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From YouTube: Salt Lake City Work Session - 02/07/2023
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A
A
Are
we
good?
Okay,
all
right?
Welcome
to
today's
city
council
meeting,
we
continue
to
host
hybrid
meetings
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keep
everyone
healthy
and
safe.
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meetings
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manner
you
feel
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comfortable.
A
This
is
a
work
session
meeting
during
which
there
is
no
public
comment,
but
please
join
us
tonight
during
our
7
PM
formal
meeting
to
share
your
comments.
We,
of
course
always
welcome
your
feedback
Anytime
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us
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A
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is
related
to
an
agenda
topic
is
shared
with
all
council
members
and
posted
on
our
website.
Slccouncil.Com
and
now
we
will
begin
our
work
session
and
our
first
item
as
usual
is
updates
from
the
administration
and
I
understand
that
today
we
have
Lis
Lindsay
Ava
I
have
a
lot
of
people
listed
that
are
not
here
so
I,
don't
know
who's
here
and.
B
B
Just
a
quick
update
on
kovid,
which
is
that
across
the
U.S
cases,
are
down
15
over
the
last
two
weeks,
but
in
Utah
they
are
up
17
in
the
last
two
weeks.
So
on
the
next
slide,
we
continue
to
provide
that
information
on
where
people
are
able
to
get
their
vaccination,
which
should
be
free
to
anyone
who
wants
to
seek
it
out.
B
But
if
you
haven't
done
so
yet
it
might
be
a
good
time
to
check
and
see
if
you
are
eligible
for
a
booster
and
we'll
move
on
to
the
next
slide
and
Ava
is
here
to
talk
about
Community
engagement
thanks.
C
Our
accounts,
our
community
engagement,
highlights,
of
course,
everyone
can
always
leave
feedback
for
us.
If
you
go
to
slc.gov
forward
slash
feedback,
you're
able
to
get
our
engagement
newsletters
as
well
as
regular
updates.
If
we
could
go
to
the
next
slide,
please.
C
We
have
our
updates
from
sustainability.
We've
just
announced
our
resident
food
Equity
advisors
program.
You
can
go
to
slc.gov
forward,
slash
sustainability
forward,
slash
food
hyphen
Equity
hyphen
Grant,
but
if
you
look
this
up
you're
able
to
apply-
and
this
is
a
great
program
to
be
able
to
take
advantage
of
trying
to
combat
food
deserts
here
in
Salt,
Lake
City,
as
well
as
applying
for
our
food
Equity
microgram,
Public
Utilities
update
also,
they
have
the
big
Cottonwood
treatment
plant
rebuilding
they're
in
the
early
stages
of
development.
C
We've
announced
our
monthly
Community
office
hours.
This
is
where
community
members
can
come
and
talk
to
our
community
engagement
team.
So
this
is
our
Outreach
I'm
myself
and
one
of
the
Liaisons
that
you
can
speak
to.
We
have
a
whole
team
of
us
that
will
be
at
these
different
locations
here,
all
throughout
the
month
of
February
we'd
love
to
see
you,
we
also
have
different
Liaisons
that
can
speak
in
different
languages.
We'd
love
to
communicate
with
you.
If
you
have
any
questions
any
ideas
or
concerns,
please
take
advantage
of
this.
C
B
D
Hello
Council,
as
you
can
see,
on
the
slides,
the
Resource
Centers
are
still
operating
at
very
high
percentage
of
occupancy
on
average.
It's
actually
probably
gone
up
slightly
since
a
few
weeks
ago
when
we
talked-
and
you
can
see
the
average
number
of
beds
open
per
night
again
I'll
oftentimes,
what
happens
is
beds
can
be
reserved.
D
Some
of
them
can
be
reserved
for
the
daytime
for
folks
who
plan
on
coming
back
to
a
resource
center,
but
come
that
night
they
may
or
may
not
show
up
so
you'll
see
that
these
numbers
actually
reflect
what
happens
first
thing
in
the
morning
when
they
do
the
final
count
of
that
night,
not
necessarily
the
reservations
and
everything
that
was
included
the
previous
night,
so
again,
very
high
use.
So
far.
D
We
continue
to
talk
to
everybody
about
other
options
and
we've
had
a
few
things
come
up
recently
with
the
County
Rec
Center,
obviously
you're
aware
of
during
the
really
cold
spill
we
had,
and
then
the
second
and
second
Coalition
as
well
has
done
some
things
with
movie
night,
so
we're
still
always
pursuing
other
options
for
everybody.
Next
slide
Andrew.
Yes,.
A
So
at
the
bottom
of
that
side
it
says
it
does
not
include
the
additional
capacity.
So
when
I'm
looking
at
all
these
at
96.95-
yes,
I
mean
we
haven't
even
even
touched
the
additional
capacity
yet
because
we
haven't
even
filled
the
yeah.
D
So
Staffing
issue-
all
of
the
providers
currently
are
short
on
Staffing
I,
think
Mill
Creek
is
probably
the
closest
to
full
Staffing
and
they've
run
about
113
of
the
120
beds
on
average,
so
the
120
is
their
max.
If
you
looked
at
the
gelding
King,
for
instance
the
Women's
Resource
Center,
they
have
a
total
capacity
all
in
of
up
to
275..
They
haven't
been
able
to
go
past
about
230
because
of
staffing
issues,
so
this
would
reflect
the
230
amount,
not
that
275..
E
E
Those
kind
of
issues
so
so,
but
we're
using
the
Mill
Creek
as
much
as
possible.
Yes,
because
I'd
I'd
be
interested
in
a
if
this
would
probably
be
something
that's
longer
than
just
here
in
a
comparison
of
our
rates
from
last
year's
emergency
shelter
in
this
year's,
because
it
does
seem
like
we've,
maybe
solved
the
transit
issue
and
opened
up
the
possibility
that
other
places
hosting
the
emergency
shelter
doesn't
lead
to
decreased
usage.
I.
D
E
A
F
You
thank
you,
Andrew,
I,
think
I.
Think
these
numbers
give
us
a
good
like
perspective
of
what's
Happening
in
in
a
way
like,
so
you
know
the
cities
test
with
land
use,
ordinances
and-
and
we
do
other
things
additional
to
that,
like
sometimes
we
have
Financial
with
photos
with
the
service
providers
we
do
conditional
uses.
F
We
do
the
temporary,
so
I
feel
like
the
city
like
we
are
doing
our
part
and
now
and
then,
when
we
fought
a
lot
for
additional
funding
and
for
more
beds
and
and
all
of
the
things,
and
now
that
I
feel
like
we've
done
this
and
now
what
we're
missing.
So
now
the
Gap
is
okay
stuffing.
F
So
we
got
all
the
things
that
we
kind
of
had
to
go
over
politically
and
also
ourselves,
like
we've
done
that
now
the
Gap
is
okay,
we
have
everything,
but
we
still
cannot
get
the
you
know
the
stuffing
so
for
the
public
I
want
you
to
to
know
that
if
you
still,
you
know,
see,
issues
out
there
and
outside
is
not
because
we're
here
resting
and
hoping
that
this
issue
will
be
solved
by
itself.
We're
doing
everything
we
can
and
some
some
forces
out
there
are
beyond
our
control
like
stuffing.
F
So
you
know,
I
want
to
encourage
the
public
to
keep
talking
about
these
issues.
To
keep
talking
to
the
legislature.
I
mean
they're
in
the
session
right
now
to
keep
getting
informed
and
to
keep
pushing
for
change
whatever
it
is
to
that.
F
We
all
need
to
do
so
that
we
have
enough
staff
that
are
paid
correctly,
that
we
have
enough
space,
that
we
have
the
right
funding
that
so
we
can
all
do
or
work,
but
we
need
also
the
help
of
the
public
to
to
push
for
Change
and
to
push
for
additional
services
and
and
help.
So
thank
you,
Andrew
for
the
information.
I
guess
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
I
feel
like
we
do
everything
we
can
until
we
cannot
get
there.
D
Council,
member
you're
correct,
there's
a
lot
of
talk
right
now
at
the
state
legislature
during
the
session,
and
there
are
several
bills
that
will
be
coming
out
regarding
these
specific
needs
and
so
you're
correct
to
encourage
folks
to
pay
attention
to
participate
to
Advocate
I.
Think
from
the
city
and
you're
also
correct
that
when
you
look
at
all
of
the
the
steps
in
this
process
from
our
emergency
Outreach
and
funding
VOA
the
Outreach
teams,
the
emergency
shelter
and
doing
what
we
can
to
increase
capacity
of
the
allowance
to
do
so.
D
I
think
the
mayor
and
you
all
have
also
been
pretty
vocal
in
trying
to
get
the
word
out
that
our
private
non-profits
and
providers
are
looking
for
staff
and
that
there
are
available
options
there
to
sort
of
broadcast.
That
which
is
very
helpful.
So
I
appreciate
that
from
the
council
and
the
mayor
and
then
also
from
the
city
end.
We
continue
to
fund
deeply
affordable
housing
and
you
all
allocated
significant
amount
of
money.
A
few
months
ago,
six
million
towards
some
projects
that
are
currently
being
worked
on
for
this
coming
spring
and
summer.
D
We
have
one
more
slide
if
that
would
be
helpful.
Mr
chair
and
the
homeless
engagement
response
team
is
tracking
43
locations
currently
throughout
the
city,
and
you
can
see
that
there's
active,
Outreach
or
other
plants
for
36
of
those.
It
means
on
a
rolling
basis,
we'll
try
and
address
everything
as
they
come
forward,
and
then
there
is
some
work
to
to
be
done
this
coming
week
at
second
South
out
towards
Redwood
Road,
and
then
you
also
see
the
number
of
VOA
engagement
sites,
rehabilitations
and
recurring
cleaning.
D
A
That's
all
thank
you,
Andrew
anything
else
from
the
administration.
Thank
you
so
much
for
your
update
appreciate
that.
As
always,
our
next
agenda
item
is
item
number
two
on
Equity
update
and
I.
Think
we
get
to
meet
the
new
Chief
Equity
officer
today,
Damien
Choi,
as
well
as
Michelle
Mooney,
the
equity
manager
for
the
mayor's
office,
hello
good
to
meet
you,
hello,.
A
I
don't
know
if
this
is
already
part
of
your
your
presentation,
but
please
introduce
yourself
to
us.
We're
I
think
it's
our
first
time
getting
to
interact
with
you
in
a
meeting
yeah.
H
My
name
is
Damian
Choi
I'm,
the
new
Chief
Equity
officer,
I've,
been
with
the
city
in
previous
capacities,
as
the
compliance
division
director
and
at
Youth,
and
Family
is
one
of
the
associate
directors.
So
thank
you
for
allowing
me
to
be
in
this
space.
I'm
excited
to
work
with
you
all.
Thank.
I
G
G
G
So
last
year
we
were
able
to
complete
and
complete
the
following:
working
with
the
mayor
and
city
council
to
adopt
and
codify
cdaw
partner
with
internal
stakeholders,
to
conduct
thriving
and
place
study,
review
and
adopting
language
access
policy
and
joint
resolution
and
updating
and
relaunching
the
commission
website.
And
this
is
just
a
short
list.
I
outlined
it
specifically
in
the
annual
report
that
I
sent
over
to
you
all
some
of
the
2023
goals
that
we
have
is
building
the
framework
for
the
intersectional
gender
Equity
analysis
and
developing
a
cdaw
task
force.
G
Participation
in
the
Salt
Lake
Valley
commission
to
end
homelessness,
addressing
Geographic
inequity
and
evaluating
thriving
and
play
study
and
providing
recommendations,
creating
procedure
for
consistent
data
collection
of
ethnic,
slash,
racial
demographics
to
align
with
the
federal
census
guidelines
and
establishing
a
children.
Slash
youth
advocacy
subcommittee
next
slide.
Please.
G
We
were
able
to
work
to
hire
the
senior
education
advisor
for
the
mayor's
office
to
renegotiate
the
mou
for
the
school
resource
officers,
hire
a
full-time
recruiter
and
community
outreach
officer
for
socpd
recommend
the
final
Salt
Lake
City
community-based
trainers
of
color
to
conduct
Dei
training
for
socpd,
which
should
be
executed.
This
fall
increased
Staffing
for
coal
response
team,
as
well
as
updating
and
relaunching
the
commission
website.
G
Some
of
our
2023
goals
are
to
partner
with
the
ADC
to
facilitate
a
neurodiversity
and
since
slash
sensory
needs,
subcommittee,
review
the
current
structure
of
the
civilian
review
board
and
evaluating
National
models,
coordinating
Community
listening
sessions
led
by
the
rep
Commissioners,
and
recommending
a
budgetary
allotment
for
mental
health
professionals
and
victim
Advocates.
This
specific
budget
will
be
approximately
twenty
thousand
dollars
from
the
rep
budget
into
the
socpd
budget,
if
approved
in
order
to
provide
culturally
responsive
therapy.
To
victims
of
families
who
have
experienced
negative
police
interactions
that
completes
my
update.
A
J
Thank
you
well
welcome,
both
of
you.
It's
exciting
with
that
last
goal
for
2023
with
the
victim
Advocates
and
having
some
amount
of
funding
allotted
to
the
slcpd.
That
would
be
specific
to
families
that
have
had
negative
police
interaction
right
because
we
do
fund
other
victim,
Advocates
and
and
I
recognize,
where
they're
at
but
I,
think
for
this
particular
monetary
amount
or
whatever
it
is
that
that
would
be
specific
to
what
we're
trying
to
get
at
so
is
that
part
of
is
that
written
out
like
that?
Yes,.
G
So
Ashley
Cleveland
in
our
office
has
came
to
present
it
okay,
yes,
she
came
to
present
with
Wendy
Isom
and
it's
gonna
specifically
go
to
increase
those
therapies,
cultural,
responsive
therapy
for
the
families
that
are
affected.
Okay,
yeah,
specifically
for
that.
Well,
that's
awesome.
A
Yeah
I
also
think
that's
great
I
wonder
what
why
the
decision
to
house
that
budget
in
the
police
department
budget
was
made
rather
than
in
non-departmental
or
some
other
budget.
G
That's
a
great
question:
I
guess
for
that
yeah!
If
you
want
to.
K
Hi,
can
you
please
repeat
the
question.
A
So
it
sounds
like
from
what
we're
what
we're
hearing
we're.
There's
there
potentially
will
be
a
funding
request
to
increase,
to
provide
counseling
or
some
sort
of
support
for
individuals
who
may
have
had
a
negative
police
interaction
I'm
just
wondering
about
whether
that
makes
the
most
sense
to
have
that
budget
housed
in
the
police
department
budget
or
if
it
makes
sense
for
that
to
be
separated.
Kind
of
like
we've
done
with
body
cameras
and
other
things.
K
A
L
No
question
chair,
but
just
thank
you
for
the
work.
I
appreciate
all
the
effort
we've
gone
on,
I
mean
we
started
the
rip
a
few
years
ago
and
it's
been
ongoing
and
getting
better
every
day
and
I
really
appreciate
the
engagement
across
the
city
and
the
city,
admin
and
the
council
across
the
board.
So
I
appreciate
all
the
effort
and
thank
you
very
much.
A
You
for
all
you're
doing
for
the
city
all
right,
so
we
are
a
little
ahead
of
time.
Moving
to
item
number
three,
which
is
somewhat
related.
We
have
Ashley
lichty
the
city's
Ada
coordinator
here
to
talk
about
a
com,
public
accommodation
and
closed
captioning
and
just
council
members
as
we
we
may
have
some
of
the
accessibility
and
disability
Commissioners
here
with
us
today,
and
they
may
be
communicating
to
us
through
the
ASL
interpreters
and,
if
so,
just
make
sure
to
give
some
space
after
your
comments
for,
for
that
to
happen,.
M
Hi
Council,
thank
you
for
having
me
today.
As
was
just
mentioned,
I
am
Ashley
likely
the
Ada
coordinator
I
also
am
the
board
manager
for
the
accessibility
and
disability
commission.
About
a
year
ago,
I
sat
in
front
of
you
actually
with
an
ordinance
to
codify
the
commission,
and
now
I
am
very
honored
to
get
to
be
here,
pushing
forth
their
first
formal
recommendation,
which
is
the
closed
captioning
ordinance,
and
this
ordinance
is
a
learning
opportunity
for
the
community
as
a
whole.
M
It
would
require
all
places
of
public
accommodation
who
have
TVs
that
are
on
and
newer
than
1990
to
have
their
closed
captioning.
On
this
way,
a
whole
arraign
array
of
visitors
and
residents
would
have
more
inclusion
to
TVs
in
public
accommodations,
whether
that
is
waiting
for
a
doctor's
appointment
in
a
Lobby
or
at
a
bar
or
restaurant,
watching
a
sports
game.
It
gives
more
inclusion
across
the
board,
and
this
is
already.
This
is
something
that
has
been
happening
across
the
country
since
2008.
M
There
have
been
since
then
a
lot
of
kind
of
trial
and
error
situations
that
the
FCC
has
helped
to
mitigate
and
regulate,
so
business
owners
can
edit
or
not
edit
but
customize
their
captions
and
the
FCC
kind
of
really
takes
into
consideration
any
sort
of
concerns
with
captions
that
folks
have,
and
so
I
just
want
to
open
this
up
for
questions,
and
also
just
want
to
say.
Thank
you
so
much
for
letting
me
be
here
today.
M
Yes
correct
so
the
FCC
has
been
related
or
kind
of
working
on
this
for
a
very
long
time.
M
So
this
is
not
there's
no
monetary
cost
for
this.
This
is
really
the
two
lead
Commissioners
on
this
Pamela
Mauer
and
Stephen
Persinger,
who
are
joining
virtually
today.
They
they
have
always
since
even
before
the
commission
was
created.
N
Thank
you
for
having
us
here
today,
I'm
so
excited
to
be
involved
in
this
I
wanted
to
add
that
this
benefits
the
death
and
hard
of
hearing,
but
it
benefits
so
many
other
people
other
communities.
It
could
benefit.
You
too,
like
if
it's
a
noisy
place,
and
you
can't
hear
well
the
closed
captioning
would
benefit
you
and
I
would
just
want
to
remind
you
of
how
many
communities
it
would
benefit
and
maybe
Stephen
would
like
to
add
some
more
hold
on
one.
Second,
let
me
pin
Steven
wait
a
second
and
move
to
stage.
N
Okay,
The
Interpreter
is
ready.
Okay,
hello,
everyone!
Thank
you
for
your
time
and
letting
me
have
this
opportunity.
Yes,
I'm,
so
excited
about
this
and
it's
free
who
doesn't
like
free
to
be
able
to
increase
accessibility,
that's
really
nice
and
also
it
could
even
draw
more
deaf
and
hard
of
hearing
people
into
Salt,
Lake
City
and
increase
their
business.
So
there's
lots
of
benefits
to
this
and
I'm
grateful
for
this
time
that
you're
thinking
about
this
ordinance
and
then
Pamela
said
yes
and
fair.
Are
there
any
questions
that
you
might
have
for
us.
O
Chair
hi,
Mr,
chair,
yes,
go
ahead,
so
I
I
love
this.
This
is
fantastic
and
I
just
wanted
to
find
out.
How
do
we
plan
to
spread
the
word
about
this
because
there
is
going
to
be
potential,
hundreds
of
thousands
or
maybe
thousands
of
sites
in
Salt,
Lake
City
that
could
benefit
from
this
information.
So
how
do
we
I
mean?
Maybe.
O
M
Absolutely
thank
you
for
that
question
again.
Like
you
already
said,
one
of
the
ways
that
I
intend
to
help
spread.
This
word
is
through
Community
newsletters,
but
also
utilizing
the
disability
organizations
that
exist
in
Salt,
Lake
City
to
help
spread
that
message,
as
well
as
working
with
economic
development
and
our
Communications
teams,
and
any
and
also
any
ideas
that
anyone
else
has
about
this
as
well.
So
it
will
obviously
be
an
ongoing
educational
opportunity.
Like
I
said
our
our
goal
with
this
ordinance
is
not
to
be
punitive,
so
even
with
the.
M
If
there
is
a
business
that
doesn't
know
about
it,
something
I
would
like
to
do
as
well
is
have
Flyers
available,
so
people
can
just
go
up
to
a
bartender,
a
store
clerk,
whatever
it
may
be
hand
them
a
flyer
that
just
has
that
information
on
it
or
if
they.
If
someone
reports
that
a
business
isn't
doing
it,
the
the
first
stage
is
a
warning.
So
again
it's
very
educational.
J
Thank
you,
Mr,
chair,
I,
think
that's
great
and
I
I
would
encourage
you
to
take
advantage
of
all
of
us
sitting
up
here
as
well.
Yes,
any
of
us
have
a
lot
of
different
connections
with
different
business.
Chambers
and
not
the
economic
development
doesn't
also
have
those
connections,
but
you
have
several
small
business
owners
sitting
at
the
table,
right
that
have
different
connections
and
I.
Think
sometimes
it
because
we're
like
the
big
bad
Council
we
get
overlooked
in
some
ways.
J
Yes,
but
please
feel
free
to
use
us
and
use
the
connections
we
have
to
get
this
out
and
to
create
events
within
our
different
circles
to
to
support
this,
because
it
is
incredibly
important,
I
think
to
all
of
us
and
we
would
be
there
for
it,
not
just
through
a
newsletter,
but
if
there's
other
things
that
may
come
up,
please
reach
out
to
us.
Thank.
F
Was
wondering
if
you
already
talked
to
business
licensing
and
that
could
be
part
of
their
flyer
when
you
know
when
you
come
in
and
apply
for
a
business
license
be
like
okay,
if
you
provide
a
TV
in
your
business,
here's
a
new
law,
please
turn
on
the
closed
caption.
This
is
a
a
new
law
for
Ada.
You
know
accommodations
for
our
city,
so
yeah.
That's
also.
O
Just
quick
quickly,
like
you
know,
thinking
we.
Obviously
we
should
get
the
airport,
maybe
they're
already
doing
that,
but
with
it
and
and
then
when
we
apply
for
business
licenses
here
you
know
when
businesses
apply
here
to
get
a
business
license.
It
will
be
a
good
opportunity
to
give
them
a
little
flyer.
So.
M
O
I
I
I,
so
I
just
to
clarify
I,
am
about
to
testify
in
a
bill
in
a
minute,
so
I'm
listening
to
that
they
love
yourself
telling
me
we're
next
and
so
I'm,
not
completely
out
of
it.
Okay,
thank
you,
Anna.
That
was
a
great
idea
by
the
way,
fantastic.
A
So
many
ideas
from
Council,
Members
I
do
have
a
question
on
this
sorry
and
and
first
of
all,
I
I'm
excited
about
this
ordinance.
Great
idea,
I'm.
It's
it's
exciting
for
me,
particularly
not
just
for
this
commission,
but
to
just
see
our
boards
and
commissions
coming
to
us
with
direct
policy
recommendations
to
me.
That's
really
energizing
to
see
like
yeah.
These
experts
that
we
have
asked
to
spend
their
time
with
us
are
actually
moving
the
needle
on
things.
A
So
thank
you
for
this
one
question
I
do
have,
though-
and
this
is
coming
from
my
background
as
an
architect-
I
know
that
the
the
Ada
laws
in
our
country
there
there
are
time
unfortunate
times
when
they
become
kind
of
weaponized
for
civil
suits
and
I'm
wondering
if
this
is
a
place
where
we
a
business
owner
that
doesn't
know
about
this.
There
may
be
somebody
that
goes
and
knows
that
this
law
exists
and
targets
that
business
owner
have.
A
We
thought
through
that
dimension
of
it
at
all,
because
I
I
can
imagine
they're
business
owners
that,
just
like
don't
understand
that
this
exists.
Don't
have
that
turned
on
and
then
are
all
of
a
sudden
facing
litigation
from
private
individuals
that
are
that
are
kind
of
weaponizing
it
for
the
wrong
reasons.
A
N
Oh
I'm,
hoping
it's
okay,
if
I
make
this
comment,
but
that
is
a
very
good
point
that
you
brought
up.
I
feel
that's
where
we
need
to
Sanderson
Community
Center
for
the
deaf
and
hard
of
hearing,
that's
where
I
work,
and
we
can
continue
to
remind
the
deaf
and
hard
of
hearing
people
how
to
approach
businesses
if
they
notice
that
they're
not
having
their
captions
on.
N
They
can
teach
and
educate
the
business
in
a
positive
way
and
the
department
of
the
workforce
we're
under
the
department
of
the
workforce
services,
and
we
will
plan
to
collaborate
with
them
to
go
through
that
Avenue.
Also.
Yes,
we
we
do
have
plans
for
deaf
and
hard
of
hearing
how
they
can
approach
it
and
and
because
some
people
won't
know
about
it,
and
then
we
can
remind
them
to
turn
it
on
and
do
does
that
satisfy
your
question?
Do
you
feel.
M
Thank
you
so
much
Pamela
for
that
great
plug
for
Pamela's,
wonderful
organization
to
the
Sanderson
Center
in
Taylorsville.
So
to
answer
your
question
from
the
side
of
someone
who
may
be
coming
in
and
saying:
oh
you're
not
doing
this,
let
me
file
a
lawsuit.
They
can
already
do
that
through
the
Ada,
because
captions
requesting
captions
to
be
on
as
a
form
of
effective
communication.
M
Therefore,
if
captions
aren't
on
that
is
going
against
the
already
in
title
III
as
a
public
accommodation
and
then
also
just
Communications
within
title
IV
of
the
Ada,
so
that
already
exists.
This
is
again
kind
of
like
what
Pamela
is
saying
this
at
having
it
as
a
city.
Ordinance
is
more
of
a
again
kind
of
learning
opportunity,
because
there
will
be
opportunity
even
kind
of
at
the
federal
level
for
lawsuits.
A
A
M
See
and
they
don't
provide
it,
then
that's
going
against
effective
communication.
So
what
we're
doing
here
is
we're
taking
the
burden
off
of
the
individual
for
having
to
ask
the
business
to
do
it
and
we're
creating
a
more
inclusive
environment
by
just
already
providing
that
as
an
accommodation
for
everyone.
Q
Oh,
my
name
is
Casey
lynam
I'm,
the
the
commissioner
for
the
accent,
accessibility
and
disability
commission
board.
Q
One
of
the
things
then
I'm
excited
for
this
ordinance
and
one
of
the
things
that
every
business
should
do
is
like
create
any
any
text
like
any
words
that
are
in
both
and
make
the
the
words
like
a
little
bigger
for
those
who
are
having
a
hard
time
saying
it,
because
they're
they're
vision
is
bad
or
something
like
that.
Q
From
my
background,
as
a
para
educator
for
the
Jordan
School
District
I
think
it
would
be
awesome
if
every
business
will
know
on
that
and
also
I
think
every
single
business
in
the
state
should
be
trained
on
like
the
emergency
preparedness,
whether
like
we
have
been
trained
in
in
high
school
for
the
school
district
and
learn
about
like
you
know
what
to
do.
If
there's
like
a
fire
drill
or
if
there's
like,
like
a
lockdown
drill
or
shelter
in
place
drill,
so
that
way
they
can
just
be
prepared.
M
Thank
you
Casey,
so
two
Casey's
points
something
that
everyone
can
do
with
the
captions
is.
There
is
a
feature
to
customize
them,
so
if
they
want
them
smaller
or
larger,
as
Casey
was
mentioning
that
is
possible
through
the
customization
feature
on
various
Technologies.
Thanks
for
bringing
that
to
our
attention.
A
Great
appreciate
all
that
any
other
council
member
questions
or
thoughts,
okay,
so
this
does
not
require
a
public
hearing
and
we
are
set
for
tentative
action
on
February
21st,
any
other
general
questions.
While
we
have
our
Ada
commissioner
and.
O
Mr
chair,
thank
you.
I
I
have
a
quick
question,
but
it's
not
related
to
the
subtitles.
So
thank
you
for
for
that
work.
One
of
the
things
that
I
one
of
the
administration,
the
administration,
was
set
up
as
a
goal
and
I
really
care
a
lot
about
within
this
department.
Is
the
issue
of
the
translation
of
the
documents
across
the
board
or
identifying
what
documents
were
necessary
to
translate,
how
we
identify
those
and
how
we
started
translating
those
documents.
M
Great
so
I,
as
you
may
know,
we
recently
hired
a
new
language
access
coordinator,
Chris,
Macias,
and
so
right
now
he
is
actually
in
the
process
of
going
through
that
trying
to
determine
what
documents
make
the
most
sense
to
do.
First,
how
to
prioritize
and
also
how
to
effectively
ensure
that
we
are
communicating
with
people
that
those
are
available,
because
if
you
put
all
this
work
in
and
money
into
getting
all
of
these
documents
online,
but
no
one
knows
about
them,
then
it's
kind.
M
O
Well,
I
would
love
to
help
with
this
I
mean
this
was
a
goal
for
the
2022
Administration
and
is
marked
as
complete
on
the
website.
So
I
want
to
make
sure
that
you
know
how
I
can
help
with
this.
This
is
an
important
of
of
you
know
my
constituents
there's
a
lot
of
them
that
just
only
speak,
you
know,
you
know
their
languages,
so
I
I
would
like
us
to
put
quite
a
bit
of
effort.
Absolutely.
J
Real
quick
and
to
that
point,
translating
not
just
the
certain
documents
but
translating
them
correctly.
It's
one
of
the
things
that
all
I
came
in
talking
about
when
he
was
first
a
council
member
of
working
at
the
county
and
having
documents
translated
in
a
in
a
way
that
doesn't
make
sense
for
an
actual
native
speaker
of
Spanish,
for
example,
right
that
there's
words
being
used
because
we're
not
actually
translating
them
accurately.
It's
like
throw
it
into
Google
translate.
J
And
then
be
like
we're
good
and
it's
like
wait
that
doesn't
actually
work.
Yes,
if
we
want
people
to
understand
what
we're
saying
right
so
I
think
that's
the
other
key
to
that.
What's
important
priority
wise
and
that
we're
doing
it
correctly
and
accurately
and
I.
Think
too
that
I
didn't
mean
to
women's
bling
here.
So.
M
H
So
councilman
member
Pui
will
make
sure
to
Circle
back
with
you
and
follow
up.
O
A
All
right,
thank
you,
I
appreciate
those
updates
appreciate
all
your
work.
We
are
moving
on
I,
think
to
item
number
four.
In
that
case,.
N
A
A
All
right
now,
item
number
four
is
Atlantic
informational
update
on
the
land
exchange
to
facilitate
the
bridge
to
Bachmann
project
at
the
table
we
have
Ben
ludkey,
Council
policy,
analyst
Tammy,
hunsaker,
deputy
director
of
community
and
neighborhoods
and
Cat
Moss.
The
public
lands
out
at
one
of
our
public
lands
planners.
R
Thanks
Mr
chair,
the
land
exchange
before
the
council
was
negotiated
between
the
city
and
an
adjacent
private
property
owner
in
equal
amount
of
land
would
be
exchanged
between
the
city
and
the
private
party.
It's
about
a
20th
of
an
acre
which
is
about
2
500
square
feet.
So
it's
a
relatively
small
amount
of
land,
The
Exchange
is
needed
in
order
to
complete
a
capital
Improvement
project,
the
council
previously
funded
1.1
million
dollars
for
two
related
Capital
Improvement
projects.
R
R
City
code
requires
specific
steps
in
order
for
open
space
to
be
removed
from
the
inventory.
So,
even
though
this
is
an
exchange
and
a
net
zero
exchange,
it
still
must
follow
the
same
steps.
So
this
includes
things
like
a
public
hearing
which
is
scheduled
for
tonight.
There's
a
mailing
to
all
Property
Owners
within
a
thousand
feet,
which
is
more
than
the
city
does
for
other
types
of
land
use,
notices
to
the
public
and
then
there's
a
sixth
month
waiting
period
after
the
public
hearing.
R
A
Mr
chair:
yes,
thanks
so
you're
saying:
Council
has
an
optional
advisory
vote,
but
that's
not
required
and
the
administration
could
move
forward
with
this
regardless
or
what
is
the
that's
correct?
It's
advisory,
okay,
a
question
just
procedurally
I
guess
so:
yeah
zoning,
the
land
we're
deeding
over
to
the
private
property
owners
zoned
as
open
space.
What
is
the
land
that
we
are
receiving
and
will
those
zoning
designations
be
swapped?
J
J
S
Yeah
I
can
kind
of
dive
in
and
I'll
just
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
project,
but
thank
you
so
much
for
this
opportunity
to
initiate
this
disposition
process
next
slide
and
Ben
kind
of
talked
about
this.
But
we
did
complete
the
installation
of
the
bridge
to
backman
project
last
year
between
500
and
700
North
across
the
Jordan
River,
to
connect
back
in
elementary
with
the
adjacent
housing
unit,
known
as
Riverwood
Cove,
which
is
the
entity
that
we
will
be
doing
the
land
swap
with.
S
But
the
second
phase
of
this
is
to
develop
the
open
space
on
the
west
side
of
the
river.
Currently,
it
is
covered
in
really
thick
invasive
vegetation
and
poses
a
lot
of
risks
for
users
and
students
that
are
now
using
the
bridge,
but
an
analysis
of
census.
Block
data
done
by
the
U
of
U
actually
shows
that
this
specific
Natural
Area
has
the
potential
to
provide
walkable
access
to
nature
for
more
children
than
any
other
natural
open
space
in
the
whole
city.
So
public
lands
is
really
motivated
to
complete
this
development
as
soon
as
possible.
S
Next
slide.
Please
and
this
development
will
include
kind
of
irrigation
installation
to
support
native
plants,
a
variety
of
trees,
looped,
Pathways
and
seeding
areas.
Nature
Play
features
along
the
Jordan
River,
as
well
as
an
outdoor
classroom,
and
this
space
will
be
publicly
accessible
as
a
park,
but
will
also
be
used
by
Bachmann
Elementary
as
an
outdoor
classroom,
and
so,
as
Ben
mentioned.
In
order
to
complete
this
project,
a
land
swap
with
Riverwood
Cove
LLC
is
required,
and
this
project
is
currently
under
design.
S
S
So
the
city
right
now
is
looking
to
trade.
The
current
city-owned
portion
of
the
parcel,
which
is
shown
here
in
Green
for
the
two
red
kind
of
sliver
portions
of
the
parcel
which
results
in
no
net
loss
of
open
space
for
the
city,
but
will
accomplish
three
things.
It
will
allow
us
to
create
an
entrance
to
the
backman
community,
open
space
where
the
bridge
enters
the
property
to
provide
access
between
the
housing
unit
and
backman
Elementary.
It
will
also
resolve
a
current
utility
issue
on
the
property.
S
Currently,
a
Rocky
Mountain
power
line
is
crossing
over
a
portion
of
the
Riverwood
Cove
property
on
the
red
sliver
on
the
Eastern
portion
of
this
parcel,
and
then
finally,
it
will
resolve
an
encroachment.
That's
currently
shown
here
in
green.
The
parking
lot
for
the
Riverwood
Cove
housing
unit
is
encroaching
on
city-owned
property
and
the
new
parcel
boundary
line
will
be
along
the
sidewalk
to
the
west
side
of
the
property
and
run
along
the
fence
line
of
their
current
parking
lot
and
then
the
parking
lot
boundary
to
the
east.
So
so.
S
T
Council,
chair
I,
will
just
finish
up
the
presentation.
Ben
did
a
great
job
of
talking
about
the
public
noticing
requirements.
There
are
several
requirements
in
ordinance
that
we
are
following,
including
the
noticing
within
a
thousand
feet,
two
signs
posted
on
the
property,
and
we
also
were
required
to
post
a
notice
in
a
local
newspaper
for
two
successive
weeks
and
the
ordinance
is
very
specific.
It
can't
be
less
than
one-fourth
page
in
size.
T
It
even
specifies
the
size
of
the
font,
so
we
We
are
following
all
the
required
steps
and
we
did
look
into
the
ordinance
and
it
is
required,
even
though
there's
a
no
net
loss
of
open
space,
so
we're
following
that.
Unfortunately,
we
do
have
to
follow
the
six-month
waiting
period
with
this,
which
will
push
the
project
out
a
little
bit.
We
understand
why
it
is
difficult
to
take
property
out
of
open
space,
but
we
are
excited
just
to
have
this
project
move
forward
next
slide.
T
Oh,
that
is
it
so
we
are
through
and
I'm
here,
because
real
estate
services
within
can
will
help
with
the
land
exchange
for
the
property,
and
so
we
are
working
closely
with
public
lands
on
that
component
of
the
project.
A
All
right
Ben,
you
had
mentioned
that
this
brings
up
a
potential,
optimization
or
streamlining
that
we
can
do
with
our
city
ordinances.
Can
you
go
into
that
a
little
bit
more
so.
R
There's
no
code
Amendment
before
the
council
today,
it's
more
of
a
if
the
council
is
interested
in
these
narrow
type
of
situations.
When
there's
no
net
loss
of
open
space
should
there
be
a
carve
out
to
not
have
to
follow
the
exact
same
process
or
should
all
of
it
continue
to
go
through
the
same
process.
So
all
of
those.
A
T
A
J
Quick
question:
weren't
we
looking
at
other
ordinances
regarding
notification
because
of
the
like
newspaper
issue.
Can
somebody
remind
me
didn't
it
have
that
somewhere.
J
This
has
definitely
come
up
in
the
past
of
ordinances,
and
the
newspaper
is
requirement
and
I
know:
there's
probably
some
state
law
regarding
notification
and
things
like
that,
but
to
I
think
what
your
point
was
Mr
chair
is,
it
is
2023
and
I,
don't
know
who
gets
a
written
newspaper
anymore
that
defines
what
font
you
have
to
use
in
a
paper
right
and
so
I'm
wondering
if
that
Somewhere
In
My
Memory.
J
We
were
looking
at
this
somewhere
else
in
another
area,
and
maybe
it
was
the
permit
right
of
way
that
we're
going
to
be
talking
about
again
but,
like
I,
think
probably
a
lot
of
our
ordinances
for
notification.
Wise
has
some
things
like
this
that
maybe
we
should
take
kind
of
a
holistic
look
at
that
might
be
easier.
J
I
mean
I'm
good
with
like
the
open
space.
Let's
talk
about
that
in
particular,
but
it
kind
of
brings
up
this
other
thing
that
we're
in
2023
and
aren't
there
different
ways
that
we
can
have
notification.
That
still
does
what
the
intent
is
meant
to
do,
but
doesn't
require
maybe
quite
the
same
hurdles
in
some
ways.
I
L
I
was
just
going
to
appreciate
the
point
that
if
we
can
look
at
the
streamlining
some
of
these
smaller
Net
Zero,
if
he's
I'd
like
that,
I'd
like
to
streamline
that
process
in
that
case,.
E
Also
like
it
to
be
proximate
so
that
we
can't
take
all
the
green
space
out
of
one
area
and
put
it
in
another
place
that
has
to
maintain
some
proximity,
but
thank
you
for
this
project.
It's
enhancing,
not
just
the
quality
of
life
for
people
there,
but
the
safety
of
kids
as
they're,
not
having
to
walk
all
the
way
up
on
700
North
in
that
sidewalk
to
get
to
school.
It's
making
the
area
prettier
too.
Thank
you.
Sorry.
J
Mr
chairman,
another
question:
if
I
may
particular
to
this
project,
is
this
partly
CIP
funded.
J
S
Yeah
I
can
answer
that
two
parts
in
order
to
facilitate
the
installation
of
the
bridge,
a
Rocky,
Mountain
power
pole
had
to
be
moved,
and
so
that
kind
of
initiated
the
overhead
power
line
issue.
And
then
we
are
we've
designed
the
open
space
not
contingent
on.
We
can
amend
the
design,
but
the
most
effective
pathway
from
the
Riverwood
Cove
across
the
bridge
is
through
that
parcel
that's
owned
by
Riverwood,
Cove
LLC.
So
just
efficiency
of
design
also
kind
of
prompted
this.
A
U
You,
the
administration,
is
proposing
a
new
fee
for
the
Consolidated
fee
schedule
for
the
cost
of
notifying
adjacent
properties
when
there's
work
done
in
the
right-of-way
currently.
Currently,
the
city
is
not
charging
or
recovering
their
fee
for
mailing
to
properties
and
owner
property
owners.
In
Residence,
the
administration
performed
a
cost
analysis
and
determined
the
fully
loaded
cost
per
postcard
is
11.58.
U
The
council
needs
to
not
now,
but
the
council
by
the
time
the
public
hearing
is
finished
and
when
it
comes
back
to
the
council
for
Action,
the
council
needs
to
determine
whether
the
city
will
charge
the
fully
loaded
cost
or
something
or
percentage
of
that
fee,
so
at
and
I'd
be
happy
to
turn
the
time
over
now
to
Public
Services.
Thank
you.
V
You
want
me
to
go
council
members
pleasure
to
be
here
one
of
the
things
that
we
assessed
when
the
ordinance
1430,
let
me
see,
1432-36
came
about,
was
to
identify
those
impacts
that
neighboring
or
adjacent
Property
Owners
would
would
encounter
as
a
result
of
the
work
in
public
way.
V
One
of
the
things
to
be
able
to
address
consistency
as
we
go
through
and
provide
these
notices
is
provide
each
property
owner
with
something
that
would
have
a
city
logo
that
they
could
identify.
That
would
have
a
much
less
chance
of
it
being
thrown
away
or
discarded
if
it
were
a
door
hanger.
That
was
maybe
an
unsolicited
item.
V
The
way
we
have
proposed
this
in
the
11.58
is
a
fully
loaded
fee
that
takes
into
account
items
such
as
direct
labor
and
unbilled
building
costs,
which
account
for
a
little
over
70
percent
of
that
total
cost.
So
if
you
back
that
out
just
actual
materials
and
things
would
be
around
three
dollars
and
nine
cents,
so
that's
just
subtracting
the
849
of
those
direct
labor
and
build
building
costs
out.
V
One
of
the
things
that
we
do
prefer
in
this
is
that
consistency
and
by
utilizing
the
postal
service,
we
as
a
city,
are
sending
out
the
mailers.
We
have
the
ability
to
make
sure
that
we
have
accountability,
that
it
was
sent
out,
that
there
wasn't
any
questions.
So
if
we
get
a
question
from
a
council
member
who
gets
a
concern
from
a
constituent,
hey,
we
weren't
we
weren't
notified,
then
we
can
then
go
by
and
in
this
manner
be
able
to
verify
that
they
were
in
fact
notified
now.
V
This
also
includes
notifications
to
the
actual
resident
and
if
it's
at
least
their
rented
property,
then
there's
also
notification.
That's
sent
out
to
the
property
owner
through
our
addressing
system,
so
just
kind
of
a
little
bit
of
background
of
how
the
cost
came
about
when
we
went
through
City
Finance.
To
get
with
that
that
fully
loaded
fee
was.
A
Does
this
is
this
commensurate
with
the
fees
that
we
charge
like
land
use
petitioners
when
they
have
to
send
a
postcard
out?
We
also
charge
them
11.58
cents
per
postcard
and
that's
outside
of
your
department
I
realize
so
because
my
I'm
guessing
it's
going
to
look
very
similar
to
those
postcards.
We
all
get
that
say
such
and
such
rezone
may
be
happening
in
your
in
your
street.
W
Right
one
thing
that
I
would
like
to
add-
and
yes
I-
can
see
the
surprise
on
on
the
cost
per
postcard
is
that
this
is
not
the
only
option.
This
is
the
preferred
option
from
our
perspective,
but
the
audience
already
spells
out
a
couple
of
options
for
the
permit
requester
to
address
this
requirement,
which
is
they
can
print
their
own
door
hanger
and
notify
and
provide
the
city
with
evidence
that
they
notify
those
adjacent,
Property
Owners.
That's.
W
Right
and
and
so
in
most
I
I
I
can't
tell
the
future
just
yet,
but
in
most
cases,
if
you
present
this
fee
today
to
the
permit
requester,
that
might
be
the
thought
of
I
can
do
it
for
cheaper
I'm.
Just
gonna
do
it,
but
their
requirement
to
you
to
provide
proof
of
notification
is
still
there
in
the
ordinance.
So,
okay.
A
So
the
requirement
to
provide
notification
is
what
we
created
a
year
ago
or
whatever,
and
that
is
not
going
to
change,
but
what
we're
doing
is
providing
an
option
for
the
permit
holder
to
say:
I'll
just
pay
the
city
to
do
that
notification.
For
me,
rather
than
doing
it
myself,
correct
am
I.
Is
that
clear,
okay,
council
members,
any
questions.
V
No,
the
one
thing
that
I'll
just
reiterate
is
that,
with
the
preference
being
the
postcard,
yes,
there's
a
cost,
but
that
does
provide
a
consistency
throughout
the
city
for
all
projects
and
it
it
Brands.
It
is
Salt
Lake
City.
So
the
idea
is
that,
with
the
postcard
that
that
notification
would
be
less
discarded
than
something
that
just
didn't
have
City
logo
on
it.
It
just
makes
it
that
much
more
official
and
so
I
think
the
inclination
is
okay.
This
is
something
from
a
government
entity
I'm
not
just
going
to
throw
it
away.
L
Customer
digging,
yeah
I
appreciate
that
I
can
probably
agree
with
that
people
would
find
find
something
on
their
door.
Hanger
and
just
immediately
goes
in
the
trash
just
because
you
know
they're,
not
even
gonna.
Look
at
it.
So
I
agree
with
your
point
about
having
the
city,
logo
and
I
also
agree
that
you
know
we
should
charge
what
we
get
to
have
to
pay
for,
and
you
know
we
shouldn't
say:
oh
well,
we're
gonna
charge
you
only
50
of
what
the
burden
is.
L
We
should
charge
a
full
burden
price
because
we're
actually,
then
not
doing
anybody
else,
a
favor
by
not
charging
the
full
cost
of
our
work
to
be
done
so
I'm
in
favor
of
the
100
and
I
also
agree
with
your
point
about
the
city.
Logo
on
an
official
notification
is
important,
but
I.
Think
there's
the
give
and
take
on
the
option
is
also
necessary.
Correct.
E
V
Ordinance
doesn't
address
penalties,
it
just
kind
of
says
further
down
in
the
ordinance.
These
are
the
things
that
have
to
be
included
on
the
flyer
and
what
the
city
would
do
if
they
so
chose
to
go
with
that
route,
they
would
be
given
an
example
of
size,
medium
kind
of
what
a
door
hanger
would
look
like
and
and
they
would
have
that
option.
I'm.
V
Correct
and
one
of
the
things
with
that
and
we've
is
whether
or
not
that
would
have
the
city
logo.
On
the
the
flyer
which,
under
advice
of
counselors
we've
talked
to
the
city's
attorney's
office,
they
would
prefer
that
we
and
I
agree
that
we
would
not
have
or
provide
that
City
logo,
either
through
intellectual
rights
or
misuse,
because
Anything
Could
Happen
from
the
time
that
we
give
that
to
them.
That
could
there
could
be
any
number
of
things
that
could
happen
with
the
postcard.
A
I
guess
my
thought
is:
if
I'm
going
to
pull
a
permit
and
lace,
some
cable
underground
or
whatever
I'm,
going
to
do
in
the
public
way
and
I.
Look
at
that
costs
is
the
fully
loaded
cost.
Yes,
the
city
should
be.
Taxpayers
should
not
be
paying
for
costs
that
are
incurred
by
private
companies,
but
if
this
is
a
service
to
the
resident,
I
can
and
we're
giving
the
applicant
the
option.
I
I
just
anticipate
that
some
people
are
going
to
say:
yeah
I
can
do
it
for
less
than
11
and
then
we're
giving
them
the.
A
Well,
if
you're?
If
what
what
was
said
is
true
that
the
postcard
that
the
city
would
send
out
is
better
and
will
be
read,
then
we
should
not
make
it
also
so
expensive.
That
will
never
be
done
and
that's
just
about
I,
don't
know
or
we
need
to
change.
The
ordinance
say
that
that's
the
only
way
that
that
it
can
happen,
but
I
think
there
are
other
issues
with
that.
I.
E
Feel
like
it's
economies
of
scale,
I
mean
when
you're
developing
four
city
blocks
like
what's
happening
over
at
post
District.
This
fee
might
not
be
as
onerous
as
someone
who's
developing
one
parcel
at
a
time.
So
I
think
the
optionality
is
really
good
and
I
think
we
should
highly
encourage
it,
but
I
think
with
the
the
scale
of
things
going
on
right
now,
that
this
fee
might
not
be
as
onerous
to
some
developers
as
it
is
to
me.
Looking
at
it
when.
A
V
V
So
as
you
go
in
and
see
kind
of
the
examples,
if,
if
two
notices
it
fully
loaded,
be
about
23.16,
okay
for
a
larger
linear
projects
that
affect
a
lot
more,
especially
multi-housing
units,
you
know
that
cost
will
incrementally
go
up
as
a
result,
but
the
typical
property
owner
that's
doing
an
application
for
sewer
ladder
or
something
in
front
of
their
house.
A
driveway
apron
that
cost
is
not
going
to
be
anywhere
near
as
say.
A
large
linear
project
that
of
public
utility
would
be
would
be
doing
I.
X
Just
I
I
think
this
is
kind
of
what
all
of
our
questions
are
getting
at.
I,
don't
think,
there's
like
a
small
mom
and
pop
utility
provider
out
there.
That
is
going
to
be
burdened
by
postcards
and
even
if
they're,
using
like
a
local
Construction
Company
it
it
they're,
going
to
be
hired
by
like
at
T
Verizon
they're,
going
to
cover
those
costs.
X
That's
why
I'd
be
in
favor
of
just
requiring
this
any
instances
we're
having
a
penalty
for
not
okay,.
A
Thanks
and
another
way
to
get
it
that
might
be
ice,
there
are
costs
associated,
even
if
the
Verizon
does
their
own
door.
Hangers.
Someone
in
the
city
has
to
verify
and
and
field
the
complaint
that
that
getter
did
not
get
taken.
V
Another
thing
to
add
we're,
probably
getting
a
little
further,
is
that
this
verification
that
they
did
the
pre-notifications
is
a
precursor
to
them
actually
receiving
the
permit.
So
part
of
the
permit
approval
is
contingent
upon
them,
providing
that
that
verification
that
it
was
done
so
by
us
as
the
city
doing
it,
then
we
are
already.
You
know
allowing
for
us
to
have
that
that
verification.
A
Okay,
so
I
think
that
brings
up
the
question
that,
maybe
is
the
one
that
we
should
be
asking,
which
is:
if
a
if
a
permit
holder
chooses
not
to
use
this
service
and
to
do
their
own
door
tag,
does
their
permit
become
more
expensive,
because
then
the
Inc,
the
cost
of
the
permit
issuer
having
to
verify
that
those
door
tags
were
placed
needs
to
be
recouped,
whereas
if
they're
paying
this
fee,
then
that's
already
covered.
Yes,.
W
W
So
there
is
an
incentive
in
a
way
for
for
that
company
to
go
ahead
and
just
pay
the
city,
because
we
are
going
to
follow
through
and
at
that
time,
because
they
are
fulfilling
the
requirement
they
can
get
their
permit,
and
we
will
see
that
those
postcards
are
mailed
right
away.
Does
this.
W
X
W
Don't
have
an
answer
for
that,
because
this
was
a
discussion
when
the
when
the
first
ordinance
was
approved,
I
understand
that
there
were
some
discussions
to
give
the
option
to
them
to
do
it
on
their
own
and
that's
what
exists
right
now
in
the
ordinance.
The
the
current
amendment
that
we
are
requesting
is
just
to
reflect
the
fee
associated
with
the
mailer
that
we
currently
are
not
charging
yeah.
X
Well,
I
guess
I
mean
I
am
in
favor
of
the
change,
but
I
would
also
I
also
wonder
if
it
would
just
make
it
easier
on
us
as
a
city.
If
we
said
you
have
to,
let
us
do
it,
because
we
have
to
do
work,
whether
you
hire
a
private
printer
or
not.
We
we
have
to
do
work,
so
just
let
us
print
it
and
let
us
do
it
and
it'll
be
faster.
J
J
Has
that
I
don't
have
that
background,
but
maybe
we
could
follow
up
on
that,
because
I'm
curious,
too
and
I
think
I'm
sort
of
at
the
point
where
I'm
I'm
sick
of
incentivizing
I'm
on
a
require
in
a
lot
of
different
areas
right
and
so,
but
maybe
there
was
like
this
really
amazing,
robust
discussion.
I
doubt
it,
but
maybe
there
was
that
made
some
points
of
why
we
kept
it
open.
Remember.
A
Y
If
I
could
add
coming
from
the
planning
division,
that
I
believe
it's
a
300
foot
radius
for
for
planning
petitions
I,
don't
think
there
is
that
option.
V
A
A
Is
that
legal
or
possible
for
us
to
do
and
I
want
to
confirm
that
if
the
under
the
current
system
so
I
think
we're
all
a
yes
on,
let's
charge
the
fee,
but
the
under
the
current
system,
if
of
applicant
chooses
not
to
use
the
city
service,
are
we
then
is
there
some
other
way
we're
recouping
the
additional
costs
of
on-city
employees
and
burden
on
taxpayer,
because
we
know
that
that
works?
A
E
If
we
send
the
postcards
and
a
constituent
says,
I
was
never
notified
about
this.
We
I
assume
then,
would
would
have
seen
that
liability
and
would
interface
with
them.
They
would
have
to
absorb
that
liability
if
they
did
it
themselves
and
would
there
be
any
recourse
that
we
offer
through
the
city
to
that
constituent,
I.
E
We
had
so
many
we've
had
so
many
constituents
coming
to
us
and
say
I
was
never
told
about
this
or
the
noticing
wasn't
done
properly
right
or
something
like
that,
and
it
seems
like
when
it's
an
in-house.
That's
a
very,
very
clear-cut
thing
right.
We
have
all
the
documentation,
you
know
we,
we
have
set
processes,
but
if
it
goes
through
a
private
entity
that
seems
like
it
opens
up
a
potential.
A
A
We
are
moving
on
to
item
number
six,
which
is
an
informational
discussion
about
title
transparency
in
the
housing
stability
division
budget.
We
have
Alison
Roland
Council
policy
Analyst
at
the
table,
as
well
as
Blake
Thomas
and
Tammy
hunsaker,
director
and
deputy
director
of
community
neighborhoods.
Z
Thank
you,
Mr
chair.
This
is
an
informational
briefing
on
transparency
in
the
housing
stability
division
budget.
The
administration,
as
you
may
remember,
is
conducting
an
internal
review
of
the
housing
stability
division
in
can
the
community
and
neighborhoods
department-
and
this
is
actually
ongoing.
So
in
May
2020.
You
may
remember
that
the
administration
documented
about
12
million
in
dormant
income
or
Surplus
HUD
program
income.
Hud,
of
course,
is
the
Housing
and
Urban
Development
Department
of
the
federal
government.
Z
Z
So
to
sum
up,
both
the
housing
stability
Division
and
its
predecessors
used
Financial
practices
which
don't
adequately
track
the
sources
of
these
funds
and
they
also
allocated
them
in
non-transparent
ways.
The
division
was
essentially
running
an
unofficial
revolving
Loan
program
and
using
the
repayments
and
the
interest
charge
to
provide
additional
loans
to
applicants.
Z
Neither
the
administration
nor
the
city's
annual
independent
audits
have
found
evidence
of
financial
malfeasance,
so
there
are
no
funds
missing,
for
example,
but
over
the
years
the
council
has
repeatedly
requested
information
on
the
division's
budgeting
practices
and
has
not
received
a
clear
answer
until
now,
when
it's
beginning
to
to
become
more
clear
so
far,
the
Administration
has
rectified
the
division's
practice
of
non-transparent
budgeting
of
program
income.
They've
proposed
improvements
to
bring
the
programs
in
line
with
current
best
practices
and
budgeting
and
transparency,
and
this
process
will
continue
for
the
next
several
years.
Z
The
administration
recommends
for
process
improvements.
One
is
to
establish
formal
policies
and
procedures.
Two
is
to
increase
budget
transparency.
Three
is
alignment
of
of
the
commission.
The
Committees
involved
with
the
open
and
public
meetings
Act
and
the
fourth
is
establishment
of
an
official
homeowner
revolving
Loan
account
most
of
the
staff
policy.
Questions
are
focused
on
the
administrative
recommendations,
but
I
wanted
to
draw
your
attention
to
the
two
attachments.
Z
The
first
is
existing
Direct
Delivery
programs
so
because
there
are
10
of
them,
it's
probably
you
may
need
Refresh
on
some
of
the
names
and
and
some
of
the
programs,
so
that's
included
an
attachment,
C1
and
then
attachment
C2.
There
are
the
administration
responses
to
council
staff
questions
on
the
transmittal
those.
Z
Unfortunately,
there
wasn't
time
to
include
those
completely
in
the
staff
report,
but
those
are
also
in
the
staff
report
and
I
can
turn
it
over
now
to
Blake
and
Tammy
for
more
information.
Okay,.
AA
Good
afternoon
and
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
propose
recommendations
for
your
consideration
regarding
new
and
updated
housing
stability
processes
that
will
better
serve
our
city
and
its
residents.
I
just
want
to
quickly
thank
Allison
for
a
detailed
and
accurate
summary
and
Council
staff,
who
are
incredibly
talented
and
have
been
willing
to
get
into
the
weeds
with
us,
as
we've
worked
to
identify
more
transparent,
efficient
and
collaborative
ways
to
bring
our
HUD
program
income
and
other
funds
into
alignment
with
best
practices.
AA
So
thank
you
to
council,
your
staff
and
mayor
Mendenhall
for
being
so
encouraging
of
constant
Improvement
and
maximum
community
and
human
impact
with
our
dollars.
The
administration
and
Council
have
committed
more
than
24
million
dollars
this
fiscal
year
supporting
affordable
housing,
and
we
want
to
ensure
that
any
further
funding
dedicated
to
the
housing
stability
team
and
its
programs
is
done
in
collaboration
with
council,
with
a
cohesive
vision
for
how
to
best
support
our
residents.
AA
Tammy
and
I
are
here
today
to
talk
about
proposed,
updates
to
our
policies
and
procedures,
so
the
council
and
public
can
better
know
what's
happening
and
where
our
City's
housing
dollars
are
invested.
As
Tammy
and
I
have
gotten
our
bearings
and
our
rules,
we've
found
a
need
to
improve
decades
long
practices
realizing.
AA
There
are
better
ways
to
do
this
and
we'd
like
to
do
that
by,
as
I
mentioned,
establishing
formalized
policies
and
procedures
using
those
new
policies
and
procedures
to
ensure
that
any
funding
decisions
are
open
are
subject
to
the
open
and
public
meetings,
act,
improving
budget
transparency
and,
lastly,
proposing
a
revolving
Loan
Fund
for
those
dollars.
That's
subject
to
annual
review
now
on
the
next
slide,
Tammy
will
provide
an
overview
of
Housing
stabilities
Programs
to
set
the
table
for
our
discussion
and
we'll
go
from
there.
T
T
Most
of
the
funding
administered
by
housing,
stability
is
actually
passed
through
to
external
non-profit
organizations
and
other
City
departments.
So,
for
example,
the
road
home
often
receives
rental
assistance
to
house
those
experiencing
homelessness
or
housing.
Stability
provides
funding
to
the
transportation
division
for
bus,
stop
improvements
in
qualifying
neighborhoods
using
cdbg
funding.
So
a
lot
of
the
funding
is
passed
through
to
these
other
organizations.
However,
the
division
does
retain
some
of
the
funding
to
deliver
programs
directly
to
the
public.
T
These
programs
we
have
coined
in
the
transmittal,
we
call
them
the
Direct
Delivery
programs,
so
these
are
Direct
Services
to
Residents
businesses
and
developers
within
the
community.
The
majority
of
these
programs
are
focused
on
expanding
homeownership
opportunities
and
the
Direct
Delivery
programs
are
listed
on
this
slide
in
the
middle
and
I
won't
go
through
all
of
them,
but
just
to
give
you
a
sampling
of
what
these
programs
do.
There
is
the
home
rehabilitation
program
which
provides
funding
to
homeowners
to
address,
dress
health
and
safety
needs
within
their
existing
single-family
homes.
T
The
city
currently
holds
approximately
215
mortgages,
with
19
million
in
outstanding
debt
for
this
program
and
provide
several
mortgages
a
year
to
help
further
home
ownership
opportunities
within
the
city,
and
then
there
is
also
the
Community
Land
Trust,
which
was
authorized
in
2017
through
a
resolution
allowing
the
housing
division
to
sell
properties
at
below
market
rate
single-family
homes.
But
this
program
is
in
effect,
kind
of
functioning
as
an
extension
of
the
homebuyer
program.
When
the
city
issues
a
mortgage
to
a
homeowner
there's
a
buyback
provision
that
allows
the
city
to
buy
the
home
back.
T
So
these
are.
This
is
just
a
sampling
of
the
programs
that
are
offered
by
housing.
Stability,
they've
been
transformational
for
many
families.
There
are
approximately
20
or
not
2012
staff
members
in
the
housing
stability
division
who
are
dedicated
to
delivering
these
Direct
Delivery
programs.
These
staff
members
are
oftentimes
the
interface
between
the
city
and
residents,
who
are
looking
for
solutions
for
housing
stability
next
slide.
Please.
T
The
but
so
the
issues
really
come
down
to
with
the
Direct
Delivery
programs,
they're
long-standing
issues.
The
programs
have
been
off
operating
under
a
certain
way
for
a
lot
of
years,
and
although
they've
had
a
positive
impact
on
residents,
businesses
and
neighborhoods,
we
have
identified
shortcomings
which
are
the
the
purpose
of
today's
briefing.
First,
there's
been
a
historical
lack
of
budget
transparency,
both
with
the
amount
of
funds
available
for
allocation
and
with
the
process
for
allocating
certain
funds
to
certain
programs.
T
Part
of
the
funding
for
the
Direct
Delivery
programs
has
been
allocated
transparently
through
the
annual
HUD
funding
log
process
that
you
all
go
through.
However,
additional
funding
has
been
allocated
through
a
different
part
of
the
budget,
making
it
unclear
to
the
council
about
how
much
funding
was
being
allocated
to
each
program.
T
Second,
while
internal
policies
and
procedures
have
been
utilized
by
housing
stability,
these
procedures
comply
with
Federal
requirements.
Formal
policies
have
not
been
adopted
as
either
part
of
the
administrative
rule
or
through
legislative
action.
So
those
are
the
two
kind
of
concerns
we're
coming
to
you
with
its
budget
and
policy.
If
we
could
go
to
next
slide.
T
T
So
on
this
Slide,
the
top
section
of
the
chart,
the
1.6
million
from
cdbg
and
the
831
000
for
home
that
was
transparently
budgeted
through
the
annual
HUD
funding
log
process
for
the
current
fiscal
year,
20.4
million
the
sum
of
the
amount
on
the
bottom
of
the
table
is
available
for
allocation
pursuant
to
federal
or
other
restrictions
that
may
be
attached
to
the
various
funding
sources.
T
There
is
a
focus
on
the
dormant
Pi
for
cdbg
and
home
and
I
believe.
There's
a
briefing
next
council
meeting
specifically
on
those
funds,
so
I
won't
get
in
to
those.
At
this
time.
Some
of
this
funding
has
accumulated
over
decades.
Other
funding
is
left
over
from
programs
that
are
no
longer
active,
while
the
accumulation
of
the
funding
has
a
long
and
varied
history.
At
the
current
time,
I
think
it's
important
for
the
council
just
to
be
aware
of
the
resources
available
to
allocate
and
combat
the
housing
crisis
and
to
address
other
Community
Development
needs.
T
T
So
current
the
current
Administration
and
staff,
we
have
identified
these
long-standing
practices
and
have
come
up
with
the
four
process,
improvements
that
both
Aunt
Allison
and
Blake
mentioned.
First
establish
formal
policies
and
procedures,
building
off
of
the
internal
policies
and
procedures
that
the
division
is
currently
using.
The
administration
is
recommending
the
adoption
of
formal
policies
and
procedures
as
either
part
of
the
city's
policies
and
procedures
manual
or
through
legislative
action.
This
will
establish
a
common
understanding
between
the
administration,
the
council
and
the
public
from
which
future
budgetarian
policy
decisions
can
be
made.
T
Of
course,
these
policies
will
need
to
comply
with
the
various
federal
and
state
regulations
that
are
attached
to
the
funding
sources.
The
second
process,
Improvement,
is
to
increase
budget
transparency,
and
the
administration
is
recommending
implementing
a
budget
process
in
which
all
budgetary
information
for
each
program
is
clearly
identified
through
the
budget
process.
To
do
this,
we
will
submit
information
to
the
council
that
shows
the
cost
of
the
program,
the
revenues
that
the
program
generates,
as
well
as
ways
to
evaluate
the
program's,
Effectiveness
and
outputs
through
performance
metrics.
T
Essentially,
this
will
ensure
that
the
city
is
making
data
informed
decisions
when
budgeting.
The
third
Improvement
is
to
align
with
the
open
and
public
meetings
act.
Funding
is
currently
allocated
through
internal
loan
committees
that
are
not
public
bodies
created
under
oatma,
because
the
Direct
Delivery
programs
are
not
created
by
Statute
rural
ordinance
or
resolution,
which
is
the
requirement
to
trigger
oatma
through
state
law.
T
So
we
are
looking
into
ways
to
do
that
and
then
finally,
the
establishment
of
a
homeowner
revolving
Loan
Fund,
if
the
cost
centers
that
These
funds
are
administered
through,
are
not
treated
with
a
revolving
Loan
Fund
or
an
rlf
model.
Unencumbered
funds,
including
the
ongoing
accumulation
of
principal
and
interest,
will
obviously
drop
to
fund
balance,
rather
than
acting
as
a
replenishing
source
of
capital
to
further
the
city's
home
ownership
goals.
T
The
city
has
various
rlfs
that
are
these
pools
of
capital,
from
which
loans
can
be
made,
for
example,
there's
the
RDA
Loan
program
and
the
economic
development
loan
fund.
If
there
is
an
rlf
established
for
these
home
ownership
programs,
the
council
would
still
have
the
opportunity
on
an
annual
basis
to
allocate
the
available
budget
for
the
revolving
Loan
Fund
every
year.
T
Oh
actually,
I
will
really
quick.
We
did
add
this
slide,
because
there
have
been
a
lot
of
questions
from
Council
on
the
roles
and
responsibilities
and
coordinating
between
RDA
and
housing
stability
and
really
all
housing
functions
across
the
city.
This
is
a
table
that
was
actually
created
a
couple
of
years
ago
when
we
were
having
similar
discussions,
and
this
is
how
we
laid
out
functions
in
2020
I.
T
Think
for
the
most
part
we
have
been
following
this
table
with
some
exceptions
and
internally
I
think
within
housing,
stability
can
and
I
think
the
RDA
even
thinks
along
these
lines.
The
rdas
programs
are
really
tailored
to
providing
financial
assistance
to
developers
and
what
housing
stability
does
is
providing
that
financial
assistance
directly
to
tenants
and
homeowners.
So
that's
kind
of
a
rough
division
that
the
Administration
has
been
utilizing
thing.
T
AA
Next
slide,
please
thank
you
just
in
conclusion,
the
as
Allison
mentioned
in
the
opening
remarks,
our
Our
Hope
or
intention,
as
the
administration
will
be
to
submit
additional
information
to
you
all
on
the
Direct
Delivery
programs,
as
we
work
to
formalize
the
program
policies,
the
budgeting
procedures,
the
goals,
activities,
conditions
and
approval
processes.
So
we
consider
this
to
be
an
iterative
process
over
time
where
we
evaluate
each
of
these
programs.
We
also
intend
to
inform
decision,
making
and
increase
transparency
during
the
FY
24
budget
process,
with
the
information
that
we've
shared
today
and
then.
AA
Lastly,
Our
intention
is
to
coordinate
housing
funding
and
activities
across
City
divisions
and
departments
to
streamline
and
Target
resources
for
Maximum
Impact,
alluding
to
Tammy's
earlier
comment
about
Data
Tracking.
So
we
can
see
the
outcomes
that
we're
getting
from
these
programs
and
how
have
a
better
sense
of
where
our
investments
are
best
placed.
So
thank
you
for
allowing
us
to
present
and
sure
there
are
no
questions
or
comments,
and
so
simple
here,
but
we're
here.
If
you
need
us.
A
Appreciate
the
that
that
was
actually
a
really
I
thought,
a
very
clear
presentation.
So
thank
you.
Thank
you
for
finding
these
things.
First
of
all,
council
members
questions
just
clip.
L
Councilmer
Dugan
I
remember
when
this
the
housing
roles
and
responsibilities,
we're
in
a
homeowner
is
looking
for
a
loan,
they
weren't
look,
they
would
just
look
for
a
loan
and
we
would
say
where
the
fund
would
come
from,
because
we
had
a
better
idea
of
the
loan.
The
funding
source
on
those
loans.
Is
that
true
or
am
I,
mixing
apples
and
oranges?
L
How
does
the
home
home
buyer
program
work,
yeah
and
and
with
that
revolving
Loan
Fund
that
say
that
20
million
dollar
that's
just
sits
in
one
account
and
then
we
can
pull
from
that
account
to
go
to
different
loan
sources
or
programs.
Excuse
me
right,
yeah.
My
question
is
confusing
because
I'm
probably
confused.
T
He
tells
would
be
worked
out
as
I
think.
If
there
is
a
revolving
Loan
Fund
established,
there
would
be
legislative
policies
attached
to
how
that
Loan
Fund
is
administered
and
how
funds
are
allocated
to
different
programs.
But
I
do
imagine.
There
could
be
a
loan
program
and
on
an
annual
basis,
the
council
could
allocate
available
budget
to
the
different
programs
out
of
the
same
Loan
Fund.
But
we
may
need
Mary
Beth's
expertise
on
that
as
well,
because
there
would
be
accounting
that
would
need
to
take
place
as
well
and.
AA
If
it's
helpful
to
I
think
Tammy
might
have
alluded
to
it,
but
the
program
as
it
exists,
has
Ami
qualifiers
and
different
policies
and
procedures
that
aligned
with
HUD
that
were
being
administered
to
with
our
goal
and
what
we're
presenting
day
today
being
that
administrative
or
legislative
rule,
so
that
it's
aligned
with
the
federal
requirements.
But
we
also
have
the
city
priorities
from
a
council
on
Administration
perspective.
Let's.
A
Say:
I'm
a
Ami,
qualified
home
buyer
and
I'm
interested
in
purchasing
a
home
who,
what
like
do
I,
go
to
a
traditional
mortgage
lender
and
they
say
we
can't
blend
to
you
and
then
I
can
call
the
city,
or
are
we
working
with
mortgage
lenders
that
are
working
out
in
the
community?
How
is
this
program
at
what
point?
Does
a
home
buyer
interface
with
the
city,
and
how
does
that
work
and
are
we
offering
reduced
loans
like
what
is
it
the
benefit
that
we're
providing?
T
Benefit
that
we're
providing-
and
we
will
have
more
detail
on
the
programs
in
the
future,
but
in
general,
it's
below
Market
financing
and
also
financing
that
may
provide
a
mortgage
to
families
that
may
not
otherwise
qualify.
I.
Think
there's
a
risk
assessment.
That's
done
when
evaluating
the
eligibility
of
a
household's
ability
to
obtain
a
mortgage
through
the
city,
but
we
do
I
think
we
are
a
little
bit
more
flexible
in
who
we
will
provide
a
mortgage
to
so
it's
expand.
T
T
T
That
and
I
think
that's
important
to
remember.
There
is
a
lot
of
administration
that
goes
along
with
some
of
these
programs.
It's
not
just
getting
funding
out
of
the
door
and
then
moving
on
to
the
next
project.
Housing
stability
staff
works
every
day
with
families
and
households
accepting
loan
payments
they're.
Actually
administering
these
loans
for
the
life
of
the
loan.
A
There's
higher
risk
involved
in
default,
where
a
Traditional
Bank
would
not
lend
to
them.
Is
that
how,
in
the
cases
where,
unfortunately,
there
is
a
default,
is
that
how
we're
acquiring
this
home
that
then
gets
put
in
the
community?
Land
Trust
we're
repossessing,
or
how
does
what's
the?
What's
that
link.
T
When
there's
a
Buy-Back
provision
like
a
right
of
first
refusal
on
title,
what
I
think
believe
it's
within
the
first
15
years?
So
when
a
homeowner
decides
to
sell
that
house,
the
city
has
the
option
to
repurchase.
The
house
and
they've
been
doing
that.
This
program
has
been
in
operation
for
decades,
so
they've
been
repurchasing
the
house
and
then
reselling
it
to
a
family.
So
it's
not
just
the
homeowner
or
the
potential
homeowners
using
the
city
for
a
mortgage
we're.
T
T
And
the
right
of
first
refusal
in
the
CLT
model,
there's
an
equity
sharing
program
to
keep
it
affordable
in
perpetuity
with
just
the
the
how
the
home
buyer
program
has
been
functioning
historically
I,
don't
believe,
there's
a
restriction
on
the
the
price
that
the
city
would
repurchase.
The
house
at
it
would
I
think
it
would
be
current
appraised
market
price.
L
Dugan
on
that
same
vein,
about
just
on
the
home
buyers,
side
of
the
house
and
you
you
know,
we
have
215
mortgages
out
there
at
19
million
dollars
worth
of
outstanding
debt,
and
you
know
we're
trying
to
have
the
transparency
and
we're
trying
to
be
part
of
the
the
approval
process.
But
each
one
of
those
are
not
coming
to
the
city
council.
Is
it
like?
L
Is
it
the
idea
that
hey
we're
going
to
allocate
x
amount
of
dollars
to
the
home
buyer
program,
and
then
the
Administration
has
a
list
of
priorities
and
a
list
of
check
marks
that
they
need
to
go
through
to
provide
that
loan
at
once
a
year,
because
that
would
be
really
getting
into
the
minutia
if
we're
making
it
was
coming
to
us
for
approval.
A
Just
is
it
something
where
we
anticipate
this
being
like
revolving
Loan
Fund
to
me
sounds
like
there's
just
always
money
available
until
there's
not
but
generally
there's
money
available,
and
when
a
person
asks
for
the
funding,
we
can
go
through
a
process.
Yes,
no!
Yes!
No!
Yes!
No!
If
the
outcome
is
yes,
you
qualify,
then
we
provide
them
the
loan.
It's
not
like
the
nofa
that
the
RDA
does
wear.
T
That
is
to
come.
I
think
the
nofa
process
may
not
translate
to
issuing
mortgages
to
families.
F
F
Thank
you,
I
have
some
questions,
so
it
looks
like
in
one
of
your
slides,
so
you
mentioned
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
doing
the
revolving
Loan
Fund
is
for
home
buyers,
or
is
it
going
to
be
a
all-encompassing
revolving,
Loan,
Fund
and
then
we'll
and
then
we'll
dedicate
to
home
buyers
and
also
to
business?
You
know
like
the
economic
development
one
and
then
because
I
I
feel
confused
that
in
one
of
those
places
it's
just
revolving
non-fat
and
not
home
buyers.
Loan
fund
revolving
long
fund.
T
It
would
be
we
are
proposing
that
it
would
be
like
a
homeownership
revolving
Loan
Fund,
so
it
could
be
funding
for
the
home
repair
program
so
that
that
would
be
for
like
existing
homeowners
that
need
a
critical
home
repair
like,
for
example,
a
senior
homeowner
with
no
other
means
may
need
a
new
furnace,
or
something
like
that.
That's
the
type
of
service
that
the
home
repair
program
provides
they,
depending
on
Ami,
that
will
provide.
T
F
But
it
makes
sense
and
and
the
the
feeding
of
that,
the
feeding
so
whatever
the
money's
coming
from
it's
it's
is
it
general
fund.
Is
it
federal
funds?
Is
that
state
It's,
a
combination
of
everything
to
put
it
in
here,
and
then
we
start
taking
out
and
obviously
the
interest
that
some
of
this
will
generate
goes
back
to
this
to.
T
T
F
Okay,
oh
okay,
another
two,
more
questions,
the
other
one
was
as
we
decide:
okay,
here's
who's
going
to
do
the
housing,
here's
going
to
do
the
repairs
and
he
was
going
to
do
Economic
Development
cdbg,
it's
kind
of
in
like
you
can
do
both
homeownership
related
stuff
and
also
Economic
Development.
Are
we
planning
on
splitting
them
those
as
well
so
that
Economic
Development
actually
does
economic
development
stuff
with
cdbg
money?
And
then
housing
does
housing
stuff
or
or
are
you
also
going
to
administer
the
economic
development
ones
for
cdbg.
F
T
But
they
do
that
in
close
coordination
with
economic
development.
There
are
a
lot
of
Hud
regulations
that
need
to
be
followed
with
all
of
this
funding
well
with
the
HUD
funding.
So
even
when
housing
stability
acts
as
a
pass-through,
there's
very
specific
requirements
that
must
be
followed
in
terms
of
environmental
review,
Section,
3,
Davis
bacon,
so
housing
stability
staff
is
closely
involved.
Even
if
money
is
passed
through
to
a
different
department
or
a
different
organization,
it
makes
sense
and
that
will
need
to
continue
to
happen.
They're
the
experts
on
those
processes.
F
T
We
will
get
into
the
briefing
next
week
on
the
dormant
program
income.
We
are
working
with
HUD
to
retain
and
use
the
funding
in
the
community.
It
will
require
an
amendment
to
The
Five-Year
Consolidated
plan.
Okay,
the
we
are
working
with
HUD
on
the
14
million
in
dormant
program
income.
We
have
a
briefing
on
it
next
week,
so
we
can
get
in
Greater
detail,
but
it
will
require
a
substantial
amendment
to
The
Five-Year
Consolidated
plan
to
use
the
funding
so
we'll
have
to
identify
eligible
activities
and
uses
update.
The
plan
submit
it
to
HUD.
H
A
Okay,
I
wanted
to
bring
up
a
oh
go
ahead:
councilman
Feller
Larry,
because
I'm
going
to
change
the
topic.
So,
oh,
if
it's
related
yeah.
J
There's
lots
of
relatedness
okay
go
ahead,
go
ahead!
Thank
you.
Okay!
Well,
so
I
don't
even
know
where
to
start
right
now.
But
let
me
start
here
with
the
idea
of
the
Community
Land
Trust,
when
the
it
sounds
to
me
like
in
part,
it
is
HUD
funded.
Is
that
correct.
J
T
I
believe
that's
a
mix
of
the
various
sources
being
HUD
other
local,
some
of
those
funds
that
are
no
longer
used.
They
it's
complicated,
but
it's
a
mix
of
the
funds.
AB
Dad
and-
and
these
guys
have
been
great
to
to
dig
into
the
weeds
with
Allison
on
this
and
with
the
rest
of
us
too,
but
sometimes
there
are
federal
funds
that
exist
and
then
once
that
program
is
closed
out,
then
they're
not
considered
federal
funds
anymore.
So
that's
why
it's
a
little
bit
harder
for
Tammy
to
answer
that
so.
J
At
some
point,
maybe
it
was
a
HUD
money
and
you
had
to
go
through
some
amount
of
Regulation
and
then
that
program
ended.
And
so
then
we
had
money
that
maybe
not
isn't
necessarily
subjected
to
the
same
regulations,
because
it's
kind
of
like
if
I
may
inlay
terms
it
kind
of
falls
to
the
general
fund.
If
you
will.
T
J
And
I
know
that
this
is
like
deep
in
the
weeds
and
you
guys
have
been
working
on
it
for
a
long
time.
Thank
you,
I
want
to
First
just
say,
thank
you
to
Tammy
and
Blake,
because
I've
been
asking
these
questions
since
I've
been
on
the
council.
So
thank
you,
but
I
do
want
to
kind
of
get
just
a
little
bit
more
into
the
weeds
just
a
tad
bit
so
with
the
Community
Land
Trust,
who
decides
which
properties
to
acquire
what?
What
process
process
does
that
go
through.
T
It
has
been
since
it
is
linked
to
the
homebuyer
program,
so
say:
there's
a
home
out
there
and
under
the
homebuyer
program,
it's
still
within
the
15
years
of
the
right
of
first
offer
the
homeowner
decides
to
sell.
They
have
to
go
to
the
city
first
and
ask
if
we
want
to
purchase
it
I
think
oftentimes.
We
do
move
forward
if,
if
there's
budget
available
and.
J
T
Misunderstand
that
no
over
time,
so
the
homebuyer
program
has
been
operating
for
decades.
The
city
used
to
build
some
of
these
homes
I
think
that's
originally
how
it
started.
We
would
build
or
buy,
and
then
rehab
package,
that
with
a
home
buyer,
it
used
to
be
first
time
home,
buyer.
Now,
it's
just
a
home
buyer
if
it's
a
qualifying
home
buyer
and
sell
those
homes.
So
there's
a
big
pool
of
those
homes
out
there
so
as
they're
being
sold,
we're
repurchasing
them.
T
The
city
did
recently
build
to
homes,
but
we
understand
very
much
that
there's
a
division
now
housing
stability
is
not
doing
any
more
development.
Okay,
so.
J
T
T
But
can
I
add
one
piece
of
information:
the
we
don't
just
buy
back
the
home
oftentimes.
There
has
to
be
budget
allocated
to
rehab
the
home
to
get
it
up
to
standards
to
resell
it.
So
there
there
is
a
process
there.
Okay,.
J
I'd
like
to
at
another
time,
probably
sit
down
and
talk
with
you
guys
about
this
when
the
like
mortgage
comes
in
and
the
interest
comes
in
to
the
like.
Let's
say
all
of
the
interest
comes
back
to
the
Community
Land
Trust,
even
if
that's
like
a
very
low
amount
of
interest,
that
money
is
then
using
not
I'm
trying
to
is
then
not
subjected
to
the
HUD
requirements
right
so,
for
example,
it
is,
it
is
still
so,
even
if
it
comes
back
through
a
HUD
reason
that
it
was
out
there,
then
it
come.
T
And
it
the
dormant
Pi
accumulated,
because
we
were
keeping
additional
Pi
program
income.
We
have
corrected
that
practice
and
so
now
program
income
is
reported
on
an
annual
basis
back
to
HUD.
So
it's
basically
included
now
in
the
next
funding
round
of
federal
grants.
Okay.
J
Z
I
ask
I'm
sorry,
council
member,
so
that's
true
of
the
homeowner
program,
but
that's
not
true
of
all
the
funds
that
were
previously
allocated
from
HUD
right.
Some
of
those
are
now
no
longer
subject
to
hood.
That's.
J
T
Yes
and
we've
been
recapturing
and
putting
the
program
income
back
into
the
funding
cycle.
So
if
the
council
is
supportive
of
the
administration
looking
into
a
revolving
Loan
Fund,
we
as
an
Administration
would
work
with
Mary
Beth
and
figure
out
a
proper
way
to
structure
that
some
of
the
mortgages
were
provided
with
funds
that
don't
have
restrictions.
So
we
would
have
to
look
at
at
those
details
and
propose
a.
J
J
Now
it
is
so
it
would
go
again,
I'm
sort
of
calling
it
The
general
fund,
but
I'm,
calling
it
like
the
HUD
money,
the
HUD
money
general
fund,
it
files
back
into
that.
Then,
when
we
go
through
the
process
of
non-profits
and
service
providers
coming
to
us
and
saying
we
have
money,
then
we
can
say:
oh,
we
have
this
Pi
fund
that
can
supplement
some
of
these
things
that
we're
not
we're
feeling
that
we
can't
fund
because
we're
out
of
money
we're
now
doing.
We
can
now
have
this
correct.
J
Okay,
that's
helpful
to
me
and
and
I'll
say,
because
I
I
don't
know
that
we
should
be
in
the
business
of
providing
services.
There's
enough
people
out
there
providing
services
and
every
year
that
we
do
the
HUD
money
grant
stuff.
I
think.
Why
is
the
city
taking
all
of
this
when
there's
other
services
out
there,
I'm
not
saying
that
we
shouldn't
do
this
right
now,
it's
simply
like
there
are
other
non-profits
that
are
do
providing
a
lot
of
the
services
here.
J
That
I
just
want
to
take
a
look
at
and
say:
are
we
the
people
that
are
in
the
business
of
providing
the
service?
Are
we
the
people
that
are
in
the
business
of
helping
fund
those
people
that
know
what
they're
doing
and
providing
the
service
so
I
thought
that
was
a
really
long
way
to
get
there.
Thank
you
Mr
chair,
but
thank
you.
X
Yeah
I
didn't
see
so:
housing
stability,
okay,
we're
gonna,
be
getting
a
transmittal
about
the
mayor's
proposed
Perpetual
housing
fund.
I
assume
that
that'll
be
in
housing.
Stability
as
well.
X
Okay,
then,
you
probably
won't
be
able
to
answer
my
next
question,
which
is
how
does
all
of
this
relate
to
the
mayor's
proposed?
Perpetual
housing,
loan
or
Perpetual
housing
fund
I.
A
X
Then
I'll
just
preemptively,
say
I
think
that
we'll
probably
have
a
lot
of
the
same
questions
about
the
transparency
of
that
and
making
sure
that
there's,
like
appropriate
oversight
on
that
as
well,
but
I'll.
Just
so.
A
We've
been
talking
about
this
for
a
long
time,
but
we
are
still
ahead
of
time,
and
our
next
item
is
a
break,
so
I
want
to
change
like
I
want
to
talk
about
one
other
thing
that
came
up
with
this
is
which
was
in
the
past.
We've
been
saying:
okay,
RDA
does
development
housing
stability
does
programs
or
does
serve
whatever.
A
A
A
Is
that
I
want
to
kind
of
discuss
that
with
the
council
and
see?
If,
if
we
like
that,
because
in
that
case,
I'm
wondering
if
something
like
the
rdas
nine
line,
West
Side
Community
initiative,
slash
nine
line,
Adu,
affordable,
Adu
financing
program
is
better
suited
to
be
handled
in
housing
stability,
even
though
I
know
that's
RDA
money.
So
there's
like
some
shell
game
that
maybe
needs
to
happen.
A
I
don't
know,
but
that
we've
asked
the
RDA
to
do
some
things
that
really
are
relating
to
an
individual,
homeowner
or
person,
and
if
that's
the
distinction
that
we
agree
with,
do
we
need
to
revisit.
Is
that
the
distinction
we
agree
with
and
then
do
we
need
to
revisit
some
of
those
things
on
both
ends?
Councilmember
Fowler
thank.
J
You
I
think
you
are
hitting
one
of
my
points
right
on
the
head
and
that
is
I
I,
don't
disagree
that
that
hand
and
housing
stability
may
be
the
right
place
to
to,
which
is
why
we
did
this
to
crew,
to
to
advance
programs,
but
some
of
the
things
within
what
we're
looking
at
aren't
necessarily
programs,
and
that's
why
I
was
going
back
to
saying
there
isn't
this
more.
In
my
opinion,
we've
talked
about
this
in
when
we
talk
about
homelessness
right
or
we
talk
about
it.
J
J
If
the
city
didn't
take
1.6
million
dollars
of
cdbg,
we
could
have
put
1.6
million
dollars
into
programs
that
are
doing
this
already
and
that
are
there,
and
maybe
that's
where
that
interface
with
the
community
comes
from
is
reaching
out
to
those
non-profits
or
those
organizations
that
are
already
doing
it
and
have
more
boots
on
the
ground
than
us.
Reinventing
the
wheel,
I.
A
And
I
I,
yes,
I,
agree
with
that
and
I
think
I
see
it
as
two
separate
questions.
First,
should
we
be
doing
this
at
all?
If
the
answer
is
yes,
then,
are
we
interfacing
with
a
homeowner
or
a
developer
or
business,
and
it,
and
is
that
the
question
that
answers
which
department
does
that
specific
program?
If
we're,
if
the
answer
to
your
question
is
no,
then
the
second
question
is
irrelevant
because
we're
putting
that
money
out
to
a
private
non-profit
to
do
that
work.
A
But
if
we
decide
no,
the
city
is
the
right
place
to
do
it.
Should
it
be
on
those
lines
of
here's,
the
demographic
that
this
department
works
with
here's,
the
demographic
that
this
department
works
in
here's,
the
demographic
of
this
department
works
with
I
like
that,
but
I
want
to
come
from
about
the.
F
Most
I
have
a
question
so
let's
say
the
second
example
of
cdbg
so
that
every
year
we
you
know
the
city
Administration
works
on
asking
for
cdvg
funds,
and
then
we
take
some.
We
go
through
all
of
the
processes
and
we
decide.
Okay,
this
portion
of
CDG
will
be
administered
by
the
city
and
administration
and
then
these
other
portion
is
going
to
be
given
out
to
a
non-profit.
F
So
the
cdbg
funds,
like
the
Hat
regulations,
does
it
have
to
are
we
the
pass
through?
Is
a
city
the
pass
through
of
cdvg?
Yes,
okay,
so
okay,
then
so
I?
So
yes,
then
we
should
be
doing
this,
but
maybe
the
question
is:
if
we're
the
pass
through,
then
the
question
is
we
we
take
it
and
we
give
it
out,
but
we
don't
do
anything
we're
just
the
pass
through
or
we
just
don't
participate
at
all
like
we
just
don't
ask
for
that
money
right.
J
J
AD
J
That
right,
but
enough
a
process
certainly
is
the
right
thing
when
we
have
like
here
are
your
ex
requirements
for
a
new
development
or
a
rehab
project
or
whatever
it
may
be,
that
comes
through
the
RDA
right,
so
I
just
don't
think
that
again,
we
need
to
be
maybe
Reinventing
all
of
the
programs.
There's
people
out
there
that
do
it
already,
let's
just
find
them
better.
A
Could
I
I
mean
if
that,
if
the
answer
to
that
question
is
always
no,
we
shouldn't
be
doing
it.
We
should
do
that.
Then.
The
second
question
is
irrelevant.
So
I
guess
my
assumption
is
that
there
are
some
programs
that
the
city
should
be
doing,
but
maybe
I'm
wrong
and
that's
the
first
question
we
need
to
answer.
Could.
Z
I
ask
for
maybe
a
clarification
from
Blake
and
Tammy
on
something
that
council
member
mothers
mentioned.
So
the
cdbg
money
is
not
expended
directly
by
the
cap
by
the
whatever
the
rest
of
the
government's
called
sorry
is
not
directly
spent
by
housing.
Stability.
T
So
that
was
what
I
was
trying
to
depict
on
the
slide
with
the
the
chart.
So
housing
stability
is
the
grant
administrator
for
the
funds,
like
the
oversight
of
the
block
grants
directly
from
HUD.
So
there's
reporting
requirements
allocation
plans,
a
lot
of
requirements.
Part
of
the
funding
is
pass
through
to
external
organizations.
For
example,
I
use
the
example
of
the
road
home
for
tenant-based
rental
assistance.
We
provide
the
money
to
the
road
home,
there's
reporting
requirements
back
to
us.
T
We
also
there's
Capital
Improvements,
like
with
transportation
and
Engineering
using
funds,
but
then
housing
stability
also
is
awarded
some
of
the
funds
through
the
Federal
grant
the
funding
log
process
and
utilizes
other
budget
to
Carry
Out
programs
directly
to
homeowners,
businesses
and
developers.
So.
F
AA
And
just
to
give
an
example
similar
to
the
road
home
so
that
you
have
context
in
the
internal
and
external
Partners,
something
like
the
SLC
divisions,
the
capital
projects
that
could
be
a
project
like
bus
shelters
that
the
city
is
awarded
to
partner
with
UTA
on
and
Implement.
Just
to
give
you
an
example.
F
AD
F
Way
but
but
if
we
had
a
rental
assistant,
let's
say
we
have
a
rental,
let's
say
we're
going
to
offer
rental
assistance,
so
we
have
one
staff
at
the
city
that
deals
with
people
that
need
rental
assistance,
but
we
know
that
there
is
the
road
home
that
also
that's
rental,
assistance,
I'm
sure,
but
it
just.
Then
why
are
we
both
doing
rental
assistance?
That's.
P
A
So
and
it's
okay,
that's
a
good
question.
I
think
the
fundamental
one,
fundamental
role
of
housing
stability
is
to
administer
the
federal
grants,
and
that
is
a
non-negotiable.
That
is
our
mandate.
We
must
do
that
as
the
municipality
right,
so
absolutely
that
work
needs
to
be
done
and
that
is
currently
going
to
some
internal
things
within
both
housing
ability
and
other
City
departments
and
divisions,
as
well
as
an
outside
nonprofits.
So
the
question
that
we're
really
asking
is:
are
those
ones
that
we're
keeping
should
we
keep
them
right?
A
AE
X
Two
things
we
have
that
our
housing
SLC
plan
and
I
think
that
all
of
these
things
that
we're
talking
about
have
have
been
an
extension
of
that
Council
adopted
plan.
So
I
think
we
would
have
to
have
a
new
housing
plan
and
then,
second
of
all,
we're
I
feel
being
increasingly
local.
Governments
are
being
asked
by
the
state
to
take
on
housing
as
an
issue
and
to
come
up
with
their
own
plans.
So
I,
don't
I
would
just
say
that
I
I
think
that
there
are
pre.
X
X
Yeah
yeah!
Yes,
so
for
me
the
those
are
I
think
that's
how
we
got
Where
We,
Are
and
I
I
want
to
I'm
happy
to
have
the
conversation
as
well,
but
to
answer
the
question:
I
think
that's
how
we
got
to
where
we
are
and
that's
what
keeps
pushing
me
to
keep
to
to
want
to
keep
furthering
these
kinds
of
programs
with
the
city.
AA
Which
is
I
think
relevant
to
this
conversation,
the
thriving
in
place
plan
as
part
of
that
exercise,
as
we're
kind
of
in
the
final
drafting
stages,
is
what
programs
are
being
recommended.
You
know
tenant
relocation,
assistance
program
or
policies
or
whatever
that
looks
like,
and
part
of
that
has
been
an
exercise
of
what
programs
exist
already
in
the
community,
where
it
would
be
best
served
to
pass
money
through
versus
something
that
doesn't
exist
or
would
need
to
be
a
program
delivered
by
the
city
so
just
wanted
to
share.
AA
O
This,
this
short
so
I,
you
know
and
I,
remember
and
I,
was
looking.
You
know
to
some
of
the
funding
that
was
requested
through
cbdg
last
year
and
never
works
as
a
good
example
of
an
organization
that
has
not
only
the
track
record,
but
the
experience-
and
you
know
the
also
the
knowledge
and
the
the
know-how
of
Housing
and
all
of
these
things
and
I-
remember
the
they
applied
for
for
over
three
hundred
thousand
dollars
in
in
funding
and
it
wasn't
recommended,
but
this
console
gave
them
some
of
the
money.
O
I
think
this
is
a
good
example
of
something
that
it
is
being
done
there
and
is
being
done
well,
and
maybe
we
should
figure
out
how
to
fund
it
when
they
come
come
for
that
money,
but
I
just
wanted
to
you
know,
bring
that
up
a
little
example
of
this,
because
I
think
it
was
more
about
Theory.
You
know,
but
this
is
a
specific
example
of
unable
works
that
is
working
very
hard
on
housing
and
we
couldn't
fully
fund
them
this
year.
I.
L
Yeah
so
I
appreciate
the
reason
why
we're
here
early
on
was
because
we
didn't
really
have
a
very
good
process
and
a
transparency
to
20
million
dollars,
and
we
kind
of
figured
that
out
so
I
appreciate
the
digging
through
and
investigating
and
coming
up
with
a
solution
here,
I
mean
we
got
into
a
deep
conversation
here
on
on
a
side
track
from
what
the
original
intent
was
hey.
We
had
a
problem.
L
We
have
come
up
with
a
solution
and
part
of
that
solution
is
making
sure
that
it's
transparent
and
that
the
city
council
is
part
of
the
decision-making
body
and
not
just
a
a
sideshow.
So
we
want
to
be
part
of
that
decision
making
body
and
we
want
to
make
sure
it's
transparent
and
that
we
have
a
good
process
in
place
so
that
we
don't
end
up
in
10
years
being
back
at
the
same
spot,
going
what
the
hell
happened.
L
So
thank
you
very
much
for
the
discussion.
Thank
you
very
much
for
this
coming
up
with
potential
solutions
to
it
appreciate
it.
Thank
you.
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A
Let's
get
started
again.
Thank
you,
council
members
for
coming
back
on
time.
We're
on
item
number.
Eight
number
eight
is
our
follow-up
discussion
on
the
accessory
dwelling
unit
text
amendments
I
do
think
we
still
have
a
lot
to
talk
about
we'll
have
Brian
Fulmer
Council
policy
analyst
here
to
give
us
a
brief
introduction.
We
have
Nick
Norris
and
Michael
McNamee
from
the
planning
division
available
to
assist
us
in
this
discussion.
AC
Go
ahead,
Brian.
Thank
you.
Mr
chair.
This
is
a
follow-up
to
the
January
17
2023
accessory
dwelling
unit
or
Adu
briefing.
During
that
briefing,
the
council
discussion
was
primarily
focused
on
the
following
five
topics:
off-street
parking,
maximum
Adu
size
and
owner
occupancy
requirement
required
setbacks
and
whether
to
keep
the
conditional
use
requirement,
a
series
of
optional
straw
polls
is
at
each
of
your
places
and
included
on
pages
one
and
two
of
the
council
staff
report.
AC
AC
A
First,
thank
you
for
reminding
us
that
we
have
a
public
hearing
tonight
on
this.
So
as
we
discuss
this
I
think
it
is
important
for
us
to
say
where
our
minds
are
at
and
discuss
like
if
we
have
where,
where
each
of
the
council
members
are
and
I,
think
that's
good
to
give
the
public
that
information
so
that
when
they
come
to
our
public
hearing,
they
can
address
some
of
those
specific
things
that
we
are
still
deliberating.
A
Obviously,
as
with
any
public
hearing,
we
say
these
are
straw
polls,
as
with
any
straw
poll
and
anytime,
there's
a
public
hearing
that
public
hearing
may
change
our
mind
entirely
from
what
we.
What
we
quote
unquote
vote
in
these
drop
polls,
so
I
just
want
to
put
that
out
there
for
the
public
that
that
we're
still
very
much
discussing-
and
these
are
the
five
things
that
we're
currently
still
trying
to
see
where
we
land
on
obviously
come
tonight-
tell
us
anything
that
you
want
to
tell
us
about
the
ad
ordinance.
A
A
J
Ahead,
do
you
do
we
just
sort
of
plan
on
going
down
this.
A
I
would
like
to
go
through
this
list
first
because
they're,
the
ones
that
were
identified
at
the
last
and
if
we
still
have
time
at
the
end
and
other
counselors
want
to
bring
up
additional
things.
I
would
like
to
do
those
at
the
end
of
after
we
can
get
to
at
least
some
sort
of
idea
of
at
least
we
all
know
what
we're
talking
about.
With
these
five
things.
A
Paying
attention
I
apologize,
I
think
I
did
so.
Thank
you
for
the
question.
So
I
think
we
should
just
go
down
the
list
if
that's
okay,
Brian,
so
the
first
one
is
parking
and
the
way
that
I
see
this
issue
is
that
okay,
adus
in
all
cases,
are
required
to
provide
one
additional
off
Street
Parking
Spot.
There
are
five
exceptions
to
that
that
are
listed
in
the
proposed
ordinance
and
these
three
and
it
sounds
like
there
are
three
to
my
recollection
of
the
conversation.
J
Sorry,
quick
question
just
to
remind
me
a
a
minimum
of
one
off
street
parking
space.
That's
not
in
addition
to
it.
A
Is
in
addition
to
what's
required
for
the
primary
dwelling?
So
if
your
zoning
District
requires
you
to
have
two
off
street
parking
spaces,
you
need
one
additional
to
build
the
Adu,
but
there
were
those
five
ways
you
can
get,
that
that
requirement
waived
and
that's
what
we
need
to
decide
whether
we
want
to
keep
those
or
remove
them,
and
the
three
that
I
remember
the
first
one
I
remember
is
quarter
mile
of
a
Transit.
Stop
if
you.
A
L
Yeah
I
I
understand
the
desire,
because
I'm
all
about
the
Clean
Air
and
all
about
using
public
transportation
is
I
kind
of
sometimes
look
at
and
we've
had
this
discussion
about.
You
know
the
chicken
and
egg.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
we
have
a
robust
public
transportation
system
and
we
don't
we're
not
there
yet
across
the
city
and
then
across
a
number
of
cities,
city,
streets
and
so
I
have
I
have
trouble
with
that
one.
L
Just
because
of
that,
the
the
services
are
not
where
they
need
to
be
for
people
to
use
public
transportation
on
a
reliable
basis,
but
I
also
understand
that
we
can't
get
there
unless
we
have
the
demand
for
those
buses
and
transportation,
so
I'm
I'm
on
the
I'm
still
deciding.
If
that
is
a
hard
requirement
or
not
for
the
quarter
mile,
the
bust
councilman
feature
I.
E
Think
the
data
we've
already
collected
demonstrates
that
the
people
most
interested
in
actually
executing
on
adus
are
people
around
Liberty
Park
and
we're
trending
towards
smaller
lot
sizes.
This
is
an
onerous
barrier
potentially
for
the
lot
sizes
that
we're
talking
about
who
tend
to
actually
use
adus.
So
for
once
we're
on
opposite
sides
and
I'm
all
for
the
not
designated
parking.
A
A
X
So
I
also
have
concerns
just
because
the
the
unique
problems
of
having
the
very
very
small
blocks
in
small
streets
in
the
Avenues
and
the
steepness
of
the
inclines
in
Avenues.
So
so
my
I
have
two
things
and
it's
not.
The
small
lots
are
an
issue
in
any
historic
area
of
my
district,
so
that
would
be
from
Guadalupe
to
marmalade,
to
Avenues
and
I'm
still
concerned
about
an
ability
of
a
person
that
has
potential
Mobility
challenges.
Being
able
to
do
that.
X
However,
I
am
more
concerned
about
the
bike.
I,
don't
think
that
the
bike
lane
like
solves
that
concern,
so
that's
a
bigger
issue.
That's
that's
a
separate
thing.
I
know
I'm,
just
saying,
though
it
I'm
I
have
a
little
bit
of
an
issue,
keeping
the
quarter
mile
Transit,
but
the
for
me.
The
bigger
issue
is
the
bike:
okay,
exception.
A
J
A
O
O
So
I
just
wanted
to
add
a
little
piece
of
that
I
I
think
is
driving
my
decision
making
in
many
of
these
things,
but
to
me
is
the
impact
I
mean
removing
barriers
for
adus.
Is
you
know
the
is
key
on
this
and
what
is
driving
me
and
then
the
second
one
is
no
adding
barriers,
the
barriers
that
increase
the
cost
of
building
ideas.
O
F
I
would
like
to
add
to
that,
like
my
reasoning
as
well
for
this,
it
almost
feels
like
we,
you
know
and
I
understand
where
we
live
and
as
a
planner
and
with
blending
Division
and
someone
who
struggled
with
this.
You
know
idea,
and
this
hope
that
will
leave
the
car
one
day
aside
and
will
you
know,
will
rely
more
on
our
feet
and
or
on
public
transportation
or
other
means
other
than
the
car?
So
it's
always
I'm
torn
usually
because
of
these
decisions,
but
at
the
same
time
we
are.
F
We
have
I'm
looking
at
this
Adu
moras
from
the
housing
crisis
lens,
so
I'm
thinking
Okay.
So
it's
more
so
for
some
or
for
this
decision
is
it
more
important
to
have
a
parking
spot
that
an
Adu
or
somebody
can
live
in
and
to
me,
the
answer:
if
I
have
to
answer
that
question,
it's
clear
I'd
rather
have
the
Adu
where
somebody
can
live
in
than
having
the
parking
spot
in
that
commodity.
F
A
A
L
Very
similar,
but
one
is
using
public
transportation
one's
using
a
bike
in
the
bike.
Lanes
anyone
could
have
enough
bike.
Lanes
we're
gonna,
have
neighborhood
byways
passes
and
they're
all
going
to
be
within
half
a
mile
of
every
place,
and
people
can't
aren't
using
their
bicycle
to
get
to
work
all
went
along
hot
summer
months,
and
so
that
portion
is
not
there
they're
using
the
bikes
for
more
exercise
and
more
leisurely,
and
not
for
public,
not
for
transportation
to
and
from
a
work
in
the
environment.
So
that's
not
gonna.
Just
because
I
have
a
bike.
L
L
It's
more
succinct
is
that
we
we
remove
the
exception
about
the
one
half
mile
within
a
bike
lane
any
discussion.
A
A
A
E
A
Okay,
let's
stay
on
track.
The
the
third
one
related
to
parking
that
I
understand
to
be
a
point
of
discussion
is
whether
or
not
if
you
have
uninterrupted,
curb
directly
in
front
of
your
house
long
enough
to
park
a
car
two
City
standards.
Does
that
accept
you
from
requiring
an
off
street
parking
spot?
And
we
discussed
this
last
time
who
did
which.
A
It
might
be
on
that
list,
so
I
actually
am
going
to
vote
with
council
member
well,
which
with
where
I
assume
councilmember,
Dugan
and
Wharton,
are
on
this,
but
for
very
different
reasons,
and
my
reasoning
is
because
we
all
just
voted
on
the
off
street
parking
ordinance.
One
of
the
things
we
did
in
that
was,
we
removed
any
exceptions
for
on-street
parking
and
in
when
I
was
on
Planning
Commission
and
when
we
discussed
it
in
Council.
A
My
understanding
was
that
the
reason
we
were
limiting
that
was
because
it's
hard
to
it's
it's
hard
to
administer.
I,
also
think
it
leads
to
individuals
saying
well
that
spot
in
front
of
my
house
is
mine
and
you
neighbor
may
not
park
in
that
and
I.
Don't
like
that,
and
so
I
am
okay,
removing
this
exception,
but
for
I
think
different
reasons,
then,
but
maybe
they're.
The
same
reason
I
don't
know,
but
that's
where
I'm
I.
X
Support
that
reason,
but
again
like
there
are
parts
of
my
district
historic
districts
that
with
no
driveways,
because
there
were
no
cars
and
where
houses
are
so
close
together
that
they
touch-
and
there
is
not
enough
room
for
people
to
park
successfully
now
and
I
worry
about
adding
to
that.
So
I
am
voting.
X
The
way
that
you're
voting
at
because
of
the
we
can't
change
these
things
about
these
neighborhoods
because
of
the
the
historic
houses.
A
O
So
I,
you
know,
I
understand
this
and
I.
You
know
I
driven
through
some
of
these
streets,
and
there
is
I
mean
I've,
been
in
Denver
many
times,
and
we
know
many
parts
of
Denver
are
very
complicated
to
park
and
you
have
to
walk.
You
know
like
a
long
time
to
to
find
some
parking,
but
I
I
also
want
to
make
sure
that
we
remember
that
many
of
these
neighborhoods
that
we
are
worried
about
are
not
going
to
most
likely
get
adus.
O
O
So
basically
we
are
thinking
about
these
neighborhoods
specific
parts
of
the
of
the
city,
but
you
know
it's
the
likeliness
that
there
is
going
to
be
many
adus
in
this
in
the
street
and
that
is
going
to
change
the
whole
shape
of
you
know
that
you
know
that
street
and
we're
going
to
have
dozens
of
extra
cars
or
even
two
or
more
three
more
cars
is
very
unlikely
and
removing
the
exception.
Again.
O
You
know
it
applies
to
parts
of
my
town,
my
my
district,
that
could
benefit
from
these
exceptions,
so
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we
remember
that
this
these
rules
apply.
You
know
that
we
are
trying
to
preempt
a
problem
that
might
not
exist.
It
might
not
happen
and-
and
the
City
showed
us
with
data,
that
these
problems
don't
exist.
X
If
there
were
a
way
to
write
this
so
that
it
that
areas
where
there
are
larger
blocks
and
is
more
spaces
between
houses
had
a
different,
there
was
some
way
to
adjust
that
that
would
make.
That
would
work
for
me
because
I
don't
want
to
my.
You
know
my
no
vote
to
take
away
from
areas
in
your
neighborhoods
that
could
accommodate
those
cars,
but
I.
Don't
have
that
option
in
front
of
me
and
I,
don't
know
how
to
craft
that
option
and
I
don't
know
how
to
do
that
either
and.
X
It's
not
that
it's
that
parking
is
already
stopping
people
from
being
able
to
live
in
the
area.
So
it's
not
about
adding
many
cars
but
adding
like
any
more
cars.
It's
already
not
working,
so
I
wish
that
I
didn't
you
know,
have
to
like
take
something
away
from
the
residents
that
have
that
option
or
the
neighborhoods
that
have
more
space.
But
there's
no
way
for
me
to
do
that.
X
J
Mr
chair
to
that
point,
I'm
wondering
because
you
brought
up
a
good
point
before
I
had
to
run
out
real
quick,
but-
and
there
are
many
neighborhood
many
areas
within
my
district.
Similarly,
that
just
don't
have
driveways
and
so
I
wonder
if
we
could
cred
to
your
point
craft,
something
that
says
you
know
if
there
isn't
a
driveway
you
have
to
provide,
there
has
to
somehow
be
a
spot.
I,
don't
know
what
that
looks
like
either,
but
I
can
see
the
concern
both
sides
of
me
and
I
know.
A
Things
the
way
I
see
it
is.
This
exception
is
helpful
in
cases
where
it
would
be
geometrically
very
difficult
to
provide
that
off
free
parking
spot
and
that
I'm
arguing
your
point.
So
so,
in
the
case
where
there
are
larger
Lots,
it's
not
going
to
be
that
hard
for
them
to
provide
the
off
street
parking
spot.
So
I'm,
okay,
saying
that
that
larger
lot.
Yes,
it
may
have
enough
space
in
front
of
their
property
to
park
a
car,
but
it
probably
also
has
enough
space,
and
so
so
they
can
do
an
off
street
parking
spot.
A
A
E
I
feel,
like
the
other
point
to
be
made
here,
is
that
the
lower
Avenues
probably
is
under
similar
gentrification
pressures
that
Rose
Park
is
under,
and
you
probably
have
homeowners
there
holding
on
with
their
fingernails
to
a
generational,
real
estate,
investment
for
whom
an
Adu
could
potentially
provide
a
vibrant
Lifeline
to
maintaining
housing
for
their
family.
Generationally,
yes,
and
so
I,
don't
want
to
inadvertently
shut
the
door
and
that
because
we
didn't
get
creative
thinking
about
parking
in
this
moment.
Thank
you
so,
but
it's
attention
that
is
difficult
to
balance
right
now.
Thank.
X
You
because
I
would
point
out
I
mean
these
are
the
areas
of
the
city
where
we
point
to
and
say:
there's
been
an
Adu
here
for
50
years
or
a
hundred
years
and
there's
a
way
to
make
it
work.
So
you
know
people
in
the
lower
Avenues
are
prepared
to
have
adus.
We
have
houses
that
are
stacked
on
each
other,
full
houses
and
in
marmalade
as
well.
X
So
it's
not
that
people
are
opposed
to
to
that
dense
to
that
density,
but
there
there
has
to
be
a
way
to
make
it
work
and
I
don't
feel
like
this.
This
particular
parking
requirement
is
conducive
to
making
it
work.
Thank
you.
F
A
O
Well,
this
is
obviously
a
larger
game
that
I
one
of
the
reasons
why
I
didn't
go
to
law
school
but
I.
So
now
the
question
is:
can
to
me:
can
we
figure
out
a
way
to?
Is
there
a
way
to
find
an
answer
to
these
questions
that
were
brought
up
here
like
other
ways
to
like
segregate
some
parts
of
town
or
not?
Is
that
doable
and
by
do
over
instead
of
you
know,
can
we
make
segregation?
AF
I
I
can
provide
some
context
on
some
of
these
older
areas
that
found
ways
to
make
it
work,
and
the
way
that
made
it
work
is
that
our
zoning
didn't
regulate
these
things
it
allowed.
It
I
mean
that's
just
the
truth
right.
We
didn't
have
a
parking
ordinance
until
the
50s,
so
anything
built
prior
to
that
was
providing
parking
on
their
own
merits
without
any
City
requirement.
AF
So
if
you
have
a
lower
Avenues
where
the
predominant
development
occurred
prior
to
1950,
any
parking
was
not
required
by
code.
It
was
just
done
because
that's
how
people
developed.
It's
also
important
to
note
that
we
had
a
very
extensive
streetcar
system
and
we
didn't
necessarily
need
to
worry
about
parking
off
street
parking
as
early
as
other
cities
did
so.
A
X
L
A
A
And
again,
my
reasoning
is
different
than
others
and
you
can
choose
not
to
okay,
so
we
have
one
two
three,
four
five
voting.
Yes
to
remove
that
exception,
one
voting,
no
being
councilman
petro
and
one
not
voting
being
councilman
Brothers.
Okay.
Can
we
move
on
from
parking?
Or
does
anyone
want
to
talk
about
parking
for
another
20
minutes?
Dan,
Dugan,
okay,
size
is
the
next
item.
The
planning
staff
had
originally
proposed.
Seven.
The
current
ordinance
is
650..
A
The
planning
staff's
original
recommendation
from
720
the
Planning
Commission
forwarded
us
a
recommendation
of
one
thousand,
as
well
as
an
exception
for
12
000
square
feet.
If
your
lot
is
larger
than
1200
square
feet,
if
you're
is
larger
than
12
000
square
feet
and
we've
talked
about
this
extensively,
I
think
so
it's
two
separate
questions.
One
do
is
the
base
restriction,
720
or
a
thousand
and
two
do
we
give
another
exception
to
larger
lots,
to
build
larger
adus,
so
I
think
they're,
two
separate
questions
councilman
play.
O
So
I
I
want
to
advocate
for
something
that
you
said
you
know
I'm,
not
gonna,
you
know
put
words
in
your
mouth,
but
I
mean
you
did
say
these
words
so
great,
but
but
that
you
know
your
appropriate
rights
and
then
your
property
line
and
and
I
I
believe
that
we
as
a
city
we're
working
very
hard
on
trying
to
create
family
family
size,
housing,
and
you
know
pretty
much
everything
we
do
is
trying
to
find
ways
of
you
know
allowing
you
know
young
families
or
or
families
to
live
in
our
city
and
by
reducing
the
size.
O
We
are
making
a
case
that
you
know
that
we
don't
want
those
again,
I,
think
we're
trying
to
if
we
are
against
this,
the
size
of
this
we're
actually
limiting
people
that
could
potentially
create
one
family,
one,
one
Adu
that
is
the
size
of
that
could
allow
a
family
to
live
in,
just
for
the
fear
that
all
of
the
adus
are
going
to
be
1200
square
feet
or
a
thousand
square
feet.
O
So
to
me
those
two
are,
you
know,
hand
in
hand,
even
though
there
are
two
questions:
I'm,
okay,
on
allowing
size
to
go,
you
know
to
a
thousand
and
then,
if
the
lot
is
high
to
to
allow
for
1200
can.
A
We
discuss
those
separately,
though
so
first
going
from
720
to
1000
is
the
base
requirement
and
I
think
it's
important
to
note
that,
just
because
that's
the
maximum
loud
that
doesn't
mean
every
lot
would
have
a
1
000
square
foot
thing.
If
it's
a
smaller
lot,
you
still
have
setbacks
and
Heights.
That
would
restrict
it
to
potentially
less
than
that
and
separation
from
the
primary
structure
and
all
that
I.
E
Feel
like
giving
our
very
skillful
planning
division
as
much
latitude
to
make
good
decisions
is
in
our
best
interest
and
it
streamlines
things
so
if
they
can
accommodate
up
to
a
thousand
on
the
property,
these
people
are
skillful
enough
to
help
us
navigate
that
and
they
don't
have
to
go
to
anyone
else
to
consult,
don't
have
to
do
refusals.
Let's
do
that.
J
And
this
is
for
planning
like
where
did
720
come
from
and
where
did
a
thousand
come
from?
Was
it
like
in
some
ways,
I
feel
like
Planning
Commission
may
have
just
picked
a
number
out
of
a
hat,
but
I
feel
also
that
720
may
have
come
from
somewhere.
P
Or
a
shed,
why
we
picked
that
and
the
idea
was
what
we
allowed
for.
Adus
was
smaller
than
what
you
could
get
for
a
garage,
and
so
we
wanted
to
at
least
match
what
you
could
do
for
a
garage.
And
then,
when
we
took
it
to
Planning
Commission,
the
commission
felt
that
that
wasn't
large
enough
for
a
family-sized.
J
J
I
mean
my
what
we've
always
talked
about
in
some
ways
is
like
me:
it's
there
for
supplemental
income
due
lots
of
lots
of
questions
there
I
think,
but
I
don't
know
that
my
intent
ever
was
to
look
at
this
of
like
putting
another
home.
I
was
just
telling
Chris
and
again
I
know,
there's
other
requirements,
and
things
like
that.
But
that's
I
live
in
right
now
is
900
square
feet.
So
if
all
the-
and
but
it's
a
huge
lot
so
then
the
there
you
could
have
an
Adu
bigger
than
the
house.
J
I
live
in
behind
my
house,
potentially
a
given.
Yes,
that
there's
other
setbacks
and
things
like
that.
I
understand
all
that
yeah.
So
I
don't
know
that
that
was
the
intent
other
than
for
me.
The
intent
was
saying
allowing
the
things
that
we
already
allowed
to
I
mean
not
already
allowed,
but
already
exists,
like
mother-in-law
apartments
right
that
sort
of
have
that
one
bedroom,
one
bath
area
or
something
along
those
lines
anyway.
So
I
I
would
stick
to
the
planning
staff
recommendation
of
720.
X
X
Is
I
appreciate
the
explanation
about
the
720
being
based
on
something?
Is
there
like
I
understand
we're
not
talking
about
standardized
things
like,
but
does
it
make
sense
to
go
from
720
to
a
thousand
like?
What
is
that?
What
does
that
mean
or
translate
to
in
terms
of
of
an
Adu?
It's,
it
doesn't
seem
like
that's
another
bedroom.
X
Is
there
something
that,
for
me,
it's
not
about
creating
family
housing
like
that,
it's
about
having
the
a
smaller
house
on
the
property.
So
does
it
make
sense
to
increase
from
720
to
something
that
isn't
a
two
bedroom,
or
do
you
just
keep
it
at
7
20.?
Does
that
make
sense,
I.
A
X
A
X
So
for
me,
that's
too
much
then
I,
just
wonder
if
if
there
were
other
reasons
to
enlarging
from
7
20
to
750
or
800
or
whatever.
A
X
O
I
want
to
add
a
little
piece
to
this
and
I
think
that
again,
all
of
us
have
like
different.
You
know
points
of
views
and
they're
very
valid
on
this
I.
You
know
I,
just
judging
it
from
what
I
see
in
my
neighborhood
most
of
the
housing
that
is
being
done
in
in
most
of
the
city,
but
specifically
in
my
in
my
part
of
town
is
Studios
and
you
know
one
bedroom
and
our
schools
are
struggling
and-
and
you
know
so,
we
are.
O
We
are
in
a
huge
need
for
for
housing
for
families,
and
if
this
will
allow
an
Adu
here
and
there
for
a
small
family
to
start
I
think
that
we
shouldn't
get
on
the
way
of
that.
Okay,
so
that.
A
A
The
second
question
on
the
size
and
I'm
gonna
try
and
make
us
go
a
little
faster
because
we're
we're
going
along
is
whether
or
not
we
want
to
give
an
additional
200
square
feet
of
allowance.
If
your
lot
is
over
12
000
square
feet,
I'm
gonna
say
no
on
this,
because
I
think
it's
just
a
tool
for
I
I,
don't
I,
don't
I,
think
it's
a
tool
that
rewards
only
a
very
specific
part
of
the
community
and
and
really
isn't
useful,
so
I'm
gonna
say:
let's?
A
Can
you
elaborate
on
that
one
I,
12
000
square
foot
lot
is
in
all
zoning
districts,
but
a
couple
enough
that
you
could
just
split.
That's
like
an
enormous
house,
I,
don't
necessarily
think
we
should
reward.
We
should
say
because
your
lot
is
huge.
You
can
go
above
this
standard
that
we
think
is
good
for
a
three
bedroom.
I
just
think
okay,
I'll
say
in
in
maybe
the
less
politically
correct
way.
I
think
it's
a
way
to
make
very
wealthy
families
be
able
to
build
even
more
wealth
and
and
I.
A
A
O
So
yeah
so
I
get
your
argument
and
I
I.
You
know,
you
know
I
guess
at
the
end
of
the
day
is
housing
and
we
need
housing
and
we
need
to
densify
even
parts
of
the
city
that
will
not
densify
naturally,
and
this
might
allow
it
so
to
me
again,
we
are
maybe
worried
about
too
many
of
this
happening
and
the
likeliness
they
might.
It
might
not
most
likely
not
actually
I.
A
Think
maybe
I
didn't
say
that
well
and
that's
a
valid
point.
I
I
think
that
1000
square
foot
is
enough
to
make
a
family-sized
house,
and
so,
if
that's
our
goal,
I
think
that's
fine,
I,
think
12
000
1200
square
feet
doesn't
make
it
necessarily
better
for
family
size
housing.
It
might
make
it
really
great
for
a
really
Swanky
pool
house
and
that's
not
the
goal.
We.
E
A
The
next
one-
and
we
talked
about
this
last
time,
but
the
next
one
on
the
list
is
owner
occupancy
requirement.
I
said
similar
things
last
time,
but
I
still
would
like
to
remove
the
owner
occupancy
requirement.
A
If
you
look
at
who
owns
Lots
in
our
city,
half
of
them
are
not
owned
by
the
person
living
there,
roughly
I'm,
making
that
up,
but
I
think
that's
relatively
accurate.
Half
of
them
are
rental
units,
and
so
we're
saying
this
is
a
tool
to
create
more
housing
and
keeping
an
owner.
Occupancy
requirement
is
saying
we
are
only
letting
this
tool
that
could
create
more
housing,
be
used
by
half
of
the
applicable
Lots,
even
if
the
bulk
lot
standards
and
the
size
and
the
heights
are
all
all
match.
E
So
we
know
that
there's
a
short-term
rental
legislation
currently
being
discussed
up
at
the
legislature
that
would
allow
up
to
80
percent
of
any
residential
area
to
be
designated
as
eligible
for
short-term
rentals,
and
that
is
intensely
concerning
because
it
in
no
way
offers
us
the
protection
of
our
housing
stock
that
we're
looking
for
and
this
owner
occupancy.
In
light
of
that,
potential
legislation
becomes
increasingly
important,
even
though
it
can
be
somewhat
onerous.
E
AF
O
I
know
I
mean
I've,
been
you
know,
moving
along
like
a
lot
on
this
issue
and
I'm
still,
you
know
I
understand
the
concern
that
I
brought
it
up
last
time.
You
know
I
still
believe
that
there's
a
concern
on
on
you
know.
Short-Term
rentals
I
also
think
that
maybe
there
isn't
a
market
called
equilibrium
there.
That
might
happen.
Let's
say
you
know
the
the
biggest
nightmare
that
you
know
all
of
us.
You
know
think
maybe
200
adus
are
trying
to
get
permitted
next
year
and
all
of
them
become.
O
You
know,
short-term
rentals
you
know
would
eventually
wouldn't
that,
like
the
market,
take
care
of
that
and
say
like
no,
there
is
too
many
of
them.
We
need
to.
You
know
like
you
know
what
I
mean
so
I.
Maybe
we
just
need
to
just
remove
the
requirement
and
and
see
how
it
goes,
but
I
also
very
concerned
about
it.
I'm
very
concerned
about
you
know
where
the
legislature
is
going
with
this
I.
O
Don't
like
that
bill
that
is
being
discussed,
I
think
it's
horrendous
and
I
am
nervous
because
I
don't
want
to
see
all
the
housing
all
the
adu's
being
used
by
many
out-of-state
companies
that
are
buying
them
and
putting
them
in
in
the
market
and
removing
it
from
housing.
So
I'm
throwing
all
these
things
there,
because
I
still
don't
know
how
to
vote.
I.
A
Think
the
data
out
of
California,
which
is
the
state
that
has
gone
the
furthest
with
adus
I
believe,
is
showing
someone
needs
to
fact
check
this,
but
that
most
of
them
are
not
being
used
for
short-term
rentals
and
that
when
you
took
away
the
owner
occupancy
requirement.
That's
really
when
the
production
of
adus
went
up
a
lot,
because
you're
now
opening
it
to
twice
as
many
people,
not
just
people
that
live
in
their
house
and
intend
to
stay
living
in
their
house.
You're.
J
I
I
get
your
argument.
Mr,
chair
and
I
understand
that
I
think
for
me
again,
one
of
the
biggest
concerns
is
the
the
ability
to
regulate
in
ways
and
be
able
to
like
not
have
the
short-term
rental
thing
happen
and
I
also
don't
know,
maybe
they're
not
being
used
for
short-term
rentals
in
California,
but
I,
don't
know
what
the
regulation
policies
for
short-term
rentals
is
in
California
and
if
they
have
the
ability
to
regulate
short-term
rentals
in
a
way
that
we
don't
have,
then
that
change?
That's
not
comparing
apples
and
oranges.
That's.
Z
J
B
AD
AG
J
J
Of
adus
I'm,
not
considering
adus
as
this
entire
brand
new
stack
of
housing,
that's
going
to
solve
everything.
It
is
another
Arsenal
right,
it's
another
tool
in
the
tool
bag
and
it
is
meant
in
my
mind
and
when
we
discuss
this
original
Adu
ordinance
to
create
another
type
of
housing,
stock
and
and
the
more
Diversified
we
can
get
within
our
housing
stock,
the
more
ability
there
is
for
people
to
hopefully
have
housing.
J
So
for
me
at
this
point,
without
any
actual
ability
to
regulate
how
this
is
going
and
the
this
like
legislation
looming
and
all
these
different
ways.
It's
important
that
that
owner
occupant
requirements
stay
there
again,
I
understand
your
argument.
Just
I
came
at
this
five
years
ago,
when
we
first
passed
this
ordinate
with
a
different
intent
and
I
keep
that
intent
there.
Even
though
that
can
change,
there's
underlying
intent
is
there
for
me.
A
In
that
case,
I
think
you
should
vote
to
keep
the
operating
IPC
card
here.
I
would
like
the
intent
of
the
ad
ordinance
and
the
result
of
it
to
do
more
than
what
you're
saying
you
would
like
it
to
do
so.
I'm
gonna
I'm
gonna
ask
for
a
vote
on
my
straw
poll
to
remove
the
owner
occupancy
requirement.
Okay,.
X
So
I
I
am
very
very
nervous
about
saying
that
that
the
free
market
will
correct
on
issues
about
housing,
because
that's
how
we
got
into
the
housing
crisis
that
we're
in
and
that's
how
cities
I
think
that's
why
cities
are
are
having
such
a
hard
time
grappling
with
short-term
rentals.
X
What
what
my
residents
are
asking
for
is
they're,
saying
I
I
am
a
senior
I'm
on
a
fixed
income.
I
need
ability
to
age
in
place
and
supplement.
X
My
income
and
I
have
a
yard
that
I
can
use
to
add
to
the
housing
crisis
or
I
have
young
couples
that
are
saying
it
would
we
also
want
to
to
add
a
week
a
unit
to
our
property,
and
that
would
help
us
be
able
to
afford
the
rising
costs
of
home
ownership
and
that
those
are
the
people
that
I'm
trying
to
to
protect
on
one
side
of
the
spectrum.
The
other
people
I'm
trying
to
perspect
protect
are
renters.
X
We
have
a
very
limited
ability,
as
a
city
in
the
state
of
Utah,
to
protect
renters
and
to
ensure
that
they
have
decent
conditions.
One
way
that
we
can
increase
the
likelihood
that
they
will
have
better
conditions
is
that
their
owner
is
right
there,
that
the
owner
of
their
property
is
right
there
and
having
to
share
the
same
space
with
them
and
also
ensuring,
and
so
that's
the
third
group
that
I'm
protecting
and
the
last
one
is
neighborhoods.
X
We
need
to
have
neighborhoods
that
have
a
mix
of
renters
and
owners,
and
if
we
to
remove
the
home
owner
occupancy
requirement,
then
we
incentivize
or
open
up
the
gate
for
for
company
knees
to
come
and
buy
up
huge
sections
of
neighborhoods
to
turn
all
of
those
houses
into
rentals
and
then
to
turn
put
adus
in
backyards
of
all
of
those
houses.
That
is
not
what
I
want
to
see
for
Salt
Lake
City
and
that
is
contrary
to
the
goals
of
of
our
housing
plan
and.
L
Mr,
chair,
I
I
just
want
to
add
to
I
agree
with
councilmember,
Fowler
and
Wharton
in
their
comments,
but
I
also
believe
that
you
know
having
the
owner
occupied
requirement
that
does
give
them
the
now
they
have
they're
in
the
house.
There
they're
going
to
build
a
accessory
dwelling
unit
that
that
really
matches
and
meets
the
needs
of
the
neighborhood
and
their
house,
and
if
you
just
have
a
developer,
he
may
just
build
something:
that's
not
really
compatible
to
even
that
primary
residency.
So
I
think
there's
some
there's
some
buy-in
with
that
owner
occupancy.
F
F
To
your
straw
poll,
you
know
what
I
don't
want
it
to
happen,
so
is
what
happened
before
and
that's
why
we're
reviewing
this?
We
opened
this
Adu
ordinance.
We
open
this
idea
so
that
people
can
do
that
and
then
we
didn't
have
anything
for
four
years
like
nothing,
significant
and,
and
the
significant
number
of
applications
to
you
know
to
to
is
what
we
want
it
to
do.
So,
I
don't
want
this
again
to
be
next.
You
know
be
here
in
a
couple
years
and
ask
Nick
Nick
how
many
applications
you
go.
F
I
just
got
four
like
that's
I!
Don't
want
that
to
happen,
because
then
we're
wasting
everybody's
time
at
the
same
time,
it
would
be
nice
to
if
we
go
and
I
understand
all
the
reasons.
If
we,
if
we
keep
that
owner
occupancy
requirement,
I
would
like
to
make
it
a
system
for
the
planning
division.
Do
you
need
to
come
every
year
and
say
hey
this
year
we
only
had
10
and
the
reasons
are
economy,
economics
or
really
like
it.
We're
too
restrictive.
Nobody
wants
to
do
it,
so
maybe
we
do
need
to
open
it
up.
F
It
shouldn't
be
this
whole
thing
about.
You
know
like
this
huge
thing,
two
hours
of
discussion
versus
this,
but
worth
of
worth
of
our
time,
but
something
for
Nick
to
report
to
us,
and
then
we
can
make
decisions
and
adjust
these
idea
ordinances
as
as
we
go,
you
know
how
Society
goes
and
how
life
goes
and
what
we
expect
experience
in
real
life
when
we
get
permits
and
stuff.
So
my
addition
to
your
straw
poll,
sorry,
no
I.
A
A
F
That
we
do
keep
that
requirement
the
owner
occupancy
requirement
in,
but
within
12
months
we
as
a
planning
division
to
report
on
how
many
adus
Adu
applications
have
been
applied
for
and
to
give
us
a
summary
of
why
we
have
so
many
or
why
we
have
so
little
and
a
few.
X
F
O
Audience
I
think
it
would
have
been
great
to
remove
the
condition
and
ask
in
planning
how
many
of
them
were.
Actually
you
know
under
occupied
and
which
ones
weren't,
and
then
we
can
close
it
back.
You
know
if
that
was
the
case,
but
I
mean
that
to
me
would
have
been
a
way
to
go,
but
I
I
understand
why
you
can
proposed
that
straw
poll
can.
AF
I
make
a
couple
of
comments,
so
that's
right.
We
do
have
a
reporting
requirement
in
our
code.
The
state
also
actually
now
requires
us
to
do
a
state,
a
report
to
the
state
as
part
of
our
modern
income
housing
plan.
That's
that's
required
annually.
We
have
to
indicate
how
many
owner
occupied
or
not
owner,
occupied
adus.
We
have
in
the
city
whether
they're,
internal
or
external,
so
we're
already
doing
this
I.
AF
Would
it's
actually
fairly
cumbersome
to
do
it
so
I
would
I
would
prefer
not
to
have
to
even
go
dive
deeper
into
those
every
year,
but
if
we're
over
part
of
the
state
code
requirements
and
one
of
the
things
that's
in
this
code
is
aligning
that
report
that
the
is
in
our
code
with
the
due
date
of
the
state
report.
So
we're
only
doing
one
report
a
year
instead
of
two
sounds
good,
so
I
would
I
would
hope,
dependence
change.
That
needs
to
happen.
No,
it's
actually
in
this
proposal.
Oh.
A
A
Setbacks
I,
think
that,
from
my
analysis
of
the
last
discussion,
I
think
we're
most
of
us
are
in
agreement
with
what
planning
proposed
on
setbacks.
The
one
and
I
think
councilman
Dugan
may
have
some
changes.
The
one
thing
I
would
like
to
do
is
on
Corner
yard
setbacks.
Rather
than
saying,
if
it's
a
corner
yard,
you
have
to
have
10
feet,
no
matter
what,
because
there
are
some
Lots,
the
next
door
to
my
house
is
a
like
25
foot
wide
lot.
A
If
you
have
10
feet
on
one
side,
10
feet
on
the
other
side,
you
have
five
feet
left
to
build
an
Adu,
so
I
would
like
to
remove
the
10
foot
for
Corner
yard,
setbacks
and
change
that
language
to
20
of
the
width
of
the
lot
or
10
feet.
Whichever
is
less
so.
If
it's
a
wider
lot,
then
it
may
require
a
10
foot
setback,
but
that
wider
lot,
May
May,
would
accommodate
a
10
foot
setback.
L
A
More
valuable
what
I'm
proposing
is
for
Corner
side
yards,
which
means
that
that's
the
setback
facing
the
street
so
to
keep
that
high
means
you're,
pushing
it
closer
to
the
next
door.
Neighbor's
house.
My
proposal
is
to
allow
it
to
come
closer
to
the
street
so
that
it's
further
away
from
the
next
door,
neighbor's
house
and
it's
closer
to
the
street
okay.
So
that's
that's!
The
corner
yard
set
back
yeah.
We
haven't
gotten
to
the
other
one.
A
AF
A
O
X
AF
It
so,
depending
on
the
zoning
District,
the
height
is
going
to
be
measured
differently
in
different
zones.
Okay,
in
most
of
the
R1
zones,
it's
I'm
gonna,
probably
mix
these
terms
up,
but
it's
basically
from
what
we
call
established
grade
and
established
grade
is
the
grade
of
the
property
prior
to
the
proposed
development
activity.
AF
Okay,
in
other
zones
that
aren't
single
family
zones,
it's
measured
from
and
I
might
get
either
established
or
finished
mixed
up
here,
but
the
intent
is
the
others
it's
from.
We
actually
average
the
grade
right.
So
it's
it's
done
a
little
bit
differently
in
like
a
commercial
zone
or
or
a
multi-family
Zone
versus
a
single
family,
Zone.
Okay,.
AF
A
Okay
with
it,
okay
keep
the
setbacks,
as
proposed
by
planning.
We
have
six
voting,
yes,
one
voting,
no
with
that
being
councilman
Dugan
we're
on
to
the
last
one
and
I
hope,
there's
no
additionals,
but
removing
the
conditional
use
requirements,
so
the
planning
staff
and
the
Planning
Commission
both
recommend
it
forwarded
a
proposal
that
we
removed
the
conditionings
permit.
My
understanding
is
that
is
the
actual
complete
Genesis
of
this
whole
time.
We're
reviewing
this
and
so
I
would
propose
that
we
make
it
a
permitted
use.
X
X
Think
now
that
we
have
learned
that
information
and
we've
gathered
a
lot
of
data
that
has
informed
a
lot
of
the
decisions
we're
making
today
that
I
feel
that
these
other
protections
are
adequate
to
and
I
think
that
the
biggest
concern
one
of
the
biggest
cost
sucks
for
people
was
the
staff
time
that
going
into
the
conditional
use
and
so
I
I
feel
comfortable.
X
Getting
rid
of
that
now,
given
the
information
that
we
learned
and
given
these
addition
that
have
really
informed
these
additional
requirements
for
our
city,
specifically
so
in
in
I,
feel
like
I,
am
bargaining
in
good
faith,
because
I
do
want
to
solve
the
problem
as
well,
and
so
for
that
reason,
I
would
also
vote.
Yes,.
A
AF
L
I'm
gonna
I'm
gonna,
ask
plane
to
to
this
is
on
the
height
of
the
Adu
and
I
want
to
to
explain
a
detached
garage.
It's
set
back
and
its
height
requirements
on
this
and
then
the
change
that
we've
made
here
to
the
height
of
an
Adu
compared
to
the
primary
unit.
Primary
dwelling.
P
Okay,
so
on
the
second
question,
are
you
asking
for
a
comparison
of
the
current
Adu
requirements
to
the
okay?
So
I'll
start
with
the
garage,
so
it
is
regulated
differently.
Depending
on
the
zoning
District
in
single-family
zones,
you
can
have
a
height
of
up
to
12
feet
for
a
flat
roof
17
feet
for
a
pitched
roof.
AF
It's
right,
so
that's
where
the
seven
that
also
varies
by
zone
so,
for
example,
in
the
R1
zones,
it's
if
it's
pitched
roof.
It's
28
feet
measured
to
the
peak
of
the
pitch.
If
it's
flat
roof,
it's
20
in
the
sr1a
zone,
which
is
mostly
The,
Avenues,
Capitol,
Hill
area,
it's
23
feet
for
a
pitched
roof
and
a
flat
roof.
I
think
is
16
or
something
like
that.
So
there's
it
varies
as
well,
and
it's
also
varies
in
the
foothill
zones.
P
Okay,
does
that
answer
the
the
first
question?
Okay,
so
on
the
second
question,
comparing
the
current
requirements
to
the
new
ones
in
a
sense
they're
the
same,
the
base
height
allowance
is
17
feet
and
then
you
can
go
up
to
24
feet
with
an
increase
in
setback.
The
difference
is
how
we
treat
the
setback.
P
P
P
L
That's
that's
I'm
inclined
in
that
I
would
rather
look
at
it
at
the
Adu
could
not
be
any
higher
than
the
primary
dwelling
height
or
yes,.
A
I'm
a
very
hard
no
on
that,
because
I
think
that
says
any
single
family.
Any
single
level
house
may
not
build
an
Adu
above
a
garage
and
that
cuts
out
almost
all
of
the
historic
properties
in
my
district
that
are
alley
accessed,
for
which
an
Adu
above
a
garage
is
the
most
logical
and
efficient
and
least
impactful
for
form
of
construction.
So
that
may
help
your
District,
but
it
would
really
really
harm
my
district,
but.
L
Of
24.
I
understand
that
there's
some
Alleyways
so
I
can
see
maybe
the
exception
for
an
Alleyway
but
I'm
concerned
about
eight
years
without
or
houses
without
Alleyways
and
having
that
a
larger
unit
behind
the
house.
The
primary
dwelling
unit
and
that's
my
concern
of
the
the
scalability
of
the
the
size
so.
A
X
I
have
two
questions
for
staff
on
this
so
again
about
grade
changes
when
you're
talking
about
height
of
the
house,
because
you
know,
if
you
have
let's
say
you
have
a
house,
that's
like
on
the
south
end
of
the
Block
in
the
Avenues
and
then
you're
building
your
Adu
further
up
and
it's
up
a
hill
like
is
it
the
height?
AF
So
the
Height's
supposed
to
follow
the
Contour
of
the
Earth
in
that
in,
like
the
R1
zones
in
the
sr1a
zones,
so
there
there's
a
there
are
for
principal
dwellings.
There
is
an
ability,
so
when
you
have
a
cross
slope
to
allow
the
downhill
side
to
be
slightly
taller
right,
but
for
the
most
part
it
it's
supposed
to
follow
the
the
slope
of
the.
X
Earth,
so
it
does
take
grade
into
account.
Yes,
okay
and
then
second
question.
Obviously
this
wouldn't
allow
you
to
build
like
a
three
or
four
story:
Adu
in
your
backyard,
and
you
have
your
your
little
one
or
two-story
house
what
if
the
Adu
can
be
taller
than
the
house,
what's
the
maximum
height
taller
that
it
could
be
like
realistically
well.
L
A
Okay,
five
to
one
with
five
to
two:
okay:
all
right
are
we
ready
to
move
on?
Yes,
okay,
we're
gonna,
bump
item
number
10
to
next
week,
but
we
are
currently
on
item
number
nine,
which
is
the
rezone
at
130,
North
2100
West,
that
one
stays
the
local
link
discussion
is
not
time
sensitive.
So
we'll
move
that
to
next
week.
AC
Thank
you
Mr
chair.
This
is
a
proposal
to
amend
the
zoning
map
for
the
property
at
130,
North
2100
West
and
remove
it
from
the
airport
flight
path,
protection
influence,
Zone
b,
a
hotel
is
located
on
the
property
and
the
petitioner's
intention
is
to
remodel
the
hotel
for
use
as
permanent
Supportive
Housing
for
older
individuals
transitioning
out
of
homelessness.
AC
AI
You,
okay,
so
we
can
go
to
the
next
slide.
So,
as
Brian
mentioned,
this
is
a
request
to
amend
the
zoning
map
to
remove
the
property
at
130
North
2100
West
from
the
airport
flight
protection
path,
influence,
Zone
B,
so,
if
removed
from
influence,
Zone
B,
the
property
would
be
subject
to
all
zoning
regulations
in
the
underlying
base.
Zone
the
TSC
TSA
mixed
use,
employment
center
Transit
transition
zone.
The
primary
impact
is
that
those
use
is
currently
prohibited
in
the
overlay.
AI
Zone
would
now
be
allowed
if
they
are
either
a
permitted
or
conditional
use
in
the
TSA
Zone,
and
this
includes
multi-family
residential
and,
as
mentioned
the
petitioner
is
planning
to
use.
This
is
permanent
Supportive
Housing
for
those
transitioning
out
of
homelessness.
So
this
amendment
would
allow
that
use
the
airport
overlay.
AI
Zone
B
is
less
restrictive
than
Zone
a
so
Zone
a
I'm
just
to
kind
of
go
over
these
Zone
a
prohibits
housing
and
then
also
prohibits
institutional
uses
such
as
like
Rest
Homes
churches,
schools,
Zone
B,
prohibits
housing
unless
it's
associated
with
Agriculture,
and
then
it
also
it
does
allow
those
institutional
uses.
So
that's
the
biggest
difference
is
that
zone
B
allows
those
institutional
uses,
while
Zone
a
prohibits
them
and
then
Zone
B
allows
commercial
uses
as
well.
AI
So
another
difference
with
the
zoning
map.
Amendment
would
be
that
if
it's
removed
from
that
overlay
Zone,
it
would
remove
all
sound
attenuation
requirements.
So
this
has
been
added
and
it's
a
suggested
condition
of
approval
that
those
those
requirements
are
still
in
place
through
a
development
agreement
and
then
I've
included
this
map
on
the
screen.
That
shows
the
Zone
B
boundary.
So
Zone
B
is
the
north
side
of
North
Temple
and
then
Zone
a
comes
to
the
South.
AI
AI
That
has
the
exact
same
impact
and
then
in
review.
We
also
found
that
the
site
was
is
in
with
walking
distance
of
bus
stops
and
tracks
a
track,
stop
and
then
staff
also
reviewed,
broader
City
goals,
while
analyzing
the
petition,
such
as
thriving
in
place,
the
city's
recent
anti-gentrification
and
displacement
study,
which
showed
that
Salt
Lake
City
is
severely
lacking,
deeply
affordable
housing
and
that
production
of
those
units
should
be
a
primary
consideration
moving
forward.
AI
So,
while
Equity
concerns,
you
know,
we're
brought
to
the
front
of
our
conversation
with
the
noise
report
and
the
fact
that
permitted
housing
is
allowed
in
similar
conditions
on
the
other
side
of
the
freeway,
as
well
as
that
recommended
conditional
of
approvals.
Planning
stuff
believes
that
these
concerns
are
mitigated
mitigated
in
this
request
and
so
next
slide.
Please.
AI
And
so
with
that,
the
Planning
Commission
forwarded
a
positive
recommendation
to
the
city
council.
That
includes
that
suggested
condition
of
approval
that
I
mentioned
that
has
to
do
with
sound
attenuation.
The
applicant
has
already
met
those
conditions,
they're
currently
remodeling
the
building,
but
this
would
really
come
into
play
if
the
property
is
ever,
you
know
torn
down
and
rebuilt,
or
if
there's
any
additions
to
the
structure.
This
would
these
would
need
to
be
met,
and
that
concludes
my
presentation.
AI
I
do
know
the
applicant
is
here.
If
you
had
questions
for
them
or
I
can
answer
any
questions.
L
L
L
A
This
is
a
applicant
property
owner
initiated
application,
so
they
can
only
apply
for
their
own
property,
but
doesn't
make
sense
for
us
to
just
look
at
a
larger
area
to
open
up
to
housing,
knowing
that
the
airport,
actually
it
doesn't
affect
that
so
maybe
that
flight
path,
overlay
influence,
Zone
B,
is
not
warranted
and
that's
a
that's.
A
kind
of
a
separate
question,
but
just
like
does
is
that
worth
considering.
AI
You
know
I
think
we'd
have
to
meet
with
the
airport.
You
know
on
a
broader
basis,
but
we
did
run
this
by
the
division
of
airports
and
they
didn't
have
concerns
with
the
specific
request
that
said,
I
think
we
need
to
look
at
the
airport
master
plan
build
out
and
see
how
that
looks
for
for
other
properties.
E
Is
also
the
last
the
Quasi
residential
in
the
area.
Everything
else
is
like
Northrop
Grumman
is
out
there,
there's
a
lot
of
office
space
and
Industrial.
It's
all
this.
The
2200
West
stuff
is
all
the
stuff,
that's
like
ancillary
to
the
airport.
So
these
are
the
two
hotels
that
were
not
in
use
in
the
area
that
are
now
be
being
converted
to
this
necessary
use.
AE
O
Do
we
Mr
chair,
Yes
trees
are
very
good
for
signaturation.
We,
you
know
I,
you
know
I,
everybody
knows
hearing
how
much
I'll
talk
about
trees,
but
I
wonder
if
there
is
a
way
of
encouraging
the
you
know,
the
the
the
developer
to
you
know
plant
a
bunch
of
trees
and
try
to
help
break
that
sound
that
it
happens.
There
I
mean
if
we
go
there,
sometimes
two
too
many
times
to
eat
in
that
area,
and-
and
it
is
loud
but
trees
will
help
a
lot.
A
Right,
any
other
council
member
questions
or
thoughts
before
we
let
the
applicant
speak
to
us.
Great
I
would
like
to
ask
the
applicant
if
they're
interested
in
speaking,
if
not
you
don't
have
to,
but.
E
Carol
did
you
want
to
come
down
while
she's
on
her
way
up?
I
do
want
to
point
out
a
little
bit
of
an
elephant
in
the
room.
Carol
and
I
have
met
exhaustively
about
this.
She
was
unaware
of
this
airport
overlay
when
she
purchased
it,
and
so
we've
discussed
this.
This
is
not
something
that
should
be
expected
regularly
out
of
this
Council
and
this
airport
overlay
District
should
not
be
taken
flippantly.
E
However,
the
Confluence
of
her
willingness
to
rectify
the
issues
to
protect
the
Dignity
of
people
who
are
living
there
and
to
me
of
severe
current
need
made
it
a
consideration
worth
having
right
now
and
so
Carol.
Thank
you
for
meeting
with
me
and
discussing
that
for
meeting
with
the
other
Council
people
and
making
sure
we
corrected
this
as
quickly
as
possible.
AH
AH
Reviewing
this
and
thinking
about
this
I
think
in
a
very
thoughtful
way,
obviously
concerned
about
precedent,
I'm
concerned
about
the
message
that
it
sends
about
equity
in
our
community
and
I
think
they
were
exceptionally
thoughtful
in
their
review
and
the
depth
of
the
of
the
study
of
this,
including
taking
time
to
go
out
and
be
at
the
site
and
kind
of
see
what
what
it's
like
I
would
just
like
to
talk
about
a
couple
of
the
in
detail
about
a
couple
of
the
sound
items
that
were
mentioned
so
from
The
Sound
study.
AH
One
of
the
one
of
the
interesting
things
is
that
the
item
that
produced
the
most
noise
in
close
proximity
to
the
building
was
an
automobile
speeding
by
and
then
a
water
truck
passing
by,
both
of
which
came
in
at
around
67
decibels
and
airplanes,
landing
and
taking
off
range
between
about
52
decibels
to
60
decibels.
AH
So
they
were
less
loud
than
that
and
then
I-215
generates
kind
of
a
continuous
noise
level
of
around
72
to
73
decibels
adjacent
to
this
property,
and
as
Chrissy
mentioned,
you
know
immediately
to
the
east
of
I-215
and
all
along
North
Temple.
There
are
multi-family
housing
developments
that
are
both
affordable
and
market
rate.
I
know
as
a
city.
North
Temple
is
a
big
focus
on
Housing
Development
right
now.
I
think
it
has
exceptional
access
to
Transit
exceptional
access
to
downtown
for
people
coming
from
the
airport,
especially
if
they're
coming
by
transit.
AH
It's
it's
the
gateway
to
the
city,
and
it
is
quickly
becoming
the
gateway
to
the
city
and
I
think
that
the
development
that
goes
in
there
is
very
important
and
from
an
equity
standpoint,
to
give
individuals
that
are
coming
out
of
homelessness.
AH
That
kind
of
access
to
both
downtown
and
to
Transit
is
phenomenal,
I
mean
otherwise
we're
looking
at
you
know,
locating
people
further
further
south
in
Murray
or
other
parts
of
the
county
and
I
know
that
there
is
a
desire
to
spread
homeless
Services
throughout
you
know
throughout
the
community
so
that
Salt
Lake
City
isn't
bearing
the
brunt
of
of
that
burden,
but
for
Carol
and
switchpoint.
There
is
such
an
emphasis
on
this.
AH
This
idea
of
permanent
Supportive
Housing
helping
people
get
back
to
work
back
to
school
and
and
locating
this
this
property
in
a
place
where
her
clientele
will
have
ready
access
to
these
kinds
of
services.
I
think
is
just
phenomenal.
So
we
appreciate
planning
commission's
recommendation
I'll,
let
Carol
correct
anything
wrong.
I've
said
so,
and
I'm
going
to
try
not
to
say
anything
about
the
adus
as
well,
because
I
have
lots
of
thoughts.
AH
AD
AJ
Can
share
those
thoughts.
I
was
asking
them
all
about
the
Ado.
You
I
want
to
build
in
the
marmalade
on
my
property,
but
it's
like
does
that
work
for
me
anyways,
so
I
was
trying
to
strab
about
you
back
there.
No,
no
I
think
it's
a
great
project
again.
When
we
first
looked
at
the
the
map,
it
we
thought
it
was
muec
and
there
was
no
overlay
on
it
after
having
done
the
first
one.
AJ
You
know
this
was
a
project
that
was
voted
upon
out
of
the
three
and
received
two
million
in
funding
for
this
project,
and
so
you
know
for
us,
it's
the.
How
do
we
get
that
quickly
done
to
alleviate
some
of
the
burden?
That's
happening
right
now
in
overflow,
and
this
population
are
all
individuals
who
can
pay
their
own
rent,
and
so
that's
you
know,
for
us.
That's
really
important
that
many
of
them
are
working
still
and
even
though
they're
elderly,
because
they're
trying
to
keep
a
part-time
job.
O
My
encouragement
about
trees
in
the
in
the.
AJ
We'll
move
a
lot
remove
a
lot
of
the
grass
yeah
we'll
keep
a
little
area
at
the
point
airport.
We
have
37
dogs
now
out
of
the
116
residents,
so
we
have
to
keep
a
little
bit
of
grass
for
the
pp,
but
other
than
that
we
want
to
get
rid
of
it
yeah
great
and
there
will
be
no
pool
either
save
water.
AJ
AI
I
can
yeah
I
can
explain
that
the
what
she's
asking
is
that
the
building
permit
can't
move
forward
until
this
zone
change
is
approved
and
that's
what's
holding
up
there
I
think
that's
what
you're
saying
right
that
that's
what's
holding
up.
A
I
think
for
state
law.
The
best
we
can
do
is
we
still
have
to
put
this
through
to
public
hearing,
which
is
scheduled
for
that's.
A
21St,
which
is
not
today
but
the
next
time
we
have
a
public
meeting
and
then
our
typically,
we
would
wait
until
the
next
meeting.
There
has
been
precedence
to
suspend
the
rules
and
adopt
that
night,
but
that
would
be
the
soonest.
AJ
A
Probably
a
question
for
the
Building
Services
Department
to
or
the
that's
probably
not
a
question
for
us,
but
somebody
hopefully
is
able.
A
AH
A
A
A
AG
Good
evening
Council-
and
we
usually
do
this
with
the
actor-
and
we
forgot
to
do
it
with
the
actor,
but
we
are
required
by
law
to
go
through
the
risk
assessment
and
show
you
the
fraud
with
risk
assessment.
According
to
the
state
auditor's
office,
I'm
going
to
be
maybe
five
minutes
so
I'll
give
you
five
minutes
back,
so
this
is
required
by
law
for
us
to
go
through
and
do
an
analysis
on
a
risk
assessment.
On
page
two,
you
will
see
we
earned
375
of
a
possible
395..
AG
You
can
look
down
and
see
all
of
the
how
we
get,
how
we
receive
our
points
and
if
it's
a
yes
or
a
no
and
then
both
the
CAO,
Lisa
Schaefer
and
myself
need
to
sign
this,
and
then
we
transmit
this
to
the
state
auditor's
office
when
we
transmit
our
akfer
less
than
five
minutes.
Thank.
A
Assess
those
risks.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
all
right.
We
are
on
item
number
12.
That
is
a
board
appointment
and
we
are
now
just
a
couple
minutes
ahead
of
time.
Do
we
have
Julie
bjornstad
with
us
hi
hi
Julie,
so
Julie
bjornstead
has
been
appointed
by
the
has
been
recommended
by
the
mayor
to
be
appointed
to
the
transportation
Advisory
Board
Julie
we
are
excited
to
meet.
You
just
give
us
a
few
minutes
of
your
time
to
explain
who
you
are,
why
you're
interested
in
this
board
and
how
you
found
out
about
it
or.
AK
Yeah
so
I've
been
a
resident
of
Salt
Lake
for
the
last
15
or
16
years,
actually
in
your
District
council
member
Mano,
and
have
worked
professionally
as
a
transportation
planner
for
the
last
15
years,
currently
employed
by
the
Wasatch
Front
Regional
Council
as
a
senior
Transportation
planner
and
I'm
interested
in
the
position
or
I
guess,
I
heard
about
it
through
Jonathan
Larson,
the
transportation
director
and
I'm
interested
in
the
position,
as
obviously
someone
who
comes
from
a
transportation
planning
background,
but
also
who
thinks
that
Salt
Lake
City
is
the
best
city
in
the
state
and
quite
possibly
the
nation,
and
would
like
to
keep
us
mobile
as
we
continue
to
grow
and
excited
about.
A
Thank
you
for
being
willing
to
volunteer
your
professional
expertise
and
your
time,
your
personal
time,
you
are
going
to
be
included
in
our
consent
agenda
this
evening
to
be
confirmed.
No
news
is
good
news
and
you
can
assume
that
unless
told
otherwise,
you
have
been
confirmed
and
you
do
not
need
to
attend
the
meeting.
But,
of
course,
you're
always
welcome
to
join
us.
A
A
AB
You
have
received
a
notification.
This
is
in
your
email
about
the
some
pieces
of
art
that
are
in
the
city's
collection
that
are
proposed
to
be
decommissioned.
Basically,
one
is
bench
sculpture,
Untitled
at
Bend
in
the
river
by
Paul,
Heath,
Lindo,
Nolan,
Louise,
freshman,
Wayne
Geary
at
Modesto
Park
and
then
the
other
is
three
concrete.
Furniture
structures,
Sugar
House
benches
and
the
recommendations
are
based
on
multiple
factors,
including
a
lack
of
structural
Integrity,
repeating
and
ongoing
issues
with
vandalism,
unreasonable
cost
for
repair
and
safety
concerns.
J
O
AB
I'm
I'm
sending
you
telepathic
messages
using
right
now,
or
should
we
follow
up
with
the
council?
Okay,
thank
you
all
right,
and
then
we
have
feedback
requested
on
neighborhood
park
projects
in
the
85
million
dollar,
Parks
trails
and
open
space,
Bond
and
the
council.
Member
feedback
is
welcome,
and
would
you
like
to
hold
a
discussion
in
future
work
sessions?
AB
Would
you
like
to
have
small
group
meetings,
they're
interested
in
preparing
a
process
and
you
would
need
to
hold
public
hearing
and
approve
the
use
of
bonds
in
a
budget
opening
before
the
city
spend
the
funds
so.
A
I
think,
given
that
we're
talking
about
the
neighborhood
parks
in
each
district,
we're
all
going
to
have
different
priorities,
so
I
would
I
would
propose
that
we
start
with
small
group
meetings
and
maybe
by
small,
we
mean
like
one
person
so
that
we
can
talk
about
our
specific
districts.
A
If,
if
we
want
to
and
then
we'll
have
those
questions
answered
and
then
we
can
have
a
larger
discussion,
I
imagine
this
will
be
something
we
would
want
to
have
on
a
work
session
once
we
have
like
actual
budget
proposals,
whether
that
be
in
a
budget
amendment
or
whatever,
but
I
I,
so
I
think
we
will
want
those
discussions,
but
right
now,
I
is
that
okay
with
council
members
about
the
bond
and
the
neighborhood
parks?
Let's
start
with
our,
you
know:
okay,
thank
you
and.
AB
Then,
if
you
do
have
thoughts,
share
them
with
your
liaison
or
Ben
in
our
office,
so
that
they
can
give
the
administration
a
heads
up
about
what
you're
thinking
so
far,
then
we
have
been
invited
as
a
courtesy
by
the
administration
to
provide
some
feedback
for
their
internal
budget
review
committee
process.
AB
They
have
a
matrix
of
things
from
the
mayor
that
they
will
be
looking
at
as
they
evaluate
the
internal
budget
requests
from
the
Departments,
and
so
we
were
asked
to
coordinate
with
the
Council
on
finding
some
possible
feedback
from
the
from
the
city
council.
AB
Our
staff
did
a
quick
list
based
on
your
feedback
at
The
Retreat,
even
though
the
retreat
wasn't
designed
to
come
to
any
conclusion
and
then
also
just
based
on
what
you
generally
talk
about.
So
the
list
that
is
is
just
rough,
but
we
came
up
with,
is
equity
stabilizing
and
optimizing
the
response
models,
so
there's
been
some
talk
about.
Is
it
time
to
evaluate
those
yet
or
is
it
time
to
get
them
stabilized?
AB
AB
AB
So
it's
not
like
you're
going
to
be
held
to
this.
This
is
like
did
we
capture
and
what
we
could
do
is
you
all,
I
think
have
a
copy
of
the
announcements,
I
hope
and
maybe
what
you
could
do
is
give.
If
you
don't
we'll
get
that
to
you.
Okay,
we
will
get
you
those.
Then
you
can
get
your
feedback
to
the
chair,
Vice
chair
or
one
of
us,
okay
before
Thursday
and
then
next
item
is.
AB
O
AB
All
right
and
then
City's
Grant
application
and
process.
A
Okay,
so
we,
this
is
following
up
on
several
discussions:
we've
had
recently
about
how
what
level
of
information
and
oversight
we
want
on
the
grants
of
the
city
is
applying
for
so
there
are
a
batch
of
them
on
tonight's
agenda.
Those
since
they're
already
scheduled
we're
planning
to
move
along
the
same.
The
traditional
process
that
we've
been
doing
in
terms
of
agenda
consent
agenda
Etc.
A
The
discussion
is
whether
or
not
we
want
to
amend
that
process
for
times,
for
instance,
when
ftes
are
being
added
by
a
grant.
Do
we
want
to
before
putting
it
on
for
public
comment,
have
a
work
session,
or
things
like
that,
and
so
I
think
the
discussion
is
what's
the
best
process,
we're
doing
that,
and
is
that
something
we
want
to
delegate
to
council
staff
to
say
this
may
be
something
of
council
member
interest.
A
Let's
schedule
that
for
work
session
and
if
they,
in
their
judgment,
don't
think
that
it's
something
that
we
would
be
opposed
to
then
do
the
same
process
that
we've
always
been
doing.
Of
course,
we
still
have
the
information
we
can
look
through
and
if
any
council
member
individually
says
I
would
like
to
pull
that
one
and
put
it
on
a
work
session,
then
they
can
reach
out
to
chair
Vice,
chair
or
staff.
Does
that
sound
like
an
okay
process?
Okay,
so
so
Council
staff?
J
X
X
L
AB
P
AB
Six:
okay,
the
possibility
of
charging
stations
at
affordable
housing
and
possibly
vehicle,
not
clear
whether
that
would
be
a
city,
administrative
effort
or
whether
that
would
be
in
in
collaboration
with
the
the
organization
that
manages
the
housing.
So
we'll
just
ask
that
question
and
come
back
to
you
with
an
answer,
but
there
was
no
interest
in
holding
it
up.
It
was
just
a
piece,
a
request
for
info
okay.
That's
it.
A
J
And
move
that
we
go
into
a
closed
session
for
purposes
of
imminent
litigation,
real
property
acquisition
or
disposition
and
attorney-client
matters.
A
Okay,
I'll
call
for
a
vote:
councilman
Dugan,
yes,
councilman;
yes,
councilmember
Petro,
yes,
councilman
Wharton,
yes,
councilmember
Fowler,
yes,
councilmember,
Papua,
yes
and
I'm,
a
yes
that
passes
seven
to
zero.
I
is
dinner
here,
no.