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Salt Lake City Historic Landmarks Commission Meeting - February 03, 2022
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https://www.slc.gov/boards/historic-landmark-commission-agendas-minutes/
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Good
evening,
everyone,
third
of
february
2022.,
welcome.
I
need
to
read
this
here
to
begin.
The
meeting
I
mike
vela,
chair
of
the
historic
landmark
commission,
hereby
determine
that
with
the
ongoing
covid19
pandemic
conditions
existing
in
salt
lake
county,
including,
but
not
limited
to
the
elevated
number
of
cases,
that
meetings
at
an
anchor
location
presents
a
substantial
risk
to
the
health
and
safety
of
those
who
would
be
present.
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Thanks
for
giving
me
the
opportunity
to
share
some
good
news,
I
frequently
complain
about
things.
So
when
there's
good
news
to
share,
I
really
want
to
say
something:
nice,
the
central
city,
historic
district,
has
been
chosen
as
the
location
of
the
historic
home
tour
sponsored
by
preservation
utah.
The
date
is,
may
the
21st,
and
just
to
give
you
a
sneak
peek
one
of
the
former
landmarks
commissioners
has
agreed
to
have
a
property
on
the
tour
so
save
the
date.
It's
a
saturday
and
hopefully
we
won't
be
wearing
masks
and
all
that
kind
of
stuff.
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But
preservation,
utah
pulled
off
a
tour
last
fall
and
it
did
not
become
a
super
spreader
event.
So
do
it
again
and
then
the
other
thing
is
that
I
want
to
share
with
you
that
there
has
been
a
wonderful
project
submitted
at
the
intersection
of
fifth
east
and
5th
south
in
the
historic
district.
It's
across
from
the
the
university
of
utah
credit
union.
It's
a
it's
a
house
store.
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I
don't
know
whether
it
will
come
to
you,
but
if
it
doesn't
come
to
the
commission,
I'll
probably
have
to
submit
the
images
of
it
because
it
is
so
great
it
will
improve
the
streetscape.
It
will
be
a
vibrant
place
for
people
to
go
and
walk
to,
and
it's
just
nothing
but
enhancement
of
that
corner,
and
I,
the
enthusiasm
is
already
spreading
in
the
neighborhood.
I
think
it's
been
assigned
to
a
planner
it's
identified
as
a
minor
alteration.
I
don't
know
whether
you'll
see
it,
but
it's
way
cool.
Thank
you.
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The
new
construction
request
also
includes
modifications
to
the
underlying
rmf
35
zoning
district,
and
that
modification
includes
a
reduction
in
lot
width
and
a
reduction
in
the
side
and
rare
yard
setbacks.
The
subject
site
is
located
on
two
existing
parcels
at
226
and
230
west
300
north
and
is
within
the
capitol
hill,
local
historic
district.
H
Sorry
about
that,
the
permitted
number
of
units
on
the
site
is
16
residential
units
in
the
rmf
35
district,
the
historic
structure
on
the
site
currently
houses,
four
residential
units,
the
proposed
marmalade
condo
project-
will
provide
an
additional
12
units
within
the
townhouse
and
duplex
housing.
Type
structures
during
steph's
review
is
found
that
the
marmalade
project
is
well
within
the
underlying
zoning
district
standards
in
regard
to
building
height,
where
the
maximum
allowed
is
35
feet,
the
proposal
will
have
a
building
height
of
no
more
than
29
feet,
10
inches
and
building
coverage.
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The
townhouse
structure
is
proposed
to
be
an
eight
plex,
a
row
house
type
of
housing
structure
that
is
proposed
to
be
three
stories
tall.
The
first
floor
of
the
townhouse
structure
will
have
a
two-car
garage
that
faces
the
access
drive
to
the
east
and
includes
an
awning
patio
that
faces
the
west.
A
single
car
garage
will
allow
for
like
a
studio
type
of
area
that
faces
the
west,
which
fronts
along
a
commercial
parking
area.
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The
second
and
fourth,
the
second
and
third
floors
we'll
have
balconies
that
project
four
feet
from
the
east
and
west
facades.
The
second
floor
will
include
mostly
casement
windows.
The
third
floor
will
have
both
casement
and
double
hung
windows.
The
windows
will
have
a
vertical
orientation,
that's
similar
to
the
contributing
structure
on
the
site.
All
four
facades
of
the
row
house
structure
will
include
brick
detailing
as
the
exterior
material.
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The
third
floor
will
have
aluminum
paneling
within
the
balcony
areas,
and
the
balcony
structure
will
be
powder
coated
steel
tubing,
the
north
and
south
facing
facades
will
be
the
same
with
pop-out
projections
with
aluminum
paneling
material.
The
north
and
south
facades
will
also
both
have
casement
and
double
hung
windows
with
vertical
orientation.
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The
two
duplex
structures
will
have
the
same
exterior
elements
similar
to
the
townhouse
structure.
Brick
detailing
will
cover
all
four
facades.
A
two-car
garage
will
face
the
access,
drive
and
casement
and
double-hung
windows
will
be
included
on
the
ground
floor.
The
second
and
third
floors
will
have
windows
similar
to
the
townhouse
structure
and
we'll
also
have
balconies
that
project
four
feet
from
the
facades
of
the
building.
H
The
building
elements
on
the
three
new
structures
will
be
similar
to
the
contributing
four
plex
on
the
site.
Brick
detailing
and
stone
book
build
courses
that
are
present
on
the
1910,
neoclassical,
victorian
style
structure
and
the
vertical
oriented
double
hung
windows
on
the
side.
Facades
of
the
historic
building
are
similar
to
the
proposed
multi-family
structures.
H
Excuse
me,
the
two
contributing
structures
on
226
and
230
west
300
north
will
remain
the
new
construction.
The
new
structures
will
have
minimal
impact
on
the
historic
character
of
300
north
as
they're
set
back
from
300.
North
access
to
this
site
will
also
remain
approximately
the
same
and
regarding
the
site.
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The
rmf
district
also
has
a
10
foot,
minimum
interior
side
yard
setback
as
well
and
for
buildings
with
entrances
that
face
an
interior
property
line.
A
12-foot
setback
is
required.
The
applicant
is
requesting
a
reduction
to
a
six-foot
setback
on
the
townhouse
structure,
which
will
front
along
the
commercial
parking
lot.
The
facade
of
the
townhouse
is
located
10
feet
from
the
property
line
and
the
balconies
project
four
feet
from
the
structure
which
gives
us
the
six
foot
setback.
H
The
final
modification
to
the
underlying
zoning
district
that's
requested
is
a
reduction
in
the
rare
yard
setbacks.
The
rmf
35
district
requires
the
25
of
the
lot
depth
with
a
maximum
of
25
feet,
a
rear
yard
setback.
The
applicant
is
proposing
a
9
foot,
rare
yard,
setback
for
the
townhouse
structure
and
a
12
foot
setback
for
the
duplex
structure,
a
four
foot
balcony
projects
into
the
requested
rare
yard
area.
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So,
as
I
had
stated
before,
staff's
recommending
that
hit
the
historic
landmark
commission
approve
the
new
construction
request
with
the
accompanying
modifications,
and
I
did
see
the
applicants,
ralph,
nagasawa
and
kim
ing
present,
and
I
believe
that
they
have
prepared
a
presentation
and
I'm
also
able
to
answer
any
questions.
The
commission
may
have.
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So
man,
I
did
have
a
couple
of
questions
when
you
were
working
with
the
applicant.
I
take
it
that
the
the
fire
access
alley
would
be
approved
by
by
fire
marshals.
It
appears
that
that
it
it's
at
the
length
that
it
is
and
then
there's
grass
block
at
the
end,
so
that
fire
trucks
if
they
had
to
to
work
in
the
alley
they
would
move
to
that
point
and
then
be
able
to
to
back
up
there's
a
turn
around
that
that's
created
there
and
then
then
be
able
to
drive
out.
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I
just
no,
I
appreciate
that
I
saw
the
dimension
that
was
on
there
and
it
exceeded
100
feet
in
years
past.
They
would
not
allow
that,
but
it
sounds
like
like
they.
They
have
approved
that
and
so
the
the
truck
can
then
back
up.
You
know
up
more
than
100
feet.
You
know
exit,
you
know,
drive
out
again,
that's
all
I
I
just
didn't
want
you
to
get
caught
with
with
that
particular
requirement
and
and
then
have
to
to
do
something
different.
So
thank
you.
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Yeah,
let's
just
introduce
ourselves
I'm
this
is
king,
he's
the
design
principal
in
charge
on
the
project,
I'm
ralph
lauren
the
principal
in
charge
on
the
project.
Jackson
jones
he's
a
developer
on
the
project.
We've
been
working
closely
with
the
city
for
the
last
four
years
on
this
on
this
job
and
with
the
planning
department,
specifically
within
this
last
two
years,
going
back
and
forth.
You
need
to
to
get
to
this
point,
so
we've
had
many
iterations
on
our
submittals.
L
L
And
now,
and
also
you
know,
consuming
parking,
so
you
know
parking
in
fire
is
always
a
big
thing.
We
thought
well,
we've
definitely
taken
care
of
that.
You
know
our
big
point
is
it's
a
it's
an
in-field
project
to
the
city
providing
housing.
You
know
that
desperately
that
city
needs
the
housing
he's
maintained
the
integrity
of
the
neighborhood
by
owning,
by
main
we're
going
to
restore
the
the
contributing
factor,
the
contributing
buildings
on
second
north,
then
or
third
row,
and
so
you
know
this.
L
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I
So
we
selected
materials
that
would
be
consistent
with
the
neighborhood
and
we
did
not
go
and
then
create
a
building
with
a
lot
of
details,
but
very
subtle
details
in
that
respect
and
we
are
using
and
we
try
and
create
a
sense
of
depth
that
sense
of
depth
is
created
by
the
the
setback
of
the
windows
into
the
opening.
We
have.
As
a
matter
of
fact,
we
have
very
thick
walls.
I
I
think
our
walls
is
almost
12
inch
to
maybe
13
inch
thick,
and
so
the
windows
are
set
back
to
the
inside
and,
let's
see
what
else,
the
the
windows
are
very
historical
in
nature.
The
fight
is
once
again,
we
work
with
the
fire
department
for
the
height
refinements
and
the
that's
that's
about
it.
That's
probably
easy
for
you
guys
if
you
have
any
questions
that
you
can
ask
us.
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Okay,
hi
ken
overall,
a
very
handsome
building,
seems
quite
appropriate.
Tell
me
a
little
bit,
though,
about
it
seems
like
to
the
east
you're
backing
onto
single
family
dwellings.
Talk
about
your
relationship
with
those,
because
you're
a
rather
could
be
a
rather
imposing
structure
in
a
residential
backyard.
I
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I
See
a
kind
of
a
detriment,
detrimental
impact
because
they're
quite
far
enough
away,
as
a
matter
of
fact
I
was
you
know
from
there.
You
kind
of
look
at
you.
Literally
from
that
vantage
point,
you
see
more
of
the
neighbor's
yard,
then
I
mean,
and
the
side
yard
is
literally
three
feet
apart
from
buildings
are
three
feet
four
feet
apart
from
each
other,
so
you're
looking
into
the
neighbor's
bedroom
and
whatnot
from
there.
So
I
I
think
their
impact
is
more
from
their
adjacent
neighbors
than
from
us.
M
L
What
it
is
just
green
space
for
the
people
for
the
for
the
tenants-
I
guess
one-
I
don't
know
if
you're
looking
at
it-
would
be
one
to
the
north
of
the
terminal
system.
Maybe
a
trellis
and
arbor.
The
mailboxes
would
be
located
in
that
area.
So
it's
sort
of
the
green
gathering
space,
and
that
was
one
item
that
the
planning
commission
asked
us
to
provide.
More
of,
of
course,
the
green
space
for
the
for
the
people.
I
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N
Okay,
great
yeah,
I'm
jonathan
lee
and
with
me,
is
my
wife
ann
and
we're
the
property
owners
on
237
west
ardmore
place,
which
is
north
of
the
development,
and
also
the
other
neighbor
affected,
is
steve
cardone,
but
he
is.
He
had
a
full
hip
replacement
surgery
just
the
other
day,
so
I'm
kind
of
representing
him
as
well
but
anyway,
so
my
property
backs
the
yard,
which
would
be
directly
affected
by
the
boundary
variance
request
and
I'm
working
off
the
october
20th
notification.
N
N
I
assume
there
are
requesting
the
variants
towards
the
backyard
of
my
property
and
steve's
property,
and
we
were
opposed
to
that
because,
on
the
frontage
of
the
project,
which
is
closer
to
the
second
north,
now
there's
two
story:
more
historic
building,
looking
buildings
but
on
our
street,
which
at
ardmore
place
350
north
the
area
that's
directly
affected
by
this
area.
It's
it's
all
like
single
single
story
above
ground
buildings.
N
You
know
we'll
probably
never
see
the
light
of
day
and
also
based
on
the
october
20th
fire
lane,
so
every
car
that
goes
into
that
project,
which
is
I
forget,
12
buildings
plus
whatever
the
existing
building
their
headlight,
will
be
directly
shining
into
our
backyard
and
into
our
back
window
of
our
apartment.
So
yeah,
that's
kind
of
a
concern
to
us.
K
The
first
one
is
from
amy
richardson.
She
says
hello.
I
would
like
to
comment.
I
live
on
the
property
directly
on
the
east
side.
325
north
200
west
of
the
proposed
building.
Our
historic
house
was
built
in
1907
and
a
most
admired
property.
We
have
lived
here
for
23
years
and
and
have
invested
in
making
our
home
and
yard
beautiful
haven
for
us,
our
children
and
neighbors.
The
newly
proposed
property
would
not
only
infringe
on
our
privacy,
but
as
a
multi-unit
building
would
devalue
our
property.
K
K
The
applicant
request
an
exception
to
the
lot
with
standard,
a
reduction
to
the
side,
yard
setback
and
new
construction
in
the
capitol
hill
historic
district.
I
would
like
to
register
my
opposition
to
this
proposal
on
the
strongest
possible
terms
as
a
22
resident
of
one
of
the
neighboring
properties
on
200
west.
You
can
imagine
my
dismay
at
the
prospect
of
having
tall
structures
replacing
the
greenscape
that
has
been
there
for
a
century,
at
least,
though
indifferently
I'm
sorry
did.
Somebody
just
say
something.
K
Indifferently
maintained
by
the
current
owner,
we
have
long
appreciated
the
president
presence
of
the
trees
and
open
space
at
the
back
of
our
property,
this
unusually
long
green
space
strip.
A
lovely
example
of
the
spirit
of
the
character
of
the
historic
neighborhood
is
therefore
at
risk
and
once
lost
is
unlikely
to
be
retrieved.
If
bare
earth
grass,
trees
and
fresh
air
is
produced,
producers
don't
qualify
as
historic
and
worthy
of
protection.
I
don't
know
what
would
be
while
I
understand
that
the
zoning
there
may
allow
for
multi
family
dwellings.
K
To
my
taste
at
least
the
renderings
I
have
seen
depict
the
an
architecture
more
appropriate
to
a
modern
industrial
office
complex
rather
than
a
venerable
130
year
old,
residential
community
setting
questions
of
architectural
taste
and
preference.
For
the
unobtrusive
view
aside,
these
petitions
belie
an
indifferent
disregard
of
the
standards
that
protect
the
historic
nature
and
spirit
of
the
area.
K
By
asking
to
go
beyond
the
set
limits,
the
developer
essentially
asked
to
be
allowed
to
cram
as
many
units
as
possible
into
limited
space
already
protected
by
standards
between
this
proposal
and
the
owner's
previous
violations
in
the
neighborhood
is.
It
is
evidently
clear
that
the
owner's
only
interest
in
the
community
is
maximum
profit
rather
than
the
respect
for
historic
neighborhood
as
it
is
your
mandate
to
monitor,
protect
and
preserve
the
historic
integrity
of
the
capitol
hill
district,
while
at
once
encouraging
development
with
prudent
wisdom.
We
implore
you
to
consider
this
proposal
carefully.
K
K
She
says
I'll
try
to
make
this
short
developers
who
want
to
develop
property
within
historic
districts,
should
abide
by
all
rules,
regulations,
etc
that
apply
to
homeowners.
This
property
should
have
to
abide
by
all
legal
setbacks.
Also,
all
materials
should
be
in
conformance
with
what
the
homeowners
must
abide
by.
The
biggest
thing
is
that
they
should
not
be
allowed
to
go
beyond
all
legal
setbacks
and
boundaries.
Thank
you
sincerely,
joe
ellen
millard.
K
She
also
sends
another
email
that
says
they
are
speaking.
They
were
speaking
of
the
alley.
There
is
no
alley
the
land
to
the
east
is
privately
owned.
This
is
adjacent
to
my
property
and
I
take
great
exception
to
reducing
the
setback,
because
it
is
very
much
adversely
affected
affects
my
property
and
my
use
of
property.
K
Again,
the
alley
is
not
theirs.
They
have
not
reached
out
to
the
homeowners
at
all.
The
home
at
3333.
North
200
west
is
a
relative
of
the
developer.
They
have
torn
apart
the
property,
and
it
has
sat
that
way
for
two
years
now,
with
minimal
ongoing
work,
they
are
planning
on
putting
another
rental
unit
on
the
back
of
their
property.
A
I
Yeah,
so,
regarding
the
lights
from
cars
driving
into
the
property,
the
north
edge
of
the
property
is,
there
are
fencings
there
and
as
well
as
landscaping
there.
So
there's
no
chance
that
if
you
have
a
seven
eight
feet,
high
fence,
your
car
weights
is
not
going
to
shine
that
high.
The
second
another
issue
that
I've
heard
when
is
that,
there's
height
with
with
building
or
designing
and
building
this
very
high,
the
limitation,
the
height
limitation.
I
There
is
35
feet
the
historical
building
to
the
front
of
us
29
feet,
and
we
are
maintaining
a
consistency
with
that
by
keeping
the
building
at
29
feet.
So
it's
six
foot
above
the
required
height
the
alleyway.
The
alleyway
is
there's
a
private
alleyway.
It
is
not,
but
it's
for
the.
I
believe
six
home
owners
we're
not
using
that
alleyway
that
if
the,
if
there's
an
alleyway,
we
don't
even
need
that
alleyway
for
fire
department
access.
I
The
fire
demand
department
has
given
us
approval
based
on
what
we
have
done
on
site
and
not
based
on
the
alleyway.
So
the
alleyway
is
just
a
separation.
The
homeowners
without
consensus
cannot
vacate.
That
alleyway
forward
is
what
it's
worth,
but
it
is,
it
is
a
space
there,
that's
15
feet
wide
that
before
the
backyard
begins,
and
so
it's
a
dedicated
alleyway
for
all
six
hormones.
I
Those
questions,
and
once
again,
oh
one
other
thing
that
we
the
first
gentleman
he
spoke
about
the
separation
on
the
rare
yard.
From
from
his
house,
we
are
43
feet
away
from
our
structure
from
the
back
wall
of
his
house
to
our
or
the
the
law
and
our
structure
on
this
on
the
other
structure.
For
this
for
the
gentleman
that's
not
here,
we
are
36
feet
away,
so
it's
from
from
our
balcony
to
his
structure
so
anyway.
So
that's
that's
where
those
separations.
L
Is
sort
of
because
if
you
look
on
like
second
north
200
north,
which
is
or
200
west,
which
is
abundant
property,
you
know
those
those
houses
are
all
within
you
know,
so
I
mean
it's.
You
know
yes,
that's
sort
of.
I
wanted
to
say
the
other
thing
about
just
you
know.
This
is
an
infield
project
right
now.
L
You
know
these
salt
lake
city
blocks
are
so
large
right
now,
the
infill
of
this
area-
it's
just
you,
know,
abandoned
shins
that
there's
derelict
cars
parked
in
there
and
things-
and
you
know
when
one
thing
we're
trying
to
do
is
clean,
clean
up
the
area,
so
we
we
feel
it's
a
benefit
to
to
the
neighborhood
and
and,
as
per
what
kim
said
about
the
height,
you
know
we
are
below
30
feet,
we're
at
29
and
some
change.
There's.
L
Many
other
houses
around
the
neighborhood
houses
and
the
buildings
just
adjacent
to
us
to
the
west.
You
know
they're
they're
over
30
feet
tall
30
35
feet
in
the
zone.
We
are
allowed
35
feet
and
we
are
going
to
the
29
foot
height
above
grade
yeah,
just
adjacent
properties
in
that
they're,
like
32
33.
You
know
even
up
to
three
four
feet
so
we've
you
know
we
we're
doing
a
flat
roof,
and
so
we,
you
know,
we
feel
that
we
comply
to
the
zoning.
Intent
is
what
you
know.
That's
where
we
are.
A
There
was,
there
was
one
question,
though
I
think
remains
unanswered,
and
that
was
that
the
alley
you
know
a
brutal
abruptly
stops
if
a
car
is
is
traveling
too
fast
there.
You
say
that
there's
a
going
to
be
a
fence
there
and
landscaping.
Is
there
something
that
that
would
preclude
that
car?
You
know
continuing
into
into
the
neighbor's
backyard.
L
B
O
Yes,
yes,
it's
surrounded
by
sr1,
a
zoning
so
and
what
we
have
is
a
very
small
pocket
of
rmf
35
zoning
right
here,
which
the
city
is
clearly
intended
to
create
an
infill
project,
because
we
are
in
desperate
need
of
middle
the
missing
middle
housing
that
we
need.
This
is
what
that
that
space
is
for
right.
B
B
I
Part
of
that
part
of
that
requirements
is
the
fire
truck
turnaround.
So
the
hammerhead
turnaround
is
one
of
the
main
main
elements
for
that,
and
also
it's
the
and
and
having
the
amenities
in
front
of
those
structures
to
allow
this.
The
amenity
plus
the
the
fire
drug
and
including
that
includes
the
dumpster.
I
And
so
so
we
and
these
things
kind
of
hangs
up
ten
trow
feet,
and
then
it's
noisy
and
all
of
that.
So
so
those
are
the
reasons
that,
and
the
main
part
of
it
is
the
hammerhead
has
to
be
where
it
is
because
that's
where
the
fight
we
have
worked,
worked
it
out
with
the
fire
department
and
they
they're
saying
that
this
is
that
this
is
where
you
cannot
have
your
hammerhead
any
further
back.
Then
this
point
and
there's
a
turner.
The
the
turnaround
has
to
has
to
meet
that
refinement
the
ring
joining
radius.
I
So
so
so,
when
we,
when
we
went
back,
what
we
tried
to
do
was
work
with
the
fire
department
on
handheld
turnaround.
That's
what
they
they've
told
us.
This
is
the
location
of
the
hammerhead
and
make
that
building
work
and
and
as
you
can
see,
if
we
we
cannot
really
push
the
building
forward
anymore,
meaning
forward
meaning
to
the
south.
Because
then
we
won't
have
any
edges
to
that
building
where
we
can
walk
around.
O
It's
certainly
I
mean
we're
our
effort
with
the
site
is
to
to
build
as
many
units
as
the
zoning
intents
and
the
problem
is.
There
are
so
many
fixed
costs
in
terms
of
infrastructure
and
bringing
upgrading
the
utilities
and
bringing
infrastructure
in
to
that
rear
portion
of
the
lot
that
the
project
isn't
financially
viable
without
those
additional
units,
and
so
our
effort
right
now
is
to
create
quality
housing
stock.
That
salt
lake
city
really
needs,
and
I
think
that
mjsa
has
done
a
remarkable
job
in
designing
a
structure.
A
H
H
H
When
we
consider
that
setback,
so
those
balconies
are
four
feet,
which
means
from
the
side
facade
of
the
structure
to
the
west
property
line
would
be
a
10
foot
setback
which,
if
we
are
measuring
from
the
side,
facade
of
the
structure,
would
meet
the
rmf
35
standards
and
the
duplexes
that
front.
The
east
property
line
are
proposed
to
have
a
five
foot
setback
and
the
required
is
a
ten
foot
setback.
H
A
Well,
I
I
my
my
question
has
been
answered.
I
now
that
I'm
looking
at
this
plan,
I
I
understand
where
the
the
the
the
hammerhead
is
there
for
the
fire
trucks
to
turn
turn
around
and
then
be
able
to
drive
out
of
the
the
alley.
I
understand
that
I'm
just
I
guess.
I
was
curious
that
the
the
fire
department
had
indicated
that
the
turn
or
that
the
hammer
had
happened
basically
mid-block,
rather
than
at
the
end
of
the
alley
that
was
created
was
there?
Was
there
any
consideration
that
that
circle?
L
Okay,
we
have
the
hammerhead
location
where
it's
at
there
is
that
for
moving
that
intersection,
I
guess
we'll
call
it
all
the
way
to
the
north
property
or
something
is
what
you
said.
There
is
150
foot
depth,
the
truck
will
can
go
so
we
have
to
put
that
intersection
at
150
feet
and
then
maximum,
and
then
they
can
go
another
150
for
the
tailwind,
very
good.
That's
when
it's
set
up.
B
B
B
F
C
C
C
C
C
C
C
C
C
C
A
A
A
M
B
B
So
I
say
that's
something
to
consider
in
this
design.
I
think,
all
in
all.
I
think
it's
really
well
thought
out
and
proportioned
and
it's
a
good
fit.
The
challenge
comes
when
you're
backing
this
rmf
35
up
to
the
sr1
and
the
in
in
as
it's
sits
on
the
ground
that
45
foot
separation
to
the
house
in
the
sr1
is
significant.
It
will
help
alleviate
the
concern,
but,
but
still
when
you've
got
a
a
higher
density
zoning
district
backing
to
a
residential.
I
think
you
have
to
be
a
little
careful
with
proximities.
B
B
A
Thank
you,
ken
I
going
back
to
to
the
windows.
I
you
know
in
the
image
that
was
shown
right
before
this
one
here,
where
it
was
showing
the
existing
and
and
the
new.
Yes,
thank
you.
You
know
I
look
at
at
the
the
squareness
of
the
windows
to
the
image
to
the
right
and
compare
it
to
to
what
is
proposed.
A
I
see
that
that
the
elevations
are
very
well
broken
up.
I'm
I'm
pleased
that
these
are
brick
structures.
I
think
that
very
well
matches
the
vocabulary
of
the
neighborhood
yeah,
the
horizontal,
banding
and
and
and
the
heights
seem
to
be
in
in
order.
I
too
struggle
just
a
bit
canton
with
with
the
proximity,
but
that's
what
we.
A
What
we
have
been
shown
you
know
fits
within
the
parameters
fits
within
the
zoning
other
than
the
the
small
variants
concerning
the
setbacks,
so
they
they
feel
like
they've,
they've,
followed
the
rules
and,
and
you
know,
have
met
those.
So
it's
I
think,
quite
frankly,
this
is
a
product
of
as
was
mentioned.
This
is
a
need
for
for
this
middle
housing,
and
this
is
a
particular
typical
utah
big
site
in
the
middle
of
the
of
the
blocks
that
that
this
is
is
filling
that
need.
D
F
A
C
D
A
B
A
P
P
Some
of
the
changes
were
done
appropriately
and
they're
not
gonna
need
any
change
for
their
change
to
it,
but
a
lot
of
the
changes
were
done
that
would
not
receive
a
certificate
of
appropriateness,
so
we're
asking
the
applicant
to
well.
The
applicant
is
asking
the
commission
to
approve
changes
to
what
they
they
originally
have.
P
P
P
It
corresponds
to
the
architectural
style
and
the
period
of
significance
of
this
home
and
as
far
as
the
basement
window,
it's
not
visible
from
the
street,
so
staff
is
recommending
that
it
is
approved,
as
is
next
issue
is
citing
the
sighting
was
covered.
The
original
siding
was
covered
with
this
pink
asbestos
shingles.
P
P
P
Next
and
a
very
important
part
of
this
project
is
that
in
part
of
the
renovation,
the
applicant
and
the
property
owner
built
a
dormer,
and
the
purpose
of
the
dormer
was
to
be
able
to
have
a
staircase
and
have
space
for
the
staircase.
That's
an
internal
staircase,
so
the
but
the
size
and
the
architectural
style
of
this
dormer
did
not
fit
with
the
architecture
of
this
property.
P
A
P
C
Comment:
yeah
yep,
I'm
here
my
name
is
brock
whitworth,
I'm
representing
the
owners,
I'm
just
wanted
to
chime
in,
and
you
know,
katya
did
a
great
job
explaining
what
what's
going
into
this.
So
I
don't
have
much
to
say
other
than
you
know
we
met
last
may
and
and
learned
and
and
learned
that
we
did
things
incorrectly.
So
our
main
objective
here
is
to
just
do
everything
we
can
to
restore
the
home
to
the
architectural
style
and
period
of
significance
with
what
the
the
home
once
was.
C
So
that's
that's
our
main
goal-
and
you
know
katy-
has
been
so
great
to
work
with
us.
I'm
sure
you
know
I've
tested
her
patience
plenty,
but
she's
been
awesome
and
our
goal
here
was
to
just
restore
it,
using
the
advice
and
and
planning
with
her.
So
that's
our
objective
here,
hopefully
accomplishing
that.
A
A
G
G
A
L
A
E
A
C
No,
I
mean
we
I've
had
this
conversation
with
katya
as
we
we
did
try
a
couple
revisions
to
do
our
best
to
keep
the
dormer.
I
think
you
know,
based
on
our
findings,
what
we
found
is
to
achieve
what
it
was
put
in
for
to
utilize
more
of
the
attic
access
we
couldn't.
You
know,
couldn't
find
a
solution
to
access
that
with
a
dormer
that
met
the
appropriateness
of
other
dormers
in
the
opinion
of
katya.
So
we
would.
C
A
I
think
now
it's
time
to
close
the
public
hearings
for,
for
this
particular
case
and
move
into
and
open
the
executive
session
for
the
commission
commissioners.
Any
any
comments
concerning
this
and
I'll
I'll
pick
on
you
is
there
any
any
comments
that
you
have.
I'm
not
certain
that
there
are
any
comments,
because
we're
going
back
to
where
the
house
was
and
minus
the
chimneys.
B
M
C
A
P
M
P
N
A
A
B
A
C
A
Okay,
very
good,
thank
you
and
michael
hi,
and
I
too
would
would
vote
in
the
affirmative.
It's
unanimous
it
has
passed.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
to
the
commissioners,
to
the
staff
and
to
the
public.
Thank
you
very
much
now
it's
time
to
move
to
item
number
three,
and
I
believe
that
is
bear
with
me
just
a
second
we've
got
a
report
from
aaron
marlow.
J
J
J
J
J
J
J
Second,
that
rear
facade
would
be
irreparably
removed,
and
while
we
don't
always
focus
on
your
facades,
that
is
from
standard
nine.
If
the
additional
video
removed
from
this
project
it,
the
general
form
of
the
building,
would
be
lost
and
then
finally,
the
chimney,
the
character
of
the
chimney
is
out
of
place
to
that
roof
form
as
well
as
I
mentioned
earlier.
C
Q
Q
Q
Q
Okay,
there
we
go
so
I'd
like
to
thank
first
of
all
everybody
for
sitting
in
on
this
and
for
aaron's
thoughts
on
this.
He
and
I
have
had
several
discussions
on
this
project
so
well
as
we
go
through
it
very
here.
It's
just
asking.
We
were
asking
for
this
alteration
exception
with
that,
what
we
are
feeling
keeping
with
the
guidelines
set
forth
and
co-provisions
and
landmark
provisions
that
goes
forth
with
the
materials
and
the
projects
to
to
be
approved,
if
possible,
just
a
little
bit
on
the
project.
Q
The
way
the
backyard
is
set
up.
It's
true
we're
asking
for
seven
foot
three
additional
high
to
give
more
space
into
the
home
and
and
as
far
as
the
height
goes
with.
As
far
as
the
height
goes
in
that
area
for
the
code,
it
is
below
what
the
mat,
what
is
maximum
height
in
that
area,
even
though
it
is
not
in
keeping
with
what
is
right
now,
the
height
of
the
home.
Q
Of
course,
we
would
be
using
the
same
wood
windows
and
asphalt,
shingles
and
brick
were
applicable
and
also,
as
it
showed
on
the
detail,
we
would
try
to
keep
as
the
the
front
of
the
building
the
same
gingerboard
type,
siding.
That
is
with
the
rest
of
the
thing,
so
we're
trying
to
keep
this
still
in
keeping
with
all
the
requirements
needed
to
make
it
look
like
that
it,
it
belongs
and
matches
in
the
neighborhood.
Q
Historically,
most
houses
have
appeared
to
have
a
height
of
one
or
on
one
and
a
half
or
two
stories,
and
the
new
facade
should
appear
similar
in
height
to
those
seen
historically
in
the
block
and
into
my
pictures
that
I
will
show
you
later.
It
will
look
very
closely
to
the
ones
that
are
within
a
block
of
this
home.
Taller
portions
should
be
set
back
far
farther
on
the
lot,
which,
of
course,
we're
doing
we're
not
coming
forward
further
we're
using
the
last
15
feet
of
the
10
feet
of
the
back
of
the
home
plus.
Q
Q
Oh
that's
seven
feet
above
it
really
looks,
but
as
you're
looking
at
to
it
from
the
street
and
looking
up
at
it,
the
impact
isn't
near
as
the
the
the
impact
of
it
isn't
quite
as
significant
as
as
it
shows,
if
you're
looking
directly
on
it
on
that
kind
of
a
planned
view,
and
it
says
the
historic
character,
the
property
she'll
be
retained,
preserved
at
any
time.
If
we,
if
the
back
part,
was
removed.
Q
If
for
any
reason
it
could
be
brought
back
to
the
actual
original
state
that
it
was
that
back
area,
there
does
have
a
sort
of
a
dormer
kind
of
thing
coming
off
of
it
and
then
the
shed
roof.
Looking
thing
that
came
down
off
the
porch,
the
changes
will
not
affect
any
historical
materials
on
the
building
and
only
a
portion
of
the
back
part
of
the
roofing
structure
will
be
removed.
Q
Oops
a
permit
was
given
recently
to
reroute
the
home,
which
aaron
kind
of
brought
up
the
same
materials
are
going
to
be
used
on
the
home
on
this
one.
We
will
maintain
the
characters
of
like
buildings
in
the
district
and
also
have
been
a
little
hard
time
that
also
had
been
modified
in
over
the
course
of
time
here,
no
sense
of
false
historic
or
architecture
that
we're
trying
to
do
in
here.
Q
Otherwise,
we're
not
trying
to
build
a
square
building
in
a
building
that
typically
has
the
victorian
style
homes
alterations
additions,
no
modifications
to
such
items
on
the
front
of
the
sides
of
the
homes,
distinctive
fixtures,
all
distinctive
features.
Your
features
are
to
remain
as
they
are
or
replicated
as
they
are
in
the
front
going
towards
the
back,
including
any
freeze,
boards,
etc,
etc,
and
we've
agreed
to
anything
in
item
six
same
with
item
seven.
We
agree
to
all
those
items.
Q
Q
If
you
look
at
this
first
picture
here,
looking
straight
on
it.
Yes,
this
this
looks
significant.
It
looks
like
wow.
This
is
really
a
significant
change
as
we're
looking
at
it
from
the
front
of
the
street
and,
of
course,
on
the
law.
If,
with
the
lot
itself,
it
is
even
though
it's
showing
the
full
of
an
addition
here
already
coming
back
from
this
point
to
this
point,
so
going
back
on
to
the
law
is
fairly
nice.
Yes,.
C
Q
Oh,
oh,
okay!
So
if
I
come
forward
here,
this
is
the
properties
that
I've
gone
around
in
the
area.
These
are
all
within
a
block
of
of
the
applicant
at
this
time.
I'll
show
you
some
of
these
properties.
This,
of
course,
is
the
property,
as
you
see
it,
from
across
the
street.
Here's
the
property
directly
east
of
it
where
you
can
see
the
height
and
then
the
additions
that
have
been
done
to
this
property.
Q
Once
again,
this
is
the
second
picture:
651
653,
south
sixth
east-
that
is
the
one
directly
east,
which
the
side
yard
of
course
faces
eight
south
there
there's
another
of
the
same
pictures
as
you're.
Looking
at
it
whoops
then
here
we
have
651
south,
where
it's
showing
the
second
story
with
a
flat
facade
on
it.
It
says
just
down
the
street.
Q
Q
In
this
area,
which
is
what
we're
asking
for
here's
another
one
with
an
addition
up
above
it,
this
one
here
was
another
one
of
the
with
an
addition.
Above
it
here
are
the
building
permits
for
this
such
spoken
ones,
here's
another
one
on
park
street.
This
is
just
right
almost
directly
across
the
street.
Q
Another
one
now
this
is
the
one
I'd
like
to
bring
the
most
attention
to
most
likely.
This
is
the
one
that's
probably
almost
a
similar
to
the
proposed
edition.
It's.
It
has
gone
up
the
same
amount
in
the
very
rear
of
the
home
they
attached
to
the
home
back
here.
You
can
see
this.
I
did
it
from
the
street
view
of
what
you
can
see,
how
they
did
this
in
how
they
made
it
so
that
it
did
look
proportional
to
the
rest
of
the
the
home
and,
of
course,
that
looks
like
that.
Q
This
is
about
a
half
a
block
south
of
pi's
current
residents,
and
then
here
are
some
more
where
they've
put
a
shed
roof
on
this
one
and
kept
the
gingerboard
design.
Here's
another
shed
roof
with
a
gingerboard
design,
and
then
here
is,
of
course,
from
the
street
view
of
when
they
said,
started,
roofing
doing
the
re-roof.
Q
This
is
my
proposed,
which
I
believe
aaron
showed
you
of
the
impact
of
how
high
the
roof
would
come
up
from
the
impact
of
as
you're
looking
at
it
from
the
street
view,
and
then
here's
two
more
items
at
the
street
view
and
then
there's
further
across
the
street
from
a
first
a
street
view.
So
with
that
being
said,
I
understand
that
and
aaron
have
discussed
this
at
length
and
when
we
spoke
about
this
and
says
you
know.
According
to
the
guideline,
I
have
to
go
with
the
guidelines
that
we're
giving
you
and
that's.
Q
The
reason
I
have
to
you
know
deny
this
and
you're
welcome
to
go
before
the
board.
He
said,
but
that
doesn't
necessarily
mean
that
they
have
to
side
with
what
we're
thinking.
If
you
can
come
up
with
the
argument
that
we
don't
think
the
impact
is
going
to
be
that
great
and
it
is
actually
going
to
enhance
the
area
and
there's
enough
homes
in
the
area
that
have
the
center
of
impact
that
we're
begging
the
board
to
look
towards
our
favor.
And
we
can
get
this
taken.
Care
of.
B
Q
B
A
Oh
no,
thank
you.
Thank
you
michaela.
I
I
was
going
to
get
to
to
that
when
we
get
to
executive
meeting,
but
I
will
just
say
that
to
the
applicant
in
looking
at
the
the
staff
report,
there
are
two
standards
standard
number
two
and
standard
number
nine.
I
believe
it
was
that
do
not
comply
and-
and
so
those
are
the
two
two
standards
that
that
do
not
comply.
A
F
G
G
This
is
a
gentrifying
neighborhood,
where
houses
are
selling
for
close
to
a
million
dollars,
believe
it
or
not,
and
I
can
understand
why
someone
would
want
to
reinvest
in
their
property,
but
there
is
a
way,
I
believe,
to
to
increase
the
amount
of
square
footage
in
this
house
without
compromising
the
street
presence,
to
the
degree
that
this
proposal
does
so,
I
would
ask
you
to
table
and
give
the
applicant
a
chance
to
look
at
other
options
again.
This
is
an
extraordinarily
long
deep
lot.
Thank
you
very
much.
O
E
Okay,
excellent
anyway,
so
I'm
the
owner
of
this
home,
I
purchased
this
in
2014
and
just
to
understand
a
little
bit
cash.
The
commission,
of
course,
you
you
go
by
the
standards,
and
I
understand
and
respect
that
completely,
but
I'd
like
to
look
at
this
and
just
like
a
little
bit
of
a
larger
context,
and
similarly,
as
the
historical
commission
and
these
standards
have
the
intent
of
a
very
long-term
preservation
to
look
at
this
project
as
a
as
a
longer
thing,
when
I
bought
it
in
2014,
it
was
basically
unlivable.
E
E
E
That's
going
on
that
doesn't
always
have
sufficient
parking
and,
as
I
went
through
this
house,
I've
made
a
tremendous
effort
to
preserve
a
large
number
of
historical
aspects
and
a
large
amount
of
just
kind
of
like
the
emotional
feel
of
historical
house,
both
inside
where
the
commission
has
probably
less
interest
and
and
no
jurisdiction.
But
I
do
think
it
is
slightly
relevant
here
and
did
things
like
purchase
an
entire
slab
of
3cm
granite
for
the
kitchen
that
went
in
and
used
wooden
cabinetry
in
real
tile
and
interior
remodeling.
E
And
instead
of
getting
vinyl
plank
or
any
of
these
other
materials
that
the
historical
society
would
have
no
purview
to
approve
or
deny,
because
I
care
and
because
this
is
a
home,
I
live
in.
I'm
not
doing
this
addition
to
flip
it
to
rent
it
in
a
way
that
I
don't
also
live
in
it.
I
do
rent
to
one
roommate
in
the
house,
but
I'm
not
planning
to
vacate
it.
E
E
I
went
to
the
detail
of
bringing
piece
of
the
original
trim
up
to
the
mill
and
we
matched
that
profile
with
a
custom
knife
and
I've
started
re-trimming,
the
interior
of
the
house
with
matching
trim
these
doors.
Similarly,
we
came
and
we
measured
the
one
decent
shape
original
door
in
the
house,
and
I've
had
all
the
interior
doors
that
I've
done
match.
That
same
five
panel
raised
wood
profile,
which
is
not
available
for
sale.
These
are
100
custom
on
the
outside.
E
E
E
In
a
general
sense,
looking
back,
you
can
see
some
of
the
other
properties
in
the
neighborhood.
This
is
a
freestanding,
concrete
block,
supported
shed.
I
built
that
during
the
pandemic
and
again
you'll
see
two
windows
in
it.
That's
of
a
similar
two
three
proportion
to
the
original
house
windows.
I
matched
the
roof
pitch
to
the
house
and
use
salvaged
cedar,
siding
from
a
project
in
park
city
to
use
original
wood
and
exterior
materials
on
a
shed
in
my
backyard.
E
E
But
these
are
the
things
I
can
see
it's
kind
of
hard
to
see
through
the
bushes.
This
is
one
hou,
two
houses
to
the
north,
the
one
that
was
just
displayed.
This
house
faces
600
east
and
similarly,
it
has
a
shed
type,
two
story
edition
on
the
back
different
roof
pitch
different
materials,
vertical
siding
that
doesn't
match
the
rest
of
the
house
window
proportions
that
don't
match
the
rest
of
the
house
visible
from
my
backyard.
E
E
E
E
E
And
one
thing
that
I
think
is
relevant
in
this
is
that,
although
this
edition
probably
almost
tripled
the
size
of
this
building
and
did
definitely
change
its
street
view,
they've
used
consistent
materials
throughout
a
consistent
roofline
throughout
a
consistent
window
diameter
throughout
and
integrate
it
with
matching
siding
materials
matching
paint
in
such
a
way
that
it
looks
once
again
like
a
cohesive
and
complete
structure.
Even
though
the
addition
is
very
very
significant.
E
E
Finished
floors
a
slightly
more
recent
photo
of
the
house
to
address
some
of
the
points.
Specifically,
we
are
extending
the
chimney
and
I
would
be
you
know.
Ted
definitely
is
like
hey
knock
it
down.
I
think
that
chimneys
are
historic.
It's
an
aspect.
I
love
about
the
house
and
a
big
reason
to
even
do
this.
Addition
is
to
preserve
that
chimney
and
that
historical
aspect
of
it
one
interior
problem
of
the
house-
is
that
there's
a
centrally
located
functional,
fireplace
that
I've
restored.
E
So
part
of
the
addition
is
actually
an
attempt
to
preserve
some
of
this
more
original
layout
on
the
interior,
while
then
building
more
space
to
accommodate
the
way
people
live
a
hundred
years
after
this
house
was
built,
and
to
do
that
without
just
gutting
out.
Some
of
these
beautiful
original
features
such
as
a
centrally
located
chimney,
fireplace
brick.
E
There
would
be
an
impact
from
the
street,
but
going
back
to
that
example
of
the
cedar
sided
one
that
ted
that's
very
alike.
Similarly,
this
addition
is
actually
set
back
quite
significantly.
The
house
itself
has
quite
a
setback
and
that
roofline,
although
it
is
going
to
start
slightly
farther
forward
on
the
house,
is,
is
set
back
quite
significantly
standing
on
the
sidewalk,
you
would
be
hard-pressed
to
actually
even
probably
see
the
addition
and
from
across
the
street
at
that
distance.
I
think
it
would
look
very
proportional.
E
So,
although
we're
scaling
it
up
in
height
in
terms
of
the
depth
and
other
aspects,
we
are
potentially
actually
restoring
a
historical
aspect
of
the
rear
of
the
home.
I'm
very
sensitive
to
the
experience
that
my
neighbors
have
around
it,
and
one
compelling
reason
for
so.
Cindy's
suggestion
is
to
just
push
further
and
further
back
into
the
lot.
E
E
It's
a
little
jarring
when
one
house
has
had
so
many
additions
going
back,
particularly
when,
instead
of
being
able
to
go
up
two
stories
fully
in
order
to
get
the
same
square
footage,
they
keep
going
further
and
further
back
in
the
lot.
And
now
you
have
one
house
that
protrudes
deeply
into
the
lot
that
is
often
visible
from
neighboring
properties,
particularly
neighbors.
That
are
also
two
stories.
E
The
staff
decision
is
to
look
at
instead
of
the
exact
letter
of
the
of
the
code,
but
at
the
true
intent
of
the
code,
and
my
intent
here
is
to
not
have
my
building
suddenly
out
of
character
and
in
order
to
get
the
square
footage.
I
would
like
be
blowing
way
past
and
therefore
impacting
my
neighbors
and
their
enjoyment
of
their
backyards
and
what
they
see
when
they're
in
their
private
recreational
space
more
heavily
or
having
something
that
seems
terribly
out
of
character.
A
B
B
B
You
know
I
appreciate
what
the
applicant
is
trying
to
do.
I
understand
how
it's
it's
good,
to
expand
the
house
like
that
and
to
improve
it.
I
I
am
in
concurrence,
though,
with
what's
been
said
by
cindy
in
the
assessment
of
the
of
the
staff.
I
I
think
this
could
work,
but
it's
too
far
forward
on
the
building.
B
M
M
This
particular
issue
that
you
know
this.
This
is
not
distinct
enough
to
be
removable
in
a
case
where
you
know
that
might
be
a
desirable
outcome.
So
for
me
I
just
I
it's
it's
not
I.
I
can't
wrap
my
head
around
a
way
to
make
it
in
compliance
with
that
particular
standard.
So
I'm
yeah,
I'm
with
the
staff
report
on
this
one.
D
A
Very
well
I
I
would
say
that
I
I
acknowledge
that
you're
never
going
to
see
the
addition
from
the
front
in
true
elevation,
but
I
do
think
that
you
will
see
an
input
and
I
think
from
the
sides.
You
will
indeed
see
this,
so
I
I'm
in
in
agreement
as
well
that
that
the
standard
number
nine
simply
does
not
not
comply,
and
it
it
feels
like
it
that
that
it
dominates
the
house.
A
I
do
believe
with
with
kenton
that
I
do
think
that
there
is
a
solution
that
that
is
is
very
possible,
taking
into
account
that
what
you
know
moving
the
back
of
the
house
slightly
further
back
whether
or
not
it
has
an
impact
on
on
the
neighbors
could
be
argued,
but
but
I
do
think
that
the
pushing
that
that
further
back
would
help
the
addition
not
feel
like
it's
it's
dominating
the
original
construction
is
there.
Is
there
any
other
discussion
by
the
commissioners.
C
C
A
I
very
thank
you
very
much,
carl.
I
I
agree
with
that.
There's
we
can't
change.
What's
been
done
before
we
had
preview
of
of
all
of
the
other
facilities
and
houses
and
things
that
have
been
made,
we
can
only
respond
and
we
only
can
react
to
what's
in
front
of
us,
and
I
too
believe
that
that
what
staff
has
indicated
in
their
review
of
the
standards
that
you
know,
they're
they're
too
in
particular
that
are
pretty
strident,
indicating
that
they
simply
do
not
comply.
A
B
F
Either
way
you
can,
you
can
go
ahead
and
you
can
go
ahead
and
table
it,
and
aaron
can
work
with
the
applicant,
taking
in
all
of
your
comments
tonight
to
work
to
work
on
something
that
works
for
the
applicant,
but
also
better
meets
the
standards
yeah.
So
so
that's
fine
if
you
would
table
it
to
potentially
not
the
next
meeting,
but
just
to
a
future
meeting.
I
think
that
would
be
best
to
give
the
applicant
time
to
work
with
staff
and
come
up
with
some
a
new
idea.
A
B
A
Volunteer
canton
that
that
I
I
do
think,
there's
a
solution
here
and
I
do
think
quite
frankly,
with
with
a
bit
of
tweaking
that
that
the
addition
that's
wanted
and
needed,
and
and
very
much
understand,
mr
fernandez's
put
his
heart
and
soul
and
love
into
this
house.
I
do
think,
there's
a
solution
that
that
can
can
meet
the
standards.
O
C
A
C
A
B
C
A
A
A
C
R
Hi,
I'm
laura
bandara,
I'm
the
urban
designer
in
the
planning
division,
and
this
you've
heard
for
those
of
you
who
were
on
the
commission
in
august
a
little
bit
about
the
pioneer
park.
Cultural
landscape
report
already,
and
it's
now
complete,
and
so
we,
the
consultant
historic
landscape
architect,
is
back
to
present
findings.
R
So
I
just
want
to
kind
of
preface
it
with
a
few
things.
Cultural
landscape
reports
are
new
to
salt
lake
city,
but
they're
documents
that
provide
secretary
of
interior
standards
to
for
documentation
and
guidance
on
landscapes
with
cultural
and
historic
significance
and
the
public
lands
department
has
is
now
using
cultural
landscape
reports
to
document
our
landmark
sites
and
to
provide
information
and
guidance
on
these
landscapes
to
both
decision
makers
and
land
managers.
R
So
the
cultural
landscape
reports
have
a
treatment
section
which
you
can
consider
somewhat
analogous
to
design
guidelines,
and
you
probably
would
use
them
in
a
way.
That's
similar
to
how
you
use
design
guidelines
now
to
evaluate
proposals
that
are
in
front
of
you
what's
different
about
treatment.
Guidelines
in
in
cultural
landscape
reports
is
that
they
reflect
the
fact
that
landscapes
are
constantly
growing
and
changing,
and
so
paired
with
the
significance
and
integrity
evaluations.
R
So
with
that,
I'm
going
to
pass
the
time
over
to
our
consultant
chile,
larson
and
just
say
quickly
that
you
know
again.
This
is
the
first
one
of
these
that
we've
done,
and
so
it
will
be
really
helpful
for
us
when
a
new
when
proposals
come
in
front
of
you
for
pioneer
park
to,
let
us
know
how
it
worked
for
you
what's
working
in
terms
of
being
able
to.
S
S
Finally,
I
just
wanted
to
also
take
a
moment
to
recognize
my
team
for
this
project,
including
kirk
huffaker
who's
here
tonight,
with
us
at
the
meeting,
as
well
as
rhonda
laurenson
with
epilogue
life
and
a
huge
thank
you
to
nancy
and
laura
and
the
rest
of
the
salt
lake
city
team,
who
were
just
really
engaged
and
passionate
about
moving
this
project
forward
and
providing
valuable
feedback
throughout
the
process.
So,
thank
you.
S
And
then
we
gave
an
overview
of
our
research
to
date,
which
included
the
historical
periods
for
the
park
that
we
had
identified.
So
tonight.
We're
gonna
move
into
the
next
half
of
the
report,
discussing
our
analysis
of
the
park,
including
its
historical
significance
and
the
remaining
integrity
of
the
park,
as
well
as
to
provide
a
brief
overview
of
the
treatment
recommendations,
and
I
recognize
that
we're
it's
the
end
of
the
day
and
we're
all
tired,
especially
you
all.
So
I
might
skim
through
some
of
it.
S
But
if
we
get
to
the
end-
and
you
feel
like
I
move
through
anything
too
quickly
feel
free
to
ask
questions.
So
so
our
original
site,
history
included
six
historical
periods
for
the
park,
including
the
indigenous
period,
the
old
fort
period,
the
territorial
period,
the
americanization
period,
the
civic
period
and
all
the
way
up.
Through
present
day
with
the
city
stewardship
period
and
in
terms
of
evaluating
the
significance
I
apologize,
I
have
kids
ready
for
bed
in
the
background,
so
I
can't
minimize
sorry
I'm
just
trying
to
minimize.
S
So
sorry,
so
we've
identified
four
periods
of
of
the
total
six
period,
historical
periods
that
we
believe
are
significant,
and
this
includes
the
indigenous
period
significant
under
criteria.
Indeed,
the
old
four
period,
significant
under
criteria,
a
and
b
the
americanization
period,
significant
under
criteria
a
and
c
and
the
civic
period
significant
under
criteria
a
and
in
the
interest
of
time.
S
S
We
also
believe
that
a
roommate
it
retains
integrity
for
the
setting,
particularly
from
the
americanization
period.
The
mixture
of
housing
and
commercial
buildings,
predominantly
pedestrian
and
street-oriented.
Nature
of
the
city
during
the
americanization
period
is
similar
to
that
of
the
present-day
city,
and
we
do
not
believe
that
it.
S
S
S
The
treatment
also
factors
in
the
proposed
use
of
the
park
going
forward
and
the
following
were
some
of
the
goals
that
we
worked
with
the
city
to
establish
for
the
treatment
plan,
including
preserving
the
resources
that
contribute
to
the
significance
of
pioneer
park
as
as
defined
in
the
report,
continue.
Ongoing
use
of
the
park,
primarily
as
a
green
space,
limiting
the
number
of
structures
and
the
amount
of
hardscape
and
to
communicate
the
significance
of
individual
resources
and
established
guidelines
for
the
design
team.
S
In
addition
to
the
secretary
interior
standards
for
rehabilitation,
the
subsequent
recommendations
are
also
based
on
the
following
evaluation
process
set
forth
by
the
national
park
service
in
a
guide
to
cultural
landscapes,
which
includes
the
steps
listed
here
and
again
in
the
interest
of
time.
I
won't
read
through
all
these.
S
So
the
sorry-
I
don't
know
if
you
can
all
hear
that
in
the
back
my
my
three-year-old
melting
down
in
the
background.
So
sorry.
So
the
the
treatment
chapter
includes
a
narrative
design
guideline,
specifically
addressing
topography,
circulation,
land,
use,
vegetation,
compatible
alterations
and
additions,
as
well
as
the
mitigation
of
300,
west
and
400
south,
so
just
to
highlight
some
of
those
recommendations
here
so
for
topography.
S
This,
the
generally
flat
topography
site,
should
be
maintained
this.
This
includes
preserving
existing
site
lines
across
the
park
and
limiting
a
great
infrastructure
or
sorry
limit
green
infrastructure
or
low
impact
development
strategies
to
topographic
changes
that
are
shallow
and
wide.
So
it
is
possible
to
have
have
some
topographic
interventions
that
allow
for
green
infrastructure
in
a
sensitive
way
in
terms
of
circulation.
S
We're
recommending
to
maintain
the
sidewalk
circulation
patterns
around
the
perimeter
of
the
block,
and
this
includes
retaining
adequate
soil
volumes
for
large
tree
plantings
between
the
sidewalk
and
the
curb
so
really
maintaining
the
integrity
of
that
that
street
tree
planting.
That
really
defines
the
the
perimeter
edge
of
the
block
and
maintaining
the
the
corner
and
mid-block
accesses
to
the
park
and
and
extending
inward
from
those
points,
and
then
vegetation,
obviously,
is
a
really
important
landscape
characteristic
for
this
particular
site.
S
Maintaining
the
use
of
moon
lawn
is
the
predominant
ground
cover
for
the
site,
protect
and
manage
mature
trees,
allow
for
rest
periods
for
lawn
and
root
zones
between
events,
create
and
update
a
succession
tree
planting
plan
to
ensure
tree
coverage
over
time.
This
is
kind
of
what
lower
mentioned
landscapes
are
temporal
in
nature
and
and
things
grow
and
evolve
over
time.
S
S
All
ground
disturbances
deeper
than
the
base
of
sod,
should
include
an
archaeological
review
and
then
to
develop
a
new.
A
consistent
style
for
new
small
scale,
features
to
minimize
the
the
visual
clutter
and
impact
that
those
have
in
the
landscape,
and
that
that
includes
things
like
light
posts
and
benches
and
furnishings,
as
well
as
signage,
hello,.
S
S
So
our
recommendations
here
to
maintain
and
enhance
the
perimeter
by
preserving
existing
sidewalks
park
strips
and
street
trees
to
help
mitigate
the
noise,
as
well
as
consider
adding
an
additional
layer
of
stray
trees
and
vegetation
along
two
or
sorry
that
should
say
300,
west
and
400
south,
so
200
west
is
fine
anyway.
So
yeah.
Thank
you.
A
Yeah
I
had
a.
I
had
a
single
question,
ms
larson,
but
you
know
trees
don't
last
forever
and
I
I've
been
been
driving
around
the
site
on
google
here
just
now.
What
what
kind
of
plan
is
in
place
for
the
trees
that
that
have
particularly
from
it
looks
like
the
the
tallest
trees
are
at
third
third
west?
A
S
A
S
M
I
have
a
couple
of
comments
as
the
I
guess
resident
historian
on
the
commission.
I
just
wanted
to
compliment
the
historiography
here.
I
think
it's
you
know
really
impeccably,
researched
and
and
well
done.
I
particularly
appreciated
the
consistent,
let's
say
reiteration
of
the
pattern
of
temporary
use
on
this
site
over
time,
because
that
is,
you
know,
a
subject
of
much
debate
and
discussion
still
now,
so
I
appreciated
you
know
seeing
that
pattern
recur.
M
The
other
thing
is
that
the
drawings
are
incredibly
helpful.
The
drawing
to
go
with
each
particular
period
of
significance
was
just
yeah
really
really
helpful.
One
question
I
had,
which
is
kind
of
a
historical
question.
I
guess,
is
that
there
was
this
remark
on.
I
guess
it's
like
page
60ish,
about
the
widening
of
the
streets
to
go
with
the
construction
of
of
the
the
interstate
that
you
were
kind
of
unable
to
determine
whether
this
shape
and
size
of
the
park
actually
changed.
M
S
No
clearly
clearly
that
street
what
street
widening
did
impact
the
park,
and
you
I
mean
when
you
look
at
the
park
today,
you
can
see
that
that
park
strip
is
noticeably
smaller
than
you
know.
Your
average
typical
park
strip,
but
we
don't
have
exact
information
on
that,
okay
other
than
other
than,
and
you
can
see
it
on
that.
You
can
see
it
on
the
photos
as
well.
S
I
don't
think
we
included
a
specific
comparative
photo
in
the
report
for
that,
but
we
do
have
photos
that
show
you
can
see
the
park
before
and
after
that
road
widening
happened
and
you
can
see
that
it
it.
I
would,
I
would
say,
in
encroached
on
the
park
less
so
than
it
encroached
on
the
park
strip
on
that
on
that
edge
of
the
park,
but
it's
not
clear
if
or
how
much
that
shifted.
The
sidewalk.
A
Well,
I
too
would
would
like
to
say.
Thank
you
very
much.
Is
a
very
detailed
well
well
prepared
report.
It's
it's
to
me.
It's
it's
very
interesting
to
go
through
those
four
basic
periods
and
and
see
how
the
the
park
has
changed
and
morphed
and
served
the
city
in
in
different
ways
over
the
course
of
time.
A
Well,
thank
you
very
much.
I
believe
we
have
addressed
the
the
four
issues
that
were
before
us
this
evening,
commissioners,
and
unless
there
is
anything
to
the
contrary,
I
I
think
it's
it's
time
to
close
this
meeting.
Thank
the
commissioners,
the
staff,
all
the
presenters
and
the
public
that
has
participated
this
evening.
Thank
you
very
much.
I
closed
this
meeting
this
evening.
Thank
you.