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From YouTube: Salt Lake City Council Work Session - 06/07/2022
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A
A
And
we
also
have
councilmember
puyo
is
also
online.
B
Hi
council,
thanks
for
giving
us
time,
hi
thanks,
you
know
the
drill,
let's
pull
up
the
slide
show
and
what
you're
going
to
see
are
that
numbers
are
going
down,
even
though
I
think
socially,
it
feels
different
than
that
we
have.
We
don't
have
any
new
waste
water
updates
for
you
since
last
thursday,
when
we
gave
you
that,
but
probably
by
this
thursday.
B
B
B
Update,
no
one
else
is
saying
anything
so
because
we're
in
a
drought
and
we've
been
asking
our
residents
to
voluntarily
decrease
their
water
use,
we're
going
to
start
bringing
you
this
recommendation,
which
is
a
statewide
view,
obviously
but
supported
by
our
public
utilities,
and
they
it's
pretty
cool.
You
can
put
in
your
address
and
it'll,
give
you
your
weekly
watering
recommendations.
B
C
As
always,
we
direct
the
community
to
visit
slc.gov
feedback
for
a
list
of
the
latest
feedback
opportunities
and
surveys
for
projects
throughout
the
city
and
that
that
is
regularly
updated
with
new
new
projects
and
new
surveys,
and
you
can
read
feedback
reports
from
previous
surveys,
and
so
we
encourage
everyone
to
visit
that
site
next
slide.
Please,
our
transportation
division
has
the
bulk
of
the
updates
for
for
community
engagement.
Today,
300
north
reconstruction
project
is
now
on
the
feedback
community
page
as
well.
C
C
Two
concepts
currently
are
available
for
comment
on
the
feedback
page
for
community
feedback,
and
next
is
400
south
600
north.
A
thousand
north
bus
stop
improvements.
Those
bus
stops
are
being
improved
for
ada
accessibility,
benches
connections
to
sidewalks
to
accommodate
the
frequent
transit
service
and
outreach
is
being
done
as
needed
about
those
improvements.
C
Not
ongoing,
but
still
to
come
in
2025
that
street
will
be
reconstructed
from
south
temple
to
11th
avenue
in
the
con.
It's
in
the
concept,
development
phase
and
that
survey
is
currently
open
to
the
public
and
has
been
sent
to
households
in
that
area.
C
Next
slide,
please
and
public
utilities,
the
state
street
water
line
project
the
water
will
be
off
from
june
7th
of
today
9
a.m,
to
5
p.m,
on
properties,
on
the
north
side
of
first
avenue
between
state
street
and
a
street
also,
the
brigham
apartments
on
south
temple
will
be
without
water.
For
the
day.
D
Yes,
mr
chair
council,
good
to
see
you
all
today,
virtually
next
slide.
Please.
D
Numbers
for
last
week
at
the
resource
center,
as
you
can
see
up
slightly
at
98.4
on
the
right,
the
miller
coed
was
at
100
occupancy
all
week
on
average,
so
really
high
demand
right
now.
Next
slide
we
did
launch
as
a
city
an
enhancement
to
the
community
commitment
program,
the
rapper
intervention
team.
D
It
did
launch
this
week
to
understand
how
this
fits
in
the
salt
lake
county
health
department
has
jurisdictional
authority
over
these
cleanings
in
public
spaces
like
that
and
so
generally,
what
they
have
is
a
limited
number
of
staff
at
the
county
level.
One
person
really-
and
they
dedicate
two
days
a
week
to
salt
lake
city,
which
is
really
when
the
city
does
with
them
the
abatements
and
cleanings
that
we
talk
about.
D
It
is
a
multi-faceted
team,
including
outreach
providers,
voa
and
other
street
average
folks,
the
advantage
services
teams,
salt
lake
public
services
and
also
the
heart,
the
engagement
team
from
the
city-
and
this
is
all
again
under
the
jurisdictional
authority
of
the
county
health
department.
But
they
do
work
with
us
to
allow
us
to
do
this
even
outside
of
their
times.
They
can
work
downtown
with
us
or
in
the
city.
D
It's
focused
on
camps
of
less
than
10
structures,
which
is
different
than
the
abatements,
which
are
usually
camps
of
10
structures
or
more
or
10
people
or
more
in
one
location,
and
we'll
have
more
information
from
you
all
going
forward
about
outcomes
and
details
about
what's
happening
and
also
hopefully,
you'll
see.
Some
improvements
in
our
response
times
to
different
places
are
focusing
on
outreach
on
camps
initially
very
quickly
and
then
following
up
that
fairly
quickly
with
actual
cleanings.
D
Once
we
have
services
offered
everybody
who
can
accept
them
or
we'll
go
into
other
placements,
as
we
have
those
available,
the
upcoming
abatements
are
cleanings,
are
fairmont
park
and
13th
south
ballpark
area
this
week
next
slide
and
the
next
resource
ferris
is
friday
at
liberty
park.
The
last
piece
we
want
to
talk
about
today
is
just
pets,
and
so
there
are
still
rumors
and
statements
sometimes
made
that
people
won't
come
into
resource
centers
because
they
can't
bring
their
animals
with
them.
D
They
actually
got
highlighted
by
cnn
recently
for
a
collaboration
with
odyssey
house
here
in
town.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
you're
aware
of
that,
as
people
ask
questions
about
pets
that
you
do
know
that
they
are
encouraged
actually
into
the
resource
centers,
and
there
are
other
services
out
there.
Any
questions.
Mr
chair
council,
members.
E
Thanks
andrew,
so
I
have
a
question
on
well
on
the
on
this
slide
yeah.
I
have
heard
that
there's
a
confusion
out
there
in
the
community
still
about
can
I
bring
my.
Can
I
bring
my
on
the
last
slide.
There's
still
confusion
in
the
community.
Like
I
heard
from
my
constituents,
can
I
bring
the
reason
why
some
people
do
not
want
to
go
to
the
shelters
because
they
don't
accept
pets,
I'm
like,
but
that's
that's
not
true.
E
Obviously,
according
to
andrew
johnston's
presentation
right
now,
so
there's
still
some
misconceptions
out
there
about
pets
about
where
they
can
hang
out,
because
that's
what
I
remember
they
did
a
patio
in
in
those
shelters
so
that
people
could
hang
out
at
the
patio
with
their
pets
anyway
and
then
going
back
to
the
rit,
the
rapid
intervention
team
andrew.
D
There
will
be
a
little
overlap,
obviously,
because
it's
not
always
clear
about
the
size
of
the
camp.
What's
going
on,
michelle
hoon
is
actually
in
the
room
and
she
could
probably
talk,
maybe
very
quickly
to
specifics
to
help.
You
understand
the
difference
between
the
two
and
how
they're
the
work
together.
It's
michelle.
B
Hi,
council
hi
so
councilmember
ronaldo
morales.
To
answer
your
question:
oh
I'm!
So
sorry
my
voice
doesn't
project
very
well.
B
So
to
answer
your
question:
abatements
are
they're
a
partnership
between
the
county
health
department
and
the
city,
our
team.
What
we
do
is
we
evaluate
we
just
keep
track
of
what
is
going
on
with
each
with
each
encampment.
B
So
if
an
encampment
is
like
really
the
largest
in
the
city
or
the
most
problematic,
it's
located
in
an
area
that
is
really
causing
a
problem
for
like
another
vulnerable
population,
or
something
like
that,
we
send
that
information
over
to
the
county
health
department,
the
county
health
department,
then
comes
back
to
us
and
asks
us
for
resources
to
help
carry
that
out.
So
that's
the
abatement
side
of
things,
the
rapid
intervention
team.
B
What
the
rapid
intervention
team
is
doing
is
it
is
doing
kind
of
a
series
of
smaller,
almost
abatements,
but
they
are
only
done
after
a
very
targeted
outreach
time.
So
outreach
has
about
a
week's
head
start
before
we
send
the
rapid
intervention
team
over
to
address
a
camp
still
as
andrew
mentioned
under
the
authority
of
the
county
health
department.
B
But
we
send
outreach
workers
out
to
only
I
think,
probably
about
four
camps
each
week,
and
we
ask
them
to
spend
the
majority
of
their
time
trying
to
get
those
folks
who
are
in
those
camps
into
something
that's
going
to
help
them
before.
The
rapid
intervention
team
then
goes
out
and
addresses
that
camp
that
way.
Okay,.
E
So
what
I
understood
before
that
is
not
what's
happening.
I
don't
know
because
a
couple
like
last
week
we
said
the
rapid.
We
need
a
rapid
intervention
team
that
will
go
and
take
care
of
things
like
immediately
so
business
owner
yeah,
a
business
owner
you
know,
gets
to
you've.
Seen
the
emails
you
know
gets
to
their
office
tries
to
get
into
the
building
and
there's
biodegradable.
You
know.
E
B
That
so
that
can
be
done
with
advantage
services.
That's
advantage
services.
What
we
do
is
we
do
a
series
of
single
cleans
with
advantage
services.
So
when
there
is
something
like
like
you
had
mentioned,
where
a
business
owner
has
some
bio
waste
or
something
that's
left
on
their
property,
we
send
advantage
services
out
separately
to
go
ahead
and
just
go
ahead
and
clean
that
up.
Okay,.
E
B
It
would
be,
it
would
actually
be
the
number
for
the
for
the
housing
stability
team.
Okay,
really,
the
best
way,
I
think,
to
try
to
encourage
people
to
to
use
that
services
through
the
app,
though
through
the
slc
mobile
yeah.
So.
E
Okay,
so
soc
mobile,
so
I
put
this
in
soc
mobile
and
it
may
take
more
than
24
hours
because
you
know
to
to
come
and
do
that
it
could
to
come
and
clean.
Somebody
could
come
and
clean,
but
that
is
a
little
too
long.
B
What
we
try
to
do
and
advantage
services
is
definitely
they.
They
do
a
lot
of
things
for
us
for
certain
and
they
have
multiple
contracts
with
the
state
and
the
county
and
us,
but
they
do
they
do
absolutely
get
to
it
as
quickly
as
they
possibly
can.
We,
we
kind
of
push
biowaste,
in
particular
up
on
the
up
on
the
emergency
scale,
with
advantage
services
to
make
sure
that
they
get
out
and
they
address
those
things.
First,.
E
Okay.
Okay,
I
understand
I
understand
that,
but
I
I
do
feel
like
there's
that
gap
missing
like
when
there's
like
needles
used
needles
and
by
a
waist
where
you
know,
maybe
it's
a
mom
and
you
have
children
and
you
know
you're,
unsure
that
you
can
do
it
yourself.
A
lot
of
people
can
just
clean
it
up
and
you
know
they
will
email
us
later
and
say:
hey
I've
been
doing
this
for
a
while.
It's
taxing
yeah,
maybe
you
know
mom
or
an
elderly
person,
can't
really
bring
hoes
and
do
it
themselves
right
away.
E
B
Understand
and
part
of
what
is
beneficial,
I
think
about
the
rapid
intervention
team
is
the
fact
that
they
are
actually
they
are
going
to
take
they're,
going
to
be
a
capacity
builder
for
advantage
services.
So
far
what
we've
had
is.
We've
only
had
the
ability
to
send
advantage
services
out
for
everything,
so
picking
up,
you
know
abandoned
like
like
an
abandoned
mattress.
B
Excuse
me
significantly
more
so
that
they
will,
I
think,
be
better
able
to
address
those
things
that
they
are
specifically
trained
for,
like
biowaste
like
they
have.
They
have
a
specific
training
that
they
go
through
to
address
biowaste.
They
have
like
a
power
washing
thing
that
they
use
to
to
take
care
of
that
stuff.
The
rapid
intervention
team
absolutely
will
be
a
capacity
builder
for
them
to
make
sure
that
they
have
the
space
to
be
able
to
more
quickly
address
what
you're.
What
you're
discussing?
B
One
thing
that,
I
think
is
something
that
we
will
have
to
solution
around
is
just
like
weekends
advantage.
Services
does
not
work
on
the
weekend
and
I
think
that's
where
a
lot
of
some
of
these
issues
tend
to
come
from
is
it
is
just
weekend
kind
of
problems,
and
we
do
absolutely
make
sure
that,
as
reports
come
in
over
the
weekend,
that
those
are
the
first
things
that
we
send
over
to
them
to
address.
But
I
totally
hear
you
that
it
is.
You
know
that
that's
that's
a
gap
in
service
for
sure.
Well,.
E
I
would
I
would
like,
if
you
know,
if
inclined
administration,
that
work
on
gaps
like
that,
because
that's
that's
the
most
immediate
thing
that
we
need
to
get
done
and-
and
we
know
this
like
we've
known
this
for
a
long
time,
so
as
new
programs
or
services
come
up,
I
I
really
want
to
make
sure
that
we
are
working
as
hard
as
we
can
for
the
most
immediate
needs
that
I
thought
this
was
going
to
solve.
So
thank
you.
A
Michelle
thank
you
andrew.
Thank
you,
nice
comments
and
I
appreciate
the
work
that
we
have
there.
D
A
And
lisa
are
there
any
other
admin
update
and
I
don't
see
any
okay.
Well.
Moving
on
to
item
number
two
equity
update
and
I
see
we
have
coletta
well,
I
thought
I
had
saw
coletta
claire
lynch
chief
equity
officer.
A
Oh
and
then
we
have
fatima's
there
and
I
saw
ashley's
name
and
moana
and
roxanna
so
take
it
away.
Coletta.
F
Thank
you,
council,
chair
dugan,
and
thank
you
council
members
for
allowing
us
some
time
on
the
agenda
today.
We
have
a
brief
presentation
for
you
all.
We
just
want
to
give
you
some
timely
updates,
so
this
month
is
pride
month.
We
want
to
thank
you
all
and
the
mayor
for
your
support
of
the
pride
parade
and
also
celebrations
that
are
going
on
throughout
the
city
this
month.
F
We
also
wanted
to
notify
you
all
that
juneteenth.
This
will
be
the
first
year
that
city
city,
officials
and
city
staff
will
get
off
in
celebration
and
observance
of
juneteenth,
so
the
city
will
be
closed.
On
june,
the
20th
also
there
will
be
a
flag
raising
that
we
hope
to
see
you
all
at
council
members
on
june,
the
14th
at
11
a.m.
More
information
will
be
forthcoming
to
you
all
about
that
flag.
Raising.
F
We
also
are
celebrating
immigrant
heritage
month
and
african
american
music
appreciation
month.
So
you
will
see
some
information.
Fourth,
coming
soon
about
the
blues
festival,
we
are
excited
to
collaborate
with
our
community
partners
and
efforts
that
are
happening
and
celebrations
that
are
happening
throughout
the
city
for
each
one
of
these
celebrations
and
recognitions,
and
we
just
want
to
thank
you
again
for
your
support
as
we
do
this
work
together,
I'm
going
to
pass
to
ashley
ashley
has
an
ada
update
for
you
and
then
we'll
continue
on
with
the
rest
of
my
team
members.
G
Great
thanks,
coletta.
I
think
there
should
be
a
slide
next.
F
F
Good
afternoon
council,
our
updates
will
be
quick
for
the
human
rights
commission,
we're
holding
a
meeting
today
june,
7th
at
5
30.
we're
going
to
plan
to
have
a
recess
during
july,
while
many
folks
are
out
on
vacation
and
doing
family
things
this
summer.
F
While
we
have
a
recess
darby
and
I
with
the
human
rights
commission,
leadership
will
be
updating
our
website
just
so
that
it's
more
transparent
and
user-friendly
for
folks
who
are
trying
to
access
and
attend
the
meetings
and
then
finally,
we're
working
with
andrew
johnson
to
support
efforts
in
addressing
homelessness
in
the
city,
as
well
as
reviewing
providing
feedback
for
language
access
policy
and
awaiting
the
cedaw
ordinance
process
with
the
council.
Here
next
slide.
Please.
F
For
the
racial
equity
and
policing,
commission
we'll
be
having
a
meeting
on
thursday
june
9th
also
having
a
recess
during
the
month
of
july,
while
many
are
out
of
town.
During
this
week's
meeting,
we'll
be
listening
to
presentations
from
the
utah
court's
office
of
fairness,
the
juvenile
justice
courts
and
the
recently
hired
park,
ranger
manager,
janet
janessa
edwards,
will
be
presenting,
as
well
as
following
up
on
questions
that
the
rep
has
had
with
the
intersection
of
policing
and
managing
the
park
rangers.
F
F
That
the
racial
equity
and
policing
commission
is
doing,
and
finally,
we
are
working
with
slcpd
or
the
commission
rather
is
working
with
slcpd
on
hiring
on
the
hiring
process
for
local
diversity,
trainers,
they're,
also
providing
feedback
line
by
line
feedback
for
the
sro
mou
contractor
in
negotiation
with
jennifer
newell,
and
also
re-examining
ways
in
which
racial
ethnic
data
is
collected
by
slcpd.
F
G
G
We
did
the
new
new
commissioner
orientation
and
then
we
started
looking
at
our
policies
and
procedures,
we're
going
to
hold
a
special
meeting
on
the
14th
to
go
ahead
and
wrap
up
the
policies
and
procedures,
review
and
hopefully
elect
a
chair
and
vice
chair
for
our
regular
meeting
to
resume
on
the
23rd.
We
have
a
lot
of
folks
that
are
wanting
to
come
present
to
us
and
get
some
feedback
so
we're
hoping
to
get
some
transportation
updates
the
transportation
master
plan
in
front
of
the
commission
later
this
month.
G
G
F
B
F
F
J
Services-
a
few
things,
of
course
I
had
I
had
like
three
slides,
but.
E
You
know
gotta
gotta
work
with
one
slide,
make
it
fair
for
everyone,
some
of
the
stuff
that
we
that
I'm
working
on
is
the
most
important
one
right
now
is
a
budget
request
that
was
submitted
as
part
of
the
the
proposed
budget.
So
keep
an
eye
out
for
that
and
also
drafted
and
admitted
an
administrative
policy,
and
it
has
been
reviewed
by
several
staff
members
and
outside
parties
and
is
now
before
the
policy
review.
E
F
So
I
working
with
them
also
meeting
with
the
national
municipal
language
access
network
and
we
need
to
discuss
best
practices
and
build
ongoing
collaboration,
as
we
all
continue
to
work
on
these
programs
fatima,
and
I
also
attended
of
the
welcome
and
interactive
conference,
and
that
was
great.
I
had
some
pretty
good
discussions.
F
F
Okay,
so,
as
far
as
my
update
goes
as
well,
it's
in
regards
to
welcoming
interactive.
This
is
a
photo
of
the
utah
delegates
that
attended
the
conference.
We
had
two
folks
from
the
governor's
economic
department,
as
well
as
salt
lake
county
myself,
and
the
irc
and
roxanna
from
our
office
that
attended.
There
was
over
450
folks
that
joined
from
local
government
and
municipalities
to
spend
three
days
exchanging
inclusive
practices
and
ideas,
while
connecting
both
with
new
and
old
colleagues
within
charlotte,
the
city
of
charlotte,
became
certified
as
a
welcoming
city.
F
They
are
the
first
southeast
to
dive
into
this
intersection.
One
opportunity
that
has
come
after
the
interactive
conference
is
that
western
members
have
been
extended
an
opportunity
to
apply
to
for
the
welcoming
standard.
2.0
they'll
select
three
municipalis
for
pilot
program,
and
we
have
submitted
an
application
for
that.
So
once
we
know
that
we've
been
selected,
we'll
know
more
and
then,
as
far
as
the
know,
your
neighbor
volunteer
program
goes
along
with
the
immigrant
heritage
month,
juneteenth
and
all
the
other
festivals
june.
F
20Th
is
also
world
refugee
day
celebration,
they're
holding
the
festival
at
big
cottonwood
on
the
17th
and
18th,
along
with
that,
there's
going
to
be
a
citizenship
ceremony
that
we're
coordinating
and
hoping
to
participate
in
they'll
be
held
at
the
state
capitol
and
a
lot
of
our
know.
Your
neighbor
volunteers
program
are
involved
in
helping
with
the
celebration
of
world
refugee
day
and
immigrant
heritage
month
as
well,
and
that's
my
update.
Thank
you
all.
A
A
Council
we're
moving
on
to
item
number
three
fiscal
year:
2022-23
budget,
the
capital
improvement
program
overview
at
the
table.
We
have
ben
hi,
oh
and
blake
is
tammy.
We
have
cali
here
tammy's
out
and
cali's
here,
oh
tammy's,
online
ben.
Kick
it
off.
K
Thanks,
mr
chair,
I
have
a
overview
that
takes
a
broader
look
at
all
of
the
capital
investments
that
are
currently
before
the
council
before
we
dive
into
it.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
everyone
got
their
cip
budget
book,
I'm
seeing
several
here
today,
great,
so
the
the
capital
investments
before
the
council
fall
into
three
buckets:
there's
the
80
million
dollar
parks
and
public
lands
general
obligation
bond,
there's
the
63
million
dollar
sales
tax
revenue
bond
and
33
million
dollars
for
fiscal
year.
2023
proposed
projects
in
cip.
K
So,
let's
start
with
cip
taylor.
Can
you
put
up
the
attachment
10?
This
shows
cip
projects
by
fiscal
year
and
fiscal
year.
23
is
the
most
I
have
seen
in
the
seven
years.
I've
worked
on
the
cip
budget.
There
are
90
requests
and
you'll
see
that
these
are
split
49
from
departments
and
41
from
constituents
and
over
the
seven
years.
This
is
a
significant
increase
in
constituent
applications.
K
This
table
will
look.
It
looks
at
the
different
funding
sources
for
cip
and
there's
a
couple
big
changes
I
wanted
to
highlight
the
second
to
right.
Most
column
is
the
change
in
dollar
amounts
and
the
f
the
column
furthest
on
the
right
is
the
percentage,
change
and
you'll
see
the
some
of
the
biggest
changes
are
the
general
fund?
It's
10
million
dollars
more
than
last
fiscal
year
on
impact
fees,
a
couple
rows
below
that,
it's
significantly
less
than
has
been
included
in
the
last
few
years.
K
It's
almost
5
million
less
than
last
fiscal
year,
and
if
you
wanted
to
see
the
available
balances
of
impact
fees,
that's
on
page
six
of
the
staff
report,
the
other
significant
change
is
in
the
middle.
It's
the
county
quarter
cent
sales
tax,
which
is
limited
to
transportation
uses,
and
that
is
increasing
a
little
over
three
million
dollars.
K
K
Moving
to
page
three
of
the
staff
report,
you
may
recognize
this
from.
I
think
it
was
included
the
last
two
budgets,
but
it's
helpful
as
a
glance
of
the
city's
unfunded
capital
needs
over
the
next
decade.
This
is
not
a
comprehensive
list.
There
are
definitely
ideas
and
other
projects
that
could
be
added
to
this,
but
I
thought
it
was
helpful
if
you
wanted
to
kind
of
get
a
snapshot
of
well,
if
we
were
to
fund
everything,
what
would
that
look
like
yes,
ben.
K
K
K
M
And
just
so
just
so,
you
know
our
staff
is
having
trouble
zooming,
just
it's
a
technical
issue
zooming,
so
it
is
comically
small
in
this
room,
though
I
just
want
to
acknowledge
that
we
know
it's
small
and
we're
not
able
to
zoom,
but
if
you
open
up
the
staff
report,
it's
what
page
three
for
this
item.
Okay,
thanks
and
sorry.
N
K
K
We
just
received
about
an
hour
ago
a
response
from
finance,
there's
152
thousand
dollars
from
completed
cip
projects
that
were
originally
funded
by
general
fund
dollars.
These
are
your
most
flexible
dollars.
They
can
go
to
any
project
that
hundred
and
fifty
two
thousand
dollars
can
be
considered
in
unresolved
issues.
If
that
is
funding,
you
want
to
recapture
and
put
to
use
next
fiscal
year,
we're
still
waiting
to
hear
back
about
class
c.
That's
a
gas
tax
and
impact
fee
projects,
so
we
hope
to
have
those
updates
for
your
discussion
on
thursday.
A
M
M
Is,
although
I
think
it's
important
to
realize
that
it's
one-time
money
so
to
the
extent
that
you
use
it
for
the
general
fund,
it's
one
time.
A
K
We
also
just
received
an
analysis
of
arpa
eligibility
for
all
cip
projects
and
projects
in
the
two
bonds.
I
haven't
had
a
chance
to
look
at
it
since
it
just
came
in,
but
as
soon
as
the
briefing's
done,
we'll
take
a
look
at
that.
Send
it
out
to
you
and
that's
another
thing
that
could
be
considered
in
unresolved
issues.
K
The
first
is
the
unfunded
capital
needs
over
the
next
decade
that
list
on
the
previous
page.
How
does
the
city's
needs
align
with
the
council's
priorities
for
the
city
and
the
projects
that
are
recommended?
Basically,
does
the
council
see
that
there's
a
project
that
is
a
priority,
that's
not
included,
or
that?
Maybe
you
wanted
to
fund
it
in
a
different
way
to
see
if
the
balancing
of
projects
across
those
three
buckets
of
money
meets
your
policy
priorities.
K
The
second
question
is
about
five
projects
that
the
administration
identified
outside
of
the
resident
advisory
board
process
and
I'll
read
them
off
real,
quick,
it's
3.7
million
for
handheld
radio
upgrades
to
get
to
the
next
generation
of
equipment,
three
million
dollars
for
complete
streets,
two
million
dollars
from
funding
our
future
for
public
lands,
maintenance,
two
million
dollars
for
restoration
of
city
hall.
K
This
is
a
insurance
reimbursement,
so
that
money
is
needed
to
pay
for
the
next
round
of
repairs
to
the
building,
and
the
last
is
seven
hundred
thousand
dollars
for
maintenance
of
vacant
city-owned
facilities.
So
these
five
projects
I'm
calling
out
because
they
weren't
part
of
the
advisory
board
process.
K
M
A
M
They're
not
specifically,
I
think
that
that
it
might
be
accurate
to
say
the
administration
felt
strongly
enough
that
they
needed
to
be
done
just
period
I
mean
the
radios
is
an
absolute
necessity.
The
city
and
county
building
is
an
absolute
necessity.
The
funding
our
future
maintenance
is
probably
up
for
further
discussion,
although
I
think
that,
what's
not
up
for
further
discussion
is
using
those
funds
for
other
cip
projects,
so
they're
they're,
similar
in
category
and
that
they're
categorized
as
capital
funding,
but
they're,
probably
not
eligible
to
pull
from
to
fund
other
cip
projects.
M
If
that
makes
sense,
so
it's
not
quite
like
putting
off
the
discussion
for
the
rest
of
the
capital
projects
right.
A
E
I
have
a
question,
mr
so
jen.
I
didn't
understand
that,
so
I
thought
that
the
projects
that
are
here
for
ca
so
defending
our
future
projects
that
was
decided
that,
without
the
without
the
city
advisory
board,
that
those
cannot
be
changed
at
all
like
what,
if
we
wanted
to
do
some
other.
M
Future
eligible
projects
yeah,
I
think
that
the
the
resident
advisory
board
is
one
step.
It's
optional,
it's
not
at
all
required.
You
could
decide
to
do
any
projects
regardless
of
the
resident
advisory
board.
That's
just
a
step,
and
so
what
ben's
pointing
out
is
that
these
projects
were
elevated
by
the
administration,
independent
of
the
cip
process,
but
they're
classified
as
cip
projects.
M
So
when
we
calculate
nine
percent
to
cip,
it
includes
those
projects,
because
technically
they
fall
into
that
category
of
capital
of
capital,
but
because
they
weren't,
you
know,
sent
through
the
resident
advisory
board
with
like
a
formal
application.
We
just
wanted
to
flag
it
so
that
you
understood
these
went
through
a
different
process
than
the
rest
of
the
cip
list
that
you
receive
projects,
but
you
could
you
could
move
money
around.
M
I
think
that
I
think
that
some
of
them
are
probably
less
flexible
than
others,
so
the
radios
we
have
to
fund
that
that's
probably
a
non-negotiable,
because
we
have
to
have
emergency
radios
in
the
city
and
there's
a
new
program
that
they
need
to
be
on.
We
have
to
fund
the
insurance
reimbursement
for
restoration
of
city
hall,
because
otherwise
we
don't
get
the
insurance
money
back.
M
The
three
million
for
complete
streets
is
funded
with
the
county
transportation
dollars,
and
so,
while
that's
flexible
in
terms
of
you
could
move
that
around
to
fund
something
else,
it
would
have
to
go
for
something
else.
That's
transportation
eligible
and
the
2
million
for
funding
our
future
is
kind
of.
In
that
same
category
of
you
could
move
the
money
around,
but
it
would
probably
need
to
be
in
a
funding
our
future
eligible
category
and
not
just
any
other
cip
project.
Okay,
so
that.
E
L
L
What
makes
those
specific
dollar
amounts
a
cip
project
rather
than
just
like
our
parks,
maintenance,
crews
that
are
maintaining
public
lands?
Is
it
because
they're
allocated
to
specific
projects,
and
then
I
guess
the
same
question
with
the
radios
like
when
we
buy
a
computer
for
a
new
employee
in
some
department?
That's
not
really
a
cip
investment
or
we
don't
consider
it
in
context
of
our
cips.
But
why
would
the
3.7
million?
L
K
J
So
as
far
as
the
radios,
they
will
be
capitalized.
It
may
not
be
a
project
as
in
a
building,
but
it
will
be
a
capitalized
project.
That's
the
reason
we
included
that
in
the
cip,
you
are
correct
as
far
as
maintenance
for
the
buildings
and
maintenance
for
parks.
Those
technically
are
not
in
a
cip
fund.
They're
in
this
is
kind
of
weird
cip
fund
under
the
cip
fund
class
under
the
maintenance
fund,
but
the
reason
we
put
it
there
is
so
that
it
does
not
drop
to
fund
balance.
Just
like
ben
said.
J
So,
and-
and
you
could
continue
to
look
at
those
year
to
year
and
if
it
if
it
was
too
much
say,
got
to
10
million
dollars
and
they
spent
none
of
it,
then
it's
probably
you
know
the
mayor
and
the
council
need
to
reassess
that
and
come
back
and
say
what
are
we
going
to
do
with
this
funding
at
that
point
in
time?
That's.
N
I
ask
one
question
about
that:
oh
sorry,
do
we
if
this
is
too
far
in
the
weeds,
tell
me
I'll
happily
divert,
but
do
we
have
a
policy
for
the
vacant
city
owned
facilities
that
we're
maintaining?
I
really
would
like
to
see
us
start
streamlining
what
we
own
and
maximize
those
assets.
I
hate
putting
money
towards
vacant
structures.
K
K
N
K
A
O
I'm
not
sure,
but
I
think
maybe
what
council
member
petroshler
is
talking
about
is
maybe
two
the
thing
you're
capturing
ben,
but
also.
I
think
that
you've
mentioned
to
me
before,
like
some
way
to
especially
take
notice
of
the
historic
buildings
that
the
city
owns
and
develop
a
plan
for
how
we
can
preserve
those
and
utilize
them.
N
The
historic
is
of
particular
interest
to
me
and
I
really
would
like
us
to
be
more
proactive,
even
if
it
means
public-private
partnerships,
but
I
want
us
to
be
proactively
seeking
those
out,
but
I'm
also
just
curious
about
like
what
else
do
we
own
that
is
vacant,
and
is
there
a
reason
we
own
it
and
it's
vacant
and
we're
not
leasing
it
or
something
you
know
like?
Could
we
be
generating
revenue
from
that,
instead
of
just
maintaining
for
an
unused
spot.
I
I
thought
we
were
in
the
process
of
creating
that
sort
of
asset
list
already,
that
included
not
just
abandoned
buildings
or
historic
buildings,
but
actually
all
of
the
assets,
and
I
think,
as
part
of
erp.
We
certainly
are
doing
something
there,
but
I
I
was
under
the
impression
that
that
had
been
started
in
the
last
administration
when
lisa
schaefer
was
the
director
of
public
services.
M
There
was
quite
a
bit
of
work.
Sorry,
there
was
quite
a
bit
of
work
that
was
done
on
it.
We
have
an
inventory.
I
think
the
next
step
is
to
analyze
the
inventory
for
properties
that
are
sort
of
usable
versus
properties
that
are
kind
of
just
ancillary.
You
know
pieces
of
streets
and
things,
and
the
last
I
was
just
talking
to
the
mayor.
The
last
I'd
heard
was
a
little
while
ago,
and
so
I
didn't
know
if
lisa
had
any
kind
of
more
recent
information
than
I
do
so.
Q
P
Do
have
a
couple
of
updates.
Yes,
you
are
correct.
What
jen
said
is
correct.
We
have
done
quite
a
lot
of
work
on
a
comprehensive
list
of
assets
and
we
are
in
the
process
of
assembling
a
capital
asset
management
team.
It
will
be
a
cross-departmental
team
that
is
working
collaboratively
to
come
up
with
an
overall
city
strategy
for
management
of
all
of
our
city
assets
in
the
works
and
making
really
good
progress.
We
should
have
big
big
news
by
by
this
time
next
year
for
sure.
B
And
to
your
previous
comment
about
you
know,
putting
this
much
money
into
vacant,
buildings,
fisher
and
warm
springs
are
have
had
so
much
interest
from
community
partners
that
they
naturally
rise
up
as
the
most
viable
for
us
to
at
least
stabilize
the
buildings,
so
that
we
could
actually
actively
recruit
a
public-private
partnership
concept
to
activate,
manage
and
possibly
maintain
the
buildings.
But
at
this
point
they're
just
so
bad,
they
need
so
much
help
that
it's
they're
not
viable.
Yet,
thanks.
K
The
last
thing
I
wanted
to
touch
on
was
inflation.
There
is
a
cost
overrun
account
that
the
council
set
up
years
ago.
So
if
a
cip
project
has
cost
increases
that
are
a
little
bit
above
the
budget
that
the
council
approved,
then
the
administration
can
pull
funds
from
the
cost
overrun
account
to
fill
that
gap
and
complete
the
project.
K
Instead
of
coming
back
to
the
council
in
a
budget
amendment
requesting
more
funding,
which
is
a
longer
process
because
of
inflation,
the
cost
increases
are
often
larger
than
what
is
allowed
to
be
taken
from
the
cost
overrun
account.
So
you
could
ask
the
administration
about
what
they're
seeing
on
projects,
how,
if
there's
greater
utilization
greater
requests?
A
L
I
have
a
really
general
question.
I
don't
know
if
now's
the
right
time
or
not,
but
I'm
just
looking
through
the
book
and
on
page
13
there's
the
unfunded
projects,
but
in
your
attachments
in
the
staff
report,
there's
a
lot
of
other
projects
that
are
unfunded.
Why?
Why
does
something
get
into
this
unfunded
projects
list
so.
K
Others
two
things:
the
list
of
unfunded
projects
in
the
cip
book
is
actually
from
last
fiscal
year.
We
just
noticed
it
this
week,
so
finance
will
be
updating
that
and
sending
out
new
copies
the
unfunded
projects.
Yeah,
the
the
unfunded
projects,
are
part
of
their
from
the
90
cip
applications,
the
ones
the
mayor
is
not
recommending.
Funding
are
on.
That
list
are
on
which
list.
L
K
So
that's
actually
a
perfect
segue
into
the
bonds.
Now
that
we've
talked
about
cip
up
on
the
screen-
and
you
should
have
a
printout
in
front
of-
you
is
a
comparison
table
of
questions.
We've
heard
from
council
members
about
the
similarities
and
the
differences
between
a
sales
tax
bond
and
a
geo
general
obligation
bond
you'll
notice
that
there
are
some
important
differences,
such
as
the
first
question.
When
does
the
council
need
to
decide?
K
A
K
K
K
K
L
Mr
chair,
okay,
I
don't
want
to
add
more
work,
so
if
it's
too
much
that,
then
that's
fine,
but
is
there
a
way
to
put
like
an
asterisk
next
to
the
ones
that
were
requested
by
a
constituent
versus
requested
by
the
department
itself,
because
it
seems
like
those
are
kind
of
combined
into
one
on
this
list?
Is
that.
L
L
I
I
K
A
Yeah,
we'll,
let's
do
that
next,
but
we
also
part
of
our
unresolved
issue
and
then
we
also
have
discussion
on
cip,
thursday
too.
So
this
isn't
last
discussion.
So
we
have
many
more
to
go
on,
but
let's
go
through
the
staffs
or
the
admins
presentation
of
the
cip.
R
Thank
you
so,
within
the
mayor's
fy
23
recommended
cip
budget
there's
almost
346
million
for
cip,
and
this
includes
not
only
the
funds
I'm
going
to
go
through,
but
part
of
the
rda's
funds
and
enterprise
funds,
but
these
other
funds
have
been
presented
on
in
the
applicable
department's
budget.
So
I'm
going
to
focus
on
the
the
piece
of
cip
that
goes
through
the
capital,
improvement
program,
advisory
board
and
the
mayor
for
funding
recommendations
and
the
recommendations
have
been
forwarded
to
the
council
for
your
consideration.
R
It
really
begins
and
ends
with
fiscal
management
and
financial
oversight
provided
by
the
finance
department
and
then
at
the
top
of
the
slide,
you
can
see
that
can
facilitates
the
annual
public
application
process.
That
includes
funding
recommendations
by
the
cdcip
board
and
mayor
moving
on
to
city
council
funding
allocations
once
that's
done.
Project
management
and
implementation
is
really
managed
by
the
division
or
department
that
the
project
falls
under.
R
So
this
includes
everyone
from
the
arts
council
to
can
who
facilitates
projects
on
vacant
and
leased
projects,
facilities,
parks,
police
and
fire
transportation
all
manage
their
own
projects
with
construction
management
provided
by
the
engineering
division
and
this
division
moved
last
year.
If
you
remember
from
the
department
of
community
neighborhoods
over
to
public
services
and
the
facilities
division,
which
is
also
under
public
services,
they
help
to
manage
city-owned
building
projects
and
then,
on
the
planning
end
of
things.
There
have
been
a
lot
of
questions
about
planning
capital
planning.
R
Efforts
really
have
been
transitioning
over
to
the
public
services
department.
As
I
said,
engineering
moved
under
that
department
and
then
also
another
fte
that
manages
capital
assets,
so
public
services
is
really
charged
now
with
plan
coordination
for
all
of
the
capital
planning.
Efforts
and
impact
fee
planning
falls
under
the
department
of
community
and
neighborhoods
for
all
impact
fee
plans,
and
then
this
is
of
course
in
close
coordination
with
all
of
the
departments:
engineering
facilities,
fire
parks,
police
and
transportation.
R
Please
just
some
updates
on
what
the
department
of
community
and
neighborhoods
has
been
doing
to,
hopefully
help
coordinate
the
cip
process.
The
first
effort
is
a
cip
dashboard.
We've
been
working
on
this
dashboard
with
ims,
and
the
dashboard
is
really
intended
to
allow
us
to
gather
data
on
the
location
and
types
of
projects
being
funded.
R
R
We
have
also
been
working
with
ims
to
do
some
equity
mapping
for
cip
we're.
Looking
at
different
equity
indicators,
one
indicator
set
that
we
have
in
there
right
now
is
the
cdc's
social
vulnerability
index
that
maps
social
vulnerability
across
four
categories,
including
socioeconomic
status,
household
composition,
race,
ethnicity
and
language,
and
housing
and
transportation.
R
We
have
also
added
on
to
this
map
historic
red
line
areas
of
the
city.
As
you
know,
local
state
and
federal
policies
mandated
segregation
in
the
red
line
areas
and
this
segregation
also
impacted
where
capital
improvement
impacts
were
essentially
allocated.
So
these
different
indicators
can
help
inform
the
decision-making
process
in
future
years
for
cip
projects.
R
R
This
slide
shows
how
it's
been
broken
down
by
council
district,
also
citywide,
and
also
how
it's
been
broken
down
by
type
of
project,
with
parks
and
public
lands
projects
being
the
highest
allocated
amount.
District
2
has
the
highest
allocated
amount
behind
citywide
projects,
so
just
a
snapshot
of
how
we're
looking
at
data
through
the
dashboard
next
slide.
Please
moving
on
to
what's
being
proposed
through
this
year's
cip
process.
R
These
are
ongoing
expenses.
So,
as
I
said
at
the
top
of
the
presentation,
there's
about
45
million
dollars
being
proposed
to
be
allocated
through
this
portion
of
cip
18
million
are
ongoing
expenses,
so
these
are
debt
service,
contingency,
the
percent
for
art
and
different
projects
that
are
entered
into
cip
on
an
ongoing
basis
and
just
to
clarify
one
of
the
policy
discussion
or
questions
that
ben
pointed
out
policy
question
number
two,
but
the
projects
that
didn't
go
through
an
application
process.
R
R
So
this
is
our
fy
2023
application
summary.
We
have
88
total
applications,
ben
highlighted,
90,
total
applications,
two
applications
included
projects
that
weren't
city-owned
assets.
So
that's
the
discrepancy
there.
There
were
88
eligible
applications.
R
R
The
funding
recommended
through
this
portion
of
cic
is
just
under
27
million,
and
four
of
the
projects
being
recommended
for
funding
are
constituent
applications
at
the
bottom
of
the
slide.
You
can
see
how
the
funding
recommendations
are
broken
down
by
type
of
funding,
it's
about
even
between
engineering,
transportation
and
public
lands,
and
then
a
smaller
portion,
just
under
10
million
going
to
facilities
for
city-owned
building
projects
next
slide,
please.
R
R
R
And
then
you
can
see
the
breakdown
of
the
different
types
from
brand
new
projects
to
renewal
projects
and
then
planning
as
well.
Next
slide.
Please-
and
this
shows
the
breakdown
of
funding
recommendations
by
council,
district
and
citywide
citywide
is
receiving
the
highest
amount
of
funding
recommendations
from
the
mayor
and
then
broken
down
by
constituent
and
internal
applications.
R
These
are
the
specific
applications
that
are
being
funded.
I
would
like
to
point
out
that
the
mayor's
funding
recommendations
are
very
close
to
the
cdcip
board's
recommendations.
In
fact,
they're
almost
identical
when
the
cdcip
board
made
their
funding
recommendations,
we
did
not
have
the
revenue
amounts
finalized
for
them
to
be
able
to
disburse
their
recommendations
to
the
dollar,
so
they
ask
that
overage
in
new
revenues
go
to
the
cemetery
project.
R
R
This
will
allow
us
to
use
data
and
metrics
to
inform
future
funding
decision,
making
processes
and
we're
also
working
as
an
administration
to
better
integrate
the
cip
into
capital
asset
management
planning,
as
lisa
spoke
about
previously
and
then
ben
highlighted
resolution,
29
of
2017
salt
lake
city's,
the
council's
capital
and
debt
management
policies,
and
we
would
really
like
to
engage
the
council
and
give
the
council
an
update
on
some
of
the
efforts.
R
A
Thank
you,
tammy
council,
any
questions
at
this
at
this
point
in
the
cip
process
we
can
get
into
the
more
specifics,
probably
in
the
unresolved
and
then
on
thursday,.
S
I
on
the
dashboard,
I
appreciate
the
dashboard.
You
know
I
love
dashboards
in
general.
You
know
very
useful,
very
visual
tool,
looking
forward
to
your
final
version
on
that.
May
I
may
request
a
a
feature
on
that
where
we
can
see
the
unfinished
projects,
because
this
is
important
to
me
to
know
how
many
of
the
projects
that
previous
previous
consoles
have
have
budgeted
for
and
money
has
been
distributed
or
not.
S
But
I
want
to
see
where
they
are,
maybe
it's
unfinished
or
in
progress
or
maybe
even
stalled,
something
along
those
lines,
because
I
just
want
to
know
and
to
me
it's
important
to
set
the
expectations
right
to
to
the
community
about
when
where
they
are
in
the
process-
and
I
think
that
is
very
important
to
me-
and
I
was
talking
to
council
member
fowler
last
week
and
we
were
looking
at
the
dashboard
in
district
seven
and
many
of
the
projects
that
we
were
seeing
were
not
completely
yet
completed
yet
so
it
would
be
nice
to
have
that
information
easily
accessible
too.
A
Thank
you
and
customer,
please
they
are
on
attachment
eight,
but
I
think
you're
right
about
having
them
on
the
dashboard
would
be
kind
of
nice
to
have
that
visual,
but
there's
a
list
of
them
in
attachment
eight.
A
M
Mr
chair
yeah,
I
think
that,
and
maybe
we
can
just
clarify
among
ourselves
at
the
break,
but
I
think
there
was
some
thought
that
we
might
go
over
the
big
list
to
kind
of
orient
the
council
during
this
discussion
and
then
have
additional
follow-up
questions
and
unresolved
issues
either
today
or
thursday.
A
M
Think
it's
question
and
answer
time,
if
I
sorry
to
jump
in
because
this
list
kind
of
was
created
out
of
thin
air
thanks
to
mary,
beth
and
ben,
adding
to
it
yesterday,
and
it
was
a
desire
of
the
chair
and
vice
chair
to
have
sort
of
all
the
projects
in
context.
So,
if
you
can
see
it's
all
the
projects
that
are
in
the
geo
bond
the
sales
tax
bond
and
then
all
the
cip
projects,
both
funded
and
not
funded
and
then
across
the
top
from
left
to
right
are
the
different
funding
sources.
M
Ultimately,
it's
up
to
the
council
to
decide
if
and
how
any
of
the
projects
are
funded,
and
so
I
think
that
it's
accurate
to
say
that
the
effort
for
the
geo
bond
needs
to
know
sooner
rather
than
later,
what
projects
may
be
included
in
the
geo
bond,
even
though
technically
the
council
has
until
august
to
approve
the
geo
bond
to
be
on
the
ballot
just
so
that
the
public
education
campaign
over
the
summer
can
be
underway.
M
So,
to
the
extent
that
council
members
want
to
shift
projects
either
among
the
sales
tax
bond
or
go
bond
or
straight
cip
funding
or
if
you
wanted
to
change
projects
that
were
funded
in
cip
and
fund
them
in
a
bond
instead
or
vice
versa,
we
would
need
to
know
soon-
and
I
think
now
could
be
the
beginning
of
that
process,
where
the
council
is
deciding
either
to
shift
projects
or
move
projects
around
or
amounts
of
projects.
Cindy.
Do
you
have
anything
to
add.
O
The
the
reason
that
we
were
hoping
that
you
could
have
this
conversation
in
context
is
that
that
you
could
accidentally
sort
of
block
yourself
in
and
limit
your
options.
O
If
you
don't
look
at
all
of
the
projects
and
all
of
the
funding
sources
at
the
same
time,
so
that
that's
what
we
were
hoping
for
and
then
also
consider
like,
you
won't
be
making
your
decision
right
now
on
the
bond
and
you
won't
be
making
your
final
decision
really
on
the
sales
tax,
because
there
will
be
more
steps
to
that
and
you
won't
be
making
your
final
decision
on
cip,
because
that
comes
a
little
bit
later
in
the
summer.
O
And
if
if
later
you
decide
to
say
no
to
any
one
of
those
three
chunks
of
funding
or
approaches,
then
you'll
want
to
be
sure
that
you
have
done
your
best
to
get
equity
in
the
other
two,
so
east
side,
west
side,
equity
or
equity
in
terms
of
whatever
types
of
uses
that
you
want
to
have
equity
among.
So
so
that's
why
we
thought
we
better
do
a
pretty
big
introduction
here
today
and
then
reserve
time
for
you
next
week.
L
Just
one
clarifying
question
I
think,
maybe
for
tammy
you
mentioned
your
presentation.
There
was
there
were
a
few
numbers
that
were
thrown
out:
44-ish
million,
that
is
being
funded
in
the
cip
process.
But
then
there
was
another
number
of
27
and
then
the
number
of
like
300
something
million
dollars
of
projects,
but
those
are
all
in
different
departments
can
yeah
just
I.
R
Was
I
was,
I
was
just
clarifying
that
in
the
mayor's
recommended
budget,
the
cip
portion
of
the
recommended
budget
totals
over
300
million,
but
it
includes
the
cip
program.
Technically
includes
all
the
enterprise
funds.
The
golf
fund,
sustainability,
rda
cip
projects
are
also
included,
so
the
part
I
was
presenting
on
is
just
the
porsche
portion
that
goes
through
the
cdcip
board
and
the
mayor,
which
totals
45
million.
R
And
then
I
see
why
you're
confused,
because
I
think
you're
looking
at
attachment
five
now
which
this
is
and
I'm
not
saying
we're
making
it
confusing.
There's
just
a
lot
of
information
to
digest
here,
but
I
believe
what
ben
prepared
for
you
is
not
only
cip
projects
through
the
mayor's
recommended
budget,
but
also
the
proposed
bond
projects
right.
L
I
You
I
have
a
couple
of
questions.
I
know
that
you
went
over
this
sheet.
I
don't
know
if
people
can
see
me,
but
the
comparison
table
of
sales
tax
and
geo
bond
questions
with
the
geo
bond.
It
does
say
that
the
bond
must
be
issued
within
10
years
of
voter
approval,
but
there's
no
time
limit
on
when
that
bond
must
be
spent
or
is
there
because
issuing
a
bond
is
different
than
actually
spending
the
money
that
the
bond
comes
from.
Those
are
two.
M
Different
things
I'm
looking
to
marry
beth
she's,
conferring
sorry
surprise.
Is
there
a
spend
requirement
once
a
geo
bond
has
been
issued
a
time
spent
requirement?
I
think
there
was
for
the
psb
if
I'm
remembering
so
go
ahead.
J
I
Because
they're
taxable
there's
not
a
spend
time
frame,
there's
just
an
issuance
time
frame,
correct,
okay,
and
then
I
wanted
I'm
not
suggesting
that
this
I'm
going
to
suggest
this
in
the
future.
It's
more
of
just
a
clarification,
but
we
have
talked
about
as
we're
looking
at
the
full
budget
and
why
we're
looking
at
these
different
things
in
conjunction
with
the
budget,
because
we're
also
proposing
a
property
tax
and
we've
looked
at
whether
we
want
to
look
at
ways
to
decrease
a
property
tax
or
things
like
that.
I
If
we
were
to
do
that,
could
you
potential?
Could
we
if
we
decided
again,
I'm
not
suggesting
this
yet
just
kidding?
Could
we
take
funds
from
or
projects
rather
and
funds
from
the
enterprise
funds,
or
are
those
sort
of
like?
Are
the
only
ones
that
we
get
to
say?
Yes,
we're
going
to
fund
no
we're
going
we're
not
going
to
fund
the
the
sort
of
everything
outside
of
the
enterprise
and
rda
funds.
Does
that
question
make
sense
in
my
rambling,
I
I
I.
M
Think
I'm
following
the
question.
I
think,
to
the
extent
you
want
to
lower
the
property
tax
increase,
I'm
not
sure
that
taking
I'm
not
sure
that
reducing
capital
projects
with
enterprise
funds
would
help,
because
it's
not
like
you
could
use
those
freed
up
funds
to
help
balance
the
general
fund.
What
you
could
do
is
like,
for
example,
if
you
decreased
the
amount
of
the
sales
tax
bond,
you
could
decrease
the
placeholder
for
the
debt
service.
That's
in
cip,
right
now,
for
the
debt
service.
M
On
that
sales
tax
bond,
which
could
then
decrease
your
property
tax
proposed
property
tax
increase
right,
because
then
you
could
decrease
the
transfer
to
cip.
So
I
think
I
think
you
would
have
to
make
reductions
in
like
this
list,
rather
than
enterprise
fund
lists,
to
impact
that.
I
K
I
Yes,
it
can
we've
seen
that
happen,
so
I
I'm
wondering-
and
maybe
this
can
come
back
as
a
question
when
we
get
to
the
cip
discussion.
I
don't
know
that
it
needs
to
happen
with
the
general
budget
discussion.
If
there,
if
parks
has
a
plan-
and
it
I
mean
if
we
can
get
a
questions
answered
sooner
than
that
it
might
be
helpful
because
it
may,
we
may
be
looking
at
different
projects
that
we're
funding
through
the
general
budget,
that
maybe
we
can
have
a
capital
improvement
project
come
out
of
the
impact
fee.
So
so.
M
I
see
that
the
director
of
public
lands
is
online,
I'm
not
sure
if
she's
available
to
pop
on
an
answer,
if
not,
we
can
follow
up
with
her
and
get
back
to
the
council
either
later
today
or
for
thursdays.
Oh
there,
she
is
see.
H
Yeah
no
worries
yeah,
so
one
thing
to
keep
in
mind
with
the
impact
fees
is
that
we're
spending
impact
fees
with
our
projects
currently,
so
we
have
projects
that
are
in
the
middle
right
now,
where
we
continue
to
spend
impact
fees,
so
we're
kind
of
attacking
that
2025
date
every
single
day
and
not
all
of
the
14
million
expires
in
2025.,
and
so
I
have
asked
and
we're
trying
to
get
like
an
outline
of
how
much
expires.
H
H
That
has
a
three
million
dollar
impact
fee
project
that
we
need
to
spend.
We
need
to
open
a
piece
of
glendale
within
two
years,
so
we're
on
a
fast
track
to
try
to
spend
that
funding.
Another
project
that
is
quite
large,
that's
underway,
is
the
pioneer
park.
We
have.
We
have
about
three
million
dollars
at
pioneer
park
that
is
ready
to
get
going
and
go
out
to
bid,
so
we
definitely
have
projects
that
those
are
just
some
big
ones.
H
We
have
a
lot
of
small
ones
that
are
underway
that
are
continuing
to
spend
dollars
anytime.
We
purchase
land
that
comes
out
of
our
impact
fee,
usually
and
that
that
hits
on
that
date
a
little
bit
more.
So
if
we
could
get
that
kind
of
timeline,
it
changes
on
a
daily
basis,
though
I
would
tell
you
because,
as
we
submit
our
invoices
for
the
projects,
it
cuts
it
back
a
little
bit
more.
M
And
maybe,
if
we
could
have
that
show
if
we
could
have
that
analysis
showing
both
impact
fees
that
have
been
approved
by
the
council
already,
as
well
as
impact
fees
that
are
not
yet
allocated,
because
I
think
that
the
impact
fees
that
are
not
yet
allocated
is
what
some
council
members
are
looking
at
in
terms
of
how
to
balance
this
year's
budget
and
maybe
future
years
budgets,
and
so
to
the
extent
that
that
that
them
allocating
those
fees
would
disrupt
some
of
the
sort
of
plans
already
in
the
works.
M
A
I'd
like
to
add,
because
we
you
know,
there's
funds
that
go
into
that
impact
fee
at
this
point
right
now,
so
every
year
more
funds
go
in
it,
how
much
more
funds
are
going
in
it
compared
to
the
out
of
it
and
then
got
back
to
councilmember.
Fowler's
point
is:
what
are
those
unofficial
allocations
of
that
14
million
dollars,
because
we
do
have
other
projects
we.
We
would
like
to
possibly
spend
that
money
on
at
least
have
the
opportunity
to
make
that
decision.
L
M
L
F
I
Ben,
I
think
that
you
mentioned
this
at
the
beginning,
the,
and
maybe
I
saw
an
email
about
it,
but
I
know
it
was
probably
the
last
minute
the
administration
or
finance
is
looking
at
arpa
available
eligible
projects
as
well
and
comparing
those
from
what
was
recommended
to
spend
arpa
money
and
what
projects
in
the
cip
and
or
other
projects
or
just
the
cip.
That
would
be
arpa
eligible.
M
Totally
understandable
and-
and
I
think
it's
worth
pointing
out,
though,
that
to
the
extent
that
the
council
does
want
to
spend
those
dollars
on
arpa
or
front
to
the
extent
that
the
council
does
want
to
spend
arpa
dollars
on
that
cip
project,
we'll
we'll
need
to
communicate
that
with
the
administration,
because
I
think
that
the
administration
is
planning
on
using
funds
for
other
things
right
so
and
in
future
budget
years.
I
Right
right-
and
I
mean
when
are
we
having
that
discussion.
I
Let's
say
I
think,
right
now:
it's
like
63
million
for
the
sales
tax
right.
If
you
were
to
lower
it
by
10
or
12
million.
Really,
how
much
does
that?
How
much?
What?
What
does
that
do
per
se
like?
How
does
that
help
us?
Does
that
make
sense?
And
if
you
can't
answer
that
now,
maybe
that's
a
question
that
you
and
I
can
discuss
offline,
so
I
can
wrap
my
head
around
it
a
little
better.
It's.
M
So
if
you
take
like,
if
you,
if
you
decrease
that
64
million
to
by
half,
you
would
only
save
2
million
a
year,
so
you
know
if
you,
if
you
made
that
bond
a
32
million
dollar
bond
you'd,
you
would
save
essentially
two
million
dollars
which
is
not
the
full
tax
increase,
but
obviously
some
of
it.
So
I
think
it's
just
a
an
order
of
magnitude,
which
is
why
bonds
are
so
attractive
is
because
you
get
a
very,
very
large
quantity
of
money
for
small
amounts
each
year.
M
O
Could
mary
beth
d,
would
you
know
or
could
we
ask
lisa
or
the
mayor
whether
the
administration
had
time
as
it
was
developing
its
budget
with
all
the
various
capital
projects?
Was
there
time
to
bet
each
item
against
the
impact
fee
requirements
so
that
can
we
already?
Can
we
say
that
already
the
effort
has
been
made
to
see
if
anything
that's
recommended
is
impactfully
eligible
or
is
if
we
want
to
do
that
as
something
they
didn't?
Is
that
something
they
had
time
to
do
or
didn't
have
time
to
do
already?
R
O
J
Well,
the
majority
of
those
would
have
been
parks
right,
specifically
the
geo
bond,
and
I
believe
they
have.
I
would
like
kirsten
to
take
a
stab
at
that,
but
I
believe
that
those
were
looked
at
through
an
impact
b,
lens
okay,
sales.
O
Tax
I'll
have
to
get
back
with
you
on
that
one
and
in
the
past
our
experience
is
that
sometimes
the
departments
might
make
might
not
have
all
of
the
information
necessary
to
make
a
determination
of
whether
it
could
be
impactfully
eligible
or
not,
and
so
sometimes
assumptions
are
made
based
on
past
when,
when
really
it
turns
out,
it
is
eligible
with
more
reviews.
So
how
I'm
just
looking
for
a
level
of
confidence
that,
if
there's
17
million
or
14
million
there
14
is
it?
Q
Q
I
A
From
my
perspective,
I'm
looking
at
the
sales
tax
and
the
geo
bond
the
dollar
amount,
I'm
I'm
fine
with,
and
I
think
I
go
back
to
the
point
that
councilman
fowler
was
talking
about
hey
if
we
decrease
it
by
10
million.
How
much
does
that
actually
save
a
taxpayer
in
the
tax?
A
And
it's
not
a
lot
by
looking
at
more
of
the
allocation
in
the
different
line
items,
and
I
did
I
wanted
to
have
a
discussion
on
the
allocations
and
are
we
allocating
the
right
amount
to
the
different
line
items
themselves
and
I'm
not
sure
if
we
want
to
discuss
it
at
this
point,
we'll
kind
of
get
behind
the
schedule
at
this
point-
and
I
I
want
to
get
into
like
the
unresolved
issues,
because
I
know
this
is
this-
is
a
big
unresolved
issue,
but
I'd
like
to
go
through
our
unresolved
and
bring
that
up
at
that
that,
at
that
point,.
L
Mr,
I
think
that's
a
good
id,
I'm
fine
doing
it
now
or
later,
but
I
guess
just
to
give
my
sort
of
high
level
thought
not
talking
about
any
specific
project
or
movement
of
one
money
to
one
other
place.
I
think
one
goal
I
would
have
is
to
just
look
at
it
with
an
analysis
of
making
sure
that
we
are
in
the
so.
The
cip
projects
and
the
sales
tax
bond
are
things
that
we
as
the
council
can
control
without
needing
to
get
the
voters
to
approve
that.
L
So
I
want
to
make
sure
that
within
those
two,
we
are
distributing
that
money
equitably
across
the
city
and
not
just
like
evenly
across
the
city,
but
in
the
neighborhoods
of
the
city
that
currently
have
a
decreased
level
of
parks,
investment
or
access
to
open
space,
so
making
sure
that
it's
not
just
the
go
bond
where
we
have
investments
on
the
west
side
or
in
less
serviced
areas.
And
I
get
that
like
glendale
park,
is
the
biggest
individual
number
on
this
whole
sheet
and
it's
in
the
geo
bond.
L
L
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we
are
saying
yes
to
some
of
the
pieces
that
we
control
equitably
already
and
then
that
geo
bond
is
also
equitable,
if
that
makes
sense
so
making
sure
that
we're
not
saying
here's
all
the
pieces,
we're
going
to
do
and
then
make
the
voters
choose
to
invest
on
the
west
side.
I
want
us
to
invest
in
that
as
well,
and
I
know
there's
a
lot
of.
I
mean
that
graph
that
tammy
just
said
from
the
constituent
request.
L
A
Thanks-
and
I
want
to
we'll
finish
this-
we
won't
finish
this
we'll
continue
this
conversation
in
the
unresolved
issues
section
of
today's
agenda,
so
I
so
hold
those
thoughts
for
the
cip.
Are
we
fine
with
moving
on
from
that
subject?
Ben
all
right.
Thanks,
we're
gonna
move
on
to
number
item
number
four
fiscal
year:
20
22
to
23
budget,
the
finance
department
been
ben,
oh
you're,
still
here
and
mary
beth's
come
on
up.
Please.
K
While
mary
beth
is
walking
up,
you
can
find
finance
in
three
places
in
the
budget
book.
Although
arguably
they're
on
every
page,
the
finance
budget
has
key
changes
on
page
38..
K
K
K
J
Good
afternoon,
council,
I
want
you
to
know.
This
is
the
first
presentation
I
have
ever
given
to
council
from
the
finance
department
ever
so.
Thank
you
very,
very
much.
It's
usually
written
briefing,
which
you
know
I
like
as
well
so,
but
I
want
to
thank
you
for
allowing
me
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
finance
department
with
me
here.
I
have
lisa
mccarver
and
I
have
chris
jennings
christopher
jennings.
He
is
the
new
procurement
official.
J
O
M
J
I
know
I'm
I'm
a
quiet
talker,
so
I
want
to
thank
you
for
this
opportunity,
I'm
going
to
start
and
then
I
will
turn
it
over
to
chris
and,
as
you
know,
the
finance
department
did
program-based
budgeting
this
year
with
insights
and
it
took
us
a
lot
of
work.
We're
really
excited
to
move
forward
with
this
project,
so
I
will
start
off
with
the
slide
deck
next
slide.
Please.
J
This
is
just
a
little
bit
of
a
highlight
of
what
we
are
currently
doing
and
some
new
stuff
that
we
will
be
doing
in
the
fiscal
year
2023.
So
the
harvard
kennedy,
business
school
and
a
p3
template.
You
will
be
seeing
their
presentation
next
week.
The
mayor
saw
their
presentation
last
month,
program-based
budgeting,
the
new
erp
rfps,
beginning
to
end.
J
What
that
means
is
that
one
individual
will
work
it
from
beginning
to
end.
Usually
we
pass
that
off,
but
chris
is
doing
a
cross-training
where
one
person
will
take
it
from
the
beginning,
all
the
way
through
to
the
end
of
award
procurement,
changes
for
sustain
sustainability
and
small
business
outreach
and
then
working,
obviously,
as
you've
heard,
with
canon
public
services
on
a
capital
asset
plan.
J
M
F
F
First
I'll,
speak
to
the
deputy
director
position
here
and,
and
my
justification
first
and
foremost,
there's
an
increased
workload
in
our
division
and
I'll
show
you
that
momentarily
in
numbers
also,
I
believe
it's
necessary
to
have
adequate
succession
planning
and
cross-training
amongst
the
administration
of
our
division.
F
F
F
F
Subs,
also
in
a
related
way,
our
contract
work
in
general
is
increasing
as
well.
We
are
certainly
processing
more
contracts
over
time.
The
contracts
that
do
come
closed
usually
generate
more
complex
procurement
activity
on
our
behalf,
so
it
is
a
good
leading
indicator
of
what
we
might
might
be
on
our
table
going
forward
and,
as
a
note,
I
may
have
entered
it
and
didn't
save
it.
When
I
updated
the
slides
that
number
at
the
bottom,
the
763
it's
actually
1064.
F
F
And
it
may
be
a
little
difficult
to
read
there.
This
is
the
outreach
portion
of
our
request
and
to
speak
to
that
a
little
bit.
Public
procurement
is
a
little
bit
distinct
in.
If
you
compare
it
to
other
forms
of
procurement,
we
have
notice
requirements.
We
have
to
follow
a
formal
administrative
process.
We
have
to
follow
all
the
tenants
of
good
governance
in
the
business
community.
This
can
be
a
bit
alien,
as
you
know,
as
a
an
individual,
you
can
just
kind
of
buy
what
you
want.
F
F
Nowhere
to
go
to
register
on
our
e-procurement
site
to
know
how
to
respond
to
rfps
small
business
in
in
my
experience
in
in
other,
you
know,
lesser-funded
businesses
might
not
have
the
experience
they
might
be
intimidated
by
the
nature
of
how
we
conduct
our
business,
and
so
this
request
is
to
enable
us
to
have
a
form
of
reach
out
to
these
entities
to
participate
in
the
process
of
public
procurement.
F
Formerly,
I
was
with
the
state
of
utah,
and
I
found
that
these
smaller
businesses
often
had
our
interests
in
mind
as
well.
More
than
maybe
a
larger
business,
that's
a
multinational
or
a
national
level
business.
So
my
intent
would
be
to
create
things
like
workshops
where
we
could
explain
how
public
procurement
works.
Why
we
do
what
we
do?
How
do
you
get
involved
and
at
the
very
least,
level
the
playing
field
and
allow
them
to
participate?
F
Good
afternoon,
council,
so
thank
you,
so
the
other
request
that
the
finance
department
has
is
for
a
new
position
in
our
landlord
tenant
group.
F
You
know,
as
you
may
remember,
that
unit
became
fully
functional
in
2011.,
so
we've
been
working
even
with
the
huge
increase
in
rental
units
in
the
city
with
the
same
three
staff
members
for
that
for
that
last
period
of
time.
So
it's
gotten
harder
and
harder
for
us
to
keep
up
with
the
workload
of
that
group
in
2011
we
had
about
21
000
rental
units.
Next.
F
Oh
thanks
licensed
under
the
program
today
we
have
over
40
000,
so
we've
almost
doubled
the
workload
and
the
number
of
units
that
we
manage
with
those
same
people.
The
other
thing
that's
happened
over
that
time.
Is
you
know.
One
of
the
benefits
of
the
program
is
that
we
review
police
reports
for
these
properties
and
we
notify
owners
that
there's
been
activity
in
their
properties.
You
know
back
in
2013
when
we
first
got
that
fully
functional.
We
were
reviewing
a
little
over
a
hundred
police
reports
a
month
now
we're
reviewing
over
a
thousand.
F
F
So
I'm
hoping
that
you
know
you
can
see
that
we
have
a
need
for
that.
For
that
position.
You
know
at
the
current
rate
we
charge
20
per
unit,
so
you
know
with
our
increase
in
units
and
that
revenue
we
feel
like.
We
can
almost
fund
that
position
just
with
the
increases
that
we've
seen
and
our
staff
has
been
working
a
lot
of
overtime
just
to
try
and
keep
up
with
that,
and
did
you
show
them
that?
Oh
so
then.
F
J
J
So
the
next
position
we're
requesting
is
a
financial
analyst
for
the
budget
division.
This
position
is
not
a
budget
position,
it's
more
a
financial
analyst
for
all
the
smaller
departments,
as
we
move
forward
with
program-based
budgeting
and
as
financing
gets
a
little
bit
more
complicated,
the
smaller
department's
attorney's
office,
e-911
hr,
they
don't
have
a
financial
analyst
or
a
finance
manager.
This
position
would
cover
all
of
those
small
departments
underneath
the
finance
department,
so
that
we
could
help
assist
those
departments
moving
forward
with
program-based
budgeting
with
their
financials
moving
forward
next
slide.
Please.
J
So
this
financial
analyst
for
the
revenue
division
is
a
financial
analyst
for
data.
Andrew
reed
is
really
our
only
financial
analyst
that
does
a
lot
of
data
analysis
on
sales.
Tax
has
been
working
with,
pbb
has
been
doing
property
tax
analysis
and,
as
we
get
as
we
as
I
say,
grow
up.
Salt
lake
city
grows
up
that
data
becomes
more
and
more
important
to
you.
It
becomes
more
and
more
to
important
to
the
administration.
It
also
becomes
more
important
to
our
residents.
J
J
For
you,
like
the
one
that
you
saw
the
other
day
on
sales
tax
start
doing
some
stackable
funding
sources
like
stacking
business,
licensing
on
top
of
property
tax
on
top
of
sales
tax,
so
that
you
can
kind
of
see
the
stacks
of
funding
and
where
they're
located
inside
an
area
and
we're
working
with
ims
on
that.
But
this
takes
individuals
as
well.
So
next
slide.
S
Yes,
sorry,
I
missed
my
my
little
chance,
but
I
I
think
I
got
people's
attention.
I
I
own
the
landlord
good
good
launder
program.
I
I
you
know.
I
very
much
support
this
program
and
I
believe
it's
very
important-
and
I
I
think
this
is
a
good
opportunity
for
me
to
ask
a
clarifying
question
about
the
program
and
it
relates
to
how
to
do.
S
We
have
any
requirements,
two
landlords
about
advertising
to
the
residents
about
the
program,
so
they
also
they
have
an
opportunity
to
reach
out
to
the
city
in
case
there
is
issues
and
is
that
requirement
posted
in
the
buildings,
and
I
you
know
that
I
guess
that
might
that
would
be
my
question.
J
I
can
answer
it
okay,
so
the
answer
is
no
so
for
residents
we
don't
so
I
actually
titled
this
good
landlord,
but
what
the
council
adopted
was
a
landlord
tenant
program
and
the
landlord
program.
I
think
we've
done
a
pretty
good
job
with,
but
the
tenant
program.
I
would
like
to
focus
more
on,
but,
as
you
can
see
you
know,
police
reports
have
grown,
tenants
have
grown
and
you
know
we're
just
barely
keeping
up
with
what
we
have
at
this
at
this
time.
J
S
I
I
understand
that
you
they
focus
on,
and
I
appreciate
you
saying
that
that
you,
you
guys
want
to
focus
a
little
more
on
the
tenants
and
minimizing
the
the
issues
that
they
have
with
the
city
and
I
feel
like
sometimes
tenants-
are
the
best
way
of
finding
those
out
you
know.
S
I
hear
a
lot
about
tenants
that
are
being
unfair
or
they're
doing
things
that
they're
very
sketchy
or
they're,
not
taking
care
of
properties
in
ways
that
break
some
rules,
but
they
don't
know
who
to
reach
out,
and
they
send
it
to
me,
and
so
I
I
wonder
if
there
is
a
way
to
tweak
that
program
and
to
to
help
the
public
those
those
tenants
know
that
this
exists.
F
Right,
I
think
we
can
so
there
is
a
management
agreement
that
each
of
the
landlords
signs
with
us
as
they
enter
the
program
that
certainly
certainly
some
language.
We
could
tweak
in
that
management
agreement
to
have
them
include
that
information
with
their
leasing
with
their
leasing
papers.
So
I
think
that's
definitely
something
we
can
add.
J
O
Great
yeah,
I
would
sorry
mary
beth
what
I
think
they're.
What
will
be
generated
from
this
is
the
city
serving
as
the
ombuds
person,
so
to
speak,
for
the
tenants
who
are
having
disputes
or
physical
plant
concerns
with
their
landlords.
That's
a
whole
new
service
level.
So
I
don't
think
that
you
would,
you
might
be
able
to
start
it
up
without
ftes,
but
I'm
pretty
sure
that
it's
a
pretty
big
staffing
commitment.
J
Okay,
thank
you.
The
external
can.
I
I
add
one
more
thing
to
that
program,
mostly
because
it
was
it's
just
in
my
head
as
it
sounds
to
me
and,
and
please
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
in
some
ways
as
we're
looking
at
the
landlord
side,
sort
of
educating
and
helping
the
landlord
with
their
properties
that
falls
under
sort
of
businesses
and
licensing.
Is
that
accurate,
that's
correct?
I
So
today
I
was
in
a
training
and
we
were
talking
about
just
different
implicit
biases
and
things
and
something
that
was
brought
up
was
restrictive,
covenants
which,
based
on
certain
things,
are
unconstitutional,
but
the
sort
of
sentiment
can
still
linger
which,
as
we
have
seen
in
all
of
our
budget
presentations-
and
I
know
that
in
talking
with
you
and
your
team
equity
inclusion,
diversity
making
sure
are
sort
of
a
lens
that
we're
looking
at
throughout
the
entire
budget
and
making
sure
we're
doing
things.
I
And
I'm
curious
if
and
I'd
like
to
talk
to
you
maybe
offline
about
this-
of
having
some
educational
materials
about
those
past
lingering
unconstitutional,
restrictive
covenants
that
may
still
be
sort
of
unintentionally
there
as
we're
leasing,
leasing,
apartments
or
looking
at
property
owners.
If
we're
kind
of
creating
some
educational
material
or
having
those
discussions
with
them,
maybe
there's
a
way
to
incorporate.
J
So
they
are
supposed
to
go
through
landlord
training.
I
think
that's
a
great
idea
as
to
to
ask
the
two
individuals
that
are
doing
that
training
to
incorporate
that
at
one
point
in
time
we
had
our
own
online
training
and
I
know
that
people
loved
it.
The
problem
is
keeping
it
up
and
maintaining.
It
was
very
difficult
for
business
licensing
in
the
finance
department,
because
laws
changed
things
changed
so
rapidly
that
it
was
outdated.
J
J
Yep,
so
the
external
audit,
for
it
this
came
about
when
the
cio
and
and
myself
started
discussing
external
audits,
I'm
hoping
aaron
is
on
and
he
can
walk
through
what
our
vision
is.
But
I
think
what
we're
looking
at
is
envisioning
doing
a
one-time
audit
for
certain
departments
and
certain
software,
and
then
we'd
do
the
next
year.
We'd
do
a
different
type
of
internal
audit
as
we
move
forward.
J
J
J
A
Questions-
I
just
one
question
this
on
this
item
right
here,
so
the
program-based
budgeting
will
basically
get
the
software,
then
we'll
be
trained
to
do
it
ourselves
and
do
any
of
the
internal
training
we
need
to
do.
J
Correct,
so
that's
what
we
did
with
the
police
department
we
trained
the
police
department
they
went
in,
did
their
allocation
of
costs
created
their
programs.
Some
of
the
programs
in
the
software
have
already
been
developed.
Others
have
not,
so
they
added
additional
programs.
That's
what
happened
with
finance
as
well
starting
the
end
of
june.
We
will
start
bringing
on
other
departments
I'm
hoping
and
crossing
my
fingers.
J
There
will
be
at
least
five
that
we
can
get
done,
create
those
programs
with
those
five
and
then
move
forward
so
that
I've
kind
of
discussed
this
before
so
that
that
program-based
budgeting
is
pushed
up
for
the
mayor.
So
she
can
see
those
priorities
earlier,
which
then
also
gives
you
some
time
to
be
educated
and
then
move
forward
with
the
budget.
I
Thank
you
going
back
to
the
outreach
to
local
businesses
program,
which
I
very
much
appreciate
a
lot.
So
I
think
that's
a
great
program,
I'm
wondering
if
there
is
a
way
to
be
creative
and
make
that
arp
eligible.
O
A
I
hate
taking
my
glasses
off
and
my
mask
off.
It's
like
I'm
just
constantly
doing
something
here,
any
other
questions
for
the
finance.
J
G
G
A
Number:
six
fiscal
year,
2022-23
budget,
unresolved
issues,
follow-up
at
the
table.
We
have
jennifer
bruno
allison
roland
and
we
have
also
ben
which
should
be
joining
us
here
shortly
on
sylvia
jennifer.
It's
all
yours
thank.
M
You,
mr
chair,
so
we
left
off
at
let's
see
item
number
two.
On
page
three
of
the
staff
report
last
discussion:
you
made
it
through
all
of
the
potential
additions
and
all
of
the
potential
cuts
to
the
budget.
M
Some
of
the
items
you
concluded
and
others
you
said
you'd
come
back
to
the
next
item-
is
to
go
through
all
new
positions
proposed
by
the
administration
and
staff
has
listed
all
of
the
new
positions
in
that
big
unresolved
issues,
tracking
sheet
that
you
have
at
your
places
by
department
and
we've
separated
out
the
ones
that
are
sort
of
truly
new
from
the
ones
that
were
sort
of
added
in
the
budget
amendments
over
the
years
and
just
carried
forward.
M
So
that's
why
you
only
see
the
truly
new
positions
in
that,
but
before
we
get
to
the
new
positions,
I
just
have
a
really
quick
like
housekeeping
thing.
We
got
the
final
notification
from
the
county
that
the
judgment
levy
is
76
000
higher
than
what
was
included
in
the
mayor's
recommended
budget,
which
is
always
good
news.
It's
a
little
amount,
but
every
little
bit
helps
so
maybe
real
quick
is
the
council?
Okay,
adding
that
amount
into
the
budget
as
we
go
through
these
discussions,
I'm
seeing
nods
and
I'm
seeing
knots
great
yep,
seven.
I
I'm
getting
sorry,
mr
jeremy,
I
interrupt
just
real
quick
good,
so
you
said
the
next
idea
is
to
go
through
the
new
positions.
M
I
Can
if
it's
okay
with
the
mr
chair,
I'd
like
to
go
back
to
one
of
the
one
of
the
items
in
number
two
yep
and
I
think
to
my
point
earlier.
It's
item
2i.
I
Concerns
about
that
social
impact
bond
and
that
10
million-
and
I
would
like
to
look
at-
and
this
is
why
I'd
like
to
see
which
projects
are
arpa
available,
and
I
just
kind
of
wanted
to
throw
this
out
and
get
other
council
members
thoughts
on
that
eye.
And
if
there
is,
if
I'm,
the
only
one,
then
I'll
leave
it
alone.
But
if
I'm
not,
then
I
think
I
kind
of
want
to
see
make
sure
that
staff
has
direction
towards
where
we're
at
with
that.
I
And
if,
like
I
said,
if
I'm
the
only
one,
then
there's
no
point
in
having
staff.
Do
all
the
work
to
say
this
is
our
eligible
or
this
is
our
eligible
and
be
able
to
kind
of
play
with
that
a
little
bit
so.
But
if
I'm
not
the
only
one,
then
I
would
like
to
make
sure
that
we're
going
forward
before
we
get
to
that
final
decision
making.
A
And
so
some
of
the
questions
are
like
the
pay
for
performance,
the
the
the
out
the
five
year
out
outlook
past
five
years
and
some
other
kind
of
concerns
and
questions
in
general.
I
Yeah
and
I
saw
the
email
that
cindy
wrote
to
administration,
I
know
that
they,
I'm
certain
sure
they
haven't
gotten
back
to
those
questions,
but
we're
sort
of,
in
my
mind
at
a
decision
where,
if
there
is
money,
if
there
are
projects
in
the
budget
that
are
arpa
available
and
particularly
if
there
are
one-time
projects
like
an
infrastructure
project,
I
would
really
like
to
look
at
using
that
art
and
again
that
it's
available
I'd
like
to
look
at
using
that
money,
because
then
we're
not
continuing
this
sort
of
structural
deficit
in
some
ways
with
ongoing
needs
not
saying
I
recognize
the
project's
supposed
to
end
and
the
10
million
is
going
to
cover
the
five
years
and
all
of
that.
I
But
I
I
again
I
those
are
some
of
the
concerns
I
have.
Q
The
mayor
raised
her
hand
and
I
think
it
would
be
helpful
to
hear
like
an
update
on
that.
B
Thanks
ben
yeah,
thanks,
can
you
hear
me
this
on?
I
just
want
to
take
us
back
that
we've,
given
you
a
balanced
budget
that
still
maintains
the
10
million
set
aside
for
the
early
childhood
education
phase,
two
of
the
financing
option.
Research
has
been
done
by
sorensen
and
it
was
finished
up
right
about
the
time
that
the
budget
process
began
here
in
early
may.
So
we
recognized
that
timing
didn't
work
out
to
bring
that
to
you,
but
those
conversations
are
now
progressing
between
my
office
and
the
leads
with
those
community
partners.
B
I
also
have
heard-
and
I
really
agree
with
your
questioning
council
member
fowler
of
you-
know
what
what
is
the
city's
role
in
certain
subjects,
issues
things
we
try
to
face
as
a
city
and
then
where
can
we
amplify
existing
nonprofits
and
organizations
that
are
already
out
there
doing
the
work?
This
is
one
of
those
places
where
we
are
recognizing
there's
a
tremendous
need,
economically
with
families
in
the
city
to
survive
and
then
to
be
able
to
thrive.
B
So
I
just
want
to
make
that
plug
we're
ready
for
the
conversation
with
you
on
the
results
of
the
phase
2
work
with
sorenson.
I
know
it's
a
tremendous
amount
of
money,
but
I
also
am
very
confident
that
ours
would
be
not
the
majority
of
the
funds
brought
into
this
by
the
community
partners
who
we're
working
with
right
now,
meaning
that
I
think,
there's
even
more
money
that
we
could
bring
with
our
leveraged
investment.
A
O
N
Well,
I
have
I've
said
this
to
anyone
who
will
listen
and
so
mayor.
I
need
you
to
hear
my
heart
in
case
my
tone
or
my
words:
don't
communicate
exactly
what
I
want
to
communicate
here,
but
I
think
the
reason
historically,
investments
like
this
have
not
had
the
transformational
effect
that
we
want
them
to
have
is
something
that
we're
already
seeing
in
this
process
is
that
we
have
really
great
researchers
with
really
good
academic
data
and
I've.
N
N
N
As
a
west
side
mother,
who
has
claimed
the
income-based
tax
credit,
the
the
earned
income
tax
credit
three
times
in
the
past
decade,
who
had
to
exempt
herself
from
a
workforce
for
several
years
because
she
had
children
needing
daycare,
I
can
attest
that
we
actually
have
some
really
decent
options.
Over
on
the
west
side,
I
see
after
school
as
a
much
bigger
hole
where
we're
losing
young
people
and
if
we're
going
to
make
a
transformational
capital
investment,
I
could
see
opportunities
there.
N
So,
while
I'm
open
to
being
persuaded,
I
haven't
seen
research
and
data
gathering
that
reflects
the
both
and
which
we're
doing
the
part
of
the
top-down
policy
making
and
appropriations,
and
we
need
that
grassroots
voice,
elevated
to
confirm
it's.
What
they
need
to
confirm
that
this
is
actually
the
equity
building
project
with
buy-in
that
we
want
it
to
be.
I've
spoken
to
people
from
the
sorensen
impact
center.
I
am
by
no
means
laying
this
responsibility
at
your
feet,
but
this
is
a
really
really
big
concern
for
me.
N
B
N
I
Thank
you
and
I
think,
if
I
can
just
clarify
sort
of
why
this
is
important
for
me.
I
I
don't
know
that.
There's
projects
sufficient
within
the
budget
that
are
one-time
costs
that
we
would
be
able
to
say
this
has
a
dent
in
the
property
tax
increase.
But
as
we
are,
you
know
that
we
funded
a
lot
of
things
that
I
know
the
council
member
of
aldemoros,
and
I
did
not
agree
with
last
year
and
knowing
that
this
property
tax
increase
was
coming
down
the
pipeline
and
so
for
me
as
we're
coming
out
of
covid
we're
trying
to.
We
did
have
great
revenues.
That's
awesome.
I
We
are
looking
at
inflation,
we're
probably
looking
at
a
potential
recession.
Our
residents
are
going
to
be
struggling
in
the
next
few
years
and
and
our
small
businesses,
the
huge
impact
that
is
going
to
happen
with
these
property
tax
increases
is
the
the
small
and
medium
businesses,
and
so
for
me.
I
That's
why
I
want
to
just
look
at
what
are,
if
any,
some
of
those
projects,
particularly
if
they
are
one-time
funded,
so
that
we're
not,
as
I
mentioned,
continuing
this
sort
of
structural
deficit
that
are
eligible,
that
we
could
use
that
are
still
maintaining
the
lifeboat
for
people
right
and
or
and
or
building
that
lifeboat.
So
that's
why
this
question
for
me
is
important,
as
it
relates
to
the
budget.
L
Thanks
yeah,
I
I
don't
expect
an
answer
to
this
day
because
I
think
I'm
getting
really
far
in
the
weeds,
but
my
questions
about
the
early
education
funding
are
on
the
financing
mechanism
for
it.
So
if
we
have
10
million
dollars-
and
I
know
that
10
million
dollars
is
seed,
money
for
private
investment
or
something
like
that-
I'm
not
exactly
sure
how
that
works.
L
So
I
want
to
figure
that
out,
but
the
my
understanding,
at
least
from
our
previous
discussion
and
this
phase,
two
study
may
actually
clarify
that
better
is
that
the
arpa
money
was
actually
used
as
the
success
payment
which,
which
is
the
repayment
of
the
the
social
impact
investors
initial
seed
funding.
So
I
I'm
trying
to
figure
out
a
is
that
even
arpa
eligible
itself,
because
that
money
wouldn't
happen
until
five
years
from
now
like
that
payment
wouldn't
go
out
until
five
years
from
now,
because
the
success
cannot
be
demonstrated
for
that
five
years.
B
A
M
We've
we've
received
an
update
kind
of
like
a
high
level
update
from
rachel
via
email,
but
not
the
actual
study
results,
and
so
apologies
for
I
mean.
O
D
I'm
not
necessarily
trying
to
chime
in,
but
I
I
will
just
thank
you
for
allowing
me
to
give
you
that
brief
high
level
update
last
week
and
sorensen
did
do
work
on
financing
options
and
we've
gotten.
You
know
some
good
feedback
on
the
pay
for
success
type
model
that
I
think
warrants.
You
know
us
to
look
really
closely
at
whether
or
not
the
city
would
want
to
go
down
a
path
of
pay
for
success.
D
There's
a
way
to
do.
You
know
performance-based
contracting.
That
seems
to
be,
I
think,
maybe
more
within
our
comfort
level
that
focuses.
It
really
shifts
more
of
the
risk
onto
the
providers
and
what
the
providers
are.
You
know
what
what
their,
what
they
are,
the
services
they
are
providing,
as
opposed
to
looking
at
the
outcomes
that
some
would
argue,
really
kind
of
perpetuates
a
cycle
of
needing
people
to
you
know
feed
into
a
system
to
it
creates
kind
of
a
perverse
incentive
to
continue
that
the
pipeline.
D
If
you're
looking
at
the
success
that
then
pays
back
the
investors,
so
I
think
you
know
our
recommendation
would
be
to
the
council
to
move
away
from
the
pay
for
success
model
which
councilmember
romano
just
mentioned,
and
more
into
a
hybrid
or
a
performance-based
model,
which
would
be
a
direct,
a
more
direct
appropriation.
D
S
I
rachel
thank
you
for
that.
I
I
need
to
learn
a
little
more
about
performance
based
models.
I
don't
know
much
about
them.
S
I
do
know
about
pay
for
success
and
their
success
for
the
most
part,
and
but
I
I
in
a
vacuum,
in
a
vacuum
where
there
wasn't
a
library
increase,
a
potential
tax
increase
from
the
city
where
there
wasn't
a
bond,
I'm
all
for
this
type
of
situations
and
like
it
was
mentioned,
the
impact
of
something
like
this
in
communities
like
the
west
side
could
be
beneficial,
but
we
are
discussing
a
budget
and
I
think
we
need
to
put
it
all
in
perspective
right
now,
as
it
impacts
everybody,
and
you
know
what
how
much
money
people
have
at
the
end
of
the
day
to
pay
their
bills
and
to
buy
the
bus
ticket
to
go
to
work
tomorrow.
S
It's
as
important
to
to
to
make
to
put
in
consideration
and
to
put
in
perspective-
and
that
said,
I
am
not
saying
that
I'm
not
supportive
of
this.
What
I'm
saying
is
is
is
very
soon,
and
I
need
to
learn
a
lot
more
about
this
performance-based
model,
because
we
are
discussing
the
whole
budget.
So
if
we
can
get
a
little
more
information
about
this,
I
will
be.
I
will
feel
more
comfortable
about
allocating
this
money.
S
Is
there,
especially
when
the
tax
increase
from
the
city-
and
I
know
that
these
are
different
buckets
of
money?
It's
less
than
half
of
what
this
money
is.
You
know
these
10
million
dollars
so
and
again,
I
understand
that
there
are
different
buckets
of
money,
and
this
is
one
time
money
and
whatnot,
but
I
that
that
is
something
that
I
I
feel
very
strongly
about,
and
I
would
like
to
get
more
information
about
this.
Thank
you.
Q
So
my
understanding
of
of
that
money
is
that
the
money
that
we
set
aside
is
because
that's
one-time
money,
and
because
that
has
even
more
narrow
restrictions
on
it
I
mean.
Wouldn't
we
be
causing
the
more
of
the
issue
if
we
release
some
of
that
funds
to
pay
for
some
of
the
things
that
we're
discussing
here.
With
these
increases,
I
mean
the
majority
of
what
we're
discussing
is
staff.
I
Can
I
yes,
but
that
that's
why
I
asked
if
there
were
projects
particularly
one
time,
okay,
spending
projects
like
infrastructure
projects,
for
example
that
and
that's
the
only
thing
I
can
think
of
that
may
or
may
not
be
our.
I
mean
I
don't
know
if
that
would
be
arpa
funding
but
eligible,
but
that's
why
I
would
like
to
look
at.
I
Q
I
understand
now
that
that
clarifies
better
for
me,
but
I
am
also
glad
to
hear
that
we're
looking
at
other
models
and
moving
away
from
the
pay
for
success,
because
that
has
the
biggest
point
of
concern
for
me,
and
I
think
I
shared
that
early
on
in
the
process
that,
but
I
I
think
anecdotally,
from
what
I
hear
from
residents
that
that
that
sounds
like
those
are.
The
areas
that
would
be
what's
being
proposed
would
be
the
areas
that
would
have
the
biggest
long-lasting
impact
and,
of
course,
want
to
see.
Q
The
studies
want
to
want
to
talk
to
residents
and
get
their
input
like
councilmember.
Peter
eschler
is
saying
so.
My
concern
is,
is
more
along
the
lines
of
of
making
sure
that
we
do
have
the
right
model
and
and
for
I'm,
not
I'm
not
sold
on
pay
for
success.
But
I
am
willing
to
hear
the
pitch
again
and
I
would
like
to
hear
other
alternatives
to
that
and-
and
I
really
don't
feel
like-
I
can
make
a
good
decision
about
what
to
do
with
the
money
that
we've
set
aside.
A
So
I'm
looking
at,
we
have
a
few
days
left
to
discuss
this.
We
do
have
thursday
to
discuss
and
we
have
some
questions
if
we
can
get
answered.
I
know
that
it
would
be
raw
answers
for
us
to
discuss
this
matter,
but
and
we
got
to
kind
of
study
it
ourselves,
so
we
can
have
another
discussion
on
thursday,
but
we
got
to
come
up
with
a
plan
to
move
ahead,
but
I
think
there's
a
lot
more
unknown
questions
or
or
unanswered
questions
at
this
point
that
we
need
to
review
and
then
discuss
on
thursday.
A
Q
A
D
I
was
actually
just
about
to
ask
whether
it
would
be
okay
if
I
do
send
the
slides
to
you
all,
even
though
I
I
hate
to
drop
it
on
the
council
without
a
lot
of
context,
not
that
you
wouldn't
be
able
to
get
it,
but
just
I
it
wouldn't
be
like
in
a
formal
transmittal.
D
So,
but
if
that's
okay,
we
can
we
can
do
that,
and
we
can
also
answer
this.
The
questions
that
cindy
has
raised
in
her
email
as
a
starting
point
and
then
talk
more
on
thursday.
If
you'd
like.
O
D
Maybe
jake
or
ben
can
chime
in
I've.
I
haven't
actually
seen
a
written
report.
I've
seen
really
the
findings
in
slides.
So
is
there
a
written
report
that
we
could
also
send
jake
or
ben.
K
There's
not
a
written
report,
it's
just
all
in
slides.
B
With
appendices,
I
I
wanted
to
say
that
we're
happy.
I
know
we
can
share
with
you
the
60
or
70
slides
or
whatever
that
we've
been
given
through
the
phase
two
discussions,
but
our
next
step
was
going
to
be
to
try
to
come
to
you
with
that,
with
the
leadership
of
the
school
district
and
head
start,
because
those
are
the
partners
who
we
would
be
amplifying
here.
So
that
was
my
next
step.
B
But
if
you
want-
and
I
I
don't-
I
mean
it's
the
budget
process,
so
it's
the
sausage
making.
I
think
this
study
deserves
a
lot
more
than
you're
going
to
be
able
to
do
on
thursday
as
you're
finishing
up
the
budget
here.
But
we'll
do
our
best
to
answer
all
the
questions
we
received
this
morning
from
cindy
and
if
the
slides
are
helpful,
we
can
share
those
out
of
out
of
the
context
of
the
broader
discussion.
L
So
I
I
am
okay
having
the
discussion
on
thursday.
I
just
think
it
can't
be
our
only
discussion.
I
I
would
agree
with
the
mayor
that
it
probably
deserves
more
than
what
we
have
the
capacity
to
do
this
week.
L
S
I
just
to
to
that
point
consumer
manual
on
it.
It
just
brought
up
a
thought
and
how
do
we
arrive
to
the
10
million
dollar
number
and
could
could
eight
or
nine
or
five
make
a
difference?
And-
and
you
know
because
that
could
answer
some
of
the
questions
that
councilman
romano
just
mentioned.
Could
we
do
a
smaller
one
that
maybe
still
has
an
impact
or
perfor
you
know
so
yeah.
That's
the
question.
Sorry,
my
brain.
A
I
Maybe
that
we
can
have
that
question
sort
of
answered
up
for
thursday,
because
I
think
to
council
member
poohi's
point
and
also
to
your
point,
councilmember,
mano
and
kind
of
reiterating
my
thoughts
on
this
is
that
they're
in
within
the
budget.
There
probably
is
not
10
million
dollars
worth
of
projects
that
we
can
fund
with
this
arpa
money
right,
but
in
terms
of
let's
say
there
was
one
million
to
simply
an
offset
a
little
future
increases
in
property
taxes.
I
At
the
end
of
the
day,
we
know
that
we're
going
to
most
likely
vote
on
the
property
tax
increase,
as
is
we've
already
added
money
to
this,
and
you
know
it's
we're
taking
out
the
credit
card
and
and
we're
keep
putting
stuff
on
it,
but
in
future,
looking
it's
sort
of
as
if
we
there
are
some
things
to
offset
a
little
bit
of
the
budget,
hopefully
that
we
don't
have
to
put
our
residents
through
this
year
in
year
and
year
again,
until
we
make
all
of
that
structural
deficit
up.
I
So
I
think
to
your
point
councilmember.
If
we
had
that
answer
it's
like.
Why
is
this?
The
10
million
then
doll
and
if
they're
and
look
at
the
end
of
the
day,
if
there
aren't
any
eligible
projects
and
we
decide
not
to
use
it
fine.
But
I
would
like
to
have
that
information
so
that
I
can
also
make
that
decision
for
me,
and
I
may
be
the
only
one
here
but.
Q
So
without
opening
like
another
box,
another
pandora's
box
to
add
to
all
of
the
complications
and
all
of
the
things
that
we're
trying
to
answer
with
this
budget,
can't
we
answer
the
questions
for
what
we
need
to
know
right
now
by
knowing,
if
there's
anything
in
the
proposed
increases
that
would
be
eligible.
Isn't
that
the
only
thing
we
need
to
know?
I
think
that
if.
M
If,
to
the
extent
that
there
are
to
the
extent
that
there
are
any
capital
projects
that
are
arpa
eligible,
that
is
money
that
could
be
used
to
offset
the
tax
increase.
Does
that
make
sense
like
it's?
It's
one.
Capital
projects
are
by
their
nature
one
time,
and
so
I
think
that
that's
the
genesis
of
the
conversation
is
technically
technically
speaking.
It's
possible
right,
but
but.
M
Q
But
just
the
arpa
ones:
okay-
sorry,
maybe
I'm
not
I'm
not!
Maybe
I'm
not
being
clear
on
what
my
line
of
thinking,
because
I
could
totally
be
wrong
in
the
assumptions
that
I'm
making.
Q
So
my
assumptions
are
this
that
if
there
are
existing
or
ongoing
programs,
any
discussions
that
we've
had
prior
to
may
about
projects
and
trying
to
fund
things,
I
feel
like
we've
been
going
through
all
of
those
as
they
come
forward.
Seeing
is
this
arpa
eligible
or
not,
so
I
feel
like
a
lot
of
that
stuff.
Q
We've
already
kind
of
done
that
analysis,
and
then
there
are
some
things
that
you
know
we're
in
the
mayor's
proposed
budget
presentation
changes
to
what
we
have
in
place
that
maybe
haven't
had
as
much
time
to
go
through
and
see
if
there
are
eligible
so
my
mind
again,
based
on
all
of
my
assumptions,
if
we
just
went
through
the
things
that
are
new,
wouldn't
that
give
us
the
answer
about
whether
or
not
we
we
want
to
put
some
of
that
money
that
we
put
aside,
that
10
million
on
the
table
to
offset
any
tax
increase,
and
that's
hence
my
question
at
the
beginning,
which
is
even
if
the
answer
is
yes,
aren't,
isn't
that
a
continuation
of
of
the
the
issue
that
we
have?
Q
Q
M
True,
it
will
not
undo
the
need
for
a
tax
increase.
Okay,
thank
you,
and
I
think
that,
and
I
think
that
we've
asked
for
the
arpa
eligibility
analysis
on
what's
in
the
mayor's
recommended
budget
for
cip
projects,
because
that
seems
like
the
lowest
hanging
fruit
for
arpa
eligibility
rather
than
going
through
the
entire
budget
and
and
looking
at
it
like
that.
Okay,
hopefully,
we'll
have
that
information
soon,.
Q
Yeah
because
I
mean
I,
I
understand
and
appreciate,
councilmember
fowler's
analogy
that
like
it
feels
like
we're
taking
out
the
credit
card
and
putting
more
money
on
it,
but
I
also
feel
like
at
the
same
time,
the
anna,
the
couch
cushion
analogy
that
we
often
use
is
like.
We
can't
just
go
back
to
the
couch
every
budget
year
and
shake
down
the
pillows
and
think
that
the
money's
going
to
show
up
right.
It
won't
happen.
N
Q
K
N
N
My
goal
is
to
make
sure
that
when
we
do
this
tax
increase,
we
are
doing
it
with
the
most
efficient
streamlined
direct
benefit
to
the
constituency,
and
I
do
feel
like
as
much
of
that.
Arpa
information
as
we
can
get
does
help
us
make
sure
that
we've
allocated
to
the
right
things
and
that
we've,
you
know,
we've
streamlined
things
efficiently,
but
I
agree
with
you
like,
but
I
I
see
you
all
I
I
hear
you
all
is
that
the.
Q
M
Yet
so
so
I
didn't
want
to
mention
it
because
I
didn't
want
to
promise
that
ben
could
simultaneously
be
presenting
at
the
table
and
processing
information
at
the
same
time
from
finance
that
he
received
right
before
the
meeting,
but
he's
been
doing
that
because
he's
awesome
so
he's
got
kind
of
a
list
going
together
of
potential
capital
improvements
that
are
arpa
eligible.
I
don't
know
if
it's
at
the
point
where
you
can
read
kind
of
an
order
of
magnitude.
Just
so
we
know.
Are
we
talking
five
dollars?
Are
we
talking
a
million
dollars
spare.
K
Going
to
the
go
bond,
glendale
regional
park,
fleet
block
and
three
of
the
seven
neighborhood
parks
would
be
eligible
and
the
eligibility
is
based
on.
They
have
to
be
in
a
qualified,
hud
census
track.
We
have
a
map
of
that
and
they
need
to
the
projects
need
to
benefit
low
income,
households
and
populations.
K
K
M
O
K
K
K
M
A
I
A
So
we
have
a
lot.
We
have
a
lot
to
digest
here
and
I
don't
think
it's.
We
need
to
continue
the
discussion
at
this
point
to
digest
the
questions.
We
have
a
number
of
questions.
We
have
eligible
projects
that
could
change
the
dynamics
of
this
10
million,
and
I
I
propose
that
we
discuss
this
on
on
thursday
and
continue
the
rest
of
the
unresolved
issues
at
this
time.
M
So
I'm
going
to
the
new
positions
number
three
on
page
three,
but
really
most
of
them
are
detailed
in
the
big
tracking
sheet.
So
if
you
want
to
pull
up
that-
and
I
will
share
the
screen
so
that
we
can
start
going
through
it.
M
Okay-
and
this
means
that
I
don't
see
anyone's
videos
that
are
popping
on
so
whoever's
joining
remotely,
please
just
pop
in
I'll
zoom
in
a
little
bit.
You
can
see
that
when
the
council,
when
the
council
accepted
the
judgment
levy,
let's
see
just
making
sure
that
it
looks
good
when
the
council
accepted
the
judgment
levy
that
brought
the
net
sort
of
deficit
based
on
the
previous
council
straw
polls
to
66
000.
M
So
that's
sort
of
the
current
status
where
the
council
is,
and
I
will
scroll
down
to
the
first
new
position
and
then
this
is
just
by
department.
So
this
is
not
in
order
of
anything
that
council
members
have
asked
us
to
flag.
We've
just
listed
every
single,
truly
new
position
in
each
department
on
the
sheet,
just
so
that
council
members
could
discuss
it.
So
the
first
are
in
the
attorney's
office.
It's
the
legal
secretary
three
and
the
boards
and
commissions
liaison
and
mr
chair.
I
don't
know
what
your
preference
is
to
go
through
these.
M
M
M
Okay,
then,
the
community
and
neighborhoods,
so
these
are
new
positions
relating
to
existing
programs,
so
we've
separated
out
by
new
positions
relating
to
existing
programs,
new
positions
related
to
new
programs.
So
in
can
the
new
positions
relating
to
existing
programs
are
a
civil
enforcement
officer,
two
building
inspectors
and
two
transportation
planners
funded
with
funding
our
future.
M
M
The
two
additional
ones
are
actually
down
on
line
41.
Those
are
those
were
added
by
the
council,
so
back
up
on
line
38.
These
are
new
positions
in
can
related
to
new
programs.
There's
a
my
brother's
keeper
position
and
northwest
quadrant
liaison.
Now
the
northwest
quadrant
liaison
is
technically
a
new
position.
Technically
a
new
program.
M
So
economic
development
is
not
adding
any
truly
new
positions
because
their
position
was
a
transfer
in
finance
new
position
related.
These
are
all
new
positions
related
to
existing
programs.
You
discussed
them
in
the
earlier
discussions,
so
I
won't
spend
a
bunch
of
time
unless
there
are
additional
questions
or
reconsiderations
of
including
those.
E
I
have
a
question
so
I'm
not
under
I'm,
not
understanding
like
the
math
here
like
so
the
on
the
one
column
you
have,
you
have
okay
the
amount
and
then
an
expense.
M
If
you
want
to
make
changes,
that's
when
I
go
to
columns
d
or
e.
So
if
you
want
to
make
a
change
to
the
revenue,
it
goes
in
column
d.
In
this
case,
we
would
make
a
change
to
the
expense.
So,
like
let's
say
you
wanted
to
remove
a
position,
I
would
subtract
the
amount,
that's
included
in
the
budget
in
that
column-
and
this
is
this
is
just
for
our
staff
tracking,
so
that
we
can
make
sure
you're
balanced,
so
that
number
at
the
top
is
what
is
constant.
What
we're
constantly
looking
at
right.
E
M
Proposed
in
the
mayor's
recommended
budget,
so
these
are
all
positions
that
are
proposed
in
the
mayor's
budget,
and
so
we've
listed
them
because
we've
gotten
questions
from
council
members
about
do.
We
need
all
of
the
new
positions.
Okay,
and
so
this
is
a
way
for
you
to
say.
Let's
say
you
did
not
want
that
building
inspector
you
can
watch
so
like.
If
you
did
not
want
that
building
inspector,
we
would
do
a
subtraction
on
the
expenses
of
negative
143,
and
then
that
puts
you
in
the
positive
in
terms
of
balancing.
M
A
And
all
those
top
lines
like
top
line,
51
or
59
of
the
nfps,
those
are
what
we
agreed
to
last
time.
Yes,
on
thursday,
we
strap
that
to
recapture
those
three
months
of
the
non-representative
salary
adjustment,
okay,.
M
A
And
councilmember,
if
you
have
a
question,
just
go
ahead
and
ask
it
because
I
I
may
not
be
able
to
see
your
face.
M
And
council
member
pouie,
my
apologies,
you'll
notice
that
the
net
number
at
the
top
there
is
different
from
the
sheet
that
you
have
printed
out
for
at
home,
and
it's
because
we
got
information
after
we
printed
out
the
the
sheet
for
you.
So
we
got
additional
information
that
that
added
money
to
our
revenue,
which
is
good.
S
M
M
It
was
probably
eight
or
nine
years
ago
it
started
with
the
downtown,
and
it
was
as
a
result
of
the
data
from
the
fire
department
showing
that,
like
80
percent
of
their
calls,
were
medical,
and
so
the
main
unit
has
been
stationed
in
downtown
and
just
operates
essentially
during
the
work
week
and
what
was
a
huge
success
from
a
both
a
fleet
and
fuel
standpoint,
as
well
as
like
a
service
delivery
standpoint.
M
M
M
Okay,
so
down
to
human
resources
line
68.
These
are
all
the
new
positions
and
they're
relating
to
again,
like
kind
of
like
the
fire
department,
existing
and
expanding
program.
I
think
that
the
apprenticeships
recruiter
is
definitely
an
expansion
of
the
program
that
the
council
started
with
arpa
dollars
last
year
for
the
apprenticeship
program,
but
it's
definitely
related
to
an
existing
program.
I
Can
I
ask
a
quick
question:
you
may
not
know
the
answer.
It
may
have
to
be
a
question
that
we
come
back
to
on
thursday,
but
and
it's
I'm
not
suggesting
cutting
this
at
all,
but
just
a
clarification.
Is
this
an
hr
recruiter
for
apprenticeship
interns
for
all
of
the
departments
that
would
benefit
all
of
the
departments
right.
M
Okay,
perfect,
thank
you
and
I
did
want
to
flag
we've
been
sending
you
guys
so
much
information
that
I'm
sure
it
got
lost
in
the
email.
Shuffle.
Finance
did
work
with
hr
to
provide
some
of
the
data
on
that
apprenticeship
program
and
participation
in
that
program
in
various
departments,
and
so
that's
in
your
email.
If
you're
interested,
I
can
find
it
and
bubble
it
up,
but
it's
somewhere
in
your
email.
M
So
jen
yes,
go
ahead.
Council
member.
S
S
What
is
it
I
saw
it
community
outreach
recruiting
coordinator
85
line
85..
How
do
we
remember?
I
don't
know
if
I
wasn't
paying
attention
for
you
know
at
that
moment,
but
how
do
those
two
coordinate
or
relate
or
overlap.
K
Yes,
both
positions
were
recommended
by
the
rep
commission
and
they're
intended
to
work
together.
One
is
in
the
police
department.
One
is
in
hr.
The
position
in
hr
is
the
internal
facing
position
that
would
actually
handle
the
recruitment
steps,
such
as
posting
job
descriptions,
doing
the
interviews
and
assisting
the
department
going
through
the
candidates.
M
M
The
next
section
is
the
police,
starting
on
line
80..
These
are
positions
relating
to
existing
programs.
Q
A
K
Yes,
the
these
are
two
new
management
level
positions
the
director
and
the
coordinator.
They
are
new.
This
would
be
expanding
the
service
level
of
the
victim
advocate
program
in
the
police
department,
so
they
would
be
overseeing
the
team
of
victim
advocates
that
the
police
department
currently
has,
and
it
would
be
increasing
the
ability
to
provide
trainings
to
the
victim
advocates
and
to
provide
additional
services
to
survivors.
K
A
There
was
some
questions
and
discussions
earlier
about
the
civilian
response
team
it
right
here.
It
says
12
and
if
everyone's
good
with
12
it's
good.
Otherwise,
if
it
was,
you
cut
it
in
half
it's
your
stage
of
260
thousand
dollars.
If
you
want
to
have
six
specialists
instead
of
12,
just
letting
you
know,
but
right
now,
the
budget
is
for
12.
lion
and
I
are
number
89.
M
And,
and
so
I
think
that
this
is
why
to
council
member
valdo
morose's
question:
it's
important
to
look
at
the
amount
in
column
c,
because
a
lot
of
times
like
12
ftes,
you
would
think
millions
of
dollars.
The
annual
cost
is
over
a
million
dollars,
but
what
because
it's
only
funded
for
part
of
the
year.
M
I
I
A
O
I
think
that
they've
probably
already
been
pretty
conservative
in
this,
because
they
had
a
tough
budget
to
balance
and
sometimes
by
the
time
you
calculate
all
the
training
and
sick
leave
and
and
all
those
sorts
of
things
you
don't
have
a
lot
of
time
on
the
street
anyway,
and
you
need
to
cover
more
than
eight
hours
a
day.
So
I
think
you
probably
might
be
in
a
situation
where,
where
you're
disappointed
at
how
much
you
can
see
happening,
if
you
have
less
than
what
they've
suggested
here.
That.
K
Makes
sense
if
I
could
add
the
operational
audit
by
matrix,
based
on
a
12-month
call
volume
and
the
lower
priority
calls
they
identify
that
probably
don't
need
a
police
officer
officer
to
respond
that
call
volume
was
estimated
to
be
20
full-time
employees
to
fully
cover
over
a
12-month
period.
So
12
is
less
than
what
a
full
program
could
be
sized.
As
thank.
I
You
for
reminding
me
about
that
audit
and
those
recommendations,
and
my
other
question
on
this
is
the
promising
youth
program
for
the
four
ftes,
and
I
think
I
just
need
a
little
clarification
on
that
program.
But
I
think
I
could
probably
just
call
chief
brown
and
get
some
questions
answered
about
it,
but
with
some
data
results
because,
as
we
kind
of
mentioned
with
the
legislative
intent
is
there's
youth
programs
throughout
different
departments
and
what
are
they
tracking
and
what's
the
benefit?
I
And
I
know
every
department
will
say
that
a
program
is
beneficial
and
I
think
of
course,
programs
are
beneficial.
But
in
making
and
having
hard
discussions,
I'm
curious
about
that
program
and
if
we
actually
need
four
ftes,
where
they're
at
right
now,
as
far
as,
if
it's
an
existing
program,
how
many
they
have
there.
If
this
is
an
expansion
into
other
areas
within,
and
I
know
that
they
mentioned
it
at
the
last
briefing.
But
sometimes
when
we
get
down
to
this
part
of
the
nitty
gritty.
M
K
Do
three
of
the
youth
specialists
for
the
promising
youth
program
are
funded
by
a
federal
grant
that
ends
next
month
right?
The
there's
also
the
annual
program
expenses,
which
is
a
smaller
amount
of
funding.
That's
also
included
that
would
be
partial
funding.
There's
some
ongoing
donations
and
grants
that
would
continue
to
fund
the
program
expenses
and
then
there's
a
separate
slide
that
has
some
of
the
the
metrics.
I
can
go
over
those
or
email
it
to
you.
I
Okay,
I'll
look
those
slide,
15.
slide,
15.
N
K
M
Okay,
so
am
I
okay
to
keep
going
okay,
so
the
new
positions
relating
to
the
new
programs
like
we
were
talking,
the
civilian
response
team
sworn
lieutenant
is
an
annual
position
for
the
director
and
then
the
12
ftes
would
be
for
a
partial
year,
the
council
added
back
in
the
street
rating
racing
mitigation.
M
I
I
So
I
know
that
in
in
the
somewhere
in
another
place,
there
was
a
need
for
another
liaison
for
all
of
our
boards.
Today,
that's
in
the
attorney's
office,
and
so
can
somebody
explain
those
two
different.
Those
two
positions
to
me:
cindy
lou.
M
M
Think
that-
and
I
I
probably
refer
to
allison
for
more
information
from
the
briefing,
but
I
think
it
would
be
more
focused
on
the
the
work
of
the
peanut
board,
so
not
just
minutes,
but
follow-up
work,
requests
from
board
members
things
like
that:
okay,.
B
F
No,
I
just
wanted
to
suggest
that
we
asked
kristen
reicher
who's
on
the
call.
I
I
While
we're
pulling
that
pulling
kristen
up
or
she's
getting
on,
I
can't.
I
Can
you
you
were
going
to
mention
you
think
jen
that
public
utilities
might
have
a
liaison.
M
Yes,
so
councilman
romano's
question
caused
me
to
think
that
I
know
of
positions
they
might
not
specifically
be
called
community
council
liaisons,
but
some
departments
do
have
specific
positions
to
interface
with
community
councils
based
on
the
volume
of
work
that
requires
public
engagement.
But
I
don't
know
that
they're
specifically
specifically
called
that-
and
I
see
director
christian
rikers
popped
on.
H
Hi
everyone
thanks
yeah,
so
this
request
is
to
manage
a
lot
of
the
board
interactions
that
we
have.
The
peanut
board
has
added
several
subcommittees
and
and
just
become
a
lot
more
involved
and
we've
had
a
lot
more
public
comment
with
the
peanut
board,
and
so
we've
been
using
other
staff
to
to
help
manage
the
peanut
board.
H
But
this
position
also
would
be
a
liaison
with
our
community
councils,
who
are
also
very
interested
in
our
projects,
the
maintenance
of
our
facilities
and
help
us
to
communicate
with
the
communities,
community
councils
and
their
chairs
we're
just
getting
a
whole
lot
of
inquiries,
and
it
doesn't
feel
like
that's
going
away
at
this
time
and
it's
just
becoming
more
than
our
our
staff
that
we
currently
have
can
handle
we're
using
our
planning
staff
in
general
for
a
lot
of
this
work,
and
we
prefer
them
to
be
working
on
our
projects
and
planning
our
projects.
H
The
position
also
requests
funding
for
an
annual
stipend
to
cover
40
hours
of
service
for
each
of
our
board
members,
and
also
for
community
members
who
are
part
of
focus
groups
to
encourage
them
to
attend
our
focus
groups
and
give
us
feedback
and
input.
E
Hi
christian,
thank
you.
What
doesn't-
and
this
is
for
another
line
item
that
you
have
here.
What
does
an
area
forester
do?
H
Yeah,
so
that
position
is
set
up
for
the
tree
mitigation
and
so
that
person
would
go
out
to
projects
whether
they're,
residential
or
business,
and
make
sure
that
those
projects
are
following
the
tree
protection
guidelines
and
help
those
contractors
follow
those
guidelines.
H
They
would
also
help
set
up
ordinances
that
could
contribute
to
helping
us
enforce
some
of
the
tree
protection
guidelines
so
that
we
can
protect
our
trees
in
the
city
and
along
our
our
streets
in
our
park
strips.
H
In
addition,
they
that
person
would
be
helping
to
locate
new
tree
planting
locations.
We're
spending
a
lot
more
time
trying
to
find
planting
locations
that
are
already
being
watered
and
cared
for,
so
that
we
can
reduce
the
mortality
rate
of
some
of
our
trees.
H
H
M
P
M
That
and
I'll
just
throw
this
out
there
to
anyone
who's
joining
please
pop
in.
If
you
have
answers
that
our
staff
doesn't
have
so
keep
going
new
positions
related
to
new
programming,
the
fisher
mansion
carriage
house
coordinator,
there
is
a
partial
year
funding
for
that
in
the
budget.
Currently.
S
Mr
chair,
I
I
do
have
some
questions
about
this
position.
I
questions
and
concerns
we
we
are
we,
you
know
this.
This
city
put
a
lot
of
effort
in
getting
the
carriage
house
working
and
I
was
told
that
it
was
going
to
be
offices
for
the
park
rangers
and
I
was
told
something
different
later,
but
you
know
I
I
don't
understand
still
what
what
the
purpose
of
this
position
is.
I
am
I'm
very
unclear
about
it.
Yeah.
M
A
M
H
Sorry
time
to
get
button,
yeah
yeah,
you
bet
so
this
position.
This
position
was
discussed
and
and
talked
about
when
we
first
started
planning
for
the
remodeling
of
the
fisher
carriage
house
and
basically
the
fisher
carriage
house.
The
original
intent
was
really
to
be
kind
of
a
a
welcome
center
to
the
jordan
river,
with
opportunities
for
a
paddle
share,
which
we
don't
have
yet
but
to
to
help.
H
H
Since
that
time,
we've
we've
added
this
new
ranger
program
and
we
felt
like
there
was
some
extra
space
there,
and
so
we
are
adding
office
space
for
the
park,
ranger
manager,
as
well
as
the
park,
ranger
supervisor
and
then
it'll
just
be
a
starting
point
for
the
two
rangers
that
will
be
along
the
jordan
river
and
at
parks
along
the
jordan
river.
They
won't
spend
any
time
in
there
it'll
just
more
be
a
place
for
them
to
hang
their
coat
and
then
go
out
and
do
their
job
clock
in
clock
out.
S
This
coordinator
will
be
sitting
there,
helping
with
activation
of
sorts
right
of
this
carriage
house
and
hopefully
the
river,
but
we
don't
have
the
paddle
board
system
or
program
just
yet,
and
I
you
know,
I
think
that
this
is
a
great
idea,
but
I
think
it
is
coming
ahead
of
the
other
parts
of
it,
and
I
you
know
I
struggle
with
the
position,
not
because
I
don't
believe
in
it
again.
I
I
there's
no
thing.
S
I
want
to
see
more
than
this
place
activated
and,
and
this
house
remodel
and
the
community
embracing
it,
but
if
we're
not
providing
any
services
and
maybe
duplicating
with
other
organizations,
are
doing.
I
struggle
with
this.
The
creation
of
this
position
at
the
moment.
H
If
I
could
just
add,
if
we
had
a
paddle
board
program,
we
would
probably
be
asking
for
an
additional
fte,
because
that's
going
to
take
a
full-time
person
to
manage
that
type
of
a
program.
This
would
be
more
education
and
outreach
along
the
river
working
with
school
districts
and
the
public
to
run
programming
education
volunteer
activities.
That
would
be
the
focus
here.
I
So,
may
I
ask
a
follow-up:
sarah,
terry
alejandro:
did
you
have
a
follow-up
I
didn't
mean
to
so
those
educational
programs
and
working
with
the
school
district?
Do
we
already
do
that?
No.
H
Currently,
we
do
not
that
this
would
be
a
new
program.
We
have
some
volunteer
programs
that
happen
along
there,
but
this
would
just
be
like
an
additional
it
would.
It
would
give
a
home
base
for
all
of
those
jordan
river
activities
and
really
kind
of
boost
the
jordan
river
engagement
that
we
would
have
with
the
community.
I
Sure,
and
so
are
the
and
then
you
said
that
there
would
be
office
space
for
the
park,
ranger
manager
and
supervisor
that's
right,
and
so
they
would
be
there
full-time.
Even
though
the
two
park
rangers
on
the
river
would
not
be
there.
Full-Time
the
the
manager
and
the
supervisor
would
be
there
full-time
yep
absolutely
and
is
that
office
space
in
the
carriage
building,
complete
and
ready
like?
Are
we
moving
in
when
we
hire
people?
I
H
That's
right,
it'll,
it's
being
the
the
remodel
is
happening
now
and
we
are
hoping
to
have
a
grand
opening
in
september
and
then
that's
the
time
when
we'll
move
in
the
park,
ranger
manager
and
supervisor-
and
I
believe
this
is
a
nine-month
position.
So
if
this
was
granted,
this
position
wouldn't
wouldn't
be
funded
until
october.
L
I
tend
to
agree
with
the
council
members
thoughts
on
this
and
moving
back
to
the
community
council
liaison.
L
I
I
suppose
I
worry
a
little
bit
about
I
so
on
all
the
commissions
that
I
served
on
and
as
a
council
member,
we
get
to
interface
with
multiple
people
at
multiple
levels
in
each
department,
and
I
worry
that
if
there's
one
person
that
is
dedicated
to
staffing
the
peanut
board,
that
the
peanut
board
is
then
being
and
I'm
just
looking
at
making
a
judgment
based
on
the
annual
salary,
fully
loaded
costs
of
that
person
at
85
000,
making
a
judgment
to
say
that
they're,
probably
not
super
high
in
the
organization
of
public
lands
and
worried
that,
then
the
peanut
boards
access
to
the
true
decision
makers
within
public
lands
is
reduced
because
they
have
to
always
work
through
this
sort
of
lower
level
liaison.
H
H
We
provide
a
update
to
the
board
on
all
of
our
projects
and
events
that
we
have
hope
happening,
and
so
this
person
would
provide
that
we
get
sometimes
zero
many
times
up
to
eight
public
comments,
and
so
this
person
would
be
working
with
our
staff
to
respond
to
all
the
public
comments
and,
and
then
there's
just
all
of
the
little
administrative
stuff.
H
There's
a
light
meal,
that's
served
and
and
dealing
with
that
and
just
making
sure
that
all
the
questions
of
the
board
members
are
answered
and,
and
that
kind
of
thing
it's,
the
peanut
board-
has
truly
gratefully
become
a
lot
more
involved
with
public
lands
than
they
were
in
the
past,
and
we
love
that
it's
it's
just.
We
we
don't
have
the
administrative
capacity
and
we're
pulling
from
other
places
to
manage
that
so
so
that
I
think
that
they
would
still
have
that
input.
H
We
most
of
my
staff
also
attends
several
of
the
meetings
to
answer
questions.
L
I
appreciate
that
I
guess
maybe
what
strikes
me
about
these
two
positions
is
they
are
maybe
this
the
work.
The
title
is
so
specific
that
I'm
wondering:
if
do
you
need
a
whole
person
to
order
lunch
once
a
month,
or
I
know
that's
not
all
that
they're
doing
but
like
maybe
it's
just
it
just
sounds
so
specific
that
to
hire
an
entire
person
for
that
feels.
I
Mr,
can
I
ask
a
follow-up
question
to
that
because
you
made
me
think
about
this.
You
know
there's
other,
like
the
planning
commission,
the
historic
commission
who
who
does
that
work
for
them.
M
My
understanding
is
that
planning
has
significant
staff
resources
dedicated
to
that.
M
Yeah,
both
both
administrative
and
the
professional
planners,
and
I
understand
that
the
staff
that
is
dedicated
to
it,
their
decision
to
have
either
hybrid
or
in-person
meetings
is
based
on
kind
of
staff
being
maxed
out
on
supporting
that
board.
A
H
So
the
new
office
tech
is
taking
the
place
of
the
the
part-time
person,
that's
working
in
urban
forestry,
so
they
will
be
an
urban
forestry
office,
tech
and
right
now
our
urban
forestry
is
using
so
the
part-time
funding,
as
well
as
funding
from
another
source
to
make
the
new
office
tech
a
full-time
position
out
of
their
budget.
A
A
A
I
Q
My
friendly
amendment
would
be,
oh
I'm
sorry,
my
friendly
amendment
would
be.
Can
we
just
straw
poll
adding
one
of
those
positions
and
having
parks
tell
us
which
they
think
would
be
the
most
effective,
because
I
can't
tell
what
would
be
more
important,
but
it
seems
like.
I
I
Q
A
I
N
A
Q
M
The
the
main
program
was
added
in
the
budget
amendment,
but
you
are
right.
The
additional
ones
should
have
been
on
the
sheet.
My
apologies,
that's
okay,
yeah.
M
They're
they're
in
the
budget.
Okay,
so
maybe
that's
a
question
for
the
council.
Are
you
okay
with
the
sorry
sorry
we
missed
that.
M
So
what
I
did
just
so
you
know,
and
just
so
the
director
and
finance
knows-
is
I
removed
funding
for
the
two
positions
that
had
the
specific
titles
and
I
added
funding
at
that
same
salary
level
for
one
fte
to
address
both
of
those
needs.
Okay
and
then
I'm
assuming
that
the
administration
is
welcome
to
come
back
if
there
are
adjustments
based
on
that
funding
level.
O
M
Either
as
part
of
this
budget
or
in
a
budget
amendment,
I'm
just
thinking
it's
kind
of
arbitrary
that
you
know
that
the
admin
can
adjust
both
of
those
things.
So.
I
Yes,
it
was
a.
I
have
to
stop
making
council
member
petro
echler
laugh.
Apparently
without
my
I
keep
hurting
her.
I
just
I
have
don't
have
ideas
yet,
and
maybe
I
need
to
I
need
some
from
here,
but
I
brought
this
up
last
time
and
I
still
very
much
feel
this
way
that
these
positions
look
incredibly
and
it
feels
incredibly
top-heavy
and
we
keep
getting.
I
That
would
get
some
of
the
projects
done,
that,
like
the
workers
that
we
need
on
the
ground
or
something,
and
so
that's
my
biggest
concern-
and
I
don't
have
any
ideas-
and
maybe
I
can
have
on
thursday-
this
department
maybe
think
about
that
or
come
back
and
say
nope
these.
All
these
managers
are
incredibly
important
and
we
can't
like
this
is.
I
It's
okay!
You
know
this
is
actually
what's
going
to
make
these
projects
go
faster
and
I
know
that
we
sort
of
addressed
that
when
they
did
their
briefing
but
again
when
when
we
see
it
in
the
sheet
like
this,
it
kind
of
sparks
my
thoughts
about
that
and
and
if
I
need
to
ben.
If
you
need
to
tell
me
to
just
look
at
the
slides
again,
I'm
happy
to
do
that
too.
Q
M
Call-
and
so
maybe
he
can
pop
in
my
understanding,
is
when
we
were
first
going
through.
Some
of
these
positions
is
that
the
title
of
manager
is
not
necessarily
does
not
necessarily
mean
that
they
manage
people,
but
that
they
manage
projects,
and
so
it's
possible
that
the
title
of
manager
is,
you
know,
not
misleading,
but
could
cause
you
to
think
it's
an
admin
type
when
it's
really
a
person
who
is
doing
the
things
that
said
it's
different
than
like
the
deputy
director,
which
is
obviously
a
top
part
of
the
organization.
I
That
distinction
is
very
helpful.
I
okay,
but
the
salary.
N
M
N
M
Q
M
Q
The
question
last
time
like
how
does
a
deputy
director
translate
into
more
people
out
there
doing
more
projects
and
and
jorge
answered
that
I
think
that's
why
it's
not
in
the
slides,
but
he
explained
that
a
lot
of
that
is
meeting
with
all
of
the
people
who
are
doing
the
projects
and
making
sure
the
projects
are
going
forward
and
that,
if
he's
the
first,
the
only
person
available
to
do
that.
Q
Then
that
takes
up
his
time
and
he
has
to
it,
takes
up
their
time
because
they
have
to
get
on
his
schedule.
He
can
only
meet
with
a
couple
of
them
a
week,
so
that's
stalling
projects.
Q
So,
but
I
I
mean
that's
a
good
point
and
that's
that's
why
we
brought
it
up
at
the
first
time,
but.
I
A
Okay,
did
you
have
anything
more
to
add
to
what
councilman
just
said.
T
You
know
I
thank
you.
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
clarify
this
this,
these
questions
for
you
all
in
the
council.
I'm
gonna
try
to
be
brief,
but
I
I
heard
different
different
questions
coming
up.
I
think
jen
clarified
the
one
about
the
second
deputy.
Yes,
we
currently
have
one
vacant
position
as
a
deputy,
we
are
in
the
middle
of
the
recruiting
process
for
for
the
deputy
director
of
operations,
the
the
second
position
that
is
going
to
be
over
our
capital
investment
divisions,
which
is
facilities
and
engineering.
T
That
position
doesn't
currently
exist
right,
so
we
we
are
requesting
that
position
to
be
created.
Now
to
the
question
of
how
does
that
translate
into
you
into
accomplishing
more
more
effective
project?
Delivery
right
so
here
is
here
is
a
a
point
that
I
would
like
to
make
when
we
have
project
managers
that
that
manage
those
projects,
not
necessarily
people
as
just
mentioned,
and
and
we
we
we
need
to
be
strategic
as
to
what
the
plan
is.
T
How
are
we,
how
are
we
going
to
prioritize
this
investments
that
the
city
and
the
council
have
decided
to
put
towards
infrastructure
towards
new
improvements
in
our
buildings?
That
is
part
of
what
what
the
deputy
director
kind
of
coordinates
with
the
division.
Directors
right.
The
division
directors
will
be
focused
on
their
operations
and
delivering
those
projects.
But
the
strategic
planning
is
what
comes
with
with
that
higher
level
position
and
the
accountability
to
to
stick
to
these
plans
and
not
make
decisions
on
the
go
is
important
as
well.
T
So
there
is
there
is
that
on
the
position
of
of
the
deputy
director,
but
I
think
there
was
another
question
just.
A
A
question
about
the
you
have
two
project
managers,
but
I
think
we
got
those
answers
that
they're
they're
managing
projects-
they're
not
managing
more
so
individually,
so
they're
actually
they're
the
ones
who
are
doing
a
lot
of
the
work
and
that's
why
we
need
those
additional
positions
vice
just
someone
leading
other
people,
because
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
actually
getting
projects
completed.
T
Benefits
of
adding
a
senior
level
project
manager
is
the
ability
to
coordinate
with
consultants.
You
have
your
your
project
managers
that
are
very,
very
good
at
managing
their
own
projects,
but
when
it
comes
to
amplifying
projects
that
are
tied
to
a
time
limit,
we
need
to
spend
the
money
within
three
years
the
ideal
way.
What
we
would
like
to
implement
is
bringing
those
consultants
and
that
senior
project
manager
is
just
managing
those
multiple
consultants
with
their
project
management.
T
So
it's
kind
of
like
you
are
a
new
tier
of
of
of
project
managers
that
are
external
consultants.
We
we
allow
them
to
here.
Is
your
project
completed?
Thank
you
very
much
and
we
are
not
tied
with
the
the
fte,
because
this
is
this
is
a
temporary
investment
that
we
are
doing
right.
It's
not
an
ongoing,
so
that
is
that
is
part
of
the
strategy.
T
Again,
we
we
are
looking
at
a
a
huge
influx
of
capital
investments
coming
our
way-
and
this
is
this
is
the
way
we
are
preparing
to
do
that
and
now
I
would
like
to
address
the
one
of
one
of
the
the
the
the
reasons
why
you
all
are
getting
news
of
projects
not
being
completed.
There
is
a
a
combination
of
of
of
reasons
why
one
of
them
is.
Is
we
describe
it
in
in
the
following
way?
T
If
you,
if
you
have
a
limited
budget
for
a
project-
and
you
put
it
out
to
bid
the
bid
comes
back
too
high,
we
need
to
go
back
and
redo
the
whole
bidding
process
right.
So
every
time
we
get
a
bid
and
and
it's
hard
to
predict
exactly
how
how
high
the
bid
is
going
to
to
come
rather
than
then
coming
back
for
budget
amendments
and
waiting
for
cip
cycles,
we
try
to
to
value
engineers
some
of
these
projects,
but
that
takes
time,
and
then
there
are.
T
There
are
some
ideal
seasons
for
for
bidding.
So
it's
not
that
we
can.
We
can
put
it
out
every
you
know.
Every
month
we
put
out
one.
So
it
is
the
timing,
it
is
the
high
cost
that
that
makes
us
re-look
at
the
project
and
and
kind
of
redesign
it.
So
so
we
adjust
to
the
budget
and
number
three
in
that
level
of
priority
would
be
would
be
the
capacity.
L
L
I
don't
think
I'll
get
my
questions
answered
before
we
need
to
vote
on
this,
but
I
brought
up
the
question
I
think
last
week
about
okay,
how
much
money
is
going
to
external
consultants,
and
so
when,
when
director
chamoto
says
managing
consultants
is
that
managing
do
you
have
like
need
this,
many
more
internal
people
to
manage
external
people
to
design
things
that
then
will
go
through
12,
more
people
before
someone's
actually
on
the
ground,
with
the
track
code,
digging
up
the
road
and
fixing
it
or
is
this
when
you
say
consultants?
L
Is
that,
like
the
actual
construction
company,
that's
going
to
build
that?
And
then
that
brings
up
a
second
question
of
okay.
We
have
these
streets
projects
and
we're
all
focused
on
trying
to
do
complete
streets
and
all
these
things,
but
how
many
of
those
streets
are
actually
built
by
like
internal
city,
people
with
internal
city,
equipment
versus
external
contractors.
L
So
these
are
maybe
just
a
big
umbrella
of
questions
that
right.
I'm
admitting.
I
don't
understand
how
your
department
works.
That
well,
and
I
need
to
understand
that
a
little
bit
better
for
next
year,
but
they
they.
The
reason
why
I
like
councilmember
fowler's
question
is
because
they
feel,
like
I
mean
yes,
they're
managing
projects,
but
they're
still
pretty
high
levels
within
the
organization
of
the
city.
So
are
we
is
that
the
lowest
level
within
like
the
department
that
builds
roads,
because
really
everything
below
that
is
externally
contracted
or
don't?
A
A
But
jorge
just
won't
say
no
cindy
go
ahead.
O
I
mean
take
a
stab
at
it.
It's
been
a
long
time,
but
the
council
did
do
an
audit
of
engineering
and
one
of
the
concepts
that
stuck
with
me
is
that
they
said
you
can't
staff,
of
course,
at
your
peak
of
what
you
need.
You
have
to
staff
kind
of
in
the
middle,
so
there
are
times
when,
when
you
have
more
projects
and
times
when
you
have
fewer
projects,
but
you
you
staff
it
at
a
level
where
you
can
hire
plenty
of
consultants
when
it
is
necessary
to
to
handle
more
projects.
O
So
right
now
the
influx
of
projects
that
we
have
with
the
with
the
two
bonds,
plus
the
funding
from
the
county
transit
tax
and
the
funding
our
future.
Those
are
all
really
significant
increases,
so
we're
at
that
point
where
we
do
need
to
be
outsourcing
a
lot
as
well
as
building
our
base.
We
haven't
had
an
adequate
base.
I
think
for
quite
some
time
in
terms
of
the
number
of
planners
and
that's
why
it's
taking
taking
like
or
not
planners
engineers,
taking
like
three
years
to
get
through
it.
O
So,
and
I
think
that
the
people
with
the
shovels
are
are.
O
Doing
that
work
where
it's,
the
engineering
is
what
we're
dealing
with
here,
but
I
could
stand
correct.
T
All
right,
councilman,
romano,
let
me
please
take
my
offer
of
of
giving
giving
a
a
good
wide
overview
of
what
the
department
of
public
services
is
is
currently
doing.
When
we
talk
about
engineering,
they
do
construction
management,
they
don't
do
the
construction
themselves
right.
T
When
we
talk
about
the
the
division
of
of
streets,
they
do
maintenance
of
the
roads,
so
the
construction,
the
reconstruction
of
of
roads,
it
it
is
contracted
out.
It
is
an
operation
of
of
large
scale
that
that
the
city
is
is
doesn't
have
the
capacity
to
to
get
the
equipment
to
get
the
personnel
everything
to
to
to
simultaneously
have
multiple
locations.
T
It
is.
It
is
just
big,
so
the
city
doesn't
doesn't
do
the
construction
themselves
right,
so
it
is.
It
is
managing
those
those
construction
companies.
Those
consultants,
as
I
mentioned
before
in
the
in
the
in
the
pi,
the
public
information
to
to
keep
people
informed
on
these
projects
right.
T
So
there
is,
there
is
coordination
not
only
with
the
consultants,
but
also
with
with
the
other
divisions
that
touch
on
this
from
from
transportation,
bringing
the
design
into
into
engineering
to
be
built
and
then
passing
it
over
to
to
the
appropriate
division
for
maintenance,
which
is
the
the
streets
division.
So
people
with
troubles
to
build
roads,
we
don't
have
any.
T
We
have
people
with
with
equipment
for
maintenance,
and
we
we
have
that
that
division
very,
very
much
to
to
maximum
capacity
right
with
with
the
challenges
of
staffing.
There
might
be
a
few,
a
few
positions
vacant,
but
but
right
now
we
have
that
that
division
of
the
capacity
right
now.
A
E
So,
just
for
more
even
more
clarification,
because
obviously
I
think
in
our
world
consultants
mean
like
you're,
paying
a
company
to
tell
us
something.
You.
E
Yeah,
maybe
like
a
contractors
and
maybe
not
consultants,
I
think
that's.
Why
there's
a
confusion
but,
for
example,
a
senior's
facility
project
manager?
What
does
that
person?
Do
they
like?
What's
their
job.
T
Okay,
so
the
in
facilities,
the
senior
project
manager,
will
be
the
person
that,
as
I
as
I
have
mentioned
before,
the
the
facilities
division
is
focused
on
maintenance
right.
But
for
the
last
three
years
and
thanks
to
to
council,
we
have
received
a
consistent
amount
of
capital
asset
replacement
funds
to
to
replace
equipment
to
replace
assets
within
buildings
that
need
to
be
not
maintained
anymore
because
they
have
reached
their
their
useful
life
and
we
are
past
their
useful
life.
The
concept
of
the
fair
maintenance.
T
We
can't
replace
it
because
we
didn't
have
the
money
before,
but
now
we
can,
because
we
have
consistent
funding
for
the
last
three
years
so
because
facilities
is
focused
on
maintenance.
Now
we're
getting
an
influx
of
money
to
replace.
We
need
someone
to
manage
those
projects
to
say
get
the
contractor.
That
is
going
to
replace
the
the
the
boiler
in
a
room
or
a
series
of
overhang
overhead
doors
in
in.
T
T
The
reality
is
that,
with
that
influx
of
money,
we
are
diverting
the
attention
from
from
maintenance
now
into
into
this
capital
asset
replacement,
so
the
senior
project
manager
will
be
able
to
handle
those
those
replacement
projects-
okay
and
we're
talking
about
you
know
in
the
last
couple
of
years
over
a
million
dollars
in
in
funding
from
cip
to
replace
precisely
those
those
assets.
So
I
hope
that
answers
the
question.
E
A
You
I
I
just
want
to
take
a
quick,
quick.
We
need
to
move
on
here.
Is
there
a
question
one
more
question,
or
do
we
want
to
take
a
straw
poll
on
this
on
these
positions?
Ali
councilman.
S
S
Director,
I
I
just
heard
that
the
council
funded
monies
to
replace
capital
project
capital.
You
know
things
in
the
city
that
needed
to
be
replaced
for
the
last
few
years
and
you
guys
seem
to
have
been
able
to
handle
it.
Maybe
not
ideally,
but
you
know
so.
The
question
comes
comes
now
after
that.
The
answer
is,
why
do
we
really
need
it?
If
we
were
able
to
handle
it
and
the
the
funding
has
been
steady
and
the
funding
is
going
to
be
steady?
S
Could
we
push
that
one
a
little
more
and
hey
again,
I'm
not
advocating
for
it,
but
it's.
The
question
came
from
your
answer.
T
Right
and
if
I
may
just
just
make
a
quick
remark
to
that
is,
is
yes,
as
long
as
we
are
comfortable
with
asking
people
to
do
two
jobs
for
for
longer
than
than
needed,
the
department
has
been
very
conservative
in
asking
for
for
new
positions
for
these
particular
cases.
Right
when
we,
when
we
talk
about
cip
applications,
we
we
leave
that
to
to
the
decisions
maker
makers,
to
to
fund
it
or
or
or
not,
make
a
recommendation
for
the
funding
right.
T
So
now
that
we
are
seeing
a
pattern
of
of
support
for
these
capital
asset
replacements,
we
we
believe
that
it
is.
It
is
time
to
to
add
that
capacity
to
the
division,
so
we
didn't
do
it
at
the
beginning,
because
it
is,
it
is
a
new
influx
of
money
and
we
are
you're
seeing
now
as
a
as
a
trend
as
a
positive
trend.
P
I
think
you
covered
it
jorge
I
I
was
just
gonna
say
that
sometimes
you
know
we
want
to
give
that
new
funding
source
a
minute
to
see
if
it's
gonna
stay
steady.
Fortunately,
the
council
has
been
supportive
over
the
past
three
years
prior
to
the
past
three
years.
It
was.
P
It
was
a
really
kind
of
non-existent
funding
for
capital
asset
replacement
when
things
have
reached
the
end
of
its
useful
life,
and
so
we
embarked
on
a
pretty
intense
campaign
by
getting
data
together
to
show
you
know
the
the
problem
that
we're
facing
in
all
of
our
existing
facilities
and
this
funding
is
the
result
of
the
council
really
understanding
that
need,
and
now
that
we
know
that
that
that
funding
seems
to
be
quite
steady,
and
we
know
that
we
need
to
make
these
investments
in
in
our
facilities.
P
We
we
do
need
to
add
capacity
if
we're
going
to
continue
to
capitalize
on
the
funding
source.
So
I
think
the
director
you
know
explained
that
very
well,
but
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
it
was
understood
that
this
hasn't
always
been
the
case
and
that
the
past
three
years
that
we
really
have
been
asking
our
facilities
division
to
do
double
duty
and
it's
it's
time
to
add
capacity.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Is
there
any
more
questions
or
concerns
it?
Do
we
need
a
straw
poll
on
these?
These
items
are
already
on
the
budget.
They
weren't
a
question
at
that
point.
Straw
polls
that
we.
Q
A
Poll
that
said
all
in
favor,
okay,
thank
you.
Six
of
us
and
councilman
fowler
is
absent
at
this
moment.
Great.
M
Oh,
the
other
funds
positions
we
wanted
to
list
these
because,
although
ims
is,
although
ims
is
an
internal
service
fund,
it
is
funded
through
transfers
from
both
the
general
fund
and
enterprise
funds.
So,
let's
say,
for
example,
you
took
out
one
of
the
positions.
S
M
M
S
Sorry
for
the
delay,
there
is
a
little
delay
between
the
question
and
the
answer.
I
I
the
the
civic
engagement
specialist
on
the
ims.
I
struggle
with
opposition.
Still
I
I
understood
the
explanation
from
ims
last
last
week,
but
you
know
they
mentioned
to
us
that
they
are
getting
a
lot
of
requests
for
engagement
and
design
from
that
department
to
help
the
organization
as
a
whole,
the
whole
city,
the
older
departments,
when
they
need
they
need
that.
S
But
but
yet
again
we
get
an
answer
from
the
administration
about
the
educational
campaigns
on
on
on
on
the
trees,
saying
we
don't
know
if
we
can
handle
the
design
and
the
communication
with
the
outreach
with
the
community,
so
it
seems
like
we
are
there.
Everything
seems
to
be
very
disconnected
and
if
we
are
going
to
fund
these
positions
that
all
the
departments
understand
that
this
exists
and
that
they
can
rely
on
it.
You
know
we
got
that
answer
in
the
email
yesterday.
I
think
it
was
yesterday.
S
I
don't
know
anymore,
but
that
they
don't
know
if
they
can,
if
public
lands
can
handle
the
educational
campaign,
and-
and
you
know,
I
know
that
I'm
summarizing
boiling
down
that
answer
very
much
so,
but
you
know
everything
came
to
mind
about
this
position
that
ims
said
that
they
could
help
all
departments
with
sometimes
the
signs
and
on
their
campaigns.
So
I
struggle
with
this.
Not
because
we
don't.
I
don't
think
we
need
it,
but
because
it
feels
like
still.
S
We
have
a
very
much
of
a
disconnect
between
all
the
departments
and
about
like
outreach,
and
this
is
a
very
important
position.
As
you
see
us
in
the
requested
money.
P
Thank
you
very
much,
and-
and
I
appreciate
the
question
very
much
and
and
I
think
that
your
question
actually
highlights
the
need
for
the
position
itself,
and
let
me
tell
you
why
so
we
have
the
civic
engagement
group
has
only
been
in
existence
for
a
few
years.
The
council
funded
it
with
the
intention
they
they
parked
it
in
community
and
neighborhoods
that
since
been
moved
into
ims.
P
What
we're
attempting
to
do
here
is,
instead
of
siloing
off
all
of
the
little
individual
departments
to
have
their
own
engagement
design.
All
of
those
things
trying
to
centralize
those
positions
in
one
group
that
every
department
can
rely
on.
It
hasn't
been
the
case
in
the
past.
We
in
fact-
and
I
think
aaron
bentley
described
this
during
his
budget
presentation.
P
We
actually
had
multiple
requests
from
multiple
departments
to
add
this
type
of
function
inside
of
their
individual
departments
and
in
light
of
the
fact
that
we
can't
address
everything
in
every
budget
and
there
will
never
be
enough
money
to
address
all
of
the
need
right.
As
you
know,
what
we're
attempting
to
do
here
is
to
address
multiple
departments
needs
with
this
type
of
function
in
one
centralized
location
inside
of
our
civic
engagement
team.
I
hope
that's
helpful.
M
M
So
when
you
consolidated
those
two
positions
in
public
lands
that
brought
you
back
in
balance
a
little
bit
closer,
so
we
can.
If
the
chair
is
okay,
we
can
go
back
to
the
unresolved
issues.
Staff
report,
I
think,
rather
than
try
to
get
exactly
balanced
to
the
dollar.
Sorry.
A
M
The
stuff
that's
yellow
in
non-departmental,
you've,
strap-holed
and
acted
on.
Okay,
the
stuff
that's
in
non-departmental
that
is
not
sort
of
specifically
listed
is
so,
for
example,
the
cip,
reducing
cip.
It
seemed
like
there
was
not
interest
in
pursuing
that
in
the
last
discussion,
so
we
did
not
add
that
and
we
have
addressed
some
others
in
ims
or
sorry.
In
legislative
intents,
okay,
great.
Q
M
If
you're,
okay,
we
can
go
back
to
the
staff
report
and
go,
and
I
I
guess
I
would
ask
the
chair's
preference.
Do
you
want
to
evaluate
the
next
item,
which
is
reevaluating
projects
in
the
sales
tax
and
geo
bonds,
discussion
or
the
next
item
would
be
funding
source
option?
There's
one
minor
funding
source
that
we
haven't
talked
about.
Specifically,
it's
been
in
the
staff
reports
last
few
times,
but
we
haven't
strap,
hold
it
or
talked
about
it
specifically.
A
M
Up
until
now
we're
in
a
position
of
four
thousand
dollars
in
in
the
red.
Essentially,
there
is
one
funding
source
item
that
it
has
been
in
the
staff
report,
but
we
haven't:
let's
see
council
member
poi.
Are
you
with
us
just
wanting
to
make
sure
you
realize
we
are
back
from
break
okay?
Thank
you
councilmember.
M
So
the
mayor's
recommended
budget
includes
something
that
the
council
established
by
ordinance
quite
a
few
years
ago,
which
is
to
adjust
the
city
fees,
all
fees,
that
the
city
charges
by
the
consumer
price
index,
there's
nothing
in
the
ordinance
that
specifies
exactly
when
that
consumer
price
index
needs
to
be
calculated
just
for
sake
of
budget
development.
The
finance
department
calculated
the
cip
or
pulled
the
cpi
in
october,
when
it
was
4.6
percent.
M
If
the
count,
if
the
council
wanted
to
set
fees
as
of
the
cpi
as
of
april,
that
cpi
would
be
6.2
percent,
which
would
result
in
an
additional
414
000
in
revenue
from
city
fees.
Obviously
because
it's
fees
charged
to
people
we
just
we
didn't
want
to
assume
that
the
council
was
okay
with
that.
We
just
wanted
to
discuss
it,
which
would
obviously
affect
your
balancing.
M
A
M
L
Can
we
ask,
could
I
also
ask
a
question:
what
what
have
we
done
in
the
past?
Have
we
adjusted
it
by
the
october
or
the
april,
or
I.
A
Yeah
and
that's
my
reason
for
being
thinking,
this
is
a
right.
The
correct
way
to
go
is
because
our
fees
are
always
been
so
low
and
that
we're
actually
not
recouping
the
costs
to
provide
the
service,
we're
losing
money
on
this
stuff,
and
it
should
be
more
of
a
cost
neutral
and
with
the
cost
of
inflation
and
the
cost
of
goods
and
salt
and
services
and
personnel.
A
We
should
adjust
accordingly
because
of
the
structure.
S
I
I
I
do
share
the
the
feeling,
but
I
also
think
that
there
is
an
equity
situation
there
right
and
I
you
know,
people
that
maybe
cannot
afford
you
know
to
to
rent
a
party
place
event
center.
Will
you
know
maybe
rent
a
park
pavilion
for
you
know
whatever
the
fee.
It
is
so
I
I
wonder
if
there
is
a
way
of
what
we
can
increase,
and
this
is
a
question
maybe
for
staff,
can
we
increase
some
of
the
fees
and
not
some
of
the
other
fees?
S
For
example,
could
we
keep
the
park
fees
as
they
are
and
maybe
catch
the
other
ones
up
or
you
know
which
are
the
different
categories
of
fees?
So
we
can
make
the
decision
if
that's
something
that
we
can
do.
M
M
You
know
because,
there's
probably
there
are,
I
think,
like
25
pages
in
the
consolidated
fee
schedule
of
fees
that
the
city
charges,
and
so
we
would
probably
need
more
time
than
we
have
between
now
and
thursday,
to
evaluate
that.
So
maybe
I
don't
know
cindy.
A
Can
I
also
just
ask
the
question
that
you
know
if
you're,
if
you're
going
from
a
a
100
fee
so
and
you
go
4.6,
it's
four
dollars:
it's
six
dollars
right!
So
if
you're
renting
a
pavilion
at
ten
dollars,
it's
you
know
40
cents
or
60
cents.
So
I
think.
M
A
A
But
it
is
significant
at
that
point.
M
No,
it
would
be
adjusting
it,
so
4.6
is
what's
in
the
mayor's
budget,
that's
as
of
cpi,
as
of
october,
the
suggestion
would
be
to
base
it
on
cpi,
as
of
april,
which
is
six
point
two
percent,
so
it's
increasing
it
from
a
four
percent
increase.
Four
point:
six
percent
increase
to
a
six
point:
two
percent
increase.
I
N
I'm
looking
at
the
pavilion
reservation
fees
or
90
for
a
half
day
or
130
for
a
full
day,
so
we're
talking
like
six,
seven
dollar
increases
there
and
then
the
business
licenses
are
22
to
52.,
and
I
those
to
me
seem
like
the
two
that
I'm
aware
of
where
equity
concerns
would
come
most
into
play.
Am
I
missing
some
other
fees.
N
M
Yes,
let
me
pull
up
the
the
consolidated
fee.
Schedule
is
online.
It
should
actually
be
in
your
packets
this
week
attached
to
the
public
hearing.
So
if
you
want
to
pull
it
up,.
M
Totally
wrong
so
filming
on
city
land,
meeting
room,
rentals.
S
And
that
is
the
place
that
I'm
okay,
increasing
the
fees,
the
building
permits
and
the
zoning,
and
I
struggle
a
little
bit
again
with
the
the
parks
and
the
rental
facilities
for
the
community,
to
gather
and
to
and
to
use
the
you
know,
their
public
spaces.
I
And
that's
I'm
with
alejandra
on
this,
and
I
bring
up
some
of
the
events
because,
as
many
people
know-
and
yes,
perhaps
we're
looking
at
like.
Oh,
this
is
just
six
dollars
or
this
is
just
that.
But
I
mean
again
all
of
these
things
add
up
for
people
wanting
to
live,
work
and
play
in
salt
lake
city,
and
you
know
for
many
people.
You
know
I've.
I
In
fact,
the
the
I
know
of
anyway,
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
those
events
and
and
people
are
looking
elsewhere,
where
it
seems
more
friendly
and
just
increasing
the
fees.
Even
if
it's
six
dollars
it's
just.
Perhaps
it's
perception
and
I
recognize
that
this
increases
revenue.
But
for
me
it
is
a
lot
about
we're
already
raising
rates
for
people
we're
raising.
I
go
property
taxes,
we're
raising
fees.
I
A
I
L
I
I
I
think,
I'm
seeing
both
sides
of
this,
and
I
think
the
fundamental
difference
is
that
we're
these
are
fees
that
are
charged
across
the
board
to
all
different
types
of
things
and
if
you're,
focusing
on
the
fees
that
are
charged
to
like
some
family
that
wants
to
have
a
family
reunion
or
someone
that
wants
to
do
a
do
an
event
in
our
city,
then
you
don't
really
want
to
increase
those,
but
if
you're
looking
at
the
fees.
That,
for
instance,
are
are
fees.
L
For
I
don't
know
some
even
like
zoning
applications
right
like
you
go
in,
and
I
don't
want
to
make
it
more
expensive
to
build
in
the
city
either.
But
that's
a
that's
a
lot
of
staff
time
and
our
time
that
is
going
into
to
processing
these
applications
and
right
now
we're
not
even
close
to
capturing
that
in
our
fees.
So
that
is
the
everyday
homeowner
that
is
paying
subsidizing
for
development,
that's
happening
in
the
city
or
whatever
the
other.
L
L
So
I
know
it's
40
pages,
but
we
haven't
done
that
in
how
many
years-
and
it's
really
probably
time
that
we
look
at
that
fee
schedule
and
just
like
we're
talking
about
zero
fares
on
uta
and
that's
the
thing
that
we
don't
actually
fully
control,
but
we're
interested
in
there's
probably
a
lot
of
those
fees
that
we
can
just
wipe
out
and
say.
Look
just
like
it's
free
to
rent
a
book
at
our
library.
L
L
M
L
Sure
we're
increasing
the
ones
where
it's
like.
Look
these
I
own
a
business
in
the
city.
I
pay
a
very
nominal
business
licensing
fee.
I
would
not
be
mad
if
that
was
increased,
because
I'm
making
money
off
of
my
business,
and
so
it's
not
a
problem
for
me
to
have
to
pay
a
little
bit
more
in
that
business,
licensing
fee
or
whatever
the
case
may
be.
So
there's
a
lot
of
fees
where
it's
like
we're.
L
L
I
M
There
there's
been
a
lot
and
there's
been
some
cost
recovery
analysis
separately,
but
I
don't
think
that
we've
brought
the
consolidated
fee
schedule
back
for
council
like
the
council
to
look
at
the
whole
thing
to
say:
do
we
even
want
to
charge
these
fees?
It's
it's
mostly
been
focused
on
things
like.
We
know
we're
not
charging
enough
for
boarded
buildings,
but
what
is
the
right
fee
for
that?
And
so
it's
more
like
specific
angles
of
the
consolidated
fee
schedule
and-
and
this
might
give
finance
time-
I
was
just
messaging
with
mary
beth.
M
They
would
have
to
do
it
manually
if
we
separated
out
the
increases
which
might
not
you
know
they
can
do
it
if,
if
that's
what
the
council
wants,
but
that
would
this
would
give
them
a
chance
to
actually
figure
out
exactly
how
much
revenue
is
associated
with
each
fee,
which
I
think
also
would
help
the
council
figure
out.
Is
it
worth
charging
this
fee
if
it
only
generates
a
thousand
dollars
a
year,
and
that
kind
of
thing
and.
A
And
back
to
the
boarding
house,
that
is
that
one
of
our
intense
legislative
intents
because,
yes,
we
talked
about
the
ephesians
for
the
fire
department
talked
about
that
portion
of
it
was
that
one
legislative
it.
M
A
M
A
B
Thanks
for
asking
gosh,
I
was
actually
thinking.
Lisa
was
probably
going
to
jump
in
because
she's
much
more
involved
in
the
consolidated
fee
schedule.
Conversations
and
the
actual
you
know,
cost
recovery
that
that
six
dollars
may
actually
be
quite
a
bargain
and
your
question
or
your
comment
was
making
me
think
of
a
comment
you
made
earlier
on
a
different
subject
about:
like
is
the
six
dollars
really
the
limiting
factor
for
access
for
someone
to
rent
a
pavilion?
Or
is
it
actually?
B
You
know
the
digital
platform
that
we
ask
people
to
go
through
or
coming
into
city
hall.
That's
the
issue,
because
our
fees
are
pretty
nominal
on
almost
everything
that
we
do
and
I'm
not
really
sure
that
that
solves
for
the
access
part,
but
I'm
just
I'm
just
questioning
and
appreciating
you're
bringing
that
up,
but
lisa's
really.
A
P
I
you
know,
I
don't
have
much
to
add
to
that.
I
think
the
mayor
did
a
fine
job.
I
think
that
the
the
consolidated
fee
schedule
itself
is
extraordinarily
complicated
and
every
single
line
item
in
the
fee
schedule
has
to
be
cost
justified.
So
if
we
go
back
and
we
look
at
every
single
fee
that
we
charge
in
the
city,
we
would
have
to
task
the
finance
group
with
doing
a
time
and
motion
study
for
every
single
item
that
we
charge
for,
and
I
think
the
mayor
you
know
expressed
it
correctly.
P
We
we
do
charge
less
than
it
costs
the
city
to
basically
administer
all
of
the
functions
that
we
charge
for.
I
do
have
maybe
to
council
member
fowler's
earlier
point
on
special
events.
P
I
do
have
a
very
large
body
of
work
that
I
would
love
to
resurrect
and
discuss
with
the
council
at
a
certain
point
about
sort
of
the
policy
direction
that
we
want
to
take
the
fees
associated
with
special
events,
and
I
do
think
that,
as
has
been
expressed
throughout
the
debate
that
I've
been
intently
listening
to
here
on
fees,
I
think
that
the
it's
it's
very
obvious
right
that
not
all
fees
are
created
equal
and
I
think
that
there
are
there
are.
P
There
is
always
room
for
debate
about
which
fees
should
increase
and
which
fees
should
not
increase.
I
think
this
this
discussion
should
stay
focused
on.
Does
the
city
want
to
stay?
Does
the
city
want
to
keep
pace
with
the
inflation
that
we
find
ourselves
in?
So
it
costs
us
the
same
amount
that
it
costs
everybody
else
when
those
cpi
indexes
go
up,
and
so
this
is
this
is
about.
P
But
but
again,
like
I
said
and-
and
I
think
somebody
said
it's-
it's
a
lot
of
pages-
there's
a
lot
of
fees
that
the
city
charges
or
has
the
ability
to
charge
you
all
as
the
governing
body
over
the
purse
strings
of
the
city
have
the
ability
to
approve
each
and
every
one
of
those
and
but
keep
in
mind.
L
A
L
G
L
Okay
and
the
second
straw
poll
is
to
come
back
at
a
later
date
to
add
a
legislative
intent
that
we
come
back
at
a
later
date
and
review
the
cpi
index
and
identify
which
ones
need
to
be
increased
and
which
ones
need
to
be
reduced
or
removed.
I.
L
A
M
Right
right,
we'll
probably
see
a
way
to
do
that.
I
think
the
first.
I
think
the
first
step
is
having
finance
come
back
with
the
information,
just
the
information
about
what
is
what
does
each
fee
bring
in
and
then
and
then
to
the
extent
you
want
to
increase
any
of
the
fees.
That's
when
it
starts
the
conversation
that
lisa
was
talking
about
about
cost
justification,
because
if
you
want
to
eliminate
fees,
then
you
don't
need
any
of
that
conversation.
M
M
You
could
put
it
to
cip,
I'm
I'm
hesitant
to
say
that
we
should
balance
right
to
zero
today,
because
we're
going
to
get
information
from
the
state.
Hopefully,
tomorrow,
everyone
please
cross
your
fingers
about
new
growth,
and
that
will
also
that
will
again
change
this
list,
this
balancing
list,
and
so
that's.
Why
we'll
have
the
conversation
on
thursday
to
check
in
and
share
with
you
that
new
information
and
rebalance
everything
if
we
need
to
really
briefly
I'll?
M
Just
because
we're
going
to
go
to
board
appointments
in
two
minutes,
I
will
call
your
attention
to
the
legislative
intent
section
in
the
staff
report,
but
don't
spend
much
time
reading
it
from
this
staff
report.
There's
been
a
couple
items
that
have
been
added
just
today,
so
we'll
send
out
a
new
version
either
tonight
or
tomorrow
morning,
and
it
will
be
in
your
packets
for
thursday's
meeting
and
we'll
focus
on
it
more
more
formally
at
thursday's
meeting
to
make
sure
we
got
the
language
and
intense
correct.
M
I
I
quickly
propose
yet
another
legislative
intent
that
just
based
on
some
of
the
discussion
today-
and
I
don't
know
if
I
could
propose
it
now,
and
then
we
could
just
put
it
in
the
staff
report
for
a
straw
poll
later,
so
that
we
can
get
moving
on
the
the
board.
Appointments
is
that,
okay
with
everyone?
I
Okay,
getting
a
yes
from
chairperson,
it
is
to
look
at
the
particularly,
but
I
think
this
could
be
an
md
department,
look
at
the
grants
and
a
new
policy
and
or
system
for
looking
at
grants
and
grant
programming,
because
it's
consistent
that
we
hire
people
and
or
create
programs
that
hire
people
on
grants
that
then
run
out
and
fall
to
the
general
fund's
responsibility.
I
A
Thank
you
for
that.
So
with
that
we're
going
to
move
on
to
our
board
appointments.
A
So
we
have
item
number
seven
board:
appointment:
racial
equity
and
policing,
commission,
lucia
satini.
A
A
There
she
is
good
afternoon
good
evening,
councilmember
dugan
here,
and
you
have
six
council
members
and
you
have
council
member
pui
on
the
on
online
also
welcome.
This
is
the
advice,
consent
and
we're
just
tell
us
a
little
bit
about
your
reasoning
for
wanting
to
join
the
racial
equity
and
policing
commission.
F
No
longer
I
I
am
on
the
advisory
and
I've
done
work
with
the
community
health
work
where
I
oversee
the
community
health
work
with
the
utah
pacific.
Islander
health
coalition
been
involved
with
even
my
kids
school
at
east
high
school,
with
the
scc
sitting
on
their
board,
so
different
types
of
work
and
then
just
wanting
to
provide
a
perspective
on
just
coming
from
communities
of
color
from
the
pacific
islander
and
also
a
local
west
side
resident
here
in
fair
park.
N
A
Well,
thank
you
for
your
time
and
energy
and
thank
you
for
your
your
engagement
with
this
commission.
I
mean
it's
a
vital
commission
and
we've
seen
a
lot
of
good
things
come
out
of
this
commission
and
we
love
working
with
it.
So
I
appreciate
you
stepping
up
to
the
plate
and
getting
involved
with
this
commission,
and
your
name
will
be
on
tonight's
consent
agenda
you're
more
than
welcome
to
join
us,
but
you
need
not
be
present.
A
Moving
on
to
item
eight
we're
going
to
delay
item
eight
and
we're
going
to
move
on
to
item
number
nine
board
appointment
of
the
arts
council,
thomas
kissinger.
A
Good
evening,
thomas,
hey
councilmember,
dugan
here,
there's
six
council
members
here
and
there's
councilman
puys
on
the
screen.
Also
thanks
for
joining
us
this
evening
and
tell
us
a
little
bit
about
your
reasoning
for
wanting
to
be
on
the
arts
council.
T
T
I
work
for
an
organization
called
utah,
clean
energy
and
I'm
involved
in
a
lot
of
different
energy
policy
discussions
there,
and
I
just
have
admired
the
work
that
the
salt
lake
city,
arts
council
has
done
over
the
years
and
I
wanted
to
to
just
try
to
participate
and
and
become
part
of
that
that
public
process.
So
thank
you
all
for
this
opportunity.
A
You're
free
from
there
no
questions
on
our
end,
we're
all
excited
for
your
engagement
and
I
look
forward
to
the
the
work
on
the
arts.
Council
you'll
be
honored.
A
Very
much
you'll
be
on
our
consent
agenda
for
this
evening's
formal
session,
you're
more
than
welcome
to
join
the
the
works
of
the
formal
session
tonight.
If
you
want
to
but
appreciate
your
energy
and
appreciate
your
engagement
have
a
good
evening.
Thank.
E
A
Here
we'll
be,
let's
we'll
move
on
to
item
number
11
the
board
appointment
of
the
mosquito
abatement
district,
amanda
barth.
I
think
I
saw
amanda.
F
I
guess
I'm
just
still
still
getting
acquainted
with
webex
as
a
platform.
A
There
you
are
amanda
well
good
evening,
good,
to
see
you
again,
and
I
think
you
may
just
heard
the
other
comments.
There
tell
us
a
little
bit
about
your
reasoning
for
wanting
to
join
the
mosquito
abatement
district
board.
R
Yes,
thank
you
very
much.
Well,
I
currently
am
the
rare
insect
conservation
program,
leader.
F
For
utah,
I'm
a
utah
state
employee
and
I
partner
my
program
partners
with
the
division
of
wildlife
resources
based
in
salt
lake
city.
F
R
R
Beetle
eradication
advisory
committee
with
utah's
department
of
agriculture
and
food.
F
Well,
I'm
also
the
advisor
a
combine
and
advisory
committee
member
for
the
endangered
species
mitigation
fund,
and
I
feel
that
this
appointment
is
a
great
opportunity
to
help
address
this.
The
great
salt
lake
as
a
critical
habitat
site
for
many
at-risk
species,
including
monarch,
butterflies,
because
they
are
candidate
species
for
listing
under
the
endangered
species
act
and
emphasizing
the
the
opportunity
for
developing
long-term
solutions
like
integrated
pest
management
practices
that
maximize
biodiversity.
I
F
Also
expanding
on
the
existing
endeavors
that
that
are
being
undertaken
by
the
district.
L
I'll
just
say
hello,
again:
amanda,
it's
been
a
pleasure
to
meet
with
you
previously
and
review
your
resume
and
very
excited
for
you
to
serve
on
this
board,
and
I
felt
like
you,
had
a
really
good
balance
of
understanding
the
mission
of
the
mosquito
bateman
district
and
what
they're
already
doing,
but
also
advocating
and
being
able
to
at
least
understand
and
communicate
with
other
people
in
our
community
who
are
who
might
be
concerned
about
some
of
the
things
that
are
some
of
the
practices
that
have
historically
been
done.
L
A
And
thank
you
thank
you.
Amanda
you'll
be
on
a
future
consent
agenda
and
I
think
we're
just
kind
of
ironing
that
this
the
start
date
for
the
budget
so
appreciate
that
very
much,
and
I
look
forward
to
working
with
you
with
on
the
mosquito
abatement
district
board.
A
Moving
on
to
item
number
12
board
appointment,
the
mosquito
abatement
district
shireen
morse
dr
morris
good
afternoon
appreciate
your
time
this
this
evening
and
just
give
us
a
little
understanding
of
why
you
want
to
join
the
mosquito
abatement
district
board.
B
B
F
B
F
B
P
F
A
I
see
none
for
you.
Doctor
appreciate
the
engagement.
I
appreciate
and
I
look
forward
to
working
with
you
on
the
mosquito
abatement
district
board
and
you'll
be
on
a
future
consent
agenda
and
we're
just
ironing
out
the
dates
on
the
the
board
appointment.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
your
engagement
and
look
forward
to
the
working
with
you
have
a
good
evening.
S
Hi,
it's
you
can
call
me
siv
gaffari,
and
I
am
I'm
alone.
A
S
F
S
F
A
A
Your
name
will
be
on
tonight's
consent
agenda
and
you
you're
always
more
than
welcome
to
join
our
formal
sessions,
but
you
need
not
be
present
there.
Thank
you,
mr
gaffari,
and
have
a
great
evening.
A
Council,
I
think
oh
reports,
the
chair
of
ice
here
council,
vice
chair,
no
reports
there
reports
to
the
announcement
of
the
executive
director
nope
no
10
of
closed
sessions,
we're
adjourned
for
the
work
session
and
dinner
time
and
formal
session
at
7..