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PLanning Commission Meeting - December 11, 2019
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A
A
We
all
know
that
we're
growing
rapidly,
I
think.
From
my
perspective,
the
feel
of
growth
has
really
changed.
We're
starting
to,
for
example,
spill
out
and
see
lots
of
growth
in
new
valleys,
we're
starting
to
see
a
lot
more
infill
and
redevelopment.
There's
a
lot
of
different
ways
that
growth
infrastructure,
open
space
preservation
can
unfold
and
the
notion
of
Wasatch
choice.
2050
is,
let's,
let's
think
about
coordinating
the
activities
of
local
government
regional
infrastructure
providers,
even
the
state
government.
How
do
we
align
those
things
so
that
we
maximize
quality
of
life?
A
That's
the
concept,
and
so
it
was
an
effort
that
involved
our
organization
all
the
way
down
through
Utah
County,
the
Selleck
Chamber
envision
Utah,
the
KMC
Gardner
Policy,
Institute,
League
of
cities
and
towns
and
all
of
those
communities
that
we
serve
so
very
broad-based,
a
grassroots
effort
that
was
and
I'm
giving
you
the
very
high-level
story
here.
But
let's
start
with
what
do
we
want
to
achieve
if
we
got
in
a
time
machine
and
we
landed
in
the
future
in
2050?
What's
the
quality
of
life
that
we
would
hope
we
would
have?
A
And
now,
let's
see
how
we
get
there,
let's
set
those
goals,
then
let's
look
at
different
ways
to
achieve
those
goals
and
then,
let's
drill
down
into
the
details
enough
that
it's
clear
what
we
all
ought
to
do
as
we
work
with
in
our
own
spheres
to
get
to
that
future.
That's
the
idea-
and
so
here
are
the
five
things
I'm
gonna
touch
base
on
in
the
next
handful
of
minutes.
What
are
the
goals
that
we
all
landed
on?
A
A
What
is
the
geography
of
those
strategies?
How
does
this
land
on
a
map,
and
why
should
we
care
what
are
the
some
of
the
regional
outcomes
and
then
I've
just
got
a
few
parting
thoughts
for
Salt
Lake
City
itself,
our
council,
which
is
made
up
of
elected
officials
from
across
the
region.
It
has
been
the
mayor
best,
coop
ski,
has
been
a
member
of
our
council,
so
it
represents
that
whole
area
listened
to
feedback
from
across
the
region.
Came
to
these
goals.
Here's
the
I'd!
A
The
idea
with
these
is
this
might
be
pretty
common
for
you
all
here
at
the
city
to
think
holistically
to
think
about
how
how
affordable
is
life.
What
is
our
environmental
impact
in
addition
to
how?
How
well
does
our
economy
thrive
but
think
about
you,
dot,
okay
or
think
about
EDC
you,
the
Economic,
Development
Corporation
of
Utah?
Do
they
think
about
housing?
Affordability?
Do
they
think
about
environmental
sustainability?
Can
we
get
a
broad
group
of
people
to
align
across
a
holistic
set
I'm
not
going
to
go
through
these
one
by
one?
A
But
this
is
the
ideas,
let's
all
think
about
how
investments,
land,
development
decisions
etc.
Impact
lots
of
things
not
just
a
narrow
set
of
outcomes.
So
those
are
the
goals
those
were
adopted
by
Wasatch
Front
Regional
Council.
These
are
the
four
key
strategies
and
I'll
go
through
these
one
by
one,
but
we
heard
these
resonate
across
the
region.
These
will
sound
a
little
bit
like
motherhood
and
apple
pie
to
you.
So
I'll
go
through
them
quickly.
Let's
provide
transportation
choices.
People
have
the
options
to
get
around
the
way
they
want
to.
A
We
embed
that
into
the
Utah's
unified
transportation
plan.
Have
you
heard
about
this
document,
so
that
strategy
has
really
moved
forward
in
Utah's
unify
transportation
plan,
so
Wasatch
choice
2050.
This
conversation
has
a
formal
basis
in
the
transportation
plan
that
you
dot
and
UTA
must
follow.
So
it's
not
just
pardon
my
use
of
the
term
adorable.
It's
not
just
an
adorable
vision.
It's
a
vision
that
affects
the
transportation
plan
formally.
A
And
it
contemplates
proof
having
people
move
from,
let's
say:
20%
have
access
to
high-capacity
transit.
Can
we
approximately
double
that?
Can
we
approximately
double
those
that
have
access
to
safe
bicycling
facilities?
The
second
is
housing
options,
a
range
of
housing
options
to
meet
the
diversity
of
wants
and
needs.
The
third
is
to
preserve
open
space,
and
the
fourth
is
perhaps
the
crux
of
Wasatch
choice:
2050,
which
is:
let's
link
these
things
together.
Let's
link
our
economic
development
decisions
with
transportation
and
housing
decisions.
A
Let
me
give
you
a
quick
sense
of
one
of
the
sicknesses
in
transportation
planning
nationwide.
Hey
we
built
something
now
development
will
happen.
Look
at
how
we
spurred
the
economy.
It
doesn't
matter
where
that
construction
happened
or
where
the
development
happened.
It
could
be
far-flung
so
that
people
have
to
commute
a
long
distance.
Nobody
cares,
let's
think
strategically
about
where
we
are
helping
economic
development
happen.
Can
people
get
there?
How
does
it
relate
to
housing
affordability?
A
Can
we
maximize
our
infrastructure
investment,
so
we've
simplified
that
fourth
strategy,
Linc
economic
development
of
transportation
and
housing
decisions
which
does
not
fit
on
a
bumper
sticker
into
hashtag?
Where
matters
so
we
even
have
the
hashtag
and
everything,
but
this
is
one
of
if
you
have
two
or
three
key
takeaways
from
my
presentation.
I
hope
this
is
one
of
them,
which
is
that
when
we
all
maximize
the
opportunities
of
regional
infrastructure,
we
do
a
lot
better
as
a
region.
Where
are
those
places?
A
Well,
those
are
tracks
line
along
400,
south
they're,
the
front-runner
stops
there
are
even
freeway
interchanges.
They
are
those
places.
Are
we
maximizing
them?
This
is
Layton
ken
Layton,
take
a
front
runner
station
and
turn
it
into
a
walkable
place.
Now
we,
the
concept
here,
is
centering
centered
development,
here's
a
city
without
centers
and
the
city,
the
same
city,
same
number
of
homes
and
jobs
with
centers
and
the
cursor.
You
can
see
my
cursor,
we
are
seeing
and
I
bet
you're,
seeing
this
in
Salt
Lake
City
too.
A
We
are
seeing
communities
around
the
region
say
we
are
tired
of
dealing
with
aggressive
developers
and
the
demands
of
growth,
and
we
don't
want
it.
We
don't
want-
and
we
certainly
don't
want
to
have
more
dense
development
than
we're
used
to.
Let's
just
say
no,
let's
just
say
no
everywhere.
Well,
what
happens
when
we
say
no
everywhere,
the
development
does
go
somewhere
it
relocates,
but
just
to
a
less
desirable
location,
it
doesn't
disappear.
There's
no
magic
wand
that
causes
it
to
poof,
go
away.
It
just
spreads
out.
A
What
we
found
is
by
listening
to
the
communities
that
we've
participated
with
through
this
process
is,
if
we
say
yes
in
strategic
places,
and
we
allow
development
to
occur,
maybe
in
a
very
dense
format,
but
in
a
way
that
creates
a
sense
of
place
and
supports
transit
util
it
use.
This
is
Tod.
It's
new
downtown's,
it's
revitalizing
existing
downtown's
that
that's
the
nexus
between
what's
politically
palatable
and
also
what
is
great
for
the
region.
A
That's
the
concept
of
centers,
and
so
the
image
on
the
right
advantage
of
the
strategic
locations
creates
a
strong
sense
of
place
in
those
locations,
and
the
net
effect
is,
if
you
can
see
the
edge,
it
actually
saves
a
lot
of
land.
It
results
in
a
general
set
of
positive
outcomes,
reducing
growth,
pressure
on
the
edge,
better
affordability
for
jobs,
I
pardon
me
for
homes
and
commuting
and
resulting
cleaner
air,
in
other
words
where
matters,
but
we
have
to
think
about
these
things
as
a
region.
We
can't
just
think
about
this
development
on
this
block.
A
A
You
recognize
these
images,
15th
and
15th,
9th
and
9th
sugarhouse
4th
South
Salt
Lake
City
is
a
city
of
vibrant
centers.
This
is
the
story
of
the
way
development
ISM
is
unfolding
in
Salt,
Lake
City
I'm,
here
to
reinforce
that
this
is
not
just
a
Selleck
City
issue.
It's
a
regional
issue
how
these
centers
go,
but
they're
happening
in
in
other
areas.
There
are
other
other
areas
outside
of
Selig
City
that
are
experiencing
all
kinds
of
interesting
issues
too.
This
is
the
Karen's
in
downtown
sandy,
all
right,
so
I
went
through
the
goals.
A
I
did
the
strategies
and
outcomes
and
then
here's
the
geography
of
the
of
Wasatch
choice,
2050,
which
I
will
not
go
through
in
any
detail,
but
I
will
invite
you
to
peruse
it
later
on
your
own.
But
there
is
a
map
and
a
an
entire
website
that
breaks
the
elements:
transportation,
land,
use
economic
development
and
open
space
into
components
and
invites
communities
to
drill
down.
Think
about
what
what
are
we
doing?
A
Where
are
we
going
while
such
choice
comes
from
cities,
we're
trying
to
help
cities
go
where
you
want
to
go
while
you
think
about
the
region,
so
the
map
gets
at
Roads,
transit,
bicycling
investments
and
major
land
use
component
centers,
but
also
employment
areas,
industrial
areas
and
open
space,
and
so
this
is
looking
at
the
Wasatch
choice
website,
zooming
in
to
Selleck,
City
and
I'm
not
going
to
go
through
this
in
detail,
I'm
just
giving
you
the
lay
of
the
land,
and
how
am
I
doing
on
time?
Madam
chair?
Okay,.
A
So
it
combines
those
those
components
together
in
a
vision
map.
Then
it
breaks
it
up
into
specific
details.
If
you
were
to
go
to
this
and
click
on
any
particular
line,
you
would
get
details
about
what
is
contemplated
in
the
transportation
plan.
So,
for
example,
you'd
learn
about
the
timing
and
details
of
a
proposed
bus,
rapid
transit
line
on
second
south
and
the
timing
and
details
of
a
proposed
S
line
connection
the
sugarhouse
line
connection
to
fort
south.
So
this
is
the
most
formal
component
of
the
vision,
because
this
is
the
formal
transportation
plan.
A
The
the
the
land
use
component
come
came
directly
from
feedback
from
staff.
Commission
was
invited
city
council
mayor
through
a
four
year
process,
so
these
represent
the
center's
that
you
said
we
are
working
on.
They
may
already
be
in
your
general
plan.
You
might
be
contemplating
working
on
some
of
these
centers
over
time.
So
this
is
a
hierarchy
of
centers.
You
can
see,
certainly
see,
downtown
and
and
and
State
Street
and
smaller
centers
as
well.
Certainly,
for
example,
that
is
sugarhouse
right
and
then
then
there
is
economic
development.
A
One
of
the
things
that
you'll
find
here
is
these
are
the
state's
what
do
they
call
them
the
I'm
trying
to
find
their
term,
but
it's
the
the
state's
core
economic
clusters.
These
are
the
economic
clusters
that
the
state
says.
Utah
has
a
competitive
advantage
on
these
types
of
clusters:
bio
bioscience,
I
tea
in
some
places,
aerospace
things
like
that
where
Utah
has
a
competitive
advantage.
A
Where
are
they
happening
where
they
cluster
and
you'll
get
that
information
on
this
and
then
the
last
one
is
recreation
in
open
space
which
I
will
frankly
tell
you,
is
the
Achilles
heel
of
Wasatch
choice
2050?
We
need
to
work
on
that
as
a
as
a
region,
but
we
recognize
that
we
need
to
work
on
that.
So
that's
the
geography.
A
This
has
a
lot
of
benefits
for
the
region.
A
few
of
them
are,
if
you
think
about
how
many
jobs
a
household
can
get
to
on
average.
Does
this
make
sense
within
a
typical
commute?
How
much
can
you
how
much
interaction
can
you
get
to
by
the
way?
This
is
a
strong
predictor
of
upward
economic
mobility
for
lower-income
households,
the
more
jobs
and
educational
opportunities
they
can
get
to
that
much
more
likely
it
is.
A
They
can
move
up
the
socio-economic
ladder
more
important
for
by
transit,
but
here's
today,
if
we
don't
institute
the
vision,
we
anticipate
that
declines
to
130,000
for
car
38,000
for
transit.
Does
that
make
sense?
And
if
we
Institute
that
vision,
coordinating
centers
in
transit,
centers
infrastructure,
economic
development,
then
we
can
do
a
lot
better
than
we're
at
today.
So
congestion
grows
it
will.
We
can
still
actually
have
better
ability
to
interact
with
our
economy
and
and
help
low,
especially
lower-income
residents
forge
a
better
life
for
themselves,
though.
A
Those
are
some
of
the
benefits
that
we're
projecting
last
point
and
then
I
will
stop
and
see.
If
you
have
any
questions,
you
want
to
discuss,
I'm
going
to
say
something
that
you
may
already
completely
agree
with,
but
I
want
to
even
say
it's
a
fact.
It's
a
fact
that
Salt
Lake
City
is
the
best
place
for
growth
in
Utah.
A
Discuss
here
are
some
data
points
behind
that
this
is
greenhouse
gas
emissions
per
household?
If
I
were
to
zoom
out,
you
would
see
Selleck
City
as
this
light
colored
area,
in
other
words,
low
emissions
per
household
and
you'd,
see
the
rest
of
Utah's,
basically
really
bright
red.
This
is
one
of
the
few
places
where
we
have.
A
In
Salt
Lake
City,
a
household
that
locates
in
Selleck
City,
is
able
to
get
two
more
jobs
have
more
opportunities.
It
has
a
better
opportunity
to
build
a
great
life
by
being
able
to
interact
with
more
of
the
economy.
That's
another
reason:
that's
what
this
map
shows
you.
If
it's
darker,
it's
the
more
destinations
you
can
get
to
left
is
by
Auto,
and
right
is
by
transit
and
I'm.
This
data
is
available
to
you
and
it
drills
down
into
a
lot
of
depth
and
I,
invite
you
to
take
a
look
at
it
I.
A
A
A
You
should
know
and
remember
that
transportation
costs
are
naturally
lower
in
Salt,
Lake
City
and
that's
part
of
that
housing
and
affordability,
housing
and
transportation,
affordability
equation
so
last
slide
or
second
to
last
slide.
Salt
Lake
is
the
heart
of
the
region.
It's
the
best
place
for
growth
in
Utah,
lowest,
environmental
footprint
per
person,
lowest
per
household
cost
of
transport,
best
access
to
jobs
and
services.
I
want
to
let
you
know
or
remind
you.
You
may
already
know
this.
Your
leadership
as
a
city
is
very
visible.
A
We
love
to
put
you
on
a
pedestal,
and
you
are
doing
this.
This
is
not
new,
though
things
you're
doing
to
address
housing,
affordability,
it's
it
resonates
beyond
your
city.
The
way
you
deal
with
parking
that
I
mean
it.
You
know
it's
not
a
manushya
question
a
lot
of
other
people
do,
but
it
it
resonates
green
bike.
The
nine
line
I
could
go
on
and
on
and
on
right.
The
way
you're
dealing
with
scooters
as
an
example
lots
of
things
when
you
innovate,
we
we
we
love
it
and
we
use
it
and
it
ripples.
A
So
just
be
aware
that,
and
regardless
of
what
you
do
on
the
policy
front,
as
goes
Salt
Lake
to
a
large
extent,
so
goes
the
region
when
you
think
about
transit,
use
growing
in
Salt,
Lake
City,
it
tends
to
enable
us
to
have
stronger
transit
across
the
entire
region.
Let
me
let
me
have
it
you
do
a
real
quick
thought
exercise
picture
the
bay
area
without
San
Francisco
and
instead
of
San
Francisco
plug
in
oh.
A
Downtown
really
drives
regional
transportation.
That's
my
point.
I
kind
of
messed
that
up
by
having
salt
like
me,
but
be
plugged
in
I've
messed
that
up
I
should
have
disparaged
Phoenix
or
something
like
that.
It's
my
bad
all
right,
ASCO,
Salt,
Lake,
so
goes
much
of
the
overall
economy.
Just
ask
Detroit
that's
another
example
in
that
front,
but
the
heart
of
the
region
matters
a
ton.
C
A
C
A
The
the
transportation
plan
is
based
on
extensive
modeling,
using
a
two
models:
a
travel
demand
model
and
a
real
estate
model.
The
travel
demand
model
gives
us
a
sense
of
how
people
will
behave,
how
they
will
want
to
commute
where
they
will
want
to
go.
What
those
impacts
will
have
on
the
road
system
and
the
transit
system
and
air
quality,
and
the
real
estate
market
model
gives
us
a
sense
of
how
will
the
development
sector
interact
with
zoning,
given
that
future
infrastructure?
A
And
so
it's
not
a
perfect
thing,
but
it
does
give
us
all
a
general
sense
of
if
we
do
a
B,
C
and
D.
What
are
those
impacts?
So
it's
useful
in
getting
the
a
broad
sense
of
impacts,
regional,
it's
also
useful
in
helping
us
get
a
sense
of
how
can
we
take
advantage
of
or
mitigate
different
transportation
issues
that
might
pop
up
across
the
region?
So
does
that
answer
your
question?
Yeah.
A
Models,
most
cities,
don't
mm
yeah.
Some
some
cities
use
them
when
they
do
their
overall
transportation
master
plan
and
that
that's
the
time
that
they
will
utilize
those
models.
So
some
cities
do
that
and
I
and
including
select
city
when
Salt
Lake
City
does.
Does
your
large-scale
transportation
master
plans?
Those
are
utilized.
F
Good
evening,
commissioners,
this
is
in
regard
to
an
Adu,
that's
been
proposed
at
9:40
to
south
900
east,
and
this
is
being
done.
Andrea
Palmer
of
Mobile
living
is
seeking
conditional
use
approval
for
the
detached
accessory
dwelling
unit
at
the
rear
of
the
subject
parcel
on
behalf
of
the
owner
of
the
parcel,
and
this
is
happening
because
it's
located
in
the
r15
thousand
zoning
district
and
all
ad
you
propose
proposals
located
in
single-family.
Zoning
districts
must
go
through
a
conditional
use
approval
process.
F
F
This
is
another
view
of
it:
it's
showing
the
site
plan
here
and
then,
where
the
ad
you
would
actually
be
placed
on
the
site
and
with
this
the
parking
has
two
spaces
that
are
accessed
from
900,
east
and
one
from
the
alley.
So
there
would
be
a
total
of
three
on
that
site.
As
you
can
see
on
the
site
plan,
the
two
spaces-
access
from
900
east
are
located
behind
the
front
facade
of
the
house
and
then
coming
from
the
rear
yard.
G
H
Was
the
council's
policy
at
the
time
that
generally
most
of
our
other
zones,
like
RMF
NSR
1a
zones,
already
have
a
lot
of
mixture
of
different
types
of
housing
where
our
our
one
zones
were
generally
just
single-family?
And
so
this
was
adding
another
element
to
that,
and
so
to
get
it
expanded
away
from
just
those
transit
heavy
areas
a
it
used
to
be.
H
You
had
to
be
within
a
half
mile
of
a
rail
line,
so
to
do
that,
the
it
made
the
the
council
felt
more
comfortable
saying
if
we
did
at
the
condition
unit
process,
we
would
know
that
each
site
would
be
looked
at
uniquely
and
individually
and
if
there
is
some
sort
of
negative
impact,
that
conditions
can
be
added
to
help
mitigate
that.
Okay,.
G
And
the
reason
asked
the
question
is
because
it
from
the
staff
report,
it
looks
like
it
perfectly
meets
the
ADA
ordinance,
at
least
as
as
interpreted
in
the
staff
report.
But
the
Adu
ordinance
is
a
bi
right
in
multifamily
zones,
but
but
conditioned
in
single-family
zones.
So
what
is
it
above
and
beyond
the
exact
text
of
the
ordinance
that
we're
supposed
to
be
reviewing
in
order
to
make
a
decision
so
with.
H
H
Not
the
conditional
use
is
generally
assumed
to
be
a
permitted
use
as
long
as
there's
no
substantial
negative
impacts,
it
can
be
mitigated,
and
so
those
Kings
like,
for
example,
some
a
to
use,
have
been
required
to
have
a
privacy
fence
to
help
contain
that
unit
and
provide
some
privacy
of
neighbors
things
like
lighting
things
will
avoid
sound
or
other
types
of
nuisance.
Scissored.
Those
are
the
kind
of
things
that
you'd
be
looking
at
to
say.
You
know
what
are
the
negative
impacts
that
come
from
this
use.
B
B
I
For
the
record,
my
name
is
Andrea
Palmer
and
I
am
representing
Kimberly
loft
house
in
this
project.
She's
the
current
home
owner
4
9
4
2009
hundred
East
I
work
for
a
company
called
modal
living.
We
actually
started
based
off
Salt
Lake
City's
accessory
dwelling
unit
ordinance.
We
were
really
excited
to
find
a
way
to
help
increase
the
housing
shortage
in
Salt
Lake
City,
while
also
helping
homeowners
increase
their
overall
property
value.
I
But
we
also
wanted
to
make
this
process
as
simple
as
possible
for
homeowners,
so
that
is
where
we
stepped
in
and
helping
with
the
permitting
process,
just
so
that
this
homeowner
can
relax
and
sit
back
until
their
permitting
is
completed
and
they
can
have
their
unit
placed
once
it's
ready.
It's
really
great
about
our
unit.
I
What's
really
great
about
her
property
because
I'm
doing
a
lot
of
these
projects,
I've
seen
a
lot
of
neighbors
being
concerned
with
congestion
and
parking,
but
with
her
having
the
alleyway
access
there,
you're
not
going
to
see
any
congestion
with
a
DUI
q
pent
parking
on
ninth
east.
So
overall
she
has
a
really
perfect
property
for
the
accessory
dwelling
unit.
As
far
as
use
goes,
she
has
a
lot
of
family
that
lives
out
of
town
and
so
she's
really
excited
to
have
a
place
for
them
to
stay
when
they
come
to
visit.
I
But
what's
also
really
great
about
the
accessory
dwelling
unit.
Ordinance
is
that
there
is
the
possibility
for
rental
to
generate
more
income.
So
that
is
also
something
that
she
has
an
option
of
using
as
a
rental
but
yeah,
it's
pretty
straightforward
and
and
simple
and
I
think
her
property.
It's
the
unit
perfect.
We.
I
We
give
them
the
option
to
choose
exterior
cladding,
exterior
color,
there's
some
options
inside
with
flooring,
cabinetry
colors,
but
for
the
most
part
it's
pretty
much
all
furnished.
They
really
just
have
to
get
a
mattress
for
their
bed
and
any
other
decorations
whatnot.
But
that's
as
far
as
it
goes
customizable
we
have
just
one
floor
plan
that
they're
able
to
use.
So
thanks.
K
K
A
K
B
L
My
name
is
Darrell
hi
I'm,
co-chair
of
the
East
Liberty
Park
Community
Council,
and
this
is
Dave
Richards,
who
is
our
land
use
chair
we've
held
as
a
Community
Council,
a
number
of
public
meetings
concerning
ad
use,
and
we
wanted
to
emphasize
this
evening
that,
as
a
community
council,
we
generally
are
in
favor
of
ad
use.
We've
held
meetings
for
a
number
of
them
located
within
our
boundaries
and
have
not
taken
a
position
in
opposition.
We
submitted
a
specific
letter
with
recommendation
on
this
property.
L
L
Specifically
with
parking
noise
density
and
walkability
issues,
if
you
look
at
the
overhead
views
of
the
property
it
shows
and
and
the
owners
represented,
that
there
were
two
parking
spaces
in
front
of
the
property
on
ninth
East,
which
is
not
allowed.
According
to
city
code,
we
met
as
a
board
last
Saturday
and
and
discussed
this
property.
The
only
place
that's
possible
to
park.
There
is
a.
L
The
only
access
for
the
ad
you
would
need
to
be
from
the
alleyway
and
we're
we're
not
sure
that
there's
adequate
parking
for
the
owner
of
the
house
and
the
ATU
a
number
we've
received
a
number
of
calls
from
residents
their
terminology,
not
ours,
but
they're
concerned
about
the
quality
of
this
particular
ad.
You
on
site
and
the
term
that
was
used
was
it
looks
a
lot
like
a
mobile
home
that
it
will
be
brought
in
and
deposited
on
site.
L
M
I
would
probably
speak
more
to
the
technical
issues
similar
to
the
comments
regarding
your
comment.
Commissioner
about
the
need
for
conditional
use,
review,
I.
Think
it's
valid
when
you
have
a
predominantly
single-family
dwelling
zoning
district,
you
allow
a
number
of
these
to
come
in.
You
effectively
have
rezone
it
to
an
r2
at
that
point,
and
so
I
think
it's
it's
a
good
process.
It
doesn't
impede
good
cases
but
still
allows
review
of
into
individual
cases
that
come
forth.
M
One
of
our
concerns
with
this
particular
project
was
the
documentation
was
submitted.
We
felt
was
really
lacking
in
detail.
I
mean
there's
no
indication
on
the
site
plan
that
shows
how
people
walk
to
get
to
the
ATU.
Is
there
a
concrete
walkway,
no
indication
whether
they
want
to
utilize
the
alley
which
we
highly
recommend,
because
that
would
limit
cars
shuffling
in
the
driveway
which
usually
ends
up
on
the
street?
So
just
a
little
more
thorough,
I.
Think
preparation
in
terms
of
their
semilla
would
be
useful
to
us
to
evaluate
it.
M
It
you
know,
refers
to
certifying
by
a
National
Organization
and
complying
with
all
building
codes.
I
guess
our
question
is,
is
how
is
that
verified?
Whereas
a
house
that's
built
on-site,
gets
inspected
regularly
the
drawings
for
the
construction
get
reviewed
by
building
services
with
a
manufactured
home,
that's
being
dropped
off
and
basically
connected
to
a
foundation.
How
is
that?
How
are
those
standards
enforced
and
inspected?
M
That's
a
question
from
us
that
maybe
staff
can
answer
or
maybe
needs
to
be
passed
on
the
building
services,
but
we've
seen
more
of
these
would
like
to
know
a
little
more
information
so
that
everybody's
comfortable
with
what's
going
on
and
we're
open
to
any
questions.
If
you
have
any
just
under
the
limit
now,
Paul
doesn't
have
to
throw
me
out.
Thank.
B
You
very
much
for
your
feedback.
Okay
I
have
two
cards.
One
I'm
going
to
read
as
the
as
the
submitter
does
not
wish
to
speak,
it's
from
Michelle
Dornan
and
she
has
the
following
concerns
regarding
the
proposed
project:
one
potential
of
added
volume
and
wear
and
tear
on
community
common
utility
infrastructure
to
potential
of
decrease
and
my
property
value
and
effect
on
my
lifestyle
due
to
increased
population
density,
noise,
etc.
3.
What
if
property
is
sold
potential,
less
cooperative
owner
and
for
precedent?
B
N
Want
to
say
we
had
people
that
lived
in
apartments
next
to
us
in
a
basement
apartment.
My
name
is
Josh
Stewart
I've
advanced
1867
Princeton,
and
we
had
like
college
students
there
and
they
went
to
the
medical
school
and,
and
they
were
wonderful
neighbors.
They
went
to
our
local
church
congregation.
We
were
so
glad
to
have
them,
and
so
the
sky's
not
falling
every
time
you
add,
density
to
a
community.
So
that's
my
common
thing
right.
O
Hi
I'm
Kim,
Lofthouse
I'm,
actually
the
owner
of
the
property,
so
I'd
like
to
thank
Andrea
for
taking
care
of
the
whole
process
for
me,
but
I
wanted
to
come
to
the
meeting
anyway
and
see
what
it
was
all
about.
So
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
some
misinformation,
the
whole
north
side
of
my
driveway.
It
actually
goes
from
ninth
east
all
the
way
to
the
alleyway.
O
If
I
parked
car
per
car
I
could
fit
about
10
cars
in
there
so
I
park,
my
car
in
the
front
in
the
driveway
I
do
put
the
garbage
cans
in
there
because
I
don't
need
all
that
space
and
then
there
is
it.
There's
probably
enough
for
two
parked
car
two
parked
cars
in
the
back
right
next
to
the
modal,
so
parking
definitely
won't
be
an
issue.
Let's
see
trying
to
think
of
oh-
and
you
know,
everyone
seems
to
be
worried
about
the
impact
I'm.
O
A
single
woman
I've
lived
there
alone
for
15
years,
I'm
one
person
on
a
point,
one
eight
lot.
So
this
is
a
tiny
unit.
It
may
have
one
person,
it
might
have
two
people,
but
that's
three
people
on
a
point.
One
eight
lop
so
I,
don't
think
we're
over
impact
in
the
neighborhood
I've
been
there
for
15
years.
This
is
my
forever
home,
so
I
plan
to
be
there
for
a
very
long
time.
I
love
the
idea
of
the
modal
for
all
the
options.
I
have
an
aging
mother,
I
have
a
large
family
I.
O
B
O
O
So
the
impact
is
in
the
Le,
not
through
my
driveway,
not
through
my
property,
so
I'm
kind
of
creating
like
a
little
courtyard
for
its
own
house,
I'm,
calling
it
the
garden
house,
but
so
it
may
be
comfortable
for
a
future
brother
and
sister
for
an
aging
mom
and
may
be
comfortable
for
maybe,
if
I
travel.
It
might
be
comfortable
for
my
personal
little
city
house,
if
I
rent
out
my
front
house,
so
lots
of
options
there,
but
definitely
not
high
impact,
it
can
only
fit
maybe
one
it
can
only
fit
one.
O
B
K
I
just
wanted
to
address
one
one.
Last
issue
appreciated
the
comments
from
the
community
council
members
and
wanted
to
say
that
we
appreciate
their
their
request
for
additional
information
on
the
site
plans
and
showing
additional
access
through
alleyways
and
how
we
might
impact
surrounding
neighbors
and
will
will
plan
to
do
that.
Moving
forward.
We
show
on
the
site,
plans
that
requirements
that
the
Salt
Lake
City
requests
from
us
additionally
wanted
to
address
any
concerns
about
the
quality
of
the
units
manufactured
homes
traditionally
have
a
stigma
associated
with
them.
K
We
have
a
model
home
that
anybody
any
one
of
you
are
welcome
to
come
tour.
It
was
previously
at
City,
Creek
Center.
It's
currently
on
the
corner
of
400,
south
and
900
East
by
appointment,
we'd
love
to
take
you
through
it
and
show
you
the
quality.
The
quality
that
we
build
is
far
above
and
beyond
what
you'd
find
in
a
traditional
manufactured
home.
K
M
I
ask
you
a
question:
you
mentioned
that
these
are
manufactured
at
a
offsite
location.
Yes,
you
probably
already
know
that
so
Lake
is
a
area
prone
to
earthquakes
and
those
kinds
of
seismic
activities,
of
course,
are
your
models
prepared
or
I
guess
designed
to
resist
this
type
of
natural
disaster,
for
example?
Yes,.
K
They
are
so
so
these
homes,
because
they
are
built
entirely
in
the
factory
and
shipped
down
the
road
and
then
craned
on
site,
as
you
can
imagine,
there's
some
quite
a
bit
of
extra
over
engineering
involved
structurally,
so
so
that
impacts
earthquake
ratings
as
well.
We're
currently
working,
although
this
is
not
entirely
completed
to
work
in
progress,
we're
working
with
Salt
Lake
City
to
approve
a
helical
screw
pile
permanent
foundation
which
has
superior
earthquake
ratings
as
well.
M
Okay,
another
question
is
the
the
plans
that
we
receive
that
I
received
anyway,
they're
kind
of
sketchy
and
and
somewhat
lacking
and
their
information.
Is
that
something
that's
usual
for
when
you
present,
you
know
the
the
way
it's
manufactured,
etcetera,
etcetera
or
maybe
you're
just
putting
things
together,
and
so
information
is
coming
and,
as
you
are
planning
this
particular
project.
M
K
As
more
of
these
come
through
because
we
currently
have
I
believe
our
company
has
more
than
thirty
that
are
going
through
just
in
Salt
Lake
City
right
now,
Kimberly's
was
one
of
our
one
of
the
first
ones
that
came
through
and
was
a
busy
summer
with
construction,
so
we're
just
out
here
on
the
Planning
Commission,
and
so
so.
A
lot
of
the
renderings
and
plans
that
we'll
be
submitting
moving
forward
will
be
that
they're
becoming
more
and
more
complete
as
we
get
into
the
process.
Further.
K
G
Sorry,
okay,
I
support
ad
use,
I
think
they're,
important
I,
think
they're
really
important
part
of
our
solving
our
housing
problems
in
the
city.
My
concern
is
with
this
one
that,
because
it's
a
manufactured
home
because
there's
no
customization
of
it,
it
is
exactly
like
the
one
we
saw
last
week
or
last
month.
However,
the
site
conditions
are
very
different.
This
one
has
an
alley
axis
which
in
a
lot
of
ways,
I
think
is
super
important.
It
makes
it
much
easier
for
parking.
It
makes
it
much
better
in
terms
of
access
to
that
and
congestion.
G
H
There
are
standards
for
entrance
locations
for
detached
and
for
attached
ones
as
well.
Excuse
me,
it
says
the
interesting
accessory
dwelling
unit
when
you
know
I
would
scroll
down
it's
so
facing
an
alley,
public
sure
you're
facing
the
rear
facade.
So
basically
the
doors
can
face
one
or
the
other.
It's
not
facing
the
interior
side
yards
so
you're,
not
getting
that
activity
on
your
neighbors
properties
and
I'm
kind
of
focused.
G
And
I
couldn't
be
wrong,
but
I
think
the
old
one
required
that
it
faced
the
alley
and
that's
that's
something
that
that
I
think
is
actually
pretty
important.
So
I
think
my
concern
with
this
is
not
the
use,
not
the
traffic,
not
the
fact
that
there's
you're
adding
another
unit
of
density
or
it's
not
a
unit
of
density,
I,
guess
but
adding
another
dwelling
unit
to
that
to
that
Street.
But
I
do
think
that
if,
because
we're
this
sounds
like
we're,
gonna
be
seeing
30
of
these
come
through
or
a
lot
of
them
come
through.
G
I.
Think
that's
worth
noting
that
it's
unfortunate
to
me
that
they're
all
the
exact
same
and
not
taking
into
consideration
specific
site
conditions.
It
sounds
like
there's
nothing
in
the
or
deny
a
Stu
question
the
beginning.
It
sounds
like
there's
nothing
in
the
ordinance
that
allows
us
to
not
let
not
approve
this
and
again
in
general
I.
Think
ad
is
should
be
approved
where
they're
appropriate,
but
it
it
feels
unfortunate
to
me
that
we're
gonna
get
a
bunch
of
these
on
alleys.
G
C
I
have
to
agree
with,
commissioner,
because
I
I
also
think
that,
at
the
very
least,
if
you
have
a
unit,
that's
a
modular
manufactured
unit,
you
at
least
need
to
show
the
development
of
the
site
in
some
detail,
as
we
see
in
this
picture
implies
that
there's
a
big
sidewalk,
there's
a
patio
that
there's
a
deck
all
of
those
things.
If
you,
if
you
took
that
away,
and
you
had
a
bare
yard
in
front
of
it,
none
of
us
would
pick
this
would
say.
C
Oh,
this
is
great,
you
know,
but
since
we
have
no
idea
what's
going
to
be
there,
then
we
can
assume
a
berry
now,
I'm
sure
the
owner
would
be
horrified
to
hear
me
say
this,
because
she
just
said
you
know
we're
going
to
make
a
little
courtyard.
We're
gonna
do
all
these
things,
but
that's
kind
of
I
always
tell
my
students,
don't
wave
in
the
air
put
it
on
the
drawing,
so
in
the
future,
I
would
like
to
require
a
site
plan.
H
H
Sorry
I
was
just
responding
to
Commissioner
Mono
as
well
as
your
comment
note
that
we
want
to
I
think
we
should
have
some
more
details
on
some
of
these
site
plans
and
the
other
thing
is
just
you
know:
we
are
continually
taking
feedback
on
the
ad
unit,
ordinance
I,
think
when
it
was
implemented,
approve
I
the
City
Council.
You
know
it
was
new
for
us
and
we
were
trying
to
make
it
work.
So
we
have
a
long
list
of
things
that
we'll
be
taking
back
to
the
City
Council.
H
G
B
L
G
B
M
B
F
F
B
G
B
J
Linda
yes,
good
evening,
commissioners,
so
this
item
before
you
is
a
request
for
a
special
exception
approval
for
an
over
in
the
front
yard.
Fences
are
permitted
up
to
four
feet
high
in
the
front
yards,
but
additional
fence
height
may
be
approved
through
a
special
exception.
The
applicant
is
proposing
the
additional
fence
height
for
increased
security
in
crime
deterrence.
J
Just
a
little
brief
history
on
this
property,
so
in
2007
it
had
a
single-family
dwelling,
but
we
allowed
it
to
be
demolished
in
which
case
that
six-foot
fence
chain
link
fence
remain,
and
you
can
see
that
in
the
bottom,
in
the
top
left
and
in
2014,
a
7
foot,
high
fence
was
installed
in
replacement
of
that
six
foot
tall
fence
and
there's
no
evidence
that
the
city
permitted.
That.
J
In
the
m1
zoning
district,
the
front
yard
is
the
area
within
the
15
feet.
It's
hard
hard
to
see
there,
but
where
the
orange
line
goes
up
towards
the
property.
So
within
this
area,
fences,
walls
and
hedges
are
limited
up
to
four
feet
in
height,
as
shown
here
in
the
orange
outline,
the
applicant
has
proposed
to
install
a
6-foot
chain
link
fence
in
the
front
yard,
along
the
front
and
side
property
lines
and,
in
addition
to
the
driveway
approach,
with
the
intent
to
connect
it
to
a
gate.
J
As
mentioned
before,
additional
fence,
height
height
fences
may
be
granted
through
a
special
exception.
If
the
proposal
meets
the
general
and
specific
standards
of
the
special
exception,
and
if
it's
determined
that
there
will
be
no
negative
impacts
upon
the
established
character
of
the
affected,
neighborhood
and
streetscape
maintenance
of
public
and
private
views
and
of
Public
Safety,
three
key
issues
has
been
identified
through
the
analysis
of
the
project.
J
The
first
issue
is
the
application
has
been
elevated
to
a
Planning
Commission
hearing,
for
the
reason
that
it
does
not
comply
with
all
of
the
general
standards
for
considerations
for
a
special
exception.
However,
the
subject
property
is
located
in
an
uncharacteristic
industrial
neighborhood
and
has
the
challenges
to
balance
between
one,
the
residential
industrial
uses
and
two,
the
variation
of
existing
frontier
fences
between
the
west
and
the
east
side
of
this
block.
J
The
second
item
or
second
issue,
is
the
neighborhood
compatibility.
The
subject.
Property
and
majority
of
the
surrounding
properties
are
zone
m1,
light
industrial.
There
are
light
industrial
uses
and
residential
uses
within
this
neighborhood.
The
residential
character
on
this
block
is
anticipated
to
change
because
it's
within
the
industrial
corridor
within
the
West
Side
master
plan,
but
the
master
plan
also
recognizes
that
industrial
corridor
has
inconsistent
development
patterns
as
residential
uses.
J
Abuts
are
surrounded
by
industrial
uses,
with
the
exception
of
the
properties
on
the
west
side
of
the
block,
as
shown
in
the
images,
the
neighborhood
character
of
the
subject
area
primarily
consists
of
fences
that
meet
the
current
zoning
ordinance.
Therefore,
the
additional
fence
height
would
not
be
compatible
with
the
surrounding
uses
and
development
or
the
neighboring
properties.
J
The
third
issue
is
security
and
impact
on
the
neighborhood.
The
applicant
is
proposing
an
over
on
the
property
due
to
the
neighborhood
susceptibility
to
crime.
The
request
for
additional
fence
height
would
increase
security
and
safety,
but
with
the
recently
constructed
building
on
the
property,
it
is
unclear
whether
susceptibility
of
crime
may
change.
The
proposed
over
would
have
a
negative
impact
upon
the
streetscape
and
character
of
the
neighborhood.
It
would
also
be
conducive
to
creating
a
precedent
for
their
approval
front,
your
of
front
yard
fences
along
the
front
property
line.
J
As
noted
in
staff
report,
there
was
only
one
public
comment
received
during
the
initial
initial
noticing,
and
staff
has
not
received
any
additional
comments
since
the
publish
of
the
staff
report
so
based
on
the
information,
the
staff
report,
planning
staff
is
recommending.
The
Planning
Commission
deny
the
special
requests
exception
request
for
an
over
height
fence
in
the
front
yard.
B
B
B
J
J
As
noted
in
this
previous
slide
here,
I
made
a
map
in
us
in
the
staff
report.
I
highlighted
the
areas
where
there
are
fences
along
the
front
property
line,
and
you
can
see
it's
in
the
orange
where
there's
six
feet:
high
fences
on
the
front
property
line
and
the
yellow
is
it's
less
than
four
feet
high
and
it's
really
the
next
door
a
budding
residential
neighborhood
and
the
one
across
the
street.
They
do
have
six
feet
high
fences,
but
it's
actually
flush
with
the
front
building
facade.
N
My
name
is
Wayne
Gordon
I'm,
the
representative
for
the
client
and
the
architect
for
the
project
and,
first
and
foremost,
your
question
about
whether
or
not
this
was
flagged.
This
came
up
as
a
plane
review
comment
during
the
permitting
process
for
planning
and
zoning.
So
that's
that's
where
this
was
initiated
and
I
can
add
a
couple
things.
I
don't
know
if
it
was
100%
clear
that
might
have
been
my
application.
N
Guess
we
think,
since
it
was
there
before
it's
we're,
moving
sideways,
not
backwards,
there's
actually
positively
impacting
the
block
of
we
now
have
landscaping
in
the
front
yard
which
didn't
exist
before
storm
water
detention.
So
it's
the
next
rain
storm.
His
property
is
going
to
keep
all
the
water
on
there,
there's
no
curb
or
anything
on
the
street
right
now,
so
we
feel
we're
moving
forward
overall
with
storm
water
detention
landscaping,
his
parking
will
not
be
in
the
setback.
That's
I
think
a
lot
of
the
properties
on
the
street.
N
B
P
P
P
N
B
B
J
With
the
existing
fence,
when
they,
the
previous
owner,
is
my
understanding.
The
current
owner
acquired
the
land
in
earlier
2018,
so
the
fence
changed
from
six
feet:
high
six
high
to
seven
and
when
they
increase
that
structure,
they
lost
that
nonconformity,
because
in
the
chapter
38
on
non-complying,
there
is
a
provision
on
non
complying
structures
that,
if
the
property
or
owner
or
authorized
representative
voluntarily
demolished
or
removed,
they
lose
that
if
they
were
to
rebuild,
they
would
have
to
build
it
to
code.
J
H
C
J
C
N
C
N
N
Slight
security,
there's
partially
of
the
required
front
yard,
landscaping
part.
So
he
and
this
dog
could
actually
use
that
landscaping.
That's
there.
It
would
then
be
outside
of
the
fence
and
he
would
need
to
put
in
and
maintain
front
yard
landscaping,
but
it
would
essentially
be
a
park
strip
that
he
couldn't
get
to
an
access,
so
that
was
played.
B
C
G
P
D
G
B
G
B
N
B
Q
You,
chairperson,
the
petition
for
an
ally
vacation
was
submitted
by
a
adjacent
property
on
our
West
End
LLC,
and
the
ally
proposed
to
be
vacated
as
a
mid
block
Ally.
It
is
a
partial
alley
between
Genesee
and
900
south
and
runs
east
to
west.
It
was
created
by
the
coming
subdivision
when
the
block
was
first
subdivided
and
developed.
Originally,
the
alleyway
ran
the
entire
width
of
the
block,
but
was
partially
vacated
in
1993.
Q
Does
partial
vacation
included
the
majority
of
the
east
side
of
the
alley,
but
a
remaining
32
foot
long
portion
of
the
alley
was
left
public.
The
proposed
portion
of
the
alley
to
be
vacated
measures
proximate
ly
32
feet
by
15
feet.
The
adjacent
properties
to
the
proposed
ally
vacation
are
currently
vacant.
This
is
different
than
what
was
listed
in
the
staff
report.
Last
year.
A
business
license
was
issued
for
an
auto
repair
shop,
but
this
year
it's
since
been
closed.
So
all
the
immediately
adjacent
properties
are
currently
vacant.
Q
There
are
other
alleys
adjacent
to
this
portion.
That's
proposed
to
be
vacated,
the
alleyways,
which
run
north
to
south
and
east
to
west.
That's
immediately.
West
of
this
proposed
portion
to
be
vacated
will
remain
open.
These
alleyways
are
used
by
the
surrounding
property
owners.
Presently
there
is
a
sewer
main
line
that
is
currently
in
the
location
of
this
proposed
alley.
Q
So
the
staff
recommendation
is
a
little
bit
dynamic
tonight.
There
is
one
last
final
change
to
it,
which
is
the
second
condition
shown
on
this
slide.
So
staff
finds
that
the
proposed
alley
vacation
meets
the
criteria
for
closing
in
vacate
in
an
alley,
and
therefore,
staff
recommends
that
the
Planning
Commission
forward
a
favorable
recommendation
to
the
mayor,
to
declare
the
alley
surplus
proper
and
for
city
council
to
vacate
the
alley
with
one
condition,
and
that
condition
is
the
first
condition
a
public
utility
easement
is
submitted
and
recorded
with
the
county.
Q
Q
Q
So
that
was
recommended
initially
by
planning
staff.
The
intent
there
was
that
the
property
we
wouldn't
have
small
parcels
all
over
that
all
over
the
portion
of
the
block
where
the
alley
is
being
vacated.
But
it's
something
that
West
End
LLC
will
probably
take
care
of
with,
since
they
are
proposing
to
redevelop
the
site.
So
the
consolidation
isn't
necessary
with
the
favorable
recommendation
to
City.
Council
did
I,
explain
that
well
enough.
I.
N
This
was
this
was
an
issue
that
my
office
identified.
We've
dealt
with
this
in
the
past,
where
we
have
Adrienne
can
probably
explain
conditions,
precedent
and
conditions
subsequent
better
than
I.
Could
this
it's
it's
a
condition
that
I
think
makes
sense,
but,
technically
speaking,
we
can't
publish
the
ordinance
vacating
the
alley
with
that
condition.
N
H
Commissioner,
I
think
I'm
connect
it
to
your
point.
Why
would
we
want
to
consolidate
them
generally
and
it
could
end
up
being
two
properties?
So,
for
example,
you
know
one
building
was
on
a
lawn
property.
One
was
the
other.
Ladies,
we
just
don't
want
to
have
unusable
unbuildable
parcels
and
so
by
vacating
and
become
surplus.
It
would
create
this
small
parcel
of
property
that,
if
it's
not,
if
doesn't
become
a
part
of
one
of
these
adjoining
Lots,
it's
not
developable
and
we
just
sit
there.
So.
G
N
B
B
S
Name
is
max
McGrath
I'm,
the
managing
partner
of
high
boy
ventures,
which
controls
west
end
LLC.
Just
give
you
some
background.
We
we
bought
these
two
we're
fortuitous
enough
about
less
than
I
think
it
was
almost
a
year
ago
we
bought
these
two
properties
and,
and
we
bought
them
because
they're
beautiful
buildings
and
the
idea
really
stood
in
adaptive,
reuse
to
sort
of
bring
more
services
to
the
community
before
we
bought
it.
F
F
M
F
D
D
I
do
sir,
so
regarding
recording
an
easement
because
of
the
sewer
line.
Why
do
you
even
need
to
vacate
the
alley
if
you're
gonna
still
have
to
maintain
public
access
to
to
get
to
that?
How
are
you
I?
Don't
I,
don't
sometimes
I,
don't
understand
why
you
want
to
take
something
out
of
a
public
use
if
you
have
to
keep
a
public
element
to
it.
Well,.
S
D
S
B
B
G
H
B
B
B
Okay,
seeing
none
is
there
anybody
here
from
the
public
at
large
who'd
like
to
speak
okay,
seeing
no
one.
We
will
then
close.
The
public
hearing
we'll
bring
it
back
to
the
Commission
and
we
can
have
staff
and
the
applicant
come
back
if
we've
got
questions,
but
any
questions
or
comments
on
this
and
again
just
procedurally
we're
making
a
recommendation
to
City
Council,
who
is
the
final
decision-making
authority
for
Ally
vacations.
B
M
M
P
B
R
You
alright,
so
tonight
I'm
here
with
the
full
fleet
block
rezoning
proposal
for
your
consideration.
It's
been
a
few
months
since
we
brought
this
to
Planning
Commission
back
in
July
for
a
briefing
since
that
time,
we've
made
some
changes
of
the
code.
Put
it
out
for
public
comment
again
made
some
small
tweaks
and
are
now
back
with
the
final
proposal.
R
So
since
we
make
some
case
made
some
changes
to
the
code
I
know
most
of
the
Commission
was
here
in
July
for
the
briefing
I'm
still
gonna
touch
on
some
of
the
major
points,
but
also
folk
try
to
focus
on
the
changes
that
we've
made
so
just
to
refresh
everyone's
memory.
The
fleet
block
is
the
ten
acre
block
between
3rd
and
4th
west
and
8th
and
9th
south,
and
the
city
owns
about
8
acres
of
the
property,
and
then
the
private
private
owner
owns
a
small
corner
of
the
property.
R
R
R
So
for
more
context.
This
is
surrounded
by
d2
zoning
on
the
south
and
the
north
and
then
cg
program,
predominantly
on
the
west
side
of
the
property,
so
the
main
components
of
the
form
based
urban
neighborhood
3.
The
main
points
is
that
it
does
allow
for
mid
rise
Heights.
It
does
have
design
controls
and
will
allow
for
a
broad
mix
of
uses
from
residential
row
homes
townhomes
up
to
light
industrial
uses
like
light
manufacturing
and
with
a
form-based
code.
R
So
the
main
difference
with
the
proposal
from
July
is
that
we
took
out
the
limited
Bay
form
from
the
allowed
building
forms.
So
what
we
have,
what
we're
proposing
now
is
allowing
for
a
row
row
house
building
form
as
well
as
what
is
the
vertical
mixed-use,
multifamily
and
storefront
building
forms.
The
limited
Bay
was
pretty
much
essentially
like
the
vertical
mixed-use
building
form
it
just
had
a
slightly
higher
height,
slightly
lower
height
allowance,
and
the
key
thing
was
it
allowed
for
a
front
loading
bay
because
they
were
so
similar.
R
R
We
thought
about
that
a
little
bit
but
ultimately
determined
that
a
building
higher
than
40
feet
should
have
a
greater
contribution
to
the
public
realm
to
bring
some
sort
of
level
of
activity
on
the
street
level
which
are
required
with
vertical
mixed-use
building
forms.
So
we
kept
the
row
house
limit
at
40
and
if
someone
is
going
to
build
a
taller
structure,
they'd
have
to
comply
with
the
other
building
form
requirements.
R
The
max
height
is
mid
rise,
allowing
up
to
125
foot
height
allowance
tallest
buildings
over
85
feet
have
to
go
through
a
design
review
process,
which
means
that
would
come
before
the
Planning
Commission.
The
key
difference
with
with
this
building
form
is
that
we
did
incorporate
that
front
loading
bay
allowance
into
the
building
form
regulations.
R
Land
uses
again
the
broad
list
of
allowed
land
uses.
One
of
the
key
changes
to
the
land
uses
is
that
we
are
prohibiting
warehouse
and
storage
uses
along
the
ground
floor
next
to
the
sidewalk,
because
they
really
have
no
pedestrian
engagement,
it's
kind
of
a
dead
space,
so
we
took
those
out.
You
can
still
don't
do
that
behind
a
more
active
use,
hidden
behind
that
more
active
use
on
the
ground
floor.
R
There's
also
the
parking
look,
parking
location
limits,
side
and
behind
parkings
allowed
side
or
behind
buildings,
sidewalk
requirements,
eight
feet
street
trees,
every
30
feet,
mid
block
walkways
were
identified
in
a
city
master
plan
and
the
sign
allowances
in
this
zone
are
fairly
similar
to
the
sugarhouse
zone.
Downtown
zones.
R
So
the
changes
since
the
since
july,
again
we
eliminated
limited
building,
limited
bay
form
and
incorporated
that
loading
bay
allowance
into
the
other
forms.
One
of
the
other
key
things
is
that
we
are
now
proposing
to
require
more
active
uses
like
retail
restaurants,
bars
businesses
with
publicly
public
accessible,
publicly
accessible
portions
of
their
business
right
up
front
on
the
ground,
or
those
would
be
required
when
you're
facing
900
South
Lobby
for
a
apartment.
R
Would
qualify
if
was
publicly
accessible
yeah?
This
is
intended
to
ensure
more
active
uses
along
the
900
South
Greenway
nine
line
trail,
which
is
that
connection
from
the
east
side
of
the
city
to
the
Jordan
River.
The
city
intends
to
do
some
significant
infrastructure
improvements,
ultimately
in
the
long
term
here,
so
this
would
require
more
active
uses
along
that
Street,
along
900
South
and
as
part
of
that
town
homes
would
be
required
to
have
a
liquid
live
work
component
on
or
a
work
component
on
the
ground
floor
for
greater
context.
R
The
ground,
ground
floor
requirements
of
14
feet
would
apply
for
any
of
the
vertical
mixed-use
multi-family
in
storefront.
That's
to
encourage
higher
activity
commercial
uses,
but
not
outright
require
them
everywhere.
It
may
not
make
sense
to
require
those
uses
throughout
the
granary
and
we're
intending
to
look
at
expanding
this
zone
out
to
the
rest
of
the
area
around
the
fleet
block.
R
The
other
key
thing
was
prohibiting
warehouse
and
storage
uses
again
from
Street
facing
ground
floors.
We
also
incorporated
allowance
for
row
house
Lots
without
direct
street
frontage.
This
is
pretty
similar
to
what
you
saw
with
the
RMF
30
proposal
that
came
before
the
Planning
Commission
a
couple
months
ago.
R
This
would
allow
row
houses
that
aren't
directly
adjacent
the
street
to
be
carved
out
as
their
own
lot
and
sold.
We
would
require
that
there
would
be
easement
for
guaranteeing
access
back
to
those
properties.
They'd
have
to
provide
documentation
that
they
could
maintain
all
the
private
infrastructure
that
they
ultimately
would
share
very
similar
to
the
RMF
30
allowances.
D
So
one
of
the
things
that
I'm
I,
that
was
a
red
flag
for
me,
was
the
parking
so
not
just
in
the
fleet
block
but
anywhere
I
would
hate
to
see
an
island
of
parking
in
the
middle,
mm-hmm
and
I
know.
You
specified
in
your
report
that
you
felt
any
interior
type
of
treatment
would
perhaps
be
handled
in
an
RFP
or
community
involvement
of
how
they
wanted
that
block
to
develop.
But
this
plan
specifically
says
parking
must
be
on
the
side
or
behind.
D
R
D
R
D
D
D
D
For
a
pedestrian,
it's
a
closer
for
their
cars,
great
and
so
we've
concentrated
it
there.
We
made
this
island
where
we
developed
all
around
it,
and
then
we
have
a
cluster
going
on
in
the
middle,
so
we
haven't
increased
pedestrian
and
some
of
it
looks
nice
because
they've
opened
the
creek,
but
we
didn't
increase
pedestrian
movement
or
safe
connectivity
and
cars
you're
just
crazy.
So
I
don't
know
that.
R
D
Not
have
parking
separate
from
the
street
because
I
agree,
that's
a
killer
for
that
engagement,
but
then
concentrated
in
the
middle
I
have
yet
to
see
a
well
functioning
one
that
still
puts
the
pedestrian
kind
of
at
an
equal
level,
because
if
I
just
look
at
what's
there,
it's
really
not
a
great
design.
I
wouldn't
want
to
emulate
that
anywhere
else
and
I'm
just
worried
as
I
read
that
I
felt
like
in
a
way
that
was
almost
what
it's
saying
you
needed
to
do
so.
R
R
G
R
C
Want
to
speak
to
what
you're
saying
because
I
think
it's
it
goes
to
the
whole
the
whole
ordinance,
which
is
that
there's
no
assumption
of
any
Lots
here.
If
you
have
no
lots
and
no
streets,
then
you
have
one
big
lot
and
when
you
say
put
it
behind
you're
putting
it
in
the
center
of
the
block
with
everything
else
around
it.
You
know
and
maybe
a
mid
walk,
walkway
walking
through
it
I
mean
without
the
structure
of
lots
and
streets.
You
got
nothing,
you
don't
have
a
plan.
These
zoning
regulations
mean
nothing
without
that
structure.
C
Everything
depends
on
streets.
Every
drawing
you
have
depends
on
streets
and
those
three
edges
are
four
edges.
A
square
has
four
edges
still
right,
yeah,
those
four
edges
still
have
don't.
Have
they
don't
have
that's
not
enough
for
a
ten
acre
development,
and
so
why
aren't
we
talking
about
a
plan
for
this
block
that
has
streets
and
open
spaces
and
sidewalks
and
and
and
and
walkways
and
so
forth?
Why
are
we
talking
about
a
zoning
ordinance
which
is
not
a
plan?
A
zoning
ordinance
is
not
a
plan.
Why
are
we
talking?
R
Think
the
thought
is
that
we
would
get
there
to
the
Planning
through
the
RFP
process.
It's
been
a
long
week.
We've
been
trying
to
get
some
sort
of
zoning
in
place,
so
we
can
actually
say
that
these
sorts
of
uses
are
allowed
right
now,
its
own
public
lands,
which
is
pretty
limited,
you
couldn't
do
any
sort
of
private
development.
So
this
is
just
to
get
that
in
place
and
then
we
could
you.
C
Could
say
this
is
a
mixed-use
prop
I
mean
you
could
go
with
any
of
the
mixed
use
zones
without
creating
your
whole,
others,
your
a
whole
new
zone,
you
know
and
and
I'm
what
I
just
don't
understand
this
process,
because
every
single
thing
about
this
document,
it's
referring
to
things
that
are
not
there
and
when
you
do
go
through
an
RFP
process,
it's
going
to
be
a
planned
development.
It's
not
gonna,
be
part
of
this
form
based
codes.
If.
B
R
Could
to
an
extent,
except
once
we
get
approval,
we
have
to
bond
for
those
new
streets
and
put
up
money
upfront
which
has
made
things
difficult
in
the
past
for
the
city
we've
run
into
that
with
Station
Center,
where
we've
plaited
it,
but
then
ultimately
couldn't
put
the
street
lock
in
that
platting,
because
we
didn't
have
the
funds
to
bond
for
the
streets
themselves.
It
it's
kind
of
a
complicated.
R
H
Just
kind
of
I
think
it's
kind
of
a
chicken
and
egg
thing.
I
can
totally
understand
what
you're
saying
we
need
a
plan,
but
we
also
need
zoning.
In
the
ten
years
I've
been
here,
I
have
seen
lots
of
plans
on
the
FLE
block
lots
of
pie-in-the-sky
plans.
Some
were
more
realistic
than
others,
but
it
was
nothing
but
drawing
so
there
wasn't
any
real
meat
to
it.
H
It
was
just
an
idea
that
somebody
Kenya
this
is
great
and
there
was
some
really
great
ideas
and
I'm
not
trying
to
discount
any
of
those
plans,
but
this
helps
cement
in
Ruta
in
reality
by
having
standards,
I
think
that's
important.
The
way
to
look
at
it
I
think
second,
is
what
we
want
to
look
at
this
outside
of
using
it
on
this
block,
which
most
of
them
aren't
owned
by
one
single
entity.
But
in
this
case
this
one
is
owned
by
one
single
entity,
meaning
we
have
complete
and
total
control
over.
H
What's
going
to
happen
on
that
block
and
I
can
tell
you
whether
it's
who
working
on
the
new
administration,
no
one's,
going
to
go
out
an
RFP
that
says,
let's
put
a
five
acre
surface
parking
lot
in
the
middle
of
the
block
and
then
surround
it
by
one
giant
building
like
that's
just
not
going
to
happen.
I
think
that
anything
like
that,
you
said
is
gonna
have
to
be
a
planned
development.
D
R
D
So
that's
what's
identified
in
the
master
plan:
okay,
okay
and
then
I
have
one
other
question,
because
you
said
these
were
currently
zoned
public
lands.
Have
you
done
the
disposition
of
land
from
the
public?
Because
when
they're,
when
they're
zoned
publicly
and
don't
they
have
to
be
disposed
of
from
that
particular
zoning-
that.
B
P
Question
I
want
to
beat
a
dead
horse
by
had
it
before
it
so
in
it
seems
like
now.
The
only
thing
that
really
is
in
the
code
that
breaks
up
the
block
is
a
200-foot
restriction.
Is
there
other
other
strategies
that
encourage
encourage
different
types
of
development
structures?
Buildings
uses
other
than
just
a
200
foot
length
restriction.
P
R
R
Know
we've
reduced
that
in
other
zones
to
12
feet
because
it
30
feet.
This
is
kind
of
far.
The
tricky
thing
is
that
that's
in
the
general
design
standards
for
the
foreign
base
code-
and
we
mostly
didn't
tweak
anything
in
those
because
they
apply
to
all
of
the
form
based
zones
in
this
area
of
the
city.
R
P
P
R
R
G
G
You
know
I
think
I,
think
that
leads
to
doing
like
a
lot
of
you
can
look
as
zoning
ordinances
throughout
the
state
and
there's
a
lot
of
times
when
it's
like
it
just
doesn't
make
sense
for
a
given
property,
so
I
think
whether
200
for
me,
it's
not
whether
200
or
30
are
the
right
numbers.
It's
the
fact
that
that's
actually
really
hard
to
deal
with
as
a
designer.
So
I
don't
know
what
the
correct
answer
is,
but
I
think
whether.
G
G
B
M
Have
a
question
like
curiosity:
when
developers
come
to
you
to
ask
for
permission
to
build
something,
for
example,
in
this
case,
do
you
give
them
renditions
of
the
designs
you
showed
us
today
or
you
kind
of
just
leave
it
up
to
them
and
say:
hey
whatever
you
want
to
design
coming
back
and
we'll
go
over
it?
How
does
that
process
to
work?
Maybe
we.
R
B
E
We
actually
have
interests
in
the
corner.
That
is
not
the
public
piece
that
is
owned
by
century
Financial
currently
and
will
be
Co
developing
that
parcel
with
them,
and
so
just
representing
them,
and
wanting
to
talk
about
a
couple
of
the
things
that
we
came.
You
know
as
we
travel
the
country
as
Heinz
we're
locally
based
here
in
Salt,
Lake
City,
but
Heinz
is
an
international
development
company.
We've
seen
a
lot
of
these
areas
like
in
the
grainery
district,
just
organically
grow
in
places
like
Portland
on
the
east
side
of
Portland.
E
What
has
driven
us
to
tie
up
land
in
this
area
is
to
take
advantage
of
that
organic
movement
and
in
the
organic
growth
in
these
types
of
areas,
and
so
we
want
to
be
able
to.
You
know,
I
think.
The
idea
of
putting
restrictions
and
parameters
in
place
makes
sense,
but
we'd
also
don't
want
to
impede
the
organic
feel
and
growth
and
in
these
types
of
areas,
as
you
know,
it's
as
driven
by
market
demands,
and
so
a
couple
of
things
that
we
I
wanted
to
address
today
in
particular.
E
There
would
actually
be
one
of
these
heavy
timber
office
buildings
and
then
also
the
the
restriction
of
having
only
one
entrance
per
face.
I
think.
If
we
were
to
build
an
office
building
there,
we
would
we
would
want
one
there
and
to
divide
the
block.
You
would
probably
want
one
on
your
side
as
well.
So,
just
thinking
about
and
then
having
multiple
uses
on
this
on
this
block,
the
other
thing
would
be
the
one
entry
for
every
75
feet.
E
You
know
I
think
the
intent
I
can
understand
the
intent
there,
but
again,
if
we're
building
a
more
larger
scale,
office,
building
or
a
bigger
type
building
in
the
area
that
may
not
work
for
a
entry
point,
but
for
fire
code
fire
exiting
and
things
like
that.
We
would
obviously
adhere
to
those
things:
the
quality
exterior,
matil
exterior
building
materials.
We
would
fully
intend
to
have
a
beautiful
building
that
would
be
well
received
by
the
public,
but
restricting
it
to
certain
things,
such
as
brick
and
concrete
I.
E
Think
really
it
constrains
what
we
can
do
with
building
materials,
especially
nowadays,
and
there
you
see
a
lot
of
exposed.
Steel
in
columns
or
heavy
timber
buildings
have
exposed
heavy
timber
on
the
exterior
court.
End
metal
is
another
building.
That's
been
used
in
these
types
of
areas.
That's
very
unique,
so
I
know
my
times
up
so
appreciate
the
time
and
look
forward
to
being
back
in
front
of
you
with
other
project
plans,
but
just
keep
in
mind.
Large-Scale
development,
I
guess
alright.
N
I
just
wanted
to
flip
through
a
few
slides
just
to
talk
about
and
I
agree
with
Brenda's
comment
about
like
if
you
don't
have
a
plan
to
go
along
with
this
zoning.
You
don't
have
much
so
you
know
my
point
was
you
know
we
need
to
look
at
what
we're
gonna
do
with
these
10
acre
blocks,
and
you
know:
4.4
acres
is
public
right
away
wide
streets
long
blocks,
make
it
more
dangerous,
less
convenient
for
pedestrians,
wide
streets
are
dominated
by
asphalt
rather
than
more
smaller
scaled
streets.
N
Angled
parking
has
more
use
and
slows
the
traffic,
but
it's
not
great,
for
pedestrians
is
rather
ugly.
Okay.
So
when
you
break
it
down,
you've
got
four
point:
four
acres
that
are
city-owned,
but
what
can
we
do
with?
You
know
these
mid-block
crossings
and
I
and
I?
My
hope
is
that
they're,
more
than
just
pedestrian,
that
we
have
roads
they
go
through.
That
will
make
it
actually
safer
for
the
pedestrian,
because
you
get
eyes
on
the
street
and
makes
it
more
dynamic
and
so
there's
opportunity
to
to
change
up
these.
N
You
know
you
could
do
this
could
be
a
development.
You
know
I
mean
that's
if
we,
if
we
just
bisect
this
block,
we've
missed
our
opportunity
to
do
something
great.
You
know
and
we've
got
to
have
some
plans
to
like
you
know
you
could
do
something
like
this,
where
it
breaks
it
up,
and
you
know
like
Savannah
Louie,
you
know
Louisbourg
square
in
Boston.
You
know,
we've
got
to
have
some
open
space
integrated
into
this
zoning.
You
know
we
could
really
break
this
up.
N
You
know
we
could
create
stuff
like
this
I
mean
we've
got
to
have
a
plan
to
go
along
with
this,
and
my
issue
is
the
connectivity
it
needs
to
be
addressed.
We
need
to
have
real
roads,
real
real
plan,
real
open
space,
all
designed,
and
you
could
put
out
an
RFP
to
get
planners
to
come
in
and
plan
it
and
then
maybe
the
way
that
gets
broken
up.
You
might
have
different
zoning
on
the
different
blocks
that
it
breaks
it
up
into.
N
So
it's
not
really
good
to
list
overlay
this
if
one
zone,
because
it
could
be
totally
dynamic
space
so
anyway.
This
is
just
my
comments
that
you
know
what
we
need
to
raise.
The
bar
a
little
bit
I
mean
I.
We
got
to
do
better
than
the
hardware
development
over
there.
I
mean.
That
was
pretty
sad.
Thank.
B
You
Thanks
thank
you
very
much.
There's
one
last
comment
card
I'm
going
to
read
from
Tim
Dwyer
the
proposed
F
bu
n
three
zone
has
no
practical
considerations
for
parking:
a
key
requirement
for
the
successful
development
of
a
generally
urban
dense
and
diverse
development
located
between
two
freeway
access
points
as
an
existing
business.
Next
to
the
fleet
block,
we
already
see
a
lack
of
parking
in
the
area
and
are
concerned
about
the
unrealistic
view
of
parking
requirements
for
fleet
block
under
the
proposed
F
bu
n.
Three
zoning
texts
recommend
to
reject
current
proposal.
B
T
My
name
is
Krista
Mary
I
have
some
property
in
the
granary.
That's
nearby,
so
I
know
that
pretty
soon
my
zoning
will
probably
get
pushed
whatever
this
is.
So
that's
why
I
have
an
interest
in
it
I'm
one
of
the
guys
who,
like
he
said
the
artists
go
in
first
and
then
the
businesses
follow
and
I
think
unchecked.
T
If
you
let
the
developers
come
in
they'll,
build
block
to
block
condominiums
because
that's
what
they
can,
they
can
make
the
most
money
on
and
this
at
the
street
level
instead
of
engaging
pedestrians
and
having
business
you'll,
have
entrances
and
lobbies
to
condominium
towers
and
weight
rooms
and
entrances
to
parking
structures.
So
that's
what's
happening
all
along
the
4th
South
Corridor
the
street
has
become
their
the
the
city's
becoming
sort
of
an
urban
desert
a
little
bit.
T
There's
blocks
where
you
don't
even
want
to
walk,
because
there's
nothing
to
see,
except,
for
you
know,
entrances
to
parking
structures
and
weight
rooms
for
for
condominium
complexes.
So
I
would
hope
that
somehow
and
I
think
he's
brought
some
good
ideas
up
of
having
forcing
commercial
stuff
on
the
first
floor.
I
hope
that
somehow
they
can
preserve
why
the
Greiner
is
interesting
and
not
let
the
developers
make
those
choices,
because
we
know
what
choices
the
developers
will
make
they'll.
Just
you
know
condos
all
the
way
up,
so
I
would
be
against
the
row
house
thing.
T
M
G
Oh
Commissioner
Scheer
talked
about
block
size
and
how
10-acre
block
is
not
appropriate
and
I
think
that's
similar
to
what
mr.
Stewart
said,
given
that
this
is
a
zoning
ordinance,
not
a
plan
that
we're
reviewing.
Is
there
anything
in
a
zoning
ordinance
that
could
restrict
lot
sizes
or
require
mid
block
streets
rather
than
mid
block
mid-block
crossings?
Is
that
something
that
was
considered
yeah.
R
G
K
O
R
P
P
R
H
I
think
it's
important
to
point
out.
That
would
only
apply
to
if
you
were
subdividing
property.
If
you
had
an
existing
property
or
despite
its
maximum,
if
you
put
in
maximum
size,
it
could
always
develop.
However,
the
building
lengths
and
those
things
that
are
in
place
would
require
multiple
buildings.
G
Other
things
that
were
in
the
public
comments
that
were
included
in
the
staff
report,
there
was
one
that
talked
about
existing
buildings
and
how
some
of
the
new
ordinances
would
would
limit
rehabilitation
of
existing
buildings.
Did
you
look
at
those,
and
is
that
true,
what
is
being
said,
and
if
so,
do
those
requirements
apply
to
existing
buildings?
No.
R
So
you
don't
just
have
to
upgrade
your
building
because
you're
doing
like
internal
upgrades
to
your
space,
if
you're
actually
modifying
the
exterior
you
could
have
to
comply.
One
one
example
is
if
your
windows
already
comply
with
the
minimum
window
glass
requirement
and
you
wanted
to
reduce
that
we
would
say
no
yeah
or
entryways.
If
you
already
had
n
tree
ways
that
met
it,
we
wouldn't
let
you
just
get
rid
of
those
entrant.
G
What,
if
you
have
an
existing
building,
you
want
to
be
a
pretty
substantial
remodel
of
it,
but
the
seismic
restrictions
on
that
building,
don't
allow
increasing
more
glazing
on
that
facade.
Are
there
exceptions
in
the
zoning
that
would
prevent
that
from
being
forced
to
be
torn
down?
My
question
clear.
G
I
can
see
it.
We
want
to
preserve
the
existing
building
stock.
I
do
at
least
and
I
think
that
that's
important
for
that
zone
in
that
area.
But
if
somebody
wants
to
do
a
pretty
substantial
remodel
change,
the
use
perhaps
upgraded
seismically,
but
there
are
certain
things
that
the
shape
of
the
building
it
doesn't
have
14-foot
ground-floor
or
it
doesn't
have
the
you
know,
30-foot
setback
requirement
or
things
like
that.
They.
R
B
R
C
Would
love
it
if
we
were
reviewing
this
zoning
ordinance
in
relationship
to
an
existing
area
like
the
rest
to
a
place
which
has
existing
buildings
existing
smaller
streets,
existing
alleyways,
existing
Lots?
That
makes
so
much
more
sense
and
I.
Don't
think
I
have
a
huge
number
of
problems,
but
I
still
have
a
huge
four
number
of
problems.
I
still
have
some
problems
with
the
ordinance
in
that
direction.
So
I
will
speak
to
that
right.
Now,
okay,
number
one!
C
Where
ever
look
the
mid-block
walkways
are
locations
should
be
flexible.
They
should
not
necessarily
have
to
be
in
the
middle
I
mean
I.
Think
mr.
Stewart
gave
us
a
pretty
good
example
of
several
places.
Several
different
potential
designs
that
that
would
not
be
this
unimaginative
crossed
in
the
middle
of
the
streets
which,
by
the
way,
doesn't
exist
anywhere
else
in
Salt,
Lake
City.
So
we
will
take
our
history
lessons
there
I
think
I
would
not
allow
townhouses
or
anything
else
to
have
no
street
frontage.
K
C
Open
space,
mr.
Stewart,
by
the
way,
has
sent
us
a
wonderful
letter
which
I
took
the
bother
of
copying,
because
I
wanted
to
make
sure
that
all
of
his
knowing
he
would
only
have
five
minutes.
I
wanted
to
make
sure
that
some
of
his
points
got
made
the
in
terms
of
open
space
I,
don't
know
how
you
get
to
the
point
from
from
a
zoning
ordinance
which
allows
you
to
have.
You
know
like
10
foot
by
10
foot
in
your
back
yard
of
your
townhouse
to
a
real
open
space.
C
R
And-
and
we
have
generally
gone
away
from
requiring
large
open
spaces
in
our
downtown
zones
and
our
sugarhouse
zones,
because
we
ended
up
with
sort
of
dead
spaces
next
to
buildings,
so
it
does
make
it
difficult.
We
have
sometimes
gotten
better
results
through
a
design
review
process
if
you're
over
a
certain
size
of
building.
Design
Review
kicks
in
also
an
open
space
requirement,
but
we
did
also
remove
that
from
our
design
review
code
just
within
the
past
year,
because
I
think.
C
H
World
that
would
make
sense,
I
mean
I.
Think
everybody
recognizes
having
larger
open
spaces
that
are
public
and
usable
are
the
way
to
go,
and
I
am
I'm
sure
that
in
the
RFP
there
will
be
something
about
that,
because
I
know
it's
been
in
all
the
discussions,
but
there
to
tell
a
developer
that
you
are
now
required
to
develop
open
space
on
someone
else's
property.
Then
we
get
into
a
lot
of
trouble
right.
C
H
Think
the
other
thing
to
consider
is,
though
this
neighborhood
isn't
going
to
develop
at
the
same
time.
And
so
could
you
end
up?
Yes,
you
contribute
to
a
fund
or
something
like
that.
Well,
it
may
not
be
in
the
same
neighborhood.
It
may
not
happen
because
the
other
parcels
don't
develop
in
that
area
or
they
don't
develop
for
a
long
time.
H
I
mean
I,
definitely
respect
what
you're
saying
and
I
can
see
that
and
I
think
on
this
block
that
we
as
a
city
as
a
whole,
as
planning
staff,
is
plenty
which
we
want
to
see
great
open
spaces
and
I.
Think
that
that's
something
we'll
take
to
the
administration
we're
looking
at
that
RFP,
but
to
try
to
write
that
into
a
zoning
ordinance
I
think
would
be
very
difficult
without
stepping
on
takings
and
exactions.
Well,.
B
R
B
C
R
R
C
R
Could
have
that
yeah
with
it
with
a
row
home
development?
You
could
potentially
have
that
if
they
were
individually
plaited,
if
it
was
one
long
building
and
owned
by
a
condominium,
association
or
apartment,
you
couldn't
do
that,
but
there
could
be
an
outliar
case
yeah,
where
each
is
an
individual
lot
and
you
could
have.
C
L
C
B
P
Mean
I'm
trying
what
I'm
working
through
is
I
do
think
that
the
zone
is
done
well
and
appropriate
for
the
space,
which
is
the
standards
of
what
we're
looking
at
and
what
just
complicates.
Does
he
have
this
weird
blank
slate
that
has
created
some
unique
opportunities?
It's
hard
to
figure
out
how
this
applies.
I
mean.
If
you
were
coming
to
here
and
saying
we're
rezoning
the
spot.
B
P
G
G
G
H
Like
to,
and
just
this
has
been
going
it
aside,
it's
we've
been
talking
to
the
fleet
blog
longer
than
we're
still
larded
here,
and
so
it's
been
it.
It's
very
important
that
we
do
it
right.
No
elected
official
wants
to
walk
away
from
that
project
and
think
wow
we
messed
up
so
most.
Certainly
we
don't
want
to
see
that
and
I
have
faith
in
our
newly
look
administration
and
staff
members
to
say
that,
there's
it's
not
going
to
turn
out
garbage.
H
No
one
wants
to
be
ashamed
of
it,
but
if
you
do
fellate
there
needs
to
be
some
changes
and
we
would
love
to
move
this
forward
because
it's
something
we've
been
working
on
for
a
long
time.
We've
done
a
lot
of
public
engagement
if
there
is,
if
you
want
at
a
condition
to
have
us
look
into
something
specific
if
it's
driveway
widths,
if
there's
a
few
things
you
feel
like,
maybe
we've
missed
the
boat
on
that.
L
P
Put
the
conditions
about
I
think
just
exploring
or
talking
about
from
expert
limiting
lot
sizes.
I
would
be
interested
in
having
City
Council
way
that
and
consider
that
more
I
think
Brent
I
would
like.
I
would
like
to
Brenda's
suggestion
about
as
you're
putting
town
houses
are
the
different
forms
that
they
have
a
call
album
access
public
street.
P
Like
those
two
I
think
are
really
helpful
ways
that
you
encourage
you're,
not
gonna,
get
just
two
hundred
square
feet:
an
alleyway
two
hundred
square
feet,
I
just
encourage
people
to
build
around
both
sides
that
it
gets
broken
up
and
just
really
making
sure
in
the
motion.
That's
clear
that
we're
concerned
about
breaking
up
this
block
I
also.
H
And
we
generally
have
been
very
flexible
with
those
standards,
because
that's
why
it's
a
dashed
line
on
a
little
map
and
not
like
a
parcel
map,
because
we
understand
reality,
isn't
this
and
this
right
I
mean
maybe
on
this
block.
It
is
because
we
own
it,
but
but
that
we
have
always
we've
been
giving
flexibility
on.
We
don't
let
people
get
away
with
not
doing
them,
but
if
that
means
it's,
you
know
thirty
five
percent,
through
the
block,
rather
than
fifty
percent,
exactly
we've
approved.
Those
developments
is.
G
G
L
I'll
make
the
motion
based
on
the
information
in
the
staff
report,
the
information
presented
and
the
input
received
during
the
public
hearing.
I
move
the
Planning
Commission
recommend
the
City
Council
approved
the
proposed
amendments.
Pln
PCM,
2019,
OH,
7-7
fleet
block
zoning
amendments
with
the
following
additional
considerations
for
the
council:
okay,
Matt
Matt:
oh
I,
need
you
to
help
me,
though
I'll.