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From YouTube: Historic Landmarks Commission Meeting - August 06, 2020
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Salt Lake City Historic Landmarks Commission Meeting - August 06, 2020
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C
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B
Well,
the
I
think,
the
the
motion
that
I
made
had
like
three
or
four
specific
points
in
it
and
I
think
it
would
be
a
little
more
informative
to
the
planning
commission.
If
those
were
spelled
out,
it
doesn't
have
to
be
verbatim
by
any
means,
but
if
the
you
know
the
substance
of
the
individual
points
were
conveyed,
I
think
that
would
be
helpful.
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D
A
A
A
C
C
If
you're
having
trouble
logging
into
the
meeting,
there
is
still
a
way
to
participate
and
you
can
send
a
email
to
to
us
at
historic
landmarks.
One
word
dot
comments
at
slgov.com
again.
The
the
first
item
is
the
public
hearing.
The
second
two
items
are
session
items,
so
there's
no
public
participation
at
this
point.
The
purpose
of
those
items
is
to
let
the
present
the
items
to
the
to
the
hlc
and
get
feedback.
C
A
A
Okay,
that's
what
I
see
too,
so
that
makes
sense
so
we'll
go
next
to
the
public
hearing
portion
of
our
commission
meeting
today
and
we're
going
to
talk
about
the
night
duplex
and
we'll
turn
the
time
over
to.
Is
it
kate
katie?
How?
How
do
you
pronounce
your
name,
katie
katya
catch,
you
yeah.
I
thought
it
might
be
something
like
that.
My
apologies
for
not
knowing
that
that's
contact
on
this
matter
catch
you
thank
you.
I
I
I
I
I
I
Some
of
the
issues
that
we
found
are
related
to
the
materials
and
we
find
that
final
windows
in
the
front,
facade
of
property
in
the
historic
district
is
not
appropriate
same
thing
with
the
metal
roof
and
the
door
it
just.
The
issue
that
staff
finds
is
that
this
door
is
more
of
a
tutor
style,
architectural
style,
not
so
much
a
craftsman
style
which
this
house
is
designed
based
on.
I
I
E
I
I
G
I
A
I
Exactly
I
especially
the
vinyl
windows
and
the
metal
roof,
I
would
recommend
that
the
commission,
you
know
it's
something
that
I
pointed
out,
but
that
the
commission
could
make
it
a
condition
of
you
know
changing
that
to
a
a
more
appropriate
material
for
windows
in
the
front
facade
of
of
this
home.
I
think
it
would
be
a
lot
more
appropriate.
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A
J
Hi,
this
is
nick
knight.
How
are
you
guys
thank
you
for
coming?
Thank
you
for
having
me
so
yeah.
I
I've
been
listening
to
all
the
things
and
and
I'm
reasonably
open
to
the
the
few
minor
comments
that
that
katya
has
like,
for
instance,
the
little
shed
roof
on
the
front
elevation,
if
that,
if
that
needs
to
be
an
asphalt
shingle,
that's
not
that
big
of
a
deal.
J
I
think
it
was
drawn
that
way,
just
because
of
the
low
slope
of
it
as
opposed
to
an
asphalt
shingle,
but
it's
small
enough
and
where
it's
not
it's
not
an
issue.
What
other
I
mean
really
any
of
those
issues
aren't
that
big
of
a
deal,
the
windows.
I
was
curious
if,
if
we
did
a,
you
know
like
a
darker
color
vinyl
window
as
opposed
to
a
clad
window,
if
that
would
be
acceptable
as
long
as
the
color
was
approved
before
installation
other
than
that.
A
J
No,
I
mean
all
of
those
things
are
pretty
open
to
suggestion,
even
the
front
door.
I
mean
I'm
not
I'm
not
married
to
the
front
door.
It
was
just
part
of
the
rendering
process
a
little
bit.
There
wasn't
a
ton
of
of
exact
design
input
there
I
mean
to
me
I'm
I'm
a
high-end
custom
home
builder.
So
to
me
you
know
good
colors,
good
textures,
all
those
things
I'm
all
for
so.
A
J
A
A
H
Go
ahead,
yeah
and
I
think
it's
maybe
more
of
just
a
maybe
kind
of
a
nitpicky
design
question,
but
looking
at
the
east
elevation,
I
know
in
the
report
that
they
had
requested
for
the
windows
to
be
centered
on
the
dormers,
and
so
then
that
drew
my
eye
to
the
dormer
in
relation
to
the
windows
below
and
just
wondered.
If
there,
you
know,
was
consideration
for
trying
to
get
the
windows
to
line
up
to
below
and
that
might
be
nitpicky,
but
just
something
that
point
that
just
popped
out
at
me.
J
I
I'm
not
sure
honestly,
I
haven't
looked
at
these
floor
plans
in
a
minute
because
it's
been
a
little
bit
of
a
process
to
get
to
this
point,
but
if
I
could
get
them
to
line
up,
I
would
agree
with
you
on
that.
I'm
not
positive
how
you
know
how
simple
it
is
with
the
floor
plan
layout
or
not,
but
I
agree
that
it
would
be
more
attractive.
J
I
don't
think
that
there's
very
much
you
know
with
this:
the
closeness
of
the
houses
to
one
another
that
you're
going
to
get
a
lot
of
perspective
at
that
distance,
to
be
able
to
really
see
that
you
know
because
it's
kind
of
a
secondary
focal
point,
but
I
agree
with
you
and
you
can
see
a
grade
line
as
well
kind
of
a
dotted,
and
it's
kind
of
hard
to
see
on
this.
It's
kind
of
signifying
the
grade
falls
off
from
east
to
west,
so
on.
J
J
Yeah
and
and
truthfully
when
I
was
in
the
process
of
designing
it,
and
unless
that
was
a
specific
requirement,
I
was
trying
to
make
sure
I
had
good
windows
for
the
interior
experience
and
I
kind
of
figured
that
there
wouldn't
be
a
lot
of
exterior
perspective
where
that
would
be
really
jumping
out
anymore.
But
I'm
again
I'm
open
to
open
the
suggestions
and
I
can
certainly
look
at
whatever
you
guys
propose.
F
J
To
the
southern
unit,
there's
some
parking,
you
know
they've
got
parking
along
in
the
obviously
on
the
driveway
itself
in
the
rear
unit
and
then
other
than
that
really
they'd
have
to
be
out
on
street
parking,
which
is
just
outside
of
boyle's
place.
It's
probably
50
yards
of
river
on
the
side
of
the
side
of
the
access
and
or
there
is
sidewalk
where
they
could
come
and
come
up
from
the
south,
and
then
there
will
be
sidewalk
connecting
where
they
don't
have
to
go
to
the
front
unit.
They
can
go
to
the
back.
J
A
C
A
Okay,
so
we'll
close,
the
public
hearing
and
and
the
commissioners
will
now
speak
about
what
we
want
to
do
on
this.
Is
there
anyone
opposed
we'll
talk
about
these
three
items
under
issue?
Two?
Is
anyone
opposed
to
oppose
to
granting
this
app
this
coa
on
this
that's
subject
to
what
we're
going
to
decide
on
those
other
things.
H
A
A
B
B
A
H
Yeah,
I
think
I'm
in
agreement
with
paul
as
far
as
the
metal
roof
on
the
front.
I
don't
see
that
as
a
huge
deal
either,
but
it
might
be
interesting
to
maybe
look
at
you
know,
maybe
like
a
composite
wood
shingle
or
something
along
the
lines.
That's
a
little
more
craftsman
style,
but
the
metal
roof
I've
you
know
not
super
opposed
to
it.
B
B
G
D
D
A
Okay,
thank
you.
Everyone,
we'll
move
now
to
the
christopher
house,
we're
now
finishing.
We've
now
finished
the
public
hearing
portion
of
the
commission.
We
have
two
study
sessions.
Anyone
is
welcome
to
listen
in,
but
we
won't
be
taking
public
comments.
Nor
will
we
be
voting
on
anything.
So
we'll
turn
this
over
too.
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E
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A
E
Okay,
thank
you.
The
subject
property
is
located
at
1206
west
200,
south
the
carriage
house
is
located
just
to
the
northwest
of
the
mansion,
the
property
bus,
the
jordan
river
on
the
west
and
I-80
to
the
south,
I'm
going
to
going
to
just
breathe
through
some
of
the
photos
of
the
existing
structure.
This
is
post
earthquake
just
keep
in
mind.
So
this
is
the
south
elevation.
E
E
This
is
one
of
this
is
the
elevation
with
one
of
the
damaged
chimneys,
so
the
chimney
will
need
to
be
restored
and
capped
as
well
for
the
west
elevation.
Essentially,
everything
that's
happening
on
the
other.
Elevations
restore
the
damaged,
chimney,
repair
and
restore
the
historic
windows,
restore
and
repair
the
damaged,
sills
clean,
the
brick
and
then
potentially
apply
that
graffiti
coating.
E
E
C
A
K
K
This
this
site
has
certainly
suffered
from
neglect
and
is
one
of
the
locations
along
the
jordan
river
parkway
that
we
feel
is
most
in
need
of
activation,
and
this
the
historic
fisher
mansion
and
fishermen
carriage
house
and
the
property
itself
represent
a
tremendous
opportunity
in
our
minds.
We
are
really
excited
to
propose
this,
this
reuse
of
the
structure
and
and
an
opportunity
to
both
restore
historic
features
and
also
activate
the
property
as
a
trailside
exploration
center.
K
We're
really
optimistic
that
the
activation
of
this
property
will
draw
a
lot
of
attention
to
it.
A
lot
of
enthusiasm
and
excitement
about
further
restoration
efforts,
including
we
hope,
draw
additional
attention
to,
and
resources
towards
the
fisher
mansion
itself,
and
I
think
with
that,
I
will
well
here,
here's
just
one
more
shot,
thanks
john
of
how
we
envision
reusing
what
was
the
the
carriage
bay
as
as
sort
of
a
very
flexible
exploration
center
interpretive
center.
K
One
thing
I
will
say:
that's
really
important
to
us
about
this
space.
It's
it's
a
very
for
for
interpretive
center
of
this
nature.
It's
a
it's
a
very
small
space
which
we
recognize
and
in
order
to
appropriately
activate
it,
use
it
for
staff
purposes
and
also,
we
hope,
to
bring
events
and
and
and
activities
to
the
space,
whether
that's
small,
small
festivals
or
other
types
of
of
activities
or
even
small
private
gatherings.
L
Also,
a
shout
out
to
salt
lake
city
engineering,
dot
fan
and
sean
fife
are
the
architectural
project
managers
over
there
and
also
to
preservation
utah
one
of
our
partners.
Here
they
hold
a
preservation
easement
on
the
building
on
the
mansion
and
the
carriage
house,
so
they've
been
along
with
us
every
step
of
the
way,
so
david
ammet,
the
current
acting
ed
there
thanks
a
lot
for
your
guidance.
L
L
So
the
main
space
is
that
exhibition,
slash
flex
space,
the
interpretive
center.
That
lewis
was
talking
about
and
then
in
the
west,
half
there's
a
work
room
and
some
public
restrooms
and
a
drinking
fountain,
and
then
this
office
103,
where
the
tack
room
used
to
be,
is
an
ada
compliant
office,
so
that
you
know
they.
They
meet
accessibility
requirements
and
then
I'll
point
out
here.
L
This
foyer
102
is
currently
open
air,
as
kelsey
was
discussing
we're
proposing,
closing
it
in
using
on
the
east
side
a
storefront
and
on
the
south
side
a
movable
partition,
glass
partition
similar
to
a
nanowall.
If
you're
familiar
with
that
company
and
the
reason
there
is
really
to
provide
some
of
that
flexibility.
That
lewis
was
talking
about
that
door
to
the
east
will
serve
now
as
the
main
door
and
it's
it's
accessible.
L
Moving
up
to
the
second
floor,
there's
kind
of
a
central
hallway
and
then
off
of
that.
There's
that
open
office,
which
goes
all
the
way
up
to
the
top
of
the
hail
off
to
the
cupola
at
the
top
and
then
there's
two
individual
offices
which
are
existing
rooms,
we're
not
changing
any
of
the
wall.
Layouts
on
the
second
floor
bumping
a
little
bit
out,
so
we
can
provide
exhaust
from
those
first
floor,
restrooms,
but
otherwise
adding
a
little
kitchenette.
L
L
L
The
windows
are
all
boarded
up
right
now,
but
we
think
that
all
the
original
double
hungs
are
in
place.
They're,
wood
windows,
our
plan
is,
to
you
know,
just
refurbish
them
so
sand
them
down,
repaint
them,
re-glaze
them
and
add
an
interior
storm
window
for
some
thermal
insulation,
otherwise
they're
just
single
pane,
old
school
wood
windows
and
they
leak
pretty
badly.
L
The
masonry
is
in
generally
pretty
good
condition.
There's
some
spot.
Repointing
that'll
have
to
be
done.
It's
lime
based
mortar,
so
we'll
be
sure
to
use
that
we're
proposing
a
gentle
cleaning
because
there's,
as
you
can
kind
of
see
here,
there's
a
grime
on
the
building
and
we
just
want
to
clean
it
up.
It'll,
be
very
gentle
and
brushed
and
washed
using
water,
no
sand,
blasting
or
anything.
Obviously,.
L
L
It's
sitting
there
on
the
ground,
so
I
think
we
can
just
reinstall
it
and
those
have
already
been
seismically
upgraded.
So
it's
you
know.
If,
if
that
hadn't
happened,
they
might
have
just
toppled
over
like
the
ones
at
the
mansion,
at
least
one
of
the
mansions
at
at
one
of
the
chimneys
that
the
mansions
completely
collapsed
and
the
other
you
have
have
obvious
damage
too
so
stone
detailing.
L
As
kelsey
said,
one
of
the
sills
that's
pictured
here
we
feel,
is
beyond
repair,
so
we're
going
to
try
to
replace
it
in
kind
with
a
similar
stone.
The
other
ones
we
think
are
repairable
in
place.
They're
either
spalling
a
little
bit
or
just
flaking,
which
is
repairable
by
a
masonry:
restoration,
specialist,
roof,
soffit
and
medallions.
Those
are
in
generally
good
shape,
so
we're
gonna,
repaint
them
we're
gonna.
Do
a
little
bit
of
investigation,
try
to
figure
out
what
color
that
was
all
painted
originally
and
match
that
the
dormers
and
the
cupola.
L
So
here
you
can
see
the
top
cupola
we're
just
going
to
leave
the
venting
in
place
and
put
a
window
behind
it
to
get.
You
know
some
thermal
thermal
insulation
there.
It
was
just
a
passive
ventilation
for
the
hayloft,
but
we
don't
really
want
that
anymore.
So
we're
gonna
fill
it
in
with
a
window
behind
the
venting
some
of
the
exposed
brick
on
the
inside.
L
L
L
L
You
can
do
it
without
the
bottom
track,
so
we'd
be
trying
to
top
mount
it
and
on
the
left
there
you
can
see
kind
of
what
that
detail
looks
like
it
might
take
some
structural
maneuvering
up
above,
but
the
idea
would
be
to
re-affix
the
bead
board,
that's
kind
of
in
that
soffit.
Now,
as
you
can
see
in
this
detail
where
they
have
chipboard,
so
the
only
kind
of
effect
on
that
soffit
would
be
just
in
the
in
the
width
of
that
track.
L
So
we
feel
like
the
shadow
line
from
that
16
inch
recess
will
still
convey
the
sense
of
kind
of
an
open
air
even
when
it's
closed,
and
then
you
can
see
on
the
right
when
it's
open,
it'll
feel
roughly
like
it
does
now,
and
that
whole
system
will
kind
of
pocket
behind
the
masonry
there
on
the
west
side
of
the
opening,
the
store
front
will
be
permanently
in
place
on
the
east
elevation.
There.
L
So
it'll
be
clear:
clear,
glass,
one-inch
insulated
glazing
units.
The
right
is
kind
of
a
little
mock-up
of
the
storefront
system.
It
won't
be
that
that
aluminum,
finish
it'll
be
a
darker
bronze.
I
just
can't
really
find
a
good
good
picture
of
it.
It'll
look.
You
know
black.
Basically,
this
is
the
graffiti
system
that
the
city
generally
uses
on
their
buildings.
It's
been
really
effective
in
the
past,
including
recently
at
the
city
county
building.
L
L
So
here's
from
the
southeast
corner
just
wanted
to
point
out.
Well
so
the
roof's
in
good
condition,
you
can
see
the
cupola
here
pretty
well
and
also
in
contrast
to
what
kelsey
was
saying
we
met
with
our
mechanical.
We
are
actually
not
going
to
put
a
louver
into
any
of
the
of
the
dormer
windows.
Those
will
just
be
restored
as
windows,
and
here
you
can
kind
of
see
the
chimney
where
that
arch
fell
off
in
the
earthquake.
L
So
we'll
restore
that
to
its
former
glory,
and
this
is
also
an
image
you
can
see
here
kind
of
around
the
large
window
in
the
bay.
You
can
see
some
cracking
in
the
mortar
along
the
top
of
the
header.
Here
you
can
see
some
cracking
that
was
all
earthquake
damage,
so
the
city's
taking
care
of
that
under
insurance
claim
as
part
of
a
separate
project,
but
we'll
help
guide
them
and
make
sure
that
you
know
they're
using
materials
that
everyone's
comfortable
with
and
with
that.
That
is
our
presentation.
A
H
Robert,
I
don't
know
if
this
is
an
appropriate
time,
but
I
guess
I
want
to
jump
in
early.
I
I
just
want
to
check
with
the
city
about
potential
conflicts,
I'm
just
to
be
100
sure.
The
firm
that
I
work
for
is
involved
in
some
nature,
centers
that
are
in
the
process
of
being
designed
in
other
areas
along
the
jordan
river.
H
I
didn't,
as
I
was
reading
through
this
material.
You
know
over
the
last
few
days.
I
didn't
think
that
there
was
a
conflict.
The
only
thing
that
kind
of
made
me
question.
That
was
just
thinking
about
how
there
was
the
boat
ramps,
and
so
I
just
want
to
be
100
sure
that
there's
no
conflict
with
me
giving
any
kind
of
input
on
this
project.
M
A
L
A
L
That's
kind
of
the
million
dollar
question
this
particular
product
that
we
put
in
there
that
the
city
general
uses.
I
think
it
would
create
a
sheen,
and
there
are
that
said
there
are,
I
think,
other
products
that
we
could
try
that
have
been
used
in
similar
municipal
historic
preservation,
efforts
on
stone
that
got
better
reviews.
So,
if
I
guess
my
my
idea
would
be,
we
try
a
few
of
them
out,
we
put
them
on
an
inconspicuous
part
of
the
wall.
A
L
Yeah
and
that's
definitely
it's
not
a
very
shiny,
brick
right
now.
It's
it's
pretty
dull
and
we
want
to.
We
want
to
maintain
that
yeah
and
another
consideration
is
like
the
next
day.
It
might
look
great,
but
some
of
these
over
time
will
get
uv,
uvl,
effectum
or
the
elements
will
affect
them
in
other
ways
and
they
can
discolor
over
time.
So
we
would
really
want
to
do
our
our
due
diligence
to
make
sure
that
that's
not
going
to
happen.
H
L
Yeah
and
I
sent
to
kelsey
last
night,
I
sent
a
product
that
I
found
there's
a
project
in
austin
texas,
that
was
in
an
under
pasta,
limestone
or
sandstone.
So
it
gets
tagged
all
the
time
and
they
put
a
product
on
there.
That
was
more
of
organic,
more
organically
faith,
and
they
said
it
that,
and
I
can't
remember
that
specific
product
both
looked
best
when
they
put
it
on,
and
so
it
made
it
the
easiest
to
take
the
graffiti
coating
and
also
easiest
to
reapply.
A
D
G
So,
as
the
west
side
representative
sincerosio
isn't
here
tonight,
thank
you
for
this
project,
literally
ride
by
it
like
twice
a
week
with
my
kids
on
bikes.
This
is
an
amazing
spot
and
I
run
a
non-profit
on
the
west
side.
That's
a
music-based
presenting
organization.
So
thank
you
for
a
performance
space
love
everything
about
it,
I'm
just
gonna
gush.
I
have
what
is
gonna
be
done
with
the
main
house,
the
this
is
gorgeous,
but
that
main
house
will
be
even
more
difficult.
K
K
You
know
I
think
in
in
short,
we
we
don't
know,
but
other
than
that.
I
think
we
want
to
do
our
best.
To
kind
of
you
know,
button
up
the
mansion
make
sure
it
looks
as
presentable
as
possible
from
the
outside
and
then
try
to
commit
ourselves
to
working
to
working
with
the
community
to
come
up
with
a
well-accepted
vision
for
the
activation
of
the
fisher
mansion
and
then
find
funding
for
that
and
we
we
are.
K
We
intend
to
seek
a
little
bit
of
funding
from
the
city
in
this
next
budget.
Amendment
funding
cycle
to
fund
a
community
visioning
process
and,
and
then
out
of
that
we
would
hope
to
have
at
least
some
renderings
and
some
rough
costs
that
we
could
use
to
go
fundraise.
So
so
I
guess
that
you
know
at
the
end
of
the
day.
G
K
And
there
was
some
other
events
as
well,
and
there
was
no
fencing
put
up
around
the
mansion
for
those
and
we
didn't
have
any
issues,
so
I'm
not
sure
that
the
fencing
is
necessary
and
once
the
masonry
repairs
are
made
to
the
mansion
to
take
care
of
the
earthquake
damage
to
the
chimneys.
I
anticipate
that
there
wouldn't
really
be
a
safety
issue
with
having
people
walk
around
the
mansion,
as
they
were
already
doing
before.
The
earthquake.
G
Well
and
then
the
final
thing
is:
if
I
could
just
advocate
as
a
west
side
resident,
can
we
have
some
really
creative
bike
parking
please.
This
is
like
a
deal
for
us
to
bike
up
to,
and
I
would
love
it
if
there
was
a
way
for
me
to
safely
west
side
bike
theft
is
a
huge
thing.
I
don't
ride
my
bike,
many
places
because
of
it.
If
we
could
have
something
really
progressive
where
bikes
could
be
parked,
that
would
be
like
it
would
make
it
a
destination.
Man.
K
However,
once
the
boat
ramp
project
is
complete,
this
fall
it'll
be
much
easier
and
we're
hoping
this
is
one
of
one
of
four
primary
access
points
to
the
jordan
river
right
right
now,
the
only
formal
boat
ramp
access
in
salt
lake
city
is
at
17th
south
adjacent
to
what
was
the
seven
peaks
water
park
and
when
we're
done
with
our
our
projects,
this
fall
we'll
have
three
additional
ramps.
One
will
be
located
here
at
the
fisher
mansion.
H
I
have,
I
guess,
maybe
a
final
question
regarding
the
repair
work
on
the
sills.
If
I,
if
I
could
ask
just
maybe
some
clarification
on
that
with
the
with
the
sills,
the
material
that
it
is,
the
proposed
material
to
do
the
repairs,
would
that
require
any
kind
of
any
kind
of
metal
like
l,
channel,
framing
or
anything
in
there
or
what?
What
is
the
approach
that
is
being
proposed
for
the
repairs
there.
L
H
L
L
I
don't
know
what
variety
of
sandstone
it
is.
I
don't
think
it's
cuyun
sandstone,
which
is
redder,
I
think,
but
I'm
kind
of
shooting
off
the
cuff
here,
but
the
hope
would
be
we'd
get
a
mason
in
to
do
some
of
this
earthquake
repairs
and
we
kind
of
picked
their
brain
a
little
bit
on
on
the
repairs
of
the
rest
of
the
building,
while
they're
there
to
help
us
design
design.
The
masonry
restoration.
H
A
You
know
I've
been
involved
in
a
number
of
these
studies
over
the
last
few
years
and
we've
often
had
lots
to
say
john,
but
this
my
perspective,
there's
just
not
a
lot
to
say
here.
You've
got
this
is
an
excellent
project.
It's
well
conceived.
It
looks
like
you're
going
in
the
direction
you'd
have
you
need
to
go
in
and
it's
like
a
wonderful
direction.
So
I
don't.
I
don't
have
anything
else.
If
any
other
commissioners
have
any
other
input
for
or
the
applicant,
please
speak
up.
F
I
I
would
only
say
that
I
hope
that
the
the
city
does
find
some
funds
for
a
visioning
session
with
the
community.
You
know
once
this
building
is
done.
It's
just
going
to
make
the
dimension
look
even
sadder,
and
I'm
hoping
that
that
you
know
a
true
good
function
like
what
you
found
here
can
be
found
for
the
the
mansion
as
well.
F
A
We're
now
going
to
turn
to
our
last
item,
which
is
the
quince
new
construction
over
where
bishop's
place.
We've
of
course
dealt
with
this
numerous
times.
The
last
couple
years
on
on
the
on
the
railroad
sheds
that
were
taken
down
and
some
houses-
and
I
don't
know
if
they've
been
taken
down
yet,
but
we're
going
to
turn
the
time
over
to
lex
who's
here,
to
talk
to
us
from
the
city
and
the
and
the
applicants
are
here
too
so
lex
will
turn
the
time
over
to
you.
N
N
N
N
What
you
would
consider
to
be
the
historic
context,
things
of
that
nature,
if
you
could
talk
a
little
bit
about
that,
in
addition
to
the
massing,
the
scale,
the
historic
appropriateness,
the
building
materials,
the
articulation
the
design,
etc
and
so
forth
in,
in
addition
to
design
the
design
modifications
that
have
been
done
since
the
february
work
session.
The
applicant
at
this
point
is
also
requesting
one
more
special
exception
for
some
additional
building
height
on
several
of
the
units
on
the
interior
of
the
block
and
we'll.
N
N
That
they
wanted
to
address
tonight,
questions
concerning
the
color
scheme,
the
materials,
the
activation
of
the
courtyard,
the
streetscape,
the
rear
yard
setback
and
in
terms
of
whether
it's
appropriate
and
maybe
pushing
that
back
further.
So
you
could
have
more
of
a
backyard
and
they
kind
of
want
to
get
to
a
a
better
understanding
of
whether
or
not
they're
closer
to
a
design
and
product.
N
That
is
something
that
you
can
support
tonight
we
have
the
applicant
here
paul
garbette,
who
represents
garbett
homes
as
well
as
their
architecture,
architect,
tyler
kirk,
and
with
that,
unless
you
have
questions
of
me,
I'm
going
to
turn
the
time
over
to
the
applicant
to
talk
about
their
design.
At
this
point.
A
Lex,
I
would
be
interested
in
what
and
maybe
a
little
more
clarity
from
you
before
they
speak
about
what
you
meant
by
historical
context,
in
terms
of
what
your
your
feelings,
their
opinion,
you're,
the
staff
person.
That's
looked
at
this
and
more
familiar
with
how
that's
defined
to
store
what
what
that
means
in
your
mind,
as
a
member
of
the
staff
well,.
N
I
think
that
there
was
some
discussion
in
the
last
work
session
that,
in
my
mind,
alluded
to
the
fact
that,
even
though
those
buildings
may
be
gone,
that
is
still
the
historic
context
and-
and
that's
that's
a
valid
perspective
too.
You
know.
Typically,
I
think,
when
we
think
about
historic
context.
We
think
about
the
the
streetscape
we
think
about
the
immediate
vicinity
and
we
think
about
the
historic
district
as
a
whole
and
so
we're
dealing
with
a
little
bit
different
animal
here,
we're
not
dealing
with
one
house.
N
That's
gone
out
of
a
particular
streetscape
we're
talking
about
all
the
houses
along
a
particular
street,
and
I
guess
I
was
thinking
thinking
about
that
being
more,
that
that
particular
historic
context
would
would
essentially
be
eliminated,
and
I
think
that
there
was
maybe
some
misunderstanding
with
some.
Some
talk
from
that
previous
work
session
that
maybe
we
could
discuss
a
little
bit
further
so
that
everybody
is
clear
about
what
the
historic
context
really
means
and
whether
or
not
even
though
those
those
homes
are
gone,
does
that
still
constitute
the
historic
context.
M
M
We
are
going
to
name
this
community
bishop
place
so
that
that
that
name
continues
on.
It
was
something
that
we
heard
from
from
residents
and
we
feel
there's
value
in
keeping
that
name.
But
what
we're
looking
at
here
is
the
this.
The
configuration
of
this
project
is
a
little
bit
different
than
maybe
your
standard
standard,
one
where
the
bulk
of
this
is
located
within
the
interior
of
this
block.
M
Obviously,
any
new
development
is
going
to
be
a
disruptor,
but
as
far
as
the
street
streetscape
by
containing
by
making
that
as
as
seamless
as
possible,
we're
containing
kind
of
the
changes
into
the
interior.
That
will
have
less
of
an
impact
on
emit
on
the
pedestrian
interaction,
the
vehicular
interaction
and
we
believe,
we'll
blend
much
much
better.
With
with
the
surrounding
streetscape
block
and
the
historic
district.
M
M
M
M
European
type
feel
where
cars
can
go
on
there,
but
you
also
feel
comfortable
walking
on
it
that
was
kind
of
our
solution.
An
idea
that
we
had
to
activate
the
courtyard
so
that
it
becomes
an
amenity
and
is
not
simply
a
driveway.
We
have
benches
in
front
of
of
each
of
these
buildings
in
the
rear
part
of
the
courtyard
lights
and
just
trying
to
activate
this
space
so
that
we
can
get
greater
foster
a
greater
sense
of
community
within
within
the
development.
M
So
here's
the
latest
version
that
we
have
of
of
the
the
unit
facing
300
west.
You
know
some
of
the
comments
that
we
got
from
the
last
work
session
was
pay
close
attention
to
the
front
edge
along
300
west.
There
needs
to
be
more
street
relevance,
multiplicity
of
colors,
more
connection
to
the
ground
and
the
neighborhood
on
later
slides.
I
have
some
comparisons
of
what
it
used
to
look
like
and
what
we've
come
to
now,
but
we
feel
that
this
you
know
elongated
porch,
both
on
the
lower
level
and
above,
create
greater
symmetry.
M
You
know
from
the
last
work
session
we
heard
that
we
need
them.
We
need
more
individuality.
We
need
to
preserve
kind
of
that
sense
of
quirkiness
that
that
you
can
find
in
the
marmalade
district
and
in
this
district
as
well,
and
here
we're
in
introducing
more
vibrant,
colorful
colors,
along
with
a
greater
variety
architecture.
M
M
You
know
space
to
breathe,
foster
a
sense
of
community
again
by
increasing
the
height,
we're
able
to
set
back
those
buildings
and
open
up
the
space.
Give
some
breathing
room
make
it
a
place
that
people
will
want
to
gather
and-
and
I
think
that
we've
definitely
made
improvements
from
our
last
version-
variation
in
forms
and
heights
and
facades
places
to
relax
and
interact
each
of
each
of
these
units
have
these
outdoor
balconies,
but
also
in
the
front.
M
You
have
amenities
that
encourage
greater
interaction
and
greater
activation
of
the
street
more
connected
to
the
ground,
preserved,
charm
and
quirkiness,
and
you
know
again,
that's
that's.
What
we're
trying
to
do
is
just
add
more
variety.
We,
you
know,
I
think
our
last
version
definitely
was
very
monotonous
and
I
feel
we've
done.
We've
come
quite
a
long
ways
and
just
breaking
that
up
and
creating
a
space
that
is,
is
attractive
to
residents
and
where
they
would,
you
know,
not
only
view
it
as
a
driveway
but
as
a
as
an
amenity.
You
know,
I
think
this.
M
M
One
thing
to
note
is
that
we
we
deliberately
wanted
to
keep
that
extra
height
contained
to
the
interior
of
the
courtyard
so
as
to
not
introduce
it
right
up
in
your
face
right
along
300
west.
So
where
you
see
that
is
here
behind
the
existing
office
building,
that's
the
first
place
where
we
introduce
the
additional
height
that
is
about
150
feet
into
the
interior
from
the
street.
M
I
think
the
thought
with
that
is
that
it
gives
enough
space
to
transition
so
that
it's
not
overwhelming
and
jarring
to
the
to
the
pedestrian
or
to
the
or
to
the
you
know,
the
driver.
The
viewer
here
are
the
different
materials
that
we're
using
kind
of
taking
cues
from
what
exists
in
the
neighborhood
in
this
district.
Brick,
wood,
siding.
M
M
M
M
M
And
then
just
some
comparisons
of
where
we
were
and
where,
where
we're
at
today,
you
can
see
on
our
previous
submittal
kind
of
the
whole
orientation
of
the
front
door
was
off
to
the
side.
I
think
our
current
iteration
is
much
more
balanced.
Symmetrical
clearly
is
you
know
pedestrian
oriented
towards
300
west?
I
think
it
has
a
much
greater
symmetry
with
what's
currently
there.
M
A
H
B
A
D
D
H
H
Yes,
but
to
start
off
the
one
thing
I
do
have
to
say
that
I
appreciate
the
changes
as
far
as
like
trying
to
individualize
the
the
units.
I
think
that
was
probably
a
big
point
of
contention
that
we
had
the
one.
The
one
thing
that
really
stands
out
to
me,
though,
with
the
new
design
when
thinking
of
a
historical
concept
is
the
the
scandinavian
style
of
the
game,
the
gabe
gable
roofings.
H
You
know
the
historical
context
and
like
just
one
modification
that
seems
to
come
to
mind
just
right
off
the
bat
is
that
maybe,
instead
of
having
that
you
know
that
scandinavian,
you
know
the
the
walls,
the
the
side
walls
instead
of
that
maybe
a
column,
you
know,
and
that
might
give
it
more
of
that
traditional
sort
of
historical
look.
I
guess
that's
probably
the
one
thing
that
jumped
out
first,
but
I'm
really
interested
to
hear
what
victoria
has
to
say.
G
G
There
was
at
least
one
fedora
in
the
rendering,
which
is
super
marmalade,
but
that
that
guy
has
his
pants
are
way
too
wide,
like
we're
still
in
skinny
jeans.
So
we
should
fix
that.
But
but
outside
of
that,
like
I
love
it,
it
almost
has
like
a
park
city
feel
to
me.
You
know
it
feels
like
something
from
a
kimball
junction
or
something
brought
down,
and
it
has
that
kind
of
like
I
have
leisure
time
and
I'm
spending
it
with
the
people
who
live
near
me,
and
I
really
love
it.
G
G
That
is
there,
but
I
think
this
honors
the
ethos
that
was
that
bishop
place
development,
which
is
you
know,
a
functional
living
space
that
also
promotes
a
social
living
experience,
and
I
would
be
inclined
to
be
okay
with
the
setbacks
and
with
the
height
exemptions,
because
I
think
number
one,
the
space
is
functionally
used
and
the
height
doesn't
bother
me
because
all
of
marmalade
is
upward
right
now
it
is
surrounded
by
the
library.
Developments
are
all
super
tall,
so
I
don't.
The
height
doesn't
bother
me,
so
I
feel
for
projects
like
this.
F
I
I
can
comment
as
well.
I
was
there
in
february
and
the
notion
of
you
know
the
questions
that
were
asked
about
massing
scale,
appropriateness,
materials.
You
know,
building
articulation
and
compatibility
with
adjacent.
I
think
this
is
a
very
good
step,
a
big
step
forward.
You
know
just
in
terms
of
the
massing
looking
at
the
rendering
down
down
below
you
know,
there's
it
they
don't
all
look
the
same
they're,
not
all
the
same
color.
You
know
there's
in
and
out
up
and
down.
F
You
know
I
like
that
and
then-
and
you
know,
the
scale
is-
is
appropriate.
You
know
some
are
shorter,
some
are
taller
and
victoria,
like
you,
I
don't
mind
the
height
variation,
because
it's
in
the
middle.
I
I
specifically
drove
around
this
this
site
and
and
this
big
block-
and
this
is
you
know
this
is
again.
This
is
a
product
of
salt
lake,
big
blocks.
What
do
you
do
in
the
middle
of
the
block
and
and
what
what's
been
done
on
the
middle
of
this
walk?
And
you
know
think
about
it?
F
There's,
there's
commercial
to
the
west
a
little
bit
to
the
south.
There's
residential
and
apartments
to
the
south
and
to
the
east.
You've
got
the
church
parking
to
to
the
north,
so
this
is
a
a
little
enclave
in
the
middle
of
the
block,
and-
and
I
love
that
that
you're
you're
you're,
trying
and
attempting
you
know
with
the
making
the
streets
something
more
than
just
an
alley
to
get
to
your
garage
and-
and
that's
that's-
that's
well
done.
F
You
know
the
notion
of
having
the
lights
of
having
kids
out
there
in
play
and
that
this
is
your
neighborhood.
You
know
people
that
live
here,
I
think,
are
going
to
drive
slowly
because
there's
kids
out
there
and
they're
you
know
going
to
their
houses.
I
I
will
just
say
paul
well
done.
Thank
you
very
much.
H
M
M
H
H
F
F
You
know
different
kinds
of
lights,
and
I
and
I
would
think
that
that
you
know
if,
if
there
was
some
playfulness
in
in
how
the
gable
was
was
terminated,
maybe
some
of
them
would
have
brackets.
Some
of
them
would
just
have
overhangs.
Some
of
them
could
stay.
You
know
with
the
kind
of
the
scandinavian
look,
but
that
there
was
a
little
bit
of
playfulness
in
that
as
well.
F
I
think
that
would
would
add
to
which
you
know
the
the
individual
nature
of
what
you're
you're
showing
along
the
street
and
just
break
it
up,
so
that
it's
not
you
know
a
b,
a
b,
a
b.
You
know
it
would
in
which
you've
done
a
great
job
with
don't
get
me
wrong,
but
I
think
just
just
one
more
step
and
I
think
then
it
would
be
a
home
run.
H
M
Okay,
yeah,
I
think
that's
definitely
something
that
we
can
we
can
play
around
with.
You
know.
I
think
we
mentioned
in
our
last
work
session,
but
kind
of
the
ideas
too.
A
lot
of
the
existing
structures
have
kind
of
that.
Gabled
look
to
them.
We're
trying
to
echo
that
in
this
design,
I
think
you
bring
up
some
good
points.
I
think
yeah
there's
definitely
some
some
things
that
we
could
play
around
with
on
that.
N
Can
I
jump
in
here
and
bring
up
a
point
that
we've
we've
raised
in
our
memo
about
the
windows
and
particularly
the
windows
and
those
labels?
You've
got
but
they're,
showing
like
side
by
side,
single
double
hung
windows
and
they
the
the
solid
to
void
ratio
in
that
bothers
me
a
little
bit.
Any
comment
on
that.
M
A
Well,
let
me
paul,
let
me
push
back
on
you
a
little
bit
on
that
or
just
a
question,
a
question,
because
I've
often
since
I've
been
on
the
commission,
I've
been
a
little
intrigued
on
how
often
approved
really
modern
buildings
going
in
houses
going
in
the
place
of
of
other
ones,
and
I've
often
wondered
it
didn't
feel
historic
to
me
at
all.
But
but
but
I
guess,
I'm
not
I'm
not
an
architect
for
sure
by
background
and
it
seems
like
it's
been
pretty
standard
practice
to
have
it
look.
B
Well,
I
think
you're
misunderstanding
me:
I'm
I'm
one
of
the
most
the
strongest
advocate
for
modern
architecture
that
gels
well
with
the
historic
surroundings.
I
it's
not
the
modernism
of
the
buildings
that
bothers
me
at
all.
It's
the
the
whole
idea
that
we're
taking
a
historic
street
that
had
something
like
11
or,
I
think,
11
structures
on
it,
most
of
which
were
single
family
and
we're
replacing
it
with
just
a
huge
row
of
townhouses.
B
G
Correct
me,
if
I'm
wrong,
though
the
street
that
we're
talking
about
the
one
that
actually
cuts
through
bishop
place
is
a
private
street,
that's
not
a
city
maintained
street
correct,
so
wouldn't
the
ordinance
be.
If
that's
true,
if
I'm
correct
in
that,
then
wouldn't
the
ordinance
be
reflecting
be
referring
to
the
streetscape
from
300
west.
Is
that.
H
So
paul
I'd
actually
like
to
ask,
because
you
brought
up
a
good
that
is
kind
of
one
of
my
hesitations.
I
I
thought
a
lot
about
the
streetscape
and
also
how
that
reflects
onto
the
street,
but
another
big
part
of
that
that
we
talked
a
lot
about
when
this
came
up
last
time
was
about
the
density
and
we,
you
know,
discussed
why
that
was
necessary,
but
you
know
thinking
at
least
about
the
the
third
west
streetscape.
H
I
you
know
looking
I'm
actually
looking
at
the
photo
of
the
structure.
That's
there
right
now
and
thinking
again
about
my
comments
about
that.
You
know
again
those
side,
walls
that
kind
of
scandinavian
look
where
I
think
that,
as
far
as
the
streetscape,
they
were
able
to
you
know
kind
of
give
a
nod
to
what
was
there
other
than
that,
then
those
sidewalls
of
the
scandinavian
look,
I
I'm
curious
you
know
is-
is
this
is
your
opinion,
a
matter
of
the
density
and
the
lack
of
green
scape?
B
B
G
B
H
I
I
have
to
say
that
again
just
thinking
back
to
the
february
meeting,
I
think
that
was
a
big
part
of
what
we
all
discussed,
and
you
know
that
we
were
sort
of
all
rooting
for
a
little
bit
more
community
space
and
to
that
point
I
think
that
there
are
some
improvements
to
this
design
for
community
space
and
yard
space
and
the
you
know
front
living
space.
The
last
design
there
was
pretty
much.
H
I
remember
somebody
made
a
comment
about
how
you
just
pull
into
the
garage
you
go
in
your
home
and
you
never
see
your
neighbors
there's
a
little
more
fill,
but
I
do
have
to
say
that
actually,
that
is
one
thing
that
that
kind
of
sticks
out
to
me
that
to
this
design,
especially
on
the
slide
that
we're
looking
at
right
now
there
are
benches,
but
there's
no,
your
front
yard
space.
There's
no,
you
know,
there's
the
you
know,
there's
not
a
lot
of
community
space.
H
I
don't
know
you
know,
I
don't
know
if
we're
able
to
discuss
density-
or
you
know,
community
space.
In
that
sense,
sometimes
green
space
has
been
shot
down
in
other
previous
meetings,
but
I
I
do
have
to
say
that
that
is
one
point
that
really
stuck
out
to
me
and
I
I
I
hesitated
to
bring
it
up
until
you
guys
are
talking
about
it.
H
M
So
yeah,
so,
if
I
may
one
of
the
you
know
this
angle
does
show
you
know
we
are
trying
to
preserve,
create
as
much
green
space
as
the
in
the
front
as
we
possibly
can.
We
have
about
10
feet
in
the
backyards
on
on
most
of
the
almost
on
all
the
units
some
have
more
and
we
went
through
the
kind
of
the
exercise
of.
M
If
you
walk
back
there,
you'll
see
everyone
has
a
barbecue
there.
Everyone
has,
you
know
five
or
six
chairs
that
they
that
are
permanently
set
up
there
on
a
weekend
night,
it's
not
uncommon
to
see
half
of
the
residents
hanging
out
in
their
backyards
and
gathering
together
across
you
know
across
the
boundaries
in
their
backyard.
M
So
to
me,
based
on
my
experience,
I
think
it
is
it's
very
valuable
to
maintain
that
green
space.
In
the
back,
it
also
creates
kind
of
a
sense
of
maybe
that's
your
your
private
backyard,
but
it's
easy
to
kind
of
cross
over
and
meet
with
your
neighbors
in
the
front.
You
know
we
definitely
have
you
know,
constraints
that
we're
dealing
with,
but
for
with
the
lack
of
green
space.
M
It's
their
driveway
they're,
fiercely
protective
of
making
sure
that
everyone
respects
that
and
drives
slowly
and
I
I
really
do
believe
that
it
will
become
a
valuable
amenity
to
kind
of
circle
back
to
some
of
paul's
comments.
I
think
the
way
that
we're
looking
at
this
is
that
you
know
the
historical
context
based
on
the
approval
for
demolition
shifts
to
more
of
the
streetscape
along
300
west.
M
M
And,
and
going
back
to
the
site
plan,
you
know
we
do
have
you
have
those
front
porches
above
the
and
in
between
the
buildings.
I
think
you
know
an
improvement.
I'm
seeing
right
now
that
we
could
easily
make,
is
maybe
some
community
garden
space
room
to
plant
large
shade,
giving
trees
in
the
backs
and
even
in
some
areas
in
the
front.
So
you
know
it's
something
that
we're
definitely
aware
of
and
trying
to
be
sensitive
to.
H
If
there's
looking
at
the
scale
of
the
site
plan
we're
looking
at-
and
I
think
that
paul
might
have
mentioned-
that
paul
garbett
might
have
mentioned
that
you
know
10
feet
of
backyard
space
is
an
allow
or
you
know,
a
sufficient
amount
of
set
back
into
that
backyard
space
to
create
front
yard
space
that
creates
a
real
usable
sense
of
front
yard.
This
is
definitely
an
improvement
over
the
last
design,
but
just
looking
at
renderings,
it
just
seems
so
you
know.
M
M
Yeah,
so
I
think
that's
a
fair,
you
know
that's
a
fair
assessment
of
the
site.
Once
again,
you
know
I
can
speak
to
my
experience
that
that
that
backyard
space
really
is
a
valuable
amenity
for
for
residents,
and
you
know
everything
on
this
site
is
a
series
of
trade-offs
and
if
we
did
move
the
buildings
back,
I
think
what
you
create
are
I
don't
know
if
you
add
that
much
green
space,
but
you
do
create
longer
sidewalks
longer
driveways.
H
So,
just
to
add
to
that
and
just
kind
of
again
looking
at
the
site
map
that
we're
all
looking
at
right
now,
you
know
we
have
these
pockets
of
green
space
that
we
would,
I
guess,
consider
community
space.
You
know
what
sort
of
delineation
would
be
used
to
separate.
Is
there
a
plan
for
again
you
kind
of
mentioned,
treat
you
know,
planting
trees
or
fen?
M
Yeah,
typically,
what
what
we
do
is
kind
of
a
at
the
you
know
in
between
each
unit,
we'll
do
kind
of
a
small
divider
fence.
That's
you
know
a
couple
three
or
four
feet
long,
so
it
gives
a
little
bit
of
privacy
but
you're
able
to
walk
completely
along
the
length
of
the
backyard
right.
So
it
gives
a
little
bit
of
a
screen,
but
it's
it
does
leave
it
open
to
to
you
know,
walking
around
the
building
and
having
access
to
that.
M
To
that
backyard
space
I
mean
in
our
hoa
developments
every
basically
everything
outside
of
your
front
door
and
your
back
door
is
is
shared
community
space,
and
I
think
that's
something
that
we
could
you
know,
maybe
in
our
next
meeting,
is,
is
do
a
better
job
of
showing
exactly
what
we're
planning
here.
I
think
you
know.
Community
gardens
would
be
great
if
you
drive
through
our
development.
Now
you'll
see
gardens
that
people
planted
on
their
front
porches
in
planter
boxes.
M
N
A
N
H
H
Yeah,
I
mean,
I
think,
maybe
you
know,
sort
of
what
mike
was
discussing
a
little
bit
earlier,
maybe
different
uses
of
you
know
brackets,
maybe
or
different.
You
know
like
maybe
using
a
column
instead
of
that
side
wall,
something
along
those
lines
that
that
to
me
I
think
at
least
me
personally.
That
has
really
jumped
out
to
me
since
the
first
time
I
looked
at
that
at
the
schematic
designs
that
it
just
really
jumps
out
to
me
as
that
that
aspect
of
it
is
very
different
than
any
of
the
surrounding
any
anything.
H
F
F
You've
made
the
notion
and
you've
made
the
direction
of
trying
to
create
a
community
here
that
somewhat
replicates
what
was
there,
the
feeling
that
was
there
and
I'm
wondering
if,
if
there
might
not
be
a
halfway
measure
of
starting
with
where
those
the
really
really
large
you
know
dozen
trees
are
and
and
having
that
be,
the
the
focus
of
the
community
to
paul's
comment
earlier
of.
You
know
that
this
doesn't
you
know
this
doesn't
replicate
in
any
way
shape
or
form.