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Salt Lake City Historic Landmarks Commission Meeting - 07/14/2022
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A
A
A
B
5
30.,
it's
the
14th
of
july
2022.
It's
time
to
start
the
historic
landmark
commission
meeting
this
evening.
Can
everyone
hear
me:
am
I
speaking
loud
enough
for
everyone
a
little
bit
louder
all
right,
so
I
I
will
try
to
put
on
my
non-church
voice
and
speak
loud
enough,
so
everyone
can
hear
me
this
evening.
We
have
two
hearings
this
evening,
two
issues
before
the
commission
this
evening.
We're
also
aware
that
there's
multiple
competing
events
elsewhere
that
some
of
us
would
like
to
be
involved
with.
B
A
B
E
B
G
G
Difficult
to
take
in
to
understand
the
displacement,
gentrification
that's
happening
in
our
city.
I
would
encourage
everybody
to
look
at
the
website.
It's
called
thriving
in
place
slc.org
and
you
will
scroll
down
kind
of
towards
the
section.
That's
called
dig
deeper
and
click
on
the
phase.
One
summary
report
you'll
be
able
to
see
all
the
data
analysis
in
that,
and
that's
all
I
have
to
report
this
evening.
Thank
you.
B
B
H
Good
evening,
thank
you,
mr
chair
members
of
the
commission.
This
is
a
request
for
new
construction
of
a
multi-family
development
in
the
central
city,
historic
district,
and
it
consists
primarily
of
a
249
unit
development
and
the
proposed
development
will
include
multiple
unit
types
consisting
of
studio,
one
two
and
three
bedroom
units
within
a
single
building
on
the
site.
The
building
is
proposed
to
be
approximately
eighty
feet
tall
at
its
highest
point.
H
H
D
H
H
This
is
the
office
building
the
mansion
that
I
was
referring
to
and
then
the
big
daddy's
pizza
and
then
here
is
a
rendering
of
how
this
whoops
of
how
this
will
look
once
built,
and
this
would
be
the
office
building
located
to
the
south.
So
this
building
wraps
around
that
there's
signific
significant
difference,
distance
between
the
new
construction
and
that
contributing
structure
to
the
historic
district.
H
H
H
The
second
key
consideration
that
we
outlined
in
the
staff
report
is
how
the
proposal
implements
city
goals
and
policies
identified
in
master
plans
and
how
it
is
in
compliance
with
the
zoning
requirements.
I
want
to
back
up
just
a
little
bit
too.
There
were
a
couple
other
aspects
of
this
project
that
were
can
that
were
done
at
an
administrative
level.
H
Score
sheet,
they
well
exceeded
the
points
necessary
for
an
administrative
approval
that
was
approved
at
a
staff
level,
and
they
also
submitted
an
application
for
the
demolition
of
non-contributing
structures,
which
include
the
modern
display,
building
and
associated
warehouses.
So
those
have
already
been
addressed
and
we're
here
tonight
to
talk
about
the
new
construction.
H
That
proposal
has
been
reviewed
in
terms
of
the
standards
that
are
applicable.
First
are
those
tsa
zoning
standards.
Those
are
outlined
in
attachment
d
in
your
staff
report,
as
well
as
design
standards
that
are
applicable
in
this
case
have
been
addressed,
as
well
as
the
new
construction
standards
and
the
multitude
of
design
guidelines,
all
86
of
them
for
multifamily
buildings
in
salt
lake
city.
H
I
had
received
a
couple
of
written
comments
regarding
this
proposal.
Those
were
included
in
your
staff
report.
I
received
one
this
afternoon
about
4
45
that
has
been
placed
in
your
dropbox
and
those
that's
the
extent
of
the
public
written
comment
that
I've
received
regarding
the
request
and
I
will
keep
it
short
and
sweet.
If
you
have
questions
of
me,
I'm
happy
to
try
to
address
those
for
you.
If
not
the
applicant
is
here
and
would
probably
answer
questions
even
better
than
I.
E
H
The
proposed
the
the
tallest
point
of
the
building
doesn't
exceed
80
feet.
They
can
get
an
extra.
I
think
it's
a
story
or
10
feet.
I
can't
remember
exactly
how
it's
put
in
the
in
the
code,
but
if
they
exceed
the
125
points
in
the
score
sheet,
which
they
they
well
do,
they
got
183
then
they're
eligible
for
that
additional
building
height.
That's
why
they
can
exceed
the
75
feet.
I
B
So
alex
I
had,
I
had
one
question
and
it
it
has
to
do
with.
I
think
it's
a
bit
out
of
our
purview
on
as
the
the
commission,
but
in
in
reviewing
the
plans
in
in
particular
drawing
part
one
was:
was
there
any
consideration
for
any
for
access
from
seventh
east
into
the
parking
garage
and
the
way
I
read
and
understand
the
plans
all
of
the
parking
is
coming
in
and
out
of
green
street
the
alley.
H
J
B
Okay,
I'll
start
again,
so
everyone
can
hear.
Is
this
better?
When
I
was
taking
a
look
at
the
plans
it
looked
like
there
were,
there
was
an
access
point
from
from
green.
There
was
also
an
access
point
from
7th
east,
but
it
was
it
looked
like
it
went
into
to
a
parking
garage
that
was
dedicated
for
visitors,
so
I
was
just
curious.
Was
there
any
consideration
for
for
access
into
the
parking
garage
for
the
residents
from
seventh
east
as
well.
H
B
Enough,
okay,
in
the
reading
of
the
plans
it
looked
like
there
was
a
gate
or
something
at
the
visitor
area.
If,
indeed
that
was
open,
then-
and
I
didn't
have
any
issues
because
it
looked
like-
then
residents
could
go
past.
The
visitor
staging
area
there
about
a
dozen
spaces
and
then
into
the
garage,
proper
yeah.
H
H
B
K
Yeah,
my
name
is
caleb
larson.
I
work
for
envision
architectural
group
we're
the
designer
on
the
project.
Also
here
tonight
is
gonzalo.
Kalkin
he's
also
a
design
team
member
and
the
property
owners
are
here
as
well
I'll
kind
of
go
through
some.
Some
points
that
you
know
were
major
points
in
our
design
and
I'll
also
clarify
that
access
question
as
well,
just
starting
in
part.
One.
K
K
Sorry
see
if
this
will
load,
so
you
know
our
first
point
is
you
know
the
project
we
wanted
to
design
something
that
supported
the
master
plan
for
the
area
as
well,
as
you
know,
meet
all
the
standards
in
the
historic
district,
as
was
stated
earlier,
we're
not
asking
for
any
sort
of
you
know,
exceptions
or
it's
our
position
that
the
project
has
designed
meets
the
standards
and
the
ordinances
and
is
respectful
to
the
character.
The
surrounding
developments,
as
you
can
see,
on
the
site
plan
here.
K
This
is
the
alta
survey
of
the
existing
fuller
avenue
that
was
discussed.
The
vehicular
access
points
were
a
big.
You
know
item
on
this
design.
There
are
multiple
curb
cuts
very
close
to
this
intersection.
That's
very
busy!
That's
a
you
know,
it's
a
big
intersection,
there's
like
eight
lanes
in
each
direction
so
and
as
part
of
the
design
guidelines
of
the
historic
district,
we
tried
to
consolidate
vehicular
accesses
where
they
made
sense
and
were
not
backing
backing
people
on
to
those
major
thoroughfares.
K
This
is
more
of
a
you
know.
Kind
of
a
setback
diagram,
but
you
can
see
here-
is
fuller,
avenue
and
there's
an
existing
cross-access
agreement
right
here,
which
we
have
preserved
and
used
as
kind
of
a
common
court
to
access
the
parking
stalls
here,
as
well
as
access
the
garage
I'm
going
to
open
up
part
two.
Hopefully
it
doesn't
take
as
long
to
load.
K
K
K
As
you
can
see
in
the
elevations
we've
used
brick
to
present
the
building
the
mass
you
know
in
scale
with
we
tried
to
scale
down
the
base
to
be
more
in
scale
with
the
neighboring
development,
as
you
can
see
in
these
drawings
they're,
not
very
big
on
the
screen,
but
as
it
relates
to
the
more
historic
properties
we've
we've
presented
a
base.
That's
you
know
a
three-story
brick
kind
of
more
in
scale,
with
a
smaller
commercial
building
that
that
is
common
in
the
historic
district
and
then
as
the
project.
K
As
you
move
farther
north
and
farther
in
toward
the
block.
We
we
gain
a
little
bit
more
height,
we've
chopped
off.
You
know
a
story
at
the
street
level
and
stepped
the
secondary
facades
back,
and
that's
also
demonstrated
in
the
section
views
that
you
guys
have
in
this
packet.
So
I
don't.
I
probably
don't
need
to
walk
you
through
every
sheet,
but
those
are
the
key
considerations
we
have
there
and
I
will
yeah
I'll
end
with
that
and
if.
M
A
And
the
existing
residences
there
I
know
we
had
a
comment,
a
public
comment
that
was
submitted
with
concerns
about
the
height
on
the
interior
there.
I
know
that
we're
not
here
to
to
make
those
types
of
decisions,
but
I
just
wonder
if
you
could
add
just
oh
sure,
talk
about
the
consideration
of
the
height
there
on
the
seventh
east
versus
green
street.
K
Sure-
and
we
did
review
that
comment-
we
appreciate
you
know
the
input
and
the
support,
for
you
know,
density
and
multi-family
in
this
area.
We
all
understand
it's
kind
of
needed.
The
decision
was
based
mainly
on
the
on
the
history
on
the
guidelines,
the
historic
district
guidelines
as
well.
As
you
know,
city
planning
documents
where
we're
trying
to
get
more
mid,
height
or
mid
block
has
a
little
bit
more
height
and,
as
you
know,
you
get
out
toward
those
major
thoroughfares
is
where
we've
we've
varied.
K
The
mass
more
and
broken
up
the
building
into
smaller.
So,
while
you're
driving
down
those
roads,
you're
not
seeing
a
giant
wall
of
buildings
and
the
other
point
to
make
is
the
facade
on
green
street
is
only
70
feet
wide
slightly
more.
That's
that's
facing
green
street
and
is
actually
only
overlaps,
the
town
homes
by
12
feet
or
so
at
this.
At
this
point,
that's
across
from
them
and
let's
see,
let
me
open
up
another
drawing
that
shows
that
a
little
more
clearly.
K
K
Oh,
you
know
you're
going
to
feel
that
undulation
and
and
the
change
in
plane
and
the
change
in
height
as
you're
on
that
corner,
which
is
going
to
be
the
busiest
intersection
and
where
people
are
going
to
experience
the
project.
The
most
we
are
sensitive
to
the
neighbors
on
the
west
and
don't
want
to
you,
know
tower
over
them,
but
where
it
isn't
allowed
height
and
there's
not
a
lot
of
historic
character
on
green
street,
especially
on
our
side.
That
was
kind
of
the
reason.
Reasoning
behind
getting
the
height
there.
F
F
F
K
K
Yeah,
so
we
did
break
up
the
mass
again.
You
know
this
is
presenting
a
smaller
base
and
then
we've
stepped
the
floors
back
and
our
one
story
fewer
than
is
allowed
and
is
planned
for
the
rest.
So
we
did
that.
You
know
that's
the
closest
we
get
to
the
other
historic
properties
and
we
wanted
to
kind
of
scale
that
massing
up
as
we
got
farther
away.
B
C
B
N
I
do
not
understand
why
this
very
substantial
project
involving
new
construction
with
complex
ingress,
egress,
a
budding
a
budding
two
historic
structures
and
near
a
third
on
the
same
block
face,
has
not
been
scheduled
for
a
work
session
with
the
commission.
You
held
work
sessions
for
projects
of
such
scale
for
trolley
square
ventures,
the
masonic
temple
apartments
and
western
gardens
in
the
same
historic
districts.
N
Parcels
which
are
part
of
this
project
abut
the
former
every
blooming
thing
building
and
the
macarthur
house.
Only
the
macarthur
house
is
identified
as
contributory
in
the
staff
report.
There
are
no
renderings
in
the
staff
report,
which
show
the
relationship
between
the
new
construction
and
the
three
historic
structures
on
700
east.
Two
of
them
are
budding
this
project.
You
have
received
visual
information,
which
was
far
superior
for
single
family
infill
houses
in
other
historic
districts.
N
Additionally,
the
project
by
cowboy
partners
at
liberty
square
was
very
carefully
crafted
with
numerous
revisions
and
reduction
in
the
scale,
in
addition
to
the
adaptive
reuse
of
the
mid-century
inside
floral
building
on
600
east,
the
circulation
effect
issues
affecting
liberty,
square
apartments
are
significant,
as
indicated
by
the
comments
from
cowboy
partners
and
the
city's
own
transportation
division.
I
am
asking
you
to
table
this
proposal
until
the
applicant
provides
renderings
consistent
with
the
ones
you
have
received
for
other
projects
involving
new
construction.
N
If
you
visited
the
site,
you
know
that
the
circulation
is
torturous
and
while
transportation
is
not
typically,
the
focus
of
this
commission
proceeding
without
a
more
adequate
plan
with
the
upcoming
altoterra
project
at
the
xerox
building
will,
in
my
opinion,
degrade
the
existing
historic
resources
and
the
carefully
crafted
infill
project
and
adaptive
reuse
at
liberty
square.
Thank
you
very
much.
I
I
I
Landmark
committee:
okay,
perfect,
okay.
First
I'm
going
to
talk
in
support
of
the
project
and
then
I'm
going
to
talk
in
opposition
to
the
project,
because
the
conditions
changed
initially
the
right
development
company
wanted
to
purchase
our
property,
and
it
was
going
to
be
part
of
this.
So
if
you
can
remember
the
little
there's
a
little
building
just
to
the
south
of
there,
that
was
going
to
be
part
of
this
project.
I
I
wasn't
aware
that
we
had
that
that
we
were
that,
but
that
precluded
that
ended
the
sale
of
the
building
because
they
didn't
want
to
pursue
it
here
with
you
now.
Here's
where
my
other
hat
for
super
opposition
comes
into
it.
You've
been
you've
been
talked
about.
How
there's
ingress
from
you
can
come
in
from
green
street.
You
can
come
in
from
from
7th,
but
you
can't
pass
through
that,
whatever
you
want
to
call
it,
my
attorneys
told
me
after
10
years
it's
called
a.
I
What
do
you
call
it
public
access
after
20
years,
it's
a
prescriptive
access
and
that
access
has
been
open
since
1961
when
the
macarthur
house
was
built,
so
that
has
been
open
a
long
time.
It's
been
a
thoroughfare
for
not
just
us,
but
the
neighbors
all
around
our
tenants,
our
customers
and
clients,
as
well
as
the
community
at
large
use.
Fuller
avenue
and
fuller
avenue
is
not
a
city
street.
I
Our
investment
in
our
property
will
be
directly
impacted
because
of
the
access
to
to
additional
needed
parking
via
fuller
avenue.
We
have
very,
very
limited
parking
at
macarthur
house
and,
if
you've
been
there,
ms
deluca
mr
delay
you're
aware
of
the
parking
problem.
That's
there.
Hence
people
park
over
near
trader
joe's
on
green
street
wherever
they
can
find
a
parking
place,
and
then
they
walk
over
through
the
access
on
fuller
street.
Closing
that
would
be
a
severe
hardship
not
only
on
us
financially,
but
on
all
of
our
tenants.
I
I
I
Oh,
it's
in
this
one:
salt
lake
county,
not
the
excuse
me,
salt
lake,
county
corporation
planning
division
and
it
was
commissioned
to
the
certus
environmental
solutions
company
and
they
made
some
propos,
made
some
recommendations
to
the
historic
landmark
society.
I'm
going
to
go
through
just
a
few
of
those
very
quickly
on
page
number,.
I
I
believe
the
things
that
I
have
to
say
are
significant.
Can
my
wife
speak
now?
Okay,
can
I
have
her
time?
Okay,
they
give
me
your
time
all
right.
I
just
just
going
back
to
this
document
that
was
commissioned
by
the
planning
commission
and
given
to
the
historic
landmark
council.
These
are
just
a
few
of
the
recommendations
that
they
made
on
page
11.
It
says
zoning
ordinance
changes
open
the
door
for
inc
again.
I
This
is
talking
about
the
whole
district
from
nearly
south
temple
to
ninth
south
and
seventh
east
to
fifties
and
how
kind
of
the
midsection
from
third
south
to
fifth
south
has
really
degraded
with
as
far
as
a
historical
landmark
place.
It's
just
so
many
modern
buildings
have
been
built
that
it's
really
kind
of
lost
its
historical
significance,
not
that
there
aren't
significant
buildings.
I
Zoning
ordinance
changes
open
the
door
for
increased
commercial
development
in
the
central
portion
of
the
neighborhood,
particularly
in
the
area
between
second
south
and
fifth
south
page
number,
12.
commercial
development.
During
this
period,
1996-2013
has
been
most
active
in
the
area
between
third
south
and
fifth
south,
creating
two
distinct
historical
residential
areas
separated
by
modern
commercial
district,
page
27.,
when
the
local
historical
district,
as
is
examined
as
a
whole.
The
central
portion
of
the
district
between
third
south
and
fifth
south
has
been
substantially
compromised
by
the
intrusion
of
modern,
commercial
and
multi-family
residential
development.
I
The
intrusion
is
so
substantial
as
to
it
effectively
create
two
separate
historical
sites:
north
central
city
and
south
central
city,
historical
sites,
aside
from
the
landscape
median
on
sixth
east,
which
everybody
is
aware
of
the
big
about
10
yards
wide.
Aside
from
that,
there
is
very
little
visual
tie
very
little
visually
tying.
These
two
areas
together
as
a
single
historical
landmark,
let
alone
a
cohesive
district,
and
this
is
right
verbatim
out
of
that
document.
I
And
finally,
on
page
30,
it
gives
its
recommendations
which
you
received,
based
on
the
integrity
of
the
local
historical
district
and
interactions
with
the
district
residents
certis
with
the
company
that
who
performed
the
rls,
recommends
several
actions
amend
the
boundary
of
the
local
historic
district.
That's
the
first
one
and
that's
the
one
I'm
going
to
address,
amend
the
local
district
boundary.
The
boundary
of
the
local
historical
district
should
be
adjusted
in
one
of
two
ways:
either
to
create
a
single
district
with
one
a
certain.
G
I
Okay,
finally,
this
is
the
final
sentence
that
says
the
local
historic
district
boundary
could
be
adjusted
to
exclude
the
central
area,
I.e
the
area
between
third
south
and
fifth
south
that
that
could
be
absolutely
excluded.
As
part
of
this
historic
district,
I'm
not
asking
for
that.
I'm
simply
asking
for
one
of
two
things:
either
you
can
change
the
designation
of
our
building
from
historically
significant
to
historically
insignificant.
Then
they
can
go
ahead
and
build
their
project
the
way
it
was
planned
originally
or
I
have
to
go
ahead
and
seek
out.
I
We've
already
started
a
lawsuit
against
the
developers
to
maintain
that
access,
open,
the
prescriptive
public
access
and
there's
a
mitigation
or
arbitration
coming
up
in
august,
so
either
way
I
hate
to
be
suing
people.
Thank
you
very
much
appreciate
your
time
and
your
patience
and
talking
with
me,
I.
D
I
L
J
L
Owned
the
property
of
about
seven
years
or
actually,
nine
years
as
the
developers
said
that
they
are
being
sensitive
to
the
neighbors
on
the
west.
I
don't
believe
that
they
are
being
sensitive
to
the
property
owners
to
the
south
traffic
coming
out
of
just
7th
east
and
only
out
on
7th
east
or
green
street
will
make
it
difficult
for
actually
not
my
neighbor,
but
for
us
and
our
employees
to
leave
our
business
at
high
traffic
times
with
the
sidewalk.
L
We
are
concerned
about
the
development
going
through
with
our
neighbor,
the
macarthur
house,
because
of
when
it
was
built.
We
are.
We
feel
that
there
was
damage
done
to
our
building
that
has
been
rectified
by
the
previous
owners
and
feel
that
as
the
development
takes
place,
we
want
them
to
be
sensitive
to
our
structure
and
not
cause
damage
to
that
structure.
That
modern
display
surrounds
our
whole
building
and
it
is
1890,
and
this
is
a
historic
district
area.
L
I
also
want
to
say
that
just
south
of
us,
the
pizza
place,
is
scheduled
to
be
torn
down,
so
we
will
be
surrounded
by
this
wall
along
7th
east
without
any
respect
to
the
historic
district
by
the
developer,
and
we
are
trying
to
update
our
building
and
keep
it
sound
structurally
sound.
Even
though
it's
there's
decay
and
issues
with
the
building,
we
are
trying
to
keep
it
there
and
be
a
pleasant
sight
for
the
community
and
green
space
that
is
in
front
of
the
building
that
many
animals
like
to
smell
around
on.
P
My
name
is
danelle
murdock,
again
the
property
owner
of
the
mansion,
my
biggest
concern
that
we
see
well.
First
of
all,
we've
lost
every
view
that
this
house
has
had.
We
have
no
view
of
the
mountains.
Looking
east,
we
have
no
view
of
the
mountains
looking
west,
we
will
now
have
no
view
looking
north,
which
we
have
not
had,
and
we
will
have
no
view
south.
We
will
be
in
a
concrete
jungle
seriously,
which
is
sad
because
this
house
was
built
and
had
incredible
views.
P
It
was
a
it
was
a
matriarch
of
the
street
and
it
continues
to
be
that
and
it's
the
sole
home
on
the
4th
south
street
only
and
we've
chosen
to
preserve
it.
We've
put
a
fortune
into
it.
It's
incredible
inside,
come
on
by
my
biggest
concern
is
traffic.
I
drive
in
northbound
on
7th
east
every
morning.
I
take
a
u-turn
to
get
into
my
driveway,
so
I
come
around.
P
You
turn
off
a
fourth
and
in
I
almost
get
hit
five
times
out
of
ten,
and
I
have
to
honk
my
horn
and
pray.
I
don't
get
nailed
my
biggest
concern
past.
All
of
this
is
that
the
city
put
in
a
no
turn
on
right,
going
southbound
on
seventh
east.
If
you
are
going
to
bring
4
000
people
onto
this
block,
which
is
the
proposed
plan.
P
P
B
B
M
M
M
It
sounds
like
there's
a
couple
of
issues
that
have
been
mentioned
by
the
the
other
public
commenters
here
that
could
be
just
solved
by
the
retaining
of
fuller
avenue.
Fuller
avenue
right
now
comes
in
off
of
700
east.
It
has
access
to
both
levels
of
the
parking
garage.
The
plans,
as
I
understand
them,
it
doesn't
sound
like
there
is
a
connection
between
the
levels,
so
they
are
disconnected,
there's
no
internal
ramping,
so
two-thirds
of
that
parking
is
going
to
have
to
come
all
the
way
around.
M
The
the
block
onto
green
street.
Hundreds
of
cars
past
green
street
green
street
is
32
feet.
Wide
often
has
people
parking
and
stopped.
There's
a
fire
lane,
that's
right
up
against
the
edge
where
that
gate
is,
and
there
is
a
truck
at
trader
joe's
twice
a
day
for
several
hours
that
loads
and
constricts
that
street.
M
If
we
keep
fuller
avenue,
you
can
get
access
to
both
levels
of
that
parking
off
of
fuller
avenue
that
the
property
has
an
easement
over
some
of
the
macarthur
house's
site.
So
that's
actually
how
fuller
avenue
gets
all
the
way
back
there
and
macarthur
house
could
keep
their
access
through
to
trader
joe's
through
to
the
interior
of
the
block,
which
I
really
understand
is
the
the
the
city's
main
intent
with
mid-block
walkways
and
mid-block
streets
is
to
retain
as
much
access
and
and
travel
in
circulation
through
these
blocks.
M
B
D
H
H
G
H
G
I'll,
just
chime
in
and
say
that,
with
the
2012
and
2013
rls
update,
the
period
of
significance
was
altered
to
include
mid-century
modern
buildings
within
the
central
city,
historic
district,
and
so
the
macarthur
then
became
eligible
contributing
with
that
period
of
significance.
Alteration
in
2012.
D
G
G
J
J
B
K
K
Where
you
know
we
we
gave
this
facade
and
this
other
side
some
of
the
very
similar
you
know,
mid-century
modern,
vertical
emphasis
details
and
even
the
coloring
of
the
fiber
cement
panel
mirrors,
that
of
the
macarthur
house,
to
kind
of
have
some
sort
of
relationship
and
then,
in
terms
of
property
lines
to
the
adjacent
properties.
As
you
can
see,
we
have
moved
our
building
actually
farther
away
in
all
cases
than
the
existing
building
in
in
in
the
case
of
modern
display.
K
Our
new
building
footprint
is
about
12
feet
back
and
then
the
warehouse
building,
almost
all
the
way
around
we've
moved
it
15
feet
farther.
Yours
is
the
blue
line,
correct,
okay,
there's
there's
another
one
that
may
be
clearer,
but
this
one
well.
No,
it's
not
going
to
be
this.
One
shows
you
the
existing.
You
know
this
warehouse
is
built
right
on
the
property
line,
so
that
white
you
know
roof,
that's
the
the
roof
of
the
warehouse
and
it's
sitting.
K
K
Correct
so
this
would
become
there's
a
cross-access
agreement
between
these
two
properties
that
straddles
this
property
line
and
we
would
use
that
they
would
access
their
property.
We
would
provide
this
as
a
you
know:
a
city
required
24
foot,
one
drive
aisle,
so
everyone
can
pull
in
and
out
of
these
stalls
and
then
access
the
garage
entry.
So
you
know
so.
C
K
F
K
That
would
be
the
probably
the
leasing
office,
which
is
this
southeast
corner,
which
is
by
the
you
know
the
the
public.
The
visitor
parking
is
here.
So
let
me
I
gotta
go
one
more
set.
Sorry
these
files
were
so
big.
I
had
to
separate
it
into
a
bunch
of
parts,
so
the
leasing
office
would
take
place
here,
not
that
it
would
get
the
most
traffic.
K
I
mean
there
are
people
that
go
in
and
out
of
leasing
offices,
but
as
far
as
pedestrian
and
the
most
public
part
of
the
building,
which
is
going
to
be
the
lobby
and
leasing
area.
That's
in
this
southeast
corner,
just
it's
farther
away
from
the
gas
station
and
more
mid
block
and
trying
to
get
a
little
more
activation.
C
D
K
We
have,
we
have
received
comments
from
engineering
and
traffic,
nothing
related
to
like
volume
of
traffic
we've
to
major
intersections.
We
talked
to
you
know
the
parking
michael
berrien
transportation
did.
You
know
have
a
comment
that
we
needed
to
resolve
this
area
so
that
people
could
come
in
and
out
instead
of
having
it
just
be
a
one-way,
because
right
now
with
the
angled
parking
they
need
to
back
out
and
go
through,
which
are
you
know.
Our
proposal
resolves
that
with
a
two-way
access
here.
B
B
M
M
J
To
halt
these
proceedings-
and
you
know
at
this
point-
we
have
to
to
proceed
as
if
what
we
see
on
the
county
records
is
correct.
I
know
that
there
was
one
portion
of
fuller
avenue
that
recently
was
the
subject
of
a
quiet
title
action
where
the
court
did
determine
that
the
applicant
owns
that
section
of
fuller
there's
another
section.
This
is
broken
into
like
three
parts.
There's
another
section
that
per
the
property
records
appears
to
be
owned
by
the
applicant
and
then
a
third
section
that
appears
to
be
owned
by
an
adjacent
property
owner.
J
B
Very
good
and
then
the
last
thing
in
lux
when
I
was
reviewing
everything
the
only
there
was
only
two
issues
that
were
subject
to
further
discussion,
and
that
was
future
lighting.
It
was
to
be
worked
out
in
future.
Landscaping
was
to
be
worked
out.
So
in
my
review
of
everything
concerning
the
design
standards,
everything
was
was
checked
off
as
complies
correct.
Okay,
all
right
commissioners,
discussion.
F
F
I
didn't
know
if
that
could
be
conditioned,
since
some
of
the
balconies
are
going
to
have
glass,
railings
and
the
glass
on
the
rooftop
potential,
for
maybe
personal
mechanical
equipment
being
displayed
from
that
from
7th.
So
I
just
wanted
to
maybe
ask
about
those
conditions
being
met
fully
or
if
that
was
addressed
with
the
applicant.
H
F
A
H
Yeah,
the
magnitude
of
a
project
does
not
determine
whether
or
not
we
schedule
a
work
session
with
you.
So
yes,
this
is
a
big
project
that
doesn't
mean
we
schedule
a
work
session
with
you.
We
schedule
work
sessions
with
you
when
we
as
staff
get
to
a
point
with
an
applicant
that
we
are
not
seeing
eye
to
eye
and
we
want
you
to
weigh
in
on
their
design
or
whatever
it
is
that
is
before
us.
H
So
if
there
were
issues
with
this
that
I
as
the
planner
reviewing
this
and
the
applicant,
could
not
see
eye
to
eye
on,
and
it
was
something
that
we
were
in
a
position
that
we
thought
we
couldn't
support
it.
We
would
probably
schedule
this
for
a
work
session.
That
is
not
the
case
here.
You
know
we
have
reviewed
this
and
they
clearly
meet
standard.
G
H
B
C
C
That
is
clearly
the
applicant
owns
a
chunk
of
fuller
and
whether
or
not
there's
a
prescriptive
right
of
access
is
not
for
us
to
decide,
as
paul
has
said,
that
will
play
itself
out
another
in
other
arenas.
So
we,
I
think
we
have
to
just
set
that
aside
and
judge
this
on
its
design,
merit
and
its
appropriateness,
and
I
think
they've
done
a
fine
job
in
what
they've,
designed
and
proposed
to
put
there.
C
D
I
would
agree
100
with
kenton.
I
abhor
this
traffic
issue,
that's
going
to
turn
into
chick-fil-a
and
sugar
house,
I'm
serious.
That
is
an
incredibly
I
mean
the
the
count
of
cars
that
go
through
that
intersection
and
the
craziness
that's
around
there
is.
This
is
just
ridiculous,
but
it's
not
in
our
purview,
as
kenton
said
for
us
to
do
anything
about
that.
So
does
it
tick
off
everything
else,
sure
it's
just
another
box
of
houses.
E
E
The
historic
street
pattern
as
the
unifying
framework
for
a
varied
range
of
lot
sizes
and
buildings
should
be
preserved
and
reinforced,
retain
historic
alignments
and
widths,
wherever
possible,
plan
the
site
to
avoid
adversely
affecting
the
historic
integrity
of
this
pattern.
And
then
12.3
is
the
bigger
one.
E
C
B
I'm
I'm
gonna,
I'm
gonna
round
out
what
what
kenton
was
was
saying
earlier
and
I
started
this
discussion.
I
had
had
a
discussion
with
with
staff
actually
with
with
the
director
prior
to
this
evening,
and
it
had
to
do
with
with
the
fact
that
is
this
in
our
purview
or
is
it
not
except
for
what?
What
was
just
read?
What
I
was
instructed
was.
B
It
was
not
in
our
purview
reading
through
the
staff
report.
There
was
nothing
that
indicated
that,
except
what
was
just
read
and
that
has
to
do
with
the
contributing
character
of
accessory
streets
and
and
alleyways.
So
at
this
point,
I'm
gonna,
I'm
gonna
open
this
for
emotion
from
the
commissioners.
C
C
B
A
A
A
However,
what
john
raises
the
the
the
interior
character
of
the
block
in
the
existing
traffic
patterns,
in
addition
to
recognizing
the
potential
hellacious
traffic
congestion
and
safety
issues
that
traffic
congestion
brings?
I
I'm
very
hesitant,
I'm
very
hesitant
about
approving
it
without
more
discussion
on
those
issues.
D
D
B
B
F
C
B
A
C
J
C
E
Yeah
I
mean,
I
think
the
staff
report
is
great.
I
just
want
to
start
by
saying
that
I
always
appreciate
how
thorough
the
staff
is
in
the
report.
I
just
I
disagree
that
that
the
block
pattern
standard
is
being
met
in
this
proposal.
I
don't
think
it's
being
met
by
the
letter
or
the
spirit
of
of
the
ordinance,
so.
E
And
you
know,
you've
got
a
lot
of
concerned
people
who
are
stakeholders
in
the
historic
district
who
are
saying
this.
Isn't
this
isn't
right
and
I
tend
to
agree
it's
it's
a
big
building
and
it
cuts
off
any
access,
east-west
through
the
block.
So
if,
if
you're,
you
know,
if
you're
in
the
corner
near
gilgal
gardens-
and
you
want
to
go
to
trader
joe's
now,
you
got
to
walk
all
the
way
around
a
big
residential
building
and
it
just
seems,
did
you
know.
E
F
So,
but
so
I
I
voted
yes
because
I
agree
fully
with
amanda
like
exactly
what
you
say,
I
think
staff
has
done
a
great
job
of
showing
how
it
meets
the
standards,
and
I
think
that
it
is
a
successful
structure.
However,
is
you
know
we
should
be
questioning
the
standard
that
john
brought
into
place?
However,
if
we
are
looking
at
the
alleyway,
I
think
it
would
be
helpful,
as
kenton
said,
to
have
more
information
on
maybe
when
the
alleyway
went
in.
However,
isn't
this
currently
posted
as
not
an
allowed
access
point?
F
Would
that
still
aid
in
the
porousness
of
the
block
that
that
guideline
is
trying
to
hit?
Will
people
still
be?
Will
the
public
still
be
able
to
access
that?
Will
that
be
able
to
help
what
we
are
flagging
as
something
that
would
be
an
issue?
So
maybe
then
that's
the
case
where
we
get
more
additional
information
and
we
sort
of
bring
this
back
next
month.
B
B
So
whether
it
is
it
is,
as
we
think,
or
as
it
has
been
stated,
that
hasn't
been
determined
and
that's
really
not
not
for
us
to
to
say
yay
or
nay
to
we
can
agree
or
disagree
with
it,
but
that's
really
not
in
our
purview.
What
is
in
our
purview
is
what's
in
front
of
us
and
what
has-
and
I
agree
with
you-
that
staff
has
done
a
very
good
job
with,
with
with
this
report,
we
can
only
judge-
or
we
can
only
vote
on
on
the
validity
of
that
report.
That's
been
done.
B
B
L
B
J
Right,
mr
mr
chair,
if
I
can
just
wait
in
for
a
second
correct,
the
the
the
presumption
is
with
respect
to
the
access.
The
presumption
is
that
this
is
private
property,
that
at
this
moment,
the
property
owner
could
fence
off
or
build
a
structure
on
there
right
now,
provided
that
it
met
all
of
the
other
requirements.
J
So
I
appreciate
what
commissioner
ewen
ouske
brought
up
about
historic
patterns
of
circulation.
What
not,
but
the
fact
is,
is
generally
private
streets
more
often
than
not.
What
I
see
in
salt
lake
city
with
private
streets
is
that
those
are
those
are
rights
of
way
that
many
people
have
explicit
access
rights
to,
and
I
don't
know
if
maybe
we
were
thinking
of
the
the
general
notion
here.
J
So
it's
something
certainly
to
consider
that
they,
the
the
the
rights,
are
presumed,
and
I
don't
know
if
the
in
the
litigation
that
recently
concluded
on
the
quiet
title
to
the
western
portion
of
fuller
if
the
adjacent
property
owners
were
notified
of
that.
But
that's
fresh,
I
mean
I
think
that
was
that
that's
within
the
last
four
or
five
months
that
the
court
determined
in
that
quiet,
title
action
that
the
applicant
owns
that
section
of
fuller.
J
So
I
I
think
that
we
need
to
be
careful
when
it
comes
to
property
rights.
In
saying
that
we
we
somehow
need
to
respect
a
thoroughfare
there
when
the
courts
haven't
told
us
yet
that
that
we
need
to
and
the
the
parties
who
have
brought
the
litigation
are
certainly
within
the
rights
to
ask
the
court
for
a
temporary
restraining
order
which,
to
my
knowledge,
has
not
happened.
Yet
here
we.
B
D
B
B
J
G
Q
Q
Q
Q
Q
Q
Q
Yeah,
so
a
portion
of
the
fence
was
already
constructed
and
there
was
no
permit
pulled.
So
there
was
a
stop
work
order
placed
on
the
property
and
there
was
there
was
no
certificate
of
appropriateness
either.
So
the
applicant
has
been
working
with
planning
staff
and
since
the
proposal
did
not
meet
the
standards,
staff
cannot
approve
it
administratively.
So
it's
being
referred
to
the
historic
landmark
commission
for
a
determination.
O
F
O
Live
at
665,
south
600
east
and
I
do
appreciate
you
allowing
me
to
come
and
speak
to
you
today,
and
this
is
my
statement.
If
you
go
to
slide
number
two
in
the
early
2000s,
I
had
the
opportunity
to
live
on
600
east
and
I
fell
in
love
with
the
neighborhood.
It
was
a
time
when
people
were
investing
in
homes
that
had
been
multi-family
and
returning
them
to
single
family,
and
that
was
a
fun
time
for
me
to
live
there.
O
When
it
was
time
for
my
final
walk
through,
it
was
the
day
of
the
earthquake,
and
so
I
was
pretty
scared,
because
two
structural
engineers
had
told
me
that
this
house
would
probably
not
survive
a
major
earthquake
and
luckily
there
was
so
minimal
damage.
You
know
the
trim
kind
of
pulled
away,
but
so
I
forged
ahead
and
if
you
look
at
the
next
slide,
that
one
you're
on
the
right
one
go
back
one
as
I
was
moving
into
my
apartment,
bringing
my
items
over
over
a
period
of
time.
O
I
was
absolutely
dismayed
to
to
show
up
at
my
house
and
find
that
I
had
been
robbed
that
they
had
broken
in
and
stolen
more
than
five
thousand
dollars
worth
of
personal
items.
Most
of
those
items
were
compensated
by
the
insurance
company,
but
there
were
some
sentimental
items
and
that
could
not
be
replaced,
and
you
know
to
add
insult
to
injury.
I
had
an
18
pack
of
toilet
paper
that
was
stolen
from
me
when
you
couldn't
buy
toilet
paper,
so
that
really
upset
me.
O
O
Minutes
please,
okay.
This
brings
us
back
to
the
the
fence
and
what
I
did
was
take
great
care.
I
didn't
realize
that
I
needed
a
permit.
I
would
have
certainly
done
that
I've
put
in
fences
in
other
places
and
and
never
had
one
so
apologies
for
that.
But
what
I
did
was
take
great
care
to
go
out
and
replicate
the
style
of
fence
that
was
already
there,
the
picket
fence,
the
trellis,
the
things
that
added
character
to
the
home.
That
made
it
look
so
cute
because
it's
not
a
victorian.
O
If
you
go
to
the
next
slide,
you'll
note
that
just
four
structures
up
at
I
believe
at
633,
south
600
east
there
is
a
vinyl
fence,
so
I
would
have
had
no
reason
to
know
that
you
couldn't
have
a
vinyl
fence
on
my
street
also.
I
just
want
to
note
if
you'll
go
to
the
final
slides,
I
absolutely
respect
the
historic
district
and
I
want
to
make
my
house
look
adorable.
I
want
a
fence
that
is
durable
and
strong
and
keeps
my
property
safe.
I've
had
items
stolen
from
my
front
yard.
O
I've
spent
thirty
two
hundred
dollars
on
fence
materials.
I've
spent
twelve
hundred
dollars
on
labor,
and
I
know
that
once
this
fence
is
done,
people
will
say
what
a
cute
final
or
what
a
cute
picket
fence
in
front
of
this
cute
house
during
the
central
city,
historic
tour.
So
many
people
stopped
by,
as
I
was
out
taking
care
of
my
plants
and
flowers
and
told
me
what
a
beautiful
fence
I
was
installing
and
how
well
it
complemented
my
home.
O
I
am
concerned,
you
know
about
the
focus
in
this
neighborhood,
where
we
want
people
to
purchase
these
homes.
Stay
in
these
homes,
invest
in
these
homes
and
do
the
things
that
make
them
feel
safe
and
not
have
to
repaint
a
fence
every
year
and
have
it
raw
and
go
into
disrepair
as
it
was
when
I
moved
in
these
lower
two
pictures
are
the
two
homeless
people
that
camped
out
in
front
of
my
house
just
this
summer
and
of
course,
that's
six,
south
and
sixth
east.
O
I
had
a
man
walk
between
our
buildings
and
pee
on
the
house.
I
caught
that
on
my
ring
camera,
the
neighborhood's
not
the
same,
and
I
I
just
I
really
wanted
to
and
finish
my
investment
and
and
have
my
home
look
nice
and
keep
the
materials
that
I
that
I
was
installing,
because
I
do
think
they
look
very
nice
and
complement
the
home.
O
Thing
I'll
quickly
say:
if
I
have
time
I
had
read
this
this
code,
which
is
utah:
zero,
zero,
zero,
six,
six,
three,
seven,
nine
jd,
twenty
one,
a
dot,
dot
dot.
It
says:
landscape
structures
such
as
arbors
walls,
fences
should
address
the
public
in
a
manner
that
reflects
the
character
and
of
the
historic
context
and
the
block
face,
and
I
think
my
fence
does
that.
O
I
hired
a
gentleman
who
does
fencing
to
who
a
disabled
gentleman
that
I
was
you
know
trying
to
employ
and
we
followed
the
guidelines
the
30
inch
to
get
below
the
frost
depth
I've
put
in
fences
before
so
I
know
what
makes
the
fence
structurally
sound.
I
didn't
realize
I
needed
a
permit.
Sorry
about
my
other
things,
the
tree.
Yes,
I
contracted
the
footing
and
foundation
beams.
I
contracted
very.
D
O
D
O
B
N
I'm
going
to
start
with
the
end
remark
in
case
I
run
out
of
time.
I
did
ask
the
planner
to
send
you
my
comments
earlier
today.
I've
done
an
inventory
of
your
enforcement
cases
this
year,
which
proved
to
be
very
interesting.
I
didn't
do
them
for
the
purposes
of
this
hearing,
but
for
another
issue,
but
it
was
interesting
to
see
what
deed
restrictions
accomplish,
which
is
not
very
much
so
there's
an
alternative
type
of
durable,
man-made
fencing
that
the
commission
has
approved,
which
has
not
been
discussed
here.
N
It
was
approved
on
state
street
about
halfway
up
on
the
west
side
on
a
tudor
duplex.
It
is
holding
up
remarkably
well
and
it
looks
really
good.
It
doesn't
have
the
shiny
effect
of
this
type
of
vinyl
fencing
and
it
was
probably
before
any
of
you
served
on
the
commission.
It
was
quite
some
time
ago,
but
I
get
to
visit
it
and
see
how
well
it's
holding
up
frequently,
because
it's
very
prominent
on
the
streetscape
on
the
capitol
hill,
historic
district.
N
So
I
appreciate
that
these
cases
are
very
difficult
for
the
commission,
but
the
central
city
district
has
been
in
place
for
31
years
now,
and
a
permit
is
required
for
fencing
independent
of
the
status
in
the
historic
district.
So
there
are
two
missing
steps
here:
the
permit
for
the
fencing
and
the
certificate
of
appropriateness.
N
I'm
I'm
troubled
by
the
argument
about
security
because
obviously
the
site
has
had
the
work
stopped
since
november
and
I
do
have
property
on
the
next
block
and
you
you
do
have
to
take
steps
regarding
securing
your
property
here,
but
the
most
important
one
is
vigilance
and
have
a
presence
on
the
block.
So
I
think
a
break-in
while
the
owner
was
moving
is
not
relevant
here.
R
My
name's
robert
torres-
I
actually
am
the
neighbor
that
lives
across
the
street
from
her,
so
I'm
the
uptight,
neighbor,
where,
if
I
think
somebody's
infringing
on
another
neighbor
I'll
comfortably,
have
a
chat
with
them.
We
all
live
in
that
community
because
we
love
the
area.
We
love
the
historical
significance,
but
we're
all,
of
course
doing
what
we
can.
R
I
kind
of
find
it
interesting
at
a
time
like
this,
when
salt
lake
is
becoming
more
and
more
concerned
about
affordable
housing,
while
at
the
same
time
making
it
incredibly
difficult
at
times
and
expensive
to
keep
our
homes
up
to
the
standard
that
we're
trying
to
as
carrie
just
mentioned,
she's
put
a
lot
of
her
heart
and
soul
into
that
home.
We
needed
her
there
we
needed
her
intimate
interest
that
she
has
in
the
well-being
of
that
home.
R
R
R
That
ship
is
sailed
when
it
comes
to
vinyl,
we
have
vinyl
siding.
We
have
vinyl
windows,
that's
over
right.
I
we
would
all
love
to
be
particular,
but
we're
dealing
with
funding
and
and
funding
limitations
on
what
we
can
do
with
with
our
homes
so
again
nitpicking
the
enforcement
of
of
a
law.
This
finite
seems
more
like
being
antagonistic
than
helpful
to
the
community.
We
need
her
fence,
we
need
her
look
looked
after.
It
is
not
just
an
arbitrary
concern
and
it
is
definitely
more
beautiful
than
what
was
there.
So
thank.
B
J
C
C
C
D
D
B
For
a
discussion
from
the
the
commissioners
I'll
start
off
by
saying
by
couching
it
the
first
question
that
I
asked
brooke
what's
what's
in
front
of
us
and
you
know,
regardless
of
how
we
feel
what
we're
supposed
to
be
enforcing
are.
Does
this
meet
the
requirements
of
either
wire
wire,
wrought
iron
or
or
wood
fencing?
B
D
D
This
has
been
on
the
books
forever
everybody's
aware
it's
in
a
historic
district,
and
these
are
materials
we
are
trying
to
preserve
these
precious
properties
and
vinyl
is
not
something
that
we
allow
and
sorry
about
the
expense,
but
it's
this
is
what
is
allowed,
and
this
is
what
helps
keep
it
historic.
So
it's
cut
and
dry
to
me.
F
Yeah,
I
second
what
babs
has
said.
I
appreciate
the
homeowner's
willingness
and
desire
to
restore
the
home
and
I
understand
the
materials
have
been
bought,
but
the
code
is
clear
that
vinyl
is
inappropriate
and
I
think
we
should,
as
a
commission,
be
upholding
that
and
honoring
staff's
recommendations,
since
it
is
so
clear
that
vinyl
is
inappropriate.
A
I
I
agree
with
what
your
what
has
been
said
regarding
the
vinyl,
I'm
curious
about
the
alternative
material
that
was
referenced
used
in
the
capitol
hill
district
area,
and
it
reminds
me
of
one
of
the
first
commission
meetings.
I
listened
to
where
there
was
discussion
about
rooftop
material,
and
there
was
a
I
gosh,
I
hate
to
say
it
might
have
been
a
tesla
roof,
but
it
was
the
it
was
the
solar
panels
correct.
There
was,
it
was.
F
A
A
It
seemed
to
to
blend
with
with
age
into
the
neighborhood
and
the
materials
being
used,
and
yet
it's
a
brand
new
material
that
hasn't
that
wasn't
previously
considered.
So
I'm
wondering
if
there
could
be
a
material
out
there.
That's
equally
durable
to
the
vinyl
and
moving
forward.
Perhaps
there's
some
room
for
a
different
material.
F
Yeah
yeah,
we
approved
that,
on
the
basis
of
we
would
see
what
that
would
look
like
once
it
went
in
and
then
kind
of
craft
our
further
future
determinations
based
off
of
it.
So
yeah,
I'm
glad
that
cindy
brought
up
an
alternative
material
since
we
are
sort
of
the
codes
limiting
the
wood
versus
the
cast
iron.
But
I
think
if
we
were
to
see
that
proposal,
or
maybe
that's
something
that
staff
could
look
for
code
just
looking
forward
to
that,
but
agreed
yeah,
we're
not
seeing
that
right.
Now
we're
seeing
the
vinyl.
G
C
Bit
of
information
was
presented,
and
that
is
that
in
any
district,
not
just
in
historic
district,
a
building
permit
is
required
to
erect
a
fence
and
if
the
process
had
been
followed
and
a
building
permit
applied
for
the
fact
that
it's
in
in
an
historic
district
would
have
raised
a
red
flag.
At
that
point,.