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A
A
And
we
are
going
to
start
with
our
general
comments
to
the
board.
I
do
want
to
make
a
couple
of
disclosures.
We
do
ask
that
people
respect
other
people's
time.
It
will
be
two
minutes
per
person.
We
ask
that
there's,
no
cheering
cheering
snapping,
clapping
and-
and
mostly
this
is
out
of
respect
for
the
person.
A
That's
speaking,
we
want
to
be
able
to
hear
them
when,
when
it
gets
too
loud,
we
certainly
aren't
able
to
hear
what
the
person
is
trying
to
convey
to
us,
and
while
we
may
not
respond
to
a
question
at
that
moment,
it's
not
our
place
to
respond.
It's
your
place
to
tell
us
what
you
would
like
to
hear.
We
can
always
follow
up
later,
get
with
one
of
our
staff
members
and
make
sure
that
if
there's
a
question
that
you'd,
like
a
follow-up
from
one
of
us,
we're
happy
to
do
that
I
think
that's
everything.
A
One
of
the
things
I
will
do
I'm
sort
of
separating
these
a
little
bit
as
much
as
I
can,
if
there's
a
well
nope
gonna
go
for
it.
So
first
come
first
serve
I'll
read
two
names
at
a
time.
If
you
have
a
car
to
go
ahead
and
hold
up
your
card,
one
of
our
staff,
our
beautiful
friend
here
Bobby-
will
come
by
like
Vanna
White
and
pick
it
up
and
hand
it
to
me.
A
I'll
call
two
names
at
a
time
and
if
the
second
person
just
kind
of
will
get
ready
to
come
up,
if
it's
easier,
we
also
have
a
microphone
and
we
can
hand
the
microphone
to.
You
can
just
stand
up
in
your
seat.
So
we
try
to
make
this
as
accommodating
as
possible.
If
there's
more
than
you
want
to
say
that
takes
after
your
two
minutes
we
have
staff
in
the
hallway
they're
happy
to
accommodate,
or
you
can
certainly
email,
email,
us
or
call
okay.
B
Okay,
hey
everybody,
I'm
Zach,
Moses
I
should
meet
all
of
you,
I'm
actually
running
for
governor,
so
hello,
nice
to
meet.
You
I
just
recently
became
aware
of
this
theater
being
torn
down
I'm
born
in
1983,
so
the
theater
was
closed,
so
we
always
just
walked
by
the
terrible-looking
entrance,
which
it
doesn't
look.
Great
and
I've
now
been
shown.
The
pictures
from
inside
of
that
theater-
and
this
is
too
precious
to
be
torn
down.
B
There
should
be
if
you
want
to
put
housing
above
it
cool,
they
did
they're
doing
that
in
California
at
the
Cal
at
the
California
theater,
which
is
also
a
historic
vaudeville.
Theater
I
run
a
travel
company
for
a
living,
and
we
look.
We
actually
moved
our
company
here
back
home
to
Salt
Lake
City,
looking
to
expand
tourism
here,
and
this
is
a
fantastic
tourism
opportunity
to
just
tear
it
to
the
ground.
This
is
precious.
We
only
that
this
is
old
growth
wood.
This
is
beautiful.
B
Work
done
by
our
ancestors
and
to
tear
it
to
the
ground
is
just
a
travesty.
So
I
I
know
that
this
has
been
signed
but
you're.
Also,
the
city
there's
a
little
more
that
you
can
do
and
I
just
I
I'm,
stressing
to
you
at
least
consider
some
amendments
that
make
sure
that
the
theater
is
protected,
and
you
can't
do
this.
This
is
being
done
elsewhere,
and
this
is
this
is
irreplaceable.
Treasure
I
can't
believe
it's
not
already
our
Historic
Registry
and
the
let
the
public
come
into
the
building.
You'll
find
out
that
this
is.
C
Good
evening,
our
good
afternoon,
members
of
the
board
now
last
time,
I
was
up
here.
I
talked
about
ideas
and
what
you
could
do
if
the
theater
was
restored
to
brain
money
in
this
theater
is
the
last
production
house
after
research
is
the
last
production
house
in
all
of
Utah?
That's
a
70
millimeter
theater
production
house.
In
all
the
do
talk
this
past
sunday
ants.
They
were
looking
for
a
70
millimeter
production
house
to
film
the
show
Apollo
11
film
from
the
moon
landing.
C
C
D
Hello,
so
you're
here
a
couple
weeks
ago
and
I
kind
of
left
the
meeting
pretty
positive.
It
sounded
like
they
wanted
here
some
other
ideas
to
save
the
theater
and
Charlie
even
said
30
days,
which
I
guess
turns
out
to
be
23
days
here.
But
since
then,
we've
been
working
with
architects
developers.
We
even
had
a
developer
ready
to
fly
out
to
see
the
theater
last
week,
but
the
RDA
wouldn't
let
us
in
because
of
the
contract
being
signed.
I
have
here
a
bunch
of
theaters
that
have
already
been
restored.
D
D
They
could
be
used
to
loan
to
be
leant
against
like
an
asset
and
then
and
then
get
even
more
money
to
see
this
theater
restored.
So
to
two
minutes,
isn't
much
to
to
talk
about
this
so
I
have
some
documents
that
I'm
going
to
give
to
all
you
guys
I
hope
you
read
them
and
I
hope
you
help
us
save
this
theater.
There's
lots
of
people
out
here,
don't
want
to
save
it.
There's
developers,
there's
architects.
We
can
still
save
this
thing.
You
know
it
doesn't
have
to
be
torn
down.
E
I'm
here
to
speak
on
behalf
of
my
grandfather,
Henry
Max
Smith,
who
was
a
stage
manager
of
the
Pantages
Theatre
and
my
family,
who
have
been
in
the
film
business
that
is
such
a
beautiful
theater
inside
you.
You
know
I'm
grateful
for
Palmer
to
follow
that
former
mayor
who
kept
him
from
destroying
this
building,
we're
in
to
try
to
build
something
like
this
today.
You
can't
do
and
to
try
to
build
a
theater
with
the
ornate
work
and
so
forth,
like
the
Utah
State
or
the
Utah
parent
changes.
E
When
it
comes
to
history,
because
vaudeville
went
away
because
of
motion
pictures
and
motion,
you
know,
drive-in
theatres
went
away
because
of
daylight
savings
time
and
things
are
changing,
but
the
future
generations
of
this
city
need
to
understand
that
the
lyric
which
is
gone
was
a
vaudeville
house.
It
was
Lowe's
the
Orpheum,
which
is
now
the
capital
theater
which
was
restored
was
a
vaudeville
house
and
people
traveled.
E
They
were
circuits
that
people
traveled
on,
but
I
would
urge
you
to
not
throw
away
the
history
of
this
city
and
the
information
that
it
would
give
to
our
future
children
and
grandchildren
of
what
did
it.
What
the
city
was
like
back
in
the
early
days,
because
things
revolve
differently
then
than
they
do
now.
I'm
grateful
for
your
efforts
and
I
know
it's
a
hard
decision,
but
I
hope
you'll
be
wise
and
understand
that
once
it's
gone,
it's
gone
time.
F
Gonna
get
the
whole
family
really
fast,
so
I
don't
agree
with
my
dad.
That
was
my
dad
about
everything,
but
I
agree
with
them
about
the
theatre.
I've
got
the
sticker
on,
so
it's
probably
a
parent
I
have
a
hard
time
with,
with
will
say,
significant
criticism,
right
and
I
think
it
stems
from
me
not
liking.
People
directing
that
towards
me,
so
I
just
want
to
preface
what
I'm
gonna
say
with
I
understand.
F
There
may
be
things
I
don't
know,
and
if
I'm
incorrect
about
something
I
just
want
to
be
informed,
that's
really
what
the
public
wants.
They
don't
want
to
be
kept
in
the
dark
until
the
last
minute
and
feel
like
things
are
ramrodded
through
so
I'm
gonna
address
the
context
of
the
agreement
you're
looking
at
and
how
much
they're
talking
about
selling
this
property
for
I
emailed
you
all
about
this
as
well.
I
would
start
with
the
appraisal.
I,
don't
know
anybody
in
the
real
estate
market.
F
That
would
say
anything
but
having
a
property
in
2010
means
that
you
have
something
worth
more
today
and
as
far
as
I
can
tell
we're
selling
the
theater
in
its
development.
For
the
same
price,
talking
to
people
in
the
industry
that
they're
coming
up
with
they're
telling
me
you
know
this
is
informal.
Obviously,
but
they're
saying
it
should
be
worth
10
to
12
million
dollars
for
that
property.
F
When
you
compare
that
against
tax
records
of
other
similar
properties,
with
similar
constraints
that
are
being
built
that
have
to
have
parking
agreements
with
other
properties,
residential
or
office,
you
find
a
much
higher
per
square
foot
property
value
than
what
they're
offering
this
theater
for
and
then
on
top
of
all
that,
just
a
quick
google
search
yesterday
found
that
Tiffany
large
Tiffany
glass
works
are
worth
the
hundreds.
If
not
millions,
of
dollars.
Right
I
haven't
heard
anybody
talk
about
the
actual
value
of
that
artwork
other
than
it's
going
to
live
in
this
new
development.
F
So
I
think
there's
some
serious
issues
with
the
valuation
and
how
we
got
to
it
and
the
assumptions
that
are
being
made
to
me.
It
seems,
like
you
know,
I
wouldn't
go
as
far
as
they
say.
A
corporate
giveaway
I
would
say
that
in
private
dealings,
land
dealings,
you
can
make
any
deal
you
want,
but
this
is
not
a
private
land
deal.
This.
G
Didn't
bring
the
props
he
brought
the
props.
He
thinks
they're
very
important.
Preserving
historic
places
allows
us
to
bring
our
children
and
grandchildren
to
them
to
experience
the
emotion
of
a
previous
time.
That's
the
important
of
the
ornamentation
inside
this
theater.
It
allows
us
to
share
with
our
children
and
grandchildren
there,
the
history
of
their
families
when
I
was
little
growing
up
in
southern
Idaho.
H
Of
course,
the
council
knows
who
I
am
and
know
who
you
are
I'm
gonna
try
to
cover
two
areas
really
quickly.
First
of
all
is
when
you
go
to
the
website
of
the
RDA.
It
states,
quite
patently
what
your
policies
are.
General
redevelopment
goals,
number
six
help
create,
welcoming
public
gathering
places,
promote
the
uniqueness
character
and
identity
of
neighborhoods,
encourage
historical
preservation,
implement
housing
policies
of
the
range
of
housing
options,
including
homeownership,
and
for
all
income
levels
in
the
back
door.
H
Deal
that
you
did
based
on
a
policy
that
I
will
make
an
argument
for
that
as
illegal.
You
agreed
to
sell
this
theater
to
somebody
without
following
state
laws
for
the
disposal
of
public
property.
I
believe
that's,
what's
happened,
but
I
hope
that
you
can
listen
to
the
other
people
in
this
meeting
and
and
hear
their
hearts
to
want
to
preserve
something
that
is
important
to
them
into
the
character
of
Salt
Lake.
This
theater
is
truly
something
that
is
worth
preserving.
H
There
could
be
a
workaround
that
the
money
that
you
loan
out,
because
you
do
loan
out
a
lot
of
money
you
loaned
out
110
or
170
million
dollars
bond
on
the
Eccles
theater.
You
could
also
loan
out
money
or
bond
to
do
something
with
this
theater,
it's
not
going
to
require
as
much
money
as
they
say
to
do.
They
do
the
renovation.
You
could
work
something
out
with
a
Heinz
corporation
to
build
a
superstructure
over
the
top
of
it.
So
you
could
accomplish
both
calls.
H
You
have
that
ability
and
creativity
as
it
counts,
when
I
hope
that
you
would
exercise
that.
The
last
thing
I
want
to
talk
about
is
a
very
specific
statute
under
the
Utah
Code
about
the
disposal
of
public
property,
which
requires
a
notice
that
goes
out
not
just
a
public
hearing.
I,
don't
believe
there
was
a
notice
and
that
notice
has
to
be
public
and
there's
also
an
opportunity
for
the
for
the
sale
of
something
for
an
appeal
in
the
district
court,
which
is
mentioned
in
the
law
and
I.
I
For
the
past
four
years,
the
entirety
of
mayor
biscuits,
Keys
term,
the
city
and
the
RDA
have
been
locked
and
exclusive
negotiations
with
LaSalle
and
subsequently
Heinz
and
the
Utah
theatre.
Lasalle
approached
the
city
in
2015,
with
the
promise
of
restoring
the
Utah
theatre
into
a
dinner
theater,
a
promise
which
subsequently
failed
after
a
year
of
exclusive
negotiations.
I
Instead
of
opening
the
process
up
to
other
proposals,
the
exclusive
the
exclusivity
with
LaSalle
was
extended
then
extended
again
until
the
city
finally
said
it
had
exhausted
all
options
and
agreed
with
LaSalle
and
Heinz
that
the
theater
could
not
be
saved.
Informing
the
public
is
not
the
same
as
involving
the
public.
You
have
examined
two
options:
giving
the
property
to
someone
who
will
destroy
it
or
relying
on
the
solitary
financing
of
CBD
bonds
to
restore
it.
I
I
would
love
to
spend
more
than
two
minutes
relating
my
experience
of
the
past
three
months,
talking
with
donors,
developers
preservationist
s--
and
architects,
but
that
is
not
possible
within
the
course
of
two
minutes.
However,
your
decision
comes
down
to
whether
four
years
of
exclusive
developer
negotiations
without
meeting
the
initial
goal
of
restoring
the
theater
without
allowing
competing
proposals
or
the
possibility
of
a
public
ballot
bond
should
be
rewarded
by
giving
a
downtown
property
away
worth
millions.
Two
entities
also
worth
millions.
I
Does
this
serve
the
public
interest
for
which
the
theater
was
originally
purchased?
If
you
believe
you
cannot
stand
up
to
the
mayor,
acting
as
executive
dictator
of
the
RDA
and
stop
this
travesty
of
a
process,
then
you
should
at
least
set
the
price
of
the
theater
at
market
rates
and
demand
all
the
public
amenities
are
met.
Thank
you.
D
Hey
I'm
going
to
switch
gears
a
little
bit
and
talk
about
a
different
item
on
your
agenda.
My
name
is
Matt
Mateus
and
today,
I'm
here
wearing
two
hats.
One
is
a
long
time
nearly
20-year
resident
of
central
ninth
neighborhood
and
the
other
as
the
deputy
director
of
spy
hop
which,
as
you
know,
is
currently
under
construction
on
the
corner
of
ninth
south
and
second
west
I,
am
requesting
that
the
council
approve
that
the
900th
south
streetscape
improvements
as
a
neighbor
husband,
father,
pedestrian,
cyclist
patron
of
local
establishments
in
the
area.
D
My
concern
is
the
safety
of
the
streets
surrounding
our
neighborhood,
specifically
the
traffic.
We
as
a
neighborhood
have
witnessed
an
alarming
increase
in
erratic
driving
behavior
through
our
streets.
This
occurs
now
throughout
the
day
and
on
a
daily
basis.
This
is
most
notable
to
me
on
Jefferson
Street,
where
I
reside
and
during
rush
hour,
the
traffic
affects
our
lives.
It
prevents
my
family
from
riding
bike
safely
in
the
neighborhood.
D
My
daughter
from
walking
are
being
able
to
walk
safely
to
her
school
four
blocks
away
and
I
have
an
ongoing
concern
for
the
children
and
pets
in
our
neighborhood.
That
risk
getting
run
over
by
speeding
cars,
trying
to
shave
a
minute
or
two
off
of
their
commutes
I,
feel
like
the
most
affected
area
and
in
nights
is
a
night
south,
especially
near
the
freeway
and
the
on
and
off
ramp.
It's
very
dangerous
and
the
accidents
at
this
intersection
seem
like
a
weekly
occurrence
in
an
attempt
to
alleviate
this
problem.
D
D
We
will
be
bringing
hundreds
of
young
people
down
to
central
ninth
several
times
a
day
from
across
the
Salt
Lake
Valley
and
I
would
like
these
students
to
experience
our
neighborhood
as
a
safe
and
welcoming
place,
and
finally,
I'd
like
to
note
that
we
know
that
the
issue
the
SAA
has
been
raised,
however,
is
a
nonprofit
organization.
Special
assessments
can
be
particularly
burdensome,
especially
when
budgets
are
already
strained,
and
this
would
be
a
difficult
circumstance
for
spy
up
to
maintain.
Thank
you.
A
J
J
Anybody
who
purchased
a
home
nine
years
ago
knows
that
their
taxes
have
gone
up
in
values,
are
about
double
I,
think
the
fair
market
value
is
probably
more
toward
10
or
12
million
dollars
and
I.
Think
that's
what
if
I
think
that's
what
they
should
be
charged.
Otherwise
this
does
look
like
a
clear
case
of
corporate
welfare.
More
importantly,
I
think
this
brings
up
the
fact
I've
heard
from
many
of
you
I
think
you're
sympathetic
to
the
fate
of
the
theater,
but
this
was
done
by
mayor
of
a
scoopski
behind
closed
doors
and
I.
J
Think
this
speaks
to
something
that
you
as
a
City
Council
need
to
change.
Perhaps
too
much
power
has
been
vested
in
the
mayor
and
that
you,
as
a
City
Council,
need
to
take
that
away
so
that
you
are
involved
and
that
we,
the
public,
are
involved
as
well
in
decisions
concerning
historic
buildings
and
other
important
properties
in
Salt,
Lake
City
that
this
can't
be
done
with
one
mayor
behind
closed
doors.
I
think
it's
unfair
to
to
us
as
citizens
of
the
citizens
of
the
city
and
I.
Think
it's
up
to
you
to
change
that.
J
A
K
Hello
was
here
last
month
or
23
days
ago,
and
I
told
you
that
I'm,
an
interior
designer
and
commercial
and
residential
design
and
I
have
been
for
the
last
past
nine
years,
so
I've
been
a
part
of
preserving
and
part
of
taking
care
of
the
buildings
that
we
have
and
part
of
our
growth
and
I.
Think
our
growth
is
is
good,
there's
a
lot
of
positives
to
it,
but
it
shouldn't
be
at
the
expense
of
buildings
that
show
our
history.
K
What
we
see
in
here
cannot
be
repeated
not
at
all,
not
possible
by
any
stretch
of
imagination,
because
this
has
history
built
into
it.
It
has
as
design
motifs
and
details
that
current
interior
designers
won't
know
how
to
replicate.
This
is
not
able
to
come
back.
I
know
you
all
know
that
and
Chris
Amy
james-andrew
Anna.
K
Please
take
this
seriously.
I,
don't
know
how
many
times
we
need
to
come
and
talk
about
this.
How
many
news
reports
there
needs
to
go
on
about
people
saying
that
they
want
to
save
this
and
I
know
you
can
only
do
so
much,
but
please
do
your
best.
This
matters
to
a
lot
of
people,
a
lot
more
than
the
ones
that
are
actually
here,
and
we
have
lots
of
meetings,
committee
meetings
of
people
that
reach
out
and
talk
to
us
and
tell
us
how
much
they
want
to
have
this
building
saved.
L
I'd
like
to
open-
and
thank
you
guys
for
giving
me
the
opportunity
to
come
here
and
talk
a
little
bit
about
me.
I've
been
employee
here
in
downtown
Salt
Lake
for
15
years.
I've
had
many
opportunities
to
go
work
at
other
firms
in
the
area.
That
would
pay
me
more
money,
but
the
one
thing
that
has
kept
me
down
town
is
the
character
and
uniqueness.
L
You
know
sandy
doesn't
offer
that
West
Jordan
doesn't
offer
that
I
could
go
work
on
those
other
places,
but
one
of
the
things
that
kept
me
in
downtown
was
the
unique
character
and
I
mean
it's
it's
different.
You
can't
get
that
anywhere
else
in
the
valley.
You
can't
get
that
in
sandy.
You
can't
get
that
in
West
Jordan,
and
what
do
you
guys
have
when
you
compete
face
to
face
with
the
suburbs?
You
guys
have
character
and
you
guys
have
history
on
your
side
and
that's
unique.
L
You
know
you
can't
you
can't
fake
that
I've
talked
with
a
few
developers
that
specialize
in
historic
buildings
and
they
they
are
just
floored,
that
anyone
would
even
consider
destroying
this
building.
I
mean
they're,
just
I
mean
some
of
these
have
actually
walked
through
the
theater,
and
you
guys
have
probably
actually
talked
with
some
of
these
developers.
L
Our
petition
online
has
gathered
4200
signatures,
were
it's
growing?
It's
moving
in
the
right
direction
and
in
closing
I
would
just
like
to
say
with
a
quote
here:
any
city
gets
what
it
admires
will
pay
for
and
ultimately
deserves,
and
we
will
probably
be
judged
not
by
the
monuments
we
build,
but
by
those
we
have
destroyed,
and
that
is
a
de
Lewis
Hux
table
and
she
wrote
that
in
1963
in
regards
to
the
farewell,
the
pen,
pens.
A
F
F
F
I
understand
it's
in
pretty
bad
shape.
Right
now
and
that's
our
fault,
that's
everyone
in
this
room's
fault
and
we
have
the
opportunity
to
save
it,
and
I
cannot
I,
won't
sit
by
and
be
quiet
until
that
is,
that
is
heard
and
everything
we
can
do
to
possibly
save
this
theater
is
thought
through,
because
right
now,
I
think
we
are
we're
really
this
close
to
having
what
doing
what
Salt
Lake
is
done
many
times
in
the
past
and
that's
ripped
down
a
beautiful
building
and
put
up
a
plaque.
F
M
M
A
C
My
dad
acted
in
Hollywood
with
Spencer
Tracy
danced
with
Ginger
Rogers.
He
was
an
extra
and
he
taught
us
the
theater
is
children.
I
went
to
the
Nationals.
I
was
a
debate
forensics
star
from
bountiful
I
shared
this
passion.
I
have
four
years.
I
was
asked
by
this
city,
my
rocky
Anderson.
That's
how
long?
Really
this
has
been
going
on
to
get
involved
in
this
project
and
I
am
one
of
these
people.
I
am
passionate
about
this
theater
I've
cried
in
this
theater
asking
her.
What
do
you
want
us
to
do?
C
I
share
these
people's
passion,
but
I'm
telling
you
they
all
have
this
passion,
because
we
all
want
to
believe
in
something
and
as
I've
gotten
involved
and
gotten
educated
about
this
project.
Not
only
can
she
not
be
saved,
she
is
alive
this
needed
to
happen
four
decades
ago.
The
pictures
that
you're
seeing
are
not
current
pictures,
the
facts
that
you
think
that
you
have
they're,
not
facts.
C
This
isn't
a
meeting
about
whether
this
project
is
going
to
go
on.
This
is
a
meeting
to
discuss
whether
we
give
this
developer
some
money
so
that
they
can
make
it
beautiful.
Make
the
park
better
than
what
they
would
have
made
it
so
that
they
can
provide
low-income
housing
so
that
this
can
be
really
a
landmark
to
replace
this
beautiful,
beautiful
girl
that
did
do
everything
that
all
these
people
are
talking
about.
They
just
want
to
believe
in
something
I
did
too.
C
A
Have
no
more
comment
cards
at
this
time.
Is
there
anybody
out
there
going
once
twice?
Alright.
Thank
you
all
for
your
comments.
Today.
We're
going
to
move
on
to
the
next
agenda
item
and
that
is
number
one.
The
Utah
theater
redevelopment
and
sell
pricing
terms
follow
up.
We
will
have
been
led
key
Danny
walls
and
Tammy
Hunsaker
at
the
table.
Please.
A
A
O
Board
held
four
previous
briefings,
one
each
for
the
last
four
months
today
being
the
fourth
on
this
topic,
the
vote.
If
the
board
chooses
to
take
a
vote
today,
it
is
not
required
to
is
whether
to
approval
and
write
down
in
exchange
for
three
required
public
benefits
that
were
negotiated
by
the
administration
and
the
purchase
and
sale
agreement
signed
by
the
mayor.
The
public
benefits
are
I'll
review
them
quickly,
10%
of
the
residential
units
being
set
aside
for
low
income,
which
is
defined
as
sixty
to
eighty
percent
of
the
area
median
income.
O
O
It
is
also
to
be
a
publicly
accessible,
mid
block
walkway
with
an
easement
recorded,
and
the
third
public
benefit
is
the
reuse
of
historic
elements,
and
this
would
be
a
process
between
a
historic
preservation,
expert,
the
RDA
staff,
and
then
the
information
would
come
back
to
the
board,
about
which
elements
were
identified
as
commercially
feasible
to
be
reused
and
then
items
that
were
identified
as
historic,
but
not
commercially
feasible
for
reuse.
There
could
be
a
separate
discussion
about
what
occurs
with
those
features.
O
The
total
estimated
public
benefit
from
these
three
items
is
5.7
six
point:
nine
million
dollars
in
appraisal.
Earlier
this
year
in
June
identified
the
property
at
4
million
seventy
thousand
dollars
the
difference
would
be.
The
developers
are
contributing
one
point:
six
to
2.9
million
dollars
in
public
benefits
beyond
the
four
million
dollar
land
right
down.
That
is
before
the
board
for
discussion
potential
approval.
I
can
go
into
further
details,
but
I
think
that's
the
groundwork
where
we
are
okay,.
I
P
N
Thank
you
very
much.
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
clarify
that
under
the
RDA
land
disposition
policy,
as
well
as
within
the
larger
context
of
separation
of
powers
within
the
city,
the
mayor,
within
this
context,
as
the
agency's
executive
director,
has
the
authority
to
negotiate
for
the
disposition
of
property
enter
into
that
agreement
and
stipulate
what
the
terms
are
for
that
disposition.
That
is
purely
an
administrative
function
that
falls
within
the
mayor's
role
under
the
disposition
policy.
Q
Chris
so
Danny,
if
we,
if
the
council
votes
to
know
today,
not
to
give
to
approve
what's
before
us
in
terms
of.
J
N
Way
the
agreement
is
structured
is
yes,
the
sale
can
still
go
through.
The
agreement
is
set
up
to
where
Heinz
has
the
ability
to
purchase
the
property
at
fair
market
value
and
then
within
their
due
diligence,
is
to
do
exactly
what
we're
here
today,
which
is
to
forward
a
request
for
land
right
down
in
consideration
of
the
requirements
and
the
public
benefits
that
we,
as
the
administration
of
the
city,
have
put
on
the
property.
N
N
So
even
if
Heinz
pays
fair
market
value,
we
are
recording
those
against
the
property
they
run
with
the
land,
and
so
those
three
requirements
will
be
required
of
anyone
who
then
comes
after
Heinz
or
as
part
of
the
sale
to
Heinz,
that
they
then
have
the
opportunity
to
still
pay
fair
market
value
and
carry
out
those
benefits.
But
as
we've
laid
out
in
the
the
memo,
the
impact
of
the
cost
of
those
benefits
exceeds
the
value
of
the
property,
which
is
why
we
are
asking
for
our
write
down.
So.
Q
What
if
this
city
just
does
the
sale
at
fair
market
value?
And
let's
say
that
we
I
know
that
that
some
people
say
it
could
be
more
because
it
depends
on
whether
or
not
you
consider
the
theater,
an
asset
which
would
increase
or
if
you
intend
to
the
buy
of
the
property,
wants
to
demolish
it.
Then
it's
considered
a
liability.
So
let's
say
that
we
get
five
million
dollars
or
six
million
dollars
and
then
we
have
when
we
bought
the
overnight
or
motel.
How
much
did
that
cost
us
I?
Think.
O
Q
What
are
the
and
what
is
okay,
so,
let's
say:
we've
got
six
million
dollars
and
I
want
to
buy
another
overnighter.
It's
going
to
be
four
plus
to
turn
that
into
more
affordable
housing,
which
is
one
of
our
goals
for
RDA
and
I,
have
maybe,
let's
say
a
million
and
a
half
more.
Would
that
be
enough
to
renovate
and
create
ten
units
or
thirty
units
based
on
the
numbers
from
let
from
the
overnight
or,
for
example,
a.
O
M
We're
still
negotiating
on
the
deal
structure
for
the
overnighter,
but
on
a
typical,
affordable
housing
project.
We
actually
have
a
table
in
the
last
memo
that
was
provided
in
November
of
the
city's
kind
of
contributions
per
affordable
housing
unit
and
those
have
ranged
from
about
five
thousand
to
ninety
thousand.
They
vary
widely
based
on
the
other
public
subsidy.
That's
in
the
project,
so
a
typical,
affordable
housing
project-
that's
built
in
the
city,
does
have
low-income
housing,
tax
credits
in
it
and
different
layers
of
affordable
housing
subsidy.
M
So
it
really
depends
on
what
other
subsidies
in
the
project,
because
we
come
in
last
to
provide
the
gap
financing
so
on
the
overnight
or
they
are
applying
for
tax
credits.
Right
now
on
the
State
Street
redevelopment
project,
they
also
got
tax
credits,
so
it
the
city's
contribution,
can
be
somewhere
around
fifty
thousand
a
unit.
If
there's
other
sources
of
subsidy
in
the
deal,
but.
Q
P
N
C
N
N
Q
Q
As
some
I've
heard,
he
characterized
that
you
know
we're
building
this
really
expensive
sidewalk
or
where
that's,
what
we're
gaining
sorry
now
or
what
we're
paying,
but
what
we'd
be
gaining
with
the
write-down
is
in
addition
to
the
housing
the
mid-block
walkway
explain.
What
is
the
value
of
that
so.
N
The
mid-block
walkways
come
from
the
fact
that
historically
Salt
Lake
City
has
extremely
large
blocks
of
ten
acres,
which
is
extremely
rare
for
four
cities
of
our
size
and
historically,
the
the
middle
of
those
blocks
have
traditionally
been
deteriorating
and
not
activated
uses
of
property,
and
so
the
mid
block.
Walkway
concept
is
really
something
that
comes
out
of
the
city's
master
plans
of
opening
up
access
to
the
middle
of
the
blocks.
N
Providing
access
at
a
pedestrian
level
through
the
blocks
that
cut
all
the
way
through,
so
that
you're
not
having
to
walk
around
an
entire
10
acre
block
just
to
go
somewhere
on
the
other
side
of
the
block.
And
so
that
is
something
that
ideally,
we
as
a
city
have
had
as
a
master
plan
and
identified
areas
where
we
would
like
to
see
those
mid
block,
connections
made
or
preserve
streets
that
already
exist.
N
And
so
in
this
case
this
block
was
not
necessarily
called
out
as
one
of
those
areas,
because
there
has
not
been
a
connection
traditionally.
But
it's
something
that
as
a
city,
we
prioritize
and
try
to
incorporate
in
as
many
developments
as
we
can
and
the
agency.
Historically,
has
helped
fund
that
so
that
we
can
activate
the
blocks
and
provide
better
uses
for
pedestrians.
Okay,.
Q
Q
N
The
goal
would
be
to
try
to
provide
a
connection
all
the
way
through
the
block
and
and
part
of
having
Heinz
be
a
partner
in
this
is
because
it
allows
us
to
then
access,
not
just
our
property
of
the
Utah
theatre,
but
also
incorporate
their
existing
property
and
easements
that
can
provide
that
connection
through
the
entirety
of
the
block.
Okay,.
Q
So,
even
though
this
will
be
on
their
private
property,
there
will
be
a
public
easement
for
this.
This
connection
right
and
there's
no
and,
as
you
said,
it
will
run
with
the
land.
That
means
that
it'll,
it's
permanent.
They
can't
close
that
off
to
public
access
right
right,
okay,
and
how
much
would
it
cost
for
the
city
just
wall
parking
if
we
wanted
to
buy
and
create
that?
How
much
would
that
cost
us
to
to
buy
a
property
on
a
mid
block
and
create
a
mid
block
walkway
in
the
downtown
area?
You're.
N
Asking
me
to
do
math
in
public.
That's
all
it's
dangerous!
Arguably
it'd
be
the
value
of
the
land
times
the
square
footage
of
the
walkway.
So
if
you
took
15
feet
by
you
know
what
the
length
of
the
block
is
is
660
feet.
If
you
were
to
have
to
go
out
and
buy
that
property,
you
would
have
to
pay
for
a
market
value
in
order
to
make
that
happen.
So
it'd
be
a
straight
up,
land
acquisition.
N
So
to
answer
your
question,
it
is
much
cheaper
to
incentivize
the
developer,
to
incorporate
it
as
part
of
their
project,
which
then
also
becomes
an
amenity
for
their
project
rather
than
us
as
a
city
go
out
and
buy
the
property
construct
the
walkway
and
then
arguably
have
to
maintain
it
as
well
as
a
city.
So
hey.
Q
What
if
I,
want
to
build
a
park?
Downtown,
that's
been
a
goal
of
the
city
for
a
long
time
and
we
put
away
a
lot
of
money
to
try
to
have
a
downtown
park
in
looking
at
different
options
for
a
downtown
park.
What
are
we
looking
at
in
terms
of
like
land
acquisition
or
what?
What
options
even
are
there
in
the
downtown
area?
So.
N
You
you
would
have
the
same
issues.
You
would
have
to
arguably
have
enough
funds
in
acquisition
to
go
and
pay
fair
market
value
for
property
that
you
would
then
have
to
turn
around
and
also
have
the
funding
available
to
construct
the
improvements.
And
then
the
city
would
also
then
need
to
on
an
ongoing
basis.
A
A
M
Just
to
clarify
the
mid-block
cost
valuation
for
the
property
discount
justification
in
the
memo
and
in
the
resolution
also
includes
the
above-grade
improvements
of
where
we
were
estimating
about
$100
a
square
foot
on
top
of
the
land
value
and
another
clarification
the
affordable
housing
right
down.
It
is
a
little
bit
more
for
the
Utah
theater,
just
in
that
the
project
won't
attract
a
lot
of
these
other
traditional,
affordable
housing
subsidies
that
we
see
in
other
projects.
So
we
valued
the
affordable
housing
component
at
just
over
four
million
for
this
project
for
the
30
units.
Q
I
want
to
also
just
ask
to
you
about
the
the
seismic
issue
that
I
I
know.
It's
not
you've
already
explained
that,
regardless
of
what
how
we
vote
today,
the
sale
goes
through,
but
I
think
the
public
is
frustrated
because
by
a
lack
of
transparency-
and
there
I've
heard
from
a
lot
of
residents
that
the
seismic
the
cost,
the
estimates
to
bring
the
building.
If,
if
we
were,
you
know
going
down
a
different
track.
Q
N
So
the
seismic
estimates
is
kind
of
based
off
of
three
different
sets
of
values.
The
first
is
within
the
Utah
film
and
media
study.
They
provided
an
initial
estimate
of
the
seismic
cost
and
we
determined
that
we
felt
that
was
low,
because
that
was
just
a
blanket
line-item
within
that
budget
and
did
not
necessarily
accurately
look
at
what
the
current
condition
of
the
building
was
as
much
as
just
provide
an
estimate
as
part
of
a
larger
budget
for
the
construction
of
the
the
center.
N
So,
following
that,
we
asked
both
Oakland
and
big
deconstruction
to
provide
estimates.
We
received
those
estimates
and
they
range
between
15
and
20
million
dollars
and
the
reason
that
they
had,
because
they
were
both
looking
at
different
square
footages
for
the
property.
One
basically
just
took
the
first
floor.
A
N
So
that
those
two
numbers
range
because
they
looked
at
different
square
footages,
one
was
the
entire
square
footage
of
the
building
which
includes
the
basement.
The
other
was
more
of
just
the
finished
square
footage.
So
that's
why
we
had
arranged
there
so
we've
taken
those
is
basically
a
range
of
values
that
are
potential
for
what
the
true
seismic
estimate
would
be.
N
R
N
You
were
to
ultimately
end
up
with
an
eighty
million
dollar
theater,
valued
and
and
assume
that
that's
the
actual
assessed
value
which
arguably
the
assessed
value,
is
not
necessarily
what
your
true
construction
costs
are.
But
let's
assume
you
get
to.
80
million
you'd
probably
be
looking
at
a
tax,
increment
generation
of
maybe
six
hundred
thousand
a
year
and.
N
Well,
you,
you
could
restore
the
theater
and
potentially
be
at
zero
taxable
value
if
you
put
a
non-profit
use
in
there
and
they
don't
pay
the
property
taxes.
So
that's
why,
when
we
looked
at
the
pro
forma,
it's
very
much
dependent
on
what
that
end-user
is
in
terms
of
what
your
options
are
for
financing
and
and
just
for
relevance.
We
calculated
that
a
forty
million
dollar
bond
would
be
somewhere
in
the
neighborhood
of
two
and
a
half
million
dollars
to
support
that
year.
Q
O
N
Annual
tax
increment
that
we
receive
from
the
central
business
district
is
just
under
three
million
dollars,
and
so,
if
you
were
to
do
a
forty
million
plus
bond
for
the
Utah
theatre
and
if
it
was
up
to
the
RDA
entirely
to
support
the
debt
service
on
that
bond,
you
would
eat
up
almost
entirely
what
you're
generating
from
the
project
area
today-
and
you
may
or
may
not
have
the
tax
increment
to
do
that.
If
you
put
a
non-profit
use
in
that
building
and
it
doesn't
generate
tax
increment,
so
hey.
Q
P
N
Heinz
hasn't
fully
designed
or
done
their
project,
but
they
probably
are
comfortable
to
say
that
this
would
be
upwards
of
a
hundred
million
dollar
development,
and
so,
in
that
case,
you'd
probably
be
looking
at
about
eight
hundred
eight
hundred
fifty
thousand
a
year
in
tax
increment
and
the
those
are
extremely
rough
guesses
of
numbers.
Right
now,
don't
hold
me
to
the
math
on
that.
S
S
N
N
It
was
extremely
difficult
to
provide
an
evaluation
for
the
structure
itself,
given
the
fact
that
we
don't
really
know
what
the
liability
is
or
the
preservation
of
the
seismic,
and
so
our
appraisal
is
based
off
strictly
the
land
value
and
it
provided
a
range
of
values
approximately
when
it
looked
at
comparable
sales
that
have
been
done
of
between
the
hon
or
85
and
123
dollars.
As
it
looks
at
different
properties
and
then
it's
part
of
any
appraisal.
N
They
make
adjustments
those
and
it
was
determined
that
the
land
value
for
this
property
based
on
those
comparables,
was
105
dollars.
A
square
foot
which
equated
to
the
four
million
in
$70,000
so
just
to
provide
a
little
context:
the
105
dollars
a
square
foot
is
the
same
value
that
we
attributed
to
our
State
Street
property
for
that
sale.
And
so
we
feel
confident
that
that
value
is
reflective
of
what
property
is
within
the
downtown
area.
I.
S
Concern
without
data
I
guess
put
it
that
way.
The
concern
is
that
being
in
the
heart
of
the
theater
district,
that's
something
you
can't
replace
as
far
as
location,
right
and
I
know
it's
hard
to
make
appraisals
and
evaluations
of
a
property
with
this
building
on
it
in
the
building
itself.
I
get
that
piece
walking
through
it
I
understand
that
it
does
feel
low.
I
guess
that's!
My
concern.
Is
that
offsetting
the
loss
of
someone
like
this,
which
is
difficult
to
justify
cost
wise
saving
it
okay,
but
the
offset
doesn't
seem
quite
right.
S
That's
what
I'm
concerned
about
with
the
land
value.
Second
piece:
I
guess
is
for
the
developer.
It's
themselves
perhaps
is
doing
the
land,
though
the
write
down
for
this
in
this
transaction
doesn't
have
anything
to
do
with
their
actual
development
later
on.
As
far
as
what
they're
planning
on
or
what
they're
committing
to
is
that
accurate?
So
the.
S
N
Mean
they
have
proposed
their
project?
If
that's
what
you
mean,
but
as
part
of
the
land
right
down
now,
the
land
right
down
is
what
we,
as
an
administration,
have
asked
to
provide
in
exchange
for
getting
the
public
benefits
in
exchange
for
asking
the
developer
to
incorporate
those
benefits
as
part
of
whatever
project
they
do.
S
S
M
N
Unless
there
was
some
component
that
either
we
heard
back
up
the
it
does
provide
that
we
can
also
discuss
with
the
developer
other
elements
to
incorporate
within
their
project,
as
well
as
the
potential
for
coming
and
participating
further
in
the
project
to
have
those
those
would
potentially
come
to
the
board.
If
we
really
wanted
to
have
a
specific
use
in
there.
If
we
wanted
to
have
certain
design
elements
within
there.
A
S
N
S
N
Prior
initially
with
the
administration
and
as
part
of
our
design,
review
and
negotiations
with
the
developer
and
to
the
extent
that
that
request
or
the
design
elements
or
the
costs
of
that
necessitate
a
further
participation
of
the
agency
or
if
it's
something
that
we
do
want
to
incentivize,
then
that
would
come
back
to
the
board.
So.
S
N
Couldn't
necessarily
add
a
stipulation
of
the
agreement,
but
the
agreement
already
does
provide
the
opportunity
for
us
to
have
that
discussion
in
that
negotiation
and
if
there
is
a
need
to
come
back
for
participation
to
do
that,
that's
already
built
into
the
agreement
as
we
work
through
the
design.
Okay,.
P
P
N
What
that
would
be
help
with
the
design
and,
at
the
same
time,
have
a
conversation
of
what
that
partnership
would
be
with
Hines.
In
order
to
one
make
it
more
accessible
to
the
public,
while
still
understanding
that
Hines
probably
wants
to
have
some
controls
over
it,
but
to
also
have
the
ability
to
discuss
with
Hines
is
that
if
we
truly
want
this
to
be
more
of
a
public
space,
then
that
probably
also
needs
to
come
with
it.
A
T
T
T
Utah
Code
10-8
2
has
a
requirement
that
every
municipality
identify
significant
parcels
of
real
property
and
adopt
an
ordinance
for
the
disposition
of
those
parcels,
including
a
public
notice
requirement.
Salt
Lake
City
through
City
Code,
2.58
and
City
Code
2.90
has
done
so
that's
for
the
disposition
of
city-owned
property.
The
RDA
is
a
separate
legal
entity.
You
sit
as
the
board
of
directors
of
that
entity
and
the
mayor
is
the
executive
director.
The
RDA
is
specifically
excluded
from
Utah
Code
1082,
but
the
RDA
board
of
directors
has
adopted
a
real
property
disposition
policy.
T
Then,
in
some
ways,
mirrors
2.58,
City,
Code
2.58,
it's
a
little
bit
different,
but
one
thing
that
it
does
have
is
the
identification
of
certain
tier
1
parcels
that
really
are
analogous
to
significant
parcels
and
then
a
process
that
you
are
actually
going
through
right
now
for
board
approval
of
the
write
down
of
property
values
if
it's
less
than
10%.
So
those
are
the
that's
the
distinction
between
the
city
process
and
the
RDA
process.
You
do
have
a
disposition
policy,
but
it
is
differ
and
is
not
governed
by
Utah
code.
Ten,
eight,
okay!
Thank
you.
A
A
Q
I
want
to
thank
all
the
residents
who
have
contacted
me
to
share
their
opinions
and
stories
about
the
Utah
theatre.
I
want
to
thank
preservation,
Utah
for
educating
me
on
the
history
of
the
building
and
I
want
to
thank
the
arts
community,
and
the
film
community
in
particular,
for
helping
me
understand
how
we
got
to
this
point.
The
Utah
theater
has
been
shuttered
for
most
of
my
lifetime.
I
was
born
1883
like
the
previous
commenter,
and
it
was
shuttered
in
the
last
time
in
1988.
Q
I
still
feel
a
very
personal
connection
to
the
Utah
theatre.
I
toured
the
theater
shortly
after
joining
the
council,
and
they
had
a
profound
impact
on
me.
Sitting
back
at
my
desk
is
a
small
piece
of
rubble
from
the
building
that
I
kept
from
the
tour
as
a
reminder
to
do
all
that
I
can
and
exhaust
every
possible
option
to
preserve
or
adaptively
reuse
our
city's
historic
buildings.
It's
a
priority
for
me.
It's
a
priority
for
the
residents
of
district
3,
which
includes
the
oldest
neighborhoods
in
the
state.
Q
Sadly,
as
you
heard,
our
vote
today
is
not
whether
or
not
to
save
the
Utah
theatre.
If
that
were
the
decision
or
the
question
in
front
of
us,
I
think
that
I
would
arrive
at
a
different
outcome
that
decisions
been
made
by
the
mayor
with
the
advice
and
input
of
not
only
her
administration
but
the
prior
administration
under
our
system
of
government,
the
executive
branch
has
the
authority
to
dispose
of
property,
as
well
as
the
authority
to
negotiate
and
enter
into
contracts
on
behalf
of
the
city.
The
City
Council
does
not
have
that
authority.
Q
Q
That's
why,
in
my
short
time
in
office
and
working
on
this
issue,
I've
tried
to
bring
in
as
much
daylight
as
I
could
meeting
with
historic,
preservationists,
architects,
theater,
goers,
movie,
buffs
and
residents
to
explore
realistic
and
even
several
unrealistic
or
what
we're
told
to
me
is
unrealistic
options
to
save
or
repurpose
the
theater,
but
I.
Ultimately,
when
it's
time
to
vote,
I
have
to
vote
based
on
the
facts.
Q
The
Utah
theaters
fate
I,
think,
can
be
traced
back
to
the
1950s
and
after
60
plus
years
of
compounding
circumstances,
some
of
them
deliberate
and
some
side
of
everyone's
control.
The
vision
of
a
restored
seismically
saved
single
stage,
logistically
limited
1,000
seat
venue
with
a
thriving
end
user
that
can
help
us
service.
What
this
made
a
debt
would
be
on
the
project
like
this
is
not
going
to
happen.
Q
We
don't
have
the
power
as
a
council
to
undo
the
decisions
that
led
us
to
this
point.
We
can't
make
a
benefactor
appear.
We
can't
create
an
end
user
for
the
site
and
we
can't
continue
to
select
this
property
sit
for
another
10
years
as
an
RDA
board
member,
acting
on
the
facts
that
exists
at
this
time,
and
at
this
moment
our
decision
today
comes
down
to
this.
Q
Finally,
I'm
also
committing
to
try
and
prevent
some
of
the
circumstances
that
got
us
into
this
unique
position.
So
that's
why
madam
chair
I
would
ask
that
we
direct
our
DEA
staff
to
review
the
policy
for
disposition
of
adjacent
property
or
of
disposition
of
property
to
adjacent
owners
and
build
in
more
input
and
more
process
from
the
public
through
an
RFP
or
some
other
competitive
process.
A
You
vice
chair
mr.
Wharton
and
I
I
do
know
that
we
had
discussed
that
particular
ordinance
and
policy
and
are
looking
at
having
that
discussion
on
a
future
agenda
to
kind
of
parallel
that,
because
of
this
frustration
that
we
have
all
felt
during
this
this
process,
so
I
can
assure
you
that
you
can
almost
assure
you
that
it
will
be
on
a
future
agenda.
It
depends
on
I,
might
the
chairperson
next
year.
So
thank.
R
Sure
I'd
like
to
make
the
motion
I
move.
The
RTA
board
adopt
the
resolution
authorizing
a
full
purchase
price
right
down
of
the
real
property
located
at
144
to
158
South
Main,
subject
to
additional
contingencies,
confirmation
that
the
developer
intends
to
build
green
open
space
in
addition
to
a
mid
block
walkway
as
part
of
the
proposed
project
and
prior
to
closing.
The
developer
will
provide
to
the
board
detailed
plans
for
the
open
space
and
proposed
cost
to
to
constitute
a
construct.
The
open
space
be
insured.
R
I've
got
oh
yeah,
I'm.
Sorry,
there's
two
parts
on
the
back.
In
addition,
that
160
main
LLC
is
added
in
the
resolution
as
the
additional
developer
of
the
project
and
three
that,
prior
to
demolishing
the
Utah
theater,
the
RDA
ensures
historic
elements
of
the
theater
are
sufficiently
documented
through
measured
drawings,
film
photographs
and
or
written
data
to
provide
a
detailed
record
to
the
board
and
public
of
the
property's
significant
significance.
I.
P
Sure
I
would
like
I
would
like
to
read
something
I
know:
I
will
vote
right
after
this
today,
I'm
asked
I'm
being
asked
by
the
executive
director,
who
is
the
mayor
to
make
a
decision
on
a
write
down
on
a
precious
piece
of
property
in
our
downtown.
The
questions
I
need
to
answer
is:
are
the
public
benefits
negotiated
with
the
wire
good
enough
that
it
merits
the
light
that
sorry
the
land
right
down?
P
S
A
A
Q
A
A
A
A
And
I
think
we've
had
several
briefings
on
this
one
as
well,
so
if
we
can
just
do
a
quick
overview
and
go
from
there,
we
are
set
to
do
take
some
action.
There's
a
motion
sheet
in
your
folders.
If
you
want
to
look
at
that
and
there's
other
options
in
the
staff
report,
but
then,
if
you
kind
of
want
to
give
us
an
overview,
that'd
be
great
motion.
O
Sheet
is
also
up
on
the
big
screen
for
reference.
The
board
had
a
briefing
last
a
month
on
November
12th,
the
project
which
includes
two
components.
The
streetscape
improvements,
as
well
as
the
electrical
undergrounding,
has
a
total
estimated
cost
of
seven
and
a
half
million
dollars,
and
the
board
has
fully
appropriated
those
funds.
The
question
for
the
board
today
is
how
to
handle
the
annual
maintenance
of
the
improvements.
O
The
current
estimate
is
forty-four
thousand
three
hundred
and
seven
dollars
a
year,
and
this
includes
landscaping,
especially
of
planter
beds,
as
well
as
the
hardscape
maintenance,
water,
electricity
and
a
small
contingency
on
top
of
that,
previous
designs
were
significantly
higher
in
their
annual
maintenance.
At
one
point
over
two
hundred
thousand
dollars
the
forty
four
thousand
three
hundred
and
seven
dollars
a
year
in
annual
maintenance,
the
board
previously
discussed
an
essay,
a
a
special
assessment
area
where
property
owners
vote
needs
to
be
61
percent
support
or
more
support
a
levy
on
their
property.
O
There
are
four
options
on
page
two
of
the
staff
report
related
to
how
to
pay
for
the
maintenance.
The
first
is
scope
reductions.
If
there's
not
a
way
or
a
willingness
to
pay
for
the
maintenance,
you
don't
build
the
asset
that
needs
the
maintenance.
These
these.
This
would
be
scope
reductions
in
the
project.
The
second
option
is
for
the
RDA
to
pay
the
annual
maintenance.
This
would
need
to
come
from
program
income
fund,
which
is
the
agency's
most
flexible
dollars
that
can
be
spent
on
any
of
the
agency's
purposes.
O
This
is
necessary
because
the
West
temple
Gateway
project
area
is
expired,
so
it
doesn't
have
that
tax
increment
revenue
option.
A
third
option
is
to
split
the
funding
between
the
RDA
and
the
general
fund,
and
this
could
be
split
in
different
percentages,
or
it
could
be
phased
in
over
years.
The
last
option
is
proceeding
with
the
SI,
a
process
which,
as
I
stated,
doesn't
have
to
fully
cover
the
44
thousand
dollar
annual
maintenance
cost.
O
A
You
for
that
and
I
don't
know
if
there's
comments.
Do
we
have
comments
on
this
I
do
want
to
point
something
out
that
we
sort
of
already
did
a
scope
reduction
from
what
the
board
originally
saw
several
months
ago.
I
don't
even
know.
Last
year,
perhaps
I
feel
like
we've
been
talking
about
this
for
a
while,
and
so
the
current
iteration
would
not
include
snow
removal
for
that
area
or
trash
is.
Q
A
A
A
A
S
Excuse
me
so
embarrassed.
The
question
comes
back
to
me
from
a
previous
time.
Would
we
do
this
for
the
other
project
areas
we're
looking
at
new
ones
coming
on
existing
ones?
What
is
the
scope
consistent?
Is
there
something
that
would
tell
me
that
State
Street
are
CDA
non
line?
Cda
stations
Center,
which
is
a
different
deal,
I
know
other
places?
Would
this
be
a
template
to
be
kind
of
used
again
or
what
different,
potentially
the.
N
Answer
to
that
would
be
no
I
think
with
direction
of
the
board.
We've
understood
that
our
template
for
moving
forward
would
probably
one
of
two
paths,
one
if
it
was
entirely
community
driven
and
the
community
came
to
the
city
and
said
that
they
wanted
to
establish
an
essay
and
tax
themselves
and
do
these
improvements.
That
would
be
one
process.
It
could
happen
if
it
was
something
that
the
RTA
was
looking
at
doing.
S
N
A
What
we
kind
of
have
talked
about
in
that
briefing
that
I
remember
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
is
that
you
would
go
to
a
project
and
say
hey
property
owners,
we.
What
do
you
want?
They
say
we
want,
but
I
like
to
refer
to
as
the
unicorn,
which
is
you
know,
everything
under
the
Sun
kind
of
thing
and
they
say:
ok
well,
how
are
we
going
to
maintain
that
and
then
you
get
the
buy-in
from
the
community,
which
I
think
was
one
of
the
things
that
we
learned
from
this
particular
project?
A
Is
it
was
sort
of
offered
the
unicorn,
but
nobody
said:
how
are
we
gonna
feed
the
unicorn
and
now
we're
trying
to
figure
that
out
and
and
help
the
community
get
what
they
want?
So
I
think
we've
learned
a
lot
from
this
and,
as
chair
have
really
tried
to
push
how
how
do
we
have
that
maintenance
discussion
before
we
increase
an
expectation
for
the
community
but
rather
bring
them
along
with
the
discussion
of
maintenance
and
the
expectations?
S
It
up
because
we're
gonna
have
the
discussion
again
and
people
are
gonna
say
well.
Well,
they
got
that
yeah
two
years
ago,
a
year
ago
three
years
ago,
and
we
need
an
answer.
For
that
I
mean
that's.
My
concern
is
going
forward.
Is
that
I
know
we're
gonna
ban
option
of
the
discussion
about
this
and
it's
gonna
be
an
essay
a
or
we're
gonna
fund
ourselves,
but
if
we
don't
fund
it
ourselves,
yes,
it's
gonna
feel
inequitable.
S
So
what's
gonna
happen,
so
I
just
need
that,
on
the
record
that
we
know
right
now,
we
know
we're
at
a
crossroads.
We
know
it's
difficult
decision
right
now,
but
it's
setting
a
precedent
for
us
going
forward.
So,
if
I
look
at
other
new
ideas
coming
forward,
I'm
gonna
be
very
inclined
to
say
well,
I
feel
like
we
probably
need
to
do
that
for
other
areas.
That
may
not
have
the
the
ability
to
do
themselves
for
an
essay
just
like
these
folks.
S
The
second
piece
is
going
to
come
into
play
here
and
I'm
sensitive.
That
says,
somebody
works
for
a
non-profit
and
it
got
brought
up
earlier.
Today
we
are
going.
We
think
we
are
helping
nonprofits
to
stay
downtown
for
a
lot
of
great
reasons,
but
the
inability
to
pay
for
a
major
improvement.
It's
gonna
be
a
dilemma
for
us
that,
if
nonprofits
are
not
expected
to
pay
in
those
kind
of
things
are
gonna
be
hard,
and
so
I
want
to
be
cognizant
of
that
I
love.
S
The
fact
they're
having
nonprofits
in
our
downtown
area
is
beautiful
for
a
lot
of
reasons,
but
I
can't
just
sort
of
say
it's
hard
to
pay.
Therefore,
I
can't
I,
guess
we're
at
this
point
I'm
just
thinking
through
this
and
saying,
if
we
do
it
here,
I,
don't
think
I'm
gonna
have
to
vote
to
do
it
in
the
other
areas
for
the
city
to
pay
for
that
they
already
pay
for
it.
Part
of
the
costs
and.
N
And
even
if
we
provide
that
clarity
in
the
policy,
obviously
you
as
a
board
and
a
City
Council,
have
the
right
to
vote.
However,
you
want
it
at
any
time.
It
really
just
requires
us
to
come
and
have
that
conversation
before
we
get
too
far
down
a
path
of
making
a
determination.
So
you
don't
feel
like
you've
been
boxed
in
at
the
time
as
much
as
we're
having
that
initially.
R
K
The
council
members
have
had
differing
viewpoints
along
the
way,
and
so
at
some
point
we
probably
need
to
come
to
you.
It's
just
a
draft
outline
of
where
we
think
you've
landed,
so
that
you
can
tell
us.
Yes,
that's
where
you've
landed
or
no,
that
isn't
where
you've
landed,
so
that
in
the
future,
our
staff,
the
RDA
staff
and
then
the
general
public
can
know
early
on
what,
where
you're
we're
coming
from.
So.
A
Well
and
I
think
Cindy
to
that
point,
one
of
the
things
that
we've
talked
about
in
our
RDMA
discussions,
particularly
as
it
relates
to
maintenance,
is
that
every
one
really
any
of
the
developments
right
is
that
every
project
area
is
different
with
different
needs
and
different
abilities
and
I.
Think
that
goes
directly
to
what
you're
saying
Andrew
is
that
you
know
there
may
be
another
neighborhood
that
this
is
what
the
answer
is:
the
answer,
the
general
fund
or
the
RDA,
or
whoever
pays
for
that
ongoing
maintenance.
A
There
may
be
another
project
area
where
it
is
an
essay
a
and
that's
the
whole
idea,
I
believe
in
having
this
maintenance
menu
that
we
can
sort
of
say
where
are
we
at
and
where
is
the
neighborhood
at
where's
the
community
at
and
how?
How
can
we
make
sure
that
we
are
addressing
this
but
beforehand
so
that
we
aren't
where
we're
at
today?
So
I
appreciate
that
and
I
think
that
that's
exactly
what
we're
trying
to
do
with
having
these
ongoing
discussions
on
this
I.
S
Appreciate
that
I
come
from
a
place
of
saying
a
brand
new
development
that
has
new
building
on
it.
It's
a
station
center
right.
You
can
start
from
the
ground
up
and
people
opt
in
to
that
area
right
for
areas
like
State
Street,
in
nine
line
they're
already
established
with
small
businesses
who
are
landowners
and
then
go
in
and
say.
Well,
you
have
a
choice.
You
can
have
the
full
contingency
of
maintenance,
but
you
have
to
do
an
essay
a
they
don't
have
a
real
good
choice.
S
S
P
Little
bit
aboard
accept
the
plan
for
the
general
fund
to
provide
basic
maintenance
to
the
improvements
as
currently
designed
and
released
a
contingency
on
construction
funding
for
the
central,
9th
streetscape
improvements.
It
is
the
understanding
of
the
world
that
future
potential
improvements,
particularly
those
involving
increased
ongoing
maintenance
costs,
will
only
be
consider
if
at
Jason
and
or
nearby
property
owners
agreed
to
participate
in
the
financing
of
those
improvements
and
maintenance.
I
A
R
R
R
N
O
It
would
be
as
I
read
it
future
improvements,
so
something
would
need
to
be
built
or
a
new
service
level
would
need
to
be
provided.
That
would
be
the
trigger
for
the
increased
costs
to
your
question
about
what
triggers
the
discussion
that
how
is
the
community
going
to
pay
for
this?
It
requires
city
employees
to
remember
this
intent
and
that
that
is
the
direction
the
board
has
given
so
to
an
extent,
there's
not
a
automatic.
This
will
happen,
but
it
is
a
decision
by
this
board
that
staff
has
a
responsibility
to
carry
forward
and
remember.