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From YouTube: Salt Lake City Council Work Session - 05/25/2023
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A
So
we
are
going
to
switch
our
our
agenda
around
just
a
little
bit.
Thank
you
for
being
here.
Sorry,
we
we
have.
We
need
to
move,
do
unresolved
issues
real
quickly,
a
short
version
of
that
before
Jennifer
Bruno
needs
to
leave
and.
A
B
Yes,
yes,
okay
and
then
I
was
just
going
to
briefly
highlight
the
new
information.
Some
some
other
new
information
that's
been
clarified
in
both
the
tracking
sheet
and
the
unresolved
issues
staff
report.
So,
let's
see
first
to
go
to
the
maybe
first
talking
about
the
prosecutors
and
legal
defense,
Defenders
Association
issue.
B
We
had
some
staff
had
some
clarity
today
about
maybe
a
potential
misunderstanding,
and
we
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
it
was
clear
for
the
council
I
think
there
are
two
separate
issues
going
on,
but
depending
on
the
conclusion
in
issue
number
one
that
impacts
the
dollar
amount
needed
for
issue
number
two,
so
I
have
a
visual
Scott.
Can
I
share
my
screen?
Let's
see
or
you
know
what
it's
I'll
skip
it.
B
So
the
first
issue
is
Equity
between
the
city
prosecutors
and
the
County
Prosecutors,
and
that
has
been
raised
by
the
County
district
attorney,
based
on
an
adjustment
that
the
County
Prosecutors
made
to
be
equivalent
to
the
state
pay
scale.
So
right
now
the
city
prosecutors
are
not
at
the
level
of
the
County
Prosecutors.
The
mayor's
recommended
budget
does
have
some
increase
for
the
city
prosecutors,
but
it
does
not
get
them
to
equity
with
the
County
Prosecutors.
So
that's
issue
number
one
issue
number
two
is
equity
with
the
legal
defenders
Association
and
the
city
prosecutors.
B
As
council
member
Wharton
has
pointed
out,
they
are
in
the
same
courtroom,
but
depending
on
your
approach
to
issue
number
one
that
affects
the
dollar
amount,
you
need
to
fix
issue
number
two.
So
a
court
in
the
current
budget
as
it
is
proposed,
the
LDA
does
not
get
to
equity
with
the
city
prosecutors,
but
it
also
does
not
get
to
equity
with
the
state
pay
scale,
which
I
believe
is
a
goal
of
some
of
the
the
conversations
we've
heard
about
the
legal
defenders.
B
A
Can
I
restate
this
and
make
sure
I'm
understanding
you
so
the
the
County
Prosecutors
were
raised
to
match
the
state
prosecutors
the
city
prosecutors
are
not
yet
matched
to
that
legal
defenders
are
not.
The
LD
are
not
matched
to
either
the
city,
prosecutors
and
now
and
of
course
not
if
we
raise
the
city
prosecutors
right
and
not.
Oh
thanks.
Sorry.
A
B
And
I
guess-
and
this
is
not
to
scale
right-
this
is
essentially
represents
what
is
in
the
mayor's
recommended
budget
now,
although
actually
the
arrow
for
LDA
is
probably
not
quite
to
that
line,
so
the
arrow
for
LDA.
What
what
the
number
that
has
been
discussed
with
some
council
members
would
get
the
LDA
to
that
line
that
is
not
equivalent
to
the
County
prosecutors
if
you
yeah.
B
So
if
you
wanted
to
have
both
equivalent
to
the
County
Prosecutors,
you
would
need
to
increase
both
and
I'm
going
to
fix
this
visual
so
that
it'll
make
sense
in
a
minute
but
I
just
we
were
trying
to
make
sense
of
it
in
our
own
heads
our
own.
Our
own
staff,
minds
and
I
think
that,
because
there
have
been
different
conversations,
I
don't
know
that
we
have
the
right
number.
B
We
have
the
number
the
Administration
has
been
working
with
the
county
to
get
clarity
on
the
number
to
get
the
city
prosecutors
equivalent
with
the
County
Prosecutors.
So
I
have
more
faith
in
that
number
and
what
the.
B
Yes,
the
322
and
and
actually
I
I
think
that
there
was
some
confusion
about
the
322
I
think
it's
actually
302
sorry
I'm
gonna,
stop
sharing.
E
A
F
C
B
So
what
I
think
what
staff
will
will
try
to
do
is
figure
out?
What
is
this
council's
policy
goal?
So
is
the
council's
policy
goal
to
have
the
LDA
and
City
prosecutors
be
equivalent,
but
not
to
have
the
city
prosecutors
and
the
counties
prosecutors
to
be
equivalent?
If
that's
the
council's
policy
goal,
then
we
can
shelve
the
322.,
but
then
what
that
means
is
that
the
LDA
is
not
at
the
state
pay
scale
and
I.
Think
that
there's
an
assumption
that
the
city
prosecutors
will
be
at
the
state
pay
scale
and
they
will
not.
A
There
anyone
that
wants
to
sort
of
state
where,
if
they
want
I
guess
the
question
is:
is
there
one
of
those
options
that
we
would
like
Steph,
not
to
figure
out
because
I
think
they're
trying
to
figure
out
like
seven
different
options?
I'm
assuming
everyone
wants
to
know
all
the
numbers,
but
if
is
there
a
situation
councilman
play
so.
I
I,
obviously
this
is
there's
a
lot
of
missing
pieces
of
information
on
this
and
I
think
that
maybe
the
best
way
to
go
about
about
it
is
to
you
know,
share
our
thoughts
about.
You
know
that
we
want
this
to
be
solved
or
find
a
solution,
but
then
do
it
as
in
a
budget
amendment
soon
after
the
budget,
when
we
actually
find
out
the
numbers
and
where
we
can
have
a
discussion
of
you
know
what
actually
we
want
do.
H
F
I
Non-Departmental
share,
maybe
a
general
conversation
about.
Do
we
agree
that
graph
there
that
you
with
the
arrows.
J
I
Do
we
believe
I
think
that
maybe
it's
important
for
us
to
discuss
that
you
know
the
LDA
box
should
be
at
the
same
level
than
the
city
prosecutors
and
not
necessarily
about
the
county
Pro,
the
county
level,
because
we
might
not
have
that
this
year.
But
you
know
it
is
my
argument
and
I
think
maybe
other
council
members
believe
the
same
way
that
they
should
be
similar.
I
Those
two
boxes
should
be
in
the
same
place.
No
I
wish
we
could
do
it
all
the
way
up,
but
at
least
they
should
be
there.
A
A
E
H
E
E
They
work
for
Sim,
so
the
question
is
because
right
now
the
description
as
we
all
are
saying
that
there's
a
discrepancy
due
between
the
city,
prosecutes
and
ldas
as
far
as
pay
is
concerned,
and
the
idea
is
that
we
would
bring
the
LDA
up
to
equal
to
the
city,
prosecutors
pay
scale
and
then
those
up
to
the
county
pay
scale.
As.
E
So
I'm
I'm
open
to
the
idea
of
raising
the
of
the
salaries
I'm
I
want
to
just
understand
the
experience
levels
for
to
be
a
city
prosecutor
compared
to
the
experience
level
that
required
to
be
a
LDA
and
I.
Don't
know
these
are
the
questions
I,
don't
know
about.
L
So
yeah
I,
I,
guess
to
me,
I
think
it's
more
important
that
you
have
parity
on
both
sides
of
the
aisle
in
the
same
courtroom
than
it
is
to
have
parity
between
a
city
prosecutor
and
a
County
prosecutor
and
I
would
like
to
have
parity
between
the
city
prosecutor
and
the
County
prosecutor,
but
that's
a
much
bigger
jump
and
then
requires
us
to
make
an
even
bigger
jump
on
LDA.
L
But
for
me
like
that,
the
county
has
an
entirely
different
budget.
They
have
a
different
compensation
package
and
all
of
that
and
I
think
it's
even
though
they
both
have
the
label
of
prosecutor
and
they,
you
know
some
of
them
are
probably
doing
substantially
similar
work,
whether
they're
employed
by
the
city
or
employed
by
the
county
I
think
it
would
be
because
they're
funded
by
two
different
government
entities,
one
the
county
and
one
in
the
city.
L
I-
think
that
the
discrepancy
there
is
not
one
that
we
can
control
entirely,
whereas
we
have
more
control
over
the
discrepancy
of
two
attorneys
that
are
literally
in
the
same
courtroom,
arguing
the
same
cases
just
ones
on
defense
and
one's
on
prosecution.
A
Councilman
is
it
true
to
say
that
the
city
prosecutors
are
arguing
a
certain
level
of
offense
and
County
Prosecutors
are
arguing
a
higher
level
of
event
like
it
am
I
doing,
am
I
an
architect,
designing
a
fourplex
or
a
12
Plex,
yes,
but
we're
doing
the
same
work
but
one's
a
much
more
complex
building.
Yes,.
L
Most
County
Prosecutors
are
are
in
District
Court,
the
vast
majority
of
them,
which
are
higher
level
cases.
There
are
some
district
attorney
prosecutors
that
are
in
the
County
Justice
Court,
which
are
doing.
You
know
basically
the
same
thing
that
our
city
prosecutors
are
doing,
but
there
are
also
some
of
our
city
prosecutors
that
are
in
District
Court
that
are
doing
what
okay.
L
So
well,
not
quite
but
I,
think
it's
more
comparable,
I
think
most
County
prosecutors
on
the
whole
are
doing
higher
level
offenses
than
some.
F
I
would
I
would
also
like
to
move
that
should
New
Growth
come
in
at
a
higher
rate
than
what's
been
projected
that
this
be
the
priority
for
where
those
funds
would
go.
It
feels
like
this
is
a
pretty
urgent
need
and
I
would
like
the
opportunity
during
budget
deliberations,
to
find
out
why
this
amendment
has
been
so
irregularly
handled.
I
know
this
was
not
provided
to
the
administration
in
a
timely
manner,
and
I
would
like
to
find
out
why
we
are
having
to
do
double
and
triple
time
to
make
up
for
that.
I
Would
love
to
add
to
this
point
right
here
that
you
know?
Maybe
we
should
I
would
like
to
ask
the
administration
about
streamlining
the
contract
with
LDA
and
I'm,
not
talking
only
about
the
prosecutor.
I
know
you
probably
are,
but
it's
also,
there
is
some
weird
host
of
information
from
the
other
side
too,
and
I
think
it
is.
It
comes
from
we
contracts
indirectly
with
the
LDA
instead
of
going
through
the
county
for
these
services
and
the
county
handling.
This
which
might
streamline
everything.
A
I'll
share
my
thoughts,
I
I,
think
I
agree
after
councilman,
Wharton
and
councilman
police
comments.
I
think
I
agree
that
Priority
One
would
be
parody
in
the
same
courtroom
and
then
priority
two
which
I
would
also
like
to
do
would
be
matching
the
county.
A
But
I
will
say
that,
given
the
number
of
things
on
this
list
and
the
fact
that
we
may
not
be
able
to
I'm,
not
yet
at
personally
where
this
is
like
my
top
priority,
but
I
am
not
opposed
to
being
convinced
that
it
should
be
my
top
priority,
but
right
now,
if,
if
the
the
dollars
end
up
not
working
for
some
of
these
other
things,
I'm
not
quite
sure
that
it's
going
to
that
I'm,
it's
somewhere
in
the
middle.
For
me,
I
guess,
is
what
I'm
saying.
E
Mr
chair
I
kind
of
agree
with
you
also
on
that
one
LDA
up
to
this
city
side
of
the
house,
and
if
we
can
then
go
City
closer
to
the
county
side
as
much
as
possible
with
and
within
our
knee
or
within
our
means.
Then
I'm
I'm
appreciative
that
I'm,
as
far
as
which
priority
is
first
there's
so
many
priorities
right
now,
I'm,
not
sure
which
is
the
top
of
the
up,
isn't.
B
We
don't
need
it.
Okay.
It
was
more
to
update
the
council
that
almost
like
to
put
a
caution
flag
out
there,
that
some
of
the
numbers
that
are
being
discussed
are
not
achieving
the
policy
goals
that
people
are
assuming
they're
achieving.
A
B
And
then
there
were
just
a
couple
of
new
items
in
the
unresolved
issue:
staff
report:
I:
don't
need
to
go
over
all
of
them,
but
if
you
could
take
a
look
at
them,
that
would
be
great
there's.
Some
clarifications
on
the
numbers
needed
for
the
lifestyle
savings
account
Council
added.
We
had
forgotten
to
add
previously
when
the
council
received
the
budget
briefing
on
the
airport
and
mentioned
an
interest
in
further
discussing
the
airport
parking
lot.
C
A
To
the
trees
dude,
can
you
is
it
worth
explaining
the
lifestyle
savings
account,
updated
information,
sure.
B
The
Administration
has
identified
that
there
was
some
additional
one-time
funding
in
the
insurance
and
risk
management
fund,
which
is
the
fund
where
employee
benefits
are
paid
out
of.
So
this
is
an
appropriate
expense
there,
based
on
our
timing
and
our
transition
to
work
day,
there
was
one
payment,
one
whole
payment
to
the
city's
Insurance
Fund
that
was
not
needed
so
that
dropped
to
the
insurance
and
risk
management
fund,
fun
fund
balance,
which
then
freed
up
essentially
a
bunch
of
money
for
to
use
for
this
purpose.
A
M
A
M
Yes,
go
ahead,
Jen
I,
think
in
the
past.
You
have
had
like
this
list
as
an
green
and
red
so
that
we
know
and
what
the
red
is,
do
you.
So
how
much
are
we
if
this
was
passed
today?
How
much
in
the
red
are
we
or
are
we
still
within
our.
B
Yeah
like
how
much
are
we
out
of
balance,
I
think
that
it's
it's
a
little
different
this
year,
because
the
funding
sources
are
different.
All
of
those
housing
funds
we're
working
on
clarifying
with
the
administration,
the
extent
to
which
some
of
those
dormant
HUD
funds
are,
and
so
that
would
mean
that
you're
like
that,
would
change
the
dollar
amount,
essentially
by
many
many
millions
of
dollars.
Maybe
that's
a
I
think
by
next
Thursday.
We
may
have
more
clarity
on
that
and
we'll
be
able
to
let
you
know.
Okay,.
D
A
Think
one
piece
of
information
related
to
your
question,
though
councilman
brothers,
that
I
think
I
understand
but
I
would
like
Jennifer
to
help
clarify
is
depending
like
does
the
number
turn
red
when
we
hit
the
13
or
the
10
right?
Because
aren't
we
already
under
the
13
you're.
B
Yeah
for
your
10,
you
have
about
12
million,
so
I,
don't
think!
There's
a
danger
of
going
below
the
10
there's
very
much
a
danger
of
going
below
the
13.
Okay.
A
B
B
E
Range
Dan
and
I
I
think.
Thank
you
very
much
for
that
clarification,
because
I'm
that
line
I
draw
closer
to
12
or
higher
is
is
my
personal
line
is
like
okay.
I
want
to
stay
above
12
and
I
would
rather
stay
even
closer
to
the
13.
But
that's
that's
the
kind
of
line
that
I'm
I'm
using
when
I'm
doing
this,
and
so.
B
For
for
that
reference,
we
added
in
a
line
so
that
you
have
that
12
figure,
you're
4.6
million
above
there's.
B
B
K
Thank
you
and
no
need
to
apologize.
We
know
you
have
a
lot
going
on
with
the
budget
right
now.
I
just
want
to
quickly
tee
up
housing,
SLC,
the
city's
new
five-year
housing
plan,
and
thank
you
guys
so
much
for
your
time
and
consideration
over
the
past.
K
I,
don't
know
almost
year
that
we've
been
working
on
this.
It's
really
been
a
collaborative
effort
with
almost
every
Department
in
the
city
and
has
piggybacked
quite
a
bit
on
the
thriving
in
place
initiative
that
the
city's
been
working
on.
We've
had
excellent
support
from
the
University
of
Utah
doing
community
outreach
for
for
us
on
this
and
I'm.
K
And
so
we
have
been
working
really
hard
with
the
league
and
with
the
Department
of
Workforce
Services.
To
make
sure
that
our
plan,
which
is
one
of
the
very
first
plans
to
come
out
of
these
new
requirements,
is
in
compliance
with
state
code,
and
that
has
been
a
really
big
lift
on
our
part.
Both
pivoting.
You
know
in
March,
knowing
once
the
bill
passed.
What
what
changes
we
were
going
to
have.
So
we
appreciate
your
patience
as
we've
been
working
through
those
issues
and
making
sure
that
our
plan
is
in
compliance.
K
One
of
the
really
exciting
changes
that
we've
made
during
the
legislative
session
is
tying
compliance
to
this
plan
to
Priority
consideration
for
all
kinds
of
different
funding
sources
from
the
state,
including
transportation,
funding,
funding
out
of
the
governor's
office
of
Economic,
Opportunity
and
other
grant
opportunities.
So
we've
successfully
again
this
year
fielded
off
threats
of
if
you're,
not
in
compliance,
that
you
have
penalties
against
your
city
and
so
I'm
really
excited
about
the
work
that
we've
done
here.
K
Rudy
has
done
a
fantastic
job
of
coordinating
this
plan,
not
basically
writing
the
entire
thing
himself,
with
input
from
all
of
the
city
departments
and
coordinating
engagement
with
our
consultant
team
and
and
our
Civic
engagement
team.
So
I
just
want
to
give
him
a
lot
of
credit
for
all
of
the
work
that
he's
done
here
and
again.
Thank
you.
So
much
for
your
time.
K
J
Hi,
thanks
for
having
me
for
being
here,
feel
free
to
go
to
the
next
slide.
Please,
as
Angela
mentioned,
this
has
been
a
long
process
and,
with
you
know
last
time,
I
was
here.
We
talked
about
the
key
findings
and
the
engagement
that
we
did.
We
between
tip
or
thriving
in
place
in
housing
SLC.
We
we
interacted
with
over
6
000
individuals
got
their
feedback
and
that
has
really
helped
inform
what
what
we've
done
and
so
just
as
an
overview
in
housing
SLC.
J
Those
goals
are
supported
by
its
18
modern
income,
housing
strategies
of
the
list
of
24
that
the
state
lets
us
choose
from
and
then
those
18
moderate
income
housing
strategies
are
supported
by
47,
unique
action
items
and
then
just
as
a
reminder,
this
is
a
five-year
plan,
so
it'll
be
implemented
over
the
next
five
years,
guiding
framework
which
in
this
is
shared
with
thriving
in
place,
but
we
hope
to
preserve,
affordable
housing,
protect
tenants,
produce
new,
affordable
housing,
expand
capacity
for
tenant,
support
collaborate
to
maximize
our
impact
and
advocate
for
tenants
and
affordable
housing
at
the
state
level.
J
J
Okay
goal
two
is
to
increase
housing
stability
throughout
the
city
and
I'll
just
mention
housing.
Stability
is
one
of
those
terms
that
kind
of
has
a
lot
of
different
meanings,
but
I
think
it's
best
defined
by
its
opposite.
So
because
housing
instability
has
a
more
thorough
definition
and
you
know
that
is
kind
of
marked
by
unstable
or
having
trouble
paying
rent
experiencing
overcrowding
moving
moving,
frequently
or
spending
the
bulk
of
household
income
on
housing.
So
all
those
kind
of
result
in
housing,
instability
and
there's
there's
more
factors
that
go
into
that.
J
So
housing
stability
would
be
the
opposite
of
that,
and
so
we
want
to
make
sure
that
people
have
stable
living
throughout
the
city
and
so
the
ways
that
we're
trying
to
do
that
are
to
track
analyze
and
monitor
factors.
The
impact,
housing
stability,
so
essentially
better
data
collection
and
better
data
monitoring
than
what
we
currently
have.
J
The
second
metric
would
be
to
assist
10
000,
low-income
individuals
annually
through
programs
that
the
city
funds
to
increase
housing
stability,
those
could
either
be
direct
service
models.
You
know,
programs
that
the
city
runs
itself
or
that
we
fund
Partners
to
run,
and
then
the
third
is
to
dedicate
targeted
funding
towards
mitigating
displacement,
serving
rent
or
households
serving
family
households,
increasing
Geographic
equity
and
increasing
physical
accessibility
of
our
city
and
our
housing
stock.
Next
slide,
please.
J
J
You
know
that
has
happened
over
the
next
last
couple
of
years,
and
so
the
metric
is
to
provide
affordable,
homeownership
and
wealth
and
Equity
Building
opportunities
to
a
minimum
of
one
thousand
low-income
households
over
the
next
five
years.
Next
slide,
please.
J
Angela
mentioned
briefly
kind
of
some
changes
to
State
requirements,
and
so
this
slide
shows
the
requirements
on
one
side
and
then
there's
a
check
mark
saying
that
we're
doing
it.
So
we
must
select
at
least
five
strategies
out
of
a
potential
24
and
we
have
included
18.
J
We
must
include
at
least
six
strategies
to
be
eligible
eligible
for
priority
consideration
for
funding
and
again
we
include
18..
We
must
include
strategy.
V
and
I'll.
I
can
get
into
kind
of
what
those
strategies
are,
but
that
one's
related
to
station
area
plans.
There
was
another
part
of
the
same
bill,
so
we
must
include
strategy
V,
which
we
do.
We
must
include
at
least
one
of
strategies:
G,
H
or
Q.
G
is
related
to
parking
reductions.
J
H
is
related
to
increasing
density,
around
Transit
lines
and
Q
is
related
to
housing
and
Transit
reinvestment
zones,
and
we
have
opted
to
include
all
of
those
rather
than
just
selecting
one
and
the
final
requirement
that
I'll
touch
on
is
that
we
need
to
include
an
implementation
plan,
and
we
do
so.
It
breaks
down
each
action
item
and
how
we
kind
of
a
timeline
for
how
we
will
meet
those
over
the
next
five
years.
J
Move
on
to
the
next
slide.
Please.
J
J
So
on
March,
2nd,
we
this
went
public
and
we
were
able
to
start
the
45
day
period.
We
notified
all
of
the
relevant
groups
and
then
also
sent
it
out
beyond
that
as
well.
J
The
next
day,
the
planning
division
has
a
list
serve
that
they
sent
it
out
through,
and
then
we
between
March,
2nd
and
April
26th,
the
which
is
when
the
Planning
Commission
public
hearing
was
the
plan
was
up
and
a
comment
form
was
available
for
people
to
plan
is
still
up
on
that
same
website
and
people
should
should
read
and
then
I
was
also
accepting
comments
through
email.
Through
that
period,
I
presented
the
Planning
Commission
on
March,
8th
and
March
29th
and
received
feedback
from
them.
J
March
22nd,
March,
23rd
and
April
5th
I,
presented
to
by
the
request
of
community
organizations
presented
to
two
different
Community
organizations
and
one
city,
commission,
and
all
all
those
were
by
invitation.
J
I
will
note
like
in
the
email
that
I
initially
the
notice
that
I
send
out
I
offered
that
I
would
present
it
any
upon
request
and
and
I
got
a
couple
so
and
then
we
also
tabled
at
a
couple
of
events,
one
being
the
city
council
meeting
that
y'all
held
at
the
fair
Park
and
then
I
presented
the
Salt
Lake
Community
Network
on
April
20th
and
Planning
Commission
public
hearing
was
on
the
26th,
so
we
really
tried
to
not
just
have
this
live
online
but
tried
to
be
out
meeting
people
and
the
the
homeless
resource
fair
that
we
tabled
at
in
the
council
meeting.
J
We
got
a
lot
of
feedback
from
those,
so
you
know
I,
I,
think
that
the
comments
to
some
extent
reflect
the
work
that
we
put
in
and
so
on.
The
next
slide
we'll
get
into
kind
of
what
we
heard
during
the
comment
period.
J
So
if
you
so,
we
had
107
respondents
to
the
online
comment
form
59
of
respondents
identified
as
owners,
which
kind
of
was
in
opposition
to
how,
when
we
did
our
initial
engagement
to
kind
of
inform
what
the
plan
would
have,
a
full
45
were
identified
as
renters,
and
so
this
was
a
little
bit
more
owner
heavy
and
overall
there
was
a
positive
response
to
the
plan.
J
51
of
respondents
felt
the
housing
SLC
meets
the
needs
of
the
city
very
well
or
somewhat
well,
with
about
10
percent
who
were
neutral
and
as
I
mentioned
earlier
in
the
in
the
development
of
the
plan,
we
did
hear
from
6
000
people
and
kind
of
tried
to
cater
a
little
bit
to
kind
of
that.
Large
bulk
group
of
feedback
that
we
received
and
so
getting
kind
of
a
general
positive
response
we
felt
was-
was
good.
Some
of
the
themes
that
we
heard
included
a
desire
for
increased
Clarity.
J
The
way
that
it
was
presented
on
the
website
I
think
posed
a
disconnect
between
kind
of
how
the
goals
were
stated
and
how
we'd
actually
do
them,
and
so
we
tried
to
make
that
tie
a
little
bit
more
clear
in
in
the
plan
through
some
revisions,
and
then
we
heard
both
support
for
an
opposition
to
more
housing
and
more
affordable
housing,
and
it
was
kind
of
generally
a
little
bit
of
a
mixed
bag.
On
on
the
comments
that
we
received,
I.
J
Yeah
and
I
think
that
I
think
that
we
I
provided
it
in
the
transmittal
but
I'll.
Okay,
there's
there
is
an
engagement,
a
45-day
engagement
report
that,
and
if
it's
not
there,
I
will
make
sure
to
send
that.
J
And
you
can
read
kind
of
all
the
we
included
all
the
comments
that
we
received
in
that.
So,
if
you
like
reading
through
public
comments,
there
you
go,
you
have
them,
and
then
we
also
received
five
email
responses.
Three
were
from
organizations
and
two
were
from
individuals.
J
Again.
There
was
General
support
for
the
plan,
the
the
two
organizations
that
two
of
the
three
organizations
that
commented
pointed
out
some
omissions
that
we
had
around
physical
accessibility,
and
so
we
did
take
that
into
consideration
and
revised
the
plan
to
include
more
elements
to
to
allow
people
to
age
in
place
and
or
to
create
more
physical
accessibility
in
the
city.
J
And
then
there
were
multiple
comments
on
the
adus
ordinance,
which
I
think
was
the
public
comment
for
both
both
public
comment
periods
for
the
Ado
ordinance,
and
this
kind
of
overlapped
and
I
think
that
there
was
a
little
bit
of
overlap
in
how
people
were
expressing
themselves.
J
And
then
there
was
one
commented,
Planning
Commission
that
you
know
an
individual
felt
that
there
were
some
elements
of
The
Proposal
missing.
There
was
an
in
the
brief
public
comment.
There
wasn't
a
whole
lot
offered
on
that,
but
we
we
tried
to
respond
to
the
public
comments
as
best
we
could.
J
So
if
you
move
on
to
the
next
slide,
this
will
reiterate
a
little
reiterate
a
little
bit
of
what
I
just
said,
but
we
did
try
to
make
changes
and
adjustments
where
we
saw
themes
emerging
and
two
of
those
were
the
inclusion
of
more
elements
that
would
relate
to
physical
accessibility
and
then
also
changes
to
improve
the
clarity
in
both
the
goals
and
the
metrics
as
well
as
how
we
would
do
those
how
we
would
kind
of
implement
those
over
five
years.
J
So
those
were
the
kind
of
two
big
things
that
we
that
we
did
in
response
to.
The
public
comment
that
we
received
next
slide.
J
And
then
at
the
end
of
the
Planning
Commission
hearing-
and
it
was
the
end
of
the
planning
commissioning
hearing
at
around
10
15
PM,
they
made
a
motion
to
recommend
to
this.
The
city
council
adopt,
and
so
it
does
come
with
a
favorable
recommendation
from
Planning,
Commission
and
I
believe
that
that
is
I.
Think
there
probably
is
like
a
question
slide,
but
I
think
that
that's
the
last
content
slide
that
I
have.
But
I
am
now
happy
to
answer
any
questions
that
you
have.
M
Go
ahead,
Mr
chair,
so
thank
you
for
the
presentation
and
for
the
work.
I
had
just
a
few
General
thoughts
or
questions
for
you,
so
that
we
bring
all
of
that
to
the
to
the
minds
of
the
public.
So
they
understand
it
also
as
what
kind
of
impact
we're
doing
with
this
or
we're
hoping
to
do
in
the
next
five
years.
With
this,
so
one
of
the
questions
I
have
and
that's
kind
of,
like
a
movie
Target
in
terms
of
the
Ami.
M
J
M
N
Anyway,
so,
for
example,
80
percent
Ami
for
a
family
of
four
is
eighty
one
thousand
nine
hundred
dollars.
N
N
Fifty
percent,
for
one
person,
is
thirty,
five
thousand
eight
hundred
and
fifty
okay,
and
so
for
it
actually
may
have
just
been
updated,
but
for
fiscal
year
22
it
was
one
hundred
and
two
thousand
four
hundred
is
the
Ami
for
a
family
of
four.
So
that's
100,
Ami
yeah.
J
And
I
think
it's
important
to
remember
that
am
I
said
here
locally.
It
said
at
the
county
level
so
that
it's
a
little
bit
different
at
the
city
level.
So.
M
M
Thank
you
and
then
I
have
another
question.
So
it
looks
like
it's
ambitious,
like
the
numbers
that
we're
going
to
do
a
thousand
units
here
and
that's
great,
because
I
think
that's
really
to
go
for
all
of
it,
and
hopefully
we
can
get
as
close
as
possible.
But
I
was
wondering
in
terms
of
like
our
population
like
percentages
that
we
might
be
helping
like.
M
J
That
I
don't
know
that
I
have
a
full
kind
of
percentage
breakdown,
I
think
I
will
just
say:
that's
also
difficult
to
project,
because
housing
is
like
it's
not
a
geographically
closed
area,
so
building
housing
locally
like
it
affects
the
region,
and
so
somebody
from
South
Salt
Lake,
who
is
not
in
our
current
count,
may
move
into
one
of
the
units
if
it
becomes
available.
So
I
think.
For
that
reason
it
gets
a
little
bit
tricky
to
kind
of
give
percentages,
but
I
can
say
like
we
would
be
I.
Just
sorry.
J
Looking
at
some
of
the
notes
that
I
had
in
terms
of
the
number
of
affordable
units,
we
would
be
increasing
the
output
of
affordable
units
than
from
what
we've
currently
done.
So
we've
been
making
good
progress,
and
this
would
kind
of
ramp
that
up
so
that
even
if
people
were
moving
in,
we
would
be
serving
a
significant
amount
more
than
what
we
currently
are.
A
J
So
I
was
just
looking
at
the
affordable
housing
dashboard
that
the
city
kind
of
posts
online
and
that
uses
2019
data
and
so
at
least
at
the
deeply
affordable
level
like
we
have
made
some
progress
and
I
think
at
all
levels
of
affordability.
We
have
made
some
progress.
J
That
said
and
I
think
I've
talked
to
you
about
this
chair
mono.
Is
it
like
it's
a
tricky
number
because
it's
it
takes
it
kind
of
as
a
zero-sum,
where
these
are
the
number
of
houses?
These
are
the
number
of
people
who
are
housed
and
these
are
where
they
live,
and
so
it
is
a
little
bit
tricky
to
to
say
for
certain.
So.
A
So
my
second
question
is
the
5500
number
that
is
I
think
it
was
said,
that's
the
number
of
deeply
affordable
house
housing
units
that
are
needed.
What
exactly
does
that
number
mean?
Is
that
that
same
zero-sum
game?
So
we
actually
probably
need
more
than
5
000,
because
we're
not
that
that
calculation
of
5500
doesn't
include
people
that
don't
even
have
a
house.
Is
that
true
or
am
I
hearing
that
wrong
understanding
that
wrong.
J
J
N
Well,
the
data
is
it's
hard
to
get
to
that
level
of
detail,
so
it's
essentially
taking
Census
Data
household
data
and
looking
at
household
income
and
then
looking
at
what
the
maximum
rent
a
family
at
all
those
households
can
afford,
which
is
30
of
that
income
and
then
matching
it
up
with
data
on
rents.
Okay,.
A
N
Yes,
projected
affordable,
okay
and
I
would
add
just
to
the
unit
discussion.
The
plan
is
looking
at
supporting
the
creation
of
units,
but
also
Housing
Services,
so
there's
rental
assistance
tied
in
there
as
well
and
a
lot
of
times
that
rental
assistance
is
going
to
the
lower
Amis.
N
M
The
1500
households
I
understand
are
spending
more
than
30
of
their
income.
So
that's
those
are
the
ones
that
we
need
to
help,
but
because
we're
submitting
this
to
the
state
is
that
a
re
is
that
5500
number
estate
requirement
hey.
You
need
to
help
at
least
5
500
people
or
it's
an
arbitrary
number
that
we're
saying
hey,
we
think
we've.
You
know.
We
think
that
5500
houses
are
still
are
suffering
because
they're
spending.
J
More
money,
so
the
5500
number
came
through
a
housing
needs
analysis
that
we
at
the
city
did,
and
the
state
only
requires
that,
like
we
have
a
plan
that
addresses
housing
for
people,
earning
80
percent
Ami
or
below
okay.
J
D
E
So
I
appreciate
this
question
because
I'm
looking
at
page
15
on
your
the
report,
the
draft
plan
and
it
kind
of
it's-
it's
an
interesting
graph.
It
talks
about
the
5500
that
you
have
below
30
percent,
but
then
it
says
we
have
a
surplus
between
30
and
80
percent
of
almost
15
14
000
homes,
and
then
we
have
a
deficit
of
incomes
80
plus
we
have
a
deficit
of
of
seven
or
eight
thousand
homes,
so
the
80
to
120
percent,
we're
not
focused
on
those
we're
still
focused
on
the
30
to
80.
Is
it?
E
J
And
so,
and
in
the
plan
you
know,
there's
the
there's
the
overall
10
000
goal
of
10
000
new
units-
and
you
know
bringing
that
online
will
kind
of
increase
Supply
and
help
ease
demand
pressures
a
little
bit.
But
then
there's
data
kind
of
Nationwide
that
talks
about.
J
If
you
create
housing
for
at
the
most
affordable
level,
then
that
kind
of
broadens
the
base
and
those
people
don't
have
to
rent
up
occupying
the
units
that
people
at
the
30
to
80
percent
need
and
then
because
one
of
the
things
that,
because
we
have
a
deficit
up
at
top-
and
this
is
true
not
even
if
there
were
a
deficit
but
households
who
have
kind
of
the
means
to
afford
what
they
want
they'll,
they
might
choose
a
very
affordable
place
to
live
in
a
in
a
good
neighborhood,
that's
close
to
where
they
work
or
close
to
school.
J
That's
taking
that
housing
unit
away
from
somebody
who
actually
needs
the
deeply
affordable.
So
by
because
there's
more
greater
housing
Choice
the
higher
your
income
goes.
We
want
to
create
more
housing,
Choice
kind
of
at
the
lower
end
of
the
income
scale,
so
that
households
can
have
their
needs
met.
That
then
will
help
filter
things
up
and.
E
E
A
E
A
I
think
my
did
I
see
it
miss
any
comments.
Okay,
I
think
my
general
takeaway
is
great
work.
I
am
excited
that
we're
going
that
we're
going
so
far
above
and
beyond
the
state
minimum,
but
I
would
also
say
that
or
the
state
requirement
is
nowhere
near
enough
and
I
I
still
think
that,
though
this
may
be
a
lofty
goal,
I
I
still
don't
think
like
it
clearly
doesn't
solve
the
problem
in
five
years.
A
The
problem
still
exists
in
five
years,
even
if
we
make
this
lofty
goals,
so
I
guess
I'm
just
saying
that
to
not
to
criticize
the
plan
but
to
say
that,
even
with
our
like
most
this,
this
plan
that
we
have
spent
all
this
time
and
energy
engaging
on
we're
getting
to
2000
out
of
five
thousand
five
hundred,
even
though
we
know
that
5500
might
be
artificially
low
right
like
we're
I.
A
I
Mr
chair,
thank
you
I,
so
I
to
this
point,
I
I
would
like
to
maybe
all
of
us
to
talk
to
our
loving
team
with
the
administration
to
make
sure
that
we
are
pushing
the
state
a
little
harder
on
this
or
or
getting
buy-in
from
the
state
to
increase
their
limits
under
minimums
across
the
board.
Obviously,
this
is
an
issue.
I
There
is
no
an
issue
for
Salt
Lake
alone,
but
we
need
to
have
a
coordinated
effort
with
the
league
of
cities
and
towns
as
a
problem
that
shouldn't
be
only
for
the
capital
city
to
solve,
and
every
jurisdiction
in
this
state
needs
to
be
on
the
same
page.
So
I
would
like
us
to
put
that
in
in
the
agenda
when
we're
talking
to
our
loving
team
as
a
priority
number.
I
One
I
know
that
we're
always
doing
that,
but
I
wanted
to
put
on
the
record,
and
it's
very
important,
to
have
a
specific
goal
say
these
minimums
are
too
low.
Can
you
increase
them
right,
like
so
as
a
specific
ask
to
our
loving
team
to
see
if
we
can
do
that?
And
the
second
question
to
this
is
I
see
in
the
action
items
in
in
the
transmittal.
You
know
the
ordinance
regarding
to
historic
buildings
to
be
transferring
to
be
converted
into
housing
and
I.
I
Don't
know,
I
might
have
missed
this,
but
are
there
need
for
commercial
buildings
or
I.E
Office
Buildings
to
be
converted
into
housing?
I
know
that
many
states
in
the
country
are
doing
that.
Many
cities
in
the
country
are
doing
that.
Denver
our
office,
my
private
office
we
got
kicked
out
because
they
were
transferring
the
building
into
housing,
which
I
thought
it
was
fantastic
for
Colfax
Avenue.
So
it's
happening
across
the
board.
Many
companies
are
not
coming
back
to
their
offices.
I
J
I
mean
I
think
covet
kind
of
changed.
The
way
offices
are
used
a
little
bit
and
I
think.
While
we
don't
call
out
specifically
conversion
of
like
commercial
buildings,
we
do
have
conversion
of
non-residential
buildings
or
none
like
hotels,
motels
and
things
like
that,
and
then,
but
I
think
that
we
leave
it
open
that
that
could
extend
beyond
kind
of
the
hotel
motel
realm
into
other
things.
J
We
would
have
to
take
a
look,
and
that's
the
one
thing
like
with
this
plan:
it's
not
it
doesn't
get
into
the
specific
details,
all
the
time
of
like
that
would
require
ordinance
change,
X,
Y
or
Z,
but
as
we're
going
through
this,
if
we
see
you
know,
especially
if
somebody
you
know
comes
to
us
with
a
project
saying
we
would
like
to
convert
this,
you
know
office,
building
into
housing.
I
think
that
we
would
have
to
take
a
look
at
our
ordinances.
I
I,
don't
know
if
right
off
the
top
of
my
head.
J
M
So
I
read
in
the
news
and
probably
Angela
and
y'all.
You
know
that
I
was
a
president
of
the
Senate
Stuart
Adams
that
he
had
some
sort
of
funding
for
home
ownership.
How
does
and
I'm
not
sure
what
the
I'm
not
sure
what
the
Amis
like
who
qualifies
for
that
home
ownership?
How
does
this
plan
relate
to
that
law
and
those
fundings
I
mean
since
we
have
it
can
hey?
Can
we
have
it
done?
What
are
the
first
ones
probably
to
have
it
done
and
really
ambitious?
Can
you
help
us
like?
K
We
had
a
lot
of
conversation
about
increasing
the
minimum
number
of
strategies
that
a
city
would
have
to
select
and
there
was
a
lot
of
pushback
from
other
cities
that
they
were
struggling
to
even
get
to
the
three
or
four
or
five,
and
so
that's
just
an
ongoing
conversation
that
we're
having
and
you
know,
the
league,
as
always
as
we
know,
threading
that
that
needle
there,
but
certainly
something
that
we're
pushing
of
constantly
of
please
we
need.
This
is
a
Statewide
issue,
not
just
housing
but
homelessness
as
well.
K
We
all
need
to
step
up
the
other
piece.
A
A
Way
we're
doing
we're
required
to
do
five
strategies,
we're
doing
18
and
even
still
we're
projected
to
potentially
hit
a
third
of
our
need
in
our
city.
So
if
all
the
cities
are
only
doing
the
bare
minimum,
we
can
only
imagine
how
long
this
housing
crisis
is
going
to
go
on,
and
when
you
talk
about
threading,
the
needle
between
cities,
that
don't
want
to
do
housing
and
cities
and
that
need
of
housing,
I
I'll,
just
say
on
the
record.
That
is
not
a
needle
that
we
need
to
be
threading.
I'm.
A
N
A
Cities,
other
municipalities
and
residents
in
our
own
Community
realize
we
it
it's
so
imbalanced.
The
history
of
laws
in
our
in
our
country
that
have
made
it
so
that
people
do
not
have
housing
and
that
the
people
that
do
have
so
many
additional
rights
over
the
other.
So
thank
you
for
fighting
that
fight
and
tell
me
anything.
I
can
do
to
help
us
push.
K
K
I
agree:
I
think
we've
come
a
long
way
in
the
past
few
years,
but
it
is
incredibly
frustrating
I,
hear
you
I'm
in
those
meetings
every
day,
fighting
that
fight
and
by
threading
the
needle
I
mean
cities
pushing
back
against.
You
know
having
to
do
more
strategies
and
what
that
means
for
their
community
and
so.
I
So
I
think
it
is
important
to
me
and
I
don't
want
as
a
person
and
as
a
you
know,
an
elected
official,
to
know
what
those
cities
are,
because
I
can
try
to
meet
with
some
of
these
council
members
and
Mayors
as
an
individual,
but
also
as
a
as
a
council
member
for
a
district
that
is
growing
up
a
lot,
and
you
know
and
I
know
that
you
know
there
might
be
some
thoughts
about
that.
I
But
I
feel
very
strongly
about
this
issue
and
I
feel
like
if
we
can
get
a
list
of
some
of
these
cities.
I
will
definitely
love
to
to
know
and
I
know
that
it's
awkward.
But
you
know
it
really
is
important
to
all
of
us
to
be
on
board
and
if
I
can
go
with
coffee
and
try
to
make
sense,
without
with
the
council
member
or
in
another
city,
to
move
the
needle
I
think
I'm
willing
to
do
that.
So
that's.
K
Great
thank
you.
I
I'll
work
with
Kate
and
the
league
on
getting
some
of
those
names.
Those
lists
together,
for
you
guys,
I,
think
speaking
to
your
peers,
is
incredibly
important
as
we
do
within
you
know
the
league
board
and
in
the
Realms
that
we
have
with
with
them.
K
The
other
point
that
I'll
say
is
there's
I
was
in
the
land
use
task
force
negotiating
meeting
yesterday
afternoon,
I
was
in
the
commission
on
housing,
affordability
policy
meeting
this
morning
and
there's
a
lot
of
conversation
around
these
vacant
buildings
that
are
office,
buildings
that
are
sitting
empty.
That
could
be,
you
know
some
cities
are
holding
on
to
those
for
economic
purposes
and
to
create
that
tax
base
and
how
we
can
utilize
those
those
spaces
for
housing.
So
that's
a
conversation.
That's
happened.
Opening
at
the
state
level.
K
It
was
happening
this
year,
but
I
think
it's
heating
up
even
more
right
now.
So
I
know
that
that's
something
that's
very
much
on
the
table
and
then
to
your
question:
councilmember
valdemore's
on
President
Adams,
50
million
dollars
and
first-time
homebuyer
funding.
This
was
something
that
council
member
Dugan
actually
testified
on
in
committee,
and
the
bill
as
it's
drafted
has
450
thousand
dollar
new
construction
I
believe
that
the
Ami
was
80.
K
I
think
are
really
centered
around
being
able
to
utilize
that
first
time,
home
buyer
funding
and
being
able
to
get
people
into
Home
Ownership
opportunities
to
to
your
point,
councilman
Romano
just
really
breaking
down
those
inequities
that
we've
seen
entrenched,
not
only
in
Utah
but
across
the
country.
So
there's
a
lot
of
work
and
conversation
happening
around
that
council.
Member
Dugan
did
a
really
great
job
in
testifying
against
that
bill
or
I'm.
K
Sorry
in
support
of
that
bill,
but
saying
that
it's
challenging
for
residents
in
Salt
Lake
to
be
able
to
utilize
that
funding,
because
450
000
is
really
hard
to
get
new
construction
in
Salt,
Lake,
City
and
so
council
member
Dugan,
both
in
his
testimony
and
in
conversations
with
with
the
organization
overseeing
those
funds
was
asking.
If
there's
opportunity
to
revisit
that
and
I,
don't
know
if
you
have
anything
else
to
add
there,
but
I
think
there's
some
great
opportunities
there.
K
I
would
love
to
I've
been
talking
with
Tammy
about
how
we
can
leverage,
not
just
that
money
that
we
got
from
the
state.
But
we
seen
we
saw
quite
a
bit
of
capital
infused
into
housing
this
year
and
so
I
know
the
the
bites
are
small
of
the
Apple
I
feel
the
frustration
I
get
it
I
think
this
year
we
had
the
most
money
and
most
policy
and
housing
that
we've
had
in
over
20
years
in
legislative
sessions,
so
we're
making
progress.
K
E
Thank
you
very
much.
Angela
I
appreciate
that,
because
it
was
interesting
discussion
because
the
450
was
kind
of
like
across
the
state
and
I've
said:
that's
not
even
close
to
the
median
household,
car
or
house
price
here
in
Salt
Lake
City.
So
would
they
increase
it
for
different
this
year?
Geographical
boundaries,
but
also
is
for
new
construction
and
I
said
you
know.
Salt
Lake
City
doesn't
have
a
lot
of
new
construction
and
new
developments
out
here.
E
So
would
they
be
open
to
the
idea
of
you
know
existing
homes
and
the
housing
Corporation
was
open
to
some
of
these
discussions,
but
they
I
don't
think
they
were
ready
to
have
that
change
to
the
text
Amendment
at
the
time,
but
I
think
we
have
some
inroads
because
the
discussions
and
the
openness
to
their
conversation
of
changing
those
numbers
and
maybe
a
having
an
amendment
to
it
in
the
coming
years,
but
it
will
take.
E
A
K
Yeah
I
think
the
the
challenge
which
is
I
I,
see
this
argument
is
the
increasing
of
that
amount
would
potentially
make
a
homeowner
more
cost
burdened
in
their
housing
in
Salt,
Lake
City.
So
if
we
bump
that
amount
to
550
for
example,
then,
instead
of
maybe
being
in
a
30
cost
Burt
and
they
could
be
a
50
cost
burden,
and
so
that
was
why
they
wanted
to
stick
with
that.
K
E
Because
it's
going
back,
this
would
be
a
perfect
program
for
that
Missy
middle
right,
because
you
know
it's
not
like.
We
always
want
to
have
single-family
homes.
We
want
density,
which
would
be
that
missing
middle
side
of
the
house,
the
condos,
the
town,
homes,
yeah.
That's
what
I
want
to
make
sure,
and
so
that's
that's
could
be
out
of
the
conversation
but
and
also
make
it
existing
in.
In
the
same
case,.
M
A
Yeah
I
think
that
we've
talked
about
this
before,
but
the
issue
of
construction
of
Condominiums,
with
insurance
and
liability
for
Builders
and
developers
and
Architects
I'm
wondering
if
there
could
be
any
advocacy
with
the
state
to
create
some
sort
of
like
secondary
insurance
fund,
to
make
it
like
to
try
and
overcome
that
burden
and,
and
the
reason
I'm
saying
that
is
like
I-
can't
design
condominiums
for
more
than
25
percent
of
my
gross
annual
revenue.
Otherwise,
insurance
companies
will
not
cover
me
at
all
for
any
of
my
projects.
A
So
it's
not
even
a
want
to,
or
have
to
pay
a
little
bit
more
in
insurance
premiums
to
do
Condominiums
like
I
just
cannot,
they
will
I
will
not
be
insured
and
I'll
have
to
close
my
business.
So
there's
got
to
be.
Some
policy
think
levers
that
we
can
try
to
to
push
on
at
the
state
level
to
help
us,
or
maybe
the
federal
level,
to
help
us
with
that.
Overcoming
that
issue,
because
I
don't
think
it's
for
lack
of
desire
to
create
Condominiums.
K
Actually,
really
helpful
feedback
and
I'd
like
to
talk
with
you
more
about
that
offline
I
will
say
that
that
also
has
been
a
really
big
conversation
point
over
the
past
days.
We're
kicking
off
these
policy
conversations
looking
at
impediments,
both
in
state
code
that
that
are
blocking
the
development
of
condos
and
Townhomes,
and
then
also-
and
that
can
be
things
like
how
we
plot
them
subdivision
process.
But
then
also
you
know
ivory.
K
You
mentioned
yesterday
that
there
are
some
issues
just
with
funding
those
and
being
able
to
get
them
out
as
quick
as
you
can
get
out
a
rental
product,
and
so
we're
going
to
be
looking.
That
was
one
of
the
areas
that
we
had
a
lot
of
consensus
on
and
just
sort
of
our
like.
Let's
throw
everything
against
the
wall
conversation
yesterday,
so
I'd
love
to
talk
with
you
more
about
that.
K
It
was
mentioned
again
this
morning
as
well,
so
I
think
we've
been
kind
of
skirt
not
skirting
around,
but
we've
been
talking
about
that
for
a
couple
of
years
of
tackling
that
issue
and
I.
Think
this
year
will
be
one
of
the
years
that
we
really
kind
of
roll
up
our
sleeves
and
and
and
figure
out
what
the
barriers
are
there,
and
you
know
I've
heard
it's
financing
I've
heard
it's
it's
code
issues
I've
heard
it's
there's
a
whole
host
of
things.
That
I
think
we
need
to
address
so.
A
Thank
you
for
that.
I
do
think.
It's
all
specific
to
our
country,
though,
because
I
was
on
a
panel
with
a
professor
from
Winnipeg
who
is
like
an
expert
on
housing
and
gentrification
in
Canada,
and
she
was
saying
that
Canada
is
going
through
a
condominium
boom
and
that's
all
that
is
getting
built
in
Canada
is
condominium
for
sale,
Condominiums,
so
I'm
not
sure
exactly
the
differences
in
the
either
the
financial
systems
or
the
laws
in
Canada
versus
the
United
States.
A
M
It's
all
it's
also.
It
would
be
nice
or
important
also
to
understand
how
this
situation
that
you're
dealing
with
like
how
it
affects
small
businesses
or
medium-sized
businesses
like
yours,
not
being
able
to
you
know
to
increase
capacity
and
and
and
income
because
of
the
loss
like
it
almost
feels
like
you're
being
limited
on
how
much
business
you
can
make.
You
know
you
can
do
like
I,
don't
think
that's
fair
either
I
mean
you
could
potentially
have
a
bigger
company.
M
A
Thank
you
so,
just
to
remind
everybody,
we
have
already
set
the
date
for
this.
We
did
that
on
Tuesday.
Our
public
hearing
will
be
at
our
next
formal
meeting
on
June
6
and
we're
scheduled
for
tentative
candle
at
Council
action
on
June
13th.
A
We
must
adopt
it
by
the
end
of
June
and
we
are
on
to
number
two
in
our
agenda
budget
for
sustainability
department
and
the
refuse
fund.
Ben
luedke
from
Council
policy
staff
will
be
giving
us
an
introduction,
and
we
have
Debbie
Lyons
Sophia
Nichols
and
the
Chris
Bell
here
from
the
sustainability
department
and
waste
and
recycling
division.
O
O
the
department
has
two
separate
divisions.
The
waste
and
recycling
division
operates
as
an
Enterprise
fund,
where
revenues
coming
in
cover
expenses
going
out.
The
other
division
is
the
environment
and
energy
division,
which
is
transitioning
to
be
fully
funded
by
the
general
fund
fiscal
year.
2024
is
planned
to
be
the
final
year
in
that
shift
of
its
funding
source,
so
fiscal
year
2025,
it
would
be
just
like
every
other
general
fund
Department
most
of
the
Department's
budget
about
90
percent,
is
in
the
waste
and
recycling
division.
That's
also
where
the
largest
cost
increases
are
found.
O
I
also
want
to
note
there's
three
million
dollars
for
vehicle
Replacements,
which
is
a
re-appropriation.
So
this
was
an
item
you
saw
earlier
in
the
fiscal
year
and
a
budget
amendment.
The
manufacturers
did
not
accept
new
orders,
so
those
vehicle
Replacements
are
still
needed.
Reappropriating.
The
funds
would
make
sure
that
they're
available
next
fiscal
year,
when
the
manufacturers
begin
accepting
orders
again.
O
O
You
may
recall,
from
the
last
few
fiscal
years
that
the
department
operated
a
lawnmower
Exchange
program
where
gas
powered
lawn
mowers
were
exchanged
for
electric
versions.
What's
proposed
in
fiscal
year.
24
is
to
expand
that
program
with
additional
funding,
move
to
more
than
just
gas
powered
lawn
mowers
to
other
types
of
incentives
and
add
this
FTE
to
manage
the
expanded
program.
A
I
have
a
question
on
that
when
it
was
presented
at
Community
Council,
it
was
stated
at
one
of
the
community
councils-
I,
don't
remember
which
one,
but
it
was
stated
that
it
was
for
lawn
maintenance
companies
or
yard
work
companies.
Is
that
an
expansion
to
that
or
are
we
only
focusing
on
Commercial
companies
this
year
and
not
having
the
exchange
program
for
residents.
O
A
D
O
I
do
want
to
highlight
there's
four
policy
questions
on
this
topic
on
page
four
of
the
staff
report
and
I
think
that's
a
great
segue
to
the
budget
presentation
right.
Let's
do
it.
Hi
Debbie.
A
Q
Our
presentation,
so
if
you
want
to
go
to
slide
four
actually
and
I'll
just
mention
that
we
were
one
of
the
Departments
that
was
selected
to
do
program-based
budgeting,
so
I'm
going
to
describe
what
we
the
exercise
that
we
went
through
and
and
how
that
shaped
up.
So
next
slide,
please
so
in
the
e
e
division,
which
is
our
policy
division
that
works
on
these
programs
that
we
identified,
we
have
seven
programs,
not
including
the
administration
and
the
overhead.
Q
So
the
exception
is
the
food
Equity
program
that
has
one
dedicated
program
manager.
So
not
surprisingly,
the
air
quality
program
is
the
biggest
the
most
major
program
that
we
that
we're
proposing
this
year,
that's
reflected
in
the
budget.
The
base
budget
is
just
a
little
bit
less
than
half
of
that
total
budget
of
a
million
dollars,
and
that
is
just
continuing
the
same
work
that
we've
been
doing
and
then
the
other
half
is
the
proposal
that
Sophia
will
be
talking
about.
Q
Our
climate
program
includes
and
I'll
say
that
all
of
these
programs
have
the
personal
services
the
employee
costs
included
in
those
amounts
that
you
see
on
the
screen.
So
the
the
climate
program
includes
the
carbon
accounting
platform
that
we
use
to
measure
greenhouse
gases
on
on-call
Consulting
partnership
agreements
and
other
miscellaneous
costs.
Q
Q
Outreach
and
engagement
includes
our
part-time
and
hourly
staff
and
materials
and
supplies
and
business
engagement,
and
we
do
one
at
least
one
business
engagement
event
per
year
for
our
E2
businesses,
and
then
the
food
program
includes
the
staff,
as
I
mentioned,
and
some
program
budget
of
about
fifty
thousand
dollars
where
we're
proposing
to
continue
the
micro
Grant.
The
food
micro
grant
program
that
was
very
successful
this
year
and
so
we'd
like
to
continue
that
the
Environmental
Management
program
is
just
staff.
Q
One
of
the
important
things
there
to
note
is
that
the
request
that
public
services
has
made
for
the
environmental
engineer
we
look
forward
to
to
collaborating
with
them
on
more
ProActive
Management
of
our
landfill
relationship,
as
well
as
some
other
projects
where
we
can
be
a
little
bit
more
reduce
the
city's
environmental
risk.
Q
This
is
how
the
waste
and
recycling
program
shakes
out.
This
was
a
little
easier
because
our
program,
our
budget,
was
pretty
much
set
up
in
program-based
budgeting
from
the
beginning.
We
do
not
have
a
separate
program
called
container
maintenance,
which
we
do
have
an
Insight
related
to
that,
but
I
wanted
to
call
that
out.
It
does
support
our
three
weekly
programs,
and
so
garbage
is
over
half
of
the
program
costs,
yard,
waste
and
recycling
makes
up
about
a
quarter
of
the
expenses.
Q
Call
to
Hall
is
a
is
a
lean
machine,
but
we
fulfill
between
nine
thousand
and
ten
thousand
service
calls
per
year
in
addition
to
picking
up
illegal
piles
or
unscheduled
pickups
in
neighborhoods,
as
we
go
out
and
fulfill
the
scheduled
requests.
Our
education
team
is
is
another
great,
a
hard-working
team,
and
they
do
cart
inspections.
You
might
have
seen
them
in
the
neighborhoods,
but
they
also
do
knock
and
talks
where
they
they
knock
on
the
door
and
talk
with
residents
about
their
their
containers
and
what
goes
in
them.
Q
They
educate
people
at
Community,
Council
meetings,
they
do
business
engagement
and
then
they
also
look
through
the
special
event
waste
permits
and
the
construction
and
demolition
based
permits
to
help
folks
set
up
the
proper
waste
and
recycling
at
their
events
and
and
construction
projects.
The
glass
recycling
program
is
a
voluntary
curbside
program.
I
Chair
yep,
a
quick
question
on
this
on
call
to
whole
program
on
the
illegal
dumping
and
I.
Don't
want
to
ask
how
many
of
those
I've
submitted
myself,
because
there's
a
lot
of
them
but
I
think
I
submitted
four
or
five.
The
last
few
days,
I
felt
like
they
just
bloomed
on
the
west
side,
not
only
on
the
west
side,
but
there's
a
lot
of
them
and
the
spring
and
the
summer,
but
throughout
the
year
and
I,
remember
digging
through
this
last
year
that
your
department
will
put
up
some
door
hangers
around
this.
I
Is
that
happening
every
time
that
you
guys
find
an
illegal
dump
garbage
on
and
it's
called
the
call
to
Hall
is
called
end.
Q
If
we
can
and
Chris
can
clarify,
but
I
think
that
if
we
can
tie
a
pile
to
a
house,
if
it's
in
front
of
a
house,
we
will,
we
will
tag
it
or.
I
Exactly
exactly
so
I
you
know,
I
would
like
to
you
know
and
I'm
sure
that
you
have
you're
tracking
these
locations
and
in
each
different
districts
and
parts
of
the
city.
That
information
will
be
important
to
me.
You
know
for
future.
You
know
for
information
to
see
how,
to
you
know,
improve
maybe
on
this
I
I'm
I'm,
definitely
interested
in
trying
to
curve
that
so
people
know
better
we
might
need
to.
I
In
my
opinion,
we
probably
need
to
do
a
little
more
of
a
job
and
explaining
to
the
neighbors
I'm
blasting
out
that
not
to
take
your
junk
out
unless
you
call
in
or
schedule
it
or
I'm,
seeing
a
lot
of
that
and
it's
frustrating
to
a
lot
of
neighbors
to
see
their
neighborhoods
littered
with
piles
of
junk.
So
it
is
important
to
me
that
we
do
a
better
job,
not
saying
that
we're
not
done
doing
your
job
I
mean
saying
that
maybe
we
need
more
resources
to
do
more
of
the
Outreach.
I
You
know
maybe
on
the
newspaper
from
the
west
side,
you
know
the
West
View
at
a
constant,
especially
in
the
spring
and
summer
to
and
in
bilingual
the
door.
Hangers
need
a
little
work
last
time.
I
saw
them,
especially
on
the
Spanish
side.
I
felt
like
they
still
need
to
do.
We
need
to
improve
on
that
and
maybe
going
the
old
school
way
of
putting
yard
signs
saying
you
know,
don't
dump
your.
I
You
know,
call
into
a
schedule:
I
mean
I,
I,
don't
know
what
else
we
can
think
of,
but
we
need
to
improve
on
that.
I
believe
I
also
have
questions
about
the
efficiency
of
the
program
versus
spring
cleaning,
because
every
time
I
see
a
call
to
hole,
I
see
a
gigantic
truck.
You
know
picking
up
junk,
you
know
that
is
being
driven
across
the
city.
You
know,
and
those
are
you
know,
diesel
gigantic
trucks
and
then
multiple
trucks
to
pick
up
all
this
junk.
I
So
I
would
like
to
find
out
how
you
know
if
there's
a
way
of
finding,
if
this
is
actually
an
efficient
way
of
keeping
up
our
city
versus
saying
you
know,
this
is
a
location
you
can
dump
all
your
junk
I
wonder
if
that's
a
better
system
or
not
I'm
sure
that
there's
a
lot
of
people
that
have
opinions
about
spring
cleaning,
certainly
I
when
I
came
to
Salt
Lake
City
for
the
first
time
and
I
drove
an
idea.
No,
the
spring
cleaning
was
the
thing.
I
I
can
remember
one
of
Bountiful,
for
example,
they
they
select
specific
parks
and
they
bring
a
bunch
of
big
gigantic
Dom.
You
know
metal,
container,
dumper
type
things
and
they
they
blasted
around
in
the
neighborhoods
and
say
this
is
your
chance
to
get
rid
of
your
bulky
items.
Don't
take
him
to
the
curve.
I
So
I
have
questions
about
how
to
improve
this.
This
program,
because
I'm
not
sure
it's
getting
to
the
neighbors
quite
like
it
should
so
I
I
would
like
to
know
a
little
more
numbers
about
per
District
on
this
yeah.
Q
We
certainly
have
the
the
data
to
to
show
where
we're
we're
picking
up
and
how
many
piles
and
where
they
are.
We
would
love
to
work
with
you
on
on
better
communication
and
Outreach
in
in
the
neighborhoods
about
about
the
service
and
how
to
use
it,
and
you
know
the
proper
way
to
use
it
and
any
other
ideas
you
have
to
to
improve
the
service.
Yeah.
R
And
I
think
we
could
also.
We
could
we're
happy
to
show
you,
the
the
from
a
footprint
standpoint,
we're
happy
to
show
you
the
reduction
in
footprint
that
we
have
achieved
through
the
new
program
versus
the
old
program
and
how
actually
much
more
efficient.
It
is
at
a
lower
cost,
lower
carbon
method
versus
several
old
big
diesel
trucks.
R
Several
diesel
loaders
versus
a
leaner
set
of
equipment
that
in
in
many
cases,
we
actually
use
much
smaller
equipment
that
emits
much
less
and
and
have
an
opportunity
to
recycle
some
of
that
material
where
the
old
program
achieved.
None
of
that
so,
but
to
your
point,
love
to
have
further
dialogue,
couldn't
agree
with
you
more
that
there's
always
room
to
improve
and
and
drive
this
we're
just
as
passionate
as
you
are
about
it.
It's.
I
O
To
hear,
thank
you.
Thank
you.
Clarification
I,
think
I
heard
you
ask
about
two
separate
but
related
issues,
the
call
to
Hall
program,
but
also
the
the
illegal
dumping
that
goes
on
as
well.
You
want
data
on
both
yeah
I.
I
Guess
you
know,
ideally,
there
won't
be
legal
dumping
if
everybody
knew
that
the
culture
Hall
program
you
know
is
as
efficient
as
it
is,
and
I
done
myself.
So
I
think
those
two
are
related
to
me.
So
if
I
had
information
about
the
illegal
dumping,
maybe
it
will
help
us
improve
the
call
to
call
program.
So
yes,
the
information
about
those
two,
it
will
be
important
to
me
thanks.
Thank
you.
Q
P
Eight
hello,
everyone
great
to
be
with
you
so
on
the
next
slide,
please.
P
This
is
a
table
describing
the
insights
that
we're
going
to
talk
about.
We
have
some
more
at
the
end
just
for
reference,
but
these
are
a
focus
for
our
presentation
in
particular.
Right
now,
I
will
discuss
insights,
one
and
four,
and
then
insights,
two
and
three
about
the
air
quality
incentives
program.
We
will
talk
about
in
a
moment,
so
Insight
number
one.
This
is
our
general
fund
transfer.
As
many
of
you
might
know,
we
have
we
proposed
in
fiscal
year
22
a
gradual
transfer
of
general
fund
support
to
our
division.
P
This
will
be
the
last
year
of
that
transition
before
next
year
being
fully
incorporated
into
the
general
fund.
So
this
year's
transfer
is
one
a
little
over
1.4
million,
which
is
a
an
increase
of
128
000
and
change.
Insight
number
four.
Just
to
to
note
this.
This
is
something
that
has
come
up
in
the
past
past
budget
discussions,
but
we
are
moving.
The
sustainability
has
been
responsible
for
the
O
M
contracts
and
work
related
to
our
stations,
we're
transferring
that
over
to
public
services.
P
P
So
I
have
two
slides
on
this
air
quality
incentives
program,
so
bear
with
me
for
all
the
text,
but
I
think
there's
a
lot
a
lot
we
can
get
into
here.
We're
really
excited
about
this,
because
there's
a
lot
that
the
city
and
that
we
have
done
over
the
years
on
air
quality
through
strategy
policy
and
program
development.
P
This
is
what
you'll
see
in
our
in
our
Base
air
quality
program
budget
there
on
the
left,
which
includes
electrified,
Transportation,
Communications
and
Outreach
Air,
Quality,
Technical,
expertise,
internal
coordination
across
the
city
departments
and
divisions
as
well
as
Grant
Management.
We've
been
lucky
to
be
able
to
use
a
lot
of
grants
for
air
quality
work
to
augment
it.
P
So
we'll
continue
that
work
that
you
that
you
see
there
on
the
left
in
our
base
budget,
keeping
the
EB
charging
station
installations
and
then
on
the
right
you
can
see
here
what
our
incentives
program
ask
is
so
with
strong
support
from
the
mayor,
we're
proposing
a
program
to
improve
air
quality
and
reduce
emissions
at
the
neighborhood
and
at
the
the
home
level.
This
is
something
that
we
are
excited
about.
P
We
feel
like
it's
important
and
impactful,
because
it
can
have
a
meaningful
impact
when
it
might
be
really
hard
to
control
everything
else
around
our
air
quality.
As
you
know,
we
have
these
mountains.
We
have
weather,
we
have
Wildfire
smoke,
but
we
can
swap
out
lawn
mowers.
We
can
provide
incentives
for
e-bikes
and
we
can
help
deploy
tools
for
improving
indoor
air
quality
that
will
have
measurable
impacts
for
our
residents,
so
we're
still
in
the
planning
phase.
P
So,
as
we
discussed
earlier
in
the
past
couple
years,
we've
partnered
with
the
state
division
of
air
quality
on
their
lawnmower
Exchange
program,
which
was
great
because
they
did
all
of
the
work,
and
it
is
a
lot
of
work,
but
we're
really
just
at
the
mercy
of
whatever
they
decide
to
do
with
their
program.
As
was
mentioned
this
year,
they
decided
to
to
change
the
focus
from
residents
to
the
commercial
lawn
care
business
sector,
so
we
we
are
still
partnering
with
them
for
for
the
remainder
of
this
calendar
year
on
that.
P
But
we
very
much
feel
like
it's
complementary
to
be
able
to
focus
at
the
resident
level
and
we've
gotten
a
lot
of
questions
and
requests
for
that
and
I'll
just
say
that
for
each
incentive
we
would
look
to
partner
with
existing
non-profits
work
with
agencies
and
businesses
that
are
already
contemplating
or
wanting
to
do
some
of
this
work,
rather
than
just
launching
something
solely
through
the
city.
P
So
because
metrics
are
important
anytime,
we
are
launching
a
new
program.
We
have
some
here
for
you
that
we
are
contemplating
that
we
would
be
tracking
so
for
all
of
them.
We
would.
We
would
be
tracking
over
participants
overall,
as
well
as
participants
by
ZIP
code
and
Council
district,
and
then
each
of
these
would
have
some
kind
of
equity
component,
which
would
be
slightly
different
depending
on
the
nature
of
the
incentive
and
the
the
technology
for
yard
equipment.
The
good
news
about
this
is
when
you
swap
out
a
two-stroke
machine
for
an
electric
machine.
P
It
has
a
pretty
significant
air
quality
impact,
so
we
would
be
tracking
tons
of
pollution
reduced
as
well
as
the
number
of
units
replaced
in
addition
to
the
overall
participation,
for
example,
the
last
two
years
that
we
partnered
with
the
state.
We
were
able,
just
with
Salt
Lake
City's
funding,
to
reduce
over
eight
tons
of
emissions
from
from
our
program
participation,
and
that's
an
annual
number,
if
you
think
about
people
using
their
equipment
every
year
on
the
e-bike
program.
P
There's
a
lot
we
could
talk
about
here,
but
we've
been
having
a
lot
of
conversations
with
various
partner
organizations,
bike
Utah,
the
University
of
Utah
UCare
potential,
Bike,
Shops
and
and
others
to
and
the
city
of
Denver,
because
they
have
had
a
pretty
successful
program
over
the
last
year
that
we've
been
able
to
talk
with
them
about
so
for
this
one
we
would
certainly
have
an
income
qualified
component
of
it,
and
then
it's
really
important
to
do
some
kind
of
participation
survey
after
the
fact,
because
that's
really
how
you're
going
to
be
able
to
extrapolate
what
the
cost
savings
is,
as
well
as
the
emissions
reduced
from
from
the
behavior
that
you're
that
you're
tracking,
that
would
include
you
know
miles.
P
How
often
do
you
ride?
What's
the
replace
vehicle
trip,
etc,
etc?
And
I
can
go
into
some
of
the
Denver
data?
If
you
want
but
I
know,
we
don't
have
a
lot
of
time
here
so
and
then.
Finally,
on
the
indoor
air
quality
front,
this
is
this
is
a
little
bit
harder
to
quantify
in
terms
of
personal
health
metrics.
We
certainly
know
the
indoor
air
quality
there's
greater
awareness
about
the
impacts
of
indoor
air
quality.
P
The
good
news
is,
there's
a
lot
that
you
can
that
that
people
can
do
at
the
behavior
level,
so
part
of
this
would
be
working
through
existing
partnership
programs.
We've
talked
with
neighborworks
we've
talked
with
our
own
housing
stability
division.
We've
talked
with
the
Utah
Community
Action
Program
we've
talked
to
the
county,
we've
talked
with
the
West
Side
Coalition.
P
Everyone
is
very
interested
in
in
doing
more
around
indoor
air
quality
and
they
want
to
work
with
us
and
so
for
each
of
those
it
would
be
a
conversation
to
learn
how
it
could
plug
more
into
the
existing
programs
that
they
have.
But
we're
really
excited
about
that
because,
even
though
outdoor
air
quality
is
a
problem,
we
spend
most
of
our
time
indoors
and
there's
a
lot
that
can
be
done
to
improve
indoor
air
quality
and
a
pretty
cost-effective
way.
So.
Q
So
one
other
thing
I
wanted
to
add
is
part
of
this
incentive
request
or
or
expansion,
and
we
are
requesting
another
full-time
employee,
because
there
is
a
significant
amount
of
work
to
continue
these
conversations
with
partners
and
figure
out
the
right
combination
of
factors
to
make
the
partnership
successful
as
well.
As
you
know,
the
administrative
tasks
of
putting
those
Partnerships
in
place
and
the
contracts
in
place
on
our
end
and
that
and
the
systems
for
tracking
the
data
and
the
metrics
thanks
Debbie.
P
Yeah,
if
you
can
actually
go
back
to
the
previous
slide
really
quickly,
I
got
so
excited
about
metrics.
That
I
I
forgot
to
mention
that
yes,
we
we
know
this
will
take
a
fair
amount
of
work
and
and
that
we
they're
really
in
our
mind,
go
hand
in
hand.
So
and
with
that,
that's
the
end
of
my
part
of
the
presentation.
So
if
you
can
go
forward,
two
slides
we'll
turn
it
over
to
Chris.
R
Okay,
it's
good
to
be
with
you
all.
Thank
you
next
slide.
Please
thanks.
This
is
a
summary
of
our
five
insights
from
our
division.
The
the
first
three
are
expense
related
and
the
the
last
two
are
on
the
revenue
side,
our
our
largest
expense
categories
that
are
captured
in
the
first
couple.
There
are
employee
compensation,
costs,
cost
related
Fleet
from
Capital
Equipment,
financing,
maintenance
and
fuel
that
are
all
just
Rising
due
to
inflation,
as
you've
heard.
R
R
So
our
inflationary
costs
are
really
just,
unfortunately,
on
Trend,
with
with
the
rest
of
inflation
here
and,
as
has
been
mentioned,
the
staff
report
the
first
one
related
to
Capital,
really,
although
it
appears
to
be
a
step
change
from
current
fiscal
year,
it's
it's
really
a
proposed
reappropriation
of
some
capital
budget.
So
it's
it's
really
not
much
of
a
chance.
Frankly,
it's
actually
a
reduction
which
I'll
show
in
a
slide
to
come.
R
So
this
is
all
the
detail
behind
our
Capital
increase
requests.
We
wanted
to
provide
all
this
information
in
case
you
were
interested
in
seeing
exactly
how
we
would
allocate
all
of
that
Capital
to
replacement
assets.
If
you
were
interested,
all
of
these
Replacements
are
well.
First
of
all,
they
are
all
Replacements,
there's,
not
any
additional
new
units
being
requested,
and
they
are
all
according
to
our
Fleet
recommended
schedule
and
also
in
accordance
with
our
joint
resolution,
to
transition
to
an
electrified
Fleet.
R
Again,
half
of
those
refuse
Packers
are
side,
load,
garbage
or
recycling.
Trucks
were
approved
in
budget
amendment
2
in
this
current
fiscal
year,
although
we
were
not
able
to
order
those
due
to
supply
chain
constraints,
so
we're
just
requesting
to
have
that
reappropriated
supply
chain
issues
remain
very
real,
still
very
challenging,
and-
and
we
need
a
budget
though,
and
have
that
budget
available
to
be
in
the
queue
and
right
now
for
large
equipment.
We
are
still
experiencing
delays
of
18
to
24
months.
R
The
EV
ready
portion
of
that
infrastructure
is
because
we
have
to
install
infrastructure
for
our
four
new
electric
sedans,
but
we
plan
to
do
this
in
a
cost-effective
way
to
include
future
capacity
by
also
installing
the
wiring
capacity
to
add
up
to
three
stations
to
charge
up
to
six
light
duty
vehicles
in
the
future
and
next
slide.
R
This
team
has
seen
increased
demand
over
the
last
few
years,
with
just
with
growth
and
with
special
events
coming
back
now
after
the
pandemic
and
we've
we've
met
that
demand
through
temp
labor,
but
as
we
know,
that
is
a
challenge
to
fulfill
on
a
consistent
basis.
So
we
feel
it's
time
to
add
an
FTE
here.
In
doing
so,
though,
it
provides
an
excellent
entry-level
opportunity
for
someone
to
step
into
a
career
at
the
city
and
and
certainly
offers
a
lot
of
opportunity
for
advancement
in
our
division
and
Beyond
so
feel
well.
Justified
in
that
request,.
C
R
Slide
please,
this
is
our
proposed
residential
service
fee
increase.
This
is
this
is
actually
phase
three
of
our
multi-year
plan
that
we
were
able
to
start
in
fiscal
22
to
reach
and
maintain
our
Target
cash
balance
of
18
of
operating
revenue
and
and
more
CPI
aligned
fee
increases
each
year.
This
is
a
path
that
was
supported
by
customer
survey
that
we
conducted
in
2019.
R
That
overwhelmingly
said
they
are
in
favor
of
small,
regular
annual
increases
rather
than
larger,
sporadic
ones
and
and
prior
to
the
start
of
this
plan
in
FY
22,
we
had
gone
eight
years
without
a
fee
increase
and
subsequently
worked
our
cash
balance
down
during
that
time,
and
we
were
set
to
implement
this
or
propose
this
in
fiscal
21.
But
with
the
onset
of
the
pandemic,
we
waited
until
fiscal
22..
R
So
we
are
proposing
a
12
increase
to
our
fee
this
year.
That
covers
all
three
weekly
curbside
Services
call
to
Hall.
Collection
has
been
discussed
and
holiday
tree
collection
as
well,
and
then
a
small,
a
dollar
ten
per
month
rate
increase
for
our
multi-family
properties
and
small
businesses
that
just
subscribe
to
our
recycling
service
and
and
received
garbage
elsewhere
service
elsewhere.
R
C
R
Started
calling
us
to
begin
downsizing
conversations
which
we
always
welcome
to.
We
always
want
to
talk
folks
through,
however,
they
can
help
manage
that
cost
for
themselves
and
then
better
divert
waste
meet
those
diversion
goals
as
well.
I
have
a
question.
Please.
D
R
I
Okay,
that's
interesting,
Mr,
chair
to
that
point,
I
seen
some
many
multi-unit
Apartments.
Many
of
them
knew
that
are
not
offering
that
service.
You
know
and
it's
to
me
concerning
that
new
development
in
our
city.
I
You
know
it's
not
even
considering
offering
that
service
to
our
residents,
so
I
wonder
if
there
is
a
hole
in
our
ordinances
or
if
there
is
a
way
for
us.
We.
A
Q
The
enforcement,
what
happens
is
a
tenant
can
complain
that
they
don't
have
the
service.
It's
a
complaint
based.
M
That's
what
we
need
please
do
we
work
really
hard.
This
is
when
I
was
in
the
planning.
Division
I
worked
with
Debbie,
with
this
ordinance
and
I,
remember
being
yelled
at
some
business
groups
and
development
groups
saying
you
guys
are
crazy.
The
city
wants
us
to
put
this
here
like
this
is
an
incredibly
expensive
issue
that
we
don't
have
to
worry
about
about
that
console
past
it.
M
D
A
My
other
question
regards
to
recycling
is
I,
know
that
this
doesn't
happen
in
our
region,
but
I.
Don't
know
why
it
doesn't
why
glass
recycling
has
to
be
opt-in
and
a
private
service,
and
because
my
understanding
and
tell
me
if
I'm
wrong
is
that
actually
glass
and
aluminum
are
the
two
that,
like
you,
can
recycle
over
and
over
forever
and
the
material
doesn't
degrade
so
actually
recycling,
glasses
and
a
lot
of
the
recycling
that
we
put
in
our
blue
can
actually
ends
up
in
the
landfill
depending
on.
A
If
we
can't
use
it
or
things
like
that.
I
know.
I,
don't
I
know
that
we
recycle
things,
but,
like
my
understanding,
is
that
the
Plastics
and
things
like
that
degrade
over
time,
but
glass
and
aluminum
can
be
recycled
indefinitely.
So
it
would
be
a
priority
for
me
for
us
to
get
that
included
in
the
base
service
and
I'm
wondering
what
that
would
take.
If
you
could
help
yeah.
R
To
your
point,
I
mean:
that's,
that's
a
that's,
an
excellent
idea
to
to
look
at
potentially,
including
that
in
the
base
service,
you're
right
about
the
nature
of
glass
and
aluminum
recycling
being
infinite
with,
without
any
you
know,
material
or
yield
loss
over
time,
but
best
practice
with
regard
to
that
material
specifically,
is
to
keep
it
separate
because
of
the
impact
it
has
on
other
materials
in
the
single
stream,
not
only
in
the
materials
but
the
equipment,
that's
sorting
it.
It
can
be
very
destructive
to
all
the
other
materials
in
the
Stream.
A
R
Q
How
we
can
we
can
look
at
putting
it
in
the
base
service.
One
thing
to
note,
though,
so
the
recycling
markets
are
very
localized
right,
so
the
closer
you
can
recycle
it,
the
more
economical
it
is,
and
so
most
of
the
glass
that
we
recycle
here
actually
goes
into
fiberglass
insulation.
So
it's
kind
of
an
end
use.
Oh.
I
Know
who's
talking,
I
mean
this
might
be
a
well.
This
is
probably
a
policy
question,
but
I
think
since
I'm
remember
now,
it
will
be
interesting
to
to
find
out
a
little
more
I
always
have
questions
about
gas
stations
and
their
garbage,
because
most
of
the
the
stuff
that
I'm
taking
from
my
car
to
the
I
think
many
of
us
clean
our
cars
when
we're
putting
putting
gas
in
them
and
I
have
you
know,
soda
cans
and
all
of
this
all
the
materials
that
are
recyclable,
but
they
don't.
Never.
I
You
never
find
an
opportunity
to
separate
your
your
junk
from
in
a
gas
station
I
wonder
if
there
is
a
way
for
us
to
encourage
that
from
gas
station
owners
or
chains
within
our
city
limits.
There
is
a
lot
of
us
that
I
mean
I,
see
those
garbage
cans,
full
or
cans
and
I'm
sure
going
straight
to
the
dump.
So
I
would
like
to
find
out
a
little
more
about
this.
If
there
is
a
way.
M
M
R
M
R
They
are
interested
in
expanding
that
they
started
it
with
a
grant
first
of
all,
partnership
with
Intermountain
Healthcare,
but
they
are
interested
in
expanding
that
and
starting
to
maybe
take
names
as
to
where
they
would
expand
that
and
we
can
share
some
of
their
their
proposed
expansion
areas,
but
that
service
is
being
offered
through
them
as
a
subscription.
That's
essentially
a
a
complimentary
service,
pardon
them
it's
because
it's
con.
R
M
F
R
F
R
Yeah.
Actually,
I'm,
sorry
really
just
one,
and
but
thank
you
yeah
next
slide.
R
The
last
is
our
proposed
changes
to
our
special
event
fees,
and
these
are
our
fees
that
we
assess
to
recover
our
actual
costs
to
provide
service
to
the
special
events
that
request
them,
and
these
are
changes
both
both
up
and
down.
That
are
the
results
of
a
very
recent
cost
justification
study
we
completed
in
the
last
couple
months.
The
last
analysis
we
did
in
in
2018.
R
So
this
time
we
took
a
very
deep
dive
into
being
making
sure
we're
very
accurate
about
the
assumptions
around
actual
labor
and
Equipment
costs
directly
related
to
providing
this
service
to
be
precise
about
it,
so
that
is
resulting
in
a
proposed
increase
for
per
container
for
the
relatively
small
number
of
large
events
that
we
do
and
then
a
decrease
for
the
larger
number
of
small
events
that
we
Service
as
as
detailed
there
so
and
just
to
point
out
the
25
000
Insight
impact
is
because
we
did
not
budget
for
this
in
the
past
couple
of
fiscal
years
because
of
the
pandemic,
we
didn't
have
special
events
with
those
back
now
we're
budgeting
that,
but
the
actual
impact
of
these
proposed
fees
is
actually
about.
R
Twenty
five
hundred
dollars
and
then
next
slide
really
this.
We
we
put
this
in
just
as
a
as
a
wrap-up
summary
of
all
the
insights
that
we
just
presented.
So
then
next
slide
a
big.
Thank
you
and
that
concludes
our
presentation.
So
we'd
welcome
any
questions.
F
A
few
things
in
the
budget
book
on
the
50
renewable
electricity
generation
for
municipal
operations
by
2023,
we
have
this
massive
jump
between
22
actual
and
23
Target
and
24
Target,
going
from
12
to
greater
than
or
equal
to
50
is
there
some
factor
that
contributes
that
we
were
talking
is
that
the
facility
finally
coming
online
or
the
solar
farm?
It's
the.
P
O
A
F
Than
a
brown
break
yeah
exactly
on
a
solstice
or
something
yeah,
okay
and
then
the
second
thing
about
the
e-bikes
I've
told
this
to
Kim
Frost
Ad
nauseam.
I
am
fully
in
support
of
this,
but
I
need
you
all
to
be
very
cognizant
of
barriers
that
go
beyond
just
distribution.
I
live
on
the
west
side.
I
just
had
my
eighth
and
Ninth
bike
stolen
from
an
enclosed
patio.
F
I
don't
want
to
create
a
stream
of
things
that
are
just
pawned
at
a
higher
level
when
they're
stolen
from
families.
When
we
have
Studios
being
built
at
400
square
feet,
we
should
not
be
asking
people
to
store
these
in
their
house.
Even
if
they're
foldable,
they
should
be
able
to
sleep
someplace
without
a
rubber
wheel
bumping
into
their
head.
F
Kim
Frost
has
expressed
a
lot
of
interest
in
this,
but
the
distribution
cannot
be
the
goal,
otherwise
our
finances
will
not
be
sustainable.
Trying
to
constantly
replace
the
thing
that
we
have
provided
to
fill
this
need.
I
know
this
probably
exists
in
other
places.
Historically,
Redline
neighborhoods
all
face
these
similar
pressures.
So
it's
not
just
a
West
Side
thing,
but
as
we
do
this,
please
have
a
system-wide
comprehension
of
what
it
means
to
distribute
and
I'm
happy
to
tap
in
and
work
with
you.
F
My
comprehension
would
be
something
on
the
schools,
the
elementary
schools
in
the
area
and
public
parks
that
were
some
kind
of
lock-oriented
thing
down
in
Zion,
near
Zion
Park.
When
we
were
in
St
George.
We
saw
like
bike
lockers
that
you
know
I,
don't
know
how
we
do
it.
The
fee
needs
to
be
low.
The
barrier
to
entry
needs
to
be
low.
Ideally,
a
whole
family's
bikes
could
go
in
at
once,
but
please
that
needs
to
be
considered.
M
A
Us
double
check
our
parking
ordinance
requirements
for
bikes.
F
F
I
On
that
point
on
plastic
bags,
there
is
many
cities
in
this
County
that
are
looking
and
to
do
enacting
ordinances
regarding
this
and
I
felt
like
we
know
that
we
need
to
lead
on
all
the
issues,
but
this
is
an
issue.
Yes,
we
probably
definitely
need
to
keep
up
and
I
hope
that
our
legislator-
you
know
our
lobbying
team
and
you
know
we
can
get
buy-in
from
the
league
and
other
cities
and
make
sure
that
we
can
do
this
right.
M
Yes,
yes
to
all
of
that,
I
wanted
to
also
see
if
you
consider,
when
you
figure
out
the
e-bikes
and
and
the
vendors
and
the
Partnerships,
that
it
might
not
just
be
just
the
bike,
but
also
think
about
who's
going
to
use
the
bikes
and,
if
there's
a
chance
to
add
those
cards
for
children,
because
that
that
might
be
an
option,
because
you
know
it
as
much
as
we
all
want
to.
You
know:
Steer
away
from
cars
and-
and
you
know,
and
use
public
transportation
and
bike
and
walk
more.
M
The
reality
is
for
moms
that
have
multiple
children.
It's
hard
to.
You
know
to
to
get
them
on
a
bike
right,
it's
more
convenient!
You
know
for
Community
to
having
a
car
seat
and
a
car
to
go
three
blocks
to
the
supermarket
versus
walking
versus
taking
a
bus
or
a
train
or
a
bike.
So
if
there
are
some
e-bikes
out
there
that
are
willing
to
think
about
also
partnering
up
and
adding
that
extra
little
cart,
I,
don't
know
what
you
call
it.
The
wagon
cargo.
M
D
P
Be
income
qualified
and
we
would
love
your
input
on.
You
know
what
what
these
priorities
are
that
that
matter
to
you
there
I
can
tell
you
a
little
bit
about
Denver's
program,
just
as
a
point
of
reference.
So
what
Denver
did
is
they
had
a
well?
They
have
a
part
of
a
sales
tax
that
goes
to
fund
all
of
their
sustainability
initiatives.
So
they
have
a
lot
of
money.
So
we're
not
going
to
necessarily
be
at
the
scale
of
Denver
right
now,
but
I
think
we
can.
P
We
can
still
do
a
lot
with
Salt
Lake
City,
so
what
Denver
does
is
they
have
a
300
rebate
or
discount
at
the
point
of
sale?
So
that's
very
important.
It's
a
point
of
sale
discount
for
anyone,
who's
interested
and
qualifies
and
and
kind
of
applies
during
their
monthly
window,
and
then
they
have
a
1200
rebate
for
income
qualified,
so
they
their
stats
from
the
first
year.
P
Is
the
67
percent
of
the
funding
went
to
income
qualified
residents
and
that
those
residents
actually
used
the
bikes
more
than
than
even
the
folks
that
you
know
didn't
receive
the
income
qualified?
So
we
would
be
definitely
looking
to
learn
from
them.
We
also
know
that
our
some
other
fellow
nonprofits
in
the
in
the
state
have
done
a
lot
of
thinking
on
this
and
have
some
other
suggestions
for
us.
P
So
it's
it's
not
it's
not
decided
yet
by
any
means,
because
there's
a
lot
to
it,
but
but
we
appreciate
your
your
feedback
and
guidance
on
what's
important
to
you.
A
It's
just
my
two
cents
would
be
I
would
lean
towards
targeting
more
or
all
of
the
funding
towards
income,
qualified
families,
because
I
think
it's
true
grew.
F
E
That
partnership,
that's
part
by
bicycle
Collective,
there's
a
lot
of
work
with
that
and
the
bike
stores
do
do
have
some
things
like
that.
So
we
just
need
to
connect
and
also
advertise
and
promote
that,
because
bike
Collective
does
a
lot
of
that
kind
of
work
to
teach
and
provide
the
equipment
and
the
training
to
take
care
of
your
bicycle
so
yeah,
which
is
also
in
your
neighborhoods.
I
So
this
is
unrelated
since
to
do
like,
but
it
was
triggered
by
a
comment
that
you
guys
said
a
point
of
sale,
discount
or
rebate
or
whatever
you
call
it.
I
The
Denver
is
is
using
I
when
we're
talking
about
mowers,
I
always
thought
about
the
same
thing,
because
then
you
have
like
places
like
Lowe's
and
Home
Depot
that
are
selling
gas
powered
mowers
within
our
city
limits.
I,
wonder!
If
this
we
can
explore
the
idea
of
incentivizing
the
electrical
purchase
at
the
point
of
sale.
So
we
are
not.
You
know
our
city
residents
are
buying
the
mowers
that
we
don't
want
them
to
buy.
You
know
and
within
our
city
limits,
so
it
is.
L
Q
We
would
have
the
ability,
with
the
lawnmower
or
the
yard
equipment
exchange,
to
look
at
some
of
those
Partnerships
with
those
with
with
those
stores
to
say.
Okay,
if
somebody
comes
in
with
a
this
kind
of
evidence
that
they
live
in
the
city
offer
them
this
discount
yeah.
I
Q
Appreciate
all
of
these
ideas
and
I've
I've
learned
a
lot
from
you
and
I
really
appreciate
your
your
feedback,
because
I
do
I
appreciate
your
your
feedback
council
member
Petro
on
making
this
a
program
that
works,
and
that
is
long-lasting
and
sustainable.
Not
just
here
we're
giving
you
a
free
thing
that
you
can
take
and
then
have
stolen
or
whatever,
but
yeah.
D
R
D
H
I,
don't
even
know
where
to
begin,
but
so
it
turns
it
looks
like
in
April,
April
18th,
the
county,
considered
this
request
from
the
county
attorney's
office
based
on
the
state
taking
action,
and
the
legal
defenders
received
an
appropriation
from
Salt
Lake
County.
They
have
not
yet
received
raises,
but
when
they
do,
as
of
July,
1
They
will
receive
those
retroactive
to
April
1.
H
H
That
is
peculiar,
because
the
city
pays
for
part
of
those,
so
we'll
try
to
get
to
the
bottom
of
that
and
Alejandro
is
helping
us.
Thank
you,
and,
let's
see
so
it's
possible
that
if
the
city
doesn't
find
the
money
to
give
the
city
prosecutors
the
entire
race
as
of
July
1.,
it
is
possible
that
even
the
ldas
will
make
more
money.
H
That
all
sounds
unusual,
so
we're
trying
to
to
trace
back
the
county
had
the
opportunity
to
analyze
the
LDA
salaries
and
so
I
need
to
get
that
information.
We
don't
have
a
written
request
from
either
LDA
the
county
people
who
manage
the
contract
or
the
District
Attorney's
office
on
any
of
this.
So
I've
asked
them
for
written
information
on
the
attorneys
for
on
the
prosecutors
and
then
we'll
work
together
with
council
member
Pui
to
get
a
written
request
or
written
information
from
legal
defenders
or
the
county,
as
well
as
the
documentation
on
their
salary.
C
A
Guess
that,
like
Chris
probably
could
I
was
under
the
assumption
that,
like
we're
kind
of
comparing
slightly
different
models
right,
the
the
city
prosecutors,
our
city,
employees,
that
just
happen
to
be
managed
by
a
County
building
person
attorney
all
that
stuff,
whereas
I
thought
the
LDA
was
just
like
a
group
of
attorneys
and
we
don't
have
a
specific.
You
are
the
city
LDA
and
you
are
the
county
LDA
right.
It's
not
like.
We
have
a
specific
person
that
is
assigned
to
only
City
cases.
Is
that
true.
L
Almost
so
so
LDA
think
of
LDA,
just
like
a
law
firm,
but
it's
a
non-profit
organization
and
a
certain
percentage
or
like
a
working
group
of
that
firm
is
assigned
to
Salt
Lake
City
cases.
So
at
any
given
moment.
Yes,
there
would
be
you
know,
maybe
six
or
eight
I.
D
L
A
Maybe
a
different
way
to
ask
the
question
is
that's
helpful.
Thank
you.
Maybe
a
different.
Another
question
is:
do
we
don't
control
the
salary
for
that?
We
just
give
them
a
lump
sum
and
they
use
that
to
do
whatever
they
want
like
it
goes
into
an
LDA
General
budget
and
then
that
trickles
down
or
does
our
salary,
which
does
us
not
increasing
when
the
county
does
mean
that
our
specific
people
get
paid
like?
Do
we
set
the
salary
for
those
people.
L
A
L
In
against
Salt
Lake
City
cases,
I
see
yeah
and
whereas
the
the
vast
majority
of
their
contract
is
with
the
county
by
defense,
services
for
people
county-wide.
H
They'll
have
a
problem
so
we'll
we'll
try
to
we'll
do
our
best
to
find
out
the
the
the
contract
as
as
proposed
by
the
administration
that
had
the
input
of
the
LDA
did
have
an
increase
in
it,
but
it
wasn't
on
the
scale
of
anything
that
would
address
this
I
think
what
happened
is
all
of
this
came
to
pass
in
April,
and
so
that's
why
we're
playing
catch-up.
A
We,
the
discussion
we
had
previously
I,
still
feel
the
same
as
I
did
is
that
this
is
important.
It
may
be
something
we
have
to
wait
until
after
budget
to
figure
out
and
if
but
if
to
the
extent
that
it
is
a
priority
for
us.
I
want
us
to,
as
councilmember
Petro
said,
put
some
sort
of
placeholder
amount
in
that
we
can
figure
out
what
it
actually
means
later
and
I
I
guess
so.
Yeah.
L
I
would
structure
it
this
way,
and
this
is
just
my
feeling,
I,
don't
know
if
this
is
like
a
straw
poll
or
whatever,
but
listening
to
it.
What
all
of
you
have
said
and
maybe
I'm
biased
because
of
the
way
I
feel
it's
not
that
we
don't
care
about
wanting
to
narrow
the
gap
or
eliminate
the
gap
between
County,
Prosecutors
and
City
prosecutors,
but
I
think
in
order
of
priority.
The
step
needs
to
be
number
one.
L
The
second
priority
is
that
if
we
have
city
employees
working
alongside
City
prosecutors,
working
alongside
County
prosecutors,
that
happen
to
be
in
the
same
building
and
are
managed
by
the
same
person,
which
is
Sim,
we
want
to
get
parity
there,
but
that
needs
to
be
the
second
priority,
and
so,
whichever
comes
first,
whether
LDA
is
going
to
get
a
raise
that
brings
them
above
our
city,
prosecutors
or
or
whether
they
aren't
getting
that
raise
the
way.
I've
just
said:
it
means
that
the
parity
structure
goes
there.
H
Right
and
we'll
just
keep
requesting
information,
and
we
had
originally
scheduled
the
attorney's
office
budget
to
be
in
when
our
on
our
first
budget
discussion
night,
but
because
this
we
thought
we
could
figure
this
out
quickly.
We
delayed
that,
so
they
will
be
here
on
June
1.,
so
Sim,
Gill
and
Ralph
chamness
will
be
here
on
June,
1
I
believe
to
address
it
so,
but
we'll
try.
N
I
I
D
All
right,
I
do
not
have
a
report.
Vice
chair
does
not
have
a
report,
any
other
executive
director
announcements
Cindy
all
right.
We
have
no
closed
session,
so
we
are
adjourned.