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Salt Lake City Historic Landmarks Commission Meeting - December 03, 2020
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Enough
time
to
mess
up
yeah,
thank
you,
everyone
for
joining
us
this
evening.
I
think
I
have
this
on
the
right
screen
now,
where
I
can
see
everyone
who's
allowed
to
be
seen
and
as
many
as
can
turn
on
their
cameras.
That's
helpful,
but
I
understand
there's
times
you
don't
want
to
we're
going
to
go
ahead
and
start
now.
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That
now
I
was
in
another
page.
Sorry,
I
missed
that.
So
I'm
going
to
read
this
statement
now
by
robert
hyde
as
chairman
of
the
salt
lake
city,
historic
landmarks,
commission
hereby
determined
that
conducting
the
landmarks
commission
meeting
at
an
anchor
location
presents
a
substantial
risk,
the
health
and
safety
of
those
who
may
be
present
at
the
anchor
location,
the
world
health
organization,
the
president
of
the
united
states,
the
governor
of
utah,
the
salt
lake
county
health
department,
the
salt
lake
county
mayor,
the
mayor
of
salt
lake
city,
have
all
recognized.
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The
global
pandemic
exists
related
to
the
new
strain
of
the
chronovirus
sars
ob2,
due
to
the
state
of
emergency
caused
by
the
global
pandemic.
I
find
that
conducting
a
meeting
at
an
anchor
location
under
the
current
state
of
public
health
emergency
constitutes
a
substantial
risk,
the
health
and
safety
of
those
who
may
be
present
at
the
location.
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The
subject
property
is
a
linear
park
located
between
4th
avenue,
canyon,
road,
220,
north
and
canyon,
side,
road.
The
property
is
located
within
the
avenue's
local
historic
district
and
is
directly
adjacent
to
the
boundary
of
the
capitol
hill.
Local
historic
district
as
zoned
os
open
space
and
the
following
two
slides
are
photos
of
the
subject:
property.
Yes,
you'll
see
they
are
taken
prior
to
the
construction
and
during
a
nicer
time
of
year,
so
looking
north
and
looking
southwest
north
and
west
all
right
and
to
provide
background
to
the
new
historic
language.
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So
so
kells
kelsey,
I
don't
know
if
you're
the
right
person
or
they're
the
right
person
to
answer,
but
why,
with
all
the
time
we
spent
on
the
pump
house,
why
are
three
whole
new
components
coming
forth
so
late
in
the
game?
Well,
I
call
late
in
the
game.
Why
do
they
come
forth
now?
Why
weren't
they
originally
involved
in
when
weren't
they
originally
presented,
when
we
were
looking
at
kind
of
hard
to
piece
me
on
this
right
when
we
were
looking
at
the
original
approval.
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A
E
H
E
H
Okay,
the
the
yellow
box
is
the
sectionalizer,
so
the
east
elevation
does
not
have
any
doors.
It
actually
has
that
large
pipe.
If
you
recall
coming
out
of
the
wall,
let
me
just
this
guy
here,
so
it
will
be
in
front
of
that
elevation,
just
east
of
it
and
offset
slightly
but
closer
to
the
stormwater
channel.
H
E
Okay,
so
I
think
it's
probably
a
question
better
for
for
the
power
company
folks,
because
I
I
was
just
curious
on
the
what
you're
sharing
right
now
you
know
the
the
yellow
boxes,
the
sectionalizer.
I
was
just
curious-
why?
Why
that
couldn't
be
moved
to
the
left
and
and
really
grouped
with
the
power
meter
and
the
transformer
and.
I
I
Right,
thank
you.
Well,
thank
you,
kelsey,
for
giving
the
lead
into
this
and
for
your
work
on
this
project
and
thank
you
to
the
commission
for
again
having
us
back
on
this
really
important
project
we
have
for
the
city.
As
you
mentioned,
a
lot
of
the
commissioners
have
been
aware
of
this
project
and
we're
here
for
may
and
for
some
of
the
previous
work
session
meetings
and
for
the
new
commissioners.
I
As
a
preamble
of
this
short
presentation,
I
want
to
highlight
that
the
previously
approved
wellhouse
that
kelsey
was
just
mentioning,
has
not
been
altered.
The
wheelhouse
is
going
to
stay
the
same.
The
original
transformers
would
stay
the
same.
We're
looking
at
here
is
the
new
rocky
mountain
power
infrastructure
that
we've
identified
and
again
we're
going
to
look
for
the
hlc
for
for
approval
of
the
incorporation
of
additional
rocky
mountain
power
infrastructure.
I
I
want
to
introduce
who
else
I've
got
on
a
call
that
might
be
answering
your
questions.
We've
got
laura
briefer.
The
director
of
public
utilities
is
listening
in
we've
got
don
wagner
who's,
our
water
capital
engineering
program
manager,
overseeing
the
project
from
an
engineering
side.
Within
that
within
house
we
have
our
design
engineers,
bowen
collins.
We
have
kirk
bagley
on
the
line
holly
mullen
our
communications
outreach
manager,
along
with
cindy
googler
from
wilkinson
ferrari,
who's,
helped
us
facilitate
the
public
engagement
and
then
representatives
from
rocky
mountain
power,
mr
jeff
barrett
and
mr
brian.
I
If
there's
specific
questions,
I
know
commissioner,
delay
asked
what
specifically
a
sectionalizer
does
I'll
go
through
a
high
level
and
if
there
are
more
questions,
I'm
going
to
defer
to
our
details
on
their
infrastructure
as
we
go
forward,
but
great
questions,
everybody
again.
Why
are
we
back
here
with
that?
I'm
going
to
share
my
screen,
we'll
go
through
a
brief.
I
I
I
Let
me
identify
that
the
existing
high
voltage
buried
primary
power
conductor
is
not
long
enough
to
extend
from
the
existing
transformer,
which
I'll
show
a
picture
up
here
in
a
minute
to
the
new
transformer
we've
got,
and
so
again
that's
working
in
coordination
with
rocky
mountain
power.
We've
identified
these
and
based
on
those
findings.
I
I'm
hoping
my
next
couple
slides
will
help
answer
some
of
those
questions.
This
is
the
existing
electrical
equipment
post.
The
construction
we've
started
out
there.
I
can
see
the
transformer
tubs
here.
That's
our
well!
That's
the
entrance
to
the
well
vault
itself,
existing
part
lighting
transformer
an
existing
park
lighting
meter.
So
this
was
a.
I
This
is
what
it
looked
like
previously
I'll
show
you
some
site
plans
here
in
a
moment
that
shows
what
was
approved
in
may
and
what
we
were
proposing
now
with
the
new
smaller
transformer
with
the
new
panel
and
meter
and
then
the
new
sectionalizer,
as
we
go
forward
so
april
2020
electrical
again,
this
is
kind
of
stepping
back
in
time.
This
was
the
what
was
approved.
Kelsey
showed
this
in
our
presentation.
I
This
plans
for
this
transformer
have
not
changed.
That's
still
going
to
be
the
transformer
that
powers
the
well
the
pump
in
the
well
and
the
well
house
located
north
of
the
building
rocky
mountain
power
standard
forest
green,
similar
to
what
the
image
that
kelsey
showed
during
her
presentation,
the
new
electrical
components.
We've
got
a
new
single
phase,
transformer
the
power
meter
for
lighting
and
irrigation
and
a
new
electrical
panel.
I
We've
got
the
new
power
meter
and
electrical
panel
here,
and
I
tucked
in
again
to
the
north
north
on
this
image,
is
to
your
left.
So
this
is
the
east
of
the
of
the
well
house
we're
doing,
and
I
believe
one
of
the
one
of
the
commissioners
asked
why
the
sectionalizer
can't
be
moved
over
and
that's
that's
a
question
I
can
answer
here
and
reinforce
on
one
of
the
next
slides
or
something
just
move
to
the
next
slide
here.
I
Actually
I'll
leave
it
here,
because
this
has
a
better
overview.
One
reason
we
that
some
of
the
concise
concerns
we
have
out
here
are
again
it's
on
our
island
park.
We've
got
the
faux
creek
here
which
serves
as
some
storm
water,
but
that
little
babbling
brook
is
really
it's
an
aesthetic
creek
that
we
manipulate
with
boards
in
the
pond
up
upstream
of
this,
to
keep
the
creek
aesthetically
visual
in
there
and
a
nice
looking
little
crew
coming
through.
I
So
that's
why
it's
going
right
in
this
location
and
that's
also
on
top
of
where
the
existing
power
lines
come
through.
So
it's
going
to
be
an
easy
addition
or
easiest
addition
right
on
top
of
those
they'll
come
up
into
the
into
the
sectionalizer
and
then
continue
continue
on
sectionalizer,
okay,
here's.
This
is
a
similar
image
to
what
kelsey
showed
on
here,
similar
rendering.
Now
you
can
see
here,
it's
this
rectangular
structure
about
two
feet
wide
about
five
and
a
half
feet
tall
and
about
six
feet
long.
I
I
The
sectionalizer
is
really
in
this
in
this
case,
is
used
to
extend
the
high
voltage
buried
power
conductor,
and
that's
why
I
said
it's
right
there.
So
we
extend
that
on
and
up
to
our
new
transformer
and
I'll,
and
if
rocky
mountain
power
wants
to
add
details
I'll,
let
jeff
and
brian
jump
in
on
that,
and
then
it's
also
used
as
a
second
purpose,
to
split
power
from
the
single
high
voltage
varied
line
into
two
separate
meters
that
can
go
to
the
the
different
transformers
there.
Again.
I
It's
gonna
be
rocky
mountain
power,
standard
force,
green,
we're
squeezing
it
between
the
street
channel
and
the
well
building
keeping
in
mind.
There's
a
60
inch
storm
water
line
between
the
two
and
this
location
meets
rocky
mountain
power's
needs
for
safety
and
clearances,
and
then
we've
included
additional
landscaping
to
help
mask
not
only
the
the
sectionalizer
itself,
but
the
transformer
and
the
meter
and
power
there.
I
Here's
the
site
plans.
So
again,
we
can
go
over
this
a
little
bit,
single-phase
transformers,
again
they're
going
to
be
shrouded
by
the
existing,
the
original
transformer,
the
well-building
and
additional
landscaping,
and
then
by
you
know
the
rock
wall
here
and
some
of
the
other
well
building
the
pipe
coming
out
and
things
like
that
for
both
those
the
sectionalizer
will
be
shrouded
somewhat
by
landscaping
by
the
building
and
by
the
the
bridge.
I
But
it
will
be
more
visible
from
the
east
and
I
will
go
back
to
the
the
rendering
that
shows
it
from
the
east.
But
although
it
is
visible
from
the
east,
it
will
be
backdropped
by
the
the
larger
new
wellhouse,
we're
constructing
here's.
The
april
2020
landscaping
plan
and
we've
got
the
revised
modified
landscaping
plan
to
incorporate
the
three
new
rocky
mountain
power
pieces
of
infrastructure,
the
smaller
transformer
the
panel
and
meter
and
the
sectionalizer
here,
and
that
will
have
new
trees,
some
shrubbery
and
then
kind
of
some
some
bordering
here.
I
I
We
saw
those
on
the
previous
slide.
You've
all
seen
these
in
previous
meetings.
This
is
just
the
approved
well
building
from
the
various
directions
and
in
various
climates
you
can
see
the
originally
approved
transformer
here,
the
other
one
will
be
right
behind
it
and
then
there'll
be
some
additional
landscaping
infrastructure
back
here
and
then
this
is
really
the
the
more
and
I
guess,
in
my
opinion,
the
more
critical
view,
because
this
is
where
the
new
infrastructure
will
show.
I
So
we've
got
the
original
transformer
here
on
the
right,
a
smaller
transformer
right
behind
the
jogger,
the
panel
and
meter
here
right
in
front
of
the
jogger,
and
then
this
would
be
the
sectionalizer
over
here
again
squeezed
between
the
creek,
the
storm
drain,
16
storm
rain
line
and
the
valley
vault
itself,
and
with
that
I'll
open
it
up
to
questions,
I
might
just
leave
it
on
this
slide.
So
we
can
see
questions
and
I'll
either.
Take
them
myself
or
defer
them
to
part
of
my
internal
team
or
to
rocky
mountain
power.
J
A
I
So
other
locations,
so
this
line
comes
from
a
a
power
drop
about
500
feet
to
the
south
from
a
power
line
there.
That
goes
into
the
southern
of
the
two
island
parks
and
rocky
mountain
power.
I
might
have
them
answer
some
of
those
questions,
but
that
was
another
option
to
put
it
somewhere
along
that,
but
we
we
all
determined-
and
this
is
what
we're
proposing
to
you-
to
keep
it
all
in
this
one
site.
I
C
C
I
F
Brian,
can
you
speak
to
the
the
doors
on
the
various
sides
and
where
we
need
access
from,
I
mean
typically
on
the
ground
around
a
a
a
box
like
this
there's
a
shape
that
you
could
find
in
our
electrical
service
requirements
and
it's
a
clearance
that
has
to
do
with
access.
So
brian,
can
you
speak
to
that
on
a
sexualizer.
F
So
when
we
work
it
between
the
building
and
the
pump
house,
there
will
be
10
feet
there
and
the
guys
can
work
it
with
their
hot
sticks,
which
are
eight
feet
long
and
so
10
feet
on
the
side
are
the
front
and
then
to
the
sides
and
around
the
back,
where
we
don't
have
to
work
it.
It's
just
a
three
foot
working
space
clearance.
C
F
A
D
So
there's
a
little
bit
of
space
there
and
I
I
think
that
the
landscaping
plan
here
presented
is
is
absolutely
fabulous
and-
and
I
know
that
in
the
electrical
world
we
like
to
have
three
feet
in
every
direction
and
I'm
I'm
wondering
if
it
as
a
compromise.
There
could
be
some
landscaping
presented
in
that
three
foot
buffer
between
this
large
green
box
and
the
faux
stream
channel
in
that.
I
E
I
I
think
I
I
think
part
of
it
has
been
answered
already,
and
I
I
I
guess
I
I
was
looking
at
the
by
the
rendering
that
that
you
have
here,
and
I
I
would
just
if,
if
if
the
sexualizer
could
just
be
moved
to
the
right
a
bit,
I
I
think
I
think,
however,
if
I'm
reading,
between
the
lines
that
it's
placed
exactly
where
it
is
because
it's
directly
over
the
the
lines
underneath
it,
and
so
the
connections
are
the
shortest
in
that
that
location.
Is
that
correct.
I
F
Yeah,
so
one
of
the
reasons
this
is
brian
again,
one
of
the
reasons
they
put
it
where
it's
at
is
one.
It
is
right
over
the
top
of
the
lines
which
it
helps
us
be
able
to
pull
back
the
wire
and
terminate
in
there,
because
we
do
need
quite
a
bit
of
wire
to
terminate
in
that
sectionalizer,
and
so
what
they'll
have
to
do
is
take
the
wire
that
goes
from
that
point
to
the
existing
transformer
they'll
have
to
expose
it
and
pull
it
back.
G
Mr
chair,
this
is
nick
norris.
Can
I
just
quickly
I
have
an
announcement
to
make
that
really
we
have
a
call-in
user
for
which
is
actually
commissioner,
jessica,
mah
who
lost
her
connection,
so
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
the
record
reflected
that
she
is
in
attendance
as
that
call-in
user,
for
on
our
phone.
Thank
you.
B
Thank
you
thanks
nick,
so
so
so
so
I
have.
I
have
two
questions.
That'll
show
that
I'm
not
an
engineer
what
why
why
couldn't
one
transformer
be
enlarged
and
only
have
one
instead
of
two,
and
why
would
the
new
power
meter
an
electrical
panel?
Why
weren't
they
they
can't?
Why
can't
they
go
in
the
building?
B
I
F
Sure
this
is
brian,
so
the
two
transformers
are
required
because
you
have
a
three-phase
277
480
volt
transformer
which
is
going
to
feed
the
pump
house.
And
then
you
have
a
single
phase:
120
240,
which
is
similar
to
what
you
have
in
most
residential
homes
and
that
will
feed
the
street
lights
and
the
sprinkler
timer.
F
C
Yeah
robert
I'll,
ask
you
something
again
so
talking
about
the
10
foot
clearance,
you
need
between
the
front
of
the
sectionalizer
in
the
building.
Are
you
exactly
at
10
feet
from
that
that
piece
of
equipment
and
the
face
of
the
building
or
is
it
or
could
we
squeeze
a
little
bit
more
room
out
of
there.
A
C
F
F
Oh
gosh.
I
forget
the
gentleman
internally
who
manages
it,
but
certainly
if
that
was
a
priority
of
the
of
the
community,
to
wrap
that
with
art
or
some
other
type
of
thing.
We
could
do
that.
We've
got
a
process
for
that,
and
you
know
we
would
just
we'd
just
have
to
work
with
public
utilities
and
and
we
could
get
there
it
wouldn't.
It
wouldn't
be
too
much
trouble
for
us.
E
I
think
just
just
one
more
try.
You
know
the
in
the
rendering
that
we're
looking
at
the
the
two
green
boxes
that
are
on
either
side
of
the
jogger
are
kind
of
you
know
the
view
of
those
are
mitigated
because
of
landscaping,
and
I'm
wondering
since
the
business
end
of
the
sectionalizer
is
between
the
sexualizer
and
the
pump
house.
E
C
B
F
That
we
require
now,
if
they're
I'm
open
to,
if,
if
you
guys
put
something
together
of
landscaping
to
shield
it,
I'm
open
to
looking
at
that
and
reviewing
it.
We
don't
want
a
big
giant
pine
tree
or
something
there
which
wouldn't
fit
anyway,
but
we
don't
want
it
to
be
so
tough
there
that
we
can't
remove
and
maintain
that
equipment
if
needed.
F
Brian
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
my
understanding
is
typical.
Maintenance
would
always
be
from
the
side
with
the
10
foot
clearance
because
that's
where
the
doors
are,
but
the
three
foot
clearances
for
an
event
where
we
needed
to
get
a
crane
in
to
remove
it
and
replace
it,
and
so
that
would
be
a
much
less
usual
event,
so
so
plan
things
proposed
and
if
implemented
you
know,
maybe
we
only
need
to
get
in
there
every
10
years
or
something
is
that
is
that
a
fair
characterization,
brian
yeah?
That's
correct,
yeah.
C
B
G
A
Thanks,
I
sent
some
comments
to
the
dropbox
this
morning.
The
first
one
has
to
do
with
what
amounts
to
a
fairly
significant
change
order,
and
I
could
get
hyper
critical
here,
except
that
I
just
forgot
to
put
the
laundry
room
in
a
three
bedroom
townhouse,
and
so
I'm
kind
of
in
a
glass
house
on
that
subject.
So
I
won't
say
any
more
about
it.
You
think
there
are
alternatives.
A
I
do
have
a
great
deal
of
experience
with
landscaping
and
both
the
previous
landscaping
plan
and
this
one
are
like
alien
proposals
in
an
established
landscape.
So
once
again
the
design
doesn't
respect
the
materials
or
the
the
feel
of
what's
there.
What's
there
is
an
informal
landscape
which
parks
has
tried
to
herd
toward
more
riparian
corridor
species,
I'm
not
seeing
any
identification
species
you've
got
to
have
evergreens
or
I'm
going
to
be
staring
at
these
boxes.
A
For
at
least
half
the
year-
and
I
I
really
just
find
the
use
of
curbing-
which
is
not
used
elsewhere
in
the
park-
to
be
another
example
of
an
alien
material,
so
those
black
lines.
It
took
me
a
long
time.
I
thought
they
were
fencing
which
I
wouldn't
have
objected
to,
but
they're
concrete,
curbing
and
that's
not
used
in
the
park.
A
So
we
have
a
very
informal
landscape
with
a
median
stream
and
a
meandering
walkway
and
elliptical
beds
and
a
bunch
of
native
species,
and
now
all
of
a
sudden
we've
got
this
thing
with
foundation
plantings
in
the
previous
design
and
the
species
that
aren't
identified,
and
it
just
really
speaks
to
the
fact
that,
in
my
view,
this
is
its
own
place.
It
has
its
own
materials,
its
own
field
and
that
hasn't
been
respected.
A
G
G
Thank
you.
This
is
from
shane
franz.
He
says
dear
members
of
the
historic
landmark
commission.
I'm
writing
a
comment
on
the
proposal
to
add
additional
power
infrastructure
to
the
proposed
fourth
avenue.
Well,
as
you
are
aware,
the
neighbors
have
been
expressing
concern
about
the
design
for
over
two
years.
G
The
original
public
utilities
plan
included
a
building
large
enough
to
take
over
the
park,
complete
with
on-site
parking
generators
and
barbed
wire
top
fence,
our
neighbor
officially,
to
require
that
the
pump
house
allow
three
simple
rules,
follow
three
simple
rules
that
would
be
small,
silent
and
appropriate.
After
countless
meeting
hours
spent
in
negotiations
was
felt
that
we
finally
arrived
the
design
of
met
most
of
those
requirements,
a
small
building
designed
with
even
smaller,
rear,
cobblestone
fence
enclosure.
G
The
purpose
of
the
cobblestone
fence
area
was
to
house
and
obscure
the
ugly
power
infrastructure
and
metering
when
the
design
was
unveiled.
It
was
found
that
a
large
power
transformer
was
added
outside
of
the
cobblestone
fence
enclosure
which
further
encodes
on
and
reduces
the
park
space.
This
was
not
included
in
the
original
design
and
was
added
in
a
casual
after
the
fact
manner,
but
was
a
substantial
change.
G
I'm
frustrated
to
see
that
the
design
team
discovered
now,
after
all,
these
countless
meetings
and
discussions
that
they've
forgotten
they
needed
additional
large
power
infrastructure.
This
is
indeed
a
tremendous
oversight.
The
additions
create
sprawl
will
be
unsightly
in
the
park.
The
additional
sectionalizer
and
transformers
provide
places
for
homeless
people
to
sleep
and
hide
the
salt
lake
city.
Hulk
utilities
is
asking
you
to
accept
these
design
changes
without
proof
of
necessity
or
exploration
of
alternatives.
I've
asked
both
as
an
engineer
and
concerned
nearby
property
owner
for
schematics
and
diagrams
and
have
been
denied
with
public
utilities.
G
Project
management
saying
that
they
quote:
do
not
share
critical
infrastructure
information
like
the
initial
building,
surrounded
by
barbed
wire
fence.
There
was
lots
of
room
for
improvement,
and
I
suspect
this
is
the
case
here.
I
asked
united
supplies
a
challenge,
design
team
to
incorporate
a
design
that
limits
the
power
infrastructure
was
originally
proposed,
and
that
was
awesome.
B
I
Yep-
and
I
hope
I'm
still
unmuted,
can
you
guys
hear
me?
Yes,
you're
fine,
I've
lost
the
icon.
That
shows,
if
I
mute
it
or
not
so
yeah.
I
think,
with
the
with
miss
miss
cromer's
comments
regarding
landscaping.
We
can
and
with
the
comments
about
putting
something
behind
the
sectionalizer
there
to
the
east,
we
can
definitely
look
at
those
and
review
what
we've
got.
I
I
believe
we
do
have
a
landscaping
plan
included,
but
I'll
verify
that
and
then,
as
far
as
mr
franz's
comments
again,
I
think
this
is
just
part
of
the
design
evolution
as
we
went
along.
We,
I
realized
and
coordinated
more
closely
with
rocky
mountain
power,
and
this
is
new
infrastructure.
That's
going
to
be
required
for
both
the
park,
lighting
and
irrigation
and
for
the
sectionalizer
to
bring
power
to
the
site
in
general.
I
I
B
C
Yeah
canton
here,
I
feel,
like
they
kind
of
got
us
over
a
barrel
here,
because
it's
hard
to
first
of
all,
I'm
I'm
a
little
frustrated
we're
in
this
position,
but
you
know
we
we
are
where
we
are,
but
they've
kind
of
got
us
over
a
barrel,
because
we
cannot
cannot
really
argue
the
the
engineering
aspect
of
it.
Excuse
me,
the
engineering
aspect
it
seems
like
alternative
locations
are
at
least
as
presented
or
not
are
not
possible.
C
Where
other
options
could
have
been,
you
know,
but
you
know,
because
I'm
pretty
sure
they
work
through
them.
They're,
they're,
very
competent
and-
and
you
know,
concerned
professionals
but
they're
coming
at
this
from
the
very
practical
point
of
view
and
and
kind
of
sticks
us
into
a
place,
that's
hard
to
get
out
of
so
yeah.
I
didn't.
E
Yeah
robert,
I
I
think
that
I
agree
with
canton.
I
think
we
are
where
we
are.
It
would
have
been
nice
to
see
this
from
the
beginning.
I
do
think
that
if
indeed
we
we
landscape
properly,
we
can
mitigate
as
much
as
possible.
The
sectionalizer
should
not
be
replaced
every
two
years.
This
is
a
10
15
year
kind
of
thing.
If
indeed
we
we
plant
appropriately
between
the
the
the
creek
and
and
the
sexualizer
it'll
it'll
mitigate
the
the
look
of
that.
E
I
I
still
wish
that
it
could
be
moved
further
to
the
right
in
groups
so
that
it
wouldn't
be
right
in
front
of
the
building.
You
know
the
the
example
that
was
shown
the
one
on
on
on
south
temple.
Yes,
it's
it's
about
the
same
size,
but
it's
sitting
in
front
of
a
building.
That's
about
five
stories
tall,
so
it
looks
insignificant
in
front
of
that
building
when
it's
a
when
it's
in
front
of
a
one-story
building,
it's
it's
not
an
insignificant
thing
in
front
of
the
building.
B
D
D
I
think
that
a
single
green
power
box
is
more
diminutive
on
the
landscape
than
a
two
foot
or
four
foot,
or
six
foot,
high
wall
or
even
fence,
and
and
to
that
end
in.
In
closing,
I
I
want
to
applaud
the
applicant
for
not
fencing
the
area
between
the
building
and
the,
and
we
call
it
the
faux
creek.
The
faux
creek
in
itself
is
a
barrier
and
mind
you.
D
B
If
not,
we
can
move.
I
I
want
to
say
one
thing
I
think
I've
just
echo
what's
been
said
and
that
we're
I
feel
like
we're
kind
of
in
a
position
where
there's
really
only
one
way
to
go,
and
if
these
things
are
needed,
they're
needed
and
I
think
they've
been
dealt
with
as
well
as
they
can
be
from
what
what
I
know
little.
I
know
about
it.
But
what
frustrates
me
in
this
whole
presentation
tonight
was
to
have
to
learn
that
what
we
approved
in
may
was
a
30
design.
B
I
just
don't
think
that
we
should
you
know
when
you,
when
you
prove
something
you're,
giving
and
taking
and
and
trading
and
bartering,
and
so
to
not
have
a
more
complete
view.
You
know
if
we
had
everything
before
us,
we
might
have,
we
might
have
approached
it
all
a
little
differently,
so
I
hope
in
the
future.
We
don't
I'm
talking
to.
You,
know
the
city
staff.
If
I
can,
I
know
I
don't
know
I'm
not
trying
to
blame
anyone
for
anything
except
it'd
be
nice.
B
If
things
didn't
come
to
us
until
I
know
it's
a
chasing
the
tale
of
the
cat
a
little
bit,
because
public
utilities
doesn't
want
to
go
into
great
detail
and
design
well,
they
know
they
can
put
the
building
there,
but
on
the
other
hand,
it's
hard
for
us
to
make
a
decision
when
we
only
have
part
of
the
facts
or
we
learned
later,
we
only
had
part
of
the
fact.
So
I
hope
we
don't
have
that
again.
B
E
All
right
motion
to
approve
consistent
with
staff
recommendations
based
on
the
information
of
the
staff
report,
concerning
the
request
for
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
the
modification
of
the
electrical
equipment
associated
with
the
new
construction.
At
the
fourth
avenue
pump
house
case
number
pl
nhlc.
A
B
D
H
B
H
B
C
A
I
just
wanted
to
mention
the
reason
I'm
abstaining
is.
I
know
this
took
a
tremendous
amount
of
time
and
work
and
I
have
not
had
the
bandwidth
to
research.
All
of
this
as
I
wanted
to
I,
it
seems
positive,
but
there
are
definitely
a
lot
of
questions
that
I
had
and
it
just
seemed
at
this
point
in
time.
It
would
be
better
for
me
to
abstain.
So
that's
what.
B
A
C
I
I
think
the
whole
process
has
been
successful.
Public
utilities
has
done
a
great
job.
You
know,
despite
some
of
my
concerns
tonight,
in
coming
up
with
something
that'll
be
appropriate
there.
So
you
know,
I
don't
want
utilities
to
go
away
thinking.
We
don't
appreciate
the
effort
they've
made.
You
know
the
process
could
could
be
improved,
but
I
think
we're
we're
coming
out
to
as
good
a
solution
as
is
possible
with
this.
So
thanks
to
jesse
and
his
team
as
well.
G
Mr
chair,
this
is
nick
one
of
the
comments
that
that
you
made
during
this
was
just
in
general
about
seeing
things
again
at
30
percent
we've.
This
has
been
an
issue
with
electrical
needs
for
a
while
in
the
city
where
people
are
designing
buildings
they
get
approved
and
then
they
go
to
get
their
building
permit.
They
come
back
with
they've,
never
didn't
include
any
space
for
their
transformers
and
util
and
utility
needs,
and
so
they
try
to
put
them
in
the
right
of
way.
G
One
of
the
things
that
we
have
been
working
with
rocky
mountain
power
on
is
getting
plans
to
them
early
when
we
first
get
them
so
that
they
can
make
sure
that
they
have
an
idea
of
what
the
electrical
needs
are
going
to
be
and
our
and
our
ordinance
does
require
them
to
show
those
on
their
site
plans
and
so
we're
cranking
down
on
that
quite
a
bit.
It's
making
a
lot
of
developers
unhappy,
but
it's
something
that
you
have
to
do
and
you
know
the
the
public
rights
of
way.
This
is
not.
G
D
B
You
yeah
yeah,
thank
you
nick,
that's
that's
good
input
and
I
I
didn't
want
to
put
a
wet
blanket
on
anything.
I
just
feel
frustrated
when
I
see
I
know
that
30
design
means
different
things,
but
it's
still
and-
and
I
suspect
you
all-
you
don't
always
know
where
they're
really
at
in
terms
of
percentage,
but
we
appreciate
you
doing
that
because
it
is
a.
B
It
is
frustrating
to
have
seen
that
tonight,
but
but
all
in
all,
like
everyone
said
this
is
we've
been
through
the
tough
stuff
with
the
public
and
I
think
we'll
end
up
with
what
we
need
to
preserve
that
water.
Well,
so
so
before
we
end
tonight
are
we
are
we
supposed
to
be
in
a
class
for
a
minute
nick?
What's
going
on
or
john.
G
J
J
A
J
All
right
I'll
put
this
in
the
dropbox
I
recycle
this
every
year,
there's
not
a
whole
lot
new,
but
we
have.
We
have
three
new
commissioners,
one
of
whom
has
been
through
this
a
few
times,
the
other
two
who
I'm
guessing.
This
is
new
to
you.
So
we'll
go
through
this.
This
isn't
the
whole
open
public
meetings
act.
J
J
J
If,
in
the
next
definition
is
really
sort
of
a
negative
definition,
it
doesn't
mean
a
chance
gathering
at
a
social
meeting.
So
if
two
or
three
or
four
of
you
happen
to
run
into
each
other
at
the
library
or
or
if
you're,
all
attending
some
conference,
you're,
not
there
doing
the
things
that
you're
supposed
to
be
doing
as
a
member
of
the
historic
landmark
commission
you're,
not
in
the
meeting,
if
four
or
five
of
you
decide,
you're
going
to
get
together
on
a
zoom
call
to
talk
about
a
project.
J
J
So
those
are
the
things
we
need
to
avoid.
If
you
have
questions
about
an
application
and
you
want
to
talk
with
staff,
that's
perfectly
fine.
Commissioners,
one-on-one
with
staff
or
or
with
me,
is
not
considered
a
meeting,
because
you
are
not
meeting
with
a
quorum
present
and
and
you're
not
meeting
amongst
yourselves.
Obviously,
you're
getting
information
from
staff
convening
kind
of
a
weird
definition,
but
it's
calling
the
meeting
together
and
quorum
is.
J
J
J
J
J
J
Thank
you
for
your
patience
and
tolerance.
The
agendas
need
to
include
some
reasonable
specificity
as
to
what
the
commission
is
going
to
be.
Considering
the
the
more
specific
we
get,
we
can
find
ourselves
in
trouble
if
we
address
something,
that's
not
within
the
scope
of
what's
in
the
agenda
and
the
more
general
we
get,
we
can
get
ourselves
in
trouble
for
not
giving
enough
information.
J
This
is
the
other
thing
is
if
it's,
if
you,
we
have
something,
that's
not
on
the
agenda
generally,
we
can't
have
that
conversation,
but
if
it
is
brought
up
by
a
member
of
the
public,
it
can
be
discussed
to
some
extent,
but
no
action
can
be
taken
on
that.
So
the
landmark
commission
has
the
general
comments.
J
J
J
Closed
meetings
we
have
yet
to
go
into
a
closed
meeting
in
the
12
and
a
half
years.
I've
been
here
probably
longer
that
nick
has
has
been
here,
and
there
generally
are
not
good
reasons
to
go
into
closed
meeting.
As
a
landmark
commission.
There
have
been
times
when
the
planning
commission
has
to
discuss
litigation.
J
J
J
J
J
This
is
this
is
sort
of
an
interesting
academic
exercise
as
to
how
this
would
happen
under
the
current
rules.
We'll
get
to
the
current
rules
in
a
minute
for
the
remote
meeting
quorum
must
be
present.
I
believe
that
there
is
an
exception
to
this
that
may
have
been
included
in
the
legislation
that
was
adopted
by
the
state
legislature
in
the
fifth
special
session
this
year,
which
I
think
we
had
seven
six
or
seven
special
sessions.
J
I
think
that's
a
record
for
the
state
of
utah.
You
cannot
take
action
in
the
closed
meeting.
If
that
ever
happens
and
again
that's
this
is
voice
vote
each
person,
the
individualized
role,
vote,
each
person
who
votes
to
go
into
the
closed
meeting
and
the
record.
The
the
minutes
and
recording
of
the
closed
meeting
are
kept
separate
from
the
regular
minutes
of
the
meeting
and
the
regular
recording
and
those
are
generally
not
subject
to
grammar.
J
If
we
go
through
and
read
the
statement
that
chairman
hyde
read
at
the
beginning
of
tonight's
meeting,
these
are
the
specific
findings
that
must
be
made.
It's
a
little
bit
weird
I'll
acknowledge,
and
this
was
something
that
we
tried
to
push
back
a
little
bit
on
when
the
legislature
was
considering
this.
J
It's
it
seems
more
relevant
to
elected
officials
who
have
ballot
box
accountability
and
also
we
recognize
that
there
could
be
a
situation
outside
of
salt
lake
city,
where
things
could
go
off
the
rails
with
some
some
small
town
boards
and
commissions,
where
maybe
they
have
different
ideas
about
the
current
public
health
crisis.
And
that's
about
as
much
as
I'm
going
to
say
about
that.
J
But
this
this
is
what
got
adopted
by
the
legislature,
and
so
in
order
to
continue
meeting,
we
need
to
read
the
statement
that
chairman
hyde
read
at
the
beginning,
based
on
his
findings,
and
he
referred
to
the
fact
that
the
president,
the
governor,
the
mayor
and
everybody's
relatives,
all
recognize
that
we're
currently
in
a
public
health
emergency
you'll
see
subsection
5.
There
requires
that
we
read
that.
J
That's
why
we
do
this
each
time
and
under
these
new
protocols.
This
I
didn't
cite
the
language
here,
but
the
statute
requires
that
we
put
that
cities
counties.
Public
bodies
provide
a
way
for
members
of
the
public
to
witness
the
meetings,
either
by
viewing
them
on
video
or
being
able
to
listen
to
audio,
as
well
as
a
means
of
providing
comments,
and
we
do
the
best
that
we
can
on
that
in
the
early
days
of
having
these
meetings.
J
Their
only
means
of
internet
access
is
public
libraries
and
at
that
time
the
libraries
were
closed.
The
law
only
requires
that
we
provide
an
opportunity
and
I
hopefully
we
aren't
excluding
people.
I
know.
Sometimes
we
have
technology
hiccups,
but
we
are
doing
the
best
we
can
and
that's
that's
where
we
are
sort
of
related,
but
this
is
in
a
different
context.
J
J
Discrimination
is
problematic
under
the
first
amendment,
but
also
civil
discourse
is
important
and
if
somebody
is
being
disruptive
of
a
meeting,
they
begin
to
shed
their
first
amendment
rights,
and
we
have
this
magic
technology
where
we
actually
can
just
press
a
button
and
don't
have
to
listen
to
people
saying
horrible
things
about
elected
officials,
consequences
dividing
violating
the
open
meetings
law
it.
It
is
a
crime.
J
I
believe
it's
right
here:
class
b
misdemeanor,
I'm
not
aware
of
anybody
ever
having
been
charged
with
a
violation
of
the
open
public
meetings,
act
oftentimes.
If
there
is
a
technical
violation
of
the
act,
the
remedy
is
to
a
do-over,
I'm
not
aware
of
that
happening
either.
We've
had
some
some
circumstances
where
we
had
notice
problems,
but
not
a
per
se
violation
of
the
open
and
public
meetings
act.
J
So
with
that,
I
know
I
kind
of
just
blazed
through
this
there's
a
lot
to
it,
but
usually
there
are
things
that
are
basic,
that
we
need
to
pay
attention
to,
and
those
things
are
generally
let's:
let's
not
have
an
email
dialogue
about
a
specific
application,
that's
coming
up,
because
that
is
technically
an
electronic
meeting
to
discuss
something
that
the
commission
has
jurisdiction
over.
There
was
one
thing
I
didn't
mention.
J
J
If
you
want
to
have
text
message,
conversations
outside
of
the
meeting,
that's
fine
and
that's
all
it
said
it
didn't,
prohibit
them
those
from
occurring
within
a
meeting,
but
that
was
that's
where
the
bill
started
and
that
ended
up
getting
taken
out
if
you've
paid
attention
to
the
things
going
on
with
the
salt
lake
city
school
board.
Lately
you'll
understand
why,
having
some
of
these
side
conversations
could
be
a
problem
or
the
very
least
embarrassing.
J
J
That's
essentially
what
what
the
language
said
be
mindful
of
those
things
if
somebody
submits
a
grammar
request
for
your
text,
messages
or
emails
or
whatever
we'll
have
that
conversation
and
figure
out.
If
we
have
to
provide
those,
but
I
would
encourage,
I
would
encourage
you
to
not
have
those
conversations,
I'm
not
telling
you
you
can't
I'm
encouraging
you
to
not
based
on
you
know
the
the
recent
example
that
the
salt
lake
city
school
board
has
provided
to
us.
A
Have
you
had
text
messages?
Have
you
had
to
provide
those
before
this
is
really
unusual
to
me?
Having
you
know
done
this
for
a
long
time,
and
that's
that's
a
little
scary.
I
think
so.
Have
you
had
to
face
that
sorry,
my
video
keeps
coming
in
and
out.
So
that's
that's
why
I'm
not
on
the
screen
all
the
time.
J
J
Well,
okay,
it
depends
it
depends
on.
What's
in
the
message,
though,
if
if
it's
a
personal
communication,
if,
if
babs
you're
sending
aiden
a
message
that
says,
oh
I'm
so
hungry,
let's
go
get
something.
You
know
when
this
thing
is
over.
That's
a
personal
communication:
it
doesn't
pertain
to
the
business
that's
being
conducted.
J
J
G
E
J
So
that's
that
is
closely
related
to
the
public
meetings
act.
It's
not
squarely
within
it,
but
I'll
tell
you
and
babs
may
remember.
The
planning
commission
several
years
ago
was
discussing
the
regional
athletic
complex
and
we
had
a
member
of
the
planning
commission
post
some
thoughts.
His
opinion
about
it
on
facebook
before
the
matter
was.
J
Presented
to
the
commission
for
its
consideration
and
vote,
and
that
was
brought
to
my
attention.
I
went
to
the
commissioner
and
I
said:
hey,
you
know
what
it
appears
that
you
have
expressed
your
opinion
on
something
before
having
that
presented
to
you.
We
could
have
a
due
process
problem
here.
It
might
be
in
everybody's
best
interest
if
you
recuse
yourself,
and
he
said.
Oh,
my
gosh.
I
didn't
even
think
about
that.
My
mistake.
J
Yes,
I
won't
participate
that
turned
into
a
whole
other
thing
with
somebody
who
appealed
that
decision
going
to
all
of
our
local
media
outlets
and
saying
that
a
member
of
the
commission
was
coerced
into
not
participating,
which
put
me
in
a
bad
light
where
I
was
being
accused
of
having
coerced
somebody
to
not
participate,
and
it
was
a
close
vote
on
that
that
that's
something
that
it's!
It's
not
open.
J
A
J
A
A
No,
no,
I
still
have
never
been
in
one
and
still
will
not
give
them
any
money
yeah
there
you
have
it.
That
was
my
personal
opinion
and
it
was
easy
to
reuse
myself
and
just
say
I
can't
be
a
part
of
any
of
this
process,
and
so
I
missed
you
know
several
meetings
or
that
part
of
those
meetings,
and
I
felt
good
about
that,
and
that
was
my
responsibility
to
do
that.
J
The
social
media
thing
I
guess,
can
implicate
the
public
meetings
act
if,
if,
if
you're,
all
friends
on
facebook
or
whatever,
your
your
preferred
social
media
platform
is
and-
and
you
begin
discussing
these
things-
it's
it's
it's
a
problem.
So
please
don't
discuss
those
things
that
that
you
have
the
obligation
to
consider
as
members
of
the
commission.
A
related
issue
is
ex
parte
communications.
J
J
These
these
are
things
we've
actually
run
into
several
times
again.
The
the
I
think
the
landmark
commission
has
probably
been
my
my
most
well-behaved
group
of
folks
to
not
cross
that
threshold,
but
it
happens
and
and
most
of
the
time
it's
it's
an
applicant,
not
recognizing
that
they
have
that
the
commission
has
these
policies
and
procedures
and
and
the
applicants,
because
they
know
you
from
other
dealings
or
you
know,
they're
your
neighbors
or
your
friends.
J
They
reach
out
to
you
and
they
tell
you
hey,
I'm
coming
to
a
commission
next
month.
What
do
you
think
my
chances
are
and
those
circumstances
the
appropriate
thing
is
to
say
hey.
You
know
what
I
appreciate
that
you're
going
through
this
process,
and
you
recognize
that
I
have
a
voice
on
that.
I
can't
talk
to
you
about
that.
J
I
can't
I
can't
have
this
conversation
with
you
and
then
the
next
thing
you
need
to
do
is
you
need
to
let
staff
know
that
somebody
reached
out
to
you
disclose
that
just
in
case
there's
any
concern
that
the
public
might
have
that
you're
biased
and
you
know
that
doesn't
disqualify
you
if
somebody
reaches
out
to
you,
it
is
disqualifying
if
you
reach
out
to
them-
and
you
know
we
don't
want
to
see
that
happen.
So
thanks
for
bringing
that
up,
john,
so
that's
a
good
point.