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From YouTube: Historic Landmarks Commission - April 01, 2021
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Historic Landmarks Commission Meeting - April 01, 2021
https://www.slc.gov/historic-preservation/
https://www.slc.gov/boards/historic-landmark-commission-agendas-minutes/
A
B
B
We
have
three
primary
duties
to
make
recommendations
to
the
city
council
on
policies
and
ordinances
related
to
preservation
in
salt
lake
city.
This
includes
the
designation
of
local
historic
districts
and
landmark
sites.
Two
we're.
We
are
a
certified
local
government.
We
provide
input
to
the
utah
state,
historic
preservation,
office
shipwreck
regarding
national
register
nominations
within
the
city.
Three
were
charged
with
reviewing
and
making
decisions
on
land
use,
applications
for
properties
that
are
located
within
the
historic
preservation
overlay
district.
B
B
B
I
mike
bella
vice
chair
of
the
historic
landmark
commission,
hereby
determine
that
conducting
the
salt
lake
city
planning
division,
historic,
landmark,
commission
first
of
april
2021
meeting
at
an
anchor
location,
presents
a
substantial
risk
to
the
health
safety
of
those
who
may
be
present
at
the
accurate
location,
world
health
organization.
President
of
the
united
states,
the
governor
of
utah,
the
salt
lake
county
health
department,
salt
lake
county
mayor
and
the
mayor
of
salt
lake
city
have
all
recognized.
B
A
global
pandemic
exists
related
to
the
new
strain
of
the
coronavirus
stars
kovid-2
due
to
the
state
of
emergency
caused
by
the
global
pandemic.
I
find
that
conducting
a
meeting
at
the
anchor
location
under
the
current
state
of
public
health
emergency
constitutes
a
substantial
risk
to
the
health
and
safety
of
those
who
may
be
present
at
that
location.
B
The
following
orders
is:
what
I'm
going
to
do
is
announce
the
agenda
to
approve
the
minutes
report
by
the
chair
and
a
director's
report.
So
the
agenda
this
evening
is,
as
shown,
is,
there's
a
public
hearing
public
hearing
on
68
b
street
minor
ultra
renovation
and
special
exception,
and
then
there
is
a
work
session
with
two
items:
the
elks
block
redevelopment
cultural
landscape
report
calrs
any
any
modifications
requested
concerning
the
agenda
order,
seeing
none.
Let's,
let's
approve
the
minutes
of
the
4th
of
march
2021.
B
E
B
E
Report,
yes,
I
do
thank
you
well,
I
would
just
like
to
welcome
aubrey
clark.
Some
of
you've
met
aubrey.
She
will
be
staffing.
The
historic
landmark
commission
we're
very
happy
to
have
her
at
salt
lake
city
and
you
will
get
to
know
her
well
if
you
haven't
already
prepping
for
this
meeting
so
well.
Welcome
aubry.
E
E
Another
announcement
is
we'll,
be
starting
a
campaign,
probably
next
month,
to
recruit
at
least
a
couple
historic
landmark.
Commissioners,
you
will
definitely
be
notified
when
we
start
our
campaign,
which
means
we'll
be
sitting
and
get
out
on
our
list,
serve
we'll
be
putting
it
on
our
website
and
constant
contact.
E
We're
going
to
take
a
look
because
there's
some
some
parts
that
perhaps
we've
never
followed
or
we're
not
even
quite
sure
what
they
mean.
So
we
will
be
doing
some
updating
you'll
see
that
on
the
agenda.
We
won't
just
bring
it
on
you,
but
we're
going
to
take
a
look
at
our
rules
and
procedures
in
the
next
month
or
so,
and
that's
all
I
have
to
report.
Thank
you.
G
Hi
thanks.
My
comments
have
to
do
with
your
last
item
the
work
session,
so
I'm
I'm
sort
of
taking
a
privilege
here,
but
I
am
concerned
that
this
proposal
has
not
gone
to
the
public
where
there
might
be
input
and
I'm
concerned
by
the
time
it
comes
back
to
you
again.
It
will
be
very
far
down
the
road.
So
this
is
the
third
city.
Staff
person
and
nancy
is
highly
qualified
to
be
doing
this
work.
But
this
is
the
third
city
staff
person
who's
tackled
this
project.
G
I've
been
on
it
as
a
volunteer
for
almost
25
years,
and
it
is
incredibly
important
to
identify
the
historic
features
in
publicly
owned
open
space.
Obviously,
so
they
can
be
protected
and
number
two,
and
this
is
one
I'm
probably
best
qualified
to
address
since
rick.
Graham
is
no
longer
employed
by
the
city,
is
the
cost
to
the
city
of
heading
down
the
wrong
path,
and
that
usually
occurs
when
public
utilities
or
parks
wants
to
do
a
project
in
publicly
owned
space
and
the
cost.
G
The
costs
have
been
staggering
and
we
really
need
to
address
these
guidelines
so
that
we're
not
wasting
public
funds.
It
is
a
concern
to
me
that
gilgal,
in
particular,
is
not
on
the
list
that
the
60s
mini
park
behind
the
utah
retirement
system
building
is
on
the
list,
and
I
recall
that
was
the
site
of
a
three-story,
historic
walk-up,
and
I
don't
know
why
that's
down.
There
is
historic,
open
space.
G
The
geo
antiquity
on
the
bonneville
bench,
which
is
the
basis
for
natural
open
space,
is
not
on
the
list
and
the
effort
that
I've
worked
on
most
recently
for
two
solid
years.
The
city
creek
islands
at
fourth
avenue,
is
not
included
in
the
memory.
Grove,
freedom,
trail
analysis
and
finally,
the
second
south
medians
are
not
in
the
central
city,
historic
district
they're
in
the
bryant
extension
of
the
east
side,
district
they're
in
the
national
register
district.
G
So
I
have
concerns
that
the
public
process,
particularly
with
the
pandemic
and
underway,
has
just
not
been
robust
here.
This
is
the
first
I've
seen
and
it's
a
work
session
where
the
public
can't
comment.
It's
critical
to
address
the
sites
which
have
previously
been
a
source
of
contention,
and
I
would
say
the
number
one
one
is
liberty
park
and
then
also
ones
which
the
staff
report
outlines,
which
are
likely
to
experience
pressure
from
development.
F
F
I
don't
see
any
other
hands
raised
in
the
attendee
list,
but
just
for
anyone
joining
us.
If
you
do
wish
to
speak
to
one
of
our
to
the
one
public
hearing
that
we
have
coming
up,
there
is
a
little
hand
icon
somewhere
on
your
screen.
It's
kind
of
like
a
stick
hand.
Each
finger
is
like
a
little
line,
it's
not
the
greatest
icon
in
the
world,
but
that's
what
we
have.
So
if
you
can
find
that
and
raise
your
hand,
your
your
we
will
look
for
you
in
the
attendees
list
is
interested
in
commenting.
B
I
A
I
I
I
The
property
is
a
three
flat
and
is
adjacent
to
the
madeleine
choir
school
to
the
west
and
residential
uses
to
the
south,
north
and
east,
as
illustrated
in
the
following
rls
photo.
The
property
has
had
minimal
modifications
over
the
years,
as
indicated
in
the
staff
report
and
the
first
slide.
The
property
is
under
enforcement
for
installing
three
hvac
units,
too
close
to
the
southern
property
line,
as
well
as
the
visibility
of
the
conduit
lines
on
the
exterior
of
the
structure.
I
The
units
were
installed
approximately
three
feet:
five
inches
from
the
southern
property
line,
and
the
zoning
ordinance
requires
four
feet
from
a
side
property
line.
The
four
foot
requirement
can
be
modified
through
a
special
exception
request
and,
as
described
in
the
owner's
narrative,
the
southern
elevation
was
decided
on
because
of
the
existing
conflicts
with
the
north
and
eastern
elevations,
the
to
service.
The
three
hvac
units
conduit
lines
were
installed
on
the
southern
elevation.
I
I
I
I
Subsequently,
the
building
inspector
placed
the
property
under
enforcement
for
during
an
inspection,
he
noted
that
the
permit
shouldn't
have
been
issued
while
permits
were
pulled.
Incorrect
permits
were
applied
for
and
received,
the
installer
went
outside
the
scope
of
the
initial
permit
and
the
subsequent
permit
should
have
not
been
issued
without
a
zoning
review
or
a
minor
alteration.
I
The
second
issue
is
moving
the
conduit
lines.
The
applicant
provided
a
detailed
explanation,
which
can
be
found
in
attachment
b
of
the
staff
report
as
to
why
the
lines
could
not
easily
or
readily
be
moved
to
an
alternate
elevation
or
to
the
interior
of
the
structure.
This
conflict
is
largely
due
to
the
configuration
of
the
interior
units.
Moving
the
lines
to
the
interior
would
likely
require
significant
interior
demolition.
I
They
are
highly
visible
and
impactful
to
the
historic
structure,
but
with
the
proposed
metal
covering
could
potentially
offer
a
shield
over
the
conduit
and
the
fourth
and
final
issue
is
the
location
of
the
units.
A
special
exception
is
required
due
to
the
units
being
seven
inches
too
close
to
the
southern
property
line.
I
I
The
applicant
indicated
in
her
narrative
as
to
why
the
northern
side
yard
and
the
eastern
rear
yard
were
eliminated
for
the
hvac
installation
and,
in
summary,
planning
staff
is
recommending.
The
historic
landmark
commission
approve
the
requested
minor
alteration
and
the
special
exception,
with
the
condition
identified
in
the
staff
report
and
the
motion
sheet,
and
I
can
answer
any
questions
at
this
time.
J
Kelsey,
it
seems
to
me
that
this
has
come
up
previously,
where
staff
in
the
building
department
or
whoever
reviewed
the
permit
didn't
catch,
that
it
was
in
a
historic
district.
So-
and
I
think
we
talked
about
you
know
like
just
trying
to
be
a
little
bit
more
on
top
of
that,
I'm
just
curious.
If
you
know
if
it
was
just
a
oversight,
kind
of
thing
or.
I
I
E
Life
and
safety,
and
and
missing
some
work
such
as
this
work,
that's
done,
that
is
more
egregious.
It
seems
that
these
issues
are
really
coming
up
with
more
multi-family
structures,
and
so
we
have
asked
that
multi-family
structures
absolutely
get
forwarded
to
planning
no
matter
what
within
the
overlay,
there's.
Definitely
some
concerns
down
in
building
services,
that,
if
50
mechanical
permits
per
day,
need
to
have
planning
review
that
contractors
just
won't,
take
them
out
anymore,
we'll
take
out
the
permit.
I
I
J
I
B
C
D
B
K
Thank
you
very
all
very
much
for
your
time
and
attention
this
evening,
I'm
watching
on
my
computer,
but
I'm
called
in
and
doing
the
verbal
through
the
sound
through
my
iphone.
So
I
hope
this
works
so
we're
discussing
here,
68
b
street,
which
my
husband
and
I
have
owned
for
about
27
years,
doing
our
best
to
provide
some
decent
housing
in
this
part
of
the
the
neighborhood
so
anyways.
The
issue
at
hand
is
our
90
year
old
boiler,
and
this
this
is
the
original
boiler.
It's
a
behemoth.
K
K
Eventually,
we
stumbled
onto
a
mini
split
system,
which
we
decided
to
go
with
because
of
a
number
of
reasons.
It
would
provide
air
conditioning
as
well
as
heat,
which
would
be
new
to
the
apartments
and
the
individuals
could
control
their
own
within
their
own
apartments,
their
environment,
and
it
it.
It
presented
a
solution
for
installation
which
all
of
the
other
things
we
looked
at
it
just
did
not.
K
It
still
had
knob
and
tube
in
it
and
because
this
one
company
could
do
both
aspects
of
we
thought
that
would
help
with
the
coordination
of
of
the
whole
putting
the
system
in.
So
we
decided
to
retrofit
with
this,
and
our
understanding
is,
as
is
common,
when
you're
not
gutting
the
place,
which
was
one
of
the
options
we
decided
not
to
do.
This
external
installation
is,
is
kind
of
the
normal
route
to
go.
K
Our
our
first
primary
decision
was
where
to
install
we,
the
the
back
of
the
building
the
east
face,
is,
would
normally
be
preferred
and
an
obvious
place
to
put
it.
There
were
issues
with
location,
the
the
only
obvious
place
where
we
could
fit.
These
was
in
that
tall
vertical
space
between
the
double
hung,
the
double
windows
and
the
back
door.
K
This
presented
problems
with
having
some
units
too
high
to
easily
service
as
necessary.
There
were
there.
There
are
obstacles
in
that
they
would
be
they
would
get
installed,
possibly
in
on
the
where
the
stairwell
is
so.
The
stairwell
created
obstacles
to
installation
and
running
conduit
plus
the
joists,
would
have
run
perpendicular
to
where
the
conduit
needed
to
go
and
that
could
have
prop
presented
obstacles.
K
The
installer
also
seemed
to
think
that
the
the
front
rooms
might
be
too
far
for
the
conduit,
so
there
are
a
lot
of
problems
with
the
rear
installation,
the
the
north
in
installation
of
which
I
I
don't
have
a
picture
for,
but
it's
on
the
it's
it's
on
the
driveway
side
and
the
driveway
is
so
narrow
there
would.
It
would
have
come
blocked
off
the
driveway,
so
that
left
us
with
the
south
side
and
installing
the
installing
the
system
on
the
south
side
solved
a
lot
of
problems.
K
There
was
space
for
all
of
the
condensers
closer
to
the
ground
for
easier
installation
and
future
maintenance.
It
presented
the
shortest
and
most
efficient
run
of
the
conduit
to
the
four
inside
heads
for
each
apartment.
The
conduit
length
stayed
within
the
manufacturer's
guidelines.
There
was
no
interference
from
joists
or
stairwells
and
where
they
were,
the
the
condensers
could
be
mounted
so
that
there
was
no
visual
or
sound
impact.
K
So
we
chose
to
go
for
installation.
On
the
south
side,
we
made
our
initial
payment
to
the
contractor
and
the
work
began
in
early
july.
The
work
was
proceeding.
It
seemed
of
good
quality
and
actually
some
people.
Some
various
professionals
in
in
the
field
who
have
been
consulting
with
me
since
then
have
remarked
that
they
did
feel
the
installation
itself
was
of
a
very
good
quality
in
late
october.
K
I
saw
the
conduit
for
the
first
time
and
on
on
the
south
face
of
the
building
and
pretty
much
immediately
began
discussions
with
the
contractor
about.
How
are
we
going
to
cover
this
because
it
needs
to
be
covered
in
november?
I
think
it
was
the
salt
lake
city
planning
became
involved
in
these
discussions
over
the
course
of
a
number
of
discussions
with
the
contractor.
K
So
this
was
a
solid
two
months
of
work
on
my
part,
I
knew
nothing
about
this
field.
When
I
started,
I
talked
to
over
two
dozen
at
least
two
dozen
manufacturers
contractors,
city
officials
and
considered
at
least
five
different
solutions,
so
the
the
one
which
we're
proposing,
which
is
the
a
metal
sheath
the
to
cover
the
conduit,
has
been
designed
by
mark
kirkendall
of
fighting
systems.
K
K
We
think
the
reddish
brown
color
would
blend
in
with
the
with
the
brickwork
and
not
attract
attention
from
the
street.
The
horizontal
are
mostly
covered
by
the
the
fence,
and
the
vertical
should
appear
similar
to
gutter
systems,
and
everything
in
a
few
years
is
going
to
be.
You
know
that
there's
some
trees
that
you
notice
in
one
of
the
photographs
in
front
and
they'll
be
growing
and
further
obscuring
the
conduit
or
the
the
whole
sheathing
system.
K
K
It
was,
it
was
comparable
to
all
the
systems
of
covering
that
I
found
so
just
regarding
the
whole
mix-up
of
the
permitting
process.
You
know
I
I
do
want
to
just
say
that
2020
was
our
our
covered
year
when
everything
went
awry
and
everybody
was
working
on
the
fly
and
people
were
becoming
exhausted
and,
in
this
context,
the
permitting
process
for
68b
scrambled
and
so
we're
here
today
trying
to
to
set
it
a
right.
K
If
the
permitting
process
had
worked
as
intended
and
all
permits
had
been
obtained
in
advance,
I
think
the
final
design
and
installation
of
this
hvac
at
68b
would
not
have
differed
significantly
from
what
we
bring
the
system
to
stay
in
place
as
as
installed
with
the
proposed
covering,
and
that
that
is.
That
is
my
notes.
K
K
B
F
Typically,
if
we
receive
the
email
before
5
pm
on
the
day
of
the
meeting,
we
will
pdf
it
and
put
it
into
your
dropbox
and
not
read
it
into
the
record
as
in
the
internet
of
time,
because
sometimes
everything
comes
in
at
the
last
minute
and
then
we're
sitting
here.
Reading
like
20
emails
to
you
that
you
know
didn't
get
into
the
staff
report,
because
the
staff
report
is
published
a
week
prior.
H
I
And
that
was
my
mistake.
I
I
thought
that
commenters
could
have
the
option
to
have
that
read
into
the
the
meeting
corrected,
and
so
I
informed
all
of
those
commenters
that
their
comments
would
not
be
read
into
the
meeting
but
forwarded
directly
to
the
historic
landmark
commission
and
placed
in
the
dropbox.
So.
C
I,
and
I
also
have
one
other
question.
Certainly
one
of
the
public
comments
was
about
the
conduit.
They
felt
that
that
needed
to
be
changed
or
covered,
and
I
note
that
the
homeowners
are
trying
hard
to
disguise
or
pick
out
a
covering
for
these
hvac
units.
That
will,
you
know,
not
be
as
obvious.
What
they
are
is
that
possible
with
that
conduit
as
well.
A
K
K
B
D
D
K
J
I
just
wanted
to
comment
that
it's
if
I
was
seeing
that
correctly
in
one
of
the
slides
that
the
the
electric
meter
is
on
that
side
of
the
building
as
well
and
to
me
it
just
makes
sense,
then,
to
have
all
of
them
mechanical
on
one
side
to
limit
the
the
views
you
know
and
and
and
and
the
fact
that
the
folks
to
the
south
already
have
to
see
the
electric
meter.
I
think
it's
perfectly
reasonable
to
cover
it,
and
I
think
the
the
proposed
ideas
is
more
than
acceptable.
F
If
we
have
any
participant
or
attendees
who
are
interested
in
participating
in
the
public
hearing,
we
are
looking
for
you
to
either
raise
your
hand
and
if,
for
some
reason
that
is
not
working,
you
can
use
the
q
a
feature.
But
if
you're
looking
for
the
raised
hand
icon,
if
you
click
participants
which
should
be
down,
I
think
in
the
bottom
right
of
your
screen.
F
F
D
The
only
thing
I
want
to
say
is
that
the
app
gets
right,
we're
going
to
see
a
lot
of
this,
so
as
many
splits
become
more
common
in
especially
this
kind
of
scale
of
multi-family
residential,
but
also
you
know
commercially
with
vrf
systems,
there's
lots
of
refrigerant
being
piped
from
exterior
condensers
to
the
interior
buildings
and
they're
great
systems
in
a
way
in
many
ways,
they're
great
systems-
and
I
think
it
completely
makes
sense
in
this
application.
But
we're
just
we're
going
to
see
a
lot
of
these.
B
I
I
agree
with
you,
john
and,
and
I
also
think
that
the
applicant
is
duly.
You
know.
The
immediate
toggle
would
be
going
to
the
east
elevation,
the
back
elevation,
but-
and
I
can
appreciate
that
the
distance
from
the
back
to
the
front
would
be
the
the
problem,
and
so
so
I
can
see
that
of
of
the
elevations
that
are
left.
The
south
elevation
seems
to
be
the
only
one
that
that
could
be
workable,
and
so
that's
what
they've
done.
C
J
B
Yeah
another
another
option:
I
think
that
that
might
be
possible
not
in
all
applications,
but
you
know
in
replacing
the
the
night
ear
boiler
using
that
space
to
do
it.
But
then
again
you
would
have
to
introduce
outside
air,
so
there
would
be
enough
volume
of
air
in
there
to
do
that,
and
I
suspect
I
don't
know
that
for
a
fact.
B
But
I
suspect
that
then
the
vertical
lines
from
the
basement
into
each
of
the
units
might
have
been
a
bit
more
invasive
than
coming
and
crawling
along
the
south
face
of
the
building
up
over
into
the
into
the
ceilings
and
then
drop
down
into
individual
closet
areas
within
the
units.
I
I
suspect,
that's
what's
what's
going
on.
A
A
C
C
C
K
B
A
C
C
C
I
mean
I
would
even
like
to
tag
that
on
to
the
end
of
this
motion,
saying
you
know
not
really
but
saying,
let's
direct
our
city,
to
take
a
look
at
these
issues,
because
a
lot
of
these
rules
and
regulations
are
outdated.
Given
you
know
what
we're
working
with,
particularly
in
historical
neighborhoods
and
this,
this
is
a
perfect
example
of
I'm
sure,
a
landlord
that
has,
you
know
fairly
priced
units
having
to
deal
with
that.
C
B
J
All
right,
thank
you
mike
okay.
So,
as
mike
stated,
this
is
work
session
number
two
for
the
elks
block
redevelopment
project.
This
property
is
located
at
139,
east
south
temple,
and
it
also
is
incorporating
the
work
being
done
on
151
east
south
temple,
the
existing
residence,
that's
just
to
the
north
of
that
property
and
then
on
on
the
elks
building.
This
is
the
elks
building
in
the
parking
garage.
L
L
L
Is
it's
about
2.93
acres
total?
I
think
this
is
the
the
conceptual
development
plan
that
they've
submitted
here.
Just
as
a
reminder
for
a
for
work
session,
the
commission
is
being
asked
to
identify
specific,
additional
information
important
to
subsequent
analysis
and
a
decision
by
you
in
the
future
identify
issues
that
relate
to
the
standards
of
the
ordinance
for
the
the
historic
preservation,
overlay
and
pertinent,
pertinent
design
guidelines.
L
So
this
is
the
second
work
session.
As
I
mentioned,
the
this
one
will
focus
on
the
new
construction
of
the
south
temple
residential
building
minor
alterations
to
the
first
avenue
houses,
the
the
six
that
are
in
place,
we're
going
to
discuss
the
removal
of
the
rear
edition
at
134,
first
avenue
and
then
a
demolition
of
us,
a
non-contributing,
detached
garage
at
136,
first
avenue,
and
then
a
final
item
will
be
following
up
on
the
any
issues
raised
during
the
initial
work
session.
L
L
It
has
approximately
178
feet
of
street
frontage
along
south
temple.
On
the
north
side
of
the
lot.
There's
a
25
to
30
foot,
sloped
escarpment
that
separates
you
can
see
it
back
in
the
in
the
trees.
There
separates
the
lots
along
first
avenue
from
the
lots
along
south
temple.
You
have
a
pair
of
buildings
adjoining
on
south
temple.
The
one
to
the
east
is
the
eight
story.
L
Brigham
apartments,
building,
which
dates
from
about
1994
and
then
to
the
west,
is
the
is
one
of
the
subject
buildings,
the
elks
buildings,
which
is
built
in
1923
and
is
six
story
and
is
six
stories
in
height.
The
this
particular
site
is
zoned
residential
mixed
use,
rmu,
and
that
is
that
allows
residential
buildings
up
to
75
feet,
and
you
have
the
latitude
to
modify
the
yard
yard
and
bulk
requirements
as
special
exceptions.
L
Conceptual
drawings,
including
site
floor
plans,
elevations
and
renderings,
have
been
submitted
for
review.
It's
important
again
to
note
that
those
plans
submitted
are
conceptual
in
nature
and,
while
largely
complete,
are
missing
some
details
needed
to
meet
the
zoning
codes
requirements
for
a
formal
review
of
new
construction.
L
L
L
On
bays
of
windows
and
balconies
are
aligned
symmetrically,
blanking
the
boat
center
of
the
building,
the
orientation
towards
south
temple
and
the
steep
grading
of
the
site
provides
a
buffer
between
the
scale
of
this
building
and
the
existing
buildings.
On
first
avenue,
and
that's
similar
to
the
pattern
established
by
the
existing
buildings
along
this
portion
of
south
temple,.
L
In
broad
terms,
as
we
discussed
at
the
last
work
session,
which
I
think
you
all
attended,
this
new
building
would
contribute
to
the
realization
of
broad
adopted
city
goals
contained
in
documents
such
as
the
city's
avenues,
master
plan,
which
is
getting
a
little
long
in
the
teeth.
But
the
city's
preservation
plan
downtown
plan
and
then
its
most
recent
city,
full
city,
applicable
plan
planned
salt
lake.
The
those
items
are
listed
in
the
memo
in
staff's
opinion.
L
It
does
make
sense
a
lot
better
in
terms
of
topography
and
alignment
toward
locating
that
that
service
and
access
building
it'll
also
allow
an
opportunity
to
create
more
residential
right
down
in
the
downtown
area,
and
the
the
units
that
are
proposed
include
a
variety
of
housing
units,
including
multi-story
town
home
units
aligned
along
the
face
of
south
temple.
So
that's
bringing
in
not
just
apart,
not
just
your
basic
apartments,
but
a
multiplicity
of
housing
types.
L
With
the
current
design
that
those
positives
would
require
the
proposed
changes
to
the
grade
on
the
front
facade
of
the
elks
building
and
the
demolition
for
121st
avenue
and
those
are
outlined
in
orange.
Here,
the
applicants
have
detailed
several
reasons
why
that's
necessary
they're
related
to
topography
and
providing
service
access
at
the
rear
they're
listed
again
in
the
in
the
staff
memo.
L
Second,
discussion
item
is
the
building
design
and
materials
that's
outlined.
Their
material
palette
is
displayed
here.
It's
also
in
attachment
c
page
82
of
the
staff
submittal
in
your
packet.
The
primary
building
materials
would
be
stucco
or
plaster
walls
with
details
in
precast,
concrete
or
glass
fiber,
reinforced,
concrete
or
stucco
over
over
foam.
L
That
has
yet
to
be
determined.
I
think
they
would
like
some
input
back
on
that.
The
ordnance
standards
require
a
minimum
of
eighty
percent
durable
material
that
reflect
the
materials
found
elsewhere
in
the
south
temple
setting
in
terms
of
scale
and
character
and
in
terms
of
your
discussion,
you
may
wish
to
draw
upon
your
experience
with
previous
approvals
in
in
terms
of
new
construction
massing
detailing
architectural
elements.
L
L
L
The
elevator
and
service
core
that
you
can
see
at
the
southwest
corner
of
the
building
would
be
the
highest
element
and
that
would
be
approximately
102
feet,
total
that's
comparable
to
to
the
surrounding
buildings
on
both
sides
of
the
streets.
There
there's
a
little
mix
of
scale
there,
but
on
the
other
side
of
the
street,
you
have
the
the
university
club
building
and
another
proposed
eight-story
building.
L
L
Our
observations
include
that
the
properties
are
all
in
good
condition
and
their
essential
physical
integrity
intact
is
intact.
The
alterations
appear
to
be
minimal
and
compatible
with
the
original
buildings.
Some
alterations
have
occurred
at
the
back
of
each
building.
There
are
additional
photos
in
the
packet
and
those
were
usually
to
provide
apartment
access
from
the
rear
parking
areas.
L
The
front-facing
windows,
most
of
them,
are
original
and
remain
in
place,
while
many
windows
on
the
sides
and
rear
of
the
building
have
been
replaced,
and
in
some
cases
those
replacement
stash
are
vinyl
or
aluminum,
but
the
the
window
openings
and
largely
remain
original
and
haven't
been
altered
in
terms
of
architectural
detail.
The
only
thing
that
it
really
doesn't
seem
to
be
in
good
condition
or
is
missing,
are
the
front
balconies.
L
That
evidence
suggests
were
original
to
134,
first
avenue
they're,
similar
to
others
that
you
would
see
on
on
apartment
buildings
built
at
that
period
of
time,
or
you
know
just
right
in
the
surrounding
blocks.
You
have
the
covey
and
the
hillcrest
and
various
other
buildings
that
have
front
balconies.
L
L
First
avenue,
this
building
is
historically
known
as
the
esther
apartment
and
it
dates
from
1909
the
addition
to
the
rear
dates
between
1911
and
1937
there's
a
parking
garage
in
the
basement,
and
then
on
this
second
level.
There
are
additional
storage
and
and
storage
rooms.
You
can
see
the
floor
plan
there.
This
is
in
the
plan,
is
blocking
access
to
parking
and
then
also
blocking
out
pedestrian
access.
L
But
we
did
invite
your
comment
on
that
as
well.
The
second
item
of
discussion
here
is
the
there's,
a
small
garage
located
back
at
the
to
the
rear
of
136
first
avenue,
the
original
home
dates
from
1905
the
the
garage
which
is
gable,
roof
boy,
p,
pri
and
their
their
property
management.
People
really
do
a
excellent
job
of
securing
their
properties,
and
so
this
was
about
as
close
as
we
could
get
to
getting
a
decent
photograph.
So
I
apologize
for
that,
but
it's
a
it's.
L
A
cinder
block
and
wood
sided
two-car
garage
it
most
likely
dates
from
it
could
be
from
the
historic
period
that
would
be
1945
or
later
and
the
2013
avenues.
Reconnaissance
level
survey
determined.
This
was
a
non-contributing
outbuilding
on
the
property,
so
we
would
likely
issue
a
demolition
permit
administratively
for
that,
unless
there
were
concerns
raised
in
this
meeting.
L
The
one
last
item
for
discussion
tonight
is
additional
discussion.
The
applicants-
I
I
think,
have
a
presentation
as
a
follow-up,
incorporating
your
suggestions
on
the
elks
building
alterations
and
then,
if
there
are
any
additional
discussion
items
on
the
121st
avenue
demolition,
that's
that's
germaine
here
as
well
in
in
keeping
with
the
purpose
of
a
work
session.
You
know
a
reminder
that
the
discussion
is
informal
conversational.
L
L
L
So
as
part
of
that
public
comment
soliciting
that
planning
staff
has
notified
the
surrounding
property
owners
within
300
feet,
as
well
as
the
residents
of
the
owners
within
three
residents
of
the
buildings
within
300
feet,
a
lot
of
apartments
and
then
it's.
It
joins
four
community
council
chairs,
where
the
corners
like
four
corners
down
in
southern
utah,
the
community
council,
four
corners
equivalent,
is
a
state
street
in
south
temple.
So
you
have
the
downtown
central
city,
greater
avenues
and
capitol
hill,
neighborhood
councils
and
they've
all
been
given
notice
of
this
meeting.
L
L
L
J
M
But
if
you
did
that's
my
problem,
not
yours,
okay,
I'm
gonna,
some
of
the
stuff
I'm
gonna
show.
This
group
tonight
is
similar
to
what
you
just
showed,
but
I'm
gonna
go
through
and
I'll
just
zip
through
those
fairly
quickly,
but
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
tonight
to
come
back
and
talk
to
this
group.
We
appreciate
your
time
and
effort
here.
M
M
Thank
you
thank
you
for
confirming
that.
So
I'm
hoping
to
do
this
10
12
minutes,
I'm
going
to
go
fairly
fast.
I
want
to
be
respectful
of
everybody's
time,
but
you
also
have
to
understand
that
this
is
a
really
complex
deal
and
it's
really
important
for
this
part
of
downtown
to
make
sure
we
get
this
right.
M
M
M
M
M
We
did
get
questions
and
comments
and
concerns,
but
also
a
lot
of
favorable
feedback
on
the
and
I'm
gonna
say
need
for
the
120
east.
First
avenue
demolition,
permit,
request
and-
and
it's
fair
to
say
that
this
entire
team,
the
ownership
team
and
our
team
don't
take
these
demolition
permit
requests
lightly.
We
don't
like
to
do
this,
sometimes
it's
more
necessary
than
we
like
and
in
this
case
the
removal
of
the
the
most
recent
house.
M
M
We
did
show
the
south
temple
residential
building
and
we
did
feel
like
there
was
a
support
for
the
special
gesture
for
height
and
the
request
for
removal
of
additions
on
the
136
building
and
the
134
building
on
first
avenue
as
nelson
mentioned,
and
then
we
have
some
internal
property
line
adjustments.
We
need
to
make
to
make
this
happen.
M
So
what
we're
here
tonight,
as
nelson
mentioned,
discuss
south
temple,
residential
building,
the
six
historic
homes,
and
then
we
do
have
some
discussion
items
about
the
elks
building
the
south
entry,
and
I
want
to
remind
everybody
what
our
zoning
is
and
was,
as
we
discussed
last
time
refresh
every
memory.
Nelson
showed
this
as
well,
where
the
minor
receptions
minor
alterations
are
where
the
major
alterations
are
being
closed
and
what
the
addresses
are.
We
can
come
back
to
this
if
we
need
to.
M
N
H
C
M
It
is
in
our
presentation,
so
we
will
see
it
again.
It
was
in
the
presentation
in
march,
and
it
may
have
there's
so
much
going
on
in
that
meeting,
that
it's
it's
likely
that
it
was
maybe
not
covered
to
the
depth
that
embedded
in
your
memory,
but
it
is
covered
again
tonight
and
I'll
show
it
again
tonight.
M
Vision,
thoughts,
the
the
idea
that
the
south
temple
resident
residential
building
is
traditional
classic
and
when
I
show
you
the
photos,
remember
that
eagle
gate
is
a
mid
color
stucco
metal
panel
building.
Then
you
have
elks,
which
is
a
brick
building.
You
have
brigham,
which
is
a
brick
building,
there's
a
number
of
brick
buildings
surrounding
this
property
for
diversity
and
contrast
and
distinction.
M
The
victorian
and
victorian
eclectic
homes
on
first
avenue
are
original
and
will
be
retained
and
rehabilitated.
We
believe
that
the
south
temple
boulevard
street
is
one
of
the
the
greatest
amenities
for
this
property.
It's
a
beautiful
street,
beautiful
streetscape,
beautiful
trees,
and
it
has
a
lot
of
history
and
it
needs
to
be
protected
in
this.
This
building
is
designed
to
front
onto
that
boulevard
with
a
proud
elevation
and
not
be
subservient
to
the
street,
but
really
contribute
to
the
street
with
great
architecture.
M
The
elks
building
is
going
to
go
from
a
fraternal
lodge
to
multi-tenant
office
and
remain
office,
but
it's
going
to
be
commercial
office
and
then
the
historic
buildings
are
residential,
multi-family
and
then
there's
a
garage.
So
there's
a
number
of
uses
here,
but
we
are
taking
a
position
that
we
don't
want
to
bring
up
barriers.
We
don't
want
to
separate
office
from
residential
and
residential
flats
to
residential
multi-family.
M
We
want
to
break
down
those
barriers,
connect
the
properties
through
landscape
and
pedestrian
linkages,
but
we
want
to
make
sure
that
there
are
shared
uses
between
them
and
I'll.
Explain
that
a
little
bit
when
we
talk
about
the
south
temple
building-
and
we
also
want
to
recognize
that
the
downtown
is
a
major
amenity
for
this
property.
We
have
amenities
on
site,
but
this
is
one
of
those
types
of
properties
that
amenities
really
are
shared
with
things
off
property,
and
that
is
the
downtown
activities.
M
Nelson
showed
you
our
site
plan,
the
south
temple
l-shaped,
building
with
an
amenity
on
top
of
a
parking
podium
deck
and
then
the
residential
on
first
avenue
here
in
the
elks
building
here
and
when
we
get
to
the
south
temple
residential
building-
and
this
is
first
of
three
parts
tonight-
the
south
temple
residential
building
is
the
first
part
alta
club,
the
what
was
previously
the
altar
club
parking
has
been
vacant
for
almost
70
years.
It's
been
parking
for
60
years,
almost
70
years.
It's
raised
to
the
street.
M
It
has
that
slope
that
nelson
mentioned,
and
it
has
two
properties
that
built
right
on
the
property
line.
So
brigham
to
the
east
and
the
theater
that
was
added
to
the
elk
bill
is
built
right
on
the
property
line.
So
it's
really
hemmed
in
a
little
bit
tight
in
the
sense
that
there's
physical
structures
that
make
it
difficult
to
try
to
figure
out
how
to
get
in
get
out
access
and
serve
these
buildings.
M
If
you
look
at
this
squint
your
eyes
a
little
bit
and
start
at
the
top
left
here,
this
is
the
lowest
level
benched
into
the
ground.
It's
parking
and
as
you
move
across
and
move
across
to
the
top,
the
top
is
at
the
top
of
the
bottom
right
side
here.
So
we
have
parking
on
the
back
side
of
the
building.
We
have
common
area
uses
office,
administration,
mail,
room
lobby
at
the
street
level.
M
So
from
a
diversity
of
unit
types
and
a
mixture
of
units
by
size
by
type
by
location.
You
have
two
story:
townhomes,
you
have
one
bedroom,
two
bedroom
flats.
You
have
one
bedroom
two
bedroom
flats
at
the
top
with
three
bedroom
penthouse.
It
provides
a
high
level
diversity
of
unit
types
for
segmentating
and
who
can
live
in
this
single
building.
M
M
M
Okay,
when
you
look
at
a
section
cut,
this
is
the
south
temple
side
on
the
left
side.
This
is
the
firm
side
on
the
right
side
of
the
screen.
The
blue
is
the
garage
one
level
down
low
three
and
four
levels
up
high
that
are
tucked
in
this
is
the
two
story:
town
and
the
orange
color.
This
is
the
common
area
in
the
pink
color
and
then
the
flats
are
above
and
the
amenity
is
right
here
and
there's
a
one-story
fitness
building
with
bathrooms
and
showers.
M
That's
off
the
amenity
that
sits
on
the
podium-
and
this
is
elks
beyond
here.
The
character
of
the
building
really
started
from
this
idea
that
we
wanted
to
have
this
elegant.
So
it's
I'm
going
to
say
symmetrical.
It
has
an
asymmetrical
approach
to
it
because
of
the
lobby
space.
But
if
you
look
at
the
center
line
of
the
arched
facade,
it's
symmetrical
to
that
center
line
of
the
arch
side,
but
it
has
rhythm
and
balance
that
puts
it
in
a
highly
traditional
elegant
character,
punched
openings
with
different
shaped
windows,
but
mostly
vertical
wendy's
windows.
M
Wood
clad
window
systems,
we
have
stone
either
cast
stone
or
real
stone
as
an
accent
material
that
go
along
with
the
stucco
or
plaster
and
we
have
a
flat
roof
parapet,
and
then
we
have
equipment
on
the
roof.
So
we
have
a
sustainable
building
with
hidden
equipment
on
the
roof
and
we
don't
occupy
the
ground
with
that.
M
The
final
outcome,
as
nelson
mentioned,
is
a
two-story
townhome
over
common
area
and
five
stories
of
flats
above
that
facing
a
street
entry
centered
on
this
new
stair.
There's
a
there's,
a
slope
from
the
street
up
to
the
sidewalk,
we're
maintaining
that
we're
adding
this
grand
stair
that
leads
to
an
entry
here.
M
The
main
lobby
entry
is
right
here,
there's
a
brow
that
covers
that
main
entry
to
protect
you
from
snow
and
rain
nice
arch
window,
which
is
a
little
bit
of
the
architectural
cavity
that
we're
borrowing
from
this
character
of
the
elk
building
over
here
and
then
a
lot
of
rectangular
building
and
punched
openings
in
the
repeat
of
some
of
the
single
arched
elements
here,
which
are
sprinkled
in
for
accent
in
the
building.
We
have
ingress
and
egress
one
driveway
into
this
building.
M
Look
at
the
elevation-
this
is
what
I
was
talking
about.
This
is
the
center
line
of
the
arts,
art
facade,
it's
symmetrical
to
the
center
line
and
then
there's
this
tower
element
on
the
left
side
here,
so
we're
symmetrical
from
here
to
here,
and
then
we
have
this
tower
element
that
gives
it
the
asymmetrical
look
overall,
but
then
there's
rhythm
and
balance
and
symmetry
off
this
center
feature
on
the
building
itself.
Here
set
elevations,
there's
not
a
single
side
of
this
building,
that's
not
thought
of
as
important.
M
It's
all
been
figured
out
as
the
massing,
the
punched
openings
to
landscape
and
the
attention
to
detail
at
stairwells
and
even
elevator
cores
when
we
look
from
the
north
to
the
south.
This
is
the
amenity.
This
is
the
one-story
fitness
building
with
a
raised
plate
that
has
clear
story
above
a
horizontal
ground
that
lets
natural
light
into
the
space.
This
is
a
space
that
is
being
created.
These
are
the
bathrooms
and
showers
back
in
this
part.
This
is
the
fitness
area
up.
M
In
this
part,
it
opens
up
to
the
pool
area,
but
this
is
also
available
not
only
to
the
residents
here
at
south
temple.
This
is
becoming
available
to
the
residents
who
live
along
first
avenue,
so
we
have
a
walkway
connection
from
the
residents
at
first
avenue
to
be
able
to
use
this
facility.
We
have
a
gate
here
and
an
entrance
into
this
and
they'll
be
given
access
to
be
able
to
use
the
pool
and
the
fitness
amenity.
M
In
addition
to
that,
the
office
users
will
be
able
to
walk
over
here
through
this
lobby,
cross
the
walkway
and
use
the
same
access
points
and
be
able
to
use
this
fitness
and
pool
if
they
want
to,
and
that's
the
communal
relationship
that
we're
building
here.
With
this
one
single
l
tree
development
nelson
mentioned
the
height
request
on
the
south
and
west
side,
and
when
you
look
at
the
rendering
you'll
see
that
this
building
is
consistent
with
the
heights
and
scales
and
massing
of
the
buildings
along
this
part
of
the
south
temple
already.
M
So
the
request
for
height
isn't
to
go
over
and
above
what's
already
there.
It's
really
to
make
sure
that
we
get
the
amount
of
residential
and
the
stature
of
the
building
that
is
commensurate
with
the
site.
What
the
site
deserves.
As
we
start
to
approach
state
street,
I
want
to
change
gears
to
the
second
part,
which
is
the
historic
home
we're
about
halfway
through
this
presentation,
the
historic
homes.
This
is
existing
view.
So
this
is
the
136
house.
M
This
is
the
brigham
young
family,
grace
site
park
here
and
then
with
the
six
homes
here
in
the
garage
here
first
after
that
leads
to
temple,
and
then,
when
we
look
at
this,
the
architectural
significance
of
this,
as
nelson
mentioned
some
of
these,
these
six
homes
between
1902
and
1909,
victorian,
electric
victorian
eclectic
and
traditional
bungalow
character.
Most
of
them
are
pattern
book
design
homes.
They
have
exterior
masses
that
are
relatively
unchanged
since
they
were
built
in
the
early
1900s.
M
M
The
street
presence
is
and
historical
relevance
is
still
valuable
to
the
neighborhood.
Today
the
front
yards
are
very
interesting:
they're
beautiful,
they're,
a
little
tired,
they
can
be
redone
and
refreshed,
but
the
retaining
walls
are
really
beautiful
and
they're
going
to
be
retained
and
repaired
as
needed.
M
One
structure,
the
1945
structure,
is
a
one
story
with
a
partial
basement
right
here.
That's
the
120
house,
the
three-story
apartment
building
here
with
the
basement
is
considered
seismically
unsafe
and
it's
been
vacant
for
a
number
of
years
and
it's
going
to
be
rehabilitated,
so
it
could
be
occupied
again.
The
irrigations
that
occurred
on
all
six
of
these
homes,
primarily
because
of
the
multi-family
uses
that
they
are
one
structure,
has
a
two-story
attached
edition.
That's
the
addition
that
nelson
mentioned
is
back
here.
M
I'll
show
you
that
in
a
moment
the
structure
with
the
detached
garage
is
the
136.
Building.
Access
is
cut
off
to
the
park
as
nelson
mentioned
again,
and
then
all
homes
either
parked
on
the
back
surface
or
on
the
street.
There's
no
other
parking.
There's
no
garages
here,
except
for
the
garage,
that's
not
being
used
at
the
136
house.
M
This
is
the
plan
view
we'll
go
back
to
that.
If
we
need
to
so
when
we
talk
about
what's
going
to
get
done,
each
one
of
these
has
their
own
menu
of
items.
It's
all
cosmetic,
the
masking
the
character,
is
all
remaining
the
same.
The
entries
are
all
remaining
the
same,
but
they're
going
to
get
refreshments
on
the
wood
trim
and
the
roof.
M
That's
the
wrong
word
repair
or
refresh
the
stone,
and
this
is
either
stone
or
concrete
in
somebody's,
replace
the
metal,
handrail
or
repaired
as
needed.
If
it's
not
to
code
and
then
add,
we
want
to
make
sure
we
have
good,
addressing
and
good
porch
lights
on
all
these,
so
that
they
can
look
dynamic
at
night
as
well
as
during
the
day,
and
then
each
of
them
are
going
to
get
renovated
interior
to
make
them
better
livable
environments.
M
The
rest
of
these
have
a
very
similar
program
of
cosmetic
exterior
upgrades,
but
they
are
slightly
different.
We'll
have
to
replace
this
garage
door,
we'll
have
to
take
a
look
at
this
retaining
wall,
that's
concrete
cast
of
place
concrete
and
if
we
could
seal
it
shore
it
up
and
not
replace
it.
That's
what
we'll
want
to
do,
and
maybe
you'll
get
an
exterior
ceiling
of
it-
will
remain
concrete
same
with
this
home.
Where
you
can
see
it's
cracking
the
face
of
its
cracking.
We
hope
that
there's
a
repair
for
that.
M
We
think
that
there
is
we'll
have
to
address
this
additional
stair
lobby
here
that
was
added
on
after
the
original
1907
construction.
We
may
have
to
keep
that,
but
if
we
don't
need
to
keep
it
we'd
like
to
remove
it
and
open
up
this
full
porch
again,
this
whole
flat
roof.
The
victorian
eclectic
is
beautiful.
It
just
needs
to
have
some
cosmetic
elements
as
well
done
and
this,
as
we
talked
about
making
the
seismic
upgrades
to
the
structure.
M
This
is
the
two-story
edition
that
came
in
after
1911.
there's
no
record
of
a
permit
between
1911
and
1937..
We
don't
know
exactly
know
when
it
was
built.
We
know
it's
brick
and
clapboard
sided.
We
know
it's
storage,
we
think
it
was
maybe
carriage
parking
down
here
and
residential
units
above,
but
that's
as
much
as
we
know
about
it.
It
is
blocking
our
parking,
it
is
blocking
our
access
to
the
park
and
it
is
not
contribute
to
the
overall
quality
of
the
structure
and
it's
not
visible
from
a
public
street
or
a
public
way.
M
That's
why
we're
asking
for
permission
to
get
a
demo
permit
for
this
portion
only
on
this
building,
the
136
building,
which
is
a
beautiful
bungalow
brick
building,
has
the
garage
in
back
that
we
also
is
not
being
used.
Also
detached
from
the
home
also
is
blocking
our
pedestrian
access
to
the
brigham
young
family
cemetery
park
and
has
no
real
functional
use
and
and
not
helpful
to
the
overall.
M
Program
for
this
home
with
parking
in
this
area
we'll
be
able
to
park
adequately
all
six
of
these
homes,
where
they're
underparked
right
now
couple
of
rendering
views
this
is
the
existing
scene.
As
you
see
it
now,
this
is
the
scene
proposed
that
we're
bringing
to
you
as
an
idea:
upgraded
garage,
upgraded
elks,
new
south
temple,
residential
new
color
palette
and
landscape
for
the
six
historic
homes
and
the
driveway
access
where
the
120
home
is
right.
Now
this
is
an
existing
view.
M
H
F
M
M
A
M
So
the
third
item
and
the
last
item
is
this
discussion
about
the
entry
into
the
south
temple
I'm
into
the
elks
building
and
last
week
when
we
were
or
last
month
when
we
were
together,
there
was
a
lot
of
discussion
about
this
stair
and
tunnel
and
berm
assembly,
and
we've
been
looking
at
this
for
a
long
time.
I
don't
think
we
have
a
paralysis.
Look
at
this
we're
trying
to
be
very
open-minded
about
this.
M
Our
thoughts
have
ranged
from
keeping
it
modifying
it,
relocating
it
breaking
it
down,
rebuilding
it,
breaking
it
down
using
parts
of
it
to
removal
altogether,
and
what
we
keep
coming
back
to
is
that
this
building
has
a
as
a
functional
handicap
at
the
entry.
It
has
a
aesthetic
value
in
that
the
1923,
tear
stair
and
tunnel
and
berm
are
part
of
the
original
construction,
but
it
serves
as
a
major
hindrance
to
the
ability
for
this
building
to
function
in
the
future.
M
Our
focus
has
been
on
maintaining
the
beauty
of
this.
What
we
call
this
grand
dane
building
and
say:
can
we
keep
this
building,
save
the
building
resurrect
the
building
and
bring
it
to
life
and
make
it
usable?
So
we
can
all
be
proud
of
it
again,
and
we
want
to
be
able
to
do
that
and
it's
going
to
take
a
significant
investment
contribution
to
do
this,
but
we
need
to
solve
this
entry
element
and
that's
what
we
discussed
last
month
with
this
group,
and
we
heard
a
lot.
M
We
heard
a
lot
about.
You
know,
work
harder,
design
better,
do
things
differently,
just
save
it
do
whatever
you
can
do
to
save
it.
You
know
expand
the
tunnel,
make
it
brighter
bigger,
make
it
safe
or
put
the
grand
plaza
up
at
the
upper
level
and
somehow
get
people
up
to
the
upper
level
with
elevators
or
additional
stairs
or
additional
ramps.
M
Let
me
see
if
I
can
rotate
here
what
we
did
talk
before
and
I
thought
it
was
important
to
bring
back.
Is
this
context
of
scott
and
walsh
design
and
completed
1923?
I
think
you've
heard
that
before
the
north
side
of
south
temple
was
lined
with
mansion
homes.
Originally
they
were
all
built
on.
These
raised
lots
with
stair
axes,
and
you
see
evidence
of
that,
whether
it's
at
the
mandolin
church
or
let
the
the
catholic
church
or
even
at
brigham.
M
Now
you
start
to
see
the
raised
first
level
and
it's
a
it
is
a
throwback
to
the
original
design.
But,
as
we
talked
about
last
month,
when
you
look
at
evil
gate
and
you
look
at
the
altar
club
parking
lot
and
you
look
at
the
brigham,
all
four
of
those
properties
have
some
variation
of
no
berm
or,
if
there's
a
raised
platform,
it's
not
working
very
well,
and
so
the
idea
of
trying
to
keep
the
berm
keep
the
raised
platform.
M
That
tunnel,
originally
the
original
use,
was
member
based,
not
open
to
the
public.
The
ballrooms
and
the
main
gathering
spaces
were
located
in
the
middle
of
the
building,
not
the
first
level
sleeping
quarters
were
on
the
south
side
of
the
building.
That's
why
there's
a
lot
of
brick
walls
on
this
building
on
the
south
side,
because
there's
a
lot
of
sleeping
porters
up
against
these
unopened,
exterior
walls,
the
first
floor,
which
is
not
the
ground
floor,
not
the
street
level
floor.
The
first
floor
is
where
the
social
roofs
were.
M
That
was
the
floor
above
the
sidewalk
level.
The
basement
floor,
which
is
at
street
level,
really
only
had
the
entry
level
in
the
staff
quarters
and
mechanical
rooms.
There
was
no
rooftop
uses
that
were
recorded,
not
even
the
original
drawings
or
as
a
record
of
it,
and
that
that
tunnel
was
actually
had
a
person
there
that
stood
there
and
guarded
the
entry
into
the
lodge
and
only
allowed
certain
members
into
the
building,
not
the
general
public.
M
So
I
also
wanted
to
refresh
our
memory
about
what's
the
overall
goals
of
the
city.
These
are
the
city's
goals
based
on
playing
salt
lake.
We
are
meeting
all
these
goals.
I've
highlighted
a
couple,
but
there's
a
couple
here
to
pay
attention
to.
We.
We
are
asking
for
a
balance
between
preservation
and
the
flexibility
to
change.
M
We
have
to
think
about
the
next
150
years
about
this
building
and
and
bringing
it
back
to
life,
and
how
can
it
be
functional
and
valuable
first
next
generation,
but
we
also
want
to
recognize
that
the
last
one,
the
equity
pursue
equitable
access
to
privately
provided
services,
amenities
across
the
city.
So
we
talk
about
a
public
plaza,
that's
publicly
accessible,
that's
equitable
public
accessibility
for
all,
not
just
for
a
certain
few
and
that's
a
benefit
that
the
building
doesn't
currently
have.
M
I'm
going
to
go
a
little
bit
faster
about
four
slides
here,
but
put
down
some
ideas
about
why
we
think
it
makes
sense
to
consider
at
the
top
what
is
now
there
and
what
is
the
proposal
below
as
a
public
plaza,
and
what
we'd
like
to
be
able
to
do
is
identify
some
of
these
items
for
discussion
tonight.
So
I'd
like
to
go
through
this
show
you
a
couple.
Videos
then
stop
and
then
open
it
up
for
your
discussion.
M
The
ideas
relate
to
this
tunnel.
Entry
is
really
a
remnant
of
this.
What
I'm
calling
a
caste
system
for
the
citizenry-
and
that
was
this-
is
not
a
public
access.
This
tunnel
was
accessed
only
for
members,
so
only
certain
members
of
the
community
can
actually
go
in
there
and
that's
kind
of
this
hierarchy.
That
is
a
appropriate
1923,
maybe
appropriate
generations
ago,
but
increasingly
becoming
inappropriate
today,
and
it
makes
it
difficult
to
think
about
keeping
that
kind
of
hierarchy
for
a
public
building
like
this.
M
The
current
standard
tunnel
system
doesn't
have
an
accessible
route
for
the
public
entry
to
the
building,
any
solution
that
we
come
up
with
all
the
ones
that
I
talked
about
before
or
what
we've
talked
about
all
has
to
solve
the
ada
accession
of
the
building
from
the
street
to
the
sidewalk.
The
tunnel
assembly
blocks
the
view
of
the
building,
especially
from
the
sidewalk,
but
also
partly
from
the
street.
M
The
build
is
not
a
lodge,
nor
will
it
be
a
lodge
it's
converting
over
to
commercial
office.
It
has
been
commercial
office,
but
it
needs
to
be
functional
commercial
office.
The
arrival
experience
of
the
building
of
the
interior
is
highly
confusing.
You
walk
into
here.
You
walk
into
this
front
door
here.
Do
you
walk
into
the
side
door
over
here,
or
do
you
walk
into
the
side
door
over
here?
We
need
to
be
able
to
solve
that
by
lowering
the
grade
of
the
front
of
the
building.
M
The
basement
level
can
be
converted
from
non-rentable
space
to
rentable
space
for
either
commercial
office
or
retail.
This
could
be
retail
or
office
down
here,
have
eyes
and
views
under
the
street
have
transparency
on
the
street
and
be
lit
at
night
and
be
active
and
engaging
to
the
sidewalk
in
the
street.
M
The
public
plaza
at
the
sidewalk
elevation.
The
elks
building
has
a
better
visual
connection
to
south
temple.
The
grand
name
of
this
building
is
giving
greater
prominence
to
an
important
boulevard.
The
existing
44
foot
tunnel
is
narrow
and
unsafe.
It's
unsafe
for
use,
it
can
be
redesigned
to
create
a
safer
environment,
but
it
would
still
be
highly
unconventional
long
tunnel
into
an
entry
to
a
commercial
office.
Building
the
stair
and
the
raised
platform
in
1923
did
not
contemplate
handrails
for
safety.
That's
going
to
have
to
accommodate
it.
M
If
we
keep
any
of
this
or
keep
the
entry
up
at
the
upper
level,
that's
just
something
we're
going
to
have
to
do.
The
pedestrian
connectivity
will
be
greatly
improved
with
the
plaza
down
here.
The
adjacent
properties
at
the
east
and
west
have
been
probably
modified.
As
I
mentioned,
the
tenant
history,
a
review
of
the
tenants
that
have
been
in
this
property
since
2012
2013
all
have
cited.
M
M
But
that's
what
this
building
really
wants
to
be
that
this
building
needs
to
be
built
in
a
way
and
renovated
in
a
way
that
it
can
survive
and
be
a
a
viable
marketing
operation,
and
I
think
the
last
three
or
four
would
you
know
this
postcode
commercial
office
market
some
of
what
we
would
call
the
new
normal?
I
don't
quite
like
that
term
anymore,
but
the
the
idea
that
people
want
to
be
outside
whether
they
want
to
be
in
these
pocket
parks.
They
want
to
be
in
these
plazas.
M
They
want
to
be
up
on
these
amenities.
That's
all
right
in
front
of
us
right
now
very
important,
and
it's
going
to
be
important
for
us
to
think
about
in
our
markets.
Even
after
the
pandemic
from
an
operations
and
security
standpoint,
the
tunnel
doesn't
function
well
now
and
it
will
not
function
well
in
the
future.
It
wouldn't
be
built
today,
if
I
proposed
it
to
you,
probably
wouldn't
be
approved
today.
M
M
It's
recognizable
as
a
lot
of
people
understand
it's
recognizable
as
this
part
of
south
temple
in
this
part
of
downtown
people
say:
oh,
that's
the
entry
to
the
elks
building,
that's
important,
and
it's
also
perceived
to
have
significant
historical
relevance
to
the
fraternal
lodge
entry.
Even
though
it's
not
a
lodge
anymore,
it's
part
of
the
history
of
the
building
itself.
M
M
M
M
M
H
H
H
M
One
of
the
beauty
of
being
able
to
take
a
photo
in
the
winter
is
that
the
trees
are
defoliated
and
you
can
actually
see
things
everybody
on
this
calling
is
a
you
know.
You
you
see
this
in
the
summer
and
it's
hard
to
see
anything
because
of
all
the
foliage
which
makes
it
beautiful,
but
it's
hard
to
have
this
discussion
when
you
can't
really
see
the
stare
of
the
building.
M
D
H
J
M
We
would
need
a
ramp
for
elevator
to
get
up
if,
if
the,
if
there's
a
door
here
and
this
building
currently,
this
building
has
two
entries
the
one
connected
to
this
tunnel.
You
walk
at
a
level
plane
and
you
go
upstairs
to
the
basement
or
you
walk
up
these
stairs
walk
across
this
platform,
go
up,
two
risers
go
to
another
platform
and
then
walk
in
that
door.
So,
yes
to
answer
your
question:
if
this
remained
a
door
as
an
entry,
we
would
have
to
do
elevator,
ramp
or
stairs
with
guardrails
and
handrails
to
code.
D
M
H
C
A
J
I
think
that
a
good
argument
was
made,
though,
about
about
balancing.
You
know,
a
need
for
change
and-
and
I'm
just
gonna
play
devil's
advocate
to
you
dave.
So
I
one
thing
that
I
know
that
they
have
this
gated
off
there.
You
know
I
could
see
that,
especially
with
our
growing
homeless
problem,
that
that
tunnel
could
become
a
a
homeless
haven.
J
You
know,
and
it
seemed
to
me
that
the
plaza
area
it
looked
like
there
were
some
modifications
that
were
made
column
with
sort
of
with
those
columns
that
kind
of
mimic
what's
already
here.
I
think
that
he
listened
to
us
last
month
when
we
were
talking
about
if
you're
going
to
remove
it
to
you
know,
to
include
some
kind
of
elements
that
that
reference
what's
there
originally,
I
would
have
liked
to
have
seen
more
of
an
arch
feature
or
something
there.
M
We
we
look
at
that.
I
think
that
I
think
there's
a
possibility
with
the
existing
arch.
There
are
different
shapes,
but
if
you
talk,
if
you
look
at
the
way
the
columns
come
down,
it
frames
a
certain
width.
That's
currently
terracotta.
If
you
brought
that
down
to
the
street
level,
that's
a
certain
width
between
the
brick
and
the
terracotta,
that's
narrower
than
this
opening
here,
and
so
when
we
take
this
element-
and
we
actually
did
that-
we
took
this
element
and
we
put
it
up
against
the
building.
M
You
could
do
that
it.
It
looks
a
little
awkward
because
the
width
of
it
and
the
arch
shape
is
different
than
the
one
above
it
so
you'd
have
an
arch
and
then
an
arch
and
they're
different
proportions,
and
it
didn't
feel
right.
It
felt
like
we
were
competing
with
this
beautiful
arch
here
and
the
divided
light
of
the
millions
here.
C
J
I
think
that
there
were
some
elements
that
were
brought
in,
but
I
you
know,
I'm
sorry,
mr
davis,
I
know
that
you
said
that
you
felt
like
we
were
telling
you
to
work
harder,
and
you
know
do
so.
You
know
make
magic,
but
you
know
I
feel
like
there
could
have
been
a
little
bit
more
attention
paid
to
that
arch
element,
and
I
do
want
to
add.
Also
is
you
know
if
this
arch
was
there?
J
M
M
Then
we
looked
at
an
option
where
we
actually
bridged
across
from
the
platform
to
the
entry
and
the
bullet
was
gone,
but
there
was
a
plaza
with
a
bridge
over
the
top
of
it,
and
you
walked
up.
The
stairs
walked
across
the
bridge
got
into
the
building
as
a
new
building,
but
then
it
had
two
entries
still
one
at
the
ground
level,
one
at
this
first
level,
there's
permutations
of
that
that
number
greater
than
10
or
12.
That
we
looked
at
in
a
lot
of
different
options.
D
So
what
was
what
did
you
not
like
about
the
permutation
where
you
keep
the
wall
and
get
rid
of
the
tunnel,
but
keep
it
as
kind
of
a
feature
out
in
front
of
the
building?
Because
to
me,
that's
that's
kind
of
some
middle
ground
like
there's
no
middle
ground
right
now,
like
yeah,
I'm
not
saying
you
have
to
keep
the
tunnel,
but
demolishing
it
is
one
very
far
end
of
the
spectrum
to
me.
D
J
That
that
it
would,
if,
if
there
were
this
many
iterations,
you
know
you
know,
I
know
how
long
it
takes
to
do
those
high
quality
renderings.
We
could
have
seen
a
couple
of
those
options
at
a
lower
quality
like
something
more
schematic.
It
would
have
been
nice
to
see
some
of
those
options
just
to
see
what
it
does
to
the
fill
of
the
exterior
of
the
building.
You
know
in
relation
to
the
to
the
you
know
the
sidewalk.
M
This
is
where
I
have
to
go
into
a
an
area
of
conversation.
That's
a
little
bit
sensitive
because
it's
the
sensitivity
of
it
is
that
we
have
a
property
owner
the
building
itself,
saving
the
elk's
building,
which,
in
our
mind,
is
the
biggest
task,
is
saving
the
elks
building,
not
to
say
that
this
isn't
important
out
front.
M
This
is
extremely
important,
but
we're
not
talking
about
removing
the
elks
building,
we're
actually
talking
about
making
a
major
investment
in
the
elks
building,
including
changing
and
fixing
the
floors
and
the
seismic
relationship
of
the
structure,
making
improvements
to
the
rooftop,
the
tens
of
millions
of
dollars.
It's
going
to
take
to
re
rehabilitate
this
building
means
that
it
really
has
to
function
well
and
be
able
to
be
able
to
pay
for
itself
over
some
reasonable
amount
of
time.
M
The
I
just
can't
options,
please.
Let
me
finish
the
options
that
we
looked
at,
that
I
started
to
mention
where
we
keep
part
of
the
wall
where
we
keep
part
of
the
stair,
we
add
a
bridge.
We
do
this.
We
do
that
at
the
end
of
the
whole
process.
We
looked
at
that
and
we
asked
ourselves:
could
we
build
that
and
make
this
building
viable?
Could
this
building
rent
well
perform
well
and
be
safe
and
when
I
say,
be
safe
one
of
the
responses
to
why
that
wall
in
the
front?
M
If
the
wall
stayed
either
with
the
stair
without
a
stair,
it
creates
a
blind
spot,
one
that
blocks
the
entry
to
the
building
two.
It
creates
a
blind
spot
behind
that
in
a
downtown
environment
that
isn't
exactly
what
you
would
want
from
a
commercial
office
tennis
standpoint
where
people
could
camp
out
sleep
hide
out,
especially
at
dusk
and
at
night,
so
it
creates
safety
issues
that
I
don't
think
I
would
want
to
take
on
as
a
property
owner.
M
But
at
the
end
of
all
those
iterations
we
kept
coming
back
to
where'd
you
build
it
that
way.
Would
it
make
sense
to
build
it
that
way?
And
if
you
don't
build
it
that
way,
we
shouldn't
go
around
promoting
it
as
an
option.
So
the
real
answer
to
can
we
bring
you
the
ideas
graphically
in
renderings
or
modeling?
M
Yes,
we
can,
but
the
risk
is
that
we're
going
to
start
talking
about
something
that
the
property
owner
doesn't
see
as
a
real
solution
to
solve,
for
this
building,
to
make
it
a
viable
office
building
and
is
very
uncomfortable
building.
Any
of
those
options
at
this
point
and
that's
after
an
awful
lot
of
analysis
over
the
last
nine
to
ten
months
and
that's
not
and
that
decision
doesn't
come
lightly.
M
M
That's
and
that's
what
makes
it
a
little
uncommon.
That's
why
I
said
at
the
beginning:
it's
that's
something
we
really
want
to
get
into,
but
it
is
part
of
the
thinking
that
we're
not
trying
to
bring
you
into
the
economic
equation,
but
you
have
to
understand
that
there
is
a
lot
of
things
going
on.
Besides
this
and
yes,
your
role
is
on
the
preservation
side
in
the
architecture.
In
the
way
this
looks
and
the
way
it
contributes
to
the
community.
M
J
N
N
L
L
J
I
would
like
to
offer
a
proposal
that
may
prevent
us
from
being
here
all
evening.
I
think
that
you
know,
maybe
what
I'm
hearing
some
of
the
other
fellow
commissioners
is
that
we
don't
feel
like
we've
seen
enough
in
regards
to
the
the
tunnel
and
the
entryway
to
the
elks
building.
Is
it
possible
for
us
to
maybe
table
that
discussion
session
for
a
future
meeting
and
and
have
a
work
session
for
that
item
alone
and
then
maybe
discuss
the
other
items?
I
don't
know
if
that's
possible.
E
Think
so
too,
but
I
think
one
question
that
I'm
hearing
from
members
of
the
commission
to
the
applicant
is
if
the
applicant
is
willing
to
bring
back
any
other
iterations
or
not
willing
to
bring
back
any
other
iterations,
because
I
think-
and
that
might
not
be
a
question
that
david
can
answer
right
now
or
needs
to
answer
right
now.
But
I
feel
like
that's
a
question
that
was
on
the
table
that
might
help
us
move
forward
as
well.
E
H
Yeah
richardson
here
I
I
think
that
if
this
went
to
a
public
hearing
with
you
know
the
public
speaking,
that
will
go
over
like
a
led,
zepp
one,
and
so
I
think
it's
certainly
in
the
applicant's
best
interest
to
come
up
with
a
better
solution
and
that
at
that
point
it's
going
to
be
more
difficult
to.
You
know:
woo
a
community
in
general,
rather
than
just
try
and
sway
the
opinions
of
a
handful
of
commissioners.
In
my
opinion,
using
things
that
are
irrelevant
to
history.
C
I
think
this
is
a
really
difficult
challenge,
because
this
arch,
which
is
granite,
looks
like
it
should
be
in
front
of
the
the
structure
up
the
street
on
seventh
east
there,
the
the
mason
hall,
whereas
behind
it
here,
it's
got
this
terra
cotta
face
on
the
front
of
this
building.
It's
like
it's
to
me.
C
It's
almost
like
two
different
eras
and
it
is
historical
and
it's
very
groovy,
and
it's
it's
super
difficult,
I'm
seeing
for
us
to
figure
out
and
and
the
developers
to
figure
out
how
to
appease
the
design
elements
in
the
community.
Here
I
would
like
to
see
all
the
pieces
just
on
a
list
per
for
us
to
say
all
right
with
x
building.
We
need
to
vote
on
a
b
c
and
d
with
y
building.
C
N
N
N
Right,
okay,
I
guess
I'm
just
wondering
okay!
Thank
you.
I
guess
I'm
just
wondering
more
specifically
in
the
historic
district
landscaping
codes
where
this
would
fall
into,
and
I
guess
if
we
could
be
provided
with,
like
the
specific
exceptions
that
this
proposal
would
be
invading.
I
guess
that
would
be
nice
to
make
a
decision.
L
Okay,
yeah,
that
would
the
that
would
be
part
of
the
the
formal
staff
report
which
we
were
saying.
These
was
an
informal
conversation
and
then
final
proposal
would
come
through
and
that's
when
we
would
make
the
findings.
That's
when
we
would
more
of
what
you're
used
to
in
in
the
decision
making
process.
E
Hear
what
you're
asking
and-
and
I
hear
what
what
what
fab
says
as
well,
like
maybe
more
of
a
bullet,
pointed
list
of
hear
the
top
elements
and
then
any
exceptions
kind
of
like
out
in
bold
and
what
I'm
also
hearing
from
from
jessica
and
the
rest
of
them.
The
rest
of
you
is
that
there's
a
lot
in
this
work
session
phase
and-
and
maybe
it
was
too
much
for
tonight,
because
I
don't
feel
that
we've
gotten
to
a
number
of
the
other
work
session
work
session
items.
C
A
C
See
for
the
applicant
to
move
forward
in
many
parts
we
could
start
on
first
avenue.
We
could
pretty
much
go
through
that
pretty
fast
and
approve
what
needs
to
happen
on
first
avenue,
and
then
we
can
work
our
way
all
the
way
up
to
this
arch,
as
maybe
the
last
part,
so
that
the
applicant
can
be
moving
forward
in
certain
parts
here,
because
I
think
some
of
this
is
very
simple,
and
some
of
this
is
much
more
complicated.
J
O
L
E
E
L
C
A
L
L
L
L
C
Then
you
know
what
I'm
saying
just
sort
of
logically
go
through
each
part
and
then
have
the
bullets
for
that.
What
we
need
to
look
at.
I
think
that
will
help
us
really
fine-tune
this
much
quicker
and
then
we're
just
asking
the
applicant
if
there's
any
other
options
or
ideas
for
this
arch,
and
we
understand
it's
very
difficult
for
many
different
reasons,
but
I
think
we
can
get
through
this
a
lot
more
quickly
and
logically.
M
Okay,
michaela
mckayla.
I
think
that
would
be
helpful
for
the
applicant
team
would
be
to
take
the
advice
that
was
mentioned
and
start
with
the
entry
to
the
elks,
because
there
there's
a
relationship
to
all
this
stuff.
So
as
much
as
we'd
like
to
go
through
the
kind
of
the
lowest
hanging
fruit
on
first
avenue,
maybe
first
the
reality
of
the
situation
is,
we
should
start
with
the
hardest
part
and
the
part
that
may
be
the
linchpin,
and
that
is
solving
the
entry
to
this
building
and
and
come
up
with
the
solution.
M
E
E
L
N
N
N
F
Building,
I
think
if
you
could
get
to
giving
the
applicant
some
direction
and
things
that
they
can
explore
before
they
return
to
you
and
try
and
be
constructive
or
productive
in
kind
of
the
rest
of
your
discussion
this
evening.
So
it's
not
just
we're
tabling
everything
we're
going
to
take
it
in
bite-size
pieces.
I
think
they
need
to
know
what
they
should
be
working
on
before
they
come
back
to
you.
F
D
H
But
john,
I
completely
agree
and
I'm
actually
a
little
bit
annoyed.
You
can
probably
hear
my
voice
that
we're
rehashing
exactly
the
same
thing
I
feel
like
my
time
has
been
wasted
as
a
commissioner
and
that
my
views
as
a
commissioner
have
not
been
respected,
and
I
I
I'm
taking
this
personally.
I
shouldn't
I'm
sorry.
J
I
I
have
to
agree
with
you
with
you
both
and
I
didn't
want
to
state
it
so
bluntly,
but
I
do
feel
like
our
recommendations
from
the
last
session
were
ignored
and-
and
I
do
also
feel
like
my
time
was
wasted
this
evening.
Rehashing
and
not
you
know
it's
yeah.
We
need
to
get
somewhere
with
this
and-
and
I
think
that
the
first
piece
to
the
entrance
is
that
we
we
really
do
need
to
see
a
couple
different
ideas.
I
don't
think
it's.
N
Yes,
I
think
I
think
just
I
know
we
talked
about
in
the
past
potentially
meeting
as
a
commission
just
to
discuss
where
everyone's
coming
from,
and
I
feel
like.
I'm
hearing
two
conflicting
views
of
like
demolishing
a
contributing
historic
structure
is
a
no-brainer,
but
then
also
like
that.
We're
not
thinking
about
economics
we're
thinking
about
preservation.
N
But
we're
not
going
to
have
this
example
of
a
postwar
bungalow
where
it's
been
for
almost
70
years
over
70
years.
So
I
think
I
know
everyone
kind
of
seemed
on
seemed
on
board
with
that
last
time.
But
I
just
wanted
to
challenge
that
this
tonight,
because
I've
just
been
thinking
about
it
all
month,
and
I
just
wanted
to
address
this
again
and
see
if
maybe
anyone
had
thought
about
this
more
or
anyone
maybe
thought.
Similarly
to
me.
C
I've
thought
a
lot
about
it
and
I've
driven
by
it
almost
daily.
Looking
at
it
and
because
of
my
commute
to
my
office
and
home
and
to
me
it
sticks
out,
like
a
sore
thumb,
I
don't
think
it
belongs
in
the
avenues
as
compared
to
rose
park.
It's
yeah,
it's
part
of
the
diversity
of
avenues,
because
we
have
strange
and
unusual
structures
all
over
the
avenues,
but
this
is
not
anything
that
is
historic,
that
isn't
seen
in
the
west
side
of
the
valley,
where
we
pay
very
little
attention
to
historic
structures.
D
But
I
think
the
important
distinction
that
hayden's
making
is
that
it
is
contribute
technically
contributing
to
the
historic
district.
So
it's
not
just
part
of
kind
of
the
eclectic
mix
of
architecture
in
the
avenues
it
is.
It
was
deemed
to
be
contributing
to
the
historicity
of
of
the
avenues
itself,
whether
you
like
it
or
not,
like
we
like
to
assign
historical
value
to
stuff
that
we
think
is
attractive.
But
it's
not
necessarily.
D
J
D
J
H
J
C
It's
just
what
I
keep
saying
is.
I
think
it's
easier
to
just
take
it
in
parts.
If
we
can
do
this
as
an
overview,
it's
one
big
project
with
several
different
parts,
and
I
don't
care
where
we
start,
but
I
think
it
would
help
the
developer
a
lot
so
that
they're
not
just
they're
just
waiting
and
waiting
and
waiting
for
the
big
picture.
Maybe
they
can
get
started
on
some
things
just
like.
J
E
H
L
J
J
H
H
Aren't
really
related
to
our
purview,
but
one
is
that
I
mean
all
white
building
a
stark
white
building
like
was
shown,
and
I
hope
it
doesn't
come
back.
This
way
is
it
feels
to
me
like
it
belongs
in
miami
beach,
and
I
think
the
reason
is
is
that
that
I
say
that
is
that
salt
lake
city
has
a
very
dirty
dusty
climate
and
white
things
and
bright
things
get
dirty
and
look
bad
quickly.
H
F
H
We
and
looking
there's
a
danger,
I
think
in
breaking
the
project
up
into
parts,
and
I
I
in
the
chat
room.
I
I
agree
that
we
should
break
this
up
into
parts,
but
you
know
we're
offering
extra
height
here
and
we're
asking
the
applicant
to
retain
the
history
of
an
important
building
in
salt
lake
and
there's
a
disconnect
at
this
point.
H
J
H
Or
if
the
applicant
feels,
like
the
you
know,
the
work
session
we've
given,
I
think
we've
given
a
lot
of
great
information
on
all
of
the
buildings
on
first
avenue
and
on
this
new
residential
building.
I
think
we've
given
good
feedback
on
all
of
these,
so
whether
we
want
to
whether
the
applicant
wants
to
put
themselves
through
another
work
session
on
all
of
these
properties
is
certainly
up
to
them.
It's
a
part
of
the
public
process,
mr.
M
I
think
the
way
I'm
understanding
the
last
series
of
comments
is
that
we
should
focus
the
next
fourth
session
on
the
elks
building,
primarily
the
south
century,
and
not
confused
with
other
things
in
the
proposal,
and
if
we
can
get
to
a
resolution
at
the
south
entry
to
elks,
then
we
may
not
have
to
do
another
work
session.
After
that
it
sounds
like.
H
That's
true,
but
keep
in
mind
that
these
are
work
sessions
and
when
a
project
goes
to
the
commission
for
approval,
there's
a
public
hearing
and
there'll
be
public
input,
and-
and
it's
just
going
to
be-
you
know,
there's
a
whole
another
set
of
data
that
will
enter
into
the
equation,
and
so
just
because
you
we
get
some,
you
get
what
you
think
is
positive
feedback
in
a
work
session.
It
is
not
necessarily
faith
accompli
for
project
approval.
M
H
A
L
Yeah
I
mean
it's
the
act,
it's
the
applicant's
prerogative.
They
could
file
an
application,
I
mean
they.
They
already
have
an
application
filed
for
alterations
to
the
building.
They
could
proceed
with
with
that
just
as
an
item
and
then
it's
your
prerogative
to
then
approve,
deny
or
defer
a
decision
on
that.
L
Well,
I
and
then
we're
in
a
situation
where
we
we
progress
forward
instead
of
this
possibility
of
talking
endlessly
and-
and
this
is
great
input,
I
love
it
as
a
staff
person,
you
guys,
can
go
on
forever
and
you
know
my
my
room
is
going
dark,
but
I'm
listening
and
I'm
involved.
I
I
think
we're
going
to
wear
you
out,
though,.
E
J
J
C
C
O
Okay,
yeah,
I'm
nancy
monty.
I
am
a
senior
landscape
architect
with
salt
lake
city
and
have
worked
with
the
city
for
seven
years,
but
before
that,
as
a
consultant
worked
on
many
projects
with
the
city
and
have
been
in
front
of
historic
landmarks,
with
four
landscapes,
pioneer
park
and
and
the
sixth
east
medians
to
get
them
approved
to
move
forward,
and
I
think
from
a
personal
experience.
O
It's
always,
I
think,
with
the
landscapes
it's
been
challenging
because
we
don't
have
guidelines
in
place
and
so
there's
not
a
shared
kind
of
knowledge
base
with
which
to
work
from
in
terms
of
the
knowledge
base
or
the
or
the
the
body
of
knowledge.
With
that,
you
would
use
to
develop
an
approach
and
then
also
to
review
the
the
proposal
and
then
have
it
kind
of
yep
feedback
from
this
body.
So
tonight
I
really
want
to
just
talk
about
this
approach
that
we've
talked
up.
O
So
in
2019
city
council
issued
a
legislative
intent
to
public
lands
to
develop
design
guidelines
for
hysteric
historic
landscapes,
and
I
think
that
we
all
acknowledge
that
there
is.
We
need
more
information
and
guidance
on
how
to
properly
steward
our
value
assets,
and
one
of
the
things
that
we
want
to
talk
about
is
rather
than
design
guidelines
which
feel
like
an
overarching
universal
tool
that
you
could
apply
to
a
lot
of
different
conditions.
O
What
we've
learned
and
from
people
who
are
might
have
a
lot
more
expertise
in
this
than
I
do,
and
at
this
you
know.
I
also
want
to
say
that
I
I'm
very
much
a
student
of
this,
and
I
want
to
acknowledge
my
peers
in
the
preservation
team
at
planning
who
I've
learned
a
lot
from
in
the
last
20
years
and
continue
every
day
to
learn
from.
O
They
are
getting
older
and
they're
dying,
and
it's
like
losing
a
tooth
in
a
way,
and
we
know
that
these
trees
don't
won't
live
forever,
and
so
one
of
the
things
that's
particular
to
a
landscape
is
that
it's
incredibly
dynamic
and
it's
always
changing.
And
how
do
you,
when
you
acknowledge
that
these
formal
tree
plantings
have
critical
character,
defining
elements
of
the
landscape?
O
Cultural
landscape
reports
are
the
principal
document
for
the
management
of
landscapes
and
they're
also
a
primary
tool
for
long-term
management.
So
they
are
the
management
and
treatment.
Decisions
are
based
on
the
character
of
the
land,
historical
significance
and
anticipated
challenges
to
preservation.
O
O
So
much
more
is
visible
than
what
is
possible
to
our
our
immediate
perception
and
then
and
then
the
second
part.
Or
so
then
it's
the
full
history
and
then
it's
a
exhaustive
documentation
of
the
existing
condition.
So
every
single
element
in
the
site
is
catalog
and
there
is
you
also
determine
whether
that
element
is
historic
and
what
period
of
significance
it
contributes
to
and
then
quite
often
like.
O
Our
maintenance
staff
could
look
that
element
up
and
understand
what
requirements
there
were
to
repair
that
and
could
quickly
address
the
situation
and
right
now,
it's
really
challenging,
because
we
know
that
it's
historic,
but
we
don't
know
what
about
it,
is
historic
or
how
to
go
about
it.
And
another
thing
that
provides
a
lot
of
challenges
to
public
lands
is
oftentimes.
O
O
So
after
kind
of
this
cataloging
of
the
site
and
the
analysis
and
evaluation,
part
two
is
the
treatment,
so
it's
essentially
the
design
guidelines
and-
and
it
I
think,
taking
the
approach
of
a
cultural
landscape
report-
acknowledges
that
there
are
so
many
different
factors
that
are
unique
to
each
site.
You
really
need
to
be
site-specific
in
your
design
guidelines,
so
design
guidelines
come
out
of
those
preservation
goals
and
make
recommendations
for
the
preservation
of
that
site.
O
C
O
We
did
have
an
archaeological
study
done
of
pioneer
park.
This
whole
area
is
the
ancestral
home
of
the
goshoots
and
the
youths,
and
it
was
a
transitory
or
nomadic
and
I'm
getting
a
little
outside
inside
the
college
area,
but
I
would
say
that
this
area
has
been
inhabited
and
to
the
east
of
pioneer
park
when
they
were
constructing.
What
is
now,
I
think,
it's
the
radisson
inn.
Someone
may
need
to
correct
me,
but
there
were
graves
found
native
american
great.
O
O
Are
the
day-to-day
stewards
for
ongoing
maintenance
and
long-term
stewardship
of
these
historic
sites,
so
they're
they're
grappling
with
daily
use
and
vandalism
to
fireplaces
in
liberty
park,
as
well
as
acquiring
new
sites
like
allen
park
and
really
wanting
to
understand
what
the
history
is
there,
so
that
they
can
plan
and
really
honor
that
their
true
kind
of
impact
of
that
site,
and
then
the
planning
division
role
really
are
well.
Let
me
finish
with
the
public
land.
O
So
as
stewards
of
the
site,
you
know
we
request
funding
and
we
respond
to
the
public
on
priorities,
and
so
in
many
cases
what
we
would
propose
is
that
if
we
are
going
to
be
doing
significant
capital
improvements
or
a
master
plan,
we
would
ask
for
a
cultural
landscape
report
to
be
done
before
those
things
happen.
And
so
this
this
process
is
a
work
in
progress
and-
and
I
think
it
will
take
many
years
to
accomplish
and
we're
trying
to
think
about.
O
C
E
E
We
are
all
collaborating
to
make
sure,
specifically
in
planning
that
we
get
all
the
components
of
a
clr
that
we
need
to
present
to
you
right,
like
the
history
like
if
something
is
proposed
in
in
liberty
park,
we
want
to
say
this
is
the
history.
This
quadrant
is
important.
This
building
in
the
aviary
is
important.
E
C
C
O
It's
acknowledging
that
the
grade
at
the
landscape,
the
natural
features-
and
I
think,
some
of
the
things
like
the
planting-
it's
it's
complex,
but
it
is,
you,
know,
kind
of
back
to
liberty
park
that
the
this
planting
design
is
liberty
park
and,
as
we
are
grappling
with
losing
we
lost
so
many
trees.
What
do
we
do
to
maintain
that
structure
and
we
need
direction
also,
and
I
think
it
will?
O
I
would
hope
it
will
also
help
us-
be
more
successful
to
ask
for
more
ambitious
projects
in
order
to
preserve
the
character
of
these
sites,
and
then
you
know,
I
think
the
other
thing
I
just.
I
just
wanted
to
comment
on
the
list
in
the
the
memo
that
was
provided-
and
I
think
cindy
pointed
out
a
lot
of
discrepancies
on
that,
and
I
think
the
I
will
call
the
the
word
choice
of
saying
they
were
all
historic
landscapes.
I
want
to
just
comment
on
that.
J
E
E
J
A
O
J
O
So
I
I
think
the
other
thing
too,
and
if
you
look
at
the
list
that
we
had
there
were
a
large
number
of
sites
that
may
be
able
to
be
done
more
as
a
collective
if
they
are
in
a
historic
district.
So
you
pick
the
district
and
what
are
the
characters
of
the
district?
And
then
you
have
these
sites
within
it.
J
I
I
think,
that's
great.
There
was
an
application
that
we
looked
at.
I
think
it
was
sometime
last
year,
but
the
applicant
was
looking
to
remove
what
I
felt
like
was
a
significant
amount
of
green
space
in
order
to
to
expand
and-
and
I
had
a
I
had
a
bit
of
heartburn
on
with
that-
and
it
would
have
been,
at
least
in
my
opinion,
it
would
have
been
nice
to
have
somebody
to
you
know
like
you
to
to
back
it
up
to
look
at
it.
O
Yeah-
and
I
I
should
acknowledge
that
too,
that
this
work
really
requires
very
specific
expertise
and
the
national
park
service
has
criteria
for
that
expertise
and-
and
you
know
like
for
with
allen
park,
we
have
a
landscape
historian
on
the
team
that
has
a
very
specific
background
that
can
really
tease
out
these
to
see
the
site
within
the
context
of
the
his
history
of
the
region,
and
then
we
have
a
landscape
history.
I
mean
architectural
historian
and
a
landscape
architect
and
yeah.
O
E
E
J
H
H
It's
just
an
observation
and
the
other
is
also
an
observation
that
the
secretary
of
the
interior
has
has
guidelines
for
creating
multiple
listings
for
areas
and
buildings,
and
I
imagine
that
that
same
multiple
listing
criteria
could
be
used
for
parks
and
in
geographic
areas
of
salt
lake
city.
I
imagine
you're
thinking
about
that
nancy.
So
sounds
this
is
really
great.
I
know
you
know
people
are
there's
a
lot
of
nitpicking
going
on,
because
this
has
just
hit
the
street
but
kudos
to
you
and
I'm
glad
this
is
happening.