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From YouTube: Historic Landmarks Commission Meeting - 01/16/2020
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Historic Landmarks Commission Meeting - 01/16/2020
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https://www.slc.gov/boards/historic-landmark-commission-agendas-minutes/
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A
B
C
C
A
A
F
F
If
anybody
has
driven
down
South
temple
or
around
that
site,
they've
seen
possibly
some
monument
type
signs
that
are
digital.
We
have
had
a
processing
issue
with
those
signs.
We've
had
a
lot
of
community
complaints
and
and
so
we're
we're
looking
into
that
issue.
Now
we're
working
with
a
community,
the
city
and
the
Community
Council
are
going
to
meet
with
the
hospital
to
try
to
come
up
with
a
solution
to
that
issue.
F
So
we'll
let
you
know
what
that
solution
is
just
a
little
bit
of
back
on
the
Salomon
Regional
Medical
Center
is
a
landmark
site
and
the
northwest
corner
is
also
in
the
South
temple
historic
district.
So,
typically
those
those
types
of
you
know
signs
improvements,
anything
like
that
as
either
comes
to
the
Commission
or
is
reviewed
administrative
Lee,
but
there,
but
there
was
a
appears
to
be
a
process
error
in
that.
So
we'll
we'll
keep
you
informed
on
what
we
do
with
that
that
process
I
mean
now.
F
As
far
as
the
on
the
directors
report,
we
do
have
a
extension
of
request
for
an
extension
of
time
for
new
construction
at
approximately
563
East
600
South.
It's
a
request
by
Kristen
Clifford,
representing
the
property
owner
for
an
extension
on
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
new
construction
of
a
mixed-use
building.
F
The
building
would
have
ground
floor
commercial,
one
ground
floor
residential
unit,
two
upper
storeys
Canadian,
three
resident
residential
units.
The
the
proposal
includes
demolition
of
existing
commercial
building
on
the
subject,
properties
non
contributing
to
the
historic
district
and
a
historically
contributing
duplex
on
the
site
is
being
retained
as
part
of
the
development.
The
Commission
originally
granted
approval
on
this
project,
December
7th,
2018
and
then
also
granted
a
one-year
time
extension
January
3rd
2019.
The
applicant
is
asking
for
another
extension
of
time.
F
They've
been
working
to
resolve
issues
with
the
fire
department
in
the
design
of
the
project
and
in
order
to,
as
well
as
with
Rocky
Mountain
Power
on
some
utility
issues.
In
order
to
try
to
overcome
those
are
asking
for
another
additional
year,
the
project
planner
that
worked
on
the
project
is
here.
If
you
have
any
questions
again,
is
it's
just
an
extension
of
time?
It's
not
an
approval
of
the
project
believe
the
applicant
may
be
here
to.
If
you
have
any
questions.
A
E
A
G
My
name
is
Cindy
Cromer
and
I
want
to
comment
on
an
item
that
he
is
on
the
agenda,
but
not
scheduled
for
hearing
and
that's
the
one
you
just
granted.
An
extension
on
I
am
seeing
great
number
of
requests
for
extensions
on
the
Landmarks
agenda
and
also
on
the
Planning
Commission
agenda.
They
tend
to
be
related
to
issues
with
loans,
the
fire
marshal
and
also
now
with
Rocky
Mountain
Power.
In
previous
days,
an
issue
with
Rocky
Mountain
Power
might
be
addressed
by
the
amazing
staff
in
Community
and
Economic
Development
intervening
I.
G
Think
the
city
needs
to
resolve
some
of
these
issues
with
the
fire
marshal,
especially
because
that's
a
city
department
and
possibly
with
Rocky
Mountain
Power.
The
issues
regarding
loans
can't
be
addressed
by
the
city
unless
the
city
has
loan
funds
available,
but
these
projects
are
largely
smaller
projects.
That's
interesting,
largely
smaller
projects.
Anyway,
they
tend
to
be
smaller
projects
and
they're
getting
held
up,
and
this
one
has
been
held
up
for
an
exceptionally
long
time
and
it
has
neighborhood
support.
G
A
C
Chair
for
today,
before
we
begin,
I
need
to
disclose
I,
don't
feel
I
need
to
recuse
myself,
but
I
know
one
of
the
architects
who
will
be
presenting
this
evening.
His
spouse
works
for
me
and
we've
had
dinner
together.
There
is
no
material
benefit
coming
to
me
or
anyone
in
my
family
I
believe
I
can
remain
impartial,
but
because
of
the
nature
of
this
and
how
many
emails
we've
had
I
wanted
to
close
it
early
and
defer
to
my
fellow
commissioners.
C
E
Speak
with
Victoria
earlier
this
evening
about
this,
the
city
ordinance
is
concerned
about
material
benefit
to
the
commissioner
or
their
immediate
family
members
as
a
result
of
participating
in
a
particular
matter
and
she's
indicated
that
that's
not
something
that
she
will
benefit
from
materially
I
also
have
the
concern
when
it
comes
to
these
kinds
of
issues.
As
far
as
due
process
goes,
if
somebody
because
of
a
relationship
they
have,
they
don't
believe
that
that
they
can
remain
impartial
or
you
know
if
it's
a
subject
matter
or
whatever
and
I
have
no
concerns.
H
Evening
mr.
chair
members
of
the
Commission,
thank
you
I'm
gonna,
be
brief
in
my
presentation
tonight
and
turn
the
majority
of
the
time
over
to
the
applicant
for
presentation,
but
please
feel
free
to
ask
questions
of
me
at
any
time.
As
you
are
aware
and
have
previously
seen,
this
is
a
request
from
DB
urban
communities
representing
the
property
owner,
the
Masonic
Temple
Association
they're,
requesting
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
new
construction
for
a
multi-family
development
of
approximately
125
units
located
at
approximately
33
South,
600
East
and
the
South
Temple
and
central
city
historic
districts.
H
H
This
is
a
rendering
of
the
proposal.
You've
seen
this
before
at
the
work
session
that
was
held
in
December
in
terms
of
background
I
that
work
session,
the
U,
the
H,
the
historic
landmark
Commission,
requested
that
the
app
go
ahead,
provide
additional
information,
some
clarity
as
follows.
There
are
a
couple
points
you
requested
more
detailed
information
regarding
the
600,
East,
Building
facade
and
the
interaction
from
the
sidewalk
pedestrian
point
of
view,
as
well
as
a
streetscape
along
60s
to
show
how
the
building
relates
to
the
neighboring
properties.
H
H
I'd
want
to
say
that,
after
the
preparation
and
distribution
of
the
staff
report,
last
Friday
the
Planning
Division
started
to
receive
a
lot
of
written
comment.
We
forded
that
on
to
you,
we've
received
comments,
both
positive
and
negative
and
I
wanted
to
respond
to
a
couple
of
comments
received.
These
comments
have
to
do
with
process
and
we
take
process
very
seriously.
H
The
proposed
Masonic
Temple
apartment
project
is
new
construction
in
a
historic
district.
As
you
are
aware,
and
as
such,
this
is
not
the
type
of
development
that
requires
recognized
community
organization
notification
and
that
recognize
community
organization
ie
the
community
councils.
They
are
part
of
that
and
that
is
per
the
Salt
Lake
City
Code.
There
are
certain
types
of
projects
that
do
require
notification
of
those
recognized
community
organizations.
However,
new
construction
in
a
historic
district
is
not
one
of
them.
H
In
fact,
the
only
one
that
you
would
that
that
you
would
be
involved
with
that
would
require
that
type
of
notification
would
be
demolition
in
a
historic
district.
But
having
said
that,
as
a
courtesy,
I
personally
notified
the
three
community
councils
within
proximity
of
the
proposed
project,
I
also
notified
them
in
writing
of
the
open
house
that
was
held
in
November
and,
in
addition,
as
a
courtesy-
and
this
is
not
a
code
requirement,
the
applicant
agreed
to
hold
that
open
house
to
solicit
public
comment
willing
to
meet
with
the
public
and
take
comment.
H
Early
notification
of
the
pending
land-use
project.
Notification
of
the
open
house.
Notification
of
tonight's
public
hearing
was
mailed
to
all
property
owners
and
residents
within
300
feet
of
the
property
project,
property
boundaries.
That's
per
code,
I.
Personally,
posted
meeting
notification
signs
on
the
property,
that's
required
per
code.
H
The
agenda
for
tonight's
meeting
was
posted
on
the
city
and
state
websites
and
also
emailed
to
those
on
the
city's
listserv.
To
summarize,
public
notification
of
this
project
meets
the
requirements
of
the
Salt
Lake
City
Code,
and
the
second
clarification
I
wanted
to
make
was
in
response
to
comments
receive
regarding
a
traffic
study.
H
H
Certainly,
the
proposed
development
will
increase
traffic
in
the
area,
however,
not
to
the
extent
that
traffic
mitigation
measurements
are
warranted
or
required,
and
that
said
at
this
time,
as
outlined
in
the
analysis
and
findings
and
the
staff
report
is
planning
staffs
opinion
that
the
proposed
new
construction
request
substantially
meets
the
applicable
standards
for
approval
and
the
associated
multifamily
design
guidelines
and
therefore
recommends
that
the
historic
and
landmark
Commission
approved
the
request
for
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
the
proposed
new
construction.
And
if
you
have
any
questions,
I'd
be
happy
to
entertain
those.
A
A
A
I
J
You
can
you
hear
me:
okay,
wonderful!
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
time.
Esteemed
ladies
and
gentlemen
of
the
Historic
Landmarks
Commission
I,
sincerely
appreciate
you
hearing
hearing
us
I
also
sincerely
appreciate
both
the
people
who
are
positive
on
this
concept,
as
well
as
the
ones
who
are
not
positive.
On
this
concept,
I
see
you
and
I
respect
you
and
I
hear
your
concerns.
May
I
share
a
small
story
with
you.
J
I
promise
it's
not
100
years
worth
of
his
story,
but
I
will
also
divulge
one
of
the
secrets
of
Freemasonry
when
I
was
a
young
man.
I
I
was
always
very
charitable
in
nature,
always
wanted
to
try
and
help
the
community
and
I
thought
as
I
started
getting
older.
What
can
I
do
to
become
part
of
something
bigger
than
myself?
I
was
studying
secret
societies
and
no
I'm
not
alluding
to
the
fact
that
it's
not
a
fact.
J
We
are
not
a
secret
society,
but
when
I
found
out
a
little
bit
more
about
what
Freemasonry
was
I
actually
found
out,
mainly
their
biggest
secret
was
charity
and
they
never
pat
themselves
on
the
back
for
what
they're
doing
in
the
community.
The
reason
why
I
share
some
of
that
stuff
is
because
I
then
decided
a
petition,
a
Masonic
Lodge
fifteen
point
five
years
ago
approximately
and
got
involved
in,
and
we
had
this
beautiful
building
downtown
and
and
they
thought
wow.
J
You
know,
we've
got
I,
think
it's
about
85,000
square
feet
to
be
exact
and
and
I
thought
wow.
This
is
a
real
blessing
that
we've
got
something
so
phenomenal
well
within
our
degrees.
One
of
the
things
we
talked
about
is
inheriting
the
benefits
and
the
burdens
of
the
fraternity
and
I
will
be
here
to
admit
that
one
of
the
burdens
are
these
magnificent
buildings
that
we've
built
all
around
the
world
in
this
country,
specifically
being
involved
in
Freemasonry
I
was
able
to
become
a
Shriner,
and
some
of
you
may
have
heard
of
Shriners
Hospital.
J
Those
are
our
Masonic
founded
hospitals
within
our
building.
We
also
have
what
is
called
right
care
of
Utah,
where
we
helps
children
with
speech,
impediments,
learning,
disabilities,
dyslexia
and
no
cost
of
the
parents.
We
have
a
professional
staff
of
speech
therapists
that
we
do
within
that
building,
so
I
want
to
first
explain
sort
of
the
process
of
well.
First
of
all,
who
are
we
I
mean?
What
are
we
actually
doing
here?
J
That
Masonic
Temple
house
is
five
lodges:
the
Scottish
Rite,
the
York
Rite,
the
Shriners,
the
ladies
of
the
Nile,
the
eastern
star,
the
jobs
daughters,
which
is
young
women's
organization
and
the
DeMolay,
which
is
young
men's
organization.
We
teach
these
young
people
that
they're
all
Masonic
Lee
sponsored
on
on
how
to
become
adults
and
how
to
public
speak
and
how
to
become
involved
in
the
community
and
so
forth.
J
J
I'm,
not
I'm,
not
a
paid
person
on
the
board.
Within
a
few
years,
it
was
I
was
elected
to
become
president
of
the
board,
and
that
is
definitely
a
blessing
and
a
curse.
To
say
the
least.
The
blessing
is
that
I'm
thankful
that
I
can
help
lead
the
charge
on
management
of
this
magnificent
building
and
I've
got
an
extreme
passion
for
historical
projects
and
historical
buildings.
I'm
also,
the
president
of
the
Holliday
Chamber
of
Commerce
and
I've
been
hearing
a
lot
about
the
con
wood
Mall
situation
going
on
over
there.
J
The
thing
that's
that's
cool
about.
That
is
because
we've
got
a
lot
of
wonderful
history.
I'm
George,
Washington,
16,
signers
of
the
Declaration
of
Independence,
all
the
way
to
Duke
Ellington
Buzz
Aldrin.
A
lot
of
wonderful
people
have
have
walked
the
degrees
of
our
fraternity
as
I
got
into
the
economic
side
of
this
and
I
realized
Freemasonry.
As
with
a
lot
of
wonderful
public-private
civic
organizations
are
falling
in
membership.
The
state
of
Utah
used
to
have
approximately
5,600
members
were
under
two
thousand.
Now
that's
from
Logan
to
Saint
George.
J
We
have
temples
all
over
the
all
over
the
state.
Some
of
them
are
small,
Center,
block
structures
and,
and
some
are
a
little
bit
bigger,
but
nothing
completely.
Nothing
comes
close
to
the
building
that
we're
in
at
this
point
in
time.
That's
when
I
figured
the
financial
analysis
of
the
building
I'm
going
to
be
transparent
and
vulnerable
with
you
with
the
amount
of
Masons
that
we
have
it's,
it's
not
sustainable
for
a
long
period
of
time.
J
J
So
it's
an
interesting
situation
that
we're
in
from
membership.
Sorry.
So
what
it
boils
down
to
is
that
we
were
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
save
the
Masonic
Temple.
So
to
speak.
We
we
didn't
know
exactly
what
to
do
so,
all
the
way
back
in
2008
the
process
of
trying
to
figure
out
a
land.
Lease
came
up
from
my
brother
Ridge
who's.
Two
presidents
ago,
2008
came
decimated
everything
quite
a
few
years
later.
Obviously,
nobody
was
building
anything.
A
Well,
let
me
just
say
that
I'm
actually
finding
what
you're
saying
totally
interesting.
However,
we
we
as
a
commission
will
be
focusing
really
closely
on
the
standards
and
the
guidelines
and
to
the
extent
that
your
group
can
focus
on
that.
That
would
be
super
helpful
and
we'll
do
the
same
for
people
who
may
be
speaking
on
the
other
side.
Wonderful,
all.
J
To
quote
Dave
Chappelle
I'll
wrap
this
gavel
up.
So
just
just
to
finish
that
part
is.
We
were
looking
at
doing
a
capital
campaign
that
wasn't
going
to
work
because
of
the
nature
of
our
organization.
Then
we
said
what
we
need
to
do.
We,
we
hired
internet
properties
via
silly
aspre,
scoffs,
jr.,
hawa
and
Mike
Farrell
to
help
represent
us,
and
we
said
we
didn't
want
to
sell
the
property.
We
wanted
to
make
sure
that
it
was
a
lease.
None
of
us
benefit
financially
individually.
J
It's
just
a
temple
in
general,
we're
just
trying
to
save
the
building.
We
believe
that
with
Mike
Farrow,
who
found
DB
urban
after
a
handful
of
different
developers
throughout
the
years,
we
found
that
these
gentlemen
were
extremely
well
well-versed.
In
their
background,
they
understood
the
historical
nature
and
the
importance
of
making
sure
that
our
area
in
the
south
temple
district
is
not
disrupted
by
a
district,
disruptive
or
ugly
building,
and
we
have
full
faith
and
confidence
and
their
ability
to
do
what
they're
going
to
do.
J
All
we
knew
is
we
needed
to
do
a
land
lease.
We
had
no
clue
what
it
was
going
to
be
as
far
as
I
was
concerned,
just
as
long
as
our
economics
were
able
to
connect
if
they
told
us
that
it's
gonna
be
a
big
swimming
pool.
I'd
have
been
on
board
with
that.
They
came
back
with
this
beautiful
structure
in
my
opinion,
and
that's
what
we're
here
to
speak
about
this
evening.
Thank
you
sincerely
from
the
bottom
of
my
heart
for
listening
to
me.
I
I
We
had
a
discussion
with
most
of
y'all
on
in
December
of
last
year
and
then
we're
here
tonight
whether
it
was
members
of
the
public
members
of
this
body,
members
of
the
Planning
Commission
members
of
the
City
Council.
Anyone
who
would
share
comments
and
thoughts
with
us.
We
tried
to
take
those
and
we
really
took
an
8
or
9
of
those
points
that
we
then
based
most
of
our
design
and
I'll
talk
a
little
bit
about
these,
but
turn
the
critical
stuff
over
to
architectural
Nexus.
I
So
we
heard
that
the
600
East
streetscape
was
of
massive
important
pedestrian
scale
thereof
and
that
a
two-story
volume
along
the
West
facade
of
this
building,
and
preferably
along
the
South
facade,
is
something
that
needed
to
be
looked
at
and
addressed.
How
possible
preservation
of
the
carriage
home
we've
learned.
The
carriage
home
is
not
a
contributing
or
as
a
non
contributing
structure,
but
the
preservation
thereof
is
important
to
us
whether
or
not
we
could
create
a
public
space
or
a
public
place
of
some
type.
I
The
X
main
building
any
mass
and
significant
mass
trying
to
get
it
to
the
further
eastern
portion
of
this
lot.
Mid-Block
was
something
that
was
mentioned
in
landscape
preservation,
the
wonderful
trees
along
600
east,
so
that
we're
not
all
driving
past.
Looking
at
the
garage
entrance
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
integrate
the
garage
entrance
onto
a
different
side
of
the
property
than
the
most
prominent
600
east
side
of
the
prop
of
the
property
and
then
again
a
mid
block
pedestrian
connection
point.
I
So,
as
we
had
this
roughly
acre
and
a
half
of
site
first
thing
we
looked
at
under
the
current
zoning
ordinance
is
a
60%
land
coverage
area
up
to
60
feet
of
height.
We
do
have
about
10
feet
of
fall
on
this
site
from
east
falling
to
west
to
600
east.
We
then
started
to
look
at
some
of
these
items
that
I
mentioned,
so
we
looked
at
first
reducing
and
getting
within
the
60%
land
area
coverage.
We
then
looked
at
making
certain
on
the
left.
I
Side
of
the
screen
is
600
east,
making
certain
that
along
600
East
was
the
two-story
element.
We
also
took
the
context
on
the
south
side
of
the
property,
as
well
as
we
looked
at
exploring
making
certain.
We
could
provide
usable
functional
space
with
this
new
building.
This
middle
doughnut
hole
inevitably
came
out
as
we
stood
on
the
vacant
parking
lot
and
look
to
the
east.
You've
got
these
wonderful
steps
and
terraced
mountains.
As
we
look
to
the
west,
we've
got
wonderful,
stepped
and
and
terrace
buildings.
I
The
design
team
thought
it
would
be
appropriate
that
this
building
also
mimic
some
of
that
same
design,
stepping
terracing
and
so
intentionally
and
very
specifically,
certain
corners
of
the
building
were
taken
out
on
the
South
facade.
In
order
to
accommodate
a
pedestrian
walkway,
we
exceeded
the
side
yard
setback
by
5
feet,
so
we
reduced
this
side
of
the
building
by
5
feet
on
the
north
side
of
the
building.
I
As
we
looked
at
getting
a
drive
meandering
Drive
into
the
north
side
of
this
building,
it
required
the
removal
of
six
feet
of
the
north
side
of
this
building
and
instead
of
trying
to
allow
the
parking
lot
to
come
and
then
push
the
building
back
out
to
the
side
yard
setback.
We
said
we'll
work
with
this
well.
Dil
will
address
this
six
feet
so
that
six
feet
was
removed
on
the
North
facade.
That
left
us
with
this
cube.
I
That's
where
a
lot
of
time
and
effort
and
energy
was
then
spent
with
architectural
Nexus
to
make
certain
that
we
were
addressing
the
standards
of
the
ordinance.
The
wonderful
thing
about
city
staff
is
that
you
didn't
see
the
first
three
attempts
that
we
brought
to
Lex
that
were
denied
the
needed
attention
needed
addressing
and
that's
really
the
process
that
we
went
through.
I
This
is
a
required
fire
ingress,
egress
hammerhead
turnaround
for
aerial
apparatus.
For
the
building
and
as
we
looked
at
the
MU,
we
thought
the
only
thing
that
will
draw
someone
in
the
middle
of
this
block
is
something
of
interest,
and
so
the
the
intent
and
part
of
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
would
be
the
relocation
of
the
carriage
house
back
into
this
corner,
ultimately
creating
it
into
something
that
is
a
nod
to
the
Masons.
What
was
here,
what
has
been
here?
What
they've
created
I
know
I
apologize.
I
A
lot
of
this
line,
wait
I,
know
on
the
screen,
doesn't
come
through
super
well,
we've
got
some
printed
copies
that
we'll
hand
out,
but
we've
got
per
your
kind
of
request.
Last
time
we
looked
at
the
streetscape
along
600
East,
so
the
mason,
the
masonic
temple
itself,
the
walker
mccarthy
mansion
adjacent
to
it,
this
property.
This
section
is
at
the
in
that
first
sixty
feet.
So
it's
at
the
two-story
volume.
I
So
I
want
to
make
certain
that's
very
clear,
but
you
can
see
the
volume
of
this
building
as
it
relates
to
even
some
of
the
larger
single-family
homes
to
the
south
of
it.
The
this
is
a
meeting.
If
you
want
to
hand
these
out,
these
are
these.
This
is
hot
off
the
press.
This
is
it
some
strong
encouragement
suggestion
from
individuals
in
the
community
lex
as
well
again
appreciate
all
that
Lex
has
done.
We
printed
these
because
I
knew
this
line.
Wait
on
this
TV
might
not
come
up.
I
This
might
be
a
better
image
to
click
to,
but
you
have
this
packet
and
meek,
Nick
and
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong.
This
is
standing
on
the
sidewalk,
with
a
camera
held
at
five
foot:
nine
inches
high,
looking
through
a
thirty-five
foot
space
between
the
property
owned
by
the
sim
Nonnie
organization
and
the
Walker
McEwen
mansion.
The
reason
the
line
wait
in
the
background
back
here
appears.
I
Small
and
low
is
the
facade.
The
North
facade
of
our
building
is
in
excess
of
two
hundred
and
twenty
feet
from
where
this
picture
was
taken
from
the
sidewalk
roads.
Cars
vehicles,
traveling
in
South
temple
are
obviously
another
20
30
40
feet
into
the
street.
This
lower
picture
is
a
glimpse
looking
through
the
35
feet
between
the
sim
Nonnie
office
building
and
the
Masonic
Temple
itself,
and
you
can
see
the
height
of
the
northeast
corner
of
our
building
through
that
35
foot
shot
and
glimpse
we
felt
this
was.
This
was
important.
I
We
had
been
asked
to
do
it
and
so
wanted
to
prepare
that
a
couple
of
elevations
and
renderings
you
can
see
the
the
trees
and
the
heights
along
or
the
trees,
the
height
of
those
trees
along
600
East.
Many
of
those
are
incredible:
they're
phenomenal
they
exceed
even
the
height
this
building,
not
just
the
two-story
elements,
but
the
entirety
of
the
height
of
this
building,
a
couple
of
those
renderings
from
different
angles,
aerials
from
different
angles,
we'll
get
into
to
this
here.
I
I
This
stunt
story
to
story
volume
space
and
these
brownstones
and
the
pedestrian
connection
that
they
create
along
this
street
is
absolutely
of
the
most
paramount
importance
to
us.
It
also
creates
setbacks,
20
an
additional
25,
an
additional
30
feet
before
the
building
of
any
height
or
significant
Rises,
and
it
pushes
that
mass
and
volume
to
the
middle
of
the
block
closer
to
the
masonic
temple
itself
that
exceeds
all
buildings
in
this
area
and
when
we
were
before
this
body
before
one
of
the
questions
that
was
asked
was
this
North
facade.
I
This
is
the
North
facade,
and
this
is
after
the
6-foot
additional
setback
that
we
looked
at
these
numbers
might
be
a
little
harder
to
see.
The
window
reveal
design
is
a
4-inch
reveal.
You've
got
18
inch
in
and
two
foot
six,
so
28
inch
reveals
with
five-foot
balconies.
This
facade
has
fenestration
articulation.
It
has
push
and
pull
it's,
not
a
long,
sterile
wall.
It's
got
movement.
I
It's
got
motion
we're
looking
at
this
as
four-sided
architecture,
we
presented
the
600
East
facade
to
you
in
our
work
session,
and
one
of
the
questions
was
is:
is
this
stepping
and
pushing
and
pulling
consistent
around
the
building?
And
we
wanted
to
show
you
that
it
is
one
of
the
other
questions
that
this
is
the
southeast
corner
so
again
down
along
600
East.
You
can
see
again
those
two
foot,
four
step
backs.
I
The
five
foot
reveals
low
up
higher
for
some
of
the
balconies,
the
four
inch
window
reveals
and
and
that
creation
one
of
the
things
that
we
had
talked
about
is
this
15-foot
depth,
and
you
had
asked
us
to
specifically
kind
of
look
at
that.
We
talked
about
the
stepping
of
this
landscaping,
the
opportunity
to
create
planters
separation
from
the
sidewalk
and
the
building
these
patios,
an
area
where
people
can
congregate.
I
So
again,
these
these
numbers
might
be
smaller,
for
you,
sidewalk
line
is
here
it's
over
six
feet
back
to
the
actual
property
line
itself,
seven
feet
from
there
back
to
the
first
phase
of
this
landscape
box.
This
landscape
box
is
three
feet
deep
to
allow
for
grasses
and
low
grow,
ease
and
other
elements,
and
then
a
15-foot
patio
or
setback
from
here
back
to
the
the
start
of
the
two-story
brownstones
and
then
the
two-story
brownstones
themself.
This
element
is
35
feet
deep
before
any
of
the
other
mass
and
height
starts.
I
That's
where
that
60
feet
of
depth
from
the
property
line
is
in
excess
of
60
feet
from
the
sidewalk
itself,
because
the
property
line
starts
further
east
than
the
sidewalk.
One
of
the
other
questions
was
the
trees.
We
know
there
are
significant
trees,
certainly
any
of
the
trees
on
in
the
600
East
right-of-way.
I
I
K
And
as
we've
already
alluded,
we've
been
working
with
LEC's
extensively
to
create
a
narrative
that
addresses
all
86
design
standards
out
of
the
multifamily
design
and
historic
districts,
and
your
I'm
not
going
to
touch
on
every
one
of
those.
But
you'll
have
access
to
that
narrative,
I'll
just
touch
on
two
or
three
items
that
I
think
are
the
most
important
one
is
the
dark
brick
that
is
a
direct
reference
to
the
historically
contributing
building
to
the
south.
K
The
additional
materials,
for
example,
the
cementitious
board.
They
were
using
as
a
highlight
that's
similar
to
the
way
that
cast
stone
would
have
been
used
on
a
traditional
brick
building
in
this
district
and
in
this
neighborhood
and
then
the
tripartite
organization
of
the
buildings.
They
typically
have
three
planes,
two
of
which
project
forward
or
hold
back,
and
then
the
third
is
the
entry
and
we're
taking
a
modern
interpretation
that
tripartite
organization
into
this
more
contemporary
building.
The
it's
interesting
to
note.
K
There's
other
elements
like
the
fenestration
patterns,
we've
looked
at
the
proportions
of
the
windows
down
down
the
street
and
they
have
a
two
to
one
ratio:
four
and
then
a
more
square
organization,
and
we've
used
both
of
those
in
our
building,
as
well
as
the
windows
of
the
masonic
temple
that
have
1.25
to
2
ratio
and
we've
use
that
in
our
more
vertically
oriented
windows.
I'll
stop
there
just
so
we're
not
getting
into
too
much
detail.
But
if
anybody
has
any
questions,
we're
happy
to
address
them
and.
I
I
would
say
the
same:
there's
any
questions,
we're
happy
to
address
them,
otherwise,
we'll
sit
down.
We
know
there
are
members
of
the
public
here.
We
know
that
there's
been
written
notice,
some
for
some
against.
We
know
there's
been
frustrations
about
the
process,
some
of
that
we
don't
control
and
I
hope.
This
Commission
understands
that
there's
been
an
overwhelming
support
recently
or
an
overwhelming
amount
of
support
for
the
project
that
I
think
you've
seen
in
in
some
of
the
materials
that
have
come
in
recently.
I
C
K
Can
I
can
answer
that?
Yes,
we
have
looked
at
that,
and
the
location
of
this
site
is
actually,
as
Dustin
mentioned,
10
feet
lower
than
the
mansion
and
with
the
20
foot
setback
that
we
have
on
that
zone,
they
were
and
there's
also
a
parking
garage.
That's
between
the
this
site
and
the
mansion.
There
would
not
ever
be
any
light
that
were
any
shadows
that
would
be
cast
on
dimension.
C
J
J
We've
got
an
aging
membership
and
we
knew
that
if
we
develop
7th
east
as
opposed
to
6th
now
our
members
are
walking
through
the
winter,
all
the
way
down
from
the
60's
portion
and
we're
not
staffed
appropriately
to
go
out
and
retrieve
all
of
our
members.
When
I
first
joined
the
lodge
our
average
age
was
67
years
old.
Again,
thank
you
for
a
mr.
brown
in
his
books.
J
It's
now
down
trended
to
about
forty
four
years
old,
but
we
still
do
have
a
pretty
decent
constituency
of
older
members
so
that
that's
really
specific
for
the
reason.
Why
there's
at
this
point
in
time
no
plan
at
all
to
do
anything
on
the
70
side,
I
can't
say
that
at
board,
15
years
from
now
might
change
their
mind
or
anything
along
those
lines.
But
that's
the
reason.
Thank
you
was.
C
I
I
I
This
access
off
of
off
of
600
East
comes
to
a
lower
level
that,
ultimately,
by
the
back
eastern
half
of
this
parking
level,
is
fully
subterranean.
There
is
like
60
parking
stalls
on
this
level.
That
is
the
access
for
that
level.
There
is
an
easement
being
granted
not
only
to
this
building
for
access
for
residents,
but
also
the
fire
department
in
perpetuity
from
South
temple
down
the
west
side
of
the
temple
to
this
hammerhead
tee.
That
will
also
serve
as
a
second
point
of
ingress
and
egress
to
the
second
parking
level.
I
I
think
that
knowing
there's
two
curb
cuts,
the
high
likelihood
and
probability
is
that
it
still
provides
a
means
right
now
until
something
were
to
happen.
15
years
50
years,
don't
know
at
this.
We
certainly
know
that
this
property
always
has
two
points
of
ingress
and
egress
for
transportation
needs.
A
I
We
talked
through
this
and
we
talked
through
it
even
with
members
of
staff,
part
of
that
and
and
that
deference
as
you
as
you
mentioned,
these
structures
themselves
are
smaller
two-story
structures
they're,
not
as
large
as
the
structures
to
the
north.
Second
point
that
was
addressed.
The
property
itself
slopes
to
the
south
west,
so
having
more
mass
of
the
southwest
would
make
it
fill
even
bigger,
even
more
significant
down
in
this
southwest
corner.
I
Third
point
that
we
looked
at
and
addressed
is
there
this
property
in
particular,
has
a
ten-foot
side,
yard
setback,
our
20-foot
side,
yard
setback
and
then
our
25-foot
two-story
product
it's
75
feet
before
you
get
into
three
and
four
stories
on
our
building
these
buildings
to
the
north.
Have
a
double
loaded,
drive
aisle
of
parking.
That's
60
feet.
They
then
own
some
property
on
the
south
side
of
the
parking
structure.
I
We're
also
granting
an
additional
21
feet
of
setback,
so
we're
in
excess
of
85
90
feet
from
those
structures
themselves,
excluding
their
parking
compared
to
75
feet.
So,
as
we
looked
at
it,
we
were
trying,
with
staff
to
create
kind
of
a
narrower,
a
narrow
window
that
paid
the
same
respects
before
the
building
went
to
3,
&
4
stories
of
height
adjacent
to
those
structures
in
doing
that,
it
also
forced
the
building
to
get
a
little
longer
more
elongated
into
the
block,
but
getting
into
the
middle
of
the
block
was
something
that
we
heard.
I
Multiple
times
was
fine.
We
actually
had
a
couple.
Individuals
suggest
that
we
go
and
propose
a
full
additional
floor
on
the
easternmost
portion
of
this
building
were
50
feet.
Zoning
is
60,
and
so
there
was
common
about
taking
this
easternmost
portion
a
whole
additional
level
higher
than
what
we're
proposing.
A
A
I'm
not
sure
that
I
have
any
other
questions.
Anyone
well
in
that
case,
why
don't
we
open
the
the
open
portion
of
this
public
meeting
and
what
I'd
like
to
do,
since
we
have
quite
a
few
people.
Who'd
like
to
comment
is
all
ask
someone
to
speak
and
then
I'll
do
my
best
to
remember
to
say
who's
next,
so
you
can
get
prepared.
So
why
don't
we
if
I,
could
just
ask
Phil
McCarthy
to
start?
Please.
A
F
L
L
How
expensive
it
is
to
maintain
historic
buildings
and
just
to
make
sure
the
McCune
mansion
was
built
in
1901.
The
building
that
you
mistakenly
referred
to
here
is
called
Walker.
Mccarthy
was
built
by
Matthew
Walker
in
1904,
so
we
can
have
a
lot
of
comments.
We
do
a
couple
of
different
things,
but
I
needed
to
take
exception.
A
couple
of
things:
here's
the
thing
that
came
out
at
April,
2000
19
that
went
to
the
City
Council,
requesting
a
zoning
change,
while
no
specific
physical
development
is
under
consideration.
L
Less
than
nine
months
later
we
are
here
debating
a
project
we
did
hear
from
somebody
also
say:
well,
maybe
we'll
develop
something
on
the
7th
east
side
over
the
next
40
or
50
years.
I
sympathize
with
the
aging
Masonic,
you
know
clientele,
but
that's
not
the
reason
for
the
historic
landmark
Commission
to
destroy
a
truly
historic
area.
There's
plenty
of
room
behind
this
Masonic
Temple
on
a
7th
east
side.
We're
not
going
to
destroy
these
trees,
we're
not
going
to
destroy
the
Stork
nature
of
things.
L
L
L
In
order
to
go
around
the
corner,
to
address
this
and
put
in
here
that
on
620
South
temple
is
the
Broadway
Eccles
building
here
it
is
there
a
tenant
in
a
building.
You
would
have
to
look
very
very
closely
and
really
sort
of
go
out
of
your
way.
Why
would
somebody
mislabeled
and
misrepresent
the
most
historic
property
on
there
was
built
in
1904
23
years
for
the
Masonic
Temple,
the
height
restrictions.
L
You've
been
told
that
will
not
be
higher
than
the
existing
buildings
or
disturb
those
trees.
Matthew
Walker
planted
some
of
those
trees
in
1904.
I
have
planted
some
of
those
I,
don't
remember,
which
is
which,
but
certain
it's
going
to
disrupt
those
trees
and
it
just
substantially
higher,
as
you
can
see
from
their
own
diagram
the
questions
you
need
to
ask
yourself
if
they
misidentified
this,
they
couldn't
get
this
much
right.
The
second
thing
would
be
the
height,
and
the
third
thing
really
is
the
site.
This
is
a
historic
district.
L
If
there
is
a
need
for
a
Masonic,
Temple,
Apartments
off
selling
theast,
whom
would
they
be
coming
in
front
of
their
own
people?
The
Masonic
Temple
would
be
saying
we
are
the
Masonic
Temple
and
it
might
be
blocking
our
view
or
changing
some
of
those
things.
But
we
are
adamantly
opposed
as
prosper
to
this
project.
We
were
not
included,
we
have
seen
things
that
have
been
mislabeled
and
this
identified
and
after
a
few
emails
and
calls
I
notice
about
five
minutes
after
6:00.
L
L
L
Just
take
all
of
the
information
all
the
things
I've
had.
You
can
move
it
right
behind
seventh
east.
There
are
no
issues
there.
There
you're
not
interfering
with
any
neighbors
chuckling,
no
real
historic
district
lands,
as
we
had
mentioned
through
an
intermediary.
The
area
on
sixth
East
would
be
maintained.
We
had
talked
to
somebody
from
the
Masons
and
they
were
told
now
that
he
is
not
the
first.
Do
you
need
green
space?
We
would
continue
to
put
trees
in
there.
We
will
put
the
part
the
walkway
you
can
rollerskate
in
there.
L
You
could
take
your
kids
for
a
walk.
You
could
walk
the
dog
in
there.
So
certainly
we
have
always
said
we
would
support
that
whatever
they
want
to
do
behind
the
Masonic.
Temple
are
coming
enough:
seventh
east.
If
they
need
places
to
park,
they
need
places
to
do
some
things.
While
they
were
constructing
that
we
would
have
green
space,
we
would
have
open
space
there,
I've
been
there
for
21
years.
My
intention
is
to
be
there
for
a
few
more.
A
M
M
Let
me
make
sure
you
can
hear
Jeremy.
Okay,
thank
you
for
the
opportunity,
distinguished
Commission
members,
Jason,
a
mentor
of
mine.
That
eloquently
spoke
of
so
many
things
that
we
do
for
the
community
and
why
the
Masonic
Temple
is
important.
So
I
don't
want
to
elaborate
too
much.
But
as
a
historian,
you
know
by
nature
and
in
my
studies,
I
want
to
talk
about
the
historical
significance
of
that
place,
but
also
you
know
for
future
generations
the
right
to
enjoy
the
history
and
the
leadership
that's
been
cultivated
throughout
the
history
of
that
Masonic
Temple.
M
Briefly,
members
early
civic
leaders,
but
you
know
such
as
Christopher
dill,
were
you
know,
influential
in
creating
the
first
Salt
Lake
City
library
system,
in
our
efforts
to
promote
knowledge
and
community
development
and
support
our
community.
Two
former
Supreme
Court
justices,
which
Calvin
Bell,
who
was
a
distinguished
member
of
the
Utah
Supreme
Court,
and
also
a
chief
Nuremberg
investigator
that
brought
many
people
to
justice
and,
and
so
members
of
our
Lodge
and
also
the
Masonic
family,
have
met
doomed.
M
So
many
significant
things
and
that's
what's
alive
in
that
building,
and
not
only
that
spirits
live
in
that
building,
but
also
in
this
community.
It
is
a
cornerstone
of
this
of
the
South
temple
district.
Ironically
Mason's
you
know,
lay
in
the
northeast
corner
and
that's
the
cornerstone
of
the
Northeast
district
of
the
you
know:
South
temple
and
seventh
east,
and
it's
one
of
the
only
buildings
in
the
city
that
was
built
in
the
1920s
that
was
dedicated
to
the
Egyptian
revival.
M
Movement
of
that
time,
which
was
you
know,
you
know,
was
rampant
throughout
historic
buildings
and
it
is
representative
I
think
not
only
of
Masonic
culture
but
of
the
diversity
of
world
culture.
That
summed,
you
know,
demonstrated
in
the
symbolism
in
that
building
and
you
know
from
gothic
Moorish
traditions
and
so
that's
been
captured.
It's
a
museum
of
priceless
information,
not
only
the
leaders,
the
in
the
archives
are
those
individuals
that
are
hosted
there
on
the
former.
M
You
know
some
of
the
initial
remnants
of
the
salt
lake
library
system,
but
also,
if
we
lost
that
the
land
lease
is
what
I'm
in
support
of
is
because
it
gives
us
a
tool
to
keep
this
going
on
for
another
hundred
years,
I'm
very,
like
let's
wrap
it
up.
Yeah.
Okay,
thank
you,
okay!
Well,
thank
you
for
your
time.
Thank
You.
G
There
is
a
copy
for
each
of
you,
starting
with
Wayne
Mills
I,
don't
know
if
my
voice
will
hold
up
if
it
fails,
you'll
have
to
read
on
your
own
I
want
to
start
with
a
context
for
this
proposal.
This
beleaguered
block,
which
is
in
two
historic
districts
due
east,
is
the
site
of
a
former
Foursquare,
slightly
damaged
in
a
fire
and
then
allowed
to
collapse
through
lack
of
enforcement
and
the
wrong
ownership.
G
The
former
mayor
overturned
your
decision,
which
was
consistent
with
the
ordinance
to
the
south
of
that
and
adaptive
reuse
of
a
building
burned
in
a
fire
next
to
that
a
building
called
Annie's
College
with
cottage,
which
is
really
not
a
nice
cottage,
because
Annie's
cottage
burned
completely
in
a
fire
along
with
the
garages
from
at
Sonia
Court,
we
lost
three
contributory
structures
in
the
early
years
of
the
Central
City
historic
district
west
of
the
Armstrong
Jones
mansion.
Then
there
is
the
graffiti
encrusted
man
sodium
Court,
which
stands
empty
during
a
housing
shortage.
G
There
was
a
gas
leak
there
and
I
thought
we
might
lose.
The
entire
block
skip
over
a
few
wonderful
structures,
and
you
encounter
a
recent
enforcement
case,
infill
townhouses,
where
the
developers
saw
no
reason
to
follow
the
plans
you
had
approved.
This
block
is
the
Peyton
Place
of
preservation.
Of
course,
it
is
wonderful
that
there
will
be
reinvestment
on
this
block,
this
beleaguered
block
and
even
more
wonderful,
that
it
will
be
housing
which
does
not
precipitate
the
demolition
of
existing
housing
or
of
any
historic
structures.
G
N
Okay,
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
talk
in
opposition
to
this
project.
I
have
met
with
Jason
and
Justin,
so
the
Masonic
Temple
representative
and
the
developer-
and
you
know
I've,
listened
to
a
lot
of
this.
My
issue
is
kind
of
more
to
your
requirements
under
construction
in
this
historic
district,
and
you
know,
as
I
just
go
through
each
of
the
criteria.
You
know
these.
This
new
construction
is
meant
to
you,
know
kind
of
harmonize
and
complement
the
historic
district
that
it's
in
it.
The
building's.
N
The
new
construction
should
be
similar
in
scale
size
that
access
to
light
within
you
know
how
it's
affecting
other
properties,
other
historic
structures,
the
property
itself
upper
floors
that
have
our
mast
and
high
they're
supposed
to
you
know
be
stepped
back.
I
notice
here
on
what
we
all
looked
at.
N
The
developer
took
great
pains
to
step
back
the
south
side
and
the
east
west
side
of
this
building
and,
as
you
can
clearly
see,
masked
everything
on
the
north
and
the
east
corners
and
to
the
point
you
know
if
we
look
at
the
renderings
that
they
have
in
the
packet
here,
the
height
of
the
McCarthy,
the
Walker
McCarthy
mansion.
Once
again,
not
the
Walker
McEwen
mansion,
the
top
gable
is
40
feet
high.
N
There
is
a
three-story
parking
structure,
the
top
level
of
that
I
think
some
nannies
and
the
Walker
McCarthy
is
going
to
be
a
sheet
of
ice
during
the
winter
months,
because
it
will
block
out
the
the
sunlight
and
contrary
to
what
they
indicated.
I
think
they
said
it's
going
to
be.
Ten
feet
lower
than
the
mansion
it's
going
to
be
20
feet
higher
ten
feet
lower
than
the
Masonic
Temple
I.
N
You
all
the
real.
The
real
issue
is
the
massing
of
it
on
the
north
side,
and
then
you
know
why
couldn't
consideration
for
stepping
back
the
building
on
the
north
side?
You
know
why
did
that
get
kind
of
short
shift
in
this
whole,
this
whole
development,
as
I
said
they
took
great
pains
for
the
south
and
the
east
side,
and
you
know
a
couple
other
issues.
The
traffic
flow,
the
cars
that
will
be
going
out
on
to
the
60s
I'd
understand
that
was
the
city
feels
or
lacks,
tells
us
they
don't.
N
The
city
feels
no
traffic
study
needs
to
be
done,
I'm,
not
so
sure
of
that
with
125
cars
at
a
minimum
most
likely.
If
it's
going
to
be
a
hundred
twenty
five
units
understand,
you
know
they
still
have
to
go
through
the
lot
line,
adjustments
the
parcel
consolidation,
because
you
can't
even
build
this
building
on
that
lot
as
it
stands
right
now.
A
D
A
D
Think
we
got
cheated
I,
don't
think
it's
right
and
to
sit
here
and
talk
about
four
inch
depth
of
Windows
and
one
foot
balconies
that
wall
that
North
elevation
would
be
a
disaster
and
to
stand
out
in
front
of
the
driveway
of
the
Walker
McCarthy
mansion
at
5
feet
above
the
ground
and
take
a
picture
which,
what
proves
that
you
can't
see
that
building
is
beyond
absurd.
You
know
this
is
an
important
street
and
it's
very
important
I
think
that
the
backdrop
to
these
historic
buildings
be
paid
attention
to
I.
D
B
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
speak,
so
it's
a
really
interesting
to
be
sitting
sitting
in
a
historic
building
with
the
historic
Commission
talking
about
two
historic
groups
in
the
preservation
of
which
so
one
is
encroaching
upon
the
other.
It
just
seems
so
strange
to
me
that
said,
because
I
am
before
the
historic
Commission
I
would
like
to
speak
about
the
height
of
the
north
side
of
the
building
as
well.
It
is
very
much
a
space.
The
South
temple
is
a
Grand.
Boulevard
is
one
of
the
last.
B
It
is
one
of
the
few
areas
to
come
to
and
I
agree.
The
photo
doesn't
do
justice
to
the
situation
that
is
actually
going
to
transpire
with
the
height
of
this
building.
That's
my
chief
argument
at
the
moment
is
the
height
of
this
building,
the
straight
sheer
north
wall
massing.
There
will
be
basically
a
sore
wound
for
a
long
time
if,
if
forever
it
totally
ruins
the
view
and
I
know
views.
B
However,
when
you
go
walk
through
that
space,
you
realize
the
impact
is
much
greater
than
the
pictures
will
show
the
angles
tilted
on
the
camera
and
the
diagrams
are
helpful,
but
it's
also
shocking
and
I
finally
want
to
say
I
work
at
the
McCune
mansion.
It
is
very
important
to
me
to
help
facilitate
historic
values.
Moving
forward,
I
have
no
issue
with
building
and
growing
our
state
at
all.
What
I
have
issue
with
is
the
short
term
gain
for
a
situation
that
it's
just
I,
think
ruining
the
relationship
and
the
interface
of
that
area.
B
A
O
O
My
name's
sean
fletcher,
Michael
Sean,
Fletcher
I,
am
the
general
manager
of
the
McHugh
mansion
here
in
Salt,
Lake
City
I
was
going
to
also
talk
about
the
heights
of
this
building,
but
I
think
that's
getting
beat
to
death.
Already
it's
it's
going
to
be
sure.
It's
gonna
be
the
worst
thing.
You've
ever
seen.
The
mccune
mansion
I
can
say
this
from
personal
experience.
The
McHugh
mansion
has
a
building
built
right.
O
Next
to
it,
it's
called
the
panorama
apartments,
it's
a
seven
story
building
and
it
when
you
look
out
to
the
east
of
that
of
the
McHugh
mansion,
and
you
see
this
building.
Yes,
it
is,
it
is
devastating.
It
should
never
have
been
built
next
to
something
as
historic
as
the
McHugh
match.
It's
one
of
the
finest
buildings
in
Salt
Lake
City.
We
go
back
to
the
Walker
mansion
and
it's
these
owners
that
buy
these
buildings
and
do
it
they're,
not
the
money,
is-
doesn't
grow
on
trees.
O
These
guys
do
this
for
for
the
love
of
the
building.
They
do
this
for
our
heritage,
to
preserve
our
history
and
when
you
guys
allow
things
like
this
to
be
built
that
impede
the
people
that
that
have
to
work
in
these
buildings,
like
myself,
the
macarthy's
we
spend
more
time
in
these
buildings
than
we
do
in
our
own
homes.
If
somebody
came
to
you
and
told
you
well
guess
what
somebody's
gonna
build
a
five-story
building
right
on
your
backyard
property
line?
What
would
you
guys
think
this
is
how
these
guys
feel
this
is
this?
O
They
stay
spend
more
time
in
these
buildings
than
then
they
do
with
their
own
homes,
and
we
we
have
a
obligation
to
future
heritage
to
future
generations
to
protect
these
most
precious
buildings.
These
are.
This
is
one
of
the
last
ones
on
that
street
there's
not
very
many
of
them
left
it's
it's
your
job.
To
save
these,
that's
all
I
can
say
thank.
A
O
Questions
I
invite
any
one
of
you
to
come
up
to
the
McCune
mansion
and
see
see
the
house,
I
would
venture
to
say
the
McCarthy's
would
invite
you
to
come
up
to
the
Walker
mansion
and
walk
through
and
see
for
yourselves,
but
what
this
building
will
do
to
to
their
building
it's
it's.
It
will
not
be
a
good
thing.
Thank.
A
E
Rob
Carlson
I'm
a
big
fan
of
history
here
in
Utah.
The
historic
building
I
agree
with
a
lot
of
what's
been
said
here.
As
far
as
preserving
South
temple,
we
do
need
to
grow.
We
need
to
have
you
know
new
buildings,
they're
ours,
infrastructure,
I,
understand
where
the
Masonic
Temple
is
coming
from,
that
they
need
a
secure
future
for
themselves.
E
A
E
So
I
guess
my
point
is
I,
don't
I
don't
understand!
It
seems
hypocritical
that
you
guys
would
protect
my
neighbors
in
a
rental
area
and
not
protect
these
amazing
historical
homes
that
people
have
dumped
probably
way
more
money
than
what
they're
ever
going
to
be
worth
into.
Just
for
the
sake
of
preserving
history.
That's
it.
A
Thank
you
can
Aurasma
I'll
just
read
for
sake
of
Education
and
enlightenment
purposes.
Let's
say
the
opposition
is
25
to
1
or
100
to
1
in
opposition
versus
support.
I.
Ask
you
the
Commission
specifically.
What
does
it
take
for
the
community
to
have
a
voice
that
carries
the
weight
in
power
as
the
developer?
What
would
it
take
I've
seen
the
plans.
The
massive
structure
looks
like
a
sore
thumb.
I,
look
forward
to
your
response.
A
You,
okay
with
me,
continuing
to
read
at
appropriate
hunka
Sandra
McCarthy
says:
if
there
have
to
be
Masonic
apartments,
they
should
be
behind
the
Masonic
Temple,
since
it's
their
big
idea,
Patrick
Egbert,
I'm,
concerned
about
traffic
and
the
added
traffic
exiting
the
proposed
project
from
600
East
across
South
temple.
600
East
is
a
one
lane
road
with
a
traffic
barrier.
This
will
backup
dramatically
and
cause
issues
between
sixth
East
and
South.
Temple
people
will
try
to
turn
left
across
South
temple
and
that
raises
safety
concerns.
A
I
think
the
project
would
be
better
to
exit
on
70s
because
it
is
a
right-hand
turn
onto
a
much
larger
road
designed
and
built
for
more
traffic
Molly
Spain.
Please
do
not
let
another
high-rise
ruin
the
character
of
historic
South
temple
and
then
just
two
more
sets
Spain,
please
not
the
historical
buildings
on
South
temple
with
high-rise
buildings
and
Geary
Evershed
I.
Think
a
traffic
study
is
needed
lot:
consolidation,
general
appearance
in
keeping
of
historic
nature
of
the
area.
A
P
Mc
rivetti
and
I'd
like
to
speak
in
favor
of
the
project.
There's
been
the
idea
brought
up
over
and
over
that
South
temple's
being
destroyed,
no
buildings
are
being
taken
down.
No
buildings
are
being
affected
as
far
as
the
structure
goes
and
as
far
as
view
goes,
that's
that's
it's
a
faulty
premise
that
it's
damaging
the
historical
nature
of
the
buildings
all
across
the
valley.
P
Buildings
have
been
put
up
over
the
last
50
years
that
have
struck
did
the
view
of
somebody
who
had
a
distorting
at
some
point
right
if
we
continue
to
block
buildings
being
put
up
that
aren't
damaging
any
historic
building.
That's
in
at
present
in
in
that
place,
we're
going
to
halt
the
the
the
progress
of
our
community
I
mean
we
all
know
that
housing
is
an
issue.
P
It's
been
spoken
by
a
couple
of
people,
and
on
top
of
that,
like
we
have
to
continue
to
allow
progress
to
occur
as
long
as
it
doesn't
affect
those
buildings
that
are
there
that
are
historic
nature
and
we
want
to.
All
of
us
want
to
protect
historic
nature
of
those
buildings
that
are
in
the
historic
districts,
and
so
this
project
doesn't
affect
those
buildings
as
far
as
the
structures
themselves,
they're
not
being
damaged,
they're,
not
being
harmed,
and
it's
going
to
help
bring
a
higher
class
of
people
to
the
area.
P
They're
gonna
help
preserve
it
and
bring
in
good
people
instead
of
something
potentially
going
up
in
the
future
where
houses
in
the
area
continue
to
fall
apart
and
bring
in
other
people
who
create
vandals.
One
of
the
things
like
that
this
project
helps
preserve
the
historic
district.
It
doesn't
detract
from
it
or
destroy
it,
and
so
this
this
belief
that
that
view
is
all-mighty
compared
to
everything
else
is,
is
ridiculous,
and
so
at
some
point
we
have
to
take
into
consideration
the
preservation
of
the
historic
district.
P
In
other
terms
than
view,
the
the
economic
factor
that
this
will
bring
in
will
also
help
preserve
the
historic
district,
because
the
people
that
will
be
there
and
will
help
revitalize
the
area
and
bring
in
perhaps
other
people
to
preserve
other
parts
and
make
them
hire
area,
bring
it
higher
income.
People
as
well,
so
thank
you
thank.
L
Q
Q
My
name
is
Patrick:
Egbert
I
represent
the
coming
family,
they
owned
the
Keith
Brown
mansion
and
the
block
directly
west
of
the
governor's
mansion
I
might
I
want
to
voice
my
opposition
and
really
focus
on
two
areas.
The
first
area
is
the
traffic
study.
I,
don't
know
if
the
if
the
city
considered
that
the
two
large
projects
within
a
block
of
here
that
are
under
construction
right
now,
that
will
also
add
significant
traffic
to
South
temple.
Q
We
sit
on
the
corner
between
F
Street
and
G
Street
and
South
temple
and
there's
multiple
accidents
that
we
witness
from
our
building
every
year
because
of
because
of
traffic
and
reiterating
the
point
of
exiting
from
six
from
sixth
East
instead
of
seventh
seventh
East
is
built
for
large
traffic.
I
also
would
also
want
to
bring
up
the
point
of
compromise
from
the
developer
and
the
the
Masonic
Temple
organization.
They've
done
a
lot
of
things
to
try
to
accommodate
that.
Q
The
only
the
only
reason
they
had
to
not
put
it
behind
their
own
building
was
that
their
people
would
have
to
walk
through
the
parking
lot.
A
little
bit
longer.
I
think
that
in
itself,
if
the
building
is
right
behind,
there
solves
most
of
the
issues
that
are
discussed
tonight
and
that
should
be
highly
considered
from
their
standpoint.
R
R
Somebody
brought
a
couch
out
and
was
it
was
out
in
the
alley
and
it
was
coming
from
the
apartments
now.
The
reason
I
can
comment
on
this
is
because
the
one
place
that
people
were
accessing
other
than
to
just
go
to
their
into
their
driveways
was
the
apartments
which
would
be
to
the
right.
If
you
go
straight
across
you
go
to
the
right,
there's
the
apartments
and
the
apart
are
not
yet
well
I.
R
R
Apartment
building
but
I
guess
the
issue
is
this
is
the
fact
that
in
that,
in
that
area,
I
have
I
have
some
personal
reason
in
in
doing
that
in
in
opposing
it
one
is
my
house
sits
next
to
the
alley,
so
I'm
actually
more
intimate
which
goes
on
in
that
alley,
and
you'll
hear
yelling
and
fighting
and
all
kinds
of
stuff
going
on
there
and
that's
not
to
say
there
aren't
good
people,
people
go
into
those
units
and
they
you
know.
Some
of
them
are
nice
people,
but
you
get
anybody,
that's
bad.
R
R
The
other
thing
is,
like
my
neighbor
says:
well,
you
know
we've
never
had
rats
here
before
and
this
as
well
as
that
those
dumpsters
the
from
that
from
the
apartments.
Well,
you
know
if
you
build
another
development
that
goes
access
from
the
back.
You've
got
another
situation,
you
know
for
garbage
and
other
stuff.
That's
going
on.
I,
don't
know
how
the
garbage
is
going
to
be
maintained
to
that
area,
but
it's
just
if
there's
anything
that
would
create
a
ghetto.
R
I
I
As
of
about
two
o'clock,
the
last
I
saw
I
know
there's
emails
and
and
massive
letters
in
opposition.
You
have
a
packet
that
has
an
overwhelming
amount
of
written
letters
in
support
of
this
project.
Contrary
to
what
anyone
might
believe,
I
can
tell
you
that
great
deference
was
taken
as
we
looked
at
this
building.
It
wasn't
to
give
the
pinkie
finger
or
any
other
finger
to
the
property
owners
to
the
north
I
think
there
are
multiple
things
that
allude
to
that.
I
We
we
could
have
brought
the
building
back
the
six
feet
that
just
to
accommodate
the
drive
and
then
brought
the
building
back
to
the
set
back
I
think
we
could
have
gone
with
less
articulation.
I
want
to
correct
what
was
said.
The
window
reveals
are
a
four-inch
articulation
at
the
window,
but
there
are
also
two
and
a
half
and
five-foot
fenestration
articulation
changes
on
that
North
facade.
It's
not
a
solid
plane.
I
was
corrected
by
my.
I
Legal
counsel
and
being
reminded
part
of
the
reason
we
did
not
get
an
access
out
to
seventh
east
is
because
the
zone
is
a
different
zone
and
a
access
through
one
zone
cannot
go
to
a
different
zone.
That
was
something
that
I
didn't
know
that
we
learned
in
our
DRT
with
the
city
and
they
call
it
the
shopping
center
effect.
They
don't
want
someone
owning
a
shopping
center,
buying
a
couple
of
homes,
creating
an
access
into
that
shopping
center
through
a
residential
zone
or
something
else
to
a
different
zone.
I
Now,
to
now
to
the
standards
again
or
the
standards
and
some
of
the
deference
stepping
the
entirety
of
the
West
facade
back
that
35
feet
at
a
two-story
level
is
part
of
the
deference
that
was
paid
to
the
Walker
McCarthy
mansion
did
I
call
it
the
wrong
name.
Yes,
I
hope.
You
also
noticed
other
people
who
spoke
on
their
behalf,
called
it
the
wrong
name.
Did
we
write
the
the
Broadway
at
Eccles?
We
did.
I
We
looked
at
a
Google
map,
it's
not
because
I
profess
to
be
a
massive
historian,
I
apologize
for
that,
but
great
deference
was
paid
to
all
adjacent
properties
in
in
creating
a
developable
site
that
was
equal
parts
separated
from
historic
structures,
the
our
response
to
the
standard.
What
you
have
and
I
don't
know
who
in
the
audience
may
or
may
not
have
read
all
of
it.
It's
85
pages.
We
responded
to
every
standard.
That's
required
for
this
light
is
not
a
standard
view,
is
not
a
standard.
I
The
reason
that
the
eastern
half
of
the
parking
lot
wasn't
looked
at
for
development
is
it
is
a
totally
different
underlying
zone.
It's
institutional,
the
western
half
of
this
parking
lot,
and
if
you
go
back
to
the
zoning
maps,
more
than
half
of
it
was
already
zoned
ro
changing
every
all
of
the
frontage
along
600
East,
with
the
exception
of
a
drive,
Isle
was
already
zoned
ro.
I
The
extension
of
the
ro
rezone,
squared
that
off
a
la
consolidation
application
is
in
with
the
city,
consolidating
the
Lots
making
this
a
single
parcel
for
development
that
fits
these
standards,
but
the
our
ozone
already
existed.
It
existed
to
the
60
feet
of
height,
already
we're
conceding
40
feet
of
height
in
the
front
massive
portion
of
this
building,
a
great
deal
of
which
is
seen
from
or
seen
over
from
the
Walker
McCarthy
mansion.
We're
not
adding
a
story
to
further
impact.
I
The
Sim
Nani
office
building
great
deference,
was
taken,
as
we
looked
at
all
four
sides
of
this
building.
Contrary
to
what
anyone
might
believe,
there's
any
questions
from
the
Commission
I'm
happy
to
answer
them.
Otherwise,
we
responded
to
the
standards.
We
have
a
staff
report,
that's
90
something
pages,
long
with
a
recommendation
for
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
new
construction,
and
we
would
respectfully
request
that
you
approve
this
matter.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
C
A
Sure
I'm,
sorry
about
that,
what
Victoria
asked
whether
our
consideration
was
limited
to
the
application
of
the
design
standards
and
guidelines
under
the
historic
preservation.
Ordinance
of
my
answer
was
yes
that
is
correct
and
there
have
been
things
that
have
been
raised
here
tonight
that
are
just
well
beyond
our
purview
and
those
include
traffic
view
access
to
light.
Those
are
just
not
relevant
aspects
of
the
historic
preservation
standards,
standards.
D
The
only
comment
I
have
listening
to
all
this
and
some
these
people
know-
and
maybe
some
in
the
audience
I'm
a
avid
Avenue,
South
temple
person
from
way
way
back
and
I
feel
bad
because
everybody
doesn't
think
North.
Face
of
this
building
looks
good
and
I
may
be
one
of
them,
but
we
had
somebody
ask
question
that
was
read
about
how
many
people
have
to
speak
out
against
something
like
this
to
have
the
public
carried
the
day
and
I.
Don't
know
the
answer
to
that,
but
I
think
the
answer
might
resemble.
D
Thousands
may
speak
out
against
it,
but
they
can't
change
the
legal
basis
and
things
of
that
that
we
are
constrained
by
to
have
to
give
these
gentlemen
who
have
their
money
and
their
plans
and
their
future
and
invested
in
this
thing
and
have
responsibilities
to
the
people.
We
have
to
allow
them
to
do
what
they
have
the
right
to
do
as
a
landowner,
and
unfortunately,
beauty
is
in
the
eye
of
the
beholder.
But
it
isn't
because
we've
learned
that
it
isn't
a
standard
that
they
necessarily
North.
D
A
F
One
comment
was
made
that
a
access
to
light
was
not
necessarily
something
to
consider.
I
do
want
to
just
point
out
there.
There
is
a
design
objective.
It's
not
the
way
that
these
work
is
that
there's
the
the
zoning
ordinance
standards
for
review,
which
is
what
you
are
charged
with
reviewing
and
making
a
determination
of
whether
or
not
it
meets
those
standards.
We
also
have
what
are
called
design
objectives.
F
Those
are
things
that
kind
of
help
in
deciding
these
things,
but
they're
all
kind
of
made,
with
a
should,
because
in
some
aspects
that
it
may
or
may
not
work,
but
I
do
want
to
just
point
out
just
because
some
statements
were
made
that
that's
the
access
to
light,
isn't
something
that's
considered
that
we
there
is
a
design
objective
that
says,
new
multi-family
building
should
be
should
be
designed
to
respect
access
to
light
and
the
privacy
of
adjacent
buildings.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
that's
on
the
record
and
considered
thank.
C
C
F
A
And
well,
I
had
one
just
procedural
question,
which
is
it
we've
had
either
one
or
two
work
sessions
on
this
project
right
are
those
noticed
out
the
same
way
that
to
the
neighbors
in
the
same
way
that
public
meetings
are.
They
are
well
to
me
at
it's
unfortunate
that
we've
landed
where
we
have.
There
have
been
some
opportunities
to
really
engage
long
before
we
got
to
this,
it
seems
like
which
probably
it
seems
like
have
been
missed.
So
that's
unfortunate.
E
Something
so
I
would
just
like
to
echo
what
Stan
you
know
discussed
and
you
couldn't
have
said
that
any
better,
but
at
the
same
time,
I'm
also
wondering
if
developers
you're
gonna
have
to
have
a
relationship
with
the
Jason
properties
moving
forward.
You
have
to
have
a
plan
in
place
because
this
there's
a
lot
of
tension
and
it's
not
going
to
go
away.
So
that's
something
that
you
will
have
to
work
somehow
to
address,
because
this
relationship
is
going
to
be
a
long-term
relationship
and
I'd
hate
to
see
the
neighbors
upset.
E
A
A
E
I
will
go
ahead
and
motion
hey
based
on
an
analysis
and
findings
in
the
staff
report
that
the
standards
are
for
approval
of
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
involving
new
construction
in
a
local
historic
district.
Have
them
substantially
met.
Testimony
and
proposed
proposal
presented
I
moved
that
the
Commission
approved
the
request
for
new
construction
located
at
approximately
33
South
600
East.