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A
B
Welcome
everyone
to
today's
city
council
meeting.
It
is
april
6th,
2021,
so
welcome.
We
are
grateful
to
have
you
joining
us
as
we
continue
to
hold
electronic
meetings.
Welcome
to
the
members
of
the
public
who
may
be
watching
our
usual
video
feeds
online,
and
even
though,
as
always,
we
as
always
it's
the
last
year
and
a
half
or
so
we
are
not
in
person.
This
meeting
is
still
considered
an
open
and
public
meeting.
B
B
Our
first
item
on
the
agenda
is
an
update
from
the
administration.
I
will
go
ahead
and,
madam
mayor,
thank
you
for
joining
us.
As
always,
I
will
go
ahead
and
turn
the
time
over
to
you.
Thank
you.
C
Thanks,
madam
chairman,
always
glad
to
have
this
opportunity
to
give
you
some
updates
on
the
urgent
matters
that
we're
facing
with
regard
to
covid
and
the
end
game
legislation
that
seeks
to
end
that
statewide
mass
mandate
on
saturday
april
10th,
except
for
in
schools
and
in
gatherings
of
over
50
people,
where
social
distancing
can't
be
maintained,
that
legislation
also
set
forth
some
requirements
that,
when
they're
met,
will
require
the
expiration
of
all
public
health
orders
that
relate
to
covid.
C
The
states,
which
are
the
state's
14-day
case
rate,
is
less
than
191
per
100
000
people.
The
second
is
that
the
state-wide
seven-day
average
icu
utilization
is
less
than
15
percent
and
third
is
when
the
department
of
health
provides
notice
that
1
million
633
000
prime
doses
of
covid
vaccine
have
been
allocated
to
the
state
of
utah.
C
C
It's
at
just
over
210
per
100
000.
and
84103.
It's
four
214.
one
one.
It's
a
hundred
and
ninety
seven
per
one
hundred
thousand
vaccinations
in
the
county
are
at
thirteen
point.
Two
five
percent
of
the
county
residents
are
partially
vaccinated
and
just
over
19
percent
are
fully
vaccinated.
C
C
If
there
aren't
any
questions
on
that
data,
I'm
going
to
move
on
to
the
community
commitment
program
updates
the
rio
grande
resource,
fair,
was
held
on
march
30th
salt
lake
county
health
department
provided
45,
one-shot
johnson,
johnson
covid,
19
vaccines,
our
justice
court
heard
30
cases
and
the
third
district
court
heard
ten
cases
down
there.
Five
people
took
up
shelter
bed
offers
during
that
resource,
fair
and
a
resource
fair
on
the
fleet
block
was
just
held
yesterday.
C
C
I
also
want
to
mention
that
today
we
were
really
excited
to
announce
the
expansion
of
the
downtown
ambassador
program.
Thank
you,
councilmember
johnston
for
making
the
time
to
be
there
and
that's
an
expansion.
If,
if
you
go
to
look
at
our
contract
with
the
downtown
alliance
and
that
contract
talks
about
what
is
the
downtown
of
salt
lake
city,
that
downtown's
been
growing
and
downtown
needs
have
been
growing
for
a
long
time.
C
So
thanks
to
our
downtown
alliance
partners
for
stretching
that
way,
the
ambassadors
will
be
on
foot
in
the
north
temple
corridor
six
days
a
week
from
8
30
a.m
to
5
p.m,
and
they
always
work
in
coordination
with
the
police
department
as
necessary,
but
those
hours
they
can
change,
based
on
the
need
and
availability
depending
on
the
day.
So
it's
a
flexible
situation.
It's
wonderful
and
I
also
want
to
give
a
shout
out
to
the
salt
lake
city
police
department's
bike
squad.
C
We
have
several
bike
squads,
the
one
that
has
been
focused
around
north
temple
area
and
the
neighborhoods
north
and
south
of
there
have
had
a
tremendous
by
2021.
So
far,
just
since
the
beginning
of
the
year,
they've
made
86
felony
arrests
in
the
north
temple
area,
they've
seized,
10
firearms,
they
have
found
nine
occupied,
stolen
vehicles
and
thousands
of
dollars
in
drug
money.
Cash
seized
and
nearly
two
thousand
grams
in
illegal
drugs
taken
off
the
street,
so
wonderful
work
bike
squad
and
welcome
to
the
downtown
ambassadors
who
are
coming
out
to
north
temple.
D
Thank
you
mayor,
good
afternoon
council.
It's
a
pleasure
to
be
with
you
again.
The
ccp
program
has
been
a
good
vehicle
for
us
to
to
deliver
services
to
those
that
are
experiencing
homelessness
and
those
that
are
very
vulnerable
and
need
services
throughout
the
department.
As
far
as
the
role
of
the
police
department,
I
want
to
just
reiterate
that
our
role
is
to
provide
safety
and
security
and
when
I
say
that
that's
safety
and
security
for
everyone,
the
ccc,
our
community
commitment
program,
our
social
workers
and
our
outreach
correspondent
officers.
D
This
model
goes
out
into
these.
These
encampments
many
weeks
ahead
of
time
to
make
sure
that
we
can,
or
at
least
try
to
get
people
connected
to
services,
and
we
do
a
good
job
and
they
work
very
well
with
the
other
service
providers,
voa
and
other
partners
in
the
community
to
make
sure
that
we're
helping
people
to
whatever
it
might
be.
D
The
whole
idea
is
to
connect
the
dots
help
people
get
the
assistance
and
services
they
need
that
they
may
be
able
to
get
out
of
this
lifestyle,
but
the
other
part
of
it
is
safety
and
security
for,
for
those
that
are
out
there.
There
are
a
lot
of
predatory
criminals
that
kind
of
use
the
homeless
as
a
shield
to
operate
and
to
distribute
drugs
to
assault,
to
do
a
lot
of
illegal
activities,
and
so
our
officers
through
directed
outreach
or
directed
enforcement.
D
D
D
B
Thank
you.
We
will
next
go
to
our
update
on
racial
equity
and
policing.
Our
council
staff
member
policy.
Analyst
alison
roland
is
here,
and
I
also
saw
some
members
of
the
commission
here,
and
so
we
can
introduce
them
allison
when
you
are
ready
moises.
I
see
you
popped
up.
Thank
you
so
much
for
being
with
us
today,
nicole
hi,
it's
good
to
see
you
and
before
I
turn
the
time
over
to
allison.
I
just
want
to
say
that
I
really
appreciated
reverend
davis.
Thank
you
for
being
here.
B
I
really
appreciated
the
the
written
briefing
and
the
the
recommendations
from
the
subcommittee
is
the
amount
of
work
that
you
can
tell
you
all
are
doing,
is
so
greatly
valued
and
appreciated,
and
the
recommendations
are
exactly
what
I
believe
that
this
council
is
looking
for
and
what
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we're
moving
this
conversation
forward
in
a
positive
way.
So,
thank
you
so
very
much.
B
G
Madam
chair
good
afternoon,
as
you
mentioned,
there
will
be
recommendations
from
the
school
safety
subcommittee
presented
today
before
we
get
to
that.
I
just
wanted
to
mention
that
the
full
rep
commission
meets
tomorrow
april,
7th
at
5
p.m
and,
as
always,
the
council
members
and
the
public
can
listen
in
the
easiest
way
to
get
on.
That
website
is
probably
to
go.
It's
just
to
google
slc
rep
commission.
G
So
with
that,
I
will
turn
it
over
to,
as
you
mentioned,
commissioners,
nicole,
salazar
hall,
commissioner
moises
prospero
and
I
haven't
seen
commissioner
rogelio
romero,
but
if
he
shows
up
I'm
sure
he
will
be
welcome
as
well.
So
commissioners,
if
you'd
like
to
go
ahead
floor,
is
yours.
H
Ryan
thanks
a
lot
I'll
go
ahead
and
get
started
basically
nicole
and
I
was
in
it
and
hopefully
roger,
could
come
and
join
us
he's
part
of
our
youth
subcommittee,
one
of
our
superstars
and
so
hopefully,
he'll
come
in
and
and
correct
us
and,
if
not
I'm
sure,
reverend
davis
will
correct
this
as
well.
H
So
just
to
all
to
know
that
you
know,
there's
been
a
lot
of
reform,
especially
with
the
juvenile
justice
and
salt
lake.
Pd
was
part
of
that.
They
went
through
several
trainings
went
to
mou
and
I'm
assuming
y'all
have
seen
the
report
that
came
out
of
salt
lake
city
pd
on
school
citations.
H
You
know
they
had
around
488
citations
in
the
schools
and
just
last
year,
2019
2020
not
last
year,
but
2019
2020.
It
went
down
to
65.
That's
that's
awesome
with
basically
the
elementary
citations
basically
becoming
extinct
so
from
488
to
65,
that's
great,
and
then
we
we
asked
them
if
they
could
break
them
up
into
race,
ethnicity,
since
that's
kind
of
our
our
area
and
around
the
country.
H
We
see
the
same
issue
that
the
numbers
get
down,
but
the
dis
personality
doesn't
always,
even
though,
with
african-americans
and
pacific
galleries
and
so
forth,
some
of
those
areas
did
disappear
with
the
latino
or
latinx
students
there's
still
some
some
disproportionality.
H
So
but
again
the
numbers
are
so
small,
so
it's
really
great,
but
with
the
hispanic
sea,
for
instance,
you
know
it
was
a
two
for
white
students
versus
20
for
white
non-uh
non-hispanics
for
hispanics
and
non-white
students.
So
there's
still
that
disproportionality.
H
H
You
know
the
memorandum
of
understanding
between
salt
lake
city,
pd
and
the
city
and
the
school
district
will
be
over
this
school
year
and
so
they've
invited
us
to
be
part
of
that
to
to
discuss
some
of
the
areas
where
he
could
contribute
with
for
and
to
address
racial
athletic
disparities,
and
they
also
have
an
oversight
committee,
which
is
brings
together
the
sros
and
and
the
school
administrators
and
and
district
level,
as
well
as
executive
from
police
department,
to
discuss.
H
What's
going
on,
what's
good,
what's
bad,
are
we
sticking
with
our
mru
mou?
Are
we
sticking
with
the
law
and
so
they've
always
also
invited
of
two
of
us
to
be
into
that
committee
as
well?
So
again,
that's
been
really
nice
to
be
able
to
see
that
they
want
to
partner
with
us
willing
to
learn
and
as
well
as
us,
wanting
to
learn
what
they're
doing
as
well
so
positives,
while
at
the
same
time
there's
still
some
racial
disparity,
which
again
I
say
in
the
literature.
We
see
that
all
the
time.
H
One
of
the
other
areas
that
I
was
going
to
present
on
was
the
issue
of
school
or
prison
pipeline,
which
is
where
we
criminalize
regular
adolescent
behavior
and
then
refer
them
to
the
juvenile
justice
system
or
to
the
courts
and
then
from
there,
as
you
get
deeper
into
the
system,
they
eventually
end
up
into
the
adult
system
and
so
we're
trying
to
stop
that
as
much
as
possible
from
the
reduction
of
citations,
it's
expulsions
and
those
types
of
of
sanctions.
H
One
of
the
good
things
to
be
able
to
do
is
to
identify
our
youth
or
students
that
are
at
risk
or
already
participate
in
delinquent
behavior
or
are
in
gang
involved
and
so
great
ways
to
be
able
to
identify
them,
be
able
to
provide
services.
So
some
intense
case
management
to
make
sure
that
they're
addressing
their
criminogenic
needs
their
needs,
that
that
are
related
to
delinquent
behavior
and
then
be
able
to
then
follow
through
and
make
sure
that
they
can
be
successful
in
in
school
as
well.
As
you
know
as
adults.
H
H
H
That's
usually
it's
a
three-year
grant,
but
every
year
they
kind
of
have
to
make
sure
that
you
know
they're
following
their
their
goals
and
objectives
and
then
the
other
one
is
the
cops
grant
a
community
oriented,
policing,
grant
and
that's
a
one
year,
and
then
they
could
renew
it
for
one
more
year.
So
it'll
be
just
two
years,
and
one
year's
already
ran
out
this
this
school
year
as
well.
So
that's
great
they're
able
to
hire
some
folks
get.
H
I
think
they
have
at
least
three,
maybe
even
four
social
workers
they're
still
working
on
maybe
getting
a
couple
of
more.
The
problem
is
at
first
is
that
they
they
were
having
trouble
finding
space
and
part
of
it
is
there's
a
lot
of
movement
in
in
the
psp,
but
also
covid.
H
You
know,
there's
restrictions
being
able
to
be
at
schools
and
so
forth,
but
now
little
by
little,
that
is
opening
up,
and
so
they
will
be
actually
able
to
be
in
the
schools
working
directly
with
the
sros
or
the
school
resource
officers
which
I
just
talked
about
their
reductions
and
citations.
So
that
is
a
great
team
right
there
to
have
it's
kind
of
very
similar
to
like
the
cit
working
in
the
community
with
adults,
but
this
is
actually
with
the
youth
in
the
schools.
H
H
But
when
we're
looking
at
funding,
the
cops
grant
would
not
probably
not
be
able
to
be
moved.
It
is
given
directly
to
the
police
department.
There
may
be
some
issues
also
with
the
state
board
of
vapor
education
plus
the
sro
sergeant,
who
is
also
supervises.
H
The
the
promising
youth
program
was
worried
that
they're,
really
it's
really
early
and
and
they're
not
really
set
up
the
foundation,
hasn't
really
been
set
up
yet,
which
is
true,
I
mean
they
barely
got
their
new
hires
and
so
they
kind
of
wanted
to
work
with
them
longer
and
they
were
able
to
again
find
space
for
them
up
at
the
schools.
So
for
now
we're
saying
you
know
what
yep
that
sounds
great.
Let
them
stay
with
the
pd,
maybe
next
year
or
years
forward.
H
We
could
check
to
see
if
that's
still
the
best
place
for
them
to
be,
or
would
it
be
better
to
to
go
with
the
city?
So,
but
our
recommendation
is
that
they
stay
there.
They
get
space
in
the
schools
working
with
the
sros
sros,
have
offices
at
the
schools
and
oftentimes
there's
other
offices
in
the
elementary
schools
which
be
a
great
place
for
again,
the
social
workers
would
be
able
to
build
relationships
with
those
with
those
youth.
H
Let's
see
what
is
another
one:
oh
equipment,
so
they're
having
trouble
getting
equipment,
laptops
and
all
that
that
issue
has
been
addressed,
but
the
issue
of
funding
does
worry.
Us,
because
again,
this
is
soft
money,
it's
hard
to
run
a
program
and
always
be
looking
in
writing
grants
trying
to
to
bring
in
in
the
money
and
so
that
soft
money
may
disappear,
and
also
you
lose
your
your
your
staff,
but
worse
is
that
what
you
lose
is
the
confidence
of
those
youth
really
believing
that
you're
there
for
them.
H
If
I'm
there,
I'm
the
I'm
their
case
bands,
but
I'm
the
social
worker
and
also-
and
I'm
gone,
hey
you're
just
here
for
the
money
you
left
us.
I
worked
for
decades
with
youth
and
in
mental
health
areas,
and
and
that
is
a
a
huge
deficit
if
that
were
to
happen.
So
our
recommendations
is:
is
that
once
that
funding
to
ensure
that,
once
that
funding
is
over,
that
there
be
some
other
kind
of
funding
to
support
those
staff,
so
it
could
be
a
continuum
of
care
and
that
it
just
does
not
stop.
H
That
would
include
equipment
too,
because
they're
all
they
are
out
there
in
in
the
schools
in
the
communities
that
they
would
need
their
own
laptop
and
and
communication
devices
such
as
cell
phones
and
so
forth.
So
you
could
provide
that
intense
case
management
working
with
the
kids,
but
they
also
work
with
families
as
well,
so
that
that
is
probably
one
of
our
biggest
ones
to
ensure
that
that
program
continues
to
to
go
and
they
have
a
summer
program.
H
It's
really
nice
a
neat
summer
program
where
they're
working
with
a
lot
of
the
the
youth
that
have
been
maybe
delinquent
or
high
risk
and
they've
been
building
these
relationships.
These
youth
have
been
doing
really
well
and
then
in
the
summers
they
don't
want
to
lose
all
that
work,
they've
done
with
them
right.
It's
kind
of
like
reading
right,
you're
reading
the
a
for
nine
months
and
then
the
summer
comes
and
your
reading
goes
right,
crashes,
except
when
it
comes
to
delinquent
behavior.
H
We
definitely
don't
want
them
to
to
go
back
up
into
that
delinquent
area
with
all
this
free
time,
and
then
they
end
up
in
the
system
and
oh
man,
it's
so
hard
to
get
them
back
out.
So
during
the
summer
they
have
a
program
where
they
they
they
have
these
kids.
They
teach
them
a
lot
of
social,
emotional
learning
skills
too.
There's
mentorship.
H
It's
activities,
but
they
also
take
them
out
of
the
city,
take
them
up
to
the
mountains.
You
know
iso
because
I've
never
seen
the
mountains.
What
is
all
that
stuff
up
there
and
that's
a
great
place
where
the
sros,
the
case
manager
and
those
youth
can
really
develop
a
great
relationship
and
again
keep
those
kids
out
of
trouble
right,
keep
them
busy,
keep
them
busy
and
and
academically
too
they
provide
some
academic
services
as
well.
H
Unfortunately,
a
lot
of
these
sros,
you
know,
they're
sent
out
back
to
patrol
there's.
Only
one
or
two
that
are
allowed
to
go
back
in
our
recommendation
is,
is
to
be
able
to
to
send
all
the
sros
with
those
case
managers
in
that
summer
program.
Those
sros
have
been
working
with
these
kids,
the
whole
nine
months,
and
they
are
so
afraid
that
you
know
they're
going
to
lose
these
kids
for
three
months,
and
some
of
those
kids
will
not
go
with
the
sros
or
that
goal
like
nope.
H
I've
developed
a
great
relationship
with
you
know
so,
and
so
and
man
forget
it
so
that
was
that
would
be
one
of
our
recommendations
as
well
as
that
stone
program
that
yesterday
was
continue,
as
well
as
the
case
managers
from
the
promising
youth
program
and
go
up
there
as
a
team
working
together
with
these
youth,
and
I
think
that's
it
on
my
side
right
in
the
corner,
did
I
forget
something.
H
Yes,
it's
a
school
resource
officer.
Basically,
it's
the
police
that
are
in
the
schools,
the
the
formal
name
is
for
those
programs
are
school
based
law
enforcement
programs,
and
so
salt
lake
city
provides
that
program
for
salt
lake
city
school
district.
I
That
leads
perfectly
into
the
other
recommendation
that
we
have
addressing
the
school-to-prison
pipeline.
I
think
commissioner
prospero
outlined
it
perfectly
in
under
previous
administrations,
there
was
a
senior
advisor
on
education,
the
most
recent
person
who
filled
that
role
was
angie
doane
under
the
new
administration.
I
That
role
has
not
been
in
place
in
speaking
with
salt
lake
city
police
department,
this
the
school
district
and
in
our
work
that
we've
done,
we've
determined
that
there
does
need
to
be
some
type
of
city
employee
who
can
act
as
a
liaison
between
these
three
agencies,
the
pd,
the
school
district
and
the
city.
There
is
a
lot
of
information
sharing
that
should
be
going
on.
I
That
is
not
happening,
and
there
are
relationships
that
can
be
built
to
open
those
lines
of
communication
to
ensure
that
that
funding
is
flowing
in
the
right
direction
and
ensuring
that
the
students
of
salt
lake
cities
are
being
served
adequately.
So
our
our
desire
is
to
have
a
full-time
employee
housed
under
the
city.
I
We
in
my
discussions
with
the
school
board.
It
sounded
like
the
the
previous
senior
advisor
in
education.
Maybe
did
not
fulfill
their
needs
and
in
talking
to
pd
that
same
advisor
role,
the
the
job
description
did
not
fulfill
the
the
pd's
needs.
So
we
don't
want
to
go
back
to
just
the
senior
advisor
on
education
because
it
obviously
was
not
not
meeting
the
needs
of
of
what
would
really
help
our
students.
I
So
what
we
do
want
to
do
is
is
create
a
small
working
group
to
define
what
that
fte
would
do
what
their
job
description
would
be.
Ideally,
it
would
be
someone
who
can
freely
talk
with
all
three
agencies
and
help
develop
programming
so
like
with
the
pyp
program.
I
The
oversight
committee
in
the
memorandum
of
understanding
between
the
school
district
and
the
pd
has
not
been
able
to
meet
as
frequently
as
the
current
oversight
supervisor
would
like
that,
like
them
to
meet
because
of
her
time
constraints,
this
fte
could
potentially
fulfill
that
role
hold
meetings
multiple
times
per
year,
not
just
twice
per
year,
but
perhaps
quarterly
or
even
more
even
monthly,
perhaps,
and
help
ensure
those
the
goals
and
the
the
issues
that
are
raised
in
the
oversight
committee
meetings
are
addressed
in
a
timely
manner,
so
for
now
we
we
do
not
want
to
define
it,
but
it
is
very
clear
that
one
is
needed.
I
The
school
to
prison
pipeline
issue
is
very
broad.
It
affects
many
different
agencies
and
it
is
not
enough
for
one
person
to
with
other
duties
to
fulfill,
I
know
currently
westin
clark
is,
is
attempting
to
fulfill
that
role
and
weston
is
incredibly
talented,
he's
a
hard
worker,
but
I
think
he
does
not
have
the
capacity
to
do
what
this
position
really
would
require
of
him
to
do,
and
I
really
don't
want
to
burn
out
weston.
I
I
think
I
think
the
city
needs
needs
weston
to
stay
around
for
a
very
long
time
as
long
as
we
can
keep
him
for
sure
see.
The
other
issue
that
we
we
did
notice
was
that
the
information
sharing
that
should
be
happening
isn't
happening.
What
we
would
like
to
do
is
to
create
a
memorandum
of
understanding
that
outlines
measurable
goals
for
the
sro
program.
There
currently
are
not
measurable
goals.
Memorandum
of
understanding
is
an
excellent
first
start.
We
want
to
add
on
to
it.
I
We
want
to
make
it
more
comprehensive
make
it
so
that
nobody
is
really
caught
in
a
place
where
we
don't
know
if
the
program
is
even
working,
so
these
measurable
goals
will
will
help
determine
if
what
we're
doing
is
is
helping
students
if
it's
harming
students
or
if
it's
just
doing
nothing
our
ultimate
goal.
Obviously
the
overarching
goal
is
to
make
sure
that
students
are
helped,
that
they
have
positive
interactions
with
law
enforcement,
and
we
don't
start
them
on
the
path
of
viewing
law
enforcement
as
a
negative.
I
I
So
what
we
we
would
want
to
do,
and
I'm
not
sure
how
how
we're
going
to
be
able
to
work
this.
And
this
is
something
that
we
would
want
to
sit
down
with
with
some
of
the
city
attorneys
and
maybe
an
education
specialist.
Someone
who
specializes
in
education
law-
and
I
will
say
I
do
not
specialize
in
education
law-
I
just
know
ferpa-
is
there
and
it
protects
student
records
and
and
that's
the
extent
of
it
similar
to
hipaa.
I
But
we
would
want
to
figure
out
a
way
to
ensure
that
the
the
pd
and
the
school
district
are
able
to
share
information,
and
even
if
it's
not
sharing
specific
names,
specific
identifying
information,
but
something
to
ensure
that
when
pd
is
having
an
encounter
with
a
student,
positive
or
negative
at
a
school
that
it's
documented
recorded
and
it's
shared
across
all
three
agencies,
so
that
we
can
make
sure
these
goals
are
measured.
I
Representative
sandra
hollands
presented
a
bill
at
this
last
legislative
session
that
would
have
required
such
information
sharing
and
would
have
required
such
measurable
goals
in
memorandums
of
memoranda
of
understanding
between
school
boards
and
various
agencies.
And,
of
course,
those
specific
provisions
were
not
passed,
but
I
think
they
they
do
hold
merit
and
I
think
they
would
greatly
benefit
the
city
and
that's
part
of
what
this
fte
would
help
accomplish.
A
Madam
chair,
I
do
have
a
question
but
nicole,
if
you're
not
done
with
the
presentation,
I
can
ask
later.
A
Okay,
so
I
I
love
all
this
information
and,
as
you
guys
were
talking
about
how
the
system
works
and
what
you
eat,
what
what
we
need
and
stuff
like.
I
wonder
if,
when
prospero
was
talking
about
the
case,
management
and
kind
of
losing,
you
know
contact
with
them
at
some
point.
We're
trying
to
prevent
that.
A
If,
if
you
guys
have
talked
about
perhaps
some
some
sort
of
scholarship
that
some
of
these
kids
could
you
know
look
forward
to
if
the
police
department
had
a
scholarship
available
for
when
they
are
out
of
school,
or
I
mean
any
any,
you
know
when
they're
out
of
school
and
they
could
go
to
you
know,
add
other.
You
know
additional
schooling,
later
academics,
but
I
was
wondering
if
that
ever
came
back.
A
You
know
what
in
a
way
so
that
they
they
you
know,
they
stay
doing
the
right
things
that
they're
doing
and
have
something
to
look
forward
to
and
work
towards.
H
Did
you
mean
a
scholarship
as
for
eventually
they
could
use
for
college
or
university?
Is
that
what
you
meant,
or
for
yeah
yeah.
A
H
Oh,
we
have
not
talked
about
that,
and
that
may
be
something
we
could
bring
up,
and
that
would
be
something
maybe
that
position
would
would
assist
in
developing.
H
I
mean
there's
laws
and
then
there's
best
practice,
and
so
just
because
it
isn't
a
law
doesn't
mean
that
we
can't
raise
that
bar,
and
so
that's
what
this
person
could
do.
They
could
raise
that
bar
and
say
you
know
what
this
is,
what
we
want
to
do,
instead,
above
and
beyond
what
the
law
says,
I
think
there
was
another
question.
A
Our
apprenticeship
program
is
an
opportunity
for
this
too,
so
there
you
have
like
a
double
whammy.
I
guess
of
you
know
resources.
Perhaps
we
can.
You
know
we.
We,
as
a
city
can
show
that
we
actually
do
care
and
we
do
want
people
to
succeed
and
give
them
the
resources.
B
J
Yeah
this
position
would
this:
be
that
the
commission's
proposing
would
this
be
just
in
the
mayor's
office
or
in
community
and
neighborhoods?
Where
would
this
position
be
housed.
I
We
were
thinking
it
would
be
housed
in
the
mayor's
office.
It
seemed
to
make
the
most
sense
to
have
this
position
housed
in
the
mayor's
office,
but
we
we
do
want
the
job
description
to
be
tailored
to
what
salt
lake
city
pd
and
the
salt
lake
city
school
district
needs
and
what
the
city
needs
as
well.
I
We
don't
want
to
hamstring
anybody
with
a
job
description
that
we
just
pulled
out
of
a
hat,
but
we
are
we're
open
to
suggestion
too,
if
it's,
if
the
mayor's
office
is
not
going
to
be
the
best
fit,
I
think
we
are
we're
happy
to
look
at
other
alternatives,
but
at
the
moment,
from
the
research
we've
done
and
the
people
we've
spoken
with,
we
for
now,
we
do
believe
it
would
be
best
to
have
it
housed
under
the
mayor's
office.
J
K
Hello,
thank
you,
everybody.
For
your
time
my
name
is
rahelia
romero.
You
know,
I
joined
the
commission
trying
to
help.
You
know
the
local
community
and
one
way
I
think
we
can
really
do
that
is
by
funding
salt
lake
city's
peer
court.
And
if
you
don't
know
what
a
peer
court
is,
it
is
a
restorative
justice
program
aimed
at
keeping
students
out
of
the
school-to-prison
pipeline.
K
So
this
program
is
mainly
meant
for
students
who
commit
misdemeanor
crimes,
so
students
fights
are
caught
with
paraphernalia
or
anything
like
that.
They
could
be
sent
to
our
program,
and
here
in
our
program,
we'd,
like
students,
we
want
students
to
be
able
to
gain
new
skills,
be
held
accountable
for
their
actions
and
promote
community
involvement.
You
know
it's
been
around
for
a
while.
It
started
at
west
high
school.
K
You
know
they
started
at
the
south
lawn
there
at
west
and
it
kind
of
grew
from
there,
and
now
we
hold
it
at
the
matheson
courthouse.
You
know
this
program
has
been
really
great
for
many
students.
It
gives
them
an
opportunity
to
kind
of
safely
refresh
reflect
on
their
actions
and
gain
some
new
skills.
One
of
the
one
of
the
best
things
about
it
is
that
it's
kind
of
like
student-led
students
are
the
people
who
are
the
panelists,
the
court,
the
judge,
the
bailiff
and
everything.
K
So
they
have
a
better
understanding
and
a
better
sense
of
connectivity
with
one
another.
They
also
get
to
see
kind
of
how
other
students
live
and
kind
of
different
views
of
life.
You
know
we
want.
You
know
it's
a
great
program
and
I
really
believe
in
it
and
it's
it's
great.
You
know
you
know.
We
we've
had
some
kind
of
issues
this
last
year
with
some
with
recommendations,
and
over
the
past
couple
years
we've
had
some
issues
with
like
getting
technology,
getting
the
right
training
for
the
students
and
getting
proper
staffing
for
us.
K
You
know
like
many
of
the
other
programs.
We
have
soft
money,
it's
nothing!
That's
consistent!
We
always
are
consistently
applying
for
grants.
That
kind
of
we
either
get
or
disappear,
and
it
leaves
us
holes
to
kind
of
fill
in.
So
if
the
council
could
provide
money
for
this
program,
you
know
it's
been.
K
It's
been
great.
You
know.
I
really,
I
really
believe
in
this
program.
I
think
it's
amazing
and
if
we
just
could
get
some
more
money
and
some
more
funding,
I
think
we
could
do
a
much
better
job
and
I
really
want
to
see
this
program
grow
and
I
want
I
want,
I
hope,
for
the
best
for
the
program.
I've
seen.
Students
really
enjoy
the
program.
I
see
them
learn
so
much.
K
One
of
the
main
things
we
do
is
the
summer
camp
retreats
we
go
out
to
the
mountains
and
we
train
them
about
restorative
justice
and
learn
about
law
and
education
and
things
like
that
and
the
school-to-prison
pipeline
and
what
effects
it
has
on
communities.
You
know
and
a
lot
of
students
really
enjoy
that,
but
we
haven't
been
able
to
do
that
well
last
year
because
of
covid
and
the
years
before
that,
because
we
couldn't
afford
it,
you
know,
there's
also
just
other
resources.
We
want
to
be
able
to
provide
for
these
students.
K
A
lot
of
them
need
therapists.
A
lot
of
them
needs
rights
to
the
courthouse
they
need
well,
they
need,
they
just
need
help,
and
if
we
can
provide
that
for
them
we
would
be
able
to
greatly
assist
them.
Even
more,
you
know,
this
program
is
meant
to
meant
to
keep
students
out
of
the
pipeline
to
schools,
prison
pipeline
and
it's
you
know
it's,
oh
sorry,
a
little
nervous,
but
where
was
I?
But
yes,
I
think
it's
a
great
great
program.
You
know
we
really
want
to
focus
on
our
three
pillars.
K
K
Skill
development,
like
we
said
we
want
the
kids
to
be
able
to
have
the
abilities
to
learn,
join
clubs
and
many
of
those
barriers
are
financial
where
students
want
to
be
able
to,
like,
let's
say,
do
a
spy,
hop
class
or
join
a
football
league.
You
know
we
want
to
be
able
to
provide
students
without
you
know,
we
want
them
to
be
able
to
gain
skills
and
whatever
they
want
to
be
achieving
in
their
life.
You
know,
and
we
also
want
to
hold
them
accountable.
You
know
many
times
in
the
criminal
justice
system.
K
It
is
completely
punitive
where
students
walk
in
front
of
the
judge
and
the
judge
gives
them
their
sentence,
and
that's
it.
There's
no
reflection,
there's
no
there's
nothing
beyond
that
and
it
feels
like
they're
just
being
pushed
long
and
shoved
on
continuously.
You
know,
as
is
with
the
pipeline,
and
so
we
just
hope
that
you
guys
could
add
some
funding
to
our
program
and
help
us
grow
and
help
keep
the
community
safe.
H
I
want
to
make
sure
you
all
know
that
rogelio
is
a
volunteer
for
the
salt
lake
peer
court,
so
he's
not
asking
money
for
his
own
pocket
he's
asking
money
for
the
program
itself,
so
he
can
help
others.
He
himself
works
at
an
after
school
program
at
a
middle
school.
Anybody
that's
worked
in
middle
school
knows
how
hard
that
can
be
so,
and
I
was
also
part
of
the
evaluation
team
working
with
the
university
of
utah
and
and
found
that
it
was
an
effective
program.
H
It
does
keep
kids
out
of
the
system,
and
so
we
are
now
right
now
in
the
in
the
process
of
doing
a
qualitative
study
of
them
to
see
how
great
those
volunteers
are
great
volunteers,
just
like
roger
right
there
that
you
can
see
how
good
he
is.
Definitely
something
we
want
to
expand
and
continue
great
job.
Rogelio.
B
Thank
you,
rogelio
thank
you,
maui
and
I
I
imagine
many
of
us
that
were
in
law
school
participated.
I
know
I
volunteered
a
little
bit
with
the
peer
court
when
I
was
in
law
school
and
it
is
an
amazing
program.
So
thank
you
for
joining
us
rogelio
and
for
being
a
part
of
the
for
being
a
part
of
the
commission
council
members.
Do
you
have
any
other
questions
for
our
commissioners,
andrew
and
then
dan?
Was
that
a
hand,
okay,
andrew
and
then
dan.
D
Thanks,
madam
chair,
I
thanks
for
the
recommendations.
I
have
a
question
about
the
metrics
for
school
resource
officers,
talk
about
the
number
of
citations
and
the
proportional
racial
disparity
that
doesn't
it
doesn't
change
it
sort
of
decreases,
but
this
proportion
is
the
same.
It
looks
like.
Is
that
one
of
the
metrics
we're
thinking
of?
Do
you
have
a
list
of
metrics
in
your
head
already
from
the
research
that
you're
thinking
of
behind
this,
or
is
that
something
that's
a
blank
slate
that
protects?
Eventually,
a
new
position
would
look
at.
B
Can
I
can
address
that
we're
we
have
the
opportunity
with
the
current
oversight
committee
when
we
met
with
them.
We
have
the
opportunity
to
look
at
the
current
program
goals
and
help
them
to
develop
some
criteria
with
which
to
measure
the
success
of
the
program,
and
on
top
of
that,
we've
also
been
developing
a
list
of
other
metrics.
We
might
recommend
in
a
future
mou
so
what
they
can
measure
now
and
what
we
recommend
that
they
measure
in
the
future
and
council
member.
G
We
because
some
of
the
data,
like
we've
the
commissioner
falzer
hall,
was
talking
about
some
of
the
data,
is
not
quite
there
for
for
what
we
need
to
see.
So
that's,
hence
the
data
recommendations
which
then
I
think
will
get
us
to
the
place
where
we
can
measure
the
program
a
bit
more
effectively,
which
is
some
of
the
things
that
we've
run
up
against.
So,
yes,
we
are
in
the
process
of
developing
those
for
the
current
mou
and
we
kind
of
have
a
little
extra.
I
H
There's
a
director
and
then.
H
They
are
running
around
like
crazy
because
they
have
adult
peer
mentors,
adult
mentors
and
they
have
peer
mentors.
So
the
adult
ones
are
using
university
like
was
mentioned
earlier,
and
they
got
kids
that
have
gone
through.
The
program
are
now
part
of
the
panelists
they're,
the
ones
doing
the
mentorship
now
too,
as
well,
and
so
somebody
has
to
care
for
those
and
then
there's
the
actual
panelists.
I
mean
the
participants
themselves,
those
who
have
been
referred,
so
it
could
be
where
it
could
make
at
least
two
full-time.
H
It
would
be
ideal
to
have
three
full-time
to
assist
in
that.
G
I'm
I'm
wondering
if
I
can
say
something
it
looks
like
the
mayor
may
wish
to
say
something
first,
so
I
would
defer
to
her.
C
Oh
thanks
alison,
madam
chair,
I
was
just
going
to
say
that
our
team
will
look
into
the
funding
and
the
capacity
to
to
grow
that
program
and
be
happy
to
bring
that
back
to
you
too.
G
And
just
in
terms
of
a
broader
clarification,
the
commissioners
have
not
been
asked
to
provide
specific
budget
recommendations.
We
think
it's
a
little
beyond
their
at
this
scope
of
the
work
they
have
their
hands
full
with
all
of
the
all
of
the
ideas
they're
working
with
and
all
of
the
recommendations.
G
H
And
one
thing
I
I
don't
think
we
may
have
not
clarified
well
enough-
that
we
would
like
for
the
promising
youth
project
to
work
with
the
peer
court,
so
they
could
so
like
that
they
couldn't
the
they
could
say.
You
know
what
the
proxy
youth
court
may
have
a
case
management
plan
say:
oh,
this
would
be
perfect
for
peer
court.
This
kit
isn't
as
far
but
there's
a
lot
of
risk
factors
and
peer
court
would
be
able
to
support
them
and
keep
them
out
of
the
system.
So
I.
H
We
had
discussed
that
please.
L
Yes,
thank
you,
chair,
adam's
here,
wonderful
presentation
and
I
really
appreciate
the
recommendations.
I
think
you've
got
a
great
program
here
and
I
think
you're
on
the
right
track
on
the
question
on
the
peer
report.
Is
you
mentioned
west
high
school?
Do
you
have
it
also
at
east
and
highland,
or
do
you
do?
Are
you
expanding
to
the
other
two
high
schools
and
then
the
follow
up
is.
Do
some
of
the
I
don't
want
the
those
who
are
sitting
on
the
peer
court
are
sometimes.
L
Are
they
all
great
nights
of
seniors
and
do
they
rotate
also
and
have
they
been
others
that
have
been
on
the
opposite
end
of
the
receiving
end
of
the
court
so
that
they
get
a
a
feel
for
it?
Could.
D
L
Just
explain
it
more
to
the
general
public.
K
Yes,
so
we
have
a
referred
youth
who
comes
in
and
they're
the
person
who's
like
has
committed
the
misdemeanor,
the
crime,
the
fire,
whatever
they
come
into
the
court
and
then
they
sit
in
front
of
the
panel
and
the
panel
consists
of
students
who
who've
gone
through
the
program
as
a
as
a
violator
of
the
law
or
whatever.
And
then
it's
also
full
of
students
who
haven't
done
anything
or
just
want
to
help,
and
these
positions
are
voluntary.
K
So
and
then
the
students
will
sit
in
a
panel
they'll
discuss
and
then
the
students
on
panel
will
will
have
a
contract
between
the
referred
youth
and
them,
and
you
know,
depending
on
what
the
situation
was,
will
be
dependence
on
what's
on
the
contract.
But
one
of
the
things
that's
required
usually
is
panel
duty
is
where
and
that's
where
the
referred.
Youth
go,
sits
on
the
other
side
with
the
panel
and
they
become
part
of
the
program
and
they
see
kind
of
other
students
views
as
well.
K
So
it's
not
just
them
being
there
and
just
being
judged
as
well,
so
they
they
actually
do
get
to
join
and
they
do
get
to
participate
and
then
for
the
other
question,
is
it
started
at
west
high
school
and
it's
for
the
whole
salt
lake,
salt
lake
city,
school
district?
So
if
your
school
falls
in
the
salt
lake
city
school
district,
oh
and
then
we
expanded
to
murray
last
year
actually
or
two
years
ago.
So
now
we
can
get
students
from
salt,
lake,
city
and
murray.
K
You
know
and
we
hope
to
kind
of
grow
the
program
you
know
as
like
we
said
it's.
I
think
it's
really
important
and
it's
very
vital
and
it
really
does
I
I
see
it
really
does
help
and
it
really
does
build
community
within
the
schools.
L
Thank
you
very
much
that
clarified
a
lot
of
things,
so
I
appreciate
that
very
much.
I
have
one
more
question
about
the
sro
program
during
the
summer
time
you
said
in
the
in
the
report.
You
talked
about
having
just
a
few
sros
that
crossed
the
full
summer.
How
many
sr
roads
do
we
have
and
and
how
many
are,
would
you
be
looking
at
to
go
across
the
whole
summer
or
year
round?
I
should
say.
H
Well,
they're
supposed
to
have
10
sros,
plus
a
supervisor
who
is
a
sergeant
because
of
cover
and
a
lot
of
schools
were
not
on
they
hacked
it,
and
so
five
right
now
are
in
different
departments,
whether
it's
patrol
or
property
crime
or
so
forth,
and
they
have
five
right
now.
But
now
the
schools
are
opening
they're,
hoping
to
get
some
of
them
back
yeah.
H
Usually
our
understanding
is
that
during
the
summer
and-
and
this
is
the
norm
for
for
sro
school-based
law
enforcement
programs
around
the
nation-
is
that
in
summer
most
of
times
they
just
go
back
and
they
fail
some
of
the
needs
of
the
police
department,
but
we're
trying
again
do
best
practice.
You've
built
a
great
relationship
with
the
youth
you
should
follow
through
with
them,
and
so
what
we
would
recommend
is
whatever
amount
of
sros
that
are
working
during
that
school
year
should
be
allowed
to
to
continue
that
work.
H
We
understand,
though,
that
you
know
right
now:
police
departments
are
really
low
in
numbers
and
so
there's
always
a
balancing
act,
but
we
would
recommend
that
whoever's
working
the
sros
that
are
working
during
the
school
year
should
continue
that
relationship
and
work
with
those
youth.
During
that
summer
program.
B
The
recommendations
are
incredibly
helpful
and
really,
I
think
it
sort
of
brings
a
spark
to
my
eye
that
this
is
exactly
what,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
we
wanted
to
do
and
I
think
what
the
mayor's
goal
in
creating
the
commission
is
to
really
have
community-based
input
into
policy
making
from
the
side
of
the
council,
and
you
know,
budget
making,
if
you
will
in
some
ways
from
the
side
of
the
administration
and
these
recommendations
are
really
what
what
we're
looking
at
and
what
we're
hoping
for
and
this
collaborative
work
together.
B
So
thank
you
so
much
for
joining
us.
Thank
you
again
for
the
hard
work
that
you're
doing
now
and
that
you
continue
to
do
and
we
look
forward
to
more
discussions.
So
unless
there's
anything
else,
I
want
to
thank
you
for
your
time
today
and
you
certainly
don't
have
to
stick
around
for
the
rest
of
our
very
our
very
long
council
meeting
you're
welcome
to.
But
you
don't
have
to
thank
you
for
joining
us.
Allison
was
there
something
you
wanted
to
mention.
G
B
Oh,
thank
you
yes
said
they're
referenced
earlier,
but
thank
you
again.
So
thank
you
all
for
being
with
us
today.
H
B
B
Oh
yes,
thank
you
ben!
I
even
like
gave
you
the
thumbs
up
that
I
knew
that
you
had
something
so
before
we
get
to
agenda
item
number
three
then
lenky
from
the
council
staff
has
an
update
on
the
the
police
audit
right.
M
M
B
Perfect,
thank
you
ben
and
with
that
ben
you
can
just
stay
right
there,
because
I
think
you
are
up
next
for
ranked
choice.
Voting
along
with
cindy
lou,
trishman
and
lauren
schaefer,
both
from
the
recorder's
office.
Obviously
cindy
lou
is
our
city
recorder,
so
I
will
turn
it
over
to
ben
unless
there's
something
I'm
missing.
M
M
The
other
two
bills
about
ranked
choice
voting
did
not
pass
in
the
legislative
session.
We
have
also
heard
that
salt
lake
county
clerk,
sherry
swenson,
confirmed
rank
choice.
Voting
will
be
offered
as
an
election
method
to
cities.
This
year
we
also
received
three
cost
estimates
and
the
estimates
are
based
on
the
election
method,
a
hundred
and
nineteen
thousand
dollars
for
a
primary
and
general
election
with
traditional
voting
voting
by
mail.
M
This
is
one
thousand
dollars
more
than
the
traditional
election
method,
and
it's
important
to
note
that
primary
elections
are
typically
eliminated
when
using
ranked
choice,
voting
and
then
the
third
cost
estimate
is
72
000
for
ranked
choice,
voting
without
a
primary.
That
is
only
a
general
election
would
be
held
so
eliminating
the
primary
under
a
ranked
choice.
Voting
election
method
reduces
the
cost
by
47
000.
M
M
M
G
Thank
you
ben
summed
it
up
quite
nicely.
The
only
thing
that
I
would
add
is
the
deadline
for
the
newspaper
publishing
he
mentioned
of
april.
22Nd
is
for
a
publish
in
the
tribune
it
moves
april
27th
if
it's
for
the
deseret
news,
it's
just
due
to
that
weekly
publication,
that
those
deadlines
were
adjusted,
but
I
recognize
that
the
timeline
changes
things
for
everyone,
so
lauren
and
I
are
available
to
answer
any
questions.
I
feel
like
his
summary
was
succinct
and
don't
want
to
add
any
more
that
isn't
of
interest.
J
Yeah,
thank
you.
So
I
know
that
there's
still
some
state
funding
that's
available
for
voter
outreach
and
education
about
this.
Our
is
but
one
of
the
other
concerns
that
that
the
county
clerk
sherry
swanson
talked
about
was
if
the
ballot
was
were
to
be
multiple
pages.
J
Is
there
any
funding
available
for
salt
lake
city
for
that,
or
would
we
as
a
council
need
to
plan
for
the
possibility
that,
if
we
adopt
this,
that
we
need
to
have
extra
money
and
how
much
extra
money
ready
to
do
multiple
pages?
If
that
is
the
case,.
G
J
And
so
do
we
need
to
like
plan
for
that
now?
If
we
want
to
support
and
do
this
and
then
is
there
any,
is
there
any
other
additional
cost
to
doing
a
rate
choice
vote
election
as
opposed
to
a
non-ranked
choice,
vote
election
with
the
county
clerk.
G
So,
as
far
as
whether
or
not
you'd
have
to
come
and
or
whether
or
not
we'd
have
to
come
and
ask
for
more
funds,
I
I
really
don't
know
that
we'd
be
able
to
answer
that
until
we
were
able
to
see
how
many
candidates
were
for
each
position
which,
if
by
ranked
choice,
voting
if
ranked
choice,
voting
is
selected.
Candidate
declaration
moves
to
august,
so
then
we're
into
august
phase
and
and
if
we
needed
more
funds,
we'd
need
to
come
back
to
you,
that's
true,
and
that
that's
the
best
method
that
I
can
think
of.
G
As
far
as
your
second
question
are
there
any
other
costs
associated
with
ranked
choice.
Voting
the
county,
recorder
or
sherry
swenson's
office
has
indicated
that
there's
a
ten
thousand
dollar
fee
to
be
distributed
among
the
cities,
who
select
ranked
choice
voting.
G
F
Currently
in
salt
lake
county,
it's
draper
and
riverton,
but
with
communications
with
other
cities,
it
sounds
like
two
more
may
often
they're,
just
not
sure
yet,
so
we
theoretically
could
be
sharing
it
with
at
least
four
other
cities.
But
right
now
just
two.
J
That
was
my
question
is
what
other
cities
are
there,
but
so,
but
then
I
had
another
question
based
on
what
cindy
said
so
the
the
candidate
declarations
would
you
could
declare
your
candidacy
all
the
way
up
until
august,
and
then
it
would
just
be
the
single
vote
in
november.
Is
that
right.
G
So
in
in
traditional
voting
method,
when
there's
a
primary
right,
your
candidacy
dates
are
declared
in
june
the
first
week
of
june.
If
you
select
to
do
ranked
choice
voting
because
generally,
that
primary
is
eliminated
not
always
like
it's
an
optional
to
hold
a
primary
with
ranked
choice
voting.
But
if
you
eliminate
the
primary
rank
choice
voting
shifts
your
candidacy
declaration
dates
to
august.
G
F
If
I
could
add
something,
campaigns
can
be
opened.
Essentially
anyone
could
start
campaigning
as
of
today,
if
they
open
a
campaign,
finance
account.
So
candidates
would
get
all
of
that
time
until
august
to
campaign
if
we
did
not
hold
the
primary
and
then
in
august
they
just
have
that
week
to
formally
declare
their
candidacy,
but
theoretically,
anyone
at
any
point
from
now
on
could
begin
campaigning
and
raising
and
spending
funds.
J
So
can
you,
oh
sorry,
cindy?
Can
you
think
of
any
reason
why
we
would
want
to
also
to
have
to
do
rain
choice
voting
and
to
do
a
primary?
Does
that
does
that
make
sense
I
mean?
Is
it
one
of
the
or
the
arguments
in
favor
of
rain
choice,
voting
that
you
can
eliminate
the
primary
or
do
you
see
other?
Do
you
see
a
benefit
in
still
having
a
primary.
G
I
I
don't
see
the
benefit
of
having
a
primary.
However,
there
are
some
candidates
who
build
their
campaign
finance
on
the
primary
right
this
it's
traditionally
how
things
have
gone
for
so
long.
It's
really
difficult
to
anticipate
a
whole
new
lens
like
we're
just
putting
on
a
whole
new
pair
of
glasses
right
of
how
this
would
work.
G
But
I
I
struggle
with
the
adoption
of
ranked
choice
voting,
including
a
primary,
because
I
don't
see
the
fiscal
benefit
and
I
also
see
that
the
candidate
declaration
period
stays
the
same
in
june.
So
there's,
although
you're
ranking
in
the
primary,
I
guess
that's
the
benefit
is
you're
ranking
in
a
primary,
so
you
get
familiar
with
how
to
do
it
and
then
you
get
to
rank
in
the
general.
B
Thank
you
cindy
lou.
I
see
a
couple
of
their
hands
up,
but
I
was
informed
that
perhaps
mayor
mendenhall
had
her
hand
raised.
B
Sure,
if
you
did
have
something
that
we
were
not
skipping
over
you
with
that
darren
and
then
andrew
those
were
the
hands
I
saw
in
that
order.
N
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I
guess
my
question
was,
I
see
it
makes
sense
that
the
fiscal
impact
to
the
city
would
be
lower
without
the
primary.
Do
we
have
data
about
the
about
candidate
spending
with
or
without
a
primary,
because
in
one
hand
I
could
see
candidates
that
are
eliminated
during
your
primary
would
stop
spending
as
opposed
to
everyone
spending
up
until
november,
but
another
hand,
another
case
you're,
just
extending
the
election
season,
rather
than
shortening
it
do
we
is
there
data
available
for
that,
or
would
it
just
be
all
guesses.
G
So
lauren
looked
up
some
information
yesterday
and
we
also
spoke
with
individuals
from
ranked
choice,
voting
utah
to
see
if
they
had
data
just
outside
of
the
state
that
has
practiced
ranked
choice.
Voting.
We
don't
have
that
hard
information
just
yet
like
those
specific
numbers,
but
it
is
something
we're
looking
into
bringing
back
to
you.
I
think
lauren
can
speak
best
to
the
campaign
finance
piece,
because
that's
the
difficulty
with
finding
the
number
so
I'm
gonna
defer
to
lauren
now.
F
Yeah
I
yesterday
I
went
through
payson
and
vineyard
because
they're
the
two
who
did
it
in
2019's
campaign
finance
just
like
the
final
disclosure
and
it
looks
like
their
candidates
roughly
spent
about
a
thousand
dollars
total
and
looking
at
two
cities
within
salt
lake
county
the
same
year
who
did
not
do
rank
choice.
Voting
I
looked
at
bluffdale
and
harriman
and
most
of
those
candidates
spent
around
five
to
six
thousand
on
average.
So
the
difference
in
their
spending
is
a
lot
more
for
candidates
who
do
not
do
rank
choice.
F
Voting
candidates
that
do
rank
choice
voting
tend
to
spend
less.
Just
on.
Like
a
preliminary
glance,
I
contacted
the
lieutenant
governor's
office
to
see
if
they
had
any
data
on
it,
but
it
looks
like
they
haven't
been
collecting
any
data
on
that.
So
it's
just
what
I
can
pull
from
campaign
finance
reports
from
other
cities,
but
just
at
a
glance
it
looks
like
ranked
choice.
Voting
candidates
spend
less
than
regular.
N
That's
great
man,
I'm
sure.
If
I
might
I
just
don't,
I
was
I'm
not
sure.
I
entirely
understand
what
a
ranked
choice
voting
election
with
the
primary
looks
like
do.
We
you
take
the
whole
field,
narrow
it
down
to
three
and
rank
them
then,
or
what?
What
is?
How
does
that
work,
or
would
you
narrow
it
down
to
two
and
just
do
a
traditional
general
election.
G
A
great
question:
the
way
that
the
primary
works
is,
I
believe
you
rank
and
go
from
to
the
top
two.
So
then
you
go
from
the
top
two
into
the
general
to
rank
those
top
two,
that's
why
the
primary
is
like
this
debatable
space
of
whether
or
not
it
actually
like
implements
the
intention
of
rank
choice,
voting,
which
is
to
essentially
provide
people
the
opportunity
to
choose
whose
first,
second,
third,
fourth
or
fifth,
even
you
know,
instead
of
just
being
drawn
to
two
candidates
alone,.
B
D
Thanks
ma'am
cheers.
Excuse
me
one
question
cindy:
is
there
anything
in
our
current
statute
if
we
were
changed
to
a
I'll,
say
my
voice,
a
ranked
choice,
voting
without
a
primary
that
would
impact
candidates
for
election
this
year,
who
have
already
declared
or
set
up
their
campaign
finance.
G
I
couldn't
I
thought-
maybe
I
talked
over-
I
didn't
mean
to
so
because
the
declaration
period
for
a
candidate
is
actually
not
until
june,
whether
we
do
you
know
in
traditional.
So
if
someone's
open
to
campaign
finance
committee,
anyone
can
open
that
anytime
in
this
election
cycle.
So
we
have
some
that
carried
over
from
last
year
or
the
year
before
who
had
an
open
campaign.
G
D
D
It
would
just
give
them
more
time
to
declare
essentially
when
the
declarant
period
is
later
in
the
year
and
madame
chair,
I
would
just
personally
right
now.
I
would
wholeheartedly
support
committing
to
a
ranked
choice
voting
this
year
without
a
primary,
though
I
think
we're
gonna
need
as
much
time
as
possible
to
educate
everybody
to
set
things
up,
and
I
don't
I
don't
see
the
purpose
of
a
primary
effort
to
go
towards
rain
choice.
Voting.
B
I
have
a
question
about.
I
didn't
see
any
hands
up,
so
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
go
that's
okay
with
everyone,
a
question
about
the
education
and
outreach.
One
of
the
things
we
heard
from
sherry
when
she
came
and
spoke
to
the
council
was
really,
I
think
we
heard
this
there.
I've
heard
it
several
times.
B
So
if
it
wasn't
in
the
council
meeting,
I
apologize,
but
just
about
the
amount
of
education
it
took
when
we
went
to
melon
balance-
and
you
know
we
had
such
a
high
voter
turnout
last
year
and
and
I'm
grateful
for
that
high
turn
voter
turnout-
I
I
don't
want
to
diminish
it.
Any
of
that.
I'm
I
right
now.
B
I'm
either
way
with
ranger
rank
choice
voting,
but
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we
have
sufficient
time
for
education
and
really
making
sure
that
people
don't
feel
intimidated
by
a
new
system
when
voting
this
year,
cindy,
lou
or
lauren
do
either
of
you
know
roughly
how
much
time
or
money
went
into
the
public
education
when
we
went
when
we
moved
primarily
to
million
in
balance.
M
It
was
an
internal
inter-departmental
committee
and
there
were
there
were
six
months
of
intensive
outreach
and
we
had
66
000
that
the
council
provided
and
at
pretty
much
every
week.
The
committee
was
talking
and
was
meeting
every
other
week
and
it
was
as
broad
and
inclusive
of
outreach,
as
we
could
think
of
at
the
time.
So
we
sent
a
postcard
to
every
household
in
the
city
about
80,
000
households.
M
We
did
targeted
advertising
on
digital
platforms
from
radio
to
social
media.
We
included
newspapers
both
their
online
as
well
as
their
print
publications.
We
contacted
community
organizations
to
ask
if
they
were
familiar
with
it.
If
we
could
provide
explanations
to
them,
either
in
person
or
provide
materials
that
they
could
distribute
so
community
councils,
religious
groups,
business
associations,
really
anyone
that
would
take
up
the
phone
call
or
answer
our
email.
We
were
happy
to
provide
them
information.
M
We
also
translated
materials
into
spanish.
We
handed
out
promotional
posters,
pins
stickers.
We
tried
to
come
at
it
from
every
angle.
We
could-
and
there
was
a
lot
of
interest
the
school
district
said.
If
we
provided
them
handouts,
they
could
add
it
into
their
regular
information,
packets,
that
students
take
home.
So
that
was
another
way
to
get
parents
and
families
involved.
M
B
F
So,
after
speaking
with
justin
lee
the
director
of
elections,
he
basically
said
they
have
two
hundred
thousand
available
and
what
they're
planning
on
doing
is
once
they
know
how
many
cities
are
going
to
opt
into
the
program
and
they're
going
to
create
their
own
statewide
general
rank
choice,
voting
like
educational
materials
so
that
any
municipality
can
use
them
so
they'll
make
it
sounds
like
videos,
handouts,
brochures
things
that
look
like
that,
that
we
can
then
take
those
files
and
disseminate
them
to
our
own
municipality,
so
they're
going
to
make
a
whole
bunch
of
just
utah
specific
ones,
and
then
every
city
who's
opted
in
gets
free
range
of
all
of
those
materials.
B
We
would
most
likely
still
it-
let's
say
it's
print
material.
Are
they
going
to
print
it
for
us
or
is
it
sort
of
like
here's?
What
we've
created
you
need
to
go
print
it
yourself,
so
we'd
still
need
to
allocate
some
amount
of
money
to
the
public,
outreach
and
education.
For
this
we
would
just
have
access
to.
We
wouldn't
have
to
spend
people
power
in
creating
necessarily
and
creating
the
the
the
documented
cell
for
the
video
itself
unless
we
wanted
something
more
salt,
lake
city
or
salt
lake
county
specific.
F
Yeah
exactly
and
they
I
know
that
some
of
the
stuff
they
created
for
vineyard
and
payson
it'll,
essentially
look
like
that.
It's
coming
from
their
marketing
firm
and
their
marketing
firm's
just
gonna,
try
and
make
it
as
easily
digestible
as
possible
for
voters
so
that
it
applies
to
everybody,
but
yeah
we'd
have
to
print
to
my
understanding.
We'd
have
to
print
it
ourselves.
However,
I
know
that
they
have
the
200
000
available
and
typically
just
for
my
experience
from
working
in
that
office
and
I'm
not
promising
anything.
F
B
J
J
I
think
we've
done
a
lot
of
we've,
let
out
on
a
lot
of
election
reform
issues
before
and
I
don't
necessarily
think
that
vote
by
mail
should
I
don't
think
we
shouldn't
necessarily
use
that
as
a
bellwether,
because
it
was
seven
years
ago
and
I
think
a
lot
more
people
are
on
social
media
now
and
are
we
have
a
lot
more
opportunity
to
connect
and
educate
voters?
J
And
I
think
if
we
make
this
decision,
then
the
the
candidates
themselves
can
be
out
and
educating
voters
when
they're
knocking
doors
and
explaining
and
letting
people
know
that
this
is
coming
up.
But
I
don't
know
I
I.
I
think
that
that
we
should
take
this
step.
J
I
still
think
that
there
might
be
some
value
in
doing
a
primary
just
the
first
year
that
we
do
it
just
to
like
ease
people
into
this
new
system,
but
I
could
be
really
be
persuaded
either
way.
I
think
the
what
I
do
think
we
have
to
do
is
I
do
think
we
should.
We
should
make
this
step,
and
I
think
we
should
we
should
vote
on
it
now,
so
that
we
can
get
started.
J
I
know
that
there's
also
fundraising
or
some
funding
available
from
national
groups
that
could
help
us
with
supplement
the
costs
of
educating
voters
if
we
have
to
adjust
for
the
fact
that
we're
going
to
be
sharing
with
other
cities
from
the
from
the
lg
budget
I
mean,
but
I'm
in
favor
of
it.
D
D
Sorry,
I
just
want
to
point
out
that
districts,
one
three
five
and
seven-
are
up
for
election
this
year.
So
it's
kind
of
hard
for
me
to
say:
let's
move
forward
with
this
when
we
have
chris,
is
up
for
re-election
right
you're
seeking
re-election.
Have
you
said
that
darren
you
have?
Are
you
seeking
re-election
amy?
How
about
you?
D
You
don't
know
yet?
Okay,
great!
Well,
I'm
not
so
I'm
okay!
I
feel
comfortable
voting
on
this,
but
I
really
don't.
I
think
that
it
needs
to
be
done
in
an
off
year
and
specifically,
while
we
educate
the
rest
of
the
city
to
talk
about
it.
I
think
we
discussed
this
while
it
was
up
for
mayoral
election
and
that
we're
going
to
come
back
to
it,
but
that
happened
because
of
covet
and
everything
else
that
happened
last
year.
D
So
I
would
much
prefer
looking
at
this
at
a
point
of
view
and
I'll
vote
on
it
now
saying:
no
we're
not
going
to
do
it,
but
as
the
new
council
comes
on
and
those
new
elected
officials
that
did
it,
the
old
way
can
sell
everybody
on
how
to
do
it.
The
new
way.
So
I
just
don't
feel
comfortable
doing
it
this
time,
as
we
have
three
seats,
possibly
four.
So
that's
just
my
personal
opinion.
L
I'll
just
respectfully
disagree
with
james.
I
I
think
this
is
the
right
time
to
do
it,
and
I
think
we
also
have
a
residents
that
are
able
and
willing
to
take
this
on
and
it's
not
a
very
difficult
process.
L
I
think
we're
trying
to
make
this
a
bigger
problem
than
it
is,
and
I
think
it's
the
right
decision
and
there's
no
need
for
the
primary,
because
I
think
that's
why
we're
doing
the
ranked
choice
voting-
and
this
is
probably
the
best
time
to
do
it.
B
So
ben
procedurally,
what
do
we
need
to
do
to
vote
on
this?
Simply,
I
don't
think
we
can.
It
would
have
to
be
an
emotion
in
a
formal
meeting.
Would
it
not?
We
could
stronghold
it
here,
but
you.
B
So
either
way
we
are.
This
is
on
the
formal
meeting
for
a
vote
on
the
20th
correct
okay,
so
we
don't
need
a
straw
poll
today.
People
can
voice
their
opinions
and
give
a
vote
and
and
their
vote
on
the
20th
great
and
I'm
not
going
to
look
for
a
shuffle.
Any
other
comments
on
ranked
choice,
voting
or
questions
for
our
lovely
panelists.
N
Yeah
I'll
just
state
my
opinions
on,
I
think
it's
the
right
movement
that
we
should
go
this
direction,
but
I
also
do
for
myself
feel
a
little
bit
what
james
is
saying
about.
It
feels
a
little
awkward
for
me
to
make
this
decision,
so
I
would,
I
would
be
okay
with
what
chris
suggested
as
doing
ranked
choice
voting
with
a
primary
as
a
way
to
ease
into
it.
I
would
also
be
okay
with
waiting
until
next
year.
N
However,
I
think
overall,
I'm
supportive
of
it,
and
so
I
think
talking
through
some
of
those
logistics
and
details,
and
if
it
is
ethical
for
us
to
make
the
decision
in
an
election
year
is
I'm
not
convinced
it
is
or
is
not,
but
I'm
I'm
open
to
that
discussion,
but
I
think
overall
and
in
general
we
should
move
this
direction.
N
And
I
tried
to
reach
out
to
my
constituents
to
ask
the
question:
everyone
has
been
supportive
of
it
and
I
haven't
I've
tried
not
to
indicate
my
position
on
that.
For
that
reason,
and
everyone
I've
heard
from
is
supportive
of
it.
So
I
think
yes,
we
need
to
move
that
direction,
but
I
do
have
that
sort
of
question
about
in
an
election
year.
Is
it
the
right
time
so.
G
I
don't
have
an
answer,
but
I'll
say
in
the
past
we
have
asked
about
the
council,
because
in
the
past
the
councils
had
to
vote
on
allocating
funds
for
the
contract
for
the
county
during
the
election
and
council
members
were
running.
We're
cleared
to
vote
on
that.
I
think
it
might
be
worth
the
second
round
with
the
attorney's
office
just
to
double
check
on
this
particular
issue,
just
to
make
sure.
But
in
the
past.
A
J
I
just
one
quick
thing
is
that
I
mean
it's
always
gonna.
It's
always
gonna
impact,
whether
we
make
the
decision
on
an
election
year
or
a
non-election
year,
like
it's
always
going
to
have
an
impact
on
the
next
election,
whether
it's
you
know,
and
so
I
think,
though,
we
have
to
be
wary
of
the
fact
too,
that
you
know
we
get
a
lot
of
input
from
residents
on
municipal
election
years
and
that's
because
that's
when
they
want
us,
that's
when
they're
engaged
and
they're
telling
us
that
they
want
to
make
their
decision.
J
So
I
I
feel
like
we
should.
We
need
to
listen
to
that
and
and
listen
to
the
comments
that
we're
getting
him
that
are
calling
for
it.
Well,
actually
we're
calling
for
it
two
years
ago,
but
are
calling
for
it
again
now
so.
B
But
I
think
to
that
point
into
james's
point.
We
had
planned
on
looking
at
this
after
the
mayoral
race
last
year
or
excuse
me
in
2019
and
then
2020
hit
like
like
an
earthquake
hurricane
pandemic
and
yeah.
B
So
then
every
the
election
is
over
and
and
then
people
are
prepared
for
the
whatever
happens
in
the
upcoming
years.
Just
I
I
mean
I
see
all
the
points
of
it,
so
I
think
it's
good
to
have
these
discussions
and
see
where
we're
at
and
then
vote.
G
B
Go
ahead
darren
and
then
I'm
going
to
have
you
be
I'm
going
to
look
at
the
agenda
time.
Real,
quick!
You
go
ahead
darren,
but
you
might
be.
B
N
M
N
M
B
Okay,
okay,
well
good
discussion.
Thank
you,
cindy
lou
and
lauren
and
ben
for
your
vast
wisdom
on
voting
and
elections,
and
we
will.
This
is
set
for
the
formal
meeting
on
the
20th
so
we'll
take
it
away,
then
that
moves
us
on
to
agenda
item
number
four,
which
is
the
ordinance
of
idling
of
vehicles,
and
I'm
going
to
turn
the
time
over
to
sam
owen
and
debbie.
Lyons
is
also
here
from
sustainability.
I
believe
w
yep
there.
You
are
hi
debbie,
so
go
ahead.
Sam.
M
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
So
the
council
previously
adopted
an
idol
free
ordinance
via
city
code,
12.58
called
idling
of
vehicles.
The
ordinance
enables
the
city
to
assess
a
civil
penalty
against
persons
idling
vehicles
in
ways
that
are
prohibited
by
the
ordinance
after
three
violations.
So
that's
three
warnings
and
then
a
civil
penalty
can
be
assessed
and
that's
for
things
like
idling
a
vehicle
over
a
certain
amount
of
time
under
particular
circumstances.
There
are
also
a
number
of
exceptions
to
those
circumstances,
based
on
like
the
health
and
safety
of
the
occupants
of
the
vehicle.
M
In
other
words,
if
it's
too
cold
outside
and
there's
a
young
occupant
of
the
vehicle,
then
the
ordinance
provides
an
exception
for
idling
under
those
conditions.
So
it's
not
across
the
board
ban
of
idling
vehicles
under
all
circumstances.
There
are
a
number
of
carve
outs
that
are
preserved
in
concept
in
the
ordinance
amendments,
so
in
2019
the
utah
state
legislature
amended
a
law
in
a
way
that
allows
the
city
to
assess
penalties
for
violation
of
the
ordinance.
After
just
one
warning,
rather
than
the
previously
required
three
warnings.
M
So
this
proposed
amendment
would
bring
the
city
code
into
alignment
with
those
changes
in
the
state
law
and
and
then,
like
I
referenced
earlier,
make
a
number
of
other
changes
that
are
functionally
just
cleanup
and
housekeeping
and
the
ordinance.
So
with
that,
madam
chair,
I
would
turn
it
over
to
the
administration
for
questions
and
other
contexts.
G
G
It's
enforced
on
a
complaint
basis
learned
from
public
services
that
they
have
issued
in
the
last
two
years:
17
warnings,
first
warnings
and
no
citations
in
the
last
two
years,
so
it
is
following
the
intent
of
what
the
state
initially
wanted
cities
to
do,
and
that
is
use
it
as
an
educational
piece
to
to
be
able
to
let
let
residents
know
that
idling
is
is
not
good
for
the
environment,
it's
not
good
for
our
health
and
it
is
against
the
law
so
that
I,
with
that,
I
don't
expect
that
this
will
require
any
needed
enforcement
enhancements
or
or
generate
any
increased
or
decreased
revenue
either
way
it's
just
as
sm
mentioned
kind
of
coming,
in
line
with
what
the
state
law
allows
for
and
some
of
those
exemption.
G
With
these
these
ordinances,
since
we
passed
it
in
2012,
I
think
over
nine
cities
have
passed
similar
ordinances.
So
we're
just
coming
into
alignment
with
with
what
is
practiced
across
across
the
valley.
So
with
that
I'll
take
any
questions.
B
D
Thanks,
madam
chair,
I'm
sorry
debbie
just
under
policy
question
one
right:
it
was
about
the
amendments
and
a
provision
that
allowed
for
the
health
and
safety
of
the
driver
passenger
is
that
in
the
amended
statute,
now
you
propose
it's
being
proposed
or
is
that
being
removed.
G
No,
it's
still
in
there
it's
item
b
and
it
allows
for
idling
for
the
health
and
safety
of
the
passenger
or
any
service
animals,
and
that
is
intended
for
those
hot
and
cold
situations,
passengers
in
the
in
the
vehicle
that
need
extra
comfort,
so
that
is
still
in
there.
What
we
did
do
is
we
took
out
the
exact
reference
to
the
temperature
at
the
salt
lake
city
airport.
G
I
think
it
still
is
educational
just
because
there
is
still
one
warning
and
we
we're
not
really
issuing
second
warnings
at
this
point.
Most
people
get
the
message
after
the
first
warning.
B
G
One
more
thing
for
you-
I
I
heard
from
the
hearing
officers
this
morning
about
this,
and
one
thing
that
they
said
to
me
was
that
in
item
b
that
flexibility
for
for
health
and
safety,
there
already
exists
some
language
in
another
section
of
this
code
that
they
refer
to
that
talks
about
imminent
or
irreparable
injury
to
a
person
or
property
that
anybody
can
appeal
based
on
that,
and
they
prefer
that
language
actually
and
they
would
prefer
not
to
have
any
reference
to
health
and
safety
in
the
ordinance
in
this
section
of
the
ordinance.
G
So
I
wanted
to
bring
that
up
to
you
to
see
if
you
wanted
to
discuss
that
any
further.
They
they
said
that
this
reference
to
health
and
safety
is
a
little
bit
more
difficult.
I
think
for
them
to
interpret.
If
somebody
were
to
appeal.
G
B
B
D
I'm
not
sure
man,
I'm
sure,
and
in
my
head
what
I'm
thinking
about
is
folks
who
are
currently
living
out
of
their
vehicles
are
more
likely
to
be
doing
this
on
a
consistent
basis
and
enforcement's
hard
enough.
I
think
on
it,
but
I
think
they'll
probably
be
much
less
likely
to
appeal
regardless
citations.
So
I
I
don't
know
they're
relying
on
appeals
is
probably
a
healthy
way
to
handle
this
ordinance
necessarily.
Yet
that's
just
my
reaction
right
now
and
I
could
be
off
on
that.
D
B
B
So
I'm
comfortable
personally
moving
forward
in
setting
this
for
a
future
vote,
but
I
want
to
make
sure
that
if
council
members
need
some
more
time
to
talk
to
debbie
or
enforcement
officers
or
or
think
the
attorney's
office
and
look
at
the
language,
I'm
happy
to
continue
this
to
a
few
a
further
out
future
agenda.
If
people
council
members
feel
comfortable,
then
I'd
like
to
get
it
on,
I
just
would
like
to
check
it
off
the
list
of
things
that
we
need
to
get
done
and
and
make
sense
getting
done.
B
So
how
do
people
feel
about
moving
forward
with
the
ordinance
I'm
proposing
my
own
strawpoll
moving
forward
and
putting
it
on
a
future
agenda?
Item
formal
agenda
item
for
a
meeting
I'm
seeing
the
majority
of
thumbs
up.
Okay,
sam.
B
B
I
anticipate
we'll
have
hopefully
a
robust
discussion
on
this
and
I
have
had
coffee
and
water,
so
I'm
pulling
an
audible
and
we're
taking
our
tentative
break
right
now
for
about
just
about
10
minutes,
if
that's
cool
with
everyone
and
then
we'll
come
back
and
dive
right
into
cdbg
funding,
sound
good.
B
A
A
A
A
A
B
I
believe
we
are
ready
to
get
started
again
on
item
number
five,
which
is
our
cdbg
grant
and
other
federal
grants
for
fiscal
year,
2021
2022
before
we
get
started
with
the
discussion.
I
just
wanted
to
give
a
little
bit
of
an
update
on
the
timing
this
year,
just
because
it's
a
little
different
than
it
has
been
in
years
past
and
want
to
explain
a
little
bit
of
it
and
if
I
get
it
wrong,
then
I
suspect
jen
bruno
will
correct
me
so
april
6th.
B
It
was
the
soonest
possible
date
for
us
to
schedule
the
public
hearing
based
on
when
the
transmittal
of
the
recommendation
was
received
in
the
council
staff's
office.
So
this
sort
of
put
the
council
at
a
little
bit
of
a
weird
position,
just
timing,
wise.
We
will
be
hearing
from
the
mayor
today
in
our
formal
meeting
regarding
the
recommendations
and
her
thoughts
on
this
recommendation,
even
though
so
typically
for
the
public.
B
Typically,
we
would
hear
from
the
mayor
first
and
then
it
would
go
to
a
briefing
to
the
first
briefing
to
the
council
and
then
we'd
have
some
talks
about
it
and
and
go
from
there.
But
just
the
way
things
sort
of
worked
out,
we
will
be
hearing
from
the
mayors
tonight
at
the
formal
meeting.
As
I
mentioned,
with
the
presentation
and
and
then
I
think
we
have
a
public
hearing
on
it
on
the
20th,
is
that
right,
ben.
M
B
Okay,
so
just
so
everyone
knows
it
is
a
little
bit
sort
of
backwards-ish,
but
it's
just
the
way
things
happen
sometimes,
so
we
are
ready
to
have
our
discussion,
but
just
know
that
we'll
hear
from
the
mayor
tonight
in
the
formal
meeting
about
the
recommendation
and
her
thoughts
on
those
things,
but
we
are
going
to
go
forward
with
our
discussion
today.
B
So
as
mentioned
at
our
last
meeting,
I
was
hoping
that
council
members
could
bring
questions
and
potential
funding
shifts
to
today's
briefing,
because
we
didn't
have
a
ton
of
time
last
meeting
to
really
get
in
the
weeds,
as
we
do
sometimes
with
our
cdbg
and
other
grant
funding,
and
I
wanted
council
members
to
be
able
to
have
an
opportunity
to
digest
what
we
had
received,
ask
questions
and
come
up
with
recommendations
so
that
we
could
have
a
little
bit
more
robust
if
needed,
robust
discussion
today.
B
So
I
think
with
that,
I
will
turn
the
time
over
to
ben
to
add
to
it
and
then
we
I
think
we
may
just
go
to
questions
but
ben.
If
you
have
a
little
bit
of
an
overview
for
us,
we'll
start
there
and
and
see
what
happens.
M
M
This
means,
if
the
council
wants
to
add
funding
to
any
of
the
applications
in
the
public
services
category,
you
have
to
shift
funding
from
another
application
in
the
same
category
every
year.
This
is
one
of
the
most
difficult
and
heart-wrenching
requirements
of
hud,
giving
the
city
these
grants.
So
I
wanted
to
share
that
reminder,
but
that's
all
I
have
madam
chair.
B
Okay,
so
we've
done
this
in
several
different
fashions
in
the
past.
We've
done
line
by
line
we've
done
block
by
block
we've
done
questions
by
questions,
and
so
I,
as
mentioned
before,
I'm
going
to
start
out
with
just
turning
to
some
of
the
council
members.
If
you
have
questions
on
recommendations
or
programs
that
weren't
funded
or
ideas
of
funding,
shifting
or
things
of
that
nature,
I
would
turn
it
over
to
you.
B
B
A
Okay,
so
at
the
housing
opportunities
for
persons
with
aids,
there
was
a
request
for
the
utah
aids
foundation
of
50
000
for
mental
health
services.
A
That
was
not
that
was
not
recommended
for
funding,
neither
from
the
board
nor
the
mayor,
and
I
wanted
to
advocate
for
it
to
be
funded
out
of
the
housing
authority
of
the
county
of
salt
lake
request
and
the
reason
why
is
because
I
feel,
like
mental
health
issues
are
one
of
the
most
prevalent
issues
our
society
is
having
at
the
moment
and
has
so
many
so
many
consequences,
if
not
treated-
and
I
feel
like
especially
this
group
needs
that
support
and-
and
I
would
like
to
propose
that
we
do
fund
them
those
fifty
thousand
dollars
that
they
requested.
B
Did
anyone
want
to
speak
to
that,
so
what
hon
is
proposing
is
taking
50
000
from,
and
if
I
get
this
wrong,
let
me
know,
but
what
I'm
hearing
is
50
000
from
the
housing
authority
of
the
county
of
salt
lake,
which
is
the
tenant-based
rental
assistance
program
that
currently
is
being
recommended
by
the
mayor
at
539.
B
332.,
take
50
000
of
that
and
put
it
towards
the
mental
health
services
from
the
utah
aids
foundation.
Is
that
accurate
yep?
Thank
you?
Is
there
anybody
that
would
want
to
speak
to
that
including
hand
or
can
or
the
mayor.
D
M
And
thank
you,
council,
chair
and
thank
you
council
for
the
time
and
opportunity
and
for
digging
through
this,
and
we
appreciate
the
questions
and
the
comments
just
want
to
point
out
so
that
that
the
mental
health
services
by
the
utah
aids
foundation
is
a
new
application.
So
it's
never
been
it's
new.
It
would
be
newly
funded.
There
is
the
question
too,
though.
The
the
way
the
housing
authority,
which
is
housing,
connect
the
way
they
do
their
tenant-based
rental
assistance
program.
M
It
is
ongoing,
rent
assistance,
and
so
they
have
to
watch
their
funding
really
closely
because
it's
not
necessarily
short-term
rent
assistance
that
they're
doing
they're.
They
have
to
really
kind
of
forecast
out
long
term
for
folks
who
are
usually
at
an
average
stay
of
like
two
to
three
years
in
a
unit
to
make
sure
that
they're
tracking
their
appropriately
and
so
it's.
I
would
just
recommend
that
and
we're
happy
to
do
this-
to
follow
up
with
the
with
housing
connect
to
see
if
they
were
to
receive
a
decrease
of
that
amount.
M
How
that
would
that
would
affect
their
services
and
then,
of
course,
follow
up
with
the
council.
With
that
information.
B
Thank
you
tony
I'm.
I'm
in
support
of
funding
the
mental
health
services
with
the
utah
aids
foundation
as
well,
and
so
it
would
be
interested
in
two
questions
is
one
what
that
decrease.
As
you
mentioned
tony,
what
that
decrease
may
or
may
not
do
with
the
housing
authority
and
two
if
it
were
to
impact
them,
would
this
be
something
that
could
be
supplemented
through
the
through
ara
dollars
or
other
federal
assistance
monies
outside
of
hud.
O
Okay,
just
one
quick
thing
that
sometimes
the
council
members
ask
is
whether
there
are
any
unspent
funds
in
accounts
that
that
that
were
allocated
previously
to
a
to
an
organization
but
they're
not
spent
yet.
I
know
a
lot
of
that
was
probably
recaptured,
but
and
just
in
in
the
interest
of
of
looking
for
funding
for
some
of
the
things
the
council
is
interested
in.
Is
there
how
thorough
were
the
administrative
staff
members
in
scrubbing
and
looking
for
that
money
and
identifying
money
that
could
be
recaptured?
P
P
B
O
A
P
Great,
I
love
technology
when
it
works,
but
when
it
doesn't
okay,
so
in
the
hopwa
program
we
have,
we
have
not
identified
any
additional
funds
that
have
not
been
spent
or
allocated
to
other
programs
or
projects
that
are
available
to
assist
with
this
50
000
ask.
O
So
so
all
of
the
money
that
has
been
appropriated
by
the
council
to
organizations
has
been
spent.
P
In
this
hopwa
grant,
yes,
absolutely
and
so
yeah.
P
Right
right,
everything
you
may
recall
last
year,
maybe
a
year
before
there
was
a
large
amount
that
was
brought
forward,
because
we
did
a
huge
cleanup
effort
to
make
sure
that
we
had
captured
all
of
those
potentially
unspent
dollars
and
and
provided
those
to
the
council
to
to
appropriate
at
that
time.
So
moving
forward,
because
this
is
a
relatively
small
grant.
We
don't
anticipate
a
lot
of
that
being
able
to
happen
going
forward
because
of
that
cleanup
effort.
O
Okay
and
then
are
the
other
programs
that
are
related.
You
know,
there's
a
group
of
things
that
are
discussed
together.
Is
there
anything
in
any
of
the
other
accounts
or
have
they
all
been
entirely
scrubbed
to
to
pull
up
any
extra?
You
did
a
really
good
job
that
one
year
and
now
we're
spoiled.
P
Understandably,
so
you'll
see
in
cdbg
and
I
believe
home
that
there
was
additional
funding
that
was
brought
in,
because
we
have
continued
to
do
cleanup
efforts
to
determine
how
much
funding
do
we
have
from
past
programs
that
did
not
spend
all
of
their
funding
and
so
you'll
see
in
those
I'm
that
there
are
additional
funds.
Above
and
beyond
the
up,
the
grant
allocation.
M
So
just
you
know
if,
if
they
submitted
a
very
similar
application
under
cdbg
public
services
for
mental
health
counseling,
it
could
be
considered
in
that
space
in
that
very
tough
decision
space.
But
then
they
didn't
submit
an
application
in
that
space
and
wouldn't
be
fair
to
consider
them
in
a
different
if
they
didn't
submit
an
application
in
other
funding
sources.
I
just
want
to
point
that
out
in
case
that
comes
out
related
to
this
application,
but
other
applications,
as
we
kind
of
consider
funding.
J
Thank
you.
So
my
question
is
the
same
as
cindy's,
except
for
what
about
the
other
categories
other
than
hotline?
Was
there
any
leftover
funding
in
there?
I
thought
her
question
was
just
about
how
one
I
wanted
to
know
about
the
other
pools.
P
Sure
great
question:
we
have
identified
that
on
the
logs
there's
actually
a
space
at
the
end
where
it
identifies.
P
D
D
They
did
applications
in
public
services
and
esg
and
they're
fairly
similar.
I
mean
a
few
thousand
each
off
on
both
of
those
in
public
services.
The
gail
miller
center
was
funded
for
72
000
and
the
geraldine
and
king
wasn't
funded
for
anything
and
then
est
the
geraldine
king
was
funded
for
30
and
the
miller
was
funded
for
none
and
it
doesn't
quite
sort
of
balance
out.
So
give
me
a
sense
there
about
how
that
worked
between
those
two,
those
four
applications.
D
M
M
They
knew
that
they
were
most
likely
going
to
be
awarded
the
esg
grant
as
well,
and
so
their
concern
was
that
the
miller
would
not
be
getting
anything
because
they
were
kind
of.
You
know
you
kind
of
see
on
the
list
where
it
kind
of
gets
cut
off
at
a
certain
point
where
the
funding
runs
out
once
they
go
down
the
list
of
the
highest
scoring
applicants.
M
So
then
they
made
the
following
decision
to
fund
the
miller
in
the
remaining
amount
which
ended
up
being
about
72
and
then
knowing
that
the
king
would
be
getting
possibly
recommended
for
esg
funds,
and
I
apologize
I'm
kind
of
speaking
in
behalf
of
that
that
board,
but
that's
a
very
quick
summary
of
their
decision
process
which
we've
captured
in
notes
and
of
course,
we
can
always
share
that
with
council.
D
Yeah,
I
was
a
little
confused
based
on
the
excuse
me,
the
combined
admin
cdcip
scores,
which
didn't
necessarily
reflect
the
allocations
and
then
between
the
two.
It
wasn't
sort
of
an
equal
amount
of
given.
Overall,
that's
why
I
was
little
because
it
seemed
like
pretty
similar
applications
from
the
use
of
the
funds
on
both
sides,
and
then
the
score
didn't
seem
to
reflect
for
the
allocations
either.
So
generally
in
here,
the
scoring
reflects
the
allocation
for
the
most
part.
D
I
think
it's
a
clarification
number
one,
madam
chair,
because
we
rely
on
sort
of
the
scoring
to
help
us
understand
that
and
with
similar
similar
applications.
It's
always
hard.
I
get
it,
but
it's
sort
of
it's
hard
to
sort
of
follow.
The
score
doesn't
reflect
the
actual
allocation
of
funds.
To
some
extent,
it
gets
a
little
hairy
to
make
it
as
fair
as
possible
for
us
in
the
public.
So
that
was
my
question
in
there
if
there's
other,
if
there
are
other
mitigating
factors
that
would
factor
into
the
recommendations
here.
D
That
was
really
the
question.
I
guess,
if
there's
notes
or
things
that
would
help
us
understand
it
in
a
more
refined
and
detailed.
M
So,
council
chair,
yes,
we
are
staff.
We
are
happy
to
follow
up
with
the
notes
from
that.
The
cdcip
board
meeting,
where
those
are
captured.
B
B
L
Staying
on
that
same
area,
the
public
services,
I
know
those
are
always
the
most
hot
topics,
and
last
year
we
we
shuffled
a
few
funds,
because
I
see
a
couple
programs
that
really
impact
some
people
that
are
not
getting
funded
this
year
and
I'm
just
looking
at
some
of
the
and
I'm
looking
at
the
big
picture
slides.
This
is
the
the
catholic
community
service,
english
skills,
road
home,
shelter,
the
homeless,
the
in
between,
and
they
all
have
some
specific
needs
and
they're
not
asking
for
a
lot.
But
I
was
looking
at.
L
Are
people
open
to
the
idea
of
trying
to
fund
some
of
those
at
the
the
minimum
level
of
30
000
and
pulling
funds
from
some
of
the
other
programs
to
support
them?
I
really
look
at
the
the
homeless
centers
for
meals,
the
events
depaul's
overflow
shelters
and
they
impact
a
lot
of
people
with
just
a
little
bit
of
our
money
and
how
we
can
provide
some
support
for
them,
but
also
still
continue
to
support
the
other
programs,
and
that
would
be
I'm
looking
at.
L
You
know
if
you
did
all
five
of
those
that'd
be
150,
that
you'd
have
to
find
somewhere
else,
or
maybe
you
you
break
it
down
to
say.
Okay,
we
can't
do
five,
we
can
do
you
know
four
and
take
some
money
from
the
other
programs
above
them
that
didn't
get
funding
and,
of
course
you
know
this
is
kind
of
going
to
the
staff
side
of
the
house.
L
If
they're
looking
for
someone's
salary
or
something
else,
it's
not
easy.
It's
not
just
easily
like
you
can
just
spread
a
peanut
butter
from
one
area
to
the
other
area,
because
that
doesn't
always
work
that
well
with
with
funding,
because
hey
you
need
thirty
thousand
dollars
for
this
program
and
25
isn't
going
to
get
you
or
you
need
40
for
this
program.
35
not
get
to
get
you
there.
So
I'm
just
looking
at
to
open
up
the
ideas
of
possibly
spreading
some
of
the
funding
down
to
those
five
areas.
L
Well,
I
was
looking
at
the
transit
passes.
How
well,
how
well
is
that
program
working
some
of
the
other
ones,
you're
taking
a
few
thousand
dollars
off
the
other
ones,
and
I
don't
have
a
firm
answer
here,
because
I
I
can't
see
if
you
took
10
off
of
one
area.
How
would
that
impact
that
one
area
that
we're
already
funding
you
know
if
you
took
out
money
from
the
advantage
services?
If
you
took
out
10
for
the
dance
churches?
How
much
does
that
impact
that
advantage
services
or
the
peer
support.
L
Or
the
the
domestic
violence,
if
you
took
out
ten
thousand
from
that
domestic
violence,
does
that
drastically
impact
them
and
would
that
impact
be
more
useful
at
being
homeless
with
the
meals
I'm
just
I'm
just
throwing
out
those
questions
here.
M
I
can
work
with
hand
staff
to
identify
each
of
the
public
services
applications
that
are
recommended
for
funding
above
thirty
thousand
dollars
and
return
with
impacts.
If
the
council
were
to
reduce
those
to
the
thirty
thousand
dollar
minimum,
and
I
can
certainly
work
with
council
member
dugan
to
go
through
those
individually
and
see
if
he
has
a
preference
to
prepare
for
the
next
council
discussion.
Instead
of
trying
to
figure
that
out
here
in
the
meeting.
B
L
Oh
yeah
yeah.
I
totally.
I
totally
understand
that
I
was
just
looking
at
some
of
those
things
and
saying:
hey.
Is
there
a
way
to
provide
funding
for
one
or
two
of
these
things
or
all
of
them
without
seriously
impacting
the
ones
that
were
funded.
H
B
D
I
think
it
leads
us
to
some
interesting
policy
discussions
there.
The
other
piece
I
would
think
about
is
the
details,
probably
matter
in
the
notes
that
the
staff
might
have
about
the
impact
you're
talking
about,
and
it
would
dramatically
change
the
nature
of
what
we're
doing
by
lowering
those
amounts
across
the
board
for
everybody.
D
I
think
the
other
piece
is
just
the
scoring
system.
This
is
based
on
the
priorities
we
said
and
if
we're
not
going
to
follow
the
priorities
we
said
as
closely,
I
think
we
need
to
have
that
discussion
about
those
priorities
in
our
one
year.
Five
year
plans.
I
think
that's
that
discussion
sort
of
goes
into
what
we're
talking
about
here,
because
yeah
I
can
look
at
all
these
programs
and
I
I'll
say
I
personally
know
probably
almost
every
one
of
them.
D
So
it's
it's
hard
for
me
to
look
at
those
and
say
no
or
yes,
but
it's
a
big
policy
discussion.
I
think
it
leads
us
down.
L
I'm
sure
I'm
fully
on
board
with
you
andrew
totally
agree
there
and
that
that's
why
I'm
just
saying
if
there's
is
it,
if
there
is
funding
that
we
can
still
get
what
we
need
off
the
one
program,
but
we
can
still
provide
something
for
another
program.
That's
all.
N
N
We've
generally
funded
the
ones
that
scored
the
highest,
but
I
have
no
clue
how
the
score
works
and
it
might
just
be
because
I'm
the
new
guy-
or
maybe
I
just
wasn't
paying
attention,
but
is
it
like,
for
instance,
does
the
scoring
account
for
things
that,
like
like
programs,
that
just
won't
happen?
If
we
don't
fund
it
here
that
don't
have
like
another
source
through
the
state
or
through
blanche,
philanthropy
community
or
something
like
that
is
there?
Is
there
like?
Is
that
included
in
it?
N
Because
I'm
just
wondering,
I
guess
I
would
be
interested
in
knowing
if
some
of
the
things
that
we're
not
funding
are
they're
still
going
to
happen
just
to
a
lesser
degree,
because
they're
funded
elsewhere
or
if
we're.
If
we
don't
fund
it,
they
don't
happen
at
all.
And
if
that's
part
of
the
scoring,
because
I
just
don't
understand
the
how
that
sausage
is
made
and
I'd,
be
interested
in
a
little
more
information.
P
I
am
going
to
try,
but
if
my
computer
freezes
then
tony
is
on
the
hot
seat
to
jump
right
in
and
council
member
mono,
I
I
would
definitely
welcome
and
and
openly
or
welcome
the
opportunity
to
have
a
small
group
discussion.
So
we
can
dive
into
that
more
and
we
certainly
look
at
a
wide
variety
of
things,
both
on
the
the
staff
side.
As
we
look
at
applications
and
then
our
board
looks
at
different
criteria
and
much
of
what
we
look
at
is
is
how
well
is
the
program
performing?
P
Have
they
had
any
issues,
any
audit
issues?
What
is
what
is
their
reliance
upon
federal
funding,
because
we
don't
want
to
fully
fund
anything,
because
we
know
that
these
funds
may
not
be
existing
year
over
year
and
then
we
look
at
how
well
are
they
meeting
the
goals
and
the
outcomes
of
the
consolidated
plan?
How
well
is
it
meeting
the
goals
and
the
outcomes
of
the
the
needs
of
the
community?
So
it's
pretty
robust,
I
think
all
in
all,
there's
about
15
or
so
questions
that
get
asked
and
scored
upon.
P
M
I
would
just
add:
the
scoring
is
private
for
the
board
members,
so
they
score
based
on
their
individual
assessments
and
then
they
kind
of
have
a
meeting
that
reveals
the
combined
scores
and
have
another
discussion
as
a
group
to
determine
if
those
combined
scores
match
what
they
each
expected
or
if
they
think
there
are
missing
factors
that
they
should
take
into
consideration
to
adjust
the
funding
recommendation.
P
There
will
always
be
some
subjectivity
to
it,
but
we've
tried
to
minimize
that
where
we
can.
But
yes,
there
are
some.
M
Right,
we
also
do
a
lot
of
training
with
the
boards
too,
and
provide
them
with
rubrics.
To
basically
say
this
is
what
a
score
means.
If
it
is
meeting
such
and
such
criteria,
you
know
you
know,
try
to
give
them
a
guide
to
and
try
to
break
it
down
as
much
as
possible
to
to
help
provide
them
that
guidance
as
much
as
possible.
B
So
I
have
a
question
on
the
youth
resource
center
security,
remodel
and
upgrades,
and
I
recognize
it
doesn't
fall
under
the
sort
of
transportation
goals.
But
that
does
say
it's
our
neighborhood
improvement.
B
Section
of
the
funding,
and
certainly
upgrading
a
security
system
and
doing
some
remodel
on
the
homeless
youth
resource
center-
that's
down
there
on
what
is
it
fifth,
west
and
sixth
west,
maybe
fourth,
west
and
eighth
south
would
add
to
that
neighborhood
improvement.
B
Is
there
any
way
to
if
not,
if
not
this
time,
to
figure
out
a
way
that
maybe
it
fits
within
our
goals
next
time
to
work
with
them
on
an
application
that
would
fit
within
the
goals,
because
I
do
a
lot
of
volunteer
work
down
there
and
I
can
see
the
need
for
both
for
both
the
remodel
and
a
security
upgrade,
especially
as
we
sort
of
we're
going
to
see
more
people
in
the
area
and
I
think
for
the
safety
of
the
youth
as
well
right.
B
Obviously,
so
I'm
wondering
why
they
didn't
totally
fit
within
our
criteria
of
neighborhood
improvement,
their
application
because
it
says
not
applicable
or
not
eligible.
Sorry.
M
Sure,
council
chair,
I
can
answer
that
so,
unfortunately,
their
requests
don't
actually
align
with
the
consolidated
plan.
So
it's
we
didn't
write
the
consolidated
plan
or
didn't
make
it
into
the
consolidated
plan
for
that
type
of
repairs,
or
even
a
small
business
or
a
non-profit
to
do
those
types
of
repairs.
We
did
make
sure
that
it
gets
in
there
for
transportation
and
again
these
are
cdbg
neighborhood
improvements.
So
and
then
we
have
the
target
map
that
then
covers
transportation
and
the
facade
program.
B
Okay,
I
mean
I
get
it
ish
and
I
know
it's
not
your
fault,
it's
the
federal
government's
fault,
but
with
it
with
making
us
define
a
consolidated
plan
and
then
having
great
projects
that
then
suddenly
don't
fit
within.
This
very
well
thought
out
consolidated
plan
right
because
things
change,
but
maybe
there
will
be
another
opportunity
to
fund
that
that
very
much
needed
improvement
for
the
youth
resource
center.
A
A
question
for
canned
at
the
cdbg
housing
portion
and
there's
two
programs:
one
is
a
small
repair
program
and
then
the
housing,
rehabilitation
and
home
buyer
program.
What's
the
difference
between
the
small
repair
program
and
the
housing
rehab,
since
it
also
has
repairs
associated
with.
P
P
I'm
happy
to
jump
jump
in
if
that's
okay
sure,
so
the
small
repair
program
is
really
looking
at
households
typically
seniors,
those
that
are
disabled,
that
have
repairs
that
are
necessary.
P
That
are
less
than
a
thousand
dollars
many
years
ago,
and
I'm
if
I
freeze,
if
I
freeze
tony's
gonna
jump
in
many
years
ago,
we
had
a
handyman
program
and
they
left
and
and
now
we
have
been
filling
that
gap
of
providing
these
really
small
services
for,
and
it
could
be
things
like:
repairing
a
door
or
fixing
a
leaky
faucet
that
sort
of
thing
so
they're,
very
small
and
they're
grant
in
nature
and
they're.
Just
really
quick
fixes
to
prevent
a
much
larger
problem
down
the
road.
P
Our
a
city,
housing
program
that
is
focused
on
rehabilitation
is
much
larger
in
scale
goes
up
to
usually
forty
to
sixty
thousand
dollars.
We
are
seeing
construction
costs
increase,
so
we
are
seeing
much
larger
projects
lately
and
that
need
need
assistance,
but
those
are
are
generally
much
much
larger
projects.
Does
that
make
sense.
P
They
are
loans,
they
are
low
interest
loans.
They
can
be
incredibly
flexible
in
their
repayment,
so
we
certainly
tailor
it
to
the
homeowner.
A
B
B
Great,
I
was
trying
to
think
if
I
had
any
other
questions,
but
I
don't
have
any
other
questions
at
this
time.
So
I
guess,
if
there's
no
other
questions,
we
can
move
on
to
the
next
agenda
item
thanks.
Everyone
we'll
be
looking
forward
to
another
briefing
and
the
mayor's
remarks
tonight
at
our
formal
meeting
and
a
public
hearing
on
the
this
plan
and
recommendation
and
then
another
briefing
on
the
13th
with
that.
B
Thank
you,
tony
and
jennifer,
and
for
all
your
work
by
the
way
with
that,
we
will
move
on
to
item
number,
seven
we're
skipping
our
tentative
break
since
we
already
took
it
and
we
are
going
to
be
talking
about
the
accessory
dwelling
unit
annual
report.
B
We
have
alice
and
roland
nope,
I
see
nick
turbot.
Is
it
nick
or
allison.
P
Q
So
I
send
a
presentation-
I
guess
someone's
going
to
load
that
and
that'll
make
it
a
lot
easier
for
me
here
and
you
can
go
go
to
the
next
slide.
So
this
is
a
summary
of
the
adu
ordinance
since
adopted
in
2018
and
how
it's
worked,
but
I
wanted
to
quickly
recap
some
of
the
history
of
adu
recent
history
of
adus
in
in
salt
lake.
First
aid.
You
can
see
these
on
the
screen,
so
I'm
not
going
to
go
over
much
of
this.
Q
Q
A
recap
of
what
the
key
issues
were
when
we
were
going
through,
that
four-year
process
owner
occupancy
parking,
the
appearance,
a
general
sense
of
crowding
and
overcrowding
of
neighborhoods
and
privacy
next
slide.
Q
Some
of
you
may
remember
that
we
actually
did
a
forecast
early
in
2018
about
what
we
could
expect
from
the
adu
ordinance
with
the
regulations
as
proposed,
and
we
based
this
on
adu,
the
history
of
adus
and
other
cities
and
what
they
had
seen
when
they
had
similar
regulations
to
what
was
what
is
now
within
our
current
code,
and
so
what
we
predicted
were
basically
we'd
get
about
27
adus
per
year
for
every
30
conditional
use
applications
required
for
an
adu.
Q
So
what
we've
seen
a
total
of
in
2019
and
2020?
The
numbers
are
pretty
much
the
same.
You
can
see.
We
have
24
conditional
use
applications
in
both
years
and
then
nine
or
ten
permitted.
This
amounts
to
basically
0.08
percent
of
a
perc
of
all
single
family
homes
in
salt
lake
city,
so
we
have
roughly
42
000
single-family
homes.
The
pitchers
are
one
that
were
one.
Q
That
was
an
idea
that
was
built
under
the
current
ordinance
and,
at
the
rate,
we're
going
it'll
take
12
plus
years
for
one
percent
of
the
homes
to
have
an
approved
adu,
that's
not
built
on
approved
adu
on
on
their
property.
Next
slide.
Q
Total
built,
so
this
is
not
just
approved
but
actually
constructed
or
in
the
process
of
being
constructed,
so
we
have
a
lot
that
are
under
construction,
21
17
that
are-
and
these
are
has
of
the
end
of
2020
17
that
are
in
the
permit
stage
process
and
then
nine
completed
one
of
those
completed,
as
shown
here.
I
think
one
of
the
important
things
about
the
pictures
of
the
completed
adus
that
are
in
this
presentation
is
many
of
them.
Q
Q
Q
Most
of
these
are,
for
example,
the
the
detached
types
of
things
so
they're,
generally
less
than
the
square
footage
allowed
for
detached,
so
they're
allowed
up
to
50
percent
the
footprint
of
the
home
or
not
to
exceed
750
square
feet,
so
most
of
them
don't
exceed
that,
but
most
of
them
are
really
close
to
being
the
50
of
the
square.
Footage
of
the
footprint
of
the
home
they're
under
the
most
of
them
are
under
the
permitted
height
and,
as
you
can
see
at
least
in
2020.
Q
Most
of
the
adus
are
not
of
second
stories
above
above
the
garage.
Most
of
them
have
one
bedrooms
and
most
of
them
one
of
the
one
of
the
main
changes
between
2019
and
2020
is
that
in
2019,
three
out
of
every
four
adus
had
their
parking
on
site,
and
it's
almost
opposite
that
in
2020,
only
roughly
33
percent
of
them,
30
to
40
percent
of
them,
have
have
the
parking
on
site
next
slide.
Q
As
far
as
location,
you
can
see,
the
biggest
biggest
concentration
of
them
are
in
district
five
centered
around
liberty
park.
Q
I
think
this
was
a
little
bit
of
a
surprise
to
us,
mainly
because
these
are
generally
smaller
lots,
but
people
are
being
fairly
creative
with
where
they're
going,
and
I
think
it's
also
important
to
note
where
adus
are
not
being
applied
for
and
particularly
even
though
you
know
district
there's
different
reasons
in
different
districts,
but
district
3
in
district
6
and
the
eastern
part
of
district
7,
where
there
was
a
lot
of
opposition
to
adus.
When
we
were
going
through
this
process,
the
four-year
process
have
seen
very
few
adus
built.
Q
67
percent
of
the
adus
are
within
what
we've
identified
as
a
a
job
center
or
commercial
district,
so
we're
not
really
looking
at
the
smaller
commercial
districts
like
9th
and
9th
or
15th
and
15th.
These
are
kind
of
the
major
districts.
Most
of
them
are
within
a
10-minute
walk,
which
is
a
good,
a
good
thing.
Next
slide.
Q
Some
of
the
things
that
we've
heard
that
make
it
difficult
to
build
adus
these
are
on
these
first
slider
are
things
that
the
city
doesn't
really
control
but,
like
I
said
earlier,
property
owner
has
to
want
to
build
an
adu
and
most
don't
most.
Property
owners
are
not
at
all
familiar
with
the
construction
process
or
have
even
ever
obtained
a
building
permit
much
less
one
to
build
a
brand
new
structure
that
isn't
something
other
than
a
shed
or
a
garage
construction
costs.
Q
So
I
think
I
think
everybody
has
heard
how
construction
costs
have
increased,
particularly
the
cost
of
materials,
that's
also
impacting
adus
and
then
finding
somebody
to
actually
build.
It
has
also
been
a
challenge.
Next,
the
city
barriers,
really,
I
think,
can
be
broken
down
into
three
different
categories:
there's
the
fees,
so
that
includes
everything
from
the
application
costs
to
the
impact
fees
to
permit
fees
trying
to
trying
to
comply
with
all
of
the
building
and
fire
codes
has
been
challenging.
Q
For
some,
the
fire
code
really
is
an
interesting
one,
because
we
have
so
many
deep
lots
and
and
under
the
fire
code
the
adu
has
to
be
within
150
feet
of
the
street.
Basically
because
that's
where
the
fire
trucks
can
park,
and
many
of
our
lots
are
deeper
than
that,
and
so
people
haven't
been
able
to
or
to
comply,
they
have
to
put
it
closer
to
their
principal
dwelling,
and
so
that's
been
a
deterrent.
Q
There's
not
much
that
we
can
do
about
that.
Since
those
are
adopted
at
the
state
level,
and
then
we
have
the
zoning.
The
zoning
is
something
that
we
fully
control.
Obviously
these
are
some
of
the
most
common
barriers
that
people
have
indicated.
The
conditional
use
process
really
adds
uncertainty,
and
so
people
are
unwilling
to
invest
the
money
in
coming
up
with
plans
and
going
through
that
process
without
knowing
what
the
outcome
will
be.
But
I
I
will
say
that
every
single
conditional
use
for
an
adu
has
been
approved.
Q
In
fact,
when
it
comes
to
conditional
uses,
we
are
on
a
10-year
plus
streak
of
approving
conditional
uses.
So
we've
gone
more
than
300
plus
conditional
uses
approved
in
salt
lake
city
since
our
last
denial
that
one
denial
that
has
occurred
in
the
last
14
years
never
was
actually
established
to
begin
with.
So
we
we
don't
know
when
the
last
conditional
use
that
was
denied
was
in
salt
lake
city.
Q
Some
of
the
building
design
elements
have
been
challenging
to
comply
with
everything
from
windows
to
decks
and
patios
to
stairs
are
all
regulated
and
it
creates
some
some
issues.
Setbacks
are
preventing
existing
structures
from
being
converted,
particularly
adding
second
stories
that
goes
along
with
the
reuse
of
existing
garages.
Next
slide.
J
Nick,
if,
if,
if
all
the
conditional
uses
are
being
granted,
why
does
that
make
it
harder?
Just
because
it
delays
the
time?
Because
they
have
to
wait
for
the
approval
or.
Q
It
so
yeah,
so
one
it
adds
time
and
time
is
cost,
so
they
they
can't.
A
lot
of
people
have
told
us
that
they
haven't
been
able
to
necessarily
depending
on
how
they
plan
to
finance
their
unit.
They
haven't
been,
they
either
haven't
been
willing
or
able
to
secure
that
financing
and
still
go
through
with
that
conditional
use
process.
Q
Most
conditional
uses
right
now
are
anywhere
from
90
to
120
days
for
approval,
so
three
to
four
months,
depending
on
the
the
biggest
factor,
is
whether
or
not
applications
are
complete
and
plans
comply
with
all
of
our
requirements
and
because
they
have
to
produce
plans.
There's
certain
upfront
costs
that
they
don't
know
if
they're
going
to
recoup,
and
so
they
they
tend
to
shy
away
from
from
it.
Q
I
wanted
to
talk
really
quickly
about
state
legislation
that
passed
this
this
last
session
that
deals
with
internal
adus.
So
these
make
these
permitted
uses
in
in
the
city.
We
can't
regulate
that
size
of
an
interior,
and
this
only
applies
to
internal
ads.
We
can't
regulate
the
size
of
an
adu
inside.
We
can't
regulate
the
total
lot
size.
Unless
we
we
could.
Cities
could
potentially
prohibit
adus
on
lots
less
than
six
thousand
square
feet,
and
we
can't
require
street
frontage
next
slide.
Q
So
here's
a
big
list
of
the
things
that
we
can
regulate
so
because
we
have
major
universities
in
our
city.
We
can
limit
them
to.
Q
Q
We
can
require
licensing
and
we
can
prohibit
and
enforce
short-term
rentals
and
eventually
lean
the
property.
I
already
mentioned
the
6
000
square
feet
next
slide,
so
this
will
require
some
code
updates.
This
bill
goes
into
effect
at
two
different
times,
so
the
zoning
provisions
go
into
effect
in
october.
Q
Our
we
want
to
update
the
registration
process,
so
it
it's
to
make
sure
that
it
incorporates
everything
that
the
state
law
allows
us
to
do
so
that
then
we
can
utilize
the
enforcement
enhanced
enforcement
tools
that
that
the
bill
provided
dealing
with
short-term
rentals
and
potential
leaning
of
property.
Q
Next
slide,
we
don't
plan
on
prohibiting
adus
on
some
yeah.
B
N
B
Q
So
what
we
don't
plan
on
doing
is
prohibiting
adus
on
some
percentage
of
the
land
that
the
code
authorizes,
because
that
opens
up
those
equity
issues
that
we
discussed
back
in
2018
about
allowing
them
in
some
geographic
areas
and
prohibiting
them
and
others.
We
don't
plan
on
prohibiting
them
on
lots
under
6000
square
feet,
because
that
would
eliminate
virtually
all
of
the
r1
5000
zoning
district
from
being
able
to
have
an
adu,
and
we
don't
plan
on
changing.
Q
Requirements
as
a
result
of
the
bill
next
slide,
I
wanted
to
quickly
touch
on
a
couple
of
best
practices
which
are
kind
of
loosely
identified
in
that
in
the
annual
report
for
2020,
and
these
best
practices
are
for
from
those
places
that
have
a
longer
history
of
addressing
and
regulating
adus,
and
the
processes
that
they've
gone
to
through
over
time
has
they've
essentially
start
with
a
fairly
restrictive
edu
regulations,
and
they
they
scale
those
back
because
they
realize
that
adus
really
aren't
having
much
impact
and
the
fears
that
people
thought
were
gonna
happen
are
not
happening
happening
to
the
same
degree.
Q
So
quick,
simple
processes
are
always
important
when
it
comes
to
any
kind
of
land
use
development.
If
that
is
if
the
goal
is
to
achieve
certain
desired
development
types
of
development,
the
quicker
and
simpler
those
processes
can
be
the
better
off
and
that
gets
to
the
next
one.
Having
an
easy
to
understand
process.
Q
They
tend
to
be
tucked
behind
the
main
home
and
so
from
a
design
standard
perspective,
they're,
not
really
impacting
public
ways,
which
are
one
of
the
reasons
why
we
have
certain
design
standards
and
the
other
piece
of
it
is
when
the
principal
building
the
single
family
home
is
not
subject
to
the
two
design
standards.
It
makes
it
a
little
problematic
to
have
an
accessory
building
subject
to
different
design
standards
and
then
making
it
easier
to
convert
and
expand
existing
buildings
for
a
to
use.
Q
So
that
there's
a
lot
of
reasons
for
that,
but
oftentimes
it's
pretty.
It's
not
that
challenging
to
convert
a
garage,
particularly
if
it's
unfinished
to
support
an
adu
other
on
top
or
as
in
a
horizontal
edition.
Next
slide.
Q
So
some
of
the
things
that
we've
learned
is
the
you
know.
Some
of
the
things
that
stop
cities
from
implementing
best
practices
include
one
lack
of
political
sport.
Lack
of
community
support
adus
continue
to
be
the
most
controversial
items
that
go
before
the
planning
commission.
So
there's
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
people
who
don't
want
an
adu
near
them
or
next
to
them
the
time
to
process
changes
to
best
practices.
Q
For
example,
we
went
through
a
four
year
process
to
update
our
adu
ordinance
and
that's
a
deterrent
for
many
cities
from
from
changing
their
process
and
then
kind
of
this
desire
to
to
what
I
call
reinventing
the
will
is
not
learning
from
other
places
that
have
already
gone
through
this
and
implementing
their
history
and
what
they've
done
and
repeating
the
same
types
of
of
things
that
that
have
already
occurred
to
prevent
ads
from
happening.
Q
If
it's,
if
adus
are
going
to
be
a
integral
or
a
potential
part
of
the
housing
addressing
housing
needs
and
issues,
then
they
have
to
be
easy
from
right
off
the
bat
or
else
they're
like
we
have
demonstrated
with
the
numbers
that
we're
getting
they're
just
not
going
to
make
a
meaningful
impact.
N
Q
So
the
the
33
and
the
34
are
the
number
that
have
either
been
submitted,
a
conditional
use
for
approval,
or
they
have
submitted
a
building
permit
because
they're
in
a
zone
that
permits
them.
So
just
as
a
reminder
in
if
you're
in
a
zoning
district
that
only
allows
single
family
dwellings,
you
have
to
get
a
conditional
use.
If
you're
in
a
zoning
district
that
allows
duplexes
or
apartments,
you
don't
need
to
get
the
conditional
use,
because
you
can
already
have
two
units.
So.
N
Q
So
the
registering
of
the
adu
happens
in
different
ways,
because,
depending
on
whether
or
not
it's
actually
rented,
which
most
of
them
have
not
actually
been
rented
out,
they're
mostly
for
family
members,
so
it's
harder
for
us
to
track
those
registration
processes
because
there's
no
business
license
required,
and
so
basically
what
would
happen
down.
The
road
is
that
if
we
don't
do
any
sort
of
proactive
look
at
making
sure
that
the
registered
property
owner
still
resides
on
the
property,
it
would
be
a
com
just
like
other
zoning
violations.
Q
It
would
be
a
complaint
based
thing,
somebody
complaints.
We
could
try
to
track
down
where
the
owner
lives.
If
they
live
somewhere
else,
and
then
we
could,
we
could
take
the
the
necessary
enforcement
actions
authorized
under
our
zoning
code.
D
It's
about
atu
construction
and
subsidies,
or
incentive
programs.
As
part
of
the
nine
line
cda,
we
were
required,
as
the
rda
at
least
was
required,
and
I'm
guessing
it's
a
part
of
the
city,
perhaps
too
is
required
to
have
an
adu
incentive
program.
For
that
is
that
something
that's
a
joint
effort
between
the
rda
and
the
city?
Or
do
you
know
anything
about
how
that's
proceeding.
Q
I
don't
know
how
that
is
is
proceeding.
We
haven't
been
involved
in
in
that
aspect
of
it
of
the
of
the
financial
incentive.
D
D
Okay,
I
guess
my
I
really
like
the
recommendations.
Frankly,
council
members
on
this
one,
I
I
think
a
lot
of
the
things
that
are
in
our
current
ordinance,
which
we
approved
a
couple
years
ago,
are
just
unenforceable
and
probably
aren't
contributing
to
a
positive
effect
on
here,
and
so
I,
like
the
recommendations.
Frankly,
I
think
I'd
love
to
see
us
take
this
up
as
part
of
our
housing
assortment
of
housing
bills.
D
The
improvements
the
number
of
set
of
goals
number
one
if
we're
gonna
use
this
for
housing.
What's
the
goal,
the
zoning
barriers
and
then
let's
look
at
yeah.
Let's
look
at
the
barriers
we
set
in
there
to
make
it.
I
don't
want
to
make
it
a
problem
for
neighborhoods,
but
I
don't
think
some
of
the
stuff's
in
there
is
a
problem.
I
think
it's
a
barrier
to
making
that
happen.
So
that's
my
two
cents.
N
N
So
if
you
have
a
700
square
foot
footprint
house,
which
a
lot
of
salt
lake
city
houses
are
800
square
feet,
you
can
only
build
a
300
and
350
square
foot
adu,
which
just
doesn't
make
any
sense
to
me
and
then
the
shorter
than
the
prime
primary
dwelling
restriction
makes
it
impossible
to
build
an
adu
over
a
garage
unless
you
already
have
a
two-story
house.
So
I
don't
understand
how
we
have
zones
that
allow
two-story
houses,
but
just
because
that
particular
lot
doesn't
have
a
two-story
house
on
it.
N
We're
saying
you're,
80
adu
can't
be
that
way.
Those
are
two
specific
ones,
I
think,
are
barriers
that
are
people
look
at
that
and
don't
even
come
to
the
city
to
ask
about
it
because
they
immediately
know
that
they
can't
build
it.
So
I
think
they're
barriers
that
the
city
probably
hasn't
even
identified
because
those
homeowners
look
at
our
ordinance
and
immediately
know
it's
not
possible
and
don't
even
come
to
us
to
talk
about
it.
N
J
I
am,
I
have
a
little
bit
of
concern
about
eliminating
the
conditional
use
just
because
that
was
critical.
I
think
in
helping
a
lot
of
district
3
residents
understand
that
this
there
was
that
extra
oversight
to
ensure
that
that
this
wouldn't
like
fundamentally
change
the
neighborhood
or
concerns
about
undoing
efforts
in
the
past
to
to
protect
the
historic
character
of
the
avenues.
J
J
I
think
that
it's
it's
been
great
to
be
able
to
have
this,
this
political,
this
to
have
a
to
use
citywide,
but
I
do
still
have
some
concerns
along
that
line
and
I'm
happy
to
to
meet
and
talk
more
offline.
But
I
just
want
to
voice
that
concern.
B
A
Know
you
so
following
up
up
on
what
darren
was
saying,
there
is
like
the
people
that
reach
out
to
me
as
an
architect
and
ask
me
about
it.
I
explained
to
them,
I'm
sure,
there's
a
lot
of
people
that
cannot,
you
know,
have
the
funds
to
you
know
to
hire
architects
to
answer
these
questions,
and
I
think
that
raises
a
question
about
equity
and
and
in
our
processes
and
the
accessibility
to
you
know
to
to
understand
exactly
how
to
build
an
eu.
A
Maybe
there's
a
language
barrier.
Maybe
there's
you
know
a
lack
of
expertise
on
you
know
on
wanting
to
build
something
like
this,
but
maybe
and
I'm
not
sure
how
to
solve
it.
I'm
not
sure
if
it's
at
the
planning
division
level,
or
maybe
it's
at
the
building
services
level,
where
we,
if
we're
going
to
make
this
easier,
then
let's
look
at
also
at
some
language
accessibility
and
make
it
easier
for
regular
folk.
A
That
would
like
to
add
an
adu
like
their
house,
that
it's
easier
for
them
to
understand
and
maybe
save
some
money
from
you
know
going
through
an
architect
and
an
inter
and
then
what
chris
said
about
the
avenues
and
the
question
of
views.
I
don't
I
mean
it
seems
like
we
haven't,
had
much
success
overall
on
the
amount
of
adus
built
and
even
even
the
ones
I
have
applied
for
in
atu.
So
are
there
still
lingering
concerns?
A
J
The
concerns
are
that
that,
especially
in
the
lower
avenues
in
the
historic
districts
that
it's
already
so
dense,
you
know
the
blocks
are
a
lot
smaller.
The
houses
are
all
a
lot
closer
together,
and
so
it
so
there's
concerns
about
adding
to
that,
and
I
know
that
there
haven't
been
that
many
additions
to
adus
in
the
avenues,
but
also
a
lot
of
avenues.
J
So
I
think
there's
just
concern
that
you
know
we
want
to
have
a
balance
of
that
where
they're,
where
the
adus
are
available
and
there's
an
option
there.
But
we
don't
want
to
see
the
there's
concerns
about
whether
the
neighborhoods
can
accommodate
the
kind
of
growth
in
adus
that
you
might
see
in
like
district
four
and
five
and
that's
starting
to
impact
either
the
that
just
sort
of
impacting
the
character
of
the
neighborhood.
J
And
so
I
mean
those
are
the
main.
Those
are
the
main
concerns,
but
I
mean,
if
you
look
at
how
how
dense
some
of
these
neighborhoods
are
like.
It
really
is
not
quite
comparable
when
you
talk
about
adding
a
structure
to
a
backyard
in
district
in
the
avenues
versus
adding
to
a
backyard
in
another
area.
The
city
where
the
plots
are
just
by
nature,
bigger.
B
Can
I
add
that
maybe
there
aren't
as
many
adus
in
district
three,
because
property
owners
don't
want
to
build
an
adu
in
district
three?
I
don't
think
it
has
anything
to
do
with
the
ordinance
that
we
already
passed.
We
we
addressed
in
some
ways
these
concerns
by
the
conditions
that
we
put
on
a
when
we
pass
the
ordinance
and
so
at
to
nick
norvis's
point.
B
There's
we're
not
seeing
more
adus
because
it
property
owners
have
to
decide
to
build
an
adu
right.
I
have
a
couple
other
comments,
but
I
saw
james's
hand
so
go
ahead.
James.
M
D
People
own
their
home.
If
they
want
to
build
one,
they
will
decide
to
do
that.
They'll
decide
to
go
out
and
hire
an
architect
and
who's
to
say
darren
and
I'm
gonna
throw
it
right
back
at
your
high
prices,
man,
what
if
they
said,
hey,
actually
I'm
not
building
it,
because
my
architect
is
too
much.
You
know
he's
too
expensive.
D
B
Any
other
comments,
like
other
council
members.
I
just
had
a
couple
of
comments.
I
really
like.
First
off,
I
want
to
say
thank
you
for
putting
together
this
report.
It
was
incredibly
helpful
and
just
like
very
public
friendly,
which
I
appreciate,
and
I
really
appreciate
the
improvements
section
I
think
you
know
I
mean
we
can
definitely
add
amending
the
ordinance
to
future
conversations,
and
maybe
that
will
happen
in
another
four
years.
The
adoption
I'm
just
kidding.
B
I
think
we
could
probably
get
there
sooner
ish,
but
I
do
think
there
might
be
some
policy
questions
here
that
we
could
address
sooner
than
amending
an
ordinance
and
for
me
that
would
be
this
consideration
of
allocating
funds
to
the
pre-approved
construction
plans.
One
of
the
things
that
I
think
nick
brought
up
and
it
sort
of
in
some
ways
goes
to
the
the
banter.
B
The
friendly
banter
between
architects
and
and
the
city
is
that
it
costs
money
for
people
to
for
the
conditional
use
process
to
have
somebody
drop
a
a
plan
and
and
design
it
and
do
all
this
and
then
take
it
and
have
it
approved.
And
if
the
plan
isn't
what
the
approved
is
and
then
go
back
and
redraw
it
and
come
back.
But
if
there
were
already
this
source
of
pre-approved
construction
plans
where
somebody
says
okay,
my
mother-in-law
is
going
to
move
in
and
we
need
to
build
an
adu
and
you
go
to
the
planning.
B
So
I
I
think
that
that
is
a
policy
question
that
we
could
actually
look
at
much
sooner
than
trying
to
amend
this
ordinance
just
given
how
long
it
took
beforehand
and
same
with
the
the
funding
and
adu
construction
program.
I
think
this
improvement,
our
recommendation,
sort
of
goes
to
what
honest
saying
is
that
maybe
people
don't
feel
like
they
have
access,
but
perhaps
there
would
be
a
some
funding
source
or
a
loan
program,
or
something
like
that
that
we
could
start
to
look
at.
B
So
if
somebody
and
a
lot
of
our
larger
lot
sizes
do
tend
to
be,
I
have
a
lot
of
larger
lot
sizes
here
on
the
western
side
of
sugar
house
right,
but
those
are,
I
would
say,
occupied
by
maybe
a
little
bit
lower
socioeconomic
class
at
times
and
so
you'd
be
able
to
help
people
participate
in
that
infill
that
that
we're
talking
talking
about
with
some
of
these
things,
so
those
improvements,
number
four
and
five,
I
think,
are
actually
policy
questions
that
we
could
address
much
sooner
and
have
an
impact
on
than
some
of
these
other
longer-term
ordinance
amendments
that
maybe
we
do
need
to
look
at
but
are
sort
of
a
long-term
thing,
a
couple
of
my
thoughts.
B
So
I
I
mean
I'd
be
interested
in
your
thoughts
on
on
looking
and
we
can
talk
about
this
later.
Looking
at
those
two
items
as
bringing
them
up
in
a
policy,
a
future
policy
discussion
and
bringing
them
up
with
admin
and
kind
of
maybe
looking
at
some
funding
for
those
two
things,
the
the
other
thing,
though
nick
norris
is
the
enforcement.
B
So
I
know
that
you
and
several
members
of
your
team
and
of
zoning
have
been
contacted
by
several
of
my
constituents
in
a
certain
area.
In
my
district,
where
the
there
have
been
adus
built
and
they
are
being
run
as
airbnbs,
and
it
has
been
documented,
pretty
pretty
well
pretty.
Well,
I'm
pretty
sure
you
have.
B
The
google
drive
with
all
of
the
pictures,
and
it
is
in
an
area
that,
according
to
according
to
the
comp
report,
is
a
high
crime
area,
and
so
my
my
neighbors
are
experiencing
short-term
rental
uses
turnover
day
in
and
day
out
of
this
area
and
have
done
quite
a
bit
of
research
to
show
that
this,
the
owner
is
actually
a
development
property
property
development
group
that
own
four
other
adus
throughout.
B
I
believe
salt
lake
city,
and
so
I
think
we
and
it
was
part
of
why
I
brought
up
the
question
of
whether
or
not
we
could
put
a
lien
on
property
if
they're,
not
if
they're,
in
some
way
violating
the
rules
of
this
ordinance,
if
they're,
external,
lady,
user,
internal
adus
and
and
to
be
fair,
I'm
not
sure
if
the
ones
I'm
talking
about
are
external
or
internal.
But
I'm
sure
you
would
have
the
answer
to
that.
And
you
know
what
I'm
talking
about.
B
B
And,
unfortunately
I
think
that
is
what
we're
seeing
and
if
we're
going
to
try
to
lift
some
of
the
restrictions
so
that
we
can
have
adus
with
the
intent
that
we
get
affordable,
housing
or
increased
housing
stock,
then
we
need
to
figure
out
a
way
to
enforce
this
short-term
rental.
The
the
to
the
short-term
rental
issue-
and
I
don't
know
that
I
know
you
probably
don't-
have
all
of
the
answers
nick,
but
I'm
looking
to
you
with
all
of
you
for
all
of
the
answers.
Q
I
I
you're
right,
I
don't
have
all
the
answers,
but
how
we
currently
are
enforcing
them,
so
basically
it
it
has
to,
because
we
can't
you
solely
use
the
act
of
advertising,
a
short-term
rental
as
the
means
for
enforcement.
Q
We
have
to
rely
on
basically
us
testimony
and
evidence
provided
by
neighbors
or
we
have
to
camp
out
and
for
ourselves
and
talk
to
people
who
are
coming
and
going
from
a
short-term
rental
and
get
that
evidence
we
have.
It
is
very
time
consuming
for
sure
and
I'm
sure
that
the
civil
enforcement
group
would
could
provide
way
better
answers
to
this
than
I
can.
But
we
have
had
some
success
and
then
for
in
enforcing
on
some
of
those,
but
it
is
time
consuming.
It
is
challenging.
Q
One
of
the
benefits
of
of
hp
82
is
that
it
refer
at
least
in,
and
it
is
internal
adus
only
that
we
can
do
this,
but
it
does
remove
that
restriction
on
using
on
relying
solely
on
the
advertisement
of
a
short-term
rental
for
enforcement
in
an
adu.
So
we
have
a
lot
more
tools
for
the
internal.
Q
I
think
that
it
would
be.
You
know.
It's
long
term,
I
think
it
would
be
great
if
the
state
could
actually
authorize
that
for
external
adus
as
well,
because
it
is
an
issue-
and
maybe
that's
a
next-
a
next
year-
legislative
thing
that
we
can.
We
can
work
with
people
to
to
address,
but
it
probably
also
comes
with
other
cities
being
able
to
willing
willing
to
lessen
restrictions
right,
and
so
I
think,
moving
forward.
Q
We
have
a
lot
better
tools
than
we
do
now
for
the
internal
adus
and
that
that
the
ability
to
lean
the
property
is
absolutely
huge
because
it
gives
us
a
different
tool
than
just
finding
them,
whatever
twenty
five
dollars
at
a
time
or
whatever
it
is,
and
putting
a
notice
of
non-compliance
on
their
title.
You
know,
because
that
doesn't
really
deter
people
or
encourage
people
to
correct
a
violation,
especially
when
there's
a
financial
incentive
to
pay
that
25
dollar
fine
or
whatever
it
ends
up
being.
B
Bountiful
city
makes
violating
an
ordinance
like
that
a
criminal
offense,
so
we
could
look
at
doing
that.
Darren.
N
Q
You
know,
I'm
I'm
not
completely
sure
about
that,
but
I
would
imagine
that
if
somebody
is
operating
an
internal
adu
without
approval-
and
we
have
an
ordinance
that
addresses
that-
then
we
can
use
those
tools,
so
we
would
give
them
the
opportunity
to
bring
it
into
compliance
and
but
yeah.
I
would
think
that
we
could
still.
We
could
still
make
that
that
case
that
they're
operating
in
adu
as
a
short-term
rental
without
required
approvals.
D
D
We've
talked
this
year
about
all
the
ordinances
we've
wanted
to
see
all
the
growth
kind
of
struggles
we've
had
and
the
things
we
need
to
sort
of
keep
working
and
refining
on,
and
we
don't
have
the.
I
don't
think
we
have
the
capacity
to
do
it
all,
and
so
I
think,
as
a
council,
we
have
to
come
to
some
idea
about
how
much
we're
willing
to
enforce
or
how
much
time
and
effort
putting
into
that
and
the
nature
of
our
ordinances
to
enforce
and
the
conditional
use
process
period.
D
I
don't
want
to
be
reckless
about
this,
but
we're
not
going
to
get
much
farther
than
we
allocate
resources
for
these
things.
So
I
think
there's
some
choices.
We
have
to
make
budgetarily
about
where
we
spend
our
money
and
staff
the
number
of
staff
in
these
departments,
how
much
we're
authorizing
them
asking
to
do
it-
those
kind
of
things
and
then
the
consequences
of
that
as
well.
For,
however,
how
we're
enforcing,
because
if
it's
on
a
on
a
complaint
basis,
that's
going
to
lead
us
to
all
sorts
of
equity
problems.
D
I
think
I
think
we
could
address
that
as
well.
So
I
think
it's
a
deeper
issue.
I'm
not
opposed
to
enforcement.
Obviously
we
need
to
enforce,
but
we
hear
this
discussion
sort
of
frequently
over
the
years
about
lack
of
enforcement
on
all
sorts
of
levels
of
the
city
and
the
ability
to
get
things
done,
because
we
want
to
oversee
everything.
D
B
Contentiously
thanks
andrew
okay.
Thank
you
nick
thank
you
to
the
team
again,
a
great
presentation
and
information
for
us
to
to
view
so.
Thank
you.
B
Sorry,
I'm
opening
up
my
agenda.
I
have
like
four
electronic
devices
going.
We
are
on
agenda
name,
agenda
item
number,
eight,
the
learned
alley
vacation
and
at
the
table
we
have
brian
fulmer
and
planning,
but
I
will
turn
it
over
to
brian
first
hi,
brian.
D
D
Homes
on
learned
avenue,
the
alley
is
approximately
180
feet
long
16
feet
wide
and
is
primarily
used
as
parking
for
the
restaurant
and
the
homes
on
learned
avenue.
The
applicant
owns
all
properties
adjacent
to
the
subject
alley
and,
if
approved
by
the
council,
the
ali
property
would
be
sold
to
the
applicant
at
market
value.
D
D
The
planning
commission
forwarded
a
positive
recommendation
to
the
council
to
vacate
the
alley,
and
now
I
will
turn
it
over
to
aaron
barlow
from
planning
good
afternoon
or
evening
council.
I
think
I
sent
the
presentation
and
it
should
be
coming
up
shortly
here.
It
comes.
D
D
This
can
go
onto
the
next
slide,
so
here's
an
ariel
of
what
it
looks
like
the
blue
properties
are
those
owned
by
the
applicant.
The
red
is
showing
where
the
alley
is
since
brian's
covered.
You
know
most
of
the
technical
details.
I
just
want
to
speak
specifically
about
the
recommendations
from
the
planning
commission.
If
you
go
to
the
last
slide,.
D
B
N
Is
that
legal
for
us
to
do
to
make
a
ali
vacation
contingent
upon
providing
or
affordable
housing
units
within
the
project.
D
That
is
a
question
for
paul.
I'm
not
sure
we
talked
about
it
at
the
planning
commission
and
they
were
concerned
about
it.
But
as
far
as
a
planning
commission
recommendation,
that's
okay
to
do,
but
we
weren't
sure
as
far
as
this
step.
Q
Okay,
so
I
I'm.
M
From
the
attorney's
office,
but
I'm
unable
to
answer
that
specific
legal
question,
I'm
trying
to
get
in
touch
with
paul
right
now
to
see
if
he
might
be
free
to
answer
that
and
if
not
certainly,
that
is
something
that
we
can
answer
and
get
to
council
as
soon
as
possible.
O
O
So
if
you,
I
would
think
that
there
that,
if
you're
going
to
make
that
public
policy
move,
you
can
consider
the
ramifications
of
of
of
that
and
and
that
type
of
a
thing.
So
you
have
entire
discretion
on
this
matter.
O
We'll
see
if
that
extends,
though,
to
to
as
far
as
you
might
want
it
to.
But
that's
where
I'd
start
is
that
this
is
an
entirely
discretionary
act.
B
I
think
mark's
on
the
phone,
so
we'll
give
him
a
chance,
but
any
other
questions
from
council
members.
B
Okay,
I
will
turn
the
time
over
to
the
applicant.
We
generally
give
applicants
five
minutes
to
address
the
council
and
then,
of
course,
if
council
members
have
any
questions
for
you
we'll
open
that
up
afterwards,
but
welcome
jared,
and
I
will
turn
the
time
over
to
you
for
five
minutes.
Thank
you.
R
All
right,
I'm
gonna,
start
off,
and
then
jared
will
finish
it
so
first
off.
Thank
you
all
for
your
time
and
for
meeting
with
us
and
fitting
us
in.
We
know
how
busy
you
are
so
I'll
just
go
through
it
as
quickly
as
possible.
All
of
the
well
actually
can
we
put
up
the
presentation.
Is
that
possible?
So
you
all
can
see
what
we're
talking
about
or
no
well
I'll
start
talking.
If
there's
a
way
to
put
up
the
presentation.
R
That
would
be
great
so,
as
aaron
had
mentioned,
there
is
the
the
alley
there
you
go.
Everything
in
blue
is
the
parcels
that
we
currently
own.
The
alley
is
the
yellow
box,
with
the
red
line
around
it.
Obviously,
that
alley
is
currently
and
has
been
being
used
for
the
last
20
25
years
that
we're
aware
of
by
the
restaurant
and
one
of
the
houses.
R
There
is
parking
strips
actually
painted
onto
the
asphalt
and
has
been
being
used
by
the
restaurant,
and
then
one
of
the
houses
actually
accesses
its
garage
through
on
the
back
of
the
home
through
the
alley
so
other
than
that.
That's
kind
of
the
gist
of
that.
If
you
don't
mind
going
to
the
next
slide,
housing
loss
mitigation,
as
you
as
aaron
had
mentioned
before
I
mean
just
real,
straightforward
one
of
the
houses.
R
The
first
house
on
this
on
this
portion
of
homes
was
brought
to
us
by
a
partner,
a
guy
that
I
knew
he
brought
it
to
the
table
and
kind
of
got
the
ball
rolling.
So
it's
his
home.
He
introduced
me
to
the
neighbors,
and
then
you
know
I
kind
of
took
it
from
there.
The
next
home
that
we
got
was
actually
a
vacant
home.
It
had
no
heating,
no
duct
work
or
hvac,
no
furnace,
so
borderline
condemnable.
R
We
did
put
someone
in
there
temporarily
the
neighbors
talking
to
the
other
families
on
the
street.
They
were
very
concerned
about
the
homelessness
challenge
in
the
area
and
the
specifically
the
houses
to
the
south
that
were
vacant
with
people
breaking
in
and
living
in
those.
So
we
were
trying
to
accommodate
them.
R
So
we
cleaned
up
the
house
to
a
level
to
where
we
could
get
someone
in
there
temporarily
and
they
lived
there
while
they
could
and
then
we,
you
know
when
they
moved
out,
we
provided
them
with
some
money
for
moving
and
you
know
and
they
they
went
on
their
way,
the
other
homes.
We
worked
out
different
arrangements
with
those
occupants,
one
of
them.
R
Ironically,
the
sewer
had
broke
underneath
the
house,
the
sewer
main
two
months
before
the
lease
was
up
that
we
had
worked
out
with
them,
so
we
paid
them
additional
funds
to
move
out
a
little
bit
earlier.
It
wasn't
worth
the
time
and
the
cost
to
by
the
time
we
would
have
got
a
contractor
in
there
to
fix
it.
Had
that
completed,
they
would
have
been
moving
out
anyways,
so
so
yeah
we
worked
with
each
of
the
each
of
the
homeowners
and
occupants.
R
In
that
way,
we
on
average
probably
paid
each
one-
thirty
thousand
dollars
about
thirty
thousand
dollars
on
average
to
move
out
you
know
to
cover,
and
that
was
to
cover
moving
expenses,
deposits
on
new
homes,
and
you
know
a
little
extra
for
their
time
and
for
the
hassle.
You
know,
that's
the
pretty
basic
straightforward.
You
know
how
that
was
done.
One
of
the
houses,
the
individual
did,
have
a
home.
R
They
were
interested
in,
so
we
offered
to
track
that
down
and
try
to
try
to
help
them
purchase
that
it
was
owned
by
this.
It
ended
up
being
owned
by
the
city.
The
city
wasn't
interested
in
selling
it.
So
you
know
we
went
back
to
him
and
informed
him
of
that.
He
didn't
require
or
want
any
help,
finding
anything
else
once
that
specific
property
wasn't
available.
R
So
that
was
the
the
extent
of
the
help
that
we
provided
with
that
so
yeah,
that's
the
that's
how
we
helped
each
of
the
each
of
the
occupants
of
the
homes
and
if
you
go
to
the
next
slide,
jared
can
take
it
from
there.
D
So
my
name
is
jared
hall,
I'm
the
architect
on
the
project.
So
some
of
the
benefits
to
the
city
of
vacating,
the
sally
is
like
you're
trading.
What
is
essentially
a
liability
to
the
city
of
this
piece
of
property
to
property
that
will
then
generate
income,
tax
or
property
tax
revenue
for
the
city.
Currently,
the
alley
as
it
exists
has
no
overarching
benefit
to
the
city
it
ends.
It
does
not
continue
to
the
west.
It
just
is
a
little
short
dead-end
alley
and,
as
has
been
mentioned,
has
not
had
use
lately.
D
The
buildings
around
it
that
we
are
proposing
are
being
built
as
per
right
in
the
tsa
zone,
so
not
being
able
to
build
in
the
alley
would
create
a
small
dead
end
corridor
which
we
are
concerned
would
become
a
magnet
for
crime
in
this
area
and
if
you
go
to
the
next
side,
really
quick,
so
this
is
just
kind
of
a
site
plan
of
what
we're
proposing
having
one
building
that
extends
from
north
temple
down
to
learned
avenue.
D
B
B
Q
His
name
pop
up
paul,
can
you
I'm
I'm
here
and
I
apologize
I
hadn't
been
in
the
meeting.
Yet,
if
you
could,
I
understand
the
question
relates
to
conditioning
the
vacation
upon
demolition.
Is
that
correct.
Q
Yes,
we
can
it's,
it's
just
all
about
the
mechanism
of
how.
D
B
D
This
is
a
pretty
big
policy
discussion.
I
think,
because
do
you
have
any
precedent
and
how
do
you
do
proportional
sort
of
this
alley
equates
to
this
much
affordable
housing
kind
of
thing?
Is
there
anything
currently
that
you
thought
we'd
go
off
of
to
talk
about
that,
or
is
this
just
brand
new
we're
gonna
spit?
While
you
think.
N
Before
nor,
in
my
time,
dealing
with
allies.
D
Have
I
seen
that
we've
actually
done
this?
I
believe
that
there's
been
conditions
on
alley
vacations
in
the
past
on
you
know
certain.
Q
D
Well,
madam
chair,
let's
jump
in
I
I've
met
with
riley
quite
a
bit
on
north
temple
for
a
number
of
things
and
I'm
supportive
of
the
vacation,
and
you
know
I'm
supportive
of
more
affordable
housing
period.
D
I'm
wondering
how
much
time
and
energy
would
take
us
to
find
a
mechanism,
I'm
a
little
hesitant
about
doing
a
precedent.
Setting
thing
here.
Unless
we
have
some
good
rationale,
we
could
transfer
forward
a
bit,
I'm
just
not
sure
if
we
got
who
has
the
bandwidth
of
the
ability
to
figure
this
out.
O
Yeah,
I
think
I
mean
it.
It
is
yes,
you
haven't
specifically
done
this
before,
but
it's
very
common
for
you
to
to
make
a
requirement
when
you
are
doing
something
that
is
discretionary,
especially
something
that's
directly
tied
to
the
public
interest.
So
I
I
think
we
could
figure
it
out
with
the
attorney's
office
if
you
didn't
want
to
do
it
now.
In
this
case,
you
could.
O
Ask
that
it
be
included
in
the
mitigation
study
to
create
a
mechanism
to
allow
for
things
like
this.
I
think
they
might
be
able
to
fit
it
in
there,
but
I
I
wouldn't
want
to
stand
in
your
way
of
doing
it
in
this
case,
because
it
you,
you
clearly
have
the
authority.
N
My
question
was,
I
think
the
applicant
wasn't
able
to
finish
their
presentation,
but
are
they
already
planning
to
or
have
any
interest
in,
providing
affordable
housing,
or
is
that
a
hard?
No
for
them.
R
I
I
I
can
address
that
the
to
be
completely
honest,
I'm
completely
new
to
that
topic
and
that
going
down
that
route
I've
reached
out
to
the
rda,
email
and
phone
calls
I've
left
several
voicemails.
I
I
haven't
had
anyone
contact
me
back
yet,
and
I'm
sure
they're
just
overwhelmed
and
busy.
Just
like
everybody
is.
R
I
would
love
to
chat
with
someone
to
discuss
that,
especially
on
future
projects.
I
have
been
meeting
with
andrew
several
months
and
understand
the
needs
and
the
concerns
of
the
neighbors
in
the
in
the
city
on
this
particular
project.
We're
far
enough,
along
with
everything
regarding
you
know,
our
financing,
our
capital
partners,
the
structure
of
everything
that
it
isn't
know
for
us
on
this
project,
whether
we
did
one
big
building
or
whether
we
broke
it
into
two
either
way.
R
D
Madam
chairman,
I'm
also
with
andrew
I'm
comfortable
moving
forward
with
this
project.
As
is,
I
don't
want
to
see
it
bifurcated.
I
think
I'd
rather
see
this
project
done
and
it's
complete
because
it
is
north
temple,
it's
a
sensitive
area,
and
for
me
this
is
a
project
that
you
know
would
maybe
stem
some
more
opportunities.
B
Great
any
other
council
members
comments,
questions.
D
And
chair,
I
like
cindy's
statement
about
the
existing
mitigation,
ordinance
work
happening
and
wrapping
this
particular
scenario
into
there.
So
we
do
have
this
discussion
going
forward
whenever.
B
Great
okay:
well,
we
are
studying
the
public
hearing
date
today
at
our
formal
meeting
for
and
that
public
comment
hearing
date
would
be
may
18th
with
tentative
action
on
june
1st
thanks
everyone
for
joining
us
and
thank
you
to
the
applicants
for
being
here
today.
Thank
you.
I
appreciate
it
with
that.
We
will
move
to
agenda
item
number
nine,
which
is
the
fern
subdivision
alley
vacation,
and
this
I'll
turn
the
time
back
over
to
brian
foamer
from
the
council
office.
D
The
north-south
alley
segments
are
approximately
126
feet,
long
and
10
feet
wide,
and
the
east
west
segment
is
approximately
336
feet
long,
but
seven
feet
wide.
There
are
several
encroachments
into
the
alley
making
it
impassable
and
the
casual
observer
would
not
notice
that
yaoi
even
exists
because
of
the
encroachments.
D
E
Hi,
so
this
alley,
as
he
was
saying,
is
just
not
existent
outside
of
it
being
on
paper.
E
Both
of
the
arms
of
the
alley
are
used
for
driveways,
mainly
there's
a
fence
line
that
is
on
the
north
side
of
the
alley,
all
the
way,
through
from
one
side
from
the
west
to
the
east
side.
The
thing
about
this
alley
as
well.
E
Hello
is
that
all
of
the
properties
to
the
north
and
to
the
east
or
the
one
property
to
the
east
are
not
on
the
subdivision.
So
all
of
the
alley
would
go
to
just
the
people
who
are
in
the
fern
subdivision
portion
of
it,
and
so
right
now
that's
kind
of
how
the
fan
fence
lines
are
set
up,
as
it
is.
E
Okay
and
then
all
the
so,
the
the
alley
no
longer
exists
and
there's
all
but
two
of
the
owners
that
needed
to
sign
a
property
owners
that
needed
to
sign
the
petition
did
not
one
of
them.
I
believe
I
talked
to
it
was
this
is
kind
of
an
older
application,
so
that
was
a
couple
of
years
ago
when
they
just
had
some
questions
on.
E
You
know
what
would
happen
if
the
alley
was
vacated
and
basically
nothing
because
it's
already
set
up
like
the
alley
has
already
been
vacated,
because
it's
like
I
said,
the
the
fence
line
is
to
the
north
of
the
alley
and
follows
that
along
and.
E
Let's
see,
let's
go
ahead
and
change
the
so
here's
okay,
so
here
is
the
alley,
as
you
can
see,
if
you
go
back
one
more
without
the
green
line
on
it,
it
just
shows
that
there
are
several
properties.
E
I
guess
that
floating
line
I
had
it
set
up
so
that
the
this
line
would
float
in
and
you
could
see
where
you
know
there
are
structures
that
are
in
the
alley
on
on
several
of
the
properties
so
and
there's
there's
one
that
shows
it
as
well.
So
it's
yeah
and
yeah.
It's
already
set
up
where,
where
the
the
er
everything
is,
the
the
alley
doesn't
exist
anymore.
E
Let's
go
ahead
and
change
the
slide
in
here
again
as
the
original
subdivision
plot,
showing
the
alley,
arms
and
just
basically
the
the
parcels
that
were
included
in
the
alleyway.
So
let's
go
ahead
and
change
the.
E
So
this
is
the
north
facing,
or
this
is
alley
at
1019
east
logan
avenue.
That's
the
arm.
Basically,
some
of
219
and
the
neighbor
directly
beside
them
kind
of
share
this,
but
most
of
it
goes,
is,
is
being
used
by
the
219
east
logan
avenue
parcel,
and
then
I
mean
there's
trees
already
planted
in
the
alleyway.
There's
a
there's,
a
pole
there
and
then
over
on
the
east
arm.
E
If
you
want
to
switch
the
the
slide
is
basically
built
in
as
well.
The
the
the
the
alley
is
actually
probably
more
closer
to
the
grassy
area.
Some
of
the
the
cement
area
is
in
the
alleyway
there's
also
a
utility
easement,
with
publicly
utilities
on
in
this
alleyway
as
well.
That
would
need
to
be
recorded
once
the
alley
is
vacated
as
an
easement
and
then
let's
go
ahead
and
change
the
and
then
this
is
just
demonstrating
that
the
alley
the
fence
line
is
pretty
consistent
on
the
north
side
of
the
alleyway.
E
Let's
go
ahead
and
change
and
then
the
alley
vacation
standards
it
it's
it's
lack
of
use
it's
no
longer
in
there
that
there
isn't
really
going
to
be
any
community
purpose
left.
There's
no
way
to
like
you
know,
maybe
use
it
as
a
walking
path
or
anything
like
that.
It
would
probably
disrupt
the
the
homeowners
along
the
alleyway.
E
If
we
did
that,
and
that's
the
end
of
what
I
have
to
say
so,
planning
staff
recommends
that
the
planning
compared
that
and
the
planning
commission
did
recommend
a
positive
approval
to
city
council
or
the
fern
subdivisionality.
B
B
I
don't
see
any
hands
up,
so
this,
I
believe,
is
on
the
same
timeline.
Brian.
Are
we
on
the
same
timeline
for
this?
Yes,.
B
Perfect,
thank
you
so
much
for
being
here
with
us,
thank
you
to
our
to
brian
in
the
planning
division
and
we
will
be
back
on
the
18th
may
18th.
That
is.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
B
B
Then
there
is
one
thing
I
thought
it
was
a
great
brief,
I
think
in
the
future.
If
we
could
add
districts
to
it,
I
was
looking
at
it
and
just
sometimes
it's
helpful
to
see
kind
of
where
what
districts
the
streets
are
mostly
in,
and
I
didn't
notice
that
in
this,
but
that
was
the
only
thing
that
I
was
thinking
about
when
I
was
reading
it.
M
Thanks
for
the
suggestion,
I'll
follow
up
with
engineering
on
that,
I
I
do
recall
the
reconstruction
of
local
streets
rotates
between
council
districts.
So
some
years
it's
focused
on
a
couple
council
districts
the
next
year,
different
council
districts.
D
Okay,
andrew,
I
agree
man,
I'm
chair.
I
think
it
was
a
year
ago
or
two
years
ago,
ben
when
they
did
the
initial
presentation
had
it
broken
down
really
well
about
these
districts
this
year,
these
districts
this
year,
if
they
just
took
that
and
sort
of
superimposed
it.
It
might
work
quite
well
for
this.
M
I
do
remember
that
breakdown.
Thank
you
for
the
feedback.
B
Thank
you,
okay.
Everyone
do
we
have
a
report
from
the
chair
of
vice
chair.
I
don't
think
I
have
anything
james.
Do
you
have
anything,
I'm
getting
a
head
shake?
No,
do
we
have
announcements
from
our
executive
director?
We
do
not
excellent.
We
have
no
closed
session
today.
With
that
good
work
team.
We,
our
work
session,
is
adjourned.
We
will
be
back
here
at
is
at
seven
o'clock
for
our
formal
meeting.
Thanks.