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Historic Landmarks Commission Meeting - 03/05/2020
A
A
A
Have
a
motion
in
a
second:
we
can
do
this
in
a
general
voice,
vote
all
favor
of
approving
them.
Six
minutes,
please
say
hi
hi,
any
opposed
minutes
are
approved.
I
have
nothing
to
report.
As
the
chair,
Vice
Chair
is
not
present,
so
I.
Apparently
he
has
nothing
to
report
either.
Anything
from
staff
today.
C
I'm,
you
have
a
few
short
items.
The
first
is
that
just
heads
up
that
be
some
of
you
may
remember.
We
had
the
minor
alteration
application
that
dealt
with
painted
brick
over
on
300
North
and
that
minor
alteration
application
was
denied
by
the
HLC
and
it
was
appealed
by
the
applicant
and
just
recently,
the
appeals
hearing
officer
upheld
a
Chelsea's
decision
on
that.
Basically
stating
that
the
Commission's
decision
was
supported
by
your
your
findings,
so
just
wanted
to
make
you
aware
of
that.
Excuse.
C
And
then
another
thing
just
to
quickly
make
you
where
we
we've
had
a
couple,
and
recently
we
had
a
request
for
an
extension
of
a
previous
approval
and
when
one
of
the
reasons
for
that
was
issues
related
to
the
fire
code
in
the
Building
Code,
which
the
city
has
had
a
number
of
issues
with
mr.
Roemer
had
actually
mentioned
that
that
same
night
in
a
public
comment
period
and
just
to
kind
of
let
the
Commission
know
that
the
planning
director
has
been
working
with
a
number
of
stakeholders.
C
One
of
the
most
important
ones
is
the
fire
department
in
amending
the
trying
to
attempting
to
amend
the
Building
Code
as
it
relates
to
the
fire
code,
and
it's
really
related
to
the
aerial
fire.
Access
road
is
one
of
the
things
that
we're
working
on
now
not
to
go
into
too
much
detail.
But
currently
four
buildings
over
30
feet
in
height.
There
needs
to
be
at
least
one
fire
access
within
15
feet
and
30
feet
of
the
building,
and
the
amendment
to
that
would
be
that
that
still
is
in
place.
C
But
then
there's
other
things
that
you
could
do
to
the
building
and
other
things
that
you
could
do
to
modify
that
requirement.
Pursuant
to
the
fire
department.
The
proposal
went
to
the
Planning
Commission
on
February
26
and
they
forwarded
a
positive
recommendation
on
to
the
City
Council.
If
any
of
you
are
kind
of
in
more
interested
and
those
that
proposal,
please
go
to
the
Planning
Division
website
at
the
February
26
PC
meeting
and
the
staff
report
and
everything
is
in
there
and
then
one
last
comment
is
we
have
hired
a
new
senior
planner.
C
A
D
So
you
could
go
to
the
Preservation
Utah
home
tour,
which
is
in
Salt
Lake
City
this
year
in
the
ninth
and
ninth
community,
and
that
will
be
on
the
25th
of
April
and
it
will
be
all
over
the
preservation,
Utah
website
and
I'm
sure
the
staff
will,
let
you
know
about
that,
and
it
will
feature
both
contemporary
and
historical
homes,
from
what
I
hear
but
I
don't
know
exactly
which
ones
yet
and
then
also
related
to
preservation.
Utah,
there
have
been
some
pop-ups,
the
first
one
was
kind
of
just
I've
died
and
gone
to
heaven.
D
There
was
a
pop
up
for
a
Taylor
Wooley
house
and
since
Peter
Goss
was
writing
a
book
on
Taylor
Willy
who
worked
with
Frank
Lloyd
Wright.
He
decided
to
fly
up
and
join
us
for
our
tour,
so
we
got
to
tour
a
Taylor
whirly
house
in
and
it's
the
south
end
of
sugar
house
with
a
person
writing
the
book
on
Hale.
Really
that
was
pretty
cool.
D
Then
we
got
to
the
PT
Moran
house
on
South
temple,
which
I
have
wanted
to
get
into
for
decades
because
of
its
relationship
to
my
house,
and
we
have
three
more
pop
ups
scheduled
between
now
and
sometime
in
may
so
stay
tuned,
two
of
them
are
mid-century,
modern
and
the
other
one
is
probably
early
20th
century.
So
anyway,
when.
D
A
E
Okay,
good
evening,
okay,
so
Chris
Zurich,
the
project
representative,
is
requesting
the
Commission
approve
for
circular
comms
to
support
the
reinstallation
of
the
historic
canopy,
just
a
little
background,
and
it's
very
similar
to
the
background
given
last
month
since
they
were
similar
approval
timelines.
The
HLC
approved
the
adaptive
reuse
of
enzyme,
floral
on
May
3rd
of
2018,
the
reuse
considered
or
consisted
of
altering
windows
on
the
north,
the
south
and
the
removal
of
additions
on
the
east
and
the
Commission
approved
the
reinstallation
of
that
canopy
as
well.
E
The
canopy
was
supposed
to
be
cantilevered
from
the
west
and
a
portion
of
the
South
elevation,
hey,
so
the
historic
photo
on
the
top
and
then
a
approved
elevation
from
2018,
ok
and
I
know
it's
hard
to
see,
but
these
red
arrows
point
to
the
four
proposed
columns
and
see
the
columns
will
be
approximately
four
inches
in
size.
The
to
accommodate
the
columns.
The
canopy
will
actually
be
increased
by
12
inches
so
that
the
columns
can
connect
to
the
beam
and
not
the
edge
of
the
canopy.
E
A
F
F
So,
if
we
go
as
as
Kelsey
noted,
we,
the
the
original
design
for
the
fourth
canopy,
had
no
columns
out
underneath
and
I.
Think
if
we,
if
we
go
to
the
next
image
here,
the
the
structure
of
the
building
is
we
got
into
it
and
demolished
the
warehouse
that
was
behind
the
commercial
part
of
the
inside
floral
building.
What
we
found
is
that
we
can
go
to
the
next
line.
F
So
you
can
see
a
section
of
that
wall
where,
at
the
close
up
on
the
right
hand,
side
you
can
see
the
where
that
wall
has
been
cut
through
the
bond
beam.
There
is
a
it's
solid,
it
has
been
grouted
and
then
open
cells.
As
you
go
down
the
wall,
that
wall
is
then
supporting
the
concrete
double
tees
on
top,
and
then
you
have
the
parapet,
which
is
uncrowded
block
on
top
of
those
concrete
double
tees
now,
in
order
to
support.
F
F
At
some
point,
the
awning
began
to
fail,
which
I
spoke
to
a
previous
owner,
and
the
failure
was
not
so
much
in
the
steel
angles
as
the
wood
framing
that
was
spanning
between
the
steel
angles,
and
so
the
awning
was
removed
and
cut
off
at
the
steel
angles.
Our
structural
engineer
doesn't
believe
that
there's
a
way
to
weld
onto
those
steel
angles
or
use
them
in
a
way
that
that
would
meet
code
or
support
the
snow
load
on
that
awning.
F
In
order
to
achieve
the
cantilever
in
in
the
awning,
we
had
designed
a
some
steel
beam.
Some
outriggers
that
were
to
come
out
go
through
the
wall,
extend
back
into
the
space,
a
distance.
You
know.
Basically,
two
thirds
of
those
outriggers
would
be
back
on
the
inside
of
the
space,
and
then
they
were
to
be
pinned
to
the
web's
of
the
concrete
double
tees
with
some
straps
I.
Think
if
you
can
go
to
the
next,
so
I've
taken
some
images
of
the
web's
of
the
concrete
double
tees.
F
If
there
was
space
where
we
could
even
pin
through
them,
the
contractors
main
concern
here
is,
if
you
Nick
and
break
one
of
those
cables,
you
can
cause
that
concrete
double
to
you
to
fail
and
it
will
come
down
on
the
workers
who
are
working
on
it.
So
obviously
we're
all
very
concerned
about
making
a
mistake.
The
ground-penetrating
radar
is
fairly
accurate,
but
does
have
a
variance,
and
so
that
was
one
concern.
A
second
concern
was
in
order
to
get
the
awning
at
the
right
hi.
F
We
would
be
penetrating
the
wall
in
the
area
and
through
the
bond
beam,
which
then
weakens
the
bond
beam,
which
we
found
is
really
one
of
only
the
only
pieces
of
structure
in
that
in
that
building
and
doesn't
have
a
whole
lot
of
grout
support
within
the
block.
That's
down
below
it.
So
that's
the
second
concern
the
I
guess,
if
see,
if
we've
got
the
next
one
here,
all
right,
so
the
intent
in
pulling
in
the
columns
then
was
to.
F
By
doing
so,
we
can
support
the
weight
of
the
snow
load
on
that
awning
on
the
outside
and
not
have
to
penetrate
the
building,
and
so
we
have
we'll
have
a
beam.
That's
coming
around
the
outside
of
the
awning.
That
is
supported
by
supported
by
those
columns
and
then
connected
to
a
ledger
that
will
create
up
against
the
building
behind
it.
So
we
won't
have
to
actually
go
through
through
the
wall.
F
The
we
worked
with
staff
on
the
placement
of
those
columns,
I
think
if
you
look
at
the
both
historic
and
the
intended
awning
that
we're
looking
to
create,
it
has
two
ends
an
inside
corner
where
it
turns
to
the
west
at
the
entry
and
then
an
outside
corner
where
it
comes
out
over
the
parking
lot.
As
it
turns
back
north,
the
most
straightforward
way
to
place.
The
columns
would
be
to
put
him
at
the
two
ends
and
put
him
at
the
two
corners.
F
F
F
So
one
of
the
things
that
that
we
did
was
the
the
East
elevation
is
new
and
it's
turning
the
corner
on
the
north
and
south
side,
and
so
that
that
whole
wall
will
be
crowded
completely
completely
solid.
It
will,
on
the
north
side,
it
will
tie
directly
into
a
column.
On
the
south
side,
there
is
a
small
section
of
block
between
the
column
and
the
new
wall,
and
that's
that's
kind
of
based
on
the
where
the
tee
is
the
double
tee
up
above
there
are.
F
We
have
connections
that
we
have
designed
since
finding
the
condition
of
the
building.
We
have
designed
some
connections
at
the
roof
to
tie
the
roof.
Double
tees
to
the
bond
beam
is
right
now
they're,
just
sitting
on
top
of
it
same
at
the
floor.
If,
if
you
were
to
look
at
the
where
the
wall
and
the
floor
and
the
foundation
meet
there,
it's
there
all
just
sitting.
You've
got
the
foundation
wall.
F
So
that,
then,
the
block
up
above
is
half
resting
on
the
on
the
facing
block
and
half
resting
on
the
double
tee
and
so
we're
bringing
in
some
angles
on
the
bottom
side
of
those
double
tees
and
then
pinning
them
into
the
foundation
wall
and
we're
still
looking
for
the
best
solution
that
we
think
we'll
actually
do
with
the
job
to
try
and
tie
the
uncrowded
block
wall
to
the
floor.
And
so
that's
where
we've
got
a
couple
options
here.
F
One
would
be
trying
to
get
some
grout
to
come
down
into
into
the
block
at
that
location.
At
the
floor.
Our
mason
and
contractor
has
some
doubts
about
how
we
might
be
able
to
do
that.
Old
old
CMU
has
three
cells,
as
opposed
to
two
and
they're
offset
and
they're
a
little
concerned
about
how
we're
going
to
actually
get
coverage
through
all
of
those
cells
with
the
grout.
F
A
F
That
is
two
that
the
columns,
the
original
design
had
the
canopy
ending
at
the
same
point
as
the
in
line
with
the
walkway
down
below
and
that
included
a
12
inch
knife
edge.
You
know
essentially
an
angle,
so
there's
kind
of
a
thin
edge
at
the
very
end
of
that
awning.
The
column,
however,
needs
to
come
up
into
the
body
of
the
of
the
awning
and
so
I
guess.
The
decision
was
rather
than
having
the
column
come
down
in
the
walkway
12
inches
in
from
the
edge.
F
F
I
F
Though
we'll
have
an
8
inch,
we'll
have
an
8
inch
depth
and
the
I'd
have
to
go
in
you
know
it's
I
would
have
to
go.
Look
at
that
roof
drainage
plan
to
see
where
that,
where
that
is
planned.
But
yes,
there
should
be
enough
thickness
there
that
we
could
be
able
to
pull
a
drain
down
into
the
structure
and
then
pull
it
to
the
edge.
When
you.
F
A
A
I
A
I
A
B
I'll
do
it
based
on
the
analysis
and
findings
listed
in
the
staff
report.
The
information
presented
in
the
input
received
during
the
public
hearing
I
move
that
the
Commission
approved
petition,
PLN
HLC,
2015,
zero,
zero
37,
a
request
for
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
a
modification
to
the
approved
alterations
to
the
enzyme,
floral
building,
640,
East,
500
south.
A
H
A
E
E
Okay,
so
the
property
owners
of
732,
East,
200
south,
are
requesting
a
major
alteration
and
associated
special
exceptions
in
order
to
construct
a
second-story
addition.
The
addition
is
approximately
1,000
square
feet
in
size
and
ranges
between
25
and
29
feet
in
height,
the
applicant
requests
of
the
work
session
to
discuss
the
application
materials
and
to
receive
input
and
feedback
from
the
Commission
all
right.
The
image
on
the
slide
is
an
aerial
of
the
site.
E
The
contributing
structure
for
discussion
this
evening
is
732
East,
which
is
located
behind
the
main
Freese
mansion,
not
the
freezer
mansion
apologize
about
that
typo.
This
is
an
image
of
the
Freese
mansion
that
fronts
200
South,
the
entire
site
is
noted
in
the
memo
it
was
designated
as
a
local
Historic
Landmark
in
1997.
E
Okay,
the
small
cottage
structure
located
to
the
rear
of
the
property
and
shown
on
the
screen
was
constructed.
Circa
1913,
the
property
is
zoned
ARMA
45,
which
is
a
moderate
high
density,
multifamily
zoning
district
and
the
location
of
the
property
lines
and
the
size
of
the
property
make
the
property
and
the
construction
of
addition
fairly
restrictive.
The
structure
is
located
within
the
required
interior
side
yard
setbacks
for
a
detached
single-family
home
in
this
zoning
district.
The
subject
property
needs
several
special
exceptions
to
construct
the
addition
within
the
required
setbacks.
E
E
A
A
K
K
A
K
J
Our
general
approach
was
to
try
to
just
sort
of
go
through
the
staff
report
and
look
at
the
different
parts
and
see
if
there's
guidance
and
directions.
You
can
help
me
move
this
forward
and
the
general
goal
is
there's
a
single-family
dwelling
in
the
core
of
a
fairly
well
developed
block
of
larger
buildings.
It's
the
last
remaining
single-family
residence
in
the
core
that
block.
J
Back
at
the
time
that
it
was
built,
it
was
1813,
it
was
20.
Some-Odd
years
before
the
freeze
mansion
was
built.
There
were
15
to
16
similar
sized
buildings
all
around
the
inside
corridor,
but
inside
core
of
that
block
they
evolved
long
ago
been
removed.
Some
of
the
old
historic
photographs
that
are
in
the
report
sought
to
show
clips
of
the
corners
and
pieces
of
those
older
buildings.
J
There
was
a
very
large
expansion
and
development
happening
in
Salt
Lake
during
that
freeze,
mansion
creation.
This
was
actually
done
in
a
little
more
austere
time
prior
to
that
growth,
and
so,
if
you
all
got
reports
sort
of
do
any
of
you
have
reports,
you
got
them
on
screen.
Okay,
I'll
just
go
down
through
it
and
sort
of
skip
over
the
areas
that
I
don't
have
concerns
and
try
to
highlight
areas.
A
J
K
Thanks
for
that,
so
initially,
when
this
building,
so
the
freeze
house
was
born
in
born,
was
built
in
98,
and
so
this
came
in
about
13
1913
and
it
was
originally
built
as
a
four-room
house
I
think
they
had
outhouses
at
that
time,
and
so
it
probably
had
you
know
a
bedroom
for
the
parents
and
then
a
smaller
bedroom
and
then
a
kitchen
and
a
living
room.
It
appears
from
the
city
that
about
in
the
20s
that
there
was
a
permit
that
was
pulled
and
it
I
believe
from
the
historic
picture.
K
That
is
better
in
the
back
of
the
information
that
you
have
it's
easier
easier
to
see
that
in
the
20s
they
built
two
bedrooms.
They
brought
the
bathroom
inside
novel
thought
and
had
two
small
bedrooms.
The
bedrooms
are
about
11
by
10,
so
they're
tight
and
closet
space
and
everything
is
very
tight.
So
the
back
porch
was
probably
open.
K
The
stairway
up
to
the
the
clearance
is
about
seven
feet
is
the
height
of
the
of
the
hip
in
the
attic,
so
it
has
very
limited
space
and
with
the
pitch
it,
it
probably
renders
about
20%
that
you
have
that
you
can
really
function
in
in
the
upstairs.
So
it's
not
mom,
it's
really
not
feasible
to
either
do
sheds
out
on,
because
there's
just
no
headspace
to
get
some
to
be
able
to
use
the
square
footage
in
the
Attic.
So
what
we
would
like
is
we
would.
K
We
would
like
to
be
able
to
have
something
more
than
a
full
size
bed,
and
so
there's
just
the
bedrooms
are
so
small.
We
actually
use
one
of
the
bedrooms
on
the
main
floor
as
a
closet,
because
the
closets
are
very
small,
so
our
intention
is,
as
often
happens,
those
of
you
who
have
very
creative
spouses
that
the
house
needs
a
new
roof
and
we
know
it
has
to
be
totally
ripped
off
because
it's
over
spanned
because
it
had
shake
some
of
the
rafters
up
in
the
attic
are
actually
cracked.
K
K
So
why
we're
doing
this?
So
so
we
just
thought
that
if
we
have
the
chance
to
go
up
to
get
more
square
footage
so
so
right
now
the
main
house
is
eight
hundred
and
eighty
square
feet.
That
is
the
size
of
the
living
space.
So
we'd
like
to
go
up
and
get
some
additional
square,
you
usable
square
footage
and
while
we're
redoing
the
roof
and
as
you
can
see,
the
siding.
K
The
wood
siding,
which
is
unusual
anyway,
is
very
dilapidated
on
the
south,
which
gets
lots
of
Sun
and
on
the
west
side,
which
has
taken
a
bit
of
a
beating.
So
those
will
have
to
be
at
some
point
fixed
replaced.
Something
like
that,
so
that
that's
the
impetus
is
to
utilize
the
square
use
the
footprint
of
the
building.
That's
there
and
then
parking,
as
we
know
in
the
city
is
very
very
dear
to
all
of
us
to
have
off
street
parking.
K
It
would
be
very
nice
to
have
a
covered
parking
area
so
since
the
lot
is
very
small
to
have
outdoor
space
and
a
covered
parking,
that
is
the
reason
to
utilize
a
deck
out
the
back.
That
would
then
give
a
coverage
for
our
two
cars
and
some
outdoor
space,
also
which
the
lot
is
very
small.
We
haven't
changed
that
lot.
That
is,
that
is
the
lot.
It's
not
been
anything
of
our
our
doing.
That
was
the
way
it
was
when
we
purchased
it.
J
Captions
being
requested
seems
to
be
I,
don't
know
if
it's
a
lot
or
a
little,
you
guys
get
one
or
two
on
a
building
to
have
three
or
four
five
on
a
building.
The
majority
of
the
exceptions
are
all
for
pre-existing
setbacks
it's
for
the
building,
as
it
already
exists
and
the
general
concept
being.
If
we're
just
building
straight
up,
do
we
need
to
jog
over
in
order
to
meet
the
setback
and
make
a
foot
and
a
half
or
a
six
inch
difference
on
different
sides?
J
It's
a
different
amount
or
just
keep
the
building
sort
of
intact
and
not
tweak
the
upstairs
so
much
that
you're
going
in
and
out
a
lot
to
meet
the
current
setbacks.
I
imagined
back
when
they
built
this.
They
met
whatever
requirements
were
not
in
existence
then,
and
so
we
sort
of
adopted
an
idea
of
simple
solutions
better
than
a
really
complicated
solution
and
ask
to
see
if
we
can
keep
it
that
way,
as
opposed
to
moving
each
of
the
walls,
the
minimum
amount
to
meet
current
setbacks.
J
So
what
are
your
ideas
on?
What's
the
best
way
to
deal
with
the
setbacks
and
you
drove
out
some
of
you
drove
out
there
this
afternoon
took
a
look
at
you
know
we're
not
really
close
to
anything,
there's
quite
a
lot
of
distance
between
us
in
the
next
building,
most
of
its
parking
lots
and
asphalt,
but
we're
not
like
nudging
up
within
feet
of
a
neighboring
building
and
all
the
rest
of
the
buildings
have
pretty
much
developed
out.
J
There
are
lots,
so
the
chances
are
of
somebody
building
really
close
and
uptight,
isn't
real
strong,
so
we're
not
really
sure
at
first
on
exceptions
on
setbacks.
Should
we
be
following
a
letter
of
law
and
staying
really
tight
to
them
and
jog
in
the
building
in
and
out
as
it
is,
or
can
we
keep
the
integrity
of
the
the
structure
and
build
it
up
and
ask
for
exceptions,
though,.
A
E
You
have
to
like
Allan
was
mentioning
step
in
your
building
if
you're
doing
a
second-story
addition
to
meet
that
into
your
side,
yard
typically
run
into
wall
height
issues
at
that
point
as
well,
but
because
they're
they
are
a
landmark
site.
They
can
request
that
the
Commission
approve
the
setbacks,
as
is
so
that
they
can
go
taller.
E
This
this
one
is
pretty
it's
a
big
ask,
I
would
say,
but
there
are
precedents
for
the
landmark
Commission
modifying
law
in
bulk,
but
for
a
vertical
inline
addition.
I
would
have
to
do
some
research
to
see
if
there's
any
precedents
for
that.
Typically,
pop
up
additions
are
not
something
that
we
approve
at
a
staff
level
by
any
means
and
I
think
we've
had
maybe
a
couple
before
the
Commission
in
the
past.
Thank.
A
C
I'll
just
add
a
little
bit
to
that.
The
some
of
the
parameters
and
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
all
understanding
where
we're
at
tonight
the
applicant
is
coming
for
as
a
work
session
to
get
the
a
Chelsea's
thoughts
on
their
proposal
at
this
point.
But
it's
important
that
you
is
the
HLC
when
you
are
offering
your
opinions
and
and
your
advice
that
it's
based
on
the
approval
standards
for
the
project.
So
this
is
a
an
alteration
to
contributing
structure
and
there's
a
table
in
your
staff
report.
C
E
B
C
Bit
of
history,
on
this
special
exception
thing,
it
was,
it
was
a
change
that
was
made
I,
know
probably
five
years
ago,
or
so
in
our
code,
where
it
really
allows
it
really
opened
the
door
for
the
HLC
to
make
some
major
modification
to
zoning
standards
that
really
are
not
but
allowed
outside,
of
an
overlay
district
or
a
landmark
site.
Unless
you
go
through
an
actual
variance
process,
which
is
a
much
more
strict
process
to
go
through.
C
The
reason
why
that
was
adopted
is
because
you
know
in
many
cases
in
our
historic
districts
the
existing
development
patterns
that
are
there,
don't
necessarily
match
our
current
zoning
regulations.
So
what
that
does
is
it
allows
the
HLC
to
make
modifications
to
approve
modifications?
I
should
say
that
are
more
in
line
with
the
development
pattern
of
the
of
the
neighbor
of
the
historic
neighborhood
makes.
A
J
That
focuses
nicely
on
the
rules
followed,
very
exactically
really
make
a
strange
shaped
building,
and
if
we
want
to
go
up
two
stories,
the
flavor
and
the
look
of
that
particular
building
would
be
dramatically
different
if
we
don't
follow
it
right
to
the
tee
and
the
original
sketches
we're
all
okay.
This
is
what's
gonna
need
to
be
done,
and
you
look
at
that.
A
B
B
It
just
seems
like
it's
hard
for
the
changes
to
be
made
because
it
is
a
contributing
building
correct.
So
in
your
review,
you
know
all
the
work
that
you've
done
so
far.
What
are
some
recommendations
that
they
could
do
because
I'm
seeing
a
lot
of
this
doesn't
work,
but
what
is
there
anything
else
that
may
work
for
them.
E
I'm,
not
an
architect
by
any
means
but
or
a
designer
you're
correct
the
landmark
sites.
Are
we
scrutinize
the
changes
more
heavily
because
they
raise
that
level
of
significance
for
the
city,
architectural
significance,
historical
significance,
and
since
this
is
a
contributing
structure
to
a
landmark
site,
I
think
it
should
be
heavily
scrutinized.
The
change
and
pop
up
additions
and
I've
informed
the
applicant.
This
I
don't
see
a
way
to
recommend
approval
based
on
the
standards
that
we
have
and
the
applicable
guidelines.
E
H
H
In
addition,
there
are
no
floor
plans
which
make
it
a
little
hard
to
understand
the
building,
but
I
think
the
elephant
in
the
room
here
is:
is
that
this
addition,
if
it's
done,
if
this
work
is
carried
out,
the
building
will
lose
all
of
its
historic
integrity
and
I
mean
who
cares
if
it
goes
up,
it
gets
bigger.
If
you
get
a
building
code
lets,
you
go
two
feet
from
the
rear
yard.
Fine,
but
this
building
will
not
be
historic
when
it's
done.
H
A
A
Attachment
D
standard
number
two,
the
provisions
of
how
an
addition
should
be
placed
with
respect
to
the
primary
structure,
it's
kind
of
like
we
said
skipped
over
that
and
I
think
there
could
be
ways
to
do
it,
but
I
agree
with
David
that
the
approach
you're
taking
is
problematic
in
itself
and
the
the
setback
issues
our
secondary
I
think
we
can.
We
can
work
with
setback
issues,
understanding
the
constraints,
but
just
the
form
the
volumes
here
are
concerning
so.
J
The
use
of
the
lot
changes
dramatically
and
to
address
David's
point.
There's
our
goal
is
to
lose
the
historic
value
of
the
existing
structure,
the
the
doors,
the
windows,
the
materials
that
are
being
used
to
try
to
keep
that
going.
The
open,
porches,
the
columns,
everything
the
dormer
is
recreated
exactly
the
same,
and
so
that
idea
of
retaining
history,
I
guess
it
comes
down
to
whether
it
precludes
the
concept
of
well.
You
really
can't
change
that
building
because
if
you
add
on
a
second
story,
it's
no
longer
a
bungalow
and.
J
H
Is
certainly
precedent
for
inline,
especially
exceptions,
but
you
know
in
this
case
here
we're
taking
an
existing
building
where
we're
changing
we're
modifying
the
roofline.
We're
modifying
the
footprint
to
some
extent
we're
applying
cement
is
just
siding
and
new
windows
I
mean
you
can
go
to
daybreak.
You
can
buy
one
of
these.
H
The
PES
presented
here
at
this
building
is
no
longer
historic
and,
if
that's
the
direction
that
you
and
your
clients
wish
to
pursue,
then
pursue
it,
have
it
delisted
or
whatever
the
process
is
I'm,
not
sure
if
there
of
what
the
terminology
is,
but
maybe
that's
the
direction
you
want
to
take.
If,
if
this
is
indeed
the
result
that
you
want
in
the
end,
the.
J
H
There
are
publications
that
have
addressed
at
preservation
Utah
when
they
were
called
Utah.
Heritage
Foundation
produced
a
fabulous
pamphlet
or
book
on
that
that
specifically
addresses
this,
and
it's
got
little
diagrams
about
form
and
scale
and
dormers
and
all
sorts
of
stuff
I
know.
We
don't
need
to
reinvent
that
here
tonight,
right.
J
H
A
You
were
referring
to
a
second
story
is:
is
it
critical
to
have
a
second
story?
Could
there
be
something
where
it
expands
for
off
the
back
and
to
the
east?
Perhaps
you
gain
your
second
story
back
there,
something
to
break
up
the
masses
or
get
the
space
and
I
can
understand
your
your
description
of
why
you
need
more
space
makes
perfect
sense,
but
there
might
need
to
be
some
exploration
of
some
other
directions
that
you'd
go
and
David's
reference
to
the
the
state
documents
might
be
might
be
helpful,
I
think
again,
referring
attachment
D.
A
J
H
K
H
K
A
couple
of
other
things
that
just
for
clarification
to
know
the
direction
to
go,
and
thank
you
for
that,
so
they're
to
the
back
of
the
property.
If
there
was
some
conversation
previously
with
one
of
the
planners
about
the
option
of
using
the
back
to
go
up
since
the
height
in
that
area
is
45
feet,
which
is
big
and
just
it
to
the
back
of
the
property.
A
couple
of
concerns.
K
So
we
are,
we
are
210
feet
from
our
building
to
the
back
of
the
Freese
building,
we're
an
additional,
probably
75
yards
or
another
50
yards
out
to
the
street.
So
the
sewer
system,
with
the
Rob
comes
in
at
the
back
of
the
original
house,
so
to
add
the
sewer
system
back,
if
we
add
it
on
to
the
to
the
addition
to
this
house
and
the
backyard
the
drop
is
already.
A
A
Really
or
narc
civil
engineering,
yet
just
same
as
if
you
were
building
on
a
lot,
that's
drops
below
a
street
level.
It
might
require
a
sewage
pump
vertical
pump
to
get
the
elevation
to
drop
it
back
to
your
existing
line.
You
know
those
are
not
as
scary
as
they
sound
they're
used
all
the
time
and
in
sloped
Lots,
so
that
that's
a
technical
issue
that
can
be
dealt
with.
A
J
Getting
through
the
rest
of
this,
ultimately
setbacks
aren't
that
big
of
an
issue
if
the
front
part
of
this
project
maintains
or
somehow
it
retains
bungalow
in
its
current
form,
the
idea
that
we
declassify
or
change
the
contributing
stats
and
status.
That
sure
is
that
a
possibility
is
because
I
I
think
that
this
building
was
included
to
the
building
in
front
of
Freese
mansion
and
unless
the
Freese
mansion
changes
that
I
don't
know.
What's
the
path.
K
The
other
question
too,
so
that
the
place
to
do
in
addition
up
is:
is
there
any
movement
from
it
being
to
the
north
of
the
existing
so
to
take
in
so
about
half
way
to
the
the
first
initial
building,
there's
a
chimney,
and
so
that
takes
up
whatever
twelve
feet
of
the
of
the
trophy
yeah
but
twelve
feet?
Is
there
a
chance
to
go
up,
leaving
the
front
half
of
the
original
house
and
start
with
a
second-story
addition
there?
Instead
of
going
to
the
back
of
the
original
building,
I'm.
H
K
H
G
There
is
nothing
that
I
know
of
about
this
house
that
gives
it
a
historic
designation
in
itself.
It
is
not
that
significant,
it
is
not
significant,
it's
only
as
a
contributing
structure,
so
we're
not
tearing
the
house
down
we're,
not
messing
with
it,
so
that
it
doesn't
have
any
of
the
look.
In
fact,
we
made
every
effort
to
hold
as
much
of
it
as
we
can
and
yet
make
it
livable.
G
H
H
A
E
H
J
J
J
J
C
J
J
Possibly
that
the
idea
of
it
going
down
doing
a
bigger
basement
or
adding
a
second-story
addition
it
to
the
rear
of
the
building
seems
to
be
an
option.
The
materials
that
we're
using.
We
were
trying
to
salvage
as
much
of
the
wood
siding
that
exists
now
and
move
it
around
to
to
more
visible
sides
and
use
that
material
and
keep
it.
J
A
Typically,
were
fine
with
that
in
the
guidelines
there,
it
addresses
specifically
materials
that
are
recommended
in
historical
applications.
For
this
kind
of
thing
you
know
you
don't
have
to
in,
we
would
encourage
reuse
of
materials
where
possible.
You
know
we
don't
want
to
move
into
hypotheticals,
make
give
you
yeses
her
nose
until
we
have
more
more
information,
but
we're
certainly
open
to
that.
Isn't
recreating.
A
A
J
A
A
Again
was,
as
David
said,
we
can't,
we
can't
tell
you
definitive
things
based
upon
hypotheticals
right,
but
I.
Think,
basically
you
your
your
your
understanding
of
what
we're
saying,
I
think
is
pretty
accurate.
We
need
to
be
something
that's
secondary
to
the
existing
structure
respects
its
appearance,
its
volumes.
I
I
It
never
looks
historical,
so
and,
and
and
the
the
other
part
to
this
and
I
just
wanted
to
make
certain
that
the
couple
knows
this
in
order
to
add
the
second
story:
you're
gonna
have
to
go
down
to
the
footing
and
foundations
to
strengthen
bad
so
that,
because
it
wasn't
ever
made
to
have
that
additional
live
load,
plus
the
dead
load
of
a
new
roof,
even
higher.
So
that's
that's
not
that's
not
just
building.
I
On
top,
that's
going
all
the
way
down
to
the
dirt,
strengthening
that
and
then
building
it
back
up,
which
you
know
for
an
800
square
foot
house
there's,
you
know,
you're
gonna
have
to
find
a
new
place
to
live.
Well,
while
this
would
have
gone
on,
you
know,
I'm
saying
so,
so
the
notion
then,
of
building
more
space,
and
certainly
you
know,
I-
understand
the
need
for
more
space
there.
There
might
be
a
better
way
to
build
more
space
and
maintain
that
bungalow.
Look.
I
You
know
to
an
old
building
and
a
new
building
that
that
you
know
or
juxtapose
from
each
other
and
there's
some
kind
of
dialogue
between
the
two
buildings
and
it's
very
definite
to
see
the
older
building
in
the
newer
building.
But
not
this
once
once
that
happens,
then
then
it's
not
either
the
world
is.