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A
A
A
To
welcome
everybody
to
the
salt
lake
city
council
work
session
from
May
21st
2019.
We
are
going
to
be
working
continuing
working
through
the
budget
process
for
this
fiscal
year.
So
the
first
item
that
we'll
hear
from
I
just
want
to
direct
the
audience
and
the
council.
So
there
was
a
written
briefing
for
the
cultural
core
action
plan.
Update
council
members
have
read
that
I
did
so
that
is
listed
on
the
agenda,
for
those
of
you
following
along
I,
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
y'all
knew
that
we
as
a
council
have
digested
that.
A
So
the
second
item
on
our
agenda
is
fiscal
year:
2019
20
budget
for
community
and
neighborhoods
development
department
David
one
of
the
one
of
the
things
that
I'm
gonna
ask
you
today.
If
you,
if
you
could
introduce
your
staff
who's
gonna
be
at
the
table
by
name
just
so
that,
because
we
didn't
I,
guess
we
didn't
have
that
for
the
report.
A
So
if
you
just
so,
this
is
so.
This
is
accurate.
Oh
then,
nevermind,
okay
yeah!
As
long
as
so
one
of
the
things
that
as
chair
I
like
to
do
is
just
acknowledge.
Who's
gonna
be
at
the
table,
and
so
if
we,
if
we
can
get
that
information
sooner,
that
would
be
helpful.
If
not
I'll.
Just
have
you
do
that
in
the
future.
Okay,
so
Alison
Roland
is
going
to
start
us
off
on
this
discussion.
Sue
she's,
our
council
office
policy,
analyst
and
then
Jennifer
McGrath
is
our
kin
deputy
director
interim
director.
B
A
B
You
mr.
chair
I
wanted
to
make
one
quick
correction
that
we
noticed
at
the
last
minute
to
the
staff
report
and
you
have
received
emails
to
this
respect
in
the
second
paragraph
and,
if
I'm,
sorry
in
the
second
sentence
of
the
first
paragraph,
they
we
realized,
we
needed
to
recalculate
the
numbers
there,
so
I'm
just
going
to
read
it
out
and
then
you'll
be
able
to
check
your
read
folders
or
your
emails,
and
this
version
will
also
be
posted
online
shortly
as
an
updated
version.
B
That
is
six
million
one
hundred
eighty
one
thousand
two
hundred
and
twelve
dollars
higher
than
FY
19,
including
the
increased
revenue
brought
in
through
the
new
sales
tax
option,
which
is
a
million
forty
three
thousand
two
hundred
and
eighty
three
and
the
quarter.
Cent
sales
tax
for
transportation,
which
is
four
point:
seven
million
dollars.
So,
just
that
change
to
include
the
four
point:
seven
million
from
the
quarter
cent
sales
tax
in
the
total
can
budget
because
it
is
actually
reflected
in
the
can
expenditures.
D
Good
afternoon
and
thank
you
for
giving
us
this
time
to
present
information
on
and
to
answer,
questions
about
the
mayor's
recommended
can
budget
for
next
year.
Brent
will
give
a
very
brief
overview
of
the
changes
in
the
Kin
budget
from
last
year
to
this
year,
then
Lonnie
and
John
will
each
give
brief
overviews
highlighting
projects
and
programs,
as
well
as
items
specifically
related
to
new
revenue
sources
like
funding
our
future.
The
county
quarter
cent
funds
and
grants
we've
intentionally
kept
our
presentation
very
short,
to
allow
us
to
dedicate
most
of
our
time
today.
D
To
answering
your
questions,
you
can
see
that
there
are
a
lot
of
people
in
the
audience
today
to
help
us
with
that,
including
David
Litvak
if
he
should
be
needed
and
before
we
begin
I
just
wanted
to.
Thank
you
for
your
support
this
year,
because
together,
we've
created
some
incredible
opportunities
to
bring
necessary
and
transformational
projects
and
programs
to
our
city,
and
we
look
forward
to
continuing
that
work
with
you
in
the
coming
year.
So.
E
For
the
key
changes
in
an
apartment
this
year,
the
majority
of
those
will
fall
under
the
funding,
our
future
or
for
homeless
services,
which
Lonnie
and
Joan
are
here
to
take
over
in
further
detail.
But
as
far
as
cans
general
fund
budget,
we
have
a
few
highlighted
changes.
We
are
proposing
to
move
some
of
our
software
costs
to
IMS
for
them
to
oversee.
We
have
three
new
positions:
a
building
inspector,
an
equity
administrator
and
a
DEA
administrator.
E
C
I
just
want
to
point
out
for
those
on
the
watching
on
the
camera.
The
presentation
is
not
showing
up
here,
I'm,
not
sure
if
it's
showing
up
for
the
watching
public,
okay,
so
I
would
like
to
speak
to
and
I
hope
you
have
this
in
your
packets
council
members,
the
housing
mostly
funded
by
funding
our
future,
the
launches
that
we
did
last
month,
many
of
you
were
present
for
those
launches.
We
have
worked
through
heroes.
C
It's
a
homebuyer
program
that
provides
to
our
service
providers,
including
our
police,
ee,
9-1-1
teachers,
nurse
those
folks
that
live
within
Salt
Lake
and
work
within
Salt
Lake
to
have
access
to
downpayment
assistance.
Pamela's
place
was
a
recently.
There
was
a
ribbon-cutting.
Our
groundbreaking
excuse
me
for
permanent,
supportive
housing
that
Housing
Trust
Fund
dollars
provided
through
the
funding.
Our
future
revenues
participated
in
that
capital
stack.
C
School-Based
homeless
program
is
one
of
the
components
of
our
serving
our
most
vulnerable
populations,
part
again
of
the
funding,
our
future
monies
and
the
housing
program
for
those
experiencing
severely
mental,
severe
mental
illness
and
then
also
with
our
partner,
the
road
home.
The
new
shared
housing
program
matches
folks
that,
typically,
under
our
federal
funds
that
we
have
utilized
in
the
past,
we
wouldn't
be
able
to
put
together
those
roommates,
so
the
funding
our
future
has
allowed
us
to
expand
services
based
on
those
a
little
more
flexibility.
C
C
C
My
staff
and
with
the
outreach
they
do
with
our
community
partners,
it
became
apparent
that
it's
difficult
sometimes
for
people
that
are
making
a
little
bit
higher
wage
in
that
sixty
to
eighty
percent
to
access
downpayment
assistance.
So
we
worked
with,
for
instance,
our
Community
Partner
CDC
Utah
and
with
NeighborWorks
and
with
our
Housing
Authority
partners
to
try
and
figure
out
ways
that
we
could
provide
that
mechanism.
C
I
think
also
in
conversations
with
the
mayor
and
other
community
members
identifying
ways
that
we
could
hopefully
contribute
to
lowering
our
air
pollution
so
keeping
folks
within
the
city
that
our
residents
and
that
work
here
being
able
to
provide
that.
So
those
folks
have
we
landed
on
you
know:
fire
police,
Public,
Safety,
be
nine
one.
One
nurses
and
other
maybe
CNAs
teachers
kind
of
in
that
gap
area
is
that
yeah.
G
I
guess
I'm
thinking
about
conversations
that
we've
had
as
a
council
in
the
past
around
helping
increase
access
to
housing
in
the
city
for
city
employees
and
you
catch
many
of
them.
But
we
don't
catch
public
service
and
public
utility
employees
who
I
would
bet
fall
into
that
very
same
category
of
you
know,
paint
income
and
what
barriers
they
may
have
to
downpayment
access.
C
C
Well,
it's
under
contract
right
now,
I
guess
we
could
go
through
an
amendment
process.
We
have
already
put
forward
the
CDC
Utah's,
actually
working
with
us
right
now
for
downpayment
assistance,
I'm,
not
gonna,
say
hard.
No
I
can
regroup
with
my
staff
and
make
sure
that
you
know
if
we're
having
troubles
with
giving
it
to
the
folks
that
we
outlined
is
that
we're
getting
out
yeah.
G
I
think
that
I,
instead
of
asking
necessarily
for
you
to
go
back
to
CDC
right
now,
I'm
curious.
If,
if
my
peers
feel
this
way,
because
we've
had
conversations
about
salt
lake
city,
employees
accessing
city
housing
and
some
barriers,
our
own
employees
have,
and
we
get
police
and
fire
into
this
net,
but
we're
leaving
out
a
great
deal
of
other
public
employees.
Councilmember.
A
Mendenhall
I
appreciate
you
bringing
that
up.
I
have
had
the
same
thoughts
and
it
doesn't
rise
quite
to
the
level
of
a
concern,
but
I
have
thought
the
same
thing
that
you
know
one
of
one
of
the
the
problems
that
we're.
Having
is
because
of
the
way
that
the
city
is
the
cost
of
living
is
increasing.
It's
it's
hard
for
any
of
our
staff
in
the
city,
not
just
Public
Safety,
to
afford
to
live
in
the
city.
A
So
what
if
we
were
to
do
something
is
so
if
I
don't
want
them,
I
don't
want
to
slow
down
what
they're
trying
to
do,
but
if,
since
it
is
the
first
year,
what
if
we
were
to
have
intent
language
that
it
is
the
ANU,
you
know
something
to
the
effect
the
you
know.
It's
the
intent
of
the
council
that
we
evaluate
this
first
year
of
the
heroes
program
and
look
at
ways
to
expand
that
program
or
to
create
a
secondary
program.
That's
strictly
for
city
employees
during
the
next
budget
cycle.
Could
that
work
I.
G
Think,
yes,
and
if
it's
I
would
love
just
to
ask
for
a
feedback-
maybe
not
at
this
moment,
but
leading
up
to
our
next
meeting
about
the
potential
to
amend
that
contract.
For
at
this
point,
if
you
feel
like
there's
some
additional
increment
of
funding,
if
we're
going
to
expand
the
pool
of
potential
applicants,
could
I
ask
for
that
feedback
from
the
administration,
yeah
I.
D
Think
we
can
do
all
three
things.
I
think
we
can
do
an
evaluation
of
the
existing
program
to
see.
If
there
are
any
adjustments,
we
could
make
right
now.
I
think
we
can
do
an
evaluation
of
the
program
as
we
see
the
outcomes
starting
to
come
to
fruition
to
see
if
expanding
that
program
makes
sense
and
I
think
we
can
also
do
an
evaluation
of
the
program
midway
through
this
coming
year
to
see
if
we
can
use
it
as
a
model
to
create
a
secondary
program
that
would
be
similar
but
address
a
different
audience.
A
A
C
A
A
Again,
I
don't
want
to
do
something
that
is
going
to
slow
something
down
this
year,
but
that
may
be
something
that
we
want
to
add.
In
addition
to
this,
or
even
you
know,
just
create
a
public
employee
program,
because
it
is
something
that
is
a
it's.
It's
a
real
challenge
that
every
department
is
going
to
have
understood.
C
G
Even
though
we
do
CCAC
and
we
evaluate
our
pay
of
our
employees,
that
they're
still
employees
not
making
very
much
money,
there's
lots
of
them
and
with
the
housing
cost
being
what
they
are
I
know
it's
it
it
in
some
ways,
I'm
saying
teachers
and
nurses
and
firefighters
and
police
officers
resonates
with
a
community,
but
our
our
people
who
are
building
our
streets,
who
we've
just
hired
to
double
that
maintenance,
crew
and
and
so
on.
Our
public
utilities
workers
they
need.
G
D
A
Then
the
other
do
and
councilmember
what
what
what
if
we
were
to
if
I
can
have
staff,
if
somebody
and
staff
can
let's
start
a
list
of
items
that
you
know
are
of
interest
to
the
council
to
potentially
look
for
for
funding
as
we're
moving
forward
through
this
process.
Let's
add
this
piece:
the
public
there,
the
public
employee
piece
to
that
list,
so
that
if
there
is
additional
money,
I'm
not
saying
that
there
is
because
I
don't
think
there
will
be
much
it's,
at
least
at
least
on
the
list
for
discussion.
So,
okay,
so
chair.
H
C
The
only
group
that
currently
does
that
kind
of
downpayment
assistance-
okay,
we
felt
like
it-
would
make
sense
to
do
with
a
partner.
That's
working
on
that
type
of
program.
Already
we
might
be
able
to
expand
it
to
others.
We
also
I
wanted
like
to
point
out
that
we
have
a
homebuyer
program
that
isn't
limited
to
any.
There
was
a
no
constraint,
it
could
be
a
city
employee
that
can
come
if
they're
income
qualified
and
go
through
our
homebuyer
program
and.
H
H
G
D
I
think
we
can
absolutely
look
at
that,
as
well
as,
like
I
said,
looking
at
a
way
to
expand
it
in
the
future
or
to
create
a
similar
program
with
the
same
model,
but
for
a
different
group
and
to
Lani's
point.
We
do
also
have
another
program
to
help
with
down
payment
assistance
that
doesn't
have
any
restrictions
around
where
you're
employed
or
how
you're
employed,
but
rather
is
just
income
income
qualifying
based.
So
we
we
are
hitting
that
from
a
couple
of
different
angles.
I
Systems
point
of
view:
looking
back
at
last
year's
appropriation
language
for
funding
our
future,
it
was
all
it
was
new
to
everyone
and
the
council.
It
looks
like
put
general
language
in
into
the
appropriation
for
this.
You,
it
didn't
specify
you
know
a
program
or
what
it's
called,
or
it
was
just
general
like
downpayment
assistance.
So
there
are
cases
if
the
city
is
launching
a
new
program.
I
Sometimes
the
council
wants
to
have
more
input
and
in
those
cases,
then
you
don't
appropriate
the
money
until
you
have
the
opportunity
to
hear
more
about
it,
so
that
you
can
give
your
policy
input
upfront.
So
you
have
that
option
or
you
can
just
go
ahead
and
do
the
appropriations
either
way
works.
Nothing
wrong
with
either
way,
but
I
did
want
to
ask
if
the
contract
is
for
the
remainder
of
this
fiscal
year
or
if
it
extends
into
fiscal
year
2020.
It's.
I
C
Though
speaking
to
that
I
just
I
don't
know
if
it
is
helpful,
maybe
we
could
scroll
just
a
little
bit
up.
This
outlines
all
of
the
programs,
and
this
shows
both
the
current
fiscal
year
and
the
proposed
budget
just
clear
the
various
programs
that
we
went
based
on
last
year's
council
appropriations.
We
went
forward
and
if
you
I'd
like
to
go
through
this-
and
maybe
just
have
you
ask
questions
as
we
go
through
the
two
at
the
end
of
the
list-
are
the
new
ones
so
I'd
like
to
start
there.
C
The
landlord
insurance
pilot
is,
we've
asked
for
300,000.
Excuse
me
350,000,
and
that
will
be
again
a
pilot
program.
We
have
done
quite
a
bit
of
research
regarding
landlord
insurance
programs.
The
state
has
Department
of
Workforce.
Services
has
some
limited
programs.
It
requires
some
form
of
judgment,
though,
on
for
the
landlord
to
be
able
to
participate
in
the
program
and
we'd
like
to
potentially
provide
ways
to
not
have
a
formal
legal
judgment
against
a
tenant.
C
A
C
C
So
if
there's
you
know
some
beyond
minor
repairs
or
things
that
happen
while
a
tenant
is
in
a
property,
the
landlord,
the
only
way
they
can
go
into
this
landlord
insurance
program
is
to
say:
well,
we
need
to
have
a
judgement,
so
they
have
to
take
it
before
a
small
claims,
court
or
other
judge,
and
then
the
landlord
insurance
program
can
be
access
and
that's
the
state's
program.
We
would
like
to
open
it
up
to,
hopefully
a
larger
pool
of
landlords
to
be
able
to
utilize
more
easily,
not
have
to
go
through
the
legal
process.
C
Quite
as
extensively
and
be
able
to
say
you
know,
maybe
it's
a
deposit
so
that
we
pay
it
the
deposit,
helping
low
income,
tenants
folks
that
maybe
have
had
some
bad
credit
or
other.
You
know
not
very
successful
tenant
experiences
to
be
able
to
have
that
deposit
up
front
and
the
landlord's
can
then
access
that
money.
J
Yes,
well
I
appreciate
the
creativity,
there's
just
a
lot
of
collateral
consequences
of
having
a
judgment
against
a
tenant.
So
that's
all
so.
G
In
my
I
asked
a
question,
I
can't
remember
if
it
was
in
our
last
work
session
or
in
the
small
group
budget
meeting
about
how
why
we're
allocating
so
much
to
this
when
the
state
equivalent
of
it
hasn't
been
utilized
in
that
fund,
was,
was
intentionally
shrunk.
And,
and
are
you
telling
me
it's
because
you're
going
to
eliminate
the
need
to
go
into
the
courts
in
order
to
access
that
one
aspect
so.
C
C
I
A
I
Work
with
you
to
just
get
a
bit
at
the
staff
level
a
little
bit
better
understanding
of
it,
because
I
think
the
use
of
the
term
insurance
might
be
a
barrier
like
in
my
mind,
I
was
thinking
they
don't
pay
for
this
insurance.
It's
that
the
it's
like
a
garret,
the
city's
acting
as
a
guarantor.
If
there
are
damages
to
the
apartments,
then
there
may
be
cases
where
the
city
would
help
cover
that
absent
instead
of
a
landlord
taking
a
tenant
to
court
correct
okay,
so
we
have
we.
C
A
C
Can
we
go
on
to
the
building
a
more
equitable
City
again
a
300,000
proposal
to
help
us
with
meeting
our
goals
in
growing
SLC
goal?
Number
three
is
equitable
and
fair
housing
and
to
build
this
equitable
City.
We
need
to
eliminate
instances
of
housing
discrimination.
This
would
address
discrimination
when
their
market
conditions
increase
competition
among
renters.
We
hope
that
under
utilizing
these
funds,
we
would
be
able
to
work
with
Utah
Community,
Action,
disability,
Law,
Center,
potentially
Utah
Bar
Association
University
of
Utah.
C
It
could
also
be
some
funding
towards
landlord
tenant
mediation
working
with
Utah
community
action
and
again
this
would
be
a
pilot,
so
we'd
be
looking
to
explore
capacity
of
existing
programs
and
to
augment
existing
none
of
the
funds
that
we've
or
people
we've
talked
with
so
far
have
said
that
they
couldn't
work
with
us
at
least.
Maybe
they
wouldn't
take
or
help
with
the
monies,
but
they
would
be
willing
to
help
us
with
formulating
the
program.
A
J
J
Noticed
that
there's
not
an
FTE
listed
here
for
building
a
more
equitable
city,
but
when
I
look
at
the
proposed
FTEs,
it
there's
some
questions.
I
have
on
those,
but
I
was
wondering
talk
to
me
about
the
the
equity
development
planner
and
and
who
is
going
to
be
doing
this
who's
going
to
be
in
charge
of
this
building
a
more
equitable
City.
Okay,.
D
I
will
start
trying
to
answer
the
questions
about
the
equity
administrator
position,
which
we've
asked
for
under
general
fund.
I'll
David
elaborate
if
he
feels
like
I've,
missed
the
concept
and
then
let
lonny
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
the
specific
program,
but
the
idea
of
bringing
on
an
equity
administrator
actually
came
from
a
concept
that
no
locking
Shah
has
come
up
with
and
I
think
is
actually
gonna.
Be
talking
to
you
guys
about
next
week.
This
idea
of
digital
inclusion
and
digital
equus
equity
he's
put
together
a
digital
equity
policy
and
I.
D
Think
that
he's
giving
you
a
briefing
next
week,
but
the
the
idea
of
this
was
really
appealing
to
the
mayor
and
what
she
said
is
I
love
this
conceptually
and
I
really
want
to
create
a
position
to
look
at
this
more
broadly
across
the
entire
city
rather
than
just
in
public
services.
So
this
person
would
really
take
the
lead
in
developing
an
equity
plan
for
the
city.
Certainly,
this
program
would
be
part
of
that
plan.
This
person
would
be
a
resource
to
help
formulate
that
or
to
help
do
some
evaluation
of
that
program.
D
But
this
position
would
really
ensure
that
and
that
we
have
equity
kind
of
in
all
forms
and
that
that
idea
is
at
the
forefront
of
everything
that
we
do
within
the
city
and
throughout
our
community
over
time.
This
person
would
really
be
able
to
do
some
data
collection
and
do
an
analysis
of
how
equitable
our
distribution
of
our
resources
here
at
the
city
are
happening
across
the
city.
So,
looking
at,
where
do
we
do
road
maintenance?
Where
are
we
doing
Street
reconstructions?
Where
are
the
housing
dollars
going?
D
J
Thank
you
Jenny
and
Lonnie
before
you
answer
any
questions.
I
guess
now
that
that
question
has
been
answered
for
me,
which
I
appreciate
that
answer:
why?
What
are
the
aspects
of
this
program
that
amount
to
$300,000?
But
it's
a
pilot
program,
so
I'm
just
curious
where
we're
getting
numbers
and
it's
okay
to
say
you
just
pulled
it
out
of
thin
air,
because
sometimes
we
have
to
do
that
with
pilot
programs
and
I
get
that
it
was.
C
G
A
K
L
K
M
Take
your
chair,
thank
you
for
the
question.
Yeah.
There
are
several
cities
that
have
that
we're
looking
to
his
models.
Portland,
for
example,
Minnesota,
has
done
a
lot
of
work
around
equity
and
the
idea
of
having
equity,
strategic
plans
within
different
departments
and
divisions
and
having
an
individual
and
the
reason
why
we
felt
that
this
was
a
good
position
with
Canada.
M
We
think
of
it
similar
to
how
civic
engagement
works,
civic
engagement
or
community
civic
engagement
staff
works
with
all
departments
and
divisions
in
how
they
strategically
reach
out
to
the
community
and
the
public
engagement,
and
we
think
of
this
position
very
similar
in
working
with
different
departments
and
divisions,
to
help
create
that
equity
plan,
a
strategic
plan
within
a
specific
department,
division
and
then
implemented,
and
so
there
are
several
cities
that
have
done
some
really
creative
things
and
there's
a
great
organization
called
gehrig
of
ermand.
Of
course,
I
can't
remember
it.
M
K
D
N
N
You
know,
I
have
staff
that
have
been
here
since
the
80s
and
saying
things
like
yeah.
We've
never
seen
anything
like
this
right
between
the
funding,
our
future
and
the
county
quarter.
Cent
tax
we're
ready
to
really
change
the
trajectory
for
for
transportation.
So
what
the
slide
that's
up
right
now
shows
kind
of
how
its
how
it's
been
historically
in
Salt
Lake
City
on
the
left.
You
can
see
types
of
streets
that
we've
been
able
to
do.
You
know
one
a
couple
of
year
and
then
on
the
right
you
can
see.
N
You
know
this
is
a
North
temple
corridor,
so
these
are
kind
of
more
of
the
transformative
projects
and
that's
more
of
you
know
maybe
once
a
decade
sort
of
sort
of
thing,
but
that's
about
to
accelerate
and
we've
been
working
really
hard
to
keep
up
with
the
changes
that
have
happened
over
the
last
year.
You
know
due
to
your
leadership
and
the
mayor's
leadership,
to
completely
change
the
landscape
for
us.
So
these
are
the
sorts
of
projects
that
now,
instead
of
once
a
decade
we're
just
going
to
be
churning
them
out
one
after
another.
N
You
see
in
the
middle
the
you
know
the
night
south
project
you
can
see
across
the
top,
the
you
know
the
areas
that
are
going
to
be
constructed
in
the
in
the
coming
years,
and
you
know,
we've
talked
with
you
and
the
the
RDA
board
about
the
this
central
chunk
of
you
know
or
we're.
Rebuilding
ninth
South,
adding
in
improved
transit
service
capital
investments
for
improved
bus
stops.
You
know
coordinating
with
public
utilities,
so
they
can
update
their
infrastructure
while
we're
at
it.
N
On
the
left,
you
can
see
on
200
South,
with
the
additional
bus
service
that
this
Salt
Lake
City
is
sponsoring
and
as
well
as
the
new
service
that
UTA
will
be
rolling
out
in
2021
or
2022,
there's
going
to
be
a
need
for
an
East,
Side,
East,
downtown
bus
hub,
and
so
the
thing
about
where
you
have
a
lot
of
transit
coming
together
that
crazy
opportunity
for
really
special
places.
And
so
there
is
some.
You
know
growing
momentum
for
really
rethinking
what
could
happen
on
somewhere
along
2nd
southeast
of
downtown.
N
G
N
N
You
know
we're
still
optimistic
and
full
of
hope
and
energy,
and
one
do
great
things
so
another
transformative
project
and
the
pipeline
is
the
600-700
North
corridor.
So
that's
the
the
next
one
that
in
the
tenth
north
or
the
ER,
the
next
two
routes
that
are
up
for
for
service
I
was
gonna,
say,
increases
but
service
period
right
and
right
off.
The
bat
come
in
with
the
you
know,
the
frequent
transit
network,
15-minute
service
level
and
so
we're
kicking
off
a
study.
We've
already
got.
N
The
request
for
proposals
is
out
on
the
street
to
select
a
consultant
to
look
at
how
we
can
fix
600
North
right
now
when
I
look
at
600,
north
I
don't
see
a
corridor
that
I
feel
comfortable,
encouraging
people
to
cross
back
and
forth
to
catch
the
bus
on
right
now,
I
see
you
know,
white
arterial.
That
is
really
divides
the
Fair
Park
and
Rose
Park
neighborhoods.
N
N
We
are
working
up
at
the
University
of
Utah
to
do
a
pop-up
mobility
hub
to
try
and
get
more
people
in
the
research
park
area
to
get
on
transit,
and
how
can
we
help
connect
them
even
working
with
them
to
open
that
up,
hopefully
in
the
next
by
within
the
next
month
or
so
to
open
it
up
even
for
scooters.
But
you
know,
that's
all
part
of
the.
N
You
know
the
conversation
there
and
a
lot
of
that
effort
is
funded
with
for
this
pop-up
mobility
hub
there,
it's
funded
with
the
the
funding,
our
future
money,
so
that
we're
we're
allocated
under
the
work
to
transit
and
line-item
under
the
home
to
transit,
eran,
on-demand
transit
service.
We
are
in
negotiations
with
a
vendor
to
roll
out
service
this
summer
for
that
in
the
the
areas
like
the
avenues
and
Rose
Park
and
the
east
mansion
that
don't
have
really
good
bus
service
and
where
they
may
never
have
frequent
and
bus
service.
N
N
We're
moving
some
parking
to
put
them
in
so
for
the
people
who,
where
it's
in
front
of
their
house,
it's
a
big
deal
to
them,
and
so
not
only
do
we
have
to
work
closely
with
UTA
from
there.
You
know,
look
at
the
the
optimal
spacing
and
location
from
a
ridership
perspective,
but
they
also
have
to
work
with
the
people
who
are
directly
impacted
by
that.
N
And
hopefully
people
see
that
as
a
positive
that
now
they
have
a
connection
with
high
frequencies
seven-day
service
that
connects
them
into
the
rest
of
the
system
and
we're
also
working
with
UTA
on
cool
co-branded
bus
stops.
That
would
work
with
the
overall
UTA
brand.
So
it
needs
to
be.
You
know
very
obvious
to
people
that
certain
UTA
bus
stop,
but
also
obvious
to
them
that
it's
a
salt
lake
city,
funded
bus,
stop.
N
A
A
So
with
the
funding,
our
future
money
and
with
the
bond
we're
gonna,
be
seeing
more
and
more
construction
in
the
city
which
yay
you
know,
that's
a
good
thing
there
are.
There
are
two
examples
that
I'm
a
little
bit
concerned
about,
though
one
was
the
resurfacing
of
21st
East
last
year.
I
know
that
the
contractor
ended
up
having
to
go
back
and
grind
down
some
of
the
some
of
the
areas
because
it
was
unsafe
for
cyclists,
but
it
was
also
I
mean
you
could
you
could
feel
it
as
he
drove
over
it?
A
It's
just
I'd
never
seen
anything
like
that
with
one
of
our
projects,
but
I
know
they
had
to
go
back
and
grind
down.
Some
of
it.
I
noticed
the
same
problems,
though,
with
the
work
that
was
just
barely
done
on
23rd
east
between
Foothill
and
17th
south.
So
one
of
the
things
that
that
I
would
encourage
your
group
to
look
at
is
you
know
really
talking
to
the
engineers
and
because
I
don't
think,
that's
our
that's
our
career
that
that
went
out
and
did
that
I.
A
D
A
K
You
know:
we've
talked
about
this
a
lot
with
constituents
in
my
district
and
in
two
areas
and
then
in
our
three
areas
and
then
an
emerging
fourth
area
with
traffic
calming
is
it
do
we
need
to
allocate
more
resources
to
that?
Or
is
it
just
that
the
solutions
like
are
not
like
budget
like
feasible
budget
wise,
because
we
would
have
to
reconfigure
streets
how?
What
kind?
K
What
can
I
do
to
bring
those
kind
of
concerns
more
to
the
forefront,
because
you
know
we're
getting
a
lot
of
petitions
we're
getting
a
lot
of
people
at
the
last
Capitol
Hill
Community
Council.
There's
a
significant
portion
donated
to
presentation
about
renewed
efforts
to
calm
traffic,
coming
down,
East,
Capitol,
Boulevard
and
wanting
to
know
what,
if
there,
if
anything,
was
in
the
budget
to
address
that
yeah.
N
I
appreciate
that
question
and
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
have
this
dialogue.
This
is
something
that
I
don't
need
to
tell
you
that
we
here
citywide
and
it's
a
constant
concern,
and
it's
definitely
something.
That
is
a
concern
to
me
as
well,
and
you
know,
as
a
father,
myself,
I
I
know
it's
not
just
kids,
but
I.
Think
kids
are
usually
who
we
worry
about
the
most
they're
just
so
unpredictable.
N
It's
one
of
the
things
that
motivated
me
to
work
in
city
government
is
to
be
able
to
do
be
involved
in
some
of
the
smaller
projects
that
can
make
a
big
difference
for
making
streets
more
safe
and
livable.
That's
something
that
the
transportation
advisory
board
bring
has
been
bringing
up
to
us
and
is
wanting
to
find
ways
to
move
this
conversation
forward.
N
N
It's
before
my
time
that
it
was,
we
actually
had
a
full-time
person
that
just
coordinated
traffic
calming
efforts
and
it
was
it,
was
shut
down
unfunded
and
that
person
was
like
go
over
I
think
it's
just
over
ten
years
ago,
but
it's
you
know
the
problem
persists,
and
so
then
the
question
is:
what
do
we
do
about
it
and
the
one
of
the
things
that
we've
been
looking
at
thinking
about
is
approaching
it.
You
know
looking
at
opportunities
to
include
traffic
calming
in
our
street
reconstruction
projects.
N
N
One
thing
that
I
like
about
that
is,
it
provides
an
opportunity
for
them
to
show
that
they
have
that
community
support
and
it's
kind
of
more
grassroots
I've
found
in
my
short
time
of
the
city,
that
if
the
idea
comes
from
residents,
it's
usually
better
received
than
if
it
comes
from
me
and
so
I
I
do
like
that
process.
For
that
reason,
but
my
concern
is
that
there's,
it's
still
probably
not
fully
funded,
and
so
one
thing
that
you
know
just
to
kind
of
start
experimenting
with
this.
N
N
It's
not
just
about
punishing
drivers,
it's
about
creating
a
street
that
is
livable
for
people
who
aren't
driving
right
and
for
the
people
who
live
on
the
street
and
so
trying
to
broaden
it
and
think
more
holistically
about
how
you
know
what
it
is
that
we're
after
and
so
I
don't
know
if
that's
gonna
blow
up
on
us
politically
or
whether
or
not
I'll
be
sittin
wildly
successful.
But
that's
that's.
Why
we're
out
did.
K
You
do
you
think
I
guess
sort
of
my
question
is
like:
do
you
think
having
a
traffic
calming
expert
like
we
used
to
have?
Do
you
think
it's
time
to
look
at
that
again
or
is
that?
Is
that
not
really
was
that
eliminated
team
because
it
wasn't
solving
the
problem
and
it
was
creating
a
misperception
that
this
was
a
easily
solvable
problem
that
you
just
needed
to
hire
one
employee
to
do
and
they
could
just
start
doing
it.
I
think.
N
D
P
D
I
think
it
was
just
one
of
those
times
where
you
know
we
always
have
tight
resources
right
and
at
those
times
things
were
even
more
tight
and
so
I
think,
because
that
program
was
somewhat
controversial
and
we
got
a
lot
of
pushback.
That
was
an
area
that
was
probably
easy
to
cut,
but
as
John
mentioned,
we
have
a
couple
of
different.
D
We
can
hit
it
from
both
sides
and
kind
of
come
to
the
middle
and
and
see
if
that
works.
We're
really
optimistic
about
that
program.
We
have
seen
a
lot
of
interest
from
communities
and
we
want
to
be
able
to
respond
to
that
I
think
it's
a
combination
of
resources,
resources
means
staff
and
actual
dollars
and
cents,
and
also
political
support,
as
well
as
community
support.
So
I
think
when
those
things
come
together,
we
can
be
really
successful.
Okay,.
J
To
Chris's
point,
do
you
anticipate,
or
could
you
see
the
proposed
civic
engagement
specialists
sort
of
impart
handling
some
of
these,
these
problems
of
just
sort
of
reaching
out
when
there
are
traffic
calming
issues
either
people
who
want
them
or
or
people
who
don't
because,
as
I
was
kind
of
looking
at
the
proposed
FTEs?
That's
what
came
to
my
head
was
that
this
person
maybe
may
be
able
to
do
a
little
bit,
at
least
in
part
of
addressing
some
of
that,
because
so
much
of
it
I
think
is
engaging
right.
D
The
civic
engagement
position
is
specifically
a
request
from
funding
our
future,
so
that
person
would
really
be
very
specifically
focused
on
funding
our
future
efforts.
That
being
said,
we
have
made
a
proposal
for
the
quarter
cent
money
for
some
additional
FTEs
within
transportation,
who
would
be
able
to
focus
on
not
only
this
program
but
also,
you
know,
bond
projects,
our
grant
projects,
more
projects
that
are
coming
from
the
quarter.
Cent
work,
so
we're
really
trying
to
figure
out
a
way
to
have
as
few
people
as
possible
do
as
much
work
as
possible.
J
Told
Charlie
I
was
gonna.
Do
this
I'm
just
going
to
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
guys
because
again,
because
I've
worked
really
hard,
I
appreciate
the
the
relationship
that
we
now
have
with
UTA
and
being
able
to
kind
of
create
something
where
it
seems
in
the
past
was
a
little
divisive
now
there
actually
seems
to
be
some
collaboration
there,
including
addressing
our
concerns
about
a
building
rate
that
they're
building
so
I.
That's
all
your
guys's
groundwork.
So
thanks
for
that,
thanks.
H
Thinks
John
and
Jenna
and
everybody
else
so
I
just
want
to
be
clear
on
these
three
hundred
thousand
dollars
that
you
think
for
livable,
neighborhoods
and
you're
thinking.
Maybe
their
pressures
are
very
grassroots
right
that
the
community
would
come
to
you
and
ask
for
some
funding
for
traffic
coming
initiatives
or
didactic
ideas
which
we've.
N
N
There
hasn't
been
any
shortage
of
requests
to
be
straight
up.
The
my
thinking
with
that
request
was
I,
wanted
to
do
a
pilot
on
five
hundred
North.
That's
we're
gonna
be
making
six
hundred
north
I
made
two
reasons.
One
is
six
hundred
north
is
we're
gonna,
make
it
a
lot
more
pedestrian
and
transit
friendly
and
often
there's
at
least
a
perception
that
that's
going
to
push
traffic
onto
neighboring
streets
and
then
500
north
is
its
accounts.
N
Members
found
from
nodding
five
hundred
north
is:
it
is
a
neighborhood
Street
and
it's
one
of
the
few
through
streets
that
actually
crosses
the
Jordan
River,
there's
a
little
girl
that
was
killed
there
last
fall,
and
that
happens
to
be
about
as
much
money
as
we
think
could.
We
would
take
to
take
that
whole
stretch
and
make
it
really
what
it
ought
to
me.
D
Why
also
want
to
say
we
want
to
be
able
to
take
two
different
approaches.
We
want
to
be
both
proactive
and
reactive.
Like
John
said,
the
worst
thing
in
the
world
is
for
us
to
get
a
phone
call
that
somebody's
been
killed
on
one
of
our
roads.
It's
extremely
difficult
for
us
to
think
about
that
happening
and
and
to
live
with
that,
and
so
we
need
to
address
those
very
serious
issues
that
happen.
D
D
We
know
where
the
biggest
safety
concerns
are,
so
we
want
to
proactively
go
out
and
prevent
things
like
what
happened
on
five
hundred
North,
but
we
also
want
to
be
able
to
be
reactive
to
communities
like
we
have
been
in
the
last
couple
weeks.
You
know
a
child
was
hit,
hope,
thankfully
not
killed
on
Westminster
in
in
Charlie's
district,
and
so
we
want
to
be
able
to
address
those
things
as
they
come
up
as
well.
So
it's
about
hitting
it
from
all
sides.
J
Charlie
can
I
ask
questions
not
on
transportation.
Thanks
can
I
go
back
to
the
can
budget
a
little
bit
and
the
FTEs
that
were
asking
for
I
said
I
mentioned
earlier.
That
I
had
a
couple
of
questions
about
those
and
I
I
wrote
in
my
notes
anyway.
So
please,
if
it
was
not
always
right,
I
mean
I,
think
I
am,
but
so,
if
I'm
wrong,
let
me
know
but
I
have
written
down
in
my
notes
that
there
is
a
proposal
for
a
civic
engagement
innovations
manager
and
a
civic
engagement
specialist.
D
Yeah
so
hopefully
I'm
not
gonna
mess
this
up,
because
we
have
different
requests
for
different
FTEs
from
different
pots
of
money.
So
within
the
can
budget,
we've
asked
for
an
additional
building
inspector
for
building
services.
The
equity
administrator
position
that
we
discussed
and
the
a
DEA
administrator
position.
That
is
a
request
from
the
mayor's
office
to
move
into,
can
sorry
I.
Don't
let
me
find
all
my
notes
here,
then
we
also
have
a
request
with
in
funding
our
future
for
I'm.
Just
gonna
go
off
memory,
so
you
guys
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong.
D
Oh
thanks,
three
positions
within
funding
our
future,
so
one
civic
engagement
person,
one
person
for
transportation
and
one
person
for
engineering
all
three
who
would
be
focused
very
specifically
on
funding
our
future
initiatives.
Only
and
then
we
have
another
request
out
of
the
fourth
quarter:
sales
tax
John.
Am
I
right
another
three
people
within
transportation,
basically
to
deal
with
all
of
the
additional
funding
that
is
outside
of
funding
our
future.
So
the
new
fourth
quarter,
sales
tax
money,
the
bond
projects
and
then
are
just
our
regular
day-to-day
work.
D
D
J
P
P
You
know
all
this
stuff
I
think
I
would
be
politically
supportive
of
treating
this
as
a
public
safety
issue,
because,
generally
speaking,
when
it
comes
to
neighborhood
councils
or
any
other
groups,
it
gets
funneled
to
the
police
department
to
use
their
resources
to
try
and
calm
traffic
right
and
they
generally
deploy
their
their
speed.
Monitors.
Essentially
right
I
would
be
supportive
of
taking
street
safety
as
sort
of
one
of
those
issues
and
finding
ways
to
maybe
coordinate
all
these
kind
of
things.
P
If
it's
a
position
that
you
think
would
be
appropriate
to
look
at
not
to
traffic
calming,
but
also,
how
do
you
keep
schools?
High
pedestrian
area
is
safe,
etcetera
or
other
ideas.
You
might
have
I
think
this
would
be
one
of
those
core
issues
as
a
city
I
think
we
should
address
in
a
proactive
and
reactive
way.
P
A
G
All
third
and
I
love
that
idea
councilmember
Johnston,
because
if
we
think
back
I
guess
about
a
year
ago,
actually
more
like
toward
the
beginning
of
the
school
year
last
August
there
was
a
shortage,
as
there
sometimes
is
a
school
crossing
guards.
I
know
that
my
neighborhood
school
was
missing
a
crossing
guard
for
a
time
and
intermittently
filled
positions.
A
Before
council
member
Johnson,
Hugo
I
just
want
to
address
the
crossing
guard
issue
and
I've
worked
been
working
with
John
and
Jennifer
on
this
piece
also,
but
this
is
something
that
I
think
we
need
to
have
better
collaboration
with
the
school
district,
because
we're
providing
as
we're
I
mean
it's
a
city
service,
but
we're
providing.
You
know
a
service
to
the
school
district.
I
think
that
we
ought
to
be
working
together
on
this,
especially
if
we're
going
to
be
putting
more
money
into
it,
because
they
don't
have
a
lot
of
money.
A
We
don't
have
a
lot
of
money,
but
I
think
if
we're
able
to
you
know,
pool
some
of
those
resources,
we
could
at
least
revisit
some
of
the
crossing
guard
issues,
because
a
lot
of
what
I
end
up
hearing
back,
it's
similar.
What
you
all
hear
back,
you
know
there.
There
are
a
lot
of
you
know,
reasons
that
places
don't
have
crossing
guards
that
really
do
need
them.
So
we
need
to
get
past
the
whatever
reasoning
it
is
or
whoever's
fault.
It
is
and
figure
out
how
to
how
to
take
care
of
it.
A
So
I'd
be
open
to
finding
additional
compensation
to
expand
funding
for
crossing
guards,
but
I
would
like
to
see
more
direct
collaboration
with
the
school
district
to
figure
out.
I
know
that
we
did
it
with
the
safes
or
the
safe,
walking
the
zone
initiative
a
few
years
back.
So
we
can
do
this,
but
I
think
we're
gonna
have
to
put
more
money
into
it
than
the
city
alone
can
can
do.
A
P
P
Everything
else
is
great
and
I
love
everything
else,
but
I
think
we
missed
this
piece.
We're
probably
gonna
miss
a
big
part
of
our
role
at
least
I
feel
that
way,
myself
personally
so
I'd
be
supportive
of
the
office
trade-off.
You
might
have
to
make
if
you
came
back
some
ideas
that
were
collaborative
that
may
think.
I
don't
know
about
that,
may
be
creative
in
some
ways.
So
thank
you.
Thank.
L
G
A
portion
of
that
we
could
ask
them
because
I
think
paying
people
out
of
two
different
places
is
really
difficult
school
district
in
the
city
and
if
there's
some
other
cost
that
they
already
share
with
us
that
they've
that
we
could
do
basically
in
a
matching
sense
to
our
chairs
point.
You
know
in
an
effort
to
greater
to
share
the
cost
in
a
group
to
a
greater
extent,
I
think
we.
D
Can
absolutely
explore
a
partnership
there.
I
also
think
you
know.
John
tells
me
and
I
believe
him,
because
he's
a
lot
smarter
than
I
am
that
generally
crossing
guard
work
is
handled
within
police
departments.
So
that's
another
opportunity
for
us
to
collaborate
and
partner
internally
here
at
the
city,
to
work
with
PD
to
see
if
there's
a
way
for
us
to
work
together
to
address
that
particular
issue
in
concert
with
traffic
calming
measures
and
some
of
the
other
things
that
that
we're
already
doing
because
I
think
you're,
right,
I
think
it's
it's
not
one
thing.
D
I
A
quick
piece
of
information
for
the
council,
and
that
is
that
right
now,
I
believe
that
the
crossing
guards,
while
they
relate
directly
to
transportation
and
police
they're,
actually
funded
in
public
services.
So
we
can,
as
a
staff,
bring
those
issues
forward
with
the
public
services
budget.
The
issues
that
you've
raised.
J
I
just
have
a
couple
more
questions,
but
I
think
they'll
be
quick.
The
additional
building
inspectors-
and
this
is
probably
more
for
staff
than
anyone.
I
remember
vaguely
in
my
brain
somewhere
that
we
had
talked
about
either
a
survey
or
a
study
of
developers
about
what
was
kind
of
hindering
the
process.
And
is
this
a
result
of
that
survey?
One
am
I
right
in
remembering
that
or
did
I
dream
it
cuz
I've
literally
dreamt,
but
I
already
had
this
council
meeting
last
night.
So.
D
So
I'm
gonna,
let
Orion
probably
answer
the
question
about
the
survey,
but
I
will
say
that
the
request
for
the
building
inspector
comes
from
the
fact
that
about
ten
years
ago
we
lost
three
building
inspector
positions
and
I'm
gonna
get
the
numbers
wrong
so
again,
I'll.
Let
all
that
Orion
correct
me,
but
I
think
you
know
we
like
doubled
or
tripled.
Then
birth
inspections
that
we're
doing
and
like
quadrupled
the
dollar
value
of
those
projects
over
the
course
about
10
years,
and
we
haven't
added
back
any
of
those
three.
J
Let
me
just
give
a
little
background
of
why
I'm
asking
this
is
because
I
know
that
we've
been
talking
about
streamlining
these
processes
and
and
that
that
is
where
I
sort
of
remember
this
survey,
or
at
least
talk
of
one
of
how
we
can
kind
of
streamline
this
and
and
I
want
to
make
sure
that
this
is
sort
of
a
result
of
that
of
the
idea
of
streamlining
these
processes.
Yes,.
D
D
He
came
back
and
said.
You
know
what
you
guys
are
probably
better
equipped
to
deal
with
this
and
I'm
willing
to
even
give
potentially
one
of
my
unfilled
FTEs
to
help
support
that
and
I'm
willing
to
work
through
whatever
process
it
takes
to
create
that
streamlining.
So
the
mayor
has
asked
us
to
come
back
to
her
with
a
plan
in
terms
of
what
we
need
as
far
as
resources
to
accomplish
that
which
we're
working
on.
D
H
H
It's
perience,
I
guess
the
customer
has
to
have
a
better
service
with
the
fire
and
the
building
permits,
but
I
think
it
goes
beyond
just
telling
people
that
being
very
strict
or
extremely
extra
in
a
nice
way
right.
It's
it
goes
beyond
that.
I
think
it
goes
now.
I
hope
that
this
is
just
just
a
suggestion,
but
you
know
we
start
looking
at
what
is
a
real
ball
with
with
improving
this
processes.
H
Metrics.
Are
we
trying
to
decrease
the
time
in
in
the
building
permit
process
that
things
can
happen
fast,
so
that
things
can
happen
faster
that
were
not
extremely
so
strict
that
were
hindering
projects
are
coming
online
in
Salt,
Lake
City
is
missing
opportunities
of
development
that
could
happen
faster
and
we're
losing
it
to
other
to
other
cities.
Competing
cities
in
in
you
know
in
the
region,
and
so
me
having
gone
through
the
process
with
my
business
I
think
my
experience
wasn't
good,
but
he
was
because
of
that
know
the
customer
service
wasn't
that
bad.
H
Well,
the
problem
was
his
extreme
requirements
that
may
have
been
not
necessarily
things
that
could
have
happened
easier,
I'm,
not
sure,
if
I'm
expressing
this
right.
What
I'm
trying
to
say
is
it's
not
just
about
the
customer
service
about,
are
really
looking
at
how
we
all
collaborate,
so
things
happen
a
little
bit
faster
and
if
we
need
to
be
a
little
bit
more
flexible
so
yet
so
that
we
can
reach
our
goal
or
you
know
achieve
that
goal
that
we
hope
you'll
happen
in
Salt,
Lake,
City
development,
etc.
So
yeah.
D
I
A
little
bit
on
this
issue
that
has
been
brought
up
here
with
the
permitting
that
we
just
need
some
feedback
from
the
council.
Sometimes
in
cases
like
this,
where
there's
a
really
good
idea
that
has
brought
been
brought
forward,
or
we
know
that
it's
coming
the
idea
of
consolidating
the
inspection
function,
even
though
it
wasn't
presented
with
the
mayor's
budget.
I
The
council
could
ask
us
to
work
with
the
administration
to
kind
of
pave
the
way
for
that
to
happen,
so
that
they're
not
waiting
for
a
budget
opening
or
you
know
maybe
say,
they're
ready
in
August,
but
they
would
have
to
wait
till
October
for
a
first
budget
opening
or
something
so
be
thinking
about.
Whether
you
feel
like
this
is
something
that
is
worthy
of
some
a
little
bit
of
speculating
on
the
part
of
the
administration
and
the
council
just
to
pave
the
way
for
this
to
happen
without
it
having
to
come,
come
back
so.
I
And
can
I
tell
you
why
I
think
it
is
addressing
those
community
concerns.
It's
creative,
it's
consistent
with
the
council's
audit
of
building
services
and
I.
Think
what
councilmember
valdemar's
was
talk.
Mentioning
is
in
terms
of
there's
the
strict
requirement
and
then
there's
the
alternate
means
and
methods
that
if
the
department
has
time
they
can
look
with
the
developer
and
say
yes,
you
can
achieve
it
in
that
way
and
I
know
they
do
try
to
do
a
lot
of
that,
but
they
are
rushing.
J
J
P
That's
possible
one
thing
that
was
interesting
to
me:
we're
going
to
Austin
Texas
was
the
developers
all
said:
they
had
the
most
difficult
time
working
with
the
city
period
and
it
wasn't
inhibiting
their
growth
at
all
I'm,
not
in
favor
of
making
it
more
difficult
than
possible.
But
I
I'm
also
hesitant
to
attribute
our
any
growth
problems
we
may
perceive
having
as
being
because
of
an
only
a
city
process
like
I
said:
I,
don't
want
to
us,
be
the
problem,
but
I
want
to
be
clear
and
careful
to
say.
P
Growth
for
us
will
have
to
also
be
unique
to
what
our
needs
are
here
and
the
people
were
going
to
attract
to
Salt
Lake
City
and
at
some
point
we
have
to
swing
back
and
forth
about.
We
try
make
it
as
easy
as
possible,
and
then
it
gets
maybe
too
easy
and
we
have
to
tighten
it
up.
We
have
this
sort
of
pendulum
at
times
and
I'm
a
little
where
that
I'm,
not
sure
where
we
fall.
G
I
want
to
jump
back
to
that,
because
my
comment,
part
of
my
comment,
was
after
council
members,
all
tomorrows.
That
I
think
the
the
concerns
that
maybe
we've
we've
talked
about
offline
aren't
about
necessarily
the
developers
who
are
on
the
chamber
or
the
downtown
Alliance
trip,
but
really
small
businesses
who
are
trying
to
start
up
or
trying
to
expand
and
are
having
incredible
hurdles,
incredible
hurdles
and
there's
a
there's,
a
particular
theme
of
which
inspection
or
which
inspector
it
is
that,
or
rather
the
division.
G
That
is
a
recurring
theme
and
what
is
slowing
up
the
process
so
I'm
curious
about
going
back
in
whatever
appropriate
way.
I
know
Orion
step
down,
but
and
going
back
to
the
conversation
about
the
building
services,
audit
and
seeing
I
think
the
last
time
I
had
an
update
on
that
we'd
implemented.
A
good
majority
of
the
suggested
changes.
G
Then
there's
piece
of
it
that,
for
whatever
reasons
we
did
not
need
to,
or
we
addressed
in
a
different
way
or
didn't
implement,
but
I
I
don't
feel
like
we've
really
fixed
it
yet
and
it's
the
small
businesses
that
I'm
concerned
about
I
wanted
to
transition
to
the
homelessness
piece
of
your
budget.
Is
this
time
we
could
do
that?
Yes,.
A
H
That's
just
quick
I
didn't
suggest
that
we
make
things
easier
for
for
development
to
happen,
and
then
we
have
this
growth
and
we
cannot
handle
it,
but
what
I
was
suggesting
is
to
make
it
reasonable
in
that
it
goes
with
our
goals
of
growth
in
our
city
and
the
goals
that
we
want
more
people
to
live
in
our
city
and
we
want
more
office
building.
So
we
can
have
new
companies
moving
to
to
our
city
or
district
for
in
this
case.
G
So
the
can
we
get
to
the
home
section
on
our
staff
report
would
probably
be
the
easiest
way
to
orient
to
the
questions
that
starts
at
the
bottom
of
page
3
and
right
under
the
first
under
a
homelessness.
I
have
a
little
pause
on
the
expected
reductions
in
homeless
service,
based
on
the
projected
opening
the
new
homeless
Resource
Center's,
with
that
decreased
funding,
basically
without
the
RDA
transfer
and
I'm
not
sure
that
I
want
an
already
a
transfer
necessarily
from
that
fund.
But
could
we
talk
about
that?
M
Mr.
chair,
if
I
may
answer
or
provide
it
some
thoughts
on
that
councilmember
Mendenhall
I
appreciate
your
concern.
Just
want
to
highlight
that
a
couple
of
the
obviously
we
share
your
concern
and
things
that
are
still
in
the
budget,
then
obviously
don't
see
here.
Cuz
were
the
key
changes
that
we're
still
recommending
funding
the
emergency
overflow
shelter
the
same
Vinny's
this
coming
year,
as
well
as
the
motel
vouchers
and
the
case
managers
associated
with
the
motel
vouchers,
both
for
overflow
needs
during
the
winter
months,
which
we've
funded
for
the
last
really
three
years.
M
M
The
had
their
staff
report
right
in
front
of
me,
but
the
goodwill
two
of
the
items
were
one-time
dollars
last
year
that
were
recommending
not
funding,
because
those
dollars
were
not
used
as
intended.
That's
the
goodwill
of
biking
and
the
most
program.
Oh
thank
you.
Those
were
intended
last
year
to
be
one
time
and
then
the
other
reduction
is
for
many.
Many
years
now,
when
Midvale
was
the
overflow
shelter,
only
salt
lake
city
was
supporting
the
overflow
shelter.
So
we,
every
year
when
it
comes
to
homeless
services
and
funding
for
homeless
services.
M
We
are
looking
at
what
Salt,
Lake
City's
role
and
responsibility
is,
and
we're
not
sure
that
part
of
our
role
and
responsibility
is
funding.
What
is
now
a
full-time
shelter,
Resource
Center
in
Midvale
that
has
additional
resources
that
they
did
not
have
when
they
were
only
serving
as
the
overflow.
So.
G
C
C
E
Both
of
these
were
specifically
put
in
place
because
of
the
location
of
the
shelter
and
with
that
closing,
and
the
idea
is
that
those
services
would
be
sunsetted
with
a
place
for
your
stuff
that
storage
program,
the
new
HRC's
will
have
storage
in
within
the
buildings
and
then,
additionally,
the
Portland
Lu
we're
not
exactly
sure
that
that
service
will
need
to
continue
as
well.
And
so
we
looked
to
support
both
of
those
services
for
half
of
the
year.
I'm
send
setting.
G
Understand
that
the
closure
of
aerodrome
is
sort
of
a
unknown
but
predictable
at
some
point,
I
don't
believe
that
we're
going
to
necessarily
eliminate
the
need
for
bathrooms
in
the
downtown,
immediate
downtown
area
and
I
think
that
the
I
remember
the
trip
to
San
Francisco
that
some
of
some
council
members
went
on
a
couple
of
years
ago.
That
resulted
in
the
portable
toilet
creation.
G
Conversation
now
makes
a
lot
of
sense
as
where,
as
we're
a
little
bit
unsure
about
really
where
that
need
is
going
to
be,
but
I
don't
think
the
need
is
going
to
go
away
so
I've
been
through
and-
and
you
all
have
been
through
years
of
pretty
intense
homeless
conversations
and
funding.
Conversations
and
I
always
feel
like
we
do
better
when
we
already
have
the
money
allocated
and
then
we
end
up
not
using
it.
G
Then,
when
we
have
to
do
a
emergency
budget
amendment
to
put
some
money
somewhere,
because
we've
reached
a
crisis
point
or
we're
looking
at
a
crisis
with
a
coming
storm
or
messes
on
the
streets.
So
I'm
I'm
not
quite
comfortable
yet
with
this
reduction,
and
if
you
could
help
me
understand
how
what
kind
of
a
cushion
you've
built
in
for
that
unknown
time
when
the
road
home
closes
and
the
HRC's
are
open
in
its
winter
I'm.
G
M
As
I
mentioned,
we
are
still
budgeting
for
the
emergency
shelter
which
the
overflow
emergency
shelter,
which
has
been
st.
st.
Vinnie's.
We
are
also
budgeting
for
the
motel
vouchers
that
have
been
used
as
well,
including
case
management
for
overflow,
so
I
mean
that's
what
right
now,
what
we're
anticipating
is
that
the
downtown
shelter
will
close
in
September's
the
timeframe.
That's
looking
like
right
now,
with
the
completion
of
the
10th
west,
a
single
men's
Resource,
Center,
opening
and
operating
in.
M
Think,
as
John
Schuhmann
mentioned
right
now,
we
are
budgeting
through
the
end
of
the
current
the
calendar
year.
So
December
31st
I,
understand
your
hesitation
in
terms
of
the
need
to
do
emergency
budget
amendment,
but
that
does
at
least
provide
some
cushion
to
come
back
and
evaluate
no
one
I
hope.
No
one
is
under
any
perception
that
homelessness
is
going
to
be
leaving
downtown.
M
You
obviously
still
have
many
service
providers,
including
the
rescue
mission
serving
that
area,
but
I
think
what
we're
anticipating
is
a
reduction
in
the
population
at
least,
and
so
funding
funding
the
Portland
Lu
through
the
end
of
the
year
does
give
us
some
cushioned.
You
evaluate
and
see
whether
we
do
need
to
come
back
for
a
budget
amendment.
G
M
Good
I
also
wanted
to
just
just
councilmember
your
concern
about
overall
decrease
in
funding.
I
would
actually
say
that
we'll
probably
decrease
in
terms
of
the
dollars,
but
we're
actually
probably
increasing
funding.
So
what
you
don't
see
here
is
the
two
hundred
eight
thousand
dollars
that
we
received
in
the
state
grant,
which
is
for
outreach
and
neighborhood
the
community
building
in
the
new
neighborhoods
were
the
new
resource.
M
Centers
will
go
and
also
what
we're
allocating
here
with
the
repurposing
of
operation,
diversion
funding
for
the
street
outreach
pilot
with
Volunteers
of
America,
which
is
really
designed
to
work
directly
with
the
hardest
and
most
service
resistant
population
of
individuals
experiencing
homelessness.
I.
A
Want
to
chime
in
on
and
with
what
councilmember
Mendenhall's
concerns
were
I
I
have
those
same
concerns,
I
know
when
we
funded
the
toileting
services
a
few
years
ago.
I
mean
that
was
a
that
was
a
big
lift
to
find
that
much
money
in
the
budget
to
put
into
it,
and
it
has
helped
I,
don't
think
it's.
You
know
fixed
everything,
but
you
know
it's
work.
A
What
I'm
worried
about
is
with
this.
With
these
budget
reductions
that
have
been
proposed,
we
are
digging
a
hole
for
something
that
put
could
potential.
We
happen
and
we're
basing
we're
basing
these
decisions
off,
of
an
assumption
of
hope
that
we
have,
which
means
come
December
if
there's
an
issue
all
of
a
sudden
we're
going
to
be
scrambling
to
try
to
find
money
somewhere
to
plug
back
in
to
keep
these
services
going.
I
have
some
serious
concern
about
that.
I.
A
Do
think
that
you
know
the
time
to
make
adjustments
to
our
homeless
service
model
is
after
the
shelters
are
opened
when
we
know
what
that
cost
is
going
to
be,
because
we
all
know
that
you
know
we
are
gonna
have
to
revisit
some
of
these
funding
decisions.
We
that's
just
part
of
it
as
that,
as
as
the
dynamic
changes.
What
I'm
worried
about,
though,
is
that
we're
making
those
decisions
before
the
dynamic
changes,
knowing
knowing
that
we
don't
understand
how
that
dynamic
is
going
to
look
so.
A
G
P
M
M
Are
starting
to
have
that
discussion
so
in
a
recent
meeting
of
the
transition
steering
committee
they're
starting
to
talk
about
that
I,
don't
feel
that
right
now
the
state
has
a
plan
in
terms
of
that,
which
is
why
we
felt
very
strongly
about
keeping
that
funding
in
the
budget
for
this
upcoming
year.
Okay,
but
the
but
I
to
the
state's
credit
and
and
and
part
of
that
conversation
is.
The
state
recognizes
understand
that
going
back
to
three
years
now.
M
P
It
up
because
I
think
there's
a
the
the
city
has
a
role
to
play
to
fund
some
things.
I
think
the
question
for
the
city
is
once
we're
through
this
initial
transition,
targeting
the
funds
to
things
that
may
be
more
proactive,
I
think
some
of
the
transition
right
now
I'm
encouraged
by
to
look
at
outreach,
some
more
to
look
at
some
other
things.
I
do
agree,
I
think
with
my
my
council,
members
that
ending
it
mid-year
may
prove
problematic
unless
the
intention
was
to
reallocate
other
funds
that
aren't
you
say,
st.
Vinnie's
to
offset
that.
P
M
P
Tried
to
be
careful
sort
of
to
say
the
city
has
a
role
to
play.
I
also
don't
want
to
make
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we
are
being
good
partners
for
the
state
of
Utah
and
also
not
necessarily
continuing
to
take
on
that
role
continually,
because
I
think
their
responsibility
was
to
take
the
lead
and
figuring
out
the
overflow
needs.
So
it's
a
tricky
balance,
I
think
you're
playing
that's
accurate.
Yes,.
M
Yes,
mr.
chair
may
I
also
say
so
one
of
the
positions
that
that
we're
also
asking
whether
they
have
to
ease
in
hand
to
comes
member
Johnston's
point
we
are
always,
as
should
always
examining
and
re-examining
what
Salt
Lake
City's
role
is,
particularly
when
it
comes
to
funding
services
for
people
experiencing
homelessness
and
to
help
us
think
more
strategically
about
that
and
to
help
manage
the
efforts
currently
within
housing.
M
Neighborhood
Development,
we
are,
the
mayor
is
recommending
a
homeless
services
program
management
really
designed
to
be
at
the
policy
level
to
help
us
strategize
and
to
be
more
forward-thinking
and
proactive
and
constantly
again
examining
what
the
city's
role
is.
But
how
that
is
constantly
evolving.
J
J
J
That
third
went
down
the
land
discounts
in
financing.
It's
there
a
way
to
get
a
breakdown
of
where
that
2.1
million
dollars
went
in
2018,
2019
I
think
there
was
somewhat
of
a
presentation,
but
if
we
can
just
sort
of
break
it
down
and
see
how
many
units
that
derived
and
I
know
it
shouldn't
I,
please
I.
If
you
want
to
maybe
coordinate
with
our
staff,
if
there's
anything,
I
know
what
that
we're
kind
of
throwing
work
at
you
at
the
last
minute.
J
But
it
would
be
helpful
for
me
to
see
that
as
we
look
at
that
other
to
the
what's
now
proposed
to
be
2.5
million
and
I,
think
that
is
where
the
RDA
money
go.
I
just
need
a
little
bit
more
understanding
there,
so
that
comes
up
to
you
know
almost
close
to
three
million
dollars.
Two
point
750,000
right.
J
J
Q
For
me,
it's
interesting
and
looking
at
the
funding,
our
futures
money
and
how
it's
being
allocated
and
I
feel
like.
We
need
to
start
looking
down
the
road
on
a
lot
of
these
issues.
For
example,
if
some
of
these
pilot
programs
don't
work
out,
what's
what's
the
funding
policy
that
we're
gonna,
look
at
you
know
reallocating
for
me,
I
didn't
have
an
issue
at
all:
funding
the
23
or
27
police
officers.
Last
year,
I
didn't
have
a
problem.
Q
Funding
them
with
funding
our
futures,
but
I
do
have
an
issue
in
looking
at
salary
increases
the
cola,
the
cost-of-living
increase
every
year,
so
I
think
that's
something
that
we
need
to
discuss
as
a
policy
as
this
board,
as
well
as
saying
hey,
is
this
something
that
we're
gonna
be
using
funding
our
futures
money
for
to
do
the
salary
increases
and
for
me
I?
Don't
that
should
not
be
coming
out
of
funding
our
futures?
Q
My
second
issue:
it's
not
really
an
issue.
It's
more
of
this
down
the
road!
Look!
You
know
this
bigger
picture
where
we
have
10%
of
affordable
housing,
money
being
given
to
the
Salt
Lake
City
RDA,
with
the
northwest
quadrant
the
inland
port,
and
that's
another
thing
that
we
need
to
look
at
I
mean
this
there's
so
much
money
coming
in
for
housing.
Now
is
this
really,
you
know
two
three
years
down
the
road
once
that
money
starts
coming
in,
is
that
what
we
want
to
be
doing
is
using
funding
our
futures
for
housing.
Q
I
mean
we're.
Gonna
have
a
lot
of
housing
money
coming
in
and
I.
Think
that's
for
me.
It's
really
important
that
we
start
looking
at
that.
What
is
the
projections
looking
at
for
that
affordability,
the
money
coming
back
to
us
for
affordable
housing,
I,
don't
know
that's
not
in
your
departments
in
RDA,
but
I
would
like
our
our
staff
to
work
with
both
staffs
to
figure
out.
You
know
looking
for
a
bigger
picture
down
the
road,
how
we're
going
to
do
an
exit
strategy.
Q
Q
M
Just
on
the
broad
funding,
our
future,
that
customer
Rogers,
I,
appreciate
and
I
know,
the
administration
will
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
have
that
policy
discussion.
You
mentioned
the
salary
for
police.
That
policy
discussion
is
very
welcomed.
This
year's
budget
is
is
modeled
after
last
year's
budget
and
so
I
know.
All
of
this
is
new
to
us,
and
so
last
year,
in
addition
to
the
27
officers,
we
also
funded
salary
increases
through
funding
our
future.
Q
I
think
the
reason
why
it
is
always
on
the
tip
of
my
tongue
with
regards
to
this
is
because,
when
I
came
on
board
that
first
year,
when
I
was
first
elected,
that
first
year
was
after
the
property
tax
increase
and
the
whole
intent
of
that
property
tax
increase
was
not
to
be
used
to
increase
salaries,
and
it
was
so
I'm.
Not
that
was
a
completely
different
administration
and
for
me,
that's
always
been
on
my
forefront.
Is
that
of
my
mind?
Q
M
In
for
us,
I
I
know
that's
in
putting
together
this
the
funding,
our
future
budget,
the
intent
with
the
public
and
being
true
to
the
engagement
with
the
public
in
all
those
four
key
areas
has
been
very
important
and
I
think
we
would
agree
that
at
some
point
to
reevaluate
the
priorities
with
our
community,
you
know
all
the
streets
are
fixed
now.
So
what
do
we
do?
Right?
I
mean
our
housing
problem
is
solved
now,
so
what
snacks
I
mean?
M
A
D
A
A
The
next
item
is
item
number
three.
In
our
agenda,
the
fiscal
year
2019
20
budgets
for
the
police
department
so
been
blood
key.
Is
the
council
policy
analyst
who
will
be
leading
this
discussion?
Chief
Brown
is
here
and
as
well
as
chief
doubt,
so
they
will
both
be
at
the
table
and
for
those
of
you
playing
at
home
item
number
four
on
the
agenda:
the
proposed
compensation
for
city
employees.
We
have
postponed
that
portion
of
our
meeting
to
a
later
meeting.
A
O
R
Been
that
wasn't
long
enough,
Thank
You
counsel,
it's
a
pleasure
to
be
here
this
afternoon,
those
beautiful
graphics
and
maps
and
things
that
you
had
before
that
council
men
remember:
Mendenhall
was
talking
about.
That's
not
us.
Okay,
we're
just
graphs
in
charge.
We're
cops
were
very
simple.
So,
let's
just
just
to
kind
of
recap
our
budget
and
talk
about
some
of
the
basics,
our
fiscal
year.
2020
budget
is
eighty
two
million
five
hundred
and
twelve
two
hundred
and
eighty-one
dollars.
That's
a
lot
of
money.
R
But
when
you
look
at
the
breakdown
92.5
of
that
or
76
million
is
personnel,
2.8
million
or
%
is
supplies
and
then
four
point.
Seven
percent
is
services
or
three
point:
nine
million
dollars.
The
bulk
of
our
budget
is
our
personnel
and
our
staffing,
because
the
cars
don't
drive
themselves,
the
radios
don't
answer
themselves,
I
mean
everything
we
do
is
service
based
and
it's
dependent
upon
the
women
and
men
of
the
Salt
Lake
City
Police
Department.
So
that
kind
of
gives
you
a
perspective.
R
It's
a
big
pie,
but
a
very
small
sliver
is
really
supplies
in
our
services.
Most
of
it
is
personnel.
If
you
go
to
the
second
slide,
you
can
see
that
in
from
fiscal
year
2019
to
fiscal
year
to
2020
we
had
an
increase
of
11.6
million
dollars
or
a
16.4%
increase,
that's
substantial!
But
what
is
driving
that
biggest
increase
is
the
Salt
Lake
City
Airport
division,
we've
merged
with
the
airport,
and
that
increase
is
8.2
million
dollars
or
11.6.
R
The
real
increase
that
should
be
looked
at
is
the
the
increase
of
four
point
eight
or
about
five
percent
to
our
budget.
This
year,
when
you
look
at
the
airport
budget,
just
as
a
quick
overview
again,
their
budget
is
very
much
is
very
heavy
into
the
staff
and
personnel
component.
Seven
point:
seven
million
dollars
of
their
their
budget
is
there
or
our
budget
now
is
staffing.
The
small
piece
of
that
is
almost
a
half
million
dollars
for
supplies
and
and
O&M.
R
R
Last
year
the
27
new
police
officers
that
we
acquired
that's
1.5
million.
The
tax
option
for
equipment
was
280,000.
The
public
safety
survivors
trust
fund.
That's
new
this
year.
That's
47,000
that
that
we,
we
are
now
encumbered
to
pay
to
the
state
police
officers,
overtime,
$34,000,
but
that
is
a
metro,
BLM
contract
overtime
that
will
be
reimbursed
to
us
and
then
we
did
have
some
savings
and
our
fuel
cost
savings
and
moving
some
of
our
software
cost.
Ims.
R
Funding
our
future
for
fiscal
year
2020,
the
Salt
Lake
City
PD
allocation
is
13
million
dollars
now,
5.9
of
that
5.9
million
is
from
the
fiscal
year
2018
2019
and
that
breaks
down
to
the
1.8
million
for
our
27
new
officers.
Three
hundred
and
fifty-two
thousand
dollars
for
equipment,
858
thousand
dollars
for
our
13
civilian
FTEs
and
2.9
million
dollars
for
our
salary
increase
for
all
PD.
R
Going
to
the
next
slide
funding
our
future
for
2020
is
7
point
1
million
dollars,
four
point
or
4
million
of
that
is
for
our
new
police,
hybrid
sedans.
1.6
million
is
for
the
23
new
officer,
FTEs
512
thousand
or
for
our
body
camera
initiative
and
I'll.
Let
chief
Dowd
talk
about
that
for
just
a
minute,
so.
S
Our
plan
is
we,
we,
our
body,
cameras,
were
purchased
with
year
in
funds,
year
after
year
after
year
and
they're
not
on
single
contract
they're
on
different
contracts
with
the
same
company,
but
they're
all
out
of
warranty
and
expiring,
and
starting
to
die
and
activate.
So
we
purchased
a
hundred
cameras
last
year
on
what
we
call
the.
S
It
also
includes
unlimited
storage
for
data
and
and
then
it
also
has
the
the
ability
to
auto
activate
when
you
initiate
emergency
equipment,
such
as
your
light
bar
or
pull
your
fault,
your
firearm
or
a
Taser
out
of
the
holster,
and
then
one
other
feature
is
is
with
this
particular
company
and
some
other
companies.
But
if
I
activate
my
body
camera,
it
will
activate
everybody
around
me
as
well,
so
we
want
to.
We
want
it
with
this
money.
We
want
to
purchase
four
hundred
more
cameras
for
the
rest
of
the
department.
A
R
And
some
of
our
old
cameras-
they're
first
generation,
they're
old,
they're,
antiquated
the
batteries-
don't
make
it
through
an
entire
shift.
Some
of
the
wiring
is
getting
real,
brittle
and
old.
So
this
would.
This
is
very
much
needed,
and
this
is
this
is
the
right
side
of
history
for
a
police
department
to
be
on.
This
can
seem
rewarding.
K
R
D
S
S
A
Thank
you,
I
didn't
have
my
mic
on,
so
my
questions
are
about
the
police,
hybrid
sedan
initiative
and
Ben.
I
know
that
you
sent
something
but
I,
don't
recall
what
it
can
you
remind
us
what
so
last
week,
I
asked
what
how
many
hybrids
were
able
to
fund
with
that
four
million
dollars
and
then
of
our
regular
either
Crown,
Victorias
or
I,
don't
know
we're
driving
now.
But
what
are
you
guys
driving
everything
we
heard.
A
R
The
four
point:
the
four
million
dollars-
will
buy
approximately
a
hundred
and
ten
of
the
hybrid
responders,
and
these
are
Ford
vehicles
that
are
designed
by
their
police
engineering
team.
These
are
built
to
be
police
cars,
their
pursuit
rated.
So
as
far
as
how
many
hybrids
we
have
in
the
police
department,
do
you
have
any
idea?
Maybe.
S
A
O
This
is
also
a
question.
Staff
is
following
up
on
for
the
fleet
fund,
which
is
scheduled
for
a
budget
briefing
on
June
4th,
okay,
so
we're
trying
to
tease
out
how
many
vehicles,
if
it
was
just
a
regular
internal
combustion
engine
versus
the
sedan
hybrid
versus
an
SUV
since
all
of
those
were
evaluated
by
the
fleet
committee.
Mr.
S
A
Yeah,
if
you
could
get
those
to
us,
that
would
be
helpful.
I'm
not
I'm,
not
opposed
to
the
hybrid
program
as
long
as
they
operate.
You
know
you
have
pursuit
ability
and
some
of
the
other
things
that
you
know
have
been
concerning
with
hybrids
in
the
past.
So
but
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
you
know
yeah.
We
actually
have.
O
G
R
A
R
Another
thing
they
were
telling
me
about
is
the
new
responders
would
have
a
three
year,
powertrain
warranty
and
then
a
five
year
bumper-to-bumper.
So
a
lot
of
the
things
that
we
are
sending
cars
for
maintenance
and
repairs
would
be
covered
under
warranty
two
and
then
the
resale
value
would
be
a
lot
a
lot
stronger
at
five
years,
as
opposed
to
10
chief.
G
R
R
G
I've
seen
totally
packed
vehicles
at
community
council
meetings
and
they
see
some
that
seem
fairly
empty,
so
I'm
just
wondering
about
how
I
get
the
fleet
maintains
that
turnover
list
from
a
mechanical
or
cost
standpoint
and
I
wonder
how
what
we
might
hear
from
patrol
later
about
I
can't
fit
in
my
vehicle,
whether
it's
it's
their
body
or
their
stuff.
But
these
are
pretty
small
compared
to
some
of
the
larger
crossover.
As
you
know,
they're.
R
Not
as
big
as
SUVs,
but
we
did
have
one
mocked
up
with
a
cage
in
the
back
of
it
and
they
brought
it
over
I'm
6,
foot,
2
and
I
got
into
the
car
and
had
to
move
the
seat
forward
to
be
able
to
reach
the
pedals,
so
they
were
bigger
than
what
we're
driving
now
with
standard
cages.
So
I'd
like
to
get
this
mocked
up
and
let
people
look
at
it
and
and
give
it
a
go
over.
Ok,.
E
R
G
I
guess
what
I
want
to
hear
is
that
it's
not
just
fleet,
that's
gonna,
look
at
the
list
of
vehicles
and
the
PD
fleet
and
say
here's
the
ones
you're
gonna
get
rid
of,
but
that
there's
a
dialogue
between
your
needs
and
your
officers
needs
and
the
fleet
list
of
which
ones
to
get
to
push
out.
If
this
hundred
and
ten
new
ones
happen,
I'm.
A
Before
you
move
on
from
fleet
one
other
discussion
that
I
know
this
account's-
oh
we've
we've,
some
of
us
have
talked
about
and
we'll
probably
talk
about
later
this
year
after
the
budgets
over.
Is
the
policy
of
police
take
them
vehicles?
Are
you
tracking?
You
know
how
many
miles
are
driven
both
you
know
on
shift,
but
when,
if
somebody
is
using
their
take-home
vehicle,
you
know
it's
one
thing.
A
F
S
Then
we
audit
that
every
month
and
usually
the
top
five
people
their
commanders
go
in
and
find
out
why
they're,
using
if
they're
outside
the
norm
and
usually
it's
just
one
or
two
people
outside
the
norm,
and
they
have
some
kind
of
some
kind
of
unacceptable
reason
for
that.
But
we
do
track
that.
We
do
monitor
that.
Okay.
A
And
I
want
to
be
I
want
to
be
fair
to
you
know
those
officers
who
do
live
in
or
closer
to
Salt
Lake,
because
I
know
that
you
know
it
in
a
lot
of
departments.
We're
seeing
you
know
employees
living
further
and
further
away
from
their
place
of
employment.
And
you
know
that's
fine.
It's
a
decision
that
you
know
everyone
is
going
to
have
to
make
and
I
would
never
say
that
you
know
we
need
to
had
have
a
mandatory
policy
that
all
police
officers
need
to
live
in
the
city.
A
A
You
know
off-duty
mileage
we're
talking
or
gallons
used,
and
you
know
you
may
want
it
or
we
may
want
you
to
look
at
a
different
monitoring
system,
because
you
know,
if
I'm,
all
for
read
evaluating
that
program
and
and
making
it
more
effective
and
and
work
better
for
all
of
our
officers.
But
at
the
same
time,
I
just
I
think
we
need
to
be
realistic
about
you,
know,
lifestyle
choices
and
where
people
are
living
and
and
what
what
that
means
to.
R
We
by
city
ordinance,
we
don't,
we
adhere
to
the
35
mile
rule,
and
so
nobody
that
lives
further
than
35
miles
can
take
their
car
home.
And
to
my
knowledge,
there
are
no
exceptions.
To
that,
I
mean
the
whole
reason
for
the
take-home
car
was
to
be
respond
back
to
an
emergency.
If
somebody
lives
4050
miles
away
them,
responding
back
is
an
hour-and-a-half
driver.
You
know
that's
just
not
practical,
so.
A
R
S
S
O
Thank
you
for
additional
context.
Mr.
charity
officers
who
live
in
the
city
are
not
not
charged
at
all
for
taking
home
their
vehicle,
given
the
perceived
intangible
benefits
of
having
that
vehicle
in
neighborhoods
in
the
city,
the
amount
that
is
charged
to
the
officer
when
they
live
outside,
but
within
the
35
miles
that
fee
has
been
fixed
for
ten
years,
it
has
never
been
increased.
O
G
G
We've
had,
as
you
know,
a
lot
of
public
comment
from
police
officers
in
the
last
month
or
two
a
couple
months
really
and
I'm
curious
to
know
if
it's
possible
to
get
that
information
about
the
comparison
of
the
take
home
fee
and
I
appreciate
last
year.
The
evaluation
you
did
with
our
Police
Department
versus
the
unified
but
I
also
there's
other
police
departments.
That
I
think
are
competing,
we're
competing
with
to
retain
our
officers
and
I
I'd
like
to
know
about
the
take
home
fee.
Comparison
we'll.
P
R
R
We
we
have
the
20
unfunded
that
we
use
every
chance
we
can
to
over
hire
and
to
kind
of
pad
our
numbers,
because
by
the
time
we
get
some
class
hired
and
then
to
the
street,
we've
lost
so
many
through
different
retirements.
So
that's
it's
very
helpful.
The
airport
brought
66
additional
officers
for
a
total
of
589.
Now,
there's
one
grant
funded
position,
that's
not
on
there.
So
we
really
have
590
civilian
there's
120
at
the
Salt
Lake
City
Police
Department.
R
R
R
I
would
like
to
take
and
make
five
of
those
into
a
Park
squad
and
deploy
them
as
needed,
hopefully
into
our
largest
parks
based
on
time
of
usage,
and
when
we
need
to
be
there,
an
Intel
led
policing
model
a
community
model,
but
I
would
like
to
take
that
squad
and
focus
them
and
keep
them
in
the
parks
of
Salt
Lake.
City
now
doesn't
mean
they
need
to
focus
on
the
biggest
the
five
largest
parks.
They
could
go,
the
Jordan
River
Trail.
They
could
go
any
pocket
park
or
any
any
park.
R
G
There
did
a
survey
probably
18
months
ago
now
or
about
a
year
to
18
months
ago
and
had
almost
500
residents
respond
around
what
would
increase
quality
of
experience
and
safety
feel
like
in
Liberty,
Park
and
and
how
does
and
and
it
basically
asked
for
a
park
ranger
what
were
the
results
of
it?
But
it
was
more
of
a
park.
Ranger
feel-
and
it
was
one
of
the
themes
in
that
community
feedback-
was
that
it's
not
an
officer
in
officer
uniform
that
that
creates
a
different
experience
of
park,
interaction
and
I.
G
Think
in
my
memory
a
big
piece
of
that
theme
is
that
of
all
the
different
populations
that
access
our
parks,
the
relationship,
different
demographics
and
police
officers
vary,
and
so
the
desire
was
to
have
more
of
a
park.
Ranger
feel
presence
in
the
park.
But
someone
who
is
able
to
who's?
What
do
you
call
it
post
certified?
Who
can
act
as
an
officer
if
needs
be
yeah.
R
Councilmember
I
I,
completely
agree:
I
think
they
have
to
be
post
certified
because
when
you
need
a
police
officer,
you
need
a
police
officer.
If
you
go
back
in
history,
the
Eastside
Liberty
Park
squad,
that
was
the
Park
squad.
We
had
a
Park
squad
before
it
was
called
the
Park
squad
and
they
focused
on
a
lot
of
the
issues
that
were
at
that
time
coming
up
in
in
Liberty
Park.
But
I
would
like
to
keep
them
in
a
police.
R
Uniform
I'd
like
to
have
them
have
a
police
car
ride
a
bike,
but
they
could
be
very
much
community
policing
in
the
parks
that
we
work.
The
reason
for
that
is
when
you
need
a
police
officer
or
when
you're
taking
commands
from
a
police
officer
I,
don't
want
anybody
to
think
that
this
is
not
a
police
officer
and
then,
if
we
had
to
strategically
use
our
other
bike
squads,
they
all
would
look
the
same
I'm
thinking
that
they
could
I
mean
our
police
officers
work,
the
parks
they
work
everywhere.
R
G
I
I
don't
need
to
make
up
the
answer
to
that.
There's
been
a
lot
of
research
nationally
on
different
demographics
and
people,
different
racial
backgrounds
who
have
different
relationships
with
with
a
police
officer
or
the
presence
of
a
police
officer,
and
we
know
that
the
use
of
our
parks
by
different
demographics
varies
quite
a
bit
actually
that
we
have
people
using
our
parks
at
at
different
rates
from
different
demographics,
and
so
I
do
think
it
matters
well.
G
I
feel
safe,
walking
up
to
a
bike
squad
officer,
I'm,
not
sure
that
everyone
in
district
5
does
and
so
I
think
that
was
part
of
what
the
community
is
asking
for
is
but
I
understand
your
your
piece
of
out
saying.
If
they're
gonna
give
you
directives
as
a
in
a
police
officer
situation
in
the
park,
then
you
don't
want
someone
to
question
their
authority
to
do
so.
Yeah.
R
K
I
just
want
to
tackle
that
as
well,
that
that's
definitely
the
sentiment,
I
think
in
many
residents
and
district
trees
that
they
are
comfortable
approaching
officers,
but
but
not
all
and
I
know
that
it's
not
all
and
when
we
talk
about
opening
up.
However,
many
miles
of
trail
that
we're
gonna
open
with
rolling
out
our
trail,
the
master
plan
and
the
discussion
about
Park
Rangers
has
been
different
than
having
somebody
different
than
a
uniformed
officer
and
so
I
think
we
might
need
to
have
a
whole
separate
briefing
and
small
group
meetings
about
that
issue.
K
J
Agree,
100%
and
I'd
rather
take
the
funding
for
those
five
officers
and
put
it
in
a
program
where
we
can
act
like.
We
know
that
the
Ambassador
to
program
what
the
DTA
works.
Clearly,
we
don't
have
that
as
a
parks,
type
of
idea,
but
I
would
much
rather
take
those
that
funding
for
those
five
officers
and
put
it
towards
an
actual
parks.
Ranger
program.
My
residents
feel
comfortable.
J
I
have
kids
that
skate
at
the
skate
park.
That
would
not
feel
comfortable
going
up
to
a
police
officer
norm.
I
actually
think-
and
this
is
no
offense
to
you
and
the
work
that
you
guys
do.
There
is
just
different
dynamics
and
we
know
that
there
are
studies
out
there
that
say
this,
and
we
know
that
it
is
just
a
reality
that
I
believe
there
would
be
demographics
that
stop
using
my
parts.
Demographics
that
I
like
having
used
my
parks,
like
my
young,
skate
kids
that
are
over
there.
J
That
wouldn't
probably
want
to
hang
out
if
they
saw
a
police
officer,
but
would
be
okay
with
a
park
ranger
walking
through
because
of
their
own
experiences,
and-
and
that
is
not
to
judge
the
police
department
and
it's
certainly
not
to
judge
judge
our
community
members.
It's
just
reality
and
I
think
you're.
J
Absolutely
right
that
when
you
need
a
police
officer,
you
need
a
police
officer,
but
I
mean
it
seems
to
me
that
if
these
part
Ranger
programs
have
been
shown
to
work
in
deterring
some
of
that
criminal
activity
and
to
providing
some
assistance,
then
they
can
also
call
9-1-1.
And
we
would
hope
that
you
would
be
able
to
get
there
quickly,
especially
with
more
of
a
presence
with
all
of
these
new
officers
that
we're
adding
to
it
and
with
your
goal
of
having
a
45
percent
break
call
rate.
I
think
is,
but
whatever
it
was.
H
Think
I
am
with
my
peers
as
well.
I
just
want
to
be
with
all
of
you
guys
and
I.
Think
having
that
park.
Ranger
feel,
especially
you
know
in
Pioneer.
Park
would
really
give
an
opportunity
for
Pioneer
Park
visitors
to
feel
more
comfortable
to
be
there,
and
so
it's
worth
looking
at
and
how
it's
going
to
look
like,
but
given
what
you've
proposed
here,
you
have
one
sergeant
and
five
officers,
and
you
said
you're
gonna
focus
on
five
parks.
H
R
I
think
it's
going
to
be
all
cars.
It's
going
to
be
bikes,
it's
going
to
be
different,
it's
going
to
be
all
modes
of
transportation
and
and
I
think
a
lot
of
it
is
going
to
have
to
be
driven
by
the
intelligence
and
and
and
when
we
need
to
have
officers
in
the
park.
Some
parks
are
are
heavily
used
on
Sunday.
Some
parks
are
you
know
in
the
afternoons
when
kids
are
there,
whatever
they
but
I?
Think
we
need
to
look
at
I
mean
those
are
the
main
parks.
R
But
my
point
was:
there
are
67
parks
across
the
city
that
probably
could
use
some
attention
if,
if
there
are
problems,
so
I
would
say
that
we
I
mean
that's
only
it's
only
six
officers,
it's
not
a
lot
and
so
I
think
it
needs
to
be
very
strategic
and
when
they
go
right
now
the
city
is
funding
police
officers
to
work
in
our
parks.
We
have
an
Eastside,
Park
overtime
squad
of
two
officers.
R
H
P
Thanks
chief,
what
would
happen
to
the
existing
off
to
the
officers
you're
talking
about
under
this
new
proposal?
Would
you
continue
with
that
as
well,
or
it's
just
supplementing
that
completely
completely
anything,
it's
happening
now
would
go
away,
and
this
would
be
replacing
that
in
the
parks
right.
R
But,
but
if
we,
if
we
receive
the
funding
for
the
23,
we're
probably
ten
months
away
from
having
those
officers
ready
to
go,
and
so
in
the
interim
I'd
like
we
have
$40,000
from
DWR
that
we
would
like
to
continue
to
use
on
the
Jordan,
River,
Trail
and
then
I've
talked
to
Lisa
Schaeffer
and
had
some
some
conversations
but
I.
Think
I
in
the
interim
I
would
still
like
to
continue
with
those
overtime
squads
mm-hmm
until
we
can
get
this
this
program
up
and
running
in
the
spring.
Okay,.
P
I
appreciate
the
direction
you're
going
and
I
echo.
My
colleagues
sentiments
I,
think
you've
done
a
good
job
of
trying
to
reach
out
to
minority
populations
and
low-income
populations
in
my
neighborhoods
I
appreciate
that,
and
you
also
recognize,
there's
still
a
disconnect
in
some
ways
and
it's
gonna
take
more
time.
Obviously
this
is
not
an
easy
thing
to
work
with.
So
I
think
there
is
gonna,
be
some
concern
of
having
you
know
for
in
some
areas
of
my
district,
more
often
as
much
as
they
want
security,
there's
an
ambivalent
kind
of
behavior
about
it
right.
P
The
second
piece
that
I'd
like
to
hear
more
about
is,
if
they're
uniformed
officers,
how
part
of
the
public
perception
of
safety
is
a
perception
issue.
Do
they
see
them
and
I
know
we
use
CompStat
another
things
to
target
resources
where
we
need
them
at
the
time
which
is
important,
but
it
also
means
hotspots
didn't
get
a
lot
of
attention,
but
we
may
not
have
that
sort
of
presence
of
the
feel
of
safety
in
some
of
the
parks,
even
in
sort
of
off
hours,
that
makes
people
more
comfortable.
P
The
second
question,
along
with
that,
is,
if
they're
not
in
a
different,
uniform
or
something
that
designates
the
Park
Rangers.
How
does
the
public
differentiate
between
just
an
officer
on
patrol
going
through
a
park
versus
somebody
who's,
a
ranger
who
is
assigned
there?
We
really
see
in
a
different
way.
Does
that
make
sense?
Mm-Hmm,
that's
just
a
question.
I,
don't
know
the
answer:
if
they're
not
uniform
differently
or
something
along
those
lines,
I
don't
know
the
trade-off
either.
P
R
R
And
I
get
I
can
appreciate
your
comments
and
thank
you
I,
just
that
that
kind
of
speaks
to
some
of
my
concern,
there's
only
six
of
them,
and
so,
if
they
can't
be
everywhere
all
the
time,
it's
going
to
be
beat
cops
and
bike
squads
in
there.
That's.
That
was
my
reason
for
trying
to
maintain
some
consistency
in
the
parks
and,
like
I,
say
the
Ranger
squad.
R
We
can
certainly
look
at
it.
We've
we've
got
ten
and
a
half
months
to
decide
what
it's
going
to
be
and
how
it's
going
to
be
deployed.
But
my
thoughts
were
for
consistency.
It
was
kind
of
the
same
thing.
We
did
it
at
the
airport.
We
we
re
uniformed
them,
so
they
looked
exactly
like
so
so,
and
just
the
mere
presence
of
a
police
officer
sometimes
will
will
curb
a
lot
of
criminal
activity.
P
I
think
in
the
I,
like
the
direction
you're
going
I
support
it
I
do
want
to
have
that
ongoing
discussion,
particularly
I'll,
say
just
the
west
side
is
a
general
statement,
I'm
just
knowing
that
we
have
a
majority
minority
population
over
there.
They
have
a
different
ambiguity
about
police
officers,
sometimes
and
make
sure
we
do
more
outreach
and
get
some
feedback
about
the
Jordan
River
Jordan
Park.
Some
of
those
parks
may
have
a
slightly
different
feel
in
need.
P
A
So
on
this
on
the
parks,
quad
Ranger
issue,
it
sounds
like
there's,
you
know,
the
majority
of
the
council
seems
to
be
in
a
different
spot
from
what
has
been
proposed.
So
the
question
then
that
I
have
for
my
colleagues
is
if
that
is
the
case,
if
the
majority
is
looking
at
wanting
non-uniform
police
I
would
have
a
very
very
hard
time
asking
our
police
officers
to
put
on
either
a
park
uniform
or
going
undercover.
A
The
job
of
a
police
officer
is
to
be
a
police
officer
if
we
want
to.
If
we
want
to
look
at
creating
a
Park
squad,
then
that
is
a
discussion
that
I'm
more
than
happy
to
have,
but
I
think
it's
unfair
to
put
it
on
the
police
department
to
try
to
figure
I
mean.
We've
asked
the
police
department
to
figure
out
what
the
part
what
their
Park
solution
is.
This
is
the
solution
that
they've
have
come
up
with.
A
R
A
I
I
mean
I.
Remember
when
we're
having
that
discussion
and
it
was
initially
about
police,
but
then
it
was
kind
of
Moria
like
well.
We
want
police,
but
we
don't
want
you
to
be
police
I,
don't
think
that
works.
It's
not
fair
to
your
your
people.
So
you
know
if
we
want
to
have
a
ranger
discussion.
Let's
have
a
ranger
discussion.
K
Maybe
two
now
I
mean
I,
know
you're,
saying
six,
and
that
is
a
lot
for
six
officers
to
cover,
but
that's
significantly
more
than
what
was
represented
to
me
would
even
be
considered
under
the
plan
and
that
this
wasn't
on
duty
officers.
This
was
in.
In
addition,
we
would
hire
off-duty
officers
and
offer
that
to
them
first,
but
but
I
guess
to
answer
your
question,
I'm
saying:
yes,
we
you're
correct.
We
need
to
have
a
different
discussion
about
this,
and
no.
This
is
not
the
program
that
was
asked
for.
J
Just
to
that,
I
was
in
the
same
meeting
with
Chris
when
we
had
a
previous
update,
and
it
was
different
than
this
looks
like
and
I.
Certainly
don't
want
you,
chief
Brown,
our
chief
doubt
I
appreciate
you
taking
the
effort
to
try
to
solve
the
problem
that
I
do
believe,
just
sort
of
landed
in
your
lap
but
I'm
with
Chris,
and
the
fact
that
this
just
isn't
what
my
residents
would
want.
J
I
think
that
you
do
have
some
police
officers
that
still
patrol
via
bike
on
some
of
our
parts
and-
and
that
is
a
benefit
to
see
that
and
that
presents
some
times
but
having
a
presence.
There
was
this
idea
in
the
discussion
that
I
remember
having
and
was
a
part
of
was
more
of
a
park.
Ranger
idea,
less
of
a
police
officer,
but
again
so
I'm,
just
I'm,
just
agreeing
with
with
councilmember
Wharton
and
saying
I
appreciate
you
taking
the
time
to
try
to
solve
this
problem.
J
A
A
P
Creating
a
new
program
without
any
plan
for
funding,
for
that
is
problematic
to
me.
I
agree,
I,
don't
know
where
it
lands,
which
way
I
go
on
the
police
versus
a
non
officer.
Responsibilities.
I.
Think
for
my
issue.
Right
now
is
that
I
think
the
police
offer
the
right
need.
I
have
on
the
Jordan
Parkway
in
some
of
my
parks.
I
think
the
problem
is:
is
that
there's
a
perception
issue
with
a
lot
of
communities
of
color
in
my
neighborhood
and
it's
it's
something
that's
being
worked
on.
P
That's
been
worked
on
for
a
number
of
years.
I
know
you're
trying
hard
at
it.
I
would
be
looking
for
some
way
to
deal
with
mitigating
that
perception,
so
that
the
police
could
be
a
benefit
more
than
maybe
a
perceived
hindrance
to
some
people
who
avoid
you,
perhaps
or
see
you
and
go
the
other
direction
not
because
they're
doing
anything
wrong,
but
because
they
are
fearful
of
things
that
have
nothing
to
do
with
you,
immigration
issues,
particularly
all
right.
That's
a
perception
problem.
P
We've
got
and
it's
not
absolutely
your
problem,
because
you've
been
very
clear
about
where
we
stand
on
this.
That's
my
concern.
I
guess,
chair,
Luke,
I,
don't
see
it
being
able
to
fund
a
full
program
outside
of
here.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
we're
very,
very,
very
sensitive
to
the
the
offsetting
what
we
may
be
losing
by
doing
that
in
some
of
the
parks.
So.
R
If
you-
and
maybe
we
should
look
at
what
what
is
being
gleaned
by
the
officers
that
are
working
the
overtime
right
now,
because
they're
being
asked
to
do
police
officer
work,
they're
being
asked
to
to
a
lot
of
the
restrooms,
are
being
used
to
sleep
in
overnight
and
they
need
them
locked
and
cleared.
Trespassing
in
the
park.
I
mean
they're,
doing
police
work
in
the
parks,
and
that
is
what
Parks
has
been
asking
for
for
a
long
time.
So
you're
right
we're
trying
to
find
that
nitch.
R
G
I
offer
the
combination
approach
that
you
just
mentioned.
We
have
developed
an
awesome
program
in
the
last
four
years,
combining
social
workers
with
officers
when
they're
going
out
on
specific
calls
and
what?
If
there
is
what?
If
we
approach
it
from
that
lens,
that
we
increase
our
social
worker
officer
capacity
to
oversee
our
parks,
so
that
there's
a
balance
in
the
skills
and
the
technique
sort
of
like
I
think
that's
part
of
why
we
combine
social
workers
with
officers
and
that
when
I
think
about
the
what
are
we
trying
to
solve
for
in
our
parks?
G
J
R
G
F
A
A
P
Mr.
chair
I
would
disagree
with
that
I
think
without
the
resource.
Perhaps
I.
Think
most
of
my
concern
is
deterrence
and
it
doesn't
mean
you
have
to
intervene
an
arrest
or
do
that
by
force.
It's
the
presence
of
somebody
who's
in
a
uniform
who's.
An
official
capacity
deters
some
issues
there
and
that's
where
I
go
apart.
M
A
Like
what
what
you
guys
are
talking
about,
is
you
want
camp
hosts
to
walk
around
and
make
people
feel
good,
which
is
fine,
which
is
good,
but
it
doesn't
do
it's
not
a
public
safety
issue,
but
I
mean
if
we
want
if
we
want
a
park
host
and
then
let's
have
that
in
conversation.
But
if
we're
talking
about
public
safety
I,
don't
know
how
you
have
public
safety
without
a
police
officer.
Well
I
and.
A
P
Think
I
mean
I,
don't
think
it's
I,
don't
think
it's
one
of
those
extremes,
though
Charlie
I
think
we'd
have
to
think
outside
of
that
and
figure
out
something
in
the
middle,
because
a
responder
model
means
there's
an
issue
happening.
That
has
to
be
responded
to
I.
Think
Aaron's
point
is
interesting:
I
think
it
wouldn't
be
what
the
CCC
is,
though,
because
that
is
responding
to
a
specific
issue.
P
That's
called
in
generally
speaking
and
it's
a
social
worker
I'm
not
gonna,
respond
in
a
park
very
well
I
mean
I'm,
not
gonna,
do
what
we
need
in
the
park
just
speaking
as
a
social
worker,
so
no
offense
any
social
workers
out
there
and
so
I
think
Charlie,
you're
right
I,
don't
know
if
we
have
a
model
I
had
that
works.
We
have
to
look
outside
of
this
I'm,
just
saying
that
there's
something
in
the
middle
that
might
fit,
but
I'm
not
sure
exactly
what
it
is.
A
Let's,
let's
plan
on
having
that
conversation,
but
what
I'm
hearing
just
sounds
like
requiring
more
people
and
more
money
than
just
hiring
police
officers,
and
that's
okay.
If
that
is
a
priority
that
we
that
we
choose
to
make
understanding
that
we're
limited
on
on
funds
and
that
you
know
having
that
model
is
going
to
cost
something
that
will
take
from
somewhere
else.
I
think
the
notion
that
if
we
do
this,
we're
not
going
to
have
to
have
police
officers
in
our
parks
is
not
the
case,
I
mean
and
what
it
sounds
like
is.
A
You
know
you'll
still
have
to
have
police
officers
who
are
going
to
deal
with
the
criminal
aspect
that
the
you
know,
I'm
hearing
residents
say
that
they
want
done,
but
then
you're
gonna
also
have
people
who
don't
have
any
authority
to
do
anything
other
than
make
people
feel
good
until
they
actually
need
something
some
protection
and
then
all
the
sudden
they
realize
they
can't
do
anything.
And
then
we
have
the
police
that
you
get
called
again
so.
A
A
E
J
Getting
to
this
43%
and
that
not
every
of
the
27
police
officers
from
last
year,
the
23
police
officers
from
this
year
would
be
on
patrol
and
responding
and
I.
Don't
I
don't
need
a
breakdown
of
that,
but
I
right
now,
but
I
am
curious
of
where
they
might
be
and
which
ones
would
be
responding.
I
think
we've
been
hearing.
Part
of
the
issue
are
part
of
the
reason.
I
think
we
funded
police
officers
was
that
in
a
lot
of
ways,
the
presence
and
the
the
appearance
having
a
police
officer
drive
around
a
neighborhood.
J
J
But
so
I
would
be
interested
in
knowing
how
many
of
those
officers
the
the
potential
of
fifty
with
last
year's
funding
and
this
potential
funding
are
going
to
be
patrolling,
are
gonna,
be
in
that
that,
taking
that
those
calls,
because
that's
I,
think
why
the
council
funded
it
at
the
time
or
wanted
to
fund
it
right
is
because
there's
an
increased
presence,
and
this
also
goes
back
to
you,
something
that
Andrea
brought
up
but
I
was
was
thinking,
maybe
in
a
broader
sense
I.
He
said
something
about
maybe
tracking.
J
If
this
it
ends
up
funding
and
you
put
police
officers
in
parts
coming
up
with
some
sort
of
tracking
component
or
understanding
what
parts
they're
in
and
where
and
how
many
I'd
like
to
maybe
want
inquire
about
that
same
sort
of
statistic,
but
in
our
patrol
cars
and
our
bikes
and
we're
we're
kind
of
spending
some
time
just
so
so
we
can
see
where
that
presence
is
and,
and
maybe
start
to
make
some
decisions
in
in
that
way
as
well.
If
that
makes
sense
and
again
that's
kind
of
a
future,
maybe
actually.
R
J
And
maybe
if
we
just
were
able
to
compile
a
six
month
or
something
type
of
analysis
of
where
those
the
presence
of
those
vehicles
are
so
that
we
can
can
start
to
understand
that
a
little
bit
more
because
it
also
helps
in
my
position
or
in
my
mind,
answer
some
questions
to
constituents
right
and
to
people
that
are
coming
to
ask
us
about
these
things.
And
then
my
third
thing
again,
these
aren't
questions
more
of
just
like
future
is.
R
Just
just
real
quick
on
the
eight
iacp
study
we
have
it
back.
I
know
you
haven't,
had
it
for
a
long
time.
It's
about
200
pages,
it's
very
in-depth
and
they've
gone
through
a
lot
of
things
and
they've
done
a
work
flow
model
that
that
I
know
you
were
asking
about.
We
were
kind
of
taking
a
swag
guesses.
How
many
cops
we
needed,
but
they
definitely
said
we
need
more
cops
in
the
neighborhood
and
it
was
to
the
tune
of
about
sixty
more
cops
and
so
what
we've
done-
and
it's
no
fault
of
anybody's.
R
Over
the
last
20
years
in
the
police
department,
we've
become
a
very
strategic
deployed,
Police
Department.
If
we
have
a
gang
problem,
we
took
six
guys
out
of
Patrol
made
him
a
gang
unit
sent
amount
or
we
did
you
know
vice
or
narcs
or
whatever
problem.
We
had
bike
officers,
and
so
we
put
our
resources
very
strategically
on
problems,
and
but
what
we
forgot
is
that
there
was
all
the
citizens
that
needed
our
help.
They
were
calling
for
service
and
when
that
left
patrol
very
thin.
R
So
this
study
pointed
that
out
and
said:
look
you
need
to
go
from
your
strategic
deployment
model
takes
that's
good
work,
it
needs
to
be
done,
but
you
need
to
either
refocus
what
they
do
to
calls
for
service,
because
that
is
your
number
one.
Priority
is
to
answer
those
calls
for
service
that
citizens
make
second
to
that
is
to
investigate
their
crimes
through
detectives,
and
so
they
mentioned
if
we
could
have
about-
and
we
felt
like
about
45%
of
our
officers.
R
Time
was
committed
to
taking
calls
the
other
could
be
administrative
and
the
other
could
be
free
time
going
through
the
parks
going
through
the
neighborhoods
making
the
citizen
contacts
things
like
that,
so
we
have
begun
a
strategy
of
taking
and
downsizing
some
of
these
units.
Looking
there's
no
there's
no
golden
squad,
that's
not
to
be
touched
or
looked
at,
but
to
look
at
how
many
resources
we
can
put
back
to
Patrol.
R
So
if
you
really
look
at
the
hard
numbers,
the
27
in
the
23,
all
50
would
be
going
back
to
patrol
now,
some
of
those
at
backfill,
but
we're
trying
to
put
back
60
officers
to
Patrol,
but
into
that
point
I
would
like.
If
you
have
the
time
to
do
some
small
groups
to
talk
about
the
study
or
I
will
bring
back
the
doctor
and
the
professor
that
put
the
study
together.
If
we
can
get
everybody
together,
we
can
do
a
presentation.
Okay,.
K
While
we're
talking
about
perceptions
of
safety,
I
doing
the
funding
our
future,
we
talked
a
lot
about
how
we
thought
that
we
could
encourage
more
public
safety
by
returning
more
to
the
beat
model.
So
will
these
officers
that
are
going
onto
the
force
will
any
of
them
be
added
to
like
the
community
intelligence
unit,
or
are
they
going
to
be
still
assigned
to
beats?
How
is
that?
How
is
that
facet
of
the
plan
fitting
in
with
your
new
budget
they're.
R
R
K
Then
I
mean:
is
there
enough
funding
available
for
our
officers
to
be
getting?
You
know,
de-escalation,
training
and
for
them
to
be
getting
support
for
when
they
are
involved
in
a
high
conflict
incidents?
Maybe
they
are
they're
having
PTSD
things
like
that,
I
mean.
Is
there?
Is
that
adequately
accounted
for?
Do
you
feel
in
your
budget
yeah.
R
In
the
workflow
model,
that
ICP
did
they
looked
at
the
number
of
hours.
I
mean
52
weeks.
Forty
hours
a
week
is
2080
hours
that
we
can
work,
but
then
they
took
out
all
the
trainings.
We
go
to
de-escalation,
all
the
leve.
We
have
vacations
holidays,
sick,
all
those
things
PTSD
and
they
they
came
up
with
an
average
and
they
built
the
number
of
officers
that
are
supposed
to
be
back
into
patrol
around
what
we
have
available
and
so
that
that's
being
accounted
for.
Okay,
because.
K
I
mean
it
was
exciting
earlier
when
you
said
you
know
that
you
know
we're
running
the
biggest
force
in
the
state
and
I
think
we're
running
an
exemplary
force
and
I
want
that
to
include
a
force
that
is
sensitive
to
to
communities
of
color
and
to
concerns
about
perceptions
of
safety
and
approachability
of
officers
and
officers
being
there
to
help
reduce
conflict
rather
than
increase.
All
of
those
good
things.
I
want
about
to
be
included
in
how
we
measure
being
the
best
department
in
the
state.
Well,
thank.
R
A
So
we
do
have
a
couple
of
board
applicants
who
have
been
here.
We
are
late.
There
I
was
going
to
ask
them
to
sit
through
the
golf
discussion,
but
since
we're
already
later
than
I
had
hoped,
let's
go
ahead
and
do
board
appointments
right
now.
I
do
want
to
handle
the
golf
discussion,
so
we
will
do
that
after
and
then
there
also
is
a
limited
closed
session
that
we
will
do
during
the
dinner
break.
A
A
A
E
I'm
Leslie
Anderson
I'm,
the
creator
of
European
American
and
regional
art.
The
Utah
Museum
of
Fine
Arts
I've,
been
a
museum
professional
for
eight
years
and
I've
been
in
this
particular
capacity
at
the
Atomium
Fine
Arts
for
four
years.
So
I
think
that
as
an
art,
museum,
curator
I
see
the
public
art
program
as
one
that
is
a
museum
without
walls,
and
it
would
be
a
way
in
which
I
can
draw
on
my
area
of
expertise.
A
E
A
K
E
Always
had
a
affinity
for
the
arts
growing
up,
I
grew
up
in
Park
City
was,
of
course
home
to
Sundance
and
I
enjoyed
that
experience
later
pursued
a
degree
in
TV
and
film.
It
was
the
kid
always
drawing
in
class
I
just
liked
the
arts
and
numerous
capacities,
and
it's
just
a
different
outlet
for
me
than
what
I
currently
do,
and
it
still
allows
me
to
serve
the
community
great.
K
A
Any
other
questions
all
right.
Thank
you.
So
much
have
a
good
evening.
So
this
is
where
I
got
confused,
because
we
do
have
three
housing
advisory
and
appeals
board
spots.
So
if
we
could
have
all
of
you
come
up
to
the
table,
we
will
interview
all
of
you
at
the
same
time,
Ross
Wentworth
John,
a
Nardone
and
Amanda
white
Lee.
A
E
Second
reason
as
I
love,
Salt,
Lake,
so
much
so
that
I
moved
back
here
and
I've
been
finding
more
and
more
ways
to
involve
myself
beginning
with
involving
myself.
My
community
council
third
is
I.
Think
there
will
be.
It
seems
like
there's
a
component
of
evaluating
the
statue
and
how
we
enforce
things
and
I.
Consider
myself
to
be
fair,
diplomatic
and
inquisitive,
so
I
think
those
might
be
helpful
traits
in
this
capacity.
Great.
E
F
R
R
G
I
would
love
to
learn
more
about
that
and
I
just
want
to
attach
for
John
a
because
she's
amazing
and
she
cleans
it
up
at
our
community
council
meetings
and
knows
how
to
make
a
very
fair
and
equitable
conversation
happen.
So
I'm
not
sure
that
the
board
we're
pointing
you
to
needs
that
kind
of
effort.
G
A
Okay,
same
goes
for
you
three
you're
on
the
consent
agenda.
We
appreciate
your
willingness
to
serve
so.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
now
golf
yes,
so
item
number
five
on
our
agenda:
the
fiscal
year
2019
20
budget
golf
fund,
Jennifer,
Bruno
and
Alison
Rowland-
are
going
to
sit
at
the
table.
Alison
will
be
leading
this
bleeding
out
on
this
conversation.
They'll
be
joined
by
Lisa,
Schaeffer,
know
walking,
Shaw
and
Matt
kam
Meyer.
J
F
T
T
Golf
we
manage
six
different
golf
facilities
with
seven
courses.
Each
course
is
co,
managed
by
a
head
golf
professional,
PGA,
certified
head
golf,
professional
and
a
course
superintendent
shortly
after
I
was
hired,
I
filled
my
previous
position
as
associate
golf
director
with
Kelsey
jug
I'm
excited
to
have
her
on
board
and
also
hired
two
additional
positions
that
we
had
had
vacant.
So
this
is
the
first
time
the
golf
has
been
fully
staffed
in
several
years,
so
we're
excited
to
be
able
to
kind
of
hopefully
address
a
lot
of
the
issues
that
exist.
T
Things
aren't
always
as
rosy
as
we'd
like
them
to
be,
but
I
do
appreciate
the
discussion
that
I've
had
so
far
with
the
administration
and
I
look
forward
to
having
a
good
conversation
with
you
as
well,
provided
a
brief
snapshot
here
of
some
different
highlights.
From
from
from
golf,
we
maintain
over
1012
acres
of
what
I
would
say,
open
space,
which
are
seven
golf
course
is
a
hundred
and
eight
golf
holes.
We
average
about
380,000
golf
rounds.
That's
a
five-year
average.
Our
loyalty
discount
program
has
2,700
members
in
it.
T
T
T
The
slide
here
represents
fiscal
year
golf
rounds
by
course,
over
the
last
several
years,
I
would
say
that
our
rounds
have
been
somewhat
flat.
If
you
take
into
consideration
the
closure
of
those
two
courses
over
the
last
two
years,
we've
started
to
see
what
what
I
think
is
a
rebound
Mountain
del
Bonneville
and
Glendale
specifically
have
done
very
well.
Rose
Park
has
made
a
resurgence
in
the
last
year,
and
a
half
for
Estelle
is
still
flat
with
their
rounds
and
and
nibbly
Park
is
the
one
that
we're
still
struggling
with.
T
When
we
entered
into
the
fall
of
this
year,
we
were,
we
were
riding
kind
of
a
high
wave
of
a
massive
increase
in
play,
we're
about
14%
ahead
of
our
projections
when
we
completed
November
and
headed
into
the
winter.
However,
as
you
can
see,
it's
it's
been
raining
non-stop.
It
feels
like
in
2019,
and
so
those
are
things
that
obviously
we
cannot
control.
I
would
like
to
talk
about
today,
some
things
that
we
can
control
I've
provided
here's
some
brief.
What
I
call
our
division
Direction
statements.
This
is
different
from
a
mission
statement.
T
These
are
basically
the
why
of
what
we're
doing.
One
of
them
is
to
grow
the
game.
We
want
to
help
develop
programs
that
introduce
new
segments
of
players
to
the
sport
and
foster
a
love
and
respect
for
the
traditions
and
values
of
the
game.
We
want
to
develop
our
talent.
We
want
to
provide
improved,
employee
training
and
leadership
opportunities,
resulting
in
increased
efficiencies
and
customer
service.
We
want
to
be
able
to
improve
the
assets
that
we
had
assets,
that
we
have
one
of
the
major
challenges
that
I've
noticed
over
the
18
years.
T
That
I've
been
with
the
city
is,
there
has
not
been
much
if
any
investment
into
any
of
these.
What
I
consider
our
community
assets,
the
the
physical
structures
themselves,
the
irrigation
systems
we
find
ourself
at
the
end
of
life
cycle
for
a
lot
of
these
systems
that
just
have
not
been
maintained
and
we're
invested
in
the
way
that
they
need
to
over
the
year.
So
we're
trying
to
find
the
different
ways
that
we
can
improve
the
appearance,
the
playability
functionality
and
efficiency
of
these
city-owned
courses
and
club
houses.
T
And
finally,
we
want
to
be
a
community
partner.
We
want
to
seek
opportunities
to
responsibly,
integrate
golf
assets
and
programs
into
the
community,
providing
increased
value
to
both
golfers
and
non
golfers
to
go
a
little
bit
more
into
growing
the
game.
A
lot
of
the
instructional
programs
that
we
have
are
designed
around
getting
junior
golfers
into
the
game.
T
We
serve
usually
about
a
thousand
kids
every
year
through
our
own
junior
golf
program
through
the
first
tee
of
Utah,
Rose
Park,
and
also
the
newly
formed
first
tee
of
Utah
Glendale,
which
is
which
is
taught
and
staffed
by
Salt
Lake
City
police
volunteers.
We
have
a
very
robust
women's
clinics.
In
fact,
right
now,
all
of
our
openings
are
currently
booked
and
so
I've
challenged
our
golf
professionals
to
try
to
provide
more
openings
and
opportunities
there,
because
I
think
that's
that's
an
area.
T
We
are
also
participating
in
the
public
services,
workplace
evolution
planning
process.
A
lot
of
our
Gulf
employees
have
been
around
for
quite
a
long
time
and
within
five
years
of
60%
of
them
retiring.
So
we're
wanting
to
be
able
to
provide
opportunities
for
our
assistants
and
be
able
to
provide
training
to
develop
people
to
be
able
to
take
over
those
roles.
T
We
want
to
be
able
to
again
approve
the
assets
as
best
we
can,
whether
that's
at
this
point
just
painting
defendent.
So
over
the
last
year
we've
made
three
Pro
Shop
renovations.
We've
been
able
to
remodel
for
club
clubhouse
bathrooms.
We
had
an
emergency
sewer
main
line
replacement
at
Glendale,
and
we've
also
had
to
replace
irrigation
controllers
at
Glendale,
Mountain
del
and
Rose
Park.
T
Again.
These
are
examples
of
some
things
that
are
the
result
of
some
I
would
say.
A
lack
of
investment
in
these
assets
and,
finally,
to
being
a
community
partner,
we
host
several
charity
golf
events
at
multiple
golf
courses,
I've,
given
an
example
of
here,
one
that
we
typically
have
at
Rose
Park,
which
are
having
it
at
Glendale.
Now
for
the
Salt
Lake
mission
that
goes
to
benefit
the
homeless.
We've
donated
over
a
hundred
thirty
six
free
rounds
of
golf
to
aid,
local
charity,
fundraising
events
and
efforts.
T
T
One
thing
that
we
wanted
to
and
I've
heard
in
previous
council
discussions
is
there's
been
a
need
to
understand
the
costs
of
maintaining
a
golf
course
in
relation
to
something
you
can
compare
it
with.
So
what
does
it
cost
to
maintain
a
city
park?
So
what
I
provided
here
is
a
breakdown
of
what
it
costs
to
maintain
different
tiers
of
public
parks
and
then
I
will
go.
Compare
those
to
what
it
costs
to
maintain
a
golf
course.
So,
for
instance,
there's
two
there's
three
different
tiers,
so
a
manicured
park
is
some
kind
of
a
park.
T
That's
programmed
we're
talking,
Liberty
Park,
Pioneer,
Jordan,
you've
got
ball
fields
there
I've.
Also,
given
you
specific
examples
of
the
cemetery
and
the
regional
Athletic
Complex,
these
are
costs
based
on
on
a
per
acre
basis.
So,
for
instance,
the
cemetery
is
fifteen
thousand
nine
hundred
twenty-eight
dollars
to
maintain
Aker,
whereas
the
regional
athletic
complex
is
ninety
three
hundred
and
sixty
nine
dollars,
a
low
maintenance
tier
is
is,
is
a
non
programmed
park.
T
T
T
Is
this
somewhat
eye-opening
there
and,
as
part
of
this
budget,
there's
there's
going
to
be
a
general
fund
contribution
of
of
just
under
1.3
million
dollars,
and
you
may
ask
what
does
that
buy?
What
is
that?
What
is
where
does
that
going?
If
you
apply
this
the
same
formula
here
and
after
you
include
the
revenue
that
the
golf
courses
make
you're
looking
at
a
cost
per
acre
after
projected
revenue
of
one
thousand
two
hundred
eighty
eight
dollars
per
acre,
so
they
think
there's
there's
multiple
values
of.
T
Q
Q
G
F
Can
do
that
so
we
did
an
RFP
for
nibbly.
The
RFP
was
sort
of
reaching
for
the
golden
goose
right
we
put
out
with
the
hopes
to
develop
a
some
kind
of
a
golf.
Entertainment
center
is
what
we
called
it.
What
we
brought
to
the
table
was
land.
We
brought
no
other
resources
to
the
table
in
that,
because
we
don't
have
any
other
resources
other
than
land
and
we
received
no
responses,
and
so
what
we're?
F
At
now
with
that
is
we've
initiated
a
petition
to
start
working
with
South
Salt
Lake,
because
during
the
course
of
discovery
on
this
project,
we
learned
that
the
driving
range
for
Dibley
park
is
in
South,
Salt
Lake.
They
didn't
know
that
their
property
boundaries
their
political
boundaries.
All
of
that
show
that
it's
in
Salt
Lake
City,
but
we
show
that
it's
in
South,
Salt
Lake.
You
know
I
tried
hard
to
make
an
argument.
I
went
back
in
time.
Look
at
all
of
that.
I
can't
see
when
the
properties
lines
were
drawn,
but.
F
So
yeah
so
we're
sort
of
trying
to
regroup
with
what
to
do
with
that.
At
this
point,
I
think
that
there
are
some
other
models
that
are
available
to
do
that,
where
we've
we've
got
a
new
concessions
happening
there
and
we've
cleaned
up
the
clubhouse
there
we're
hopeful
that
that
will
help
support
additional
business
and
I
think
that
that
will
just
kind
of
keep
keep
working
at
that
and
coming
up
with
a
new
plan.
So.
F
F
D
F
F
G
I'm
curious
I
mean
this
is
my
sixth
budget.
This
is
your
eighth
budget
charlie
and
we
keep
giving
money
from
the
general
fund
despite
some
people's
frustrations
and
so
I
guess,
I'm
curious.
If
we
had
a
business
proposal
that
said,
look
if
you'll
bring
X
amount
of
money
to
this
conversation,
then
we're
going
to
be
able
to
create
this
asset.
G
G
We
don't
have
any
money
to
bring
me
to
the
table
because
we
actually
are
bringing
money
to
the
table
for
other
aspects
of
golf,
so
I
guess
I'm
more
interested
in
a
more
I
guess:
a
dialogue
really
with
the
business
community
about
what
would
it
take
to
make
some
this
both
attractive
to
a
business
operator
and
profitable?
And
if
it's,
if
we're,
if
it
talks
about
some
sort
of
contribution
capital
contribution
from
us,
I'd
like
to
know
what
that
is.
Okay,.
F
H
I
think
what
Aaron
I
think
every
kind
of
answered
the
question
that
I
had
was
exactly
when
you
say:
I:
don't
have
any
money
but
I
have
land
I,
don't
I
didn't
see
the
proposal
so
I
guess
you
kind
of
answer
the
the
quarter
to
the
dollar
and
stuff
like
that.
So
I
would
like
to
revisit
that
if
it
was
really
this
bad
of
a
deal,
it
was
kind
of
obvious
that
now
he's
gonna
take
it
to
revisit
and
see
what
else
can
we
put
on
the
table?
H
P
Mister
I
know
we
didn't
do
to
do
priorities
this
year
due
to
a
lot
of
other
things.
We've
continued
on
some
other
priorities.
I
would
see
our
discussion
of
parks
golf
and
open
space.
As
one
discussion
I
would
like
to
propose
the
we
as
a
council
would
make
that
a
priority
after
this
budget
discussion
is
done
and
take
that,
on
as
a
whole,
it'll
take
a
while
I
think
it'll
take
a
lot
of
discussions
with
multiple
parts
of
the
city
to
do
that.
A
I
mean
councilmember
Johnston,
that's
certainly
something
that
I
support.
Having
us
talk
about,
I
am
reluctant
at
this
point
to
say
you
know.
Yes,
that
will
be.
You
know
our
priority
after
after
the
budget,
but
what
I
can
commit
is
that
I'm
good
with
having
that
discussion,
I'd
and
I
do
think
that
combining
it
makes
sense
because
there's
a
lot
that
needs
to
be
done
and
discussed.
Mr.
E
B
K
Rewardin,
just
and
I
love
the
ideas
about
about
Rose
Park,
but
I
just
don't
see
how
any
of
those
can
be
funded,
especially
given
the
fact
that
we
haven't
gotten
a
response
from
the
RFP
for
nibbly.
So
what
would
you
tell
me
more
about
what
your
thoughts
are
there
and
how
to
how
any
of
that
would
be
funded.
T
So
again,
I
think
there's
there's
an
opportunity
for
their
based
on
the
uniqueness
of
the
area
and
the
the
fact
that
there
isn't
anything
like
this
in
this
part
of
the
country.
There's
other
parts
of
the
country
where
they
do
have
something
similar
again.
Our
goal
is
to
not
only
do
grow
the
game,
but
to
also
make
that
part
of
that
course
more
connected
into
the
community.
Theirs
was
also
there's.
There's
money
that's
been
set
aside
for
a
development
of
the
trail
around.
T
T
But
I
agree.
We
you
know
we
can't
we.
The
city
has
to
be
able
to
put
up
some
investment
itself
and
you'll
be
able
to
help
develop
some
of
these
things,
but
I
think
that's
why
we're
trying
to
at
least
in
the
Rose
Park
area,
we're
trying
to
see
what
opportunities
exist
for
creating
greater
access
for
the
community
rather
than
just
having
it
be
a
golf
golf
amenity.
T
What
other
things
can
we
offer
the
public,
whether
it's
an
expanded
picnic
area
for
the
trail
users
have
a
place
to
stop
off
the
off
of
the
the
Jordan
River
Trail
to
be
able
to
have
provide
a
better
concessions
for
them,
maybe
a
place
for
them
to
be
able
to
repair
their
bike
to
be
able
to
rent
bikes?
That's
what
we're
trying
to
see
what
what
kind
of
opportunities
exist
here
that
that
maybe
may
bring
some
funding
in
outside
of
a
golf
centric
activity.
J
Everybody
knows
how
I
feel
about
golf,
so
Matt
welcome
to
the
team
and
I
do
want
to
say
one
of
the
things
that
is
important
that
you
just
mentioned
was
the
community
space
that
are
our
golf
courses
and
our
golf
club
houses.
Give
us
and
I
want
to
thank
director
Schafer
for
meeting
with
some
of
my
community
members
to
look
at
how
we
can
use
Foristell
clubhouse
in
the
wintertime
as
a
community
space
and
really
open
that
up
to
our
community
and
and
kind
of
fix
the
dilemma.
J
We
were
having
any
in
a
different
area
of
sugarhouse
and
so
being
able
to
utilize
that
as
another
community
asset
and
I
appreciate
director
Schafer
for
taking
the
time
to
kind
of
be
creative
with
me
on
project
and
with
our
constituent
and
continue
that
conversation.
So
and
thank
you
for
this
information
and
said:
welcome
council.
G
T
G
I'm,
sorry
does
a
conversation
we've
had
in
the
past
before
you
were
at
the
table,
I
think
and
when
we've
looked
at
creative
approaches.
Other
cities
around
the
country
have
taken
to
increasing
player
rounds,
played
I,
should
say
or
attracting
different
clubs
and
groups
and
events,
and
things
was
a
lot.
There's
there's
a
lot
of
beer
going
on
to
golf
courses.
Do
you
what
maybe
I
should
freeze
it
this
way
director
Schaffer?
What
barriers
are?
Are
there
to
us
getting
more
beer
onto
our
golf
courses?
I.
F
Should
be
more
like
a
community
restaurant
and
so
I've
been
trying
to
sort
through
that
idea
a
little
bit
more.
You
know
the
the
way
our
zoning
ordinance,
it's
that
the
facilities
and
the
restaurants
and
the
clubhouse
itself
is
really
intended
to
serve
golf
patrons.
So
that's
a
that's
an
area
where
I
would
like
to
maybe
have
more
of
a
conversation
around.
You
know
how
strict
do
we
need
to
be
about
that,
or
can
we
open
up
the
advertising
for
neighborhoods
and
for
other
folks
to
be
more
inviting
and
I.
G
Think
about
the
from
a
business
perspective,
you
look
at
a
decrease
in
people
accessing
the
courses
proportion.
You
know
same
as
it
is
everywhere
in
the
nation,
basically
and
you'd
say
well,
then
perhaps
we
have
that
much
extra
capacity
in
the
facilities
that
we
built
to
serve
a
greater
population.
So
is
there
some
way
from
a
business
perspective
that
we
can
fit
even
a
a
walk-up
kind
of
a
situation?
I
I
know
that
there's
state
laws
and
how
we
Corral
beer
drinkers.
L
But
I
appreciate
the
question
and
I
also
appreciate
Noel's
intro
to
that,
because
that
is
one
of
the
barriers.
So
if
you're
asking
what
the
barrier
is,
is
its
I
think
we
need
to
address
open
space
rules
around
concessions
within
those
spaces
and
whether
or
not
the
concessions
are
there
to
serve
the
specific
use
or
whether
or
not
we
can
open
that
conversation
up.
So
that
is,
that
is
one
of
the
areas
that
we
really
need
to
look
at.
L
G
That's
coming
there
to
golf
people
who
are
gonna
meet
up
there
before
or
hang
after
they
play,
and
whether
we're
talking
to
like
fillings
and
emulsions
on
Main
Street
in
my
district
or
trestle
tavern
up
at
15th
and
15th.
We
know
from
businesses
all
over
the
city
when
you
get
beer
on
the
menu
you
get
out.
Some
alcohol
in
the
menu
40%
ish
increase
in
revenues.
No,
absolutely.
T
L
The
I
love
the
idea
and,
and
what
I
heard
you
say
earlier,
is
that
if
we
brought
a
proposal
to
you
that
included
some
kind
of
funding,
then
you
would
consider
that
so
maybe
if
we
did
a
design,
competition,
type
of
idea
around
food
and
beverage
at
a
specific
or
a
targeted
couple
of
golf
courses,
then
the
bill
to
incorporate
that
design.
You
is
something
you.
G
Would
consider
and
that's
something
I'd
consider
much
more
than
a
full
build
of
a
new
like
facility
to
host
weddings
or
something
cuz
back
to
our
year
of
PTSD
from
what
was
it
five
years
ago?
Let's
not
go
there
I'll
think
about
it,
but
this
is
looked
a
lot
at
golf
courses
that
have
invested
millions
of
dollars
to
have
those
kind
of
party
facilities,
basically
and
they're,
not
they're,
not
making
the
money
that
we
would
need
to
be
making.
So,
yes,
more
creative
and
more
surgical.
Okay,.
L
H
Erin,
are
you
saying
that
you
what
you
look
at
this
looking
at
these
additional
users
of
this
open
spaces,
that
this
would
create
some
revenue
to
offset
the
cost,
or
are
you
looking
at
this?
We
need
to
offset
the
cost
completely
or
you'll,
be
okay
with.
If
we
can
offset
a
little
bit
of
the
cost,
then
I'm
good.
Is
that
what
you're
saying.
G
I,
don't
think
we
know
yet
how
much
it
could
offset
the
costs
that
were
filling
through
the
general
fund
every
year
now,
but
I
would
love
to
and
I
think
that
when
we
talk
about
creating
new
or
additional
public
benefits
that
I'll
tell
you.
My
perspective
of
neighborhood
bars
has
been
an
incredible
sense
of
community
building
when,
when
the
council
years
ago,
moved
to
do
that
and
I
think
the
golf
courses
could
complement
like
that.
Yeah.
H
And
I
think
I'm,
you
know
I'm
a
full
proponent
of
keeping
these
open
spaces
and
having
additional
uses
for
the
non
golfers
myself,
for
example,
I
mean
they're
in
in
there
are
other
many
other
activities
to
have
this.
This
called
courses
I,
would
you
know
I
support
that
I
mean
I'm
interested
in
seeing
that
we
continue
no
subsidizing.
These
golf
courses
in
a
way,
but
however
I,
would
be
interested
in
looking
at
offsetting.
Some
of
this
I
don't
think
it
needs
to
be
a
million
dollars
for
a
new
kitchen
to
be
there.
H
It
could
be
a
smaller
amount
like
seed
money
like
what
happened
with
squirt
kitchen,
even
smaller
than
that
and
I
think
you
might
have
some
takers
if
we
was
if
there
was
some
of
it
in
there.
However,
I
don't
think
we're
gonna,
you
know
it's
not
gonna
cover
the
cost
of
one
of
the
parks.
So
we
should
like
forget
about
that.
In
tells.
A
Member
Fowler
before
you
go,
this
is
a
good
conversation,
I
hate
being
the
one
to
have
to
hit
the
damper
button
on
it,
but
part
of
I
mean
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
get
through
the
stuff
that
we
need
to
get
through
for
this
budget.
There's
no
way
that
we're
gonna
be
able
to
figure
this
piece
out.
So
it's
certainly
so
I
think
the
alcohol
piece
is
something
that
that
we
ought
to
look
at.
You
know
one
of
the
questions
that
I
would
have
is.
Is
you
know
what
rules
are
there?
A
J
Agree,
I
think
that
the
question
is
and
Thank
You
Erin.
This
conversation
is
very
different
than
it
was
last
year
which
I
appreciate,
but
I
agree
that
these
are
other
questions.
That
I
think
we
still
have
to
talk
about
and
I
think
that's
why
Andrews
sort
of
proposed
having
this
priority
after
the
budget
with
that
I
would
also
propose
a
City
Council
golf
tournament.
So
that's
on
the
table
will.