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A
A
The
work
session
of
the
Salt
Lake
City
Council
for
April
9th
2019
need
to
look
to
see
okay,
so
our
agenda
has
changed.
We're
gonna
change
it
around
a
little
bit.
Instead
of
hearing
about
the
resolution
regarding
the
housing
trust
fund
loan
to
Lincoln
tower
housing
associates
for
property
at
2017,
South
Lincoln,
Street
East.
A
We
are
going
to
move
that
later
on
in
the
agenda,
since
the
developer
is
not
able
to
make
it
right
now,
so
we
are
going
to
move
up
the
last
item
on
our
agenda,
which
is
the
state
legislative
briefing
currently
at
number
seven.
So
we'll
invite
Lynne
pace.
Who
is
the
senior
advisor
to
the
mayor
and
handles
a
lot
of
the
legislative
work
for
us
after
Lynne?
We
will
invite
the
saiga
group
to
come
forward
to
the
table
and
talk
a
little
bit
about
their
perspective
of
the
session.
B
Thank
you
I'm
glad
that
we
finally
got
the
agenda
arranged
in
the
order
of
interest,
so
we
put
legislative
items
first
and
the
rest
can
wait
until
later,
but
anyway.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
having
me
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
come
back
and
to
visit
with
you
post
session
to
talk
about
what
happened
and
what
didn't
happen,
and
you
have
the
briefing
materials
I
sent
you
and
I
hope.
You've
had
a
chance
at
least
a
glance
through
those
on
the
whole
I
think
Salt,
Lake
City
had
a
very
good
session.
B
It
was
every
session,
is
different
and
for
a
variety
of
reasons,
but
the
focus
this
session
was
dominated
by
two
issues.
That
really
did
not
involve
the
city,
the
first
two
weeks
being
almost
completely
dominated
by
by
Medicaid,
and
that
issue
and
the
last
part
of
the
session
being
dominated
by
the
tax
reform
issue,
and
and
so
in
that
process
a
lot
of
the
things
we
were
doing
were
just
you
know
they
were
not.
B
B
What
I
wanted
to
do
here
was
to
highlight
where
we
started
the
session
in
terms
of
the
joint
priorities
that
have
been
identified
between
the
administration
and
the
council
and
that's
those
the
ones
listed
and
then
on
each
of
those
items,
I
added
to
that
list
of
priorities.
What
the
results
were.
So
you
can
look
through
that
and
I'd
be
happy
to
discuss
any
of
those
beyond
beyond
that
list
of
priorities.
That
I
then
added
other
additional
priority
items
that
cropped
up
during
the
session.
B
C
B
B
It's
back
for
another
round.
You
know
another
turn
on
the
merry-go-round.
Many
of
these
issues
have
not
gone
away.
The
most
significant
of
those
is
the
tax
reform
issue,
which
will
not
even
go
away
until
next
session.
As
you're
aware,
the
the
the
bill
that
was
proposed,
House
bill,
411
I
think
we
have
441
was
the
tax
equalization
bill
that
bill
said
sort
of
died
under
its
own
weight,
because
there
was
so
much
opposition
to
the
attempt
to
expand
the
sales
tax
base.
B
They
first
tried
to
get
their
arms
around
that
by
by
getting
rid
of
the
locals
and
just
doing
the
state
portion,
but
even
that
they
couldn't
get
the
support
for
it
and
they
dropped
the
whole
thing
and
pushed
it
off
toward
it
to
a
special
session.
Instead,
they
passed
House
bill
495,
which
is
a
tax
reform
task
force
with
the
intent
that
they
will
continue
to
study
all
of
those
issues
and
bring
them
back.
B
Their
intent
in
the
stated
intent
is
to
bring
them
back
for
discussion
before
the
interim
revenue
and
Taxation
Committee
in
August
I.
We
can
discuss
that
more,
but
I
think
my
own
sense
is
that's
a
little
bit
optimistic
because
what
they
weren't
able
to
get
to
YES
on
in
the
session.
They
have
no
greater
degree
of
agreement
going
forward
into
a
special
session.
B
The
question
that
the
real
fight
was
over
what's
out
what's
in,
and
the
house
was
holding
the
line
firmly
that
everything
had
to
be
in
because
they
knew
if
they
started
letting
individual
pieces
or
segments
of
the
services
out.
That
would
start
to
unravel
so
they
were
holding
that
line,
but
with
a
30%
expansion
of
the
sales
tax
base,
they
were
anxious
to
make
this
a
revenue
neutral
bill.
B
The
first
tier
would
be
in
about
six
months,
second
tier
in
another
six
months
after
they
got
more
data
to
see
how
much
it
was
really
coming
in,
but
they
would
have
dropped
the
rate
by
about
a
third
in
a
community
like
Salt
Lake
City,
an
expansion
by
a
third
and
a
reduction
expansion
of
the
base
by
a
third
and
reduction
of
the
rate
by
a
third
would
have
left
us
in
all
likelihood,
in
a
net
revenue.
Positive
position,
because
many
of
those
services
are
located
in
Salt,
Lake
City.
B
In
the
process
of
that
dialogue,
they
focused
increasingly
on
looking
at
base
expansion
and
rate
reduction
and
less
and
less
about.
Was
there
any
discussion
about
a
change
in
the
distribution
formula
of
sales
tax
which
which
again
was
positive
for
the
city,
because
without
50/50
formula,
50%
point
of
sale,
50%
population
favors,
high
commercial
areas
like
Salt
Lake
City
with
a
lot
of
point-of-sale
sales
tax?
So
having
that
formula
remain
unchanged
would
have
been
very
positive
for
the
city.
Now,
what
will
happen
when
you
go
in
a
special
session?
B
No
one's
quite
sure
they
will
continue
the
dialogue
they
were
having
on
the
terms
I
just
described.
The
members
of
the
Senate
who
seem
to
be
much
more
reluctant
about
this
whole
process
have
said:
that's
much
too
difficult.
Much
too
complicated,
we're
not
sure
that's
the
right
approach.
Perhaps
we
should
explore
other
alternatives,
one
of
which
might
be
putting
the
sales
tax
back
on
food.
That
was
one
option.
Another
option
was
changing
the
constitutional
prohibition,
the
constitutional
requirement
that
requires
that
all
sale,
all
income
tax
be
used
for
education.
B
If
they
remove
that
impediment,
then
the
growing
silo
of
edge
of
income
tax
money
could
be
used
for
general
fund
purposes,
but
that
would
of
course
require
a
constitutional
amendment
that
would
have
to
be
approved
by
the
voters.
But
at
least
those
three
possibilities
have
been
discussed
to
some
degree.
I
expect
that
literally
within
the
next
week
or
two,
they
will
start
assembling
this
task
and
start
having
that
dialogue.
Where
that
will
go,
I,
don't
know
how
soon
how
fast
it
will
move.
B
I
don't
know,
but
we
are
watching
that
very
carefully,
because
that
will
have
a
huge
impact
on
Salt,
Lake
City
and
on
every
local
government,
thanks
Lynn.
So
that's
the
that's.
The
really
the
big-ticket
item
going
forward,
but
just
I
think
there
are
other
items
as
well:
the
housing
affordability
item.
B
So
a
lot
of
the
funding
either
got
pared
back
or
converted
from
ongoing
funding
to
one-time
funding
in
that
process.
The
24
million
dollars
of
state
money
that
was
going
to
be
included
in
the
affordable
housing
bill
got
pulled
out.
So
they
did
the
structural
and
regulatory
reforms,
but
they
did
not
put
any
state
money
into
the
project.
That
was
disappointing
for
a
lot
of
reasons.
I
have
pointed
out
frequently
that
Salt
Lake
City
at
least
I've,
been
informed,
Salt,
Lake
City.
It
has
invested
21
million
dollars
in
affordable
housing
in
the
last
year.
B
The
state
has
invested,
oh
wait.
That
would
be
zero
dollars.
We
think
the
state
needs
to
step
up
and
put
their
money
where
their
mouth
is
and
we'll
be.
Looking
at
that
there's
an
ongoing
housing,
affordability,
commission
and
they
will
be
meeting
literally
this
week,
but
we
hope
that
they
will
take
a
serious
look
at
funding
that
project.
B
A
couple
of
other
ones,
you're
aware
of
the
dialogue
we
had
on
the
municipal,
boundary
adjustment,
or
at
least
the
possibility
of
a
bill
that
would
have
enabled
municipal
boundary
adjustments
with
the
city
of
Mill
Creek.
That
bill
was
pulled
in
part
because
of
our
commitment
to
the
city
of
Mill
Creek
that
we
would
engage
in
a
dialogue
and
and
explore
joint
goals
and
objectives
for
the
brickyard
area
and
I
think
those
meetings
have
been
scheduled
or
preliminary
meetings
have
been
scheduled
to
do
that.
B
So
there
will
clearly
be
follow-up
on
that
item
as
well
and
oh
yeah,
and
then
there
was
this
inland
port
legislation
just
that
little
item
in
the
agenda.
There.
Obviously
there's
lots
more
to
come
on
that
issue
as
well
as
they
as
they
move
toward
what
they've
described
as
a
hub-and-spoke
model
and
I.
Think
you'll
see
you'll,
see
a
fair
amount
of
dialogue
about
project
areas
in
other
communities,
most
notably
I.
B
In
a
way
that
is
consistent
with
the
other
people
who
are
already
operating
in
the
specificity,
car
rental
companies
who
are
operating
at
the
airport,
you've
really
got
taxi
cabs
and
then
you've
got
Oberon.
Lyft
and
you've
got
traditional
car
rental
companies
on
premise
off
premise
and
then
you've
got
Toro
each
of
those
have
different
regulatory
requirements
and
permitting
processes
and
we're
working
through
that
with
Toro
Toro,
actually
was
anxious
to
sort
of
preempt
that
process.
By
going
to
the
legislature
that
legislation
was
was
defeated.
B
A
B
Okay,
let
me
go
on
with
a
couple
of
other
ones:
the
in
the
on
the
with
respect
to
public
safety.
We
have
two
bills
there,
both
of
which
will
have
a
fiscal
impact
for
the
city.
The
first
is
Senate
bill
129,
which
is
the
bill
that
in
enhanced
the
public
safety
retirement
benefits-
and
there
was
a
lot
of
dialogue
during
the
session
about
whether
or
not
the
state
was
going
to
contribute
on
how
much
and
first
your
money
and
ongoing
money.
B
B
The
compromise
that
was
reached
was
the
state
in
essence
deferred
the
effective
date
of
that
bill
for
one
year,
so
initially
they
were
going
to
fund
in
the
first
year
and
then
the
cost
would
the
lard
the
bulk
of
the
cost
would
have
been
shifted
local
government
that
remains,
but
the
state
did
not
fund
the
first
year,
so
they
just
delayed
the
effective
date.
So
the
fiscal
impact
on
us
is
the
same
as
we
expected,
but
the
bill
will
be
one
year
delayed
and
taking
effect,
but
we
will
want
to
look
at
that.
B
Others
who
know
the
budget
and
the
numbers
better
than
I
do
will
want
to
look
at
what
the
fiscal
impact
will
be
for
the
city.
There's
also
dialogue
at
the
legislature
about
continuing
to
to
sort
of
build
back
those
benefits
to
pre-recession
levels
and
have
very
limited
knowledge
on
this,
but
there's
a
four
somehow
a
fourteen
million
dollar
gap
that
still
remains
unfunded.
The
legislature
is
anxious
to
look
at
how
to
fund
that
gap
to
restore
those
retirement
benefits
to
what
they
were
essentially
two
before
they,
the
Great
Recession.
So
watch
that
item
the
other.
B
One
is
oh
sorry,
question
the
other.
One
is
Senate
bill
154,
which
increases
the
9-1-1
fees,
the
surcharge
on
line
items
from
I,
think
it's
nine
cents
to
twenty-eight
cents
or
something
like
that
to
fund
the
updating
of
equipment,
and
so
we'll
want
to
follow
up
there
with
how
that
money
flows
and
how
much
so
that
we
can.
B
We
worked
with
the
scooter
industry,
the
two
providers
that
we
have
in
Salt
Lake
City
to
get
a
bill
passed
House
bill
139
that
provides
a
regulatory
framework
for
the
regulation
of
the
scooters
downtown.
That
will.
My
understanding
is
that
that
will
need
to
be
followed
up
with
an
ordinance,
a
local
ordinance
from
the
city
gen
I
do.
But
anyway,
that
was
a
bill.
We
wanted
and
worked
with
the
industry
to
get
so
that
we
have
the
state
framework
which
we
did
not
control,
then
we'll
need
to
follow
up
with
the
the
local
ordinance
portion.
B
Now
that
bill
has
been
passed,
several
RDA
pieces
of
legislation-
I,
don't
know
that
those
will
I,
don't
know
that
I
need
to
go
into
detail
there.
Unless
you
have
questions
and
then
let
me
see
if
there's
another
in
terms
of
bills,
if
I
can
jump
to
the
list
of
bills
with
a
fiscal
impact
just
trying
to
see
if
there's
anything
significant,
there
there's
a
change
to
the
governmental
immunity
bill
so
that
changes
the
it
changes.
The
liability
caps
for
local
government
and,
while
Salt
Lake
City,
has
not
had
a
caps
case
for
some
time.
B
The
amount,
the
the
amount
of
the
caps
tends
to
influence
the
negotiations
that
go
into
resolving
those
cases.
So
the
likelihood
is
you'll
see
an
uptick
in
the
cost
of
the
city
there
because
of
those
increasing
caps
and
then
I
think
the
other
ones
are
relatively
straightforward.
The
Medicaid
you're,
obviously
aware
of
that,
has
just
recently
gone
into
effect.
E
I
appreciate
the
the
update
and
sort
of
the
summary
of
all
of
these
bills
and
besides
the
Mill
Creek,
one
I
may
have
missed
your
answer
and
simply
sort
of
a
yes
or
no
I.
Think,
given
that
the
background
that
you
gave
us,
but
does
the
administration,
does
the
administration
have
a
plan
and
a
strategy
right
now
in
creating
some
of
these
relationships
for
these
bills
that
we
know
we're
going
to
come
back
around
so
that
we
are
a
step
ahead
as
much
as
possible.
The.
B
My
time
doing
during
the
other
320
days
so
and
if
I
can
mr.
chair,
if
I
can
just
take
him
and
I
should
have
mentioned
this,
there
there's
another
list
that
I
have
not
yet
finished.
So
it's
not
in
your
packet,
but
these
are
items
where
I
think
there
will
be
significant
follow-up
during
the
interim.
If
you
can
just
bear
with
me,
it's
the
tax
reform.
B
We
talked
about
housing,
affordability,
the
Mill,
Creek
issue,
the
inland
port
and
there's
really
two
issues
there
right,
there's
the
litigation
that
has
been
filed
by
the
mayor
and
then
there's
all
of
the
ongoing
dialogue
in
the
meantime
right
with
the
preparation
for
the
prison
and
the
economic
development
there
and
whatever
might
be
happening.
So
it's
sort
of
a
two
to
tier
process
with
the
inland
port.
B
The
one
bill
that
I
forgot
to
mention
there
was
an
amendment
in
the
land.
The
big
land
use
bill
this
year.
That
we'll
know
so
it
is
no
longer
required
that
an
elected
official
be
the
appeal
authority
for
historic
appeals
from
historic
districts.
So
now
the
city
has
the
option
to
send
those
Appeals
where
we
think
appropriate.
But
if
we
want
to
change
our
ordinance
to
send
those
appeals
to
a
hearing
officer
rather
than
the
mayor,
then
we
need
to
amend
our
ordinance.
The
retirement
issue,
I
mentioned
911
funding
scooters,
RDA
legislation,
gravel
pits.
B
There
was
a
bill
passed
last
year.
Big
move
mostly
generated
by
friction
at
Draper
point
of
the
mountain
and
in
Tooele,
where
the
local
community
is
mad
at
their
gravel
pit
operators
and
too
much
dust
and
noise
and
all
those
sort
of
things,
and
there
was
a
been
it's
been,
a
local
move
to
sort
of
shut
down
or
him
in
these
gravel
pits.
The
legislature,
which
tends
to
be
development
friendly
in
case
you
haven't,
noticed,
wanted
to
run
a
bill
that
would
basically
let
gravel
pits
expand
it
will
we
pushed
back
on
that
and
said?
B
B
There's
also
an
issue
that
we've
discovered,
where
we
have:
we've
discovered
that,
notwithstanding
the
virtual
explosion
in
the
numbers
of
number
of
cell
phones
and
cell
phone
usage,
the
amount
of
revenues
that
the
city
is
receiving
from
telecom
taxes
is
declining,
which
is
a
great
mystery
to
us.
We're
looking
at
that.
We
suspect
that
there's
been
some
adjustment
of
the
bill
and
a
way
to
try
and
exempt
some
of
the
bill
from
taxes,
but
we'll
be
looking
at
that
issue
with
the
league
and
trying
to
work
through
that
issue.
E
And
I
know
that
those
are
issues
that
we're
gonna
have
come
up.
I
just
I
know
that
we're
it's
not
part
of
this
body,
but
I'm,
hoping
that
we
can
keep
in
communication
about
those
strategies,
I'm
just
curious
of
how
we
can
all
how
we
can
help
out
and
what
we
can
do
and
I'm
hoping
that
we
can
continue
that
dialogue
of
maybe
in
these
different
situations,
what
the
strategies
might
be
and
and
how
you
know
we
can
be
of
assistance
if
need
be.
Yes,.
B
Thank
you
I
appreciate
you
mentioning
that,
because
they're
often
two
ways
that
we
approach
this
one
is
on
an
issue
where
we
have
not
addressed
the
problem.
I
often
like
to
find
a
solution
locally,
come
to
you
and
and
and
find
our
solution
and
then
go
to
the
state
and
say
try
this
here's.
What
we
did
in
salt
lake
seems
to
work
right
and
we
take
the
lead
and
we
come
up
with
our
own
solution.
B
There
are
also
many
times
when
we
have
done
something
it's
the
problem
somewhere
in
the
state,
but
where
we
have
already
addressed
it.
This
was
a
case
in
point.
Is
we
already
had
a
Public
Utilities
Advisory
Commission
with
non
city
members,
and
so,
as
that
issue
came
up
at
the
state,
we
suggested
a
solution
of
the
state
that
was
very
similar
to
what
we
had
already
done,
because
that
it
worked
so
I
intend
I,
appreciate
that
invitation.
B
I
I
expect
to
be
back
to
coordinate
collaborate
with
you
about
how
we
might
help
the
state
find
solutions
to
these
issues,
because
on
many
of
these
issues
faking
placing
local
government,
we
know
more
about
it.
We
have
dealt
with
it
more,
we
are
ahead
of
the
state
and
if
we
can
find
the
right
solution,
they
are
very
receptive
to
our
leadership
on
that
issue.
So
Thank
You,
councilmember.
F
Thank
you
similar
question
to
councilmember
Fowler
I,
guess
in
the
sense
that
the
legislative
subcommittee
that
will
be
reformed
this
month
next
month,
sometime
usually
in
April,
may
want
to
talk
more
with
the
administration,
because
we
have
a
vacant
position
that
was
wait.
One
position
was
vacated
a
few
months
ago,
a
lobbyist
position
or
advisory
position,
I
guess
technically,
Ken
Bullock,
that's
not
being
refilled
as
I
understand.
Is
that
correct?
F
Oh
all,
right
so
there's
a
boost
in
there,
that's
not
being
refilled,
and
we
probably
want
to
have
some
ongoing
discussions
about
knowing
there'll
be
a
transition
to
a
new
administration.
What
our
plans
are
for
current
positions
and
vacant
positions
in
preparation
for
next
session.
Now
what
that
transition?
A
second
question
which
I
probably
know
the
answer
to
but
I
I,
need
to
ask
it
anyway,
with
tax
tax
reform
efforts.
Is
there
any
discussion
anywhere
about
real
estate
in
healthcare
being
exempted
and
revisiting
that?
What.
B
The
state
did
on
that
issue.
Is
they?
They
tried
to
broaden
the
base
as
much
as
possible,
and
in
order
to
maintain
the
credibility
of
that
that
effort,
they
had
to
say
as
much
as
they
could.
We
have
included
everyone
notwithstanding
that
there
were
enormous
frictions
at
including,
for
instance,
real
estate
and
I'll
come
back.
That
is
what
that
means
and
health
care,
because
they
were
both
huge,
but
those
those
issues
might
sink
the
proposal.
B
So
if
you,
if
you
read
carefully
between
the
lines
in
in
their
description
of
what
the
bill,
did,
they
taxed
a
number
of
things,
but
not
all
of
those
were
sales
tax.
Some
of
them
were
in
effect
fees
or
transaction
taxes,
so
that
they
could
say
we
have
included
these
other
folks,
even
though
they
didn't
impose
a
sales
tax
on
them
or
where
they
did
impose
a
sales
tax.
It
was
on
a
subset
of
the
whole,
so
it
wasn't
taxing
the
real
estate
transfer.
B
It
was
taxing
the
appraisal
or
the
title
report,
or
things
like
that.
Those
are
continuing
areas
of
friction
and,
and
there
are
challenges
everywhere,
you
go
with
every
industry.
Those
groups
tend
to
come
forward
and
say
this
is
a
great
idea.
We
support
it,
but
it
doesn't
work
for
our
industry.
Let
me
tell
you
why
we
should
be
exempt
and.
G
B
See
that
again
and
again
and
again
across
the
board,
that's
the
dialogue
there
they
are
having
and
the
the
fortunate
thing
for
us
is
that
we
have
not,
by
and
large,
been
involved
in
the
fight
over
how
much
the
base
gets
expanded
with
one
small
asterisk
and
that
asterisk
was
taxing
water,
because
right
now
state
exempts
unprepared
food
and
exempts
water
from
sales
tax.
This
bill
left
food
untaxed,
but
proposed
a
tax
water.
There
was
that
was
an
and
a
group
that
came
in
and
said,
that's
a
mistake
that
shouldn't
be
done.
B
We
ought
to
leave
it
as
is,
but
our
interest
was
speaking
for
the
city
globally
was
really
after
you
decide
how
much
you're
going
to
expand
the
base.
After
you
know
how
big
the
pie
is
going
to
grow,
then
we
can
talk
about
how
much
the
rate
needs
to
be
adjusted
to
compensate
for
the
growth.
They
never
got.
Past
issue
number
one.
So
we
never
really
got
the
issue
number
two,
that's
where
we
are
going
into
the
interim
discussion,
so.
F
B
H
Again,
with
regard
to
the
sales
tax
I'm
having
a
hard
time
finding
like
what
model
this
is
based
on
from
another
state
it
it
can.
You
tell
me
where
I
can
find
this
information,
just
a
blanket
tax
on
all
services,
so
am
I
correct,
but
like
there
really
isn't
one
or
am
I
just
not
as
good
at
googling
as
I
always
thought.
I
was
like
I'm.
B
Not
sure
I
know
the
answer
to
that,
and
we
probably
should
ask
someone
from
the
state
who
could
who
could
answer
that
better
than
I
could
I
kept
getting
reports
and
it
was
second-hand
information
from
those
who
were
in
support.
Saying
this
is
revolutionary.
This
is,
we
will
be
the
first
we
will
be.
We
will
be
the
trendsetters
will
even
it
and
others
saying
no
we're
not
this
state
tried
it
and
it
failed.
This
state
tried
it
and
they
repealed
it
a
year
later.
B
H
Okay
and
then
second
question
is
just
more
for
my
colleagues
but
the
historic
appeals,
the
change,
the
historic
appeals
process
to
me
as
significant
and
I'm
just
wondering
mr.
chair.
If
we
can
put
that
on
a
list
of
potential
discussion
items
because
I
think
I
don't
know
if
we
want
to
keep
it
as
the
I
don't
know
if
we
want
to
do
a
hearing
officer,
but
it
seems
that
since
the
options
changed
that
maybe
we
should
revisit
that
discussion.
Sure
if.
B
I
can
just
speak
to
that
two
years
ago,
representative
Kurt
Webb,
because
of
a
problem
in
Logan,
not
Salt,
Lake
City
Logan
got
very
frustrated
with
their
historic
group
and
he
put
into
the
legislation
that
appeals
on
historic
properties
had
to
go
to
and
he
wanted
to
send
to
the
City,
Council
and
I
said
timeout.
Thank
you
very
much
representative,
but
some
cities
have
a
divided
form
of
government,
and
this
is
an
administrative
function,
not
a
legislative,
and
he
said:
okay,
fine.
It
has
to
go
to
any
elected
official.
B
Well
when
he
put
that
in
the
bill.
What
that
meant
was
that
in
cities
like
Salt
Lake,
where
you
have
a
strong
mayor
form
of
government,
those
appeals
went
to
go
to
the
mayor.
What
that?
What
we
have
found
is
that
that
unnecessarily
politicized
the
process,
whether
you
were
for
or
against
it.
Everybody
thought
that,
because
the
mayor
wasn't
elected
official,
that
they
could
get
her
ear
and
persuade
her
to
their
point
of
view,
either
on
the
merits
or
on
the
politics.
I
B
A
B
Well,
there
were,
there
were
a
couple
of
times
and
I
I
will
I,
will
publicly
praise
the
sago
group
and
our
other
contract
lobbyist
before
I
finish
here.
You
know
everyone
has
sort
of
says
a
lot
lobbyists
with
a
smirk
or
a
wink
of
your
eye,
but
they
perform
a
valuable
function
for
the
city
and
they
performed
a
very
valuable
function
this
year
on
a
number
of
bills,
for
instance
on
the
water
legislation.
Remember
our
priority
was
to
get
those
bills
passed
with
no
amendments.
B
Well,
the
chair
of
the
house,
natural
resource
committee,
wanted
to
amend
all
three
of
those
bills
and
he
pushed
hard
to
do
that.
But
in
that
context
and
a
couple
of
others,
we
said
to
our
lobbyists.
We
need
all
hands
on
deck
hit.
This
hard
hold
the
line
and
we
were
able
to
mean
his
own
committee
voted
down
his
amendments.
No.
D
B
Unusual
occurrence
same
thing
happened
with
the
rocky
mountain
power
bill.
That's
at
the
end
of
our
priority
list
that
bill
we
thought
was
well
had
little
opposition
Rocky
Mountain
Power
was
in
favor
of
the
local
government
was
in
favorite.
It
went
into
committee
and
failed
on
a
tie
vote
which
sort
of
caught
us
by
surprise
and
functionally
the
bill
was
dead.
At
that
point
we
went
to
work.
Dave
Stewart
was
our
primary
point
of
contact
on
that
bill.
B
Dave
and
and
all
of
our
contract
lobbyist
teams
went
to
work
to
get
that
bill
back
on
the
agenda
to
get
it
out
of
the
voted
favorably
out
of
committee.
It
sailed
through
the
house
and
then
had
to
go
through
the
sifting
process
in
the
Senate,
because
we
were
late
in
the
session
and
it
took
some
real
heroics
to
get
that
bill
up
on
the
Senate
board
and
voted
out
and
voted
out
positively,
all
in
the
context
of
the
mayor
having
filed
a
lawsuit
against
the
state.
B
So,
in
that
same
time,
when
news
came
out
that
the
mayor
had
filed
her
lawsuit,
that
was
the
time
when
we
were
trying
to
get
legislators
to
run
as
the
Senators,
particularly
to
run
this
bill
that
we
cared
so
much
about
and
our
lobbyists
really
went
to
work
and
using
their
inside
connections
made
that
happen
got
on
the
board,
got
it
up,
got
a
voted
out
and
the
bill
passed.
So
my
compliments
to
our
lobbying
team,
who
made
that
and
other
things
happen
so.
J
Want
to
thank
you,
lynn,
for
going
first
today
and
going
last
all
the
time
on
all
of
our
legislative
updates.
This
is
a
great
synopsis
of
things
that
we
were
tracking.
Of
course,
it's
eight
pages
longer
than
what
we
thought
we
were
going
to
be
doing,
but
it's
always
that
way
so
I
just
want
to.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
Thank
You
Lynn,
thanks
for
your
work
group
forward
and
for
context,
the
saiga
group
was
contrary
contracted
with
by
the
City
Council.
Prior
to
last
session.
Discussions
went
forward.
Last
fall
the
interview
process,
sago
was
selected,
and
this
is
the
first
session
that
sago
is
represented,
the
Salt,
Lake
City,
Council
and,
seeing
you
know
firsthand
what
they
were
able
to
do,
and
you
know
how
they
were
able
to
work
with
the
rest
of
the
City
team.
It
was.
A
I
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
represent
you
on
the
hill
this
year.
It
was
a
very,
very
interesting
and
fun
opportunity
that
we
had
this
year.
I
want
to
start
out
by
first
thanking
your
staff,
because
you
have
an
amazing
staff.
I
specifically
I
want
to
thank
Cindy,
Nick,
Sam
and
Jennifer,
because
anytime
we
needed
something
Wow.
It
was
within
minutes
that
we
got
it
in.
Sometimes
that
was
at
10
o'clock
at
night
or
later,
and
so
it
was.
I
It
was
unbelievable,
but
then
also
we
want
to
say
thank
the
council
as
well,
because
you,
you
folks,
were
up
there
when
we
needed
you.
You
came
to
the
meetings.
You
helped
us
walk
through
what
we
needed
to
do,
and
so
it
was.
It
was
really
a
great
session
for
us
to
have
that
opportunity
and
to
work
so
closely
with
all
of
you
now
we're
just
gonna
divide
up
here
and
pop
through
a
couple
things:
we're
gonna,
try
and
keep
this
under
10
minutes,
so
you're
up
council.
D
Joe
pyrrha
members
say
go
first
and
foremost,
I'd
like
to
say
that
when
you
brought
us
on,
we
were
told
by
multiple
members
of
the
council
that
we
would
be
working
almost
exclusively
on
the
inlet
port
issue.
Ten
minutes
later
we
had
a
half
a
dozen
other
issues
and
when,
when
Susan
says
it's
fun,
this
is
what
we
do
for
a
living
and
it
was
indeed
fun
and
challenging,
and
rewarding
and
I
think
successful
for
the
council.
D
I
wanted
to
touch
on
just
a
couple
of
the
the
larger
things
you've
worked
on
and
some
of
the
underlying
processes
and
where
we
are
going
forward.
I'd
like
to
start
with
the
Mill
Creek
issue,
which
was
kind
of
under
the
radar
I
think
for
a
lot
of
people
for
most
of
the
year
last
year,
at
least
on
the
council
side
of
things
and
and
and
once
we
kind
of
got
our
heads
around
that
and
started
attacking
that
issue
a
little
bit
on
what
the
underlying
problems
were
and
how
we
could
get
them
fixed.
D
We
spent
a
couple
of
months
felt
like
a
couple
of
months
before
the
session,
trying
to
figure
out.
Why
we
had
the
issue
and
if
there
was
any
sort
of
non
legislative
solution,
as
happens
with
many
things,
we
thought
we
came
up
with
an
answer
before
the
session
and
then
and
the
council,
which
is
doing
an
excellent
job
of
repairing
its
relationship
with
the
hill
still
had
to
deal
with.
Some
people
who
wanted
to
run
legislation
on
Mill
Creek
in
Mill,
Creek,
mayor
and
council
did
work
together
with
us,
and
that
was
great.
D
It
was
great
to
talk
to
lawmakers
who
have
who
approached
the
issues
with
open
minds.
I
think
that
when
lobbyists,
when
the
council,
when
staff,
when
we
get
together-
and
we
talk
these
issues
out,
I
think
that
that's
what
I
think
that's
why
we
were
brought
on
board.
You
find
that
lawmakers
have
open
minds.
The
lawmakers
see
that
you
have
open
minds
and
then
there's
a
place
to
go
rather
than
rather
than
just
having
legislation
rammed
down
the
throats.
D
The
second
one,
the
big
one,
inland
port
I,
feel
really
good
about
that
and
I
hope.
You
guys
feel
really
good
about
that.
When
the
bill
came
out,
there
were
a
number
of
issues
that
the
council
was
concerned
with
and
back
to
Susan's
comments
about
staff,
the
response
time
for
the
staff
on
these
breaking
down
the
bill,
figuring
out
what
the
issues
were
and
what
the
council
wanted.
G
I'm
going
to
talk
about
a
couple
of
the
issues
that
we're
going
to
be
seeing
not
not
just
next
session
but
but
that
we
need
to
really
get
to
work
on
right
away.
The
first
one
was
was
really
a
non-issue.
Almost
from
the
beginning,
a
a
newly
elected
member
represented
just
Stan
quest,
really
had
concerned
about
school
board's,
not
being
more
accountable
and
being
districting,
and
so
in
the
drafting
process.
G
He
thought
that
it
was
a
great
idea
to
have
every
elected
position
other
than
legislators.
Every
elected
position
be
focused
on
the
entirety
of
that
jurisdiction,
so
in
Salt,
Lake
City,
all
of
your
seats
instead
of
district,
would
have
been
citywide
seats
and
so
being
able
to
meet
with
him
and
express
concerns
of
local
government
and
and
validate
that
what
he
was
looking
for
at
a
school
board
level
did
spill
across
he.
G
He
was
very
reasonable
in
in
pulling
that
legislation,
but
he
has
he's
already
reached
out
to
several
people
to
try
to
figure
out
how
to
move
the
process
that
he's
still
interested
in
forward
this
next
year.
One
of
the
issues
we
spent
a
great
deal
of
time
on
you
all
it's
been
a
great
deal
of
time
on
is
the
airport
run
a
Carter?
Oh
just
the
the
giant
issue
that
created
two
bills.
First,
I
want
to
thank
all
of
you
for
taking
the
initiative.
G
These
few
named
companies,
Turo
silver
Audi,
the
big,
the
big
monster
truck
guy.
He
was
enjoyable,
but
the
industry,
the
car
industry
is
moving
towards.
This
model
run
a
car
companies
as
as
well
as
both
both
lines
of
manufacturers,
as
well
as
as
car
traditional
car
dealerships,
and
so
it's
something
that
we
need
to
stay
involved
in
mr.
chair
I
know
that
you've
already
scheduled
meetings
to
make
sure
that
this
is
that
this
is:
has
everybody's
attention
just
pulling
up
my
list.
G
Well,
well,
there
were
it
was
mentioned
by
by
Lynn
that
everybody
worked
on
this
to
make
sure
that
it
these
three
bills
stayed
as
a
package.
I
really
really
should
compliment
the
Petersons.
They
have
done
an
outstanding
job
on
on
water.
They
they
know
everybody
they.
They
know
what
select
city's
issues
are,
and
they
really
really
represented
you
very
very
well
on
water.
D
The
city
of
Mill
Creek
is
working
closely
with
the
city
of
Salt
Lake,
but
it's
not
resolved
and
and
that
haiti's
word
threat
I
think
that's
probably
what
we
can
classify
it
as
that
threat
of
legislation
from
the
hill
to
resolve
problems
that
the
city
may
or
may
not
have
is
always
there,
and
so
it's
important
that
this
city
and
its
representatives
continue
to
move
forward
on
some
of
these
issues.
We
look
at
the
toro
issue
that
is
moving
forward.
It
is
by
no
means
closed.
D
The
inland
port
issue,
inland
port-
it
will
go
on
for
years
and
years,
just
because
the
session
is
over
doesn't
mean
that
the
issues
are
resolved,
and
hopefully
some
of
these
issues
that
were
last
minute
issues.
Turo
Mill
Creek.
Some
of
these
other
issues
that
they're
kind
of
cropped
up
at
the
LAT
at
the
end
of
last
year.
G
Councilmember
Burton,
just
a
a
little
bit
deeper
answer
on
on
where
the
tax
bill
was
created.
Governor
Elaine
Walker
was
actually
who
started
this
process.
She
had
a
very
bright
staffer
who
was
now
a
member
of
the
legislature.
Representative
Roberts
been
love
at
the
time.
He
is
he's
an
economist
and
he
was
tasked
originally
to
to
do
this
process
that
you're
talking
about
came
pre-session
and
said
there.
I
I
think
we
want
to
finally
say
that
we
can't
I,
don't
know
of
any
group
that
we've
seen
turn
themselves
around
into
a
workable
popular
people
that
that
the
legislature
really
wanted
to
work
with,
and
they
realized
that
you
guys
were
good
to
work
with
and
we're
willing
to
work
with
them.
And
so
it
turned
into
a
very
positive
experience
for
all
of
us.
J
I
I
hope
to
have
that
same
view
of,
but
I
don't
feel
like
we're
quite
popular
yet,
and
maybe
it's
not
a
popularity
thing
but
more
of
a
relationship
building,
and
that
has
definitely
been
something
that
you've
helped
us
to
grow
and
the
conversations
we
had
to
Joe's
point
about
hopefully
next
year
being
able
to
get
into
those
conversations
with
much
more
lead
way.
I
think
that
we've
paved
a
good
path
for
us
to
be
able
to
do
that.
So
I
want
to
thank
you
for
working
with
us.
It's
been
great.
E
Just
want
to
say
thanks,
you
guys
have
done
a
really
great
job
and
whenever
I
would
go
up
to
the
hill,
it
always
made
me
feel
a
little
calmer
to
walk
in
and
see
one
of
the
three
of
you
like:
okay,
we're
gonna,
we're
gonna,
make
it
through
today.
So
no,
you
guys
have
done
an
amazing
job
and
I
really
appreciate
it,
and
you
know
just
be
expecting
some
Kiwis
to.
A
Say
and,
and
I
will
say
that
you
know
you,
you
came
into
a
very
tough
situation,
you're
dealing
with
seven
very
opinionated
people
who
obviously
have
every
idea
and
know
how
to
get
stuff
done
in
our
own
minds.
You
have
to
you,
have
to
represent
all
of
us
and
I
and
I
truly
hope
that
everyone
felt
you
know
included
and
that
in
the
updates
I
think
he
did
a
really
good
job.
A
You
know
debriefing
all
of
us
on
everything,
that's
not
easy
to
do,
especially
coming
into
something
as
soon
as
you
did
and
then
having
to
jump
right
into
it.
So
you
managed
that
very,
very
well
and
again,
you
know,
like
I,
said
before
it
was
great
to
see
how
quickly
you
became
members
of
the
team,
not
just
the
City
Council
tamed
the
city,
the
city's
legislative
team
as
well.
So
well
done.
Thank
you
all,
and
we
appreciate
the
update.
A
The
next
item
on
our
agenda
is
an
ordinance
regarding
an
alley
vacation
between
Kensington
and
Bryan
avenues
from
1300
east
to
1400
east.
A
little
bit
of
context
on
this
issue
for
the
council.
I
know
that
in
the
past
we've
we
as
a
council
have
talked
about
not
scheduling
new
alley
vacation
requests
until
we
had
a
more
in-depth
to
see
a
policy
discussion
about
what
the
future
of
alleys
would
be.
A
C
The
alley
is
not
available
for
public
use
and
hasn't
been
for
several
decades,
because
there
are
two
garages
that
sit
back-to-back
built
across
the
alley
blocking
it,
and
the
remaining
portion
of
the
alley
is
used
for
driveways
for
the
homes
that
about
the
alley
on
Kensington
and
Brian
avenues,
the
in
the
presentation
you'll
see
from
Katia
there's
a
1964
aerial
photograph
that
shows
these
garages
built
across
the
alley.
There
are
no
records
indicating
when
the
garages
were
built,
but
we
know
they've
been
there
for
more
than
50
years.
A
J
H
I
think
Brian
already
explained
a
lot.
The
only
thing
that
I
would
like
to
add
is
that
our
policy
is
when
we
vacate
an
alley.
We
divided
in
half
and
deed,
each
half
the
the
alley
to
the
abutting
property
owners
on
this
case,
because
there's
alley
and
on
this
little
map
here,
property
one
is
where
the
the
they
have
a
garage
property.
Two
and
three
would
have
half
of
that
alley.
So
what
the
applicant
did
was.
H
They
talked
to
their
neighbors
and
got
a
deed
for
that
half
of
the
alley.
So
once
the
alley
is
vacated,
then
that
the
the
the
property
owners
who
would
have
gotten
that
half
of
the
alley
would
will
give
they
have
already
deeded
that
that
interest
and
as
we
were
doing
this
alley,
we
noticed
that
the
southern
half
of
the
the
alley
was
similar
situation.
So
we
contacted
that
property
owner
and
also
got
that
property
owner
to
join
this
application.
H
H
J
You
probably
know
how
I
feel
about
this,
which
is
really
that
we
haven't
had
a
policy
discussion
about
alleyways
and
even
when
I
was
the
chair,
we
didn't
have
a
policy
discussion
about
alleyways
and
even
since
Luke
Garrett
was
on
the
council,
we
haven't
had
a
policy
discussion
about
alleyways
and
so
I'll
just
raise
again
that
somebody
should
help
us
to
have
a
policy
discussion
on
alleyways
I'm.
Sorry
that
I
didn't
as
your
chair
last
year.
That's
okay!
We.
J
J
A
A
You
know
I'm
not
aware
of
any
new
funding
tools
that
could
take
on
additional
infrastructure
that
we
would
also
have
to
you
know,
base
as
part
of
that
discussion.
So
what
I
ask
staff
to
do
is
when
we
have
these
applications
that
are
coming
forward,
that
wouldn't
have
the
impact
on
a
broader
system-wide
type
of
an
alley.
You
know
protection
discussion
or
any
policy
that
we
choose
to
have
later.
Something
like
this
I
mean
we're
not
going
to
forcibly
remove
a
garage
in
order
to
do
this.
A
So
if
there
you
know-
and
there
are
applications-
you
know
that
are
more
self-explanatory,
say
than
then
some
of
the
others,
and
so
those
are
the
ones
that
I've
asked
staff
to
forward
for
our
action
as
a
council,
you
know
if
we
choose.
If
we
don't
want
to
support
them,
we
don't
need
to
support
them.
But
if
you
know,
if
there's
something
like
this,
the
property
owners
have
requested
that
they've
gone
through
the
process
that
realistically
wouldn't
have
impact
on
a
broader
issue.
Those
are
the
ones
that
I
think
we
can
make
decisions
on.
Thank.
J
On
it
and
I
I
think
that
what
I
would
be
curious
for
us
to
do
when,
when
it's
possible,
is
to
create
some
clear
evaluation
process,
so
that
not
only
can
our
staff
know,
but
our
applicants
can
know
and
that
perhaps
there's
ways
when
we
get
to
parks
and
trails
and
connectivity
that
that
might
be
a
way
for
us
to
bring
Ally
considerations
into
policy
discussions,
because
there
are
some
that
are
not
necessarily
going
anywhere
and
then
there's
others
that
could
help
us.
In
that
transportation.
Conversation.
C
A
C
Was
just
gonna
echo
what
you
said
in
regards
to
there's
a
garage
here?
This
has
never
been
used
as
an
ally
really
and
I.
Don't
ever
see
it
being
used
as
an
ally,
so
I
don't
have
any
issue
with
that,
and
but
I
do
want
to
go
back
to
councilmember
Mendenhall
and
say
that
we
haven't
had
a
discussion
yet
and
there
might
be
opportunities
for
that.
But
this
one
does
not
seem
like
one
of
those
that
we
would
be
able
to
utilize.
K
I
think
just
keep
talking
if
we
keep
talking
to
the
Planning
Division
and
see
where
they
think
we
can
tweak
things
around
to
make
it
easier
for
staff
to
deal
with
these
things
that
might
be
within
okay.
You
know
to
to
move
forward,
but
I
think
they
will
have
a
really
good
idea
with
that.
You
know
with
the
years
of
how
many
we've
had
of
this
ones.
How
many
you
know
we've
spent
quite
time
when
maybe
we
shouldn't
have
so,
let's
keep
talking
to
the
Planning
Division.
A
Councilmember
Mendenhall,
if
so,
Katia
and
Molly
I
know
that
you've
you've
heard
you
know
some
of
this
discussion.
You
followed
our
previous
discussions
about
this
as
well.
Is
that
something
that
the
staff
could
look
at
creating
some
sort
of
a
guide
guidelines
similar
to
what
council
member
Mendenhall
was
talking
about
that
you
then
could
come
back
to
us.
A
Just
saying
you
know
here
are
some
of
the
things
that
we
can
look
at
if
there
are
allocation
applications
so
that
until
we
actually
have
that
discussion
until
we
figure
out
what
the
funding
is
going
to
be
and
and
how
we
can
move
forward
with
it,
at
least
you
know
we're
not
doing
something
that
is
going
to
have.
You
know
a
massive
negative
impact
on
a
future
decision
that
we
choose
to
make.
So
if
that's
something
that
you
guys
can
play
around
with
I,
think
that
would
be
helpful.
We.
I
I
A
I
would
and
I
wouldn't
say,
and
please
don't
you
know
imply
that
you
know
anything
that
I
was
saying
was
negative
towards
what
you
have
done.
I
know,
you
know
you're
you're
following
you
know
what
our
policy
is
and
I
think
what
we're
asking
is
that,
in
addition
to
what
you're
doing,
if
you
know,
if
there
are
things
that
are
fairly
clear-cut
like
this,
that
would
be
you
know
good
to
know.
If
there's
something
that
you
know
vacating,
would
you
know
completely,
you
know
close
off
or
freeze
up
what
is
a
currently
functioning
Ally?
A
That's
what
I
think
we
as
a
council
need
to
need
to
know
before
we
we
would
make
a
decision
on
it.
So
it's
just
it's
those
kinds
of
things
that
you
know
would
just
be
done
in
addition
to
the
good
work
that
you're
already
doing.
It's
that
word,
councilmember,
okay,
councilmember
Wharton,
any
discussion
of
this
okay,
you
didn't
have
your
light
on
I.
Just
you
looked
like
you
had
something
very
good
to
say:
okay,
all
right!
Well,
thank
you
all
very
much.
If
no
one
else
has
anything
else
to
add.
Thank
you
for
your
work.
A
A
L
So
the
sitting
Council
members
have
not
all
been
in
the
loop,
and
so
that's
why
we're
bringing
this
to
you
at
this
time.
The
council
receives
information
from
a
very
wide
array
of
resources.
We
have
the
transmittals
that
come
from
the
administration
with
recommendations.
We
have
the
mayor's
recommended
budget,
that's
set
out
by
state
statute
in
terms
of
deadlines.
We
occasionally
have
legal
opinions,
some
are
to
both
branches.
Some
are
just
requested
by
the
council
who
have
annual
reports
from
some
departments.
L
Legislative
intent,
reports,
answers
to
questions
from
the
administration
about
agenda
items,
and
then
we
have
some
things
that
are
required
by
ordinance
like
reports
on
the
bid,
ordinance
requirements
periodically
from
the
administration
and
an
annual
report
on
the
implementation
of
the
council's
sexual
assault,
processing
kit,
processing
ordinance.
So
so
all
kinds
of
information
the
previous
administration
had
asked
us.
Have
you
ever
thought
of
making
a
giant
list
of
all
these
things
that
are
reoccurring?
L
The
annual
requests
and
we've
been
thinking
a
lot
about
that
over
time
and
when
the
new
administration
this
administration
came
in,
they
said
well,
you
know,
as
we
would
ask
questions,
they
would
say.
Well,
there's
any
written
down
anywhere,
so
Neil
Lindbergh,
who
was
our
legal
counsel
for
the
City
Council.
L
But
we've
kept
an
inventory
in
our
in
our
legal
in
our
computers
of
what
are
the
things
that
we're
requesting
annually,
and
what
of
that
is
nice
to
know,
and
what
of
it
is
essential
for
the
council
to
do
their
jobs
and
what
of
it,
which
pieces
of
it
might
be
relevant
one
year,
but
not
another
year,
and
then
also
we've
looked
at.
What
are
there
things
that
you're
receiving?
That
could
be
more
valuable
if
you
had
them
in
a
slightly
different
format.
L
For
example,
if
you're
getting
two
reports
on
the
same
thing
from
different
departments,
if
we
could
ask
the
administration
to
consolidate
those,
does
it
add
value
for
the
public
or
for
the
council?
So
that's
what
we
have
been
doing
and-
and
we
didn't
just
keep
all
that
information
in
a
pile.
What
we've
done
is
we
might
have
for
a
while
pretty
quickly
turned
it
into
internal
checklists
for
our
staff.
L
Looking
for
opportunities
to
reduce
duplication,
make
it
easier
for
the
administration
to
provide
the
information
and
for
the
council
to
use
the
information
and
the
public
to
access
it,
consistency,
role,
clarity.
There
may
be
some
things
that
we're
asking
for
that
are
not
really
it
isn't
clear-cut,
whether
it's
in
the
council
scope
or
not,
and
so
be
good
to
get
that
instead
of
addressed
annually.
Get
that
clarified
once
and
for
all.
We've
tried
to
look
for
system
improvement
within
our
own
system
and.
L
L
A
I
just
want
to
add
a
little
something
to
that
about
the
timing,
while
I
think
this
is
going
to
be
helpful,
for
you
know
the
council
and
current
administration
I
think
with
the
with
you
know
the
the
new
and
administration
coming
in
it
will
make
much
more
sense
to
have
everything
spelled
out
as
to
what
you
know.
Our
reporting
requirements
are
what
our
intentions
are
as
a
council
just
for
transparency
reasons
alone,
but
it's
also
beneficial
for
everything
else
moving
forward.
A
So
that's
why
you
know
I
know
that's
indeed,
you
know,
and
staff
have
been
working
on
this,
but
I
think
the
timing
is,
is
really
good
right
now
to
move
this
forward,
and
so
as
as
Jennifer
and
Nick
are
talking
through
some
of
the
items
that
are
in
there
right
now.
If
you,
as
council
members,
have
other
ideas,
other
things
that
that
you
would
like
to
see
or
that
you
think
should
be
codified
in
the
ordinance.
Let
us
know
let
staff
know
so
that
we
can
begin
working
on
that
as
we
move
this
forward.
M
M
There's
a
process
for
sort
of
handling
that,
just
from
the
point
Cindy
made
of
systems
improvement.
That's
not
written
anywhere
right
now,
and
so
it's
one
of
those
things.
That
seems
obvious.
But
maybe
would
be
helped
to
be
in
code,
then
this
section
goes
through
the
different
sort
of
policy
sections
that
staff
has
sort
of
observed,
and
this
is
just
steps,
staffs
observation
of
how
to
organize
this.
You
could
certainly
organize
it
a
different
way.
M
The
first
is
communication
from
city
boards.
We
frequently
hear
from
the
council
that
they
want
to
hear
more
regularly
from
boards.
There
are
certain
boards
that
are
actually
required
to
report
to
the
council
on
an
annual
or
a
semi-annual
basis,
but
because
it's
kind
of
scattered
all
throughout
the
code.
No
one
remembers
that
until
someone
asks
hey
weren't
we
supposed
to
hear
about
that,
and
so
the
idea
would
be
to
kind
of
consolidated
all
in
one
place,
so
that
we
could
do
a
more
regular
kind
of
check
in
on
that.
M
M
The
next
is
Community
Development
reports.
This
is
this
is
actually
I
think,
maybe
even
Cindy
can
remember,
I
think
the
Nugget
of
where
this
reporting
ordinance
came
from,
because
we
wanted
to
codify
an
understanding
that
worked
very
well
between
the
administration
and
the
counsel
of
the
process
of
a
master
plan,
because
if
you
involve
the
council
at
the
very
end
of
a
master
plan,
it
might
be
too
late
for
the
council
to
give
sort
of
the
necessary
input,
and
then
it
upsets
the
whole
process
and
then
the
community.
M
You
know
has
this
expectation
that
doesn't
get
delivered,
and
so
this
sort
of
codifies
the
expectation
that
the
sort
of
regular
check
in
concept
and
we've
been
we've
been
adhering
to
that
practice,
just
sort
of
in
the
good
working
relationship
that
we
have
with
the
administration.
But
this
would
put
it
in
ordinance
so
that
in
future
administration's
came
or
future
councils
came
and
wanted
to
do
it
differently
than
we
would
have
to
sort
of
intentionally
change
the
way
that
was
done.
So
that's
that's
one
of
the
things:
the
community
development
reports,
enforcement
and
litigation.
L
Just
to
add
something
on
that,
the
this
little
system
that
was
set
up
on
master
plans
was
set
up
after
the
city.
The
council
and
administration
collaborated
together
on
an
audit
of
the
planning
division
and
what
that
audit
found
was
several
things
where,
where
it
was
very
awkward
for
the
planning
staff
to
do
their
job.
If
council
members
felt
some
of
them
felt
like
it
was
too
difficult
to
wait
until
the
end
and
then
have
have
it
be,
as
Jennifer
said
too
late.
L
So
sometimes,
council
members
would
show
up
at
the
workshops
the
community
workshops
and
give
input
as
as
a
regular
citizen,
but
it
changed
the
dynamic
in
the
community.
It
changed
the
tone
in
the
room
it
made
the
facilitators
of
the
workshops,
a
little
bit
frustrated,
and/or,
intimidated,
and
so
that
that's
in
lieu
of
council
members
feeling
like
gee
I
have
to
get
my
input
heard.
L
Somehow,
and
my
input
came
from
a
lot
of
constituents,
how
do
I
insert
that
this
was
the
pathway
to
get
that
inserted
without
creating
a
difficult
situation,
so
it
as
a
benefit
for
both
the
administration
and
the
council.
It
has
worked
pretty
well
for
quite
a
while,
and
so
that
would
be
something
we'd
wanted
to
try
to
document
so
that
consciously
you
could
choose
to
change
that
if
it
stopped
working
and
then
other
there
are
other
big
projects
that
administration's
work
on
that.
It
seems
like
we
keep
thinking.
L
Oh
well,
they'll
be
in
to
get
that
early
input,
and
then
we
realized.
Oh,
it's
not
a
master
plan.
No,
they
won't
and
so
we're
going
to
need
your
feedback
on.
You
know
when
it
makes
sense
to
apply
it
and
and
when
it
doesn't,
and
it's
really
a
courtesy
agreement
between
branches
in
order
to
make
make
that
work.
But
if
you
can
just
document
what
it
is,
we
might
be
better
off
to
preserve
a
pretty
good
thing
and.
M
And
to
Cindy's
point
I
think
the
detailed
language
will
probably
matter,
and
so
that
would
be
we
would
work.
You
know
once
we
got
to
access
that
section
with
the
administration
to
make
sure
that
you
know
all
parties
were
comfortable
with
what
we're
what
the
language
says.
So
then
the
next
section
is
enforcement
and
litigation
reports.
You
could
argue
that
maybe
these
could
be
two
separate
categories.
Enforcement
relates
more
to
like
some
of
the
9-1-1
data.
M
The
crime
data
that
the
administration
currently
provides
just
willingly
but
again
in
the
concept
of
like
the
consolidated
fee
schedule,
keeps
everything
in
one
place
a
little
organized.
This
is
kind
of
that
everything
in
one
place
and
organized
things
so
that
when
the
budget
comes
around
and
we
want
to
know
the
justification
for
needing
more
officers,
for
example,
we
have
that
data
readily
and
we
don't
have
to
initiate
a
request
to
the
administration
to
get
the
data,
and
then
it
causes
a
whole
scramble,
and
that
kind
of
thing.
Mr.
E
Chair
may
I
ask
a
question:
this
isn't
just
on
the
enforcement
litigation
reports,
but
it
just
popped
into
my
head.
Would
the
language
of
the
ordinance
have
dates,
or
at
least
like
you
know,
at
the
end
of
the
year
or
biannually,
and
maybe
you
will
be
getting
to
this
and
I
jumped
ahead,
but
so
that
we
would
know
when
to
expect
that
or
a
council
member
would
know
when
to
expect
that
I.
M
That's
key:
we
haven't
figured
that
out
yet,
and
it
probably
is
different
depending
on
the
report
you're
talking
about.
Maybe
some
things
don't
make
sense
to
hear
about
more
than
once
a
year
and
maybe
other
things,
it's
easier
to
pull
the
data
quickly
like
crime
data
or
something,
and
so
we
probably
would
break
it
out
by
section
with
the
administration
to
see
when
it
made
sense.
E
L
Sometimes
we
realize
that
we're
wrong
about
timing,
because
we
were
for
several
years
getting
the
reporting
or
excuse
me
the
reports
about
legislative
intent,
statements
at
a
time
that
was
not
convenient
for
the
administration
and
it
didn't.
It
wasn't
useful
for
the
City
Council
and
and
someone
in
the
administration
suggested
that
we
adjusted
the
timelines,
and
we
came
back
asked
the
council.
L
F
Question
mr.
chair
I
love
the
concept
on
board
you're
talking
about
frequency.
It
sounds
like
at
this
point
and
regular
schedules
about
how
and
when
certain
things
are
transmitted.
When
you
say
all
in
one
place
are.
We
also
are
also
talking
about
storage
of
materials
within
Council
office
or
within
the
city,
someplace
else
and
access
long
term
to
say
our
golf
library
concept,
yeah
I,
think.
M
Think,
that's
a
great
I
think
that's
a
great
continuation
of
it.
Obviously
we
want
to
actually
it
gets
to
the
next
section
on
litigation
reports,
which
is
that
there
are
certain
things
that
probably
do
need
to
remain
confidential
and
the
council
is
entitled
to
the
same
confidential
information
as
the
administration.
It's
just
that
it
has
to
keep
it
confidential,
and
so
we
would
need
to
work
with
the
administration,
obviously
on
which
things
are
public
and
which
things
aren't
but
yeah.
Okay,.
F
M
Haven't
gotten
quite
there
yet
there's
some
aspects
of
it
that
talk
about
templates
and
I.
Think
that's
what
Cindy
got
to
in
terms
of
that
a
report
that
addresses
one
department
one
way,
that's
different
from
a
report
that
addresses
another
department
another
way
but
they're
related.
It
would
help
the
council
to
know
how
those
reports
are
related
rather
than
the
iterative
process
of
10,000
emails
between
council
staff
and
the
administration
of
figuring
out
how
they're
related
so
I
think
there's
room
for
it
there
in
the
next
agenda.
M
L
L
Cdbg
the
administration
for
many
years,
has
been
a
report
that
is
really
helpful,
and
so
we
ask
for
that.
Each
year
it
includes
the
CDBG
board,
recommendations,
the
mayor's
recommendations
and
all
in
one
place,
and
and
as
you
have
those
things
that
you
identify
as
really
helpful,
they'd
want
to
compliment
the
administration
and
ask
them
to
make
that
their
format.
Okay,.
F
E
M
In
the
end,
I
think
the
goal
is
to
have
it
be
helpful
for
both
branches,
because
then
there's
not
this
sort
of
again
torturous
process
of
one
person
mean
when
they
say
they
need
more
information.
And
so
hopefully
we
can
like
establish
upfront
in
this
language.
What
we
mean
and
then
that
way,
it
increases
predictability
for
everyone
and
and
I
think
the
workload
thing
is
a
huge
part.
I
mean
I.
M
Legislative
reports
relates
to
legislative
intent
and
again,
I
think
this
is
where
we
would
probably
codify
our
just
current
practice,
which
actually
seems
to
be
working
better
in
the
recent
year
or
two
than
it
had
in
previous
years,
based
on
the
administration
suggestions,
public
property
reports.
This
is
one
of
those
ideas
that
we
realized.
M
Time
is
a
big
data
point
that
Council
considers
during
budget
discussions,
so
wanting
to
know
call
turnaround
time
so
that
the
council
has
that
context
when
you're
considering
staffing
levels
and
budget
same
thing
with
fire
response
time,
police
response
time,
all
that
all
that
good
stuff.
So
that's
that's
it.
F
We
could
probably
get
bogged
down
pretty
quickly
if
we
went
through
item
by
item
or
area
by
area,
even
I.
Think,
from
my
perspective,
I'm
more
interested
in
making
sure
that
different
reports
that
relate
to
each
other
are
set
up
in
a
good
way
systematically
the
report
at
the
same
time
or
in
the
right
order,
and
also
getting
recommendations
from
staff
about
what
makes
sense
for
workflow
for
the
year
from
sort
of
macro
a
larger
level.
We
can
get
probably
into
each
of
those
individually
as
they
come
up,
perhaps
to
bite
them
off.
But
I.
F
Think
one
of
the
intent
is
to
make
sure
that
it's
a
city
we
get
things
in
the
right
order
in
the
right
time,
sort
of
that's
workable
I
do
get
a
certain
concerned
about
workload
for
departments
and
for
us
and
the
administration.
As
we
get
larger
more
complex
and
the
more
we
can
do
to
make
sure
that
it's
systematic
and
scheduled
in
a
more
coherent
way.
Then
after
that,
I'd
be
more
interested
in
getting
the
nitty-gritty
of
the
details
of
templates
and
exact
parts
of
it,
and
all
that.
J
Thank
You
mr.
vice
chair
I,
when
I
look
through
this,
there
is
so
much,
but
I
can
almost
tie
specific
moments
or
questions
that
we've
had
as
a
City
Council
office
over
years
to
why
we
need
this
kind
of
clarity
and
depth.
I.
Think
that
any
like,
even
the
administration
who
are
with
now,
this
would
have
been
really
helpful.
All
future
administration's
this
will
be
really
helpful.
Internal
issues
that
come
up.
This
is
really
helpful
because
and
I
think
traditionally.
J
A
lot
of
these
questions
that
have
come
up
have
come
before
a
council
during
an
announcement
section,
and
we
talked
for
a
minute
about
what
we
want
to
do
with
it,
and
that
that
is
an
iterative
process.
Of
course.
So
I
am
really
grateful
for
the
clarity
that
this
gives
the
public
us
as
a
body
in
City
Hall
as
a
functioning
entity.
J
Great
work
and
I
want
to
mention
that
this
feels
like
an
addition
to
the
to
a
lot
of
I.
Don't
I,
don't
want
to
say
cleanup
work,
but
there
was
there's
been
a
refinement
process
happening
in
this
office
with
the
staff
and
the
needs
of
this
office.
To
be
able
to
run
smoothly
that
this
body
enabled
our
staff
to
take
care
of
last
year
and
this
I'm
glad
to
see
that
it's
the
work
is
still
happening
and
you're
the
ship
that
runs
smoothly
is
going
to
run
even
more
smoothly.
Yeah.
C
A
council
member
minute
hall,
I
I
kind
of
feel
like
we
have
I
thought
we
had
already
approved
this,
that
we'd
moved
on,
and
it's
good
to
see
that
we
are.
You
I,
feel
like
fine-tuning
it
even
more
because
it's
unfair
for
for
future
staff
from
the
City
Council
and
future
administration's
not
to
understand
the
difference
between
the
two.
So
for
me,
clarifying
these
roles
is
a
huge
advantage
for
everyone
in
Salt,
Lake
City.
So,
yes,.
L
One
more
thing:
we're
hopeful
that
this
doesn't
create
any
more
work
for
the
administration,
that
it
actually
reduces
the
burden
somewhat
and
I'll
give
you
an
example
with
budget.
Some
of
the
things
that
we
asked
for
every
year
is
the
positions
that
have
been
upgraded.
The
dollar
amount
of
those
upgrades
when,
when
someone's
moving
from
one
category
to
another,
so
that
the
council
can
see
is,
is
their
built-in
expense
that's
outside
of
the
norm,
that
type
of
thing
and
then
for
each
department.
L
We
always
ask
what
services
won't
be
provided
in
the
next
year
that
are
being
provided
now.
Are
there
new
services
that
will
be
provided
with
the
positions
that
the
City
Council
funded
in
the
past
year?
Will
they
still
exist
and
will
they
be
doing
the
things
that
the
council
members
voted
for
them
to
do?
Are
they
going
to
perform
the
same
purpose?
What
happens
right
now
is
that
we
get
the
mayor's
budget
and
then
all
of
our
analysts
start
looking
at
each
department
and
then
they
send
these
questions
out
to
the
department.
L
And
then
the
department
answers
these
questions
and
we
see
see
the
department
and
everybody
in
the
mayor's
office
and
a
department
head
could
in
the
future
say:
okay,
I
know
they're
gonna.
Ask
me
these
five
things:
I'm
going
to
put
them
in
my
department's
budget
highlights
so
I
don't
have
to
talk
to
those
people
as
I,
and
so
we're
hopeful
that
it
could
save
some
time.
K
For
having
a
more
effective
system
makes,
you
know,
makes
all
our
jobs
easier
and,
and
it's
nice
to
have
those
expectations
from
both
sides
of
this
building,
so
that
things
are
as
Luther.
Things
are
more
effective
and
we
have
maybe
we're
a
little
bit
more
expedient
as
well
as
we
fine-tune
all
the
things
that
you're
doing,
but
you
guys
are
doing
tremendous
work.
So
thank
you.
K
Previously
being
staff
person,
you
know,
I
knew
how
you
know
how
to
write
a
staff
report
and
how
to
have
all
presented
to
you.
I
didn't
realize
the
amount
of
work
that
all
of
your
staff
does
and
how
thorough
and
how
organized
already
you
are.
So
thank
you
so
much
and
again,
I'm
for
having
more
effective
system
and
fine-tune
things
things
change
and
we
can
all
improve
so
good
job.
I
I
I
They
have
both
been
voted
on
in
a
straw
poll,
and
this
is
just
our
mention
to
see
if
you
are,
if
you
are
comfortable
moving
forward
with
a
resolution
to
adopt
those
changes
formally
in
a
policy
manual
change.
So
that's
those
two
and
then
we
have
the
c6
policy,
which
is
about
open
government
and
transparency,
and
that
is
that
has
been
changed
quite
a
bit
because
of
the
efforts
that
the
council
office
has
made
towards
transparency
and
consistency.
J
I
J
L
L
This
is
just
not
ready
and
we
can't
have
it
on
the
agenda
and
we
took
that
out
and
want
to
ask
to
discuss
that
with
you
another
time,
because
it
felt
way
too
heavy-handed
and
probably
unnecessary
for
the
staff
director
to
be
able
to
wield
that
much
power.
So
we
we
asked
the
chair
and
vice-chair
let's
take
that
out
and
then
and
come
back
later
with
that,
it's
probably
unnecessary.
So.
J
L
One
of
the
other
things
we
tried
to
do
in
this
is
to
try
to
explain
that
of
why
why
why
these
things
exist
a
little
more
than
just.
This
is
how
it
is
when
we
get
information
that
is,
that
comes
in
pieces,
it
causes
the
staff
to
have
to
restart
the
process
or,
if
we
put
it
out
to
the
council
in
a
public
document,
and
then
it
gets
changed
by
the
administration.
Then
we're
mixing
the
public
record
up
by
not
being
clear
about
which
is
the
most
current
information.
I
Do
you
think
we
would
just
ask,
do
you
want?
Are
you
comfortable
formalizing
the
housekeeping
items
in
resolution
process
that
we've
deemed
for
that
before
the
policy
manual
and
for
c6,
which
is
about
open
government
just
getting
information
from
the
council
on
whether
or
not
you'd,
like
that
in
an
ordinance
format
or
in
resolution
with
the
other
policy
manual
processes.
A
F
L
There's
almost
all
of
it
is
are
all
of
the
things
are
items
that
we,
with
the
exception
of
the
the
agenda
process,
where
we
made
those
changes,
things
that
we
have
brought
to
you
before
and
said
you
know,
should
we
follow
the
congressional
guidelines
and
there's
the
60
or
90
days,
ten
weeks
or
whatever,
and
that's
a
change
from
the
federal
stuff.
So
so
it's
already
and
it's
what
you've
talked
about
before.
So
we
were
thinking
we
could
get,
though
at
least
those
three
done
by
resolution
yep
and
have
it
ready
next
yeah.
A
Anything
that
can't
be
done
in
time
to
actually
have
a
concrete
ordinance
done.
We
can
do
in
resolution
and
then
go
with
the
intent
of
going
back
and
fixing
it
even
with
the
election.
Related
information
I.
Think
it's
important
to
clarify,
though,
that
we're
not
talking
about
any.
You
know
change
in
electoral
process
or
anything
else
that
would
impact
campaigns
or
candidates.
This
is
mostly,
you
know,
a
document
that
would
guide
those
of
us
using
counsel
resource.
A
L
L
A
A
L
A
A
A
So
yeah
our
snowpack
people
here
is
why
I
don't
see
lhara,
let's,
let's
go
ahead
and
take
a
break,
hey
you're,
so
welcome.
But
let's
do
it
for
do.
We
have
to
take
a
20-minute
break
or
do
you
think
they'll
be
back
sooner?
Can
we
make
sure
the
lares
could
get
here
sooner
all
the
Lincoln
towers.
People
are
here,
okay,
all
right!
Do
you
want
to
do
you
want
to
have
a
break
or
not,
I
had
so
music
to
my
ears,
music
to
my
ears,
okay,
so
no
break
so
the
net.
A
A
I
Apologize
for
being
a
little
slow,
just
as
a
general
introduction,
I
know
hand
has,
has
prepared
a
presentation
to
help
remind
you
of
the
details
and
also
go
through
the
changes
that
this
Lincoln
tower
item
has
had
in
what
has
it
been?
Maybe
eight
weeks,
six
weeks
since
we've
since
we
last
spoke
about
it,
I
have
some
policy
questions
from
the
staff
report,
some
of
which
are
related
directly
to
Lincoln
Tower,
others
that
are
more
related
to
general
housing
policy.
I
M
N
Just
want
to
say
thank
you
to
council
staff
and
council
members
for
being
willing
to
accommodate
our
time
switch
and
the
last
minute
update
with
the
information
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
could
provide
you
the
most
accurate
information
possible.
So
just
as
a
reminder,
Lincoln
towers
is
a
95
unit
project
of
senior
housing.
It's
in
district,
seven
in
the
sugarhouse
central
business
district.
It
serves
individuals
at
or
below
60%
area
median
income.
Most
of
the
residents
are
much
closer
to
30%
area
median
income.
N
N
So
we
wanted
to
highlight
that
this
project
aligns
with
some
of
the
specific
policies
that
City
Council
has
stated
and
as
well
as
growing
Salt
Lake
City.
So
this
project
would
secure
and
preserve
long
term
affordability,
incentivize,
affordable
housing
within
areas
of
high
opportunity,
incentivize
preservation
and
improvement
of
existing
affordable
housing
and
keep
a
publicly
funded
housing
project
affordable
for
as
long
as
possible.
So.
N
We
gave
you
a
timeline
just
so
that
you
would
have
an
update,
I
know
with
some
other
things.
We've
had
requested
a
timeline,
so
I
wanted
to
provide
you
guys
with
some
context
on
where
this
application
originally
started.
I
won't
go
through
all
of
them,
but
it
was
submitted
back
in
December.
There
have
since
been
some
changes.
The
board
has
reviewed
this
project
twice:
the
housing
trust
fund,
Advisory
Board,
and
then
we
on
April
2nd.
N
So
the
key
changes
that
I
wanted
to
highlight
I
don't
want
to
go
line
by
line
through
that,
because
that
would
not
be
very
interesting,
but
interest
rates
on
their
primary
financing
have
dropped
from
four
point:
nine
percent
to
four
point:
two:
five
percent:
this
has
allowed
them
to
take
on
a
larger
primary
loan
and
they
no
longer
need
Olli
and
Walker
housing
loan
funds.
Because
of
this,
this
is
a
this
allows
us
to
proceed
with
the
project
as
originally
scheduled,
which
would
start
in
June
July
ish.
N
If
we
have
to
wait
for
the
project
to
go
back
to
the
Olli
and
walker
housing
loan
board
and
most
likely
would
not
be
approved
until
the
September
application
cycle.
Another
change
that's
happened
is
that
Salt
Lake
County
has
recommended
funding
for
this
project.
Nine
hundred
thousand
dollars
as
a
surplus
cash
flow
loan
at
1%
interest.
This
is
not
a
deferred
loan,
it
would
be
subordinate
to
our
debt
and
the
primary
debt
and
the
county
has
not
officially
recommended
it,
but
and
talked
because
their
official
recommendations
can't
come
out
until
they
do
their
public
hearing.
N
We
had
a
Housing
Trust
Fund
Advisory
Board
meeting
scheduled
for
April
third,
and
so
we
walked
through
the
project
changes
with
the
board
just
to
make
that
they
were
so
comfortable
moving
forward,
and
we
got
a
unanimous
response
at
the
board
felt
like
the
changes
were
still
similar.
The
project
was
still
close
enough
to
how
it
had
originally
been
structured
that
they
wanted
to
keep
moving
forward
with
it.
N
So
I
provided
a
chart
just
so
that
you
can
see
what
the
change
is
in.
The
financing
have
been
total
project
cost
of
increased
by
approximately
2
million.
The
majority
of
this
is
in
hard
construction
costs.
A
little
bit
is
in
financing
and
just
kind
of
percentages
based
on
financing
costs.
The
main
changes
in
here
are
that
there's
no
longer
any
olie
and
walker
housing
loan
funded
that
the
private
mortgage
has
increased
significantly.
N
So
normally,
when
we
do
a
Housing,
Trust
Fund
loan
staff
doesn't
underwriting
evaluation
and
determines
what
what
interest
rate
kind
of
what
loan
terms
we
feel
like
best
fits
the
project.
After
this
financing
changes,
we
underwrote
on
April
third
and
determined
that
a
2%
interest
rate
might
support
the
project
more
sufficiently
than
a
3%
interest
rate.
The
debt
service
coverage
ratio
on
this
project
as
we've
underwritten
it,
which
is
we
always
underwrite
at
a
5%
vacancy
rate,
usually
market
rate
projects
or
7%,
affordable
housing
is
five.
N
So
the
debt
service
coverage
ratio
on
this
is
pretty
low.
With
our
underwriting,
we
don't
feel
like
it
provides
enough
flexibility
that
if
any
unanticipated
costs
or
emergencies
came
up,
the
developer
would
have
the
cash
flow
to
support
that
in
looking
at
it.
The
developer
does
have
enough
cash
flow
to
support
our
loans,
their
private
debt
and
the
in
the
Salt
Lake
County
home
funding
that
would
come
after,
but
staff
recommends
that
we
do
a
little
bit
lower
of
an
interest
rate
and
obviously
you
guys
have
the
option
to
change
any
of
the
terms.
J
Well,
to
back
to
the
key
project
changes
its.
It
feels
really
weird
to
have
a
project
come
before
us.
That's
doing
better.
We've
had
so
many
come
back
and
say
we
didn't
anticipate.
We
didn't
anticipate
and
that's
I
mean
there's
a
marketplace
that
these
exist
in,
but
these
are.
There
are
some
wonderful
leg,
ups
that
the
project
has
seen
so
help
me
understand
in
the
with
the
jumping
to
the
administrative
analysis,
piece
that.
J
N
We
usually
recommend
that
a
project
has
a
debt
coverage
ratio
of
1.1
percent.
That's
pretty
standard
across
the
affordable
housing
markets
like
Oh,
lien
Walker,
and
some
of
the
other
funders
usually
require
that
minimum.
That
gives
the
project
enough
space
where,
if
they
have
to
get
additional
financing
at
some
later
point
or
if
other
things
come
up,
that
they
didn't
anticipate
they're
able
to
cover
it
through
their
cash
flow.
N
Usually
when
we
are
underwriting
a
project,
we
want
to
at
least
a
minimum
of
1.05
if
we
were
to
underwrite
this
the
same
way
that
their
primary
lender,
Fannie
Mae,
does
at
a
3%
vacancy
rate.
We
would
be
at
that
1.05,
but
as
we
want
to
be
more
conservative
with
our
estimates,
we
usually
keep
it
a
little
bit
closer
at
a
higher
vacancy
rate.
So,
if
we're
able
to
lower
the
interest
rate,
it
allows
the
project
to
have
more
cash
flow
to
address
those
issues
as
they
come
through.
N
C
N
Yeah
so
right
now
the
project
has
a
HAP
contract,
which
is
housing,
assistance
payments
with
a
regional
HUD
office.
That's
set
to
expire
in
a
few
years,
so
what
they
would
be
doing
by
utilizing.
This
funding
is
restricting
the
affordable
housing
component
for
an
additional
fifty
five
years.
Additional.
A
F
N
Not
that
I
can
think
of
off
the
top
of
my
head.
What
we're
working
through
right
now
we're
working
through
with
the
Housing
Trust
Fund
Advisory
Board,
talking
about
kind
of
how
they
want
to
standardize
their
loan
terms
and
talking
about
when
they
feel
like
adjusting
the
interest
rate
would
be
appropriate.
So
that's
an
ongoing
conversation.
I,
don't
know
that
I
have
a
firm
response
right
now.
What.
F
Which
is
great,
yeah
I'm,
just
trying
to
get
a
context
of
here
about
using
this
particular
lever
to
make
this
work
better?
How
often
do
we
use
this?
How
do
we
choose
when
to
use
this?
It
sounds
like
this
is
really
the
way
to
do
it
frankly,
but
making
sure
consistency
across
other
projects
that
come
before
us
and
other
things
that
may
run
into
other
funding
problems
that
we'd
have
a
consistent
sort
of
way
to
understand
it.
That's
my
hope.
F
N
So
we
we
try
to
make.
We
see
how
what
the
debt
coverage
ratio
is
if
it
doesn't
hit
that
minimum
of
1.0
5%,
that's
something
that
we
discuss
with
the
housing
trust
fund
advisory,
but
they
could
also
recommend
a
smaller
loan
amount
or
changing
some
of
their
other
financing,
but
usually
projects
they're
coming
to
us
for
gap
financing
and
so
we're
the
last
money,
and
so
they
may
not
have
that
ability
to
shift
out
their
financing
around
okay.
N
A
O
So
we
want
to
talk
both
about
water
supply
and
our
great
snowpack,
and
also
preparations
for
runoff
Jesse's.
Do
it
our
deputy
director
for
Public
Utilities.
So
we
wanted
to
hit
a
couple
of
key
points
with
you
today,
one.
What
is
the
the
status
of
our
snowpack
and
water
supply
and
then
the
second?
What
about
runoff?
And
what
are
we
doing
to
prepare
for
runoff
of
some
of
this
great
snow?
O
So
we
wanted
to
hit
the
runoff
piece.
First,
we
have
recently
just
worked
with
the
city's
emergency
management
division,
as
well
as
several
city
departments
to
prepare
an
incident
action
plan
out
of
a
abundance
of
caution.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
all
participating
city
and
outside
agencies
are
prepared
to
address
runoff.
This
may
and
any
potential
we
don't
think,
there's
potential
flooding,
but
we
want
to
keep
monitoring
conditions
and
the
conditions,
we're
monitoring
our
weather
temperature,
snowpack
and
runoff
projections.
O
I
wanted
to
also
say
that
we're
working
closely
with
Salt
Lake
County
Flood
Control
on
this.
They
have
jurisdiction
over
many
of
the
streams
in
our
city
and
so
we're
working
with
them
to
make
sure
grates
are
cleaned
and
that
we
have
good
lines
of
communication,
so
we're
very
prepared
for
runoff
season
we're
also
working
in
terms
of
preparation
with
respect
to
reservoir
management.
O
We
also
work
closely
on
managing
flows
in
the
Jordan
River
and,
as
I
mentioned
before,
we
have
an
incident
action
plan
prepared
to
make
sure
all
of
our
city
departments
are
prepared
and
coordination.
We've
also
activated
our
joint
information
system,
which
allows
us
to
coordinate
internally
and
externally
with
communications
with
our
citizens.
O
In
terms
of
operations,
we've
accounted
for
various
sandbags
at
various
locations.
In
case
we
need
them.
We
hope
we
don't,
but
we
want
to
make
sure
we
have
them.
Our
crews
are
out
monitoring
and
cleaning
the
system,
so,
in
addition
to
cleaning
just
normal
debris
from
grates
and
stream,
inlets
we're
also
helping
the
city's
overall
effort
in
debris,
removal
from
the
storm
on
March
28th.
There
are
a
number
of
branches
and
tree
limbs
that
came
down
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
they
don't
make
it
into
our
drainage
system.
O
J
J
The
preparedness
side
of
it
do
you
have
any
suggestions,
and
maybe
this
is
something
you
follow
up
with,
because
I'm
putting
you
on
the
spot
for
four
ways:
we
can
encourage
our
residents
to
be
prepared
in
their
own
homes
and
the
you
know
the
the
big
storm
that
happened,
August
of
17
yeah,
my
residents
and
their
homes
across
the
city,
but
there
were
there's
a
lot
of
damage
in
district
5
and
people
didn't
have
flood
insurance.
They
don't
really
they're,
not
in
a
floodplain
and
the
expense
of
caring.
J
O
That's
a
that's
a
great
question,
and
so
in
terms
of
flood
insurance.
That
is
a
really
good
preparedness
tool
and
I
know
that
the
state
actually
has
activated
its
level
three
Emergency
Operations
Center
for
statewide
flood
preparedness
purposes,
and
they
are
really
pushing
flood
insurance
hard
and
and
actually
it
can
be
affordable
and
you
don't
have
to
be
in
a
floodplain
to
have
flood
insurance.
But
there
are
other
things
that
property
owners
can
do
to
make
sure
that
their
properties
are
free
of.
O
You
know
making
sure
that
their
their
roof
drains,
for
instance,
are
draining
to
an
appropriate
part
of
the
property.
During
the
2017
flood
event,
we
did
have
some
roof
drains,
actually
draining
directly
into
basement
window
areas,
and
so
it's
good
to
look
around
your
property
to
make
sure
that
the
drainage
on
your
property
is
is
good.
I'd.
C
Say
the
other
thing
is
make
sure
they
were
cleaned
out.
I
know
during
that
flood.
Some
friends
of
mine
hadn't
clean
their
gutters,
and
so
they
just
over
topped
and
went
right
into
the
window
wells
right
below
them,
so
just
that
little
bit
of
maintenance
on
their
own
drainage
system
coming
out
their
house,
never
never
a
bad.
A
One
other
one
other
bit
of
information,
and
if
you
want
to
talk
about
this
because
it
deals
with
stormwater,
I
know
that
it's
a
different
issue
from
what
you're
talking
about,
but
the
work
that's
taking
place
on
17th
south
right
now,
with
drainage
into
wasatch
hollow,
will
help
alleviate
some
of
those
concerns
as
well
and
in
districts.
Five
and
six
so
yeah.
O
C
E
Thank
you.
Sorry.
This
is
a
follow
up
with
Aaron
I'm
wondering
Laura.
If
maybe
we
could
get
I
don't
know,
maybe
some
just
quick
bullet
points
on
what
exactly
you're
talking
about
and
the
dangers
of
the
runoff
and
things
like
that,
and
maybe
we
could
put
them
in
our
monthly
or
weekly
updates
that
we
email
blast
to
our
residents
and
it's
one
way
to
kind
of
get
out
some
of
this
information
and
maybe
also
with
some
resources,
for
if
something
happens,
who
they
would
be
able
to
contact
in
within
the
city
to
get
some
help.
N
J
That
and
I
love
that
we
could
include
the
city's
preparedness,
action,
steps
and
recommendations
for
residents,
because
people
wanted
to
know
what
do
you?
What
is
the
city
going
to
do
now
that
these,
once
every
eight
hundred
year,
storms
are
more
like
once
every
three
or
four
summers
or
less
so
this.
O
O
We're
not
seeing
the
the
levels
that
we
would
think
would
be
a
risk,
but
again
it
really
matters
in
terms
of
how
fast
snowpack
snowpack
runs
off.
So
one
of
the
things
that
is
concerning
for
us
is
these
late
season,
snowstorms
that
adds
to
snowpack
and
saturation
up
in
the
upper
watersheds,
and
so
that's
and
then
having
that
snowpack
build-up
and
then
having
a
really
hot
spell
in
May.
That
would
bring
it
down
much
more
quickly
than
than
normal.
That's
what
we're
really
watching
for.
O
However,
there
are
parts
of
our
drainage
system
that
we
have
addressed
so
I
mentioned
earlier,
with
respect
to
management
on
the
parlays
system,
because
further
down
in
the
storm
drain
system,
parlays
immigration
and
red
butte
join
near
Liberty,
Park,
managing
runoff
from
parlays
being
able
to
use
that
reservoir
storage
is
really
important
for
us.
In
terms
of
the
overall
big
picture
in
the
city,
we
also
have
some
ability
to
manage
runoff
from
Red
Butte
with
with
Red
Butte
reservoir.
C
One
thing
that
figures
you're
referring
to
were
kind
of
in
the
back
up
at
the
minute
is:
if
we
need
before
to
go
into
that
depth,
but
we
look
at
those.
Probably
every
day
we
were
looking
at
all
the
six
creeks
across
the
Wasatch
Front
for
what
the
snow
water
equivalent
is
looking
at
temperatures
and
trying
to
gauge
things.
C
One
thing:
that's
happened
in
City
Creek,
since
the
84
floods
is,
there's
been
a
lot
of
infrastructure
downstream
to
take
that
capacity,
and
then
immigration
and
Red
Butte
again
Red
Butte
we've
got
the
reservoir,
we
can
manage
and
immigration
will
monitor
as
we
go
forth,
but
we
do
look
at
those
daily.
So.
B
C
Can
actually
divert
most
of
the
canyon
into
little
Dell
reservoir,
the
bigger
of
the
two
reservoirs,
and
we
like
Laura's,
saying
we
can
use
those
to
mitigate
floods
if
other
creeks
are
flooding
down
on
the
Jordan
River,
especially
or
down
at
the
confluence
of
parlays,
Red,
Butte
and
immigration,
we
can
actually
hold
that
water
back.
We
keep
sufficient
stores
that
we
can
stop
by
pass
from
mountain
Dell
reservoir
hold
that
water
until
the
rest
of
the
storm
waters,
recede,
okay,
and
then
we
can
let
that
down.
So
it's
it's
a
daily
management
of
that
reservoir.
O
So
we're
part
of
the
Provo
River
Project
and
Deer
Creek
system,
I
collected
average
water
use
from
each
of
these
sources
over
the
last
30
years
and
on
average,
from
the
four
nearby
streams
it's
about.
55
percent
of
our
water
supply
from
the
Deer
Creek
system.
Provo
system
is
about
35%
of
our
supply
and
then
groundwater
resources
make
up
about
10%.
These
these
allocations
vary
on
a
year-to-year
basis.
O
A
O
F
O
C
O
So
this
year's
water
supply
forecast
the
figure
on
B
that
year.
Let
on
the
left
of
the
screen
that
all
those
red
triangles
were
the
dismal
forecasts
from
last
year,
red
mean
means
that
it
would
be
about
30
to
50
percent
of
average
of
water
available
from
those
sources.
The
figure
on
the
right
looks
much
better
in
mostly
blues
and
greens,
which
means
at
least
a
hundred
percent
of
average
for
all
of
these
watersheds.
So
that
looks
really
good
for
my
water
supply
perspective.
O
O
And
then
we
also
check
reservoir
levels
very
frequently,
and
these
are
all
of
the
Wasatch
Front
reservoirs
and
the
ones
that
are
very
important
to
us
are
Deer
Creek
down
at
the
lower
left.
Utah
Lake
is
also
important.
That's
not
a
culinary
water
supply,
but
we
have
a
number
of
exchange
agreements
and
and
other
parts
of
the
system
that
rely
on
our
use
of
some
utah
lake,
water
and
jordan.
L
is
also
important
part
of
the
the
system
our
parlays
water
reservoirs
aren't
shown
on
this.
O
C
B
C
O
O
We
look
at
these
forecasts
to
see
what
the
potential
will
be
for
runoff.
It's
typically
compared
to
the
high
runoff
year
for
Big
Cottonwood,
that
was
2011
and
the
low
year,
and
that
would
be
1934
when
the
stream
actually
dried,
and
so
for
this
year,
we're
looking
at
above-average
and
that
and
we
look
at
each
of
our
streams
from
that
perspective.
A
E
So
this
is
not
a
question
on
your
presentation.
I
just
want
to
say
to
you
and
your
team
I
mean
you
know
how
much
I
adore
you,
but
you
guys
worked
so
hard
over
the
last
year
and
through
the
legislative
session
to
protect
our
water
and
our
water,
quality
and
I
know.
That's
not
has
anything
to
do
with
your
presentation,
but
I
haven't
seen
you
since
then
so
I
need
to
tell
you
know
you
guys.
E
All
last
year
I
know
you
were
working
on
the
water
groups
working
group
working
through
the
interim,
despite
all
of
the
other
things
going
on
both
personally
and
professionally
here
in
the
city
and
and
you
guys
have
just
really
done
a
wonderful
job
and
I
really
think
all
of
your
hard
work
and
determination
to
protect
our
water
and
our
water
quality,
and
so
thank
you.
Thank.
A
If
you
could
also
pass
our
appreciation
on
to
the
Petersons,
they
did
an
amazing
job.
During
the
session
they
kept
the
three
water
bill
to
compromise
bills
together,
which,
frankly,
I
didn't
think,
was
possible,
so
they
did
it.
They
did
a
great
job.
You
guys
did
a
great
job,
so
yeah,
please,
please
pass
that
along
other
questions
or
comments
for
Lara.
A
Okay,
all
right,
hey!
Thank
you.
So
much
really
appreciate
it.
Thank
you.
Well.
That
was
it.
That
was
the
last
item
on
our
agenda.
We
wanted
to
see
a
marathon
meeting
to
get
us
through
quickly,
so
no
breaks
but
I
know
that
we
do.
We
do
have
some.
We
don't
have
executive
director
announcements
and
we
do
not
have
a
special
session
there,
a
special
session,
this
close
sessions.
So
with
that
we
are
adjourned.