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B
Welcome
to
today's
city
council
meeting
we're
grateful
to
have
you
joining
us,
as
you
probably
have
seen,
we
continue
to
hold
electronic
meetings
due
to
the
practice
of
social
distancing.
Although
conducting
our
meetings
electronically
is
different
from
our
familiar
in-person
public
process,
this
is
still
considered
an
open
and
public
meeting
for
the
work
session.
We
welcome
members
of
the
public
who
may
be
watching
our
video.
Our
usual
video
feeds
on
the
council's
agenda.
Page
youtube,
slc,
tv
or
facebook
live.
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B
Our
first
agenda
item
is
updates
from
the
administration
on
major
projects
and
joining
us.
For
this
we
have
mayor
mendenhall,
rachel,
otto,
the
chief
of
staff
and
lisa
schaefer,
the
chief
administrative
officer.
A
C
Hi
city
council
welcome
to
your
last
work
session
of
the
year.
Congratulations
and
thank
you
for
your
work
thanks
for
giving
us
a
moment.
We
also
have
chief
brown,
I
believe
who
is
going
to
follow
me
in
giving
you
an
update
I'll
start
with
I
want
to,
and
the
cares
money
distributed
to
many
of
our
essential
community
partners
and
thank
you
again
to
the
city
council
for
funding
our
proposals.
C
Just
to
remind
you,
a
few
of
those
the
salt
laker
card
was
funded
with
the
prepaid
debit
cards
to
people
who
didn't
qualify
for
or
who
couldn't
get
federal
stimulus
money.
We
funded
operation
warm,
which
is
providing
several
thousand
winter
coats
to
kids
in
need
in
the
community
water
assist,
which
is
the
way
that
we
help
people
pay
their
water
bills.
C
C
We
have
been
advocating
lately
for
at
the
federal
level
for
congress
to
pass
a
relief
package
immediately
to
provide
much
needed
assistance
to
our
small
businesses
and
residents
who
are
struggling
and
we've
been
advocating
at
the
state
level
for
the
state
to
spend
some
of
its
remaining
cares
dollars
this
month
on
rental
assistance
and
small
business
relief,
and
thank
you
to
the
council
again
for
supporting
our
efforts
in
both
of
those
fronts
and
doing
it
together.
We
appreciate
it.
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C
Last
year,
including
sts,
there
were
17
well,
basically
1707
beds
available
17-17
this
year
there
are
currently
18
20,
11,
820
beds,
available
and
more
beds,
as
I
mentioned,
are
still
in
process
with
the
county
and
the
coalition.
We
have
been
able
to
help
with
a
couple
of
expanded
services
as
part
of
our
outreach.
C
That
amanda's
ready
to
share
on
the
screen
and
we've
shared
it
with
council
staff.
So
you
can
include
it
in
any
constituent
communications
if
you'd
be
so
generous,
but
the
city
and
volunteers
of
america
are
holding
a
winter
gear
and
coat
drive
on
december
19th
in
the
horseshoe
in
front
of
the
city
and
county
building,
and
it's
from
11
to
3
pm.
Anyone
can
come
pull
in
and
drop
off,
new
or
gently
used
items
for
individuals
experiencing
homelessness,
including
coats,
gloves,
sleeping
bags,
pillows
and
warm
clothing.
C
C
A
D
Mayor
men
and
all
thank
you
yes,
mr
chair
and
council.
Thank
you.
I
appreciate
taking
a
few
minutes
of
your
time
this
afternoon.
I'd
like
to
brief
you
on
do
a
review
on
a
work
project
that
has
really
come
to
fruition
here
in
the
last
few
months,
but
we've
been
working
on
this
for
several
years
or
at
least
talking
about
it.
That
is
our
less
lethal
shotgun
program.
When
I
hired
on
in
1991.
D
I
know
that
kind
of
dates
me,
but
that
was
three
decades
ago
they
issued
me
a
a
service
revolver.
They
issued
me
a
night,
stick
called
a
pr24
which
is
about
24
inches
long
and
usually
inhibited
you
from
getting
in
and
out
of
your
car
or,
if
you
were
involved
in
a
foot
chase,
would
would
hamper
you
from
running
and
that's
really
all
we
had.
D
D
Let
me
read
you:
the
first
line
from
our
policy:
less
lethal
shotguns
when
used
properly,
are
less
likely
to
result
in
death
or
serious
physical
injury
and
can
be
used
in
an
attempt
to
escalate
a
potentially
deadly
situation.
All
sergeants
and
officers
will
be
certified
in
the
use
of
less
lethal
shotguns.
D
I
think
this
is
really
going
to
be
a
game
changer
and
the
reason
I
think
that
is
it
this
this
tool,
really
it
it.
It
encompasses
all
the
elements
of
de-escalation
it
it.
D
It
allows
us
it
should
be
considered
like
a
baton,
but
it
gives
you
that
distance,
and
so
when
you
increase
the
distance
to
any
potential
situation,
it
affords
you
more
time
it
gives
you
numbers,
because
we
deploy
them
usually
in
a
team,
so
you
at
least
have
a
partner
and
usually
more
officers
there,
and
then
we
teach
and
train
to
use,
cover
and
concealment.
D
The
whole
idea
behind
this
is
to
ensure
that
we
operate
tactically
in
a
manner
where
we
maximize
the
potential
for
everyone
to
safely
go
home
or
to
jail
or
to
wherever
they
need
to
go.
So,
like
I
said
this
this
lesson.
This
little
shotgun
should
be
considered
kind
of
like
a
baton,
but
it
can
be
used
as
a
standoff
or
gives
you
that
extended
range.
One
of
the
nice
things
is.
It
can
be
used
on
multiple
suspects
instead
of
just
one
or
having
to
reload
every
time.
D
D
D
D
It
travels
at
about
280
feet
per
second,
and
the
optimum
range
is
anywhere
from
five
to
20
yards,
but
in
in
training
with
these
we've,
we've
exceeded
that
by
25
or
30
years,
they're,
very
accurate,
and
so,
like
I
say
this
is.
This-
is
really,
I
think,
going
to
be
a
very
valuable
tool
for
us
as
we
as
we
we
go
out
and
and
have
to
interact
and
deal
with.
D
E
B
E
Member
thanks
chief
brown,
so
I
admittedly
don't
know
very
much
about
firearms,
but
I
understand
that
when
you
say
shotguns,
I
I
think
of
a
gun
that
shoots
out
a
lot
of
little
babies.
And
I
remember
when
we
were
talking
about
rubber
bullets.
You
made
the
comment
that
the
department
chooses
not
to
use
rubber
bullets
because
they're
non-discriminate
and
they
kind
of
bounce
around
and
hit
whomever,
which
sounds
a
little
bit
like
what
a
shotgun
would
do.
Even
if
it's
a
less
lethal
shotgun.
D
No
counselor,
that's
a
great
question:
it
they're
called
they
used
to
be
called
bean
bag
rounds,
but
bean
bag
rounds
were
flat
and
they
they.
When,
when
you
fired
them,
they
would
kind
of
frisbee.
You
really
had
no
idea
where
they
may
go,
and
so
we
elected
not
to
use
those.
This
is
a
small
sock.
If
you
could
think
of
a
sock,
that's
wrapped
up
and
it
has
a
small.
D
It
has
40
grams
of
lead
pellet
in
it.
But
the
nice
thing
about
these
new
rounds
and
the
ones
that
we've
elected
to
use.
They
are
extremely
accurate,
they're.
It's
not
indiscriminate
they're.
Very
much
point
point
to
name,
and
so
that's
that's
why
we?
Why
are
why
our
training
staff
selected
this
weapon
and
this
actual
munition,
because
it
it
is
it's
very,
very
accurate,
there's
no
bouncing
around.
Let
me
put
it
that
way.
F
Mr
chair,
yes,
go
ahead
thanks
chief
following
on
on
councilman
romano's
question.
Help
me
understand
when
this
would
be
deployed,
because
it,
my
limited
under
understanding,
obviously
to
find
out
student,
is
that
if
an
officer
believes
somebody
has
a
firearm
on
them,
they're
going
to
match
that
level
of
threat
correct.
F
D
Well,
it
would
be,
I
mean
if
somebody
had
a
firearm
or
a
knife
that
would
be.
That
would
be
considered
a
deadly
use
of
force
right.
So
we
would
have
to
have
a
lethal
option
there
for
us,
but
if
we,
if
we
are
able
to
to
have
cover
and
concealment
or
if
it
is
a
knife-
and
we
have
a
little
bit
of
distance
again-
we
would
always
have
that
lethal
option.
F
Since
I'm
trying
to
figure
out
the
continuum
of
less
lethal
mechanisms,
you've
got
a
club,
obviously
and
taser
this.
It
sounds
like
at
some
point.
We
need
to
sort
of
get
a
better
understanding
about
how
we
decide
when
to
use
these,
because
we're
going
to
have
lots
of
tools,
but
it
sounds
to
me:
there's
a
decision
making
process
and
a
training
piece
for
the
officer
is
about
matching
their
perceived
threat
in
the
situation.
That
would
make
a
lot
more
sense
for
me
to
understand
the
case
of
these.
These
tools
yeah.
D
But,
like
I
say,
if
somebody
has
a
knife
and
we
have
that
distance
and
we
have
the
cover
and
concealment
we
could
I
mean
you
would
want
to
have
that
lethal
that
lethal
option
as
well.
But
if
we
could,
like
I
said
if
we
were
able
to
use
that
the
bean
bag
round
or
this,
they
call
it
a
super
sock,
it's
to
take
somebody
down
and
follow
it
up
with
multiple
shots,
because
it
doesn't,
you
don't
have
to
you,
don't
have
to
reload
it.
B
A
B
Okay,
so
chief,
I'm
sorry
if
you
addressed
this
before,
I
was
trying
to
coordinate
for
the
our
next
item,
but
so
you
said
that
the
rubber
bullets
have
replaced
bean
bags
already
entirely.
Is
that
right.
D
We've
never
used
the
rubber
bullets
because,
just
like
I
think,
armani
was
talking
about
they're
indiscriminate
they're,
intended
to
be
fired
at
the
ground
and
they
do
they
randomly
just
bounce
around
and
hit
people.
These
are
bean
bag
rounds
that
are
very
accurate.
B
All
right,
I
don't
see
any
other
questions,
so
thank
you,
chief
for
that
update
rachel.
I
will
go
to
you
now
if
you
want
to
update
us
on
anything
else,.
G
Thanks,
mr
chair,
I
wanted
to
follow
up
on
the
conversation
we've
been
having
regarding
the
civil
service
commission
in
the
last
several
meetings,
and
I
know
that
we've
talked
about
the
coordination
that
and
communication
we've
had
most
specifically
with
local
81
regarding
the
shift
in
csc
and
the
ordinances
regarding
retention
and
promotion
or
recruitment
and
promotion
and
discipline.
G
G
I
know
that
we're
committed
to
resolving
as
many
of
those
concerns
as
we
can
in
policy
and
procedure,
the
policies
and
procedures
on
on
the
recruitment
retention
and
also
the
hearing
officer,
the
recruitment
of
the
hearing
officers
in
that
process
are
being
drafted
now
and
we
we
will,
of
course,
share
those
policies
and
procedures
with
all
three
unions
for
their
feedback
and
input
before
we
move
forward
with
finalizing
those.
So
I
am
optimistic
that
we
can
resolve
some
of
their
concerns
some
of
them.
G
I
don't
think
we
will
necessarily
be
able
to
resolve
in
policy
and
procedure,
but
I
just
wanted
to
be
up
front
with
you
about
where
we
are
with
that
process
right
now
and
we
we
want
to
work
with
slpa
going
forward
to
to
do
as
much
as
we
can
to
to
make
sure
that
they're
comfortable
with
what
we're
doing
do
you
have
questions
about
that
or
more
specific
details
that
that
I
could
provide.
I
think
lewis
can
also
chime
into
if
you
have
some
specific
legal
questions.
F
It
might
be
helpful
to
have
some
responses
to
those,
so
I
would
understand
where
we're
at
where
the
differences
are
and
what
could
be
worked
on
later.
Perhaps
as
I'm
talking
to
folks
or
people
are
asking
me,
questions.
G
Councilmember
johnston,
katie
lewis,
has
provided
a
point
by
point
response
to
that
letter.
I
think
that
she
shared
with
council
staff,
so
I
hope
that
that
helps.
H
And
and
if
I
may,
we
just
did
forward
that
about
4
15,
I'm
sorry,
I
hadn't
seen
it
earlier
today,
but
we
forwarded
that
to
the
council
and
it
looks
like
there
might
be
three
of
the
items
that
they
raised,
that
the
union
raised
that
are
addressed
in
state
law.
Is
that
is
that
correct
rachel?
So
those
really
wouldn't
be
topics
for
discussion.
G
That's
my
understanding,
too,
although
I'll
look
to
katie
to
to
steer
me
right,
but
there
are
some
things
you
know,
as
you
all
know,
that
are
that
are
governed
by
state
statute,
probationary
employees
and
other
protections
like
that
come
to
mind,
but
I
may
be
missing.
I'm
looking
at
katie
to
nod
or
tell
me
to
stop.
I
That's
absolutely
right,
and
there
are
some
requests
that
are
being
made
that
are
not
required
by
state
law
or
that
are
in
excess
of
what
state
law
provides.
So
so
I
I
would
encourage
you
all
to
take
a
look
at
that
email.
We
have
broken
up
the
analysis
into
three
separate
sections
and,
of
course,
we're
happy
to
answer
any
questions,
but
but
believe
that
the
appeal
hearing
officer
ordinance
addresses
sort
of
the
next
reform
steps
that
the
council
is
is
hoping
to
make.
I
Maybe
I
can
take
a
look
at
it
and
get
back
to
you
on
that.
If
that
would
be
okay.
H
Okay,
yeah
because
I
think
it
would
help
if
there's
a
version
that
could
be
made
available
to
the
union,
because
it
does
sound
like
quite
a
few
of
the
items
can't
can
be
addressed
as
part
of
the
rule
making
process.
So
whenever
there
was
a
list
I
thought.
Oh,
you
know
we
could
have
a
lot
of
problems
here,
but
it
looks
like
there
are
a
few
that
can
be
addressed
and
a
few
more
that
relate
to
state
law.
Maybe
a
couple
that
are
is
going
to
be
policy
differences.
H
B
A
B
Okay,
so
katie
just
to
be
totally
clear.
I
mean
I'm
reading
this
while
while
trying
to
listen
to,
but
I
don't
see
anything
first
of
all,
it
looks
like
the
letter
that
we
got
from,
or
one
of
the
letter
we
got
from
mr
platt
is
addressing
an
earlier
version
of
the
ordinance,
so
that
resolves
some
of
those
questions.
B
Second
of
all,
that
some
of
it
is
talking
about
potential
conflicts
with
with
state
law,
but
you're,
saying
that
you're
confident
that
that
our
ordinance
doesn't
actually
conflict
with
state
law
or
this
proposed
ordinance
and
then
the
third
thing
is
from
what
I
can
see
in
your
email.
It
doesn't
sound
like
there's
anything
that
would
prevent
us
from
because
we
we
do.
We
are
scheduled
to
take
a
vote
on
this
during
our
formal
meeting.
B
I
don't
read
anything
that
that
to
me
says
that
we
can't
move
forward
with
doing
that.
Is
that
a
correct
summation
of
your
advice.
B
B
I
think
that
we
had
anticipated
for
this
discussion
about
or
a
follow-up
discussion
on,
the
police,
civilian
review
board
and
we're
reviewing
the
graphic
that
staff
has
put
together
to
show
process
on
items
that
have
come
through
the
council
meetings
and
so
allison
roland
from
the
council
staff
and
katie
lewis
are
going
to
take
us
through
this
discussion.
J
A
K
K
K
So
this
is
not
a
comprehensive
summary,
but
it's
the
last
few
weeks
and
in
the
last
several
weeks,
the
council
approved
an
ordinance
that
enhances
accountability
and
transparency
for
body-worn
cameras
as
you're
about
to
discuss
a
bit
further.
The
council
has
also
been
considering
changes
to
the
police
civilian
review
board
after
taking
a
lot
of
feedback
into
account
and
continued
discussions,
the
police
budget
audit
scope
that
will
inform
the
the
zero-based
budgeting
exercise
that
was
discussed
during
the
budget
that
is
moving
forward.
K
Commission
is
currently
meeting
when
did
wednesdays
in
subcommittees
through
the
end
of
the
year.
Those
meetings
are
available
for
the
public
to
listen
to
at
slc.gov
forward.
Slash
boards
slash
rep
agenda.
The
upcoming
subcommittee
meetings
are
wednesdays
december,
9th
and
16th
with
no
meetings
scheduled
for
december
23rd
or
30th.
So
there
are
meetings
tomorrow.
Those
scheduled
subcommittees
are
the
policy
and
practice
subcommittee
at
4
pm
the
school
safety
subcommittee
at
4
pm,
the
training
subcommittee
at
5
pm
and
then
a
little
bit
of
new
information.
K
A
public
listening
session
is
now
planned
for
january
13th,
council
members
are
invited
and
the
mayor
and
chief
brown
plan
to
attend.
You
can
check
your
email
for
an
email
from
allison
on
december
3rd
at
5.
29
pm.
There's
no
need
to
respond
right
now,
but
staff
could
save
the
date
and
time
on
your
calendars.
If
you'd
like
we're,
also
planning
public
engagement
for
that
when
more
details
have
been
finalized
and
anyone
with
more
questions
about
the
commission
can
email,
rep,
commission
at
slcgov.com
or
call.
J
Okay,
mr
chair
I'll,
follow
up
with
the
crv
review.
If
that's
your
pleasure
and
I
apologize
for
the
confusion,
I
also
had
a
cat
freaking
out,
so
I
wouldn't
have
been
able
to
concentrate
for
this
briefing.
This
is
a
follow-up
discussion
on
the
straw
polls
taken
last
week
on
the
proposed
changes
to
the
civilian
review
board.
J
So
I'm
happy
to
take
any
questions
or
or
if
you
want
to
have
discussion
on
certain
items-
that's
fine.
Otherwise,
I
have
two
items
that
I'd
like
to
review
with
you.
You
have
a
preference,
mr
chair.
B
Let
me
ask:
does
anybody
have
questions
at
this
point
about
what
we're
voting
on
tonight
with
the
police?
Civilian
review
board
changes
it's
what
we
did
in
our
straw
poll
last
week,
but
I
know
there
were
a
lot
of
straw
polls,
so
people
might
not
remember
or
whatever.
So
let
ask
your
questions
now.
If
you
haven't.
J
Great
one
of
them
is
a
clarification
because
I
wasn't
sure
what
you
voted
on
in
one
case,
but
first,
let's
talk
about
number
two
on
that
summary
sheet,
which
was
also
in
your
packets
and
it's
allowing
people
with
criminal
records
to
serve
on
the
crb.
J
So
my
understanding
was
that
the
council
does
support
this
change,
but
there
were
some
concerns
at
the
last
meeting
about
whether
the
change
is
possible
because
of
the
need
for
background
checks
and
right
alongs
that
are
required
for
crb
member
training.
J
The
time
is
basically
or
this
this
provision
is
basically
to
comply
with
federal
and
state
regulations.
Katie
is
here,
fortunately,
to
go
through
those
details,
if
needed,
but
I'll
say
just
in
terms
of
the
time
limit.
J
B
F
J
So
it's
important
that
the
city
retain
the
ability
that
the
police
department
retain
the
ability
to
access
this
information
and
at
the
same
time,
but
this
is
what's
written
in
the
policy
and
katie,
as
I
said-
could
go
into
that
more
detail.
I
And
so
we
tied
it
to
the
and
I'm
going
to
throw
some
acronyms
in
here
to
the
bci
ujis
non-user
background
check
requirements
and
what
that
is,
and
as
alison
mentioned,
that
seven
years
after
the
felony
service
is
done
at
when
three
years
after
serving
a
sentence
for
a
misdemeanor
that
involves
crime
or
a
crime
of
fraud.
I
So
those
are
standards
that
the
police
department
uses
for
their
background
checks,
and
we
thought
that
that
was
a
nice
landing
point
that
that
could
help
with
those
those
crp
members
who
might
be
accessing
sensitive
information.
F
I
understand
the
policy
in
the
time
frame.
Now
I
I
guess
my
concern
is
the
majority
of
things
I'm
saying
are
drug-related,
even
the
felonies,
and
so
how
does
this
factor
into
this
policy?
If
it's
a,
if
it's
a
non-violent
felony
of
some
sort,
is
there
a
discretion
anyway,
or
is
it
just
flat
seven
years
basically,
policy.
I
So
the
the
issue,
the
real
issue-
has
less
to
do
with,
as
we
had
talked
about
before,
possibly
ride-alongs
or
or
the
other
factors
that
we
talked
about
and
what
it
has
to
do
with.
Is
members
of
the
civilian
review
board
having
access
to
sensitive
information,
and
that
is
tied
to
the
background
check
requirement
and
the
background
check
is
what
requires
that
seven
year
period.
I
So
it's
we
were
trying
to
strike
a
balance
between
the
important
policy
objective
that
the
council
had
talked
about
with
diversifying
the
civilian
review
board,
but
also
really
thinking
about
what
their
obligations
are
and
they're
the
necessary
requirement
of
accessing
that
information
and
needing
the
background
check
in
order
to
access
it.
So
that
that's
the
balance
that
the
background
check
requirements
strike,
and
so
that's
where
we
landed
as
well.
H
J
Is
essentially
the
the
ordinance
draft
removes
all
the
information,
the
qualifying
information
about
people
with
criminal
records
and
says
a
person
and
and
basically
just
links
it
to
the
ability
to
pass
the
criminal
background
check.
So
the
idea
is
to
move
away
from
such
detail
that
it
have
to
be
changed
every
time
the
state
changes
its
policy
and
instead,
the
important
thing
from
the
police
department's
point
of
view
is
is
to
be
able
to
pass
that
background
check.
H
L
Before
katie
answers,
cindy's
question,
if
I
think
my
question
is
sort
of
a
follow-up,
if
I
may
that
katie
might
be
able
to
answer
both
who's,
how
do
we
think-
and
this
may
be
more
for
potentially
chief
brown?
How
does.
I
Thank
you
for
that
question
and
cindy.
Thank
you
for
your
question.
I
will
do
my
best
to
answer
and
we
may
need
chief
brown
or
others
from
the
police
department
to
talk
about
the
the
nuances
of
the
background
check.
I
But,
as
I
understand
it,
a
background
check
is
the
the
gateway
for
individuals
to
access
confidential
information
about
potential
crimes
or
uses
of
force
that
that
the
rest
of
the
the
public
do
not
have
access
to,
and
the
background
check
is,
is
what
allows
those
that
those
individuals
to
access
it
and,
if
you're,
a
member
of
the
crb,
it's
important
to
have
access
to
that
information,
so
that
that's
the
tool
and
what
what
we
had
discovered
was
the
background
check
it.
I
So,
rather
than
talking
about
it,
the
type
of
the
felony
it
we,
we
actually
believe
that
that
bright
line
requirement
of
background
you've
served
your
cross
your
time.
There's
a
period
of
time
and
then
you
are
able
to
serve
on
the
board,
helps
create
that
result,
so
that
I
I
don't
know
if
they
completely
answered
both
questions,
but
that
that's
the
the
concept.
L
I
and
I
unders
mr
chair
for
me:
yeah
go
ahead.
I
understand
the
the
the
language
that
you
came
up
with
and
I
think
that's
the
a
good
way
to
do
that.
I
guess
that
my
guess
my
question
is:
is
it
state
laws
that
federal
law
that
says
to
access
this
sensitive
information?
You
have
to
pass
a
background
check
or
is
it
just
where
we
decide?
That's
what
you
have
to
do.
I
So
my
understanding
is
that
the
background
check
gives
the
police
department
the
ability
to
obtain
information.
So
if
we
give
access
to
people
who
have
a
clear
background
check,
then
the
state
and
the
federal
government
won't
give
us
that
information
so
sort
of
the
waterfall
effect.
So
it's
important
to
have
that
that
gate.
L
B
J
B
J
J
It's
number
three
on
your
summary
list
and
it
has
to
do
with
the
council's
intent
for
the
minimum
number
of
crb
members
who
should
be
on
a
non-oici
panel.
So
these
are
for
all
those
cases
that
do
not
involve
an
officer,
officer-involved
critical
incident,
and
what
I
found
looking
back
at
the
briefing
last
week
is
that
it
wasn't
clear
whether
the
council
intended
to
raise
the
minimum
number
of
crbs
cob
members
needed
for
a
non-oici
panel,
whether
they
want
whether
you
wanted
to
raise
it
to
five
from
three,
which
is
the
current
minimum.
J
So
whether
you
want
to
raise
it
to
five
or
whether
you
wanted
to
raise
it
to
a
majority
of
cdcrb
members
and
the
reason
this
is
relevant
is
because,
if
it's
raised
to
the
majority
or
non-oici
cases,
then
they
would
need
11
members
to
be
present
for
essentially
every
panel,
once
the
board
is
expanded
to
the
21
21
members
and
those
members
are
seated.
H
I
think
I
can
answer
that
allison
there
I
think
we're
getting
confused
between
the
we
were
trying
to
designate
that
a
majority
of
the
board
is
not
or
a
quorum
of
the
board
is
not
the
whole
21
or,
however,
members
are
authorized,
but
it's
the
number
of
people
who
are
appointed
so
that's
entirely
separate
from
whether
it's
three
or
five
on
a
panel-
and
I
think
the
council
said
five
on
the
panels.
There
was
never
as
far
as
I
know,
any
discussion
of
having
like
a
majority
like
11.
J
Right
and
that's
that's
why
we
wanted
to
clarify,
because
it
it
wasn't
quite
clear.
So
if,
if
council
members
are
okay
with
it
being
five,
then
then
I'm
done.
B
Okay,
so
I'll
ask
first
draw
a
poll
on
that.
B
F
I
think
our
concern
last
week
was:
can
we
get
five
consistently
enough
to
keep
the
the
the
work
flowing
yeah
and
that's.
F
F
B
B
M
Sorry,
I'm
just
making
a
comment
here,
because
we
have
two
different
things
going
on.
We
had
one
about
the
non-oic
and
then
the
other
one
about
oic.
So
I
think
we're
kind
of
mixing
them
up
and
we
need
to
separate
them
too.
We
have
the
oic
minimum
of
five
with
the
with
the
impression
that
we're
going
to
go
to
21.
J
Sorry,
it
I
mean
you're
correct,
it
is
confusing.
It
was
clear
from
the
straw
polls
last
week
that
for
oici
cases
the
council
does
intend
to
raise
the
minimum
to
a
majority
of
those
seated.
So
with
21
members,
the
majority
would
be
11,
so
the
minimum
for
oici
cases
would
be
11
members
or
non-oic
cases.
It's
currently
three
members
and
the
question
is
whether
to
raise
it
to
five
or
two,
a
higher
number.
A
L
B
L
J
I
apologize,
I
you're
correct.
Okay.
B
M
M
B
Okay,
does
anybody
have
any
questions
about
that?
Okay,
go
ahead
and
indicate
councilman
romano.
E
B
Okay,
so
see
no
other
questions
go
ahead
and
indicate
your
thoughts
about
increasing
for
non-oici
from
three
to
five.
I
have
a
thumbs
up
from
councilmember
dugan,
fowler,
mono
and
rogers.
I
have
a
thumbs
and
myself
and
I
have
a
thumbs
down
from
councilmember
johnston.
Councilmember
valdemoros
is
is
absent
on
parental
leave,.
B
Thank
you,
okay.
That
brings
us
to
agenda
item
number
three,
which
is
fleet
block
zoning
amendments,
and
this
is
just
a
follow-up
briefing
and
discussion
so
at
the
table
for
this.
Oh
actually,
the
the
mayor
is
asked
to
give
some
remarks
on
this,
and
so
we're
going
to
have
the
mayor,
introduce
the
item
and
then,
after
that,
we'll
have
nick
target
from
the
city
council
office.
Take
us
through
or
help
us
through
the
rest
of
the
discussion,
so
we'll
go
ahead
and
turn
the
time
over
to
mayor
middleton
hall.
C
C
Thank
you
and,
of
course,
over
the
last
couple
of
months,
we've
heard
from
the
community
on
the
future
of
the
fleet
block
and
the
murals
painted
there,
and
I
appreciate
this
moment
with
you
today-
I'd
like
to
speak
directly
to
our
community
members,
who
have
invested
their
time
and
their
energy
and
their
passion
into
that
space
and
brought
that
passion
to
the
conversation
through
our
public
hearings,
the
fleet
blocks,
evolution,
has
long
been
a
discussion
at
city
hall.
It
goes
back
12
years
and
as
an
administration.
C
Today,
every
day
we
are
always
working
to
grow
in
new
ways
that
benefit
our
residents
and
that
reflect
the
needs
of
the
future
generations
of
salt
lakers.
Our
vision
for
the
feud
fleet
block
really
reflects
that,
and
it's
a
vision
that
I
believe
we
actually
share
a
great
deal
of
common
ground
on.
It
includes
the
creation
of
a
space
that
benefits
our
residents
that
reflects
our
community's
diversity.
C
So
my
ask
to
the
members
of
our
public
today
is
that
you
continue
to
communicate
those
needs
to
us
and
join
us
at
the
table
with
an
open
heart
to
continue
this
conversation
of
where
the
fleet
block
goes.
So
that,
together,
we're
able
to
move
our
city
forward
with
your
feedback
and
with
your
needs
reflected
and
to
talk
about
how
we
can
engage
in
this
work
and
some
of
the
ways
that
we
envision
engagement
happening
moving
forward,
which
is
in
and
of
itself,
I'm
open
to
evolution
with
the
council
and
our
community.
C
I'd
love
director
of
community
neighborhoods
blake
thomas,
to
give
us
a
brief
idea
of
what
he's
seeing
there.
N
Thank
you,
mayor
for
your
leadership
and
your
willingness
to
invite
the
community
to
sit
at
the
table
with
us
and
brainstorm
the
future
of
the
fleet
block
and
thank
you,
council
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
today
and
for
your
responsiveness
to
the
public
interest
that
has
recently
surrounded
the
fleet
block
as
the
director
of
community
and
neighborhoods.
I
want
to
finally
thank
our
community
members
that
have
shared
their
stories
with
our
team
and
for
their
role
as
the
heart
of
this
process.
N
N
We
want
the
community
to
help
us
understand
the
necessary
elements
for
the
public
space
on
the
block
and
how
those
public
spaces
can
provide
the
space
to
honor
mourn,
celebrate
and
build
community
for
those
that
have
been
marginalized.
In
our
city,
we
hope
that
the
space
can
also
help
those
that
have
not
been
marginalized
to
listen,
learn
and
grow
from
the
experience
of
others.
N
The
role
of
the
city
and
other
public
sector
partners
is
to
provide
the
necessary
elements
of
equity
and
inclusion
that
the
private
sector
doesn't
always
provide
on
its
own.
As
the
mayor
mentioned.
This
includes
public
space,
affordable
housing
and
opportunities
for
individuals
to
have
space
to
build
wealth,
particularly
people
of
color
and
indigenous
people,
to
have
space
to
start
grow
and
build
small
businesses.
Our
team
is
ready
and
willing
to
play
a
role
in
convening
city
leaders
and
our
community
members
and
reimagining
our
civic
commons
together.
B
Thank
you
nick.
Do
you
want
to
go
ahead
and
take
us
through
the
other
updates
on
this.
O
Yeah.
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
Can
you
hear
me?
Yes,
okay,
terrific!
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
mayor
and
blake
for
your
comments
there
that
helps
frame.
I
think
the
the
intent
of
the
discussion
tonight.
O
The
council
is
holding
a
follow-up
briefing
on
this
ordinance
that
would
create
a
new
zone,
the
fbun3
and
it
would
be
applied
to
the
10-acre
block
known
as
fleet
block.
The
council
is
not
scheduled
to
take
action
on
this
tonight.
This
is
simply
a
follow-up
briefing.
O
O
Secondly,
to
review
the
administration's
responses
to
the
october
6th
work
session,
briefing,
questions
that
were
raised
by
the
council
members
and
then,
thirdly,
to
review
some
additional
policy
questions
that
are
noted
in
the
staff
memo.
So
if
it's
all
right,
it
may
be
sorry.
We've
kind
of
switched
up
the
order
that
we
were
thinking
might
work.
It
may
be
best
just
to
jump
to
the
potential
motions
and
talk
about
conditions
that
council
members
may
want
to
consider.
As
part
of
that
discussion,
are
you
alright?
If
we
move
to
that.
O
So
if
council
members
are
following
along
in
the
staff
report,
it's
section
number
three
and
what
this
outlines
is
the
just
some
of
the
steps
that
can
be
taken
regarding
this
zoning
amendment,
the
first
one
would
be,
the
council
could
simply
adopt
it
as
is,
and
let
it
go.
O
That
is
not
something
that
we've
heard
a
whole
lot
of
support
for,
because
some
of
the
concerns
have
been
that
the
zoning
changes
won't
guarantee
that
there
will
be
a
form
of
public
space
on
the
fleet
block
council
staff
has
come
up
with
some
options
as
well
as
the
administration
has
come
up
with
some
options
that
could
be
included
as
a
contingency
upon
in
the
adopting
motion.
O
So
item
d
is
probably
the
one
that
the
council
is
most
interested
in
talking
about
right
now
as
well.
We
have
nick
norris
on
the
on
the
line
as
well
or
I
guess,
on
the
webex.
O
O
So
what
what
the?
What
the
idea
is
that
the
the
council
could
adopt
the
ordinance
subject
to
a
few
things
being
done.
That
would
effectively
hold
the
ordinance
from
being
recorded
until
these
steps
are
taken.
Some
of
these
ideas
include
stipulating
that
there
will
be
a
public
space
on
the
fleet
block.
O
O
P
Sure
I'm
happy
to
the
whole
idea
behind
this
is
to
recognize
everything
that
we
have
learned
and
heard,
particularly
over
the
last
several
months.
I
guess
in
the
various
public
hearings
before
the
city
council
and
to
find
a
way
that
we
can
demonstrate
that
we've
listened
and
heard
and
learned
from
what
we've
from
what
everybody
has
said
about
the
role
that
public
space
on
the
fleet
block
really
needs
to
play.
P
Who
may
be
involved
in
this
process
and
outlining
what
those
types
of
things
would
be,
with
an
understanding
that
you
know
there
has
to
be
some
some
definition
added
to
that
process
and
that
it's
not
a
complete
revisioning
of
the
fleet
block.
It's
not
duplicating
what
we've
already
done.
This
is.
P
This
is
really
the
next
step
in
identifying
what
the
critical
and
necessary
pieces
of
the
feedback
complete
block
are
to
demonstrate
that
we've
listened,
and
so
it's
really
primarily
focused
on
the
public
space
and
what
that
means,
and
what's
required
to
be
included
in
that
and
how
we
can,
as
both
the
mayor
and
blake
said,
honor
honor,
those
members
of
our
community
who
have
been
marginalized
and
who
have
gone
through
real
trauma
and
and
what
we
can
do
to
help
build
more
equality
and
injustice
in
our
public
spaces,
and
so
each
one
of
those
bullets
gets
gets
to
that
gets
to
those
goals
and
what
should
be
included
in
that
public
process.
P
Frankly,
I
think
it's
inappropriate
for
us
to
dictate
what
that
process
is,
because
I
think
it
it
continues
to
come
from
a
position
of
authority
and
power
where
we
really
want
this
to
be
generated
from
the
community
to
us
instead
of
from
us
to
the
community.
So
I
think
with
that.
I
don't
know
if
there's
much
more
to
explain.
O
Thanks
nick
so
so,
council
members,
I
think
what
we're
asking
here
is
if
this
outline
meets
some
of
the
concerns
that
you've
had
about
moving
forward
with
adopting
the
ordinance
without
having
any
of
these
parameters
in
place.
F
Sorry,
dan,
a
couple
of
years
ago,
we
we
saw
an
urban
feasibility
study.
I
believe
that
was
presented
after
an
rfp
went
out.
I
think
2019
I
believe
we
haven't.
I
haven't
seen
anything
since
then,
and
we
never
adopted
that
as
a
master
planning
document.
F
P
P
I
think
that
I
would
use,
I
think,
there's
some
there's
some
components
in
that
that
are
are
worthwhile
and,
I
think,
fit
into
what
we've
just
been
talking
about,
and
so
I
I
wouldn't
want
to
say
it's
obsolete
and
worth
throwing
it
out,
but
I
do
think
that
there's
some
things
that
can
be
added
to
it
to
make
it
a
more
complete
study
of
the
blog.
N
Thanks
thanks,
nick
and
and
well
that
that
study
from
2018
and
19
predates
me,
I
it
does
have
public
engagement,
work
that
was
done
with
community
feedback
and
some
feasibility
scenarios.
That
will
absolutely
be
critical.
I
think
still
today
to
incorporating,
but
also,
as
the
mayor
pointed
out
in
her
comments,
where
a
lot
has
changed
as
far
as
our
our
economy
and
our
focus
on
and
emphasis
this
year,
as
we've
seen
with
social
justice.
N
So
I
think
I
think
it
is
definitely
due
for
an
update
or
adding
to.
F
Mr
chair,
I
would
advocate
that
we
make
some
sort
of
statement.
Otherwise
all
we
have
sitting
out
there
is
that
document.
Officially,
you
may
say
we
need
to
add
to
it
and
modify
it,
but
it's
still
sort
of
sitting
there
for
folks
that's
consulted
on.
I
think
we
need
to
be
very,
very
clear.
That
is
not
guiding,
at
least
in
my
personal
opinion.
I
was
not
happy
with
the
outcome
of
that
study
frankly,
but
I
don't
want
them
to
confuse
the
public
and
say
look
we're
saying
all
these
good
things.
M
Thank
you
a
couple
of
questions
here,
a
couple
separations,
fbn
u3,
the
fleet
block
that
is
separate
from
free
block,
the
the
rezoning
and
sleepock
I'm
separating
here
for
a
second,
because
I
look
at
the
fleet
block
and
I
go.
I
want
to
have
a
community
space.
M
I
want
to
have
a
public
open
space
or
want
to
have
a
park,
and
so
my
first
question
is:
is
there
a
difference
between
a
park
and
a
public
open
space,
because
I
know
there's
a
difference
between
public
open
space
and
when
sometimes
we
use
the
word
open
space,
which
is
not
necessarily
public
open
space?
So
could
you
first
define
me
a
park
and
a
public
open
space,
and
is
there
a
difference
and
do
we
need
to
define
that
for
this
area.
P
Yeah
yeah
there,
so
I
think
there
is
a
difference
and
I
think
I
think
a
park
I
mean.
I
think
some
of
it
is
an
eye
test
right
and
I
don't
know
what
the
actual
zoning
definition
of
a
park
is
right
off
top
my
head,
but
I
think
there
is
a
difference
and
I
think
I
think,
when
you
think
about
a
park,
it's
it's
more
of
a
place,
for
that
includes
a
bunch
of
different
recreation
types
of
spaces,
and
that
may
be
part
of
this.
P
P
But
generally,
I
think
parks
are
more
recreation
focused
as
far
as
a
square
goes.
P
I
think
you're,
looking
at
very
formalized
space
that
you
know
doesn't
have
a
lot
of
programming
and
things
like
that
in,
although
at
least
that's
that's
how
how
they've
developed
more
locally
here,
I
think,
if
you
look
at
other
places-
and
I
you
know
the
one
of
the
first
examples
that
comes
to
mind-
is
pioneer
square
in
portland,
which
is
a
a
fairly
simple
space.
That
is
a
community
gathering
space
where
people
can
go
and
just
be,
and
it's
not
they
they
program,
events
and
things
like
that.
P
But
it's
it's
a
pretty
flexible
space,
and
so
I
think
I
think,
there's
definitely
difference
there.
I
think
we're
using
the
term
public
space
because
we
don't
want
to
predetermine
at
least
from
an
engagement
perspective,
what
that
space
may
be.
I
think
that
that
needs
needs
some
specific
discussions
with
with
the
community
to
be
able
to
to
more
clearly
define
what
that
means,
and
so
I
I
would
be
hesitant
to
jump
in
and
say
it's
a
park
or
a
square
or
some
other
predefined
term.
M
That
that's
exactly
that's!
Thank
you
very
much,
that's
my
point
here
because
I
think
we
all
probably
have
different
definitions
and
views
and
visions
of
what
that
means.
So
the
community
involvement
for
this
this
space
that
we
were
going
to
call
public
how
much
of
it
of
this
fleet
block
is
going
to
be
that
space,
but
it's
a
community
involvement
and
what
this
space
actually
looks
like
and
you
can
call
it.
M
However,
you
want
to
call
it,
but
it
has
to
be
for
the
public's
benefit
and
the
public's
use,
and
they
have
public's
input
for
it.
Now
I
would
say
yes,
I
think
we
need
to
define
the
number
of
acres
for
the
fleet
block
the
fleet
block
that
we
own,
which
is
like
8.5
acres.
I
think
we
should
define
that
in
this
proposal
or
in
the
motion
and
that's
on
that's
on
the
fleetbox
side
of
the
house.
Now
on
the
fdn
new
three
I
screw
that
up.
I
apologize.
M
I
look
at
open
space
and
that
open
space
talks
about
open
space
on
the
top
of
the
building
and
I
think
that's
separate
because
that's
private
open
space
and
I
would
not
consider
that
as
open
space,
because
it's
on
top
of
the
building
to
me
open
spaces,
you
have
to
be
able
to
walk
on
it
from
the
ground.
M
M
E
I
have
a
question
so
in
all
transparency,
I
quoted
yes
on
this
one.
I
was
on
planning
commission
a
year
ago
about
when,
when
this
was
actually
in
front
of
planning
commission,
so
I
know
that
this
has
been
working.
The
city
has
been
working
on
this
for
a
long
time
and
that
worked
far
predates
the
materials.
E
Two
things
have
changed
in
my
determination
of
the
decision
in
the
last
12
months
and
one
is
the
murals,
and
so
I'm
glad
that
we're
having
this
substantive
discussion
about
open
space,
public
space
arc
space,
whatever
that
may
end
up,
meaning
I'm
definitely
supportive
of
that-
I'm
not
exactly
sure
how
to
get
to
that
either.
So,
I'm
looking
forward
to
maybe
a
little
more
definition
on
that.
The
other
thing.
F
E
I've
heard
now,
as
a
council
member
that
I
didn't
hear
while
I
was
on
planning
commission
or
I
didn't
hear
as
directly-
is
the
concern
with
fbon
one
and
two,
I
think
those
are.
I
think,
they've
done
a
lot
of
really
good
things
for
central
ninth,
but
some
of
the
my
constituents
that
live
there
have
been
concerned
about
the
parking.
So
I'm
wondering
if
planning
staff
could
address
if
this
is
something
that
we're
planning
to
proliferate
through
all
of
the
granary
that
currently
doesn't
have
fixed
rail
we're
having
much
public
transit.
E
P
P
Yeah,
it
makes
sense,
and
I
think
it
comes
from
a
couple
of
different
things.
One
is
that
at
least
how
it's
initially
being
rolled
out
and
limited
to
the
300
grass
and
the
fleet
block
is
that
it
is
within
a
block
of
of
the
light
rail
station
there.
It's
also
along
one
of
the
high
frequency
routes
that
the
city's
upgraded
and
so
there's
a
big
component.
P
There
there's
also
the
nine
line,
connections
and
improvements
that
add
a
different
element
of
human
powered
transportation,
which
is
also
a
critical
component
of
that,
and
I
think
I
think,
there's
there's
a
reality
that
if
we
plan
for
cars
we're
going
to
get
cars
right
and
there
are
going
to
be
growing
pains
absolutely
it's
a
it's
a
different
change
and
you
know
we're
experiencing
that
in
several
parts
of
the
city
for
sure,
and
so
it's
I
think,
one
of
the
things
to
consider
is
that
having
no
minimum
parking
doesn't
always
mean
that
we're
going
to
have
zero
parking
build,
and
I
think
it's
a
little
bit
different
when
we're
talking
about
affordable
housing
and
the
impact
that
parking
has
on
that.
P
That
cost,
and
so
there
are
some
realities
with
with
parking
the
parking
ordinance
itself,
which
I
believe
has
been
transmitted
to
the
council
office
and
hasn't
been
scheduled
for
briefings
and
discussions,
yet
take
more
of
a
context
approach
than
what
our
current
parking
regulations
do,
and
so
that
really
is
the
time
to
focus
on
the
parking
discussion,
because
it
one
it's.
It
is
a
more
holistic,
comprehensive
type
of
discussion
and
we're
going
to
talk
about
it
on
a
project
by
project
basis.
P
It's
a
lot
harder
discussion
to
have,
and
so
I
I
would
say
that.
P
Again,
if
we,
if
we
plan
for
cars,
we're
going
to
get
cars
and
if
we
want
to
meet
our
sustainability
goals
as
a
city,
then
we
have
to
take
a
different
approach
and
there
will
be
some
growing
pains
and
some
more
competition
for
essentially
on-street
parking,
which
I
think
we're
seeing
in
a
lot
of
different
places.
But
I
think
it's
important
to
note
that
when
you,
when
you
see
competition
for
on-street
parking,
it's
not
as
if
somebody
is
losing
something.
P
E
And
I
I'm
I'm
not
opposed
to
moving
towards
planning
for
fewer
cars.
I
guess
I'm
thinking
of
the
decision
we
made
to
apply
for
base.
I
think
it
was
two
over
on
northeast,
but
in
that
case
parking
became
a
concern
and
we
put
a
a
development
agreement
on
that
parking
had
to
be
provided
within
that,
and
so
I
don't
know,
maybe
that's
the
way
that
I
just
imagine
this.
If
it
is
going
to
be
applied
in
other
places,
not
the
fleet
block
that
we're
going
to
want
to
have
to
do
those
things.
E
B
Any
other
questions
or
comments
from
council
members,
mine
only
is
that
I
know
that
we
talk
about
artists
and
it
seems
like
we
are
necessarily
you
know,
implying
that
there
would
be
some
public
art
component,
but
in
our
subsequent
discussions
I
would
like
to
see
us
talk
about
a
public
art
component
like
and
put
that
more
explicitly
in
the
bullets.
But
that's
my
only.
B
Oh
mayor
mendenhall.
C
Thanks,
mr
chairman,
I
I
just
wanted
to
express
a
concern
that-
and
I
know
how
I
understand-
how
tempting
it
probably
is
to
put
some
fine
numbers,
some
acreage,
some
percentage
on
this
block
before
there's
any
public
engagement
process
before
there's
a
market
data
study,
and
I
would
really
caution
against
trying
to
put
a
point
on
this.
A
fine
point
before
we've
done
that
work.
C
Here's
the
biggest
reason
for
me
and
I'm
sure
that
nick
and
others
have
their
own
list
of
reasons.
But
we
have
just
farther
west
in
this
in
the
community
at
raging
waters,
location
about
17
acres,
that
must
be
recreation
space
it.
C
The
land
was
purchased
with
with
grant
money
that
bound
us
in
perpetuity
to
that
being
recreation
space
and
we
we
want-
and
we
have
some
great
desires-
to
go
through
a
great
conversation
with
salt
lake
city
residents
about
making
that
into
an
incredible
space
and
we've
had
some
of
those
conversations
with
the
council
in
in
small
fashion.
So
far,
I
don't
want
to
pass
that
on
to
future
administrations.
The
way
fleet
block
has
been
passed
on
from
administration
to
administration,
with
nothing
happening.
C
You
know,
whatever
the
designation
ends
up
being
from
the
council's
decision
on
zoning,
that
space
could
be
as
unremarkable
as
some
open
spaces
on
different
blocks
in
other
parts
of
the
city
unprogrammed
without
art,
without
lighting
without
engagement,
it
could
be
that
and
it
could
still
fulfill
your
acreage
and
your
percentage,
but
the
opportunity
that
we
have
in
the
re
in
the
development
aspect,
whether
that's
housing
and
maker
spaces,
it's
incubator,
labs,
whatever
it
ends
up
being,
let's
not
put
a
point
on
that
yet
because
we're
going
to
have
that
conversation
with
the
public
that
space
could
be
designed
through
the
value
that
it
holds
to
the
people,
leasing
it
to
tie
revenue
into
supporting
the
public
open
space
and
making
that
public
place
as
fulfilled
as
the
desires
we're
hearing
from
the
community
to
make
it
be.
C
So,
let's
not
put
a
point
of
how
many
acres
or
what
percentage
of
land
it
must
be.
Let's
talk
about
the
value
of
what
that
public
space
should
be,
what
should
it
embody?
How
should
it
help
our
community
to
feel
and
who's
going
to
be
drawn
to
be
supported
in
that
kind
of
environment?
I
hope
that's
what
we
can
get
to
a
conversation
with
the
community
about,
and
then
we
can
design
the
rest
of
the
block
to
be
able
to
support
that
function.
C
O
So
just
mr
chair,
yes,
I
think
so,
if
we
may,
if
the
council
could
probably
consider
a
straw
poll
or
just
direct
staff
to
say
what
you
saw
was
a
good
basis
to
start
with,
and
staff
can
work
with
each
other
to
come
back
with
some
more
final
language
that
you
can
consider
at
a
future
council
meeting
on
these
type
of
conditions.
B
Yes,
hold
on
councilmember
fowler
and
then
councilman
johnson.
L
Thanks
nick
for
pointing
that
out
for
me,
I
think
if
we
have
a
point
a
starting
point,
but
and
while
I
don't
want
to
bind
completely,
I
think
that
we
do
need
to
look
at
some
language
for
some
potential
contingencies.
So
I
think
for
me.
I
would
like
to
continue
having
these
discussions,
and
so
we
can
at
least
have
some
some
language
for
potential
contingencies.
F
C
I
I've
heard
through
council
conversations
and
interest
in
doing
as
councilmember
dugan
mentioned
a
park
over
all
the
block
that
we
own,
or
it's
over
some
fantastic
majority
of
the
block
that
would
be
on
a
fleet
block
and
the
the
opportunity
to
achieve
two.
What
would
be
regional
parks
is
incredibly
slim
and
that's
what
I
mean
about
not
wanting
to
pass
on
raging
waters
to
future
administrations
to
deal
with,
maybe,
and
also
not
wanting
fleet
block
to
be
passed
on
to
the
future
without
any
action
as
it
has
been
for
12
years.
C
G
F
There
is
some
flexibility,
I'm
still
reacting
a
bit
to
the
feasibility
study
from
a
couple
years
back
they
called
public
space,
basically
the
crossroads
of
two
roads
going
through
the
middle
of
that
block,
and
that
for
me,
was
really
undermining
the
whole
point
of
public
space,
but
I
don't
think
we're
following
that
method
anymore.
I
think
this
is
a
new
starting
point.
I
support
it.
F
I
am
concerned
about
tying
these
two
things
in
together
and
saying
we
can
do
either
or
I
get
the
realist
mayor
of
the
economic
we've
talked
a
lot
about
parks
and
the
funding
and
so
forth.
I
understand
that.
I
don't
want
this
conversation
to
start
up
saying
this
or
that-
and
I
say
that
honestly,
because
what
I
get
told
over
and
over
again
when
I
talk
about
that,
is
well,
you
spent
this
much
money
on
this
park
over
here.
F
M
B
Nick
yeah-
I
don't
know
nick,
had
said
that
you
know,
would
we
be
ready
to
move
forward
or
would
is
this
a
good
starting
point
to
move
forward
with
discussions?
B
And
so
I
that's
the
the
feedback
that
we
need
to
give
staff
is
whether
they're
going
the
right
direction
or
whether
we
want
them
to
go
in
a
different
direction.
And
then
we
need
to
move
on
if
we're
going
to
have
a
dinner
break.
M
F
Ahead
andrew,
I
would
support
the
language
nick
put
in
about
an
effective
date
based
on
the
criteria
of
public
engagement,
there's
also
a
small
piece
in
there
about
time
frames.
I
think
it
just
identifies
we'll
need
some
time
frames,
essentially
that
one
we
know
the
public
engagement
is
done
so
to
speak
or
a
point
where
we
can
take
implement
the
the
zoning,
but
I
would
support
the
language
you
put
in
about
making
the
zoning
effective
based
on
public
engineering
process,
we'll
identify.
B
Okay,
well,
we
can
have
this.
We
can
have
discussion
to
the
straw
poll
or
take
amendments
to.
L
I
guess
my
my
understanding
from
what
nick
tarbot
wanted
was
to
see
if
this
was
something
that
we
wanted
to
continue
having
discussions
about,
and
I
think
saying
for
me
saying
yes
we're
going
to
go
on
the
rezone
with
this
time
frame.
It
seems
a
little
restrictive
right
now,
where
we
haven't
even
had
the
discussions
about
what
the
potential
contingencies
could
be
or
would
be
based
on
that,
and
I
think
for
me
it's
just.
B
F
I
think
I
I
read
the
language
saying
that
we
would
look
at
moving
forward
on
the
zoning
based
on
all
these
things
below
about
a
public
engagement
process
would
have
to
be
completed.
First,
I'm
not
sure,
there's
much
detail
in
there,
but
I
think
in
my
view,
it
moved
us
forward
with
the
intention
that
we
would
look
at
the
zoning
change
contingent
on
these
things
happening,
but
they
were
pretty
vague.
Still,
there's
no
time
frames
in
there.
M
And
nick,
are
you
understanding
that
to
be
your
d
as
far
as
emotions
is
concerned
in,
in
the
broad
view,.
O
Yeah,
so
there
there's
there's
no
motion
on
the
table
right
now.
Sorry,
if
I
confuse
that
the
the
intent
is
that
we
will
take
what
council
staff
talked
about
with
these,
the
very
general
contingencies,
with
what
the
administration
has
drafted
and
you
would
be
directing
staff
to
work
amongst
each
other
to
come
up
with
some
more
defined
options
for
you
to
get
considered
a
future
meeting.
L
B
Been
remembered
and
remember,
this
is
just
even
this
is
just
a
straw
poll.
It
is
not
binding
and
we
will
not
be
voting
on
it
later
it.
This
is
just
giving
direction
on
how
to
what
to
do
next.
So
I,
with
that
I'll
ask
for
everybody's
to
indicate
your
support
or
non-support.
B
Okay,
I
have
a
thumbs
up
from
councilmember
johnston,
fowler
dugan,
mono
and
rogers.
I
am
a
thumbs
up
as
well.
That's
unanimous
thumbs
up
with
one
abstention
or
one
not
present.
Let's
move
on
to
our
agenda
item
number
four,
which
is
a
resolution
or
funding
our
future
transit
master
plan
implementation,
interlocal
agreement
with
utah
transit
authority.
B
So
for
this
discussion
we've
got
cura
luke
we've
got
blake
thomas
from
can
john
larson
and
julianne
sabula,
both
from
transportation,
and
if
you
can
give
this
presentation
in
less
than
20
minutes,
that
would
be
appreciated.
K
This
is
part
of
the
funding,
our
future
sales
tax
expenditures
in
2019,
the
city
and
uta
entered
into
a
20-year
inter-local
agreement
with
valet
to
better
meet
salt
lake
city's
needs
for
enhanced
transit
service,
which
includes
more
weekend
service
earlier
and
later,
and
better
east-west
connections
of
the
council's
original
priorities.
From
those
discussions
were
those
were
10th:
north
6th,
the
north
200
south
400,
south
900,
south
and
2100
south.
K
The
current
service
agreements
focus
on
the
routes,
certainly
200
south
900,
south
and
2100
south,
the
council
discussions
in
2019
designated
400
south
as
the
last
route
that
would
be
implemented,
and
as
of
this
year's
budget
discussion,
staff
understands
that
uta
had
plans
for
service
on
600
north,
which
is
a
regionally
significant
route.
But
resources
from
this
city
are
still
going
to
be
needed
to
implement
the
ila
that
was
approved
in
2019,
outlines
the
cities
and
uta's
respective
roles
for
this
higher
level
of
transit
service.
K
The
details
on
that
are
on
page
three
of
the
staff
report
for
anybody
interested
the
specifics
of
service
for
each
year
are
governed
under
these
annual
addenda.
Addendum
2
was
budgeted
for
in
fiscal
year
20
and
covered
the
service
that
uta
provided
from
august
2019
to
august
2020..
Part
of
what
the
council
is
being
asked
to
consider
today
is
an
amendment
to
addendum
2,
which
we
can
call
2.1.
K
In
this
case,
there
was
also
a
pandemic
that
affected
services,
so
2.1
results
in
an
overall
credit
to
salt
lake
city.
We
understand
that,
once
it's
been
approved
by
the
council,
the
credit
will
be
applied
to
the
first
installations
of
funding
for
addendum
3..
Addendum
3
is
the
second
component
in
the
resolution
that
the
council
is
considering.
K
funding.
Our
future
revenues
have
been
committed
to
an
even
higher
level
than
the
city's
already
stringent
transparency
requirements,
and
we
still
have
some
work
to
do
to
meet
that
commitment
and
make
sure
that
the
council's
opportunities
for
budgeting
and
oversight
are
being
met
along
the
lines
of
those
clarifications.
I'd
like
to
note
just
a
couple
updates.
Since
the
staff
report
was
published,
the
staff
report
mentioned
a
net
credit
of
five
hundred
and
eleven
thousand
dollars
472
after
taking
into
account
the
pandemic
related
service
reduction
and
fuel
and
mileage.
K
True
ups
we've
since
found
that
the
actual
amount
is
a
bit
higher.
It's
569
637
the
prior
number
included
a
cost
to
the
city
for
increased
actual
mileage
over
the
mileage
that
was
budgeted
for,
but
that
was
actually
already
included
in
the
calculations
for
the
pandemic
service
reduction.
B
Q
I
julianne
and
I
are
both
ready:
okay,
great
you,
good,
okay,
okay,
I
appreciate
this
opportunity
and
thank
you
kyra
for
a
most
excellent
summary
of
what
got
us
to
where
we
are
right
now,
so
that
helps
shorten
some
of
the
things
that
I
was
ready
to
talk
about
because
she
covered
it
really
well
the
background
so
really
we're
here
to
talk
about
two
addenda
to
the
interlocal
agreement.
Q
One
is
the
true
up
from
cost
from
the
previous
service
year
of
service
and
then
to
extend
the
service
for
the
three
sponsored
routes
from
august
2020
to
august
2021.
Q
Q
Our
plan
moving
forward
is
to
have
the
addendum
for
august
transmitted
to
council
in
may
of
each
year
and
at
the
latest
at
the
latest,
to
ensure
that
council
has
ample
time
for
review
and
deliberation
already
scheduled
reviews
by
legal
and
finance
in
april
for
this
coming
year
for
the
fy
2122
addendum,
the
good
news
is
as
kira
talked
about
is
the
city
is
getting
money
back
from
last
year's
contract
and
julian
has
a
presentation
prepared
to
provide
additional
details
on
that
again.
Q
R
Great
here
we
go
okay,
as
mentioned
we
have
this
20-year
agreement,
that's
been
in
place
during
the
first
year.
We
did
mobilization
of
the
routes
that
are
up
and
running
now.
In
the
second
year
we
actually
did
the
service
and
so
addendum
3
kind
of
addresses
doing
that.
R
For
the
second
time,
the
provision
of
service,
the
mobilization
is
only
needed
the
first
year,
but
this
is
the
first
time
we're
doing
true
ups,
and
so
this
is
kind
of
a
new
thing
for
us,
and
it's
really
good
news
for
us
this
year.
It
may
not
be
every
year,
so
we
should
enjoy
it
for
this
year.
R
R
For
that
and
then
finally,
there
were
coveted
19
service
reductions
and
I'm
going
to
try
and
unpack
that
just
quickly,
but
I'm
open
for
questions.
Obviously,
after
if
it's
not
clear,
it's
a
little
confusing,
essentially
the
the
credit
account
accounts
for
this,
the
mileage
true
up
already.
So
the
bottom
line
number
that
you
see
already
has
subtracted
the
58
000
from
the
total.
This
462
already
reflects
that
the
service
is
57
approximately
system-wide
from
april
april
to
august
the
change
day
occurred
late,
so
it
was
actually
late
april.
R
R
Essentially,
all
of
this
leaves
us,
with
a
total
credit
to
the
city
of
almost
570
thousand
dollars,
and
I
think
karen
mentioned
that
this
would
be
reflected
in
our
first
couple
of
invoices,
the
terms
of
which
have
already
expired.
But
uta
did
agree
in
good
faith
to
operate
the
service
and
wait
and
see
what
the
outcome
of
this
discussion
with
all
of
you
would
reveal.
R
In
addition,
we
have
a
refined
cost
estimate
now
for
this
year
of
service,
that's
currently
underway.
The
really
good
news
is
that,
even
with
the
drop
in
ridership
due
to
covid,
there
were
certain
times
on
certain
days
on
a
couple
of
the
routes
that
met
these
thresholds.
We
we
refer
to
it
as
productivity
and
propensity,
and
really
it
just
means
is
the
area
more
likely
to
have
trans
riders,
and
is
it
in
fact
seeing
more
ridership,
and
these
are
the
two
metrics
used
in
transit
planning
to
determine
levels
of
service.
R
So
a
couple
of
our
routes,
it's
kind
of
a.
If
you
build
it,
they
will
come.
People
came,
the
ridership
went
up,
and
so
uta
is
assuming
those
costs,
and
so
that
has
also
reduced
our
cost
for
this
year,
and
so
that
yields
a
savings
of
a
little
over
four
hundred
thousand
dollars,
meaning
that
in
total
we
have
a
savings
of
almost
a
million
dollars.
R
Initially
we
had,
as
kara
mentioned,
there
are
the
the
sixth
north
and
tenth
north
routes
that
were
next
on
the
list
followed
by
fourth
south
on
that
council
expressed
an
interest
in
implementing
uta
in
november.
I
think
we
had
indicated
at
some
point
that
we
needed
a
decision
by
the
end
of
the
year
as
to
whether
we
wanted
to
implement
sooner
than
later,
meaning
in
2021
as
opposed
to
2022.
R
R
What
that
means
for
us
functionally
is
probably
a
delay.
You
know
we
could
potentially
implement,
but
we
have
not
yet
done
a
budget
amendment
for
that,
and
it
would
be
significantly
more
expensive,
more
than
double
the
cost
without
uta's
other
service
changes
in
place.
R
So
we
have
kind
of
a
list
of
considerations
here
in
terms
of
next
steps
and
we're
just
seeking
council
guidance
on
whether
these
steps
make
sense
or
whether
we
should
consider
a
different
path.
The
first
is
to
launch
the
trips
to
transit
on
demand
service
in
august
of
2021.
R
R
It
covers
really
all
of
the
area
or
much
of
the
area
that
the
new
routes
would
would
cover
in
the
future,
and
we
think
that
that
would
be
a
good
thing
for
that
community.
To
have
sooner
than
later,
we
can
continue
with
the
planning,
design
and
construction
of
capital
for
sixth
north
that
we've
now
learned
a
little
more
with
the
service
planning.
So
the
sixth
north
route
will
also
cover
fifth
east,
where
the
205
currently
operates,
and
then
the
10th
north
route
will
operate
on
south
temple
all
the
way
up
to
the
university.
R
Building
those
capital
improvements
helps
ensure
that
we
have
the
foundation
lead
the
table
set,
so
to
speak,
for
the
routes
to
come
online
in
2022
and
then
finally
launching
those
routes
in
august
of
22.
This
would
require
in
the
normal
budget
cycle
mobilization,
but
at
this
time
that
would
not
be
needed.
R
N
D
N
Are
in
effect,
so
you
know,
I,
I
truly
believe.
If
you
build
it,
they
will
come.
You
can
see
that
through
the
the
bus
routes
that
are
going
through
district
2
right
now
and
I'm
all
for
the
capital
improvement
projects
to
you
know
to
make
sure
that
the
bus
routes
are
ready
and
ready
to
go
in
2022.
I'm
a
little
disappointed
that
we're
gonna
have
to.
N
I
won't
be
around
when
they
actually
get
you
know
put
in
place,
but
let's
make
sure
there
at
least
some
bus
stops
and
stuff
put
together
so
that
when
they
do
come,
they're
ready
to
go.
But
I
I
do
appreciate
everyone
reaching
out
the
departments
to
discuss
this
with
me.
I'm
comfortable
moving
forward
with
the
scenarios
that
they've
proposed
specifically
for
capital
improvements
and
500,
north
and
600
north.
I
know
that
we
discussed
you
know
not
a
lane
reduction,
but
a
transportation
corridor
study
analysis.
B
Thank
you
any
other
questions
or
comments
on
this
item.
Councilmember
fowler.
L
The
one
thing
I
do
want
to
say
is
that
I
we
if
in
the
staff
report,
we
talk
about
the
999
000,
that
was
in
a
holding
account
and
maybe
kind
of
keeping
at
least
a
little
a
little
bit
of
money
in
a
rainy
day,
separate
account
for
transfer
to
these
transportation
issues,
because
we
don't
know
what
our
sales
tax
is
going
to
look
like.
So
that
would
be
I'm
all
for
the
capital
improvements.
L
I
think
that's
where
this
money
should
go,
but
maybe
kind
of
also
considering
a
little
rainy
day
fund,
because
it
it
not
only
rained,
but
everything
happened
this
year,
and
so
we
kind
of
want
to
maybe
make
sure
we're
preparing
for
a
potential
loss
in
those
in
that
revenue.
Q
We'd
be
more
than
happy
to
come
back
at
the
start
of
the
new
year
if
it
would
be
helpful
for
council
and
and
maybe
dive
in
a
little
deeper
on
some
of
those.
Some
of
those
details.
B
Okay,
is
it
are
you
looking
for
a
straw
poll
on
this
or
not
not
yet.
Q
The
the
more
urgent
issue
is,
we
need
approval
from
council
to
move
ahead
with
executing
the
agenda
to
the
interlocutor
agreement,
2.1
and
3,
which
would
be
last
year's
true
up
and
then
authorization
for
the
service.
That
is
for
that's
happening
right
now.
The
august
20
to
august
2021
service.
H
Move
then
or
well
you
could
you
could
do
a
straw
poll
now
so
that
the
administration
will
know
the
direction
that
you're
thinking
what
your
sense
is.
Currently
the
money
is
already
appropriated.
It's
basically,
your
you're
consenting
to
use
it
in
the
ways
that
that
they
are
talking
about
trips
to
transit
and
such
and
then
you'll
be
voting
on
the
the
contract.
Amendments.
L
I
would
propose
a
strap
that
we
support
the
approval
of
the
addendum
and
have
transportation
come
back
with
a
little
bit
more
specifications
later.
B
Okay,
you
heard
the
poll
everyone
indicate
your
thoughts,
seeing
a
thumbs
up
from
council
members,
fowler
johnston,
dugan
mono
rogers
and
myself-
that's
unanimous
with
one
council
member
absent,
okay,
council
members.
We
are
at
agenda
item
number
five,
which
is
a
board
appointment
to
the
housing
advisory
and
appeals
board.
Nominee
is
katie.
Sims
is
katie
here
and
available
to
join
us.
B
Hi
katie
hello,
thanks
for
being
here,
of
course,
would
you
tell
us
a
little
bit
about
yourself
and
why
you're
interested
in
this
position.
S
Yeah,
of
course,
so
I
have
born
and
raised
in
salt
lake
city
utah.
I've
lived
here.
My
whole
life
had
the
opportunity
new
opportunity
to
move
away,
not
a
big
fan
of
anywhere
else.
So
I
am
still
here.
S
I
went
to
school
at
the
university
of
utah
got
a
degree
in
history,
and
then
I
started
an
internship
with
the
city
attorney's
office
under
margaret
plane
and
worked
in
the
risk
management
division
there
for
five
or
six
years,
and
then,
after
that
I
did
leave
to
for
a
new
opportunity
in
the
private
sector.
S
I
manage
insurance
liability
claims,
which
is
as
fun
as
it
sounds,
and
I
have
interest
in
serving
in
salt
lake
city,
because
I
truly
loved
my
time.
Working
with
the
city
and
feeling
like,
I
made
a
big
difference
in
the
city,
even
if
it
wasn't
a
big
difference.
It
felt
like
a
big
difference
to
me
and
I
very
much
missed
the
opportunity
to
you
know,
serve
my
community
and
feel
like
I'm
truly
involved
in
the
world
that
I
live
in.
So
that
is
why
I
applied.
B
All
right
well,
thank
you.
So
we
will
place
your
name
on
our
oh
katie's
waiting.
Is
that
just
a
friendly
wave
or.
I
I
council
chair,
if
I
could
just
take
a
point
of
personal
privilege
I
wanted
to
let
everyone
know
that
we
adore
katie
and
are
so
pleased
that
she
is
coming
back
to
the
city
in
any
capacity
hi
nice
to
see
you
so
good
to
see
you.
B
Oh
never
mind:
okay,
thank
you
katie,
and
we
will
put
your
name
on
our
consent
agenda
for
adoption
at
our
formal
meeting
tonight
and
you
do
not
need
to
be
present,
but
you
are
very
welcome
to
join
us
if
you
would
like-
and
that
starts
at
seven
o'clock
and
our
consent
agenda
is
the
last
item
on
the
agenda.
B
B
Okay,
great
thanks
council
members
are
next
agenda.
Item
is
another
board
appointment
to
the
housing
advisory
and
appeals
board
for
carrie.
Eshler
is
carrie.
A
T
B
T
Well,
I'm
a
I'm
a
social
worker
in
my
lcsw
I
have
been
for
about
four
years.
I've
been
in
the
medical
and
mental
health
field
for
most
of
my
life.
I
moved
back
to
utah
here
a
couple
of
years
ago.
My
sister-in-law,
victoria
eshler
is
big
in
the
community
and
so
has
been
kind
of
urging
me.
I've
been
kind
of
shying
away,
but
this
last
four
years
has
kind
of
made
me
want
to
get
more
involved.
T
I
was
a
part
of
operation,
rio
grande
down
at
the
shelter,
and
so
I
just
got
a
lot
of
experience
with
what
you
know
what
ben
mcadams
was
trying
to
do.
Maybe
how
his
approach
may
be
incorporating
some
other
things
and
looking
at
what
kind
of
didn't
work
you
know,
while
we
were
down
there,
but
maybe
I
can
see
kind
of
get
a
bigger
picture
of
what
budget
and
just
what's
happening
in
general
and
see.
B
Great,
thank
you.
Does
anyone
else
or
does
anyone
have
any
questions
for.
B
Carrie
all
right
carrie,
I
don't
know
if
you've
heard
my
speech
the
last
applicant,
but
we'll
put
your
name
on
our
consent
for
adoption
at
tonight's
meeting.
You
don't
need
to
be
present
to
win.
You're,
welcome
to
join
us,
and
thank
you
very
much
for
your
service
to
the
city.
B
Okay.
Our
last
agenda
item
is
another
nomination
to
the
housing
advisory
and
appeals
board.
Sarah
hart,
sarah,
are
you
with
us.
A
I'm
here
and
thrilled
to
be
your
last
item.
B
B
Oh,
you
know
what
you're
okay,
my
my
concern
partly
was
trying
to
get
to
you
guys
on
time
as
well,
because
you
guys
have
a
time
certain
appointments
on
our
calendar.
So
but
yeah
go
ahead
and
tell
us
a
little
about
yourself
and
and
why
you're
interested
in
serving
in
this
capacity.
A
Yeah,
so
I
some
reason
my
video
is
not
starting,
so
you
can
hear
me
fine.
I
I
will
assume
unless
you
flag
me,
I'm
a
public
health
nurse,
and
so
I
have
a
intimate
understanding
of
how
the
direct
and
indirect
ways
that
the
built
environment
affects
health,
and
it's
something
very
important
to
me.
My
phd
is
in
public
policy,
so
I
also
have
experience
evaluating
government
level
interventions
for
their
effectiveness
and
further
intended
outcomes
very
different
from
that.
A
I
also
own
rental
property
and
we
do
most
of
the
work
on
our
properties
ourselves,
so
I'm
pretty
familiar
with
permitting
and
building
ordinances
and
engineering
sign-offs,
which
made
me
particularly
interested
in
this
board,
but
mostly,
I
just
really
believe
in
the
power
of
neighborhoods,
for
positive
change
and-
and
I
want
to
be
a
part
of.
B
Okay,
sarah,
we
will
place
your
name
on
our
agenda
for
on
our
consent
agenda
for
adoption
tonight
and
you
need
not
be
present
to
win,
but
you're
welcome
to
join
us,
and
thank
you
very
much
for
your
service
to
the
city.
B
Thank
you.
You
too,
all
right.
Council
members.
I
actually
lied.
That
is
not
the
last
item
on
our
agenda,
but
almost
we
have
report
of
the
chair
and
vice
chair.
I
do
not
have
a
report
councilmember,
mr
vice
chair,
do
you
have
a
report.
F
No,
mr
chair,
are
we
doing
the
calendar
later
on
next
year's
meeting,
calendar
updates
agreed.
B
Yeah,
yes,
it'll,
be
it's
the
next
item
all
right!
Thank
you
and
so
we'll
go
to
announcements
from
executive
director,
cindy
gas
jensen.
H
Okay,
I
just
need
to
switch
screens
for
a
second.
We
have
your
well,
that's
not
going
to
work.
Okay
bobby.
Will
you
put
up
those
specific
dates
for
us?
We
have
the
calendar
changes
that
you
discussed
at
your
last
meeting
and
it
was
really
helpful
to
us
that
you
were
willing
to
spend
the
time
to
go
over
in
that
level
of
detail,
because
it
really
is
going
to
save
us
time
throughout
the
year.
H
So
we
have
some
changes
in
march
to
accommodate
the
national
league
of
cities
conference
and
then
we
have
in
may
the
addition
of
may
27th
as
work
session
only
to
allow
time
for
budget
briefings.
Then
in
june
we
didn't
pencil
in
any
thursdays.
I
don't
think,
but
we
did
erase
the
meetings
that
are
after
june
15th,
so
that
still
would
put
you
at
three
meetings
in
june,
but
it
wouldn't
be
as
bad
as
having
five
that
was
frightening
to
see
five
on
the
agenda,
then
in
july.
H
In
order
to
avoid
scheduling
too
close
to
the
holidays,
the
meetings
were
changed
at
your
suggestion
to
july
13th
and
20th,
and
then
in
august
we're
accommodating
night
out
against
crime
the
primary
election,
and
then
we
have
to
keep
an
eye
out
for
the
truth
and
taxation
hearing,
but
so
far
what
we
have
is
august,
17th
and
august
24th,
and
then
jennifer
will
have
to
work
out
with
the
county
whether
those
work
we
may
have
to
come
back
to
you
on
this
one,
but
our
staff
has
worked
with
rda
staff
on
any
of
these
changes
that
affect
them
and
they're
fine
with
them.
H
H
H
No,
it's
it's
more
that
as
long
as
you've
seen
it
and
you're
okay
with
it.
It's
it's
more
of
a
an
informational
thing
for
them.
Thank
you.
B
Okay,
thank
you
cindy.
That
is
the
last
item
on
our
agenda
because
we
do
not
have
a
closed
session
tonight,
so
we
will
go
ahead
and
break
until
our
formal
meeting
at
seven
o'clock.
Thanks
everyone
see
you.