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From YouTube: Historic Landmarks Commission Meeting - May 06, 2021
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Historic Landmarks Commission Meeting - May 06, 2021
https://www.slc.gov/historic-preservation/
https://www.slc.gov/boards/historic-landmark-commission-agendas-minutes/
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Good
evening,
everyone,
it's
now
5
34
and
time
to
begin
the
6th
of
may
2021
historic,
landmark.
Commission
I
mike
jealous
vice
chair
of
the
historic
landmark
commission,
hereby
determined
that
conducting
public
meetings
at
an
anchor
location
presents
a
substantial
risk
to
the
health
and
safety
of
those
who
may
be
present
at
the
anchor
location
due
to
the
center
of
disease
control
and
prevention,
cdc
social
distancing
requirements.
B
Just
a
quick
preamble,
the
historic
landmark
commission
is
made
up
of
citizens
of
the
city
who
are
appointed
by
the
mayor
and
confirmed
by
the
city
council.
Commission's
primary
has
three
things
that
that
are
our
duties,
the
first
to
make
the
recommendations
of
the
city
council
on
policies
and
ordinances
related
to
the
preservation
to
preservation
in
salt
lake
city.
This
includes
the
designation
of
local
historic
districts
and
landmark
sites
two,
as
a
certified.
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Local
government
provide
input
to
the
utah
state
historic
preservation
office
regarding
national
registry
nominations
within
the
city
and
three
were
also
charged
with
reviewing
and
making
decisions
on
land
use,
applications
for
properties
that
are
located
within
the
historic
preservation
overlay
district.
This
includes
design
review
of
new
building,
alterations,
demolitions,
economic
hardship,
requests,
construction
of
new
buildings,
special
exceptions
and
historic
building.
Relocation.
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C
Wonderful
well
welcome
again
to
the
historic
landmark
commission:
it's
a
beautiful
evening
in
salt
lake
city,
we'd
love
to
have
you
join
this
meeting.
If
you're
watching
on
channel
17,
you
can
go
to
our
historic,
landmark
commission
agenda
page
and
you
can
join
this
webex
meeting
if
you
need
help
joining
and
you're
new
to
electronic
meetings.
We
also
have
a
step-by-step
instruction
guide
if
you're
sending
in
comments-
and
you
have
to
pop
off
I'd-
be
happy
to
read
your
comments
into
the
record
this
evening.
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C
If
you're
in
the
attendees
list-
and
it
looks
like
we
have
a
number
of
folks
joining
us,
please
can
you
move
to
the
advance
to
the
next
screen?
Please
aubrey!
There's
a
tiny
little
hand
I
wish
webex
would
make
it
bigger,
but
you
can
see
right
down
there.
There's
a
title
tiny
little
hand
in
your
lower
right
hand
corner!
Please
please
hit
that
button,
so
I
know
that
you
wanted
to
speak.
You
want
to
speak
to
an
item.
Thank
you.
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I
have
a
couple
things
to
report
on
the
first
one
is
I'd
like
to
welcome
hannah
vickery
hannah.
I
don't
know
if
you
have
your
camera
on,
but
she's,
one
of
our
our
newest
land
use
attorneys
at
salt
lake
city.
She
used
to
be
with
south
salt
lake.
She
has
tons
of
municipal
experience
and
she
helps
us
every
single
day.
We're
very
happy
to
have
her.
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So
you
will
see
hannah
moore
at
our
commission
meetings.
Just
a
shout
out
to
her
hello,
oh
and
I'd
also,
regrettably,
have
to
announce
and
thank
jessica
for
being
on
the
historic,
landmark
commission,
but
she
is
making
a
move,
and
tonight
is
her
last
night
jessica
on
behalf
of
salt
lake
city
planning.
Thank
you
so
much
for
lending
your
expertise
to
the
commission.
I've
loved
working
with
you
super
sad
to
see
you
go
but
on
to
your
next
adventure.
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H
Thank
you
on
the
earlier
schedule,
a
projected
schedule
had
the
elks
building
potentially
on
your
agenda
at
the
may
meeting.
I'm
going
to
begin
my
comments
tonight
anyway,
when
you
held
a
work
session
regarding
the
project
at
your
last
meeting,
commissioner
delay
suggested
separating
the
proposal
into
the
portions
that
the
commission
could
support
and
issues
upon
which
there
were
not
agreement.
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As
she
said,
the
planning
commission
had
done
with
the
city
creek
center
years
ago.
Commissioners
delayed
suggestion
was
constructive
and
accurate.
I
was
also
the
catalyst
for
my
own
recognition
that
the
landmarks
commission
was
dealing
with
the
same,
relentless
resistance
that
I
had
observed
during
the
approval
of
the
city
creek
center,
the
approval
process
for
the
city
creek
center
went
on
for
a
year.
I
probably
attended
every
public
discussion
at
the
end
of
it
all.
I
said
to
the
members
of
the
city
council.
H
H
The
second
train
of
thought
I
had
comes
from
former
commissioner
polly
hart,
who
had
a
guideline
regarding
alterations
stemming
from
her
days
in
grad
school.
If
the
original
designers
would
not
recognize
their
own
work,
then
the
proposed
changes
had
crossed
the
line.
I
am
arguing
that
if
scott
and
welch
were
standing
on
the
sidewalk
on
south
temple,
they
would
not
recognize
their
own
design,
certainly
if
they
viewed
their
building
from
the
upper
floors
of
a
nearby
building,
they
would
make
the
connection,
but
from
the
sidewalk
looking
straight
at
the
building.
H
What
I
have
been
observing
at
your
work
sessions
about
the
echoes
building
is
very
similar
to
the
process
with
the
city
creek
center
resistance
to
feedback
my
way
or
the
highway
from
the
developer,
who
is,
admittedly,
the
most
powerful
developer
in
the
state.
I
have
watched
this
wrestling
match
before
at
the
city
creek
center.
That
project
is
less
bad
than
it
would
have
been
without
the
input
from
the
planning
staff,
the
planning,
commission
and
the
public,
but
is
certainly
not
as
good
as
it
could
have
been,
and
south
temple
deserves
the
best.
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Then
in
2019
there
was
another
certificate
of
prognosis
that
was
approved
administratively
and
that
certificate
appropriateness
was
for
site
features
that
were
not
included
in
the
first
approval
and
then
subsequently,
there
was
an
amendment
that
was
to
include
the
transformer
pad
that
was
included
was
amended
to
this.
This
certificate
of
appropriateness
from
may
of
2019.
J
J
J
J
It's
more
like
an
addition,
so
right
here
on
the
east
elevation,
there
would
be
a
fence,
rod,
iron
vents,
a
transformer
that
needs
that
needed
to
be
here,
a
garbage
enclosure
and
a
shed
a
new
stairways
going
to
the
entrance
that
was
receded,
a
bike
rack
window
wells
all
over
and
right
here,
the
ada
ramp
was
actually
approved
on
the
on
on
the
side
of
the
building
and
not
in
front
of
the
building.
The
ada
ramp
now
is
being
proposed
here
on
the
on
the
front
of
the
building.
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Needless
to
say,
this
project's
been
a
long
unwinding
road
and
we've
gone
through
many
many
transitions
working
with
the
city
and
the
state
and
everybody
and
the
owner
in
his
program
trying
to
get
it
done
at
this
point
where
this
this
request
for
a
pro
certificate
of
program.
This
is
so
that
we
can
move
forward
with
the
construction.
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L
It
got
to
the
point
where
we
realized
that
we
were
kind
of
neglecting
the
historic
building
by
having
the
entry
on
the
connector,
and
it
made
more
sense
to
have
it
front
and
center
where
people
came
in
where
offices
would
be
and
everything,
and
so
that's
one
of
the
reasons
we're
back
here
now
asking
for
this
change
on
the
on
the
ada
ramp.
So
we
can
so
we
can
have
you
know
the
historic
salisbury
mansion
be
the
centerpiece
of
the
project.
L
As
far
as
the
east
side,
the
the
windows
and
the
the
balcony-
I
don't
see,
is
a
big
issue.
The
penthouse,
the
elevator
that
katya
was
talking
about,
is
actually
not
for
an
elevator
shaft.
It's
a
stair
tower
at
this
at
this
point,
and
it's
just
basically
for
roof
access,
and
we
have,
as
you
can
see
from
her
presentation,
it's
significantly
smaller
than
what
it
was.
L
Originally,
we
were
using
the
attic
of
the
existing
building,
but
because
of
certain
codes
that
don't
allow,
you
know
three
stories
in
a
type
2
office
assisted
living
facility.
We're
no
longer
able
to
do
that,
and
so
the
attic
is
just
going
to
become
kind
of
a
mechanical
space,
and
so
we
don't
need
the
access
or
the
elevator
going
all
the
way
way
up.
We
just
have
the
stair
going
to
the
roof.
K
No,
you
know,
I
think,
nothing
of
significance.
It's
just
a
thanks
to
the
commission,
and
you
know
it's
been
such
an
arduous
task
to
get
this
project
to
fit
all
the
regulations
and
we've
been
through
so
many
designs
and
katja's
been
so
wonderful
to
work
with
helping
us
to
sort
of
negotiate
all
of
the
all
the
changes.
So
just
a
just
a
thanks
to
katja
for
her.
I
B
G
There
were
some
proposals
early
on
to
use
elements
from
the
1972
addition
to
the
mortuary
in
the
edition,
and
the
applicant
wisely
chose
to
jettison
that
and
focus
on
restoring
the
original
mansion
and
creating
a
new
addition
to
the
side
that
read
as
separate
buildings.
You
know
separate
teeth
on
the
streetscape
as
it
were.
G
Mr
hale
has
a
wonderful
pedigree
in
that
era
of
architecture
and
the
the
current
building.
The
current
mansion
retains
much
of
mr
hale's
original
design,
and
we
are
assuming
that
the
intent
of
the
remodel
is
to
keep
mr
hale's
interior
work,
which
is
phenomenal
and
enhance
that
and
by
moving
the
ada
ramp
to
the
front
by
by
moving
the
entrance
from
the
the
light
glass
addition
in
the
courtyard
to
the
front
of
the
building
will
in
fact,
showcase
architect,
frederick
hale's
work
and,
in
my
opinion,
is,
is
the
right
thing
to
do.
G
D
I'm
trying
to
trying
to
pull
up
the
right.
You
know
the
motion
she's
here,
I'm
not
as
fast
as
I
used
to
be
so,
let's
see
here
all
right
regarding
pln
hlc,
2021
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motion
to
approve,
as
proposed
consistent
with
a
staff
recommendation
by
the
way,
based
on
the
analysis
and
findings
listed
in
the
staff
report,
the
information
presented
and
the
input
received
during
the
public
hearing.
D
I
move
that
we
approve
petition,
p,
l,
n,
h,
l
c
2021,
oh
a
request
for
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
minor
alterations
at
the
salisbury
mansion,
with
the
following
direction.
Number
one
approval
of
all
final
design
details,
including
specific
direction
expressed
by
the
commission,
shall
be
delegated
to
planning
staff
and
I
believe,
that's
all.
I
need
to
say.
G
D
E
H
B
H
B
J
J
J
J
J
J
So
my
recommendation
for
this
project
is
that
staff
finds
that
the
proposed
changes,
except
for
the
dormer,
as
listed
on
the
staff
report
and
demonstrated
on
this
presentation,
meet
the
standards
for
certificate
of
providence.
However,
the
dormer
has
proposed
as
not
supporting
it
to
the
roof
and
the
scale
of
the
home,
and
therefore,
staff
finds
that
the
dormer
does
not
meet
the
standards
for
certificate
of
appropriateness
either
as
it
was
built
or
is,
is
proposed
right
now.
J
J
J
G
H
G
J
J
D
J
What
the
proposal
is
is
to
change
these
three
windows.
Three
vinyl
windows
to
wood
windows,
double
hung
where
it's
appropriate
and
change
the
the
print
facade
window
on
on
the
on
underneath
the
porch
and
then
on
the
gable
to
wood
windows,
double
hung
windows,
and
let
me
show
you
a
better
picture
of
this
sorry,
okay,.
J
Our
next
slide
is
the
doors,
so
there
were,
there
are
two
doors
to
on
this
home,
one
on
the
front
facade
and
one
on
the
on
the
basement,
which
were
doors
that
are
out
of
period,
and
they
do
not
have
have
nothing
to
do
with
the
architectural
style
of
this
home,
and
the
proposal
is
to
change
this
front
door
window
here
to
this
salvage
door.
That
is,
that
relates
to
the
period
of
significance
of
this
home
and
also
the
architectural
style.
J
The
next
proposal
is
the
front
gable,
as
you
can
see
during
the
renovation
they
removed
this
barge
board
this
wood
barge
board.
That
gives
a
character
to
this
property
and
they
replaced
it
with
this
fascia,
and
our
recommendation
is
to
remove
the
the
this
fascia
and
reinstall
the
sparge
board.
This
wood
barge
board,
with
the
same
design,
to
restore
some
of
the
character
of
this
home.
J
J
J
G
J
J
And
here's
a
ques,
you
know
here's
what
staff
was
requesting.
You
know
to
reduce
the
size
of
the
stormer
by
reducing
that
the
the
width
of
the
dormer
and
our
response
from
the
applicant
is
that
the
dormers
necessary,
because
of
this
new
stairwell
that
they
put
in
they
made
this
loft
area
habitable.
It
used
to
be
just
you
know,
attic
space
and
by
bringing
changing
the
stairwell
to
a
bigger
stairwell.
J
J
This
is
the
reason
why
we're
here
and
we
staff
finds
that
you
know
the
changes
to
the
hip.
Roof
are
positive
changes,
but
it's
still
not
enough
that
the
the
dormer
should
be
reduced
in
the
width
to
be
to
be
more
in
scale
and
to
be
so
subordinate
to
the
to
the
home.
So
we're
we're
recommending
denial
of
the
just
the
dormer
but
recommending
approval
of
the
other
items,
and
this
is
the
end
of
my
presentation,
the
last
slide.
So
if
you
have
any
questions
I'll
be
happy
to.
G
G
J
B
B
And
if
you
compare
the
two
drawings,
the
drawing
on
the
left
and
count
the
risers
and
the
the
drawing
on
the
right
and
count,
the
risers
are
probably
the
same.
The
drawing
on
the
right
shows
what
is
is
common.
You
know
an
11
11
and
a
half
inch
tread
six
inch
riser.
I
get
that
the
the
original
one.
You
know
that
that
was
demolished.
B
It's
a
much
much
narrower
stair
and
the
the
rise
is
very
steep.
However,
it's
very
narrow-
and
you
can
see
the
the
landing
space
is,
is
generous,
and
so
if
a
dormer
were
placed
you
know
in
in
that
location,
you
know
it
would
be
a
significantly
different
look.
Now,
that's
just
that's
just
a
statement
so
that
you
know
babs
and
and
and
others
does,
does
that
make
sense
what
I
just
said.
G
Mike
richardson
here
that
makes
total
sense
and
in
fact,
if
you
look
at
the
distance
from
the
original
stair
to
the
original
wall
in
the
distance
from
the
new
stair
to
the
original
wall,
it
would
beg
the
question.
Why
is
the
dormer
necessary
at
all?
So
perhaps
that
question
will
unfold
as
the
applicant.
B
Fair
enough,
no,
I
understand
I
just
I
just
wanted
to
sorry.
I
just
wanted
to
drive
that
home
that
that
what
the
ser
that
was
there
worked
according
to
the
you
know
to
the
you
know
the
codes
and
regulations
back
then
they
they
wouldn't
today,
but
once
it's
moved,
that's
what
you
know
the
second
stair.
You
know
the
one
that's
shown
here,
that's
the
resultant
so
anyway,
I
believe.
E
It's
an
eight
rise
and
a
nine
run.
You
know,
eight
nine
inch
tread
and-
and
I
think
that
part
of
the
reason
why
that
was
adopted
was
because
it
was
sort
of
taken
into
account
some
of
these
existing
homes
and
being
able
to
work
around
that.
I'm
just
kind
of
you
know
maybe
speculating
a
little
bit,
but
the
fact
is,
though,
is
going
back
to
the
comment
about
those
stairs
being
generous
understood
for
comfort
level.
We
would
all
love
to
have
a
7-eleven
rise
and
run.
B
I
mean
jessica,
you're,
absolutely
totally
correct.
I
live
in
a
hundred
and
eleven
year
old
house
and
our
stairs
to
the
to
the
attic
now
we're
probably
seven
and
a
half
eight
inches,
and
I
have
to
walk
sideways
because
they're
not
even
close
to
11
they're
closer
to
maybe
a
a
nine
inch,
tread
plus
or.
G
N
J
So
yeah
the
the
building
permit
was
approved
for
work
done
on
the
internal
internal
part
of
the
the
home,
and
at
this
point
there
were
no
dormers,
so
you
know
certified
for
properness
was
not
necessary,
except
for
changing
replacing
windows
materials.
You
know,
siding
all
of
the
other
stuff
would
have.
You
know,
required
a
certificate
of
appropriateness,
but
not
you
know
not
the
the
changes
internally
because
it
wouldn't
affect
the
exterior
of
the
building.
C
I
just
want
to
be
clear
from
the
city's
point
of
view
that
we
did
not.
This
wasn't
flagged
up
and
the
building
permit
came
in
because
these
items
weren't
on
the
permit-
and
so
we
never
got
flagged
to
commit.
You
know
come
to
the
commission.
I
know
that
carl
leaf
did
go
out
to
the
property
at
one
point:
I'm
muting
those
who
are
unmuted
because
of
feedback.
N
M
Hello,
I
am
maylie
nelson.
This
is
my
husband
mitch,
nelson
hello.
We
are
the
owners
of
almond
street
just
to
kind
of
give
a
little
bit
of
backstory
and
hopefully
in
your
packet.
You
saw
a
little
bit
of
our
story,
but
when
we
took
this
project
on
almost
two
years
ago,
we
had
every
intention
to
follow
the
historical
you
know:
recommendations
throughout
the
entire
process.
We,
this
is
not
our
first
rodeo.
We
have
worked
with
the
historical
prop.
You
know
not
necessarily
salt
lake,
but
ogden
multiple
times.
M
So
we
knew
that
this
was
something
we
had
to
do
along
the
entire
way.
However,
we
hired
a
contractor
that
eight
months
into
the
project
decided
to
that
he
he
actually
split
ways
with
the
the
contractor
that
had
the
license
and
he
stopped
pulling
permits
and
stopped
the
process
of
getting
the
approval
from
the
historical.
M
Without
letting
us
know-
and
all
of
this
was
what
we
thought
you
know
every
step
of
the
way
it
was
just
getting
you
know
spent
through
and
it
was
just
getting.
You
know,
check,
check,
check,
no
big
deal
no
big
deal
and
then
all
of
a
sudden
we
call
katy
and
go
why.
Why
do
we
have
this?
You
know
non-compliance
essentially
and
well,
obviously,
news
to
us.
She
said:
well,
it's
all
wrong,
I'm
like!
M
Oh,
no,
so
we
panicked,
it
was
not
built
to
our
original
plan,
so
we
did
have
original
plans
and
I'm
sorry
that
that
wasn't
submitted
in
your
packet.
Our
original
plans
that
the
dormer
was
not
necessary
at
all.
Actually,
the
way
we
had
it
originally
designed
and
how
we
had
it
structured.
It
was
actually
up
against
the
wall
where
the
stairs
were,
and
they
would
turn
and
come
up.
I
don't
exactly
know
why
he
chose
to
do
that.
It
is
a
beautiful
design.
M
If
you
ever
do
go
inside
the
home,
you'll
be
like
wow,
it
is
absolutely
astonishing
and
so
beautiful.
However,
I
understand
that
it
is
not
too
the
historical
you
know
requirements
and
I'm
very
sad
about
that.
So
obviously
we
are
willing
to
do
whatever
it
takes.
Our
request
at
this
time
is
just
simply
not
make
us
change
the
entire
staircase,
so
it
was
a
25
000
staircase
and
it
is
gorgeous,
it
is
hand
built
it's
custom,
steel
and
almond
wood.
M
That
is
the
staircase
so
to
restructure
that
entire
pro
it
would
have
to
restructure
the
entire
layout.
Also,
I
just
want
to
say
there
was
no
stairs
going
up
upstairs
at
all
originally,
so
there
was
no
stairs
going
downstairs
and
there's
no
stairs
going
upstairs.
So
there's
three
levels
and
there's
no
way
to
get
to
either
of
them.
It
was
we
had
to
tear
it
down
to
the
studs.
It
was
a
350
000
remodel.
It
was
a
lot
like
the
biggest
project
we've
ever
taken
on
still
today.
M
So
that's
the
biggest
thing
is
we're
absolutely
willing
to
do
whatever
it
takes
to
fix
the
things
that
need
to
be
fixed,
and
we
already
agreed
to
you
know
the
siding
and,
of
course,
all
that
needs
to
be
fixed
right.
That
that
that's
an
obvious,
but
it's
just
the
fact
that,
can
we
just
fix
right
or
proposal
what
we
submitted.
That's
what
we're
requesting
anything
else.
You
want
to
add.
E
K
K
K
So
thank
you
to
katya,
but
we've
been
working
to
try
to
correct,
what's
been
going
on
we're
happy
to
do
everything
we're
asking
for
special
permission
to
do
the
hip
roof
on
the
dormer
simply
because
of
the
cost
of
what
would
I
mean?
Ultimately,
you
know
to
restructure
the
entire
home
and
change
the
staircase,
we're
approaching
a
hundred
thousand
dollars,
and
it
at
that
point
you
know
it's.
It's
an
abandonment
of
of
the
project.
K
You
know,
so
we
understand
that
that
that
it
wasn't
followed
we're
sharing
with
you
that
our
intentions
were
to
to
follow
the
guidelines
from
the
beginning,
but
they
weren't
followed
by
by
the
contractor.
Unfortunately,
so
we
wanna,
we
wanna,
fix
it
as
much
as
possible
and
we're
appealing
to
your
humanity
and
you're.
You
know
it
and
asking
for
for
this
one
exception
on
the
dormer.
M
M
Also,
I
don't
know
if
they
wanted
to
share
kind
of
their
thoughts
on
what
they're
thinking,
but
he
is
also
a
historian
and
he,
I
think,
proposed
and
sent
with
the
packet
just
a
lot
of
dormers
that
are
in
the
area
and
when
we
did
drive
around
and
look
at
a
bunch
of
dormers,
it
looks
there's
a
lot.
They
are
the
same
anyway,
that's
the
same
yeah.
So
that's
obviously
your
guys's
decision,
but
it
doesn't
look
that
bad.
I
mean
it
looks
great.
B
C
I
I
I
B
C
I
C
I
H
A
I
D
You
know
that's
what
we
do
on
this
committee
is
that,
when
we're
presented
with
these
items
that
on
our
own
time,
we
visit
them
and
we
even
have
special
stinking
badges
that
tell
people
we
are
with
the
historical
landmarks
commission,
so
that
people
don't
shoot
us
when
we
are
walking
around
properties.
So.
N
B
H
Sure
am
I
I'm
I'm
unmuted,
I
you
know,
I
don't
have
much
to
say
beyond
just
echoing
the
sentiment
that
gregory
shared
with
with
all
of
you.
I
am
their
realtor,
so
I've
helped
them
in
the
purchasing
process,
and
I
know
that
they
have.
They
are
under
contract
to
sell
the
current
home
they're
in
so
it
would
be
devastating
to
them.
H
If
this
property
isn't
approved
and,
like
gregory
said
we
can't
offer,
you
know-
apologies
for
the
the
sellers
themselves,
but
it
is
a
case
where
I
think
begging
for
forgiveness,
because
permission
wasn't
seeked
is
what
what
we're
doing
so
we're
just
keeping
our
fingers
crossed
that
you
would
be
willing
to
consider
a
roof
modification
instead
of
with
modifications,
so
that
they
will
be
able
to
call
this
their
new
home.
Thank.
H
C
A
Okay,
this
is
lori
kayla's,
I'm
one
of
the
investors.
I
live
at
4512
west
meadow
bend
drive
in
harriman
utah,
and
I
just
wanted
to
mention
that
mitch
and
maylie
nelson
the
owners
they
they
did
hire
a
contractor
who
had
done
extensive
work
on
other
historical
landmark
buildings
and
the
contractor
had
done
a
beautiful,
wonderful
job.
So
they
had
every
reason
to
trust
him
to
follow
the
historical
requirements
for
this
oman
almond.
A
So
I
just
wanted
to
mention
that
and
that
it
was
just
very
sad
when
they
found
out
what
had
really
happened,
that
he
split
ways
with
his
partner.
Who
was
the
licensed
one
and
did
not
tell
them,
and
so
they
thought
that
he
was
continuing
to
pull
the
permits
like
he
did
in
the
very
beginning
of
the
project.
A
F
F
I
just
would
like
to
make
a
plea
that
you
would
make
an
exception
into
the
under
the
circumstances
and
realizing
that
you
know
not
being
able
to
go
in
to
talk
to
you
folks,
because
a
covid
that
that's
a
whole
different
ball
game.
But
the
delay
has
been
you
know
pretty
devastating
and
there's
been
a
lot
of
homes
in
that
area
that
have
had
changes,
and
I
think
it's
probably
fair
to
say
that
not
every
one
of
them
are
spot
on
and
the
fact
that
this
is
done.
F
H
B
I
I
C
L
Well,
maybe
we
shouldn't
have,
but
we
fell
in
love
with
this
property
and
even
more
so
when
we
read
the
history
of
it
in
that
staff
report
it
was
great
and
despite
all
the
travails
we've
been
through
just
to
get
to
this
point
and
whatever
comes
after
this,
we
still
excuse
me
feel
that
the
house
was
meant
for
us
and
for
our
family,
and
so
we
came
to
speak
for
it.
Thanks
for
allowing
us
to
be
here
and
participate.
H
C
C
D
Way-
and
it
looks
like
I'm-
gonna
hit
your
head
there's
some
there's
an
interesting
letter
that
was
received.
That
hasn't
been
mentioned
here
from
an
attorney
kelly
fowler,
who
stated
that
he's
glad
the
owners
have
agreed
to
replace
the
windows
because
who
puts
vinyl
windows
in
the
avenues?
We
all
know
better
the
front
door
which
doesn't
match
the
age
of
the
property.
D
It's
more
like
mid-century,
modern
on
this
restore
the
gable
trim,
nice
and
ditch
the
vinyl
siding
good.
The
dormer
is
a
tough
one,
and
then
he
comments.
These
are
not
newbie
investors,
they
teach
classes
they
offer
paid
subscriptions
for
their
instructive
videos
and
have
a
youtube
channel
on
real
estate
investing.
Maybe
they
weren't
used
to
dealing
with
historic
homes
or
aware
a
coa
would
be
required,
but
the
city
rep
asked
them
point
blank.
D
If
they'd
be
working
on
the
exterior
and
they
lied
and
said
no
in
the
video,
they
complain
about
the
city
and
the
money
it
delays,
its
delays
have
cost
them.
The
house
definitely
looks
better
than
before
and
I'm
sure
the
new
buyers
would
be
a
great
addition
to
the
neighborhood,
but
the
historic
commission
exists
for
a
reason
if
there
aren't
any
consequences.
D
What
are
these
folks
teaching
their
followers
as
far
as
alternative
solutions
to
shrink
the
size
of
that
dormer?
Perhaps
the
stairs
could
be
reconfigured.
We
discussed
that
beginning
at
the
end
and
blah
blah
blah
that
could
allow
the
dormer
to
be
reduced
to
about
nine
feet
or
even
six
feet
of
access
to
the
area
between
the
stairs
and
the
dormer
windows.
Isn't
an
issue
going
on
to
say
he
doesn't
envy
you
or
the
new
buyers
in
this
situation?
G
B
N
Would
it
not
be
fair
to
give
the
applicants
a
chance
to
respond
to
that,
because
the
contention
is
that
all
of
this
information
was
known
well
in
advance
at
you
know,
potentially
at
the
point
of
permitting
and
was
recorded
and
published
for
all
of
us
to
see,
including
dissatisfaction
with
the
process.
So
I
I
would
like
to
hear
I.
N
My
heart
goes
out
to
you
on
having
retained
someone
who
did
not
do
what
he
said
he
would,
but
I'm
really
struggling
with
this
and
as
someone
who
is
not
an
architect
as
someone
who
has
very
steep
stairs
in
her
1941
house.
As
someone
who
doesn't
have
the
luxury
of
25
000
staircases.
As
someone
who
wants
to
advocate
for
the
complete
protection
of
salt
lake
history,
I
would
like
to
know
what
your
answer
is
for
the
apparent
flippant
publication
of
your
reaction
to
the
city
processes
in
advance
of
the
creation
of
this
dormer.
E
If
I
may
add
to
that
victoria
I
am
having
heartburn,
I
think,
just
I
think,
is
sort
of
a
obviously
not
in
our
purview,
but
just
in
the
general
challenges
of
the
housing
market
in
salt
lake
city,
that
we
have
investors
that
are
coming
in
here.
That
are,
you
know,
sort
of,
like
I
think
it's
been
said,
a
number
of
times
asking
for
forgiveness
rather
than
getting
permission.
You
know,
especially
where
it's
also
been
stated
a
couple
of
times.
E
K
K
That
way
are
so
that
they're,
the
the
contractor
that
we
hired
in
addition
to
all
the
problems
that
we
have,
our
initial
instructions
to
them
were
get
the
permits
from
the
from
the
building
department
and
work
with
the
historical
society
to
make
sure
that
this
is
the
code,
those
those
were
in
fact
we
hired
him
specifically
because
of
that,
like
melee
said,
we
usually
do
projects
that
are
more
cosmetic
in
nature.
That
don't
require
such
scope
in
in
structure
that
don't
require
architectural
plans.
K
K
You
guys
we
didn't
talk
to
god.
We
didn't
talk
to
anyone
yeah,
we
didn't.
We
didn't
talk
to
any
of
you
personally
until
until
we
receive
that.
What's
the
name
of
the
document
notice
of
non-compliance,
is
that
what
it's
called?
So
you
know
it's?
It's
been
a
learning
process
for
sure
our
instructions
were
not
followed.
The
the
the
frustration
that
was
expressed
was
inappropriate
and
I
apologize
for
it
because
the
nature
of
it
was
a
third
party.
N
According
to
what
I
mean
correct
me?
If
I'm
wrong
from
what
I'm
hearing
from
what
you
told
us,
is
that
the
there
wasn't
a
need
for
a
dormer
initially
or
that
it
wasn't
going
to
be
that
big
or
something,
and
but
in
the
recording
that
you
published
you're
referencing
these
exterior
modifications
that
were
not
included
from
what
I
can
see
in
that
original.
Permit.
E
K
Yeah,
like
I
said
our
our
our
experience,
is
more
in
cosmetic
flips.
We
we
hired
this
person
because
of
their
their
experience
and
their
their
ability
to
and
an
experience
in
working
with
the
city,
and
so
there
was
a
level
of
misplaced
trust.
Now,
as
far
as
the
the
question
about
you
know,
knowing
ahead
of
time,
so
when
we
were
told
that
there
needs
to
be
a
dormer,
I
I
accepted
it,
I
mean
he,
you
know.
K
Never
he
never
told
us
that
he
wasn't
going
to
pull
permits
for
it
or
that
he
wasn't
going
to
get
it
approved
by
the
historical
society
we
based
on
our
original
agreement
and
our
original
contract.
We
had
put
trust
in
him
that
he
was
going
to
do
what
he
agreed
to
do
from
the
beginning
and
that
that
wasn't
done.
M
We
would
go
and
see
the
property.
Everything
looked
great,
you
know,
and
he
said
you
know
part
of
it
was
then
it
would
go
well.
I
had
to
the
city
made
us
put
this
still
beam
in
that
cost.
Us
I
mean
an
abnormal
amount
and
I
thought
why
do
we
need
a
still
beam
there?
I
mean,
like
I
mean
multiple
different
things.
He
would
tell
us
it
was
necessary
because
the
city
and
you
know,
was
requiring
things
so
to
our
understanding.
It
was
like.
K
Miss
petra
you,
you
had
asked
made
the
comment
that
we
knew
along.
You
know
along
the
way
in
the
recorded
video
on
our
youtube
channel.
If
you,
if
you
go
back
and
look
at
the
age
of
the
channel,
our
oldest
video
is
about
three
four
months
old
and
and
this
particular
property
was
our
second
video.
So
it's
only
about
three
months
old
we've
been.
K
You
know.
This
has
been
since
we
about
the
time
that
we
actually
fired
the
contractor
about
three
months
ago.
Most
of
that,
the
conversations
that
we
had
that
we
filmed
they
were
staged
and
recorded
within
two
weeks
of
posting
that
video.
It
was
more
just
to
kind
of
set
the
stage
and
and
stay
with
the
the
thematic
you
know,
attitude
of
the
channel,
so
it
it
wasn't
known
at
the
time.
It
was
known
later
that
you
know
that
was
that
was
out
of
compliance.
G
M
G
G
H
K
C
K
K
G
H
H
B
G
C
E
G
D
K
H
D
C
C
K
No,
no,
so
we
he,
he
was
partners,
apparently
this.
This
is
how
I
understand
it
now.
I
didn't
understand
at
the
time
so
alexa
holmes
is
who
we
who
we
contracted
with.
That
was
a
partnership.
Now
we
were
working
with
the
individual,
apparently
that
wasn't
the
the
contracted
partner
or
the
the
licensed
partner.
I
never
met
the
the
licensed
partner,
but
they
split
ways
about
four
months
into
the
project
and
did
not
let
us
know
that
now
they
didn't
have
a
license
as
they
were
working
on
this.
This
property.
K
Okay,
a
historic
experiment
but
had
worked
with
so
our
requirements,
and
I
asked
them
these
questions
leading
up
to
me
hiring
them
in
the
first
place.
You
know.
Obviously,
do
you
have
a
license?
Yes,
our
requirement
is
that
you're
gonna
need
to
work
with
the
city
for
building
permits
and
with
the
historical
society,
because
this
is
an
historic
home.
Is
there
a
problem
with
that?
K
M
K
So
steve
has
is
someone
that
we've
worked
on
other
projects
with,
as
we've
mentioned
before,
the
our
bread
and
butter
are
cosmetic,
flips
things
we
don't
need
to
change
structural
stuff
on,
and
so
you
know
up
until.
Just
a
few
months
ago,
steve
was
a
handyman,
and
actually
the
real
push
for
steve
to
get
his
license
was
so
that
he
could
take
over
this
project,
because
the
previous
contractor
was
failing
in
his
responsibilities.
Last.
M
Thing
I
do
want
to
say
is:
if
you
anybody
does
watch
our
show
or
anything
like
that.
We
are
actually
history.
Buffs,
we
love.
That's
our
favorite
part
about
what
we
do
is
actually
taking
these
old
homes
or
any
rundown
home.
Frankly,
that's
an
eyesore,
that's
causing
meth,
you
know
it's
a
meth
home
or
it's
a
mold
home
and
it's
it's
a
horrible
eyesore
to
these
this
community
right.
M
It's
investors
like
us
that
do
care
that
is
changing
the
face
of
the
community
and
I
don't
want
you
know
I
I
want
to
be
able
to
do
this.
I
want
the
people
who
have
also
partnered
up
with
us
to
want
to
continue
to
keep
wanting
to
to
make
a
difference
in
the
community.
Obviously
we
did
it
wrong.
I
get
that
we
totally
failed
miserably
on
this
property.
I
get
I'll
take
complete
responsibility
on
that.
I
should
have
known
those
things
I
absolutely
should
have
been
following
up
with
more.
M
I
should
have
gone
to
the
you
know
the
website
and
figured
out
who
was
on
the
licensee.
Who
was
being
you
know
under
control.
I
should
have
seen
the
the
you
know
license
in
the
window.
I
should
you
know,
there's
so
many
things
that
yes
red
flags
galore.
I
honestly
just
wasn't
like
present.
I
was
busy
doing
other
things.
So
I'm
sorry
again,
this
is
my
like.
K
E
K
K
Checking
in
you
know,
communication,
especially
at
first
was
great,
but
we
were
being
told
that
things
were
being
done,
that
weren't
that
weren't
being
done-
and
I
think
that's
where
you
know
it
was
it-
was
a
misplaced
trust
in
the
contractor,
and
you
know
to
to
ms
ma's
point.
I
I
think
that's
very
good
advice
and
you
know
we
should
have
not
trusted
as
much
and
had
our
pulse
on.
You
know
checking
more
what
was
being
done
with
the
city
and
with
the
historical
commission.
M
G
Okay
yeah
chairperson
villa
this,
is
a
historic
landmarks
commission
meeting
and
we're
not
really
charged
with
the
cost
of
things
or
or
the
economics
of
it
or
all
of
the
the
social
aspects
of
our
contractual
aspects
of
it.
We're
concerned
with
the
historical
aspects
of
the
project,
and
I
would
like
to
move.
N
B
Yeah
and
I
I
appreciate
what
you
just
said
david
and
that's
that's
why
I
read
what
I
did
right
at
the
beginning,
that
what
our
charge
is
as
a
commission
is
to
make
recommendations
to
the
city
council
on
policy
and
ordinances
related
to
preservation
in
salt
lake
city,
that
that's
that's
what
we're
charged
to
do.
That's
the
number
one
thing,
and
so
I
I
appreciate
what
you
just
said,
because
it's
just
you
know
we
are
responsible
for
reviewing
and
making
decisions
on
on
land
use
and
modifications
everything
that
happens
in
in
these
districts.
G
Well,
I'm
happy
to-
and
I
wouldn't
mind
following
up
at
the
end,
but
this
is
my
neighborhood
and
into
a
large
degree
as
an
architect.
This
is
my
business
and-
and
I
think
that
this
project
in
many
ways
is
an
enforcement
issue,
is
so
great,
egregious
that
there
has
been
a
lot
that
is
lost
in
the
detail
and
I'm
going
to
try
and
describe
some
of
my
comments
here
about
that
I
mean
the
first
is
the
elephant
in
the
room,
which
is
this
dormer,
and
it
is
absolutely
too
big.
G
G
Instead,
what
I
saw
when
I
visited
this
house
was
inappropriately
sized
trim.
The
the
door
casing
is
much
larger
than
the
original
I'd
outsized,
the
prints
on
the
door
and
the
rosettes
on
the
door
rather
and
on
the
north
side
of
the
house.
There
were
these
little
teeny,
tiny
home
depot
style
rosettes
with
big
trims
surrounding
vinyl
windows
staff
is
correct.
G
G
G
There
are
multiple
sightings
on
this
house.
The
original
sighting
is
wonderful
and
the
applicants
should
be
commended
for
discovering
and
restoring
this
sighting.
I
do
not
know
if
they
contacted
the
division
of
air
quality
before
removing
asbestos,
but
the
sidiness.
There
is
wonderful
and
should
be
celebrated,
and
I
think
the
applicant
should
choose
one
or
two
additional
sightings
to
complete
the
project
with
not
the
pollyanna
sightings
that
exist.
B
L
F
F
It
does.
The
siding
looks
great.
I
agree
like
most
of
the
changes
are
positive.
They
brought
back.
They
reintroduced
a
lot
of
this
or
look
of
the
house.
It's
hard
not
to
be
frustrated
though,
and
it's
it's
a
flipper
who's
coming
in
from
out
of
the
city
and
kind
of
you
know
like
it's,
it's
our
it's.
Our
city's
shared
heritage
that,
in
in
people's
haste
for
a
quick
flip,
are
changing
and
that's
it
doesn't
sit
right,
obviously
I'll
leave
it.
There.
C
N
C
E
E
E
E
With
that
being
said,
I
mean,
and
I'm
not
trying
to
stifle
conversation
on
this,
but
with
that
being
said,
it
was
in
the
staff
report
that
potentially
the
dormer
is
tabled,
because
I-
and
I
think,
maybe
you
know,
staff
correct
me,
but
I
think
maybe
the
reason
that
that
was
proposed
was
because
there
was
just
there
was
the
the
you
know.
There
was
a
a
lacking
of
information,
the
plans.
I
think
we
all
agree
on
that.
There's
not
a
lot
of
information
there.
E
I
think
we
could
have
benefited
from
having
seen
a
few
other
options
or
you
know
another
option
at
least,
but
I
think
where
it's
at
right
now,
I
I
don't
feel
comfortable
approving
it.
I
feel
like
there
was,
and-
and
if
I
may,
if
I
may,
I
I
want
to
sort
of
backtrack
a
little
bit
as
far
as
the
applicant's
you
know,
obligations
and
where
it
you
know,
falls
with
their
contractor.
E
E
C
And
for
the
benefit
of
the
landmark
commission,
if
I
could
respond
to
that
generally,
these
enforcement
cases,
quite
frankly,
they
require
a
large
amount
of
human
resource
in
the
planning
division.
That's
already
quite
strapped,
because
we
can't
we're
lucky.
We
have
what
we
have
at
most
meetings
when
we
bring
these
to
you
either
because
there's
a
money
issue,
you
have
to
hire
an
architect
and
owners
generally,
don't
want
to
do
that.
E
Well
with
that
being
said,
michaela,
I
I
feel
like
that
this,
then
you
know
with
precedent
everything
that
all
of
my
fellow
commissioners
have
talked
about
that.
Unfortunately,
this
is
is
not
this
is
this
falls
back
to
the
owners?
I
feel
like
that.
They,
unfortunately
I
feel
like
need
to
come
up
with
a
solution.
That's
going
to
satisfy
the
the
design
criteria.
You
know.
Unfortunately,
you
know,
as
I
stated
earlier,
you
can't
come
and
ask
for
forgiveness.
E
B
So
I
want
to
go
back
to
two
comments,
one
that
victoria
made
and
then
a
comment
that
that
that
david
made
victoria-
if
if
it
had
gone
through
the
proper
channels
in
a
dormer
wherever
the
dormer
was
was
proposed,
then
then
we
would
have
been
able
to
say
it.
You
know
it
either
meets
the
criteria
in
terms
of
with
heights
and
and
relationship
to
the
building
or
not.
B
You
know
it
was
quote
too
big,
too
small
whatever,
but
there's
there's
criteria
at
an
elevation
as
to
how
big
a
dormer
can
be
that
that's
that's
one
thing
you
know
if
we
would
have
had
an
opportunity
to
say,
gentlemen,
you
know,
ladies
and
gentlemen,
in
this
case
this
looks
too
big.
This
doesn't
meet
the
the
requirements
period.
So
you
need
to
to
look
at
the
positioning
of
the
stair
to
push
that
back
from
the
exterior
wall
and
and,
as
jessica
said,
the
head
height
six
foot.
Eight
is
a
code
minimum
period.
B
You
know
looking
at
at
some
of
those
photographs,
it
looks
like
no,
it
it
hasn't
been
met.
So
there's
there's
a
number
of
sins
that
that
that
have
happened.
You
know,
and
and
the
the
point
that
that
I
wanted
to
make
that
that
david
said,
is
that
there
are
requirements
so
so
had
this
gone
through
appropriately,
it
would
have
been
flagged
and
a
dormer
could
have
been
placed.
B
B
G
G
G
The
third
is
that
the
window
trim
used
on
the
primary
facades,
that
is
the
north
and
the
east
inappropriate,
and
the
fourth
is
that
the
roof,
soffit
and
fascia
details
are
very.
Very
bad.
Aluminum
is
not
right,
so
I'm
going
to
go
with
staff
motion
number
five,
based
on
the
information
listed
in
the
staff
report,
the
information
presented
and
the
input
received
during
our
public
hearing
tonight.
I
move
that
the
commission
deny
petition
plnhlc.
G
Minor
alterations
at
two
two:
nine,
I'm
going
to
disagree
with
that.
I
don't
think
these
are
minor
alterations,
but
the
petition
is
for
alterations
at
229
north
allman,
because
the
evidence
has
been
presented
does
not
demonstrate
that
the
proposal
combined
complies
with
the
historical
standards
of
salt
lake
city.
Thank
you.
B
H
B
B
Well-
and
I
I'd
like
to
add
to
that
bob
said-
I
mean
I'm
an
architect
as
well,
and
I
just
hate
wasting
money
and-
and
I
I
I
see
that
there's
there's
an
issue
with
with
a
contractor
that
that
was
not
doing
what
they
were
supposed
to,
and
you
know
I'm
struggling
with
how
to
how
to
place
the
blame
word
where
it
needs
to
be
financially
and
and
that
you
know
this
kind
of
thing.
Just
simply,
you
know
doesn't
happen
now.
I
understand
buyer
beware.
B
B
You
know
to
an
owner
to
a
city.
I
think
that's
something
that
that
that
perhaps
we
we
address
in
you
know
in
in
our
sessions.
You
know
running
into
the
future,
because
this
is
not
the
first
time
that
that
that
an
owner
has
been
been
told,
a
story
that
that
wasn't
so
and
and
we
we
seem
to
get
one
or
two
of
these
a
year
that
that
is
that
issue.
G
B
I
I
I
very
much
agree
with
that.
You
know
there
were
there
had
there
had
to
have
been
a
structural
stamp,
there
was
an
architectural
and
and
those
that
there
there's
there's
rules
and
and
and
when
I
look
at
this-
and
I
hear
this-
this
is
a
train
wreck
in
in
several
different
directions,
and
you
know
I
I
feel
for
for
the
owners
and
yet
at
the
same
time,
there's
there's
professional
both
on
the
contracting
side
and
and
whoever
prepared
these
plans
architecturally
structurally,
because
I
believe
both
of
those
were
required.
B
E
E
I
think
this
goes
back
to
something
that
we
have
discussed
many
times
as
we
all
have
brought
up
now
that,
unfortunately,
this
seems
to
keep
happening,
and
this
was
something
that
we
brought
up
a
while
back
that
you
know
how
in
the
world
are
we
supposed
to
protect
the
residents?
You
know,
and
I
honestly
have
to
say
I
feel
for
the
buyers.
E
You
know
especially
being
in
a
position
now
where
I'm
selling
my
home
and
I'm
trying
to
sell
my
home
to
somebody
that's
going
to
live
in
the
community
and
appreciate
the
community.
You
know
and
a
lot
of
investors
coming
in
and
things
like
that.
You
know
how
do
we
protect
the
community
and
especially
where
you
have
these
quote-unquote
professionals
that
are
that
that
say
they
care,
but
don't
you
know,
you
know
how
and
and
again
I
as
we've
discussed
previously.
This
falls
somewhat
in
our
purview,
but
a
lot
outside
of
our
purview.
E
E
G
You
know
victoria,
you
are
spot
on,
in
fact,
that
is
a
sound
bite
to
be
reported
or
or
used
if
our
city
attorney
or
or
our
legislative
folks
need
to
use
that
at
the
legislator
later,
I
think
you
you
verbalize
that
perfectly.
That
is
the
challenge
in
this
commission
and
the
way
you
stated
that
and
read
it
into
the
record
tonight
is
oh
my
gosh.
I
wish
I
had
your
eloquence.
Thank
you.
B
H
C
B
J
G
L
G
C
Look
it's
all
in
your
packet.
I
know
that
you've
read
it
we're
updating
our
commission's
policies
and
procedures
because
they
haven't
been
updated
for
almost
a
decade,
so
they
needed
a
fresh
look
and
in
my
memo
I
basically
just
go
through.
We
wanted
to
first
of
all,
just
change
them
to
policies
and
procedures.
C
C
I
did
delete
a
large
section
about
accepting
surveys,
an
rls
survey
and
ils,
because
we
have
a
current
text.
Amendment
running
right
now,
that's
been
initiated
that
amy
thompson
is
working
on
in
our
office,
basically
laying
that
out
in
the
zoning
ordinance
officially,
so
we
have
official
record
official
process
official
factors
to
consider
and
standards,
that's
a
more
appropriate
place
to
put
that
rather
than
policies
and
procedures
or
challenging
the
status
of
a
property
right,
that's
a
question.
C
C
L
C
Okay,
I'll
just
go
right
through
organization.
There's
some
news:
some,
the
state
law,
has
the
state
just
put
some
new
requirements
in
for
the
planning
commission.
So
I
just
kept
it
open
in
k-state
law
changes
and
requires
the
landmark
commission
to
do
any
training
so
that
we
don't
have
to
update
these.
If
next
session
they
decide,
you
need
one
hour
a
year
and
then
the
next
session
they
decide.
You
need
17
hours
a
year.
G
C
C
C
C
All
the
rest
of
the
conflict
information
is
there
I
added
in
work
session.
We
didn't
have
that,
then,
that
all
the
conflict
rules
apply
to
a
work
session
as
well,
because
it's
still
a
matter
that's
coming
up.
We
did
address
some
electronic
meetings
a
because
of
covid.
Let's
put
it
in
there
how
they're
conducted
and
just
referenced
those.
C
C
C
Remember
the
commission's
permitted
to
vote
on
any
motion
unless
the
member
is
present.
Just
more
more
of
that,
I
changed
them
to
public
your
rules
of
procedure
to
policies
and
procedures,
just
because
that's
also
what
the
city
code
calls
it.
I'm
referencing
we
used
to
call
it
the
record
of
decision
now
we've
now
we
call
it
the
summary
of
actions
which
we
think
is
a
better
title
and
we
will
post
that
tomorrow,
so
aubry
or
marlene,
always
post
that
out.
You
see
it
come
through
our
listserv.
C
C
C
Any
changes
to
the
policies
and
procedures
you
all
have
to
make
a
staff.
We
can't
just
go
ahead
and
change
them.
You
need
to
provide
a
motion
tonight
or,
if
you're
not
comfortable,
with
doing
it
tonight,
to
make
these
changes.
I
can
bring
back
this
document
at
the
next
meeting.
It's
completely
up
to
you.
C
B
B
You
know
as
needed
and
I'm
and
I'm
very
cognizant
of
the
fact
that
that
and
and
I'm
and
I'm
willing
to
and
yearn
honestly
to
have
the
training
so
that
we
don't
waste
any
time
that
anything
that
we
do
we're
not
doing
incorrectly.
That,
then,
has
to
go.
You
know
that
is
countermatted
by
by
a
city
council
or
you
know,
as
it
moves
up
the
chain,
and
so
I
want
to
make
certain
that
that
everything
that
we
do
is
is
everything
that
it's
supposed
to
be,
and
so
the
I
guess.
B
What
I'm
just
saying
is
that
the
education
part-
I
I'm
I'm
very,
very
willing
to
to
participate
in
that,
because
I,
I
think
it's
our
duty
to
do
everything
the
way
we're
supposed
to
so
far.
In
my
time
on
the
commission,
I
don't
believe,
there's
been
any
cases
that
that
have
quote
been
overturned
that
the
decisions
that
we've
made
you
know
haven't
been
problematic
and-
and
I
go
back
to
what
you
know,
our
legal
counsel
had
said
that.
That's
really
that's
an
important
aspect.
C
It's
important
that
we
lay
out
our
staff
reports
and
that
you
discuss
these
in
detail.
The
landmark
commission
isn't
appealed
very
often
when
you
are
appealed.
You
are
generally
never
overturned
by
an
appeals.
Hearing
officer
the
planning
commission
is
appealed
so
much
more
often
and
they
are
overturned
more
than
you
were
overturned
as
a
body,
but
they're
appealed.