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Description
Historic Landmarks Commission Meeting - September 5, 2019
A
Robert
hight
I'm,
the
vice
chair,
Kenton,
our
chair
is
out
of
town
this
evening,
so
I'll
be
conducting
the
meeting.
We
welcome
some
new
members
to
our
to
our
Commission
Jessica
ma
and
Michael
Bella
I
have
to
have
Rocio
here
to
help
me
say
those
words
correctly,
but
thank
you
for
being
here
and
we
welcome
you
to
the
Commission
I
think
everyone
else
has
been
here
a
while.
A
A
C
Well,
I've
known
this
day
was
coming.
My
name
is
Cindy
comer
and
I'm.
A
fixture
in
the
audience
so
I
walked
in
and
I
saw
the
new
name,
tags
and
I
knew
that
there
were
going
to
be
some
members
of
the
Commission
who
have
served
for
many
many
years
with
distinction
who
were
departing.
In
fact,
all
three
of
them:
Charl
Shepherd
tom,
brennan
and
shelly
harding,
have
served
as
chair
of
this
commission.
We
are
talking
about
the
departure
of
the
brain
trust,
the
leadership
of
the
commission.
C
So
you
know
in
two
minutes:
I
can't
tell
you
everything,
I've
thought
of
over
the
many
years
I've
been
listening
to
them,
but
I
just
want
to
highlight
one
thing
that
I've
truly
appreciated
about
each
member
who's
retiring
Charles,
Shepard.
His
technical
knowledge
is
just
phenomenal
and
he
is
one
of
the
best
qualified
people
in
this
state
to
rebut
misinformation,
about
tax
credits.
When
people
say
that
they
can't
use
them
that
they
don't
have
any
income
and
they
don't
need
them
or
that
they're
not
applicable
so
I
will
miss
him
tremendously.
C
She
would
remind
the
group
of
what
it
was
supposed
to
be
dealing
with
what
was
in
front
of
the
Commission
and
the
procedure.
The
thing
I
remember
most
about
what
she
says
is
that
she
would
say
something
to
the
effect
of
I.
Don't
have
a
problem
with
or
redirect
the
Commission.
The
only
positive
thing
I
can
think
about
all
these
departures
is
that
now,
when
I
distribute
flyers
about
some
upcoming
bad
idea
in
the
central
city,
historic
district
I
don't
have
to
skip
over
commissioner
Harding's
house.
That's
the
only
positive
thing:
I
can
think
Thank.
A
You
Cindy
I
really
do
appreciate
you
bringing
up
this
subject,
because
we've
lost
three
really
tremendous
commissioners.
This
last
this
last
month,
Charles
Sheppard's
here
with
us,
was
the
chair
when
I
came
on
the
Commission
Tom
Brennan
and
Shelley
Harding
or
all
three
have
been
very,
very
active
and
strong
commissioners,
and
so
we
are
going
to
miss
them,
and
that
meant
that
much
turnover
it
gives
us
a
much
different
complexion
than
we
had
a
few
months
ago.
It
makes
you
the
old
guy
here
Dave,
but.
A
D
On
behalf
of
this
city,
on
behalf
of
the
city,
the
Planning
Division,
thank
you
so
much
for
your
service
Charles,
because
you're
here
this
evening,
but
also
Tom
and
Shelly
I
will
go
to
Shelley's
office
and
thank
her,
but
really.
Thank
you
so
much
for
the
last
two
terms
that
you
served
you
both
you
all
served
as
chairs
during
I
think
pretty
key
moments
that
helped
shape
the
historic
preservation
program
at
Salt,
Lake,
City
and
helping
us
shape
city
policy
during
the
upswing
in
the
economy
and
a
lot
of
really
difficult
policy
questions.
D
So
thank
you
so
much
for
being
gracious
and
and
knowledgeable
and
having
those
late-night
discussions
when
we
needed
them,
and
so
I
tried
to
identify
some
key
moments
that
we
all
had
and
I'm.
Certainly
this
this
list
could
go
on
and
on,
but
all
the
hours
that
you
advised
us
on
the
multifamily
design
guidelines.
Thank
you
for
all
of
your
knowledge,
Charles
and
also
helping
us
shape
our
new
local
historic
district
process
that
designation
process
with
the
state
involvement.
D
D
Really
just
your
graciousness
and
attention
to
detail
handling
our
difficult
demolition
requests
within
the
overlay
and
your
thought
will
thoughtful
review
there.
You
advised
us
on
dozens
of
new
applications
for
new
construction
within
our
overlay
and
making
sure
that
we
have
compatible
infill.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
your
architectural
knowledge
there.
Amongst
other
items,
we
thank
you
and
just
on
a
personal
note,
it
has
truly
been
a
pleasure
and
we'd
like
to
present
you
that's
something
a
letter
from
the
mayor
with
appreciation
for
serving
on
the
landmark
Commission.
Thank
you.
E
E
A
E
Okay,
this
was
approved
by
the
historic
landmark
Commission
back
in
September
6th
of
2018.
It
was
a
major
alteration
and
two
special
exceptions
at
265
North,
Sea
Street.
It
was
in
addition
to
the
rear
of
a
of
a
home
that
also
protruded
out
to
the
side.
This
is
annex
just
a
pretty
simple
extension
request
for
those
of
you,
especially
the
new
commissioners.
E
Approvals
such
as
certificates
of
appropriateness
and
special
exceptions
are
valid
for
one
year
unless
a
building
permit
has
been
has
been
obtained,
and
in
this
case
the
applicant
is
yet
to
pull
a
building
permit
so
requesting
an
extension,
and
this
happens
quite
often
for
those
four
new
Commission's,
especially
you
know,
Planning
Commission
projects
also
and
that
they're
seeking
you
know
additional
funding
or
trying
to
secure
their
funding
sources,
labor
shortages,
everything
else-
so
that's
that's,
the
I
believe
is
the
applicant
for
this
project.
Here
the
applicant
is
here:
if
you
have
any
questions.
F
A
G
A
H
A
H
To
go
ahead,
make
a
motion
based
on
the
information
contained
in
the
memo
dated
September
5
2019
and
the
original
staff
report
from
the
September
6
2008
team,
Historic
Landmarks
Commission
meeting
and
move
that
the
Commission
grant
the
requested
one-year
time
extension
for
the
major
alteration
and
to
special
exception
approvals
that
were
granted
for
the
property
located
at
265
North
C
Street.
These
are
pushed
ition
numbers,
pln
HLC,
2017,
zero,
zero,
seven,
seven,
two
and
zero
zero
five.
Seven
four.
G
G
A
J
So
this
is
a
continuation
of
the
project
represented
to
you
on
June
6
to
2019,
which
is
a
request
to
approve
pain,
applied
to
three
facades
of
the
masonry
building
located
at
171
West
300
North,
just
to
give
a
little
more
context
for
the
new
commissioners.
This
building
is
a
walk-up
apartment,
building
with
brick
on
all
facades
and
flagstone,
highlighting
the
entrances
it
was
constructed
in
1950
and
it
is
an
example
of
post-war
modern
architecture.
Style
in
this
building
is
considered
contributing
to
the
Capitol
Hill
local
historic
district.
J
J
This
is
being
referred
to
the
Commission,
because
staff
find
that
the
paint
does
not
comply
with
the
standards
of
review
on
the
June
6
meeting,
the
Commission
tabled
the
request
to
allow
the
applicant
some
time
to
obtain
a
report
provided
by
a
qualified
contractor
to
show
the
viability
of
removing
the
paint
on
the
building.
The
report
was
to
include
the
potential
harm
to
the
brick
in
the
stone
the
methodology
of
application
in
the
test
stripping
results.
J
The
applicant
did
provide
the
contractors
report
with
a
contractors
bid
in
a
letter
that
changed
their
initial
minor
alteration,
request
to
approve
only
the
the
paint
applied
to
the
brick,
no
longer
the
flagstone.
All
the
documents
submitted
by
the
applicant
are
included
in
the
memo.
The
Contractors
report
in
the
bid
showed
that
the
paint
removal
is
almost
entirely
possible
with
an
estimated
success
rate
of
approximately
98%.
J
The
report
does
not
make
mention
of
damages
to
the
brick,
but
does
highlight
that
this
process
is
labor-intensive
and
you
will
require
a
higher
degree
of
effort
due
to
the
highly
textured
brick.
The
report
also
mentions
that
some
repointing
of
the
mortar
may
be
necessary
after
the
paint
removal
process.
J
It
looks
pretty
clean
with
the
results
of
the
report.
Planning
staff
maintains
that
the
paint
applied
to
the
brick
does
not
comply
with
the
standards
of
review
and
adversely
affect
the
historic
building.
The
city's
adopted
guidelines
for
historic
apartments
and
multifamily
buildings
in
the
historic
design
guidelines
for
historic
residential
properties,
specifically
state
that
painting
masonry
that
was
not
painted
traditionally
should
be
avoided.
J
Masonry
is
one
of
the
most
important
character,
defining
features
of
a
historic
building,
and
this
apartment
reflects
the
transformation
of
architecture
that
occurred
in
the
Capitol
Hill.
Neighborhood
paint
obscured
the
character
of
the
building
and
causes
damages
to
the
brick
and
because
it
traps
moisture
so
staff
is
recommending
the
Commission
denied
the.
B
G
K
G
C
G
L
L
L
Correct,
what's
your
last
name,
James
Tate,
CIT
and
myself,
and
my
partner's
came
to
Salt
Lake
six
years
ago
with
the
intention
of
doing
value-added,
multifamily
renovation
with
preservation
at
the
center.
So
the
sad
irony
that
I'm
sitting
here
is
is
now
lost
on
me
and
I
would
say
that
this
was
the
second
property
we
ever
purchased
in
Salt
Lake
about
five
and
a
half
years
ago.
L
We
have
a
stern
dedication
to
preservation,
we
own
the
Hillcrest
and
the
Kensington,
which
are
undergoing
federal
historic
tax
credit
renovations
that
have
been
passed
by
both
the
federal
government
and
shippo
and
then
through
the
Commission,
and
so
we're
very
familiar
with
the
process.
This
is
Kensington.
This
is
this
is
going
to.
This
is
a
before
and
an
after
photo
and
just
generally,
where
we
have
a
meticulous
dedication
to
detail
and
preservation.
Wherever
possible,
we
currently
have
three
three
new
projects
which
were
purchased
from
the
Utah
nonprofit
Housing
Corporation
for
affordable
housing.
L
These
are
also
going
to
be
state
and
federal,
historic
tax
credit
deals.
There
are
three
properties:
the
big
low,
the
Chapman
and
the
Lincoln
arms
all
located
downtown
again.
This
is
about
a
year
process
and
roughly
25%
of
it
will
be
affordable,
housing
and
and
I
only
speak
to
this.
Just
because
kind
of
the
success
of
one
project,
baguettes
the
success
of
other
projects,
and
so
I
don't
mean
to
make
this
too
big.
L
But
the
failure
of
one
hinders
us
to
kind
of
continue
the
mission
to
do
more,
which
is
why
I'm,
here
speaking
about
the
arches,
so
this
was
you
know
it
can
unintentional.
Although
we
we
looked
our
best
at
the
breeze
made
a
judgment
based
on
the
report
and
the
interpretation
of
the
zoning
code
were
not
familiar
normal
contractors
familiar
with
the
overlay
of
the
marmalade
district,
and
you
know
we,
we
were
pointing
out
examples
that
I
think
other
people
we
copied.
L
We
can
move
on
I
guess
our
biggest
issue
is,
you
know
we
understand
the
problem
with
the
building
and
obviously
the
remediation,
but
our
problem
is
one
of
scale,
which
is
this
property
makes
about
$18,000
a
year
net
and
the
bid
to
have
this
done
with
this
method
is
58
thousand
dollars,
which
is
just
economically
infeasible
for
the
property.
We
did
try
another
method
prior,
which
was
really
unsuccessful,
which
is
why
we
were
kind
of
asked
to
go
back
and
try
one
of
these
three
vendors
which
we
did
and
by
and
large
it
was
successful.
L
L
A
I
So,
in
addition
to
just
the
color
and
the
issues
with
the
appearance,
one
of
the
other
issues
raised
in
the
code
is
that
there's
a
problem
with
moisture
the
ability
to
regulate
heat.
Should
we
decide
that
you
don't
have
to
restore
this?
What's
your
proposal
for
preserving
the
actual
integrity
of
the
brick
itself
and
avoiding
those
other
issues,
I'm.
G
L
They're
so
painted
we
actually
had
a
property.
That's
located
on
the
900
East
that
we
call
Acadian
north.
That
is
same
color
scheme
and
I.
Believe
a
gentleman
in
in
the
audience
here
painted
his
building,
which
is
directly
across
the
street,
from
ours
same
color
scheme
based
off
of
what
a
building
that
we
have
outside
the
overlay.
And
then
we
painted
our
building
171
last
300
north
based
off
of
his
painting,
his
building,
and
so
it
just
it
was.
It
was
a.
A
L
We
weren't,
we
were
completely
unaware
the
overlay
in
in
marmalade.
We
hadn't
done
any
renovations
to
the
building
to
the
exterior
the
building
in
all
prior,
and
it
was
a
you
know.
It
was
just
seeing
something
and
then
asking
a
subcontractor
and
then
go
ahead
and
doing
it
and
usually
you
don't
need
a
permit
for
painting
and
so
nothing
that
we
did
triggered
the
knowledge
of
that.
K
Not
being
a
landmark
site
but
being
in
an
overlay
was
there
was
just
nothing
that
we
could
find.
It
was
terribly
clear
at
the
time
that
showed
that
this
was
going
to
be
an
issue,
especially
considering
you
know
your
your
immediate
surrounding
neighborhood
of
painted
buildings.
In
fact,
one
that
we
owned
previously
was
was
a
painted
home
and
it
just
frankly,
I
deduce.
L
Yes,
because
so
this
property
is
actually
part
of
two
other
buildings
at
first
they
were
on
different
parcels,
and
those
dated
back
to
the
late
19th
century
are
actually
mid.
19Th
century
I
think
1850.
It
was
a
house
directly
to
the
south
and
it
had
been
painted
really
very
previously
to
us
taking
ownership
of
the
property
and
then
again
actually
said,
but
but
not
by
us,
and
so
it
just
it
just
was
a
knowledge
failure
which
I
just
think
you
know
in
overlay
district.
L
If
I
mean
if
it
would
probably
be
best
upon
ownership,
that
that
or
you
know
are
in
a
title
in
title
search
upon
acquisition
that
that
these
that
these
restrictions
are
made
visible,
you
know
because
I
mean
that's
the
same
thing.
I
have
on
every
every
ownership
change
you
know,
owner
owners
are
usually
obviously
told
about
easements
and
such
or
you
know
it's
certain
historic
designations.
But
it's
something
that
that
would
pop
up
in
a
title
search
would
would
obviously
be
very
valuable.
A
E
F
A
F
F
G
F
K
E
A
F
Yeah
I
mean
we're
in
a
weird
situation
here.
I
wasn't
aware
that
this
was
posted.
That
way,
it
is
your
choice
because
it
was
not
noticed
that
way.
I
imagined
that
people
might
have
some
feelings
about
seeking
the
notice
on
the
property,
but
yeah.
You
could
go
ahead
and
make
a
decision
tonight
without
a
public
hearing
or
you
can
table
it
again
and
read
out
us
it's
your
call
either
way.
We
just
can't
have
the
public
hearing
tonight,
yeah.
B
To
move
it
to
next
month,
just
because
there's
so
many
different,
two
different
options
and
I:
don't
wouldn't
want
a
situation
where
we
didn't
hear
from
them
and
then
you
know
they
had
that
option
just
to
be
clear.
Maybe
by
next
month
have
it
all
clear
all
the
notices
out
and
then
we
could
make
a
decision
or
not.
L
A
Gonna
go
ahead,
we're
gonna
go
ahead
and
talk
for
a
minute,
and,
let's
maybe
maybe
we
could.
We
could
get
an
indication
where
people
are
leaning
on
this
issue,
even
if
we
aren't
going
to
decide
it
till
next
month.
Well,
let
me
ask
this
question:
first:
if
we
vote
how
many
people
are
going
to
vote
to
continue
it
next
month?
Are
there
people
that
want
to
do
it
right
now
or
is
everyone?
Is
let's
go
ahead
and
yeah
I
want
to
know
if
you
want
to
extend
it
till
next
month,
No.
A
F
B
F
G
A
J
G
A
A
If
we
don't
enforce
the
rules,
where
do
we
draw
the
line?
You
know
we
have
so
many
applicants
every
year
and
and
there
are
hardship
situations
but
I'm,
not
sure
this
falls
into
hardship.
Your
your
your
net
operating
income
is
a
product
of
how
much
equity
you
put
in
and
how
much
you
borrow.
So
it's
not
a
very
informative
number
as
far
as
I'm
concerned,
but
even
regardless
of
that,
you
know
you're
in
the
preservation,
business
and
and
we're
talking
here
internally,
we're
not
talking
to
you
but
I'm.
Just
saying
that
and.