Salt Lake City 2023 City Council and RDA Board Meetings, 1 Jun 2023

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From YouTube: Salt Lake City Council Work Session - 06/01/2023

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Good afternoon and welcome to today's city council meeting, our meetings are public and you are welcome to join us in person or by watching from the council's agenda page on Zoom, Facebook, YouTube or SLC TV. We hope you'll continue to join us in whichever manner you feel most comfortable. Today is a work session meeting during which there is no public comment. I.

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Right well, I will proceed. um Today is a work session meeting during which there's no public comment, but our next opportunity for public comment will be on June 6 during our 7 PM formal meeting you are. The public is also always uh welcome to send feedback Anytime by mail at P.O box, 145476, Salt, Lake, City, Utah, 84114 or by email at council.com, or you can call our 24-hour phone comment line. 801-535-7654.

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Any written comments received by the Council Office on agenda related topics are shared with all Council council members and posted to the website, SLCC council.com, and so now we will begin our work session. The first item on the work session is item one: the fiscal year 2023-24 budget for the Salt Lake City Fire Department.

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We have Jennifer for Bruno uh deputy director of the council office, I, see Chief Lieb and who else here with you chiefly.

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Council, chair I have my two assistant, Chiefs Chief Mill and chief Fox, and then my Community Health Access team manager, Natasha Thomas, wait.

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Mr, chair I'll, just give a brief uh introduction and then I'll turn it over to the department. The proposed budget for fiscal year 24 can be found for the fire department can be found on pages 196 to 200 of the budget book. The proposed budget increases the fire department by about 7.6 percent, which is about 3.7 million. Most of the increase is due to Staffing, however, of that Staffing Fiverr proposed to be at the airport, which is fully reimbursable by the airport fund.

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The proposed budget is adding a Medical Response Team at the airport within the general fund. The expansion is for the Community Health Access team, the chat team- that's four employees proposed to be added to that, as well as one fire captain to assist with the Medical Response Team, of which there are now several across the city with that I'll turn it over to the chief.

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Thank you, Jennifer I appreciate that we can go the next slide.

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And another, please so console I'll just give you a general overview of our budget. With this slide, our ongoing expenses are 651 thousand two two five, our one-time expenses, 179 thousand five zero zero, and that makes our total fiscal year 2024 budget request of 830 000. 725, as Jennifer stated, our new fiscal year 2024 ftes proposed is five. In addition, we have five additional FTS for the airport, which are budget neutral. We have five insights in our budget proposal for fiscal year. 2024. next slide, please.

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Our first Insight is is directly related to the Community Health Access team. So I wanted to give the council a little bit of background on what we've seen over the first six months of operations. We are currently into our ninth month June 1st of our pilot program and as a reminder, we have three social workers in the fire department right now, two in the field, and we have one Social, Work manager, Natasha, who sits behind me.

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What you see here are the metrics that we are using as a fundamental Baseline for the operation, so we've had 270 total responses for the Community Health Access team or chat. We've had 357 crew referrals, which means the team did not actually respond to the scene. They were either unavailable or couldn't get there, but the crews have given provided the chat team, these names of people that may benefit from chat intervention.

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We have 135 cases where we have avoided emergency department transport. So that's avoiding that's getting these patients, the the appropriate care and service that they need, rather than sending to the emergency room which isn't ideal for any non-life-threatening situation, and sometimes we end up seeing that same patient within the next 24 hours. We have a 143 instances where we canceled the police department, where police intervention simply was not necessary, but oftentimes.

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They are on scene, so we've been able to cancel them that many times and lastly, we have 91 instances where we did not need a fire department truck or an engine. That's what we call a heavy heavy apparatus and we can put it. We can actually put a cost to how often or what that amounts to 91 calls were. A heavy apparatus is not needed, and that is upwards of ninety thousand dollars. Just in this case, because our hourly rate for four firefighters on one apparatus is almost a thousand dollars an hour.

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Lastly, one of our metrics you'll, see in the in the box to the right of the slide, indicates how often chat was unavailable to respond, and this is what we're finding to be our biggest challenge right now, after the first eight months that we simply have too many responses too many calls too many referrals too many opportunities to provide the service and not enough personnel.

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So if you look at the box it frankly, it just says that we've been unable to respond to 239, which is approximately 72 percent of 334, calls inviving involving a psychiatric patient or substance abuse, issue and I. Think that speaks volumes to where we currently are. This. This program is being utilized, it's being it's being used by the firefighters, it's being accepted throughout the city on this department, and we just need more Personnel to make it go because we have a need- and this is certainly filling- that niche next slide please.

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This leads us to our first Insight Community Health Access team additions. We gave it a city, Matrix score of 30 and a Moscow score of must the request. Total is 398 667. This amounts to four social workers funding for 10 months. We assume it's going to take us at least eight weeks to locate social workers and hire them less than 10 months next slide. Please Insight number two ongoing expense items. We scored this at 28 on the budget Matrix and on the Moscow. It's also a must.

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This is simply additional budget to address contractual and inflationary increases. These are things such as utilities, contracts with technology cell phones, things like that, just really the cost of doing business, and this amounts to 186 606 dollars.

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Next Insight, please. Our third Insight is our fifth FTE coming directly from the fire department budget. It is one fire captain funding for six months. This individual would be directly responsible for the Medical Response teams that we're seeing throughout Salt Lake City. Now that's two firefighters on an SUV. They respond to the more lower Acuity calls of which we have a lot. So at this point we need someone to manage those mrts throughout the city. We have three of them. Now. We've wanted stationed uh station five.

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We have one at station six on the west side of the city and we have one in Sugarhouse at station. Three and ideally I see a fourth one in the Northwest Quadrant of the city. Soon enough, this request, total is 131. 452.

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next slide, please.

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Our fourth Insight is life safety items. We scored this at 22 on the city, budget Matrix and the Moscow score of must. This is SCBA self-contained, breathing apparatus, hydrostatic testing. These bottles need to be tested every five years. We have a new batch of bottles that are coming up on their five-year Mark right now, so we need the funds to make sure that they're operating properly.

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We also included in this an SCBA Compressor replacement that ultimately fills the bottle, so the bottles are prepared for the firefighters to Don and move into an atmosphere that certainly hazardous. So this request is 114 000.

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next slide, please. Our last insight, as I refer to earlier, is revenue cost neutral items for five ARF full-time employees, our aircraft rescue firefighters. This is for the airport. This is cost neutral and an amount of 764 666.

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Next slide, thank you. This is a summary of our fire department, insights, all five that I just discussed and that wraps up our budget presentation of Mayor mendental's recommended fiscal year 24 budget for the fire department. Next slide is just questions.

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Thank you chiefly so the 800, and can we go back to that last slide.

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830 725, that is the total of all the new items, both one time and ongoing. Yes, that's a toll budget request. Council member. Thank you.

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Council members, you have questions for Jennifer, Chief, lead.

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Er yeah yeah. Thank you again, Mr chair uh Chief. You we're asking for four chat team members and the chief uh to get to that fully uh back to 72 percent that are not being that uh BC or being able to handle because of Staffing. Would you need an additional four after that? Or would it is there some type of balance there between when they're being un, uh uh you can't handle the cause of weekends or difference shifts at night, because you're only working at days.

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Right yeah, it's a fair, fair question. Council member. uh This would be a good number for us. It would bring our total to seven chat. Personnel specifically, it would allow us to put 2 two social workers on the east side of the city at station five, where they are right now by the whale that's station five in case, and then we would also be able to put two social workers Monday through Saturday on the west side at station 6, which is by the Smiths on Indiana, Avenue and 9th West.

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Also we'd have two in the public safety building that are handling the referrals that we're getting because we're getting a lot of referrals from the crews, because chat's unavailable to get to their scene. So this would put us, we think it's a good number I cannot say council member. That would be the end-all. This would be it because the program is in eight months.

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This program has developed to a point, much more functional that we even anticipated and the firefighters are utilizing it and they want these resources to be available and when I'm, for instance, I'm in my car on the radio listening to calls I hear a lot of Crews on scene saying is chat available is chat, available, they're, asking dispatch. Okay and more often than not dispatch says we don't have a chat available right now. So I think this will really help us out on a daily basis. The mrts are working Monday through Saturday.

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I would like to see a social worker with the two of those mrts that whole period during the.

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Day appreciate it because I mean this is a great program and just your numbers from the six months here: the emergency rooms uh EDS right yeah, that's that's a thousand dollars a call. I, always I use. That estimate. You know anytime. We call it ambulance, It's, a grand, and so that's you're, saving the city and you're saving everyone across the board, a lot of uh stress relief and a lot of financial dollars.

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So I appreciate and I appreciate those metrics, because those are very helpful because they you can equate that with a dollar and- and you can equate that with uh additional services that that police officer can take so I appreciate those metrics that you have there and.

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Well, that's a thousand dollars that the individual doesn't pay right. Yeah.

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Like we don't send them a bill, they you know, they're diverted from yeah yeah burning from charging. Someone not just I, mean I, think I'm, trying to amplify what you're saying it's, not just the city saved a thousand. That's the individual person that was in a crisis saved. However many thousand dollars if they didn't have to go to the emergency room, yeah.

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So but ideally they received appropriate care right right because our social workers have that toolbox which the firefighters, don't they don't know, all the service providers. We have throughout the city, they're not in a position to make sure that that patient gets to there.

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And the other calls that you said you were able to cancel the police officer's response, which is also a great Avenue. Now now you have people uh focus on the problem that they can, that they are skilled to handle the police officers, go to one job chat team skilled at another position. Shop.

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So I appreciate that. Thank you. This number will enable us to provide but effective service during the day councilmember, and you said something about overnight. It will not enable us to have a social worker on overnight. What we have seen is that the vast majority of our calls are doing the during the daytime hours when the city is occupied.

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There are some calls that come in overnight, where chat is unavailable because there's no, there isn't no Staffing for that right now and on Sundays, there's no one available on Sundays, but it should get us to a point where we should have someone available in a regular business day that can come out and respond.

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Wonderful, thank you. I.

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Have a question you're you're saying you mentioned that the two, the four additional chat team members would be co-located with the MRT teams. Is that is that the ideal model going forward? Is it the MRT and the chat team is sort of an individual team? And do we just need to call it one thing or yeah.

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It's still we we still consider until we've done this for a year council member, it's a pilot program, so we're doing we're doing two different types. We are co-locating a social worker with the MRT and calling it chat. When there's a social worker on the team, it becomes a chat response. If there's no social work available, it's just an MRT. So.

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There's no social workers that go without an MRT.

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No, they will not respond right now. The other part of the model comes out of the public safety building and a social worker will respond with one firefighter from the building and that from our medical division at least one I see and they'll go out and they'll handle referrals. They are not currently being dispatched directly to the scene, they're being asked to respond by the crews or they've heard something on the radio where they think they can make a difference and they self-respond.

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So we're. Looking at those two models, I will tell you, from my perspective, initially I think having the social worker on the MRT is working. Well, we didn't know how long that would delay other MRT calls. You know how, if, if there is a social work intervention, how long will that MRT be there there's? No, there may be there's no physical trauma going on, but there is psychological or substance abuse trauma and the social workers working with the patient. The MRT has to be there with them, because they're they're together all the time.

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So we were interested in how long the MRT would be out of service. We do not think that at this point it's really a significant delay in service for other MRT calls. So that's looking positive, okay.

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That's my repeatra.

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um I just want to take a moment and be positive, because I'm always like bash like beating this drum. Your metrics are beautiful, like like I know where the cost savings are I, know where the Mandate for expansion is I, know the mission of what is happening. Thank you for this Clarity. It is amazing and it should be a model for everyone. When, especially, we are piloting a new program. I know that this one is worth additional investment. Thank you. Thank.

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You council, member petrol, appreciate that thank.

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You this is so exciting, yay I'm, so excited about this I knew it I. We all knew it, but I knew it. We talked about this metrics and how it's going to show that it works. We go and advertise it at the federal level.

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All the time with our you know, um with our peers up there, um so I'm excited to send this to them as well to so that they know how Salt Lake City the capital city is, you know, is doing the alternative response models for the social things that are happening in every city, but you know how we take care of business here and how we're going to keep taking care of business and that we need their support as well, not just Salt, Lake City, the county, the state and our our group up.

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There are representatives and Senators, but, having that said, I'm excited to expand this so I'm. Supportive of this obviously I always want I, have two questions this new, this four new FTS. Are they going to be those that are going to be available at night or not.

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Yet it'll be available until approximately 8 30 council member.

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In the evening, not overnight not overnight, but our goal at some point perhaps next year is to have somebody at night. Maybe I.

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Think we'll continue to generate that data overnight data that we're a chat could have a possible intervention and then we'll address that, depending on the service demand, okay,.

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And then on the second portion, I am not sure if you mentioned that, if that you or have heard that before that it's really hard to find social workers right now like people that would like. So is that your case as well like are you seeing that like we could use more social workers, but we also, where do we find them I.

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Think I think it'd be interesting to hear from our social work manager, who is in that population and just give you an idea of what we saw. The first go around okay.

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I'll ask Natasha to come up and just give give her experience I'd like to hear that too. Thanks.

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For the question it's interesting, it's interesting.

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Hi, thank you, but you were asking it's hard to find social workers right now, how's that market how's, yeah.

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The desirable job.

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Do people want to do that job? Yes, I mean there are a lot of websites that have alumni or recently graduating social workers who are looking for employment and so I know where all those are and how to access those. The first time when we were hiring I felt like we had um a lot of applicants. Okay, we had 40 plus applicants, and even one of our staff was adamant. She wouldn't leave her job. She was not going to leave, but she would appease me and meet with me and talk about the job.

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She is one of our social workers now so what she learned about this job and found out- and she was like yep and she has no regrets- she says all the time- she's very happy, so we might run into some issues finding people but I'm, pretty optimistic I think we have a really good program and I think we can show that to people and they'll want to be a part of it right.

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And the reason why I ask is because we do have the apprenticeship programs in other, you know an IMS and in other areas or public services. I was wondering if there would be a way to incentivize people to come and work for chat. If we have those apprenticeship, apprenticeship, programs or advertise heavily, that the city does reimbursement for additional education if they were to become Salt, Lake City Employees, so they want to go to the next level into social working education. Hey. The city is interested in that as well and anyway, just food for thought.

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If you know, if we're having those issues, I would be happy to say. Maybe we do an apprenticeship as well or some sort of incentive for people to get into that field and join us at the fire department. We.

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Have the same thought, council, member, so an internship program? Maybe a University of Utah we're already in communication with them, and it's already being developed. Okay,.

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Great there you go. Thank you awesome. Thank you.

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Counselors any more questions for the fire department budget.

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It was very clear that the requests so thank you, um okay, seeing none I, guess we'll move on. Thank you so much for being here Chief. Thank you. Council all right! Well, look at that we're 15 minutes ahead of schedule, even with our technology delays.

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um We are moving on to item number two, which is the fiscal year 2023 to 2024 budget for that Department of Economic Development Sylvia Richards from the council policy. Analyst staff will be introduced, seeing this item, and then we have Lorena rifa, Jensen and Jake Maxwell from the Department of Economic Development. Here, as well as I, see other people from the department and background hi Sylvia. Do you want to give us a quick introduction? I would love to thank you. Hi, Lorraine and Jake hello.

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The functions of the Department of Economic Development are twofold: the business Court division promotes local economic opportunities and business expansion by developing Partnerships with communities and businesses. Organizing events and advocating for small and medium-sized businesses to the funding programs, which can assist businesses in the city, include the economic development loan fund program and the arpa community grant program. The proposed budget for the business support division shows a 191 559 dollars or 7.9 percent increase over last year.

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There are no ftes proposed in this budget, so the number remains at 14 for that group. Next is the Arts Council division, which supports artists and arts organizations to facilitate the development and expansion of art, the Arts, as well as of awareness and access of the Arts in the city, the Arts Council programs that the council members are familiar with include Arts artists in the classroom, Arts grants program, Living, Traditions Festival and the Twilight concerts.

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The proposed budget for the Arts Council shows a 147, 912 or 14.4 percent increase over last year, and there are no new ftes proposed in this budget either. So that remains at eight and I'd like to turn the time over to Lorena and Jake now well,.

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Good afternoon good afternoon, Lorena it.

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Is wonderful to see you and thank you so much I know that this is a long process for you, but we're excited to come in before you and thank you. Sylvia for working with us I also want to say before we actually go into a presentation that, from our perspective, this process is arduous and everyone involved from the budget committee, the administration. Everyone is on his best to ensure that we're asking for the right things and we're being fair to one another, especially with other sister agencies and with all the demands in our city.

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So, basically our department. As you know, our mission is to focus on human-centered economic development. Therefore, we actually come together as a department as a team of passionate professionals to build businesses, but also professional line, a professional but also build a wonderful life for a residence. We align our resources and Streamliner processes to grow and nurture a city that can fast so in order to Foster gainful job creation, thriving business districts neighborhoods and ensure that we support our diverse arts and culture scenes that we have within our city um with that.

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If we could go to the next slide,.

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Then we can go to the next one as it was described. We have 22 staff members that provide this work for our city and I have to say that in my professional life of 30 years, I have found an incredible team of passionate, committed individuals that support every single Community every single business district. So thank you to them for the work that they do and our senior leadership is also here and I want to thank them publicly.

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If we go to the next slide.

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With that said, as you will see in this slide, we have highlighted a few of our initiatives. Projects and a Sylvia describe our different divisions that we have just to highlight a few under Economic Development. We have the healthcare innovation, the youth career pathway, arpa, sister city diplomacy, in terms of our Art Council I mean there's, so many we've been enjoying a course that Living Traditions and tomorrow night is the first night for Twilight, Concert, Series and I.

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Believe council member Pui will be there to support that event, and many of you also may be joining us as well. But I do want to read and I think in the words of our residents.

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Basically, what these programs actually do and and the reason I focus on arpa and the reason I focus on the Twilight concert and the Arts Council is because we have had a member of our community who sent- and hopefully you have also received this- an incredible email outlining what these programs do and what does our economic development, in conjunction with your support and and the administration support, what we're doing for our communities? This is from maudo Salt Lake City capoeira, and this is what he stated.

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My cup of water School attracts people from all walks of life in Salt, Lake City, including underserved populations such as Refugee immigrants and people of color, I've, been told over and over again that the capoeira Community I created in Salt Lake City, has provided a sense of belonging for people who fill this place.

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I received two thousand two hundred fifty dollars from the Salt Lake City Arts Council for my project, I organize a week of community workshops in African, Brazilian Arts, including capoeira, and end of the week, with a public performance of this Arts. This gave me the opportunity to bring 18 artist guests from around the world, and the funding helped me cover some of the costs in bringing them to Salt Lake City programs and grants like this helped me continue to provide the Arts, Services and affordable rates for a more vulnerable community members.

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I was also a recipient of the arpa community. Recovering assistant, Grant I, follow closely through the process by viewing the public documentation and meetings and I was so impressed with the upper Grand committee and, as we know, that has come across in previously before this committee before the council, along with the Department that was willing to help us with the application process, striving for equity and inclusivity in all their work.

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I think it's important that I share these words with you, because I can provide you a list of things that we do, but without the feedback of our community we really don't know how well we're doing, and this is an example of when we come together. We have the Arts we have. We have the arpegrands. We have your support. We have the administration, I, think we're doing impactful things for Salt Lake City when it comes to its Economic Development and economic recovery.

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I also did highlight the youth career pathway. As many of you know. Last year, uh November believe November around November 10th. We came together with the Salt Lake School District, the Salt Lake Education Foundation, and some of our life sciences, companies, recursion and biomario, and those companies opened their doors to ensure that our youth and our city have an opportunity to visit them and see what we're doing so.

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They could see themselves in those professions whether they're scientists, whether they're project managers and I'm, just going to read two quotes and I I hope you don't mind it that I do this, but I think it's important for me to relate in the words of those students how they thought this program was affecting their lives.

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I greatly enjoy, and this is a young student. The first lab we visited I felt very empowering and made the future seem hopeful. It seemed that there was a strong focus on how annual any of us could work. There. I also like that. So many people of respected positions chose to come and spend time with us. It made me feel like I, was value to them and that they care deeply for us again, going back to being a human-centered Economic Development Department.

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The words of the people that we're serving I actually believe are the ones who are telling us whether we're going in the right direction or not so I. Just and Jake will talk about more about the youth career pathway and the human and the youth Summit later on next slide. Please.

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In order Economic Development to continue in our mission, we have come before Council to request the support of our requests to the budget committee, which is eighty thousand dollars we haven't had a strategic plan. uh It's I think the the last strategic plan actually ended in 2020.

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We are a different um Community, we're a growing community and it is the right time to do this. We can look at how uh you know the priorities of the cities have changed. How we look uh to the future. We can look at the organizational structure. We can look at the projects and programs that we are executing to ensure that they're meeting the needs of our business community, and that includes our courts, the Arts, as well as of our residents, so we're asking for eighty thousand dollars.

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So we can continue in a journey to ensure that we have the right program strategies to continue building in Salt, Lake, City's, future Jake.

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Next slide, please.

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Okay, so Lorena covered the impact of this youth Summit, but I can give a little bit more background about how um we prioritize it in our department, so we're focused on Health Care Innovation as an industry, but our Business Development Division also meets with hundreds of businesses every single year, and so we know what the good jobs are. We know the connections to the businesses and we want to get those out in front of the Youth of the city and the residents.

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So the youth Summit is intended to introduce students to the healthcare Innovation industry, and we did that by having them tour to life science companies. They kicked it off with a mayor at recursion. They went to bio Maru and we closed out the day at the biohive summit, where they got to do a stem activity and then heard from industry leaders from their own neighborhoods talking about their path to where they were so because of the feedback we got from.

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The students um also mentioned that we had 50 students, but we had to set a limit a cap on how many students we could support to not overwhelm the businesses and there was closer to 100 Kids interested in going. So this is just something that we want to continue to offer. Also, the makeup of the students that attended was very impressive. We had nearly half four girls and half were from an ethnic minority group um on the healthcare Innovation item. This is to support our strategic Partnerships.

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So, rather than duplicating efforts, we really want to support the efforts that are successful in the community. This comes from the healthcare Innovation blueprint to support the pillars for strategic Partnerships brand, promote grow and increase investment, and so these Partners listed here help us to achieve those objectives.

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And so here are our insights. You can see the healthcare Innovation, youth Summit was a must for us with a score 14.

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The Strategic Partnerships is a should with a score of 16, and our strategic plan was a must with a score of eight next slide.

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Okay, thank you for having us we'll open it up to questions Mr.

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Chair yeah, councilman, free.

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Yeah quick question: um thank you for all the work that you guys do I. um There is no there's no secret about my support for this, uh for your leadership and for this department as a whole. um I believe that uh you know the the need to Foster facilitate and support current and future businesses is key to this city uh and in whatever form uh this they come from art. You know artists to gigantic multinational companies in our in my district so um and connecting them with the resources.

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So the Summit is something that I'm very interested in uh the youth Summit that you guys just did uh and what is uh in general. I know that this is Hillary beyond the money. Ask, or you know the budget is specific, but what what did we learn about that? What are the next steps? You know is this something that in general seems to be worth to keep on doing, but how do we measure success on this program? I just in general and I'm?

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Not talking about this, but in general I tend to not struggle with programs that are feel good programs right. It's oh, we feel good about doing this, but what is this specific uh goal that we are trying to achieve and how we are measuring that and the second part is related to the Arts Council and related to some of the budget com complications we had earlier this year and how do we prevent that from happening uh this next year uh coming up because there was uh complicated, I hope that that doesn't happen again.

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So those two thank you thank.

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Questions I'm going to turn the time to Jake who can address the issues you raise regarding? How do we measure performance? We completely agree with you, so he'll he'll talk about that and then we can discuss the second question related to the Arts Council.

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So, in conjunction with the youth Summit, we've been working with the school district on building out their biotech CTE program and they've been doing that. They now have 70 kids signed up for fall semester, and we are also trying to help hold together Partnerships to continue to fund that so Talent Ready Utah meets with US Weekly as well. The State Board of Education joins that as well to make sure that the strands and standards are in place and talent.

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Ready Utah is hoping to help fund that this youth Summit is a way for us to barely introduce the industry to kids and to inspire them. We were intentional about who the businesses put in front of the kids so that they could see themselves in those roles, and so we're hoping to spark an interest, and now, with this biotech, CTA offering there's a way for them to continue to interact with the industry.

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Bringing them to the biohive summit was also so intentional, so that the businesses could see that these kids were interested in those jobs and so with the biotech course being in place. Now. We now have a an area for businesses to continue to interact with the kids. Let's.

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I'm sorry, Career and Technical education for high.

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School students yep for high school students um and then the second question councilman.

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Please sure um I also want to say that Felicia Baca, our director division director for the Arts Council with salsa here and I, just want to convey that. Thank you for that question. um I think it's! It's very timely I want to assure you that we have done a lot of work to ensure that this doesn't happen again. There is a policy and procedure that we've worked with Felicia side by side. We've also worked with our finance department, Mary Beth, who has reviewed that her board, meaning Felicia's Arts Council board, has also reviewed.

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Many of the steps. She's also engaged a consultant, so I will ask Felicia to come up and provide a little bit more detail, but we've done a lot of work to ensure to all of you and to council employee that we're putting. Basically, uh you know uh ensuring that we have everything set up, so it doesn't happen again.

O

Hi, thanks for having me um I, would just concur with everything that excuse me that Lorena said, and um we are working directly with with Mary Beth on this issue, to ensure one of one of the things I'd like to explain that occurred is that with the Arts Council foundation and the division, we have to put our in-kind projections of Staff into that Foundation budget and those numbers were not updated in the foundation budget, but the Arts Council Foundation did not actually exceed any available funds, but because there was a data entry error in that audit of the Arts Council foundation and the cities, it created an audit finding.

O

So we have put procedures in place to make sure those numbers are updated and calculated dates with Mary Beth on budget amendment processes and confirming those numbers with her.

E

Thank you, council members, any other questions. Councilman thank.

H

You Lorraine thank you. Everyone, hi, you're, good I'm, excited about this learn. I'm excited specifically with the Department of Economic Development strategic plan yeah. You know it's very, very important, so I remember when I was an intern. Sorry I keep repeating this, but Salt Lake City's, Economic Development consisted of one senior advisor to that mayor at the time a small business manager and The Intern, that was the capital city, Economic Development group division. This is 2005 2006.

H

So to me that told me that at that time, there's not a lot of interest or priorities for economic development. You know in the capital city like there wasn't really like, um like a focus on it right, but look at look at us. You know 20 or almost 20 years later, where we're at and so I'm super excited and also look at your budget numbers like look at look at how much they spend the year or how much the department costs like four million dollars.

H

This is like the capital city Economic Development investment like in you can, you know like in you know, taxpayers only compared to the other departments. I think this is pretty low. You know, in my opinion, it's pretty low, even though we're in a great position, you have a lot of stuff and obviously their focus is on economic development. So I'm excited for the Strategic plan. To tell us is this number making the impact that Salt Lake City's budget needs?

H

Overall, you know with your department like: is this something that we need to increase because we need return on investment? You know to cover our um our costs here and also you know, and and improve and grow as a city as a capital cities. So I'm super excited about this strategic plan, so I'm trying to say I think you guys do a great job. I think um we just need to not refocus just like go over what what what has worked and what we need to improve on.

H

So it's amazing but I in in the presentation I would like to add. You know that um that taxpayer- oh sorry, that tax return I would like it to be included in a strategic plan so that we know if we invest this much in an economic development strategy in the next five years. This is what we can expect as a city to return.

H

um You know for our budget in general, whether it be more, um we focus more on small, you know small businesses or we. We need to know how to invest. So we can have a better return as an economic development strategy for the city. That's what I would like to see, because sometimes it creates confusion. Are these feel good projects that are we really impacting what we really need to get done here? You know um so I think having those numbers will be great.

H

um What else I was going to say and without the rest, I think I'm, pretty cool, so I'm excited to see where, where we go. So thank you. Thank you. So much.

F

Councilman Dugan Mr chair, thank you and a nice comments. I agree wholeheartedly on that. So that's a great idea. There's just one question from the staff report about the mitigation funds for construction projects and there's no increase to the funding for this coming year, so I I, uh because last year, I guess we added another two hundred thousand dollars so I'm. Just assuming that we feel the good on on construction projects going throughout the city, and we have enough to offset those uh Pains of the the local small businesses.

L

That's a really fair question and it's a great question and we appreciate it. um You know: I I started my Commons today with saying how difficult this process is, and you know all the needs that we have and whenever Economic Development comes to the table, which is I agree with council member of valdo Motors when it comes to strategic plan, we're a different city. Our economy is different, even after the pandemic. Therefore, this is the right time to get that done.

L

I think that the budget committee did an incredible job and the best number was put forward and yet having said that, there's a lot more projects. One of the questions that came to us that Sylvia sent to us was you know, is: is this enough?

L

We did an analysis that was based on the number of businesses from previous project and I. Think we calculated about 15 percent of them apply and we came up with a higher number, so we did come after. We did our analysis. We did come up with a higher number, then the 200 000. Therefore, that also includes that we have more projects coming up. One of them being downtown Salt, Lake City, which the demand is going to be huge there. We have sure house and By Word of Mouth the team going out there.

L

The program has become well known. Therefore, we are having more businesses asking for this funds. This grant funds as a believe April 17th. We have already exhausted all the funds, the two hundred thousand dollars for the projects that we had last year itself.

E

Lisa Schaefer chief administrative officer.

P

Hi, thank you Council chair and thank you. Council for the question. I feel like I need to come up here.

Q

P

Save my friend she's trying to be really nice, we've only budgeted 200 000, which is the same amount that was budgeted last year, just because of balancing the budget and budget constraints, and you know how that all goes. Certainly if there is more available funding, uh this would be a great place to add funding construction right now is Raging and uh yeah.

I

P

We'll spend we'll spend some more if you're able to find funding.

A

We know approximately what time in, like how, far into the fiscal year, the previous year's two hundred thousand dollars sort of ran out or at what point we had to slow down some of those business related construction mitigation processes. The.

P

um The 200 000 that was allocated for fiscal year 23 ran out in April I think you just said that.

L

R

P

Do not worry, no I I was wondering if you're asking for the.

A

No okay, I just missed it. So April.

P

April so we're out of funding currently- and that was the two hundred thousand dollars and and what my friend is saying here, is that that was with the construction season. At the time we actually have added more construction projects uh in this fiscal year, so it the the pressure on that the demand on that fund will be great this year.

A

I, can we flag that as a potential petition, if I think when we get our final numbers and.

F

The question would be: what is that extra money you we get for you to so that's two-thirds, two-thirds! So are you asking for another third so another? We.

P

We could analyze that I think that that uh your team did some work around. How much you think might be reasonable and I can't remember what that is. Robert.

L

And I um Reichel um and her team, they run this grants program and we requested half a million based on the percentage of businesses that have applied previously, and that was the number so three hundred thousand dollars more than what we have there. Okay.

S

P

We funded it 200. She she believes, based on that analysis, that we.

A

Could potentially.

P

Use 500.: it's.

A

Not I mean it's not all or nothing right. It's it's whatever number. It sounds like up to 500 000. You are confident you could use. Yes,.

T

P

All helpful, it's all helpful.

N

But if we can add 100.

L

Oh anything itself: it's.

H

Not this point for Lisa So Lisa, it seems like the economic development group is the one that manages the funds and is there any other department that actually is doing the work out there like people doing the streets and their repairs? Is there anywhere in their budget that they can also help? Add to this.

H

This need that we have so that and the reason what I'm saying is like wow economic development is doing it like we're given by I'm thinking they there.

A

Must be somewhere else.

H

Like where we can.

A

Do some projects have business mitigation? Mitigate funds like the third West project, had some money built into into budget for business mitigation.

E

Is that correct.

P

You are correct: council, member and those um those funds that are built into those large projects are about things like signage and access. This fund is completely different. This fund is about helping to offset costs that are due to construction in front of your building, so.

A

Like I had to change my delivery times and that cost more money or whatever.

L

Okay, so you're engaging someone to do social media for you or you're doing social media everywhere to ensure that your clients know when and where how to get to your business.

E

L

E

A

Thanks so the that makes sense, yeah.

E

um I councilman any more questions on that.

A

I have a question uh from the arts for the Arts Council, again iconic art on the West Side. What does that mean? What can we expect? Is that enough money am.

G

I getting my whale tail can.

A

The whale tail be at.

O

A

O

You dreaming about the brine line and the whale tail. The will account exactly. You know it's gonna be hard to top our existing iconic work of art. It's.

A

A talk we can do it.

O

um So um what we're currently doing is a public art program manager. Renato almeido Gonzalez has been working with a number of different city departments and Community engagement on developing a survey that went live yesterday and so this year that goal for the iconic work of art is really working on. What are the communities hopes and and wishes for this? So the survey asked kind of a number of questions about what art inspires you.

O

What do you think of about your neighborhood in particular, of course, in districts, one and two, and so we're really doing site determination and Community engagement and Outreach this year.

E

A

So the hundred and fifty thousand it's 150 in the budget right for that.

O

I believe in the CIP, but we also are looking at.

O

Getting as dedicated to them as well, and we partner um and execute projects for the Redevelopment agency as well, and so we're we're considering all sites that constitute the west side. With.

A

150 000 that's being requested in this fiscal Year's budget. Four-Year division is for that's just for the engagement or within.

O

My understanding is that there's CIP funds in that total, so there's nothing in in our department or division. All those public art dollars sit in CIP, okay,.

G

Are they percentage for art dollars? Yes, yes, I, believe so so.

A

The percentage for our dollars in the CIP fund is being allocated I.

O

Would want to confirm that with Mary Beth, because um I don't know if she's here but I feel.

G

Like Jennifer is also someone else who or Cindy do you know the Jen think about the or is the percentage for art allocated automatically into the CIP fund and then that's what we're proposing to use for this.

C

I think it's a separate line item for this. The percent for art is, in this year, calculated separately from CIP I think previously it was, and that means there's more essentially for it there's also the line item in the RDA budget before did.

E

C

000.50 correct.

I

C

Think so, one of the suggestions that we had was um if the council wanted to weigh in on whether those funds should be combined for a larger piece or if there are multiple pieces, that that would be better. How.

A

Much did the whale cost.

O

um Trying to remember how.

N

Much we estimated tail.

O

When about 120 000 um and with inflation, I would say that project was under bid, so we're looking to aim higher than that. Does that include artist fees.

G

Assembly wow actually a really good day. That's amazing, 120.

O

And um we uh I believe that number is 150 and then the CIP percent for art is. It is a different number well.

A

I'll just say I think not determine the whale is amazing.

O

And I love the whale.

O

A

I think the West Side deserves something as good or better I.

G

Think the west side should be deferred to and if we want to tell people to kiss our tail, that should be our option.

U

A

But um I'm excited for that.

O

We will do.

A

Our best question.

N

Let's follow up on this. uh Obviously you know I've been talking to your you and your department about art on the west side from you know way back in the day. It feels like a million years ago. It probably was last year at some point.

N

Obviously it was last year at some point, I um one of the staff questions relates to maintenance and I would like to uh because adding this beautiful pieces of art there are, everybody has an opinion about it and that's what art is supposed to do uh right to create some sort of emotion. Some people had all sorts of interesting reactions to it. Yes, um but maintenance is very important to to this and how we are uh going to look in the future to maintain them. So what is the department uh process on this yeah.

O

Let me tell you a little bit about that so A, couple of years ago, um we sort of got a seed fund from public art maintenance and changed the ordinance to allocate 10 to 15 percent of CIP funds annually for public art projects that was absent before, and we often worked with our partners in parks to repair works of art.

O

You now have an annual report, that's kind of commensurate from the mayor on what will be fixed in the coming year before the allocation is made so that fund balance of about two hundred thousand dollars was will be at the end of this fiscal year, almost entirely expended on repairs and you'll get a report that will be forthcoming in July on that with the CIP process. So we are back to having a balance.

O

That's just the 10 to 20 percent of CIP, which will not fix all the works that are are on our list for The Collection. So we plan to be working with the finance department on looking at how to to potentially make a line item ask in the future, because those funds will be expended very rapidly again. On works of art and are also not eligible to care for our two-dimensional works of art in the city, so there's a need. Thank you, yeah and we're working on it.

E

I see no more questions. Thank you so much for what you do for our community thanks.

L

There was one question that you raised in our some of the questions that you raised that were sent to us, um wanted to make sure that we answer all of them. That was the special assessment area and wanted to just bring it up. If you need it wanted.

A

To discuss that special assessment area proposed right now or it's just the discussion about the process of creating special assessment areas.

T

We have been encouraging the administration to come back with a plan to address the all of the small business nodes that are interested in having improvements and trash pickup and services, and that type of a thing and I think you were saying that you are managing the the two this the downtown Alliance and sugar. Well, Sugarhouse is one or isn't all.

L

There were houses there, we've done the pre-work before we actually put one out we're going to be coming back, sending a transmittal on that. We have received a letter from Granary and we've also heard that potentially North Temple will be somehow sometime in the future, requesting for us to potentially look at at a pre-review assessment process of a special assessment area.

T

So so all of the areas at various times have asked about how they can get Services, how their um their needs can be met in terms of extra cleanup or garbage pickup or nicer amenities. That type of a thing so right now the Administration has done quite a bit of work looking at that, but there as far as I know and Lisa could tell us for sure but I, don't think they're ready to make a proposal of a system, but that could be coming your way. If you are interested in learning more.

T

This department has said that you probably don't have capacity to manage more.

L

um No, we we don't have capacity, and you know we like to perform at a high level, and these are very extensive in terms of the process on. We want to do them well. So as they continue, the requests continue to come. There may be, there will be a need for us to have.

L

You know afd position eventually yeah.

A

Do we look at sales tax generated in terms of what level of service is given to certain areas.

T

A

That's never considered.

T

It was probably an original consideration for the downtown at Sugar House, but we haven't done any other districts and and there's probably some legal Equity issues that that need to be looked at as part of this process. But.

A

Well, certainly, I mean I think the special assessment area is a good tool for when certain areas want additional services.

E

For for business notes, but I also.

A

In terms of a policy discussion, I think I'm not opposed to looking at sales tax revenue generated in terms of like there's a lot of business activity happening in this area. There might be more garbage produced in that area, so maybe we pick up the garbage.

L

The ones were being asked are economic promotions like the downtown ones? Is economic promotion? It's not for yeah I.

A

And I think that the oh I mean if assuming we're going to have this policy discussion at some point, I think having all of those things considered, because I think different business districts ask for different things. That's.

L

A

Want better art or better lighting or gardening Landscaping things like that.

G

Can I can I ask? Is there an essay, a designation and I get that we have issues with the port overlay but, for instance, we meet with people down in um like near the sweets. Candy area who have various needs? Is there something for maybe business districts that aren't so reliant on foot traffic and people buying goods, but who are nonetheless economic engines and actually are what keeps this, not property taxes? What keep the city running? Is there an option for them to have an SAA if they choose to so.

L

The essays are always based on the number of property owners requesting um and they usually come to you as well as council members for the respective districts, so once they per se in The Granary, we received a letter, they said you know we. This is something we want to do.

L

They will be reaching out to council members I believe three, three of you are part of that Granary district and then what we do is meet with them analyze and then often there is a request to do the pre-work that needs to be done um and that we come to you and request for a budget amendment I think for sure house.

L

It was sixty thousand dollars, and in that case it was the sure house chamber, the community council there, um as well as a local Alliance, I, can't think of their name, but they came together and requested the funding that you allocated to to have that work done. So we hired a consultant. They did the work and now we're in the next phase, where we're going to be coming back to you to present the findings and moving forward I.

G

Think this is a powerful tool, especially for unlikely places. Are our warehouses and everything to the West require this, but I also just want to say. Thank you. Your work means that housing stays affordable because revenue streams you innovate, take the pressure off of property owners. Your work make sure that our constituents are employed with dignity and have economic Mobility. We know that Economic Development does not happen by X accident.

G

The only thing that happens by accident is economic exploitation, so I love that you all take such a proactive protective stance for our homeowners for our constituents for the people who come in from the suburbs to work here and that you're creating a vibrant City that I want my kids to call home one day where they can find meaningful employment for themselves. Thank you for all of your work. Thank.

L

You so much it's an honor to have the opportunity to do this. Thank you.

E

For your service um Council, we are at 212. Do we have the representatives from the attorney's office here or should we.

A

Go to break early.

E

Break okay: we are scheduled at 234, Attorneys, Office.

A

Right I think we need to wait for for the district attorney.

E

um So why don't we go to break right now or.

A

Do you want to start with unresolved issues or go to break now and then just start unresolved.

N

I have I have a lot of issues, so we.

A

Yeah we we all do.

A

um Okay, do we want to start that I'm fine, either way our break was scheduled for after the attorney's office, so we could either just do it now and then power through after or start unresolved issues. Yes, let's just start unresolved issues. That sounds like what we're doing.

C

C

I think I printed out a new sheet, but since the printing of that sheet, we've added two items so I know I think we just there's no way around that. So um there are two documents where we're tracking unresolved issues. One is the document. That's I think printed out in front of you, which is the latest version of this tracking sheet you'll notice that there are three columns across to the right um and the reason that we've done.

C

That is that some of the items can be funded with things that are not the general fund right. So, for example, uh quite a few of the housing items so or in fact all of the housing ideas starting on line 22 could be funded either with RDA funding or dormant housing funds. I sent some of that information to you guys uh last night and the updated unresolved issue staff report has that item as well. So we can go through those items. uh Maybe that would actually help to be if we could do that later.

C

I'm not prepared for that discussion right this second, but I was going to go over the additional unresolved issues that came up just in the last a couple of discussions, so we've added on the list that you won't see on your sheet: a line item for construction mitigation funding and economic development, and we put a placeholder of three hundred thousand dollars. Although, based on the discussion, it sounds like that amount is scalable, and so, if you know a hundred thousand dollars is available. That would be fine.

C

The next item that we've added- and this is based on new information from the administration that was shared just before the meeting- that, based on some increased collaboration between PD and compliance and in response to a few council members, asking questions about what are the city's tools to enforce on RVs that are parked longer than the allowable area they are proposing or they they put together a proposal- that's not in the budget, but the council could add it if he wanted to called an RV compliance team and it would be three ftes and a vehicle so of the 398 thousand dollars.

C

It would be 398 for the fiscal year 24 budget, 398 thousand dollars, some of that money would be one-time money so because it includes a vehicle. So not all of that money would be needed on an ongoing basis, so we're asking them for some follow-up information on that. How many ftes.

A

Three three ongoing ftes doing.

C

um Outreach and and maybe Lisa can jump up. My understanding is that their primary uh purpose would be to encourage RVs to move along right if RVs have been parked in one area for a very long time. Lisa do you have some key points of what they would do thanks.

P

Yes, that is correct and I am probably not going to articulate this as well as probably Julie, Crookston or Jorge Chamorro. Could I've asked them to send me some information right now and they're diligently working on that the ongoing cost would be 325, so it's I think it's 61 in in one time is how that works out 60, something in in one time. Yes, their their primary purpose would be to enforce the streets for storage ordinance and do that on a more regular basis.

P

There are over 100 vehicles in their queue right now, and so this would help to sort of help people move along, but more than that, it would be making sure that our compliance officers who are hired to do compliance activities, including you know, downtown activation of the streets, making sure that the traffic is is moving riding parking tickets, helping out with our crossing guards and all of those are available for that function. So it's kind of a two two uh two-sided thing.

P

So it's it's increasing the um compliance on the streets for storage ordinance, and it's also freeing up compliance officers that are currently pulled off their duties. To do that now, Mr.

E

Chair okay, but none of the funding.

A

Is to well councilmember free, go ahead, I.

N

Mean I guess they give you a little background from my side of of the story.

N

uh Obviously, the amount of uh notes and messages from Neighbors on related to RBS is very high, especially in my part of town but I'm sure all of us hear it and the impact on the neighbors is great and uh and we you know, we have an earnings on the book and it is fair to say that we have to find the common ground to enforce these rules but at the same time be fair to those that are living on the RBS.

N

But the impacts are great and right now we don't have the resources to enforce on this, uh as as we we have it on the books and ask a body that legislates and creates this uh this book of ordinances. We have to also give the administration the tools to enforce uh on on those I.

N

uh I also wanted to connect this with what my original intent was related to the Blackwater vouchers, which you know as part of this unresolved list is, is giving this being an opportunity for those uh telling them telling those are they're living on our bees. Hey this: here's about your to go: dump your water or your black water.

N

If you, if you need one um and- and this is the the resources that are around and I'm, hoping that, if, if we can fund this, we can connect it with all the other parts of the of the system that the city is doing with the chat team and all these other resources. uh So we can actually help those individuals that are living in our streets or an RV. So that's my background on this issue.

N

I I appreciate the administration coming up with an idea and a plan on this, um so I hope that that helps understanding uh what this, what this come from. I.

A

Guess I'm: this is the first time hearing of these three ftes, so I'm not yet uh have not yet wrapped my hand or head around it but I'm. My first question is: why would we be increasing the compliance team rather than adding to the heart team that could act and, like I, think the money for the Blackwater, remediation or I just don't see the point in more money to get people to move along when there's nowhere for them to go and I'd rather put the resources into teams?

A

That would help get those individuals connected with the things that they need and I'm, not sure that that is the heart team or not. But it seems to me like I'd rather Focus energy in that area than.

N

Which is true also that there's not enough resources in any of the other pieces of the equation and we have no control about. In many cases we have no control on on housing in many cases, so I again, this is a good debate for us to have and a good conversation I uh I feel like. We need to do something on that side of the enforcement side, because again many of our code enforce uh people are, are pulling to this issue and not able to enforce in other parts of our code.

N

So it creates a big gigantic jam on the system and I hope that I that's correct, yeah.

P

And that is correct, I would I would like to say I hardly asked Jorge to come up, so he's behind uh me. If, if you want to ask him some questions, he would have better way to answer those, and also I just want to make it super clear that your point is very, very right on um and- and we are not doing this in terms of just the compliance team only this is a multi-departmental effort to try and address this specific issue. The heart team is absolutely involved, and Andrew can talk about that.

R

Write about the bigger picture is there's not a place to go part of the reason. We've got 100 plus Vehicles across the city that are across the city, but predominantly moving west of I-15. For the most part, it's less occupied, there's more open space, bigger streets if you're focus on those kind of things, current effort- that's happening for winter, overflow next next winter, to have six to eight hundred beds for winter.

R

That's also sort of meshed with whey, meterhauser's work on another emergency, shelter location as soon as this year, but figuring out where to put that in the land. That is a good answer to where to go combined with the housing pieces. So there is a pilot that will be part of the former Ramada for parking. So there are some efforts to move to more solutions. This is an effort from the city and to say we still need to help folks not entrench in one location or multiple locations. Because what happens there?

R

Is you set up a vehicle? The vehicle towed you their leaves potentially, and then you set up camp essentially in multiple locations and it's very difficult, because right now, compliance is going out because it's a parking issue, because we have a 48-hour parking ordinance right. They go out. They can enforce two days a week, usually Tuesdays and Thursdays, but you can sort of do the math 48 Hours. You do the notice, you can't catch them the next time or we can't get somebody out there to help immediately. It becomes weeks and weeks.

R

So this is one effort to try and do an intervention, because for the most part, when they're, smaller encampments of folks, who are parking, a couple of vehicles when they're given notice- and we come back to enforce on the 48 hours they leave voluntarily move so part of it is helping just keep the movement and keeping compliance with the according ordinance. There could be a further discussion, obviously from the council, about the ordinance itself, because our current ordinance never envisioned occupy Vehicles this way, and so we don't have anything specific to that.

R

So I think there'd be some appetite to look at that. As well as part of this, but then you're right we're still working on the ultimate solution of where they can go legitimately.

A

I guess I guess for me, the three additional ftes feels like a big, a big budgetary item that is setting a policy Direction and I I I'm, not yet ready to say that that's the policy Direction I'm comfortable with, but do we need to look at this issue holistically? Yes, it comes from Petro.

G

So I'm so incredibly torn on this, because I'm one of the people who's talking to any team that will pick the phone up for me, because this is this is huge and it's it's schools and the duress under which the people who are occupying these vehicles, it's increasing and I'm, seeing increased tensions between the people who are forced to live in their vehicles and the neighbors around them.

G

um Notably, we have at least one school that goes k through eight, where parents and people inhabiting the vehicles have gotten into altercations, and it's the parents calling me telling me that this happened so I see this as a huge issue and compliance has to happen. We have to be able to let our kids go to school and drop them off without you know conflict, but do we have any timeline on when there's a place to go? I feel like right.

G

The investment to me is sound, but I hate the idea of it being a Sisyphus sort of trying to push a rock up a hill kind of thing. Do we have I I, know I'm, probably asking for blood from a turnip by asking you this question, especially on the public record, but I do need to ask it in terms of a policy Direction and in terms of making sure our investment does what we're hoping it will. Is there anything on?

G

Do we have any sort of timeline on the horizon, for when we can stop pushing the peas around the plate and, like you know, get them to a destination.

R

First answer is: probably there is a deadline of this year for winter. We have that every year, obviously this year the numbers are larger, so October is when that 6 to 800 beds should be available depending on where it's located. Okay, so that's one as far as the year-round 24 7 option that we've been working with Wayne niederhauser on there is initial funding for it. There's direction to go and do it. They're working from the state end about the process to get consultants and get a provider essentially to do it.

R

The big issue right now is just finding a land so he's actively pursuing that and I don't have a time frame for one he'll find the right piece of property. It may coincide with the current efforts with the com process for winter overflow, because they're looking at similar properties across the entire County, so it could go together and work well this summer and locate multiple properties that could be useful. I. Just don't have a firm timeline for that foreign.

H

Like Victoria said, but you know what was easier for me to understand earlier one of the fire presentations, the fire department. Researchers said these are the calls. This is how many we were able to do, and this is how many we couldn't do. So. This is how we can solve this portion here with four more ftes.

H

We have the SLC mobile app, so it would be easier for me for education purposes to say: hey we get calls and SOC mobile app, and you know all of this related to RVS this many times a week, and we can only help move this many people and we've been able to give resources to this many people and so on.

H

But if we had three more fdes, this is where we would have them go, or this is how we can help or- and then, even with that information, we can also look at holistically and say: okay, maybe we don't need three FTS. Maybe we need to put that money into a place where they can actually go and park all together, that's a designated spot for RVs for parking. So it's easy for everybody to understand from our staff compliance the public, hey, you find an RV.

H

You need there's a place for you to go park, but you can be parking in in a residential area where there's only 48 Hours of parking allowed and on top of some things that are happening, that shouldn't be happening right outside.

H

You know, right on the sidewalk or on the street, where cleanup is difficult, where all of the things that we see in the street, so maybe I can wrap my head around. If I had better information of how many people I.

N

Believe they said that you guys have some some of that. Don't you yeah! We have hi.

V

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V

Afternoon for the record tomorrow, director of public services- and we have we had this this uh same conversation this morning- and yes, there is a log currently that has scheduled resources for the next month and a half because we're addressing it on Tuesday and Thursday, with the coordination of heart and PD to show up to these locations. So we have already booked uh Tuesdays and Thursdays for the next six weeks and everything then comes in the next six weeks will be just added to the list.

V

So, yes, we have a report and we can share it with Council as to whether locations are the size of of uh these encampments, as well as the the small ones that that appear in multiple places as well and when I refer to small ones as one or two vehicles and large ones we're talking about anywhere from five to twelve or the most recent one. Around Wallace stegner 32 Vehicles were involved, so those are the ones that require the most attention now in terms of what this team would be doing.

V

I just want to remind Council that compliance has the core function of them is to enforce parking across the city yeah, including media reinforcement, including this 48-hour parking restriction in public roads. The most demanding one is is the 48 hour. Why? Because you need to show up document the vehicle and come back later in two days to confirm that the vehicle has moved and is now in compliance or not. So it's a it's a two visit right and they may be in compliance, which is very simple for them.

V

For for a vehicle to be in compliance, they just need to move, and that's that's. The part that we enforce, but following up, allows us to maintain that movement to lessen the impact on one location that has been considered vulnerable right.

N

And I agree: I think this is a very good point. Mr chair, sorry I, um it's CC I mean I. Obviously, as you probably know by now, uh the issue related to those shelter is very important. To me. I mean I've been pushing for sanctioned campaign since day one uh RV camping, you know probably also for day one, but we need to figure out how to minimize the impact to all the neighbors and the fact that many of these RBS are in the west side of Salt Lake City.

N

uh It is an impactful great in in the neighbors that don't need it the most. If you wish right the neighbors that are struggling with with all sorts of other uh challenges uh and we need them to move um and they can go uh legally a couple blocks away or across the street or whatnot and and then you know reset the timer, but the idea is that many of my neighbors are telling me this is happening. No one is doing anything. I'm dealing with I have kids, they need to go to school.

N

I cannot take them. There is garbage everywhere. Something needs to happen, so there needs to be a mechanism to enforce our own things on the book and I believe that this is a good first step towards that direction. Obviously, as you can see, and then you know and unresolved issues, there is a line 28 which you know I've been pushing for which is sanctioned camping as a grant, but so I.

N

You know, I'm not seeing this as a when you said about holistically I think we are trying to see this as holistically and the state and the Administration has been working very hard to get the state on board and the state allocated money for this I feel like we need to push more. But the fact there's many cities around us are enacting RB laws which creates a bigger problem in our residents and again, a bigger, even a bigger problem on West Side residents. In my opinion,.

A

Okay um is: are there any last comments on this? Okay? So, let's move on to attorney's office and then we come back to unresolve issues after the break.

G

While we're transitioning thank you Administration for hearing us so clearly and bringing a potential step towards a resolution, foreign.

A

You have an introduction for us. Yes,.

K

Yes, practice quarter's office men as well as a contract with the County District Attorney's office to manage the prosecutor's office, closed budget request, requests an increase of 1.3 million or 11 percent, um and that's mainly attributed to three factors which includes the proposed edition of two new ftes, the five percent salary increase and the proposed 200 000 increase in salaries for their City prosecutor's office attorneys and, if approved, the FTE uh number of ftes will be 60.5.

K

The two new positions are one new assistant, City prosecutor position, Miami model and one new special project, analyst in automation, position in the recorder's office and as council members are aware, there's been some discussion about salary, parity among City prosecutors, County, Prosecutors and legal defenders, and with that I'll turn the time over to Katie.

S

Hello city, council members, I'm Katie Lewis, the Salt Lake City attorney and I'm joined by Sim gill, who serves as a city prosecutor, Ralph chamness, the chief Deputy district attorney and Paul Fuller they'll come up later. We actually have two slideshows the city, attorney's Office, PowerPoint and then the prosecutor's office and I thought I would give my presentation and then give you a brief introduction about the relationship between the District Attorney's office and the city prosecutors and then hand the rest of the time over to sim Ralph and Paul for their presentation.

S

So if we could start my city attorney's office slideshow, that would be great and while we're waiting I'll start by saying the city attorney's office is in a unique position because we represent all departments in the city and both branches of government. We have a few divisions. Our exceptional recorder's office, led by Cindy Lou trishman Who, has really transformed that division into a sophisticated service provider that is really committed to transparency.

S

I have a leadership team of four division: Chiefs Kimberly chitrus Jonathan, papacitoris, Katie, Nichols and Deputy City attorney Mark Cottrell, and they are my right hands. That's right: I have four right hands and we couldn't do the great work we do without their leadership and then we also have a new risk manager, Lori Roberts, who came from Marie City and is bringing a wealth of energy and expertise to our risk division.

S

So thank you. We can go to next slide.

S

This tells you a little bit about our internal service provider Department. We are big city attorneys with a small staff of lawyers, and we are involved in every aspect of what the city does. We save the city money we protect the city, we engage with the public in every department and I would love for all of you to think about every issue that you all are working on in every headline you see in the Salt, Lake, Tribune or other newspaper and I can just about guarantee that my office is involved in it.

S

We are a highly highly trained and skilled professionals and I'm really proud of our team next slide.

S

These are our three budget requests that are supported in the the mayor's recommended budget for a total of 187 thousand dollars and some change next slide.

S

Our first request is for fifty five thousand dollars for some office structure and redesign. We have a culture of collaboration and ensuring that all of our city attorneys advise the city as a whole and aren't siled into the Departments or divisions they represent, and part of that is requiring those attorneys to be in the office and collaborate with each other. And on the fifth floor you, you may be surprised to know that we don't have a sink or running water other than the bathrooms and the drinking fountain.

S

And so these this budget request is for us to have a break room and to also have some paint in our offices so that when we invite people from the outside or other professionals that they don't see our cracked walls. So thank you very much for supporting all of our professionals with that request. I'm, not sure what happened in my slideshow.

S

I know and maybe an ice.

S

Questions I can I could take you up there.

N

I thought attorneys didn't need any of that, but you know that um especially government attorneys.

S

No, we don't usually.

N

But um so the the question is: uh is there related? Was the crack wall related to the earthquake, and is that is that part of the process of being repair now.

S

We have been informed that the the cracks in the wall, while they might be related to the earthquake, are not included in the insurance estimate, and so this extra painting is actually for all of our offices, but definitely for the cracks. So thank you for your your question. Thank.

N

You for explaining about that so.

S

We can go to the second insight. Oh one thing I wanted to tell you: is the break room has been tentatively approved by the historic building commission, and so with your support, we will be able to move forward with this.

S

This is for inflationary and additional costs related to all of our contracts that we we execute for Citywide services and also transparency next slide.

S

um Our our final request is for a new FTE a week.

E

One more slide next.

S

Slide, please I'll just keep talking while we go to the next slide, it's for a new FTE, which would be a special projects assistant who would sit in the recorder's office and would serve both the attorneys and the recorders and would be a technical expert to help with Grandma e-discovery other technology and would really support the city as a whole, especially with expanding Grandma requests and would be focused also on both branches and any grammar or technology or records needs that the elected officials might have. So that's it.

S

For my budget presentation, you didn't seem the last Insight slide, but I can answer any questions and then I also would love to give a brief introduction of the relationship between the District Attorney's office and the city prosecutors council.

E

Members before we move over to prosecutors, any questions on those items.

A

I feel like you should get water thanks.

S

That just maybe ice too I, don't know what it is.

A

S

Thank you. Okay.

S

So before um Sim and Ralph come up and and Paul come up to present on the prosecutor's budget, I thought it would be helpful to give you an overview of the relationship between the District Attorney's office and the city prosecutor's office in 2015, and then again with some amendments in 2018, the city and the District Attorney's Office executed an agreement in which the city prosecutors, which are city employees, would be managed by the District Attorney's office, and the district attorney would be deputized as the city prosecutor to manage all of that that those Legal Services those individuals remain as city employees, but they work in the district, attorney's office and they're managed by the district attorney.

S

The city pays a management fee, an operating fee and a lease fee for these employees, and then they also, we also pay them salary and benefits just like any other city employees.

S

um As a final note, I know Sylvia mentioned, and you all have heard from Jen Bruno in unresolved issues that there is additional discussion about the increased salary requests from the District Attorney's office for the city, prosecutors and I want to just say at the outset that, as the department director, even though I am not the city prosecutor and don't don't manage that, that group specifically I, will always support and advocate for employees being paid at market value and I wanted to be sure that the council knows that whatever you all decide in terms of that salary request, I will support.

S

E

Thank you, Katie Sim and team.

E

Other questions as we transition okay.

A

It's the pride festival, maybe it's.

W

Getting started.

W

A

A

All right, Hi, Sam, Hi.

W

How are you first of all, thank you so much for the opportunity to come and share some thoughts with you. I want to thank first before we begin the mayor and Katie is the City attorney for supporting the proposal.

W

Some of the changes that we are requesting and having their support is critical, um where our issues aren't very long, but just as a couple of things as Katie mentioned, that it's been a great, fruitful relationship with our office, and it is something that we make no distinction between City prosecutors and the district attorneys in terms of office training. There are great partnership that gives us both proximity and economies of scale in terms of training and filing of charges, and it's been a wonderful partnership, something that we've been very very proud of.

W

um So if we go to the first page on a presentation, okay, so uh currently, uh as the as Katie mentioned, Miss Lewis mentioned that we're here as a part of a inner local agreement uh from a attorney perspective, there's currently 16 uh prosecutors that are there. The identified base amount of three million dollars, uh 3.1 million dollars uh from without any additions.

W

One of the challenges that we have is that we and it breaks down to two uh first uh assistant, City prosecutors and through your current pending cities, prosecutors, five associate City prosecutors, and that should actually be six open prosecutors, because one attorney has been on military leave um and so we've had a vacancy rate of approximately 31 percent.

W

Where we are is that we have all together, eight attorneys out of the 16 in our office, that's how depleted we are and of those eight attorneys. Two are on paternity leave, so we're actually down to a six line prosecutors, and we can talk a little bit about some of the conditions that have driven us to that point. The next slide, please.

W

So what our priorities going into this year are just two fundamental things: one is salary parity within the prosecution community and then the second, a FTE request for the Miami model prosecutor, and let me take just a couple of seconds to address both of them.

W

The coming out of covid, our terrain for attorneys, used to be fundamentally different than covet happen and subsequent to covid, as we come out of it. This paucity of prosecutors and access to talented, illegal Talent has not only impacted our community Salt Lake City Salt Lake County, it's impacted the state, it has impacted my colleagues from around the country, I'm part of several organizations at the national level and the access to prosecution.

W

The resources has been impacting everyone, whether you go to Maricopa County, whether you go to Denver, whether you go to Florida, that coming out of covet impacted that now a couple of things happen subsequent to that as well. If you look at some of the data for the last 12 years, there was actually a reduction in the number of admissions that were going into law school. So there was a number of people who were coming out of law.

W

School had been depleting post, covert adjustment and certain industries that thrived started to address that paucity by basically from the top down the cannibalizing those assets, if you will in the public sector that impact has been felt profoundly as well.

W

Currently, for example, we are trying to find parity even at the DA's office, where almost 16 prosecutors now at this at the DA's office, separate from the concerns that we have, for example, at the city. One of the other responses from the market was that there has been a huge fluctuation, so people came back from covet. Some chose not to come back different private sector Markets started to absorb them and we saw a salary, Marketplace fluctuation that occurred here in the state of Utah.

W

We were struggling with that at the DA's office to find that parody and we've been working with our Council on that that parody issue and Market fluctuation, was it created a competitive environment from County to County, from a municipality to municipality uh being exasperated until the last legislative session. When the Attorney General's office all got almost a 34 salary adjustment that was made that again impacted the pre-existing Market issue and compounded the matter uh even worse.

W

The urgency of that matter was so great that we actually went back to our Council and they responded by adjusting the base salary. So what does that impact? That impact is in the state of Utah right now, if you are coming out of law school, zero years of experience. The market entry point is a hundred and twelve thousand three hundred and sixty dollars at this at the AG's office.

W

We have met that at the Salt Lake County office and the other Counties have responded similarly to address Market situation so that what does that mean for us at the city prosecutor's office, that currently at the city prosecutor's office entry is at 82 000, there's a thirty thousand dollar deficit in the entry uh level at the at the city prosecutor's office.

W

So you can understand from a market analysis that if you are going to get a job at somewhere else, making 112 or 114 000 a year, you know coming out of law school you're not going to want to apply for work, we're even going to make eighty two thousand dollars. So that is the that is the market fluctuation that is impacting all of our different offices across the board and and with the Positive, a number of attorneys that we have that exasperates the problem.

W

So hence the request for salary adjustments that has been proposed by the mayor and the the city attorney's office, which we hope you will uh look at and fun for us, because if we do not fund that I will not be able to staff those positions, those attorneys who are there right now we are pleading with them to remain there because they know that they can leave right now and go to the AG's office and make thirty thousand dollars more.

W

If not beyond that point, they know that if they leave the city prosecutor's office, we will certainly hire them at the DA's office at that salary level. So it becomes both an issue of fundamental fairness and our Market competitiveness, but more fundamentally our ability to actually staff fully staff, the people that we need and be competitive to be able to do our job as public prosecutors in the in behalf of Salt Lake City. So so that's the first part of it.

W

The second part, the Miami model prosecutor and that need to move to the next slides, oh I'm, sorry, I, apologize I was just going to mention two slides forward. Actually, okay go ahead.

W

Okay, the Miami model prosecutor is a request that we're making um some of my colleagues who were here probably from many years ago, may remember that at one time we had gotten a Federal grant that helped us create a cat theme model, which was a community action team model, and what that allowed us to do is to take a prosecutor and embed them into our community to be granularly present for those issues, whether there are issues of homelessness or those issues which are of nuisance, those kind of issues and it served really well and when we went to Miami.

W

One of the things that we have been trying to address is our homeless issue, challenge that we have, and we've been in conversation with both judge Landau and from the illegal Defenders, and one of the things that we've recognized is that we need a dedicated court calendar where all these individuals can be moved into, and then we have the continuity of both accountability and follow through with the kind of care that they need. But that needs a dedicated person for that dedicated case lobe.

W

So that is what the purpose of that particular ask is going to be, and and that's why we've requested that, because we think it will actually help us address some of the issues that have been being discussed more broadly and generically.

W

So in essence those are the the the the two fundamental requests that we have but I'm more than happy, and my colleagues and I are more than happy to answer any specific questions that you may have.

E

Sim, council members.

A

We've talked about this one request a little bit already in unresolved issues, um any other questions, while we have Tim Gill here. Yes,.

G

um I'm going to ask your forgiveness because I'm a direct communicator and this budget has given me, fits and more gray hairs than I care to cover on a regular basis. Never.

X

Complain about a gray hair, someone who will take me to you, God.

G

um So I would like to talk about two things number one. The numbers were not provided to the administration in time, I'd like to know where the bottleneck was and why now we're having to make dimes do the work of dollars to get to pay parity, especially when it's always a consideration for this Council and we're having to get blood from stones and then the second thing is I'd like to know what we've done to the culture in your office.

G

We've read many reports and have a lot of anecdotal evidence and I say this to my police people. I say it to every other department when I invest a dollar I want to be sure. My dollar is going to do that work and we know that while pay parity is important, we know among the emerging generation, in particular a sense of mission, acceptance being heard, being responded to and having a job that fulfills them personally is nearly equally as important.

G

We're being told all the time people don't leave jobs, they leave managers culture in the department so that when we do raise pay as much as we can and get blood from these stones that we are not going to continue to have a turnover rate. That is this high.

X

I'll address the first one. My name is Ralph chandness I'm, Sims, Chief Deputy. um The the the difficulty of this was that, like Sam said when the legislature adopted the pay proposal, I frankly have been in government service for a long time and have never seen a pay increase of this size, particularly for attorneys. So we knew the Attorney General had made the request. We were frankly stunned that the legislature actually approved it when they did.

X

The next part of that that was even kind of more surprising was that they actually made it retroactive April 1st. So those were two events that frankly, none of us had seen. None of us that could have anticipated.

X

We did not actually get what the pay plan was and how they were going to distribute the money to their individual attorneys until right at the end of March. So it was kind of too late for to get in the normal budget process. So we certainly wish that had enough happened and we're certainly very appreciative of the mayor and the marriage Administration for even putting this on, because it is such an emergent and kind of an unexpected way of handling with it. We first heard it my first first thought was great. This will all happen.

X

July 1, you know in the normal course when the state's fiscal budget fiscal year runs. We were stunned that that included, you know not only the cost of living, the five percent that the the Statewide employees got, but also this additional money, and we had to wait to see how it was actually distributed before we could even send it on to the city or our Council to even have an idea, because clearly you don't want to overshoot if they're paying like they could have put that money in a different way.

X

They waited their money heavily at the entry level and kind of at the beginning of the career. For for individuals, which I think is smart. Given, like sim said, the supply of lawyers has dramatically changed in the last 10 years, where people are not going to law school. The number of lawyers has diminished. The number of of people who do not have jobs coming out of law school is basically zero. So it's difficult as Government to to make those promises.

X

When we don't know Staffing, we don't know salaries, there's a whole variety of reasons why that makes it harder for us to compete in the market. So the short answer is. We certainly wish we weren't here. We certainly wish we weren't on the supplemental part. We wish we had known and had been able to provide that so that it could have been kind of the competition for every other budgetary item. Those are the facts of how it came about. So please know this was not. We didn't hold anything back. I I joked a minute.

X

I I found out the actual pay structure. I texted this to you know to Deb Alexander into Katie, Lewis and I was on my 25th anniversary trip to Hawaii, with my wife on the beach saying. Oh, my goodness, we've just got this. What are we going to do um so? Please know, that's that's the short answer. The first part is, we didn't really know until we got that information and the assistant we've been working really hard to try to figure out what are the things we can do because I agree completely.

X

The next part I'll, let Cinema Paul answer that I can tell you, people don't leave jobs because solely because of pay, but if you're a brand new lawyer coming out in this type of market- and you recognize you can make twenty thirty thousand dollars more somewhere else.

X

I have a difficult time, believing that we can create those other things would make someone not think I will take those things as opposed to paying off my student loans for law, school and or a market in a you know, a house in this housing market as well so I hope. That explains the first part. Thank.

W

You and I would just add to that. It was not only as these developments happen, which we were trying to Monitor and anticipate, but the net effect of that was existentially.

W

Urgent I also interact with the County Council and one of the things that they don't want to. We have year-end budgets. One of the things that they never would like to do is to do a mid-year or pre-mid year budget adjustment.

W

uh As a result of this emergent existential issue, they ended up uh unanimously, supporting uh in total, um almost six million dollars. Five point something: nine million dollars adjustments, so we could do both. We could make the adjustments and LDA legal defenders could make adjustments as well, and that is unprecedented, but they saw that not doing so would create such a structural deficit that the institution could not survive. I.

G

Think that's. My frustration is that this is a high priority, as is everything else, and our constituents are already going to pay more for water this year they are going to pay more for their sanitation. This year we are bleeding people dry, and so it is frustrating to have to go back and try to find a couple hundred thousand here and there when it feels like we have a gun to our head, because this is a necessary service. Absolutely.

W

Completely so as to the second question about, if I understand it in terms of quality of life and culture in the office, I am very proud of our culture, and we have taken a multi-pronged approach to address that issue. And- and you don't have to just take my word for it- we worked in a collaborative partnership with the Yale law school. Actually, we petitioned to have them come and we were selected out of a national search with the Yale law school and they came in for 18 months into our office, and we were trying to.

W

It was critical to us not only to go out and do our objective work, but also if we do not have the internal culture. That coincides with the idea of justice and fairness, and how do we internalize those procedurally and operationally, and that's that was their 18 months of work that they did, because it was important for us not for only the attorneys who were there.

W

But how do we cultivate and nurture that for the next generation of attorneys who come in there and the work that they've done and the work that our leadership has done in partnership with that continues to evolve and change our culture? The other part of that is that, internally, from our from a professional development perspective, we at the Salt Lake County DA's office because of our training facility. We provide more opportunities for professional development in-house than almost any other organization in the state of Utah.

W

We will probably do in excess of 30 to between 30 to 40 cles in-house, so that has been a huge Boon for people in terms of wanting to stay and have that be developed. The other thing that we've done where the city gets the benefit as we and it's selfish for me, because I get the benefit of it at the D as the Salt Lake County D.A as well and I. Take both our responsibilities very seriously.

W

We made about three years ago a very conscious, deliberate decision to change the model of how attorneys come into our organization, how they're acculturated into our organization. So we do it's a four-year investment. We start with 1l 2l3l lawyers in there and then post graduation, and we have started to build that relationship of investment of time into into their professional development, with an eye towards that they will be hired by the Salt Lake City prosecutor's office.

W

As on that on that, and then we expect them to work a year to two years at the city prosecutor's office before they can eventually be moved into the District Attorney's office. So that's the model that we've created created so has that model given us any benefit? Yes, as I'm sitting here today, as of right now, I have 29 interns, 29 attorney future attorneys, who are in our office at different level of professional development, so that is helping us change the culture.

W

The other thing that we've tried to do is we've tried to balance life work balance one of the advantages that we have with this partnership as well as for all the attorneys there. We have an on on-site in-house daycare center, which is unheard of because we know that this young attorneys were coming or starting families. That makes a difference. We have an on-site fitness facility.

W

We do what we call Open Mic nights because we're bringing families in once and once every two or two months where people perform and we bring and welcome all the families of our people support staff. Our attorneys, because we want to have that work-life balance. We on site, to have classes about yoga and meditation to give different experiences to all our folks and then within the diversity of the work that we do in terms of Cutting, Edge stuff that we're doing, which is for this next Generation. Very important.

W

We're the first office that created a conviction Integrity unit in our office, which is very important to people in terms of justice and fairness, the pre-filing diversion programs and the alternatives to prosecution models that we have has been a huge Boon for the for this next Generation. That is completely invested in the idea of justice and fairness, and so all of these different things that we're doing are continuing to evolve and create a very rich and diverse culture. That people want to be a part of.

G

Do any feedback gathering on those initiatives to make sure that they're meaningful they all sound? Wonderful to me, I have never been an attorney so I'm very outside looking and do we do any feedback Gathering to make sure that we're investing our time and energies and things that are significant to the people who work there.

Q

To answer that question, and formally we do, we haven't done any recent Anonymous surveys, which are a good idea and we, we probably will be doing those soon but informally, what we definitely seek. Feedback. Sorry, Paul, Fuller, I'm, the division, administrator I'm responsible for I work with Scott and Paige. Managing the city is one of my responsibilities. I want to add to two things that sim said because I think it also answers your first question towards culture, environment and feeling fulfilled. There's a couple: structural things that we've done this year too.

Q

That I think has had a great effect on the city. The city used to be on our second floor and kind of apart from the rest of the County District Attorneys. We intentionally changed that this year we moved them up to the first floor. Fourth, floor, they're now co-located with our Major Crimes unit, which is another responsibility of mine. These are felony attorneys that do everything outside of our specialty teams.

Q

We did that intentionally so that they're on the same floor and working closely together on projects and cases sometimes being able to to crosstalk and stuff like that. That has had a positive effect and I think directly affects what what your your concern is in addition to that, one other thing that we've done structurally is we've changed the way we prosecute a little bit.

Q

We have a little bit more of a vertical prosecution within the office now, where the prosecutors are signed to judges, instead of maybe being a more random assignments a week to week month to month, and that is allowing them to stick with their cases and their victims I think it's serving not only them and their happiness and fulfillment in their job, but also the community. Well, so I wanted to give a couple more examples.

X

I just want a couple of things to the. um If you haven't been to our building, we would love to show you the building. I. Think I think Katie mentioned that the dinner local was renegotiated. That that was coincided was when we moved into the new building the city. Again, the city prospers. Unless you knew they were City prosecutors, you would not know they were different than employees of of the District Attorney's Office. All of our offices are the same. All the amenities are the same.

X

Like Paul said we make and sim said, the training is the same. We make all the the every the computers no difference between them, except for right now, the you know the pay and benefits are controlled by the city council, but I would encourage you, we'd love to have you come because it's a great building yeah, it's a great building, we're proud of it. uh Sim designed it with some real real policy decisions on transparency.

X

If you come in you'll notice that at the front of every office's clear glass, we don't you know, because if the taxpayers are paying us to work, they ought to be able to walk by and see what we're working but we'd love to give you a tour love to show you, the daycare, the the city does, because it's a county benefit in interlocal. We did agree that the city employees have the same amenity. The city does subsidize that for anyone who actually participates in that benefit, but it's a great it's.

X

The best part of my day is when all those kids walk around the bring them for a walk around the office. That's the best part of the day, so just we'd love to have you come see. You anytime.

A

Thank you for the invitation, yeah, okay, so I wanted to clarify the numbers, and maybe Jennifer Bruno can help us or Sylvia I'm, seeing in this list, 322 I'm also seeing a figure of 340 and a number of 214.. Are these clarified figures and what do each mean and and all of those are in addition to the already proposed 200 000 increase? Is that correct? Okay.

C

So they are um I think they are all in addition to the proposed budget, which includes two hundred thousand dollars, um they are not in the proposed budget. Yet so any number that's added would be the council's decision.

A

340 would be to fully fund them to the market adjustments which would match the the county District Attorney's Office attorneys, as well as the Attorney General's office. What is the 322 000 number so.

C

I think the difference between the 322 000 and the 340 000 is two employees that were not originally included in that salary adjustment.

A

Okay, so 340 is the correct number.

C

I think 340 is I I.

X

Don't think that included for two personal systems.

T

The 340 is the correct number, the full number and.

A

Then the 14 is if we were to raise them to 95 percent of the market, but not quite a hundred percent.

C

But it doesn't include those two employees as well I'm, worried about two.

C

So I think that yeah we would have to do more work to figure that out.

F

A

Q

I'm sorry I'm, not a numbers guy, but I was I thought it was 322 on top of the 200.. The original numbers that were run I know that I saw some by David Salazar. It was around 540 to me so I think it's 322. On top of the two yeah.

C

Yeah, that's what we said. So that's what we said in the beginning, yeah, the 200 is an addition to the 322., but the difference is that that that there's a 322 figure and a 340 figure, and that is two employees that weren't originally that.

A

Need to be factored in, are they a different class of.

C

Them I think yeah I think we're coming to the understanding that they probably should be factored in and probably yeah. So.

A

322 is just no longer it. That's an old number 340 is the updated number.

G

What do we need to do to make sure that we're dealing with the right numbers if we're still adding employees at this late date, I'm really nervous? We need to be well past the we have two more people point in this.

T

There they were um I, think included originally and then we've had several machinations, so I don't know where the mistake was made, but we're pretty confident. Aren't we Jennifer about the three we're.

G

Exceeding the 90 threshold of certainty here.

C

I I I can't say that I'm sorry, okay,.

T

Well, it's the best guess we have yeah, it's.

C

Better than zero.

F

And we have to realize this is for 16 or 18 ftes and right now we have we're staffed at eight with two on uh paternal leave. So uh they're not going to get there in this first year, unless a miracle happens that we can hire up to 60, more or eight more attorneys in the next uh two to four.

C

F

So the question I have is on on that whole Staffing side of the house is I mean this should have a serious impact on our case turn right and our uh and our ability to actually prosecute and uh go to court.

W

Yes, you're, right and and I think you're, making a a very uh astute observation.

W

This allows the bleeding to stop and puts us in the best position to hire in a competitive market without losing those assets that we have already put in the queue. But if we don't address this issue, we are going to lose even The Limited assets that we have, because why would anybody financially stay when they can walk across the town and pick up thirty thousand dollars more okay,.

N

Alejandro, thank you, uh Sam for being here, Ralph and and I forgot, your name I. uh So obviously it's a is about money.

N

uh Ultimately, it is about finding the resources, but you know we've been talking about this uh for weeks now uh to try to make sure that we find parity not only between the attorneys within your office, but with the LDA and, as you probably know, it is very important to us to make sure that we we raise those two uh equally or at least that's that's the question we have or trying to answer that as far as money and I wanted to make sure that you knew that from us directly or at least from me directly.

N

That's what I stand. Obviously, if we have an unlimited amount of money, ideally we match everything to the county level, which is a state level and everybody is happy, but it seems like the reality is not there right now as far as resources. But it is my commitment uh to to your attorney's uh to to do a whatever I can to raise that, but also to make sure that the LDA attorneys are matched to the same level, and that is something that I feel very strongly about.

N

As you probably know, I did work for the LDA back in the day. So thank you for being here. I just wanted to give you that, because I.

X

Mean I I hope that no one ever thinks that we would do nothing but fully support LDA attorneys, because the the system works only works if both the defendant and the state have adequate resources. So our office has done nothing but believe that LDA needs their as the resource need. I would also just one other caveat to that is I.

X

Don't want people to just automatically think you have to double this number to get to LDA, because in Justice Court, obviously, while the city prosecutors handle every prosecution, LDA does not handle every defense, their private attorneys. Who take that as well. So there's a a cut back on that, so it's not exactly double just make sure everybody keeps that in the back of their mind, all.

A

Right I think we we're probably going to bring this back up again in the next item, which is unresolved issues when we talk about the whole, all of the things that are not yet in the budget and may need to be. Are there any other questions, though, about what this means? First, councilmember Wharton.

U

Yeah sorry I was trying to look at the sheet here, but um did you already say what what you would do if we were only able to do 95 at Market.

W

It's not a question of what I would do. The question is: what would the attorneys, who are there, who are going to be able to go somewhere else, so it does put us at a disadvantage. I think we just need. My job is to come and share with you what the reality is and and so right now we've had those attorneys. We've asked them to stay there because we said hey, we don't know what the council is doing.

W

It's the process is going forward and and then so I do worry about the ability to staff those positions and that's my concern. That's what I'm sharing with you and.

U

What's with the unfilled positions that you have right now, um how have you been addressing that so.

W

The way we're trying to do is that, of course, obviously the salary trueing of the salary was critical. So now we are competitive. The second part of it is to fill those positions with this. Why we invested that made that four-year model I for the first time, I've never had as many interns and as many people interested in coming to to be work working at the at the city prosecutor's office and at the DA's office.

W

So we are doing everything we can both in terms of going outside and recruiting, as well as they're, making the long-term investment in from one else all the way up to post 4L. Now, I'll share one story with you. For example, we had a person who were very supportive of he is getting ready to take his bar exam. We've kept them hired as a clerk, while he's getting ready to take his bar exam he's from Las Vegas.

W

He brings the level of a wide experience and diversity uh and after having made these multiple year, Investments he's thinking about going to the D to the Attorney General's office and I. Can't honestly stop him because he's going to make thirty thousand dollars more and but he was in line to be hired at the city prosecutor's office. So are there other people who we had cultivated to be hired at the city prosecutor's office who are not going to apply at the city prosecutor's office? Yes, that's just the reality that we have to acknowledge.

W

So that's where we find I mean our.

X

Hope is that, because of the increase in number of of law clerks and interns that we've had that we have kind of been making them conditional, you know we can't make them an offer until they actually remember the bar and are qualified through the city process. But we've told them assuming you pass the bar. Assuming you go through the process. We will. We will have you a position at the city, attorney's office and last year we got.

W

We had our eight.

X

So we I mean we are bringing that's one of the things that the county is committing to to try to bring them in to the city prosecutor's office by bringing them early, letting them have the experience. Let them understand the culture of the office.

X

Let them understand you know the the advantages of working at the city and then potentially working for our office, but again I I, don't know how we do that if someone's again- and please remember- we are only talking about being competitive with the Attorney General's office in our office- we're not even remotely talking about what the private sector is paying now and what the market has done to the private sector, which is blows all of this remotely. Our.

G

X

Engineers will, if we remotely came.

F

Close to the private.

X

Sector we would be, we would all have a very different, a different number and.

U

Sorry, just what I'm trying to get at is that we added I, don't remember if it was last year the year before, but we added either one or two prosecutors um and but if you've been able to work through having as many vacancies as you have um you know, is it possible that we increase for um you know to fill, but we don't fill all the vacancies.

U

Can you continue to carry that you've been carrying that workload.

W

Yeah, well that I think that's being very young. That's.

U

Not ideal I don't want that either yeah, but I.

W

I, don't make the money appear, no, no I I completely get it and I think I think what everybody is sharing here is the difficulty of where we are and I completely appreciate.

W

The position that you find yourself in the goal here is to have a very open, honest, transparent conversation, so we all own the decisions that we make, and that is the reality, and sometimes you have to make some hard decisions and then the best decisions that are available to to all of us myself included and yourself included in that um and so I'm sharing with you. What we think.

A

That was an important question, though, um what the councilman reward and I think it's. We understand that there's a competition in the market and and if you can make a certain amount, more you're gonna choose that over the city prosecutor's office.

A

But the question is: if we're not able to find the all of the money to do that, and we can let's say, for instance, we could go to 95 of the market for all of your 16 positions or we could go to 100 of the market, but only do 14 positions which would be preferred so.

W

So, okay, okay, yeah, because I think I think that, and as long as as long as there is a commitment to say that I hope that I find myself where all those positions are filled and then I can come to you and say: hey I got two more positions: I need to fill, but I can't fill them because I need an extra forty thousand dollars or whatever I would love to be in that position.

W

So to answer your question: I need parity to actually be able to fill the position, so I would prefer the 14 and if and if you say, look Sim. We need to get through the next six months or next to a nine months or whatever so long, we'll leave the door open when, when you need to come back, if you need to fill those whatever, then that's I think that's it. That's a good!

W

That's a good solution, because then the ones that I'm hiring I'm hiring at the competitive level and I need that if I don't have that, I can't even fill the the 10 positions.

U

Right yeah, thank you, I think thank.

A

X

Because I I think you hit on a very important point: I mean like Sam said we currently have you know eight prosecutors and we have two on out on on maternity, um uh and you know we have six people doing the work of what should be 14. and it's kind of back to the point you make is at some point: you don't have work-life balance, you're so overworked you're so overwhelmed.

X

It may not matter how much money you give you give them if they recognize that they're incapable of actually doing the work and so we're trying to say at least we can. It would be a huge morale morale boost at least say this is what's happening. We're going to continue to work and continue to vigorously recruit, continue to virtually develop people to come in and help with that workload, because it's just at some point. It's not sustainable and that's the difficulty for these brand new lawyers that are overwhelmed I.

A

Think that gives us the information we need to to deliberate this, but thank you for answering that question. Thank you. um Any last thought, sir, is seeing none. Okay, thank you for being.

I

Here, thank you for helping us.

A

Work through that those questions, we're gonna go to a break. Let's take 20 minutes, it is 3 20. So we'll come back at 3 40. from break.

G

Damn we're a minute early, we're.

A

A minute early, this is like the this is like Platinum Diamond Stars yeah on our forehead.

U

Wait dan: what was your rank when you retired man, we I think we should, when you remind me of the time I'll, be like yes ma'am, yes,.

A

E

A

So we have a very large list of unresolved issues. I think what we'd like to what I'd like to do is have Jennifer go through the housing related items, because it sounds like those may be able to be funded outside of the general fund, um we're still waiting on Final in New, Growth numbers and some other numbers as well, or that's really the one we're waiting, that's really the main one, so that could drastically change what what we are able to and not able to fund.

A

So, let's start with the ones that we don't have to wait for. Those numbers on which is housing. Is that all right with everyone? Okay and.

C

I said just an email to you guys um yesterday last night, last night, um but I'll just kind of go over just the basics. So all of this I'll just preface this by saying all of this is possible because of um the administration's willingness to engage with both Community neighborhoods and RDA, to think about ways to proactively fund these items.

C

um It's unusual and not required for the administration to do that, and it's been very helpful and I think it's a mutual beneficial thing, because I think those are projects that are in line with their goals, and then they have proposals for other funds that you know they didn't want to necessarily upset, and so this is a way to think strategically about how all of the proposals can be funded.

C

The the kind of root of the ability to fund all of these is thinking about which funds were flexible and which funds had more strings and kind of starting from that point figuring out which items needed those flexible funds so like which ideas fit neatly into one of the categories that had a bunch of strings and which of the projects did not fit neatly into categories that had a lot of strings, and the conclusion they came to is that the funding that had been proposed in the mayor's budget for the nofa, the notice of funding availability, that sort of General once a year call for ideas was actually the most flexible funding, because ultimately, it was funded with general fund dollars.

C

Now the council and the mayor wouldn't want to just not fund the nofa. So then the next question became how can how else can the nofa be funded? And what can realized is that there were quite a bit of dollars in their dormant HUD funds. These are those funds that we talked about last budget year that we're sitting in accounts, and they have a few million in those accounts that actually have to be spent so sort of like a Time clock on them. Hud is requiring us to spend them by I.

C

Think it's the next calendar year on Housing Development, and so what the administration realized is that it would actually be advantageous to use those funds for the nofa instead of the general fund dollars just for this one fiscal year, so that we could comply with Hud's requirement that we spend those monies on Housing Development and then also it frees up the flexible dollars that were originally proposed in the mayor's budget. To go to the nofa and.

A

That's about three million that we can supplant.

C

It was about 4.7 million.

A

C

Yeah and so and and I wouldn't use the word supplant necessarily, but um you know just I think aligning dollars with allowable uses.

C

Let's use that one yeah re-categorize so with that in in mind I, maybe I'll start with the council proposal that actually did fit well with some of the dormant HUD funds was the Loan program for naturally occurring affordable housing. So what um and the chart in the staff report says, recommended funding source, but it really should just say like staff level recommendation. Obviously this is subject to your guys's discussion, but I think to your point earlier. This is all these are all non-general fund dollars. These are all fun funds that are elsewhere can.

N

You remind me how much of those dormant funds we're talking about so.

C

There's about 12 million in the current budget and it has grown because they're earning interest on some of the programs to about 14 million. Quite a few of those funds have uh very long strings. They relate to Federal, tracking and Reporting, and things like that. The administration is transmitting I.

C

Think they're planning on transmitting today a proposal with how to spend all of that money, and this is included in that so I think they appreciated having your guys's list of what you um hoped and desired for housing, because it allowed them to kind of take stock of what could fit in those dormant questions when.

N

You say this is you're talking about 23. Are you talking about several several so.

C

The council actually uh recognized the money in the fiscal year, 23 budget, so it's sitting there as unallocated money, but the reason it's unallocated is because of all the strings and requirements that are needed to actually get the money released. So um The Proposal is to uh budget include this loan program for naturally occurring affordable housing in the fiscal year 24 budget, because there is money sitting there that are, that is eligible to be used for this project. It.

A

Doesn't have to come from the 24, but the general fund right, because it's coming from the money that we recognized last year right for money. Yes,.

C

So in your sort of tracking sheet, you could say that it's checked off right, like it's funded, but it's not funded with your general fund balancing number right that.

A

Number housing and that's one million dollars as sort of a initial amount right, um I I, think that's sick I would like to support that. Okay.

N

Yeah I do like to support as well I think it's a big deal council member valdemars, bringing this up I I- do have a concern about this is a new program um how we're going to implement a new program, because not again not that this is a good idea. This is a great idea, but since the money is uh it has deadlines. uh My question is: could it be the money we use, maybe on some order of these ideas and something that we can Implement faster.

C

So this um this section of the dormant HUD funds does not have those funding deadlines so fantastic and So within the proposal, and we just got a message from canned that they did send that transmittal over today. So the the section of funds that they that do have deadlines are proposed to be transferred to the RDA for the nofa, and so they will get spent within the year and that's why the nofa is a good option for those funds, because it gets the funds out right away. That.

N

Sounds the answer to the question? Thank you, but.

F

I want to kind of piggyback on the question because it does take staff to in a program you gotta like. What's what's, what's the repair limit, how do we choose programs and is RDA? Whoever is going to administer.

C

And is going to administer this one right.

F

This can have this current staff to administer this program uh and I would say probably the the next one well I think we.

C

Can follow up with staff on that.

H

Sorry, but when I met with the mayor and staff, they said that this was one of the ones that they could easily Implement because they already do their home I get this I understand right. They already do home repair uh similar to this, so they're going to mimic that. But this is the difference between just a home repair.

H

Is that now there is a hook so yeah, we'll loan you the money as long as you keep it affordable for 15 years or whatever it is the loan length, and also that we get first right of refusal if at some point they want to sell before this is paid off or at the time it's paid off. Then the city picks that or that has a chance to pick up that property for our community Land Trust.

C

And what we would typically do with a new, what we would typically do with the new program is: ask the administration to come back with the details, once they've figured out all those details, and so we could just clarify that in the adoption documents that you know, you're allocating this money with this policy goal and the administration will return with a proposal thanks.

G

Anna, are we convinced that one million is the right number for a pilot program, I'm.

H

Convinced I mean I I said you know I I'm thinking. If we can do 50 000, oh I, don't I'm, not gonna. Tell that many surgeon exactly what.

G

Would you envision when you propose this.

H

G

On average for houses yeah, maybe.

H

For a roof- and maybe here the architect can can tell us how what those costs are.

A

But I'm not sure a fifty thousand dollar loan, maybe a zero interest. Loan.

E

Or is it two thousand dollars.

A

Would be enough of a carrot, um but with everyone in with the I said, uh appraised values having gone up so high.

A

Everyone has access to so much potential home equity line of credit that I'm I'm not sure that I'm not sure that would or would not result in people saying yeah I'd rather take this fifty thousand dollars because as a lower interest rate and agree to put caps on my deed restrictions on my property, I I, don't know if that's a big enough carrot but I think a million dollars is a good amount of money to put in the budget to ask canned staff to figure out what the size of the carrot needs to be. Also.

G

Then, are we considering alternative credit ratings? Are we are we attempting to target the people who might not qualify for traditional home equity loans because of traditional credit scores, or things like this well.

H

I'm, not I, don't have those details, but for sure it wasn't my intention for somebody that could acquire or or has you know anything level this high but I'm thinking if I look at my district I know a lot of older folks or maybe are in fixed incomes could potentially use that money to fix their home, and um you know, and and maybe they rent part of it or whatever and stay there or you know or be able for.

G

The function is a homelessness prevention element. Keep the people who are most at risk of losing homes, probably have credit impaired by medical bills that are outstanding things that are keeping a traditional credit score low. But you know I know, there's a lot of work being done right now in the private sector, both at Sorensen Impact Center at swazo at a whole bunch of different things that look at. How do we maintain some sense of credit worthiness, a realistic expectation that we can recuperate funds without relying on a traditional? You know, Experian credits.

A

I think we're giving getting a little into.

I

A

Into the weeds, I think the point is: what level do we want to fund the program.

F

N

Chair I think that Jennifer just sent a text to the can and the transmitter recommends 1.2 million dollars for this program. I'm. Okay, supporting that to that level um from that and then and then we can- and we.

A

Can come back and get into those details.

B

Too, thank you, but.

A

The point is supporting people that are housed but need help with the repairs or.

H

Property owners that are renting at an affordable level at affordable, meaning, you know not deeply overall but also not market rate like because maybe it's an older home or whatever um and needs repairs, and that's why it's cheaper.

A

I'm, seeing pretty General support of.

H

C

A

Let's go on to the next one, which is Adu incentives, so.

C

I'm actually going to switch to this.

U

C

um And it's not I, don't have it printed out, but this is what I sent around and I can um forward it to the recorder's office. So sorry about that, um this is just showing how um the pot of money of flexible dollars, uh which was originally funded in the no for the nofa in the mayor's recommended budget, is funding a grouping of projects that, for one reason or another, need a little bit more.

C

Flexibility in the funding source and I can talk through each one and why it needs a little bit more flexibility in the funding source um so but you'll see that the total amount that was originally recommended in the mayor's budget for the nofo was just over four point. Well, just under 4.3 million and the total amount um for uses doesn't quite add up to that. And so maybe the council's discussion could you know balance that out, like maybe increasing funding here or there anyway.

C

The first item is the neighborworks partnership, and originally um the discussion was to fund this from the West Side Community initiative. There are challenges with that, based on the mix of income, Ami Targets in the end product of the project and the West Side Community initiative, because it's funded through the Inland Port has a statutory requirement that at the 80 or below Ami and that's a statutory requirement. So sorry go.

N

Ahead, no sorry I think I should so we already know what never works once the different incomes that the Naval Wars want to work.

C

Yes and I think their idea is a mix and it would be a third 80, Ami or below a third 80 to 120 and a third market rate and I and to their credit, the administration thought. Well. Could you fund a third of it with this or or not, and you could, but ultimately that felt more complicated than you needed to be, especially when you had flexible dollars. Otherwise,.

N

I, it seems complicated and I know I hate, adding complications, but I feel like I would like to at least tap on some of that money uh and and and actually get a a known provider a known uh entity uh not only on the west side but in the city as a whole. So if we can actually hybridize this funding uh from some of this uh more flexible dollars, but also from the I just want to have one good example from that West Side uh money that we're saving and they're saying.

A

Have it's important to you to use Westside, Community initiative, funding for a project that you can stand behind and believe in in this yeah and.

N

Hopefully, and hopefully you know 700.

G

000 essentially for the third that qualifies from the West Side Community initiative and then the remaining 14 1.4 million from these flexible funds.

N

Again and me I'm saying this just because of from a you know a standpoint that I'm coming from and trying to make a case about this. But again, if it's too complex and too too I mean I, think I prefer to do that, but I leave it up to you. You.

C

Can follow up with RDA staff to see if that makes sense, I think that this is one of the projects that, because RDA staff and can have not been engaged with um the partner with neighborworks on a spreadsheet level, um they still needed to engage with neighborworks on a term sheet kind of a standard. You know discussions with the city, and so maybe um that's part of their future discussions, but I think that we could.

C

We could work with the RDA to put like a placeholder in both areas, both the West Side Community initiative and the housing development program to fund that okay.

E

C

And the next item- um sorry, including that the next item is the city-wide Adu incentive program and the reason that, um after further looking, the administration was thinking that those needed more flexible dollars is because we don't know where or what Ami the person who is building the Adu might be. Nor do we know what their Ami might change to once. They have an Adu and might be using it for an income generating property right and so, rather than having to um kind of torture the homeowner with all those Hoops with these flexible dollars.

C

It can be whatever program you want it to be. So that's a million there I.

E

C

Then Gap financing for the switch point project again, not knowing whether it's an uh uh so we knew a little bit. We know a little bit more now, which is that it's not building housing units, but it's expanding services to support that housing and these flexible dollars don't have any requirements about housing units must be built um and then the next item is the sanctioned camping. Grant. That I think we've discussed before and I think. The same reasoning applies of why flexible dollars make sense to use here.

G

I actually would propose that we invert these and do 250 to switch points since it's not for the structure. It's for program, I'm, happy contributing to it, but I'd rather see 500 and for the program that we were describing on the meeting with the administration and.

A

If we program that you're describing this ancient camping.

G

So yeah, so would you like to describe it a little bit for the people who didn't get to be in our meeting yesterday? I really love this concept. I.

N

I mean unfortunately, I- remember, I dropped halfway through my I. Couldn't connect back again to to this, to the call um so I'm, not completely sure I'm caught up on the final thought on this, maybe Cindy. It's.

T

Just it's just I think if you just describe your purpose.

N

My proposal, okay yeah, so the the general uh idea behind this is to create some sort of Grant mechanism within the city for providers. You know whatever size of Provider. You are to be able to access some of this money, all of it or some of it to start a sanction, camping uh in or out the city and those details. I guess we are we're willing to. You know we therefore to discuss, but hopefully they grant us a match Grant.

N

So if you are asking us for twenty thousand dollars, you are able to get twenty thousand dollars from the county or the state uh to match the those those Monies to be able to to start this process um and I just want to make sure that there is not that many barriers. As far as funding to create this other resource for those that are unsheltered and I, think it is the right way to go again. We don't take ownership on this issue. As far as you know, we are not running the camp.

N

We are not in charge of responsible for its success. Obviously we wanted to succeed, but we are just putting something some money aside, that it could be accessed and I'm hoping the administration will come up with. Maybe our input about a mechanism and some ties to how you access this money.

G

Your hope and you're hoping for the private sector to step up through this, so maybe a Church willing to set aside a corner of their property, to put 10 campers on asking the city for some money asking another entity, private or public for money that matches it to then help slowly but surely get some people into places with safety. My only caveat would be anyone who gets it I would, even, though we're not responsible for it. I would like us to have a code of certain things that we expect them to abide by.

G

We did have a tragedy when someone tried to do this out of best intentions and so making sure, like you know, there's some basic information about safety, and you know things that we expect to protect human life, but I love. This activation of letting people in small ways do their part to try to start.

A

Helping you're gonna have to deal with land use issues, though yeah.

N

Again, I always go back to Denver, because this is one of the places that I visited the most but I also see this in Seattle uh when I visited some of their camps in there, but in Denver uh they started in churches um and uh they rotated them and churches.

N

You know signed up for this and they said: okay, we're gonna, have ten tents and they did it through covet uh and they started some tents in their in their in their parking lots and it was their decision to do and they run it and they were successful. It was almost like the pilot program of the safe outdoor spaces that I uh we visited with council, member father and balde moros last time and before with council member uh Petro, okay.

A

I mean I think this Falls a little bit into the same category as it put some money in and figure out exactly the details later, I'm not opposed to switching switch point down to 250 and sanction camping up to 500. If other council members agree to that, I'm.

F

Okay with switching it, but this is one of those- uh the devil is in the details on this stuff and right now, we're looking at a pilot program working with the state and a state funding a lot of things and putting a lot of uh uh guard rails into the program just like we did to the guardrails when we did the Ramada last year the year before.

F

So we need to be very cautious on this, because we could this could actually uh get derailed and we could have some a lot of issues with the smaller campgrounds and throughout the city that we actually have now so I would I want to make sure that we study with this and I'm getting into details, so I mean I. Think.

A

It's I agree with you, councilman I think it's we're putting 500 000 towards the belief that there's something there.

F

Yeah, it's a model.

A

That is better.

F

Than what we have yeah.

G

If they want to take a couple RVs off the street, that would help our district tremendously. The tension. We're balancing is that we are already at late summer levels with issues in our district and we have we're not even zeroing in on the property. Yet for the state solution we need to. We need to incentivize the private sector to do what they do. Okay,.

F

Yes, we we need to be cautious on this one, but I understand I.

U

um Yeah I'm, not uh what I've seen from I I didn't get a chance to go to the Denver um trip and I haven't seen, um but I did see the pictures there and I admit it was impressive. It was um made me more want to hear more about it, but I still have reservations that I brought up with you.

U

I, don't know if we've talked about them yet, um but before I'm ready to vote for this, um even at the the amount that's being proposed, um I really need to know more, and so those of you that feel really strongly that that putting this aside is going to make a difference. I hope we can set aside time to talk because I I'm not there yet I.

E

Appreciate that councilmember Wharton.

N

I agree and I I hope that you know we definitely have more to catch up but I'm. Maybe we hope I'm hoping that with this money we we do the same that we did with with all the program that we are funding, uh that 1.2 million dollars is that we asked the administration to come up with. You know, maybe some gut rails to protect. You know our stance with the state, the county, but also uh you know where those residents within the camps and with the community and how it all fits.

N

So we can plan that question, but we should definitely.

A

Talk what I heard from councilor Warren, though, is that it sounds like you're, more comfortable with the 1.2 for naturally occurring with figuring out the guardrails later and less comfortable with this one before budget is that is that what you were saying: okay and and counselor Dugan's the same.

U

Yes or like another potential scenario that you know, we could talk through I'm, open to hearing like a number of different things, but I I need to be uh I. Need you to help me like finish the magic and I'm, probably somewhere,.

A

In the middle okay, uh from where petro and puer and uh Dugan and Wharton I, I I I feel pretty comfortable with it. But I would love that additional information. But it sounds like we have a couple council members asking. Maybe those conversations.

H

Would it be helpful for you guys to get on an airplane, a hundred dollars round trip to Denver, go check it and then come back like see it for yourselves, because it did help me and- and we leverage with another traveling trip that we had like we weren't that wasn't in our agenda, but we decided I decided to go to actually see it with my own eyes, because I could not I could not understand in my mind how sanction you know safe outdoor space could work.

H

I've always said that I was super hesitant for the longest period of time, but going and seeing it myself showing up unannounced.

U

H

Yeah it was, it was I eye-opening for me. So, and you know round trip to Denver. It could be 100 bucks. You know for a couple hours go play and go check. It out, come back.

A

And it sounds like no one's an absolute. No, so there's just a little bit more conversation needs happened before budget adoption.

G

On these okay, on these things, aren't we essentially voting for placeholders, though, until like, like for the NOAA, we're essentially voting for 1.2 million as a placeholder? Until that.

B

G

Developed, but it's essentially until they come up with the terms and then come back to us, and we say yes, this is what we're envisioning or we need this here. It's it's! That's what we're doing with all this money.

A

Right, the answer is yes, but what I'm hearing is there's two council members that are not yet even comfortable putting the placeholder in and that I'm somewhere in the middle and.

H

I have a question for Jen. You moved stuff around, like you moved the Noah to dormant funds that have more requirements and I thought that how did that change from it was higher in the flexible dollar. No.

C

No, it is a different sheet. Oh okay than the one, we're then the one. That's in your staff report. This is just going through sources and uses, and so the dormant fun, the dormant HUD funds and- and you know it's more requirements than the general fund, but not more requirements than the really strict HUD funds. Okay, all right. It's not higher or lower in priority.

H

It's just sources.

C

And uses okay, but.

H

But but okay, it's always been there in the dormant funds that have requirements.

C

No, this is just as of yesterday, so.

T

So what we're doing we asked the administration if they could. Please help us with.

T

Just we're making the best decisions you can with the right sources if you're matching up the sources and uses in the most efficient way that you can not putting extra strings on anything that can't take strings but putting putting this matching the strings with the needs.

T

um That's that's what they did and they really um worked a long time with Jennifer. They had already worked it through and then they worked somewhere on it with Jennifer. So this is stuff like the type of strings on that are things like needs to relate to housing, okay or.

C

You know so there's like general fund dollars, don't need to be spent on housing.

T

Yeah so simple stuff, so we're pretty comfortable.

C

So this is the seat. You.

T

Were looking at before yeah.

C

There's different ways to show the same information: the.

T

Tricky one is: is the um partnership with um neighbor works, that's the trickiest, but other than that. These are.

A

Right and the neighbor Works partnership is proposed for the most flexible dollars.

C

Right, it's proposed for that those general fund dollars the.

A

Reason I wanted to.

C

Share this version.

C

um Sorry is just to point out that the total does not you don't you're, not spending all that money.

A

C

We still have 440 000 your options with that are use them to balance the general fund because they're general fund dollars. They started as general fund dollars or you could increase the rda's nofa because that's what they were originally proposed for next.

A

Count thanks section Rd has an increase by quite a bit. Yes,.

C

Yes and that's as a result of the um can and RDA collaborating and realizing that that was a really efficient way.

A

Best way to use those dollars and the amount of dollars available for that use is actually six.

C

It's six point: yes, yeah so um or you could add money to any of those projects. Above.

A

I mean I feel pretty comfortable with all the personally all the things that we've talked about so far, so I I would sort of think. Let's use it to balance the general fund personally, but.

H

Okay, but what about the request that council member Pui had on the senior center.

A

That's the last one.

C

That's the last one, so I guess one way to describe it is each box is a different pot of money. Okay, so the pot of money, that's funding the naturally occurring, affordable housing loan program and now the pot of money. That's funding the RDA nofa are these dormant HUD funds and that's the trans medal that we just got today. So two items within the transmittal we got today are using those dollars for the Sunday Anderson Senior Center.

C

There are RDA housing funds that are because it's a housing project and because the income can be restricted appropriate to the project and because it's in a project area it qualifies for multiple RDA housing fund dollars that are already in the budget. So there is one million dollars in the secondary housing fund that was originally proposed for housing, property acquisition and then one one million to 13 000 in the primary housing fund. That was originally proposed to be shared, Equity housing that the board could decide to allocate towards this project.

A

What would that be? Taking away from I realized property acquisition of properties? We still need to be determined.

C

And I don't know, let's see Danny's here and he could jump up and clarify, but in our discussions there wasn't a specific project in mind for that it was just putting money there, because those were both uh priorities: priorities of the board: okay,.

N

Let me uh we still had council member, please. Thank you. I um I I was uh pleased to to hear that the administration uh you know was supportive of this. This this plan uh on on, in general, supportive of some of these funding mechanisms to to get there. So uh it is not only you know these random Council member's idea, but it is more about. It seems like the stars are aligning to make this uh project happen. So just wanted to add that I.

A

Think it's a good idea having housing on that lot. It seems like there's enough space space for housing. It does seem like there's that, like it's an idea worth figuring out, it sort of feels to me like I, guess: I've I've been hired and paid by enough clients that had really good ideas on lots that seem like they're, totally going to make sense, and then you found a situation where it was completely impossible to do something so I'm wondering. Is there a mechanism to say yes, look at this will like earmark this for this project.

A

But if you can't figure out a feasible project proposal in the next six months or a year, then we re like really reroute it reallocate it to the I.

N

Mean it will have General I, think that would I.

C

Think that would matter it would have to be like that it would yeah. My understanding is that, because the county is using our their arpa dollars, it would need to be figured out by we're. Gonna live next year at the earliest or at the latest, and so um RDA funds don't drop to fund balance and.

A

So if you already committed arpa dollars for that site, our.

C

Understanding is they have because I guess the senior center is in need of reconstruction and so they're using arpa dollars to make that happen. So.

N

The context on this, the the county allocated some money. If you leave a six or seven million dollars to remodel the building inside, but ideally it could be something else and if they, in my opinion, if they put that money in remodeling the Insiders of the building, we're stuck with that building for another 20 years. So I'm developing this lot. You know and all the things that so this could be the opportunity. The incentive is there. Okay.

A

So we put it in in let's say we do it, we put it in there, the count the county or whoever County owns the land right. Yes, so the county can figure out what they're proposing to do. Do they come back to us at some point and say Here's, what we're proposing or just like, we put housing, and it was four giant mansions like how do what guardrails do we put on to make sure that the kind of housing that supports the community I'm.

C

Speculating but I think what would happen is the rda's staff would work with County staff to figure out what is needed. My guess, just this basic guess is that 2 million probably would not be enough to put housing, and so that would be the natural Step, at which point they would say, based on preliminary design or based on preliminary conversations about how the county and city will share funding strategy, and maybe the county would put in more based on you know, further um conversations right now.

C

Their their increment contribution to the nine line is quite Limited, based on the original conversations, and so they could put more increment from that property on into it anyway. I think uh it's accurate, maybe to say that the RDA staff would work on that and come back to the board, because this amount probably isn't.

I

H

C

H

Amounts like they already allocated. Seven million dollars like at least they're, contemplating seven million dollars to do something with a property, but maybe not just to rebuild it, but to fix it, but maybe it's like well, let's do new construction, let's do housing, and maybe we can ask the city to contribute a little bit.

E

A

Let me ask a separate question: secondary housing, fund money and primary housing fund money. Do those have deadlines, those do not right. No.

C

But they have requirements about and limitations about where the money can be spent and what Ali, okay.

A

C

A

C

And that's why this project kind of fit.

A

Well, it's good.

C

Because it's in a project area and and.

A

I guess I'm saying like just the number of months that it takes to get a housing project going I.

C

The bigger challenge, honestly, the bigger challenge, is the County's money, not our money. Yes,.

A

I, have a I have a medium level of confidence that something could actually happen before the county has to spend their money on those interior remodels, but I'm, okay, putting some money in there saying trying to figure out something better and if you can't at least we still know, we can use these dollars right. That that makes me more comfortable with.

F

This and I just want to confirm this. All this is not coming out of the general fund right: okay, housing, fun! This.

C

Is money? That's in the already sorry it's in the RDA budget, so.

F

This is all all these funds are coming out of the third column on the housing fund, column, side right on.

C

Their shoes, which is either yeah, which is either the dormant HUD funds or I, should have put in the title. Rda housing.

F

Yeah, it's all the housing funding, not the general fund. Everything we've just talked about is coming out of everything. Besides the general fund yeah, because I I think there was some little confusion back there on the um sanctioned camping and some other things about since you're, flexible they're, coming out of the general fund. Well,.

C

Okay, so if you want to be really technical because I do want to technically yes, okay, to be technical, sorry to be technical, you're right, those are, they originated as general fund dollars. They were but they're funding our future dollars.

C

uh There's a combination of funding, our future dollars and dollars that are in excess of what's needed to fund the North Temple Viaduct, Debt Service and the board had previously had the desire to keep that extra money in the area. That's why the partnership with neighborworks kind of works for that funding, but the other funding the funding are future money, which is 2.6. Ish million was originally general fund dollars that was sent to the RDA for the purpose of the nofa The Proposal would be to keep it in RDA.

C

Just use different purpose use it for a different purpose. Right.

F

Because I'm just trying to make sure that people understand that the general fund and our fund balance isn't being impacted.

C

Yes, fund balance is not part.

F

Of this discussion right, so the fund balance isn't being impacted by these uh fundings requests. That's accurate.

A

Okay, I want to try throwing something out there. Can we pull up that same sheet that you just had yep I would propose a straw poll that we support this sheet with the changes to being the switch point. Gap goes down, Gap Finance goes down 250., it's updated up there yeah. Oh, that's already been switched.

T

A

We hold on the sanctioned camping ground. We can have a more a bigger discussion of that in a separate straw poll um that the, but that the other, the remaining of these we support from the proposed sources that Jennifer just said and I, would propose that those 440 or 940. If we don't do the so.

C

It would actually be more I haven't changed the funding for the West Side Community initiative, so just hold. Oh.

A

Okay, yep, let's hold on.

C

They're from the.

G

West Side, while she's doing that, do we think in good faith, we have time to actually discuss the sanction camping or can we request for a placeholder and then discuss it after budget I? Just if there's, if there's time, I'm fine with it I just don't want to lose the possibility of a good idea.

G

What acknowledging that additional.

A

Clarification I, wanna, I guess my my intention right now is to straw pull everything that I think we have consensus on and then we can propose a additional straw poll for that one item. It was my intention and that could be I.

N

A

I think that there is okay, okay, go ahead, I think we have consensus on everything, but one so I would like to straw pull all of those items first, if that's all right, we might not, but.

E

Okay, so that's 2.1.

A

Million dollars for neighbor Works partnership- oh.

H

A

1.4 million for Neighbors work; partnership from general fund 700 from West Side Community initiative; 100 000 for Adu incentives; one million; thank you for Adu incentives, 254 switch point gap, financing, uh 1.2 million for the nationally acquiring Affordable Loan program, coming from the dormant HUD funds and 6.47 from the dormant HUD funds being used to fund the nofa at a at a rate higher than in the mayor's proposed budget. So that gives 6.476014.

A

A

2.0138204.9 sorry.

C

Can I insert just new information, um just a quick conversation with Danny just now that funding for this project it might make sense to pull it might make sense to pull from this project also from the West Side Community initiative. Maybe.

A

We could, are we saying this project being Sunday Anderson, sorry,.

C

The Sunday Anderson partnership could we maybe broaden it and say RDA housing, sources, okay, and then that way, the straw poll could be whatever technology.

A

I think that's great okay, okay, so the the Sunday Anderson, as noted on the sheet would be would be sourced from RDA housing sources. Whichever is the most appropriate um and then the remaining well I propose that we don't this drop wall does not touch the remaining 1.4. Let's that makes sense. That was sorry that did not go over soon.

H

E

That's a really smart way to do.

A

It yeah and you everything highlighted in yellow, does ever. Does everyone understand that? Yes,.

I

A

Okay, who uh please indicate with your thumb, if you support the things that are highlighted? Okay, so that is six to zero uh supporting those items? Does anyone want to propose a separate straw poll for the remaining.

H

I I want to ask a question to Jen before we propose to anything else so on on the sanctioned camping right. I didn't understand that we were moving 250 to that one to make it 500 000. But if that was the case, I think.

C

That's what uh councilmember Petro proposed.

A

H

A

But I think that that needs.

H

To be true, absolutely yeah, and it's really it's troubled, but but let's say let's say it was 250. We left it as before, and then we have 1.4 million dollars left over the flexible dollars remaining. Would that be with? Can we put that money into the general fund or it stays in somewhat of a housing limbo fund, because I.

C

Think it depends on how you view the how strictly you view the previous intention for both the funding, our future dollars and the North Temple Viaduct funding, because from a purely technical standpoint, there's not a requirement that you spend funding our future dollars on RDA stuff, right, like it's for General housing and so or any of the funding or future categories. So you could technically count that money as general fund dollars, but you have to spend it on a funding. Our future category thing or.

C

Spend funding our future dollars on anything.

C

um It's just that you've made a commitment to the taxpayers that you'll track it the other thing that it depends on how quickly you view your prior policy Direction was that 1.7 million dollars from the North Temple Viaduct Debt Service, there's not a requirement that you spend it in the area or that you spend it on housing. It's just a payment from the RDA to the general fund to pay us back for Debt Service that we covered to rebuild the viaduct. Initially so I guess: I! Guess: I! Guess it's! Yes!

C

Yes, you can put it back in the general fund. You may want it to be directed towards funding our future categories. If you wanted to stay true to those original parts, those.

E

I

1.1.39, that's.

C

That's moving the camping down to 250. is that.

A

um That's from funding our future, which is ongoing. Yes, okay right, so this would.

C

Help well it's also from it. You could I mean it's all mingled together, it's.

A

Also from North Temple or.

C

Temple at one time well, it has been ongoing for several years that there has been more increment there than is needed to fund The Debt Service, so I'm not confident that 1.7 will be available every year, but some amount of money will be available over here.

F

Can just for my clarification? Can we be put fun in our future, just right of that 1.14 they're flexible dollars remain just like hey either you have fun in our future, so we know it's not yeah.

F

That helps me yeah. Sorry,.

A

Legally, it's flexible policy-wise.

C

Policy wise, it may not be right.

A

F

C

And there are quite a few items: um there's a few items on the list that I think, depending on your definition of Public Safety, um might might be eligible for funding our future, like certainly some of the things so or or housing or.

E

Transportation I I guess: council member, do you want to talk more about sanction, camping right now or.

N

That's what I was going to go to I wonder if we should have an opportunity to chat uh to try to answer some of these questions before we. It seems like there is a general understanding of what maybe this is, but the details is what we are getting caught up a little bit and I need to work on a little more of the details again, knowing that I'm hopefully ask the administration to come up with many of these details, but maybe we are going to create some boundaries.

N

um So if that's okay with everybody, can we punch this uh specific question on sanction camping to the next next unresolved.

A

Issues: discussion, yeah.

G

Can I ask this budget season? Can I we're going to do it before we do budget or you want to.

A

I think the proposal is to wait until the next time, like.

G

In a week in a week, okay, sorry.

A

G

I ask the council people who have concerns What specifically. Are you asking for because this feels to me like we're at a similar level as what we're suggesting with the NOAA? And so, if there's specific information that we can be refining or marinating on or working with you to get to a place, I'd like to do that. But it feels like we delegate details to staff all the time.

A

I can answer that for myself, yeah I think um the the Noah feels like totally in line with the things that we already do, which is support. Homeowners, get affordable, housing units, dedicated deed restrictions and I, don't see any land use or Public Safety layers to the discussion where, with the sanctioned camping, I I, think sanction camping.

A

It needs I'm, totally supportive of us having this conversation having it being part of our broad puzzle of solutions, but I think there are those additional layers that I want just some time to think about which are what are the impacts? What public safety issues? What are the land use, laws that need to be overcome in order for a person to even be allowed to do? That?

A

Is this something that lasts permanently or do we do we need to like, for instance, do we need to put in a six-month temporary land use ordinance to allow this to happen, which then naturally allows it to rotate to different places? I I, don't know exactly how that works. I think we can figure it out, but there are just more more questions than there are with the NOAA.

T

Now I could just add a tiny bit if I may, and that is that um yesterday we had a meeting with um three of the council members, council, member Poe, petro and baltimoreos, and the mayor and um I think it worked out really well.

T

She was not opposed to having some sort of incentive, but was interested in participating with the council members in a meeting with Wayne niederhauser with the state so that we keep the state role and the city role and the county role clarified, and that we asked him for more information about what would help him get over the barriers that he's facing and that type of thing so I think we're on the right path to get more information, and we should have more by next week. You have meetings tomorrow.

T

Yes at what time yes, yeah yeah, so.

E

A

Think I'll speak for myself, but I. Think all of us would probably appreciate a recap or information that is Wellness.

G

Helps us this helps us about.

A

That at the next public meeting or whenever well.

G

This helps us go into the discussion, Gathering or solidifying points that would ease your can.

F

I just add on the on the idea that the Denver model really looks good now. The Miami model also looks really good to us and we have a lot of things, but they've been doing it for 20 years. Denver might also have been doing it first. So what is their Lessons Learned on how they got to where they are, because they didn't just show up there and it was magically there. They probably had some iterations.

F

So part of the part of the discussion that we have here is that let's learn from them, so we can leap forward. But let's not think that we can just leap right to their position now, because.

N

Yeah I know and I agree and I acknowledge that and I think. Obviously what we have right now going on with the unsanctioned company is not ideal. uh This is trying to minimize that.

F

Absolutely I agree with there and that's why the discussion with Wayne is so important.

A

A

Let's go to scheduling before people start leaving. Oh, we were supposed to do that already sorry, I forgot.

T

That's okay, um so our meeting that we were having on the 8th is really not going to work based on council member schedules and we're also worried that we won't have the numbers from the state in time. So we wanted to know if there's any chance that you could meet on Monday June 12th sometime in the afternoon anytime after 1 pm, uh the fallback would be June 9th, but we're that one's not as good in terms of getting being sure. We have accurate information from the state, then, while you're thinking about that.

T

The other thing is that, um in order to fill the district 7 vacancy, that will be here in July, we need to add a meeting in July you're meeting. So far are the 11th and 18th the chair, and vice chair we're looking at adding a meeting on the 25th.

T

Oh, hopefully, what we could do is switch the formal business to that meeting, but use the 18th of July to um to fill the vacancy. Thank you and council member Fowler. If we do it on this timing, council member Fowler would not be participating and she recognizes that she she was not asking us to rush in order for her to participate. She recognizes the difficulty in rushing so I'm.

G

I advocated for an earlier appointment, um the 18th seemed earliest, but we're going to be making CIP Decisions by August and I really think it's important to have someone who knows the roads knows the parks knows their District during that discussion to make sure the rest of the money gets allocated with equity.

T

T

Ampm to 9 pm.

A

It does not work for anybody.

U

um I'll be out of town on the 12th, but I'll try to participate remotely.

A

Is the ninth better for you.

U

A

We only have a two hour gap on the night that works for anybody right.

T

Yeah and we can't guarantee we'll, have what we need and we might.

A

Not have the numbers, okay,.

U

Yeah um I'll look at the Times, um but I I think I can participate remotely for at least part of the meeting. I.

A

Would be out of town on the 9th but could participate remotely?

A

My preference would be the 12th.

G

I can do either and.

N

I prefer the 12th nor the 9th okay.

A

Councilman we just gonna get back to us with your availability on the 12th yeah, um all right all.

T

Right and then the 25th.

A

Works for me, okay,.

T

Thank you all thank.

A

You uh Council counselors, you want to end or what everyone's leaving okay, um we just when's our next unresolved.

E

Issues, discussion on.

C

Tuesday, the 6th um there's a couple I think there are one or two more departments left CIP will have an initial discussion on CIP and then the next unresolved issues discussion. Okay, thank you. Thanks.

C