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From YouTube: Salt Lake City Council Work Session Only - June 11, 2020
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A
At
a
city
council
meeting,
as
always,
we're
grateful
to
have
you
joining
us.
As
most
you
know,
we've
been
holding
our
electronic
meetings
virtually
due
to
the
ongoing
practice
of
social
distancing.
Our
first
item
today
is
a
closed
session
agenda
item
number
one.
We
plan
to
resume
our
open
meeting
at
approximately
4:15
p.m.
before
I
ask
for
a
motion
to
go
into
closed
session.
I
want
to
let
our
listeners
know
that,
although
there
is
no
public
comment
today,
your
next
public
comment
opportunity
will
be
Tuesday.
June
16th
during
our
7:00
p.m.
B
C
A
A
motion
from
councilman
Trafalgar
in
a
second
from
counsel
murder
of
All
Tomorrow's,
to
go
in,
did
obsession
to
the
purpose
of
discussing
a
like
tired,
collective
bargaining
and
advice
of
counsel,
and
is
there
any
discussion
to
this
motion
see
and
we'll
go
ahead
and
roll
on
the
counter?
Rogers?
Yes,.
A
C
E
A
Mean
as
well
for
the
just
again
to
the
public,
we
can
resume
our
meeting
at
approximately
4:15
used
to
turn
it
at
that
time
to
follow
the
rest
of
our
meeting
and
join
us
for
our
closed
session
and
everybody
else.
Please
make
sure
the
jury
nice
place
where
no
other,
no
one
else
can
hear
of
you
when
you
sign
on
to
a
long
session
portion
of
the
meeting.
Thank
you.
F
F
F
A
Welcome
back
to
our
work
session
and
suc
for
those
watching
at
home.
Sorry
we're
a
little
bit
late
coming
back.
I
want
to
welcome
you
back
to
our
work
session
and
our
first
item
on
the
agenda
today
was
a
closed
session
to
discuss
collective
bargaining,
receive
advice,
income
and
count.
Excuse
me
receive
advice
of
counsel.
Thank
you
for
now
joining
us
our
brief
for
our
briefings
on
the
police
department
and
other
unresolved
budget
issues.
A
These
budget
items
have
generated
a
high
level
of
interest,
particularly
in
response
to
the
events
and
community
conversations
that
have
been
happening
over
the
last
few
weeks.
Although
we
do
not
take
public
comment
during
our
work
session
briefings,
your
feedback
is
always
welcome
and
again
I'll
just
provide
that
and
that
you
can
attend
our
formal
meeting
on
Tuesday
June
16th
at
7:00
p.m.
and
for
our
public
comment
period.
A
You
can
mail
us
a
letter,
Accio
box,
one
four,
five,
four,
seven:
six
Salt
Lake
City
Utah,
eight,
four
one,
one,
four,
five,
four:
seven:
six
or
email
us
at
council
comments
at
SLC
go
comm
or
you
can
call
our
24
hour
comment
line,
which
is
eight
zero
one.
Five,
three
five,
seven,
six,
five,
four
four
people
joining
us
today.
You
can
watch
the
meeting
on
our
live.
A
Video
feeds
on
the
council's
agenda,
page
our
YouTube
page
SOC,
TV,
channel,
17
or
Facebook
like,
although
we
are
conducting
our
meetings
electronically
and
then
and
that's
different
than
our
typical
in-person
format.
This
is
still
considered
a
public
meeting
and
and
we're
glad
that
you
can
join
us
before
we
begin
with
with
budget
briefings.
I
wanted
to
acknowledge
the
great
deal
of
public
comment
that
we
have
received
on
the
issue
of
the
police
department
budget.
We're
grateful
for
those
comments.
A
Me
excuse
me,
moves
us
forward
in
addressing
the
issues
that
have
been
raised.
It's
more
of
a
surgical
approach
than
just
a
blanket
30
million
dollar
cut
and
again
I
want
to
emphasize
that.
That's
because
the
proportional
cut,
just
comparing
numbers
to
numbers,
ignores
what
the
programs
in
Salt
Lake
City
are
as
compared
to
what
the
programs
in
Minneapolis
are.
Not
all
police
departments
are
created,
equal
and
and
our
Police
Department,
we
believe,
is
further
along
in
achieving
the
goals
that
many
of
these
commenters
and
articulated
that
they
wanted
to
see.
A
But
I
do
want
to
emphasize
that,
regardless
of
the
specific
dollar
amount
that
we
hear
you
we
hear
those
of
you
who
spoke
at
our
meetings.
We
heard
those
of
you
who
have
committed
on
All
City
plans
in
the
recent
past.
We
also
understand
the
climate
in
our
country
and
we
share
the
concerns
that
are
being
raised.
A
So
while
there's
no
magic,
30
million
dollar
budget
cut,
there
is
a
city
council
that
hears
what
you're
saying
and
is
committed
to
moving
forward
very
seriously
on
this
topic,
we
can't
fulfill
the
responsibilities
of
the
office
we
hold.
If
we
vote
for
an
ordinance
that
cuts
a
lump
sum
from
the
city
budget
and
actually
is
not
allowed
under
the
law,
we
must
identify
the
cuts
specifically
or
we're
simply
delegating
our
responsibility
to
establish
the
budget.
A
We
are
accountable
to
all
our
constituents.
We
listen
to
and
respect
all
of
those
comments
and
our
research
and
consideration
is
influenced
by
those
comments.
We
can't
vote
based
on
my
majority
of
comments
at
one
public
hearing
or
two
public
hearings,
because
we
have
a
duty
to
hear
the
comments
we
received
in
all
forms
as
well,
and
all
of
the
comments
that
we've
received
before
the
renewed
and
focused
interest
on
this
topic.
So,
whether
that's
on
the
street
on
the
phone
visiting
with
our
neighbors
in
community
council
meetings.
A
When
constituents
articulate
demands,
though
it
is
tough
for
us
to
explain
that
there
are
other
demands
from
citizens
that
are
equally
valid
and
those
must
also
be
considered.
We've
asked
our
staff
to
combine
the
ideas
raised
by
the
council
members
and
by
the
public
to
create
a
scenario
for
our
discussion
today.
The
job
of
our
council
staff
is
to
hear
the
issues
raised
by
the
public
and
by
community
councillor.
A
Excuse
me,
and
by
city
council
members
to
clarify
and
verify
information
provided
to
gather
informational,
additional
information
on
points
and
opinions
for
council
members
to
the
extent
possible
to
identify
potential
unintended
consequences,
or
at
least
disclose
the
unknowns
of
moving
in
a
particular
direction.
To
identify
the
budget
tools
that
the
council
can
use
to
meet
their
prior,
our
priority
goals
and
highlighting
opportunities
to
enhance
transparency
and
accountability
in
city
departments.
Please
stick
with
us
in
this
conversation
and
recognize
the
budget.
Adoption
isn't
an
endpoint,
it's
a
starting
point.
A
The
City
Council
will
continue
to
meet
and
explore
these
options
in
the
coming
months
we
meet
several
times
per
month
and
conversations
as
important
as
this
will
be
ongoing.
Thank
you
for
letting
me
show
this
information
to
start
our
discussion
today.
I'll
turn
the
time
over
to
Jennifer
Bruno,
our
council
office,
deputy
director
to
get
our
conversation
started.
The
first
item
on
our
agenda
or
the
second
is
our
fiscal
year.
2020
2021
budget
for
the
police
department
and
follow-up
discussion
on
that.
G
G
So
you
might
not
have
seen
it
that
the
new
growth
that
was
communicated
to
us
by
the
state
tax
commission
website
has
changed
and
unfortunately
it's
changed
in
the
wrong
direction,
and
so
now,
rather
than
having
an
extra
$250,000
to
budget,
the
council
actually
has
to
find
43
thousand
dollars
in
savings.
Because
what
was
recommended
in
the
mayor's
budget
was
that
placeholder
of
one
point,
six
seven
million
is
now
not
quite
that
it's
instead
of
one
point:
six:
seven
million.
It's
one
point:
six,
two
million,
so
this
happens
and
unfortunately
it
happened.
G
The
other
way
so
I
know
we
are
proceeding
with
some
conversations
with
the
attorney's
office
ways
to
engage
in
conversations
with
both
the
county
and
the
state
to
see.
If
we
can
have
this
process
go
smoother
in
the
future,
because
this
year
was
especially
there's
a
special
amount
of
whiplash
this
this
year.
We
hope
to
avoid
in
future
years.
B
G
Had
been
communicated
to
us
about
three
weeks
ago,
the
county
staff,
let
us
know
that
that
information
was
incorrect
and
so
the
correct
number
is
456
thousand
to
sixty-seven.
So
what
that
means
is
that
the
council
has
just
less
money
to
play
with
as
it
as
it
relates
to
funding
new
initiatives.
If
Bobby
could
pull
up
the
document
that
I
sent
accounts
little
earlier,
it
will
give
you
kind
of
an
idea
of
how
staff
walks,
through
these
things,
so
well,
let's
see
I,
think
darn.
G
G
If
there's
any
questions
at
any
point,
there
are
four
kind
of
key
components
to
the
concept
that
staff
is
pulled
together
again,
this
has
been
from
input
from
Council
members
from
the
public,
with
kind
of
keeping
the
policy
goals
in
mind
of
this
is
the
beginning
of
a
conversation
that
that
is
going
to
take
us
through
to
next
fiscal
year.
Some
of
the
ideas
address
the
short-term
and
some
are
clearly
more
medium
and
long
term.
G
The
main
ones
we're
focusing
on
right
now,
although
we
be
open
to
other
ideas,
is
and
that
seem
easy
to
move,
would
be
body
cameras,
funding
for
training
and
potentially
funding
for
equipment,
and
what
we
would
think
is
we
would
first
guarantee
that
every
officer
has
a
camera,
so
this
would
require
adding
some
funding
to
the
non
departmental
budget
to
make
that
happen,
but
we
would
also
relocate
the
existing
money.
That's
in
the
police
department
budget
for
that
line-item.
G
So
that's
about
five
hundred
thousand
dollars
that
would
be
transferred
from
the
police
department
to
the
non-departmental
budget
and
in
the
non
departmental
budget.
You'd.
Add
six
hundred
eighty
seven
thousand.
If
you
make
sure
that
every
officer
had
a
camera
and
then
our
honor
staff
been
highlighted
that
in
the
fleet
conversation
we
pointed
out
that
there's
a
technology
that
exists
if
it
were
installed
in
every
police
vehicle
would
automatically
turn
on
a
police
camera
as
the
police
officer
exited
the
vehicle
and
that's
an
investment
of
93
thousand
dollars.
G
G
Fiscal
year
17,
you
can
transfer
existing
amount
to
non-departmental.
You
could
also
add
funding
to
non-departmental
to
accomplish
the
training
that
the
council
discussed
in
the
police.
The
first
Police
Department
budget
briefing.
How
much
would
it
take
to
get
the
entire
force
trained
annually
and
the
police
department
and
our
staff
calculated
that
it
would
be
about
267,000
to
get
that
done?
G
B
G
E
G
Is
true
and
the
council
has
done
not
approached
before
in
sort
of
delaying,
so
you
authorize
the
FTE
at
the
start
of
the
fiscal
year
so
that
they
can
advertise
for
the
position
and
you
plan
the
budget
so
that
you
know
they
usually
take
about
a
month,
maybe
two
to
go
through
the
interview
and
hiring
process.
And
so
you
could
probably
get
about
a
month
of
savings
from
now
and
we
can.
We
can
refine
that
figure
to
include
that.
G
G
Everything
else
line
items
that
all
added
up
sometimes
drop
about.
Two
million
dollars
to
fund
balance.
That's
one
piece:
the
other
piece
is
about
eight
hundred
thousand,
which
would
mean
not
filling
any
officer
vacancies
that
occur
over
the
course
of
the
year
and
not
having
a
recruit
class
for
the
second
half
of
the
year.
I
think
the
mayor's
recommended
budget
included
recruit
class
in
January.
That
would
end
up
filling
some
of
the
vacancies.
G
That
sort
of
naturally
occur
over
the
course
of
the
year,
and
so
this
would
be
a
sort
of
more
detailed
hiring
freeze
and
even
what
was
originally
planned,
and
the
thinking
is
that
you
would
continue
talking
about
what
your
goals
are
for
the
police
department
and
I'll
get
to
another
option.
You'd
actually
do
a
really
thorough
financial
review
of
the
police
department
budget
and,
to
the
extent
that
you
discover
things
or
things
you
want
to
change
in
the
middle
of
the
year.
G
When
you
have
budget
amendments
randomly
scheduled
in
the
middle
of
the
year
anyway,
you
could
always
make
a
change
to
that
holding
add
to
it.
Maybe
you
release
it
because
there's
a
specific
concept
that
you
have
that
you
want
to
implement,
but
it
would
essentially
Park
that
money
for
future
conversation
there.
Any
questions
about
that
concept
and
for
the
new
council
members,
a
holding
account,
is
a
way
for
the
council
to
allocate
money
is
saying
that
you
know.
G
We
believe
that
it
should
go
for
this
purpose,
but
the
administration
can't
stand
that
money
until
of
another
conversation
has
had
with
the
council
and
the
council
votes
to
release
that
money
essentially
give
you
a
little
information
there.
The
third
component
of
the
proposal
is
taking
the
time
to
think
forward
and
reevaluate
the
role
that
we're
asking
the
police
department
to
play
and
what
budget
is
needed
to
fill
that
role
either
in
the
police
department
or
out
of
the
legislative.
G
The
first
legislative
intent
would
be
to
evaluate
moving
the
programs
or
evaluate
the
concept
of
moving
programs
out
of
the
police
like
park
rangers
and
social
workers
weave
those
two
programs
that
are
new
and
that
the
council,
but
in
the
police
department
based
on
just
that,
was
where
it
seemed
to
fit
at
the
time,
and
it
seems
like
it's
worth
taking
the
time
to
have
the
administration
fully
evaluate
what
are
the
sort
of
consequences
of
moving
either
or
both
of
those
programs
and
what
are
the
operational
sort
of
side
effects
of
moving
those?
G
So
we
didn't
want
to
assume
as
staff
that
we
knew
I
mean.
Obviously
we
could
have.
You
know,
moved
FTEs
in
the
staffing
document
and
just
called
it
good.
But
obviously
the
administration
has
to
deal
with
a
lot
more
operational
considerations
and
we
are
aware
of
in
this
shortened
budget
process.
That
was
one
option
and
you
could
establish
a
timeline
on
that.
If
you
wanted.
B
G
A
G
It's
taking
apart
the
budget
figuring
out
what
building
blocks
make
the
budget
and
then
putting
those
building
blocks
back
intentionally
sort
of
piece
by
piece,
though
you
take
it
apart
in
order
to
put
it
together
and
the
goal
isn't
that
that
the
exercise
would
be
sort
of
hard
and
fast
and
you
do
it
mid-year
and
you
we're
committing
to
it.
It
was.
G
It
would
be
to
inform
what
your
fiscal
year
21
budget
would
look
like,
because
once
you
have
done
that
exercise,
I
think
there
would
be
a
lot
more
visibility
into
understanding
exactly
how
much
money
is
spent
on
equipment
for
each
officer
each
year,
honey
it
costs
or
the
Community
Connections
Center
to
function.
And
then
that
way
you
can
say
it
is
our
priority
that
this
be
the
first
building
block
of
the
budget,
not
the
last,
and
so
that's
a
sort
of
really
simplistic
way
of
describing
that
and
then
to
that
point
again.
G
And
then
the
the
third
legislative
intent
would
be
to
signal
that
when
the
cares
Act
funding
comes,
which
you
don't
know
exactly
when
it'll
be.
It
will
be
sometime
between
this
month
next
month,
that
council
will
prioritize
reimbursement
of
the
housing
stability
program,
which
was
approved
in
the
last
budget,
and
then
right
after
that,
the
next
prioritization
would
be
to
address
the
community
needs
that
were
identified
in
the
cdbg
process,
and
this
gets
to
the
concept
that
councilmember
Montoya
raised
up.
G
There's
all
these
applications
that
didn't
quite
qualify
right
or
it
wasn't
enough
money
in
the
last
CDBG
process,
yet
all
of
organizations
it
that
did
a
lot
of
these
community
based
programs.
That
would
help
the
overall
situation,
and
so
how
do
we
provide
funding
for
that?
And
so
the
goal
would
be
to
look
to
that
funding.
They
know
the
council's
intent.
Look
to
that
funding
first,
before
it's
sort
of
gobbled
up
by
other
good
ideas.
The
city
comes
up
with
any
questions
on
that
kind
of
part
of
the
proposal.
There's
one
more
part.
G
H
Sorry
I
do
so
Jen
when
you
say
we
have
like
I,
think
you
talk
a
lot
for
thief
or
not
I'm
gonna
strip,
their
options
like
we
have
to
choose
one
and
not
the
other,
or
can
we
all
of
them
yeah.
H
Yeah
yeah,
all
right
so
yeah
I,
to
be
honest,
I
really
like
this
cero
base
budget
exercise
because
it
is
I
feel
like
it's
something
that
we
ought
to
be
transparent
about
with
the
public
so
that
they
understand
what
is
82
or
84
million
dollar
budget
and
the
police
department
comes
from
and
how
its
distributed
and
right.
If
things
are
working
or
not-
and
we
ought
to
you,
know,
to
change
and
improve
so
yeah.
G
I
think-
and
you
know
in
an
odd
way,
this
has
provided
an
opportunity
to
really
have
a
goal
for
what
the
ERT
system
I
think
we'll
end
up
doing
so.
The
ERP
system
and
enterprise
resource
planning
system
that
the
council
will
consider
funding
through
the
ims
budget.
The
goal
of
that
system
is
to
have
that
kind
of
visibility
at
a
granular
level
into
a
that
can
be
understood
by
anyone.
G
You
don't
need
to
be
an
accountant
to
understand
it,
and
so
I
think
that
the
hiccups
we
just
heard
through
the
zero
based
budgeting
process
well
very
likely
help
inform
how
that
ERP
system
is
really
unleashed
in
the
overall
city
budget
and
the
Mary
Beth
and
I
were
having
a
conversation,
and
she
joked
that
you
know.
Every
finance
director
for
the
last
20
years
has
been
trying
to
get
zero
based
budgeting
implemented
for
the
whole
city,
but
it
just
feels
like
such
a
heavy
lift
because
of
the
limitations
of
our
financial
system
and
I.
G
G
So
the
last
component
is
kind
of
framing
it
as
community
investment
and
one
of
the
concepts
is
to
take
the
funding
that
was
identified
by
CIP
accounts
that
were
older
than
three
years.
Take
that
funding
and
put
it
in
a
holding
account
or
the
council
to
decide
how
to
reinvest
in
the
communities
that
need
it,
and
so,
rather
than
just
sort
of
taking
it
for
random
CIP
projects
or
taken
put
towards
the
existing
CIP
process
and
have
an
intentional
focused
conversation
about
what
projects
might
make
sense
in
that
area.
G
And
what
could
be
added
to
that
is
the
extra
freed
up
money,
that's
caused
by
the
viaducts
EDA
desert,
so
utilizing
that
money
that
the
RDA
had
been
transferring
to
the
city,
utilizing
that
freed
up
money,
which
is
about
a
million
dollars
and
putting
that
towards
that
purpose
as
well
and
in
total.
Those
three
line.
Items
are
those
two
line
items
the
older
than
three
years:
CIP
accounts
and
the
north
temple
CDA
is
about
1.6
million.
G
B
You
I
I,
like
creativity,
I,
like
especially
all
of
the
hard
work
when
Chris
said
our
staff
is
good
at
figuring
out
how
to
move
around
the
marbles
under
the
coconut
shells.
B
It's
certainly
true
that
you
do
and
and
I
appreciate
that
one
thing
that
I'd
like
to
think
about
adding
to
a
legislative
intent-
and
it
came
up
a
little
bit
in
one
of
the
staff
reports
but
and
I,
don't
know
how
we
would
have
this
exactly
because
it's
I
guess
my
intent
would
be
that
I,
wouldn't
I,
wouldn't
say
yes
to
a
grant
application.
That
was
an
application
to
the
federal
government
for
military-grade
equipment
right.
G
B
G
Men
may
have
more
information
on
this
too
about
what's
an
existing.
What
is
in
existing
Police
Department
policy
about
that,
and
maybe
when
we
get
to
the
police
department
budgets
discussion,
he
can
review
that
with
you
guys
just
so
that
you're
aware
so
I'll
add
that
to
a
list
towards
miss
so.
A
G
Wondering
if
it
was
framed
that
way
like
what
what
it
is
the
council
is
willing
to
do.
You
know
the
policemen
can
apply
all
they
want
just
know
that
the
council
will
not
appropriate
those
funds.
There
might
be
more
flexibility
in
that
framing
of
it,
then
in
the
and
then
and
the
framing
of
it,
of
prohibiting
the
police
department
to
try,
and
maybe
we
can
brainstorm
with
Katie.
What
the
best
way
is
to
do
that.
So
we'll
get
back
to
you.
It's.
A
A
H
For
clarification,
so
as
the
status
quo
right
now,
they
may
go
on
and
apply
for
a
grant
for
the
purposes
that
whatever
is
that,
may
need.
Then
they
come
to
us
and
we
appropriate
I
mean
we
say
yes
sure
go
ahead
and
then,
if
we
get
it,
we
appropriate
it.
So
yes,
so
that's
how
it
is
right
now
is:
are
we
changing
that
or
and.
G
H
The
only
issue
I
see
with
this
is
in
terms
of
staff
time
being
on
something
that
we're
gonna
say
no
to
because
we,
you
know,
we
talked
about
how
we
should
act
in
or
what
or
the
things
that
we
were.
Gonna
do
is
policy,
so
meat
a
waste
of
time
if
we
don't
clear
rules
from
the
beginning.
Yes,
this
is
intense,
but
if
you're
gonna
apply
for
this
as
and
this
and
I
don't
want
you
to
spend
taxpayers
money
any
time
spent
on
things
that
we're
gonna
say
no
anyway,
I.
G
Think
that
that
aspect
is
also
one
we
could
probably
work
through
with
Katie,
because
there
might
be
a
line
about
what
you
can
and
can't
direct
administrative
staff
to
you,
but
maybe
there's
ways
to
encourage
not
to
spend
stuff
on
it.
I
I
think
sorry
go
ahead.
Mr.
chair
I.
A
Would
just
say
that
if,
if
we
enact
that
policy,
that's
totally
within
our
purview,
I
can't
imagine
that,
like
there
would
be
more
than
one
time
when
that
mistake
would
be
made,
because
it
would
be
very
you
know,
I
mean
I.
Imagine
people
the
administration
wouldn't
direct
staff
to
do
that
anyway,
but
even
if
they
did
like
that
would
be
one
big
learning
experience
for
everyone
when
the
money
couldn't
be
appropriated
like
I,
don't
see
that
as
being
something
that
will
happen
multiple
times,
councilmember
Johnston
I.
E
Agree
in
principle
this,
but
the
details
matter,
they
were
going
for
training
munitions
and
somehow
we
knew
that
versus
full
SWAT
combat
vehicle.
Some
things
I
think
there's
a
big
difference
in
some
things.
That's
where
I
think
that
giving
tape
of
the
administration
doesn't
make
sense
on
the
details
matter
and
what
what
we
would
get
surplus,
how
we
would
use
it
and
I
think
that's
where
the
interplay
between
the
administration
asking
to
go
look
forward,
seeing
what
they
get
and
I'm
saying
yes
or
no
to
it
and
make
some
sense.
E
A
E
E
G
Many
council
policies
and
ordinances
have
a
framework
for
when
and
how
exceptions
are
made,
and
maybe
that's
the
path
we
go
down
is
having
a
process
where,
if
the,
if
there
was
a
unique
opportunity
for
training,
but
it
happened
to
fall
under
this
military
thing,
administration
could
still
come
to
you
and
say
it's
not
an
armored
vehicle,
it's
not
a
weapon,
but
here's
here's
why
it
would
benefit
the
city
that
we
could.
We
could
think
more
about
that.
A
D
C
G
E
Mr.
chair,
mine
is
only
a
statement
and
that
I
wouldn't
want
us
to
preclude
ourselves,
for
anything
that
would
hurt
is
for
the
Olympics
too,
and
not
you
know
there
might
be
some
issues
with
accepting
military
things
for
a
police
department
or
looking
at
that
type
of
thing.
So
I
would
like
it
some
sort
of
like
acceptance
for
special
events
or
something.
C
E
Agree
with
I
want
to
flush
out
a
live
with
the
police
department
clarify
we're
talking
about
an
external,
a
third-party
professional
group.
I
would
go
in
and
audit
the
right
term
I'm,
not
sure,
don't
say
that,
but
we
need
a
third
party
to
go
in
and
review
the
entire
budget
line-by-line
yeah
we
get
to
us
the
way,
that's
digestible,
that's
what
we're
talking
about.
Clearly,
yes,
do
we
have
existing
contract
for
that
and
I'll
keep
one
one.
So.
G
We
have
I
think
there
are
five
firms
on
contract
now
and
they
are
consulting
firms
that
specialize
in
municipal
finance
and
municipal
operations,
and
so
they're
very
used
like
going
through
budgets
thing,
because
we
have
those
firms
on
contract.
We
don't
need
to
go
through
a
separate
rfp
process.
We
essentially
send
a
quick
letter
to
all
the
firms
and
we
say
here's
what
we
want
to
do.
Tell
us
how
much
and
how
long
it
will
take,
and
then
we
evaluate
a
staff
and
make
a
recommendation
to
you
guys.
G
We
do
have
what
I
imagine
would
be
enough
to
cover
this
encumbered.
It's
one
of
those
budgetary
terms.
That
basically
means
like
we
have
money
in
a
savings
account
for
this
kind
of
purpose,
because
in
the
council's
role
is
audit
and
oversight
Authority,
we
never
know
at
what
point
in
the
year.
You'll
need
to
kind
of
pull
that
record
of.
We
need
to
do
an
audit,
and
so
we
could
just
we
could
use
those
savings
account
dollars,
essentially
to
pay
for
that.
So
you
wouldn't
need
to
allocate
additional
budget.
C
G
A
E
I
guess
it's
it's
a
well.
This
is
a
statement.
One
of
two
things
one
is
the
sooner.
We
get
that
process
rolling
the
better
because
I
imagine
we're
gonna
want
bad
information
to
work
along
with
any
Commission
that
we
set
up
with
them.
They're
they're,
getting
that
information
be
able
to
evaluate
the
that
and
this
review
could
take
months.
E
So
I
think
we
need
to
prioritize
that
as
a
council
to
get
that
rolling.
The
second
piece
is
about
the
Community
Reinvestment
money
we're
talking
about
here
and
previous
sessions.
We've
talked
about
the
north
couple,
viaducts
funds
and
so
they're
on
you
see
IP
funds
and
I
know.
James
had
brought
up
reinvesting.
Those
put
a
little
specifically
to
new
on
temple.
I
think
we
need
to
be
very
Caribbean
tent
is
the
backing
of
color
and
underserved
communities
for
that
those
funds,
language.
E
A
Two
questions:
if
we
on
Park
Rangers
and
on
social
workers.
If,
if
we
were
to
take
the
park
rangers
out
of
the
budget
or
out
of
the
police
department,
I
assume
it
would
go
into
public
services
and
we
put
in
parks
and
public
lands
and
but
up
until
this
point,
and
all
of
our
briefings
have
been
that
these
have
to
be
officers
because
they're.
A
A
G
Think
you
would
likely
need
to
know
that
in
order
to
make
the
budget
move,
which
is
why
I
think
you
don't
make
the
budget
move
now.
I!
Think
that
that's
why
you
asked
for
the
administration
to
evaluate
it
to
say
because
I
what
I
know
is
that
there's
not
sufficient
funding,
that's
allocated
towards
that
program
and
police
that,
if
you
just
moved
it
over
to
public
services,
you'd
have
a
functioning
program
and
public
services.
G
A
G
A
A
Yeah
I
didn't
I
didn't
realize
is
that
we
had
already
done
that
and
then
same
question.
Sorry
just
same
question
for
social
workers
like
if
we
decided
that
we
wanted
to
fund
additional
social
workers,
and
we
wanted
to
do
that
through
non-departmental.
They
would
still
be
in
the
police
department,
though
right.
That's.
G
A
C
C
A
Okay,
sorry
counts.
My
over
mono
I
think
you
had
a
question
yeah.
C
D
C
G
A
C
D
I'll,
just
sort
of
first
of
all,
this
is
I'm
really
impressed
with
the
staff
for
coming
up
with
these
solutions
and
thinking
outside
the
box.
I
think
a
lot
of
I'm
interested
in
all
of
these
things,
I
think
they're
all
really
good
ideas.
D
I
will
also
say,
though,
that
I
I
think
I
think
these
are
good,
and
if
we
make
you
very
clear
that
this
is
as
our
first
step-
and
this
is
the
beginning
of
a
conversation,
I
think
I'm
comfortable
with
that
I
do
think
that
the
changes
and
the
conversation
needs
to
go
further
than
this,
but
I'm
glad
that
we're
gonna
get
some
more
information
with
that
that
zero-based
budget
or
whatever
and
we're
gonna,
get
some
more
information
and
be
able
to
have
some
more
conversations.
D
A
H
H
The
question
here
is:
can
we
ask
if
these
guidelines
are
voluntary?
You
know
or
are
they
mandatory,
or
is
this
something
that
we
could
see
or
like
there's
a
little
bit
of
structural
systemic
things
that
I'm
interested
as
well
or
you
like
if
it's
something
that
the
City
Council
can
do,
I
will
be
interested
in
looking
over
because
it's
it's
beyond
the
budget
right
at
this
point,
yeah
and.
G
We
could
we
could
probably
how
to
add
a
legislative
intent
that
signals
that
the
council
wants
to
I.
Think
we're
all
need.
Katie's
advice
is
that
you
know
the
policy
manuals
and
the
input
on
the
policy.
I
mean
policy,
manuals
are
fundamentally
administrative,
and
so
how
do
we
like?
How
do
we
build
in
expectations
about
if
the
council
want
to
change
to
a
policy
manual?
Ultimately,
it's
the
department's
choice
and
the
mayor's
choice,
whether
or
not
to
do
that.
B
I
think
we
can
take
from
that
and
kind
of
dial
it
down
to
a
local
level,
I
think,
reporting
and
having
you
know,
the
same
type
of
reporting
ordinance.
We
did
for
other
departments
when
we
felt
that
we
were
not
getting
information
that
we
wanted.
I
think
we
can
implement
something
similar
to
that.
That
and
I
think
one
idea
too,
on
this
point
and
Jen's
point
about
you
know:
policy
is
purely
administrative.
B
In
that
sense,
however,
we
could
I
think
require
almost
that
when
there
is
a
policy
change
that
we
at
least
get
a
briefing
on
that
policy
change
and
we
have
it
in
a
public
open
meeting
whether
or
not
we
can
do
anything
about
the
policy
change.
It
allows
the
public
to
see
that
there
was
a
policy
change
and
what
that
policy
change
was,
and
so
maybe
that
is
sort
of
the
fifth
prong.
Just
what
sort
of
reporting
can
we
require
and
I
think
for
me?
B
The
same
goes
for
and
we'd
have
to
obviously
talk
with
the
attorney's
office
about
some
of
these
ideas,
the
same
type
of
thing
of
either
a
report,
a
briefing
or
something
that's
more
public.
When
there's
a
officer
involved,
critical
incidents
and
I,
don't
again
don't
know
what
that
looks
like
I
think
that's
something
you'd
have
to
work
with
the
attorney's
office
with,
but
I
really
think
that's
an
important
other
element
to
keeping
that
transparency,
the
public
and
the
accountability.
A
A
So,
and
maybe
we
can't
do
that
with
all
of
the
policies,
but
I
know
that
we
could
with
some
of
them,
but
my
question
for
Katie
would
be
yet
couldn't
we
enact
an
ordinance
that
says
anytime.
There
is
a
substantive
change
to
the
to
the
police
officer,
training
manual,
the
officers
or
the
department
and
has
to
brief
the
Council
on
the
changes.
Could
that
be
an
ordinance
council.
C
Chair
under
the
legislative
authority,
the
council
can
ask
for
reports
or
information,
as
you
are
discussing,
I
think
it's
going
to
be
important
to
have
the
department's
input
on
on
what
that
language
would
look
like,
because
my
understanding
is
that
the
department
is
constantly
updating
their
policies
and
there
is.
There
is
a
concept
in
the
reporting
authority
for
the
council
of
when
it
becomes
so
onerous
on
the
administration
that
all
they're
doing
is
reporting,
and
they
really
can't
do
their
business.
C
A
Think
that
answers
my
question
as
long
as
we're
not
interfering
like
that.
The
reporting
isn't
so
burdensome
that
it
and
that
it
interferes
with
the
ability
with
the
function
of
the
department
like
I,
would
be
interested
in
having
an
ordinance
that
would
make
that
requirement
so
that
there
so
that
something,
like
you
know,
I,
don't
know
I
can't
even
think
of
one
of
the
ones
that
I
wouldn't
want
to
know
about,
but
like,
if
you
know
now,
we
have
this
this
policy
in
place
and
our
chokeholds
and
one
day
you
know
somebody
decides
like.
A
E
E
Be
frank
with
you:
I,
don't
know:
there's
a
policy
about
profiling
and
pouring
somebody
over
at
that's
different,
all
right,
I,
don't
think
there
is
I,
don't
think.
There's
a
policy
against
to
this.
This
is
the
issue
about
policy
is
great.
We
need
to
get
that
hammered
out
and
clear.
So
there's
some
accountability
to
the
policy.
I
agree
with
anything.
E
C
E
E
E
A
And
I
mean
great
as
a
silver
bullet
I,
don't
think
there
are
art,
any
silver
bullets,
I,
don't
think
they're,
you
know
just
as
I.
Don't
think
any
of
us
right
now
in
this
discussion
would
say
that
what
Jim
suggested
and
what
the
police
department
has
done
is
sufficient,
and
we
should
we're
done
now.
We
can
all
like
slap
each
other
on
the
back
and
go
home.
Knowing
that
we've
done
a
lot
of
I
think
we
can
all
acknowledge.
A
There
are
gonna,
be
a
lot
of
different
things
and
that
whatever
we
come
up
with
today
and
then
the
next
few
week
is
not
enough
and
in
wherever
we
come
up
with
in
adopting
the
budget
is
not
sufficient.
Like
does
anybody
feel
completely
satisfied
with
all
the
information
that
we've
received
right
now?
A
H
H
You
know
then
65
for
and
so
sorry,
and
what
is
this
unsubstantiated
complaints
against
officers?
We
keep
those
records
for
77
years
and
if
they're
subsided
and
we
keep
those
records
for
65
years,
that's
how
things
are
going
and
but
that's
it
like
I,
don't
know
what
kind
of
repercussions
you
know
this
group
has
and
oh
yeah
go
ahead.
Okay,
maybe
maybe.
C
G
Reporting
ordinance
to
say
you
want
to
see
those
reports
and
then
that
can
cause
like
a
public
conversation
about
what
the
result
is,
because
obviously
there's
like
a
little
bit
and
we'll
have
to
work
with
the
Attorney's
Office,
because
I'm
sure
that
there's
like
a
due
process
consideration
and
we
wouldn't
want
to
like
accidentally
trip
up
with
that,
but
and
then
separately.
We
could
ask
them.
G
Maybe
it's
through
that
zero
based
budgeting
stuff.
We
make
sure
that
that
function
of
the
police
department
is
one
of
those
core
building
blocks
and
not
one
of
the
ancillary
ones
that
gets
cut
when
times
are
tight
right.
So
like
just
like
you,
you
in
this
proposal,
you're
saying
yes
do
a
hiring
freeze
in
the
police
department,
except
for
the
social
workers,
make
sure
you
hire
those
you
could
say.
If
there's
vacancies
and
internal
affairs,
that's
a
priority
to
get
filled,
not
not
left
open.
F
G
D
Like
if
they
report
to
the
chief
and
there's
some
you
know
like
I
just
seems
like
it's
cleaner.
If
they're
in
a
different
department
like
HR
work,
they
can
review
an
officer
and
maybe
it's
an
officer
that
everybody
loves
and
they
did
do
something
wrong.
There.
I
could
see
some
pressure
from
other
people
within
their
own
department
that
could
fire
them
to
to
not
follow
through
on
what
actually
happens
that
this
is.
G
A
separate
process
that
HR
has
when
there
are
complaints
like
EEO
complaints
but
I,
think
that
we
could
add
that
to
the
list
of
things
that
we
want
the
administration
to
seriously
evaluate.
Why
and
how
that
program
is
in
police.
Not
you
know
somewhere
else
when
I
see
chief
deputy
chief
now
is
on
the
line,
but
I
don't
know
if
Oh
council,
chair
I,
didn't
mean
to
interrupt
you.
A
My
understanding
and
deputy
chief
doc
can
clarify
this
too.
Is
that
sometimes,
are
the
reason
why
a
lot
of
times
why
internal
affairs
is
under
police
is
because
sometimes
they
are
investigating
criminal
conduct
so,
like
they're
investigating
corruption,
which
is
itself
a
crime
within
the
department,
is
that
right,
chief
deputy
chief
doubt
yes,.
E
That
is
true,
although
we
would
deconflict
that
out,
we
don't
investigate
criminal
activity
on
ourselves.
We
sent
out,
but
a
lot
of
the
things
that
we're
looking
at
do
involve
criminal
possible
criminal
implications.
Just
just
to
give
you
a
little
bit
understanding
Internal
Affairs
investigates
what
I
have
what's
happening:
their
staff
with
supervisors.
So
the
supervisors
are
investigating
officers
actions.
Then
they
refer
that
investigation
to
a
commander
who
makes
a
determination
on
what
the
discipline
should
be.
They
don't
say
whether
something
happen
or
not.
A
D
Yeah
I
don't
quite
understand
how
so
that
mean.
That
sounds
actually
worse
than
what
I
thought
it
was
where
there's
this
internal
affairs
people
that
come
up
with
something
and
reproduce
a
report,
but
then
it's
a
you
said
it's
a
what
was
the
term
you
see
some
chief
or
what
not
a
chief,
but
whatever
person
commander.
Thank
you
that
that
is
an
officer
right.
That
is
then
determining
whether
or
not
what
the
results
of
this
internal
affairs
investigation
was
is
merit
has
merit
and
they
follow
through
with
whatever
disciplinary
action
that
is
well.
E
D
So
maybe
HR
is
not
the
right
place
for
it,
but
I
guess
in
this
case
it's
something
that
feels
like
a
bigger
threat
than
what
a
person
in
streets
might
do
wrong
right.
It
seems
like
it's
a
bigger,
maybe
it's
just
a
perceived
threat,
but
it
feels
like
a
bigger
threat
to
the
community.
If
there's
an
officer
that
does
something
against
the
policies,
so
it
seems
like
it
in
there
it's
a
more
robust
process.
Then
then,
what
might
happen
within
streets
to
discipline,
one
of
their
own
employee
and.
B
Chief
down
for
jumping
on
because
it
and
that
did
bring
a
new
question
to
me,
so
you
know
I
know
that
you
were
on
listening
when
I
was
talking
about
maybe
coming
up
or
having
an
intent
of
some
sort
of
reporting
requirement
and-
and
you
know,
looking
at
the
federal
what
the
federal
policing
Act
is
kind
of
looking
at
in
a
database
and
I
and
again
I'm
glad.
E
Can
call
internal
affairs,
you
can
call
their
supervisors,
you
can
call
the
watch
commander,
you
can
email.
Internal
affairs
is
even
a
button
on
our
website
and
all
those
anonymous
all
those
complaints
can
be
anonymous
and
there
are
a
lot
of
departments
out
there
who
don't
take
anonymous
complaints.
We
don't
do
that.
We
do,
but
you
do.
You
have
a
variety
of
options
to
make
those
complaints
and
those
complaints
all
go
into
internal
affairs.
Internal
affairs
is
set
up
to
investigate
officer
misconduct,
that's
their
sole
purpose.
They
investigate
those
cases.
B
E
B
E
If
I,
if
I,
if
I,
want
to
look
up
an
officer's
history,
internal
affairs
I
get
into
that
database
I
type
in
their
name,
and
it
tells
me
every
complaint.
They've
ever
had
what
happened.
What
was
the
case?
Who
investigated
what
were
the
details?
What
was
the
disposition?
Who
made
the
disposition?
What
kind
of
discipline
was
issued?
It's
all
there.
Okay,.
B
E
E
E
Look
at
the
zero
based
budget
will
give
us
a
good,
firm
foundation
on
how
we
want
to
look
at
things,
because
I
really
want
to
make
sure
that
we
stress
what's
on
the
police
officers
plate
what
should
be
on
the
social
workers
plate,
the
mental
health
persons
professionals
plates
the
homeless
experts
plate
and
then
go
from
there,
because
we're
putting
money
aside
that
we
want
to
spend
in
different
ways.
We
have
the
you
want
to
move
money
out
of
the
department
into
the
ninth
department
and
we
may
want
to
move
money
back
into
the
department.
D
E
D
H
You
I
have
to
agree
and
disagree
with
council
member.
Do
them
respectfully
we
we
we,
our
our
review,
is
to
do
the
budget
right,
so
we're
going
to
review
our
budget,
but
one
of
the
things
that
it's
it's
pushing
us
to
review
the
budget,
other
social
climate
that
we're
living
and
all
these
complaints
out
getting
from
the
community
that
are
not
just
isolated
complaints.
It
seems
like
there
might
be.
You
know,
commonalities
here
and
that's
how
we
can
attack
these
issues
like
we
have
this
problem.
H
We
have
to
find
solutions
in
the
way
that
council
finds
solutions
is
with
budget
and
budget
allocations
within
a
program.
That's
at
least
how
I
see
it
so
I
think
at
this
point
in
time,
we're
looking
at
both
things.
You
know
kind
of
like
together
in
a
way,
because
why
would
I
just
just
go
through
my
budget
and
not
without
thinking
about
what
I'm
trying
to
stop?
H
B
I
forgot
I'm,
just
one
other
thing:
I
did
I
wanted
to
say
thank
imeem
I,
agree
with
that,
but
I
also
thinks
for
kind
of
bringing
the
discussion
back
a
little
bit
to
dad.
I
am
fully
in
support
of
the
extended
freeze,
just
as
an
FYI
I
didn't
know
if
we
needed
to
voice
support,
but
that
I
yes,
so
just
wanted
that
out
there
well.
A
Yeah,
we
actually
are
at
the
point
where
we
we
are
at
the
end
of
our.
Let's
see
sorry,
oh
no,
we're
not,
and
but
we
are
nearing
the
scheduled
end
time
for
this
discussion.
Would
it
be
helpful
at
this
point
to
for
staff,
either
our
own
staff
or
for
the
administrative
staff
to
have
some
straw
polls,
or
is
that
too
soon.
G
I'll
leave
it
to
council
members
to
decide.
Obviously
this
is
the
first
time
you're
hearing
this
kind
of
thing,
and
so
maybe
what
staff
can
do
is
fill
in
the
unresolved
issues
trunking
she
with
some
of
these
concepts,
and
then
we
can
come
back
to
unresolved
issues
after
the
police
department,
discussion
and
after
you've
had
a
little
more
time
to
let
it
sit,
and
then
we
can
let
you
know
kind
of
what
it
means
in
terms
of
fund
balance
and
and
budget
adoption.
D
Sorry,
I'm
gonna
ask
a
new
guy
question:
there's
no
tool
or
no
option
that
we
have
to
only
allocate
six
months
of
budget
and
come
back
in
six
months
to
allocate
the
remainder.
That's
not
an.
G
D
Okay
and
that's
what
I
expected
you
would
say,
I
might
concern,
is
that
I
think
we
have.
The
nation
has
momentum
right
now
to
make
some
structural
changes
that
will
really
benefit
the
community
and
I.
It
worries
me
to
say
we
need
a
we're,
gonna
wait
and
look
at
it
for
the
full
year,
because
I
worry
that
the
the
momentum
will
end
by
the
time
we
get
to,
but
to
allocating
the
next
budget
and
structural
swings
won't
have
been
made.
So
if.
G
It
helps
at
all
I
think
that
the
fact
that
you'll
be
having
the
conversation
continuously
throughout
the
year,
both
through
the
mayor's
Commission
and
through
this
financial
review,
I,
actually
think
the
financial
audit
probably
be
your
strongest
tool,
because
and
not
what
that
does.
Is
that
lays
there
every
single
thing
that's
going
on
right
and
then
that
way
that
gives
our
staff
the
tools
to
be
able
to
respond.
When
you
say
you
know
what
are
the,
how
much
do
they
spend
on
equipment?
You
know
how
much
they
spent
on
guns.
G
G
B
Real
quick,
gonna,
say:
Darren,
sorry,
Denton
I
think
that's
some
of
the
benefit
of
the
holding
account.
We
can't
put
the
whole
budget
in
a
holding
account,
but
it
does
sort
of
its
like
the
a
little
bit
of
a
way
of
saying:
wait:
we're
not
really
all
the
way
there.
We
have
to
do
this,
but
we're
gonna
put
this
over
here.
B
B
Another
quick
question
and
sorry,
but
if
Dan
had
something
on
that
same
point,
I'll
wait
names
a
little
bit.
B
So
going
to
Chris's
question
about
charcoal
and
stuff.
If
I'm
looking
at
the
police
budget
in
our
staff
report,
that
Ben
did
it
seems
like
if
we're
looking
at
the
unresolved
issues
and
where
were
money,
then
we
need
maybe
some
direction
on
some
of
these,
for
example
with
their
like
equipment
level
and
the
behind
cameras
like
I
personally
I'm
all
about
number
four,
and
maybe
that
was
in
there
already,
but
in
the
dot
they
sprint.
B
Excel
spreadsheet,
think
you
pulled
up
earlier
Jen
but,
like
I,
think
body
cams,
for
everyone
is
the
right
thing,
but
no
teasers
like
that's
that's
my
option.
That's
what
I'd
be
going
for,
but
do
we
would
it
be
helpful
if
we
straw
pulled
something
like
that,
so
then
we
can
start
to
say:
where
do
we
need
to
find
the
money
that
we
all
are
trying
to
find
or
put
together
or
not
yet
I'm.
G
G
Fine
short
answer
is
the
stuff
that
the
stuff
that
was
proposed
in
the
mayor's
recommended
budget,
unless
it
specifically
listed
on
the
spread
on
this
tracking
sheet
to
be
removed,
will
continue
in
the
recommended
budget.
So
I
think
the
figure
that
we
quoted
to
have
body
cameras
for
all
officers
also
includes
Tasers,
and
so
it
would
be
helpful
if
you
want
to
exclude
Tasers.
Probably
don't
have
a
way
to
get
that
estimate
right
now,
but
if
you
want
to
exclude
Tasers
that
would
be
good
to
strop
hole.
G
One
thing
that's
been
pointed
out
to
some
of
us
is
that
the
tasers
are
actually
that
non-lethal
option,
and
so
you
could
I
mean
while
it
could
be
solving
one
policy
problem
of
not
having
the
police
be
more
armed,
it
could
be
creating
a
different
policy
problem
of
them
not
having
an
option
other
than
lethal
option.
I,
don't
know.
I
I
am
NOT.
Good
debate
like
handle
that
so
I'll
leave
out
too
much
smarter
or
work.
Alvers
did
not
I.
D
E
G
G
H
G
We
would
spend
so
you
guys
could
pause.
This
conversation
go
to
the
police
department
Department,
which
may
end
up
in
affecting
the
spreadsheet,
but
I
could,
at
the
very
least,
plug
in
all
of
the
contemplated
aspects
of
the
proposal
that
we
just
walked
through
and
then
I
then
I
could
share
it
with
you
guys
and
you
guys
can
see
exactly
where
that
balancing
would
come
from.
It
would
like
to
come
from
fund
balance,
just
just
to
be
upfront
about
it,
but
I
could
show
I
could
share
with
you
exactly
how
much
okay.
C
A
D
A
F
F
F
F
A
A
I
think
what
would
be
most
helpful
for
everybody
for
all
of
us
and
for
staff
just
to
make
sure
we're
all
sort
of
you
know
we're
moving
in
the
same
direction,
and
anyone
can
disagree
with
me,
including
staff,
is,
if
we
take
if
Jennifer
goes
through
the
4-point
recommendations
that
she
made
with
the
sub-points
about
everything
dealing
with
the
police
budget,
and
then
I
would
like
to
take
a
straw
poll
on
how
we
feel
about
that.
A
Then,
after
that,
I
would
like
to
go
through
what
we
have
been
putting
together
on
unresolved
issues,
which
was
a
list
of
like
things
that
we
were
maybe
considering,
or
that
we
were.
We
asked
have
to
look
into
and
realized
that,
since
we've
already
spent
the
money
on
the
police,
it's
gonna
be
like
just
a
sad
exercise
of
being
like
just
a
reminder.
We
thought.
Maybe
we
were
gonna,
get
this
and
we're
not
getting
it.
A
G
So
maybe
they'll
call
them
fingers.
You
know
finger
number.
One
is
moving
money
out
of
the
police
department
for
increased
transparency
and
prioritization
of
the
things
funded
sub-bullets
under
that
are
body
cameras
and
training
funding.
There
are
some
additions
that
you'll
need
to
make
to
the
budget
for
both
body
cameras
and
training
funding
to
achieve
the
policy
goals.
You
guys
talked
about
earlier
and.
G
You'll,
add
you
could
add
six
hundred
and
eighty-seven
thousand
to
non-departmental
to
achieve
body
cameras
for
every
officer.
You
could
add
another
ninety
three
thousand
dollars
to
non-departmental
to
put
technology
and
police
vehicles
that
would
automatically
turn
on
the
body
camera
when
they
were
training.
One
piece
of
that
would
be
transferring
fifty
five
thousand
dollars
from
the
police
department
budget
to
non-departmental.
The
second
piece
of
that
would
be
to
add
two
hundred
and
sixty
seven
thousand
dollars
to
on
departmental
to
get
every
officer
trained
on
the
enhanced
de-escalation
training
and
that's
an
estimate
so.
G
The
category
of
non
departmental
because
it
would
go
under
the
police
department
budget
is
authorizing
them
to
hire
the
social
workers.
So
three
positions
of
social
workers
and
like
he,
thankfully
calculated
the
cost
of
just
adding
the
social
workers
and
adding
them
as
of
September
recognizing
the
ste,
would
be
added
in
July,
so
they
could
advertise,
but
the
funding
wouldn't
start
until
September,
and
that
cost
is
eighty
thousand
seven.
Ninety
eight,
so
it's
significantly
less
than
you
would
have
had
to
add
to
the
budget.
Otherwise,
but.
G
C
A
G
Is
thinking
forward
and
taking
the
time
to
reevaluate
the
role
that
we're
having
the
police
department
play
and
what
budget
is
required
to
fulfill
that
role?
That
third
finger
has
a
couple
of
parts
to
it.
Many
are
legislative
intents,
so
I'll
go
through
what
I
think
the
legislative
intense
are
great.
One
legislative
intent
is
to
evaluate
moving
programs
out
of
police
like
park,
rangers
social
workers
and
then
I
have
an
asterisk.
Next
to
this
one,
potentially
Internal
Affairs
I
think
that
could
morph
into
a
conversation.
C
G
G
C
G
I
have
this
in
an
outline
format
and
I
think
what
we'll
do
in
the
next
day
or
packets
Tuesday,
because
obviously
Tuesday's
when
we're
hoping
to
adopt
the
budget,
is
to
have
written
language
that
you
guys
can
review
and
edit
add
to
whatever
the
next
legislative
intent
would
be.
Outlining
steps
and
I
added
an
a
timeline
to
have
an
outside
firm
look
at
the
police
department
budget,
with
the
goal
of
having
a
zero
based
budget
exercise.
G
Let's
hope
that
you
have
enough
information
about
that.
The
third
legislative
intent
would
be
that
when
cares,
Act
funding
comes
back
to
the
council.
It
will
be
prioritized
to
first
reimburse
the
housing
stability
program,
but
for
the
housing
stability
program
and
next
to
address
community
needs
identified
through
the
fiscal
year,
twenty
CDBG
home
HOPWA
process
and
that
we
raised.
G
The
fourth
legislative
intent
would
be
some
amalgamation
of
indicating
that
the
council
will
not
expect
any
grant
money
through
the
federal
military
supply
program
and
will
come
up
with
better
language.
For
that
we
will
include
an
exception
that
the
administration
can
discuss
with
the
council
if
there
needs
to
be
an
exception
to
this
intent
now
and
what
the
and.
A
G
G
A
C
G
C
G
A
C
C
G
We
would
work
just
like
we
did
with
all
the
other
departments.
We
would
work
with
the
mayor's
office
finance
the
police
department
on
all
the
things
we
could
put
in
the
reporting,
ordinance
and
I
took
a
bunch
of
notes
on
the
different
kinds
of
things
that
you
guys
mentioned,
and
so
well
in
terms
of
the
finance
reporting
ordinance.
You
know
we
pushed
it
as
far
as
we
legally
could
and
so
we'll
kind
of
approach
it
with
that
in
mind
and
see
where
it
goes.
Okay,.
G
Finger
is
community
investment,
which
is
you
would
appropriate
money
from
the
CIP
accounts
that
are
three
years
or
older
and
from
the
North
temple
viaducts
EDA
debt
service
reimbursement
and
no
holding
account
to
be
reinvested
in
communities
of
color
and
underserved
communities.
The
process
for
spending
that
money
is
still
too
determined,
I,
don't
know.
If
you
want
to
put
any
more
framing
around
it
and
legislative
and
I
guess
it
would
be
well
no
for
a
holding
account
stuff.
G
C
E
I
was
gonna
talk
on
this
I
just
think,
just
in
the
moment.
Mr.
chair,
it's
time
that
we
put
our
money
where
our
mouth
is
and
actually
I
wanted
to
also
talk
about.
Does
it
make
sense
for
us
to
tie
this
money
to
what
the
Commission
that
the
outcome
of
the
commission
is
as
long
as
the
City
Council
is
involved
with
that
Commission
and
I
think
that
that's
a
way
for
us
to
really
use
that
money
in
effective
manner
with
that
Commission,
bang.
A
Just
a
clarifying
question:
councilmember
Rogers,
when
you
say
like
put
our
money
where
our
mouth
is.
You
said
before
with
the
catalytic
projects
there
it
sounded
like
those
were
more,
maybe
more
and
more
of
like
an
economic
focus.
Are
you
saying
that
you'd
be
willing
to
entertain
a
catalytic
project
that
is
more
like
a
social
okay,
so
like
maybe,
instead
of
building
something
we
fund
some
sort
of
program.
C
E
E
G
A
A
A
C
A
C
A
E
D
Question
on
the
North
North
temple
by
adduct
and
daycare
funds
that
are
going
to
programs
within
the
North
temple
or
communities
of
color
area.
Is
that
intended
as
one
catalytic
project
or
if
that
Commission
decides
that
there
are
four
projects
that
should
be
funded?
Is
that
is
that
part
of
our
straw
poll
right
now?
It.
A
G
I
think
you
could
determine
that
too
right,
like
I.
Think
if
you
get
a
list
of
ten
projects
from
the
Commission,
but
only
one
like
one
makes
the
most
sense
and
requires
all
the
funding
I
think
it's
up
in
your
discretion
to
do
that,
just
like
in
CIP.
It's
your
discretion
to
fund
a
little
bit
of
everything
were
a
whole
bunch
of
one.
E
Is
a
hypothetical,
but
this
I
think
we're
assuming
the
Commission
is:
doesn't
need
a
budget.
We
don't
know
what
the
Commission's
going
to
look
like,
and
what
would
this
be
would
be
intent
from
the
council,
be
that
some
of
those
money
could
be
used
to
support
that
Commission.
If
that
would
help
them
get
their
work,
done
quicker
or
more
efficiently
and.
G
A
Okay
and
so
all
in
favor,
councilman
I'm,
seeing
support
from
councilmember
Fowler
Baldemar
oz,
Johnson,
Dugan,
mono,
Rogers
and
me
as
well.
Yeah,
hey
I,
think
that
might
have
been
the
record
for
longest
straw
title
so
we're
breaking
records,
we're
having
shortest
meetings.
We're
having
longest
meetings
so
add
that
to
our
list
of
accomplishments
for
this
year.
Right.
A
Okay!
So
now
we're
at
the
part
of
our
discussion
for
unresolved
budget
issues,
and
my
proposal
was
to
go
through
the
list
and
make
sure
that
we
that
council
members
understand
that
the
things
that
we
won't
be
funding
as
a
result
of
the
straw
poll
that
we
just
took
unless
we
choose
to
take
more
from
plum
balance
or
raise
taxes.
And
so
I
wanted
to
just
give
an
opportunity
to
go
over.
That
make
sure
everybody
understands.
A
G
Mr.
chair
I
sent
out
a
revised
version
of
the
spreadsheet
that
I'm
sharing
now
in
your
emails,
the
previous
version
I
had
backed
out
the
cost
of
body
cameras
in
the
police
department
and
didn't
add
it
back
into
non
department
alone.
So
it
changed
the
amount
that
you'll
need
to
appropriate
from
fund
balance
so
that
you
can
see
that
you'll.
In
order
to
balance
based
on
the
council,
straw
poll
you'll
need
to
appropriate
588
thousand
from
fund
balance.
E
A
G
G
That's
not
the
996
thousand
from
North
Temple,
CDA
and
money
from
old
projects
in
a
holding
account
we're
counting
revenue
as
reimbursement
from
the
airport
or
body
cameras,
because
even
airport
police
officers
will
be
equipped
with
body
cameras,
and
it
would
be
great
if
the
airport
reimburses
the
general
fund
for
that.
So
that's
counted
for
now,
then
using
fund
balance.
So
that's
the
revenue
to
balance
in
the
attorney's
office
staff
discovered
that
there's
actually
a
budget
overage
for
the
DA
contract
and
if
only
twenty,
nine
thousand,
but
we
take
every
penny.
G
We
can
actually
whoever
flagging
that.
But
some
of
the
things
that
you
guys
talked
about
wanting
to
add
are
not
included
so
authorizing
you
pretty
having
a
litigator
or
legal
second
is
not
moving
on
to
community
and
neighborhoods
same
thing.
We
provided
some
information
about
what
it
would
cost
to
add
planners
at
different
levels
that
none
of
those
are
added
in
this
budget
option.
G
The
anticipation
of
maybe
needing
to
increase
funding
for
homeless
services
is
not
in
the
budget
adoption
one
of
the
things
that
doesn't
affect
balancing,
but
it
does
affect
our
budget
adoption
ordinances.
This
is
one
of
the
items
that
will
be
added
to
a
holding.
Account
is
the
transportation
funds,
the
funds
that
were
used
from
the
county
quarter
of
a
cent
sales
tax
other
than
staffing?
G
All
of
those
dollars
will
be
held
in
a
holding
account
now
I'd
be
another
administration
to
review
to
see.
Are
there
ways
to
be
intentional
with
those
dollars
to
benefit
communities
of
color
and
underserved
communities?
I
do
believe
some
of
the
projects
that
they
had
planned
would
benefit
in
these
areas,
and
so
it's
possible
that
that's
already
on
the
way.
But
maybe
the
Commission
can
take
a
look
at
those
funds
too,
so
it
would
be
in
a
holding
account
until
the
council
has
a
further
more
detailed
discussion
about
it
and
fire.
G
G
Think
we've
yeah,
please
you'll
notice
that
we've
only
added
$80,000,
though,
for
the
social
workers,
because
this
is
what
been
calculated
as
restoring,
essentially
four
months
of
funding,
so
recognizing
that
they're
not
going
to
be
hired
on
July
1
public
service
is
one
of
the
eyes
of
items
that
was
raised
to
it
was
to
restore
the
vacancy
savings
to
help
with
maintenance
of
parks
facilities.
That's
not
included
as
part
of
this
balancing,
as
well
as
additional
homeless
camp
in
nan
de
Merville,
while
actions
here
the
funding
for
the
in
between
we
located
it
in
non-departmental.
G
G
That
one,
we
did
add,
funding
and
now
I'm
realizing
I,
don't
know
why
but
I
think
actually
I
know
why,
when
you
guys
adopted
CDBG,
you
said
you
all
agreed
to
fund
the
in
between
or
find
a
way
to
fund
it
in
between
an
absent
and
a
separate
funding
source.
We
saw
haven't
heard
that
that
there
was
a
different
funding
source
for
that
wanting
to
make
sure
it
didn't
get
lost
in
the
sort
of
tracks
of
the
transition.
A
C
G
A
A
G
C
E
G
A
C
A
G
C
May
31
in
forms
that
they
were
opening
up
an
application
process
and,
and
so
I
don't
know
how
others
were
informed,
but
I
know
that
there
are
several
people
who
would
have
been
interested
in
applying
that
weren't
informed.
So
we
have
to
work
with
finance
the
city
attorney
and
the
mayor's
office
on
what
what
the
system
is,
because
we
we
don't
understand
right
now.
I.
F
C
A
G
C
Based
on
the
mayor's
recommended
budget
and
shifts
due
to
kovat
response,
the
direction
that
we
received
was
to
post
a
revised
expedited
process
for
those
that
had
applied
for
funding
our
future
back
in
early
of
the
year
and
then
be
able
to
allow
others
who
wanted
to
and
needed
to
address,
kovat
or
a
community
partner
programs
that
they
could
put
in
the
application
as
well.
So
that
process
ended
May
31st
and
is
I'm
still
being
reviewed
for
applications
to
go
through
with
our
attorney
with
mayor
and
and
be
coming
back
to
the
council.
As.
C
Know
if
the
in-between
was
one
of
the
applicants
I'm
not
into
the
thick
of
the
application
process,
I
apologize
and
I'll
just
say
that
will
work
with
the
attorneys
and
finance
and
the
mayor's
office
to
try
to
get
an
understanding
of
this
and
exactly
who
was
notified
and
how
and
whether
that
meets
the
public
process.
Requirements
for
government
funds.
C
A
Jennifer
you,
when
we
were
going
through
this,
but
right
before
we
got
to
no
departmental
we,
you
mentioned
something
about
and
camp
being
cleanups.
Is
this
the
additional
is
this
money
that
was
in
addition
to
what
the
me
so
the
mayor's
budget
recommended
an
increase
in
campsite
cleanups.
It
was
the
thing
that
you
mentioned
that
we
would
not
be
funding
as
part
of
this
that,
in
addition
to
what
was
recommended
by
the
mayor
or
was
that
taking
out
the
mayor's
recommendation,
you.
B
F
G
See
I'd
hope
to
get
back
to
you
on
that
I
think
it's
roughly
80,
ninety
thousand
with
benefits
per.
So
let
me
do
some
quick.
A
B
Well,
counsel,
I
know
we're
strapped
I
get
it,
but
I
really
would
still
be
interested
in
seeing
if
there
was
a
way
to
unfreeze
that
to
72
at
least
maybe
and
we
can
be
creative
kind
of
half
now
and
I
know:
Lisa's
been
working
with
chief
leave
half
in
the
in
a
budget.
Amendment
I,
don't
I,
don't
know,
but
it
worries
me
to
think
about
our
firefighters
having
to
work
so
strapped
in
in
their
positions.
B
C
G
G
G
Is
but
that's
not
the
that's
this
whole
budget
just
framing,
it
is
full
of
that,
because
at
any
time
you
see
that
vacancy
savings-
that's
a
one-time
thing.
Structural
deficit
for
next
year
is
going
to
be
serious
and
I
think
that
if
the
economy
doesn't
rebound
before
next
fiscal
year,
there's
going
to
be
even
more
serious
cuts.
Oh
my
god,
right
I.
E
A
E
E
If
we
have
similar
the
doesn't
rebound,
the
economy
doesn't
rebound
before
next
year
or
even
fully
before
the
following
year.
I
was
thinking
a
three
year
cycle
and
we
may
need
to
dip
into
the
unbalance
of
the
three
years.
So
I
wanted
to
pace
ourselves
a
little
bit,
so
we
don't
run
into
more
drastic
issues
in
the
next
two
years.
B
Guess
I
can
Travel
Straubel
out
there
that
that
we
maybe
give
some
direction
to
staff
and
administration
to
look
at
at
least
unfreezing
it,
if
not
all
some
of
those
positions
working
with
chief
leave,
I'm
kind
of
been
what's
necessary
or
what
we
can
do
right
now
and
then
bring
that
back
to
us
on
Tuesday.
So.
C
B
Yes,
the
only
thing
genocide
want
to
make
sure
that
three
not
and
I'm
not
trying
to
figure
out
anymore
money
out
of
the
fund
balance,
but
just
is
three:
the
right
number
can
they
get
away
with
to
do.
We
absolutely
need
four,
so
just
kind
of
working
with
them
a
little
bit
and
then
coming
back
with
those
numbers
and
savings
and
what
we
would
need
on
Tuesday,
but
I
do
appreciate
the
quick
calculators
math
because
I
it's
hard
to
plus
two
it's
hard
for
me.
Sometimes.
E
Yeah,
the
latest
projections,
taking
into
account
amendment
number
six
and
the
current
unresolved
issues.
It
would
be
thirteen
point,
nine
percent
fun
balanced
and
is
about
three
and
a
half
million
dollars
above
the
thirteen
percent
target.
Of
course,
the
council
can
go
under
that,
based
on
circumstances
as
fiscal
year.
Twenty
one
progresses
and
we'll
get
an
update
with
the
first
budget
amendment
next
fiscal
year.
So
in
a
couple
months
we'll
have
updated.
A
When
we
have
to
consider
the
fact
that
next
year
we
may
have
to
cut
deeper,
are
we
going
to
what
do
we
want
to
do?
We
want
to
do
smake
a
decision
now
that
could
save
like
either
having
to
cut
back
next
year,
or
do
we
want
to
add
something
this
year
that
again,
that
all
that
might
be
the
thing
that
we
cut
next
year.
E
A
B
I
think
this
is
and
I
appreciate
that
I
think
that's
like
for
me.
The
straw
poll
was
like.
Can
we
get
maybe
a
little
bit
more
information
on
what
words
what
the
needs
are
on
Tuesday
with
some
numbers,
so
we
can
make
that
because
I
don't
want
by
the
end
of
the
year
to
have
a
ton
of
vacancies
for
whatever
reasons
and
have
to
close
down
fire
stations
right.
A
A
A
E
Would
support
that
too?
Mr.
chair
I
think
it
might
be
helpful
not
before
Tuesday
genore
staff,
but
at
some
point,
sooner
or
later
we
had
to
map
out
being
able
to
use
our
fund
balance
down
to
say
11%
what
the
actual
figures
are
in
the
next
two
years
on
that,
like
I,
said
the
my
intention
in
pushing
for
the
fund
balance
floor
was
not
that
we
would
have
to
keep
that
as
a
concrete
floor.
E
G
A
G
E
E
Just
want
to
remind
the
council
that
you
funded
the
financial
risk
assessment
in
budget
amendment
number
four
and
that
looks
at
fund
balance
and
the
different
types
of
risk
to
maintaining
fund
balance.
So
that's
anticipated
to
be
completed
in
fiscal
year.
21
and
I
think
the
information
will
help
get
to
exactly
what
councilmember
Johnston
is
speaking
to.
E
Just
I
think
we
also
discussed
you
know
we're
gonna,
be
doing
the
budget
on
a
monthly
basis
and
looking
at
our
sales
tax,
you
know
because
that's
a
two
month
two
month
lag
there.
So
if
we
need
to
make
adjustments,
we
can
make
adjustments
earlier
the
budget
instead
of
waiting
for
six
months
where
we
have
to
make
a
more
business
cut.
A
F
A
E
A
A
So
I
guess
we'll
we
can
have
a
briefing
on
Tuesday
and
then
decide
if
we,
but
I
think
we
need
to
plan
on.
We
had
previously
indicated
that
we
thought
we
would
be
ready
to
do
is
to
do
the
budget
adoption
on
Tuesday,
and
that
was
in
response
to
the
fact
that
we're
gonna
be
losing
some
really
critical
staff
members
and
in
the
days
following
that.