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Planning Commission Meeting - April 24, 2019
A
One
we'd
like
to
call
this
meeting
to
order.
If
you
take
your
seats,
have
a
few
little
reminders.
If,
if
you
would,
please
turn
off
your
cell
phones
or
if
you
have
to
take
a
call,
please
take
it
out
in
the
hall
and
if
it
gets
too
noisy
out
there
we'll
get
that
door
shut,
because
it
sometimes
is
hard
to
hear.
A
Please,
when
you,
if
you're
coming
to
speak
on
an
item,
you'll
come
up
state.
Your
name
for
the
record.
You'll
have
two
minutes
to
speak.
Try
to
keep
your
comments
very
focused
on
the
topic
at
hand,
and
please
know
responding
to
what
other
people
are
saying
like
no
cat
calls,
no
Cheers
that
kind
of
thing.
A
If
you're
the
applicant
then
come
up,
you'll
you'll
be
called
up
after
the
staff
has
made
their
presentation
and
you
will
have
ten
minutes
as
the
applicant
if
you're
part
of
the
Community
Council,
you
get
five
minutes
so
I
think
we'll
just
try
to
move
forward
here
and
keep
this
gone
tonight.
I
need
approval
of
the
minutes
for
April
10th.
B
D
A
E
E
The
applicants
proposing
to
construct
an
addition
which
will
be
sited
to
the
rear
of
the
existing
single-family
dwelling.
This
will
enable
Ali
access
to
the
attached
garage
the
additions,
approximately
three
thousand
seventy
square
feet
in
size
and
reaches
approximately
27
feet,
7
inches
at
the
tallest
point.
E
The
proposal
meets
all
of
the
r1
7,000
law
in
bulk
requirements
in
terms
of
lock
coverage
and
no
special
exception
is
proposed
as
part
of
the
addition
it
will
be
located
in
the
let's
see
the
ad
you
will
be
located
in
the
northern
portion
of
the
basement
within
the
addition.
It's
approximately
595
square
feet
which
meets
the
50
percent
requirement
of
the
square
footage
of
the
primary
single-family
dwelling.
E
The
Adu
is
proposed
to
have
two
entrances.
One
interest
is
located
on
the
east
elevation
of
the
addition,
and
the
secondary
entrance
is
located
within
the
attached
garage.
The
west
elevation
has
the
parking
entrances
and
one
of
those
entrances
to
the
Adu
is
located
within
that
parking.
The
northern
and
southern
elevations
integrate
design
features
compatible
with
the
existing
single
family
structure
and
key
considerations
that
were
discussed
within
the
staff
report
relate
to
the
housing
goals
and
within
growing
Salt
Lake
City
housing
plan.
E
One
of
the
goals
outlined
in
the
housing
plan
includes
increasing
housing
options
and
diversifies
diversifying
housing
options.
The
proposals
proximity
to
transit,
as
well
as
consistency
with
policies
and
guidelines
in
the
sugarhouse
master
plan.
The
project
went
to
the
sugarhouse,
Community
Council
and
also
one
public
comment
was
received
in
addition
to
the
community
council
comment
and
those
are
included
in
the
staff
report
and
again,
staff
is
recommending
that
the
Commission
approve
the
conditional
use
with
the
conditions
of
approval
listed
in
the
staff
report.
F
F
B
E
A
G
E
In
the
staff
analysis,
it
looks
like
Kelsey
said
that
it
meant
the
35%
law
requirement,
so
I'm
sure
that's
just
based
on
the
plans.
I'm,
not
sure
what
exact
area
they
included
in
that,
but
the
requirements,
40%
and
I
believe
she.
She
said
something
like
thirty
five
point:
five
percent
for
the
lot
coverage
is
what
the
proposal
is.
G
B
A
H
You
ma'am,
my
name
is
AJ
Waller
I'm,
the
applicant
for
this
proposed
house
addition
just
as
a
matter
of
clarification,
the
everything
that
the
planning
staff
said
is
is
correct,
but
just
to
add
a
little
bit
of
clarification.
The
27
feet
is
measured
from
the
bottom
of
the
driveway
to
the
peak
of
the
roof
and
it's
the
driveway
itself
goes
down
five
feet,
so
the
building's
actually
22
feet
tall,
if
you
measure
it
from
from
the
yard
from
that.
We
call
that
natural
grade
so
where
the
dirt
is
right
now.
H
But
if
you
look
at
the
back
of
the
building
the
driveways
slope
to
driveway
and
it
slopes
down,
so
that's
how
they
that's
how
they
came
up
with
that
27
foot
figure,
because
the
driveway
slopes
down
five
feet.
So
that's
actually
like
minus
minus
five.
If
you
were,
if
zero
was
the
dirt
and
then
plus
22
above
that.
H
Thompson
was
correct:
it's
three
thousand
seventy
square
feet,
but
and
also
as
another
matter
of
clarification
when
it
comes
to
I.
Think
sir,
you
had
asked
about
the
lock
coverage.
The
way
that
the
the
planners
had
instructed
us
to
calculate.
The
lock
coverage
was
where
the
wall
of
the
building
comes
down
on
the
ground
that
that's,
what
they
define
is
the
the
footprint
so
there's
a
total
area.
H
G
A
J
So
the
community
council
research
reviewed
this
at
the
land
use
committee
meeting,
as
we
usually
do
and
prior
to
that,
we
have
four
trustees
that
live
in
this
particular
neighborhood,
around
Green,
Street
and
so
I
emailed
them
the
plans
and
asked
them
to
talk
to
the
neighbors
and
see
what
they
thought
and
my
own
stepson
lives
right
across
the
street
from
this
house
and
we
didn't
get
any
negative
comments.
I
think
the
reservation.
J
This
lot
is
fairly
large
and
I
can't
read
the
tiny
print
on
this
report
to
know
exactly,
but
it's
I'm
sure
it's
at
least
fifty
feet
wide.
So
there's
plenty
of
space
to
add
this,
and
most
of
it
is
in
a
second-story,
but
it's
as
he
said,
it's
five
feet
lower
than
a
normal
second
storey.
So
I,
don't
think.
It'll
seem
all
this
huge.
The
only
concern
the
neighbors
seem
to
have
was
what,
if
every
house
on
the
block
did
this?
What
would
that
do
to
the
character
for
our
neighborhood?
J
You
know
and
that's
a
good
question
and
I
guess
we'll
figure
that
out
I
think
this
is
a
creative
use.
His
wife
is
from
I
believe
he
said.
China
and
her
parents
come
and
spend
a
good
portion
of
the
year
here
and
help
with
the
family
issues
and
hopefully
they're
going
to
have
some
children,
and
it's
part
of
the
tradition
of
that
culture
to
you
know,
have
the
extended
family,
often
in
the
same
household.
J
A
A
E
Well,
I
believe
it's
for
whoever's
applying
for
it,
but
the
actual
ad
you,
the
deed,
will
be
recorded
on
the
property.
So
if
for
some,
if
they
sold
the
property
that
those
requirements
still
apply
to,
whoever
takes
over
that,
if
they
want
to
maintain
the
unit,
then
they
have
to
meet
those
requirements.
If
they
don't,
then
they
can
get
rid
of
the
ad
you,
but
if
they
ever
want
to
reestablish
that
they'd
have
to
do
a
conditional
use
process
themselves.
G
G
K
B
E
D
On
the
information
in
the
staff
report,
the
information
presented
and
the
input
received
during
the
public
hearing
I
move
that
the
Planning
Commission
approved,
petition
PL
and
PCM
2019
zero,
zero,
zero,
three
seven
with
the
following
conditions:
one
the
applicant,
shall
comply
with
the
registration
process
outlined
in
section
21,
a
4200
F
of
the
Selig
city.
Zoning
ordinance
and
to
approval
is
for
the
specific
items
discussed
and
identified
in
the
staff
report.
All
other
applicable
zoning
regulations
and
requirements
from
other
city
departments
apply
and.
B
D
G
A
F
I
L
L
L
The
brewery
does
include
a
tasting
room,
but
that's
allowed
as
a
permitted
use.
Since
it's
under
the
2,500
square
foot
level.
This
project
previously
went
through
the
TSA
scoring
process,
so
they
did
submit
a
TSA
application
and
that's
a
staff
level
approval
if
they,
if
they
get
enough
points
to
qualify
for
an
administrative
approval
which
they
did.
L
However,
they
are
requesting
to
go
through
the
conditional
building
and
site
design
review
process
CBS
dr
to
modify
some
design
elements
of
the
building,
specifically
the
length
of
blank
walls,
some
of
the
ground
floor
glass
requirements
in
this,
the
street
facing
entrance
requirements
requiring
doors
on
every
street
racing
entrance
and
the
facade
setback
requirements
so
overview.
This
is
the
site.
It's
a
vacant
parcel,
as
I
said,
on
the
corner
of
400
North
400
West,
it's
about
a
half
acre
site.
It's
located
just
to
the
south
of
immediately
to
the
north
of
it.
L
I'm
sorry
is
the
Mountain
West
hard
cider
company,
which
is
classified
as
a
winery
and
then
just
to
the
north
of
that
is
the
existing
Red
Rock
brewery
zoning.
It
sits
within
a
tsa
area
across
the
street
as
some
sr1
a
but
in
general,
that
area
has
been
developed
along
400
West
for
a
variety
of
light,
industrial,
commercial
type
of
uses,
some
single-family
residential,
of
course,
to
the
West.
L
So
probably
the
bottom
picture
is
most
germane
to
the
discussion.
This
is
the
South
elevation
and
there
to
the
west
side
of
that
there
is
a
portion
of
blank
wall
that
is
approximately
55
feet
long.
The
maximum
length
of
blank
wall
allowed
in
the
zone
is
15
feet
so
they're
exceeding
that,
but
their
focus
is
more
towards
the
corner.
I'll.
L
L
L
Similarly,
on
the
East
elevation
that
3
to
8-foot
ground
floor
class
requirements
puts
the
requirement
at
313
feet
square
feet
required
they're,
proposing
only
285
in
the
zone
that
we
specify
between
3
and
8
feet,
but
they
have
a
total
of
a
little
bit
over
1,100
square
feet.
It's
just
again
concentrated
more
towards
the
corner,
so
they're
creating
kind
of
a
focal
point
towards
the
corner.
L
Staff
analyze
this
for
the
conditional
use
standards
found
in
21
a
54.
It
does
meet
those
standards
and
complies
with
the
criteria
and
the
detrimental
effects.
Determination
felted
generally
met
the
standards
for
CB
s
TR
approval,
and
we
did
recommend
that
some
conditions
be
added
to
mitigate
those
design
changes
specifically
the
addition
of
another
entrance
on
the
South
facade
of
the
building,
and
maybe
some
artwork
or
mural,
on
that
large
blank
wall,
space
to
help
with
the
street
presence
and
pedestrian
interaction
and
interest.
L
L
A
A
M
M
C
C
Here
to
the
West
you'll
see,
there's
orange
hatching
I
apologize,
that's
quite
light,
but
this
is
to
delineate
programmatically
the
use
of
the
building
so
where
the
blank
wall
is
is
more
of
the
very
uses
to
the
brewery
function
that
are
more
of
a
private
use
and
less
kind
of
glamorous,
and
so
it's
kind
of
more
of
an
informative
reason
that
we're
doing
this
to
the
east,
where
all
of
the
circles
are
which
are
the
brewing
equipment.
The
fermentation
vessels
that's
kind
of
the
focus
of
our
project
here.
C
C
C
C
Capacity
to
have
this
as
a
corner
lot
and
we
wanted
to
bring
our
in
touch
everyone's
attention
to
the
corner,
and
so
this
is
where
we
brought
in
all
of
our
glass,
and
we
wanted
to
kind
of
be
able
to
see
that
burning
equipment.
It's
the
beacon,
it's
the
whole
reason
we're
creating
this
building
and
then
for
the
the
street
facing
entries,
it's
more
of
a
matter
of
safety,
of
only
having
one
entry,
because
we
are
wayfinding
people
to
the
public
spaces.
C
So
we
are
it's
a
50%
requirement
to
be
within
five
feet
of
the
property
line
we
are
at
about
forty
eight
percent,
currently
with
the
design
and
but
the
what
we
are
doing
here
is
with
this
large
roof
overhang.
It
is
extending
out
into
the
property
line
and
so
that
roof
overhang
is
at
the
property
line,
still
engaging
the
building
from
above
and
kind
of
softening.
C
This
facade
with
the
wood
and
then
they'll
be
down
lighting
and
illuminating
that
that
corner
in
the
evening
and
then
also
the
the
grain
silos,
are
a
very
important
function
to
the
brewery
and
they
are
a
permanent
fixture
and
they
are
themselves
within
that
five
foot
property
line.
So
they
are
adding
21
feet
of
permanent
structure.
That
is
part
of
the
brewery
into
that
that
step
back
and
that's
all
I
have
for
you
currently.
C
D
H
D
H
The
door
is
always
problematic
to
put
a
door
into
very
expensive
industrial
machinery
that
you
know
it
allows
access
to
an
area
which,
typically
you
don't
want
anybody
having
general
access
to
there's
no
real
functionality
to
have
a
door
chrome
right
into
the
middle
of
large
pumps,
and
you
know
mechanical
equipment
and
so
forth.
So
when
I
wouldn't
be
necessarily
used
for
service,
it
wouldn't
be
used
for
general
entry
by
employees
and
it
would
be
just
a
door
to
have
a
door.
H
D
That
was
gonna,
be.
One
of
my
comments
is
I
kind
of
agree
with
this
like
non-functional
door,
just
have
a
door,
but
I
also
think
35
feet
is
really
long
and
when
I
pay
attention
to
how
I
react
to
a
building
that
is
just
a
blank
brick
wall
I
was
a
pedestrian
feel
not
welcome.
Even
though
there's
this
great
glass
corner,
which
I
think
is
very
brilliant
and
and
very
much
a
draw,
but
those
blank
walls
are
problematic
for
me.
C
D
Windows
are
always
good,
too,
so
that's
good
to
know,
because
that
was
when
I'm
gonna
be
one
of
my
things
like
there's
something
you
think
you
could
do
architectural
II.
That
could
break
this
up.
That
then
we
would
delegate
to
staff
to
approve
but
I'm,
not
keen
on
it
being
a
door
to
nothing
either.
I'd
rather
see
something
more
visually
interesting
and
it
may
not
be
a
mural
it
may
just
be.
You
have
some
different
architectural
things
happening
and
you
think
that's
that's
possible
from
your
end.
Yes,.
M
A
G
Mean
I'm
less
concerned
about
the
west
wall,
but
on
the
east
wall
you
have
like
this
beautiful
glass
and
then
the
grain
silos
and
then
for
the
air
into
the
tasting
room.
You
just
kind
of
have
a
wall
door
wall
or
then
some
of
the
drawings
seem
to
have
windows
a
window
there.
You
fall
I'm
just
trying
to
figure
out
what
exactly
is
there
and
then
what
your
decision-making
was
around
if
you've
got
this
kind
of
tasting
room?
Why
you're
not
featuring
it
more?
G
C
H
And,
and
from
the
room
inside
the
tasting
room
that
actually
the
the
heart
of
it
is
to
be
able
to
sit
in
the
tasting
room
and
then
look
into
an
operating
brewery
so
that
you
can
actually
watch.
You
know
the
the
Brewers
brew,
the
beer
and
things
being
done
inside.
So
that
is
really
a
key
feature.
Is
to
actually
have
it
as
that's
the
entertainment,
if
you
will
that's
the
thing,
that's
really
fun
to
watch
is
an
active
brewery
which.
G
Which,
I
think
is
cool
and
I'm
a
fan
of
your
brewery
and
your
restaurant,
which
I
could
give
you
lots
of
compliments,
but
for
later
time,
but
but
my
decide
is
like
is
we're
looking
at
you've
done
a
beautiful
job,
I
think
on
the
corner
and
kind
of
engaging
that
Street
I
mean
I'm
less
concerned
with
4th
North,
because
you
kind
of
go
to
the
train
tracks,
there's
a
lot
of
industrial
stuff.
Maybe
eventually
there
might
be
something
there,
but
it
could
be
a
while.
You
know
and
I
think
that
will
solve
er
time.
G
G
If
they're,
programmatic
or
designed,
is
it
like
I
totally
get?
You
got
boxing
and
shipping,
and
you
know,
speak
for
yourself,
but
it'll
s,
interesting
part
of
your
brewery
bike,
which
is
fine
on
the
back
that
you're,
just
not
showing
that
seems
like
the
tasting
room,
still
is
something
that
would
engage
people
and
so
I'm.
Just
wondering
why
that
that
21-foot
stretch
or
27
with
the
wood
doesn't
have
any
sort
of
elements
that
they
engage.
Engage
people
walking,
walking
down
forth
west.
H
O
G
D
C
From
where
the
brewing
equipment
is
would
be
a
window
through
into
the
tasting
rooms,
your
light
is
kind
of
coming
filtering
through
and
from
the
tasting
room.
So
when
you're
walking
into
the
tasting
room,
it's
kind
of
like
that
moment,
you're
like
oh
there's,
all
my
burning
equipment
that
I'm
gonna
see
and
the
action
that's
in
the
brewery,
I.
B
A
D
H
H
C
We
will
be
working
with
the
Landscape
Architect
and
creating
drought
resistant
plants
that
are
in
what
was
the
I
mean
in
accordance
with
the
Salt
Lake,
sorting,
ornaments
and
requirements,
and
you
know
any
time
you
create
a
new
building.
You
want
to
make
sure
that
you're,
you
know
being
sustainability
in
mind,
so
we
would
like
to
make
sure
that
they
are
Hardy
and
don't
take
up
too
much
water
I
have.
C
M
We
have
14
stalls
out
on
the
street,
we're
proposing
we're
proposing
new
parking
along
400
North
there.
It's
a
it's
a
really
deep
park
strip,
we're
proposing.
We've
met
with
she's
transportation,
Michael
Michael
berry,
yes,
Michael
berry
with
transportation.
He
said
the
proposed
at
least
proposed
it.
That's
what
we're
proposing.
We
haven't
gotten
any
resolution
on
that,
but
that's
where
we're
basically
going
street
parking.
We
are
required
to
have
nine
stalls
and
we
have
14.
We
have
I
think
there's
three.
C
M
N
M
C
D
A
A
D
I
just
have
like
a
clarifying
question
for
David,
so
if
we
were
going
to
move
to
approve
with
some
altering
conditions
as
I
read
them
in
the
the
motion
sheet
would
just
leaving
one
which
is
artwork
a
mural
or
other
element
of
visual
interest.
It's
striking
to
would
that
status.
Would
that
give
you
enough
clarification
of
then
for
any
modifications
to
the
south
well
and
the
east
wall
that
you
yes.
L
N
And
then
we
call
attention
to
it
by
making
some
big
lightshow
or
something
on
it.
Then
it's
going
to
be
a
lot
more
obvious,
because,
right
now,
when
you
would
pass
through
there
or
drive
past
there,
you
would
see
the
brewing
equipment.
I
mean
the.
What
do
you
call
those
things
silos
or
whatever
and
and
would
catch
your
attention,
and
you
don't
necessarily
want
from
a
design
standpoint,
something
that
is
competing
with
that
piece
of
work?
That's
catching
your
attention!
N
F
A
A
D
D
I
understand
your
point:
I
just
disagree
that
this
isn't
a
design
thing
for
me,
this
is
like
I'm
looking
at.
This
is
how
pedestrians
relate
to
buildings
and
how
I
feel
when
I'm
walking
along
a
blank
brick
wall.
Even
though
there's
something
visually
very
interesting
on
the
corner,
I
think
we
could
do
some
the
well.
They
could
do
some
very
small
architectural
features
that
break
that
up,
that
aren't
competing
with
the
corner
and
yet
don't
provide
this
blank
55-foot,
brick
wall,
but
so.
G
D
But
you
said
yourself
that,
like
this
is
I
mean
this
is
an
an
area
that
isn't
a
TSA
zone,
so
we're
expecting
some
foot
traffic
and
you
said,
like
million
years
things
to
the
north,
will
change
like
we
don't
know
how
this
is
going
to
necessarily
develop
in
the
next
10
years
and
and
I
want
to
maybe
look
at
that.
This
is
becomes
more
of
a
and
focused
area
that
we're
having
more
people
around
they're,
walking
on
both
forth
north
and
forth
west,
because
I
don't
know.
D
B
N
B
A
B
L
N
I
understand
this
one:
okay,
based
on
the
findings
and
information
listed,
the
staff
report
and
the
testimony
and
plans
presented
I
move
that
the
Planning
Commission
approve
the
requested
conditional
use
application
pln
PCM
2018
zero
one,
zero,
zero,
eight
for
the
Red
Rock
Brewing
Company
brewery.
Subject:
mm-hmm
no
period.
A
A
F
F
O
Thank
You,
chairperson
bobland,
with
neighborhood
works,
is
requesting
an
amendment
to
the
marmalade
courtyards
planned
development.
This
plan
development
was
originally
approved
in
January
2016,
with
24
single-family
attached
townhomes
and
six
condo
units
with
within
three
phases
of
development.
The
plan
development
was
approved
with
three
issues
considered
by
the
Planning
Commission.
The
first
issue
was
reduced
width
on
the
private
street
Lots,
which
do
not
front
a
public
street
and
reduced
front
yard
setbacks
along
the
south
side.
O
The
original
plan
development
met
four
objectives
of
the
plan
development
ordinance.
These
included
the
combination
and
coordination
of
architectural
styles
preservation
of
buildings
which
contribute
to
the
character
of
the
city,
eliminated
Lighting's,
blighted
structures
and
providing
20%,
affordable
housing.
The
original
project
occupied
1.47
acres
and
the
amended
portion
that
is
proposed
tonight
is
located
towards
the
northeast
of
the
project
and
includes
approximately
8,000
square
feet.
The
amended
portion
includes
eight
residential
units
total
with
six
condo
units
on
a
northern
most
building
and
six
single-family
attached
units
towards
the
south.
O
This
is
the
original
site
plan
of
the
marmalade
courtyards
planned
development.
The
original
site
plan
really
won't
change
that
much
or
actually
won't
change.
The
existing
footprints
of
the
building
will
remain
the
same,
as
will
the
number
of
units
on
the
project,
the
percentage
of
open
space
and
the
number
and
location
of
parking
stalls.
O
The
applicant
is
proposing
to
demolish
the
you
two
existing
buildings
along
3rd
west.
These
buildings
were
originally
proposed
to
be
rehabilitated
to
accommodate
the
new
units.
The
two
buildings
have
been
in
disrepair
for
some
time
neither
building
is
considered
is
located
within
a
historic
dish
tricked
and
neither
building
is
considered
to
be
historic.
O
The
amended
planned
development
site
plan
looks
the
same
as
the
original
approve
the
originally
approved
site
plan,
because
the
proposal
is
to
demolish
the
two
existing
buildings.
One
issue
for
the
Planning
Commission
Planning
Commission's
consideration
is
the
front
corner
side,
yard
setbacks.
The
building
is
proposed
to
be
built
to
the
property
line,
because
it's
on
the
same
footprint,
which
is
the
same
as
the
existing
buildings.
O
The
proposed
elevations
of
the
new
structure
are
similar
in
design
to
the
other
structures
in
the
same
development,
which
are
the
townhouses
located
towards
the
south
of
the
property.
The
two
new
buildings
are
proposed
to
have
EFA's
stucco
facades
with
wood
cladding,
the
porch
facing
300
west
will
be
made
of
steel
along
the
east,
and
north
facing
facades
will
be
awnings
will
be
located
awnings
over
each
ground
with
ground
floor
window.
F
P
Originally
I
guess
it
was
three
years
ago
we
came
before
you
for
this
project.
We've
completed
a
portion
of
it
23
units
and
this
portion
here
we've
original
plan
was
to
rehab
the
units.
We
we
had
plans
drawn
submitted
to
the
city
ready
to
pull
the
permits.
We
bid
the
plans
out
and
the
contractors
come
back
and
say
what
is
wrong
with
you.
Why
are
you
not
tearing
these
down
and
we?
You
know,
we
told
them
that
originally
they
told
us.
We
could
not
do
that.
P
So
we
went
back
in
met
with
the
building
officials
and
they
said
come
here
and
let's
see
what
we
can
do
about
because
we're
there
there's
no
value
in
the
structures
that
are
there.
You
know
the
integrity
is
nothing
you
know,
and
all
we
could
do
is
encapsulate
that
and
you'd
have
a
wall.
That's
over
a
three-foot
thick.
P
P
B
Also
to
share
with
you
the
original
intent
was
to
preserve
the
unit's
because
I'm
such
a
huge
preservationist.
So
it
breaks
my
heart
that
we
have
to
raise
them,
but
as
we
started
to
get
into
the
bidding
of
the
projects
with
contractors,
it
was
becoming
cost
prohibitive
and
it
would
exceed
the
affordability
we're
trying
to
keep
these
units
under
two
hundred
and
twenty
five
thousand
for
affordable
housing.
If
we
would
have
continued
with
preserving
them,
they
would
have
ended
up
at
probably
three
hundred
thousand
I.
B
F
And
I'd
be
glad
to
address
the
two,
the
two
issues,
the
access
or
the
fenestration
I-
don't
see
why
we
can't
get
to
25%
on
the
one
side.
I
think
we're
about
that
on
the
north
side
as
well.
The
windows
really
are
just
driven
by
functionality
on
the
inside
with
the
spaces,
the
bedrooms,
the
way
that
the
units
laid
out
but
I
don't
see
an
issue
with
trying
to
increase
those
and
then
the
access,
the
the
door
on
the
North
elevation.
As
you
can
see,
there's
a
grading
issue.
F
If
you
have
the
elevations
there's
a
great
issue
on
that
side
and
it
really
became
problematic
to
try
and
make
that
work
with
the
layout
on
the
inside
of
a
functional
unit,
and
these
are
condominiums,
so
they
they
need
a
stack,
and
so
access
to
the
second
floor
would
be
really
difficult
from
North
elevation.
So
we've
we
proposed
our
access
to
be
on
the
south-facing
side
of
the
East
elevation.
If
that
makes
sense
to
the
to
stack
condo
units
and.
F
Yeah
we
looked
at
it,
I
think
it's
ten
feet
on
either
side.
It
would
make
it
I
think
nearly
impossible
to
create
units
those
two
condo
units
to
make
those
work,
but
we
were
we
were
caught
between.
If
you
demolish
the
buildings,
you
have
to
build
over
the
existing
footprint.
But
if
you
build
over
the
existing
footprint,
then
you
don't
have
complying
setbacks,
and
so
we
were
kind
of
torn
between
which
ones
are
going
to
govern
here.
Can
we
tear
down
and
build.
F
A
A
K
Okay,
hi
Tiffany
price
I
own,
the
commercial
property-
that's
directly
south
of
where
this
is
building
built,
and
there
is
a
50-foot
giant,
sewer
easement
that
runs
behind
here
and
some
of
the
problems
that
happened
on
the
rear
portion
of
this
project
were
the
setbacks.
I
get
a
lot
of
variance
for
setbacks
and
it's
proved
to
be
very
intensive
on
read'
Avenue.
It
also
just
some
of
the
things
were
just
abutting
the
property
and
just
too
constrained
and
I
know
we're
in
a
time
of
a
lot
of
needs
of
housing.
K
But
really
this
is
there's
a
huge
profit
that
was
made
on
those
back
units.
This
isn't
they
were
sold
at
market
most
of
them
and
so
I
think
to
put
more
pressure
on
the
adjacent
property
owners
without
just
considering
what
is
a
reasonable
setback,
and
if
they
agreed
to
leave
them,
then
they
should
pay
the
price
to
reinforce
the
brick
and
bring
that
up
to
code
if
they
want
to
maintain.
J
What's
there
you
know
to
me,
it
makes
a
lot
more
sense
to
put
that
money
into
something
better,
more
energy-efficient.
You
know
something
better
for
the
environment
and
making
better
use
of
those
resources.
I
am
on
the
backside
and
50%
of
my
East
Side
butts
up
to
his
project
to
their
project
and
50%
of
my
south
property
line
butts
up
to
their
projects.
So
we
did
have
a
lot
of
interactions.
J
J
J
A
N
We
don't
know
so
one
of
the
things
I'm
looking
at
is
that
in
the
front
of
this
building
in
the
old
building,
there
was
a
sort
of
a
what
we
call
an
area
way.
It's
a
kind
of
space
between
the
street
and
the
building
front.
That
is
a
dip
that
goes
down
into
the
lower
level
and
the
lower
level
is
a
few
feet
below
grade.
Is
that
still
the
case
that.
O
O
N
F
F
N
N
N
N
N
And
I
understand
why
you
might
not
want
it
to
be
played
at
played
wet
played
much,
but
it
seems
like
especially
on
the
second
floor
unit.
You
would
want
to
have
more
windows
up
there,
because
it
then
that
they
would
people
would
not
be
able
to
look
in
because
there,
at
least
you
know
on
the
second
floor
floors
anyway.
So
it
just
seems
very
stingy
to
have
just
this
long
skinny
window
in
the
front
and
too
skinny
too
boxy
to
square
windows
on
the
other
elevation.
For
that,
and
without
excuse
me,
is
that
correct?
F
N
B
I'll
make
a
motion
Thank
You
Adrian,
based
on
the
staff
report,
the
information
presented
and
the
input
received
during
the
public
hearing
I
move
that
the
Planning
Commission
approved,
petition,
PLN
Seb
2015,
zero
zero
to
one
eighth.
Regarding
the
amendment
amended
Marmalade
courtyards
plan
development,
with
the
conditions
of
approval
listed
in
the
staff
report,
I'll.
A
A
G
F
J
Q
So,
as
I
said,
I'm
Lara,
Bandera
I
am
an
urban
designer
and
joined
this
city
about
six
months
ago.
My
background
is
in
landscape
architecture,
and
so
one
of
the
things
that
I'm
eager
to
do
is
bring
a
more
intentional
approach
to
urban
landscapes
and
public
spaces
in
Salt,
Lake
City,
and
so
as
part
of
that
I'm
just
going
to
give
you
a
little
presentation
about
what
it
means
when
I
say
urban
landscapes
and.
Q
So
this
is
written
by
an
Weston
spurn.
Who
is
a
landscape
architect
who
teaches
at
MIT
landscape,
associates
people
and
place
Danish
landscape,
German,
land,
shaft,
Dutch,
land
shop
and
Old
English
landscape
combined,
two
roots
land
means
both
a
place
and
the
people
living
there.
Ska
band
schaffen
means
to
shape
suffixes
ska
band
shaft,
as
in
the
English
ship,
also
mean
association
partnership.
Q
So
these
are
meanings,
are
still
strong
in
Scandinavian
and
German
languages,
but
have
a,
but
they
have
all
but
disappeared
from
English.
So
that's
what
I
mean
when
I'm
talking
about
landscape
the
association
between
people
and
place?
That
relationship
which
is
comes
about
because
of
the
way
we
shape
our
environment
so
to
start
I'm
just
going
to
talk
about
how
landscapes
create
frameworks
for
cities
and
regions.
Q
So
this
funk.
This
works
at
the
scale
of
geomorphology.
So
this
is
the
Atlantic
seaboard
and
you
see
all
the
pretty
colors
turning
into
a
sandy
I
guess
it's
whitish
gray
on
this
screen,
but
that
is
the
fall
line,
the
fall
zone
and
what
that
literally
means
is
that's
where
the
waterfalls
are
and
as
a
result
of
all
those
waterfalls
where
the
Appalachian
Mountains
meet
the
Atlantic
coastal
plain.
Q
Q
I
I
This
MOOC
is
about
our
tradition
of
planning
and
designing
for
the
public
good,
and
this
tradition
stems
from
one
basic
historic
fact,
and
that
is
that
much
of
our
country
lies
below
sea
level.
As
you
can
see
here
in
this
historic
atlas,
much
of
what
is
green
here
is
actually
up
to
four
or
five
metres
below
sea
level.
Now
this
means
that
we
have
to
shape
design
mould
our
country
in
order
for
us
to
live
here,
we
have
to
safeguard
this
public
good
safety
from
flooding.
I
Now
the
Netherlands
may
not
float,
but
it's
easy
for
you
to
understand
that
for
us,
it's
very
important
that
we
do
not
drown
now.
This
basic
historic
fact
has
led
to
a
great
collection
of
design,
planning
and
engineering
feats.
The
Dutch
have
constructed
hundreds
of
polar's
which
lie
below
sea
level.
It
is
this
land
reclaimed
and
we
build
them
so
that
we
can
live
and
work
here
safely
and
the
same
goes
for
our
cities.
As
you
can
see
in
this
example,
our
capital
city
Amsterdam.
I
Now,
partly
because
of
this
tradition,
the
Netherlands
was
also
one
of
the
pioneering
countries
for
our
profession,
urbanism
and
just
one
example
of
that
is
this.
The
general
extension
plan
of
Amsterdam,
drawn
up
by
Cornelis
van
astron
in
1934,
and
you
see
here
in
red,
modern
planning
and
design
principles
that
were
experimented
with
on
this
large
scale
for
the
first
time.
I
If
you
look
at
the
form
and
the
structure
of
the
city
of
Amsterdam
as
it
is
today,
you
can
still
recognize
these
shapes
Cornelis
when
a
star,
by
the
way,
who
was
the
first
professor
of
urbanism
here
at
our
faculty
now,
this
MOOC
is
not
about
water
management
or
about
the
famous
Dutch,
architects
and
Urbanists.
It's
about
planning
and
design
for
the
public
good,
and
we
can
do
that
for
any
public
good,
it's
a
way
of
thinking
and
we're
going
to
practice
with
three
basic
principles
which
we
think
are
central
to
our
profession.
I
First,
that
there
is
a
balance
between
research
and
design,
as
you
can
see
here
in
this
student
project,
in
which
an
interpretation
of
the
city
of
Haarlem
was
given
on
the
basis
of
a
research
of
formal
and
historic
analysis
of
the
city,
this
balance
between
research
and
design
is
always
there.
The
second
important
principle
is
that
we
think
and
work
on
multiple
scale
levels
from
the
region
to
the
design
and
detailing
of
public
space
and
when
a
design
is
good.
I
Q
Oh,
do
you
have
one
yeah
that
would
that
would
be
much
more
entertaining
so
that
last
point
I
want
to
repeat
that,
and
this
is
very
much
in
the
way
that
I
was
trained.
When
you
look
at
design,
you
never
see
anything
outside
its
context,
and
so
that
is
something
that,
particularly
as
our
city
grows
and
and
continues
to
develop,
I
think
it's
increasingly
important
that
we
consider
that
context
and
how
it
affects
people
who
use
that
public
space.
Q
So
these
same
principles
of
landscape
organization,
for
cities,
work
or
landscape
frameworks
for
cities
work
in
our
very
own
Salt,
Lake,
Valley,
and
so,
as
you
can
see,
this
Basin
that
we
live
in
is
surrounded
by
mountains
and
we
have
this
huge
body
of
water
to
the
north.
As
we
know
in
the
cultural
context
of
this
place
being
settled
as
a
city,
the
more
umpires
were
fleeing
persecution,
and
so
this
was
an
ideal
place
because
they
felt
secure
here.
Q
Q
Landscapes
also
organize
cities
at
this.
You
know
spatially
right,
so
this
is
Boston.
Some
of
you
may
be
familiar
with
some
the
Emerald
Necklace,
which
I
remember
my
grandmother
insisted
that
we
go
see
in
the
snow
and
she
was
like
in
her
80s
and
driving.
So
that
was
a
thing
anyway.
So
this
this
the
way
that
these
parks
begin
to
give
some
structure
to
the
very
sort
of
let's
say,
inconsistent
grid
of
Boston.
Q
At
the
same
time,
one
thing
that's
really
interesting
to
note
is
the
Back
Bay
fens
there,
which
you
see
by
the
Charles
River,
so
the
Charles
River
was
a
tidal
estuary
and
the
Back
Bay
fens
was
essentially
a
sewer
for
a
long
time
in
historic,
Boston
people
just
tossed
trash
whatever
they
wanted
to
get
rid
of
there
and
they
brought
frederick
law
olmsted
in
to
work
with
that.
So
he
was
really.
Q
You
know
as
one
of
the
first
well.
Let's
say
our
profession
has
a
long
history
of
being
involved
in
infrastructure
projects,
because
he
transformed
this
muck
into
you
know,
essentially
a
garden
that
would
also
flush
out
all
the
stormwater
into
the
title.
Charles
River.
Subsequently,
they
changed
the
flow
of
the
river,
and
so
the
system
no
longer
functions
as
it
did.
Q
F
Q
So
here's
an
outstanding
example
of
a
designed
landscape,
I'm
sure
you're,
familiar
with
the
st.
Louis
Arch
and
again.
This
is
a
whole
composition
right.
So
unfortunately
it
doesn't
read
as
well
as
I
would
like
on
these
multiple
screens.
But
you
have
the
courthouse.
You
know
in
that
set
in
the
city
at
one
end
of
the
park
coming
through
to
the
Mississippi
River,
and
this
gateway
is
to
honor.
Q
Landscape
architecture
is
intentional:
all
that
land
form
is
sculpted,
that
area
I'll
go
back
quickly.
You
see
a
church
kind
of
right
above
the
lower
leg
of
the
arch
there.
That
is
what
is
left
of
the
neighborhood
that
they
raised
to
build
that
site
and
literally
you
still
will
find
rubble
in
the
fill,
and
you
know
it's
a
brick
of
one
of
the
houses
that
was
there
so
there's
you
know,
every
site
has
a.
Q
Place
has
a
history,
but
that
landforms,
so
Eero
Saarinen,
the
architect
who
designed
the
arch
was
actually
a
sculptor
briefly,
and
so
this
land
form
is
completely
man-made
and
he
very
had
this
very
intentional
desire
to
sculpt
that
land
form
and
I
will
also
add
that
Dan
Kiley's,
the
landscape
architect,
did
not
intend
for
it
to
be
manicured
turf.
So
experiences
are
designed.
The
the
pathways
are
lined
with
a
double
la
of
trees
that,
as
you
walk
along
it,
hide
and
reveal
views
to
the
arch.
Q
At
the
same
time,
procession
is
an
incredibly
important
part
of
landscape
architecture.
How
do
you
move
through
a
place?
So
these
are
these
Mont,
the
monumental
staircase,
which
is
the
name,
and
you
can
see
why
that
goes
up
from
the
river
to
the
arch
and
again
it
gives
you
that
sense
of
you're
ascending
to
this
place.
At
the
same
time,
it's
also
again
responding
to
that
context
of
this
incredibly
large
landscape
city
idea
of
manifest
destiny.
Q
F
Q
Q
Q
So
here's
a
good
example
of
that
this
is
the
Steele
Indian
School
in
Phoenix
Arizona,
which
has
been
transformed
into
a
part
by
tonight.
Landscape,
architects
and
some
of
you
may
be
aware
of
the
history
of
Native
American
boarding
schools
where
children
were
taken
from
their
families
not
allowed
to
speak
their
own
languages
in
the
school.
Q
You
know
landscapes
serve
a
really
important
purpose
of
creating
places
of
rest.
This
is
a
busy
city
in
Boston,
the
Prudential
Center
Plaza
by
Mick
young
Mick,
Yong
Kim
design,
and
she
designed
these
lovely
poles
with
birds
on
them
that
flutter
in
the
wind
and
have
fiber
optic
lights
through
the
base.
At
the
same
time,
they've
considered
there's
a
variety
of
seating
types
which
can
accommodate
different
uses
of
the
space,
and
they
also
do
a
lot
of
studies
they're.
Looking
to
see
what
is
the
impact
going
to
be
of
this
intervention
in
the
landscape?
Q
F
Q
Do
a
temporary
design
to
begin
to
envision
the
future
of
that
space
and,
as
you
can
see,
just
by
suggesting
edges
right,
they're,
not
there's,
not
full
enclosure,
it's
not
a
wall,
but
they've
begun
to
frame
the
space
and
shape
the
space.
At
the
same
time,
this
was
always
intended
to
be
temporary
and
lead
to
a
new
space
again
to
generate
ideas
and
enthusiasm
in
the
community,
and
that's
something
I
think
we
could
really
benefit
from
here
in
Salt,
Lake
City.
Q
Q
This
is
Tanner
fountain,
which
is
on
the
Harvard
campus
by
Peter
Walker
partners,
and
you
can
see
those
two
buildings
have
very
different
architectural
styles
and
yet
by
creating
that
focal
point
of
this
spray,
fountain
sort
of
in
an
unexpected
place,
I
think
it
allows
you
to
focus
more
clearly
on
each
building
instead
of
the
jarring
contrast
between
the
two
another
important
piece
of
landscape
architecture
and
urban
landscapes
is
that
they
reflect
seasonal
change.
They
reflect
the
fact
you
know
when
an
architect
hands
you
a
key
to
the
building.
Q
So
this
is
my
final
slide,
so
thank
you
for
staying
with
me.
The
final
thing
I
want
to
do
is
say
that
one
of
the
real
I
think
things
that
we
should
focus
on
and
think
about
in
Salt
Lake
City
is
our
urban
edges
right
and
that
there
are
many
things
we
can
do
so
suggest,
enclosure
or
frame
space
without
necessarily
enclosing
it
right.
Q
So
this
is
a
wonderful
example
in
South
Africa
in
Cape
Town
dedicated
to
Archbishop
Desmond
Tutu,
who
led
anti-apartheid
marches
from
this
place,
designed
by
a
very
well
known,
firm
in
out
of
Norway
and
the
offices
in
New,
York,
Snohetta
and
local
studio,
which
is
based
in
Johannesburg
in
South
Africa,
but
this
arch.
First
of
all,
it
has
14
members
to
you,
know:
symbolize
I,
believe
it's
14
articles
of
the
South
African
Constitution.
At
the
same
time,
the
location
is
incredibly
significant.
This
is
the
company
garden,
so
South
Africa
started
as
well.
Q
The
the
Dutch
began,
their
colonization
of
South
Africa
by
you
know
using
it
as
a
Trading
Post.
Essentially
so
they
would
stop
on
their
way
around
the
Cape
gather
supplies
from
the
garden
and
the
it
so
that
was
you
know,
1600s,
and
since
then
this
has
become
a
very
popular
public
space
in
South
Africa
people
walk
along
that
promenade
and
so
again
to
frame,
but
also
reframe.
That
space
to
say
this
is
a
new
South
Africa
right.
Q
We
we
recognize
the
this
legacy
that
we
have,
but
we
also
recognize
that
we
have
the
capacity
to
create
a
new
future,
a
much
better
future.
So
with
that,
I'll
stop,
and
you
know,
I
hope
that
you
will
all
see
me
as
a
resource
and
should
you
have
questions
or
you
know
anything
that
I
can
provide
for
you.
Q
B
D
Q
So
just
to
respond
briefly
again,
because
my
background
is
so
multidisciplinary
and
collaborative
I
I,
just
don't
see
boundaries,
so
I
have
been
reaching
out
to
a
lot
of
different
departments
and
public
art
is
one,
and
actually
it
was
just
recently
at
the
national
APA
conference
in
San
Francisco
and
came
back
very
excited
about
some
ideas
about
integrating
arts
and
planning.
So
we
I've
already
had
discussions
I.
Q
Q
N
Want
to
thank
you
for
bringing
all
of
this
to
our
attention
and
and
I
want
to
also
ask
you
and
Molly.
It
seems
like
in
our
downtown
in
particular
we're
missing,
not
only
the
significant
public
art,
but
also
just
the
green
space.
The
open
space
and
if
there
are
plans
to
you,
know,
have
an
open
space
plan
or
a
some
other
kind
of
plan,
especially
with
more
people
moving
into
downtown
and
the.
N
Q
B
F
B
There's
a
lot,
and
but
it
does
require
more
public-private
partnership,
as
as
Laura
suggested
that,
when
we're
thinking
about
the
about
great
city
making,
it
is
not
ever
done
by
one
entity
unless
that
one
entity
is
like
has
all
the
has
all
the
cards.
And
then
it's
probably
not
a
very
democratic
process.
So.
B
B
Much
more
dramatically
and
acquisition
of
downtown
property
is
going
to
become
more
challenging
as
our
surface
parking
lots
developed,
which
is
what
we
want,
but
we
have
to
think
more
strategically
about
how
we
create
a
larger
framework
for
public
space
and
the
public
realm,
particularly
Park
space
and
and
useable
spaces
for
people
throughout
the
downtown.
So
I
need
to
think
creatively
about
perhaps
the
land
we
already
owned
and
how
we
might
better
utilize
that
for
people
and
plants.