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From YouTube: Salt Lake City Council Work Session - 6/9/2020
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A
B
We
appreciate
the
high
level
of
interest
in
the
events
and
community
conversations
that
have
been
happening
these
past
couple
weeks
in
the
midst
of
national
and
local
civil
unrest
and
outrage.
The
City
Council's
received
voluminous
comments
relating
to
the
system,
the
systemic
issues
of
which
allow
racism
to
continue
to
impact
our
communities.
B
The
comments
have
covered
the
spectrum
of
options
and
we
want
to
reassure
the
public
that
the
council
member
vellu
consul
members
value
and
recognize
that
each
comment
is
a
voice
from
the
community
that
deserves
to
be
heard
for
anyone
from
the
public
who
has
submitted
comments.
Your
comments
have
been
forwarded
and
shared
with
all
council
members
and
will
be
added
to
part
of
the
public
record.
The
largest
portion
of
comments
have
been
related
to
the
police
department
budget
to
allow
us
more
time
to
discuss
this.
B
We've
scheduled
a
follow-up
discussion
regarding
fiscal
year,
2020
2021
police
department,
budget
dude,
again
the
high
level
of
Public
Interest.
We
want
to
be
sure
everybody
knows
how
to
remotely
participate
in
our
meeting
today.
Although
conducting
our
meetings
electronically
is
different
from
our
familiar
in-person
meetings.
This
is
still
considered
an
open
and
public
meeting
for
the
work
session.
We
welcome
members
of
the
public
who
may
be
watching
our
usual
live
video
feeds
on
the
City
Council's
agenda,
page
YouTube,
Salt,
Lake,
City,
television
or
Facebook
life.
B
Although
there
is
no
public
comment
during
the
work
session,
you
can
also
join
us
for
our
7:00
p.m.
formal
meeting
to
share
any
comments
that
you
might
have
and,
of
course
your
feedback
is
always
welcome.
You
can
reach
us
by
mail
at
p.o
box,
145,
476,
Salt,
Lake,
City,
Utah,
eight,
four
one,
one,
four,
five,
four:
seven:
six
or
email
us
at
council
comments
at
SLC,
gov
calm
or
by
calling
our
24-hour
foam
comment
online.
The
number
for
that
is,
eight
zero
one.
B
C
Thanks
mr.
Jarrett,
this
is
Rachel
here,
thanks
again
for
allowing
us
to
have
some
time
on
the
agenda
each
week
to
talk
with
you
about
these
updates.
I'll.
Keep
it
super
quick
today.
Unless
council
members
have
specific
questions,
but
last
night
I
received
this
week's
batch
of
more
localized
data
for
Salt
Lake
City,
zip
codes
from
the
County
Health
Department
and
forwarded
that
on
to
you
all.
If
you
haven't
had
a
chance
to
review
it
it,
it
was
characterized
in
the
by
the
county's
epidemiologist
as
showing
a
kind
of
a
pretty
visible,
steady
decline.
C
This
I
feel,
like
you
know
it
could
be
viewed
as
an
improvement
as
to
what
we've
seen
over
the
last
couple
of
weeks,
although
it
still
seems
like
we're,
seeing
some
unsteadiness
in
the
eight
for
one
one,
six
zip
code,
so
the
last
conversation
I
had
with
County
Health.
Regarding
that
zip
code
in
particular,
it
was
indicated
to
me
that
it's
gonna
just
take
some
time
based
on
different
testing
levels
and
outreach,
that's
being
targeted
towards
towards
that
zip
code
and
some
of
our
other
hot
spots
in
town.
C
C
We
haven't
really
had
a
a
chance
yet
to
talk
internally
on
the
administrative
side
about
whether
we
would
make
a
recommendation
to
remain
orange
into
next
week
or
whether
we
might
make
a
request
or
or
get
or
get
advice
from
County
Health
to
downgrade
our
status
to
yellow.
So,
as
always
as
council
members
have
particular
thoughts
around
that
status,
I'm
open
to
hearing
those,
of
course
and
I.
C
So
once
I
do
that,
well
that
we
can
we'll
get
those
done
and
get
those
out
into
the
into
the
public
as
soon
as
we
possibly
can
to
take
any
additional
actions.
That
might
make
sense
at
this
point
so
I
think
that's
all
that
I
really
wanted
to
make
sure
that
I
talked
about
today,
but
it
would
welcome
any
questions.
D
B
Thank
you,
okay,
we'll
go
ahead
and
move
on
to
the
next
item
on
our
agenda,
which
is
previous
year's
legislative,
intense
and
interim
study
items.
So
with
us
for
that
we
have
Allison,
Rowland,
City,
Council
policy,
analyst
and
Randy
Hilliard
Department
of
Finance
senior
budget
and
policy
analyst,
and
then
we
also
have
a
long
list
of
other
people
from
premature
looks
like
every
department
available
in
case.
We
have
follow-up
questions
there.
So
Allison
do
you
want
to
lead
us
through
or
start
us
off,
I'd.
E
Be
happy
to
mr.
chair
good
afternoon.
I
can
do
a
quick
introduction
to
help
explain
what
legislative
intents
are
for
some
of
you
who
are
having
your
first
time
seeing
them,
and
then
we
could
go
through
if
you
like
I
know
we're
we're
a
little
short
on
time,
but
we
could
go
through
each
one
of
the
legislative.
Intense
I
would
suggest.
E
B
E
So
what
we're
looking
at
now
are
the
administration's
responses
to
the
legislative
intent
statement
that
council
statements
that
the
council
adopted
last
year
with
the
FY
2020
annual
budget.
Some
of
these
responses
are
out
of
date,
of
course,
because
there
was
a
transition
from
the
previous
administration
to
the
current
one
and
with
the
onset
of
the
Cova
19
pandemic,
a
lot
of
City
focus
had
to
shift
toward
emergency
responses
rather
than
working
on
things
like
legislative,
intense.
So
some
of
this
information
may
be
outdated.
E
Other
parts
of
this
information
may
just
need
an
update
even
if
or
may
no
longer
be
accurate
how's
that
there's
an
annual
schedule
for
legislative
intent
and
that's
included
in
this
staff
report.
As
attachment
c1,
there
are
also
attachments
that
have
the
full-text
of
the
open
legislative
intent.
E
That's
an
attachment
c2
and
the
full
administration
responses
that
are
listed
in
the
FY
21
mayor's
recommended
budget
are
found
in
attachment
c3,
so
the
chart
I
suggest
we
go
through
summarizes
the
current
status
of
each
of
the
legislative
intent
and
includes
council
staff
recommendations
to
either
leave
the
legislative
intent
open
or
to
close
it
for
the
recommendations
that
the
staff
suggests
closing
or
to
consider
closing.
We've
also
included
whether
the
item
would
then
be
considered
complete
or
might
continue
indefinitely
as
a
policy
change.
E
Of
course,
all
of
these
decisions
are
up
to
the
council,
and
so
we
just
hope
to
hear
your
information.
I
would
suggest
that
if
we
don't
hear
anyone
raising
a
concern
about
the
staff
recommendation,
then
we'll
just
go
ahead
with
the
staff
recommendation,
but
of
course,
you're
always
welcome
to
contact
staff
outside
of
this
session.
If,
if
you
look
at
one
later
and
realize
that
that's
yeah,
daddy
doesn't
actually
follow
your
interest,
I
also
want
to
mention
that
there
are
legislative
intents
that
are
pending
from
fiscal
year,
19
18,
17,
16
and
15.
E
B
E
So
I'll
just
read
the
title
and
the
the
status
assessment
that
is
recommended
by
the
staff
for
FY
20
is
golf
food
and
beverage
options
and
that
we
recommend
remain
open.
B
is
fire
department,
medical
response
team.
We
recommend
clothes
and
continue
see
police,
uniform
allowance,
open
D
park,
ranger
program
close
and
continue
e
funding
our
future.
There
are
four
items
here:
unspent
funds,
affordable
housing
allocation
for
the
northwest,
quadrant
housing
program,
outcome
report
and
new
sales
tax
funds
for
public
safety.
We
recommend
these
remain
open,
F
is
building.
E
We
have
rehabilitation
projects
near
HRC's,
open,
complete
streets
definition,
open
H
traffic,
calming
close
and
continue
I
economic
development
position
close
and
complete
J
crossing
guards,
open,
hey
fund
balance,
floor
closed
and
continue,
L
sustainability
rate
increase
closed
and
complete
M
green
team
metrics
open
in
holding
accounts.
There
are
a
bunch
for
here,
a
DEA
administrator
position
and
community
and
neighborhoods
traffic
calming
initiative,
funding
for
equity
training
and
other
coordination
and
I
will
skip
down
to
four,
which
is
funding
our
future
housing
programs.
F
Abcd,
why
are
we
closing
and
continuing
the
traffic
calming
study?
I
know
that
this
came
up
in
the
budget
a
bit
ago,
but
I
guess
my
I
guess
really.
My
question
is:
what
does
it
mean
to
close
and
continue
because
right
what
nothing's
been
done
on
the
traffic
calming
and
I
know
that
it
has
it's
a
has
been
a
priority
in
the
past
for
several
of
us.
So
is
that
just
wondering
what
that
means
and
and
looks
like
for
the
future
and
I.
E
Think
our
thought
on
that
was
that,
because
the
specific
funding
of
$100,000
that
was
allocated
in
the
FY
2008
was
or
is
intended
now,
according
to
the
council's
vote,
to
be
used
to
hire
a
consultant
to
develop
the
citywide
traffic
calming
implementation
plan
that
that
specific
intent
could
be
closed,
but
that
it
would
continue
in
the
sense
that
that
continues
to
be
the
council's
direction
for
the
use
of
that
money.
And
if
there
are
additional
related
intense
then
we
can.
We
can
certainly
add
them.
E
G
Thank
You
mr.
chair
look
at
D
the
park
ranger
program.
We
had
previously
voted
as
a
council
to
incorporate
that
into
the
police
department
and
have
it
as
part
of
their
patrol
deployment
essentially
I.
Think
that's
for
me.
Something
we're
gonna
want
to
revisit
again
in
light
of
current
discussions
on
the
police
department
in
scope
and
I,
don't
know
if
keeping
that
open
Allison
makes
sense
through
our
discussions
in
the
next
little
while
with
the
police
department
budget
and
maybe
some
ripple
effects
across
the
other
budget
or
if
we
need
to
start
something
new
I'm.
E
G
G
B
A
B
E
E
The
first
one
is
a
kind
of
inexplicably,
but
it's
performance
measures
for
homeless
services,
funding,
open
B,
neighborhood
safety
program
for
HRC's,
open
c,
evaluate
additional
Medical,
Response
Unit
in
the
fire
department,
clothes
D,
streamlining
the
permitting
process,
open
e
prostitution,
outreach
program,
open,
F,
city-owned
land
inventory,
open
G
fleet
insurance
for
high-risk
vehicles,
open
age
funding.
Our
future
housing
program
outcome
report
open
eye
funding.
Our
future
new
sales
tax
funds
for
public
safety,
clothes,
J,
general
fund
subsidy
for
golf
clothes
or
amend
should
I
continue
with
the
others.
F
Yes,
your
honor,
your
honor
I,
heard
it's
gonna
be
a
day.
I
would
also
like
to
just
look
as
we're
addressing
that
when
I
do
agree
that
we
should
probably
address
it,
but
also
e
an
update
on
that
program
and
that's
it.
Those
are
my
only
two
concerns
which.
A
F
B
H
E
Not
really
I
think
it's
a
fine
line,
I'm
not
quite
sure,
I
think
that
both
of
you
could
be
correct,
but
we
could
add
a
specific
request
to
the
administration
for
an
output
for
an
update
on
the
prostitution
outreach
program.
I
think
it
is
likely,
with
all
the
other
things
going
on,
that
the
administration
simply
hasn't
had
the
ability
to
make
a
lot
of
progress
on
this.
I
E
G
I
B
A
G
My
intent
on
amending
and
is
that
we
gals
got
to
be
solving
right
now,
and
so
we
have
to
do
the
general
fund
subsidy,
but
the
previous
administration
recommended
ongoing
and
I
think
we
need
to
amend
that
and
have
a
broader
plan
for
those
properties
with
our
parks.
I'm
not
comfortable
with
just
open
and
stately
we're
gonna
keep
doing
this.
G
E
A
E
B
Yes,
so
I
have
open
in
a
man
called
open
and
request
update
on
prostitution,
outreach.
A
E
B
Wait,
no
I'm!
Sorry,
we
need
to
do
the
poll
on
that.
One
first
I'm,
sorry,
so
I
think
the
straw
poll
I'll
just
propose.
It
would
be
that
and
we
follow
staffs
recommendation
that
on
all
the,
except
that
we
would
keep
open
and
amend
for
golf
and
then
keep
open
and
request
an
update
on
prostitution
outreach
in
permitting
and
if
everyone
is
okay
with
that,
please
go
ahead
and
show
your
support.
B
E
A
I
B
If
we
can
just
mark
that
one
to
keep
it
open
and
ask
for
an
update
or
wait.
Let's
sorry,
let's
straw
play,
is
it
everyone
in
favor
of
keeping
that
one
open
and
then
asking
for
an
updated
briefing
and
consider
amendments
at
that
time,
see
support
from
councilmember
Fowler
Dugan,
Baltimore,
oohs,
Lana,
Rogers,
Johnston
and
I'm
supportive
as
well?
Okay,.
E
B
G
B
E
G
G
Right
here
it
says:
keep
this
is
open,
the
administration
indicates,
the
cost
analysis
will
be
be,
will
be
getting
sure
will
be
begun
shortly
on
the
finest
department,
but
the
completion
date
is
not
yet
known
indicates
to
me
that
it's
it's
planned
to
be
done.
It
will
be
done,
it's
just
not
done
yet.
Mr.
chair,
yes,.
A
B
B
B
B
I
proposed
a
straw
poll
to
keep
that
open
as
well
on
paper
and
councilmember
Johnston
Amano,
Fowler,
Baltimore's,
Dugan,
Rogers
and
I
am
as
well
so
also
unanimous.
Thank.
B
You
alright,
let's
move
on
to
item
number
three
on
our
agenda,
which
is
housing,
stability,
programs,
follow-up
discussion
and
Alison
Rowland
will
stay
on
and
to
help
us
from
Anna
Council
staff
perspective.
We
also
have
Loni
Anderson
goth,
director
and
Jennifer
McGrath.
Can
deputy
director
Marsha
white
director
of
TN
and
redneck
can
financial
administrative
services.
E
B
Great
Lonnie,
are
you
gonna,
take
us
to
batterer.
A
B
J
I
would
like
to
just
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
follow
up
on
this
important
topic.
We
have
been
working
on
many
ways
to
provide
housing
stability
to
our
community
through
this
kovat
19
pandemic
and
I
like
to
just
do
a
quick
run-through
of
the
information.
I
have
and
then
leave
the
room
and
time
for
council
members
to
raise
the
questions
that
you
might
have.
J
J
We
have
been
very
appreciative
that
the
council
allocated
funds
to
address
the
extraordinary
need
for
immediate
housing
stability
within
our
community.
There
are
many
safety
nets
that
have
been
in
place
and
are
beginning
to
expire,
for
instance,
the
eviction
moratorium,
that
was
on
the
state
level,
and
we
want
to
try
and
make
sure
that
as
we
move
forward,
our
vulnerable
residents
are
most
important
and
that
we
protect
their
housing
in
response
to
council's
direction.
The
administration
has
shifted
the
possible
use
of
the
Housing
Trust
Fund
lonely.
J
Payment
balance
also
sometimes
called
the
revolving
loan
balance,
and
we
have
managed
that
with
in
hand
and
we
anticipate
use
of
new
one-time
general
fund
1.1
million
dollars.
It's
our
hope
that
we
can,
during
this
conversation,
outline
the
criteria
for
both
rent
and
mortgage
assistance
and
then
rapid
rehousing
programming.
J
J
These
funds
will
go
through
a
competitive
application
process
and
we
hope
and
anticipate
that
these
applications
will
be
brought
before
the
council
and
at
least
in
late
June
or
early
July
as
a
transmittal,
and
is
also
working
to
identify
housing
stability
needs
that
align
with
the
funding
our
future
resources,
the
city
re-released,
the
funding,
our
future
applications,
so
that
community
partners
could
address
modifications
to
the
original
requests.
Those
are
based
on
mayor's
recommended
budget
and
to
address
Cobie
19
crisis
response
as
well.
J
The
requests
received
from
the
community
partners
will
be
discussed
with
the
mayor
that
kind
of
expedited
reapplication
process
closed
on
May
31st
and
as
soon
as
the
mayor
and
staff
with
in
hand
have
been
able
to
discuss
those
applications
and
that
will
be
brought
before
the
council
for
a
review.
It
is
our
intent
to
have
again
another
transmittal
for
funding
our
future
specific
to
the
council
by
the
end
of
June
or
early
July.
J
Potential
programming
funded
in
an
outlined
in
these
slides
could
help
prevent
salt
lake
city
residents
from
slipping
into
homelessness
or
remaining
unhoused
if
they
already
in
that
condition,
as
we
are
all
aware,
is
much
more
effective
to
provide
housing
stability
while
addressing
the
variety
of
issues
our
community's
experiencing
during
this
pandemic.
The
partners
that
are
proposed
for
your
consideration
are
recommended
because
they
are
trusted
in
our
community
and
they
have
the
skills
and
capacity
to
do
outreach
to
our
vulnerable
members
of
our
community.
J
So
they,
some
of
those
folks,
may
not
know
how
to
seek
assistance,
but
our
partners
are
experienced
in
in
providing
that
housing
is
one
of
the
key
barriers
that
perpetuates
inequities
in
our
community
and
by
ensuring
our
community
partners
are
targeting
assistance
to
those
disproportionately
impacted.
As
Rachel
mentioned
earlier
by
719,
we
can
start
to
break
down
some
of
those
barriers.
J
J
If
it's
alright
with
you,
I
would
just
like
to
dive
into
the
criteria.
Note
that
on
each
side
of
these
three
slides
we've
got
the
data
sources
that
we
have
researched
and
discussed
internally
with
within
community
neighborhoods
and
in
hand.
Those
data
sources
are
shown
at
the
end,
I'm,
sorry,
if
that
is
not
coming
through
super.
Clearly
the
data
sources,
arkmc
gardener
part
Policy,
Institute,
housing,
wire,
Census,
Bureau
public
poll
survey
and
the
national
Low
Income
Housing
Coalition
rent
assistance
report.
We
can
provide
those
in
full
detail
if
that's
wanted
by
the
council.
J
So
coming
back
to
rental
assistance
proposed
criteria,
sorry
I'm,
not
a
good
navigator.
Sometimes
everybody
able
to
see
slide
four,
okay,
great
so
Oh
for
rental
assistance.
Our
proposed
criteria
would
be
again
reiterating
the
partners
would
be
Utah.
Community
action
is
an
Asian
Association
and
Catholic
Community
Services
is
the
criteria
that
we'd
like
to
propose,
as
sixty
percent
of
average
median
income
and
the
assistance
would
be
at
fifteen
hundred
per
month
as
a
cap.
J
The
proposal
is
that
this
will
be
three
months
for
short-term
homeless
prevention
assistance
and
that
there
would
be
a
Ovid
19
related
temporary
financial
assistance,
so
this
would
be
determined
through
income
verification
based
on
the
past
30
days.
Typically,
the
income
criteria
looks
further
back
into
history,
but
in
this
particular
time
we
want
to
make
sure
we're
addressing
immediate
needs.
J
G
J
So
this
has
been
a
type
of
conversation
since
the
early
part
of
April,
when
we
were
beginning
to
understand
that
there
would
be
significant
impacts
to
our
community
members.
As
I
said,
the
main
are
the
first
data
set
that
we
considered
was
provided
to
us
on
a
very
short
fuse
from
Jim
woods
at
the
MC
Gardner
Institute,
and
we
know
that
community
members
within
our
city
are
there
are
many
of
them
that
are
extremely
low-income
and
that
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
bolster
up
their
very
tenuous
situation.
G
I
think
my
question
sort
of
was
for
those
who
are
below
say
20
or
30%
AMI
when
they're
the
same
risk,
because
they
may
be
on
fixed
incomes
and
maybe
weren't
disrupted,
but
between
30
and
80
percent
sort
of
I
want
to
sort
of
where
that
that
that
window
was
the
folks
who
would
lose
those
types
of
jobs.
I'm
just
wondering
how
that
fits.
That
makes
sense
at
all.
G
I'm
thinking
that
60%
seems
like
a
fairly
reasonable
threshold
of,
am
I
right
for
max.
There's
no
minimum
down
to
zero
I'm,
just
wondering
if
we
have
any
data
that
says
that
folks
who
are
on
safe,
fixed
incomes,
which
is
probably
those
below
20%,
am
I
the
word
nests?
Are
they
working
so
their
checks
didn't
get
interrupted
by
losing
with
Java?
So
there's
any
data
that
says
they're
losing
apartments
versus
folks,
just
above
them
who
we're
on
fixed
income
through
these
full
fixed
incomes,
may
have
lost
their
jobs
in
their
income.
That
makes
sense
yeah.
J
That
makes
sense
and
I
have
to
just
say:
I-
do
not
know
for
sure
how
we'd
look
at
the
lower
a
my
and
the
fixed
income
is
a
really
good
point,
councillor
Johnston,
that
those
are
things
that
I
would
hope
that
folks
that
are
on
those
fixed
incomes
wouldn't
have
as
much
impact
because
they're
stable
and
they
eat.
This
money
would
probably
be
in
30
60
percent,
more
likely
more.
J
J
J
J
Thank
you.
So
again
we
are
looking
to
Council
for
direction
and
support
of
our
proposed
partners.
Neighborworks
Salt,
Lake,
City,
/,
Salt,
Lake
and
Community
Development
Corporation
of
Utah,
similar
ami
60%,
ami
or
below
these
would
be
forgivable
loans,
part
of
a
5-year
owner-occupied
repayment
proposal
and
just
a
very
low
interest
loan
option.
J
If
folks
were
able
to
repay
more
quickly
within
a
year,
and
do
you
suggest
up
to
$5,000
or
potentially
1,800
per
month
for
about
3
3
months
again,
very
much
related
to
temporary
financial
assistance
and,
looking
at
the
past
months
worth
of
income
for
verification,
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
addressed
the
thoughts
about
how
how
we
would
target
individuals
that
do
not
have
access
to
forbearance
or
other
mortgage
assistance
and
again
I.
Don't
necessarily
feel
like
I
need
to
read
through
all
the
data.
K
Have
a
question:
somebody:
if
you
don't
know
how
we're
going
to
figure
out
was
able
to
get
help
from
the
banks
from
their
own
lenders.
Then
how
do
we
know
that,
there's
how
we're
gonna
figure
out
that
there's
a
need
and
also
how
we're
going
to
how
many
people
are
you
anticipating
that
will
need
help
with
this
funds?
K
K
Okay,
it's
just
in
the
reason
why
I
ask
is
because
you
know
we
need
some
metrics
like
more.
Like
more
specific,
we
need
to
get
a
little
bit
more
specific
with
us,
because
it's
an
emergency
and
and
if
we're
saying
absolutely,
we
want
to
help,
because
we
know
there's
a
need
then,
and
then
we
want
to
know
what
they
need
is
and
if
we
don't
know,
then
it
you
know
then
I'm
like
wait.
K
What
we
don't
know
who
needs
help,
but
we,
you
know,
okay
with
using
this
money,
that
you
know
we're
hoping
that
we're
gonna
get
replaced
at
some
point.
Cuz
we
had
out
of
plans
for
it.
So
that's
that's
why
I
asked?
That's
all
my
comments.
Thank
you.
J
Sure,
thank
you
and,
like
I
said,
we
are
still
working
with
our
community
partners.
One
of
the
things
that
CDC
Utah
has
communicated
to
us
just
in
the
past
few
days
is
that
they
anticipate
the
average
would
be
about
4,500
people
or
excuse
me
$4,500
per
household,
and
it
would
serve
about
21
households
if
they
were
to
take
half
of
that
I'm.
Two
hundred
fifty
thousand
that
we're
suggesting
for
mortgage
assistance.
L
J
Sure
so,
as
we
talked
about
this
on
previous
council
agendas,
we
had
proposed
one
hundred
fifty
thousand
total
for
the
rent
assistance
programs,
and
that
would
be
shared
between
Utah
committee
action,
Catholic,
Community,
Services
and
Asian
Association,
all
of
which
we've
been
talking
with
about
how
they
would
utilize
direct
client
assistance,
how
they
would
work
with.
You
know
those
that
come
two
to
two
on
one
or
other
ways
that
their
they
were
going
to
be
doing.
J
So
we
are
proposing
the
754
and
displaying
it
evenly
between
the
partners
and
then
250,000
for
neighbor
works
and
CDC
Utah
to
also
split
in
half
just
so
that
we
can
access
different
parts
of
the
city
that
are
their
current
clients
or
client
areas
for
those
partners.
If
the
council
would
like
us
to
do
that
differently,
we're
definitely
happy
to
take
that
in
consideration.
I.
K
Have
another
question
so
many:
do
we
have
any
information
and
any
data
from
your
department
that
you've
gotten
a
lot
of
phone
calls
from
people
that
are
saying
they
need
help
with
rental
assistance?
I
need
help
with
my
mortgage
that
this
is
an
emergency.
Do
you
do
we
know
more
and
less
how
many
people
have
contacted
the
city
and
your
department
so
that
we
can
yeah?
We
have
there's
actually
a
need
out
there
and
how
we
can
distribute
ourselves,
because
we
know
we
have
other
programs,
but
we
have
partners
that
they
can
do
it.
So.
J
I
do
not
have
that
data.
I
know
that
my
staff
are
taking
dozens
of
calls
every
day.
Some
of
them
are
our
current
customers
that
work
that
we
work
with
for
rehabilitation,
loans
or
mortgage
loans,
but
I
would
be
happy
to
come
back
with
a
definite
number
of
people
that
have
called
housing,
Neighborhood,
Development
and
then
I'm,
confident
that
our
United
Way
partners,
two
on
one,
we
will
to
provide
some
more
specifics.
I
apologize
I
don't
have
that
right
now,.
I
J
H
Thanks
mr.
chair
I'm
interested
in
how
some
of
the
guardrails
that
we
put
on
how
the
programs
are
administered
a
few
things
so,
for
instance,
if
we're
giving
rental
assistance
dollars
to
three
different
community
partners,
how
do
we
make
sure
that
one
household
doesn't
apply
to
all
three
and
sort
of
captured
more
of
those
dollars?
Then,
rather
than
getting
spread
out?
And
then
the
second
thing
is
I.
H
J
J
Guess
I
made
the
assumption
that
that
would
be
something
we
in
conjunction
with
our
partners,
would
be
making
sure
that
people
weren't
double
dipping
so
to
speak,
but
we
have
not
solidified
the
agreements
with
our
partners.
So
we
could
add
that
as
language,
though
it's
very
clear
that
we
wanted,
we
want
to
learn,
as
things
are
being
awarded
and.
H
I
guess
one
of
my
concerns
is
I,
think
with
some
of
the
both
ours,
but
also
the
state
and
federal
programs
for
the
sort
of
emergency
business
loan
loans.
It
I
think
one
sort
of
unintended
consequence
was
that
the
money
ran
out
very
quickly
for
all
of
those
programs,
and
it
seems
like
the
businesses
who
were
more
connected
to
banks
or
had
more
had
like
a
an
accounting
system
that
was
really
robust,
that
they
could
get
all
of
their
reports
done
really
quickly.
H
Those
businesses
had
an
easier
time
accessing
the
funds,
but
I'm
not
sure
that
those
are
the
ones
that
really
needed
it
as
much
as
the
ones
that
maybe
had
a
harder
time
filling
out
the
application
so
making
sure
that
the
deadlines
aren't
prohibitive
for
people
that
don't
have
an
accountant
on
hand
that
they
can.
They
can
call.
Are
things
like
that?
Some
of
those
guardrails
I
think
are
really
important
for
to
make
sure
this
money
is,
would
be
spread.
Yeah.
J
And
so,
in
speaking,
with
I've
spoken
with
Maria
Garcia's
and
with
Mike
acolo,
the
directors
for
CDC,
Utah
and
neighbor
works,
and
they
their
staff
is
already
very
accustomed
to
doing
outreach
in
appropriate
fashion
within
our
community,
and
they
they
have
a
system
framework
set
up
already
to
be
able
to
help
people
either
via
phone
email.
You
know
to
be
able
to
talk
with
them
about
their
needs
and
not
necessarily
make
them
have
to
do
a
complicated
online
application.
Okay,.
H
And
maybe
just
for
myself,
I
might
be
willing
to
just
trust
our
community
partners
that
they're
gonna
do
that.
Well,
but
I
hope
there'd
be
some
data
or
reporting
that
we
can
get
back
at
the
end
of
the
program
that
here's,
how
many
people
this
program
helped
and
here's
the
different
demographic
and
and
ethnic
groups
that
they
were
part
of
and
and
geographic
as
well
and
and
making
sure
that
that
matches
our
citywide
data
and
who
actually
needs
the
help.
So
I
guess
I
would
be
willing
to
trust
them.
K
The
most,
because
a
lot
of
families
have
not
been
able
to
go
back
to
work
because
they
were
affected
or
whatever
it
is,
and
so
maybe
we
need
to
make
it
more
robust,
like
very
intentional,
already
have
a
plan
somewhat
of
an
idea
who
we
want
to
help
because
of
their
circumstances,
then
in
turn
letting
other
somebody
else
to
tell
us
you
know,
and
then
all
of
a
sudden
we
run
into
issues
like
oh
man.
We
didn't
really,
you
know,
think
all
the
way
through.
So
I
should
like
to
point
that
out.
Thank
you.
B
J
Thanks
for
that
question,
council,
chair
and
Cindy
Gus
Jensen,
we
would
definitely
expect
that
when,
when
our
partners
are
coming
into
a
contract
or
agreement
with
us
that
we
as
the
city
will
provide
the
framework
and
the
metrics
that
we
require,
and
that
would
be
something
we
would
move
quickly
into.
We
use
in
grants
or
other
mechanisms
to
put
in
all
the
information
and
the
metrics,
and
then
we
expect
that
reporting
to
come
back.
Did
that
answer
the
question
yeah.
J
J
So
we
have
three
partners
that
currently
work
on
rapid
rehousing
for
folks
coming
out
of
homelessness,
the
road
home
you
talk,
Community,
Action
and
South
Valley
services.
This
could
potentially
serve
up
to
six
months
of
assistance
and,
with
a
little
bit
lower
a
my
threshold
than
our
rent
and
mortgage
assistance.
We
could
offer
this
as
a
variety
of
ways
to
help
with
deposit
rent
combined
with
case
management
services
that
each
of
these
partners
currently
does
in
this
realm
already.
J
We
would
like
to
also
really
focus
on
making
sure
that
priority
is
given
to
those
that
are
high
risk
individuals
and
non-congregate
shelter
to
receive
this
information,
or
excuse
me
to
receive
the
assistance
we
have
been
working
with
our
technical
advisor
or
assistance
through
Housing
and
Urban
Development
to
work
very
carefully
with
our
partners
identifying
how
the
funds
from
FEMA
and
other
HUD
would
potentially
bolster
or
be
separate
from
these
programs
as
you're
familiar
with
I.
Think
in
recent
reports
from
the
mayor's
office
from
mr.
J
J
J
I
J
I
B
Other
questions:
council,
members,
okay,
great
Thank,
You
Lonnie.
We
appreciate
the
presentation:
let's
go
ahead
and
item
4
on
our
agenda.
Is
a
tentative
15-minute
break
and
so
we'll
go
ahead
and
take
that
if
everybody-
but
we
won't
take
we're
gonna-
do
12
minutes
instead,
because
I
want
to
keep
us
going
on
schedule.
So
please
be
back
promptly
at
4:30
for
the
police
department,
follow-up,
reefing.
B
B
We're
going
to
go
to
the
item
number
five
on
our
agenda,
which
is
the
fiscal
year
2020
2021
budget
for
the
police
department.
This
is
a
follow-up
discussion
that
I
am
and
now
I.
Think
all
of
us
on
the
council
have
requested
at
the
table
with
us.
We
have
Jennifer
Bruno
from
the
City
Council,
this
sorry
City
Council
deputy
director.
We
also
have
chief
Brown,
so
I
wanted
to
start
by
asking
the
administration
to
share
and
follow
up
on
a
number
of
issues
and
then
I
thought
that
it's
following
that
presentation.
B
The
department
can
provide
from
the
QI
clarification
on
whether
salt
lake
city
follows
any
of
the
practices
that
are
criticized
in
other
communities
and
whether
written
policies
are
in
place
on
items
like
tear
gas
choke
holds
rubber
bullets.
Other
other
similar
equipment
methods,
clarification
on
the
crisis,
intervention
team
model
and
whether
Salt
Lake
City
uses
it
and
how
we
use
it.
B
M
B
Great
and
so
we
got
like,
as
I
said,
I
do
got:
chief
Mike,
Brown,
Deputy,
Chief,
Jim,
Dowd
and
executive
Eric.
Sorry,
chief
of
staff,
Rachel
Otto.
C
Thanks
mr.
chair
and
I
think
just
based
on
the
order
of
the
items
listed,
I
can
start
with
the
bigger
picture
view
around
the
equity
plan.
So
thanks
again
for
giving
us
an
opportunity
to
talk
about
this
and
I
know
that
you
all
know
that
it's
been
a
priority
of
this
administration
really,
since
the
transition
phase
to
figure
out
how
to
how
to
intentionally
build
more
equitable
communities.
C
And
that's
why
we
approached
you
several
weeks
ago
regarding
funding
for
a
citywide
equity
plan-
and
you
know,
that's
been
in
the
works
and
again
we're
grateful
for
the
council
for
funding
that
that
plan.
While
we
were
looking
at,
you
know
a
number
of
other
places
to
make
those
cuts.
So
the
equity
plan,
of
course,
is
more
of
the.
You
know.
C
Just
opportunity
and
then
provide
some
guideposts
there.
The
equity
plan
will
be
providing
us
with
some
guideposts
and
the
processes
to
ensure
that
we
are,
you
know,
allocating
resources
and
going
through
different
processes
through
the
city
really
intentionally,
so
that
we
can
increase
inclusiveness
and
belonging
overall
in
the
city.
So
that's
the
that's
the
longer-range
plan
and
you
know
we're
about
to
launch
the
RFP
process
there
and
looking
forward.
C
We
make
sure
that
the
community
has
a
chance
to
weigh
in
on
the
kinds
of
outcomes
and
deliverables
we're
hoping
to
get
from
the
plan.
I
know
if
we've
talked
about
that
before
and
we
are
looking
forward
to
coordinating
with
you
and
the
count
and
the
rest
of
the
council
on
that
process.
So,
first
you
know
with
recent
events.
I
think
it's
become.
You
know
even
more
clear
to
all
of
us
that
there
are
steps
that
we
need
to
take
right
now.
So
that's
that's
part
of
the
you
know.
C
Obviously
it's
been
the
father
of
a
lot
of
internal
discussion
on
the
administrative
side
and
I
know
it
has
council
side
too,
and
I
think
that
we
have
a
lot
of
opportunity
to
work
together.
I
think
we're
thinking
a
lot
along
a
lot
of
the
same
lines.
So
we
have
been
working
toward
the
launch
of
a
commission
on
racial
equity
and
policing,
which
we
have
the
desire,
of
course,
to
work
with
you
on
so
that
you
know
it.
C
May
it
may
be
a
citywide
Commission
on
racial
equity
and
policing,
not
necessarily
just
housed
on
the
side
there,
but
the
way
that
we've
been
envisioning,
the
Commission
is
to
task
it
with
organizing
community
listening
sessions
to
begin
with,
and
then
working
towards
a
community
charter
or
kind
of
a
community
contractor
compact
of
sorts.
With
the
advocates
who
do
want
to
collaborate
and
coordinate
with
us,
then
the
next
step
there
would
be
being
able
to
examine
police
department
policies,
particularly
around
you
so
force
and
engagement
with
the
broader
community.
C
And
you
know
the
goal
is
really
just
to
be
very
transparent
around
an
intentional
around
looking
at
policies
looking
at
best
practices
and
being
able
to
talk
to
the
public
about,
you
know
what
what
the
changes
they
want
to
see
might
be
and
how
we
can
effectuate
some
of
those
changes.
So
there's
there
are
other
plans
just
on
the
on
the
administrative
side.
That
I
know
that
you
know
the
council's
doing
work
to
and
I'm
hoping
that
in
the
coming
days,
we'll
be
able
to
get
together
and
work
together
on
a
lot
of
these
initiatives.
C
So
I
know
that
that's
that's
kind
of
high
level
in
terms
of
the
equity
work,
but
you
know
that
the
the
immediate
equity
work
that
we're
focusing
on
in
police
in
the
police
department
will
be.
You
know
one
piece
of
the
citywide
equity
plan.
So
you
know
the
equity
plan
is
obviously
a
much
bigger
project
and
we'll
look
at
food
digital
processes,
all
of
all
of
that
all
of
those
issues
and
the
police
equity,
and
you
know
racial
equity
and
policing
and
how
we
approach.
C
N
Rachel
I
am
sorry,
I
had
to
jump
off
for
another
meeting
for
a
few
minutes.
There.
I
would
just
add
that
that
general
structure
that
she
outlined,
where
we're
looking
at
short,
medium
long
term
and
the
different
the
different
types
of
actions,
be
administrative
or
budget
or
policy,
is
also
a
structure
for
us
to
orient
and
our
community
conversations
that
were
having
and
be
able
to,
hopefully
efficiently
receive
ideas
and
feedback
and
be
able
to
triage
things
so
to
speak
and
be
able
to
move
as
quickly
as
we
can.
N
N
It
would
have
been
easy
for
the
council
to
say
not
now,
let's,
let's
hold
off,
but
that's
not
who
you
are
and
that's
not
what
you
did
and
that
commitment
that
you
and
I
share
to
to
pulling
back
there
of
how
the
city
operates
and
how
we
may
perpetuate
inequities
without
meaning
to
do
so.
But
we're
ready
to
fix
it
now
is
something
that
you
know
brings
a
lot
of.
N
B
Thank
you
and
chief,
do
you
want
to
talk
us
through
read
constat
information.
O
Yes
and
Thank
You
mr.
chair
Wharton,
and
thank
you
to
all
the
council
members
for
allowing
us
the
chance
to
talk
about
some
very
important
issues
that
we
need
to
address
here
in
our
city,
but
even
more
importantly,
across
the
country
and
and
I
just
want
to
say
and
I
think
I'd
be
remiss
if
I
didn't
say
15
days
ago
with
the
death,
the
tragic
death
of
mr.
George
Floyd.
O
Last
Tuesday
I
brought
some
officers
in
here
to
talk
about
some
officers
in
to
address
a
group
of
African
American
community
leaders
to
talk
about
what
we've
done
and
what
we
do,
and
it
was
kind
of
a
grassroot
efforts,
brought
the
officers
in
kind
of
unscripted
into
a
tea.
These
officers
were
very
upset
because
the
actions
of
those
four
officers
and
Minneapolis
have
I've
really
cast
all
of
us
in
a
very
bad
light,
and
our
officers
basically
said
that
would
not
happen
here.
O
We
have
a
duty
to
intercede
and
to
take
care
of
each
other
and
they
were
almost
enraged
by
what
the
had
happened
and
said.
Those
those
individuals
didn't
even
deserve
to
wear
a
badge
or
be
called
officers.
But
right
now,
I'm,
here
to
to
talk
with
you
and
I
hope
that,
as
we
move
forward
the
things
that
we
decided
to
do
the
city
that
were
that
they're
based
in
in
best
practices,
evidence-based
their
informed,
their
comprehensive
and
their
thoughtful.
O
O
With
that
I'd
like
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
ComStat
CompStat
is
we
have
a
unit
within
the
police
department?
That
is
a
CompStat
unit,
and
it's
it's
led
by
a
director
who
has
four
or
five
civilian
analysts
that
worked
for
her
and
they
do
great
work.
Most
of
their
work
is
has
been
dedicated
to
crime,
stats
and
and
tellings
of
intelligence-led
policing.
O
Every
week
we
put
out
a
report
that
shows
the
hotspots
and
different
things
that
crimes
that
are
trending
spikes,
the
locations
and
where
we
should
direct
our
our
officers
and
their
efforts
to
help
control
crime
in
the
city.
But
a
lot
of
things.
There
are
a
few
other
things
that
they
do,
that
people
don't
realize
they
also
put
together
and
track
use
of
force,
and
all
these
things
are
on
our
website.
O
B
Sorry,
just
one
second
I
wanted
to
get
clarification
on
what
we'd
asked
previously
and
where
are
the
policies
written
down
that
talked
about
whether
our
department
uses
tear
gas
chokeholds
rubber
bullets?
Things
like
that?
Okay.
O
Within
our
policy
we
have
a
large
policy
and
procedure
manual
and
within
there
we
address
these
policies,
policies
that
talk
about
restraints,
but
I
will
tell
you.
It
does
not
say
that
we
will
not
use
choke
holds
and
we
will
not
use
dealing
on
Airways
or
neck
manipulation.
I've
been
doing
this
job
for
thirty
years
here
in
Salt,
Lake,
City
and
and
through
our
training
and
practice
and
culture
I've
never
been
taught
that
I'm
not
saying
it
doesn't
need
to
be
written
down.
O
I'm
just
saying
that
we
don't
teach
that
we
don't
train
it
and
on
the
streets
we
don't
use
it.
The
only
time
it
would
ever
be
used
is
if
it
was
a
fight
for
your
life
type
situation.
That
would
require,
or
will
it
be
allowed,
that
an
officer
use
deadly
force,
but
as
far
as
a
restraining
issue
or
to
hold
somebody
like
you
saw
in
Minneapolis,
we
do
not
do
that
I,
don't
in
talking
with
mayor
men
at
home
and
her
staff.
We
have
started
today
to
revisit
actually
to
rewrite
that
policy.
O
I
will
have
policies
to
you,
the
council,
to
review
all
of
us
to
review
tomorrow,
and
we
can
have
that
that
policy
a
put
up,
basically
planting
the
flag
and
saying
we
will
not
use
chokeholds
and
we
will
not
use
tear
gas.
If
you'd
like
I
can
talk
a
little
bit
about
tear
gas
tear
gas,
we
it
tear
gas.
Is
we
don't
use
in
our
public
order,
our
public
order
unit,
the
ones
that
go
out
to
deal
with
riotous
situations,
the
things
that
we
saw
last
Saturday
very
disturbing
things
we
saw.
O
They
do
not
deploy,
tear
gas,
they
don't
train
on
it,
they
don't
use
it
and
they
don't
have
those
munitions
within
their
inventory.
The
only
squad
that
has
tear
gas
would
be
the
SWAT
team
and
that
would
be
used
if
somebody's
barricaded
in
us
in
a
home
or
a
residence
or
apartment,
but
it
would
be
used
very
in
isolation
and
directed
at
one
individual.
It
is
not
within
the
Salt
Lake
City
Police
Department's
policy
through
the
public
order
to
use
tear
gas,
because
that
would
be
an
indiscriminate
use
of
force.
O
The
force
that
we
use
and
we
and
I
and
I
will
say
that
we
don't
use
rubber
bullets
rubber
bullets
again:
they're
they're
rubber
bullets,
their
heart.
They
have
a
hard
core
and
they're
coated
in
rubber
and
they're
there
in
their
intention
is
to
be
fired
into
a
crowd
and
to
bounce
uncontrollably.
They
cause
contusions,
they
cause
abrasions
hematomas,
they
can
fracture
bones
and
they
can
actually
damage
organs
that
can
lead
to
death,
they're
indiscriminant
and
we
do
not
use
those.
We
use
very
selectively
fired.
O
Foam
rounds
that
would
be
used
at
individuals
on
as
a
use-of-force
very
selectively.
Those
that
are
are
continuing
violent
actions
or
destroying
property,
and
things
like
that.
So
again,
it
doesn't
say
in
our
policy.
In
fact,
it's
I
talked
to
the
commanders
this
morning.
It
doesn't
say
it
does
say
that
we,
we
have
tear
gas
as
an
option,
but
that
is
that
will
be
changed
and
we
will
basically
say
that
it
will
not.
It
will
not
be
used,
but
I
practice
again
and
by
policy
and
and
what
we,
what
we
do
on
the
street.
B
O
I
I
can
only
speak
to
what
Salt
Lake
City's
policies
are
and
what
we
do
and
what
we
use.
Now.
We
brought
agencies
from
all
over
the
state
here
to
help
and
again
they
may
have
different
tactics
and
techniques,
and
they
may
they
may
and
deploy
and
and
through
an
after-action
report
we'll
find
out
those
things,
but
that
this
lends
itself
to
that
bigger
conversation
that
we
need
to
have
on
a
national
platform.
A
B
O
B
O
They
try
to
give
every
verbal
command
in
the
possible
I
mean
to
drop
the
gun
drop.
The
knife
stop
resisting
whatever
may
it
be,
and
then
it
if
possible
and
practical
to
use
I
mean
you
would
you
would
never
go
from
a
situation
of
a
low-intensity
to
a
deadly
use
of
force
unless
that's
what
you
may
be
confronted
with,
so
there
are
different
tools
that
we
have
that
we
use.
The
very
first
is:
is
verbal
commands
like
you're
talking
about,
but
then
we
can
move
into
there's.
B
And
I
know
also,
we
are
opposite.
We
have
a
policy
that
requires
our
officers
to
intervene
if
other
officers,
if
they
see
an
officer
engaging
in
conduct,
that's
prohibited
by
Salt,
Lake
City.
Is
that
right?
Yes,
okay,
what
about
shooting
and
moving
vehicles
do
not
shoot
at
vehicles?
Hey?
Is
that
written
down
somewhere?
Yes,
that's
in
policy.
A
O
Unless
mr.
chair,
unless
it's
an
active
shooter
situation,
I
mean
if
it's
a
deadly
force
where
somebody's
firing
upon
citizens
are
firing
on
us
at
that
time,
that's
a
deadly
force
situation
and
and
probably
would
be
authorized,
but
just
as
a
standard
practice.
If
you
fired
at
a
moving
vehicle,
it's
not
a
threat
to
anyone.
You've
now
created
a
situation
where
you
have
a
vehicle,
a
large
3,000,
pound
weapon
going
down
the
street,
and
so
there's
a
lot
of
thought
and
training
that
goes
into
that.
Okay,.
B
O
Governor
I
just
saw
it
chief
now
you
just
joined
us
and
before
we
move
on
to
that
question
and
I'll
get
there,
but
chief
that
we've
been
working
over
the
last
four
or
five
months
to
implement
beanbag
rounds
within
our
Police
Department,
another
less
lethal
option
for
us
and
right
now,
chief
dad.
You
want
to
talk
about
the
numbers
and
where
they're
at
and
I
don't
believe
any
of
those
rounds
were
fired
at
the
protest.
Is
that
correct.
A
O
Mr.
chair,
when
we
have
an
officer
involved
critical
incident,
it
used
to
be
that
Salt
Lake
City
would
would
investigate
its
own
call
out
our
homicide
squad
and
they
would
basically
take
the
witness
statements.
Do
the
interviews
and
conduct
the
whole
investigation
to
find
out
if
the
investigate,
if
the
use
of
force
was
justified
by
law?
O
The
last
three
or
four
years
in
working
with
the
district
attorney,
we
have
moved
to
an
officer
involved
critical
incident
where
we
have
team
Salt,
Lake
City
has
a
team
West
Valley
has
a
team.
Unified
PE
has
a
team,
but
we
don't
investigate
our
own
officer
involve
critical
incidents.
So
when
we
have
a
shooting,
one
of
those
teams
is
called
in
and
the
scene
is
turned
over
them.
They
conduct
all
the
interviews.
O
They
collect
all
the
film
bodywork
cameras,
they
do
the
interviews
and
that
investigation
is
then
compiled
the
course
of
a
few
weeks
and
taken
to
the
district
attorney's
office
where
they
screen
the
information
and
then
district
attorney.
Sam
Gill
will
take
that
information
render
a
decision
whether
it
was
justified
by
law
under
the
use
of
force
statute.
O
A
O
There's
a
there
whether
there
are
other
reviews,
the
citizen
review
or
CR
b
also
takes
that
information,
and
then
there
are
seven
different.
There
are
about
ten
or
so
members
of
the
CRB,
but
they're
they
represent
each
count
district.
They
will
take
that
information
and
have
the
conversations
annexed
and
they
will
go
over
it.
O
Look
at
it
and
they'll
make
a
recommendation
to
the
police
department
on
their
finding
a
use-of-force
situation,
and
then
internally
we
have
our
internal
affairs
unit.
It
will
take
again
the
things
that
that
we've
gathered
from
these
investigations
and
conduct
our
own
interviews,
and
then
we
will
make
an
internal
review
of
policies.
So
there's
the
the
criminal
statutes
that
are
reviewed
by
the
DA
there's
internal
policies
that
are
reviewed
by
internal
affairs
and
then
we
have
the
CRB
that
makes
a
recommendation
back
to
the
chief's
office
on
their
findings
as
well.
B
Okay
and
then
sorry,
my
last
question
is:
who
sets
the
policy
is
that
by
state
law
or
by
city
or
by
practice,
who
sets
the
policy
of
how
far
we
want
to
go
with
either
escalating
or
using
force
relative
to
the
crime?
That's
being
investigated
so
like,
for
example,
who
decides
that
if
there
is
going
to
be
a
property
crime,
whether
we,
whether
we
chase
the
person
down
or
something
like
that,
do
we
is
that
a
policy
decision,
or
is
that,
like
the
officers
hat,
they
were
trained
to
to
follow?
O
O
But
a
lot
of
it
is
from
tactics
and,
if
they're
confronted
with
the
use
of
force
situations,
we've
trained
them
extensively
through
our
through
our
academies
and
through
an
FTO
process
and
process
to
use
that
training
and
to
use
their
judgment
to
take
the
necessary
steps
to
keep
the
to
apprehend
this
individual
if
possible,
and
to
try
to
try
to
maintain
the
same
feat
of
life.
We
try
to
do
it
at
the
lowest
level
we
can.
O
In
the
recent
years,
we've
we've
really
embarked
on
a
lot
of
training
that
is
focused
around
the
escalation
and
talking
and
using
exceptional
tactics.
If
we
can
get
ourselves
to
a
position
of
cover-
and
we
have
time
if
you
could
need
to
increase
the
time
you
have
more
time
to
communicate
in
to
deescalate.
So
our
officers
are
always
looking
for
those
situations
that
will
afford
them
the
opportunity
to
be
escalated
and
in
this
organization,
for
the
last
three
or
so
years,
we
we
have
worked
very
hard
to
do
those
things.
O
In
fact,
I
firmly
believe
the
way
you
practice
the
game
on
Monday
Tuesday,
Wednesday
Thursday,
is
how
you're
gonna
play
the
game
on
Saturday,
and
so
we
work
hard
and
it's
not
just
it's
just
not
our
boat,
our
initial
Academy.
We
come
back
for
another
40
hours
of
in-service
training
every
year
and
de-escalation
is
part
of
those
trimester
trainings
that
we
do
again.
O
It
can't
be
it's
much
like
implicit
bias,
training
the
escalation,
it's
not
one
and
done
you
can't
just
check
the
box,
have
the
certificate
and
say
I'm
ready
to
go
it's
something
that
you
can.
You
need
to
continually
work
on
all
the
time,
and
so
we
actually
have
a
medal
that
we
we
hand
out
to
officers
that
have
used.
Is
these
exceptional
tactics
where
they
could
have
used
deadly
force
and
didn't?
A
The
type
of
crime
that
someone
and
the
standard
that
there
are
officers
are
held
to
as
the
standard
the
Supreme
Court
said
in
Graham
versus
Connor,
which
does
take
that
into
account
what
type
of
crime
was
the
officer
trying
to
enforce
or
pursue,
or
whatever
before
they
use
any
type
of
force
and
they're
held
to
that
standard
know
what
that's?
What
informs
our
use
of
force
continuum
and
how
we
train
our
officers
as
well.
That's
the
standard
they're
held
to
in
judge
play
okay.
K
Thank
you
so
much
for
the
information,
a
lot
of
questions
from
looking
at
the
staff
report
and
all
the
things
that
we
do.
Let's
start
with
your
that
procedures
manual
that
you
were
talking
about.
Maybe
it's
a
policy
it.
Where
is
it
who
writes
it
and
who's
involved
with
it
like
it?
Does
the
council
have
any,
do
we
see
it
ever?
Do
we
have
any
input
on
this
procedure
manual
that
you're
talking
about?
We.
O
O
We
recently
embarked
on
a
kaliya
accreditation,
which
is
a
Commission
accreditation
for
law
enforcement,
and
we
we
actually
achieve
that
in
that
way.
That's
a
huge
milestone
for
our
law
for
our
agency,
but
in
doing
that,
every
policy
within
that
manual
is
reviewed
and
looked
at
and
now
have
an
audit
squad
that
looks
at
different
issues
brings
back
information
but
as
far
as
council
input,
I
don't
believe.
We've
ever
had
council
input.
O
I'm,
not
I'm,
not
not
concerned
to
share
those
with
you
and
to
have
the
conversations
like
we're
having
now,
because
sometimes
we
have
blind
spots.
Sometimes
we
see
it
see
things
different,
but
it
doesn't
hurt
to
have
those
communications
with
the
community
as
well
as
the
council
or
anybody
that
wants
to
talk
with
us.
Okay,.
K
So
with
that
said
right
now
we
don't
you
know
we
don't
have
a
like
a
process
for
that
comes
to
comment
on
it,
but
you
said
you
said
you
will
be
reviewing
something
that
book
or
that
procedures
manual.
You
will
send
it
tomorrow
to
us
so
that
we
can
look
at
it
and
then
you
were.
You
were
interested
and
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
interested
in
taking
the
tear
gas
out
as
an
option,
also
the
rubber
rubber
bullets
out
as
an
option.
K
O
Yes,
what
I
did
is
I
talked
to
chief
Dowd
this
morning
and
knowing
that
our
policy
didn't
prohibit
chokeholds
and
didn't
prohibit
the
use
of
tear
gas
for
public
order
situations,
III
talked
to
chief
down
and
I
said
chief
could
get
going
on
this
and
Tim
I
believe
that
you
have
worked
on
that
today
and
we
should
have
a
policy
in
the
morning
that
we
would
like
to
share
with
you
on
those
things
to
look
at.
Is
that
correct,
chief
I.
O
It
took
us
a
matter
of
hours
to
do
that,
but
again
council,
if
you'd
like
to
see
that
and
in
may
or
min
and
all
I,
don't
know
if
you've
seen
that
or
your
staff,
but
we
can
all
look
at
that
because
right
now
look
these
are
big
deals
and
I.
Think
Salt,
Lake
City
should
lead
from
the
front
and
show
that
our
willingness,
the
open
and
transparent
and
make
it's
not
a
hard
decision.
We
don't
do
these
things,
but
we
should
state
it
in
black
and
white.
These
are
prohibited.
K
K
Right
great,
my
next
question
to
you
is
the
escalation
and
training
that
you
guys
have
and
there's
attachment
too.
It's
called
Department
performance
measures
of
the
staff
report
and
the
first
thing
that
you
say
in
there.
It
says
training
provide
a
minimum
of
two
elective
courses
annually,
one
of
which
will
address
the
escalation.
And
then
you
have
some
numbers
from
2016
20,
17,
18,
19
20.
It
says
5,
3,
2,
3,
I'm,
not
sure
what
that
means
is
that
5
training
courses
per
officer-
it's
just
5
officers,
I'm,
not
council,.
O
K
Maybe
the
better
question
is:
there's
some
training
that
you
guys
do.
You
know
Mormons
measures.
It
does
say
that
I'm,
assuming
that
the
officers
have
two
elective
courses
annually,
one
of
them
has
to
be
the
explanation
and
then
another
one
I'm,
not
sure
what
that
might
be.
Is
this
a
yearly
thing
when
they
get
trained
on
de-escalation?
K
A
Me
just
say:
we
have
what
we
call
trimester
lis
training,
so
10
hours,
every
trimester
of
the
year.
We
provide
the
training
that
they
have
to
go
each
one.
Does
we
really
really
try
and
I
think
I
can't
think
of
the
time
we
have
it
the
escalation
training
in
any
of
those
and
then
they
they
have
to
have
40
hours
to
keep
their
a
peace
officer
certification.
So
that's
where
the
elective
courses
come
and
they
can
get.
They
can
take
an
elective
course,
but
one
of
them
has
to
be
the
escalation
course.
A
F
A
They
could
it
could
have
been
that
the
two
and
2018
I
have
to
go
back
and
let
the
two
in
2018
was
Harbinger
and
blue
courage.
So
we
have
many
many
sessions
that
go
through
those.
So
that's
the
number
of
different
courses
they're
provided
at
me.
It
may
be
if
these
sessions
of
a
course-
but
we
have
one
course
did
that
make
sense.
Okay,.
O
They
are
required
training
at
least
the
40
upper
there
are
required
trainings
that
they
that
they
need
to
attend.
I'd
have
to
look
at
exactly
what
those
courses
are,
but
I
think
chief
doubts
right.
Those
were
blue
courage
and
are
batur
training
that
we
implemented
in
2016,
but
we've
been
working
on
those
courses
for
the
last
two
or
three
years
to
get
everybody
through
all
of
those,
because
that's
a
huge
that's
a
huge
impartment
I.
K
Think
that's
one
of
the
things
that
I'm
looking
at
when
you
know
when
we
talked
about
systemic
issues
that
we
might
have
I
think
we
ought
to
have
better
information
and
in
any
case
you
know,
de-escalation
courses
must
be
taken
by
all
officers
once
or
twice
a
year.
You
know,
if
not
twice
a
year.
At
the
very
least
we
saw
you
know
from
one
of
the
incidents
of
some
some
officers.
You
know
suggested
to
today's
collate
the
situation,
one
of
the
videos
that
we
saw,
but
then
it
ended
up.
K
You
know
it's
something
different,
but
obviously
somebody
has
done
the
escalation
class
down,
but
there
were
other
that
not
necessarily
you
know
didn't
didn't,
look
like
they
did,
and
so
that's
all
I'm
asking,
because
if
we
can
have
all
the
officers
you
know
and
truly
understand
what
the
escalation
means,
and
you
know,
and
have
that
as
a
very
first
thing
that
they
do
and
try
as
long
as
I.
Can
that
may
be.
The
outcome
of
certain
instances
will
be
different,
then
the
last
the
last
thing
for
it
for
now.
K
So
the
independent
investigation
that
you're
talking
about
that
holding
so
unified
police
or
West
Valley
City,
will
do
those
or
asked
in
case
of
another
jurisdiction.
Do
you
guys
have
a
timeline
like
a
time
frame
where
this
investigation
needs
to
happen,
so
that
so
that
people
know
what
to
expect
when
it
goes
to
the
DA?
So
our
cameras,
for
example,
we
know
in
ten
days
we
have
to
you
know
you
have
to
release
the
videos
to
the
public.
These
investigations,
it's
a
thirty
days.
It's
a
45
days.
O
There's
not
a
policy
as
far
as
how
long
the
investigation
takes
many
time.
The
initial
investigation
done
by
the
OIC
I
team,
whether
it's
unified
or
West,
Valley
or
Salt,
Lake
City
many
times
that'll,
be
completed
within
four
to
six
weeks.
Some
are
a
little
more
complicated
and
others
that
involve
many
more
witnesses
and
different
things
that
they
need
to
pull
together,
but
I
would
say
most
of
them
are
screened
within
probably
two
months
with
the
District
Attorney's
Office
and
from
there
he
pours.
O
K
I
understand
that
and
then
we
can
talk
to
the
you
know
the
DA
about
their
process,
but
I
I'm
interested
in
our
process.
If
we
have,
even
if
unified
police
didn't
have
it
or
West
Valley
per
us,
Salt
Lake
City,
when
we
investigate
a
crime
for
another
jurisdiction,
sorry
another
no,
no
crime,
but
the
investigation.
K
If
you
know
if
we
could
have
a
Swifter
timeline
or
a
sector
timeframe,
when
our
investigation
is
to
happen,
I
would
like
to
advocate
for
that
I
think
it's
important
to
to
be
the
example
on
you
know
on
certain
things.
We
don't
want
things
to
take
too
long.
Where
we
forget
about
you,
know
stuff
and
then
do
you
guys
have
a
code
of
conduct.
That's
my
last
question.
For
now
a
code
of
conduct
within
your
department.
O
Absolutely
it's
part
of
our
policy
and
some
of
the
very
first
policies
that
are
listed
in
there
and
our
expectations.
Our
mission
or
vision
are
our
core
values.
So,
yes,
absolutely
what
we
expect
of
our
officers.
If
you
would
like
council,
member
of
all
the
morals
that
going
back
to
your
other
question,
I
can
get
with
our
ROIC
I-team
and
just
look
at
some
of
the
ones
we've
been
called
out
on.
To
give
you
a
date.
I
mean
kind
of
a
time
range.
O
You
councilmember
I,
just
one
more
thing:
you
are
you
or
any
council
member
are
more
than
welcome
to
attend
any
of
the
trainings
that
we
do
to
our
de-escalation
trainings
or
some
of
the
courses
we
will
be
put
on.
You
would
be
more
than
welcome
to
sit
and
hear
what
we're
talking
about
we're
training
our
officers
to.
G
Thanks
mr.
chair
and
I
appreciate
the
question
since
the
details
matter
a
lot
right
now,
so
chief
and
deputy
chief
appreciate
your
answers,
and
particularly
the
the
quick
turnaround
for
those
policy
changes.
My
house
I
echo,
my
my
fellow
council
members,
questions
to
make
sure
we
have
some
details
and
plates
now.
My
question
is
more:
the
bigger
picture,
structural
changes
that
I'm
looking
towards
and
the
mayor
and
there
rachel
urato
referred
to
earlier
about
one
of
them,
which
is
a
commission
essentially
on
I
love.
The
fact
that
I
have
a
whiteboard
behind
me.
G
I'm
gonna,
pull
this
up
and
show
you
my
thoughts
cuz,
it's
easier
than
done.
You
know
mayor
what
I
want
you
to
do
is
correct
me
if
this
is
not
aligning
what
you're
thinking
as
well
or
anybody
else,
what
I'm
thinking
right
now
throw
it
out
there
is
my
brother's
keeper
Alliance
have
the
the
pledge
I'll
believe
we
looked
at
doing
this
review,
engage
report,
reform
that
looks
familiar
to
you.
Buddy
will.
G
New
police
policies
and
practices
engage
the
community
a
wide
community
in
getting
information
and
feedback
report
and
get
feedback
again.
Then
look
at
reforms.
My
assumption
right
now
is
a
potential
Commission
on
racial
equity
and
policing
would
handle
this
piece
as
well
as
perhaps
make
recommendations
on
reforms
and
your
look
at
details.
G
The
question
for
me
is
in
our
current
budget
and
I've
gotten
a
lot
of
feedback
as
I
think
you
all
have
a
lot
of
emails
about
quote-unquote
defunding,
the
police
department
this
year,
as
well
as
I've
gotten
a
lot
of
emails
about.
Don't
you
from
the
police
department
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we
are
looking
at
well.
The
reality
is
right.
G
A
B
So
I'll
just
restate
it
really
quickly
should
is
our.
Can
we
charge
the
existing
human
rights
omission
and
the
police
civilian
review
board
with
with
doing
these
important
tasks
and
maybe
save
a
little
bit
of
staff
time
and
money
not
having
to
reinvent
the
wheel
because
they're
already
in
place,
they
already
have
you
know
they're
already
staffed
or
excuse
me
not
staffed,
but
they're
already
we
already
have
people
serving
is
what
I'm
saying,
and
so
that
would
be
one
less
delay.
G
What
I'm
thinking,
though,
is
this
is
perhaps
for
the
city
and
the
police
department.
If
it's
systemic,
we
need
to
really
get
a
full-blown
look
at
the
whole
scope.
Frankly,
this
piece
down
here
is
where
it
sort
of
draws
me
and
saying:
do:
police
have
to
be
our
frontline
responders
for
unsheltered
homelessness
or
clear
mental
illness
issues
or
substance
use
issues.
Are
there
other
ways
that
we
could
allow
police
to
do
what
we
are
training
them
for?
G
Frankly,
I'm
not
saying
they
don't
deescalate
well
and
do
CIT
and
those
kind
of
things,
but
could
we
have
other
interventions
that
would
allow
community
policing
to
be
more
effective
for
everybody
and
that's
sort
of
a
big
scope
change
in
my
view,
and
that's
where
I'm
thinking
we
may
need
something
stand
alone:
I,
don't
think
the
Human
Rights
Commission
is
a
bad
idea
in
any
way.
Krishna
should
be
a
big
part
of
this
frankly
for
the
whole
city
in
the
equity
discussion.
G
B
I
want
to
remind
people,
and
that,
unlike
other
boards,
that
are
largely
administrative,
the
Human
Rights
Commission
that
both
the
mayor
and
the
council
can
direct
them
because
we
they
they
advise
both
sides,
both
branches,
so
that
that
is
an
option.
Council
members
we
could,
as
a
council
say
we
want
to
look
at
these
issues
and
come
back
to
us
and
councilmember
Fowler.
F
And
I
do
have
a
few
questions,
so
chief
and
a
couple
of
things
that
have
been
brought
up
or
something
that
has
been
brought
up
a
couple
of
times
is
the
community
review
board
and
whether
or
not
it
has
well
for
me
whether
or
not
it
it
has
any
real
power
or
if,
in
fact,
it's
sort
of
just
lip
service
to
something
so
I'm
curious.
You
mentioned
that
the
community
review
board
or
this
excuse
me,
the
citizen,
review
board,
can
review
and
I
believe
the
investigation
or
the
investigative
report
and
then
provide
recommendations.
F
O
Citizen
review
board
a
the
chair,
Rick
Rasmussen,
I,
think
by
statute.
They
review
all
use
of
horse
and
Rick
is
privy
to
to
sit
in
any
and
all
of
the
Internal
Affairs
interviews
to
be
able
to
ask
questions
to
provide
to
seek
out
the
information
that
he
would
need
to
take
back
to
the
citizen
committee.
That's
going
to
review
these
things
once
that's
done.
They
take
the
interviews
and
everything
independent
of
our
ia
and
take
that
back
and
review
them
with
it
with
that
their
committee
that
then
will
render
a
decision.
O
Many
times
that
we're
in
alliance-
sometimes
they
they
recommend,
we
hold
officers
accountable
and
they
recommend
that
the
it
wasn't
a
violation
of
policy
I'll
tell
you
some
really
good
things
that
have
come
out
of
the
citizen
review
board
from
a
big
perspective
when
we
had
shooting
up
in
the
avenues,
mr.
burger
James
burger.
At
that
time,
we
were
allowing
officers
to
go
on
calls
with
only
one
officer.
You
could
call
and
say
you
know,
advise
if
I
need
it
back.
One
of
the
big
recommendations
was
that
is
not
a
good
practice.
O
You
go
down
a
bad
path
that
you
can
reach
in
and
grab
them
on.
The
shoulder
says:
909,
that's
the
code
work
I'm
in,
and
you
just
step
back
and
let
me
take
it
that
we
don't
end
up
doing
those
things,
so
they
provide
recommendations
to
us
kind
of
on
the
big
picture
and
things
they
see.
So
in
that
aspect,
they're
very
valuable,
I.
A
G
F
With
this
process
does
the
administrative
person,
then
not
the
chair,
but
the
administrative
person
Rick?
Does
he
go
to
the
citizen
review
board
before
going
to
the
internal
affairs
and
asking
questions
meaning?
Does
he
go
and
brief
the
board
and
get
their
ideas
of
what
questions
they
might
have?
Regarding
the
situation?
O
F
Thank
you
I
wanted
to.
We
were
talking,
obviously
about
the
use
of
force.
You
mentioned
use
of
force
situations
and
I
was
confused
about
whether
that
was
use
of
force
from
if,
if
you're,
in
a
situation,
if
there
was
a
policy
and
I
need
to
formulate
that
question,
I'll
come
back
to
it.
I
have
other
ones
when.
A
F
Looking
at
the
staff
report
that
was
up
a
minute
ago
in
that
table
and
I
know
that
that's
not
in
front
of
you,
chief
and
I
apologize,
but
there
is
a
table
of
metrics
regarding
community
oriented
policing
in
the
years,
I
want
to
say
2018,
2019
and
2020.
It
says
100%
that
you
have
a
social
worker
and
officers
or
the
CIT
officers
that
are
deployable
each
each
shift,
and
it
just
says
100%.
Would
it
be
possible
to
provide
further
information
regarding
that?
What
that
100%
means
are
they
deployed
on?
F
F
F
F
So
I
think
I
just
would
want
some
more
data
on
how
often
they
were
actually
deployed
and
if
possible-
and
clearly
this
is
more
of
a
long-term
being
I.
Don't
expect
it
tomorrow,
but
kind
of
one.
That
outcome
was
we
keep
talking
about
community
policing
and
how
how
we
have
this
as
a
goal
and
a
model
of
what
we
want
to
do
and
right
now
it
says
four
shifts
per
week
and
and
how
many
shifts
a
week
do
you
have.
O
O
Mental
health
and
homelessness,
which
is,
you
know,
find
out
what
the
root
cause
and
help
people
move
on,
rather
than
just
continually
going
back
and
dealing
with
them
daily
basis
on
a
police
call.
So
I
would
I.
If
you
could
give
me
some
time,
I'd
like
to
give
you
some
some
numbers
and
some
because
we
have
numbers
that
not
only
show
the
effectiveness
and
being
able
to
reduce
the
calls
for
service,
but
also
there
is
I
know
one
individual
that
they
tracked.
She
was
a
female
that
or
the
course
of
a
year.
O
She
had
amassed
almost
250,000
dollars
worth
of,
I
mean
hospital,
stay
time.
Mental
health
I
mean
ambulance,
fire,
police
and
and
and
when
we
got
her
connected
with
a
social
worker,
we
were
able
to
get
her
into
a
program
and
basically,
she
became
self-sufficient
and
we
didn't
have
the
the
effort
that
had
to
be
bein
to
our
community
and
taxpayers
was
huge.
Is.
O
F
No
I
I
mean
I'm
with
you
on
that
one,
a
couple
other
few
other
questions
and
then
I'll
be
done,
and
you
did
mention
this
sort
of
duty
to
intervene
of
our
officers
as
one
of
the
policies
that
if
they
see
something
and
another
officer
shouldn't
be
living-
and
you
mentioned
909-
that
is
that
policy
of
a
duty
to
intervene
is
that
written
in
our
policies.
Okay,
I
wasn't
sure
on
that.
But
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
that.
F
F
F
But
you
know
we
do
have
city
quotes
that
a
city
code
that
criminalizes
certain
acts
and
all
of
you
are
very
familiar-
that
I
am
pretty
familiar
with
a
lot
of
the
people
that
end
up
in
our
criminal
justice
system
and
the
reasons
why
and
one
of
the
things
I
would
like
to
really
do
is
look
at
our
city
code,
because
that's
all
we
can
control,
but
then
I
think
we
have
a
way
to
advocate
on
in
a
larger
level
of
getting
rid
of
some
of
the
stuff
that
maybe
doesn't
need
to
be
there.
F
F
F
Yet
you
know
our
city
code
says
you
can't
camp
in
a
park
right
and
we
recognize
you're
not
supposed
to
camp
in
a
park.
But
do
we
need
to
have
that
a
criminal
act?
Could
that
be
a
civil,
fine
right?
And-
and
so
maybe
there
are
things
here
that
we
can
actually
look
at
in
a
more
in-depth
way.
The
other
question
I
had
was
more
on
the
budget,
since
we're
kind
of
here
also
supposed
to
talk
about
that.
Can
hew.
F
F
2021
is
police
officer
equipment,
it's
six
hundred
and
nine
thousand
and
seven
hundred
seven
hundred
and
twenty
dollars
I
was
wondering
what
kind
of
police
equipment
that
was
budgeted
for
because
we,
my
understanding,
is
that
it's
not
body
cams,
because
right
so,
which
is
another
question,
but
you
wouldn't
know
what
that
police
equipment
would
be
funded.
I.
O
Would
I
would
I'm
only
guessing
because
I
can't
see
the
report
or
the
column,
but
I
mean
the
outfit
and
officer
when
we
hire
an
officer
and
the
uniforms.
The
protective
vest,
the
belt
the
gun,
the
Taser,
it
might
be
the
computers
in
the
car.
It
could
be
everything
that
are
off
somewheres
and
uses
as
far
as
equipment
and
updating
equipment
and
different
things
like
that.
Chief
dad.
You
have
anything
more
on
that.
A
F
Think
the
generalization
of
what
you
just
mentioned
is
fine.
If
we
need
more,
I
can
get
it
offline,
I
dig
into
it
and
then
finally,
the
body
cams,
you
know
I
think
it's
important
that
all
of
our
officers
have
a
chance
and
so
do
do.
We
have
suggestions
on
how
to
how
to
get
that
to
happen
and
have
that
hiding
under
their
employer.
I.
O
Councilmember
Fowler
I
love
cameras,
Salt
Lake
City
took
a
stance
a
long
time
ago
that
we
would
have
cameras
on
our
officers.
We
had
them
on
everyone,
that's
the
right
side
of
history
and
thank
you
for
supporting
us
for
the
many
years
that
we've
had
them,
but
they
get
that
cameras
wear
out
and
they
break
they
used
to
be
the
ones
that
were
wired
to
a
battery
pack
and
now
they're
cordless.
O
If
an
officer
draws
their
kazar
out,
they're
actually
tied
to
the
camera,
so
it
it
turns
the
camera
on.
So
it's
a
real
quick
fast-paced
situation.
You
don't
have
to
remember
to
reach
up
and
touch
that
button.
Two
times
to
turn
it
on,
because
sometimes
that
is
hard
a
seconds
count
so
but
they're
getting
there
more
and
more
expensive.
O
We,
we
have
budgeted
five
hundred
and
twelve
thousand
dollars
for
cameras,
and
so
we
need
we
need
more
than
that,
we
were
trying
to
make
do
with
getting
our
first
responders
to
have
cameras
and
those
would
be
the
people
out
on
there
on
the
out
on
the
street,
doing
it
and
then
having
maybe
a
10
or
15
cameras.
The
detectives
could
take
out.
But
if,
if
if
there
was
an
money,
doesn't
grow
on
trees
right
now,
but
if
there
was
something
we
could
invest
in
cameras
would
be
it.
It
may
take.
O
I
was
talking
to
captain
tear
link
earlier,
but
I
think
we
have
the
between
the
five
hundred
and
twelve
thousand
dollars.
I
think
we
have
a
hundred
and
eighteen
thousand
dollars
that
we
got
from
a
grant
couple
together.
That's
about
six
hundred
and
twenty
eight
thousand
dollars.
That
gets
us
a
good
start.
But
if
that
doesn't
get
everybody
a
camera
on
the
department,
so
the
detectives
still
would
have
to
to
borrow
a
camera
use
that
phone
app.
We
talked
about
on
on
the
night
we
presented
budget
well.
B
A
I
Takes
it
time,
chief
appreciate
that
deputy
chief
Dowd
the
same
thing,
thank
you
for
answering
all
those
questions
and
I
think
most
of
my
questions
already
asked
and
brought
forth
from
councilmember,
Johnston
and
Fowler
so
appreciate
the
effort
there.
I
just
want
to
kind
of
rate
or
anything
we're
looking
at
what's
on
the
police
officers
plate
and
as
it
is,
what
we
have
on
his
plate
is
what
should
be
on
his
plate,
or
should
we
move
that
to
someone
else's
plate
who's
who's
more
qualified
to
handle
the
issues
you
talk
to?
I
I
So
when
we
look
at
the
what's
on
the
police
officers
plate,
you
also
need
to
make
sure
that
our
train
is
balanced
to
what
he
should
be
trained
to
do,
and
we
got
to
make
sure
that
our
funding
for
that
and
our
funding
for
the
different
responsibilities
need
to
be
all
there
because
I
and
does
it
need
to
be
underneath
the
police
department's
budget.
Or
does
it
need
to
be
under
a
a
separate
departments,
budget
that
handles
the
community
affairs
and
that
that
needs
to
be
a
deep
look,
because
we
don't.
I
We
want
to
make
sure
we
spend
our
training
right,
but
we
also
do
it
at
the
right
level
and
not
just
that.
Hey
everyone
likes
to
go.
You
know
be
the
offensive
guy,
but
we
need
to
look
at
the
defensive
guy
positions.
Also
when
we
do
it
so
I
really
don't
have
a
question.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
we
look
at
that
holistic
picture
there.
So
we
can
eliminate
the
fear
on
both
sides
of
the
line.
O
Councilmember
doing
a
thank
you
that
I
mean
you're
you're,
talking
about
a
huge
system
that
that
really
needs
to
come
together
to
make
sure
that
we
serve
those
that
are
gilded,
that
you
know
that
are
experiencing
homelessness
or
addiction,
or
mental
health
and
I.
Think
this
touches
on
what
councilmember
Fowler
talked
about.
Is
that
it's
it's
a
whole
system,
it's
the
police
department,
it's
health
workers
and
service
providers.
O
It's
that
the
the
court
system,
it's
the
corrections
and
so
I
mean
it
makes
no
sense
to
arrest
somebody
only
to
turn
around
and
find
them
$300
for
their
fine.
When
they
don't
have
a
job,
they
don't
have
home.
That's
just
that's
just
ludicrous.
We
got
to
start
thinking
outside
the
box
is
how
how
can
this
system
work
together
and
you're
spot
on?
O
H
So
I
first
want
to
respond
to
a
few
things
that
have
just
come
up
in
their
conversations.
I
think
for
me,
the
like
de-escalation
plus
advice,
training
and
the
body
worn
cameras,
I
hope
that
in
future
clatchet
yours,
we
don't
look
at
those
as
like
the
extra
things
that
we
hopefully
have
money
to
fund.
But
those
things
are
essential
and
that
it's
as
essential
as
the
gun
that
your
officers
are
carrying,
and
so
so
that's
not
something
that
we're
trying
to
fight
to
get
a
little
a
few
extra
dollars.
H
For
those
things
to
me,
those
things
essential
as
essential
as
the
the
car
and
the
gun
so
I'm,
hoping
that
that
we
don't
we
stopped
looking
those
as
as
optional
I
have
been
thinking
along
the
lines
of
councilmember
Dugan
as
to
what
are
we
asking
the
police
officers
to
do,
and
is
it
right
that
they're
dealing
they're
trying
to
be
the
person
that
that
responds
to
people
with
substance,
abuse
or
mental
health
issues
and
I
think
the
answer
to
to
me
is
no
and
I
think
from
a
holistic
perspective.
H
If
you
look
at-
and
it
may
take
several
years
to
get
there,
but
if
you
look
at
us
investing
in
more
social
services,
I
would
imagine
that
the
demands
on
the
police
department
would
be
fewer
and
the
police
smart
department
would
be
freed
up
to
focus
on
people.
That
really
are,
you
know
like
continued
repeated
criminal
offenders
and
the
people
that
we
want.
The
police
department
be
focusing
on
rather
than
the
encampment
in
front
of
the
park,
which
is
a
nuisance,
but
not
really
a
crime
right
to
not
have
a
house.
H
I
looked
at
the
HUD
grants
that
we
talked
about
a
few
weeks
ago
and
I
just
picked
out
of
the
ones
that
we
did
not
fund
things
that
to
me
seemed
like
a.
There
would
be
a
pretty
clear
argument
that
they
would
reduce
the
eventually
reduce
the
need
on
police
officers
like
early
intervention
and
early
education,
training
and
a
lot
of
homeless
services.
H
There
are
25
different
programs
that
we
did
not
fund
different
organizations
working
on
those
programs
and
the
dollar
that
the
price
tag
on
those
is
1.6
million
dollars
to
fund
all
25
of
those
programs.
And
to
me
those
are
organizations
that
and
I
understand.
The
funding
structure
is
different.
The
money
comes
from
different
places,
but
those
are
organizations
that
are
that
are
there
to
help
our
citizens
to
not
need
to
interact
with
the
police,
which
I
think
that's
the
goal.
H
That's
the
longer-term
goal,
so
I
I,
guess
I'll
just
sort
of
state
where
I'm
at
I
don't
really
feel
like.
We
can
make
huge
drastic,
that's
right
now,
I,
don't
feel
like
I'm
informed
enough
as
to
what
the
police
department
is
required
to
do,
and
I
will
say
that
I've
asked
I've
talked
to
family
members
and
friends
that
are
retired
or
current
police
officers
in
different
states.
Just
because
I
want
to
get
every
side
of
the
picture
and
ask
what
they
do.
What
are
they
faced
with?
H
What's
the
dangers
of
your
job
and
so
I'm
trying
to
understand
that
all
I
don't
feel
like
we
can
make
drastic
cuts
now,
but
I
hope
we
can
start
figuring
out
how
to
fund
these.
These
organizations
that
are
trying
to
do
this
work
that
are
that
eventually
will
sweat
change
the
whole
tide
so
that
we
don't
need.
H
Maybe
we
can
reduce
the
police
budget
because
we
don't
need
as
many
need
to
do
as
many
things
we
can
have
you
focus
on
specific
things,
so
that's
sort
of
the
where
my
mind
my
thinking
is
evolving
very
quickly,
so
I
won't
say
that
that's
where
I'm
at
forever,
but
that's
sort
of
where
my
mind
is
right.
Now
they
do
have
one
question
for
you,
chief
Brown
and
first
of
all,
thank
you
for
being
here.
Thank
you
for
listening
to
us
and
having
this
conversation,
I
really
do
appreciate
it
in
your
heart.
H
A
O
No
I
do
not
think
so.
I
really
don't
I
think
we
have
worked
very
hard
through
our
training.
One
of
the
courses
we
took
on
was
fair
and
impartial,
policing
and
one
of
the
first
things
they
teach
you
is.
We
all
have
biases.
We
really
do
their
implicit
biases
and
everybody,
and
and
the
first
part
the
first
thing
to
get
past
and
then
to
work
on
them.
So
no
I
do
not
think
we
we
don't
have
systemic
racism
within
this
Police.
Department
I
have
never
seen
that
in
my
29
career.
Thank.
H
H
So
what
can
we
do
either
as
leaders
of
the
city
or
as
the
police
department
to
help
bridge
that
gap,
because
there
are
a
lot
of
people
that
would
would
swear
that
it's
the
exact
opposite
and
you
hear
stories
of
young
black
men
that
feel
like
they
were
targeted
for
something
just
because
of
their
skin
tone
in
my
question
is
if
it's
true
that
there
is
not
a
problem
with
systemic
racism,
then
how
do
we
get?
How
do
we
get
people
to
start?
Trusting
the
police,
department
and
I?
O
Will
councilmember
mana
you're
talking
about
some
huge
things
that
are
very
near
and
dear
to
my
heart,
is
to
chief
first
off.
We
need
to
hire
more
diversity
within
our
Police
Department.
That's
a
big
step,
because
that
our
Police
Department
looks
like
the
communities
that
we
serve
the
other
side.
Another
thing
is
that
look
we
can
teach
implicit
bias.
We
can
talk
about
all
these
things
in
a
classroom,
but
study
shows
studies
show
that
those
are
very
short-term
wins.
O
The
next
step
is
taking
that
into
our
communities,
and
the
council
has
been
very
supportive
over
the
last
two
or
three
years
to
give
us
more
officers
before
we
were
running
call
to
call
to
call.
We
didn't
have
time
to
stop
and
have
an
ice
cream
with
somebody.
We
didn't
have
time
to
go
play
a
pickup
game.
O
We
didn't
have
time
to
interact
with
business
owners,
we're
now
staffed
at
a
point
where
we
have
officers
enough
to
fill
the
beats
so
that
every
beat
has
a
police
officer
in
it
and
that
so
there
is
some
some
ownership
as
to
that
beat,
but
really
that
these
officers
become
part
of
the
community.
At
which
they
serve
and
if
you're
going
call
to
call
to
call
you
never
have
that
opportunity.
This
I
is
EP
study
that
we
just
did.
O
We've
showed
us
that
we
didn't
have
enough,
and
so,
through
an
alignment
we've
talked
to
the
council
about
it,
we
put
I
believe
was
40-something
officers
back
to
patrol
so
that
we
could
make
that
happen.
So
we're
not
going
to
call
oh
and
it's
my
hope
that
we
keep
that
and
we
keep
pushing
because
you
build
trust
through
relationships
and
when
you
have
relationships
with
the
community,
we
come
together
and
we
find
out
that
and
I've
said
many
times.
It's
very
hard.
It's
very
easy
to
hate
from
afar.
O
You
can
sit
on
your
couch
and
watch
TV
and
not
like
this
or
that
or
what's
happening.
But
when
you,
when
officers
in
in
in
the
community,
come
together
all
those
biases
and
all
those
prejudices
drop
away,
and
we
start
seeing
each
other
as
people
and
it
doesn't
matter
what
color
we're
all
people
and
that's
where
we're
going
to
make
a
change
in
how
we
please
salt
lake
city
and
we're
right
there
I'm
telling
you
Council.
L
I'm
grateful
for
the
questions
that
have
been
proposed
so
seriously.
Thank
you.
Andrew
I
wanted
to
bring
up
campaign
0,
but
you
touched
on
that
chief
I'm
gonna
send
a
bunch
of
questions
to
use
still,
but
specifically
I
wanted
to
hone
in
on
councilmember
mano
talking
about
how
can
we
get
into
the
community
and
educate
that
way?
And
oh,
we
have
got
to
I.
Had
a
buddy
call
me
up
today
who
was
from
my
sixth-grade
class?
L
He
goes
I
know
you're
talking
about
police
stuff
tonight
and
he
said
the
Salt
Lake
City
still
run
the
DARE
program.
I
said
no,
they
don't
actually
goes
officer,
Zane
swim
changed.
My
life
and
I
said
I
know:
I
was
there
and
you
know
it's
it's
these
types
of
things
where
you
have
this
connection
with
the
police
department.
L
Remember
specifically
saying
swim
had
a
box
that
you
you
climb
up
on
the
cabinet
and
ask
any
question:
we
had
the
most
bizarre
questions
come
out
of
there,
but
they
were
honest
questions
coming
from
kids
that
well
there
were
scared
questions
too.
You
know
I
mean
they
came
from
all
over,
but
it's
that
connection
that
even
now,
like
thirty-five
years
later,
that
I
had
a
guy
called
me
from
my
elementary
school
to
talk
about.
L
I
Chief,
you
talked
about
weapons
of
the
and
rubber
bullets.
You
talked
about
the
foam
bullets.
You
talked
about
tear
gas
early
on
in
this
discussion
and
when
I
look
back
to
last
Saturday
night
and
we
had
other
jurisdictions
come
to
support
us.
We
have
the
lead
of
Salt
Lake
City.
How
do
we
tell
the
other
forces
and
how
do
you
brief
them
and
say
this
is
Salt
Lake
City's
policies?
I
This
is
what
you
do
on
our
turf,
and
this
is
the
weapons
in
the
and
the
munitions
that
you
can
use,
because,
if
they're
bringing
in
theirs
their
biases
and
their
munitions
that
are
not
allowed
here,
how
do
we
prevent
that?
Because
your
this
is
your
turf
and
then
they're
spoiling
your
your
actions
by
good
improper
digs.
O
Council
never
doing
that's
a
great
question
and
what
we've
started.
The
conversation
has
already
come
up
that
we
we
get
together
in
for
me
a
metro
public
order
unit
where
we
all
train
together.
We
have
policies
that
align
with
each
other
and
that
our
tactics
are
the
same
because
it's
very
difficult
when
everybody
comes
to
your
aid
and
everybody's
kind
of
playing
on
from
a
different
sheet
of
music.
So
those
conversations
were
identified
early
last
week
and
we're
moving
that
direction,
and
that's
a
great
question
and
I'll
be
glad
to
follow
up
with
you.
O
G
Intend
to
be
the
last
question
mr.
chair
I
just
forgot
earlier
about,
if
we,
if
we,
if
we
embark
on
some
larger
scale
discussions
through
the
mission,
I,
think
it's
going
to
be
critical,
that
we
have
some
type
attached
to
the
public
and
all
that's
accountable
as
well
and
I
know
it's
early
mayor
and
I
threw
out
earlier
on
90
days.
That's
really
quick!
N
Thanks,
council,
member
Rachel
and
I
are
just
finishing
up
a
draft
proposal
about
what
the
commission
would
do,
what
they
would
perhaps
look
at.
We
don't
mean
to
be
too
prescriptive
about
it,
because
there
are
at
once
really
good
models
out
there,
including
President
Obama's
2015
work
on
looking
into
police
brutality
and
offering
suggestions.
So
there's
there's
models
out
there
that
have
been
around
a
long
time
and
then
there's
all
of
these
more
current
or
recently
updated
best
practice.
N
Conversations
coming
out
around
it
can't
wait,
and
even
my
brother's
keeper
has
that
new
four-step
policy
commitment
that
we've
already
committed
so
anyway.
That
said,
we
would
love
to
do
this
in
partnership,
as
Rachel
mentioned
earlier
with
the
council,
because
we
would
like
this
committee,
this
commission
to
be
able
to
make
suggestions
that
are
both
administrative
and
Polly
of
policy
substance
which
of
course
plays
in
the
council
realm.
N
So
in
that
regard,
hopefully
we'll
be
able
to
work
together
in
the
next
couple
of
days
to
put
together
some
leadership
of
the
Commission
and
then
work
with
them
to
put
that
body
together
and
make
other
invitations
to
it
from
there.
We're
taught
we're
still
talking
about
volunteers.
These
are
unless
the
council
wants
to
allocate
some
some
funding
to
pay
people
to
participate.
These
are
volunteers
and
we
don't
want
to
sign
them
up,
for
you
know
an
undue
burden
that
goes
on
and
on
either,
and
we
want
these
results
quickly.
N
B
K
As
brief
as
possible,
but
I
think
it's
important,
we've
talked
about
system
questions,
how
things
work,
but
there's
one
thing
that
I've
been
meaning
to
ask
and
I'm
not
sure.
If
this
is
right
time
or
not,
but
I
feel
like
it
is.
We
have
learned
the
escalation
policies
and
processes
and
in
one
instance
a
very
recent
is
that
we
saw
the
word
police
officers
that
were
trying
to
do
that,
but
it
turned
fatal.
K
And
so
my
question
is:
when
are
we
going
to
talk
about
what's
reasonable
in
terms
of
the
use
of
force
when
we
have
arrests
going
on
or
situations
that
we
saw
in
a
video
very
recently,
where
I
think
the
community
is
wondering?
Was
that
excessive
or
not
and
I
I
have
to
ask
that
because
I
understand,
statutes
and
I
understand
certain
rules
and
laws
that
we
have,
but
we
have
to
have
the
conversation
about
Salt
Lake,
City,
Police
Department.
When
is
it
where's
our?
K
B
O
Yeah
in
general,
from
these
situations,
any
officer
involved
critical
incident.
We
actually
when
we
get
the
findings
back.
We
take
these
situations
and
we
take
them
to
our
training
unit.
Our
training
unit
looks
through
these
things
and
looks
for
ways
that
we
can
respond,
respond
better
and
deescalate
sooner
or
whatever
we
can
do.
If
you're,
not
learning
from
past
experiences,
then
you're
almost
doomed
to
repeat
them
going
forward.
So
we
take
those
very
serious
but
you're
absolutely
right
right
now.
O
O
It's
our
intent
to
always
try
to
end
these
use
of
force
situations
at
the
lowest
level,
so
we'll
continue
pushing
for
that.
I
promise!
You
that's
our
commitment
and
that's
the
you
know
the
women
and
men
and
I
said
this
several
times
and
I'll
be
quick,
but
women
and
the
women
and
men
of
this
Police
Department
are
our.
They
are
some
of
the
greatest,
if
not
the
greatest.
In
the
country
and
we're
committed
to
doing
the
job
that
needs
to
be
done
and
we'll
continue
to
work,
to
improve
and
be
better
in
every
situation.
B
B
We
had
a
lot
of
items
issue
or
listed
under
this,
but
there
are
two
items
that
I
think
are
really
critical,
one
of
which
the
first
being
that
the
tax
levy
and
then
the
second,
and
that
a
lot
of
councilmembers
had
talked
about
putting
some
of
the
police
department
budget
into
a
holding
account,
and
we
have
20
minutes
to
have
that.
Those
two
very
important
discussions.
So
Jennifer
good
luck.
M
And
we,
you
know,
we
don't
need
to
resolve
all
of
that
tonight.
We
actually
just
got
some
news,
while
you
were
in
your
last
discussion
that
the
judgment
levy
raw
data
that
we
got
a
couple
weeks
ago
may
have
caused
us
to
believe
that
the
judgment,
let
me
is
actually
is
too
hot,
so
number
we
gave
you
before
was
too
high,
so
Mary
Beth,
thankfully,
is
trying
to
work
on
that
with
the
county
and
get
some
clarity
on.
M
Why
that
there
is
a
discrepancy
there,
but
it
would
help
staff
if
the
council
would
strawpoll
if
in
concept,
you
support
a
judgment
levy
because
the
new
growth
figures
came
in
and
they
are
a
little
bit
over
the
mayor's
recommended
budget,
which
is
the
new
about
$2,000,
but
some
of
the
concepts
that
the
council's
talking
about,
especially
as
it
relates
to
adding
funding
to
guarantee
body
cameras
for
all
police
officers
and
would
exceed
that
amount.
A
judgment
levy
would
allow
for
more
sort
of
other
council
initiatives.
I
I'm,
all
in
favor,
at
this
point
of
using
the
judgment
levy,
I,
think
we
we
it's
necessary.
We
have
some
great
things
too,
that
we
need
to
fund
and
I.
Think
that's
a
great
resource.
I
do
have
one
question:
can
we
use
it
for
the
programs
that
Dan
was
mentioning?
We
can't
use
that
for
that
programs,
because
it's
done
well.
M
We'll
have
to
dig
into
some
more
detail.
I
believe
you
could
one
one
thing
to
know
is
that,
to
the
extent
that
any
of
those
programs
are
ongoing,
this
would,
of
course,
be
one-time
money
that
it's
funding,
there's
also
a
question
about
just
in
terms
of
wanting
to
put
framing
around
the
city
getting
into
a
business.
That
is
typically
not
the
city's
business
right,
and
so
we
might
want
to
be
cautious
about
premature
process
that
the
city
goes
through
to
do
that.
But
that's
not
to
think
you
couldn't.
A
M
So
essentially,
the
same
was
shorted
money
in
the
previous
fiscal
year,
and
this
is
a
way
where
the
state
law
allows
us
to
increase
taxes
to
pay
ourselves
back
or
that
amount
that
we
were
shorted,
which
is
why
the
amount
is
very
exact
and
we
can't
do
anymore
and
it's
authorized
by
the
county,
which
is
myself
frustrating
when
we
get
different
information
from
beginning.
But
we're
working
on
that.
M
A
M
A
B
Council
members,
that's
a
pretty
straightforward
way
to.
Please
show
your
support
or
opposition
council
member
Johnson
supportive,
giving
supportive
dollars
support
a
lot
more
supporting
Mon
and
supported
Roger,
supportive,
I'm,
supportive
as
well,
and
so
we'll
go
ahead
and
move
forward
with
that.
Well,.
B
Thank
you,
and
now
we
need
to
talk
as
quickly
as
we
can
about
and
I'm
placing
money
in
a
holding
account.
I
know
that
has
been
a
big
ask
or
we've
gotten
a
lot
of
information,
not
asking
the
council
to
defund
or
restrict
or
take
away
funds
from
the
police
department,
and
this
was
something
that
council
members
brought
up
and
has
been
kind
of
talked
about
widely.
So
I
want
to
know
if
this
is
an
area
which
I
think
our
staff
needs
to
know.
If
this
is
an
area
that
the
council
still
wants
to
pursue.
M
And
mr.
chair
there's,
there's:
may
there
might
be
a
sort
of
on
the
spectrum
of
options?
One
of
the
spectra.
One
of
the
options
might
be
that
some
of
the
funds
that
are
right
now
in
the
police
department
budget
could
be
more
appropriate
to
be
managed
in
the
non
departmental
budget
or
there's
a
little
bit
more
transparency
and
visibility
in
terms
of
how
they're
managed
that's
one
of
the
things
that
staff
is
looking
at,
we
haven't,
we
don't
have
exact
sort
of
proposal
yet
and
so
I
hesitate
to
go
through
that
line
by
line.
M
But
that
is
one
of
the
options,
and
so
it
would
make
in
addition
to
the
holding
account
concept
it
would
make.
It
would
have
a
little
bit
more
accountability
for
some
of
those
funds
like
like
for
body
cameras
and
training.
So
it
would
provide
those
needed
items
for
the
police
department,
but
would
be
technically
located
in
another
area.
M
M
H
M
That's
one
way
to
think
about
it.
Another
way
to
think
about
it
is
that
it
establishes
it
as
a
citywide
priority.
It's
a
city
priority
that
these
body
cameras
are
funded,
and
then
that
way,
when
the
police
department
in
future
years
is
forced
to
come
up
with
budget
cuts,
that's
not
one
of
the
cut
line
items
and
that's
not
to
say
that
non-departmental
is
insulated
from
cuts,
as
we
saw
with
the
fleet
budget.
I.
Think
that
you
know
budget
when
tight.
M
B
A
B
M
B
M
B
D
F
If
we
can
kind
of
purse
that
out
a
little
bit,
I
know
everybody's
working
extra
double-time
so
but
parse
out
some
of
that
budget
that
we
could
maybe
put
into
non-departmental
I,
have
some
ideas
about
social
workers
and
that
that
I
can
talk
offline
about
is
we're
kind
of
looking
at
maybe
reallocating
some
of
those
funds,
and
then
I
also
so
with
that
the
combination
of
then
perhaps
a
contingent
a
budget
with
a
contingency
on
it
and
work
through
some
of
that
to
me
that
would
be
for
today
for
this
year's
budget
as
we're
moving
forward,
something
that
kind
of
is
somewhat
of
a
compromise,
but
I'd
like
to
be
able
to
look
at
what
that
would
look
like.
F
A
G
I'm
not
opposed
I,
think
I'm
airing
more
on
the
side
of
not
the
contingency
but
the
holding
account,
because
for
me,
there's
so
many
questions
from
things
like
the
brought
up
earlier.
The
Parks
Ranger
concept
is
that
gonna
stay
in
police,
we're
gonna,
try
and
pull
that
out
clear
to
all
the
people
talked
about
today.
I'm,
just
not
sure,
I
have
enough
information.
You
know
where
we
would
need
money,
for
you
have
in
the
short
short
term
this
year,
so
I'm
sort
of
hesitant
to
go
for
contingency
as
much
as
we
account.
G
M
D
B
B
D
L
D
D
I
did
I
do
want
to
give
my
little
speech
first,
but
thank
you,
oh
geez,
sorry
be
on
the
spot,
like
that.
I
really
appreciate
it.
Thank
You
mr.
chair.
Actually
thank
you
very
much
council
members.
It
is
in
all
seriousness
and
incredible,
honor
to
present
myself
to
the
day
for
your
consent
to
be
mayor,
Mendenhall's
choice
for
chief
administrative
officer,
I.
D
D
All
of
these
years
later,
you
know,
I
know
that
I
chose
the
right
path,
I'm
exactly
where
I'm
supposed
to
be
diligently
serving
the
community
I
live
in
listening
and
responding
caring
deeply
about
the
people.
I
serve
solving
problems
as
they
arise
and
cutting
through
problems
to
get
things
done
and
I
love.
This
city,
I
love,
Salt,
Lake,
City,
it's
my
home,
and
these
are
my
positive
contributions
that
I'm
finding
myself
making
and
what
an
incredible
privilege
that
is
to
contribute
in
this
way
and
also
have
it
be
my
job.
That's
a
privilege.
D
That's
an
honor,
so
I
also
want
you
to
know
that
the
department's
of
this
city
are
filled
with
people
who
care
I'm,
a
very
small
part
of
a
huge
team
of
talented
and
dedicated
people
who
love
this
city
as
much
as
I.
Do
what
an
incredible
honor
to
work
on
this
team.
Those
who
know
me
know
that
I
take
my
role
as
a
public
servant
very
seriously,
even
though
I'm
a
I'm,
a
ham,
a
hundred
percent
of
the
time
and
I
joke
about
everything.
D
I
take
my
role
as
a
public
servant
very
seriously,
because
not
only
am
I
an
employee
of
the
citizens
of
Salt,
Lake,
City
I'm,
also
a
taxpaying
resident.
So
when
citizens
call
me
with
a
complaint
or
a
concern,
I
can
definitely
relate
and
when
a
citizen
calls
me
to
compliment
us
on
the
great
work
that
we
do
every
day,
which
happens
by
the
way.
Far
more
often
than
we
advertise
I
feel
a
tremendous
amount
of
pride,
my
incredible
partner,
who
also
happens
to
be
my
wife
and
I
work.
Here
we
spend
money
in
this
community.
D
We
support
local
causes.
We
pay
taxes
here
and
our
daughter
attends
public
school
here.
Go
Panthers,
yeah
I
couldn't
be
prouder
to
serve
this
community
with
your
consent,
I
would
love
to
continue
to
serve
this
city
of
Salt
Lake,
City's
chief
administrative
officer,
I
humbly.
Ask
for
your
support
and
be
happy
to
take
any
questions
that
you
have
so.
D
Okay,
all
right
I,
just
you
know,
I'm
coasting
towards
retirement,
councilmember,
Rogers
I,
think
I
answered
that
you
know
it's
actually
an
incredible
role.
Being
that
being
that
chief
administrative
officer
is
fairly
new,
it's
new
again
to
the
city.
We
haven't
had
a
chief
administrative
officer
in
the
city
since
2008.
B
D
D
That
gave
me
the
exposure
to
every
single
process
that
we
have
in
the
city,
and
so
it
kind
of
situated
me
perfectly
to
understand
how
we
do
what
we
do
and
I
think
it's.
It's
a
really
interesting
organism,
this
city,
you
know
it's
it's
a
very,
very
complex
organism
and
we
have
to
understand
all
of
those
different
parts
that
make
us
tick
in
order
to
be
efficient
at
that
at
running
the
city
and
responding
to
the
citizens
and
providing
the
services
that
they
pay
for.
So
alright.
F
Have
a
question
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
these
it
was
probably
one
of
the
first
are
close
to
the
first
people.
I
met
when
I
was
first
elected
and
I
knew
immediately
that
we
would
be
friends
because
I'm
pretty
sure
we
both
made
some
sarcastic
comments
and
was
like
well
I.
Guess
that
solidifies
things
and
when
you
said
sorry
to
be
flippant,
I
thought
to
myself.
Wait
it
wouldn't
be
Lisa
Schaeffer.
F
If
she
was
know,
you've
done
amazing
work
in
when
I
saw
you
in
your
capacity
as
the
director
and
and
the
way
that
you
supported
your
department
and
your
teens.
It
was
obvious
obvious
that
the
respect
from
that
department
was
there
across
the
board,
both
from
you
and
from
your
your
team
to
you
and
I
look
forward
to
continue
working
with
you
in
this
capacity
and
anyone's
gonna,
run
all
those
departments
and
glad
it's
gonna.
B
A
B
D
B
G
G
P
I've
been
working
for
the
city
for
19
years
and
if
you've
seen
my
resume,
I've
had
a
chance
to
work
in
pretty
much
all
the
departments
of
the
city
and
implement
technology.
Many
of
my
early
years
we're
standing
on
a
box
on
the
council
chambers
filming.
You
also
think
Cindy,
Gus
and
I
are
the
only
ones
that
have
those
those
memories
together.
But
it's
been
a
great
journey.
I
think
the
mayor
thinks
someone
will
crazy.
P
I'm,
pretty
passionate
about
technology,
and
especially
digital
equity
and
I,
have
a
big
dream
that,
instead
of
having
digital
divide,
we
can
change
an
in
digital
unity
and
address
many
of
the
issues
that
you've
talked
about
today.
So
I
love
the
city
spent
many
days
as
a
child,
walking
the
streets
of
the
city
and
visiting
family.
So
the
city
means
a
lot
to
me.
P
I,
never
thought
I'd
be
a
government
employee,
but
I'm
very
glad
that
I
am
and
just
humbled
to
to
represent
the
city
and
its
technology
interests
and
the
good
women
and
men
that
I
get
to
interact
with
on
a
daily
basis.
So
that's
why
I'm
willing
to
do
this
because
I
love
it
and
very
supportive
of
the
council
and
I
know.
Support
of
the
mayor.
I
know
that
she
has
a
great
vision
and
I
support.
Her
vision,
pull
the
end
and
want
to
be
a
part
of
it.