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A
A
B
Welcome
everyone
to
today's
city
council
meeting.
We
are
grateful
to
have
you
joining
us
as
we
continue
to
hold
electronic
meetings.
Welcome
to
the
members
of
the
public
who
may
be
watching
our
usual
video
feeds
online,
even
though
we
are
not
in
person.
This
meeting
is
still
considered
an
open
and
public
meeting.
As
many
of
you
know,
there
is
no
public
comment
during
a
work
session.
However,
please
join
us
for
the
7pm
formal
meeting
tonight
to
share
any
comments.
B
Your
feedback
is
always
welcome
and
you
can
share
that
with
the
city
council
anytime
by
mailing
us
at
po
box,
145,
476,
salt
lake
city,
utah,
84114
emailing,
us
at
council,
dot
comments
at
slc,
gov
dot
com
or
by
calling
our
24
hour
comment
line
at
801,
535,
five.
Four,
with
that,
we
will
move
on
to
our
work
session
items
first
up
as
always.
Thank
you,
madam
mayor
for
being
here,
and
I
will
turn
the
time
over
to
you
for
updates
from
you
and
your
team.
C
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
I
know
that
bobby
has
a
slide
deck
for
us.
Thank
you.
C
I'm
happy
to
tell
you
that,
unlike
the
last
week,
there
aren't
any
zip
codes
above
that
191
per
100
000
crude
positivity
rate,
and
although
the
central
city
and
west
side,
vaccination
rates
are
still
behind
the
east
side,
they're
getting
better
and
it's
consistent.
So
the
next
slide
will
show
you
that
the
increases
week
over
week
are
holding
pretty
steady
at
about
three
percent
for
the
for
eight
for
101
right
about
two
percent
for
a4
104
and
two
percent
for
eight
four
one.
One.
Six.
C
D
Off
thanks,
madam
mayor,
I
apologize.
I
don't
have
the
updated
numbers
for
this
week,
but
they're
on
par
with
that
you've
seen
here
in
the
previous
weeks,
hovering
around
90
occupancy
rates
in
the
resource.
Centers,
that's
pretty
much
what
you
anticipated
at
the
beginning
of
the
time,
even
though
we've
been
running
on
average
above
95,
the
first
two
years,
so
not
too
abnormal
the
other
things
going
on
this
week.
We
continue
to
have
some
abatements
of
camps.
These
are
mostly
smaller
ones.
D
At
this
point,
excuse
me
my
video
was
not
on
around
town
and
then
also
outreach
to
some
other
areas.
We
know
there's
a
big
one
at
rio,
grande
they'll,
be
talking
to
neighbors
about
it
and
businesses
and
on
that
street
on
june
12th
there
will
be
a
vaccination
clinic.
Basically
a
big
party,
maybe
you'll
put
it
that
way
where
we're
going
to
have
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
entertainment
food.
D
D
The
other
thing
that's
been
happening
is
volunteers.
American
continues
to
do
vaccinations
through
the
health
department
to
the
unsheltered
community
every
week,
and
there
are
some
other
camps
they're
reaching
out
to
across
the
city,
and
the
last
thing
perhaps
today
is
some
of
you
may
know.
Kayak
court
did
take
place
and
some
of
you
were
part
of
that,
and
there
are
plans
to
do
another
one
as
well.
This
month,
more
information
will
come
forward
soon
to
you
all.
C
Thanks
andrew,
we
have
an
update
on
policing,
police
department
staff
numbers
and
we
I
hope
that
this
will
be
helpful.
It
was
helpful
for
our
team
and
being
able
to
look
at
it.
This
way
you
can
see
our
total
sworn
officers
for
the
department
as
a
whole,
but
breaking
out
the
airport
division,
and
then
you
can
look
at
where
we
are
seeing
the
openings
and
the
loss
of
employment
of
some
officers.
C
The
less
active
military
is
either
people
who
are
currently
deployed-
or
we
know,
will
be
shortly
deployed
and
just
in
the
last
week
we
have
been
made
aware
that
we'll
be
losing
15
officers
to
the
new
police
department
in
taylorsville
and
have
come
to
understand
that
they're
able
to
give
an
eight
to
ten
dollar
per
hour
pay
increase
to
some
of
our
officers
who
are
leaving.
So
while
we've
been
hearing
you
know
two
dollar
difference
in
pay
being
justification
for
some
officers
over
the
last
year
to
leave
salt
lake
city.
C
That's
it's
actually
quite
a
lot
higher
with
taylorsville,
so
that
comes
to
and
of
course,
will
be
part
of
the
compensation
conversation
that
we
are
engaged
in
right
now
through
negotiations
with
all
of
our
labor
unions.
But
that's
not
the
subject
of
this
update
today.
We
wanted
to
show
you
what
those
hard
numbers
are
looking
like
right
now.
C
It's
you
can
imagine
that
those
same
laterals
are
looking
at
taylorsville
and
we're
not
very
competitive
when
you
can
consider
the
potential
of
a
10
an
hour
pay
increase
for
going
to
a
new
department
like
that,
that's
not
good
enough
and
our
capital.
The
city
needs
our
officers
to
not
only
be
able
to
afford
staying
here,
but
to
want
to
stay
here.
C
C
But
I've
also
been
hearing
through
the
grapevine
that
we
aren't
we're
not
actually
the
hardest
hit
department,
even
potentially
in
the
county,
in
terms
of
losing
officers
to
taylorsville.
So
just
to
give
you
some
context,
it's
it's
definitely
not
only
our
department
there's
a
little
bit
of
the
the
numbers
of
where
we're
at
currently
84
applicants
from
february
were
invited
to
do
the
the
physical
test
and
the
written
test
20
past
the
written
test
after
30
came
to
the
testing.
So
any
questions
that
I
could
answer
for
you
right
now.
B
Madam
mayor,
I
don't
know
if
chief
brown
is
on
and
available.
I
had
a
couple
questions
about
that
last
that
last
slide
and
if
he's
not
available,
maybe
I
can
just
okay,
great
hi
chief
when
it
said
24,
past
pt
and
24
past
the
written
or
20
past
the
written
test.
Does
that
mean
that,
like
how
many
passed
both.
D
Yeah,
what
happens
is
we
we
ask
for
people
to
put
in
the
applicant
application
card
to
give
us
some
information.
We
had
84
of
those
individuals
fill
that
out.
30
were
invited
to
come
to
the
testing.
The
30
came
to
the
pt
testing.
24
passed
the
pt
test
of
those
24
20
past
the
written
test.
So
it's
really
a
rule
of
thirds.
D
Every
time
we
have
a
level
of
testing,
we
lose
about
a
third
of
the
applicants
so
of
those
20,
we'll
probably
lose
a
third
in
backgrounds
and
then
the
final
test
so
of
those
20
we're
not
out
of
the
clear
yet
we're
probably
gonna,
maybe
get
eight
to
ten
of
those.
So
just
to
give
you
a
little
information,
madam
chair,
we
were
looking
to
hire
a
class,
a
lateral
class
in
june
thirtieth
of
twelve
right.
Now
we
maybe
we
might
have
three.
D
D
B
Thank
you
chief
and
I
have
a
couple
of
questions
and
you
and
I
have
talked
about
this
in
the
past,
and
maybe
we
can
talk
about
it
again
offline
just
about
the
the
background
stuff.
B
So
maybe
we
can
chat
about
that
a
little
bit,
because
I
just
have
some
questions
that
I
don't
want
to
take
up
too
much
time
right
now
about
that.
So
I'm
just
curious
more
than
anything
so
I'll
be
reaching
out.
D
D
Two
weeks
later,
we
now
have
46,
pending
or
46,
less
ftes
vacant
officer
positions
and
another
18
that
are
looking
to
resign
or
retire,
and
that's
unless
I
think
we're
at
a
critical
time
where
we
can't
replace
these
folks.
You
know
by
just
flipping
a
switch
and
we've
had
these
many
conversations,
but
right
now
we're
looking
at
reorganizing
the
department
inside
out
and
finding
ways
to
put
officers
to
answer
those
calls
for
service
because
we
can't
keep
up.
So
I
appreciate
the
mayor
and
the
way
she
presented
this
but
council.
B
Yeah
yeah,
I
fully
understand
that
chief
and
appreciate
it
councilmember
rogers.
F
But,
madam
mayor,
I
am
100
committed
to
whatever
it
takes
to
make
sure
that
we
get
the
staff
necessary
that
we
have
the
funds
necessary
that
the
police
officers
have
everything
they're
equipped
to.
F
Again,
we
just
can't
do
it
anymore
to
the
level
we
used
to
we're
losing
officers,
new
and
veteran
alike,
so
fast,
we're
probably
two
years
behind
to
recover.
Even
if
the
mass
exodus
has
stopped,
we
don't
have
the
support
to
do
hard
and
dangerous,
and
often
ugly
and
public
sized
things
we
have
to
do
as
officers
in
order
to
get
the
job
done.
We
take
to
the
fight
to
those
who
murder,
rape,
rob
assault,
destroy,
kidnap,
steal,
terrorize
and
who
seek
anarchy.
That's
what
we
do.
F
That's
what
our
women
and
men
of
this
police
department
do
after
receiving
the
highest
level
of
training,
and
we
do
it
very
well,
even
despite
the
lack
of
support.
I
I
don't
know
how
our
police
officers
are
coming
every
single
day
to
do
their
job
when
they're
not
getting
the
support,
they're,
not
getting
the
things
that
they
need,
and
I
am
100
committed-
and
I
hope
the
rest
of
the
council
is
too
because
it's
unfair,
that's
what
we
should
be
doing
is
public
safety.
F
We
should
be
maintaining
that
that
high
standard
we
need
to
make
sure
that
our
officers
are
being
paid,
that
they're
being
trained,
that
they
have
every
single
tool
that
they
need
to
do
their
job.
So
I
know
I
don't
I
don't
hope,
I'm
not
preaching
to
the
choir
here,
or
I
mean
I
should
say.
I
hope
I
am
preaching
to
the
choir
that
we
have
got
to
turn
this
around
immediately,
because
our
response
times
are
going
to
be
even
worse,
with
kids
getting
out
of
school.
F
D
I
think
it's
across
the
board
council
member
rogers,
but
it
tends
to
be
in
some
of
our
younger
officers,
two
to
maybe
five
years
of
experience.
But
again
those
are
the
officers
that
are
filling
those
graveyard
shifts.
Those
afternoon
shifts
that
are
chasing
those
calls
that
you're
talking
about
and
then.
F
Whether
they're
continuing
to
be
a
police
officer
or
not,
I
mean
we're
talking
two
hundred
thousand
dollars
after
the
time,
it's
all
said
and
they're
outfitted
and
then
they're
out
the
door,
and
after
two
years
we're
gonna
be
spending
five
hundred
thousand
dollars
for
one
officer
to
get
retrained.
It's
such
a
waste
of
money.
Council
members-
I
can't
stress
this
enough.
I've
seen
it
from
for
the
past
seven
years,
this
downward
trend
and
it's
got
to
stop.
F
We
are
the
capital
city
and
there
is
no
other,
no
other
city,
that
in
the
state
that
has
to
do
exactly
what
our
officers
are
doing
and
we
demanded
of
them
and
then
we're
upset
when,
when
they
leave
on
our
response
times,
when
they
can't
even
answer
phone
calls
and
get
to
the
place
where
these
issues
are
taking
place,
it's
a
shame.
We
should
be
ashamed.
C
Of
ourselves,
I
I
would
agree
with
you
and
say
that
the
complexity
of
reasons
for
officers
to
leave,
we
all
know,
is
far
more
complex
than
just
base
pay
it's
more
than
the
take-home
salary.
That's
a
big
piece
of
it,
but
it's
so
much
more
than
that.
So
councilmember
rogers.
When
you
talk
about
the
support
that
the
officers
need.
I
appreciate
that
and
I
appreciate
the
recognition
as
an
elected
representative,
that
they
need
support
from
us
from
all
of
us
and
they
deserve
that.
C
It
doesn't
mean
that
we
turn
a
blind
eye.
It
doesn't
mean
that
we
aren't
critical
about
the
work
that
they
do
so
that
we
can
be
constructive
and
that
we
can
continue
to
be
the
best
police
department
in
this
country
because
we're
curious
because
we're
not
ever
done
learning
but
that
you
know
for
us
to
address
pay
by
itself
is
missing
the
mark,
but
it's
absolutely
a
critical
piece
of
it.
G
Manager,
may
I
may
add,
I
completely
agree
with
everything
that
has
been
said.
I
also
get
countless
emails
and
texts
and
phone
calls
and
from
constituents
saying
where
are
the
police
officers?
There's
people
out
here
out
in
public
committing
crimes
not
only
they're
in
public,
but
also
the
vulnerable
populations
are
also
getting
preyed
upon
out
there.
We
need
the
police
officers.
This
is
a
public
safety
crisis
that
we're
having
right
now
at
this
district.
Four,
I'm
sure
it's
in
other
districts
too,
and
I
so
agree
with
you
mayor
mcnichol.
G
B
B
Certainly
agree
that
we
need
to
be
supportive
of
our
police
officers
and
all
of
our
first
responders,
and
I
think
that
one
of
the
goals
of
last
year's
audit
and
looking
at
those
recommendations
is
really
to
try
to
create
a
space
where
our
police
officers
are
feeling
that
they
can
do
their
job
in
a
good
and
healthy
manner
and
have
the
resources
that
they
need
and
that
we're
allocating
or
taking
some
of
the
things
off
their
plate.
B
That
we
have
as
a
society,
have
put
on
them
and
continue
to
stress
and
and
create
more
pressure
for
them.
And
I
think
that
I
hope
that
people
can
see
that.
The
reason
that
I
was
am
so
hopeful
about
the
audit
and
the
results
of
the
audit
is
that
it
is
a
way
to
really
benefit
our
community
and
support
our
police
officers
in
the
right
way.
B
And
I
look
forward
to
continuing
those
conversations
as
as
we
kind
of
move
forward
throughout
the
year
on
looking
at
our
police
department,
but
certainly
agree
that
that
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we
are
compensating
at
adequately
for
what
we
ask.
People
our
officers
and
our
first
responders
to
do
within
our
capital
city
and
create
a
support
system
for
all
of
our
community
members,
and
that
includes
our
police
officers.
So
I
look
forward
to
continue
conversations
there.
Thank
you.
B
With
that,
we
will
go
on
to
agenda
item
number
two,
which
is
updates
on
racial
equity
and
policing.
H
Good
afternoon
good
afternoon,
madam
chair,
just
a
quick
update
from
me
tomorrow,
the
racial
equity
and
policing
commission,
the
full
commission
will
be
meeting
at
5
pm
for
their
usual
commission
meeting.
It
generally
lasts
till
about
6
30.
It
is
open
to
the
public
and
people
are
invited
and
able
to
find
it
on
all
the
usual
channels.
I
believe
that's
all
we
have
for
today,
but
I
could
be
wrong.
Thank
you.
B
Thank
you.
Allison
item
number
three.
Is
our
budget
amendment
number
nine
for
fiscal
year,
2020
2021
follow
up.
I
will
turn
the
time
I
believe
over
to
ben
ludke
from
our
council
staff,
and
then
we
also
have
the
chief
financial
officer,
mary
beth
thompson
and
our
city
budget
director
john
bike
here
for
to
answer
people's
questions.
But
I
will
turn
the
time
over
to
you.
Ben.
I
I
First,
the
administration
is
requesting
the
council
add
an
item
to
reimburse
fund
balance
using
american
rescue
plan
act
or
arpa
dollars.
The
reimbursement
would
be
almost
1.2
million
dollars
and
it
would
be
for
some
of
the
employee
bonuses
you
approved
in
budget
amendment
number.
Seven,
the
u.s
treasury
issued
guidance
on
how
arpa
dollars
can
be
used
after
the
administration
transmitted
budget.
Amendment
number
nine
that
guidance
identifies
bonuses
as
an
eligible
use.
I
I
I
I
J
E
I
can
take
it
on
so
I
think
that
the
reason
that
we
just
did
the
general
fund
was
because
we
were
trying
to
get
this
in
as
quick
as
possible,
and
so
you
could
have
you
could
reverse
public
utilities
ability
as
well.
E
This
will
fund
dollars
because
and
the
1.193
it
will
free
up
fund
funding
for
funding.
K
That
was
madam
chair.
We
can
follow
up,
I
don't
know
if
other
people
were
having
trouble
hearing
mary
beth
yeah
we
could.
Maybe
we
can
follow
up
in
writing
on
that
and
ben
can
follow
up
with
on
writing
with
mary
beth
and
share
that
with
the
council,
because
I
know
there
was
some
good
information
in
there.
It
was
just
choppy
and
I
couldn't
hear
it.
I
I
A
couple
council
members
asked
if
the
two
and
a
half
million
dollars
for
replacing
those
boilers
that
had
failed
at
the
central
plant
could
also
be
used
for
our
dollars,
but
unfortunately
not
it's
not
eligible,
but
we
did
check
and
if
you
have
more
ideas
about
using
arpa
dollars,
feel
free
to
let
staff
know
and
we'll
we're
happy
to
run
down
all
of
those
ideas.
You
have.
I
At
the
last
briefing,
you
talked
about
the
importance
of
spending.
All
of
these
remaining
cares
act
dollars
before
the
september
2021
deadline,
and
there
were
two
options:
you
discussed:
changing
the
eligibility
criteria
and
or
provide
a
second
round
of
500
payments
to
the
existing
debit
card
holders.
I
I
I
Who
would
then
need
to
reach
new
households
that
qualify
and
they
would
have
less
than
four
months
to
spend
the
full
remaining
budget.
We
would
also
need
to
identify
what
populations
would
be
targeted
under
new
criteria,
so
under
either
approach.
It
would
be
a
council
added
item
to
approve
the
new
scope
for
how
to
spend
these
funds.
B
So
quick
question:
if
I'm
reading
this
correctly,
when
I
went
over
it
earlier
today,
if
we
do
a
second
round
of
500
payments,
that
still
leaves
eighty
thousand
dollars
correct.
Okay,
so
either
way
we
need
to
spend
eighty
thousand
dollars.
I
guess
my
question
would
be
to
your
policy
question
to
the
admin
which
is
easiest
to
spend.
You
know
680
000
in
three
months
in
the
way
that
we
sort
of
want
to
madam
mayor.
C
It
was
such
a
labor
on
those
community
organizations
part
to
make
the
connections
with
the
individuals
which
is
part
of
why
we
recommend
reloading
the
cards,
because
that
work
of
the
relationship
building
is
already
there,
and
we
know
that
the
populations
who
we've
focused
on
with
these
dollars
have
been
the
hardest
hit
throughout
the
pandemic,
and
that
recovery
is
not
done
and
they
are
still
you
know
getting
through
economically
and
from
a
health
perspective.
C
So
the
the
balance,
though,
madam
chair,
that
you
astutely
point
out
could
be
made
available
for
them
for
those
community
organizations
to
continue
to
sign
or
offer
cards
to
new
clients
that
they
haven't
yet
connected
with,
of
course,
or
the
council
could
see
to
put
that
money
somewhere
else.
But
it
would
just
keep
that
door
open
for
the
organizations
to
keep
spreading.
The
word.
B
Thank
you,
madam
mayor
council,
members.
Any
other
questions
on
this
item.
B
I
mean
I
don't
know
if
it's
helpful
to
do
a
potential
straw
poll
on
I'm
trying
not
to
to
get
in
the
habit
of
doing
struggles
on
everything,
but
it
seems
like
this
is
one
of
those
things
where
we
may
need
some
policy
direction
so
that
when
we
do
approve
the
budget
amendment
the
administration
sort
of
knows
what
we
were
intending.
B
So
it
may
be
helpful
to
do
a
straw
poll
on
how
council
members
feel
about
this
money
and
which
direction
we
want
to
go.
I
mean:
are
there
thoughts,
ideas.
J
B
I
I
I
The
police
section
is
still
in
development.
The
consultant
did
assemble
a
data
set
that
will
serve
as
the
basis
for
calculating
the
new
police
impact
fees
by
land
use
type.
The
administration
is
currently
determining
the
future
capital
needs
of
the
police
department
and
they
said
a
proposal
is
expected
to
be
transmitted
to
the
council
in
the
summer.
B
B
Okay,
we
will
move
on
ben,
you
can
stay
in
the
hot
seat
because
you
are
our
cip
pro,
and
our
next
agenda
item
is
an
overview
of
the
capital
improvement
program
and
council
members.
I
encourage
and
ben
you'll.
Will
you
go
through
the
timeline
for
us
first
as
part
of
that
overview,
so
that
we
have
that
out
in
the
open
people
understand
when
the
hearings
are.
Thank
you
and
I'll
turn
the
time
over
to
you.
I
So
the
timeline
that
you
just
mentioned,
madam
chair,
is
the
council
approves
the
overall
funding
for
cip
and
debt
payments
as
part
of
the
annual
budget,
which
is
what
you're
expected
to
be
voting
on
later
this
month.
The
project
specific
funding
is
discussed
over
the
summer
and
must
be
approved
by
september
1st.
I
I
I
I
Now
of
that
total
budget,
almost
35
million
dollars,
5.7
million-
is
unrestricted
general
fund
dollars.
These
are
the
most
flexible
they
can
go
to
any
project,
then
there's
18
million,
which
is
from
several
funding
sources,
including
impact
fees,
gas
tax,
money
from
the
state
called
class
c
funds,
as
well
as
the
county
quarter.
Cent
I
mentioned
earlier.
I
These
18
million
are
limited
in
how
they
can
be
used
because
of
state
law,
so
they're,
less
flexible
and
then
there's
10.7
million
dollars
to
cover
debt
payments.
This
is
mostly
for
bonds,
but
I
have
to
note
of
that
10.7
million
for
debt
payments-
3.6
million-
is
a
placeholder
to
cover
the
first
year
debt
payment
on
the
proposed
58
million
dollar
bond.
I
I
I
I
I
Only
fiscal
year,
17
had
more
total
requests
by
three.
Now,
not
all
requests
are
equivalent.
Some
are
more
complicated.
Some
request
a
larger
dollar
amount,
but
I
think
it's
helpful
to
show
over
this
six
year
period
that
fiscal
year
22
does
have
more
total
and
more
constituent
requests
than
typical.
I
You
can
find
a
summary
of
the
proposed
fiscal
year,
22
cip
budget,
in
section
d
of
the
budget
book
for
the
third
year
in
a
row.
There
is
also
a
separate
cip
budget
book.
Hard
copies
should
have
been
delivered
to
council
members
last
friday.
Let
us
know
if
you
didn't
get
it.
An
electronic
copy
is
pending
transmittal
from
the
administration.
I
This
year,
the
funding
recommendations
from
the
advisory
board
and
the
mayor
are
nearly
identical.
There
are
two
minor
and
one
major
difference:
both
recommended
fully
funding,
but
using
a
different
mix
of
funding
sources
for
two
projects:
transportation,
safety,
improvements
on
page
d6
and
the
900
south
signal
improvements,
project,
which
is
on
page
d26.
I
I
Is
the
council
interested
in
providing
policy
guidance
for
when
to
disqualify
cip
application,
making
more
resources
available
to
constituent
applications,
in
particular,
to
address
geographic
equity
considerations
with
that
I'll
turn?
The
time
over
to
cali
ruiz,
the
cip
manager
in
the
can
department.
L
I
believe
there
should
be
a
presentation
slide
and
we
will
just
get
right
into
it.
It's
very
short
so
that
it
will
leave
the
opportunity
to
ask
questions
if
you
have
them
and
thank
you
so
much
for
putting
up
the
slide.
For
me.
We
began
this
year
fiscal
year,
22
process
in
october
of
2020
by
opening
the
constituent
application
process
that
continued
for
approximately
30
days
before
sending
those
through
to
the
divisions
for
collaboration
to
work
on
budgets
and
project
scopes.
L
L
This
is
just
a
high
level
of
the
request
for
funding
and
out
of
which
funding
source
there
were
72
applications
in
total
of
60
million
584
686
in
total
requested
dollars.
You
can
see
there
on
the
breakdown.
There's
a
request
for
42
million
800
000
out
of
general
fund
and
ultimately,
there's
about
eight
million
available
in
general
fund
dollars
with
the
funding
our
future
as
ben
mentioned
earlier.
Some
of
these
other
funding
sources
are
more
restricted,
but
they
were
much
closer
in
what
the
requested
fundings
were
versus
what
was
available
next
slide.
Please.
L
This
here
is
just
a
breakdown
of
those
cip
applications.
There
were
24
constituent
applications,
nine
engineering
applications,
three
facilities,
applications,
four
fire,
17
parks
and
public
lands
and
15
transportation
applications
next
slide,
please
so
here's
kind
of
where
we
get
into
more
of
the
snapshot
of
this
year's
cit
and
what
we've
done
here
is
we
broke
down
this
the
cdcip
board
and
mayor's
recommendations
and
more
of
the
stats,
so
the
total
applications
were
72,
48
of
those
being
internal
and
24
of
those
being
constituent.
L
L
I
want
to
give
some
credit
to
the
cdcip
board
for
trying
to
be
very
mindful
in
their
considerations
of
recommendations
and
funding,
to
be
equitable
across
any
all
the
divisions
and
then
also
they
were
looking
very
closely
at
project
addresses
as
well,
and
so,
if
you
look
really
closely
at
that
column,
you
can
see
that
the
division
and
percentage-wise
out
of
general
fund,
which
is
inclusive
of
the
funding
our
future
dollars.
I
think
that
it
was
spread
out
pretty
equitably.
L
B
Thank
you
kelly.
Also,
it's
good
to
see
you.
I
haven't
seen
you
in
a
long
time,
council
members,
questions
ben.
Did
you
have
more
to
say
sorry?
B
Okay,
then
I'll
turn
it
over
for
questions
as
far
as
before,
I
turn
it
over
for
questions.
As
far
as
the
policy
questions
go,
I
think
that
they
are
excellent
policy
questions
and
what
I
would
ask
is
if
we
could
just
give
this
to
the
admin
to
come
back
with,
maybe
some
written
responses
or
be.
B
We
can
have
a
further
update
on
those
questions
rather
than
trying
to
go
through
those
questions
right
now,
simply
because
they,
you
may
not
have
all
the
answers.
I
don't
know
if
you've
got
the
questions
beforehand
or
saw
the
staff
report
beforehand,
but
they
are
really
great
questions
and
I
think
it's
just
more
efficient
if
we
give
you
an
opportunity
to
go
back
and
actually
think
about
it
and
answer
them
with
more
details
so
that
we're
not
like
oh
we'll,
come
back
in
a
little
bit.
B
I
Yeah
I
I'll
reach
out
to
callie,
I'm
sure
she's
already
looked
at
my
staff
report
and
I'm
sure
she'd
also
appreciate
more
time
to
provide
a
written
response.
B
They're,
pretty
in-depth
policy
questions,
so
I
think
it
will
just
be
more
helpful
that
way.
I
appreciate
that
kelly
and
ben
and
so
council
members
what
I'd
like.
Oh
yeah,
go
ahead.
I.
I
B
Yes,
ish.
Okay,
there
are
a
couple
of
questions
that
yes,
fourth
of
july
13th.
I
think
the
biggest
question
that
we
would
need
answered
beforehand
and
I
think
this
we
can
do
offline.
I
know
that
there
has.
There
was
some
talk
by
council
members
about
whether
or
not
they
wanted
to
increase
the
cip
budget
and
some
of
these
questions
sort
of
relate
to
whether
or
not
it
needs
to
be
increased,
such
as.
B
Are
there
certain
programs
that
might
qualify
for
arpa
funding,
in
which
case,
if
there
were,
then
we
may
not
have
more
that
desire
to
increase
the
cip
budget,
because
we
would
know
that
maybe
we
can
not
fund
something
but
maybe
funded
in
the
future
with
arpa
funds.
So
there
I
think,
maybe
we
can
tweak
some
of
those
questions,
ben
and-
and
we
might
need
an
answer
before
the
the
budget.
But
we
could
probably
talk
about
that
offline
and
with
some
of
the
council
members
that
were
interested
in
increasing
the
cip
budget.
Does
that
make
sense.
B
E
Yeah,
madam
chairman,
I
still
very
interested
in
increasing
the
amount
of
cip
and
funding.
Overall,
I
I'm
going
to
ask
council
members,
just
as
a
preview
that
I
really
am
going
to
be
advocating
for
one
of
the
constituent
applications
for
to
improve
transportation
in
the
sort
of
the
north,
northern
gateway
to
the
city
and
just
remind
everybody
that
again.
E
This
is,
I
think,
part
of
the
reason
why
we're
seeing
such
a
huge
backlog
of
or
a
huge
rate
of
applications
coming
in
is
because
we
didn't
fund
cip
citizen
initiatives
last
year,
and
so
I
think
that
it
makes
sense
that
we
have
sort
of
a
bigger
funding
amount
this
year
to
compensate
for
the
fact
that
we
didn't
and
that
residents
didn't
have
the
opportunity
to
do
that
last
year
and
that
we
as
a
council
well
I'll.
Just
leave
it
at
that.
B
Well,
yes,
that'll
be
a
future
discussion.
I
gotta
think
through
that
in
my
head.
Anything
else
on
this
item.
Okay,
so
just
to
sort
of
recap:
what
ben?
Let's
me
you
and
and
maybe
callie
and
maybe
blake
work
together
on
some
of
those
more
timely
questions
and
and
we
can
throw
some
of
those
into
that
unresolved
for
the
next
time,
probably
next
week
when
we
have
our
council
meeting
if
they
relate
to
the
budget,
does
is
my
mumbling
making
sense?
B
Yes
crystal?
Yes,
perfect,
okay!
Well,
with
that,
we
are
cruising
right
along
council
members.
We
are
on
agenda
item
number
five
and
we're
literally
almost
an
hour
early.
So
hopefully,
chief
leave
is
on
and
prepared.
I
know,
allison
is
here
and
chief
and
rusty
are
they
here?
Do
we
need
to
hi
chief.
H
B
But
we
are
early,
it
just
means
that
we
we
all,
might
get
a
break
today.
At
some
point
chief.
Thank
you
for
being
here.
We
are
on
the
fire
department.
Budget
jen
bruno
is
at
the
table
from
our
council
staff,
and
so
I
will
turn
it
over
to
jen.
K
Thanks,
madam
chair,
just
a
real
brief
overview
of
the
fire
department,
because
I
know
the
chief
will
go
through
things
too.
The
main
increase
in
the
fire
department
budget
this
year
is
due
to
the
shift
of
emergency
management
from
the
police
department
to
the
fire
department.
That
shift
was
made
in
a
budget
amendment
earlier
in
the
year,
although
the
sort
of
second
phase
of
completing
that
transition
is
included
in
the
budget,
so
it
includes
adding
two
ftes
and
some
other
operational
costs.
K
So
that's
the
main
change
in
the
fire
department
budget
this
year
for
everyone's
information,
the
fire
department
runs
and
administers
the
following
services,
which
include
fire
prevention,
cert
training,
fire
response,
medical
service,
medical
services
and
now
emergency
management.
K
Let's
see
the
other
main
highlight
in
the
proposed
budget
includes
using
six
months
of
american
rescue
plan
dollars
to
fund
an
additional
mobile
medical
response
team
unit,
based
on
some
calls
for
service
data
that
the
department
has
been
watching
for
the
last
few
years,
based
on
council
interest
in
expanding
that
program.
K
That
currently
operates
just
in
downtown
and
if
the
council
wants
to
talk
more
about
that,
there's
a
whole
bunch
of
information
in
the
staff
report
on
that
and
that
you
can
provide
more
I'm
sure
as
well
and
with
that
I'll
I'll
turn
it
over
to
the
chief
to
highlight
anything
else.
He
wants
to
otherwise
over
to
the
council.
M
Thank
you
jennifer.
I
appreciate
that
good
afternoon,
council,
madam
chair,
hope,
everyone
had
a
great
memorial
day
weekend.
M
M
M
M
They
are
in
descending
order
of
priority,
and
this
is
the
way
I
presented
our
initiatives
to
the
mayor
several
weeks
ago
and
I'll
go
over
each
one
and
answer
questions
as
you
see
necessary.
So
number
one
as
jennifer
alluded
to
is
our
second
half
of
emergency
management
transitioning
into
the
fire
department.
M
So
it
involves
a
couple
new
pins,
another
of
which
they
are
one
new
captain
and
one
additional
accountant
as
well
as
as
well
as
some
administrative
costs.
So
this
would
complete,
essentially
a
transition
from
going
from
a
a
six-person
emergency
management
division
within
the
city
to
a
10-person
emergency
management
division.
Two
of
those
people.
I
are
already
full-time
employees
at
the
fire
department
that
we
will
be
allocating
into
emergency
management.
We've
been
we've
hit
the
ground
five
weeks
ago
and
we
are
running
with
it
as
we
speak.
M
This
is
an
increase
essentially
in
our
fire
department
budget,
for
the
direct
costs
that
we
incur
for
airport
operations,
we
front
the
costs
to
the
airport,
and
then
they
reimburse
the
city
in
the
general
fund.
For
the
last
several
years
we
have
fronted
an
additional,
almost
750
000.
You
see
that
the
number
right
there
average
in
addition
to
what
our
allocation
is
for
our
airport
budget
and
we
don't
receive
those
those
monies
back.
As
I
said,
the
airport
reimburses
it
all,
but
it
goes
back
to
the
general
fund.
M
So
our
third
initiative
in
order
of
priority
is
emergency
management
office,
build
out,
as
I
said,
we're
going
from
a
six-person
emergency
management
team
to
a
10-person
emergency
management
team,
and
we
did
not
have
shared
workspace
or
even
additional
a
couple
of
additional
offices
to
to
accommodate
those
people.
So
we
have
identified
that
space
and
we
are
working
hard
with
public
services
to
initiate
that
build
out
and
that
construction
and
we're
in
the
design
phase
right
now.
M
M
We
estimate
that
another
mrt
would
probably
see
approximately
the
same
number
of
calls
that
our
current
mrt
is
seeing,
which
is
about
six
a
day,
and
that
adds
up
over
the
course
of
a
year,
certainly
in
fuel
costs
and
maintenance
costs,
and
it
allows
our
heavy
apparatus
to
remain
in-house
for
calls
that
they're
needed
on.
So
we
see
a
benefit
for
that.
The
last
three
initiatives
I
presented
weeks
ago,
new
apparatus
equipment.
M
We
have
not
been
fortunate
enough
to
be
awarded
additional
funds
to
to
put
new
equipment
on
our
new
apparatus,
we're
receiving
three
new
apparatus.
This
year
we
received
three.
Last
year
we've
been
using
used
equipment
which
isn't
ideal.
But
of
course
we
understand
there
are
many
many
needs
throughout
the
city.
Our
sixth
initiative
was
community
health,
health
case
manager.
That
would
assist
our
community
healthcare
paramedics,
which
are
two
firefighter
individuals
that
are
out
in
the
community,
trying
to
get
appropriate
services
to
a
lot
of
our
customers.
M
That
call
repeatedly
9-1-1-
which
probably
maybe
is
not
the
ideal
resource
for
them
in
their
specific
situation.
So,
whether
that's
substance,
abuse
help
or
mental
mental
illness
help
or
just
trauma,
we
try
and
get
them
the
more
specific
and
more
detailed
help
that
they
can
use.
So
we
don't
end
up
sending
heavy
apparatus
or
even
the
medical
response
team
out
repeatedly
to
those
individuals,
so
that
would
be
really
beneficial
ultimately
and
then
the
last
was
battery-powered
extrication
equipment.
We
have
started
this
program.
M
M
J
Today,
chief
on
the
medical
response
teams
and
the
mental
health
side,
do
you
see
a
correlation
with
the
the
ccc
program
and
and
interacting
with
them
was
the
social
worker
with
those
mrts?
M
I
do
council
member
dugan,
it's
a
good
question.
We've
been
working
on
that
now
for
several
months.
I
see
a
place
for
social
workers
in
the
fire
department.
I
think
it
would
be
appropriate
for
us
ultimately
to
link
a
social
worker
with
a
firefighter
on
some
calls
that
do
not
have
a
threat
component
or
a
violent.
You
know
weapon
component
where
we
could
go
out
and
address
mental
health
issues
and
substance
abuse
issues
with
the
assistance
of
a
social
worker.
M
M
J
Great
because
I'm
I'm
all
in
favor
of
of
looking
at
that,
because
I
think
you're
absolutely
correct
social
worker
could
work
both
ways
but
and
they're
definitely
needed
in
both
both
sides
of
the
issue.
So,
yes
yeah.
I
look
forward
to
further
discussion
on
that
kind
of
pilot
program
and
how
we
implement
it.
Thank
you.
L
N
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
First
off
chief,
I
really
appreciate
your
comments
regarding
the
teams
with
social
workers.
I
think
that
sounds
fantastic
to
have
the
two
different
pathways
as
options
curious
about
the
mrt
teams.
How
is
it
determined
that
they
are
sent
out.
M
It
all
depends
councilman
ferris
good,
to
meet
you
by
the
way
on
virtual,
at
least
likewise.
Thank
you.
It's
the
way
the
calls
are
coded,
so
the
disposition
codes,
the
software
that's
used
in
slc
911,
the
most
common
mrt
call
would
be
a
person
down.
You
know
a
traveler
drives
by
it's
a
very
common
call.
M
They
see
someone
on
the
sidewalk
or
on
a
property
laying
on
the
ground
and
they
don't
know
their
condition
they're
worried
about
that,
but
they
also
don't
have
the
ability
to
stop
and
check,
or
you
know
the
they
don't
feel
good
about
stopping
and
checking
that's
the
most
common
call.
We
also
see
a
lot
of
sick
persons,
so
the
mrt
would
get
would
would
get
dispatched
to
that
motor
vehicle
accidents
that
are
not
on
the
freeway.
That's
a
common
call
for
the
mrt
and
some
substance
abuse
as
well.
M
M
One
and
it
operates
six
days
a
week
during
the
daylight
hours,
essentially
from
seven
in
the
morning
to
approximately
eight
o'clock
at
night.
N
All
right
and
then
with
assuming
we
were
to
figure
out
something
in
the
social
worker
paired
up
model
that
you
were
discussing.
Would
you
see
that,
as
in
addition
to
mrts
or
in
places.
M
I
think,
in
addition
to
mrts,
I
see
the
social
worker
component
working
with
our
community
healthcare
paramedics,
which
is
a
different
division
within
our
medical
division
here
in
the
fire
department.
I
think
that
would
be
most
beneficial
to
allow
the
mrts
to
do
their
work
with
these
types
of
calls
and
then
the
social
workers
paired
up
with
the
community
healthcare
paramedic
could
pick
off
those
specific
calls
where
they
believe
they
can
make
a
difference.
Maybe
you
know
a
repeat,
call
or
person:
that's
clearly,
it's
a
it's.
N
Cool
and
then
lastly,
I
want
to
give
a
shout
out
to
you
guys
for
your
community
health
aspect.
I've
seen
a
few
of
your
people
recently,
interacting
with
engaging
with
people
out
in
the
community
and
coming
up
with
plans
for
high
utilizers
to
be
able
to
help
to
minimize
that
and
mitigate
those
impacts
and
they've
been
just
absolutely
delightful.
E
Thank
you
so,
chief,
you
and
I
have
talked
about
this
a
little
bit,
but
I
know
that
there's
some
apprehension
among
some
of
our
firefighters,
about
responding
to
things
with
only
two
firefighters
instead
of
a
team
of
four
that
would
be
on
like
a
one
of
the
trucks-
and
I
just
you
know.
E
For
example,
one
of
the
things
that
was
pointed
out
to
me
is:
let's
say
that
there's
somebody
there's
a
report
of
somebody
like
sleeping
in
a
car
or
something
and
people
don't
know
if
they're,
okay
or
they
need
to
be
checked
on
so
fire
fighters
go
out
and
and
suddenly
that
person
like
pulls
a
gun
on
them
or
something
like
that.
How
do
they
ensure
that
they're
safe
in
a
situation
like
that,
and
I
just
want
to
know
how,
from
your
perspective,
are
we
putting
our
by
expanding
the
mrt?
E
M
That's
a
fair
question:
councilman
reporting.
I
appreciate
that
and
these
we
have
these
kind
of
discussions
with
our
labor
group.
Six
and
a
half
years
ago
when
we
initiated
the
first
mrt
same
same
concerns
and
they
they
still
exist
today.
So
to
answer
your
question
specifically,
two
firefighters
in
a
medical
response
team
is
not
as
safe
as
four
firefighters
in
a
heavy
apparatus
I
mean.
Obviously,
four
is
better
than
two,
but
from
an
administrative
perspective,
I
don't
believe
that
the
model
is
fundamentally
unsafe.
M
We
go
to
great
great
lengths
to
ensure
that
those
firefighters
on
the
mrt
do
not
put
themselves
in
a
position
where
they
feel
uncomfortable
or
they
feel
endangered,
or
they
don't
feel
in
control
of
that
situation.
In
fact,
we
tell
them
don't
even
get
out
of
your
rig.
Don't
leave
the
vehicle
in
fact
drive
away
if
you
don't
feel
comfortable
and
wait
for
a
police
officer,
for
example,
to
arrive
and
secure
that
scene.
We
also
do
not
send
our
mrt
people
onto
the
freeway
because
we
feel
that
is
an
unsafe
condition.
M
Obviously,
the
freeways
are
a
very
dangerous
area.
In
fact,
if
we
send
them
to
a
call,
that's
on
one
of
the
more
high
volume
and
high
traffic
streets
in
the
city
say:
700
east.
We
think
it's
completely
appropriate
for
them
to
contact
a
heavy
if
they
feel
uncomfortable
heavy
apparatus
to
take
that
lane
and
block
that
lane,
while
they're
doing
their
work
on
700
east,
for
instance.
So
this
is
not
a
new
model.
This
is
the
type
of
model.
That's
been
used
nationwide
in
a
variety
of
departments.
M
We
think
it
it's
very
efficient,
it's
very
effective
for
this
service
demand
and
we
think
it's
appropriate
as
a
city
grows
and,
of
course,
the
demand
for
these
type
of
low
acuity.
Acuity.
Ems
responses
continues
and
I
don't
believe
it's
going
to
decrease
in
the
near
future.
M
I
think
it's
going
to
increase,
so
I
think
if
it's
done
appropriately,
it's
done
intelligently
and
it's
done
with
the
priority
of
safety
for
our
firefighters
always
in
mind,
which
is,
of
course,
my
number
one
priority
and
it's
the
number
one
priority
of
my
staff
and
our
local
labor
group.
Of
course,
I
think
it
could
be
done
well,
and
I
think
it
ultimately
is
is
a
great
benefit
to
the
department
certainly
reduces
the
burnout
in
a
variety
of
these
stations
that
are
going
non-stop.
You
know
24,
7.
M
and
many
of
the
firefighters
quite
honestly
appreciate
that,
because
burnout
is
a
real
deal
and
lack
of
sleep
stress,
this
job
is
tough
on
everyone,
particularly
those
that
have
other
concerns
at
home,
not
just
at
work.
So
if
we
can
relieve
some
of
that
stress-
and
this
model
helps
with
that-
I
think
it's
a
win-win
for
the
city.
E
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
you
know,
and
I'm
I'm
happy
to
talk
more
online
or
get
more
details
or
offline
and
get
more
details
offline,
but
the
biggest
concerns
with
this
are
making
sure
that
we're
not
compromising
firefighter
safety
any
more
than
the
like
inherent
risks
of
being
a
firefighter
and
that,
if
we're
going
to
be
adding
employees
that
were
making
sure
that
we're
going
to
be
able
to
sustain
those
employees
going
forward
and
that
it's
not
going
to
take
away
from
from
taking
care
of
the
employees,
the
firefighters
that
we
already
have.
E
So
those
are
my
my
biggest
concerns
and
I
do
appreciate
the
presentation.
I
think
we
can
talk
more
offline
about
some
of
the
specifics
and
but
that's
what
I'm
gonna
keep
harping
on
until
we're
until
we're
ready
to
pass
this
whole
budget
thing.
B
Council
members
other
questions
chief,
I
have
a
couple
of
questions
for
you.
You
mentioned
in
your
presentation
that
one
of
the
initiatives
is
the
reimbursement
from
the
airport,
and
that
was
about
350
000
a
little
over
350
000,
but
that
what
you
generally
front
is
double
that.
So
why
are
you
not
asking
for
reimbursement
for
what
you
generally
front.
M
Honestly,
man,
I'm
sure
I
just
we-
wanted
it
to
be
more
palatable
for
the
mayor's
office
and
the
council,
if
I
was
able
to
you,
know,
secure
750
000,
in
which
case
that
would
resolve
essentially
the
the
burden
that
we
we
currently
experience.
That
would
be
great,
but
I
try
and
I
try
and
moderate
you
know
the
asks
with
with
the
demands
across
the
city.
Of
course
I
know
they're
real
and
I
try
and
be
reasonable.
K
And
madam
chair,
if
I
could
just
chime
in
just
from
like
for
to
orient
some
new
council
members,
especially
like
the
general
fund
model
in
some
sense,
is
kind
of
built
on
that
philosophy.
Right,
like
building
services,
collects
fees
that
they
don't
keep
right,
they're
all
put
in
the
general
fund
pot
and
then
they're
divvied
out,
as
the
policy
makers
see
fit
in
terms
of
what
the
needs
for
the
general
fund
are,
and
so
there's
always
a
balance
of
reflecting
the
the
cost.
K
Frequently,
yes,
not
in
the
direct
reimbursement.
Sense
right.
The
general
fund
is
reimbursed
for
all
of
the
costs
borne
by
all
the
departments
so,
like
any
administrative
fee,
is
not
reimbursed
directly
to
the
finance
department,
it's
sort
of
aggregated
and
then
the
whole
general
fund
aggregates
it
back
out
right.
So
yeah,
that's!
Actually
it's
it's
more
common
for
departments
not
to
get
direct
reimbursements.
B
Interesting
and
then
this
may
be
a
question
jen
that
for
you
and
or
then
it
because
it's
an
impact
fee
question
but
or
admin
I
don't
know
when,
when
are
we
talking
impact
fees?
Did
we
do
that
already?
B
But
one
of
my
questions
is
whether
or
not
with
the-
and
I
know
we
did
this
in
agenda
item
number
like
three-
that
if
the
fire
impact
fees
include
apparatus,
the
new
plan
will
be
including
apparatus,
and
if
it
does
then
can
be
on
the
apparatus
and
then
does
that
for
impact
fees.
Does
that
include
the
maintenance
and
or
the
other
things
like?
The
chief
was
mentioning
that
apparatus
apparatus
need.
K
One
thing
we
did
flag,
though,
is
that
there's
no
prohibition
against
the
funding
or
future
dollars
being
spent
on
equipment
and
so
to
equip
a
fire
apparatus
now
that
fire
is
an
allowed
use
of
funding
our
future,
and
so
I
believe
the
chief
was
going
to
talk
to
the
fleet
division
to
see
if
it
would
work
to
pull
that
into
the
4
million,
that's
being
proposed
to
transfer
to
the
fleet
fund
for
fire
apparatus.
B
J
Thank
you,
madam
sir
chief,
there
was
a
question
in
the
staff
report
about
recovering
false
recoveries
from
working
with
the
university
of
utah.
Has
that
been
ongoing
every
year?
We
if
we
have
that
and
we
just
don't,
really
charge
them
or
it's
too
hard,
or
it's
not
a
lot
of
money.
M
Answer
question
is
number
one
council
member
doing
yes,
we
do
incur
cost
well,
I
do
have
the
data
we
we
go
on
approximately
1200
of
those
calls
annually
and
we've
attached
the
cost
to
that.
If
you
attach
an
hourly
cost
to
a
roam
like
that,
it's
over
a
million
dollars
of
funds
attributed
to
fire
crews
that
are
going
out
on
those
responses.
M
The
second
part
of
your
question:
are
we
recovering
that
right?
Now
I
don't
have
any
means
to
charge
the
university.
We
do
not
have
that
system
set
up.
I
haven't
been
authorized
to
do
so,
but
it
has
been
a
recent
conversation
with
the
council.
I
think,
last
year,
specifically,
council
member
rogers
brought
that
up.
I
said
I
would
get
those
numbers
I
have
them
now.
M
So
now
it's
just
a
matter
of
how
do
we
go
about
recouping
those
and
do
we
want
to
recoup
those?
I
guess
is
a
rhetorical
question.
I
would
love
to
recoup
those,
but.
K
G
Do
we
do
we
do
offer
free
service?
Sorry,
madam
chair,
do
we
offer
free
services
like
this
to
other
well.
K
I
think,
in
a
way,
any
property
that
doesn't
pay
property
taxes
is
getting
that
free
service,
the
church
office
building,
probably
the
other
big
user
right,
and
I
think
that
that's
the
challenge
of
having
half
of
our
city
be
tax
exempt
to
either
educational
or
or
religious,
and
so
the
university
is
a
really
obvious
example,
because
it's
a
campus
with
a
ton
of
people
living
on
it
but
westminster,
for
example,
wouldn't
pay
for
any
calls
that
show
up
there.
K
I
think
that
the
university
is
unique
in
that
it
has
such
a
quantifiable
impact
right,
it's
a
little
easier
to
quantify
than
you
know.
A
downtown
office
building
might
be
where
you
know.
Maybe
you
have
some
years
or
higher
volume
than
other
years.
K
So
I
don't
know
it's
it's
an
interesting,
it's
something
that
we
constantly
struggle
with
in
terms
of
tax
exempt
properties
and
how
to
recoup
the
stress
that
they
put
on
the
systems
right,
because
it's
not
just
fire
calls
it's
all
the
road
driving
that
you
know
all
the
people
who
work
at
the
university
do,
and
you
know
that
kind
of
thing.
So
there's
no
perfect
solution
for
that.
Yet
yet.
M
Definitely
council,
member
morris,
we,
the
fact,
is:
we
respond
to
virtually
every
anyone
that
calls
free
of
charge.
The
only
reimbursement
we
currently
do
cost
reimbursement
is
when
we
have
a
hazardous
materials
call,
for
instance,
and
we
use
a
lot
of
special
specialty
equipment
specialized
suits
which
are
very
expensive
to
the
fire
department
and
those
reimbursements
are
a
soft
bill,
as
we
say
so,
a
lot
of
times
we'll
build
the
the
company
and
say
it's
a
chemical
company,
we'll
build
them
for
those
costs.
Sometimes
we're
reimbursed
oftentimes.
M
We
are
not
and
then
it
ends
there,
but
virtually
all
the
other
entities
that
we
respond
to
are
free
of
charge.
That
includes,
as
jennifer,
said,
the
church
and
includes
westminster,
including
includes
the
university
of
utah
and
yeah.
I
mean
there's,
there's
a
lot
of
funds
there,
a
lot
of
hours,
a
lot
of
time
that
the
firefighters
are
on
scene,
that
they're
unavailable
for
another
emergency.
M
So
that
is
the
case,
but
we
currently
do
not
do
not
expect
reimbursement
for
the
vast
majority
of
our
customers.
B
Darren
one
moment
please
cindy
popped
on
cindy.
Did
you
want
to
add
something
real,
quick
before.
L
One
is
another
reason
the
university
is
unique
is
that
they
are
providing
their
own
police
service,
so
they
fund
their
police
service
and
the
city,
taxpayers
fund,
the
fire
and
emergency
medical
services,
so
so
that
is
unique
and
that
some
council
members
in
the
past
have
thought
that
that
could
help
open
up
the
conversation
with
the
university
and
then
the
second
thing
is
there
is
an
ordinance
that
I
believe
requires
the
department
to
bill
for
those
certain
hazardous
materials
categories,
and
it
sounds
like
maybe
that
ordinance
needs
to
be
updated,
because
if
they're
billing,
but
not
getting
any
response,
then
maybe
we
if
the
council
wanted
to.
L
We
could
look
at
that.
I
know
there
have
been
a
number
of
hazardous
calls.
Hazardous
material
calls
related
to
the
university
and
research
park
over
the
years.
Then
chief
can
correct
me
if
that's
wrong,
but.
L
Yeah
and
also
the
city
rda
is
looking
at
the
possibility
of
collaborating
with
research
park.
Research
park
is
also
part
of
this.
They
do
pay
property
tax
to
some
extent,
but
but
but
they
are,
you
could
reference
them
in
the
conversation.
N
I'm
I
I
appreciate
that
we're
starting
this
conversation,
it's
kind
of
a
new
thought,
but
one
question
just
for
my,
so
I
understand
how
the
pieces
go
together.
Do
we
collect
sales
tax
from
from
concessions
on
the
university
of
tech
campus
or
at
the
stadium,
or
anything
like
that?.
K
Not
typically
as
a
tax-exempt
institution,
I
believe
that
covers
most
things,
although
I
could
double
check
and
make
sure
that
there's
not
some
nuance
there.
There
are
taxes
on
for-profit
activities
and
that's
what
cindy
was
referencing
with
regard
to
research
park,
to
the
extent
that
it's
for-profit
institutions
but
yeah
I'd
have
to
double
check
on
the
on
the
concessions,
because
that
that
would
seem
to
be
a
revenue
making
business
but
probably
not
like
the
bookstore.
For
example,.
K
Yeah
and
we've
done
analysis
before
about,
like
you
know,
someone
who
works
at
the
university
might
be
inclined
to
buy
lunch.
You
know
off
campus
or
go
downtown
and
spend
a
little
money,
but
the
amount
of
money
they'd
have
to
spend
to
offset
the
cost
of
services
for
that
person
to
occupy
the
city
is
quite
quite
high.
N
Great
yeah,
I
mean
I
think
this
conversation
is
worth
starting
with
those
partners,
but
I
mean
I
guess
I
also
do
want
to
understand
that
the
university
is
a
partner
to
the
city
in
a
lot
of
ways,
and
I
think
it's
good
for
the
city
that
we
have
the
university.
Of
course.
I
don't.
I'm
sure
everybody
agrees
with
that,
but
so
you
know
we
have
to
make
sure
that
we
are
treating
them
as
partners,
but
yeah.
It
makes
sense
for
us
to
start
this
conversation
thanks.
B
B
We'll
move
on
to
item
number
six,
and
that
is
our
legislative
intents
and
interim
studied
items
just
so
we're
we
are
early
a
little
bit
and
then,
after
this
we'll
take
a
little
break
because
then
we're
getting
into
unresolved
issues,
I
feel
like
we
all
need
a
little
break
before
we
get
there.
So
I
will
turn
the
time
over
to
allison
to
go
through
our
prior
legislative
intents.
H
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
This
is
just
for
the
newer
council
members
and
maybe
the
the
ones
who
for
whom
budget
season
is
a
blur,
which
is
certainly
true
for
some
of
us
staff.
This
is
one
of
two
briefings
that
the
council
holds,
on
the
legislative
intents
during
the
budget
session
or
sorry
during
the
budget
season
on
thursday.
H
So
this
year
the
administration
provided
responses
to
the
fy21
legislative
intent
statements
that
the
council
adopted
in
fy21
in
the
mayor's
recommended
budget.
But
unlike
previous
years,
I'm
sorry,
my
notes
are
just
really
bad.
I
better,
I
better
just
add
live
so
the
the
administration
responded
to
the
fy
21
legislative
intent
in
the
mayor's
recommended
budget,
but
there
was
a
transmittal
sent
on
may
28th,
which
included
the
administration's
responses
to
the
previous
years,
that
is
previous
to
fiscal
year.
21's
responses.
H
So
there
were
two
separate.
There
are
two
separate
places
to
look
for
the
originals
of
those
legislative
intents
and
their
responses.
B
I
think
what
we
can
do
is
go
through
just
fiscal
year,
21's
legislative
intents
and
just
the
ones
that
are
march
open
right
now
and
then,
if,
if
there's
something
as
we're
having
this
discussion,
the
council
members
are
looking
through
and
are
like.
Oh
wait.
I
have
a
question
about
this
other
thing.
Then
we
can
go
there,
but
let's
start
just
with
the
ones
that
are
open
in
fiscal
year.
21.
H
Okay-
and
I
believe
bobby-
has
actually
a
list
of
the
basically
the
titles
of
each
of
the
legislative
intents
and
then
the
staff
assessment.
It
doesn't
include
the
response
from
the
administration,
but
this
is
just
to
help
you
follow
along,
so
the
first
one
for
fy21
would
be
the
police,
a
reassessment
of
the
police
department
role
and
the
staff
recommends
that
that
remain
open.
H
The
second
is
the
police
department
zero-based
budget
exercise.
We
recommend
that
also
remain
open,
cares
act.
Funding
our
recommendation
is
to
close
and
complete.
H
H
That
would
be
close
and
continue.
G
is
cip
and
county
transportation
funds
close
and
continue
h,
communicating
impact
of
budget
whoa.
I
can't
read
sorry:
the
screen
was
moving
according
to
getting
impact
of
budget
reductions
close
and
complete.
H
H
Right
n
is
calculate
rda
legislation
impacts,
the
full
intent
is
written
below,
and
staff
suggests
that
remain
open
and
finally
o
for
a
decriminal
decriminalization
review
of
city
code,
and
that
too
would
remain
open
and
that's
all
of
the
fy
21
legislative.
Intents
great.
B
Thank
you,
council
members,
do
you
have
questions
on
the
fiscal
year
21
legislative
intents
or
any
of
them?
B
So
one
of
the
things
that
I
noticed
from
the
legislative
intent
fy20
is
the
so
I
kind
of
am
trying
to
consolidate
our
legislative
intents
and
the
park.
Ranger
program
was
in
the
open
schedule
of
discussion
on
this
and
we
also
have
a
legislative
intent
up
in
fy
21
part
a
where
we're
talking
about
the
police
department
role.
B
So
I
think
that
and
the
and
the
park
rangers
are
mentioned
there,
so
I
think
like
it
feels
like
we
can
take
it
off
the
fy
20
list
and
just
we
know
it's
in
the
fy
21
list,
and
we
need
to
have
a
discussion
on
that.
I
believe
we
probably
will
continue
having
discussions
on
that
as
we
continue
with
the
budget.
So
there's
that
one
and
there
was
another
one
and
I
wrote
it
down.
B
The
other
thing
I
want
to
just
briefly
say
is:
if
katie
lewis
is
on
here,
I
just
want
to
like
grab
you
and
kiss
you,
because
I'm
so
excited
about
the
legislative
intent.
Oh
and
then
we're
gonna
have
some
law
students
working
on
that
code
and
that
project.
So
thank
you
for
that,
because
I
think
it's
gonna
be
beneficial
as
we
continue
our
talks
about
criminal
justice
and
all
of
the
things
that
we've
been
talking
about
for
the
last
18
months.
So
thank
you.
Thank
you.
B
That
was
exciting
to
read
last
night
when
I
was
preparing,
so
that's
I
don't
know
council
members
do
you
feel
the
need
to
go
through
any
of
the
other
legislative
intents
from
there's
a
few
questions
here.
Oh
the
other
thing
I
was
going
to
mention
is
yes.
I
do
think
we
should
schedule
a
briefing
for
the
housing
trust
fund
discussion,
obviously
after
the
budget
july's,
probably
already
filling
up.
So
maybe
we
can
look
at
like
an
august
agenda
to
have
some
clarification
there.
B
B
G
G
Can
you
would
it
be
okay
to
to
share
that
last,
the
21
legislative
intent
powerpoint
page.
G
G
So
valencia,
when,
when
do
we
expect
to
like
talk
about
this
once
again
like?
Do
we
have
like
a
system
already
when
about
revisiting
this
intentions,
that
we
have.
K
I
opened
it
up,
I
say
now
is
our
now
is
our
main
time
to
talk
about
it?
We
do
as
staff
try
to
highlight
the
legislative
intents
when
we
talk
about
each
department
that
they're
related
to
so
to
the
extent
that
there
is
a
changing
program
or
whatever
we'll
reference
that
in
the
staff
report.
But
this
is
that
time.
B
H
And
I
should
also
mention
so
this
is
the
time
to
talk
to
to
make
these
changes
for
the
fy
22
budget
there
in
typical
years.
There
are
some
other
opportunities
throughout
the
year
to
get
updates
and
discuss
a
little
bit
more
on
these,
but
but
as
jennifer
and
and
chair
fowler
mentioned.
This
is
the
time
to
really
get
this
stuff
done.
K
There's
also
a
section
in
the
unresolved
I'll
add
to
allison's
there's
also
a
section
in
the
unresolved
issues:
staff
report
about
potential
new
and
then
I'll
add
in
consolidated
legislative
intents.
I
think
there
might
be
one
coming
up
for
fiscal
year,
22
that
could
pull
the
park
ranger
thing
into
just
thinking.
So
that's
another
opportunity
to
discuss
those
forward-looking
ones.
G
Oh
man,
well
I
I
I
I
think
I
guess
my
I'll
start
I'll
start
with
saying
sooner
than
later,
like
on
certain
some
of
these
ones.
That
you
know
are
more
fresh
in
our
minds,
but
then
we
have,
after
we
finish
with
the
budget.
Then
we
have
like
about
five
months
of
working
and
the
legislative
you
know
session
starts
and
then
we
get
super
busy
with
that
as
well.
So.
H
And
all
of
the
emergencies
that
went
on
meant
that
2020
was
or
well
the
fy21
budget
was
a
completely
unusual
year
because
there
weren't
any
interim
briefings
the
first
scheduled
briefing
is
typically
in
august
or
september
after
the
budget.
So
it's
it's
still
several
months
away,
but
the
idea
is
to
work
on
those
recently
adopted
legislative
intents
before
they
get
too
far
from
everyone's
mind.
Just
to
make
sure
that
in
the
heat
of
the
budget,
there
isn't
anything
adopted
that
might
be
unreasonable,
unclear
something
departments
already
do
so.
H
We
try
to
straighten
that
out
in
august
or
september
and
then
there's
another
interim
briefing
in
typically
january
or
february,
and
it's
scheduled
to
coincide
with
budget
amendment
three
or
four.
But
as
you'll
recall
in
the
past
year,
we've
had
like
45
budget
amendments,
maybe
not
that
many,
but
very
many
nine
and
so
the
so
that
timing
was
also
off
this
year.
H
B
Allison
I'll
just
add
for
the
future,
for
fy
22
is
the
golf
food
and
beverage
options
which
we
say
is
open.
So
I
think
that
we'll
just
keep
at
we'll
add
that
to
fy22
right
because,
as
you
mentioned
in
the
staff
report
with
covent
hitting,
I
mean
everything's
changed,
but
I
think
it's
now
an
opportunity
for
us
to
look
at
re-looking
at
the
concession
stands
and
what
we're
doing
there
or
the
concession,
the
snack
shops
and-
and
we
we
talk
about-
and
this
is
something
I
was.
B
H
Well-
and
we
can
certainly
add
that
you
know
another
question
you
might
want
to
consider-
is
there
are
a
couple
there's
at
least
one
other
golf
related
intent
here
several
years
back,
it
might
be
possible
to
consolidate
all
of
those
into
a
single
intent
and
then
maybe
work
on
some
briefings.
E
N
O
N
I
would
based
on
what
it
sounds
like
I
I
would
say
that
having,
for
instance,
a
future
briefing
about
all
the
legislative
retention
related
to
golf,
or
maybe
doing
it
all
the
ones
related
to
public
lands
or
doing
one
all
legislative
intent
briefing
for
everything
related
to
police
or
fire,
whatever
would
be,
would
make
more
sense
than
another
briefing
where
we're
trying
to
discuss
all
of
them,
because
I
guess
it
just
seems
like
the
discussing
the
whole
city.
N
The
legislative
intent
for
the
whole
city
feels,
like
maybe
overwhelming,
but
if
we
were
to
do
like
the
four
golf
legislative
intents,
that
would
be
like
a
really
nice
sort
of
bite-sized
piece.
I
think.
H
Yeah,
I
can
certainly
do
more
to
organize
them
thematically
rather
than
chronologically,
and
that
may
help
I
mean
we
may
be
able
to
achieve
both
those
goals
because
remember
mono,.
A
B
Let's
see
what
time
do
we
have
here?
Five
o'clock?
We
really
are
an
hour
almost
an
hour
ahead,
so
we're
not
taking
an
hour
long
break,
don't
get
your
hopes
up,
kids,
but
we
will
take
a
little
break
before
we
get
to
unresolved
issues,
because
I
think
that
we
actually
need
to
spend.
We
may
need
to
spend
a
little
bit
more.
It
may
take
a
little
bit
longer
than
the
30
minutes.
B
I
A
A
A
A
K
Thanks,
madam
chair,
just
to
draw
the
council's
attention
to
the
latest
version
of
the
very
very
long
list,
so
you
can
start
getting
acquainted
with
it
for
our
next
discussion
and
I
sent
it
to
mayor
as
well
at
4
13
today,
an
email
so
we'll
have
that
latest
version
posted
in
the
packets
for
the
thursday
meeting.
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
you
guys
knew
where
to
look
for
the
latest
version
of
it.
K
So
you
could
begin
thinking
and
asking
questions,
but
before
we
get
into
the
detailed
spreadsheet,
what
we
talked
about
with
the
chair
and
vice
chair
is
going
over
some
of
the
sort
of
general
themes
of
unresolved
issues,
since
they
kind
of
all
seem
to
fall
into
a
couple
categories.
K
K
In
the
mayor's
recommended
budget,
there
was
10
million
dollars
for
revenue
and
about
4.1
million
in
expenses
proposed
mayor
had
to
put
together
the
budget
before
any
guidance
was
received.
We
got
some
initial
guidance
in
mid-may,
but
it
won't
even
be
finalized
until
mid-july,
so
we're
a
little
bit
flying
blind.
I'm
not
totally
blind,
but
you
know
sort
of
in
adopting
the
budget,
but
operating
with
the
best
guidance
that
we
have.
K
So
that's
1.4
million
that
the
council
can
recognize
as
additional
revenue
kind
of
in
that
same
category
is
something
you
discussed
in
the
budget
amendment
earlier
tonight,
so
I
won't
go
into
it,
but
it's
essentially
using
those
arpa
dollars
to
backfill
the
fund
balance
for
those
bonuses
that
were
given
to
frontline
employees
in
the
earlier
in
the
year
or
approved
earlier
in
the
year.
K
So
as
staff.
Sometimes
we
can
figure
everything
out
in
advance
of
the
council's
budget
adoption
and
we
can
adopt
things
that
we're
really
clear
on
as
being
eligible.
So
things
like
the
youth
and
family
program
that
are
clearly
tied
to
covid
recovery,
but
one
option
that
we've
been
discussing
with
some
council
members
is
to
the
extent
that
we
can't
say
with
certainty
that
something
is
or
is
not
eligible
for
arpa
dollars.
K
We
could
put
those
dollars
in
a
holding
account
and
come
back
to
them
at
a
later
point
in
the
budget
year
in
a
budget
amendment.
So
we
have
asked
the
attorney's
office
and
finance
a
list
of
probably
20
different
things
that
have
been
suggested
by
board
members
and
the
public
and
things
about
you
know,
is
this
eligible?
Is
that
eligible?
K
So
there's
no
shortage
of
ideas
of
how
to
use
the
money
it's
a
matter
of
when
to
make
that
decision
when
to
use
it
and
then
the
balancing
tradeoffs,
just
like
in
balancing
the
general
fund,
is
there's
usually
more
ideas
than
there
are
funds
available.
So
we'll
keep
that
in
mind,
you'll
notice
on
the
spreadsheet.
K
It
notes
where
initial
guidance
decide
says
it
is
eligible
or
initial
guidance
says
it
is
not
eligible
and
then
there's
a
separate
column
tracking
those
arpa
dollars
so
that
we
can
make
sure
not
to
accidentally
like
co-mingle
things,
if
that
makes
sense,
so
send
any
questions.
Our
way
on
that
do.
Council
members
have
any
questions.
I
don't
know.
Madam
chair,
do
you
want
me
to
go
through
all
the
themes,
or
should
we
pause
and
ask
questions
sort
of
with
each
category
of
stuff.
B
K
For
that
particular
category,
so
it's
what's
called
a
revenue
loss
category,
so
the
actual
revenue
that
we
can
determine
that
we
lost
due
to
covid
so
rather
than
that
line
item
being
10
million
dollars.
That
line
item
can
be
11.4
million
dollars
and
because
the
mayor's
recommended
budget
was
balanced
with
the
10
million.
Essentially
that's
on
the
table
for
the
council
to
consider.
H
K
L
Just
when
jennifer
says,
when
jennifer
used,
the
word
consider
that's
the
same
as
allocate
or
spend
so
you
that's
one
point:
1.1
million
dollars,
1.4
that
can
be
used
to
fill
the
other
of
many
gaps
that
you
have
in
the
budget.
Some
people
are
interested
in
adding
to
cip.
Others
are
interested
in
filling
some
of
the
positions
that
aren't
eligible
for
the
federal
funding,
so
that
money
goes
in
a
column
for
you
to
decide
whether
you
would
like
to
use
it
later.
K
Yes,
it's
one
time,
one
time
for
the
next
like
two
years.
K
I
think
that
what
mary
beth
will
actually
be
able
to
do
is
track
revenue
loss
from
this
current
year
and
there's
actually
quite
a
bit
from
this
current
year.
So
it's
sort
of
the
same
as
the
10
million
figure
in
this
year's
budget
is
actually
relating
to
the
revenue
that
was
lost
the
previous
year
that
she's
been
able
to
figure
out,
but
because
our
current
fiscal
year
is
not
closed,
yet
you
know
not
technically
until
like
september.
I
think-
and
I
got
a
thumbs
up
for
mary
beth.
It's
always
a
good
sign.
B
It
so
are
there
questions
on
the
arpa
funding.
If
you
look
at
jennifer's
amazing
spreadsheet,
you
know
there's
she
sort
of
highlighted.
B
What's
not
eligible,
I
don't
know
if
we
want
to
talk
about
some
of
those
things,
because
a
lot
of
those
that
are
not
and
if
I
think
we
should
talk
about
the
suggestion
that
jennifer
made
or-
and
I
don't
know
if
it's
a
suggestion
rather
than
the
information
provided
given
some
of
the
discussions
that
have
been
had-
that
you
know
there's
this
idea
we
have
talked
to
staff
about
it-
is
approving
and
funding
those
things
that
we
just
know
need
to
continue
and
then
putting
everything
kind
of
in
a
holding
account
like.
B
Of
course,
we
want
to
approve
the
11.4
million
dollars
of
revenue
loss
because
we
need
that,
because
we've
budgeted
almost
all
of
it
already,
but
maybe
some
of
the
ftes
that
aren't
eligible
and
that
we
may
not
need
right
this.
Second,
we
can
put
that
money
in
a
holding
account
and
look
at
it
and
then
see
if
there's
other
things
that
are
eligible
and
and
kind
of
shuffle,
it's
like
a
clam
shuffle
in
some
ways.
So
that's
one
idea.
L
An
example
of
something
that
you
would
fund,
probably
on
an
urgent
basis,
you'd
want
to
get
adopted
in
this
budget,
is
an
ongoing
program
like
the
youth
family
program.
So
that's
a
program
that
is
already
ongoing.
It's
recommended
for
additional
funding,
so
you
would
want
continuity
in
that
program.
You
want
to
get
that
appropriated
so
that
it
can
continue
on
july
1st
without
a
hitch,
but
there
are
some
other
things
that
you
could
wait
until
you
have
all
of
the
information
you'd
like.
K
And
you
know
to
be
clear:
it's
on
the
arpa
funding
and
whether
it's
eligible
or
not
eligible
that's
kind
of
what
you
want
to
go
through.
K
And
let's
put
a
giant
asterisk
on
all
this
that
it's
like
initially
the
initial
review
right,
so
that
if
the
information
changes
tomorrow,
I
know
that
it
could
okay,
so
I'll
go
through
it
as
it
is
presented
in
the
spreadsheet.
So
that's
if
you're
wanting
to
follow
along.
That's
where
I'm
looking
so
the
first
is
in
well.
Let's
see,
first
is
the
revenue
which
we
know
is
eligible.
That's
in
the
revenue
section,
that's
now,
11.4
million
next
is
in
the
community
and
neighborhoods
department.
K
The
special
projects
the
system
is
in
this
kind
of
gray
area.
Category
initial
review
is
that
it's
only
eligible
if
it's
focused
on
rental
assistance,
the
discussions
with
the
department
haven't
been
haven't
sort
of
landed
on
a
in
a
clear
place.
If
the
rental
assistance
aspect
would
be
the
full,
a
full-time
need
or
if
they
have
other
needs
that
are
full-time,
that
aren't,
that
aren't
quite
arpa
eligible,
and
so
I
think
I
think
that
that
position
is
probably
leaning
towards
the
category
of
not
eligible.
K
L
Madam
chair,
sometimes
when
we're
going
through
lists
like
this
council
members
who
are
interested,
could
ask
to
have
a
star
put
on
something
so
that
it's
it
to
tell
us
that
it's
something
they're
interested
in
talking
more
about
later.
Is
it
okay?
If
we
ask
for
that
on
this
list,.
B
K
K
So
yeah,
so
if,
if
council
members
were
interested
in
the
planners
as
a
follow-up
from
that
work
session
discussion,
those
lines
of
this
is
what
a
planning
manager
costs.
This
is
what
three
senior
planners
would
cost
three
principal
planners,
one
admin
support
person
and
then
an
operational
budget,
and
so
each
of
those
line
items
are
separated,
but
I
believe
the
way
planning
sees
it
is
that
they
need
all
of
them,
so
that
total
is
887
000
for
a
full
year
of
funding.
K
K
And
then
the
planners
we
already
got
transportation,
sorry
transportation,
right-of-way
utilization
manager
is
not
eligible.
What
is
that
I
would
defer
to
can
on
that?
I
think
like.
O
Hello,
that
rule
is
essentially
an
fte
that
would
be
a
planner
within
the
transportation
division
that
oversees
our
contracts
with
the
awarded
scooter.
K
Okay,
then,
the
two
items
that
are
eligible
are
the
youth
and
family
community
program
manager
and
the
youth
and
family
programming
continuation
itself,
okay
I'll
skip
to.
If
there's
no
other
questions
economic
development
most
of
the
additions
in
the
economic,
sorry,
councilmember
wharton
did
you
say
something.
E
Yeah
so
which
which
one
of
the
ones
in
youth
and
family
are
funded
because,
like
you
said
there
were
some
that
are.
E
E
K
Gotcha,
then,
in
economic
development,
all
of
the
additions
in
economic
development
were
proposed
with
arpa
dollars,
so
some
are
eligible.
Some
are
not
so
three
ftes
for
the
arts.
Council
are
not
eligible.
That
would
that's
primarily
due
to
the
fact
that
we
don't
run
performing
arts
venues.
Arpa
dollars
are
eligible
for
performing
arts
venues,
but
it's
just
a
little
bit
more
of
a
challenge
when
the
county
essentially
is
who
staffs
those
not
eligible
is
one
fte
business
and
cultural
districts.
K
K
Another
item
that's
eligible
is
economic
development
staff.
If
they're
focused
on
recovery
needed-
and
I
put
a
more
information
needed
next
to
that-
because
I
think
we
need
we
just
haven't-
had
time
to
talk
with
the
administration
about
exactly
exactly
what
that
looks.
Like
one
item
that
was
in
that's
not
eligible
is
tech,
lake
city
and
then
another
item
that
is
not
eligible
is
the
construction
mitigation.
B
You
have
a
note
here
about
if
it's
focused
on
small
business
recovery
loans,
so
first
off
the
construction
mitigation
would
be
200
000
just
is
it
almost
like
a
gap
financing
in
some
ways
because
of
the
increase
in
construction
costs?
So
this.
K
Is
this
we
actually,
the
initial
thoughts
are
that
this
is
not
eligible
right
right.
One
question
was
if
it
was
focused
on
small
business
recovery
specifically,
could
it
migrate
to
that
eligible
category?
We
haven't
gotten
information
yet
to
indicate
that
that's
either
a
thing
you
know.
I
think
that
there's
something
about
creating
a
program
that
the
administration
wasn't
expecting
administering
and
you
know
I
think
that
there's
challenges
just
logistically
with
that
and
so
wanting
to
allow
more
time
for
that.
B
N
I
was
just
wondering
if
we
I
could
get
a
couple
sentences
on
the
tech
lake
city,
what
that
was
intended
to
do
and
do
why
it
was
included
or
why
we
might
want
to
find
other
funding
for
it.
I'm
interested,
I
don't
really
understand
it.
K
If
anyone
I
see
ben
is
on
ben
colander's
on
if
anyone
from
economic
development
wants
to
respond
to
that
or
we
can
follow
up.
If
oh,
yes,.
F
All
right
yeah,
thank
you
for
the
question.
Councilmember.
At
a
high
level,
we
have
been
looking
to
our
healthcare
innovation
industry
as
a
recovery
tool
in
terms
of
the
industry
itself
and
planning
within
that
industry.
For.
N
Economic
mobility
for
our
residents,
so
repurposing
our
workforce
to
pipeline
them
into
a
more
mobile
workforce
that
pays
greater
wages
than
they
may
have
been
in
before
so
as
a
part
of
this
planning
process.
This
is
an
additional
phase
of
what
we're
doing
right
now,
with
our
with
our
with
our
planning.
E
J
K
And
from
ben's
description,
maybe
maybe
we
can
do
another
round
of
review
of
I
mean
it
sounds
like
that
description
is
more
covered.
Recovery
focused,
maybe
there's
a
way
to
frame
it
that
way,
and
so
maybe
it's
worth
another
round
of
review
of
if
it's
eligible,
and
this
is
kind
of
what
I'm
talking
about
like.
K
Sometimes
we
just
need
a
little
more
time
to
formulate
the
program
to
fit
within
the
parameters
of
the
federal
grant
dollars,
and
so,
if
we
can't
get
it
figured
out
in
the
next
week,
I
think
that
that's
that's
where
one
of
those
ideas
like
a
holding
account
may
come
in
handy
as
we
figure
out
the
program
detail,
but
we'll
work
with
the
admin
on
that.
K
Are
we
good?
Okay?
Moving
on
to
finance,
two
ftes
were
proposed
to
be
funded
in
finance
that
are
grant
eligible
and
just
to
be
clear.
Madam
chair,
I'm
not
going
through
every
line
item
I'm
going
through
just
the
arpa
line
items.
So
if
people
are
confused
like
why
didn't
you
bring
up
that?
That's
fine,
the
two
positions
that
are
grant
eligible
are
the
grant
administrator
and
grant
manager.
K
We,
the
city,
received
some
guidance
from
the
lobbyists
in
dc
that
it
is
very
much
within
the
it's
very
much
in
the
city's
interest
to
have
a
full-time
position,
tracking
and
reporting
and
making
sure
we
don't
run
crosswise
with
the
government
because
we
like
to
keep
a
good
reputation.
K
So
luckily
those
are
grant
eligible,
meaning
the
grant
itself
can
help
pay
for
the
tracking
of
two
items
that
are
not
eligible
are
amex
card
merchant
fees
and
a
business
analyst
and
overall
financial
finance
department.
Business
analyst.
E
B
E
And
I
hope
you
can
hear
me
so
I'm
gonna
talk
really
loud.
Yes,
we
we
requested
both
of
them.
We
thought
that
maybe
a
business
analyst
would
be
able
to
help
us
with
the
development.
B
E
Maybe
if
you'd
like
me
to
think
about
that,
I
would
be
happy
to
do
so.
B
B
N
Yeah,
I
don't
know
if
jennifer
was
going
to
get
to
this
at
some
point,
but
I
think
that
concept
of
having
ftes
that
are
imagined
to
sunset
with
the
sun
setting
of
the
grant
is
something
that
I'm
interested
in.
I
I
would
be
interested
in
maybe
hr's
perspective
as
to
whether
that
would
make
it
hard
to
hire
those
positions
if,
like
people,
wouldn't
apply
for
them
if
they
are
advertised
as
temporary.
N
But
I
do
think
that
I
guess
there's
a
really
broad
general
stroke
at
the
budget,
I'm
interested
in
a
lot
of
the
things
that
are
proposed
in
terms
of
ftes.
I
think
they
they
would
all
be
good
for
the
city
in
general
and
if
the
more
fiscally
responsible
thing
to
do
is
to
say,
let's
hire
those
with
but
say
that
they're
positions
that
would
sunset
if
the
funding
doesn't
continue
or
if
the
general
fund
doesn't
increase
enough
to
capture
those.
N
That
seems
like
a
way
that
we're
being
responsible,
but
also
being
honest
to
the
people
that
we're
hiring,
but
if
that
means
that
we're
not
gonna
get
the
right
people
applying
for
it,
then
that
I
mean
I'm
just
that's
the
part
that
I
don't
quite
understand
so,
but
in
general
I
think
that
idea
of
what
you
just
said
of
having
positions
that
are
intended
to
sunset,
assuming
it
doesn't
have
an
unintended
consequence
that
I
don't
understand,
seems
like
a
good
way
to
go
in
in
this
year.
B
I
think
another
thing
we
can
look
at
and
maybe
we
could
talk
to
finance
and
and
can
is
you
know.
I
know
that
we
have
other
grants
and
like,
for
example,
our
hud
dollars
or
other
grants
that
we're
looking
at
and
it,
and
there
may
be-
maybe
not
maybe
there's
a
way
to
initially
fund
a
grant
administrator
through
arpa,
but
then
with
the
understanding
that
when
arpa
ends
that
their
job
description
may
change
to
include
other
grants
that
the
city
does
right.
B
N
K
Great
just
real
quick,
I
want
to
revisit
the
can
special
projects
coordinator.
My
apologies,
can
the
can
department
did
give
us
quite
a
bit
of
information
about
what
a
position
like
this
could
do.
It
wasn't
immediately
clear
to
me,
but
I
hadn't
had
time
monday
holiday,
always
messes
me
up.
There's
all
this
work.
K
I
intend
to
do
on
mondays,
and
so
maybe
blake
can
help
clarify
that,
if
that,
if
that
fte
is
focused
on
the
community
commitment
program,
that
that's
something
that
can
needs
and
would
be
eligible,
that's
like
a
really
distilled
way
to
say
it.
Sorry
if
I'm
mucking
it
up.
First.
O
Thanks
jennifer
yeah
the
intention
for
that
request
that
one
fte
would
be
tied
to
the
community
commitment
program.
So
it's
been
a
really
successful
program
that
I
appreciate
the
mayor
and
council
approving
and
getting
off
the
ground,
and
our
hope
is
that
it
would
be
our
eligible.
O
We
know
that
rental
assistance
is,
but
I
this
position
just
to
clarify
would
be
focused
on
the
community
commitment
program,
the
help
that
we
need
for
our
resource
fairs
and
other
associated
duties
with
the
program
thanks
thanks
for
bringing
that
up.
K
Sure
thing,
I'm
sorry
for
the
misunderstanding:
okay,
so
next
in
fire,
the
eligible
expenses
in
fire
are
for
six
months
of
funding
for
an
expanded
medical
response
team.
We
discussed
that
earlier
in
the
fire
department
budget
briefing
and
I'm
just
throwing
this
out
there.
I
think
that
you
know
if
to
the
extent
that
there
are
you
know
extra
arpa
dollars.
You
could
look
at
the
timing
of
that
program.
K
I
think
that
the
chief
didn't
necessarily
see
it
as
like
an
emergency
situation
that
needed
to
start
right
on
july
1,
but
that's
up
for
discussion.
I
guess,
then,
let's
see
nothing
in
hr,
nothing
in
police,
although
police
related
one
thing
we've
asked
about,
is
if
any
of
the
body,
camera
or
technology
equipment
for
police
are
arpa
eligible,
because
so
much
other
public
safety
response
stuff
is
eligible.
So
we've
asked
for
clarification
on
that.
K
So
in
public
services,
two
line
items
that
are
not
eligible
are
one
fte
for
forest
pressure,
forest
preservation
and
growth,
including
equipment,
so
that's
not
eligible
and
then
another
is
forest
preservation
and
growth.
One-Time
funds.
J
So
I'm
interested
in
the
first
one,
the
219,
but
do
we
need
the
second
one
and
what's
the
addition
there,
I'm
I'm
open
to
discussion.
I
guess
I'm
open
to
looking
at
him,
but
not
sure.
If
I
we
need
him
or.
E
Kristen
hi
so
yeah
this
position.
There
is
one
fte,
and
this
is
a
tree
preservation
service
coordinator.
L
And
this
position.
E
Would
help
bolster
the
development
plan
review
for
site
inspections
to
better
ensure
that
cities
trees
are
protected
during
construction
activities
and
also
to.
L
The
tree
purchase
for
a
thousand
trees
additional
each
year
and
then
operational
expenses.
And
then
there
is
a
one-time
purchase
of.
K
Okay,
that.
K
One
is
an
apprenticeship
program,
there's
a
million
dollars
to
continue
the
city's
apprenticeship
program,
and
I
think
that
the
focus
would
have
to
be
re-employment,
which
is
probably
consistent
with
the
goals
of
the
program.
Anyway,
one
council
member,
I
think
councilmember
rogers,
framed
it
as
re-employment
from
unemployed
high
school
students
to
trained
workers.
So
I
think
that
there's
probably
ways
to
frame
that
program
and
keep
the
original
intent,
and
that,
I
think,
is
it.
Unless
someone
sees
something
that
I
missed.
B
L
B
B
K
Okay,
I
don't
see
any
other
questions
on
that
section
and
we'll
keep
that
discussion
open
for
thursday,
so
the
next
sort
of
theme
that
we're
tracking
or
watching
for
the
council-
and
we
don't
have
like
a
specific
line
item
for
it.
I
wouldn't
say,
but
it's
this
theme
of
diversifying
public
safety
response,
and
it
could
be
everything
from
the
social
worker
program
that
the
city
already
has
going
and
that
I
have
I've
heard
some
council
members
want
to
expand
either
more
hours
of
the
day
or
24
hours
a
day.
K
Everything
from
that
to
the
mrt
to
park
rangers
to
the
idea
forwarded
in
the
matrix
proposal
and
that
some
other
cities
are
also
looking
out
of
this,
like
civilian
response
office
model.
I
think
that,
because
there's
so
much
to
work
out
with
regard
to
administrative
reporting
channels,
it's
likely
that
this
will
be
a
very
long
discussion
with
the
administration
anyway
about
where
things
like
that
should
live
departmentally.
K
How
many
reasons
how
many
ftes
they
need,
how
many
resources,
and
so
in
another
theme
of
the
holding
account
this
year,
is
that
if
the
council
wanted
to
set
aside
money
to
make
that
intention
clear
that
could
be.
You
know
in
addition
to,
if
the
council
funded
additional
social
workers,
for
example,
you
could
you
could
clarify
that
that
was
funding
available
for
that
concept
additionally
or
you
could
just
adopt
it
as
a
legislative
intent,
something
you're
wanting
to
look
at
so
we
don't
have.
You
won't
see
like
a
line
item
on
the
spreadsheet?
J
K
I
think
that
arpa
kind
of
got
us
off
on
that
track
and
I
don't
think
the
intention
was
to
go
through
line
by
line,
but
to
the
extent
that
you
have
questions
about
specific
ftes,
I
think
it
always
helps
to
ask
those
early
so
that
we
can
get
you
the
information
before
you
have
to
kind
of
make
a
final
determination.
J
Okay,
so
well
like
my
two
line,
I'm
just
curious
about,
and
quite
I'm
not
quite
sure
if
I
agree
with
funding
them,
it's
just
the
the
deputy
and
then
I
have
another
question
about
in
the
police
side
of
the
house
of
staff
to
track
legislative
issues.
I
think
you
have
a
lobbyist
to
do
all
that.
J
So
just
those
two
positions,
I'm
just
kind
of
curious
on
the
need
for
those
two,
the
staff
of
the
pd
to
checklist
of
issues
and
the
canned
deputy,
I'm
not
quite
sure
if
I'm
in
favor
of
those
two
positions.
Otherwise
you
already
covered
the
arpa
eligibility
ones
that
I
have
questions
on.
O
Sure,
thank
you.
Thanks
for
the
floor
and
thanks
for
the
question,
I've
done
everything
in
my
power
this
year
to
really
earnestly
put
forward
as
flat
of
a
budget
as
possible
and
had
a
very
critical
lens
through
which
all
of
our
specific
department
and
division
proposals
came
forward,
and
this
one
rose
to
the
top
as
a
as
a
priority
and
a
need
for
us.
O
I'm
requesting
a
deputy
director
of
community
services
based
on
the
need
to
have
close
monitoring
and
oversight
of
the
dollars
and
candidly
unprecedented
dollars
that
will
be
flying
through
the
department,
so
youth
and
family
has
19
rolling
grants,
including
a
recent
additional
1
million
dollar
increase
in
funding
their
their
child
care
program.
Hours
have
doubled,
and
I
know
that
on
the
the
sheet
you
would
see
there
are
20
fts
in
can,
but
I
would
also
emphasize
that
there
are
70
part-time
or
seasonal,
hourly
employees.
O
I
think
there
is
a
scenario
in
which
we
would
consider
transferring
capital
asset
and
real
estate
services
and
their
seven
ft
head
count
to
hand,
and
they
will
help.
In
addition,
with
the
the
deputy
chief
of
staff
on
leading
out
on
the
fleet
block
process,
I
would
point
out
that
the
gentrification
assessment
and
displacement
mitigation
study
that
was
approved
for
funding
is
a
new
project.
O
There's
going
to
be
a
project
team
and
deliverables,
and
we
hope
that
that
contract
can
tee
up
a
lot
of
our
philosophy
that
we're
hoping
to
implement
in
a
proactive
way
on
the
community
services
side
of
house.
I
would
also
hope
for
this
deputy
to
help
with
updating
our
housing
loss
mitigation
ordinance
and
proposing
programs,
whether
they
be
internal
or
external,
that
address
involuntary
displacement,
and
we
also
are
trying
to
get
to
the
finish
line
on
our
our
first
and
inaugural
tiny,
home
village
and
those
wrap
around
community
services.
O
So,
in
summary,
this
is
a
role
that
I
think
would
help
with
provide
leadership
and
more
hands-on
support
for
these
new
and
additional
tasks
and
dollars
that
we're
managing
in
the
department
and,
lastly,
to
the
role
that
orion
goth
accepted
in
march.
Focusing
on
development
services
within
his
line
is
a
planning
team
that
has
a
four
percent
increase
in
land
use.
Application
has
doubled
the
approved
housing
units
in
the
city
from
night
from
2019
to
2020.
O
I
was
proud
to
mention
in
the
budget
presentation
the
500
to
12
500
participants
at
our
online
open
houses.
How?
I
guess
that
would
be
a
silver
lining
of
all.
That's
been
terrible
about
the
pandemic,
we're
also
hoping
and
checking
the
rules,
and
I
I
was
thinking
of
it
earlier
with
ben
ludki.
O
I
would
love
to
work
closely
with
council
staff
on
whether
the
arpa
funding
could
be
used
to
go
toward
a
possible
rewrite
of
our
land
use
and
our
city
code,
and
then
also
our
planning
team
is
facing
a
lot
of
administrative
burden
without
kind
of
the
resources,
as
it
relates
to
the
interest
from
the
state,
legislature
and
land
use,
regulation
and
plan
review
processes.
O
I
promised
I'd
wrap
up
so
I'll,
keep
it
short,
but
we
have
a
transportation
team
that
is
updating.
A
master
plan
received
12
million
dollars
this
year
from
the
legislature
for
an
s
line
extension
and
a
project
delivery
group,
that's
gone
from
four
staff
and
12
projects
in
2019
to
seven
staff
and
57
projects.
O
So
I
just
want
to
say
we're
experiencing
development
pressures,
we're
increasing
our
funding
resources
and
we
have
growing
needs
within
our
community
and
a
lot
of
that
growth
is
centered
around
the
work
that
happens
with
canned,
and
this
second
deputy
would
be
an
invaluable
resource
to
our
team
and
the
residents
we
serve.
So
thank
you
for
letting
me
be
able
to
put
in
a
few
words
about
that.
I
appreciate
it.
K
And
I
just
wanted
to
share
with
the
council.
The
admin
did
forward
us
some
written
information
today,
and
so
I
afford
it
forwarded
that
or
they
sent
it
to
council
leadership,
and
I
forwarded
it
to
the
council
at
604.
So
it's
in
your
email.
J
So,
thank
you
blake
for
that
explanation,
because
I,
when
you
look
at
the
org
chart,
you
just
saw
one
deputy
over
two
very
senior
directors
and
what
you
just
explained
seemed
like
is
a
whole
staff
and
not
just
one
person,
so
it
I
was,
you
know.
When
you
look
at
the
org
chart,
it
was
just
one
person
overseeing
two
other
people's
and
their
areas.
So
I'm
just
looking
at
a
deputy
and
all
the
jobs
that
you
just
described
is
more
than
just
a
deputy's
job.
J
O
I
And
then
I
don't
see
anyone
from
pd
on
the
meeting
right
now,
but
I
can
share
what
I
learned
about
the
position
for
the
legislative
tracking,
so
the
the
title
might
be
a
little
bit
misleading.
There's
a
new
state
mandated
workload.
I
K
Okay,
I
think
that
we
diverted
a
little
bit
off
of
the
public
safety
service,
but
if
there's
any
questions
on
that
sort
of
diversification,
concept
just
feel
free
to
forward
them
to
staff.
K
The
next
sort
of
general
topic
of
interest
that
council
members
have
expressed
is
an
investment
in
capital
improvements,
with
a
specific
focus
on
constituent
submitted
applications.
K
Some
council
members
have
expressed
an
interest
in
raising
cip
to
seven
percent,
as
ben
noted
earlier,
that
would
mean
about
2.8
million
dollars
would
need
to
be
identified
to
go
to
cip,
there's
a
couple
of
sources
that
staff
has
been
looking
at,
because
that's
one
time
in
nature
there's
a
little
bit
more
flexibility
in
terms
of
where
that
funding
comes
from
vip,
I
mean
is
one
time
in
nature
and
so
fund
balance
of
both
our
future
and
the
general
fund
were
looked
at,
and
I
did
a
different
idea
that
could
relate
is
just
to
find
those
specific
projects
that
you
want
to
fund
and
have
the
exact
amount
set
aside.
K
L
K
Okay,
getting
the
thumbs
up,
I'm
gonna
keep
going.
The
next
general
item
is
compensation.
K
Some
council
members
during
the
last
briefing
expressed
an
interest
in
increasing
compensation
for
city
employees,
so
staff
has
worked
with
the
administration
to
identify
for
each
1
percent
in
general
for
represented
and
unrepresented
employees.
How
much
would
that
be,
and
so
it's
about
1.7
million
dollars
in
the
general
fund
for
one
percent
across
the
board
and
then
1.1
million
in
enterprise
funds
of
that
general
fund
figure,
1.7
million
1.1
is
related
to
represented
employees.
So
if
you
did
a
half
a
percent,
you
could
just
half
that
amount.
K
Then
we
kind
of
got
a
little
into
this
in
the
last
back
and
forth.
Discussion
of
you
might
want
to
review
new
positions,
so
any
new
position
proposed
in
the
mayor's
recommended
budget.
I
think
that
the
department
briefings
were
a
good
opportunity
for
that,
but
there
are
sometimes
new
questions
that
emerge
after
you've
heard
from
the
departments
about
specific
positions,
and
so,
if
there
are
any
of
those
questions
about
new
positions,
please
let
us
know
so.
Are
there
any
others
beyond
the
ones
that
council
member
dugan
flagged.
E
This
might
be
answered
by
when
mary
beth
getting
back
to
us
about
the
the
question
we
submitted
about
the
two
business
analysts.
But
I'm
wondering
if,
if
they're,
if
we
can
only
fund
one
business
analyst,
is
this
the
kind
of
thing
where
it
doesn't
help?
If
we
don't,
if
we
just
get
one
that
you
have
to
have
to
or.
E
No,
I
think
that
one
helps
right,
especially.
K
E
J
K
Okay
and
I'll
just
I'll,
throw
out
there
that
as
you're
going
through
the
list
in
the
next
day
or
so
especially
in
preparation
for
thursday's
meeting,
feel
free
to
send
questions
in
advance.
Because
then
we
can
connect
those
questions
to
the
departments
and
then
they
can
be
ready
to
address
you
guys
on
thursday,
so
don't
hesitate
to
email
call
text
whatever.
K
The
next
item
is
just
the
concept
of
department,
reorganization.
So
some
council
members,
I
think
the
way
council
chair
fowler
put
it-
is
spend
a
little
more
time.
Thinking
about
it,
and
so
that's
why
we've
listed
it
on
unresolved
issues,
they're
semi-related
to
the
new
ftes,
but
can
also
be
unrelated,
and
then
the
any
questions
on
that.
K
E
K
K
There's
even
there
have
even
been
a
few
line
items
that
were
included
in
the
mayor's
recommended
budget
that
aren't
actually
needed
for
the
upcoming
fiscal
year
or
maybe
aren't
needed
as
much
so.
For
example,
the
mayor's
recommended
budget
included
a
general
amount.
What
elections
are
going
to
cost,
and
now
we
know
that
it's
going
to
cost
a
slightly
less
dollar
amount,
and
so
we're
proposing
you
could
capture
that
funding
or
interest
expense
that
we
sometimes
have.
K
If
we
issue
a
bond,
if
we
issue
a
tax
and
revenue
anticipation,
note,
which
is
sometimes
what
the
city
does
at
the
beginning
of
a
fiscal
year
to
essentially
pay
our
bills
through
the
first
part
of
the
year.
We
don't
need
to
do
that
this
year,
and
so
the
budget
that
we
had
put
aside
for
interest
on
that
on
that
note
are
not
needed,
so
you
can
recapture
some
of
that.
K
Unfortunately,
it's
you
know:
it's
not
a
cure-all
for
every
single
idea
that
everyone
wants
to
fund,
and
so
the
way
we've
set
up
the
spreadsheet
is
sort
of
a
live
balancing
and
on
thursday,
what
we'll
probably
be
doing
is
like
sharing
a
screen,
and
so
you
can
see
you
know
for
each
decision
you
make
what
that
top
line.
Figure
is
if
you're,
in
balance
out
of
balance.
K
If
you
have
more
money,
if
you
are
in
the
hole
that
kind
of
thing,
the
idea
is
to
have
a
balanced
budget
I'll
just
put
that
out
there.
That
might
not
be
obvious,
but
that's
the
idea,
so
I
don't
need.
I
don't
know
if
you
want
me
to
go
through
all
those
items.
Oh
the
other.
Sorry,
the
other
thing
that
new
council
members
might
not
be
used
to
is
june
8th
is
when
we
get
final
information
from
the
state
tax
commission.
K
I
will
flag
that
every
now
and
then
there's
not
as
much
new
growth
as
we've
thought
there
should
be
or
could
be,
and
so
that
is
a
possibility
that
the
actual
numbers
will
come
in
and
it
will
be
less
than
the
is
in
the
mayor's
recommended
budget.
And
so
your
options
would
either
be
to
increase
property
taxes
to
match
that
amount
or.
E
K
K
Then
the
next
section,
if
we're
ready
to
move
on
madam
chair,
is
potential
conditional
appropriations-
and
this
is
just
staff-
has
started
this
list
and
it
is
very
much
a
draft
and
so
feel
free
to
suggest
word
changes,
wordsmithing
different
ideas.
Conditional
appropriations
are
one
of
the
stronger
tools
the
council
has
in
that.
K
It
means
that
the
administration
has
lot
you're
appropriating
money,
but
the
administration
is
not
allowed
to
spend
it
until
a
specific
condition
is
met,
and
so
you
can't
do
a
conditional
appropriation
for
everything,
but
you
can
do
it
conditional
appropriations
for
something
like
they
must
check
the
box
before
this
money
is
released,
and
so
one
example
of
that
is
this
first
item:
the
diversification
of
a
public
safety
response
like
let's
say
you
set
aside
a
million
dollars
for
that,
just
throwing
a
number
out
there
that
that
money
couldn't
be
spent
until
you
and
the
administration
have
worked
out
a
plan
for
whatever
you
have
in
mind
and
sort
of
the
tone
of
that.
K
The
next
item
is
a
similar
idea.
It's
a
conditional
appropriation
on
future
dollars
spent
on
foothill
trails.
This
was
at
the
suggestion
of
two
council
members
that
any
future
budget
for
trails
that
no
future
dollars
are
spent
until
the
public
review
period
is
over
and
the
council
has
been
briefed
or
approves
of
the
future
plans.
K
E
B
I
think
we
can
wait
until
thursday's
discussion
for
that.
Okay,
but
I
am
assuming-
and
so
just
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
that
it
has
much
to
do
with
the
public
comment.
We
heard
at
our
last
formal
meeting.
B
E
K
Thanks
and
then
the
next
contingency
is
a
contingency
that
we
have
done
every
year
since
the
funding
our
future
sales
tax
dollars
have
been
increased,
and
this
essentially
guides
the
council's
expectations
for
those
dollars.
Those
it
was
such
a
a
big
deal
frankly,
that
the
council
increased
sales
tax
that
it
wanted
to
cement
an
ordinance
the
expectations
on
how
that
money
is
tracked
and
spent.
So
there's
a
much
higher
level.
K
The
next
section
is
potential
legislative
intents,
and
so,
whereas
conditional
appropriations
actually
appear
in
the
actual
budget
ordinance
itself
and
the
money
is
not
freed
until
conditions
are
met.
Legislative
intents
are
not
binding
and
they're
more
of
a
way
to
reflect
for
the
record.
What
the
council's
thinking
is
at
a
given
time,
they're
helpful
from
the
perspective
that
we
we
can
track
over
time
if
you're
making
movement
on
an
issue
in
the
way
that
you
want
to
make
movement
on
it.
K
It
does
help
the
administrative
staff
to
know
you
know
to
get
clarity
on
what
your
hopes
are
with
specific
topics
so,
but
there's
also,
the
balance
of
the
council
doesn't
always
have
the
agenda
time
to
go
through
and
detail
all
of
the
responses
to
legislative
intent.
So
we
try
to
not
write
legislative
intents.
Just
for
the
sake
of
writing.
K
So
one
two
of
the
ideas
we've
heard
so
far
this
year
and
I'll
add
a
third
one.
Is
the
update
on
an
update
on
the
boarded
building
fee
council.
Member
mono
has
expressed
an
interest
in
getting
an
update
on
that
another
that
we
heard
is
the
trips
to
transit,
program
and
evaluating
for
expansion
in
future
areas.
The
administration
has
provided
some
of
the
metrics
that
they
track,
and
so
that's
in
the
staff
report.
K
If
you
have
any
questions,
let
us
know
any
suggestions
for
wording,
we're
happy
to
do
it
and
then
a
third
that
I
heard
just
today
is
a
consolidated
one
about
golf
and
sort
of
pulling
in
some
of
those
ones
from
previous
years
golf
I
think
we
can
fold
in
what
we
know
happened
with
the
last
rfi
for
concessions,
and
so
we
can.
B
B
But
no
please
email
it
and
so
that
we
can
be
prepared
for
a
good
discussion
on
thursday
and
and
get
through.
All
of
this
is
there
anything
else
right
now.
I
just
realized
we,
it
looks
like
we
barely
have
a
quorum,
but
thank
god
we
do
so
with
that
we
jen.
Thank
you
so
much
as
always.
Your
guys
is
your
staff
report's
amazing.
I
don't
know
how
you
guys
do
all
this
work
but
surely
appreciate
it.
So
thanks
jen
and
we'll
look
forward
to
thursday's
discussion
with
that.
B
We
are
on
our
next
agenda
item,
which
is
we
have
two
board
appointments,
I'm
hoping
we're
right
on
time,
6
25.!
Yes,
that
joshua
isbell
is
here
with
us.
B
P
B
Hi
hi,
thank
you
for
joining
us
joshua.
We
are
excited
to
hear
a
little
bit
more
about
you
and
why
you
are
interested
in
being
on
the
police.
Civilian
review
board.
Okay,.
P
Yeah,
so
I
my
name's
josh,
I
moved
to
salt
lake
city
with
my
parents
in
2001.
When
I
was
17.,
I
was
pretty
deeply
moved
by
september
11th.
I
started
trying
to
enlist
I
I
ran
into
some
problems
where
it
kind
of
took
me
longer
to
get
in.
I
had
to
kind
of
complete
some
education
and
stuff
before
they
take
me
right
and
by
the
time
I
was
able
to
get
into
the
military.
P
I
joined
the
marine
corps
and
I
deployed
to
iraq
in
2005.,
and
it
was
a
very
different
sort
of
experience
than
I
was
expecting
and
I
completed
my
enlistment.
I
I
didn't
continue
my
participation
in
the
military,
but
of
course
it
it
stuck
with
me.
I
was
involved
in,
I
don't
know
some
pretty
complex,
just
sort
of
internal
stuff
in
the
marines
that
kind
of
connected
to
some
of
my
wartime
trauma.
P
So
I
continue
to
suffer
from
some
post-traumatic
stress
from
that
another
thing
I
did
when
I
was
in
the
military.
My
primary
job
was
driving
trucks.
So
most
of
what
I
did,
especially
in
my
deployment,
was
convoys.
I
also
recovered
some
vehicles
and
I
also
kind
of
watched.
Some
detainees
went
on
some
missions
where
we
captured
some
people
and
looked
after
the
prisoners,
and
things
like
that,
but
my
secondary
sort
of
side
job
to
do
not
on
the
deployment
was
being
a
rifle
range
coat.
P
P
So
you
know
that's
kind
of
my
background
in
the
military.
Since
then,
I
went
to
westminster
college
and
got
a
bachelor's
degree
in
accounting,
but
I
don't
know
you
know
the
finance
world
wasn't
for
me.
It
was
some
of
that
kind
of
changing
world
view
still
from
the
military,
and
I
know
since
then
I've
kind
of
gone
back
and
changed
my
my
educational
background.
You
know
I
I
decided
to
get
a
degree
in
military
history
like
I
said
some
of
that
stuff
really
just
kind
of
stuck
with
me.
P
I
couldn't
really
get
away
from
it.
You
know
so
trying
to
understand
that
pursued
my
education,
and
so
I
completed
that
master's
degree
in
2018.
Since
then,
I've
been
just
kind
of
trying
to
write.
I've
always
been
active
in
the
community
and
it's
just
sort
of
become
more
of
a
thing
that
you
hear
about
these
shootings
that
the
you
know
it
becomes
a
scandal
and
the
video
eventually
becomes
public,
and
I'm
just
I
you
know
so
to
kind
of
boil
down
to
what
is
my
interest
in
in
this
board
position?
P
It
really
has
to
do
with
feeling
like
having
somewhere
to
kind
of
channel
those
emotions
that
are
brought
up
all
the
time.
For
me,
you
know
all
sorts
of
different
feelings
about
like
when
I
was
on
my
deployment.
We
changed
some
of
our
our
tactics
of
how
we
interacted
how
we
defended
our
convoys
and
it
resulted
in
shootings
with
millions.
P
You
know-
and
I
just
I
have
this
knowledge
and
I
see
these
events
happening
and
it's
something
that
I
would
like
to
be
able
to
participate
more
directly
in
a
in
a
in
positive
change.
You
know
because
I
can
sit
and
I
can
complain
with
my
veteran
friends
about
you-
know:
weapons
handling
or
you
know,
escalation
of
force.
Things
like
that
right,
but
this
is
a
way
that
you
know
it's
it's
a
public
position.
P
You
know
so
that's
kind
of
what
what
drew
me
here.
I
guess
yeah.
B
That's
great,
thank
you.
Thank
you
so
much
for
your
service
and
not
just
for
your
willingness
to
serve
salt
lake
city,
but
for
the
service
you've
done
for
our
country
and
for
your
continuing
desire
to
to
kind
of,
I
think
help.
All
of
our
feelings
feel
better
about
some
of
these
tragic
things
that
happen.
So
I
appreciate
that
council
members
are
there
any
questions
or
comments
for
joshua.
B
You're
getting
the
thumbs
up
josh,
so
you
don't
have
to
answer
any
questions.
Okay,
we
will
you're.
You
will
be
on
our
consent
agenda
at
our
formal
meeting
tonight.
You
do
not
have
to
log
in,
but
you
can,
of
course,
if
you'd
like,
but
we
will
do
our
our
consent
agenda
later
this
evening
at
the
formal
meeting.
B
Okay,
thank
you
thank
you
for
being
here
with
us
and
thank
you
again.
Bye
our
next
board
appointee
or
is
justin
rodriguez
is
justin
here
with
us.
The
council.
E
B
Okay,
we
will
go
on
to.
I
don't
think
we
have
anything
else,
but
council
members,
the
finance
department,
is
a
written
briefing.
If
you
have
any
questions
regarding
the
written
briefing
or
the
finance
department,
then
we
can
answer
them,
but
we
don't
know
in
order
to
save
time
and
not
keep
mary
beth
on
the
hot
spot
for
every
department
or
every
question.
We
had
a
written
briefing
for
her.
I
don't
have
any
any
reports,
let's
see
cindy
gus
jensen.
Do
we
have
no
announcements,
not
a
thing.
B
B
I
was
muted
and
talking
the
whole
time.
I
said
you
could
turn
your
cameras
off
and
we
can
wait
a
few
minutes
and
jen
or
cindy
or
somebody
just
let
us
know
when
we
get
justin
on
the
line
we'll
do.
Madam.
A
A
K
Madam
chair,
I
think
we're
still
having
tech
issues
he's
been
trying
he's
tried
to
join
a
couple
of
different
ways
and
we
just
haven't
had
success
so
and
I
know
that
council
members
are
going
to
need
to
eat
before
the
formal
meeting
tonight.
So
with
apologies
to
justin.
Hopefully
we
can
figure
out
another
week
to
have
his
interview.
If
that's
okay
with
you
and
troubleshoot
with
him
a
little
bit
before
the
meeting.