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From YouTube: Historic Landmarks Commission Meeting - October 03, 2019
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Historic Landmarks Commission Meeting -October 03, 2019
B
A
C
A
D
So
I'm
just
here
to
invite
you
to
the
mid-century
modern
home
tour
sponsored
by
preservation,
Utah
and
Salt,
Lake
modern
that
will
be
Saturday.
Yay
we've
got
great
weather,
it's
five
homes
designed
by
the
architect,
Steven
McDonald,
they're,
very
close
together
in
the
Holliday
neighborhood.
So
we're
talking
about
mid
1950s.
These
homes
were
on
one
of
the
very
early
parade
of
homes
when
the
parade
of
homes
was
composed
of
sensible
homes
that
were
reasonably
priced
before
they
became
the
McMansions
and
the
Gaga
sort
of
stuff.
They
should
be
wonderful.
D
A
B
Alright,
so
this
is
a
continuation
of
the
project
presented
to
you
on
June,
6
and
September
5th,
which
is
a
request
to
approve
paint
on
three
facades
of
a
masonry
building
at
171
West
and
three
hundred
north.
The
paint
was
applied
to
the
brick
on
the
front
and
side
facades
of
the
building
with
our
certificate
of
appropriateness.
B
It's
currently
under
enforcement
staff
finds
that
the
paint
does
not
comply
with
standards
of
review
and
therefore
is
referring
the
decision
to
this
Commission
on
the
June
6
meeting,
the
Commission
tabled
the
request
in
order
to
allow
the
applicant
time
to
obtain
a
report
showing
the
viability
of
removing
the
paint.
The
report
was
provided
to
you
before
the
September
5th
meeting,
showing
that
the
remove
could
be
Sussex
successfully
accomplished.
B
The
request
was
tabled
again
at
that
hearing
that
meeting
to
reopen
the
public
hearing,
the
proposin
that
has
not
changed
since
then
and
planning
staff
is
maintaining
the
recommendation
at
the
planning
that
historically,
my
commission
deny
the
request
since
we've
seen
this
before
I.
Don't
have
anything
else.
So
if
you
have
any
questions.
H
All
right,
well,
hello,
hello
again,
thank
you
for
your
time
tonight
to
let
us
kind
of
plead
our
case.
A
lot
of
this
I've
gone
over
before,
but
I
just
would
like
to
just
do
a
cursory
glance
for
everyone
in
here.
That's
right,
so
our
company
preserve
we've
been
around
for
six
years
and
we
actually
focus
primarily
on
historic
renovations
of
multifamily
properties.
H
We
currently
have
four
federal
historic
tax
credit
renovation
projects
underway,
one
of
which
is
the
Hillcrest
apartments,
which
is
a
very
well
known
property.
This
is
a
this
is
a
nine
million
dollar
historic,
federal,
historic
tax
credit
renovation
that
we're
doing
to
the
property.
You
know
I've
gone
through
shippo
and
landmarks
and
the
federal
government-
and
so
you
know
really
it's
in
our
name.
H
We
we
like
to
think
of
ourselves
with
preservationist,
and
so
this
is
this
is
the
Hillcrest,
as
I
mentioned,
some
before-and-after
photos,
we
are
beginning
renovations
on
the
Bigelow,
the
Chapman
and
the
Lincoln
arms,
which
are
three
historic
buildings
downtown
we
are.
This
is
a
affordable
housing
deal
in
part,
so
not
only
are
doing
a
federal
historic
tax
credit,
but
we're
leaving
25%
of
the
units
as
affordable,
because
that's
an
issue
that
we
see
as
a
problem
in
the
city
we've
are
in
the
process
of
getting
shippo
approval,
which
we
should
have
next
next
week.
H
Here's
the
list
of
addresses
so
moving
on
last
time,
I
was
here
we
kind
of
proposed
that,
obviously
we
know
we
made
a
mistake
that
some
way
to
kind
of
make
it
right
was
to
undo
and
restore
elements
that
we
thought
were
of
more
significance
historically
than
the
brick
with
a
flagstone
around
the
entrances
was
actually
painted
when
we
purchased
the
building.
We
repainted
it,
but
part
of
that
proposal
was
to
remove
the
paint
of
those
off
the
flagstone
entrances
and
to
restore
the
historic
joanne
sign
on
the
building.
H
I
attempted
to
have
this
done
by
the
time
that
we
had.
This
hearing
is
kind
of
just
a
show
that
we're
serious
and
we
were
given
after
our
first
meeting
a
list
of
contractors
in
Salt
Lake
that
do
paint
removal
I
have
that
I
have
that
list.
Here
there
were
five.
There
were
five
contractors
that
would
refer
just
by
by
the
committee,
four
of
which
didn't
actually
do
this.
H
It
was
arid
lands
for
Humanity
child
enterprises,
Pleasant
Creek
masonry
and
our
yeah.
Our
I
wish,
but
they're
no
longer
on
this
list.
The
only
one
that
did
do
this
work
was
abstract
masonry
and
they're,
the
ones
who
did
the
tests
on
the
building
and
so
I
met
with
them
days
after
we
came
here
to
get
this
removed,
and
basically
they
came
back
and
said
that
they
are
there.
H
So
I'm
faced
with
a
problem
now,
which
is
we
don't
even
have
anybody
to
do
this,
and
so
this
is
an
email
from
them
and
I'm
sure
you're
all
well
aware
of
who
they
are
so
that's
kind
of
a
big
problem
and
then
to
reiterate
that
the
fine
was
60,000.
You
know
the
cost
of
doing
and
their
last
their
last
estimate
that
they
gave
us
whose
only
further
removal
in
the
brick
not
on
the
flagstone.
They
didn't
understand
that
that
was
included,
so
it
would
be
upwards
of
the
$60,000.
H
That
would
accomplish
your
objective
of
deterrence,
but
also
keep
us
solvent
and
help
us
with
the
fact
that
this
can't
even
be
done
and
then
on
top
of
it.
I
already
had
scheduled
from
the
last
thing
to
restore
the
sign
so
with
the
historic
sign.
So
I'm
gonna
go
restore
the
sign
anyway,
but
it's
just
unlike
the
last
time
we
were
here.
We're
faced
with
I.
Don't
have
a
way
to
fix
this,
even
if
we
could
afford
it.
So
that's
kind
of
where
we
are.
E
G
H
H
G
H
E
H
I
understand
and
I
guess
my
to
be
flat.
Totally
honest
here
is
I,
don't
want
to
get
into
a
contentious
argument
of
how
you
could
interpret
the
code.
Obviously,
there's
a
lot
of
may
there's
very
there's
no
Shaolin
in
the
design
guidelines,
and
so
you
know
the
code,
even
if
you
are
aware
of
it
to
the
layperson,
doesn't
sound
like
you.
You
must
follow
everything
that
it
sounds
like
their
suggestions.
G
E
H
E
H
H
E
H
I
guess
I
guess
you're
right
I
mean
like
you
know,
I
could
you
know
we
could
we
could
go
back
and-
and
you
know
we
could
go
over
the
code.
I
mean
we've
ran
obviously
everything
by
a
by
a
lawyer,
and
you
know
there's
just.
But
the
point
is
we're
here
and
you
know
we
really
do
have
a
dedication
of
preservation
and
you
know
we
appreciate
what
it
is
you're
trying
to
accomplish,
and
so
with
that
it's
really
just
about
settling
it.
H
H
H
G
E
H
In
the
first,
it's
entitled
design
guidelines.
Okay,
the
design
guidelines
provide
guidance
in
determining
the
suitability
and
architectural
compatibility
of
proposed
maintenance,
repair
or
alteration
our
new
construction,
while
at
the
same
time
allowing
for
reasonable
changes
that
meet
current
that
meet
the
current
needs
of
the
property
located
within
the
preservation
overlay
district
for
architects,
designers
contractors
and
property
owners.
They
provide
guidance
in
planning
and
designing
future
projects
about
future
project
for
the
city
and
staff
of
Historic
Landmark
Commission.
They
provide
guidance
for
the
interpretation
of
zoning
ordinance
standards.
H
Design
guidelines
are
officially
adopted
by
the
City
Council,
so
that's
it
and
by
everyone's
definition,
a
guideline
by
its
very
definition
is
never
mandatory.
That's
the
what
the
word
means
it's
an
as
far
as
we've
understood,
and
so
there's
a
lot
more
than
perhaps
we
could
share
with
you.
But
that's
that's!
That's
that!
That's
it,
and
so
that's
what
well.
You
know
when.
E
E
E
A
E
A
A
A
B
E
A
E
There
anything
in
any
of
those
guidelines
and
standards
that
normal
people,
like
you
and
me,
reading
and
everyday.
You
know
do
it
a
project,
it
would
say
if
you're
gonna
paint
it
and
you're.
If
you're
gonna
paint
the
buildings
brick,
you
need
some
guidance
from
committees
and
all
that
sort
of
stuff.
Is
there
a
warning
sign
about
painting
brick?
Yes,.
C
Meijer
I
just
read
the
read
the
guideline.
The
standard,
the
the
typical
standard
in
mayor,
indicated
there
multiple,
the
typical
standard
that
we
linked
the
the
painting
of
unpainted
brick
to
is
number
seven
in
the
in
the
section
that
my
are
refer
to,
and
it
says
chemical
or
physical
treatments
such
as
sandblasting,
that
caused
damaged
historic
material
shall
not
be
used.
C
Physical
treatment
of
painting
brick
does
cause
damage
to
the
brick
because
it
prevents
it
from
from
functioning
the
way
it
was
designed
to
function,
and
so
that's
what
we
rely
on,
such
as
so
that
means
it's
not
that's
an
example
yeah,
but
but
the
physical
treatment,
whereas
the
difference
is
the
physical
treatment
of
a
wood
surface
is
done
to
preserve
and
protect
the
wood.
It's
an
opposite
type
of
thing
and.
J
Want
to
bring
that
subject
up
because
we
brought
it
up
at
the
last
meeting
and
I
don't
feel
like
it
was
adequately
addressed
about
the
issues
with
the
moisture.
You
know
with
the
paint
trapping
in
I,
don't
feel
like
that
was
adequately
addressed.
I
think
I
think
you
actually
said
that
you
hadn't
even
considered.
J
H
We
thought
about
it.
I
mean
abstract
masonry
kind
of
stopped
talking
to
us
after
this
just
because
their
their
availability
was
not.
It
was
just
non-existent
and
we've
just
invested
a
tremendous
amount
of
time
and
to
try
to
figure
this
out,
and
you
know
I
mean
if
that's
something
that
would
really
be
acceptable.
We
can
it.
We
can
explore
it
I.
You
know
it's,
it's
not
my
area
of
expertise
and
it
completely
there's
only
one
company
in
this
whole
city
that
actually
does
this
stuff.
J
H
H
H
Obviously
your
job
is
to,
as
you
interpret
these,
to
enforce
them,
and
part
of
that
is
deterrence,
and
you
know
that's
why
we
think
without
getting
into
any
more
litigious
anything
just
that
you
know
there
as
opposed
to
the
daily
fine,
which
is
I,
guess
the
basically,
where
we're
at
now
in
terms
of
deterrence,
you
know
kind
of
a
if
there
is
a
reasonable
shot
at
one
time.
Fine
but
but
yeah
I
don't
know,
I
can't
think
any.
J
J
J
H
So
we
yeah
I
mean
we
on
issues
that
we
permit.
You
know
it
takes,
we
you
do
the
research,
but
for
things
you
don't
have
to
permit
it's
just
you
know
it's
usually
something
that
doesn't
trigger
that
much
research,
but
oh
yeah
thank
and
we
have
started.
We
deal
with
Hillcrest
and
we're
getting
more
adept
at
this.
K
Yes,
I
guess:
I
just
have
a
question
that
you
know:
I've
bought
and
sold
many
houses
I
live
in
an
area.
You
know
in
Salt
Lake,
not
too,
very
far
from
where
you're
talking
about,
but
in
the
in
the
mortgage
documentation.
You
know,
you're,
given
plat
information
meets
and
bounds
and
and
zoning
information
and
in
the
zoning
information
did
it
indicate
that
it
was
a
historic
zone.
H
K
I'm
just
trying
to
understand
the
sequence,
so
you
had
no
knowledge
that
it
was
a
historic
area
yeah
one
way
or
the
other,
not
one.
We
know
okay
and
until
this
happens
then,
and
and
I
want
to
I-
want
to
just
ask
the
question.
Then,
if
you
had
no
knowledge
that
it
was
a
historic
area
and
you
saw
other
things
that
were
happening
and
how?
How
would
how
would
you
know
that
it's
historic
area
and
how
would
you
know
these
law,
these
rules
apply
so.
C
We,
the
city
in
the
past,
is
ricourt
when
a
new
historic
district
is
created,
actually
record
something
on
the
properties
within
those
districts
that
indicate
that
it
is
either
a
contributing
building
or,
at
the
very
least,
that
it
is
located
within
a
historic
district
and
then
there's
some
local
review
for
exterior
changes,
so
that
that's
really
kind
of
the
best
that
we
can
do
is
to
put
something
on
the
title
for
the
property.
So
people
are
aware
of
it.
So
Mike.
I
H
And
then
just
for
you
mean
for
us
and
this
it's
you
know
I'm
in
ahead,
yo
I'm
in
charge
of
the
renovations,
and
you
know
that
wouldn't
cross
yeah,
not
that
ignorance
is
a
reason
but
yeah
within
the
district.
It's
not
the
property,
it's
obviously
the
neighborhood
and
so
he'll.
Let
make
it's
just
one
more.
It
kind
of
difficulty
in
in
deciphering
exactly
what
is
required
and,
frankly,.
F
Reverts
back
to
the
the
guidelines
that
you
do
see
that
yeah
it
might
it
be
recorded
to
the
property
itself,
which
I'm
aware
that's
the
case,
but
that
that
doesn't
it's
an
overlay
of
a
district.
It
gives
no
notation
of
like
you're
building
as
a
contributing
building,
and
so
again
it
goes
back
to
the
assumptions
that
we've
made
after
you
once
once.
Even
knowing
that
it
doesn't,
it
doesn't
really
have
any.
It
didn't,
have
any
material
impact
on
how
we
wouldn't
move
forward,
because
we
were
still
dealing
with
the
building
that
was
built
in
it.
H
Let's
put
it
that
way
and
have
been
so
you
know,
I
mean
that's
that's
just
where
we
are
it
just
wasn't.
You
know,
I
think
a
lot
of
people
have
made
the
same
mistake.
So
our
neighbor,
who
you
remember
when
I
mean
Steve's
daughter,
daughter.
You
know
if
he
goes,
it's
our
neighbor
right
who,
who
copied
our
one
of
our
properties,
downtown
Acadia
north.
H
He
painted
his
building
across
the
street,
exactly
as
we
painted
Acadian
north
and
then
we
saw
him
and
painted
our
building
if
he
was
supposed
to
be
in
here
in
the
night,
but
he
actually
had
a
massive
heart
attack
and
is
in
the
hospital.
But
it's
just
he's
doing
well.
Yeah
he's
fine
he's
fine,
but
he
doesn't
deal
at.
H
A
L
Take
about
two
minutes:
please!
My
name
is
Nathan
Brandon
and
I
am
a
board
member
of
the
Capitol
Hill
Community
Council
and
also
I
have
been
a
representative
of
the
marmalade
istic
for
50
years.
So,
when
I
find
it
a
shock
that
this
man
listed,
he
owns
three
quarters
of
the
town,
and
he
doesn't
know
when
he's
buying
something.
If
you
start
checking
into
it,
know
you're
getting
there
hurry,
they
want
to
make
their
money,
they
want
to
get
it
done
quick,
and
this
is
what
this
is
for.
L
I
help
with
this
historic
to
get
it
going.
That's
is
what
this
is
for
is
to
preserve,
preserve
not
for
us,
but
for
future
to
see
when
they
state
that
brick
paint
will
not
hurt.
Brick
will
I
live
right
across
the
street
on
there
on
the
corner
was
Capitol
and
Clinton,
there's
a
old
duplex
and
it's
painted
and
they
keep
painting
over
it
after
they
keep
trying
to
fix
the
bricks
that
keep
the
curating
under
the
paint.
Then,
when
the
storms
come
and
what
and
it
really
looks
shabby,
but
that
was
was
given
consent
now.
L
Why
was
that
knowing
full?
Well,
that
brick
has
to
breathe
like
we
have
to
breathe
and
we're
able
to
maintain
and
all
the
excuses
he
can
give
by
that
listing
of
that
many
properties
and
things
he
had
to
have
some
knowledge
that
this
is
the
that
word
that
he
did
was
a
historic
area.
There's
just
no
way
that
he
can
convince
and
I
certainly
hope
he
hasn't
convinced
anything
you.
L
He
was
just
in
a
hurry
to
get
going,
and
you
know
if
he,
unless
he
paid
cash
for
the
structure,
he
had
to
finance
it
and
they
check
when
you
buy
something
well,
at
least
when
I
was
buying
and
keeping
they
went
right
back.
The
city
has
a
list
from
the
time
they
were
built.
There's
an
abstract
goes
with
the
title
that
you
can
even
deal
into.
One
of
them
spoke
up
about
it,
but
remember.
L
We
cannot
allow
Bulls
buildings
to
be
taken
down.
My
home's
older
than
dirt
and
I
just
love
it
I
have
done.
Like
you
said,
I
had
to
put
$16,000
into
a
party
blanket
I
could
not
do
anything
to
it
other
than
that
and
I've
followed
everything,
and
that
house
is
going
to
preserve
long
after
I'm
gone
and
that's
what
your
responsibility
is
not
to
think
of
the
hardship,
because
I'm
sure
the
minute
he
started
spraying
paint
they
started
spraying
pink.
People
were
spitting
all
over
it
by
there.
L
So
we
must
really
take
in
consideration
all
that
you're
doing
here
this
day.
The
word
preservation
is
not
to
say
well
what
the
heck,
we'll
just
let
him
off
with
its
time
with
a
nice
deal,
it'll,
fine
and
he'll.
Never
do
it
again,
I'm
quite
certain
you'll.
Never
do
it
in
a
historic
area.
Again:
okay,
but
I
have
four
minutes
because
I'm
on
the
council
I
know
two
minutes
were
normal
for
two
extra
for
her
see,
I'm
good
I
keep
up
like
this.
L
L
M
M
I
myself
ran
into
this.
Luckily,
in
a
lot
better
situation,
I
was
going
to
put
just
a
shed
on
my
property,
the
County
rules.
If
I
remember
correctly
at
the
time,
I
did
some
preliminary
research
found
out
the
county
rules
said
you
don't
need
to
get
a
permit.
As
long
as
your
sheds
under
two
hundred
square
feet,
you
don't
run
permanent
power
or
plumbing.
M
You
know
kind
of
requirements
and
things
that
you
would
expect
things
that
things
that
that
kind
of
that
stand
to
reason
that
I
think
a
normal
homeowner,
a
property
owner
would
expect
that
you
that,
if
you
were
to
do
it,
you
would
require
permitting
so
just
to
make
sure,
though
I
called
up
the
city,
Salt
Lake
City
and
after
a
few
transfers
to
get
to
the
right
place.
I
asked
my
question,
told
him
what
I
was
doing.
They
said
yep
the
rules
that
you
found.
That
is
correct.
M
You
should
be
good
to
go
because
I
was
mainly
what
I
was
calling
for
was
about
how
far
I
needed
to
be
from
property
lines
and
that
type
of
thing
about
ready
to
hang
up,
and
then
the
worker
interrupts
and
says:
oh
wait,
a
second
you're
in
a
historical
district.
There
may
be
some
additional
rules
or
some
guidelines
that
you
need
to
follow
because
of
because
of
that,
and
so
here
I
the
property
had
now
been
owned
by
my
wife
and
I
for
12
years.
M
M
M
If
the
fact
that
I
was
in
a
historical
district,
ever
came
up
it
wasn't,
there
was
no
red
flag
to
say,
hey
simple
things
like
painting
your
house
or
simple
things
like
changing
your
railing,
in
other
words,
things
that
normal
people
just
think
that
they
can
do
would
never
make
you
think.
Oh
I
need
to
check
with
a
committee
before
I
do
this.
M
So
with
that
being
said,
all
I'm
getting
at
is
that
I
think
that
these
guys
did
their
due
diligence
and
I
would
I
would
urge
you
guys
to
let
this
to
let
this
be
what
it
is.
It
looks
fantastic
having
been
in
the
area
as
long
as
I
have
and
seeing
things
get
dilapidated
that
property
the
ones
around
it
they've
done
a
lot
of
work
there
and
it
looks
fantastic.
So
all
right,
thank.
D
I
practice,
so
thank
you
for
requesting
additional
information.
The
new
information
has
definitely
influenced
my
view
of
what
should
happen
here.
Initially
I
thought
that
the
best
option
for
protecting
the
historic
resource
could
be
to
prohibit
painting
on
the
rear
facade
and
to
require
removal
of
the
paint
on
the
sandstone.
But
now
that
we
have
additional
information,
it
is
clear
that
the
paint
can
be
removed
successfully
and
that
the
building
will
look
really
sharp
once
the
brick
is
immaculately
clean
and
that
the
rake
face
brick
will
benefit
from
that
and
that
the
cost
is
reasonable.
D
Now,
I'm
speaking
as
a
property
manager,
there
is
no
reason
that
the
expense
of
removing
the
paint
has
to
occur.
At
the
same
time,
this
conversation
about
bankruptcy
is
hyperbole.
I
do
things
in
phases.
I
spent
nine
years
taking
the
lead
based
paint
off
of
a
frame
structure.
It
is
very
feasible
to
remove
the
paint
in
phases.
One
facade
at
a
time
from
this
structure.
Personally
I
would
approach
the
remediation
one
facade
at
a
time
and
I'm,
not
an
accountant
but
I
treat
paint
expense
as
deducted
annually,
whether
it's
being
applied
or
removed.
D
So
I
request
that
you
require
removal
of
all
of
the
paint
with
a
time
line
which
allows
these
developers
to
go
on
and
eventually
get
back
to
the
building
we
used
to
have
as
a
historic
resource.
By
the
way
it
was
built
in
1950,
it's
very
early,
mid
century
post-war
and
not
60s
and
and
it's
hard
for
me
to
believe
that
they
had
access
to
all
the
federal
tax
credits
for
historic
preservation,
Shippo
and
so
forth
and
so
on,
and
they
didn't
talk
to
anybody.
Thanks.
D
N
Yeah
I'm
also
a
local
resident
I,
actually
live.
Maybe
a
couple
hundred
feet
away
from
the
building
just
want
to
echo
the
sentiment.
The
Matt,
the
gentleman
before
like
I
live
in
the
area.
There's
a
lot
of
properties
are
dilapidated
and
are
prevented
from
being
renovated
as
a
result
of
some
of
the
red
tape,
but
I
guess
the
underlying
issue
I
think
mr.
Adams
was
trying
to
get
at
is
sounds
like.
What
are
we
saying
is
a
mistake.
N
I
was
it
sounds
like
there
are
people
here
for
sure
that
think
that
it
is
a
hard
line
rule
that
brick
should
never
be
painted.
I
did
a
decent
amount
of
due
diligence
online
and
I.
Couldn't
find
a
single
hard
line
stance
of
never
pay
brick
ever
it
recommends
in
some
cases
not
to,
but
it
says
when
you
do
use
a
vapor
permeable
paint,
so
I
never
saw
anything
that
specifically
said
that
it
would
be
detrimental
to
the
building
unless
you
use
a
certain
material
potentially.
N
Secondly,
I
for
sure
can
sympathize
with
them.
Not
knowing
I
actually
bought
my
property
in
January
of
2018
when
I
actually
worked
with
my
era.
To
permit
to
renovate
my
basement
and
the
permitting
process
was
actually
going
fairly
smoothly
until
they
realized
that
I
was
in
the
historic
district.
They
didn't
even
realize
it
themselves
until
they
went
back
and
looked
at
the
address.
I
had
no
idea
that
was
historic
as
well,
and
in
my
conversation
with
my
era
and
whoever
else
she
was
speaking
with,
they
weren't
aware
either.
N
So
it
simple
for
sure
can
slip
through
the
cracks.
It
happened
in
my
case,
but
had
to
double
check
before
they
realized
that
my
I,
my
property,
actually
was
historic,
so
I
can
be
completely
sympathetic
where
it's
possible
to
buy
a
property
and
not
know
that
you're
in
this
historic
area
that
requires
additional
provisioning
before
you
do.
Anything
painting
seems
like
something
trivial
that
I.
N
Wouldn't
me
myself,
having
considered
to
paint
my
house
when
I
thought
that
I
need
a
permission
to
do
so
so
wasn't
tell
after
I
went
through
all
this
process
so
that
that's
my
two
cents
I
just
want
to
say
that
I
am
in
full
support.
I
just
want
styles,
continually
change,
I'm
for
preserving
as
well,
but
I.
Think
that
makes
the
question
do
we
preserve
something
simply
because
it
existed
prior,
like
what's
the
underlying
reason
for
preserving
and
they're
not
doing
anything?
N
That's
changing
the
structure,
they're,
simply
applying
a
color
to
a
brick
and
as
they
mentioned
they
showed
addresses.
I
walked
that
Street
took
tons
of
photos.
It
seems
somewhat
arbitrary
that
we're
saying
that
they
can't
be
painted
most
of
the
street
I,
as
you
mentioned
even
directly
across
the
street,
and
there's
even
a
plaque,
a
rock
that
has
historic.
That
house
is
painted,
so
it
just
just
seems
like
it's
somewhat
arbitrary
but
good.
A
H
Look
I
don't
have
much
more
to
add,
but
that
yeah
we
are
in
the
business
of
preservation,
and
you
know
we've
learned
we've
learned
a
lot,
but
it
is
the
fact
that
it
was
that
it
didn't
require
a
permit
that
didn't
end
up
turning
up
the
issues
that
we
often
encounter
with
historic
buildings,
and
so
we
had
absolutely
no
knowledge
of
this.
When
we
did
it,
I
would
have
never
ever
done
it
had
I
known
it.
You
know
it
just
it
wasn't
that
important.
H
C
C
H
C
Building
permit
BLD
20
1801
291,
which
is
for
the
arches
north
unit,
12,
which
I
just
said:
random,
randomly
pulled
up
on
our
online
drive.
The
zoning
comments
that
are
written
on
that
building
permit,
which
was,
let's
see,
requested
by
an
MW
our
construction,
signed
by
I,
think
it's
in
Natalie
Johnson.
C
H
H
A
K
If
this
goes
one
way
or
the
other,
it's
going
to
send
it
precedent
for
the
entire
area
for
other
historic
areas,
and
you
know
what
what
are
our
purpose
is
on
this
commission
is
is
to
preserve
historic
structures
that
that
are
important,
and
so
it's
it's
not
only
individual
structures
but
an
entire
neighborhood
of
structures.
And
so
that's
that's
why
this
is
important.
E
I
learned
commissioners
are
talking
about
that
we'd
be
setting
if
we
allowed
these
people
to
keep
their
building
painted
I.
Don't
think
that
is
a
a
precedent-setting
situation.
I'd
hate
to
have
this
Commission
be
known
to
set
the
precedent
when
an
honest
mistake
has
been
made
by
responsible
developers
that
maybe
this
commission
or
other
Commission's
could
have
helped
them
avoid
by
being
clearer
about
what
you
can
and
you
can't
do.
That's
a
precedent.
I
don't
want
it.
It
want
to
set
I
think
these
guys
is
pretty.
Where
made
an
honest
mistake,
it's
people
like
this.
E
We
want
to
encourage
and
not
discourage
this
isn't
an
application
for
painting
a
building.
This
is
gonna.
You
know
asking
forgiveness
after
a
possible
mistake
has
been
made,
not
I
think
you,
people
can
understand
I.
Yet
you
not
see
the
mistake.
I
see
the
guidelines
in
the
recommendations,
but
in
this
kind
of
business,
I
think
unless
you're
told
not
to
and
there's
a
proscription
against
it.
If
you
do
it,
you
haven't
errored
I,
don't
think
a
mistake
has
been
made.
E
I,
don't
think
a
precedent
is
at
all
appropriate
and
I
think
to
encourage
this
sort
of
thing
and
allow
these
guys
to
I
mean
think
of
it.
This
way
with
this
commission
make
them
pay
sixty
to
eighty
thousand
dollars
to
unpainted
building.
When
there's
people
don't
even
have
a
place,
that's
taro
or
food
to
eat
what
a
waste
of
money
two
unpainted
I've
been
buy
ten
times
and
I'm
an
avid
lover
of
these
areas.
As
you
all
know,
there's
nothing
offensive
about
that.
They
didn't
intentionally
do
anything
wrong.
E
A
O
O
J
E
O
Based
on
the
based
on
the
information
listed
in
staff
report,
the
information
presented
and
the
input
received
during
a
public
hearing
I
move
that
the
Commission
denied
the
requests
for
us.
It's
figured
appropriateness
for
the
paintin
Mason
masonry
facades
at
171,
West
300
North,
as
presented
in
petition
PLN,
a
Chelsea
to
2019
0
0,
1,
3
2.
G
O
G
A
I,
don't
know
I'll
have
to
kind
of
wing
it.
The
applicant
has
the
ability
to
appeal
this
decision
and
I.
Don't
remember
exactly
how
it
works.
The
staff
can
direct
you
through
this.
If
you
would
like
to
take
it
to
appeal,
you
have
that
right,
there's
a
time
frame
for
doing
that.
It's
30
days
from
the
date
of
a
written
decision,
30
days
from
the
day
of
a
written
decision,
so
work
with
staff.
If
you'd
like
to
pursue
that
that
direction.