these
because
I
knew
this
line.
Weight
on
this
TV
might
not
come
up.
A
This
might
be
a
better
image
to
click
to,
but
you
have
this
packet
and
meek,
Nick
and
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong.
This
is
standing
on
the
sidewalk,
with
a
camera
held
at
5
foot,
9,
inches
high,
looking
through
a
35
foot
space
between
the
property
owned
by
the
sim
Nonnie
organization
and
the
Walker
McEwen
mansion.
The
reason
the
line
wait
in
the
background
back
here
appears
small
and
low
is
the
facade.
The
North
facade
of
our
building
is
in
excess
of
220
feet
from
where
this
picture
was
taken
from
the
sidewalk
roads.
A
Cars
vehicles,
traveling
in
South
temple
are
obviously
another
20
30
40
feet
into
the
street.
This
lower
picture
is
a
glimpse
looking
through
the
35
feet
between
the
sim
90
office
building
and
the
Masonic
Temple
itself,
and
you
can
see
the
height
of
the
north
east
corner
of
our
building
through
that
35
foot
shot
and
glimpse
we
felt
this
was.
This
was
important.
A
We
had
been
asked
to
do
it
and
so
wanted
to
prepare
that
a
couple
of
elevations
and
renderings
you
can
see
the
the
trees
and
the
heights
along
or
the
trees,
the
height
of
those
trees
along
600
East.
Many
of
those
are
incredible:
they're
phenomenal
they
exceed
even
the
height
of
this
building,
not
just
the
two-story
elements,
but
the
entirety
of
the
height
of
this
building.
A
couple
of
those
renderings
from
different
angles,
aerials
from
different
angles.
A
A
We've
got
brick
facade
this
two-story
two-story
volume
space
and
these
brownstones
and
the
pedestrian
connection
that
they
create
along
this
street
is
absolutely
of
the
most
paramount
importance
to
us.
It
also
creates
setbacks,
20
an
additional
25,
an
additional
30
feet
before
the
building
of
any
height
or
significant
Rises,
and
it
pushes
that
mass
and
volume
to
the
middle
of
the
block
closer
to
the
masonic
temple
itself
that
exceeds
all
buildings
in
this
area
and
when
we
were
before
this
body
before
one
of
the
questions
that
was
asked
was
this
North
facade.
A
This
is
the
North
facade,
and
this
is
after
the
6-foot
additional
setback
that
we
looked
at.
These
numbers
might
be
a
little
harder
to
see.
The
window
reveal
design
is
a
4-inch,
reveal,
you've
got
18
inch
and
and
2
foot
6,
so
28
inch
reveals
with
5-foot
balconies.
This
facade
has
fenestration
articulation.
It
has
push
and
pull
it's,
not
a
long,
sterile
wall,
it's
got
movement.
A
It's
got
motion
we're
looking
at
this
as
four-sided
architecture,
we
presented
the
600
East
facade
to
you
in
our
work
session,
and
one
of
the
questions
was
is:
is
this
stepping
and
pushing
and
pulling
consistent
around
the
building?
And
we
wanted
to
show
you
that
it
is
one
of
the
other
questions
that
this
is
the
southeast
corner
so
again
down
along
600
East,
you
can
see
again
those
2
foot,
4
step
backs.
A
The
5
foot
reveals
up
higher
for
some
of
the
balconies,
the
4
inch
window
reveals
and
that
creation,
one
of
the
things
that
we
had
talked
about
is
this
15
foot
depth
and
you
had
asked
us
to
specifically
kind
of
look
at
that.
We
talked
about
the
stepping
of
this
landscaping,
the
opportunity
to
create
planters
separation
from
the
sidewalk
and
the
building
these
patios,
an
area
where
people
can
congregate.
So
again,
these
these
numbers
might
be
smaller.
A
For
you,
sidewalk
line
is
here
it's
over
6
feet
back
to
the
actual
property
line
itself,
7
feet
from
there
back
to
the
first
phase
of
this
landscape
box.
This
landscape
box
is
3
feet
deep
to
allow
for
grasses
and
low
grow,
ease
and
other
elements,
and
then
a
15-foot
patio
or
setback
from
here
back
to
the
the
start
of
the
two-story
brownstones
and
then
the
two-story
brownstones
themself.
This
element
is
35
feet
deep
before
any
of
the
other
mass
and
height
starts.
A
That's
where
that
60
feet
of
depth
from
the
property
line
is
in
excess
of
60
feet
from
the
sidewalk
itself,
because
the
property
line
starts
further
east
than
the
sidewalk.
One
of
the
other
questions
was
the
trees.
We
know
there
are
significant
trees,
certainly
any
of
the
trees
on
in
the
600
East
right-of-way.
A
A
B
As
we've
already
alluded,
we've
been
working
with
LEC's
extensively
to
create
a
narrative
that
addresses
all
86
design
standards
out
of
the
multifamily
design
and
historic
districts,
and
your
I'm
not
going
to
touch
on
every
one
of
those.
But
you
have
access
to
that.
Narrative,
I'll
just
touch
on
two
or
three
items
that
I
think
are
the
most
important
one
is
the
dark
brick
that
is
a
direct
reference
to
the
historically
country
building
to
the
south.
B
In
the
other,
significant
item
that
we've
been
working
on
is-
and
Dustin's
already
alluded
to
this
in
the
massing,
but
the
transition
between
the
larger
massing
of
the
buildings
on
South
temple
and
the
smaller
residential
single-family
and
multi-family
buildings
to
the
south
on
600
East
and
we're
doing
that
through
by
interrupting
the
dark
break
with
some
areas
of
lighter
break
in
order
to
break
down
the
facade
further
into
masses
that
relate
to
the
buildings
to
the
south.
The
additional
materials,
for
example,
the
cementitious
board.
B
They
were
using
as
a
highlight
that's
similar
to
the
way
that
cast
stone
would
have
been
used
on
a
traditional
brick
building
in
this
district
and
in
this
neighborhood
and
then
the
tripartite
organization
of
the
buildings.
They
typically
have
three
planes,
two
of
which
project
forward
or
hold
back,
and
then
the
third
is
the
entry
and
we're
taking
a
modern
interpretation
of
that
tripartite
organization
into
this
more
contemporary
building.
The
it's
interesting
to
note.
B
There's
other
elements
like
defenestration
patterns,
we've
looked
at
the
proportions
of
the
windows
down
down
the
street
and
they
have
a
two
to
one
ratio:
four
and
then
a
more
square
organization,
and
we've
used
both
of
those
in
our
building,
as
well
as
the
windows
of
the
Masonic
Temple
that
have
1.25
to
2
ratio
and
we've
use
that
in
our
more
vertically
oriented
windows.
I'll
stop
there
just
so
we're
not
getting
into
too
much
detail.
But
if
anybody
has
any
questions,
we're
happy
to
address
them
and.
A
I
would
say
the
same
if
there's
any
questions
we're
happy
to
address
them,
otherwise,
we'll
sit
down.
We
know
there
are
members
of
the
public
here.
We
know
that
there's
been
written
notice,
some
for
some
against.
We
know
there's
been
frustrations
about
the
process.
Some
of
that
we
don't
control.
I,
hope
this
Commission
understands
that
there's
been
an
overwhelming
support
recently
or
an
overwhelming
amount
of
support
for
the
project
that
I
think
you've
seen
in
in
some
of
the
materials
that
have
come
in
recently.
A
D
B
Can
I
can
answer
that?
Yes,
we
have
looked
at
that,
and
the
location
of
this
site
is
actually,
as
Dustin
mentioned,
ten
feet
lower
than
the
mansion
and
with
the
twenty
foot
setback
that
we
have
on
that
zone,
they
were
and
there's
also
a
parking
garage.
That's
between
the
this
site
and
the
mansion.
There
would
not
ever
be
any
light
that
were
any
shadows
that
would
be
cast
on
dimension.
D
C
It's
a
main
thoroughfare
when
we
were
taking
a
look
at
what
we
were
wanting
to
try
and
do
we've
got
an
aging
membership
and
we
knew
that
if
we
developed
seventh
east
as
opposed
to
sixth
now,
our
members
are
walking
through
the
winter,
all
the
way
down
from
the
60s
portion
and
we're
not
staffed
appropriately
to
go
out
and
retrieve
all
of
our
members
when
I
first
joined
the
lodge
our
average
age
was
67
years
old.
Again,
thank
you
for
a
mr.
Brown
in
his
books.
C
It's
now
down
trended
to
about
44
years
old,
but
we
still
do
have
a
pretty
decent
constituency
of
older
members
so
that
that's
really
specific
for
the
reason.
Why
there's
at
this
point
in
time
no
plan
at
all
to
do
anything
on
the
70
side,
I
can't
say
that
at
board,
15
years
from
now
might
change
their
mind
or
anything
along
those
lines.
But
that's
the
reason.
Thank
you
was.
D
A
A
A
This
access
off
of
off
of
600
east
comes
to
a
lower
level
that,
ultimately,
by
the
back
eastern
half
of
this
parking
level,
is
fully
subterranean.
There
is
like
60
parking
stalls
on
this
level.
That
is
the
access
for
that
level.
There
is
an
easement
being
granted
not
only
to
this
building
for
access
for
residents,
but
also
the
fire
department
in
perpetuity
from
South
temple
down
the
west
side
of
the
temple
to
this
hammerhead
tee.
That
will
also
serve
as
a
second
point
of
ingress
and
egress
to
the
second
parking
level.
A
I
think
that
knowing
there's
two
curb
cuts,
the
high
likelihood
and
probability
is
that
it
still
provides
a
means
right
now
until
something
were
to
happen.
15
years
50
years,
don't
know
at
this.
We
certainly
know
that
this
property
always
has
two
points
of
ingress
and
egress
for
transportation
needs.
C
A
So
we
talked
through
this
and
we
talked
through
it
even
with
members
of
staff,
part
of
that
and
and
that
deference
as
you
as
you
mentioned,
these
structures
themselves
are
smaller
two-story
structures
they're,
not
as
large
as
the
structures
to
the
north.
Second
point
that
was
addressed.
The
property
itself
slopes
to
the
south
west,
so
having
more
mass
of
the
southwest,
would
make
it
fill
even
bigger,
even
more
significant
down
in
the
southwest
corner.
A
Third
point
that
we
looked
at
addressed
is
there
this
property
in
particular,
has
a
ten-foot
side,
yard
setback,
our
20-foot
side,
yard
setback
and
then
our
25-foot
two
story
product
it's
75
feet
before
you
get
into
3
&
4
stories
on
our
building
these
buildings
to
the
north.
Have
a
double
loaded,
drive
Isle
of
parking.
That's
60
feet.
They
then
own
some
property
on
the
south
side
of
the
parking
structure.
A
We're
also
granting
an
additional
21
feet
of
setback,
so
we're
in
excess
of
85
90
feet
from
those
structures
themselves,
excluding
their
parking
compared
to
75
feet.
So,
as
we
looked
at
it,
we
were
trying,
with
staff
to
create
kind
of
a
narrower,
a
narrow
window
that
paid
the
same
respects
before
the
building
went
to
3,
&
4
stories
of
height
adjacent
to
those
structures
in
doing
that,
it
also
forced
the
building
to
get
a
little
longer
more
elongated
into
the
block,
but
getting
into
the
middle
of
the
block
was
something
that
we
heard.
A
Multiple
times
was
fine.
We
actually
had
a
couple.
Individuals
suggest
that
we
go
and
propose
a
full
additional
floor
on
the
easternmost
portion
of
this
building
were
50
feet.
Zoning
is
60,
and
so
there
was
common
about
taking
this
easternmost
portion
a
whole
additional
level
higher
than
what
we're
proposing.
C
C
I'm
not
sure
that
I
have
any
other
questions.
Anyone
well
in
that
case,
why
don't
we
open
the
the
open
portion
of
this
public
meeting
and
what
I'd
like
to
do,
since
we
have
quite
a
few
people.
Who'd
like
to
comment
is
all
ask
someone
to
speak
and
then
I'll
do
my
best
to
remember
to
say
who's
next,
so
you
can
get
prepared.
So
why
don't
we
if
I,
could
just
ask
Phil
McCarthy
to
start?
Please.
C
E
F
F
How
expensive
it
is
to
maintain
historic
buildings
and
just
to
make
sure
the
McCune
mansion
was
built
in
1901.
The
building
that
you
mistakenly
referred
to
here
is
called
Walker.
Mccarthy
was
built
by
Matthew
Walker
in
1904,
so
we
can
have
a
lot
of
comments.
We
do
a
couple
of
different
things,
but
I
needed
to
take
exception.
A
couple
of
things:
here's
the
thing
that
came
out
at
April,
2000
19
that
went
to
the
City
Council,
requesting
a
zoning
change,
while
no
specific
physical
development
is
under
consideration.
F
Less
than
nine
months
later
we
are
here
debating
a
project
we
did
hear
from
somebody
also
say:
well,
maybe
we'll
develop
something
on
the
7th
east
side
over
the
next
40
or
50
years.
I
sympathize
with
the
aging
Masonic,
you
know
clientele,
but
that's
not
the
reason
for
the
historic
landmark
Commission
to
destroy
a
truly
historic
area.
There's
plenty
of
room
behind
this
Masonic
Temple
in
a
7th
east
side.
We're
not
going
to
destroy
these
trees,
we're
not
going
to
destroy
the
Stork
nature
of
things.
F
F
F
In
order
to
go
around
the
corner,
to
address
this
and
put
in
here
that
on
6/10
East
South
temple
is
the
Broadway
heckles
building
here
it
is
there
a
tenant
in
a
building.
You
would
have
to
look
very
very
closely
and
really
sort
of
go
out
of
your
way.
Why
would
somebody
mislabeled
and
misrepresent
the
most
historic
property
on
there
was
built
in
1904
23
years
for
the
Masonic
Temple,
the
height
restrictions.
F
You've
been
told
that
will
not
be
higher
than
the
existing
buildings
to
disturb
those
trees.
Matthew
Walker
planted
some
of
those
trees
in
1904.
I
have
planted
some
of
those
I,
don't
remember,
which
is
which,
but
certainly
it's
going
to
disrupt
those
trees
and
it
just
substantially
higher,
as
you
can
see
from
the
own
diagram
the
questions
you
need
to
ask
yourself
if
they
misidentified
this,
they
couldn't
get
this
much
right.
The
second
thing
would
be
the
height,
and
the
third
thing
really
is
the
site.
This
is
a
historic
district.
F
If
there
is
a
need
for
a
Masonic,
Temple,
Apartments
off
selling
theast,
whom
would
they
be
coming
in
front
of
their
own
people?
The
Masonic
Temple
would
be
saying
we
are
the
Masonic
Temple
and
it
might
be
blocking
our
view
or
changing
some
of
those
things.
But
we
were
adamantly
opposed
this
process
to
this
project.
We
were
not
included.
We
have
seen
things
that
have
been
mislabeled
and
misidentified
and
after
a
few
emails
and
calls
I
notice
about
five
minutes
after
6:00.
F
F
Just
take
all
of
the
information
all
the
things
I've
had.
You
can
move
it
right
behind
seventh
east.
There
are
no
issues
there.
There
you're
not
interfering
with
any
neighbors
chuckling,
no
real
historic
district
and,
as
we
have
mentioned
through
an
intermediary,
the
area
on
sixth
East
would
be
maintained.
We
had
talked
to
somebody
from
the
Masons
and
then
we're
told
now
that
he
is
not
the
first.
Do
you
need
green
space?
We
would
continue
to
put
trees
in
there.
We
will
put
the
part
the
walkway
you
can
rollerskate
in
there.
F
You
could
take
your
kids
for
a
walk.
You
could
walk
the
dog
in
there.
So
certainly
we
have
always
said
we
would
support
that,
whatever
they
want
to
do
behind
the
Masonic
Temple
coming
enough
seventh
east.
If
they
need
places
to
park,
they
need
places
to
do
some
things.
While
they
were
constructing
that
we
would
have
green
space,
we
would
have
open
space
there,
I've
been
there
for
21
years.
My
intention
is
to
be
there
for
a
few
more.
C
C
G
Let
me
make
sure
you
can
hear
Jeremy.
Okay,
thank
you
for
the
opportunity,
distinguished
Commission
members,
Jason,
a
mentor
of
mine.
That
eloquently
spoke
of
so
many
things
that
we
do
for
the
community
and
why
the
Masonic
Temple
is
important.
So
I
don't
want
to
elaborate
too
much.
But
as
a
historian,
you
know
by
nature
and
in
my
studies,
I
want
to
talk
about
the
historical
significance
of
that
place,
but
also
you
know
for
future
generations
the
right
to
enjoy
the
history
and
the
leadership
that's
been
cultivated
throughout
the
history
of
that
Masonic
Temple.
G
So
many
significant
things
and
that's
what's
alive
in
that
building,
and
not
only
that
spirits
live
in
that
building,
but
also
in
this
community.
It
is
a
cornerstone
of
this
of
the
South
temple
district.
Ironically
Mason's
you
know,
lay
in
the
northeast
corner
and
that's
the
cornerstone
of
the
North
Eastham
district
of
you
know:
South
temple
and
seventh
east,
and
it's
one
of
the
only
buildings
in
the
city
that
was
built
in
the
1920s
that
was
dedicated
to
the
Egyptian
revival.
G
Movement
of
that
time,
which
was
you
know,
you
know,
was
rampant
throughout
historic
buildings
and
and-
and
it
is
representative
I
think
not
only
of
the
Masonic
culture
but
of
the
diversity
of
world
culture
that
some
day,
you
know
demonstrated
in
the
symbol
in
that
building,
and
you
know
from
gothic
Moorish
traditions
and
so
that's
been
captured.
It's
a
Museum
of
priceless
information,
not
only
the
leaders.
The
archives
are
those
individuals
that
are
hosted
there
on
the
former.
G
You
know
some
of
the
initial
remnants
of
the
salt
lake
library
system,
but
also,
if
we
lost
that
the
land
lease
is
what
I'm
in
support
of
is
because
it
gives
us
a
tool
to
keep
this
going
on
for
another
hundred
years,
I'm
very,
like
let's
wrap
it
up.
Yeah.
Okay,
thank
you,
okay!
Well,
thank
you
for
your
time.
Thank
You.
H
There
is
a
copy
for
each
of
you,
starting
with
Wayne
Mills
I,
don't
know
if
my
voice
will
hold
up
if
it
fails,
you'll
have
to
read
on
your
own
I
want
to
start
with
a
context
for
this
proposal.
This
beleaguered
block,
which
is
in
two
historic
districts
due
east,
is
the
site
of
a
former
Foursquare,
slightly
damaged
in
a
fire
and
then
allowed
to
collapse
through
lack
of
enforcement
and
the
wrong
ownership.
H
The
former
mayor
overturned
your
decision,
which
was
consistent
with
the
ordinance
to
the
south
of
that
and
adaptive
reuse
of
a
building
burned
in
a
fire.
Next
to
that
a
building
called
Annie's
college
with
the
cottage
which
is
really
not
a
nice
cottage,
because
Annie's
cottage
burned
completely
in
a
fire
along
with
the
garages
from
Ansonia
Court,
we
lost
three
contributory
structures.
In
the
early
years
of
the
Central
City
historic
district
west
of
the
Armstrong
Jones
mansion.
Then
there
is
the
graffiti
encrusted
Manso
D
in
Court,
which
stands
empty
during
a
housing
shortage.
H
There
was
a
gas
leak
there
and
I
thought
we
might
lose.
The
entire
block
skip
over
a
few
wonderful
structures,
and
you
encounter
a
recent
enforcement
case,
infill
down
houses,
where
the
developers
saw
no
reason
to
follow
the
plans
you
had
approved.
This
block
is
the
Peyton
Place
of
preservation.
Of
course,
it
is
wonderful
that
there
will
be
reinvestment
on
this
block,
this
beleaguered
block
and
even
more
wonderful,
that
it
will
be
housing
which
does
not
precipitate
the
demolition
of
existing
housing
or
of
any
historic
structures.
H
I
Okay,
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
talk
in
opposition
to
this
project.
I
have
met
with
Jason
and
Justin,
so
the
Masonic
Temple
representative
and
the
developer
and
in
all
I've,
listened
to
a
lot
of
this.
My
issue
is
kind
of
more
to
your
requirements
and
for
new
construction
in
this
historic
district,
and
you
know,
as
I,
just
go
through
each
of
the
criteria.
You
know
these.
This
new
construction
is
meant
to
you,
know
kind
of
harmonize
and
complement
the
historic
district
that
it's
in
it
the
buildings.
I
The
new
construction
should
be
similar
in
scale
size,
but
access
to
light
within
you
know
how
it's
affecting
other
properties,
other
historic
structures,
the
property
itself
upper
floors
that
have
our
mast
and
high
they're
supposed
to
you
know
be
stepped
back.
I
notice
here
on
what
we
all
looked
at.
I
The
developer
took
great
pains
to
step
back
the
south
side
and
the
east
west
side
of
this
building
and,
as
you
can
clearly
see,
masked
everything
on
the
north
and
the
east
corners
and
to
the
point
you
know
if
we
look
at
the
renderings
that
they
have
in
the
packet
here,
the
height
of
the
McCarthy,
the
Walker
McCarthy
mansion.
Once
again,
not
the
Walker
McCune
mansion,
the
top
gable
is
40
feet
high.
I
There
is
a
three-story
parking
structure,
the
top
level
of
that
I
think
some
nannies
and
the
Walker
McCarthy
is
going
to
be
a
sheet
of
ice
during
the
winter
months,
because
it
will
block
out
the
the
sunlight
and
contrary
to
what
they
indicated.
I
think
they
said
it's
going
to
be.
Ten
feet
lower
than
the
mansion
it's
going
to
be
20
feet
higher
ten
feet
lower
than
the
Masonic
Temple
I.
I
Wrap
up.
Thank
you.
All
the
real.
The
real
issue
is
the
massing
of
it
on
the
north
side,
and
then
you
know
why
couldn't
consideration
for
stepping
back
the
building
on
the
north
side?
You
know
why
did
that
get
kind
of
short
shift
in
this
whole,
this
whole
development,
as
I
said
they
took
great
pains
for
the
south
and
the
east
side,
and
you
know
a
couple
other
issues.
The
traffic
flow,
the
cars
that
will
be
going
out
on
to
the
60s
I'd
understand
that
was
the
city
feels
or
lacks,
tells
us
they
don't.
I
The
city
feels
no
traffic
study
needs
to
be
done,
I'm,
not
so
sure
that
with
125
cars
at
a
minimum
most
likely.
If
it's
going
to
be
a
hundred
twenty
five
units
understand,
you
know
they
still
have
to
go
through
the
lot
line.
Adjustments
the
parcel
consolidation,
because
you
can't
even
build
this
building
on
that
lot
as
it
stands
right
now.
I
C
C
J
Think
we
got
cheated
I,
don't
think
it's
right
and
to
sit
here
and
talk
about
four
inch
depth
of
Windows
and
one
foot
balconies
that
wall
that
North
elevation
would
be
a
disaster
and
to
stand
out
in
front
of
the
driveway
of
the
Walker
McCarthy
mansion
at
five
feet
above
the
ground
and
take
a
picture
which,
what
proves
that
you
can't
see
that
building
is
beyond
absurd.
You
know
this
is
an
important
street
and
it's
very
important
I
think
that
the
backdrop
to
these
historic
buildings
be
paid
attention
to
I.
J
K
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
speak,
so
it's
a
really
interesting
to
be
sitting
sitting
in
a
historic
building
with
the
historic
Commission
talking
about
two
historic
groups
in
the
preservation
of
which
so
one
is
encroaching
upon
the
other.
It
just
seems
so
strange
to
me
that
said,
because
I
am
before
the
historic
Commission
I
would
like
to
speak
about
the
height
of
the
north
side
of
the
building
as
well.
It
is
very
much
a
space.
The
South
temple
is
a
Grand.
Boulevard
is
one
of
the
last.
K
It
is
one
of
the
few
areas
to
come
to
and
I
agree.
The
photo
doesn't
do
justice
to
the
situation
that
is
actually
going
to
transpire
with
the
height
of
this
building.
That's
my
chief
argument
at
the
moment
is
the
height
of
this
building,
the
straight
sheer
north
wall
massing.
There
will
be
basically
a
sore
wound
for
a
long
time
if,
if
forever
it
totally
ruins
the
view
and
I
know
views.
K
However,
when
you
go
walk
through
that
space,
you
realize
the
impact
is
much
greater
than
the
pictures
will
show
the
angles
tilted
on
the
camera
and
the
diagrams
are
helpful,
but
it's
also
shocking
and
I
finally
want
to
say
I
work
at
the
McCune
mansion.
It
is
very
important
to
me
to
help
facilitate
historic
values.
Moving
forward,
I
have
no
issue
with
building
and
growing
our
state
at
all.
What
I
have
issue
with
is
the
short
term
gain
for
a
situation
that
it's
just
I,
think
ruining
the
relationship
and
the
interface
of
that
area.
K
L
L
My
name's
Shawn
Fletcher
Michael
Shawn,
Fletcher
I,
am
the
general
manager
of
the
McHugh
mansion
here
in
Salt,
Lake
City
I
was
gonna.
Also
talk
about
the
heights
of
this
building,
but
I
think
that's
getting
beat
to
death.
Already
it's
it's
going
to
be
sure.
It's
gonna
be
the
worst
thing.
You've
ever
seen.
The
mccune
mansion
I
can
say
this
from
personal
experience.
The
McHugh
mansion
has
a
building
built
right.
L
Next
to
it,
it's
called
the
panorama
apartments,
it's
a
seven
story
building
and
it
when
you
look
out
to
the
east
of
that
of
the
McHugh
mansion,
and
you
see
this
building
it
is,
it
is
devastating.
It
should
never
have
been
built
next
to
something
as
historic
as
the
McHugh
match.
It's
one
of
the
finest
buildings
in
Salt
Lake
City.
We
go
back
to
the
Walker
mansion
and
it's
these
owners
that
buy
these
buildings
and
do
it
they're,
not
the
money.
Is
it
doesn't
grow
on
trees?
L
These
guys
do
this
for
for
the
love
of
the
building.
They
do
this
for
our
heritage,
to
preserve
our
history
and
when
you
guys
allow
things
like
this
to
be
built
that
impede
the
people
that
have
to
work
in
these
buildings,
like
myself,
the
macarthy's
we
spend
more
time
in
these
buildings
than
we
do
in
our
own
homes.
If
somebody
came
to
you
and
told
you
I,
don't
guess
what
somebody's
gonna
build
a
five-story
building
right
on
your
backyard
property
line?
What
would
you
guys
think
this
is
how
these
guys
feel
this?
L
Is
this
they
spend
more
time
in
these
buildings
than
then
they
do
it
their
own
homes,
and
we
we
have
a
obligation
to
future
heritage
to
future
generations
to
protect
these
most
precious
buildings.
This
is
one
of
the
last
ones
on
that
Street
there's,
not
very
many
of
them
left
it.
It's
your
job.
To
save
these.
E
L
Questions
I
invite
any
one
of
you
to
come
up
to
the
McCune
mansion
and
see
see
the
house,
I
would
venture
to
say
the
McCarthy's
would
invite
you
to
come
up
to
the
Walker
mansion
and
walk
through
and
see
for
yourselves
what
what
this
building
will
do
to
to
their
building.
It's
it's
well,
it
will
not
be
a
good
thing.
Thank.
C
E
Carlson
I'm
a
big
fan
of
history
here
in
Utah,
the
historic
building
I
agree
with
a
lot
of
what's
been
said
here.
As
far
as
preserving
South
temple,
we
do
need
to
grow.
We
need
you
to
have
you
know
new
buildings,
they're
ours,
infrastructure,
I,
understand
where
the
Masonic
Temple
is
coming
from,
that
they
need
a
secure
future
for
themselves.
E
J
So
I
guess
my
point
is
I,
don't
I
don't
understand!
It
seems
hypocritical
that
you
guys
would
protect
my
neighbors
in
a
rental
area
and
not
protect
these
amazing
historical
homes
that
people
have
dumped
probably
way
more
money
than
what
they're
ever
going
to
be
worth
into.
Just
for
the
sake
of
preserving
history.
That's
it.
C
Thank
you,
Ken
I'll,
just
read
for
sake
of
education
and
enlightenment
purposes.
Let's
say
the
opposition
is
25
to
1
or
100
to
1
in
opposition
versus
support.
I.
Ask
you
the
Commission
specifically.
What
does
it
take
for
the
community
to
have
a
voice
that
carries
the
weight
in
power
as
the
developer?
What
would
it
take
I've
seen
the
plans.
The
massive
structure
looks
like
a
sore
thumb.
I,
look
forward
to
your
response.
C
You,
okay
with
me
continuing
to
read
at
appropriate
I
got
Sandra
McCarthy
says:
if
there
have
to
be
Masonic
apartments,
they
should
be
behind
the
masonic
temple
since
it's
their
big
idea,
Patrick
Egbert
I'm,
concerned
about
traffic
and
the
added
traffic
exiting
the
proposed
project
from
600
East
across
South
temple.
600
East
is
a
one
lane
road
with
a
traffic
barrier.
This
will
backup
dramatically
and
cause
issues
between
sixth
East
and
South
temple.
People
will
try
to
turn
left
across
South
temple
and
that
raises
safety
concerns.
C
I
think
the
project
would
be
better
to
exit
on
70s
because
it
is
a
right-hand
turn
onto
a
much
larger
road
designed
and
built
for
more
traffic
Molly
Spain.
Please
do
not
let
another
high-rise
ruin
the
character
of
historic
South
temple
and
then
just
two
more
sets
Spain.
Please
do
not
the
historical
buildings
on
South
temple,
with
high-rise
buildings
and
Geary
Evershed
I.
Think
a
traffic
study
is
needed
lot:
consolidation,
general
appearance
in
keeping
of
historic
nature
of
the
area.
C
M
Mcr
Betty
and
I'd
like
to
speak
in
favor
of
the
project.
There's
been
the
idea
brought
up
over
and
over
that
South
temple
is
being
destroyed.
No
buildings
are
being
taken
down,
no
buildings
are
being
affected
as
far
as
the
structure
goes
and
as
far
as
view
goes,
that's
that's
it's
a
faulty
premise
that
it's
damaging
the
historical
nature
of
the
buildings
all
across
the
valley.
M
Buildings
have
been
put
up
over
the
last
50
years
that
have
destructed
the
view
of
somebody
who
had
a
distort
building
at
some
point
right.
If
we
continue
to
block
buildings
being
put
up
that
aren't
damaging
any
historic
building.
That's
in
at
present
in
that
place,
we're
going
to
halt
the
the
the
progress
of
our
community
I
mean
we
all
know
that
housing
is
an
issue.
M
It
doesn't
detract
from
it
or
destroy
it,
and
so
this
this
belief
that
that
view
is
all-mighty
compared
to
everything
else
is,
is
ridiculous,
and
so
at
some
point
we
have
to
take
into
consideration
the
preservation
of
the
historic
district.
In
other
terms
than
view,
the
the
economic
factor
that
this
will
bring
in
will
also
help
preserve
the
historic
district,
because
the
people
that
will
be
there
and
will
help
revitalize
the
area
and
bring
in
perhaps
other
people
to
preserve
other
parts
and
make
them
higher
area
bringing
higher
income
people.
As
well
so
thank
you.
C
N
N
My
name
is
Patrick:
Egbert
I
represent
the
coming
family,
they
owned
the
Keith
Brown
mansion
and
the
block
directly
west
of
the
governor's
mansion
I
might
I
want
to
voice
my
opposition
and
really
focus
on
two
areas.
The
first
area
is
the
traffic
study.
I,
don't
know
if
the
if
the
city
considered
that
the
two
large
projects
within
a
block
of
here
that
are
under
construction
right
now,
that
will
also
add
significant
traffic
to
South
temple.
N
We
sit
on
the
corner
between
F
Street
and
G
Street
and
South
temple
and
there's
multiple
accidents
that
we
witness
from
our
building
every
year
because
of
because
of
traffic
and
reiterating
the
point
of
exiting
from
six
from
sixth
East
instead
of
seventh
seventh
East
is
built
for
large
traffic.
I
also
would
also
want
to
bring
up
the
point
of
compromise
from
the
developer
and
the
the
Masonic
Temple
organization.
They've
done
a
lot
of
things
to
try
to
accommodate
that.
N
The
only
the
only
reason
they
had
to
not
put
it
behind
their
own
building
was
that
their
people
would
have
to
walk
through
the
parking
lot.
A
little
bit
longer.
I
think
that
in
itself,
if
the
building
is
right
behind,
there
solves
most
of
the
issues
that
are
discussed
tonight
and
that
should
be
highly
considered
from
their
standpoint.
N
C
O
O
Somebody
brought
a
couch
out
and
was
it
was
out
in
the
alley
and
it
was
coming
from
the
apartments
now.
The
reason
I
can
comment
on
this
is
because
the
one
place
that
people
were
accessing
other
than
to
just
go
to
the
end
of
their
driveways
was
the
apartments
which
would
be
to
the
right.
If
you
go
straight
across
and
you
go
to
the
right,
there's
the
apartments
and
the
apart
are
not
yet
well
I,
don't
know,
we
call
them
apartments,
I
guess,
but
there
they're,
like
three
units
there
and
I.
O
O
Apartment
building
but
I
guess
the
issue
is
this
is
the
fact
that
in
that,
in
that
area,
I
have
I
have
some
personal
reason
in
in
doing
that
in
in
opposing
it
one
is
my
house
sits
next
to
the
alley,
so
I'm
actually
more
intimate
which
goes
on
in
that
alley,
and
you'll
hear
yelling
and
fighting
and
all
kinds
of
stuff
going
on
there
and
that's
not
to
say
there
aren't
good
people,
people
go
into
those
units
and
they
you
know.
Some
of
them
are
nice
people,
but
you
get
anybody,
that's
bad.
O
C
O
The
other
thing
is,
like
my
neighbor
says:
well,
you
know
we've
never
had
rats
here
before
and
this
as
well
as
that
those
dumpsters
the
from
that
from
the
apartments.
Well,
you
know
if
you
build
another
development
that
goes
access
from
the
back.
You've
got
another
situation,
you
know
for
garbage
and
other
stuff.
That's
going
on.
I,
don't
know
how
the
the
garbage
is
going
to
be
maintained
to
that
area,
but
it's
just
if
there's
anything
that
would
create
a
ghetto.
O
A
A
As
of
about
two
o'clock,
the
last
I
saw
I
know
there's
emails
and
and
massive
letters
in
opposition.
You
have
a
packet
that
has
an
overwhelming
amount
of
written
letters
in
support
of
this
project.
Contrary
to
what
anyone
might
believe,
I
can
tell
you
that
great
deference
was
taken
as
we
looked
at
this
building.
It
wasn't
to
give
the
pinkie
finger
or
any
other
finger
to
the
property
owners
to
the
north
I
think
there
are
multiple
things
that
allude
to
that.
A
We
we
could
have
brought
the
building
back
the
six
feet
that
just
to
accommodate
the
drive
and
then
brought
the
building
back
to
the
set
back
I
think
we
could
have
gone
with
less
articulation.
I
want
to
correct
what
was
said.
The
window
reveals
are
a
four-inch
articulation
at
the
window,
but
there
are
also
two
and
a
half
and
five-foot
fenestration
articulation
changes
on
that
North
facade.
It's
not
a
solid
plane.
I
was
corrected
by
my.
A
Legal
counsel
and
being
reminded
part
of
the
reason
we
did
not
get
an
access
out
to
seventh
east
is
because
the
zone
is
a
different
zone
and
a
access
through
one
zone
cannot
go
to
a
different
zone.
That
was
something
that
I
didn't
know
that
we
learned
in
our
DRT
with
the
city
and
they
call
it
the
shopping
center
effect.
They
don't
want
someone
in
a
shopping
center,
buying
a
couple
of
homes,
creating
an
access
into
that
shopping
center
through
a
residential
zone
or
something
else
to
a
different
zone.
A
Now,
to
now
to
the
standards
again
or
the
standards
and
some
of
the
deference
stepping
the
entirety
of
the
West
facade
back
that
35
feet
at
a
two-story
level
is
part
of
the
deference
that
was
paid
to
the
Walker
McCarthy
mansion
did
I
call
it
the
wrong
name.
Yes,
I
hope.
You
also
noticed
other
people
who
spoke
on
their
behalf,
called
it
the
wrong
name.
Did
we
write
the
the
Broadway
at
Eccles?
We
did.
A
We
looked
at
a
Google
map,
it's
not
because
I
profess
to
be
a
massive
historian,
I
apologize
for
that,
but
great
deference
was
paid
to
all
adjacent
properties
in
in
creating
a
developable
site
that
was
equal
parts
separated
from
historic
structures,
the
our
response
to
the
standard.
What
you
have
and
I
don't
know
who
in
the
audience
may
or
may
not
have
read
all
of
it.
It's
85
pages.
We
responded
to
every
standard.
That's
required
for
this
light
is
not
a
standard
view,
is
not
a
standard.
A
The
reason
that
the
eastern
half
of
the
parking
lot
wasn't
looked
at
for
development,
is
it
as
a
totally
different
underlying
zone,
its
institutional,
the
western
half
of
this
parking
lot.
And
if
you
go
back
to
the
zoning
maps,
more
than
half
of
it
was
already
zoned
ro
changing
every
all
of
the
frontage
along
600
East,
with
the
exception
of
a
drive,
aisle
was
already
zoned
ro.
A
The
extension
of
the
ro
rezone,
squared
that
off
a
la
consolidation
application
is
in
with
the
city,
consolidating
the
Lots
making
this
a
single
parcel
for
development
that
fits
these
standards,
but
the
ro
zone
already
existed.
It
existed
to
the
60
feet
of
height,
already
we're
conceding
40
feet
of
height
in
the
front
massive
portion
of
this
building,
a
great
deal
of
which
is
seen
from
or
seen
over
from,
the
Walker
McCarthy
mansion.
We're
not
adding
a
story
to
further
impact.
A
The
sim
nany
office
building
great
deference,
was
taken,
as
we
looked
at
all
four
sides
of
this
building.
Contrary
to
what
anyone
might
believe,
there's
any
questions
from
the
Commission
I'm
happy
to
answer
them.
Otherwise,
we
responded
to
the
standards.
We
have
a
staff
report,
that's
90
something
pages,
long
with
a
recommendation
for
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
new
construction,
and
we
would
respectfully
request
that
you
approve
this
matter.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
D
C
Sure
I'm,
sorry
about
that,
what
Victoria
asked
whether
our
consideration
was
limited
to
the
application
of
the
design
standards
and
guidelines
under
the
historic
preservation.
Ordinance
of
my
answer
was
yes
that
is
correct
and
there
have
been
things
that
have
been
raised
here
tonight
that
are
just
well
beyond
our
purview
and
those
include
traffic
view
access
to
light.
Those
are
just
not
relevant
aspects
of
the
historic
preservation
standards,
standards.
J
The
only
comment
I
have
listening
to
all
this
and
some
of
these
people
know-
and
maybe
some
in
the
audience
I'm
a
avid
Avenue,
South
temple
person
from
way
way
back
and
I
feel
bad
because
everybody
doesn't
think
North.
Face
of
this
building
looks
good
and
I
may
be
one
of
them,
but
we
had
somebody
ask
question
that
was
read
about
how
many
people
have
to
speak
out
against
something
like
this
to
have
the
public
carried
the
day
and
I.
Don't
know
the
answer
to
that,
but
I
think
the
answer
might
resemble.
J
Thousands
may
speak
out
against
it,
but
they
can't
change
the
legal
basis
and
things
of
that
that
we
are
constrained
by
to
have
to
give
these
gentlemen
who
have
their
money
and
their
plans
and
their
future
and
invested
in
this
thing
and
have
responsibilities
to
the
people.
We
have
to
allow
them
to
do
what
they
have
the
right
to
do
as
a
landowner,
and
unfortunately,
beauty
is
in
the
eye
of
the
beholder.
J
But
it
isn't,
as
we've
learned,
it
isn't
a
standard
that
they
necessarily
nor
thousands
of
us
who
disagree
with
them
have
control
where
they
they
have
the
right
in
in
a
lot
of
times.
If
they
conform
to
the
specifications
and
the
standards
and
the
city
approves,
it
then
I
think
we're
somewhat
tied,
no
matter
how
many
people
don't
like
it.
C
G
E
One
comment
was
made
that
a
access
to
light
was
not
necessarily
something
to
consider.
I
do
want
to
just
point
out
that
there
is
a
design
objective.
It's
not
that
the
way
that
these
work
is
that
there's
the
the
zoning
ordinance
standards
for
review,
which
is
what
you
are
charged
with
reviewing
and
making
a
determination
of
whether
or
not
it
meets
those
standards.
We
also
have
what
are
called
design
objectives.
E
Those
are
things
that
kind
of
help
in
deciding
these
things,
but
they're
all
kind
of
made,
with
a
should,
because
in
some
aspects
that
it
may
or
may
not
work,
but
I
do
want
to
just
point
out
just
because
some
statements
were
made
that
that's
the
access
to
light,
isn't
something
that's
considered
that
we
there
is
a
design
objective
that
says,
new
multi-family
building
should
be
should
be
designed
to
respect
access
to
light
and
the
privacy
of
adjacent
buildings.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
that's
on
the
record
and
considered
thank.
D
D
E
C
Well,
I
had
one
just
procedural
question,
which
is:
we've
had
either
one
or
two
work
sessions
on
this
project.
Right.
Do,
though,
are
those
noticed
out
the
same
way
that
to
the
neighbors,
in
the
same
way
that
public
meetings
are
they
are
well
to
me
it
it's
unfortunate
that
we've
landed
where
we
have.
There
have
been
some
opportunities
to
really
engage
long
before
we
got
to
this,
it
seems
like
which
probably
it
seems
like
have
been
missed.
So
that's
unfortunate.
D
Say
something
so
I
would
just
like
to
echo
what
Stan
you
know
discussed
and
you
couldn't
have
said
that
any
better,
but
at
the
same
time,
I'm
also
wondering
if
developers
you're
gonna
have
to
have
a
relationship
with
the
Jason
properties
moving
forward.
You
have
to
have
a
plan
in
place
because
this
there's
a
lot
of
tension
and
it's
not
going
to
go
away.
So
that's
something
that
you
will
have
to
work
somehow
to
address,
because
this
relationship
is
going
to
be
a
long-term
relationship
and
I'd
hate
to
see
the
neighbors
upset.
D
C
C
D
I
will
go
ahead
and
motion
hey
based
on
an
analysis
and
findings
in
the
staff
report,
but
the
standards
are
for
approval
of
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
involving
new
construction
in
a
local
historic
district.
Have
them
substantially
met.
Testimony
and
proposed
proposal
presented
I
moved
that
the
Commission
approved
the
request
for
new
construction
located
at
approximately
33
South
600
East.