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Salt Lake City Historic Landmarks Commission Meeting - March 03, 2022
https://www.slc.gov/historic-preservation/
https://www.slc.gov/boards/historic-landmark-commission-agendas-minutes/
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D
On
already,
if
you
need
help
joining
and
you
haven't
used
webex
at
this
point
now,
we
have
a
step-by-step
instruction
guide
for
you.
If
you
need
to
send
in
comments,
because
you
need
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not
able
to
stay
on
the
meeting
the
whole
time
or
you
need
some
help.
Please
email
us
we'll
be
watching
this
email
account
this
evening,
historic
landmarks.comments
at
slcgov.com.
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During
the
public
hearing,
we
will
be
relying
on
these
little
hands
and
then
we
know
that
you
want
to
speak
to
that
item
during
the
public
hearing.
It's
in
your
lower
right
hand
corner
why
it's
not
bigger
after
all
these
years,
but
click
on
that
tiny
little
hand
right
there
with
that
red
or
orange
box
around
it,
and
we
will
know
to
call
on
you
and
when
you're
done
speaking,
if
you
could
put
that
little
hand
down
just
click
it
again,
because
we
call
on
the
folks
who
have
a
hand
up.
G
I
believe
we
are
well
good
evening-
everyone,
it
is
now
5
35.
I
will
call
the
meeting
to
order
prior
to
this.
In
our
work
session,
we've
determined
that
we
do
have
a
quorum
with
babs
delay:
john
unoski,
robert
hyde,
kenton,
peters
myself
and
michael
abrahamson,
the
first
order
of
business.
I
need
to
read
this.
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G
H
G
B
G
G
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D
You
forwarded
a
negative
recommendation
to
the
planning
commission
and
that
item
did
sit
for
a
while
with
the
applicant
stephen
pace,
and
it
was
heard
by
the
planning
commission
recently
and
it
was
to
allow
more
density
and
reconstruction
of
a
carriage
house
on
a
particular
property.
It
was
really
site
specific.
D
G
G
A
So
I'm
speaking
to
the
issue
of
the
interface
between
the
pioneer
park
vision
plan,
which
is
on
your
work
session
and
the
cultural
landscapes
report,
which
you
heard
at
your
last
meeting.
There
has
been
a
briefing
at
the
city
council
about
this
vision
plan
already
at
a
work
session,
which
I
did
observe.
A
So
there's
not
been
a
public
hearing
yet
on
either
the
cultural
landscapes
report
for
pioneer
park
or
the
vision
plan.
Although
there's
been
a
tremendous
effort
for
public
input
on
the
vision
plan,
my
concern
is
the
lack
of
integration
between
the
two.
The
cultural
landscapes
report
was
under
construction.
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I
G
All
right,
very
good,
thank
you,
amy!
Let's
go
ahead
and
close
the
general
public
comments
and,
let's
move
to
the
public
hearings.
We
have
two
cases
this
evening.
Let's
let
me
introduce
the
first
one,
some
minor
alteration
of
a
painted
brick
at
approximately
365
south
elizabeth
street.
The
case
number
on
that
is
pln
hlc
2022-00118.
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A
A
A
Claiming
staff
visited
the
site
and
met
with
the
owner
and
representative,
and
they
stated
that
a
contractor
recommended
painting
the
brick
to
address
the
deterioration
of
the
masonry.
You
can
see
on
the
photo
on
the
left,
an
area
where
the
brick
is
falling
and
the
paint
is
coming
off
and
then
on
the
right.
A
That
opinion
is
that
the
removal
of
the
paint
would
exacerbate
these
existing
issues
and
then
an
inspection
of
the
dwelling
shows
that
there
are
some
underlying
concerns
with
the
masonry
and
the
mortar
and
in
fact,
opinion.
The
removal
of
the
paint
includes,
including
using
gentle
methods,
is
likely
to
exacerbate
the
existing
issues
that
may
have
been
caused
or
themselves
exacerbated
by
the
previous
paint
removal.
A
And
so,
given
these
issues,
staff's
recommendation
is
that
the
historic
landmark
commission
approved
the
painted
masonry
on
the
building,
with
the
condition
included
in
the
stock
report
that
a
breathable
paint
is
used
in
future
repainting
and
that
concludes
the
staff
presentation.
Are
there
questions
for
staff
at
this
point.
G
H
H
It
was
a
bank
owned
property
and
it
was
in
very
bad
repair
disrepair
and
over
the
years
he
has
gone
to
numerous
times,
had
it
the
the
brick
repointed
and
then
it
finally
got
to
that
point
in
2020,
where
he
brought
in
a
contractor
to
look
at
it
and
the
advice
and
the
recommendation
was
to
go
ahead
and
have
it
painted
now.
At
that
point
in
time
he
had
been
told
that
it
was
that
the
paint
that
was
being
used
was
a
breathable
paint.
So
whether
or
not
that
is
the
truth
yeah.
H
I
don't
know
that
I
can't
say
one
way
or
another
on
that,
but
over
the
years
the
the
whole
point
was
that
he's
trying
to
upgrade
it
and
the
building
to
make
you
know
to
keep
the
integrity
of
the
building
etc
and
keep
it
in
good
repair
and-
and
it
just
got
to
that
point
like
I
said
a
couple
years
ago,
where
he
actually
had
to
do
something
about
it.
He
did
not
cause
the
problem.
H
A
H
Oh
okay,
I
think
sarah
had
a
picture
there.
Sarah
that
showed
that
it
had
been
painted
in
the
80s
at
that
time
and
then
I'm
guessing
that
it
was
in
the
90s
now,
just
because
I've
been
in
the
real
estate
industry
for
almost
40
years,
but
that
it
seemed
like
recollection
was
back
in
the
late
80s
early
90s
that
that
was
they
were.
There
was
quite
a
bit
of
that
going
on.
G
D
Right,
it
would
be
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
and
a
lot
of
times
when
applicants
do
come
in,
maybe
they're
changing,
they're
doing
some
sort
of
work.
Maybe
they
don't
know
the
painting
or
non-painting
well,
they
may
they
may
not
know,
and
they
might
be
doing
other
work.
That
requires
a
building
permit
and
then
building
permits
flags,
the
entire
project,
and
then
we
consult
with
them
and
that's
where
we
can
catch
a
lot
of
the
the
painting
situations.
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D
I
G
G
B
B
We
had
a
very
similar
case
of
a
few
months
ago,
at
which
point
we
did
discuss
pretty
at
length
about
how
it
if
the
brick
was
previously
painted,
and
then
the
paint
was
stripped
off
and
then
the
brick
starts
to
degrade.
This
does
seem
like
the
the
way
to
go.
I
mean
it's,
it's
just
smart
to
for
the
long-term
preservation
and
long-term
existential
kind
of
condition
of
the
building
to
paint
it
with
breathable
paint
that
will
prevent
the
brick
from
spawning.
G
F
I
moved
to
approve
this
with
conditions
listed
in
the
staff
report
based
on
the
findings
listed.
The
information
presented
input
received
during
public
hearing
imove
that
hlc
approved
the
request
for
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
painted
brick
at
365
south
elizabeth
street,
as
presented
in
p
l
c
h,
p,
l,
n
h,
l
c
20
22
1,
with
the
condition
listed
in
the
staff
report.
F
G
C
So
this
is
a
request
for
a
minor
alteration
to
install
tesla
solar
glass
on
a
historic
structure.
The
existing
asphalt
structure
is
proposed
to
be
completely
removed
and
replaced
with
tesla
solar
glass.
The
site
is
located
at
approximately
365
north
center
street
and
it's
a
single
family
house,
that's
contributing
to
the
capitol
hill.
Local
historic
district
and
staff
has
found
that
the
proposed
minor
alteration
meets
the
standards
of
compliance
and
is
recommending
that
the
historic
landmark
commission
approve
the
request.
C
Tesla
solar
glass
is
an
inner
solar
energy
system
that
replaces
the
entire
existing
shingle
material.
The
photovol
voltaic
shingles
will
be
visually
identical
to
the
dummy
shingles
that
are
not
solar,
capable
the
entire
roof
material
will
appear
as
the
same.
The
replacement
material
will
be
glass
that
lays
flat
to
the
roof
structure
and
will
not
alter
the
slope
or
type
of
roof
structure.
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C
C
One
item
to
consider,
as
the
landmark
commission
makes,
its
determination
is
the
previous
approval
that
they
made
last
year,
where
the
landmark
commission
approved
a
minor
alteration
request
for
tesla
solar
glass
on
the
roof
of
a
single
family
house
that
was
also
contributing
to
the
avenues:
local
historic
district.
This
property
is
located
at
740
north
to
740,
east
third
avenue
in
the
avenue's
local
historic
district,
and
the
images
on
the
screen
are
the
previous
asphalt
shingle
and
the
finished
tesla
solar
glass
material
installation.
B
B
G
G
B
G
Thanks,
I
I
just
had
had
one
question
just
to
verify.
I
remember
this
case
that
happened
last
year
and
I
was
was
a
little
bit
concerned
about
stair-stepping
at
at
the
at
the
corners
or
the
joints,
or
you
know
where
the
roof
turned
the
the
turned
direction.
I
was
very
very
pleased
with.
I
did
drive
by
the
the
other
house
on
third,
it
looks
good
and
you
know
I
I
like,
and
I
saw
in
in
your
application.
G
B
B
Black
color
all
right,
it's
kind
of
hard
to
describe,
but
it's
it's
gonna
be
raised
up
a
hair
because
the
the
panels
themselves
don't
fit
flush
to
the
roof.
They're
raised
up
about
an
inch
inch
and
a
half.
So
in
the
valley,
you
will
see
the
transition
between
the
glass
going
flush
to
the
roof,
to
a
metal
strip
going
down
and
then
it'll
look
kind
of
like
I'm
standing
like
metal
bit
going
down.
If
you'd
like
me
to
provide
a
picture
of
one,
I
can.
B
This
is
michael
on
the
the
application
on
third
avenue,
the
smaller
roof
over
top
of
the
entry,
this
sort
of
porch
area
isn't
the
solar
glass,
which
I
think
is
fine
in
that
case,
because
of
the
distance
between
the
you
know
the
overall
roof
and
that
one,
but
in
in
the
case
that
we're
looking
at
now
because
of
the
proximity,
is
there
a
plan
to
apply
the
solar
glass
up
on
top
of
the
sort
of
entry
shed
roof
or
not?
It
wasn't
clear
in
the
report.
B
B
H
B
B
G
G
F
I
was
just
down
in
st
george
for
the
parade
of
homes
down
there
and
thank
goodness
people
are
starting
to
do
solar
roof
and
solar
tiles.
The
it
was
interesting
to
see
you
can
have
them
as
like,
if
you
were
in
santa
fe
and
the
clay
tiles
that
are
kind
of
rounded
that
are
traditional,
they
make
them
in
that
they
make
them
to
look
like
asphalt,
shingles
and
make
them
to
look
like
wood
shingles,
and
the
pricing,
though,
is
still
very
high.
F
G
B
I
guess
finally
comment.
I
wasn't.
I
wasn't
on
the
commission
when
you
approved
the
previous
installation
on
third
avenue,
but
I
live
right
around
the
corner
from
it
and
I
probably
walked
past
that
house
100
times
and
hadn't
even
noticed
it
so
like
it,
you
know,
that's
a
rigging
endorsement.
I
guess
that
you
know
this
is
unless
you're
paying
special
attention
relatively
indistinguishable
from
from.
G
You
know,
michael
I
I
will
say
that
when
the
when
the
panels
are
are
first
installed,
it's
just
like
like
when
you
have
a
new
windshield,
it's
bright
and
shiny,
and
then
it
tempers
just
a
bit
and
that
you
know
I
passed
by
that
house.
You
know,
I
guess
it
was
like,
maybe
three
or
four
months
after
the
initial
installation
and
and
it
the
shininess
was
tamped
down
quite
a
bit,
and
so
yes,
I
I
agree
with
you.
B
A
lot
of
our
discussion
that
last
time
focused
on
the
fact
that
asphalt,
shingles
themselves
are
kind
of
an
approximation
of
wood
shakes
shingles,
and
so
you
know
why
not
have
an
approximation
of
a
product
that
actually
helps
out
with
our
environment
a
little
bit
and
is
is
more
productive.
So
I'm
all
for
it.
G
G
B
B
Sheet
open
and
can
find
it
just
go
for
it.
Meanwhile,
I'm
just
looking.
I
have
it
open,
I'm
happy!
Okay,
please!
I
I
wasn't
prepared
based
on
this,
the
discussion,
analysis
and
findings
in
the
staff
report
and
the
input
received
during
the
public
hearing.
I
move
that
the
historic
landmark
commission
approve
the
proposed
minor
alteration
as
presented
in
petition
e-l-n-h-l-c
2021-01.
G
E
E
H
G
Kenton
hi,
let's
see
carlton,
is
out
and
michael
hi
very
good.
I
think
that
was
unanimous
and
the
motion
has
passed
next.
I
believe
that
takes
care
of
the
the
two
cases
that
we
had
before
us
this
evening.
Now,
let's
move
into
the
work
session,
bear
with
me
just
a
second.
Let
me
find
my
sheet
here.
This
is
a
work
session
concerning
pioneer
park,
vision,
plan
briefing
and
I
will
turn
the
the
time
over
to
kayla
or
excuse
me
katya
face.
A
E
E
Thank
you,
I'm
nancy
monteith.
I
am
the
senior
landscape
architect
with
the
engineering
division
with
salt
lake
city,
and
I'm
here
tonight
with
cat
moss,
the
public
lands
planner
from
the
public
lands
department
and
together
we're
going
to.
We
have
a
presentation
about
the
public
land
or
the
pioneer
park
vision
plan,
and
we
were
here
just
last
month
to
share
with
you
the
cultural
landscape
report
and
just
wanted
to
give
you
a
little
bit
of
background
on
both
projects.
And
then
we
are
thankful
to
be
early
in
the
evening.
D
B
E
And
it's
in
our
vibrant
downtown
that
is
changing
dramatically
and
also
really
densifying
and
public
lands
has
a
goal
of
really
letting
pioneer
park,
be
all
that
it
can
be
as
our
own
our
major
downtown
park,
a
vibrant
urban,
green
oasis
and
city
council
awarded
us
funding
for
new
improvements
in
the
park,
and
one
of
the
things
that
we
have
grappled
with
over
a
number
of
years
with
pioneer
park
specifically.
Is
that
it's
a
landmark
site.
Yet
we
had
little
information
regarding.
E
Little
information
or
clear
direction
on
the
historic
nature
of
the
park
and
how
to
properly
steward
it.
So
before
we
hired
a
planning
consultant,
we
started
with
a
historic
landscape,
architect
and
team
to
develop
that
clr,
which
we
presented
last
last
month
and
then
the
planning
process
started
somewhat
later,
but
was
somewhat
concurrent.
E
I
G
E
Next
slide,
please
just
a
really
quick
recap:
you'll
see
that
the
more
recent
plans,
particularly
the
19,
the
1990s
plan
for
the
rda,
is
not
included
in
here.
That
was
the
plan
that
had
the
trees
in
the
center
and
then
the
building,
and
then
also
the
most
recent
that
you
see
now
is
the
existing
conditions.
E
Very
the
location
was
important
in
the
initial
planning
of
the
city
design,
with
the
primary
put
in
the
primary
con
continuity
of
the
vegetation
with
mature
trees
and
perimeter.
Planting
the
setting
the
setting
of
a
bucolic
park
in
the
middle
of
an
urban
environment,
that's
how
it's
significant
or
retains
integrity
and
with
materials
the
integrity.
E
The
primary
treatment
goals
for
the
park
that
were
established
in
the
cultural
landscape
report
were
preserving
the
resource
that
contributes
to
the
significance
of
pioneer
park,
as
defined
in
the
report.
So
those
elements
like
the
park
entries
and
the
perimeter
planting,
as
I
said,
are
the
existing
features.
B
E
The
plan
and
what
we're
hoping
is
to
go
through
each
one
of
those
and
have
a
few
minutes
for
discussion
with
the
commissioners
and
what
we
would
like
to
hear
from
you
tonight
is
some
feedback
on
the
vision
plan
at
large
and
then,
as
we
walk
through
those
treatment
recommendations
and
then
also
any
recommendations
that
we
should
incorporate
or
or
consider.
As
we
start
to
develop,
do
the
design
development.
E
One
thing
to
note
is
we
will
be
doing
a
phase
one.
So
one
portion
of
the
vision
plan
will
be
implemented
and
we
have
yet
to
decide
what
that
scope
of
work
is,
but
once
we
get
that
capital
improvement
through
materialization
and
site
layout,
so
in
design
development.
We'll
come
back
to
this
group
sometime
in
the
fall
of
2022,
with
an
official
application
for
a
major
alteration.
I
Awesome,
thank
you
so
much
and
thanks
for
having
us
tonight,
I
really
appreciate
it.
It's
great
to
be
back
here.
So
as
nancy
kind
of
mentioned,
public
lands
is
proposing
improvements
to
the
park
so
that
it
can
be
a
vital
public
park
in
salt
lake
city's
growing
and
diversifying
neighborhood
and
the
region
at
large.
E
So
the
the
clr
had
specific
recommendations
regarded
to
related
to
topography,
and
that
is
that
the
site
has
been
generally
a
flat
site
and
that
may
that
should
be
maintained
with
this
sense
of
preserving
the
existing
sight
lines
through
and
across
the
park,
and
that
sort
of
only
modest
changes
to
topography
should
be
considered
and
in
the
with
the
regard
to
green
infrastructure
or
low
impact
development.
Those
changes,
topographic
changes
should
be
as
shallow
and
wide
as
possible,
so
as
not
to
be
a
perceptive,
perceptible
change
in
topography.
I
A
I
This
so
this
this
also
resembles
a
ribbon
yes
and
that's
kind
of
a
proposed
pavilion
which
I'll
talk
about
in
a
moment.
The
ribbon
here
is
kind
of
from
number
two
right
here.
If
you
can
see
it
kind
of
flows
across
diagonally
down
to
number
three
here
so
from
the
northeast
to
southeast
corners,
and
then
we've
also
kind
of
incorporated
some
pollinator
gardens
over
here
with
a
botanical
walk
to
kind
of
incorporate.
Some
of
those
water,
wise
ornamentals,.
E
I
think
it
came
up
at
the
city
council
meeting
when
we
presented
this
plan
that
there
was
a
discussion.
I
believe
the
last
time
I
was
here
in
2018
for
our
most
recent
improvements
to
the
park.
There
was
a
very
long
discussion
among
the
commissioners
of
whether
or
not
the
pathway
should
be
straight
or
curved,
but
they
were,
in
fact
just
a
theoretical
discussion.
E
It
wasn't
based
on
infra,
historic
information,
or
at
that
time
we
didn't
have
the
clr
and,
as
you
look
back
at
the
periods,
the
diagrams
of
those
periods
of
significance-
and
we
can
pull
that
up
at
the
end.
If
you'd
like
to
see
there
are
times
when
the
pathways
are
straight,
there
are
times
when
the
pathways
are
wiggly,
I
wouldn't
say
curved
I'd,
probably
say
wiggly,
but
there
isn't.
I
Yeah
so
kind
of
taking
into
consideration
these
recommendations,
so
the
vision
plan
maintains
then
the
circulation
with
these
critical
park
entries
at
the
cardinal
directions
of
west,
north
and
east
sides
of
the
park,
and
then
at
each
of
the
corners
and
the
circulation
paths.
They
originate
at
seven
locations
throughout
the
block
and
kind
of
go
inward
towards
the
center
of
the
park,
which
maintains
these
diagonal
pathways.
E
A
I
E
F
E
No-
and
you
know
we
did
not-
we
have
an
exhibit
and
we
can
provide
that.
Maybe
at
the
end,
I
can
pull
it
up
where
we
did
a
study,
placing
370
tenths
along
these
pathways
and
actually
the
the
plaza
is
really
designed
to
provide
better,
a
better
setting
for
say
the
food
vendors
so
that
they
have
a
place
for
people
to
gather,
and
then
it's
related
to
that
pavilion
with
people
to
gather
under
it.
E
F
B
In
this
case,
it
feels
like
you're
kind
of
pulling
from
different
eras
selectively
and
strategically,
which
it
might
it's
probably
good
for
supporting
kind
of
the
long-term
vision
of
the
park.
But
I'm
just
wondering
if
there's
ever
a
discussion
where
you're
like.
Maybe
we
should
just
bring
this
park
back
to
1945
or.
E
That
has
enough
integrity
that
we
that
that
the
treatment
recommendations
would
be
to
go
to
emulate
that
period
or
restoration.
So
the
primary
treatment
for
pioneer
park
is
rehabilitation
which
says
essentially
do
no
harm
and
preserve
the
integr.
The
elements
of
that
remain,
but
there
isn't,
I
would
say,
of
those
periods
of
significance.
There
was
also
not
one
that
predominantly
stood
out
from
a
design
standpoint.
E
E
So
we
would
not
want
pioneer
park
to
be
largely
a
plaza
or
a
series
of
buildings
or
reduced
in
any
size.
We
really
want
to
keep
it
as
a
soft
green
oasis,
maintain
the
use
of
mon
lawn
as
a
predominant
ground
cover
and
again
it's
that
clean
clipped.
Look
that
you
can
provide
visual
access
across
the
park.
There
has
been
times
in
the
park
where
there
is
more.
E
There
has
been
more
botanic
diversity
and
texture,
and
we
do
resurrect
that
a
little
bit,
not
not
in
a
replicating
of
history,
but
just
bringing
back
some
botanic
diversity,
because
the
p
the
community
would
like
to
see
that
protect
and
manage
the
mature
trees.
And
so
that
is,
I
think,
those
especially
the
elms
on
the
west
side.
E
One
of
the
recommendations
is
to
create
an
update
in
a
succession
tree
planting
plan,
and
I
think
that
is
probably
you
know.
Tree
succession
is,
is
one
of
the
most
complex
things
to
address
in
a
landscape,
as
we
know,
with
even
liberty
park
and
some
of
those
strong
elements,
and
what
do
we
do
as
those
trees?
Trees
go
continue.
The
use
of
a
variety
of
shade
trees
and,
to
every
degree
possible
maintain
that
existing
american
elms
on
the
west
perimeter.
So
we
have.
F
Yes,
I
have
a
question
about
the
vegetation
sure
having
lived
in
the
neighborhood
for
20
years,
and
I've
been
on
at
least
20
charrettes
about
this
park
and
more
meetings
than
I
could
possibly
ever.
Imagine
the
neighborhood
is
condominiums
and
apartment
buildings.
Is
there
any
discussion
or
game
plan
to
possibly
put
in
a
community
garden.
E
E
E
I
think
wasatch
community
gardens
would
explore
that,
but
we
did
not
have
an
application
or
an
interest,
and
I
think
the
idea
for
pioneer
park
was
to
really
maximize
the
space
for
those
active
and
passive
uses,
and
I
on
on
unrelated
note,
community
gardens
can
work
really
well
on
small
parcels
that
can't
provide
those
recreation
or
public
gathering
amenities,
and
we
are
continuing
to
look
for
opportunities
in
the
downtown
area.
Okay,.
F
E
We
do
actually
later
in
the
presentation.
We
talked
specifically
about
an
element
to
celebrate
the
fact
that
there
were
springs
here
and
it's
a
it's
a
misting
fountain.
We
do
not
have
a
splash
pad
proposed
okay,
so
if
we
let's
show
the
the
that
is
actually
the
next
section
with
compatible
alterations-
and
we
can
talk
more
about
that
specifically
because
it
is,
I
think
the
the
issue
of
water
uses
is
first
and
foremost
on
our
minds.
But
this
proposed
plan
looks
specifically
at
that
vegetation
and
cat
has
some
thought.
E
So
so
this
plant
this
tree-
this
is
just
the
trees
in
the
park
and
it
shows.
Can
you
go
to
that
tree
plant
that
it
shows
existing
trees
in
dark
green,
proposed
trees
in
the
lighter
green
and
then
proposed
trees
to
be
relocated
and
I'll?
Let
cat
describe
that
and
then
we
can
look
at
the
planting
of
the
the
botanic
areas
and
the
the
bigger
plan.
I
But
this
design
does
propose
a
newly
planted
row
along
this
streetscape
to
reinforce
that
spatial
composition
and
restore
that
formal
perimeter
planting
that
nancy
mentioned
earlier.
So
that's
kind
of
the
plan
for
trees
and
vegetation
for
the
vision
plan,
so
yeah.
If
you
guys
have
any
questions
comments,
we
would
definitely
welcome
those
at
this
point
and
then.
E
Right
here,
so
it's
a
little
bit
hard
to
read,
but
from
that
northeast
corner
you
can
see
some
shaded
areas,
and
some
of
this
is
you
know
we
still
need
to
define,
and
that
will
happen
through
design
development
but
from
the
northeast
to
the
southeast.
These
kind
of
teal
colored
areas
are
the
planting
beds
where
the
stormwater
would
be
directed
to
and
in
those
areas
that
are
slightly
depressed
would
be
the
gardens
with
water,
wise
plant,
material
and
regionally
appropriate
material,
and
they
would
be
low.
E
So
does
that
answer
your
questions
great
any
other
thoughts
on
the
vegetation
and
the
planting.
Another
thing
to
sort
of
keep
in
mind.
The
reason
why
it's
proposed
to
do
new
planting
along
300
south
is
to
also
make
improve
the
environment
where
those
trees
are
planted,
because
we
often
see
that
they
don't
have
enough
room
or
the
the
landscape
is
so
compacted
that
it's
really
hard
on
the
trees
and
that
corridor.
There
is
the
most
heavily
used
with
the
farmers
market.
E
E
We
are
looking
at
how
do
we
re
re-energize
the
center
of
the
park,
so
that
we
can
have
something
for
everyone
and
did
extensive
public
engagement
to
understand
what
the
recreation
needs
are.
Security
needs
gathering
food,
a
place
to
rest
and
and
you'll
see
details
about
that,
but
the
recommendations
around
compatible
alterations
and
additions
say
that
the
park
should
preserve
the
identified
contributing
cultural
landscape
features
which
are
largely
the
trees
and
the
perimeter
edges
and
those
entrances.
E
New
construction
should
be
done
in
a
way
that
does
not
impair
the
remaining
contributing
landscape
features
and
you'll.
See
that
they
are.
You
know,
at
a
distance
from
those
structures
should
be
compatible
in
scale
and
massing
with
the
historical
architectural
scales,
but
should
not
create
a
false
history,
and
so
here
that
concept
of
avoiding
false
historicism
so
not
making
something
look
historic
when
it's
not
and
and
in
some
ways
incorporating
those
contemporary
features
allows
those
historic
elements
to
stand
out
even
more.
But
what
would.
F
F
E
So
the
analysis
of
the
existing
conditions
said
that
of
the
existing
conditions,
as
I
I
I
said
earlier
in
terms
of
workmanship,
setting
materials
is
those
perimeter
trees,
the
turf
the
entrances
to
the
park,
and
I
think
what
makes
pioneer
park
particularly
challenging
is
that
it
is
a
landmark
site
for
salt
lake
city.
Yet
there
is
so
little
intact
historic
fabric
that
oftentimes.
E
To
present
how
the
plan
respects
those
treatment,
recommendations
that
were
made
and
how
the
the
proposed
elements,
if
they
deviate
from
some
idea
of
a
historic
past,
it's
because
they
are
new
and
they
we
do
not
want
to
make
them
look
historic
if
they're
not.
But
we
will
think
about
how
to
tell
the
rich
story
of
the
park
and
kat,
and
I
even
had
a
long
discussion
with
partners
at
the
utah
cultural
and
community
engagement
and
started
talking
about
what
new
and
innovative
ways
can
we
layer
the
rich
story
of
the
park
in
here.
E
That,
in
terms
of
the
pavilion,
the
structures
and
the
water
feature,
I
think
you'll
see
how
there
has
been
a
an
artful
approach
to
to
those
elements.
And
one
caveat
is
these:
are
ideas
that
we
are
putting
out
there
and
they
have
yet
to
be
fully
determined
in
terms
of
look
materials
and
feel,
and
I
think
we
would
welcome
suggestions
from
this
group
on
those.
E
And
one
of
the
things
that
we
will
be
doing
is
having
a
archaeological
discovery
plan,
so
anything
that
is
disturbing
the
ground.
We
have
someone
available
to
to
review
anything
that's
found,
and
then
I
think
we
can
go
to
the
next
slide.
We'll
share
with
you.
What's
in
the
vision
plan
and
again,
this
is
this
is
a
big
picture
vision
with
so
many
details
to
to
still
work
out.
I
I
So
I'm
gonna
start
first
with
the
pavilion
and
then
we'll
move
on.
So
each
of
these
features
that
we're
proposing
we've
really
emphasized
them
to
be
light
and
open
on
the
landscape.
So
this
new
kind
of
signature,
pavilion
kind
of
harkens
back
to
the
bowery
that
was
on
site
and
will
really
act
as
a
focal
point
for
the
park
and
it'll
have
an
opportunity
to
host
kind
of
mid
to
small,
to
mid-size
events
when
utilizing
the
plaza
on
the
north
end
or
kind
of
larger
scale.
I
Events
when
facing
the
great
lawn
that's
currently
in
place-
and
this
pavilion,
like
I
said,
open
visually
light
in
the
architectural
style
materialization
of
the
plaza,
as
well
as
the
pavilion
and
associated
furnishings.
Those
will
all
be
developed
during
the
technical
design
and
will
be
compatible
with
the
clr.
So
in
like
the
first
round
of
phases,
the
first
phase
of
implementation
will
be
brought
back
to
the
commission
at
that
point.
I
So
I'm
going
to
move
then
on
to
the
restroom
cafe
and
a
park
ranger
station,
which
is
another
architectural
element,
and
so
this
plan
proposes
adding
a
state-of-the-art
restroom
with
a
contemporary
design.
It
will
be
located
adjacent
to
the
most
active
area
of
the
park,
which
is
near
a
proposed
cafe.
I
A
park
ranger
station
to
house
our
new
park
rangers
a
program.
That's
housed
in
public
lands,
as
well
as
a
plaza
where
the
park
amenities
are
kind
of
the
most
accessible
and
remain
visible
to
the
majority
of
park
users,
and
so,
rather
than
one
large
building.
This
plan
kind
of
proposes
three
smaller
structures
located
near
one
another.
In
order
to
minimize
that
visual
impact
on
the
landscape
and
to
maintain
that
visual
access
across
the
park
and
those
open
sight
lines.
E
And
the
one
thing
I
would
say
here,
if
you
don't
mind
me
interjecting-
is
that
there
of
those
three
small
buildings,
one
will
be
kind
of
the
park.
Ranger
host
one
will
be
this
small
restroom
and
a
third
something
to
do
with
food,
and
so
this
idea
of
clustering
starts
to
address
these
specific
needs
of
our
restroom.
If
we're
going
to
have
activities
and
want
to
have
people
there
for
a
while
and
then
the
security
issues,
so
that
clustering
of
things
is,
is
a
distinct
approach
with
that.
I
I
I
So
this
misting
feature
kind
of
satisfies
that
desire
for
the
water
feature,
while
also
kind
of
recognizing
that
cultural
element
and
will
also
provide
a
way
to
kind
of
bring
back
this
element
that
has
drawn
people
to
the
area
really
throughout
history
and
kind
of
address
it
in
an
artful
and
contemporary
way.
So
those
are
kind
of
the
the
major
features
that
we're
proposing
in
this
vision
plan-
and
I
imagine
there'll,
be
some
input
and
comments
and
questions
here.
I
E
No,
I
think
you
know
I,
I
think
these
elements
where,
with
these
specific
architectural
elements,
are
the
ones
that
will
add
a
great
deal
of
character
to
the
park
and
the
probably
the
dilemma
or
the
philosophical
question
is:
what
should
they
look
and
feel
like?
And
if
you
were
looking
at
sort
of
how
the
the
clr
has
been
presented?
And
you
read
the
document,
it
would
say
essentially
that
there
is
nothing
that
really
dictates
how
it
should
look
and
feel,
but
keep
the
scale
in
line.
B
H
B
And
I
think
there
has
to
be
an
expectation
that
those
spaces
are
going
to
have
to
change
to
some
other
purpose
in
the
relatively
near
future,
and
I'm
wondering
how
that
would
happen.
Would
you
you
know
simply
like
remove
the
play
surfaces?
Is
there
a
plan
for
that
and
so
on
and
so
forth?
Like
what
happens
when
you
know,
people
don't
play
pickleball
anymore.
E
E
E
So
hopefully
you
know
these
elements
are,
are
continue
to
be
popular
for
that,
but
the
whole
heart
of
adding
these
recreation
elements
is
providing
what
people
want,
and
then
you
know
it
would
require
removing
them
throughout
the
space,
but
even
sort
of
sports
court
or
tennis
court
need
maintenance
or
replacement
at
least
every
two
decades,
and
we
have
a
lot
that
are
much
older
than
that
and
we
can
kind
of
cobble
it
together.
But
generally
our
assets
across
the
city
are
are
probably
far
behind
what
they
should
be
in
terms
of
providing.
E
B
E
G
I
never
really
knew
the
history
of
of
this
park
and
it
was
fascinating
to
hear
the
you
know
the
the
multiple
different
generations
of
this
park,
and
I
was
wondering
if
there
was
any
consideration
in
in
the
work
that
had
been
done
to
date
that
that
there
would
be
some
notion
of
describing
that
history.
You
know
just
from
beginning
to
end
about
how
how
your
park
is
changing,
and
this
is
this-
is
the
latest
interest
iteration
of
how
the
park
is
being
used.
E
Yeah,
I
I
think
that's
a
really
great.
I
think
that
that
we
hear
again
and
again
and
again
there
was
a
recent
effort
by
the
utah
I'm
going
to
get
their
names,
but
community
and
cultural
engage
our
culture
and
community
engagement
and
they
did
a
whole
series
of
west
the
west
side
stories,
and
I
think
what
the
the
the
cultural
landscape
report
is
so
specifically
focused
on
the
park
itself
and
how
it's
changed
over
time
and
how
to
protect
that
integrity.
E
F
I
have
a
question
another
couple
of
questions.
One
is
what
do
we
see
in
our
vision
that
the
twilight
concert
series
are
going
to
come
back
to
this
area
and,
if
so,
do
do
concert?
Have
you
met
with
the
major
concert
producers
here
to
make
sure
that
you're
designing
the
the
area
for
the
stage
and
people
to
watch
in
the
right
way?.
E
Yeah,
I
don't
know:
if
cat
do
you
have
those
cross
sections
available,
we
could
show
them
so
we
we
we
pull
them
up.
We
we
talked
in
our
in
our
surveys,
community
surveys.
We
asked
specifically
about
those
kinds
of
things
and
I
think
what
we
heard
is
you
know
people
are
interested
in
seeing
events
of
up
to
around
10
000
people.
E
F
But
adding
like
pickleball,
yes,
pickleball
is
hot,
but
what
is
the
demographic
for
pickleball
and
senior
citizens
so
you're
creating
a
new
demographic
for
this
park?
And
it's
been
used
now
for
concerts
so
interesting
and
I
don't
know
how
well
that
would
work.
I
had
always
thought
that
the
center
to
keep
eyes
one
of
the
most
important
things
about
this
park
is
to
keep
eyes
on
it.
24
7.,
so
it
doesn't
yeah
the
major
drug
problem
that
it
yeah
has
been,
and
my
thought
was
in
the
winter.
F
C
F
That,
but
I'm
not
sure
it's
really
hard
for
me
to
tell
what
demographic
you're
going
after,
like
oh,
let's
just
we're
going
to
go
after
everybody
and
everybody's
going
to
love
this
or
hey.
Let's
just
go
after
senior
citizens
and
and
white
privileged
people
who
live
in
you
know
half
a
million
dollar
condos
around
the
park.
F
I
also
don't.
I
also
don't
see
one
other
thing
and
I'll
shut
up
after
this
being
a
being
a
differently
abled
person.
I
don't
see
anything,
that's
welcoming
to
me
as
a
handicapped
person,
people
in
wheelchairs.
What
are
we
doing
here
for
that?
I'm
worried
also
that
the
bathrooms
are
going
to
be
so
small
they're
not
going
to
be
able
to
handle
the
the
amount
of
people
there
and
the
bathrooms
were
the
worst
drug
dens
that
we
had
in
the
city
for
some
time
so
yeah.
E
You
know
appetite
for
the
public
and
we're
currently
we're
actively
looking
for
programming
partners
that
can
put
things
on
in
the
park,
and
we
would
definitely
tailor
things
to
the
degree
that
we
have
willing
partners
pickleball
as
opposed
to,
if
you
were
just
looking
at
court
sports,
we
have
tennis
there
currently
and
what
I'm
hurt.
What
I
hear
is
that
there
are
a
couple
people
who
play
it
at
the
lunch
hour.
E
Most
days
of
the
week
with
pickleball
we
put
in
six
pickleball
courts
at
fairmont
park,
and
they
have
transformed
that
site
and
people
are
going.
They
are
doing
things
in
a
destination
to
go
play
pickleball.
It
is
a
fast
emerging
sport
in,
in
contrast
to
tennis,
it's
something
that
anyone
can
enter
and
it's
they're
welcome
to
come
play,
whether
you're
a
beginner
or
an
expert.
E
It
is
a
large
sum
for
salt
lake
city
as
a
historic
investment
in
parks,
but
it
is
not
different
from
the
amount
that
urban
parks
and
cities
invest
across
the
nation
to
create
a
vibrant
downtown
park
that
is,
and
that
and
actually
the
per
square
foot
cost
is
lower
than
a
lot
of
comparison,
parks
and
other
urban
areas.
But.
E
Right
and
city
council
has
the
full
prerogative
to
fund
or
not
fund.
We
currently
have
a
little
over
three
million
dollars.
We
are
hopeful
to
receive
more,
we
see
pioneer
park
is
a
park
for
everyone
in
the
city
and
also
downtown
doubles
or
triples
in
size
with
workers
who
come
downtown,
and
so
we
see
this
as
a
city-wide
investment,
not
just
a
neighborhood
investment.
E
E
E
G
B
G
But
I
I
thought
nancy
when
you
first
showed
that
you
know,
there's
got
to
be
some
very
simple
means
to
to
keep
people
from
climbing
and
sliding,
and
you
know
all
the
risks
that
that
happen,
and
then
the
city
is
responsible
right.
I
would
would
think
again.
I've
used
the
term
before.
I
think
the
devil
is
in
the
details
and.
B
I'm
not
concerned
personally,
but
speaking
from
experience
on
this
commission,
it's
it's
difficult
to
articulate
the
message
to
the
public
regarding
product
of
its
own
time
architecture
and
why
that
is
important
and
what
that
really
means
yeah.
I
agree
with
I
agree
with
john,
but
I'd
say
that
it
would
be
much
more
appropriate
to
do
a
modern
intervention
there
than
try
to
do
something
historic,
that'll
come
across
as
as
twee
or
not
even
necessarily
historic,
but
traditional
in
its
form,
which
put
an
opinion
on
the
value
judgment,
would
just
look
stupid.
E
And
I
think
you
know
with
with
this-
if
I
can
remember
the
name
of
the
park,
there
is
a
park
that
has
a
similar
structure,
which
perhaps
I
will
provide
that
link
to
to
the
commission.
So
you
can
see
what
this
was
somewhat
modeled
after,
but
the
intent
of
the
pavilion
was
really
to
portray
something
that
was
light
on
the
landscape
contemporary
in
nature
and
really
provided
that
visual
access
we
had.
I
think
there
might
be
on
that
vision
plan.
E
There
are
some
small
images
that
show
the
pavilion
in
a
much
more
minimalistic
way.
It's
a
little
bit
hard
to
see.
I
don't
know
if
it's
we
can
provide
that,
but
much
more
almost
mies
van
der
rohe
with
so
there's
a
lot
of
different
ways.
We
can
go
approach.
The
architecture
on
that,
but
I'm
happy
to
hear
the
commissioners
are
open
to
and
actually
enthusiastic
for,
a
contemporary
approach
to
architecture.
B
Yeah
nancy
there's
a
a
park
in
paris
on
the
north
side
of
paris.
It's
oh,
it's
an
old
old
park
in
paris.
You
might
not
realize
is
a
fairly
historic
city,
but
they
they
did.
That
was
tongue-in-cheek.
Of
course,
they
they
did
a
beautiful
modern
intervention,
a
series
of
follies
in
them.
Okay,
this
is
20
some
years
ago.
I
think
it's
parked
a
lot
of
left
and
right
also.
B
Those
red
kind
of
constructivist
things,
you
know
that
look,
might
be
kind
of
dated
now,
but
the
concept
and
you
can
move
through
the
park
from
one
to
the
other
in
the
midst
of
normal
park
activities.
So
I
I
think
what
you're
doing
in
this
in
this
smaller
setting
here
is
it's
still
important
to
do
something
that
is
stunning
and
quite
visual.
Okay,.
E
F
D
F
B
E
Kind
of
just
kind
of
the
final
comment
I'll
make
on
the
architecture
is
that
there's
this
idea
that
there
is
a
pavilion
that
anchors,
the
plaza
that
you
know
is,
is
large
enough
that
it
could
contain
an
event,
a
medium-sized
event.
There
there
could
be
a
stage
placed
under
it
and
the
audience
to
the
north
of
it
and
a
very
large
event.
E
E
I
think
also,
you
know
another
thing
that
contributes
to
that
visual
permeability
is
opening
up
the
center
of
the
park.
Then,
if
you
have,
you
have
smaller
areas
which
you
need
around
those
edges
with.
It
takes
fewer
people
to
create
that
critical
mass
of
comfort
and
that's
a
kind
of
primary
idea
about
the
approach.
E
E
I
The
only
thing
if
they're,
I
would
welcome
any
more
comments
we
just
I
wanted
to
give
you
guys
a
little
insight
into
some
next
steps
and
future
opportunities,
but
that's
kind
of
where
we'll
tie
it
tied
up
then.
So
let
me
know
if
you
guys
have
any
more
comments.
Otherwise,
I'd
love
to
yeah
share
with
your
next
steps
thumbs
up.
I
Awesome
so
currently
the
city
is
reviewing
our
final
public
engagement
window
results
that
ended
at
the
end
of
january
kind
of
checking
in
on
the
vision
plan
with
the
public,
and
this
also
will
allow
us
to
prioritize
elements
for
this
first
phase
of
construction,
for
which
we
have
funding
right
now.
Nancy
mentioned
it's
about
3
million,
and
so
future
studies
will
kind
of
explore
how
to
incorporate
those
historic
interpretation
elements
on
the
site
through
the
potential
of
like
interpretive
panels
or
installations
of
artwork,
or
I
mean
a
variety
of
other
integrated
strategies.
I
So
that's
the
next
step
and
we'll
use
the
information
provided
in
the
clr
to
kind
of
integrate
this
history
and
the
story
of
pioneer
park
into
the
elements
on
site
and
then
in
terms
of
next
steps
for
the
design
we'll
be
beginning.
Technical
design
scheduled
to
start
this
summer
kind
of
continue
throughout
2022,
and
then
feedback
gathered
from
a
most
recent
public
engagement
survey
that
solicited
implementation.
I
So
those
are
kind
of
some
of
our
next
steps.
If
you
guys
have
any
other
feedback
comments,
recommendations,
materialization
style
interpretation,
anything
like
that
feel
free
to
share
those
now
otherwise,
we'll
come
back
once
we
have
phase
one
implementation,
priorities,
determined
and
technical
design
for
with
an
application.
So
that's
kind
of
the
next
time
we'll
see
you
with
the
pioneer
park.
I
B
G
It
yeah,
I
would
want
to
echo
that
I
think
it's
it's
very
thorough.
I
think
this
is
the
second
or
third
time.
We've
we've
seen
the
iterations
of
this,
and
I'm
very
very
appreciative,
and
if
there's
not
any
other
comments,
commissioners
and
and
everyone-
I
I
think,
we've
we've
done
accomplished
the
business
set
up
before
us
this
evening
and
unless
there's
any
any
comments
to
the
contrary,
I
think
it's
time
to
close
this
this
meeting.