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Salt Lake City Historic Landmarks Commission Meeting - 10/06/2022
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A
A
A
C
A
D
Thank
you,
so
just
real
quick
wanted
to
update
the
commission
on
a
couple
of
things
that
are
pending
with
the
city
council.
They
have
some
long-standing
zoning
changes
that
they're
going
that
they
had
a
briefing
on
a
couple
weeks
ago
and
they
have
tentatively
scheduled
for
decision
on
the
18th,
so
we'll
see
if
they
make
it
on
that
actual
agenda.
But
these
are
one
the
big,
the
big
change.
That's
included
in
this
is
a
whole
new
off
street
parking
regulation.
D
We
already
had
no
minimum,
but
it
cleans
up
that
chapter
quite
a
bit
and
expands
where
that
that
goes
and
where
people
can
apply
or
propose
no
minimum
parking
in
places
where
we've
haven't
had
that
or
where
we've
had
that
rule
in
place
it
most
projects
are
still
providing
parking,
but
it
provides
flexibility
for
those
developers,
particularly
for
housing,
because
parking
is
such
a
substantial
cost
to
constructing
housing
so
that'll
be.
We
will
probably
be
doing
some
fyi's
on
things.
D
I
know
the
landmarks
commission
doesn't
necessarily
get
into
the
parking
details
really
just
location
when
you're
looking
at
various
proposals
for
new
construction
and
things
like
that,
but
we'll
give
we'll
give
an
appropriate
level
update
to
that.
The
other
significant
change
proposal
is
the
changes
to
the
rmf-30
zone.
So
that's
a
multi-family
zoning
District,
the
30
is
the
bill.
Is
the
maximum
Building
height
a
lot
of
that
is
in
historic
districts.
D
So
a
lot
of
the
town
home
types
of
new
construction
that
you're
seeing
on
sites
that
were
non-contributing
structures
or
vacant
are
typically
in
one
of
the
RMF
zones,
and
so
that
proposal
lowers
the
minimum
lot
size
per
dwelling
unit
and
it
adds
some
design
standards
that
apply
to
the
district
as
a
whole.
Not
just
things
that
were
in
the
historic
district.
D
The
lot
width
is
being
removed
in
that
proposal
so
which,
which
really
is
actually
a
a
best
practice
in
in
field
development.
We
are
instilling
a
maximum
lot
width
to
keep
people
from
combining
large
Pro
parcels
and
creating
something
that
is
entirely
out
of
scale
for
what
may
be
on
in
that
zone.
So.
D
Yeah,
so
basically,
what
it
does
is
that
we've
divided
we've
categorized
each
zoning
District
into
what
we're
calling
parking
contexts,
so
those
that
are
served
well
by
transit
doesn't
have
to
necessarily
be
real
but
high
frequency,
so
at
least
15
minute
service
or
less
those
are
the
one.
Those
are
the
zoning
districts
that
don't
require
minimum
parking.
D
No,
so,
basically
what
someone
would
do
if
they're
proposing
a
new
project-
let's
say
it's
in
a
D1
Zone
Downtown:
they
look
for
all
the
D1
regulations,
all
that
stuff
Billy
Heights
setbacks,
yada
yada,
then
they
look
at
their
parking
and
what
they're
going
to
find
is
like
oh
I'm
in
the
D1
zone,
so
I'm
in
the
category
that
doesn't
require
minimum
parking.
I
can
then
fulfill
whatever
needs.
I
need
in
my
site
or
work
to
have
a
shared
parking
with
existing
parking
garages
or
something
like
that.
D
D
And
then
the
Third
item
is
the
project
that
started
has
expanding,
where
in
the
city
single
room,
occupancy
dwelling
in
types
of
housing
can
go,
it's
called
shared
housing.
Is
we
changed
the
name
of
that?
But
it's
intended
to
expand
where
in
the
city
we
can
build,
or
people
can
build
housing
that
for
people
primarily
who
are
transitioning
out
of
homelessness
or
preventing
them,
giving
them
options
so
that
they
don't
become
homeless.
D
There
is
a
growing
Trend,
not
just
in
the
United
States,
but
worldwide
of
shared
housing
being
more
market
rate,
because
there's
a
lot
of
people
who
that
fits
their
lifestyle.
So
those
are
the
three
the
the
big
three
changes
or
proposals
that
are
like
I,
said
they've,
been
with
the
council
for
I.
Think
since
some
of
them
since
2019.,
so
it's
it'll
be
good
to
get
decisions
either
way
on
those
things,
and
then
we
can
know
how
to
move
forward
and
on
to
the
next.
D
A
F
So
my
name
is
Cindy
Cromer
and
nothing
that
I
say
to
you
tonight
should
be
interpreted
as
criticism
of
you,
at
least
in
the
next
two
minutes,
but
I
looked
at
your
authorization
in
21A
I'm
in
21A
0.06.050,
and
you
have
the
authority
to
make
recommendations
when
requested
by
the
Planning
Commission
the
hearing
officer
or
the
city
council
as
appropriate
on
applications
for
zoning
amendments.
This
is
related
to
your
last
item,
which
is
not
open
to
public
comment.
F
F
There
is
abundant
commercial
space,
both
conforming
and
non-conforming.
In
this
neighborhood.
There
is
historic
and
recently
constructed
commercial
space,
and
it
is
utterly
inadequate
that
the
city
continues
to
fail
to
fix
the
housing
loss
mitigation
ordinance.
You
cannot
take
housing
out
of
the
city's
Supply
when
we
are
in
the
kind
of
duress
regarding
housing
that
we
are,
and
we
also
don't
have
adequate
ordinances
regarding
adaptive,
reuse.
A
Into
the
the
items
that
we
have
before
us
this
evening
and
before
we
do
that
and
well
let
me
let
me
just
say
that
there
are
I
believe
there
are.
There
are
four
four
items
before
us
this
morning
this
evening,
and
then
one
of
them
is
the
last
is
a
work
session
and
I
wanted
to
to
read
something
just
just
before
we
do
that.
A
So
it's
anyone
who
is
adversely
affected,
who
isn't
an
adversely
affected
party,
as
defined
by
Utah
code,
section
10-9a-103,
May
appeal:
a
decision
of
the
Historic
Landmark
commission
by
filing
a
written
appeal
with
the
appeals
hearing
officer
within
10
calendar
days,
following
the
date
of
which
a
record
of
decision
is
issued.
The
applicant
May
object
to
the
decision
of
the
Historic
Landmark
commission
by
filing
a
written
appeal
with
the
appeals
hearing
officer
within
30
calendar
days
following
the
date
on
which
a
record
of
decision
is
issued.
A
G
Thank
you
chair.
This
is
for
new
construction
of
a
two
family
dwelling,
along
with
a
request
for
modification
of
the
front
yard,
setback
from
20
feet
to
17
feet
5
inches.
The
proposed
residence
is
located
on
the
west
side
of
700
East,
approximately
mid
block
between
100
South
and
200
South.
It's
located
at
136,
South,
700
East
to
the
north
is
a
two-story
com.
Contributing
a
small
multi-family
building
and
to
the
South
is
a
single
story.
G
The
streetscape
view
at
the
top
of
the
slide
places
the
proposed
dwelling
in
context
with
other
dwellings
on
the
Block
face.
There
are
a
mix
of
building
Types
on
this
street
and
most
are
residential
and
historic
structures.
The
proposed
dwellings
have
a
total
footprint
of
3
387
square
feet
and
are
two
stories.
The
front
unit
Unit
A
faces
700
East
and
the
rear
unit.
Unit
B
is
located
behind
it.
G
The
proposed
dwelling
is
two
stories
with
a
height
of
approximately
26
feet,
and
then
this
slide
shows
the
front
elevation.
The
roof
is
asphalt
shingle,
while
the
entry
porch
roofs
are
standing
sea
metal,
the
building
materials
are
a
fiber
cement,
siding
stucco
and
stone
veneer,
and
the
windows
are
aluminum,
clad
wood.
The
doors
will
be
composite
with
French
doors
on
the
second
floor
and
then
both
have
transoms
above
them,
with
the
condition
of
approval
for
individually
cut
stone.
G
So
this
shows
the
North
and
South
elevations.
The
materials
on
these
elevations
are
the
same
as
the
front
facade
the
fiber,
summon
sighting
the
stucco
and
the
stone
veneer
in
the
second
store.
Second
floor
patio
separates
the
two
units
and
then
on
the
south
elevation.
There
are
cantilevered
areas
that
extend
generally
over
the
garage.
G
This
elevation.
This
shows
the
rear,
elevation
and
similar
to
the
others.
The
materials
are
the
fiber
cement,
siding
stucco
and
the
stone
veneer,
and
so
the
staff
recommends
approval
of
the
new
construction
request
for
the
two
family
dwelling
and
supports
the
modification
in
the
reduction
of
the
front
yard
setback,
along
with
the
conditions
of
approval
that
were
identified
in
the
staff
report
and
overall
staff
finds
that
the
proposal
meets
the
historic
design
guidelines
and
complies
with
the
residential
design
guidelines.
G
I
I
You
wonderful
I'm
Matt,
with
gzw
Architects
I
appreciate
your
time.
We
are
very
excited
to
present
this
project.
Sarah
I've
covered
a
lot
of
the
aspects
of
this.
We
wanted
to
create
a
a
home
that
would
fill
like
it
belonged
in
the
neighborhood
we've
combined,
a
high-end
residential
architectural
style.
I
The
materials
consist
primarily
of
durable
materials
so
that
the
the
building
will
maintain
a
well-kept
like
the
stucco
sighting
is
used
in
a
limited
fashion,
just
in
strategic
locations
to
enhance
the
variety
of
materials
and,
like
Sarah
said,
we've
been
working
with
her
to
to
better
bring
it
in
line
with
the
goals
of
the
historic
district.
Here,
originally
we
had
overhang
and
that
was
in
the
rear
setback.
I
I
B
I
Originally
we
had
the
building
at
the
setback
for
the
front
in
working
with
Sarah.
She
noted
that
the
adjacent
buildings
were
a
little
closer
to
the
street,
so
in
conjunction
with
eliminating
that
back
overhang,
our
suggestion
was
to
bring
the
building
forward
a
little
bit
to
more
closely
align
with
adjacent
structures.
I
A
F
Want
you
to
look
at
the
the
streetscape
and
the
context
of
the
other
contributory
structures
provided
by
this
applicant
compared
to
station
424,
which
you
saw
a
few
months
ago.
This
applicant
has
done
a
far
superior
job
of
showing
what
his
project
will
look
like
in
the
context
of
the
streetscape
and
I
want
to
register
that
and
offer
my
compliments.
We
need
to
know
how
a
new
building
fits
in.
Secondly,
I
want
to
talk
to
you
about
what
was
here.
F
F
I
looked
at
it
for
possible
purchase
in
2003
I,
do
not
invest
on
state
highways.
That's
a
personal
Rule
and
the
building
was
also
in
bad
condition
and
was
overpriced.
So
I
did
not
proceed
with
its
acquisition,
but
it
had
absolutely
fabulous
architectural
details,
especially
in
the
dining
room
where
there
was
leaded
glass
and
the
original
built-ins
had
the
original
staircase.
It
was
being
used
as
a
boarding
house,
and
there
were
far
more
than
three
unrealated
people
living
in
the
house
when
I
toured
it.
F
F
J
A
C
K
E
Like
yeah
I,
just
wanted
to
say,
I
really
appreciate
the
working
with
the
planning
staff
to
incorporate
some
of
those
historical
elements
that
help
it
to
tie
into
that
to
the
the
neighborhood
itself
and
the
French
doors
nice
touch
there
and
I
also
was
appreciative
of
the
sparing
of
the
large
tree
at
the
corner.
On
the
on
the
lot
line
there
that
there's
that
that
that
will
be
hopefully
taken
care
of
it's
not
too
much
disruption
to
the
root
system.
But.
A
B
I
A
It's
just
I'll
add
a
final
comment
and
it
almost
feels
to
me
like
it's
a
it's
a
unit
with
an
accessory
dwelling
unit,
instantly
added
and
I.
Think
it's
a
it's
an
interesting
response
to
the
housing
shortage
that
we
have
in
in
Salt,
Lake
and
I
find
it
quite
interesting
that
it's
it's
a
it's
a
use.
It's
it's!
It's
it's!
It's!
It's
a
maximum
use
of
of
the
site.
You
know
for
two
units,
as
opposed
to
just
one
so
very
nicely
done.
Thank.
I
C
I
will
make
a
motion
based
on
the
findings
listed
in
the
staff
report.
The
information
presented
and
input
received
during
the
public
hearing
I
move
that
the
Historic
Landmark
commission
approved
the
request
for
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
the
new
construction
of
the
two
family
dwelling
at
136
South
700
East,
as
presented
in
plnhlc.
H
E
A
D
A
L
That's
me,
thank
you,
so
the
you're
reviewing
this
request
to
consider
it's
a
compatibility
with
the
district.
According
to
the
standards
you
have
in
front
of
you,
it's
a
request
for
new
construction
of
a
modern
style
building
at
158,
North,
State
Street,
here's
some
context.
It's
in
the
rmf-35
zone.
It's
the
second
house
on
the
property.
L
L
The
second
is
the
reducing
the
front
yard
setback
from
20
feet
to
13
feet
so
that
the
house
is
brought
forward
in
context
with
the
rest
of
the
neighborhood.
So
it's
in
line
with
what's
going
on
and
then
reducing
that
lot,
width
from
50
feet
to
42.5
feet,
and
that's
an
approximate
number
it's
that
as
close
as
we're
going
to
get
here
and
then
the
East
lot.
There
were
a
couple
other
modifications,
specifically
reducing
that
South
Side
yard
setback
from
10
feet
to
zero
feet
and
I've
tried
to
label
it
here.
L
Let's
get
to
know
the
the
site,
this
has
been
from
what
I
understand.
Historically,
a
pool
for
this
property.
There
is
a
building
you
can
see
here
that
blue
looking
building
towards
the
back
see,
if
see,
where
my
hand
is
that
oops,
that
was
a
pool
house
and
it
will
be
cleared
and
it's
actually
like
built
into
the
retaining
wall
in
the
back
that'll
be
all
reinforced.
So
there
will
no
longer
be
a
pool
house
there.
It
had
an
address
on
Google
Maps
and
that
confused
me,
but
it's
nothing.
L
It's
just
a
pool
house
we'll
just
walk
through
here,
so
you
can
get
a
view
for
those
who
haven't
had
a
chance
to
go
to
the
site.
This
is
from
the
southwest
corner,
where
the
steepest
slope
on
the
property
is,
and
this
retaining
wall
would
be
removed
and
replaced
with
a
structural
retaining
wall
reflecting
the
design
of
the
the
house
and
we'll
see
that,
on
the
the
street
view,
there's
that
pool
house
and
some
fencing.
This
is
the
where
I'm
standing
here
is
in
that
Park
and
there's
that
window
and.
L
L
This
is
that
Tudor
house
to
the
north
I
get
I
get
confused
because
uphill
is
east.
In
my
brain
for
everywhere,
except
for
this
part
of
town,
then
some
homes
around
the
neighborhood
across
the
street
to
give
give
you
some
more
context
because
to
the
north,
the
homes
other
than
the
one
that's
immediately
adjacent
on
the
same
property.
L
They
are
of
this
very
extravagant
Tudor
style
that
doesn't
they're
special
and
what
what
if
we
tried
to
follow
the
context
here,
there's
a
lot
of
other
homes
that
we'd
be
ignoring
that
the
context
across
the
street,
so
there's
some
homes
across
the
street.
This
is
one
of
my
favorites
and
I
just
wanted
to
exhibit
this,
because
this
color
scheme
seems
to
best
reflect
what
they're
proposing,
especially
with
the
stucco
and
the
black
trim.
L
Okay.
Here
we
go
so
you
see
this
retaining
wall
here
that
they're
proposing
to
kind
of
give
it
I
hate
that
Mouse,
a
structural
base,
there's
a
chimney
right
there
in
the
middle,
and
they
have
worked
closely
with
staff
to
modify
what
they
had
initially
proposed
into.
What
is
in
front
of
you
today
in
the
staff
report,
I
included
what
it
was
and
what
it
is
now
it's
a
big
step
forward.
L
They
they
took
away
a
garage
that
was
proposed
on
the
front
of
the
house
and
moved
that
to
parking
in
the
rear.
They
gave
it
a
stronger
base
on
the
instead
of
having
it
floating
on
glass,
giving
it
that
that
porch
base
feeling
that
you
see
more
often
in
these
older
construction
styles
and
giving
the
windows
more
more
divisions.
So
you
have
that
vertical
emphasis
to
help
it
meet
with
the
standards
we've
looked
at
this.
This
is
the
site
plan
and
some
elevations
here.
C
L
L
M
We
bought
this
house
eight
or
nine
years
ago,
the
or
sorry,
eight
or
nine
months
ago,
the
existing
house.
It
was
a
complete
coincidence,
but
it
was
my
wife's
great
grandfather
who
built
that
house
and
so
my
biggest
crit,
no
I,
don't
but
yeah.
My
father-in-law
is
my
biggest
critic
because
he's
super
into
like
the
history
of
the
house
and
everything-
and
it
was
in
quite
a
bit
of
disrepair,
the
the
other
owner
had
chopped
it
up
into
a
Triplex,
and
so
anyway,
we're
super
proud.
M
We
spent
over
four
hundred
thousand
dollars
and
just
finished
the
remodel
on
that
existing
house,
and
it's
just
beautiful
and
we
and
Stuart
back.
There
did
an
amazing
job
of
using
a
lot
of
the
existing
things
and
we
pulled
off
drywall
on
the
fireplace
and
there
was
this
like
100
year
old
mural,
that
we
brought
back
and
everything
so
anyway.
We're
super
proud
of
what
we
did
there
and
this
house
we've
put.
M
You
can
tell
we've
kind
of
spared
no
expense
in
the
architecture,
because
this
is
the
first
house
when
you're
looking
up
at
from
City
Creek
Park
up.
This
will
be
the
first
one
you
see,
and
so
we
tried
really
hard
to
blend
a
historical
nature,
but
also
make
it
modern
and
something
that
will
be
really
amazing
for
50
or
100
years.
And
so
we
put
a
lot
of
detail
into
the
side
of
the
house
that
runs
along
the
park.
M
B
M
E
K
I
know
we're
delegating
details
to
staff,
but
it
seems
to
me
that
there
are
some
substantial
details
at
the
base
of
the
house,
the
that
don't
seem
to
be
resolved
in
the
drawings.
Specifically,
where
Windows
meet
the
ground
in
the
renderings,
it
seems
like
the
grass
just
sort
of
flows
through
the
bottom
of
the
house
and
in
the
and
in
the
elevations.
If
we
could
go
to
the
elevation,
there
doesn't
seem
to
be
a
Terminus
to
those
windows
and
I
guess.
M
I'm,
not
the
world
Dex.
My
thought
on
that
is,
you
know.
Obviously
we
we
set
the
house
where
we'll
stay
under
the
35
feet
and
the
basement
will
sit
if
it
fits
a
nine
foot
basement,
don't
hold
me
to
the
exact
amount,
but
for
you
know,
four
or
five
feet
will
be
sitting
above
ground
and
four
will
be
kind
of
sunk
into
the
ground.
Ish,
so
about
half
will
be
up
and
half
will
be
down
to
kind
of
preserve
that
look
from
the
side
from
the
from
the
front,
but
the
side
I'd.
M
Imagine
since
there's
only
four
feet
of
Park
and
we
don't
have
a
ton
of
room
to
put
like
window
wells
in
we'd,
probably
just
dig
the
side
of
the
house
down
so
that
it
looks
like
a
walk
out
from
the
park
side,
but
from
the
front
of
the
house.
It
wouldn't
look
like
that
and
we've
kind
of
put
that
fence
in
front
to
block
it.
So
it
doesn't
look
like
it's
a
walk
out
from
the
side.
It
looks
like
it's
more
of
a
half
story
from
the
front.
H
A
E
K
I'm
I
guess
I'm
a
little
more
skeptical
than
my
colleagues
on
the
commission.
I
I
appreciate
the
way
that
they've
worked
within
the
constraints
of
this
unusual
sloped
site,
but
I
do
find
the
details
unsatisfying
in
this
particular
set
of
drawings
and
I
wish
that
we
had
just
a
little
bit
more
information
on
that
very
important
South
face
because
it
is
going
to
be
so
visible
from
a
lot
of
different
Vantage
points.
K
K
C
Maybe
don't
share
the
complexity
of
concern
with
respect
to
that,
although
I
can
understand
where
you're
coming
from
I
architecture
is
not
quite
my
foretail
like
it
is
yours.
The
only
thing
that
I
would
comment
on
is
that
I
would
prefer
to
see
that
if
we
are
building
a
screen
for
the
mechanical
equipment,
that
that
be
an
acoustical
screen,
so
that
we
can
mitigate
sound
transmission
into
City
Creek
Park,
which
really
is
a
core
feature
of
this
part
of
the
city.
A
I'll
I'll
offer
just
just
a
couple
of
comments
that
when
I
was
going
through,
the
packet
I
think
the
the
thing
that
struck
me
is
is
back
on
page
number
two,
and
it
just
has
to
do
with
with
how,
although
it's
new
construction
in
a
historic
area
it
it
feels
like
it
fits
height,
wise
width-wise,
it's
an
unusual
site.
You
know
based
on
on
where
it
is,
but
it
it
I
I
can
see
into
the
future.
A
You
know
two
three
years
from
now
when
this
is
constructed
that
it's
you
know,
it's
a
welcome
addition
to
the
neighborhood
and
it
and
you
know
it
feels
right
and
it's
not.
It
doesn't
overpower
its
neighbors
and
it
seems
to
be
respectful
to
to
the
past
that
that
it
has,
and
so
those
would
be
my
comments.
B
A
G
C
A
A
L
L
L
H
H
L
There
we
go.
This
is
for
a
enforcement
case,
like
we,
like
Michael,
said
for
a
painted
brick
at
275,
South,
Douglas,
Street,
here's
the
context,
we're
recommending
the
commission
deny
this
request,
as
it
does
not
meet
the
relevant
standards
in
the
historic
preservation
code
or
in
the
the
design
guidelines.
L
L
And
I'm
not
sure
if
the
date
on
this
one
it
was
an
address
card
photo
in
the
state
information
that
they
had
just
a
comparison
of.
What's
going
on,
they've
gone
with
this
green
color,
which
obscures
The,
Brick
and
just
based
on.
What's
in
your
staff
report,
staff
does
not
find
that
painting
The
Brick
meets
the
standards
you've
already
seen.
A
lot
of
these.
L
K
L
A
O
It's
fine
I
can
probably
wing
it
hi.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
I'm
Dede
Plummer,
my
husband
and
I
own,
this
property
at
275,
South,
Douglas,
Street,
not
an
excuse,
but
I,
didn't
know
I
needed
to
apply
for
the
painting
of
The
Brick.
So
please
just
know
that
this
I
this
we
started
not
I.
You
know,
I
know
that
that's
no
excuse,
but
we
weren't
trying
to
deceive
anyone.
O
O
O
O
We
have
done
extensive
Renovations
in
this
house
in
the
10
years
that
we've
owned
it.
It
was
in
very
bad
shape
when
we
bought
it.
The
previous
owners
had
not
updated
anything
and,
as
you
see
in
the
brick,
any
repairs
that
were
done
were
done
poorly
and
with
no
attention
to
to
details
or
Aesthetics.
When
we
bought
the
house,
we
did.
We
redid
all
the
electrical
all
the
plumbing
added
HVAC
and
put
an
apartment
in
the
basement
in
the
time.
O
But
after
that
we
also
rebuilt
the
garage
that
was
completely
falling
down.
We
put
in
a
new
driveway
added
a
sprinkling
system
since
I
moved
in
last
year,
we've
added
a
brand
new
roof,
a
completely
new
roof.
This,
the
cedar
siding,
was
all
over
50
percent
damaged
with
insects
and
water.
So
we
had
to
completely
remove
all
of
that
and
all
of
the
trim
that
was
all
replaced
with
high
quality
cedar,
siding
just
that
we
took
off
and
replaced
with
high
quality,
Pine
and
Cedar
trim.
O
We
got
new
gutters
and
in
the
attempt
to
then
you
know
finish
that
work
we
paint
we
started
painting
we
had
chosen
Craftsman
appropriate
colors
I,
worked
very
closely
with
a
paint
design
person
to
pick
very
like
that.
Just
classic
Craftsman
green
with
the
white
trim
we're
going
to
add
some.
We
have.
We
did.
O
A
I
do
have
one
question
when
I
was
driving
around
the
the
neighborhood
and
and
I
live
no
more
than
three
blocks
from
here.
The
painting
that
I
think
has
happened
is
at
the
porch
columns
at
the
porch,
but
on
the
west
face,
but
not
not
any
painting.
It
started
on
the
west
on
this.
What
would
it
be
the
south
side
and
that's
where
it
stopped
correct?
Was
there
any
painting
in
the
back
in
in
the
north
side
of
the
house,
I
couldn't
tell
we.
O
A
A
B
K
That
we
in
following
staff
recommendation
or
reading
stack
ref
staff
recommendation,
there's
not
much
room
for
us
to
divert
unless
we
have
a
substantial
reasoning
for
it,
which
we
have
had
in
some
cases,
but
in
this
case
I
I,
don't
think
the
the
repairs
that
have
been
done
over
the
years
are
justification
enough
to
paint
the
brick
on
the
whole
house.
I
think
there
are
better
solutions
to
that.
K
A
A
B
I
agree:
we're
kind
of
stuck
with
the
guideline.
I
too
really
hate
these
cases,
all
I'd
say
is
I.
Think
we
see
where
this
is
going
in
terms
of
our
vote,
but
the
commission,
the
Michael,
read
the
the
paragraph
about
what
the
next
step
could
be.
If
this
does
not
go
in
the
applicant's
favor,
so
I'd
encourage
you
to
consider
what
options
you
have.
H
A
H
A
D
Very
much
Mr
chair
can
I
add
real,
quick
too.
Just
for
the
applicant's
sake.
If
you
reach
out
to
Kelsey
Lindquist
in
the
planning
office,
we
can
make
sure
that
Aaron
gives
you
her
contact.
Information
she's
would
be
happy
to
help
you
figure
out
the
best,
the
most
best
method
for
bringing
that
into
compliance
with
the
pain.
A
J
J
J
So
this
is
a
proposed
rezone
and
master
plan
Amendment
for
the
property
at
865,
South
500
East,
because
the
property
is
in
a
local
historic
district
and
contains
a
contributing
building
to
the
district.
Your
feedback
is
requested
before
the
item
moves
to
the
Planning
Commission
for
their
recommendation
to
the
city
council,
who
will
be
the
ultimate
approval
body.
J
J
The
applicant
is
proposing
to
amend
the
zoning
map
so
that
this
property
would
be
located
in
the
CN
neighborhood
commercial
District
he's
also
proposing
to
amend
the
Central
Community
master
plan,
which
this
property
is
located
within
the
future
land
use
map
and
the
plan
designates
this
property
as
low
density
residential
and
the
applicant
would
like
to
amend
the
map
so
that
this
property
would
be
designated
as
neighborhood
commercial.
This
would
be
done
in
order
to
support
his
rezone
request.
J
J
The
historic
overlay
zoning
requirements
for
alterations
to
a
contributing
structure
include
a
standard
that
a
property
shall
be
used
for
its
historic
purpose
or
be
used
for
a
purpose
that
requires
minimal
change
to
the
defining
characteristics
of
the
building
and
its
site
and
environment,
depending
on
the
alterations
proposed
by
the
applicant
to
accommodate
a
commercial
conversion.
Should
the
rezone
request
be
approved,
the
proposed
alterations
would
need
to
address
the
standard
and
could
be
in
conflict
with
it.
J
The
block
of
500
East,
on
which
this
property
is
situated,
is
defined
primarily
by
residential
uses.
Generally
single
and
two
family
dwellings
and
small
multi-family
buildings,
Liberty
Park,
is
located
within
close
proximity
directly
to
the
West
is
a
70
unit
apartment
building,
which
is
the
largest
structure
in
the
immediate
area.
J
The
two
properties
to
the
South
contain
a
restaurant
and
a
butcher
shop.
These
properties
are
Zone
CN,
so
the
proposed
rezone
would
expand
the
footprint
of
the
sand
Zone
and
extend
it
to
the
interior
of
the
block
on
500
East
in
general
properties
along
the
900
South
Corridor
are
Zone
CN
RB,
which
is
the
residential
business
district
or
rmf-30
to
the
north
of
900
South.
J
J
Rmf-30
and
CN
differ
primarily
in
the
types
of
uses
permitted
in
each
district.
Rmf30
allows
for
single
two
and
multi-family
dwellings,
depending
on
the
size
of
the
lot
it
does
not
allow
for
commercial
uses,
although
it
does
permit
non-residential
uses
that
are
incidental
to
residential
neighborhoods
such
as
Community,
Gardens,
daycares
or
parks.
J
J
J
J
Remapping,
the
property
to
CN
would
introduce
landscape
buffering
requirements
because
the
neighboring
properties
to
the
north
and
east
are
zoned
for
residential.
A
seven
foot
Landscaping
buffer
is
required
when
a
budding,
a
residential
district
and
parking
lot
perimeter
Landscaping
is
required
when
the
parking
is
located
within
20
feet
of
a
lot
line
or
in
a
required
yard.
A
J
A
number
of
adopted
City
plans
and
policies
are
applicable
to
the
proposed
project
plan.
Salt
Lake
is
the
city-wide
master
plan
and
this
property
is
located
in
the
Central
Community
neighborhood
plan
area
because
of
the
property's
location
in
a
local
historic
district.
The
city's
preservation
plan
also
applies
and
because
the
proposal
would
involve
replacing
a
housing
unit
with
a
non-residential
use.
The
city's
housing
plan
growing
SLC
is
applicable
as
well.
In
general,
the
proposed
rezone
is
not
supported
by
the
applicable
plans
and
policies.
J
Several
specific
goals
and
initiatives
in
growing
SLC
are
also
not
supportive
of
the
proposed
amendment.
Plant
Salt
Lake
is
more
mixed,
with
some
guiding
principles
and
initiatives
in
the
neighborhoods
transportation
and
mobility
and
economy
chapters
being
in
support
of
The
Proposal
or
principles,
and
initiatives
in
the
housing
and
Parks
and
Recreation
chapters
were
not
supportive
in
general.
The
community
preservation
plan
is
supportive
of
adaptive
reuse,
where
it
creates
more
housing
units,
but
is
not
an
outright
supportive.
J
J
Some
policies
may
offer
support
for
a
project
that
converted
a
housing
unit
to
non-residential
if
the
structure
were
not
significantly
altered
and
negative
impacts
were
mitigated
on
balance,
the
adopted
plans
and
policies
of
the
city
do
not
support
the
requested
rezone
and
master
plan
amendment,
in
particular
the
fact
that
there
is
a
specific
policy
in
the
neighborhood
plan
for
this
area
that
states
this
exact
type
of
land
use.
Conversion
should
be
avoided
as
a
strong
conflict
because
of
this
staff
will
recommend
to
the
Planning
Commission
that
they
forward
a
negative
recommendation
to
the
city
council.
A
B
A
negative
negative,
a
negative
I'm,
just
thinking
about
and
I'm
unable
to
get
online
to
check
the
zoning.
My
office
is
on
9th
East
and
13th
South,
actually
1234
South,
9th
East.
We
are
three
buildings
up
from
the
corner
and
I
believe
we
are
a
CN
Zone
there
and
there's
commercial
around
us
we're
the
next
building
to
the
north
of
us.
I
believe
is
no,
that's
not
C
and
we're
the
last
CN,
but
it's
three
buildings
up
from
the
corner,
so
Ninth
and
Ninth
East
13th
South.
Why
is
this
50s?
Ninth
South
intersection?
J
The
primary
reason
is
that
the
Central
Community
master
plan
specifically
says
that
this
is
something
that
we
didn't
want
to
see.
There's
a
specific
land
use
policy
that
talks
about
converting
low
density,
residential
areas
to
higher
density,
residential
and
Commercial,
and
about
how
we
we
didn't
want
to
see
that
in
this
master,
plane
area.
E
A
I
I
I
can
comment
as
well
and
that
when
I've
I've
driven
around
this
neighborhood
and
two
or
three
four
blocks,
you
know
around
there
as
well
and
and
I
can
I
can
see
and
understand
that
you
know
in
living.
You
know
not
very
far
from
here
as
well
that
housing
keeps
getting
chipped
away,
chipped
away,
chipped
away
a
little
by
little
little
by
little
and
I,
get
that
and
and
we're
in
such
a
housing
crunch
right
now
that
you
know,
that's
that's
anathema.
B
Yeah,
if
this
isn't
necessarily
going
to
happen
here
but
I
across
the
street
from
us,
would
be
the
northeast
corner
of
the
9th
East
13th
South
intersection
a
convenience
store
closed
and
now
it's
a
tattoo
parlor
I
was
looking
for
the
funky
Bakery
Espresso
shop
and
it's
tattoos.
So
who
knows?
I
mean
commercial.
This.
M
B
E
A
Michael,
it
seems
like
it
could
go
in
one
of
two
directions
that
it
it
it
stays
as
it
is,
and
you
know
the
applicant
is
denied
or
the
applicant
is,
is
successful
and
then,
to
be
honest,
I
think
we
have
another
another
review
of
what's
going
to
go
in
and
that
can
can
also
go.
You
know
up
or
down.
So
it's
it's
interesting
and
it
just
feels
like
it's
not
quite
there's,
not
quite
enough
information
to
to
say
well,
you
should
do
this
or
you
shouldn't
do
that.
It's
interesting!
It's
interesting
information
and
I.
J
E
I
think
I
take
the
the
opposite
side
of
of
being
swayed
and
that
you'd
have
to
con.
I
would
need
to
see
more
information
as
to
why
there's
really
a
necessity
to
take
away
the
housing
element.
I
noticed
that,
ironically,
the
owner's
name
in
1989
was
rent
Co.
So
it's
been
a
rental
for
quite
some
time
and
I
do
believe.
E
It's
currently
a
rental
according
to
the
report,
and
because
the
the
balance
of
the
city
plans
seemed
to
be
in
favor
of
maintaining
that
rental
residential
status,
it
should
be
a
pretty
darn,
good,
restaurant
or
business
to
consider
encroaching
on
the
residential,
neighborhoods,
I,
think
and
because
another
office
is
three
blocks
down
on
Ninth
East
doesn't
necessarily
mean
that
the
central
cities
should
go
that
direction
too.
It's
almost
well
darn.
They
didn't
catch
that
one,
but
let's
not
just
assume
that
that's
the
way
to
go
and.
B
B
It's
a
tough
one,
because
if
the
zoning
was
left
as
it
is
well,
the
house
probably
isn't
coming
down
in
any
case,
but
I
was
thinking.
If
if
there
could
be
more
density
of
housing
there,
could
you
put
a
some
Town
Homes,
two
or
three
four
unit
townhome?
If
we're,
if
we're
trying
to
increase
housing
stock
but
keep
it
from
going.
E
C
H
H
H
A
A
A
N
N
N
South
is
a
sea
in
its
own,
however,
and
this
is
just
a
point
of
Interest,
maybe
but
but
that
house
is
now
being
lived
in
by
the
third
generation
of
family
and
they
have
no
intent,
they
love
the
neighborhood.
You
know,
I,
don't
think
you
could
for
a
million
dollars.
You
couldn't
buy
that
house,
probably
from
them,
because
they,
you
know
third
generation.
N
The
third
generation
that
is,
there
is
probably
mid
30s.
Something
like
that.
So
you
know
foreseeably.
Maybe
you
know
it
might
be
another
40
years
before
the
chance
of
that
house
to
become
you
know.
If
he,
whatever
happens,
you
know
a
chance
of
that
house
to
be
coming
to
see
and
or
a
commercial
zone
or
a
commercial
property.
N
Now,
if
we
look
at
865,
this
property
is
really
interesting
and
I.
Don't
know
when
this
happened,
but
the
history
is-
and
this
is
back
several
years
with
the
the
original
owner
of
517.
I-
know
I,
don't
it's
a
little
crazy.
The
original
owner
of
517
purchased
the
back
lot
of
the
pro
back
backyard
of
865,
because
the
people
who
owned
865
the
husband,
the
man,
got
sick
and
had
some
hospital
bills.
This
is
the
way
I
understand
the
story.
N
It
was
had
some
hospital
bills,
and
so
the
people
at
at
517
bought
their
back
property
from
helping
pay
for
the
hospital
bills.
No,
that
is
an
illegal
purchase,
of
course,
I'm
not
addressing
that
at
all.
But
what
I
mean
by
that
is
you
know
you
in
a
subdivided
neighborhood,
you
can't
subdivide
your
lot
and
sell
it
off
to
the
neighbor.
You
know.
If
that
were
the
case,
then
you
know
somebody
would
be
like
I
don't
want
to
shovel
my
snow.
N
Do
you
want
to
buy
it
or
some
you
want
to
buy
my
driveway,
you
know
so
and
the
reason
I'm
saying
this
is
there
really
isn't
an
opportunity
to
add
an
additional
housing
unit
there,
because
the
lot
is
so
small.
Now,
in
the
back
of
the
house,
there
really
is
only
room
for
two
cars.
Maybe
there's
not
a
carport,
it's
just
a
driveway
back
there
and
the.
If
you
can.
N
You
know
in
that
house
there
was
no
backyard,
so
it's
there's
not
really
an
opportunity.
The
person
I
ran
into
works
at
the
restaurant
right
now.
If
they
move
out
or
if
he
moves
out.
You
know
it's
not,
there's
really
not
an
opportunity
like
to
rent
it
to
a
family
or
something
because
you
there's
no
backyard
for
the
kids
to
go
and
play
or
anything
like
that
right.
E
N
A
Thank
you
yeah.
You
know
it
we're
in
a
position
on
the
Historic,
Landmark,
commission
and,
and
our
main
charge
quite
frankly,
is
to
to
maintain
the
fabric
of
the
historic
neighborhood.
I
mean
that's,
that's
the
overarching
that
that's
what
we're
supposed
to
be
doing,
and
so
that's
I
think
with
whatever
comes
before
us.
If,
indeed,
this
moves
forward
and
and
the
zoning
changes,
you
know
that's
going
to
be
our
our
first.
We.
A
Just
as
I
said
in
in
you
know
in
that
earlier
case,
there's
there's
always
a
mechanism
you
know
should.
Should
we
vote,
you
know
adversely
to
to
what
you
want.
There's
an
appeals
process,
I
I
think
I'll
go
back
to
what
what
my
I
first
said
in
that
this
this
this
feels
like
and
not
even
looking
at
your
property,
that
that
housing
in
in
all
of
these
areas
is
just
being
chipped
out
and
chipped
out
a
little
bit
in
a
little
bit
and
there's
there's
a
Tipping
Point.
You
know
that.
A
How
much
has
has
this
area,
because
you're
you're
talking
about
that
517,
has
purchased
the
what
used
to
be
the
backyard
and
so
now
what's
left
of
of
865
has
been
diminished
by
that
backyard
and
I
understand
the
point,
but
it's
still
larger
than
it.
Maybe
this
site
may
be
larger
than
something
we've
looked
at.
You
know
earlier
this
evening.
So
can
it
still
be
a
viable
home?
A
Can
you
know
I,
perhaps
I
think
you
know
so
it
it's
it's
right
on
the
edge
and
it
you
know,
you've
got
you've,
got
the
CN
almost
not
not
quite
surrounding
it,
but
but
to
the
South
and
to
the
east
a
bit
but
there's,
but
but
to
the
you
know
a
little
bit
north
and
east,
and
certainly
East.
You
know
it
is
it
is
residential
across
the
street
is
something
you
know
it's
something
else,
it's
it's.
What
is
it
rm1?
So
this
is
in
that
transition
zone?
A
D
Chair
can
I
interject
for
a
moment.
I
think
it's
important
for
the
commission
to
remember
that
you
are
giving
advice
to
the
Planning
Commission
here,
not
the
applicant,
and
that
is
the
charge
of
what
our
code
says
for
zoning
changes,
and
so
the
real
question
is:
does
the
proposal
impact
the
purpose
of
the
Central
Community
historic
district,
and
is
there
reason
to
change
it
to
change
those
adopted
policies?
Well,
that
that's
that's
what
the
Planning
Commission
is
going
to
be
looking
at
as
well.
The.
E
E
E
B
I'm
not
sure
how
this
plays
into
it,
but
typically
when
a
commercial
Zone
abuts,
a
residential,
Zone
and
there's
a
certain
level
of
work
done
on
a
commercial
building,
a
landscape,
buffer
and
fence
has
to
be
installed
and
I
can't
tell
from
the
photo
here
and
I,
don't
recall
from
going
by,
but
it
it
Michael.
Perhaps
you
can
clarify
this,
but
it
looks
like
it
doesn't
have
that
and
that
adversely
affects
the
quality
of
the
residential
zoning.
There.
D
So
that
that
kicks
in
when
they're
for
existing
properties,
when
there's
an
expansion
yeah,
so
there
has
to
be
an
expansion
of
that
use
in
order
to
trigger
that
required
buffering
requirement.
If
somebody's
coming
in
to
change
the
use
within
an
existing
building,
that,
in
and
of
itself,
doesn't
trigger
the
buffer.
B
D
B
C
So
I
have
a
couple
comments:
I'm
I'm,
actually
probably
on
the
far
end
here
of
being
quite
in
favor
of
the
applicant
for
a
couple
reasons:
I
understand
the
housing
considerations,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
that's
a
Planning
Commission
decision.
It's
not
something
that
historic
landmarks
commission
has
any
particular
input
into
in
reading
this
and
I've
read
it
twice.
I
see
only
two
Provisions
that
really
speak
to
the
historic
aspect,
which
would
be
our
purview
and
I
actually
disagree
with
the
conclusions
in
the
report
on
both
and
I'll.
C
A
property
shall
be
used
for
its
historic
purpose
or
be
used
for
a
purpose
that
requires
minimal
change
to
the
defining
characteristics
of
the
building
in
the
site
and
environment,
and
goes
on
to
say
that
the
language
of
property
useful,
be
used
for
historic
purpose,
is
relevant
and
seems
to
completely
ignore
the
or
be
used
for
a
purpose
that
requires
minimal
change
to
the
defining
characters
to
the
building.
There
is
at
this
point
no
suggestion
that
the
defining
characteristics
of
the
building
will
change
and
I
don't
see
this
provision
being
in
conflict
with
the
proposal.
C
Fundamentally,
disagree
with
that
too,
largely
because
the
reason
that
there
is
a
focus
on
converting
former
commercial
and
Industrial
properties
that
are
historic
into
residential
is
because
they
are
inadequate
or
unsuitable
for
commercial
and
Industrial
use
in
the
Modern
Age
and
for
the
most
part,
one
of
the
few.
If
not,
the
only
realistic
subsequent
use
is
residential.
C
It's
uneconomic
to
convert
a
former
Residential
Building,
especially
a
historic
one,
into
a
commercial
or
an
industrial
use
and
I've
done
a
lot
of
conversions
of
commercial
and
historic
industrial
buildings
into
residential
uses
in
Salt
Lake
and
in
Washington
DC,
and
never
once
have
I
seen
it
go.
The
other
direction.
So
I
think
that
provision
is
not
suggesting
that
there
is
some
sort
of
standard
against
converting
residential
into
commercial,
but
rather
in
order
to
maintain
preservation,
we're
encouraging
conversion
into
residential
in
lieu
of
Abandonment
or
losing
the
historic
building
in
the
first
place.
C
A
So
that's
fairly
straightforward
as
to
what
the
path
forward
ought
to
be
that
if
indeed
this
non-residential
use
is
proposed,
then
there
has
to
be
a
a
housing
mitigation
plan
that
is
approved
by
the
city,
so
that
I
I.
Think,
sir,
that
that's
straightforward
and
that's
that's
the
answer
that
yes,
I,
believe
there's
a
path
forward
for
this
to
be
used
as
a
CN,
or
you
know
something
like
that.
But
it
has
to
come
with
a
companion
housing
mitigation
plan.
So
there's
there's
a
there's,
a
yin
and
yang
to
to
to
doing
what
you're
requesting.
A
H
J
Oh
okay,
we
discussed
this
last,
it's
the
housing
loss
mitigation
plan,
and
so
there
are
three
options
under
that:
the
housing
loss
mitigation
ordinance
one
is
to
build
replacement.
Housing
right,
one
is
to
pay
a
fee
into
the
city's
Housing
Trust
Fund,
and
the
third
is
to
claim
that
the
unit
is
deteriorated
and
pay
a
flat
fee
to
to
replace
it
with
something
non-residential.
A
J
It's
based
on
the
difference
between
the
County's
assessment
of
what
the
building
is
worth
without
the
land
and
the
icc's
assessment
of
what
it
costs
to
construct,
something
that
would
replace
it.
So
we
look
at
what
their
figure
is
for
finished
and
unfinished
area
for
this
type
of
construction,
this
residential
type
of
construction
and
then,
whatever
the
difference,
is
that's
what
the
fee
ends
up
being.
H
A
A
A
All
I'm
trying
to
do
is
is
that's
housing
value
and
then
there
are
and
replacement
costs.
So
it's
a
fee
based
difference
between
those
two
and
I.
Think
that's
where
you
may
be
able
to
help
the
applicant
in
terms
of
of
what
what
that
replacement
cost
might
be,
so
that
that
the
applicant
might
know
and
understand
what
that
fee
might
be,
and
then
so
that's
one
and
then
the
first
one
was
just
what
the
the
replacement
housing
you
know
could
be
right.
D
K
It
seems
to
be
based
on
the
the
letter
that
we
have
in
in
our
document
that
the
property
has
become
less
desirable
to
to
renters,
I,
guess
I,
just
I'm,
just
not
convinced
yet
that
that's
the
case.
I
mean
I.
I
I,
definitely
think
that
the
paving
of
the
front
yard
was
detrimental
in
terms
of
its
desirability,
but
I
I.
Think
that's
not
really
enough
for
me
to
be
able
to
overcome
the
second
condition
that
that
Carlson
was
talking
about
this
maintenance
of
I.
K
Don't
know
a
the
character
of
this
particular
neighborhood,
because
we're
we're
not
supposed
to
just
judge
at
the
scale
of
the
property
right,
we're
supposed
to
zoom
out
and
think
about
the
the
larger
character
of
the
hold
historic
district,
which
I
I
in
in
my
view,
would
be
detrimentally
impacted
by
this
continued
chipping
away
of
residential
use
into
commercial
use.
So
that
that's
my
perspective,
I'm
yeah,
I'm,
not
sure
what
else
I
have
to
say
right
now,
but.
B
Michael,
following
that
line
of
reasoning
and
I
I'm,
not
clear
which
way
I
prefer,
but
that
could
be
a
way
for
other
commercial
users
to
chip
away
at
the
Integrity.
Is
you
make
it
so?
The
adjacent
residential
property
becomes
less
and
less
desirable
until
finally,
you
come
in
and
say:
well,
no
one
wants
to
live
here
anyhow,
because
there's
this
noisy
business
next
door
and
they
Park
in
our
yard
and
blah
blah
blah.
You
know
I
think
that
would
tend
to
support
your
your
thinking
of
maybe
it's
not
appropriate
to
rezone.
K
That
I
mean
that's
just
my
perspective.
I've
never
been
on
the
Planning
Commission,
but
I
I
feel
like
the
the
chipping
away.
Isn't
gonna
necessarily
stop
here?
If
that's
the
justification
for
it,
but
I'm
not
I'm,
not
clear
on
what
the
justification
for
it
is
other
than
that.
If
there's,
if
there's
more
reasoning
behind
the
the
reason
aside
from
just
this,
has
become
less
desirable
as
a
as
a
rental
unit,
so
is.
B
There
a
reason
to
be
concerned
about
precedent
here.
Where
could
this
go
with
respect
to
other
parts
of
the
city
yeah
they?
These
are
thinking
out
loud.
These
are
not
decisions.
It's
just
Concepts
that
are
brought
up
so
I
guess
my
advice
to
the
Planning
Commission.
Is
you
got
a
tough
one
here?
That
is
not
clear-cut
at
all
our
good
arguments,
both
ways,
Carlton?
What
you
said
made
a
lot
of
sense
as
well,
so
yeah
I'd,
say
to
the
to
the
Planning
Commission,
don't
rush
this
decision,
it's
it's
pretty
complex,.
A
H
N
N
A
H
A
K
I
H
Can
be
clear
about
the
expectations
the
chair
and
vice
chair
need
to
meet
with
staff
before
each
meeting,
that's
typically
on
a
Monday
or
Tuesday
midday.
Typically,
a
half
an
hour
meeting,
sometimes
less.
Where
we
go
over
the
agenda
items
and
address
any
concerns
you
may
have,
you
will
have
to
go
through
a
one-hour
training
prior
to
your
first
meeting.