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From YouTube: Historic Landmarks Commission Meeting - April 07, 2022
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Salt Lake City Historic Landmarks Commission Meeting - April 07, 2022
https://www.slc.gov/historic-preservation/
https://www.slc.gov/boards/historic-landmark-commission-agendas-minutes/
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
We
don't
need
to
do
that.
Okay,
all
right,
let's,
let's
begin,
then,
with
a
third
item
reading
of
the
virtual
meeting
determination.
Fortunately
very
fortunately
we
don't
have
to
do
that
since
we're
meeting
in
in
person
and
we're
very
happy
to
do
that
good
evening.
Everyone,
let's
have
the
approval
of
the
minutes.
Up
from
the
previous
meeting,
I'm
going
to
ask
for
a
motion
concerning
that.
D
A
Nice
john
is
traveling,
robert
is
traveling
and
aiden
is
traveling
kenton.
You
brought
it
up,
so
I
assume
it's
I'm
since
there's
only
five
commissioners
this
evening
I'll.
I
need
to
vote
as
well.
I
say
aye
and
carlton
aye,
very
good.
Thank
you
all
right.
I
don't
have
a
as
a
chair.
I
don't
have
any
report
this
evening
and
speaking
to
babs,
you.
D
A
Either
so,
thank
you
very
much.
We'll
move
to
report
from
the
director.
E
E
The
commission
originally
approved
this
on
march
4th
in
2021
and
staff,
and
the
applicant
worked
to
address
the
commission's
concerns
of
approval
and
issued
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
on
march
29th
she's
provided
in
the
dropbox,
the
coa.
That
also
includes
the
approved
plans,
as
well
as
a
memo
to
the
commission
and
the
record
of
decision.
A
Pretty
good
commissioners
can
I
have
a
motion.
Please.
D
A
Yes,
for
the
extension,
thank
you
kenton
aye,
yes
mike
mike
bella,
aye,
carlton,
hi
and
michael
I
passes
unanimously.
Thank
you
all
right,
very
good.
Thank
you.
Is
there
any
other
items.
A
All
right,
let's
move
now
to
general
public
comments,
are
there
any
for
the
the
historical
landmark
commission
this
evening.
Anyone
that
wishes
to
do
so.
Now
is
the
time
and
cindy.
I
believe
you
had
had
a
comment.
Yes,
please.
F
Okay,
despite
my
two-year
absence
this
one
works
tonight,
I
am
still
cindy
cromer.
Your
dropbox
should
contain
luminous
photographs
taken
by
jack
davis
late
on
a
january
afternoon,
as
he
walked
around
the
block
which
contains
his
home
and
western
gardens.
Two
nights
ago,
the
city
council
held
a
hearing
on
the
rezoning
of
western
gardens
to
fvun2,
despite
objections
to
this
zone
from
residents
and
business
owners
in
central
9th
ballpark
and
the
central
city
neighborhoods.
F
There
is
an
unfortunate
intrusion
at
the
new
house,
apartments
I'll
say
no
more
about
that
project.
On
another
night,
then
there
are
turn-of-the-century
houses,
truck
full
of
original
glass
and
doorways.
They
lead
to
the
former
hale
market,
which
is
queued
up
for
a
makeover
on
500
east
at
521,
south
on
500
east
there's,
a
three
and
a
half
story
walk
up
which
survived
a
fire,
followed
by
one
of
my
most
favorite
infill
projects
at
537,
south
four
new
units
and
two
historic
ones:
blending
seamlessly
into
the
streetscape.
F
There
are
eight
units
in
single-family
and
duplex
houses
on
either
side
of
hawthorne,
but
hawthorne
is
the
gem
with
its
views
of
the
trolley
barns
and
the
mountains
at
the
end
of
the
street
of
14
bungalows,
the
essence
of
this
working
class
neighborhood
at
the
corner.
There's
another
three
and
a
half
story
walk
up
north
park,
and
then
you
see
the
remarkable
streetscape
with
all
structures
characteristic
of
the
neighborhood
and
two
on
the
upcoming
historic
home
tour
in
may.
It
doesn't
get
much
better
than
this
block
in
the
central
city.
Historic
district
is
it.
F
A
A
Very
well,
let's,
let's
start
with
public
hearings,.
H
They
are
requesting
to
change
out
the
windows
on
the
front
facade
of
the
property,
and
I
have
just
a
vicinity
map
shown
on
the
screen
here
to
orient
everybody.
This
is
on
f
street
and
it
is
one
house
in
from
the
corner
of
f
street
and
second
avenue.
It's
a
beautiful
brick
home.
You
can
see
the
historic
archive
photo
on
the
left
hand,
side
of
the
screen.
H
So
we
delved
more
deeply
into
the
findings
and
the
review
of
the
standards
as
part
of
the
staff
report,
but
just
to
go
over
those
in
the
meeting
here.
The
findings
that
we
made
were
that
the
existing
windows
are
not
in
need
of
repair.
They
appear
to
be
in
operating
condition.
We
were
not
able
to
determine
that
there
was
any
damage
done
to
them,
at
least
from
viewing
them
from
the
outside.
H
H
Additionally,
these
windows
are
located
on
the
front
facade.
It
is
also
the
city
policy
that
windows
on
the
front
facade
contribute
significantly
to
the
historic
character
of
a
structure
and
again
those
should
be
repaired
wherever
possible
and
not
replaced
and
then
finally,
the
design
and
the
material
of
the
proposed
windows
are
not
supported
by
the
residential
design
guidelines,
specifically
chapter
five,
which
govern
the
windows.
Excuse
me
chapter
three
which
govern
the
windows:
those
encourage
windows
that
excuse
me.
H
They
encourage
the
windows
that
will
be
coming
in
in
place
of
the
originals
to
mimic
the
texture
and
the
form
of
the
existing
windows
to
the
greatest
extent
possible.
The
proposed
windows
do
not
match
the
profile
of
the
existing
windows,
and
the
proportions
of
the
openings
in
those
windows
are,
of
course,
different
from
the
originals.
H
H
E
I
Okay,
thanks
for
letting
us
clean
our
case,
I
just
have
three
simple
points.
The
first
is
that
we
absolutely
respect
and
appreciate
the
the
notion
of
maintaining
the
historical
value
of
our
neighborhood
and
keeping
it
beautiful
and
historic.
I
The
second
is
that
we
recognize
that
and
would
like
to
change
the
windows
to
accommodate
and
maintain
the
historical
nature
of
those
windows,
and
so
I'd
be
curious
to
hear
by
the
commission
by
what
metric
you
decided.
These
were
not
in
good
standing
or
consistent
with
the
previous
windows.
I
It
seems
rather
subjective
and
I'd
like
to
to
hear
some
objective.
Verification
of
that,
and
the
third
is
the
reason
that
we
want
to
change.
I
The
windows
is
purely
because
we
are
losing
heat
in
the
winter
and
losing
coolness
in
the
summer
because
of
the
thin
pain,
glass,
and
so
this
is
causing
us
to
use
more
greenhouse
gas
emissions
and
higher
energy
costs
to
maintain
a
normal
temperature
in
the
house,
and
I
think
that,
given
the
crisis
of
global
warming,
diminishing
greenhouse
gas
emissions
is
an
essential
and
necessary
component
of
you
know
combating
climate
change.
So
those
are
my
three
points.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
J
H
H
H
So
we
do
try
to
work
with
the
applicants
wherever
it's
possible
and
when
it's
supported
with
the
design
guidelines.
However,
in
this
case,
since
they
are
so
visible
and
are
on
the
primary
facade,
we
informed
the
applicants
that
the
proposed
windows
wouldn't
wouldn't
meet
the
design
guidelines
and
that
we'd
suggested
that
they
find
something
else.
They'd
opted
to
move
forward
with
the
currently
proposed
windows.
D
H
H
H
E
Caitlin,
can
you
verify
that
applicant
that
spoke
related
to
the
petition,
I'm
not
sure
that
we
got
their
name
for
the
record
and
it
might
be
something
different
than
that
is
on
the
sheet.
Absolutely.
H
H
Sorry
can
you
would
you
like
to
come,
give
your
name
for
the
record
sure
thank
you.
I
So
my
name
is
michael
last
name:
werner
w-e-r-n-e-r,.
A
F
This
is
not
hard.
There
have
been
three
workshops:
training
people
to
deal
with
wood
windows.
There
are
contractors
in
town
who
specialize
in
this.
There
is
another
workshop
coming
up
at
the
end
of
this
month
that
is
very
affordable
in
terms
of
its
cost,
and
no
one
is
talking
about
the
glass
which
is
a
historic
element
of
the
house.
F
A
A
Okay,
very
good,
let
me
go,
let's
go
ahead
and
close
the
public
hearing
concerning
114
north
f
street,
and
is
there
any
other
items
that
you
would
like
to
speak
to,
sir?
Concerning
this.
A
Okay,
very
well,
all
right:
let's,
let's
move
to
executive
session.
B
C
I
I
would
agree,
I
think
I
appreciate
the
comment
regarding
the
historic
glass
which
I
agree
does
make
a
substantial
difference
in
the
appearance.
The
other
thing
that
is
mentioned
in
the
staff
report-
that
I
think
is
also
essential
to
be
maintained,
is
the
the
proportion
of
the
pains
which,
in
walking
around
the
avenues
neighborhood,
you
do
see
that
proportion
quite
often-
and
I
think
that's
a
substantial
portion
of
the
of
the
historic
character
of
the
home.
C
So
I
would
I
guess
we
can't
require
that,
but
that
would
be
something
that
I
would
hope
to
see
in
a
proposal
for
a
for
a
certificate
of
appropriateness.
In
this
case.
D
Well
and
I'm
confused
about
the
window,
the
old
original
windows
are
lead
glass,
yes,
cindy.
D
B
B
A
I
A
We're
we're
an
executive
session
now
christian
there's
any
other
comments
very
well
cindy.
I
think
you
said
you
would
raise
motion.
D
I
will
do
a
motion.
My
name
is
not
cindy
regarding
pl
nhlc
2022-00180,
based
on
the
analysis
and
findings
and
the
staff
report,
the
information
presented
and
then
put
received
during
the
public
hearing.
I
move
that
the
historic
landmark
commission
denied
the
request
for
window
replacements
petition,
which
I
just
mentioned.
The
number
the
request
fails
to
substantially
comply
with
the
standards
of
approval
for
certificate
of
appropriateness,
for
alterations
to
a
contributing
structure
in
21a
34020g.
A
G
A
Kenton
aye
mike
bella,
aye,
carlton,
hi
and
michael
aye
very
well.
The
the
motion
passes
in
accordance
with
the
staff
recommendation
to
to
deny
this
request.
Thank
you.
All
right.
H
We
have
before
you
another
window
request
this
time
it
is
at
129,
west,
400
north.
This
is
an
enforcement
case.
We
we
did
receive
a
complaint
from
an
anonymous
source
to
our
civil
enforcement
division,
that
there
had
been
some
substantial
work
undertaken
at
the
subject
property
when
the
inspector
went
out.
He
confirmed
that
and
the
applicant
has
now
applied
for
the
required
building
permits
and,
of
course,
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
the
replacement
of
the
windows
oops.
H
H
H
So
the
applicant
has
replaced
the
main
windows
in
the
bay,
as
well
as
the
two
smaller
windows,
seen
above
the
front
porch
and
the
larger
window
to
the
left
of
the
front
door
in
the
porch.
This
is
a
survey
photograph
showing
the
historic
windows,
and
this
is
the
home
with
the
windows
that
have
been
installed.
These
are
again
a
vinyl
white
window.
H
H
So
staff
looked
at
all
of
these
windows
and
noticed
that
several
of
them
are
not
readily
visible
from
the
public
right-of-way
and
could
very
well
be
approved
administratively.
However,
there
are
also
several
that
would
not
qualify
for
administrative
approval,
which
again
is
why
this
request
has
been
brought
to
the
historic
landmark
commission.
H
D
H
All
correct
all
of
these
windows
are
vinyl
and
they
did
replace
wood
framed
windows.
That's
correct!
The
applicant
has
not
done
any
work
to
the
brick.
Thankfully,
it
has
not
been
bricks
have
not
been
removed
or
painted.
In
this
case
there
is
a
window
located
in
the
kitchen.
I
don't
know
if
you
can
see
you
can
kind
of
see
the
cursor
over
here,
but
the
windows
towards
the
back
of
the
home
here
are
smaller
than
the
opening
in
the
brick.
H
Of
course
it
would
be
the
ones
on
the
front
facade
as
well
as
those
two
on
the
western
facade,
where
the
brick
opening
has
been
kind
of
enclosed
by
that
wood
board.
But,
as
you
know,
stuff
always
recommends
that.
Well,
I
guess
the
the
standards
always
recommend
that
there
not
be
a
wholesale
replacement
of
windows
on
historic
properties
that
we
review
each
one
of
them
individually
and
see
what
the
best
the
best
the
best
plan
to
move
forward
with
those
would
be.
H
So.
Unfortunately,
in
this
case,
these
windows
have
been
replaced
wholesale.
These
ones
on
the
front
facade
of
the
home,
were
a
highly
character
defining
feature.
I
think,
as
as
we
can
all
agree,
they
had
substantial
decorative
wooden
trim
and
those
have
been,
of
course,
replaced
with
the
vinyl
which
do
not
match
the
original
profile
of
the
windows,
they're
not
of
the
same
material,
and
they
do
not
have
the
same
amount
of
decorative
features
that
contribute
to
the
historic
character
of
the
building.
H
H
The
applicant
is
also
here
this
evening
and
he
did
provide
several
photographs
of
other
homes
within
the
neighborhood
that
he
he
took,
that
he
says
supports
the
use
of
vinyl
windows
and
we
have
that
on
the
laptop
here
for
him
whenever
he
is
ready.
Additionally,
in
your
dropbox
you'll
see
that
you
do
have
a
voicemail
from
a
neighbor
who
is
in
who
called
in
support
of
this
request
and
then
in
the
staff
report.
There
is
also
an
email
from
another
neighbor
who
who
corresponded
in
opposition
to
this
request.
A
Any
questions
I
do
just
just
to
be
clear.
Basically,
what
you're
saying
is
the
windows
on
the
non-front
are
on
are
approved,
with
the
exception
of
the
windows
that
were
a
little
bit
too
small
for
the
original
opening
correct.
E
E
H
C
Yeah
I
have
a
question:
the
photograph
of
the
rear
of
the
house.
There
was
one
window
that
you
didn't
mention
the
the
two
above
have
been
replaced
and
there
was
one
that
was
not
visible,
that's
been
replaced,
but
the
the
fourth
one
is
original.
K
Thanks
for
your
time,
I
appreciate
being
here:
are
the
photos
just
on
here?
I
just
click
through
I'll
have
to
I
don't
do
start
tour.
Do
I?
No.
K
K
She
had
sent
me
over
the
email
in
preparation
to
come
to
this.
There
wasn't
a
complaint
that
came
through
you
guys,
probably
have
it
on
your
on
your
desktops
there,
it's
the
last,
probably
the
last
document
you'll
see
and
it's
from
a
lady
with
the
last
name
heart.
I
imagine
it's
a
lady
and
she
had
just
mentioned
here
on
that
there
was
a
window
removed
with
stained
glass.
K
I
would
have
loved
seeing
that
because
there
was
never
stained
glass
there.
If
you
can
imagine
the
expense
in
stained
glass
that
would
have
never
been
removed.
If
you
see
this
is
the
after,
I
had
sent
pictures
in.
I
don't
know
if
they're
here
I
had
sent
pictures
to
caitlyn.
Are
they
on
here?
Excuse
me,
I
don't
know
what
order
these
are
in.
K
K
I
sent
updated
photography
of
the
of
the
front
of
the
home,
proving
that
there
was
no
stained
glass
now.
I
don't
necessarily
sorry
sorry,
I'm
trying
to
find
this
here,
but
it's
not
here,
but
there
was
a
previous
picture
that
I
sent
over
this
home
that
I
purchased
was
was
not
lived
in
for
some
years.
It
was
used
as
a
storage
unit,
and
so,
as
you
can
imagine,
there
was
a
lot
of
floors
inside
there
was
on.
It
was
very,
very
unkept.
The
windows
didn't
work
and
many
were
broken.
K
K
I,
on
the
purchase
of
these
homes,
excuse
me
on
the
purchase
of
the
windows.
I'd
simply
looked
around
and
look
at
the
other
houses
next
to
me
next
door,
the
home,
that's
literally
next
door
to
me-
has
vinyl
windows
across
the
street.
Has
vinyl
windows
there's
over
50
percent
of
the
homes
within
just
two
blocks.
I
stopped
walking
after
two
blocks
that
either
has
received
a
commission
acceptance
or
not
and
didn't
go
through
the
same
process.
K
I
happily
went
through
the
same
process
when
I
learned
that
this
was
needed
and
I've
I've
talked
very
often
with
caitlyn
about
the
entire
process.
I
don't
mind
the
process
I
just
wish.
I
would
have
known
about
this
earlier
with
that
being
the
case.
She
talked
with
me
about
the
process
and
I
said
well:
what
do
we
do
with
the
other
homes
in
the
area?
K
Totally
fine,
obeying
the
rules,
if
it's
also
fair
along
the
board
over
50
percent
of
the
homes
in
the
area
in
this
district
also
has
homes-
and
I
excuse
me
also-
has
vinyl
windows
and
I'm
not
just
talking
about
the
sides
within
those
homes
they
have
also
on
the
removal
of
the
wood
windows
or
whatever
the
material
was
before
removed
in
the
construction.
Now
I
could
do
construction
for
a
business
right.
They
also
removed
the
very
nice
trim,
woodwork
around
you're,
going
to
help
me
out
here.
K
Thank
you
so,
and
it
was
probably
a
mess
going
through
it
trying
to
find
this
stuff.
So
I
apologize
about
that
they're,
probably
getting
a
little
blurry
out
here,
so
I
just
took
a
couple
pictures
just
just
to
state
even
homes.
Right
next
to
me.
Had
these
same
things,
I
understand.
If
there's
complaints
around,
I
can't
control
my
neighbors.
Unfortunately,
we've
been
nothing
but
kind
to
them,
but
I
also
understand
incorrect
complaints
and
thank
you.
This
was
it.
K
K
So
there's
a
couple
things
as
I
dissected
the
report
that
we're
different
right
in
the
two
windows
that
I
that
in
the
front
facades
of
the
windows,
all
my
windows,
that
I
replace
have
the
exact
same
opening
the
exact
same
opening
on
here
here.
These
are
all
these
are
picture
windows,
so
they
don't
have
openings
all
of
the
track.
These
are
called
transom
windows.
All
the
transom
windows
are
the
same,
not
removed
throughout
the
inside
of
the
home
as
well.
This
is
an
exterior,
so
we'll
stick
to
that.
K
It
does
not
have
this.
Of
course
it
does
not
have
this.
If
I
would
have
known
that
case,
I
would
have
ordered
the
windows
custom
to
have
that.
The
only
wood
that
was
removed
in
all
of
the
removal
of
my
windows
was
this
and
this
and
this,
if
granted,
I
will
customize
that
and
replace
that
back,
but
none
of
this
was
removed.
None
of
this
removed.
None
of
this
was
removed.
If
I
could
go
back
to
the
other
ones,
if
we're
done
here,
I
could
show
you
I'm
sorry.
K
If
I,
if
I
saw
how
you
did
this,
should
I
go
to
cl
photos
I'll
just
let
you
take
control.
Thank
you.
I
appreciate
that.
Thank
you,
and
so
I
went
through
the
other
home
saying.
Okay,
what
can
I
do
better,
and
should
I
even
approach
this
commission,
or
should
I
just
fix
them?
There's
a
lot
of
homes
throughout
next
door
across
the
street
a
couple
away.
There
are
full
vinyl
windows
right
this
one
right
here,
full
vinyl
window.
This
one
did
not
remove
the
casing.
K
So
I'll
just
go
through
here
and
keep
strolling,
so
you
can
see
them.
I
don't
plan
to
change
the
exterior
brick
of
the
home.
I
will
stay
on.
The
sides
of
the
kitchen
coat
has
changed
in
the
years
right.
The
countertops
are
a
different
height,
so
there
is
a
need
to
to
raise
the
windows
in
some
areas
to
be
able
to
stick
to
countertop
height
requirements
for
a
kitchen,
and
so
we've
we've
planned
on
doing
that
to
those
windows
that
are
right
there
by
the
sink.
K
I
have
artisans
brick
masons,
who
plant,
who
I
plan
on
bringing
in
I've
done
multi-million
dollar
homes
before
this
would
be
very
high.
Class
it'll
match
the
exact
same
brick
of
the
exterior,
because
we
have
a
lot
of
brick
in
the
basement
that
was
left
there
previous
that
matches
the
exact
same
brick
of
the
home
on
the
exterior,
but
I'll
just
finish
this
up
here.
K
K
Let's
say
this
is
pink
or
peach,
I'm
totally
fine.
Changing
that
to
that
color
you'll
see
the
craftsmanship
as
it
was
installed
granted.
This
was
not
installed,
that's
just
showing
the
transom,
and
so
these
are.
These
are
all
the
pictures
but
yeah,
that's
the
presentation.
I
would
love
to
to
hear
any
feedback
and
see
if
I
can
answer
any
questions.
D
Well,
you
gave
us
a
lot
of
photos
of
illegal
windows
and
that
justification
doesn't
work
here.
Unfortunately,
for
you,
when
you
purchased
the
property,
it
was
on
your
title
report
that
it
was
in
a
historic
district.
D
K
D
Before
you
have
now,
and
unfortunately,
a
lot
of
the
character
has
been
lost
here,
we're
trying
to
preserve
the
historic
district
in
the
historic
look
and
just
those
two
windows
alone
added
so
much
charm
and
personality
to
that,
and
now
it's
that's
been
wiped
out
and
it
is
basically
illegal
to
put
in
vinyl
windows
on
front
facing
in
historic
districts.
D
K
The
complaint
that
I
saw
it
was
a
complaint
that
was
incorrect
and
that's
all
I
was
bringing
here
stating
that
that
we
removed
a
stained
glass
window
which
was
incorrect.
D
A
Very
good
I'm
going
to
I'm
going
to
open
the
public
hearing
for
for
the
property
on
129
west
400
north.
Are
there
any
public
comments?
A
L
L
G
G
I
hate
to
out
myself,
but
here
we
go,
I'm
the
one
who
called
in
the
original
complaint.
It
was
not
the
person
who
submitted
this
thing
with
the
stained
glass
window.
How
would
we
know
if
it
had
a
stained
glass
window
at
this
point
because
it's
gone?
I
walked
my
dogs
past
there
every
day
and
I
immediately
saw
it.
I've
been
inside
that
house,
the
ladies
who
lived
there
were
hoarders,
so
there
was
a
lot
of
stuff
inside.
G
I
could
see
where
you
wouldn't
know,
maybe
what
the
window
looked
like,
but
I
went
through
it
after
everything
was
out
and
in
fact,
when
the
windows
were,
you
know
visible
to
the
street.
Everything
was
already
removed,
but
my
my
concern
here
is
it's
another
case
of
well.
I
didn't
know
it
was
in
a
historic
district
and
the
problem
is,
you
know
he
mentioned
that.
Well,
I
don't
mind
the
process,
I
don't
mind
following
the
rules.
G
The
thing
is,
you
have
an
affirmative
responsibility
when
you
buy
something-
and
I
know
because
I
have
sought
multiple
permits
in
this
district-
that
our
city
people
do
an
excellent
job
of
saying
wait
a
minute.
This
is
the
address
whether
it's
building
permits
that
they
send
you
back
down
and
say
you
need
to
speak
with
the
folks
in
historic.
G
They
do
their
jobs,
there's
no
way
that
either
this
gentleman
or
his
representatives
got
out
of
there
without
somebody
saying
hey
by
the
way,
are
you
doing
anything
on
the
outside
of
it
and
in
fact
I
pulled
up
the
building
permits
before
I
called
it
in
and
on
the
building?
Permit
he
didn't
ask
for
anything
any
permitting
for
the
exterior
of
the
property
doesn't
ask
for
windows.
He
didn't
mention
anything.
He
said
we're
going
to
be
moving
the
kitchen
or
doing
something
in
the
kitchen
and
removing
a
wall.
G
So
I
looked
at
the
plans
when
this
was
filed
and
he's
mentioned
the
windows
that
need
to
be
shortened
because
of
the
kitchen
he's
moving
the
kitchen
to
a
different
room.
So
that's
a
problem
that
he's
creating
and
you
can
work
and
be
creative
around
those
I've
done.
I
don't
remember
how
many
properties
now
in
historic
districts,
I'm
also
a
general
contractor
and
and
you
can
move
things
around
and
make
them
fit
what
these
buildings
are.
My
view
on
these
buildings
is
that
we
are
just
passing
through.
G
G
G
I
won't
do
one
in
a
historic
district
and
I'm
secretly,
you
know
clapping,
because
if
they
have
that
kind
of
resistance,
even
though
it
is
a
more
tedious
and
difficult
process,
admittedly,
if
they
have
that
kind
of
resistance
to
it,
I'm
glad
they're
not
willing
to
work
within
one
because
it
takes
a
different
level
of
commitment,
and
so
just
some
of
the
notes.
Looking
over
here.
Okay,
I
got
that.
Oh
one
thing
you
mentioned
the
artisans
and
bricklayers
that
requires
approval
from
the
historic
district.
G
If
you
guys
repoint
the
brick
on
the
outside,
if
you
do
anything
anything
to
the
outsides,
that
requires
approval
of
the
historic
district.
So
I
just
hope
that
or
the
the
the
panel
that
that's
probably
an
administrative
decision,
but
you
do
have
to
go
before
them
and
ask
them.
G
G
Okay,
just
pointing
out
the
cost
in
vinyl
versus
wood,
we
just
got
a
window
bid.
Thirty
two
thousand
dollars
versus
about
four
to
five
thousand
for
vinyl
there's
a
different
there's,
a
reason
why
people
go
for
vinyl
and
a
lot
of
it
is
because
of
the
cost,
but
I
think
these
whole
houses
are
a
resource
that
we
have
to
protect
and
we
need
to
treat
with
the
respect
they
deserve.
Thank
you.
A
A
All
right,
I'm
gonna,
let's
close
the
public
hearing
and
offer
to
the
applicant,
that's
what
I'm
doing
now,
yeah
and
so
closing
the
the
public
hearing,
but
allowing
the
applicant
to
to
respond
to
anything
that
was
said
during
the
public
hearing.
I
appreciate
that.
K
I
appreciate
the
people
chatting
there's
no
offense
taken
to
that
or
excuse
me
presenting
there's
no
offense
taken
to
that.
We
felt
that
we
moving
the
kitchen
actually
avoided
issues,
there's
more
windows,
doors
on
the
opposite
side
of
the
home
than
on
the
other
side.
We
only
need
to
remove
or
we
only
need
to
bring
one
door
or
one
window
up
as
opposed
to
the
other
side.
A
Very
good,
thank
you,
sir.
Let's
move
now
into
executive
session,
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
start
this
discussion,
because
I
I
think
it's
important
in
that
there
are
when,
when
we
enter
this,
this
commission
we're
given
the
the
information
about
what
it
is
we're
to
be
doing
and
and
what
what
it
is
we're
to
be
looking
at
and
what
what
this
commission
is
is
about
is
protecting
the
the
historic
nature
of
of
these
areas
and
in
large
measure,
the
fenestration
of
buildings.
A
These
historic
homes
is
a
major
major
part
of
what
these
buildings
look
and
feel
like.
I
I
just
I
you
know,
and
we
we
we
really
limit
our
our
review
to
what's
facing
the
street.
You
know
the
what
what
the
applicant
does
to
to
the
non-contributing
sides
is
is
really
you
know,
because
of
energy,
and
you
know
any
one
of
a
number
of
things,
but
what
happens
on
the
front
of
the
street?
Maintaining
the
historic
nature
of
the
street
is
what
we're
all
about
in
in
this
commission,
so
I
just
want
to.
C
Sure
yeah
I
mean
it
seems
to
me
that
the
the
most
important
element
that's
currently
missing
is
perhaps
the
lower
window,
which
featured
the
dental
molding
within
the
frame.
That
seems
to
me
to
be
a
pretty
essential
part
of
the
historic
character
of
the
house.
That's
that's
now,
unfortunately
gone
and
yeah
I
I
would
be
very
hesitant
to
approve
or
to
provide
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
these
windows
that
have
unfortunately,
eliminated
much
of
that
as
to
our
character.
So
I
I
concur
with
the
staff
report.
Pretty
good.
B
A
J
A
C
Yeah,
thank
you
a
few
observations
from
my
perspective
on
this
first,
I
appreciate
the
public
comments.
C
I
think,
there's
an
interesting
dichotomy
that
occurs
when
people
don't
want
to
work
in
historic
districts,
because
they
think
that
it's
too
onerous,
but
having
done
a
lot
of
work
in
historic
districts,
it's
only
onerous
when
you
don't
want
to
do
it
right.
If
you
want
to
do
it
right,
the
process
is
very
simple
and
very
straightforward.
C
C
Clearly,
this
was
not
met
and,
moreover,
that
the
contractor
is
responsible
for
making
sure
that
all
required
permits
and
approvals
have
been
obtained,
which
also
has
not
occurred.
So
from
my
view,
there
are
multiple
issues
here,
it's
unfortunate
what
has
been
lost.
We
can
only
hope
to
restore
as
much
as
possible.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you.
I've
been,
I
believe,
that
all
of
the
commissioners
have
spoken,
and
so
I
want
to
make
be
very
careful
in
that.
The
staff's
recommendation
was
two-fold
to
approve
in
part
and
to
deny
in
part.
So
is
there
a
motion
from
the
commissioners?
Please.
C
The
information
presented
in
the
input
received
during
the
public
hearing
I
moved
to
the
historical
landmark
commission
approve
the
request
for
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
in
part
for
replacement
of
all
the
windows
on
the
eastern
and
southern
facades
and
for
windows,
b1,
b2,
s5
and
s6
on
the
western
facade
as
diagrammed
within
the
staff
report,
the
commission
finds
that
these
windows
substantially
comply
with
the
standards
of
approval
for
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
alterations
to
a
contributing
structure.
In
section
21a,
21a.34.020.g.
D
A
Kenton
hi
michael
me:
yes,
I
carlton
hi
and
michael
abramson.
Hi
very
good
motion
passes
as
as
noted,
that
was
a
partial,
an
approval
and
a
denial
as
as
syndicated.
Thank
you.
D
M
M
So
the
you
actually
reviewed
this
in
a
work
session
in
january,
and
so
this
is
but
it
does
does
lead
it's
a
good
segue
into.
What
I
wanted
to
comment
on
is
that
that
this
proposal
and
our
recommendations
have
changed
over
the
past
a
week
or
so
pretty
substantially,
and
so
the
the
staff
report
that
you're
seeing
is
is
the
one
that
was
posted
on
on
friday.
M
Since
then,
we've
discussed
some
additional
information
that
we
felt
was
needed
with
the
applicant.
They
have
supplied
additional
information,
but
it
wasn't
in
time
to
get
posted.
M
In
discussions
with
legal
counsel,
the
the
recommendation
was
that
we
give
you
all
a
recommendation
that
the
proposal
be
tabled
in
order
to
work
through
those
issues,
and
I
want
to
make
it
clear
that
the
issues
identified
are
were
not
the
result
of
the
the
applicants
anything.
The
applicant
did
they're
related
to
process
issues
and
information
issues
that
were
generated
by
this,
this
staff
member.
M
So
I
apologize
to
all
of
you
and
to
the
applicants
and
to
those
who
are
here
that
we
don't
have
a
solid
up
down
recommendation
either
way.
Today
I
am.
This
is
actually
the
other
proposal.
A
A
M
D
M
I
know
that
there's
significant
interest
here
there
there
are
people
here
from
the
neighborhood
as
as
well
as
from
the
school
who
would
definitely
like
to
present
their
their
information.
I
will
try
to
abbreviate
this
as
much
as
possible,
but
thank
you
for
hearing
my
my
note.
There.
A
M
I
am
not,
I
am
not
they.
The
present,
the
applicants
have
a
presentation
that
includes
changes.
Those
we
received
those
this
this
week
after
the
posting
date,
and
you
have
not
re.
You
have
not
seen
them
and
I
am
giving
this
presentation
as
if
I
have
not
seen
them
either.
M
The
the
project
request
is
outlined
here,
the
the
madeleine
choir
school.
I
won't
read
the
whole
thing,
but
it
that
shows
the
the
general
location
on
the
block
of
where
the
building
is
proposed
and
these
other
buildings
on
the
campus.
The
the
choir
school
is
the
former
roland
hall
st
marks
school
campus
and
is
a
salt
lake
city
landmark
site.
In
addition
to
be
being
located
in
the
avenue's
historic
district.
M
The
applicants
are
proposing
a
new
field
house
that
includes
supporting
program
spaces
and
additional
classroom
space
for
the
school's
early
childhood
development
program.
These
are
the
approval
requirements
that
the
the
building
has
to
comply
with.
They
include
the
the
base
institutional
district
zoning
standards.
M
M
You
can
see
the
rendering
of
the
proposed
building
for
its
main
entrance
at
the
south
west
corner
of
the
site,
which
is
adjacent
to
the
existing
urban
hall
on
the
left
and
then
on
the
right,
saint
elizabeth
and
seton
hall.
Both
were
historic
buildings.
The
urban
hall
was
the
main
primary
building
for
the
campus
until
roland
hall
left
in
2002.
M
I'd
really
like
to
note
that
I
was
here
as
a
staff
member
at
the
time,
and
there
were
there
were
serious
questions
about
when
roland
hall
moved
out
what
was
going
to
happen
with
this.
This
campus
and
the
expectation
was
that
we
were
going
to
be
dealing
with
a
demolition
application.
M
So
when
madeline
choir
school
came
in
and
took
over
the
property,
that
was
I
I
don't
mean
to
be
trite,
but
it
was
a
blessing
in
a
way
and
it
seemed
like
a
perfect
fit
and
they
have
continued
to
be
an
excellent
steward
of
these
important
historic
buildings
over
the
since
they
they
purchased
them
in
2003.
M
Sorry
this
was
a
technical
thing.
Obviously,
the
first
issue
of
note
is
that
the
it
related
to
the
building's
overall
forum
scale
and
massing
the
the
general
impression
and
comments
at
the
work
session
were
that
it
was
boxy
that
would
that
was
a
quote.
That's
related
we'll
note
in
large
member
measure
to
the
programmatic
demands
of
a
school
gymnasium,
which
constitutes
the
majority
of
this
building
and
the
after
the
discussion.
M
The
applicants
responded
to
this
issue
by
providing
additional
renderings
and
a
street
state
scuba
study.
You
can
see
a
portion
of
here
showing
the
rhythm
and
proportions
of
openings
of
the
surrounding
buildings
on
the
streetscape.
M
M
Should
be
noted
that
the
original
submittal
was
unclear
on
the
overall
height
of
the
building
on
each
elevation
so
that
when
you
reviewed
that
in
the
work
session
that
wasn't
clear
and
in
addition,
the
rooftop
play
space
barrier
was
not
initially
figured
into
the
overall
height
and
needed.
Clarifying.
M
M
You
can
see
two
two
views
here:
actually,
the
the
same
building
kind
of
different
levels
of
detail
on
the
elevation,
the
the
bottom
shows
the
additional
landscaping
that
they've
supplied
and
then
on
the
top.
The
that
shows
the
additional
details
and
a
revised
design
in
which
the
vertical
blick
brick
cladding
along
the
b
street
facade,
incorporates
subtle
articulation
with
a
depth
ranging
from
six
to
eight
inches,
and
I'm
sure
the
applicants
will
get
into
this
and
there.
M
Was
also
the
the
discussion
of
adding
windows
to
this,
this
gymnasium
side
space
so
that
there's
there's
more
engagement
with
the
street
is.
D
M
M
D
D
M
On
on
second
avenue,
it's
it's
staff's
opinion
that
this
is.
This
is
a
more
engaging
facade
and
a
little
more
lively
streetscape
with
the
the
windows
arranged
in
a
more
regular
pattern
and
the
the
glass
fiber
reinforced
concrete
panels
kind
of
echoing
the
the
multi-colored
glazing
on
the
rest
of
the
on
other
portions
of
the
building.
M
M
M
Needed
needs
additional
time
to
determine
that
that
drop-off
area
it
whether
or
not
it
could
be
allowed
under
the
ordinance
and
whether
or
not
those
that
it
could
be
redesigned
to
either
be
a
drop-off
area
or
if
it
will
just
be
an
the
main
entrance
for
that
early
childhood
center.
M
The
parking
that
they
currently
use
is
there.
There
are
12
spaces
in
that
little
lot
there
most
of
the
parking
is
shared
with
the
lds
church
building,
which
is
a
block
to
the
north.
On
a
street.
There
are
two
parking
lots
that
it,
I
think
about.
90
90
choose
stalls.
The
applicant
will
have
that
information
without
me,
searching
for
it,
but.
M
No,
they
would.
We
have
to
the
the
current
agreement
is
a
shared
parking
agreement
where
they
use
that
space
when
the
the
church
doesn't-
and
we
have
done
some
preliminary
review
of
that.
M
And
at
this
point
we
will
say
that
it
will
need
to
comply
with
the
city
requirements
for
parking
and
that's
part
of
the
additional
analysis
as
well.
Excuse.
A
M
C
M
In
place
back
in
the
in
the
mid
80s
at
the
very
least,
and
it's
been
a
written
agreement
that
they
can
supply,
there
are
requirements
for
shared
parking
that
are
located
in
the
zoning
ordinance
and
that
will
be
another
part
of
the
analysis.
C
If
I
can
ask
a
question,
though,
it
wasn't,
isn't
part
of
the
driver
of
this,
the
fact
that
there
was
also
an
agreement
to
use
the
church's
gymnasium
that
has
since
expired
and
not
been
renewed.
I
mean,
I
think,
that
part
prior
to
the
issue
about
is
the
parking
in
the
same
constitution
situation.
Is
that
the
possibility
that
it
would
not
at
some
point
in
time
be
renewed,
which
would
create
a
significant
problem
in
the
area.
M
Well,
I
can
say
that
the
part
of
the
requirements
for
shared
parking
like
this
is
that
there
is
a
an
agreement
recorded.
M
Before
the
building
permit
for
the
project
is
issued
and
that
parking
agreement
can't
be
rescinded,
I
guess
I'm
looking
for
a
word,
but
it
can't
be.
It
can't
be
removed
as
part
of
the
shared
parking
unless
there
are
provisions
made
for
other
parking,
so
this
would
be
it
would
be
necessary
to
have
either
these
parking
stalls
shared
with
the
church
remain,
or
they
would
down
the
road.
If
that
were
to
be
developed
in
another
way,
those
those
stalls
would
have
to
be
accounted
for
somewhere.
That's
the
requirement
of
the
the
base
zoning
ordinance.
M
M
There
was-
I,
I
don't
know
if
it
made
it
to
everyone's
dropbox
in
time
for
the
review
for
you
to
review
it,
but
gregory
glenn
that
the
the
head
of
school
provided
comments
this
this
this
morning
regarding
a
lot
of
these
parking
issues
and
you
can
find
it
in
your
dropbox
there,
there
was
a
lot
of
public
comment,
but
it's
it's
singled
out
in
your
in
that
folder
for
public
comment
there
and
he
is
part
of
the
the
applicants.
M
So,
with
all
of
those
issues
in
mind,
the
the
the
third
issue
were
concerned,
the
materials
elements
of
detailing
you
know
there
were.
There
were
some
issues,
as
shown
in
the
staff
report,
where
it
was
unclear
in
comparison
and
compare
and
comparing
the
renderings
and
the
elevations
and
the
floor
plans
as
to
where
windows
were
located,
and
things
like
that.
M
A
One
of
the
things
that
we
did
talk
about
nelson
was
was
the
amount
of
glazing.
You
know
that
you
could
see
out
in
the
activation
on
the
street.
There
was
a
particular
wall
section,
as
I
recall,
and
it
showed
any
of
the
glazing
was
very
high,
not
not
low,
and
that
that
was
that
was
part
of
the
work
session
that
that
we
we
thought
that
there
was
a
need
for
more
activation
at
the
street,
and
so
that
that
was
that's.
What
I
was
recalling
was
through
the
work
session,
comments,
correct,
yeah,.
M
Yeah
they've
they've
addressed
that
by
on
at
least
on
the
b
street
elevation,
where
it
where
it
was
most
apparent
by,
like
I
said,
varying
that
brickwork,
so
that
there's
some
back
and
forth
in
the
you
know
the
vertical
brick
alignments
and
then
you
know,
there's
some
of
those
spaces
that
align
on
that
module
have
windows
as
well.
M
So
our
recommendation
at
this
point
as
I've
noted,
must
be
to
table
the
application
at
this
time
to
determine
the
the
proposal
complies
with
all
c
city
requirements,
as
well
as
any
other
issues
identified
by
the
commission
as
part
of
your
review
tonight.
We
would
then
resolve
those
and
bring
it
back
to
the
commission.
E
Bob's
leaving
leaves
us
without
a
quorum,
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
she's
back
before
we
continue
any
further.
M
M
This
is
just
an
outline
of
the
public
notification
process.
It
was
presented
to
the
greater
avenues
community
council,
as
well
as
to
the
community,
in
a
presentation
by
the
school
and
their
architects,
and
there
has
been
an
online
open
house
since
december,
which
has
also
generated
comment.
M
At
the
time
I
wrote
the
presentation
we
had
a
total
of
24
emails
related
to
this
application.
They
should
be
in
your
dropbox
overall.
These
comments
focus
primarily
on
parking
and
traffic
around
the
school
campus.
M
Are
generally
governed
by
other
ordinances
other
than
the
ordinance
that
the
historic
landmark
ordinance,
and
so
that
the
proposal
will
need
to
comply
with
all
city
regulations
for
parking,
as
we
mentioned,
that's
that's
still
kind
of
under
under
full
review.
M
And
that
parking
analysis
complex,
it
will
work
we'll
pass
it
along
to
the
transportation
division
for
input,
as
well
as
input
from
the
other
divisions
in
the
city,
to
make
sure
that
when,
when
this
does
come
back,
there
will
be
a
clear
direction
and
a
clear
path
to
it.
Decision
I'm
open
for
questions
and
comments.
At
this
point.
A
Well
it
I
there's
nothing
really
for
us
to
do
if,
indeed
this
is
table,
then
it's
tabled,
and
I
I
did
look
at
the
dropbox
before
I
I
came.
I
missed
that.
I
saw
the
last
in
the
information
that
came
from
from
aubry,
but
I
didn't
see
any
of
these,
but
if
indeed
we're
tabling
it
and
then
we're
tabling
it
and
it'll,
give
you
more
time
to
review
in
in
detail.
M
E
D
It's
pretty
obvious,
I
think,
from
all
of
the
comments
that
people
have
given
is
they're
worried
about
parking.
The
neighbors
are
extremely
vocal
about
that
and
just
the
face
of
it.
D
M
J
We're
going
to
make
sure
we
have
the
most
current
drawings.
That
was
an
issue
that
we've
had
and.
J
J
So
we're
going
to
just
kind
of
go
through
the
presentation
and
then
we're
happy
to
answer
questions
and
hopefully
you'll
see
the
things
that
we
talked
about
in
january
in
the
development
of
those
the
just
a
reminder
of
the
campus
located
between
a
and
b
street
first
and
second
avenue,
it
takes
up
the
whole
block.
The
new
project
is
fully
contained
within
the
site.
The
campus
context
we
analyze
modeled.
It
has
several
historic
properties
on
the
campus,
including
historic
homes,
and
also
buildings
from
different
areas,
including
the
1970s,
some
more
modern
buildings.
J
There
was
a
variety
of
forms
and
roof
lines,
gabled
and
flat.
Roofs
are
found
on
the
campus.
We
also
looked
at
the
surrounding
context,
which
shows
this
map
shows
the
campus,
the
cathedral
to
the
south
and
then
the
north,
which
is
the
two
parking
lots
that
that
the
there
is
a
written
parking
agreement
that
will
continue.
J
D
D
And
I
know
this
costs
a
fortune,
but
did
you
ever
consider
putting
in
parking
as
part
of
this
structure.
J
We
would
probably
have
to
go
underground,
which
would
be
very
difficult,
so
in
fact
we
didn't,
because
we
have
this
great
parking.
You
know
just
to
the
north
of
the
site,
and
I
think
it's
really
important
to
note.
There
are
no
changes
to
the
parking
or
the
this
project
does
not
impact
the
number
of
people
that
will
be
on
site.
There
are
no
new
students
added
as
a
as
a
as
part
of
this
project.
It's
really
serving
the
community
that's
already
there
and
that
that's
kind
of
important.
J
I
think
there
is
a
there
seems
to
be
some-
maybe
misunderstanding
about
that-
that
we're
happy
to
clarify
and
talk
to
people.
So
this
is
the
context,
the
scale
the
materials,
the
texture.
I
think
you
may
remember
this.
We
explored
the
context
in
depth
in
order
to
design
this
project.
We
wanted
to
propose
something:
that's
very
compatible
with
this
really
special
historic
neighborhood.
J
The
surrounding
buildings
are
two
three
and
four
story
structures,
and
some
of
them
are
larger
scale
like
the
cathedral,
but
for
the
most
part,
those
are
the
the
structures.
There
are
three
houses
around
the
block
single
family,
but
a
lot
of
them
are
apartment
buildings.
Also,
our
zoning
analysis
is
on
the
next.
Oh
wait.
This
is
a
figure
ground.
This
also
is
just
kind
of
helpful
graphically
to
see
the
compatibility
of
the
massing
within
the
the
larger
neighborhood.
J
There
are
heavily
masked
buildings
and
then
lighter
smaller
structures,
and
we
felt
that
the
massing
was
pretty
compatible.
When
you
look
at
this
diagram
as
well,
our
zoning
analysis,
we
are
complying
with
all
of
the
requirements
in
the
zoning
ordinance,
including
building
heights
setbacks,
we're
not
seeking
any
special
exemptions
or
variances
for
this
project.
We're
following
everything
the
plan
view,
I
think,
is
helpful
to
see
how
the
form
has
developed
and
and
the
form
is
largely
determined
by
the
footprint
and
height-
that's
required
by
a
gymnasium
space.
J
J
We
also
wanted
to
really
preserve
the
historic
quad,
and
that
was
important
to
us
on
our
site
planning,
and
we
can
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
that.
You
can
see
on
our
plans
here.
We
tried
to
clarify
the
site
plan
here
and
then
in
some
other
drawings
that
are
dimensioned
to
show
the
setbacks
that
we're
respecting
both
on
2nd
avenue
and
on
b
street,
and
then
there's
two
landscape
buffers
that
I'll
talk
about
also
on
b
street
next
slide
are
elevations
and
we
have
also
more
clarified
elevations.
So
this
one
just
shows
to
really.
J
We
worked
hard
to
make
sure
that
the
the
building
fits
within
the
scale
of
the
streetscape,
both
on
b
street
and
on
second
avenue
we're
conforming
to
the
scale
and
context
meeting
all
height
requirements
and-
and
we
have
more
detailed
elevations
that
address
the
staff
report
questions
here.
We
talk
about
materials.
This
was
again
a
deep
exploration
of
a
site.
We
work
to
embed
the
architecture
within
the
neighborhood
context
and
are
proposing
from
materials
brick
cladding
in
a
vertical
pattern,
and
then
cementitious
fiber
panels
and
colored
glass
detailing
as
as
accents
the
colors.
J
Next
slide
shows
that
we
listened
to
the
feedback
that
we
got
at
the
hlc
meeting
and
the
two
community
meetings,
and
we
worked
to
develop
this
b
street
facade
specifically
because
that
was
something
that
was
something
that
we
talked
about
quite
a
bit.
The
diagrams
along
the
top
show
an
analysis
of
fenestration
on
the
adjacent
buildings
that
helped
us
develop
a
window
pattern,
and
we
we
felt
that
these
addition
of
the
windows
addressed
the
concerns
that
we
heard.
J
We
also
added
variation
in
the
surface
of
the
brick.
So
now
it's
more
three
dimensional
undulating
facade
that
creates
a
really
dynamic
street
face,
but
the
next
slide
actually
shows
what
it
would
look
like,
because
there's
also
three
layers
of
landscaping
before
the
building.
So
I
think
that's
important.
This
is
a
complete
view
of
the
b
street
and,
and
it
shows
these
layers
of
the
landscaping
there's
a
parking
strip
that
have
trees
and
ground
cover
the
next
there's
a
20-foot,
deep
layer
of
landscaping
that
we're
proposing
flowering,
shrubs
and
also
trees.
J
J
J
One
other
thing
I'd
like
to
point
out
is
all
existing
circulation
paths
have
been
maintained
on
the
site.
There's
there's
no
change
in
sight
circulation,
including
this
infrequently
used
path
that
exists
along
the
west
facade,
which
you'll
look
at
with
a
west
elevation
which
is
just
facing
another
building.
It's
not
in
a
public
view.
J
The
next
two
slides
have
larger
elevations
that
are
more
detailed.
These
are
the
drawings
that
the
staff
report
called
for,
and
I
hope
these
address
questions
about
building
height,
massing
and
materials.
The
south
elevation
is
the
main
entrance
facing
the
quad.
We
also
have
a
rendering
of
this.
The
east
elevation
below
is
along
b
street.
The
lighter
portion
is
behind
the
home
and
the
in
the
on
the
corner.
So
that's
why
it
appears
lighter
the
north
on
the
next
slide.
We
have
the
north
and
west
elevations.
J
The
top
is
the
entrance
to
the
early
childhood
center.
The
lighter
portion
on
the
left
is
again
behind
a
home,
that's
how
it's
shown
graphically
and
then
that
west
elevation
faces
urban
hall.
If
you
can
see,
we've
outlined
the
contour
of
urban
hall
so
that
you
can
see
its
presence
in
front
of
it
and
that's
on
that.
It's
not
public
facing,
and
it's
on
that
narrow,
infrequently
used
path
of
exit
and
then
the
last
light
is
just
the
render
of
the
quad.
J
This
is
again
the
main
entrance
of
the
building
will
be
through
the
through
the
historic
quad
that
we've
maintained
with
this
project,
and
we
welcome
questions
or
comments,
and
thank
you
so
much
for
your
time.
D
I
don't
have
a
question
so
much,
but
I
think
one
of
the
and
again
back
to
the
parking
one
of
the
neighbors
stated
that
the
off-street
off-site
parking
lease
is
only
for
five
years.
Is
that
true.
J
They
have
renewable
agreements
with,
but
the
term
is
five
years,
but
it's
always
been
renewed
and,
as
as
nelson
said,
it's
been
in
place
since
the
80s
yeah
there's
we
don't.
They
have
a
very
good
relationship
and
that's.
D
Great
yeah,
the
with
the
one
statement
that
was
I
found
interesting,
was
when
they
said
some
15
years
15
or
so
years
ago,
mcs
proposed
a
300
seat
auditorium
to
be
built
in
the
same
place.
The
auditorium
id
was
curbed
and
withdrawn
in
part
because
it
failed
to
include
any
parking
solution
for
event
patrons.
So
again,
this
is
raising
its
head
here.
J
Yeah-
and
I
think
it
would
be
helpful
to
to
read
the
letter
that
was
written
after
that
in
response
by
the
school's
director
who
addressed
that
project
specifically,
and
I
did
see
the
number
300
being
thrown
around.
This
is
not
a
as
an
event
center,
and
that
was
an
unfortunate
term.
I
think
that's
this
is
to
serve
the
students
on
the
campus,
who
no
longer
can
use
the
gymnasium
that
they
use
on
the
in
the
lds
church.
Did
you.
J
D
J
There
wouldn't
be
anything
like
that,
and
and
it's
the
school
does
have
community
events
and
events
on
occasion,
but
but
this
is
nothing
and
this
this
will
not
be
rented
out
to
anybody.
This
is
only
for
the
use
of
those
students
and
it
it's
becoming
more
important
to
have
indoor
recreation
space
for
kids
because
of
our
poor
air
quality
days.
So
this
is
another
really
strong
need
that
the
school
has
had.
C
J
J
I
mean,
I
think,
what
you
see
there
on
that
last
slide
is
pretty
accurate
to
what
we're
thinking
would
you
call
that
vibrant
or
muted,
I
guess.
J
C
J
J
Right,
I
think
that's
that's
a
good
point,
thanks
for
bringing
that
up.
That
was
kind
of
our
initial
analysis
of
the
neighborhood,
where
we
did
pull
colors
directly
out,
but
our
intent
is
to
have
something
that
is
more
subdued
and
it
kind
of
looks
almost
like
a
natural
element
with
these.
You
know
the
landscaping
in
the
trees,
so
I
think
our
renders
are
a
little
more
accurate
than
those
that
initial
color.
B
Yeah,
so
on
this
slide,
the
the
image
with
the
brighter
reds
and
yellows
was
simply
an
expression
of
concept,
but
the
colors
you're
thinking
are
are
those
are
the
ones
five
squares
to.
J
The
left
yeah
exactly
because
they're
pulled
directly
from
from
some
of
the
buildings
that
are
beautiful
in
the
neighborhood
there's
an
incredible
building
across
the
street,
and
it
has
just
a
spectacular
brick
pattern.
So
one
of
the
one
of
the
colors
came
from
that
and-
and
we
just
pulled
from
the
context.
D
And
you
I
appreciate
that
you
added
some
trees
to
kind
of
change
the
front.
Would
it
be
possible
to
put
in
some
some
windows
to
make
it
look
more
like
yeah,
I.
J
Hope
it's
yeah,
it's!
I
hope
it's
clear.
We
did
add
windows
and
there's
well
one
two,
three,
four:
five:
six
windows
now
so
we
we
brought
them
in
a
vertical
format
so
that
it
so
there
are
windows.
Now
we're
we're
now
as
architects
trying
to
reconcile
that
with
the
functionality
of
a
gymnasium
space
on
the
inside,
but
we'll
solve
that
because
that's
what
the
community
and
and
we
were
asked
to
do-
but
we
did
so
now.
There
are
six
windows
on
that
facade.
J
B
J
B
J
A
I
I
So
approval
of
this
proposed
facility
would
address
three
primary
needs
of
the
school:
the
appropriate
physical
education
and
team
sports
space
for
students,
age
3
through
14,
alternative
recess
space
for
numerous
poor
air
quality
days
and
inclement
weather
days
in
salt
lake
city,
and
it
would
also
house
early
education
classrooms
for
students,
age
three
through
five
and,
as
mentioned
earlier,
that
would
just
allow
us
to
place
those
classrooms
in
a
more
seismically
fit
space.
So
I'll.
I
Just
briefly
conclude
by
reiterating
that
the
building
does
not
represent
growth
in
enrollment
at
the
school,
it
does
represent
appropriately
program
spaces
for
the
current
student
body,
and
it
will
serve
a
specific
need
for
the
students
at
the
madeleine
choir
school,
and
we
kindly
ask
for
your
approval.
Thank
you.
L
My
name's
dan
bethel,
I
can
see
this
is
so
far
along
that
I
hesitate
to
say
anything.
But
back
when
I
went
through
architecture
school
almost
a
half
century
ago.
It
was
anathema
to
do
anything
that
looked
historic,
and
this
is
all
this
is
already
been
dealt
with
with
by
a
very
excellent
modern,
architect,
20
or
so
years
ago,
brixton
and
christopher
on
the
southwest
corner,
and
they
they
chose
to
trim
their
feathers
and
design
a
building
that
fit
in
with
the
historic
nature
of
the
site.
L
But
in
this
case
I
view
this
as
a
a
complete
hole,
a
quadrangle
that
as
though
you
were
patching
a
breech
in
an
old
stone
wall
and
you're,
coming
in
with
concrete
block
and
repairing
the
breach,
rather
than
seeking
out
stones
to
fill
the
breach
and
it.
If,
if
it
were
me,
I
I
would
go
back
to
someone
like
you,
newell
jacobson,
where
they
could
do
forms
that
were
traditional
that
had
very
modern
look
to
them
or.
L
The
I
think
they're
missing
a
very
having
been
on
the
campus
when,
in
a
rainstorm.
L
They're
missing
a
big
opportunity,
not
putting
eloja
down
the
south
side
of
that
building
that
could
be
used
by
the
kids
or
anyone
south
with
southsun
shining
into
it.
Direct
route
from
urban
hall
to
the
street
and
the
the
idea
that
comes
into
my
mind
is
the
pelestra
at
pompeii
the
gym
at
pompeii.
The
whole
thing
is
surrounded
by
an
arcade.
I
it
would
you
know
these
things
have
all
been
solved
before
there.
You
have
a
modern
entrance
rather
than
a
an
accommodating
logia.
L
A
A
My
understanding
is
that
that
agreement
was
informal
up
until
2020
there's
that
was
formalized
in
november
of
2020
for
an
additional,
an
initial
three-year
block,
and
then
it
has
a
one
time
five-year
extension
and
it
is
for
using
those
parking
lots
monday
through
friday
during
normal
elementary
school
hours.
N
N
O
Hi
there,
my
name
is
ron
tharp
and
I've
never
spoken
in
a
place
like
this
before.
So
it's
a
little
awkward,
I'm
speaking,
I'm
a
neighbor
who's
lived
across
the
street
there
for
it'll
be
29
years
coming
up
next
month,
and
I
really
appreciate
historic
things.
We
put
our
house
in
the
historic
easement
with
the
utah
heritage
foundation.
O
We
really
want
to.
We
like
the
historic
neighborhood.
O
Basically,
in
the
interim
between
the
working
session
and
now
the
changes
that
were
brought
up
or
presented
seemed
like
it's
just
we
reworking
a
little
bit
of
the
the
drawings
and
it
didn't
seem
to
address
a
lot
of
the
initial
concerns
of
the
neighbors.
So
I
was
a
bit
concerned
about
that.
The
the
main
difference
is
on
the
on
the
reworking.
It's
like.
I
got
the
understanding
of
the
play
space
on
top
of
the
gymnasium,
which
was
something
new.
O
Otherwise
it
seems
like
the
suggestions
by
the
neighbors
were
ignored
and
in
the
interim
I
think
people
are
speaking
more
strongly
because
they
don't
want
to
be
ignored.
So
it'd
be
nice.
O
If
people
listen
to
some
of
those
the
comments,
the
one
thing
with
regards
to
as
it
is,
I
think
it
should
be
denied
right
now,
but
I
do
think
there
is
a
need
for
a
gymnasium
of
sorts
at
the
place
because,
as
they
say,
you
know,
the
kids
need
a
place
to
to
play
and
the
working
agreement
with
the
church
nearby
is
is
going
to
terminate.
O
But
you
know,
looking
at
the
standards
you're
looking
for
the
the
massing
of
the
building
doesn't
doesn't
really
fit
the
neighborhood.
I
don't
think
nor
nowhere
else
on
b
street
is
any
things
so
massive
in
terms
of
you
know
both
the
width
and
the
height
the
combination.
O
So
I
think
that
doesn't
fit
well
and
I
think
to
minimize
the
massing
to
mitigate
that
you
know.
Dropping
it
into
the
ground.
Farther
could
really
help
a
lot
and
with,
if
you
own
the
whole
block.
You
really
can
do
a
lot
with
that
in
terms
of
the
infrastructure
needed
the
the
one
thing
about
that
the
neighborhood
is.
E
O
O
It's
like
a
glazing,
I
always
think
of
it
as
glass,
but
it
sounded
like
concrete
paneling.
With
regards
to
parking,
I
think
that's
been
discussed.
O
The
one
thing
it
seems
like
it's
a
change
in
the
use
of
the
building
the
I
talked
to
neighborhood,
been
in
the
award
for
quite
a
while
and
says
they
don't
they.
They
can't
make
the
agreement
for
evenings
and
weekends
because
because
the
the
church
ward
has
uses
for
that,
so
that's
the
reason
why
all
the
school
buses
are
parked
on
the
street
and
gobble
up
a
bunch
of
the
parking.
Thank
you,
sir.
That's
time.
Thank
you.
Okay,.
E
Chair,
we
do
have
a
comment.
That's
come
into
the
email
that
I
will
read
into
the
record
hello.
We
live
at
62
b
street
for
the
last
four
years
directly
across
from
the
choir
school
and
wanted
to
be.
There
tonight
live,
but
unfortunately,
could
not.
Please
accept
the
following
comments
very
concerned
with
the
design
and
that
this
building
would
be
an
eyesore
and
not
match
the
design
of
avenues
and
take
away
aesthetically
from
the
neighborhood.
E
We
are
very
concerned
about
increased
traffic
and
congestion
that
is
unmonitored
parents
park
and
leave
their
car
in
front
of
our
driveway,
often
blocking
our
entry
and
exit
and
leave
their
car
unattended.
I
have
addressed
this
multiple
times
with
the
principal,
while
always
cordial.
They
do
not
patrol
or
enforce
with
parents
and
place
the
responsibility
solely
on
us
to
call
when
we
do
not
have
time
to
do.
Drop-Off
area
is
not
enforced
being
a
field
house.
E
This
will
extend
the
hours
and
time
that
people
will
be
blocking
our
driveway
and
add
more
congestion
and,
more
times,
day
and
evening
again,
parents
have
shown
no
respect
for
blocking
our
driveway
again.
The
administration
has
not
adequately
adequately
address
this
issue.
We
see
unsafe
and
unmonitored
crossings
do
not
crossings
not
at
any
legal
corner
with
no
safety
monitoring.
A
All
right
very
well,
thank
you.
Let's
go
ahead
and
close
the
the
public
hearing
portion
of
this.
Now
it's
it's
my
understanding
that,
as
we
move
into
executive
session,
we're
we're
basically
tabling
this
and
having
nelson's
staff
fully
review
and
make
recommendations
to
the
commission.
E
So,
mr
chair,
that
would
be
up
to
the
discretion
of
the
commission.
Staff's
recommendation
is
to
table,
but
it's
the
commission
that
needs
to
make
the
decision
to.
A
B
Yeah
I've
got
to
comment
the
obviously
the
neighborhood
is
very
concerned
about
parking
and
traffic
issue,
but
that's
all
really
moot
for
two
reasons:
one
is
that
isn't
in
our
purview
and
two
is
that
these
conditions
are
occurring
now,
as
it
is.
Even
without
this
building
they've
been
very
clear
in
saying
that
they're
not
adding
to
the
student
loan
there's
already
a
gymnasium
use,
it
just
happens
to
be
a
block
away,
so
the
city
someone
needs
to
deal
with
parking
and
traffic,
but
it's
not
us
other
than
that.
I'm
I.
B
I
think
we
need
to
pay
attention
to
the
cogent
facts
of
of
the
design
and
the
appropriateness.
I.
A
Very
much
agree,
and
you
know
it
in
my
my
opinion.
You
know
good
architects,
as
we
have
here,
are
going
to
make
certain
that
the
zoning
requirements
are
satisfied
that
there's
got
to
be
vehicles
in
place
so
that
that
parking
is
is,
is
addressed
in
whatever
form
long-term
agreements
you
know
whatever,
and
that
has
to
be
written
in.
I
know
that
the
the
church
you
know
sells
property
and
moves
on,
and
you
know,
combines
wards
and
things
like
that,
so
somehow
there's
got
to
be
a
vehicle
that
the
parking
is
satisfied
on
on
campus.
A
That's
that's!
That's
not
in
our
purview,
that's
that
zoning
and
zoning
will
take
care
of
that
and
I'm
sure
you
guys
will
will
address
that
appropriately.
So
that's
that
that's
my
view.
I
have
seen
some
some
significant
changes
from
the
comments
that
we
had
last
time
with
with
regard
to
adding
more
fenestration.
N
A
M
I
want
to
read
it
if
I
can,
which
I
can't,
but
it's
it's
basically
to
give
staff
and
the
commission
additional
time
to
analyze
information
that
was
submitted
after
the
deadline
for
posting.
E
And
I
will
also
add
that
that
was
the
information
that
was
presented
to
you
today,
so
that
the
staff
report
is
actually
not
based
on
these
most
revised
plans.
So
none
of
the
analysis
and
findings
relate
to
that
information
because
it
wasn't
part
of
the
actual
record
in
the
staff
report.
It's
part
of
the
record
today,
but
it
wasn't
included
in
the
decision
making
process
for
staff's
recommendation.
M
The
recommendation
is
that
it
would
be
tabled
to
give
you
know
us
time
to
work
through
those
issues,
and
then
it
would
be
brought
back
at
a
later
date.
We're
not
sure
about
the
timing.
At
this
point,.
M
Okay,
it
would,
it
would
be
ideal
to
bring
it
back
next
month,
but
one
of
the
issues
that
emerged
here
was
just
timing
issues
in
terms
of
other
department
reviews
and
and
us
meeting
our
deadlines.
M
I
just
don't
quite
understand
I
I
want
to
answer
those
questions
so
the
I
think
the
major
issues
were
that
the
elevations
that
we
had
weren't
fully
shown
and
developed
for
each
elevation.
M
Including
the
the
height
and
verifying
that
that
met
the
height
requirement
and
any
other
issues
that
wouldn't
require,
or
that
might
require
modification
by
the
historic
landmark
commission
in
order
to
be
built,
we
want
to
make
sure
that
those
are
addressed
now,
instead
of
at
the
permit
counter,
so
to
speak,
so
that,
because
you
do
have
the
flexibility
to
modify
those
things.
C
B
A
M
M
We
can
certainly
try-
and
I
would
like
that,
would
that
would
be
a
deadline
to
be
definitely
matt.
We
haven't,
you
know,
strung
that
out
to
make
sure
that
everything
is
will
meet
that,
but.
C
J
Yes,
it's
this
view
right
there,
it's
not
as
professionally
rendered
it's
more
of
a
you
know
quick
render,
but
that
is
the
view
from
the
corner.
So
you
see
you
really
kind
of
see
the
whole
context
with
the
historic
buildings
and
the
new
buildings
kind
of
woven
together,
which
is
what
the
campus
is
really.
A
Just
a
comment-
and
I
think
I
I
made
the
comment
the
last
time-
I
think
you'd
definitely
address
the
changes
in
elevation
on
the
site.
I
think
it's
very
important
to
keep
the
pedestrian
paths
the
same
and
I
think
you've
you've
done
that
you
know
it.
It's
a
it's
difficult
to
put
a
building
this
big
on
onto
the
site
and
I
I
feel
like
like
it's
been
placed
very
well.
You
know
the
the
administration,
I
think
that's
been
addressed,
so
I
think
it's
it's
just.
A
We
need
time
for
the
city
to
catch
up
to
you
know
to
do
the
the
other
reports
from
traffic
and
transportation
and
all
of
that-
and
we
hope
to
see
you
here
as
soon
as
possible.
E
And
mr
chair
I'd
just
like
to
put
on
record
that
the
reason
that
we
don't
have
this
information
is
at
no
fault
of
the
applicants.
They've
been
very
responsive
to
our
requests.
It
was
just
a
miscommunication
in
terms
of
the
processing
and
communicating
to
them
what
information
we
needed.
So
I
just
wanted
to
put
on
record
that
they
have
been
very
responsive
to
every
request
that
we've
given
them
so
very
well.
M
B
Well,
having
or
being
in
the
midst
of
a
project,
that's
been
submitted
to
the
city
and
has
had
numerous
delays
that
were
not
the
applicants
or
the
owner's
fault
recognizing
the
city
has
a
lot
to
do.
I
would
like
to
encourage
staff
to
do
the
best
they
can
to
move
this
along
expeditiously,
and
you
know
I
know
you
guys-
are
competent
and
thorough
and
you're
just
swamped,
but
please
we'd
love
to
see
it
in
a
month.
E
E
You
did,
but
I'm
just
curious
if
the
motion
is
to
teach.
A
M
B
The
reason
for
the
tabling
of
the
petition
is
to
allow
time
for
staff
to
review
in
the
historic
landmarks
commission
to
consider
the
information
presented
by
the
applicant
after
the
staff
report
was
prepared
and
publicly
posted.
The
applicants
shall
return
to
the
historic
landmark
commission
for
approval
of
the
design
at
a
future
meeting.
D
E
A
All
right,
kenton,
hi,
hi,
michael
villa
carlton,
hi
and
michael
abstain.
A
Very
well
that's
four
eyes
and
one
abstention.