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Salt Lake City Historic Planning Commission Meeting - November 10, 2021
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https://www.slc.gov/planning/planning-commission-agendas-minutes/
A
A
Okay.
Moving
on
our
first
agenda
item
is
the
consent
agenda
and
just
for
housekeeping
for
you
all.
This
is
going
to
include
the
minutes
as
well
as
the
three
time
extensions.
These
time.
Extensions
are
not
do
not
have
a
public
hearing
component
to
them,
so
they're
a
straight
vote.
If
any
of
you
have
specific
questions
on
any
of
those
four
items,
you
can
let
me
know,
and
we
can
address
those
now.
Otherwise
I
would
be
looking
for
a
motion
to
pass
the
consent
agenda
so
moved.
A
C
A
D
A
A
E
A
B
A
And
sarah,
yes,
all
right,
thank
you
that
passes
unanimously
and
we
will
now
move
on
to
the
public
hearing
portion
of
our
agenda.
Our
first.
Oh,
no,
wait!
Sorry!
We
have
a
report
of
the
chair
which
I
have
done.
Maureen
feister
vice
chair
has
nothing.
Thank
you,
hey,
sorry
and
nick
part
of
the
director.
C
I
I
do
have
a
couple
of
things.
First
is
that
last
night
the
city
council
adopted
the
proposed
code
changes
that
would
eliminate
the
special
exception
process,
so
that
is
finally
done
at
this
point.
That
goes
into
effect
once
it's
published,
which
usually
happens
about
a
week
to
10
days
after
the
decision
by
the
city
council.
C
I
looked
this
morning
and
we
had
somewhere
between
four.
I
can't
remember
the
exact
number
somewhere
around
45
open
applications,
some
of
those
are
actually
completed,
but
for
whatever
reason
in
the
program
we
used
to
track
those
it
didn't,
it
didn't
mark
them
as
closed,
even
though
they're
closed.
So
you
can.
We
probably
will
expect
to
see
some
decisions
on
some
of
those,
hopefully
very
few.
C
If
any
of
those
will
come
to
the
planning
commission,
the
planning
commission
usually
only
sees
you
know-
maybe
a
dozen
or
so
of
those
per
year,
and
so
just
to
give
you
an
update
on
on
that.
C
The
other
thing
that
I'm
not
sure
if
this
was
brought
up
at
the
last
meeting,
but
we
have
a
number
of
new
planners
that
are
have
either
started
or
will
be
starting
in
the
in
the
next
week.
Some
of
you,
some
of
them
you've
met
already
and
some
will
be
you'll
see
some
new
faces,
including
a
new
administrator
to
help
aubrey
with
boards
and
commissions.
C
So
hopefully,
in
a
few
weeks,
we'll
we'll
have
that
person
on
board
and
they'll
be
able
to
you'll
you
you'll,
meet
them
and
and
they'll
they'll
be
helping
obviously
and
you'll
work
closely
with
with
or
communicate
closely
with
that
individual.
So
that's
the
big
news.
We're
also
have
two
remaining
openings:
a
lot
of
changes
this
year
in
the
planning
division
that
we're
working
through.
So
we
should
be
hopefully
fully
staffed
by
sometime
in
mid-december,
so
that
that's
a
good
thing.
Our
division
grew
from.
C
We
were
30
people
at
the
end
of
last
budget
year
to
41
this
budget
year.
So
not
all
of
those
individuals
are
plant
our
planners.
That
will
come
to
the
planning
commission,
but
it's
a
bit
been
a
big
change
and
I'm
not
sure
that
this
has
been
announced
to
the
planning
commission
or
not,
and
some
of
you
probably
haven't
you're
new
enough
that
you
probably
haven't
met
this
person,
but-
and
I
guess,
there's
probably
some
people
in
the
public
who
don't
know
this
yet
too.
C
But
our
zoning
administrator,
joel
patterson,
is
after
30-plus
years
working
for
the
city
retiring
on
december
31st
and
we
also
have
a
retirement
and
our
development
review
planners
occurring
on
december
31st.
So
the
change
continues.
Those
shoes
are
going
to
be
very
they're,
very
large
and
impossible
to
feel
but
felt.
The
planning
commission
should
should
know
that
many
of
you
have
interacted
with
joel
over
the
years,
either
in
your
professional
capacity
or
for
those
longer
tenured
planning
commissioners.
C
So
we
are
planning
on
some
sort
of
celebration
for
joel,
but
it's
kind
of
hard
in
this
point
of
time,
but
anyway
wanted
to
let
everybody
know
that
and
second.
C
E
C
And
maybe
we
can
clone
someone
to
go,
do
the
retirement
side
and
we
can
keep
him
but
yeah.
It's
it's.
It's
we're
very,
very
happy
for
joel.
If
anyone's
earned
it,
they
have
a
amazing
retirement,
it's
him
so
anyway,
and
then
I
don't
know
some
of
you
probably
know
this,
and
I
don't
mean
to
necessarily
put
you
on
the
spot,
sarah,
but
I
think
you
have
some
news
to
probably
share
as
well.
E
Yeah
I've
been
doing
this
for
five
years.
Thank
you.
Nick
things
have
just
gotten
busy
enough
with
some
work
things
that
I
am
having
to
step
off.
I
I'm
just
missing
too
many
meetings
and
I
feel
like
it's
not
fair,
so
I've
asked
nick
I've
told
nick
I'm
resigning
and
he's
gonna
work
to
replace
me.
So
thank
you.
Everybody!
It's
been
an
honor
and
just
fyi.
E
I'm
sticking
around
for
a
few
more
weeks
till
I
think
we
said
end
of
year
would
be
my
last
my
last
meeting,
so
I
am
gonna,
be
I'll
still
keep
popping
in
as
long
as
y'all
need
me.
A
Well,
I
dislike
that
part,
but
okay,
okay,
so
public
hearing
we'll
move
on
to
the
public
hearing.
If
I
can
get
over
my
disappointments.
A
F
Thank
you
nick
or
amy.
Can
I
get
the
sharing
function?
F
F
Okay
should
have
worked
okay,
so
good
evening,
so
this
is
a
request
from
tag
slc
for
clan
development,
approval
to
build
28
new
town
homes
on
the
properties
located
at
approximately
765
north
400
west,
located
in
the
mu
mixed
use
zone.
Through
the
plan
development
process,
the
applicant
is
requesting
approval
of
new
lots
without
street
frontage
staff
is
recommending
approval,
with
conditions
listed
in
the
staff
report.
F
To
give
you
a
quick
overview,
the
proposed
project
is
a
three-story
townhome
development
and
will
consist
of
four
new
buildings
each
with
seven
townhome
units.
Each
unit
will
have
its
own
garage
for
parking
accessed
by
two
dry
vials,
and
you
can
see
that
on
the
site
plan
in
front
of
you,
so
400
west
is
actually
at
the
top,
and
north
is
on
the
left
side.
But
there
are
two
dry
vials
and
then
pedestrian
access
in
the
middle
and
on
the
the
sides.
F
So,
as
mentioned
through
the
plan
development
process,
the
applicant
is
requesting
one
modification
of
the
zoning
ordinance.
The
ordinance
requires
all
new
lots
must
have
frontage
on
a
public
street.
The
project
could
be
developed
by
right
as
a
condominium
condominium
project
or
apartment
building,
but
the
modification
is
needed
to
provide
for
new
single-family
lots
without
street
frontage.
F
F
So
staff
worked
with
the
applicant
to
provide
a
more
interactive
and
visually
appealing
street
facing
facade.
They
included
the
additional
with
additional
landscaping
to
create
front
yard
areas,
material
changes
to
provide
a
contrast
and
scale
a
reduction
in
the
amount
of
stucco
and
the
addition
of
a
new
material
around
the
doorways
to
highlight
the
entrance.
F
So
as
far
as
public
involvement,
steph
did
not
hear
from
the
local
community
council,
but
I
did
receive
two
two
comments
from
one
person
who
was
concerned
about
just
the
general
location
and
proximity
to
industrial
development.
F
Those
are
included
in
your
staff
report,
but
staff
is
recommending
that
the
planning
commission
approve
the
plan
development,
as
proposed
with
the
conditions
listed
and
as
a
note,
the
first
condition.
Final
building
permit
plans
shall
include
20
open
space.
Since
the
publication
of
the
staff
report,
the
applicant
did
submit
a
revised
landscape
plan
that
does
meet
that
requirement.
F
A
Hey
planning,
commissioners,
any
questions
for
staff.
At
this
point.
H
Amy
go
ahead,
madam
chair
amy,
I
was
slow
to
click
my
button.
Does
this
mean
that
where
there
is
currently
one
lot,
there'll
be
28
lots.
F
So
they're
going
with
the
subdivision
to
combine
the
two
lots
that
are
there
right
now,
so
they
have
submitted
for
a
preliminary
plot
and
we'll
need
to
get
a
final
plot
and
that
would
create
20,
individual
town,
home
town
home
units
with
combined
shared
open
space.
So
like
the
sidewalks
and
things
would
be
managed
by
an
hoa.
F
Yeah
they
would.
The
subdivision
process
would
create
28
individual
lots
without
the
plan
development
approval,
they
could
still
do
the
same
number
of
units
just
need
to
be
either
an
apartment,
building
or
as
a
condominium
project.
Instead
of
single-family
lots.
H
Right
so
I
read
that
different:
it
makes
a
difference
for
financing
for
the
purchasers
of
the
that
property.
Is
there
any
when
so,
if,
when
this
building
is
obsolete
and
they
tear
it
down
in
60
years
or,
however
long
they'll,
what
could
be
built
in
its
place?
The
same
kind
of
building.
A
Any
other
questions:
okay,
seeing
none
we'll
move
on
to
the
presentation.
I
think
we
have
jordan
atkin
and
john
shepard.
They
here
yeah.
C
Yeah,
we
don't
have
a
presentation
prepared.
We
appreciate
the
work
that
chris
he
put
into
this.
C
We
started
on
this
in
november
of
2019,
so
right
at
two
years
ago,
by
rezoning
this,
from
a
light
industrial
site
to
the
mixed
use
and
after
engaging
with
some
of
the
neighbors,
we
decided
to
go
for
a
for
for
sale,
town
home
product
which
is
leading
us
here.
We
worked
hard
to
comply
with
all
the
regulations
of
of
the
zone,
but
unfortunately
with
how
the
site
is.
A
G
I
think
it
was
right
at
the
front
along
400
west,
and
I
it
was.
I.
C
I
don't
it
wasn't
materially
different,
we
did
create
some
patios
and
it
was
just
how
our
landscape
architect
had
done.
The
calculations.
A
C
Just
give
it
just
a
moment
here,
if
you
wish
to
speak,
please
do
indicate
so
by
raising
your
hand,
we'll
give
it
a
few
minutes.
C
I
am
not
seeing
any
hands
come
up,
amy
thompson,
we
had
any
emails.
Come
in
since
we've
started
the
meeting.
A
B
So
this
is
a
formerly
industrial
site,
and
so
I'm
wondering
actually
I
don't
know
if
that
is
that
is
true,
but
it's
certainly
formerly
a
industrial
zoning
and
I'm
wondering
one
of
the
people
who
commented
on
about
this
letter
wrote
a
letter
was
concerned
about
pollution
and
I'm
wondering
where
you
are
with
your
environmental.
A
A
Brenda
looks
like
she's
trying
to
speak,
but
I
cannot.
I
am
I'm
trying
to
speak.
B
But,
and-
and
I
and
I
actually
went
out
to
the
site
today-
and
there
is-
you
know
a
pr
well,
the
design
workshop
has
their
office
just
north
of
here
and
there's
other
projects
going
on
around
here.
So
I
am
not
as
concerned
as
the
letter
writer
was
about
the
nature
of
the
industrial
area,
so
I
think
that's
a
pretty
recent.
This
kind
of
there's
a
townhouse
project
right
around
the
corner
from
here
that
has
a
very
similar
layout
and
it
seems
pretty
nice.
B
So
I'm
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
make
a
motion,
and
I'm
sorry
adrian,
you
can
do
it
if
you
want.
B
No
such
thunder
okay-
I
am
going
to
based
on
the
information
in
the
staff
report
the
information
presented
and
the
input
received
during
the
public
hearing.
I
move
that
the
planning
commission
approve
petition,
pln
pcm
2021-00545,
with
the
conditions
listed
in
the
staff
report,
and
the
conditions
for
reference
are
one.
The
final
building
permit
plan
shall
include
20
open
space
as
required,
and
two
the
applicant
shall
submit
a
cost
estimate
and
associated
documentation
assuring
shared
infrastructure
maintenance
in
compliance
with
21a
55.110
with
the
final
plat
application.
B
A
Okay,
I
heard
mike
first,
so
we
have
a
motion
by
brenda
a
second
by
mike
we'll
go
ahead
and
take
a
vote.
John.
L
A
A
E
B
N
A
A
K
K
This
is
a
proposed
new
mixed
unit,
multi-family
building
going
in
at
11
32
east
ashton
avenue
it
will
have
118
multi-family
units
and
it
is
nearly
125
000
square
feet
in
size.
They've
provided
107
parking
stalls
where
86
are
required
in
this
building
and
oftentimes.
When
projects
go
through
the
design
review
process,
they
are
allowed
to
request
modifications
to
those
design
standards.
K
K
K
Both
the
north
building
and
the
south
building
are
going
through
the
design
review
process.
The
north
building
is
still
under
review.
It
will
come
before
the
planning
commission
at
a
future
date,
so
we
are
only
considering
the
southern
building
here
outlined
in
yellow,
and
that
is
the
rendering
of
the
building
that
we
have
on
the
screen.
K
These
are
some
photographs
from
the
site.
The
largest
photograph
is
the
site
itself.
This
used
to
be
the
sites
of
the
24
hour,
fitness
gym,
and
then
this
photograph
in
the
upper
right
corner
is
looking
east
towards
hyman
drive.
The
bottom
right
photograph
is
looking
west
towards
fairmont
park,
and
this
is
the
project
site
plan.
K
We
do
have
one
singular
vehicular
access
to
the
project,
which
is
right
in
the
center
of
the
building
having
this
singular
vehicular
access,
really
minimizes
the
potential
points
of
conflict
between
vehicles
and
pedestrians
and
cyclists
in
the
area
and
as
part
of
this
project.
The
applicants
have
also
provided
a
small,
well,
not
small,
moderately
sized
bicycle
amenity.
K
The
building
is
approximately
eight
floors
tall,
it
does
meet
the
maximum
building
height
requirements
in
this
zone
and
it
is
well
under
the
1.5
foot
maximum
height.
As
you
can
see,
we
have
a
good
modulation
of
the
structure.
Here
we
have
the
ground
floor
that
has
the
ground
floor,
glass
and
the
building
entrances
and
then,
as
the
building
progresses
over
30
feet
in
height,
it
is
stepped
back
by
15
feet
in
order
to
facilitate
a
more
human
scaled
perception
of
the
development.
K
K
The
eastern
elevation,
the
applicants
have
proposed
a
public
art
mural
on
the
northeastern
portion
of
that
wall.
There,
then,
the
west
elevation,
as
you
can
see,
the
applicant,
has
also
wrapped
the
glass
around
that
corner
in
order
to
make
make
the
building
appear
more
friendly
to
pedestrians
in
the
area
and
people
who
are
coming
and
going
out
of
fairmont
park.
K
As
part
of
the
public
process,
we
sent
out
a
notification,
and
in
august
we
met
with
the
sugar
house
community
council
who
overall
voiced
their
support
of
the
project.
K
K
At
this
point
in
time
and
based
off
of
the
findings
and
the
analysis
that
we've
provided
to
you
in
the
staff
report,
staff
is
recommending
that
the
planning
commission
approve
the
design
review
for
the
altitude
and
sugar
house
south
building,
with
the
condition
that
final
approval
of
the
signage
lighting
and
landscaping
plans
be
delegated
to
staff.
To
review
the
importance
of
clearing
the
docket
standards
and
offenses.
K
This
is
the
end
of
my
presentation.
If
you
have
any
questions
for
me,
I'm
happy
to
take
those,
or
I
am
also
happy
to
turn
my
time
back
over
to
you,
madam
chair.
A
D
And
mark
isaac
who's
going
to
be
our
main
presenter.
Yes,
there's.
N
We
came
together
to
sit
in
his
office.
It
was
easier
for
all
of
us,
madam
chair,
thank
you
for
your
time
planning
commissioners
good
evening
nick
thrilled
to
hear
your
staffing
up
and
man
am
I
sad
that
joel
patterson's
leaving?
I
think
I've
worked
with
him
for
25
of
his
30
years.
He
is
a
true
gentleman.
N
What
a
loss
anyway
on
to
our
application
tonight,
how
we
got
here
where
we're
at
first
order
of
business
for
us
with
our
design
team,
we
introduced
the
design
team
to
the
sugarhouse
central
business
district
and
the
sugar
house
community
design
guidelines
through
a
walking
tour
of
sugar
house.
We
walked
all
the
existing
projects,
some
of
the
older
stuff,
the
newer
stuff,
the
different
dynamics
streetscapes
and
how
everything
was
associating
with
the
community
and
what
the
community
council
has
endured
and
enjoyed
and
liked
and
what
they
haven't
liked.
N
And
so
we
started
out
the
process
following
the
design
guidelines
with
sugarhouse
and
then
obviously,
what
was
occurring
in
the
community
at
large
when
michael
bought,
the
24-hour
fitness
site.
It's
two
parcels.
This
is
the
parking
field
that
is
adjacent
to
and
actually
becomes,
the
liquor
store.
Overflow
parking.
As
you
all
know,
it's
been
a
difficult
area
for
us
off
of
fairmont
park
for
safety
and
cleanliness
and
circumstances
with
a
little
bit
of
the
homeless
there.
N
What
we're
trying
to
do
is
to
create,
for
lack
of
a
better
term,
a
mcclelland
like
streetscape
on
11th
east
and
the
ashton
intersection
to
better
improve
bicycle
and
pedestrian
circulation
across
our
block
into
fairmont
park.
We're
really
excited
to
build
over
the
top
of
look
over
the
future
of,
and
have
our
residents
be
eyes
and
visibility
for
the
safety
of
the
park
and
for
the
pure
enjoyment.
N
We
spent
a
lot
of
money
as
a
community
and
as
a
city
to
upgrade
fairmont
park,
and
I
think
this
will
be
the
finest
or
the
the
final
catalyst
component
to
cleaning
that
area,
so
we're
really
excited
to
get
going.
We've
spent
tremendous
amounts
of
time
with
the
community
council
and
with
the
land
use
committee.
N
I
know
that
judy
short
was
not
able
to
attend
tonight,
I'm
fairly
certain
that
she's
written
a
positive
recommendation,
because
we've
worked
very
very
closely
with
her
crew
on
land
use
committee
and
all
the
good
folks
that
you
know
amy
berry
with
the
sugarhouse
community
council.
We
have
probably
met
with
them
yeah
between
the
two
groups
a
dozen
times
over
the
past
calendar
year.
We're
really
excited
that
we
meet
current
codes,
conditions
design
and
we
have
their
support,
and
with
that
we
will
turn
it
over
to
all
of
you
for
questions
of
us.
A
Okay,
I'm
gonna
start
off,
so
I
this
the
staff
report
and
the
applicant
report
in
in
what
we
read
in
our
dropbox
don't
match
up.
So
I'm
confused
as
what
the
real
the
real
thing
is.
So
in
the
applicant
narrative,
you
say
these
are
micro
units
and
you'll
have
something
like
91
parking
stalls
or
something
like
that
and
then
katelyn
reports
that
they
are
multi
multi-family
units
and
the
staff
report.
It
was
studio
to
two
bedroom
and
116
or
118
parking
stalls
so
which,
which
one
is
right.
D
Yeah,
no,
that's
that's
right!
The
it's
118
units
they're
multi-family
units.
They
are
a
range
from
small
studios
to
two
bedrooms
and
I
believe
the
larger
parking
count
number
is
the
correct
one.
We
exceed
what
the
required
parking
is
as
as
noted
on
caitlyn's
report.
Those
numbers
are
accurate.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
I
was
didn't
know
what
was
going
on
and
then
I
caitlin
can
you
put
up
the
west
elevation
if
you
still
have
a
screen
sharing
privileges,
yep.
A
Just
okay
as
she
does
this
I'll
talk
so
again,
really
unsure
with
what
was
how
the
staff
report
was
kind
of
not
giving
me
a
full
picture.
So
when
I
look
at
this,
is
this
glass
on
the
north
part
of
the
building.
A
A
A
What
are
your
thoughts
about
moving
that
so
that
it
wraps
around
as
a
continuous
from
ashton
to
11th
on
the
the
southern
portion
of
the
west
side.
N
So
that's
up
against
the
freeway
amy
and
will
be
backed
in
behind
that
building
the
the
you
see
the
tower:
that's
adjacent
to
us,
the
office
building
that
got
damaged
in
the
fire
when
the
three-story
building
burned
down.
N
No
we're
just
talking
about
this
south
building
on
the
south
parking
lot
in
this
application
we
applied
for
both
of
them
and
the
city
bifurcated
the
application
into
two
projects,
two
buildings
amy.
So
this
is
only
about
the
south
building
and
the
one.
That's
on
the
part,
half
acre
parking
field
adjacent
to
the
liquor
store.
N
Correct,
and
so
what
we
were
trying
to
do
is
just
keep
that
glass
line
moving
down
ashton
and
it's
the
entire
facade,
it's
the
entire
front,
face
of
the
north
side
of
the
building
or
the
ashton
facing
side,
and
then
it
does
wrap
around
the
corner
and
to
the
west.
We
don't
know
what
the
future
holds
for
that
building.
They
got
to
do
a
bunch
of
repair
because
of
the
fire,
but
we
still
felt
that
the
daylighting
and
the
facing
of
the
west
side
towards
fairmont
park
was
critical
for
that
streetscape
and
lighting.
D
A
H
I
have
commissioner,
barry
barry.
This
is
amy
burroughs
and
I
have
a
question
a
lot
of
the
comments
talks
about
that.
They
were
happy
to
see
mixed
use
like
retail,
on
the
main
floor,
but
maybe
there's
not.
Maybe
that
doesn't
exist.
Maybe
it's
just
amenities
for
the
for
the
people
who
live
there
in
this
building.
D
Yeah,
that's
right:
they
are
common
area
amenities,
private
for
the
residents.
The
one
thing
that
may
become
a
mixed-use
component
is
the
bike
bikes,
the
word
shop
maintenance
shop.
That's
on
the
ashton,
avenue
frontage,
we're
working
with
the
sugar
house
chamber
of
commerce
to
try
to
find
a
small
business
entrepreneur
who
runs
a
bike
shop
to
you
know,
take
that
space
to
activate
it.
But
yes,
in
the
traditional
sense
of
commercial,
we
do
not
have
any
parceled
out
commercial
spaces
in
this
building.
B
So
I
have
a
question
about
your
artwork:
is
that
face
the
liquor
store
parking
lot.
B
Okay,
so
is
there
any
reason
why
you
didn't
try
to
do
the
same
thing
on
that
side,
that
you
did
on
the
other
side
and,
in
other
words,
provide
a
storefront
toward
that
parking
garage,
because
I
know
it's
art,
but
it's
still
it's
not.
It's
still
a
kind
of
inactive
frontage.
D
Behind
behind
that,
elevation
is
just
the
parking
garage
and
a
mechanical,
so
we
were
just
trying
to
be
thoughtful
about
what
you
would
see
if
we
had.
You
know
full
glazing,
but
because
that's
going
to
be
such
a
prominent
corner
of
the
building,
you
know
we're
working
with
a
lot
of
just
different
artists
in
the
community
and
art
there'll
be
a
lot
of
art.
D
B
And
can
you
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
chevron
expression
that
you
have
on
the
upper
levels
upper
floors
of
this
building?
What's
what
the
material
and
why
are
we
doing
chevrons?
It's.
N
A
masonry
pattern:
it's
an
architectural
approach.
It's
just
changing
up
a
little
bit
of
the
brick
patterns
that
we
see
throughout
sugarhouse.
You
know
the
masonry
requirements
of
the
sugarhouse
design
guidelines
and-
and
it's
it's
just
to
play
on
a
little
materiality
just
for
a
little
different
shape
and
feel.
B
So
are
those
I
guess
those
are.
Those
are
not
units
that
end
units
that
have
end
units,
don't
have
a
windows
there,
or
is
that
a
stair.
B
All
right
so
is
there
is
there
I
I
couldn't
really
tell
from
the
plans.
I'm
sorry
is
there
an
open
space
on
the
on
the
deck
there
above
the
first
three
floors.
That's
right.
D
N
Adrian
you're
going
to
see
me
in
the
near
future
bringing
that
new
liquor
store
on
2100,
south
and
850
east
yeah.
We
don't
know
what
dabc
and
dfcm's
future
holds
on
that
store.
I've
been
told
the
sugar
house
market
warrants
two
locations,
which
just
sounds
so
funny
to
me
in
utah,
but
but
but
be
that
as
it
may,
I,
my
hunch
is
the
main
use.
N
Your
traditional
liquor
store
is
going
to
move
to
the
2100
south
location
that
we're
doing
on
that
snow
grove
site
and
this
one's
going
to
be
converted
to
a
wine
store.
That's
what
I've
been
told.
That's
not
dfcmdabc,
I'm
not
certain,
but
I
have
a
sneaky
suspect
suspicion.
They
have
a
vision
of
something
like
that.
H
This
is
amy.
One
of
the
questions
I
asked
kaitlyn
earlier
today
was
about.
Let
me
see
engineering,
I
think,
in
their
or
transportation
in
their
comment
on
this
project.
What
page
is
it?
It's
in
our
staff
report
section
attachment
h
where
it
talks
about
transportation.
H
The
first
paragraph
says
that
they
would
like
to
understand
how
this
plan
interacts
with
a
mcclellan
trail
alignment.
H
If
it's
going
to
go
between
the
buildings
on
the
south
side
of
ashton
and
the
freeway
or
along
the
south
side
of
ashton
itself,
the
transportation
commenter
said,
I
would
like
to
figure
out
if
it's
possible,
to
construct
the
missing
piece
between
fairmont
park
and
highland
drive
as
part
of
this
development,
or
at
least
reserve
space
for
it
and
orient
some
of
the
sites
uses
to
the
front.
Activate
the
trail.
H
H
Caitlyn
said
that
she
was
gonna.
Maybe
have
you
guys
talk
about
that.
N
Well,
we
don't
want
the
trail
to
go
behind
the
building,
we're
having
a
hell
of
a
time
securing
behind
the
liquor
store
in
those
buildings
along
there
anyway.
There's
a
ton
of
holes
cutting
the
fence.
The
unfortunate
part
for
all
of
us
in
the
community
is
that
is
federal,
highway
and
federal
highway
space.
N
N
We
put
that
pedestrian
trail
and
bike
lane
that
comes
out
of
sugar
house
park
on
a
sidewalk
and
in
the
public
right-of-way
and
that's
our
intention
here
is
that
it
goes
down
ashton
to
the
park
and
not
behind
there's
no
room
behind
the
liquor
store
and
there
won't
be
any
room
behind
our
building
between
the
state
highways
lands,
and
you
can't
do
any
improvements
on
the
state
highway
lands.
I
already
tried
that
one.
H
Does
that
okay,
I
understand
what
you're
saying
does
it
construct
the
missing
piece
between
fairmont
park
and
highland
drive?
Would
that
does
that
fill
that
missing
piece
for
the
mcclellan
trail.
N
The
truth
of
the
matter
is,
is
our
trail
should
be.
Our
trail
should
be
influencing
hidden
hollow
the
trail
system
that
abeer
and
woodbury
and
the
komena
boys
did
such
a
beautiful
job
of
off
of
wilmington,
where
we
truly
have
the
bike
and
trail
we're
trying
to
provide
trails
everywhere.
That
is
a
pretty
congested
community.
N
N
H
N
Created
sidewalks
that
go
around
that
whole
block,
so
our
take
on
this
block
and
this
small
parcel
is
that
you'll
have
that
wide
sidewalk
and
that
pedestrian
engagement
over
to
the
sidewalk
we
built
on
the
adjacent
parcels.
So
we
do
have
connectivity
just
not
in
a
trail
circumstance
behind
the
buildings
as
they
suggested.
Okay,.
A
Okay,
so
I'm
just
going
to
interject
here,
because
I
think
you're
talking
about
two
different
trails,
the
one
that
goes
east
to
us
is
parley's
that
that
connects
up
to
hidden,
hollow
and
whatnot.
This.
D
A
Mcclelland
is
going
north
south,
so
the
it's
going
through
fairmont
park
it'll
come
out
where
the
dog
park
is
on
ashton
and
11th.
It
needs
to
get
up
to
highland,
so
it
can
continue
south
and
yes,
it
can
connect
to
the
part
you're
talking
about
across
the
street.
But
it's
the
missing
piece
that
transportation
for
amy
rose
benefit
is
to
get
from
fairmont
park
to
highland
drive.
N
A
And
normally
I
am
in
favor
of
trails
getting
off
the
road,
but
regardless
of
the
federal
highway
bit
that
particular
spot
just
provides
too
much
hidden
opportunities
for
unsafe
conditions
and
it
it's
probably
better
for
that
particular
spot
to
be
on
ashton
to
highland
and
then
it'll
go
south.
So
we're
kind
of
conflating
two
trails
which
is
great
for
sugar
house.
We
have
multiple
trails,
but
does
that
help
you
amy.
A
Okay,
with
that,
we
will
move
on
to
the
public
hearing
portion.
You
guys
stick
around
mark
and
I
didn't
see
if
you
are
in
attendance
and
you
want
to
speak
on
this
item.
Please
go
ahead
and
raise
your
hand,
I
haven't,
I
just
checked,
but
I
didn't
see
any
hands
raised
nick.
Do
you
know
of
any.
J
Madam
chair,
I
did
have,
I
know,
judy
shorts,
not
at
this
meeting
tonight,
but
she
did
email
me
comments
on
behalf
of
the
community
council
that
she
would
like
read
into
the
record.
J
Yeah
she
did
email
me
public
comments.
Okay,
I
think
they're
different
from
the
letter.
Do
you
want
me.
A
A
After
just
because
they're
written,
so
that's
fine,
we'll
take
people
who
are
in
attendance
first,
I
lost
my
nick.
Do
you
see
any
buddy
who's
indicating
they
wish
to
speak.
A
Okay
indication:
well
then,
we'll
move,
amy
thompson
read
into
the
record
and
the
sugar
house
community
council
comments
and
then
we'll
cycle
back
to
anybody
who
wishes
to
speak
in
attendance
tonight.
Please
go
ahead
and
click
that
hand
in
the
lower
right
hand
corner
in
the
meantime
amy.
If
you
want
to
go
ahead
and
read
those
into
the
record,
please.
J
I
am
unable
to
attend
the
meeting
tonight
and
ask
that
you,
please
read
aloud
this
statement
from
the
sugar
house.
Community
council,
the
sugar
house
community
council
land
use
committee
has
reviewed
this
project
a
number
of
times
in
conjunction
with
a
larger
building
across
the
street.
This
is
a
build.
This
is
building
two
of
the
alta
terra
project
at
1132
ashton
avenue.
We
are
very
pleased
with
this
project,
but
also
have
a
number
of
comments
about
how
much
the
rents
will
be
and
whether
they
are
really
affordable
or
just
less
money,
because
they
are
tiny.
J
It
would
be
nice
to
have
this
clarified.
We
always
say
that
there
aren't
enough
parking
spaces,
but
in
this
case
the
building
is
catering
to
a
different
customer
who
may
not
have
a
car,
and
this
is
located
within
a
block
of
the
streetcar.
A
streetcar.
All
parking
that
faces
ashton
will
be
screened
by
common
amenity
areas.
J
We
are
pleased
that
this
building
is
catering
to
younger
tenants,
maybe
right
out
of
high
school
or
college
who
otherwise
might
not
be
able
to
afford
to
live
in
sugar
house,
and
the
collaborative
space
is
different
from
what
is
found
in
our
other
apartment
buildings.
You
will
see
the
second
building
soon
and
the
amenities
in
both
buildings
will
be
available
to
all
tenants,
regardless
of
which
building
they
live
in
the
design
standards
from
our
master
plan,
along
with
the
developers,
response
are
answered
by
the
developer.
J
As
I
read
over
the
responses
and
as
our
committee
discussed,
we
think
they
have
done
a
good
job
meeting
the
standards.
We
are
very
pleased
that
the
longest
wall
in
the
building
is
only
160
feet.
We
have
difficulty
separating
out
one
building
from
another,
because,
with
the
exception
of
the
land
use
meeting,
we
saw
both
buildings
in
each
presentation.
J
As
the
design
of
this
project
develops,
we
will
see
a
lot
of
street
activation.
They
have
said
they
will
put
a
big
well-lit
walkway
at
the
corner
of
ashton
and
fairmont.
So
it's
easier
for
all
sugar
house
residents
to
access
the
dog
park
and
a
second
that
crosses
from
the
north
building
to
the
south
building.
I
believe
they
said
they
might
put
some
lights
in
the
dog
park,
which
would
make
it
available
later
into
the
evening.
J
During
the
winter,
there
will
be
a
mural
by
local
artists
on
the
park
facing
wall,
and
we
were
recently
contacted
by
a
person
whose
grandfather
opened
the
bowling
alley
in
the
1940s
her
dad
took
over
in
the
1960s.
It
was
called
fairmont
bowl
and
she
has
a
photo
of
the
bowling
alley
and
all
the
wonderful
bowling
competitions
that
used
to
take
place
there
that
she
is
willing
to
share
michael
augustine.
J
The
developer
has
told
me
he
will
contact
her
to
see
how
to
how
he
can
incorporate
her
pictures
into
the
development
street
lighting
appears
to
be
acting
back.
Sorry,
street
lighting
appears
to
be
adequate,
and
this
tree
shown
in
the
drawings
depict
the
actual
trees
that
will
that
will
be
planted,
not
a
mock-up.
The
number
of
trees
exceed
the
minimum
requirement
because
of
the
extra
wide
street
right
of
way
for
1100
east.
J
They
will
work
with
the
city
to
provide
wider
public
sidewalks
and
perhaps
room
for
food
trucks
in
this
area,
which
would
support
both
residents
but
potentially
park
users
as
well.
We
appreciate
the
fact
that
no
asphalt
paving
will
be
used.
We
ask
that
you
approve
this
project
judy
short
first
vice
chair
and
land
use,
chair
sugar
house,
community
council.
J
Yes,
I
do
have
one
other
comment
from
elizabeth
grow:
hello
planning,
commission,
my
name
is
isabella
grow
a
community
member.
I
like
the
visuals
of
this
building.
I
think
that
the
chevron
patterns
create
an
interesting
and
modern
look
to
the
apartment.
My
favorite
part
is
both
the
inclusion
of
outdoor
space
within
the
building
itself
and
also
the
setback
of
the
higher
stories
making
it
more
human
scale.
J
I
realize
this
might
be
preemptive
question,
however,
because
we
are
in
the
middle
of
an
affordable
housing
problem
within
salt
lake
city,
so
I
was
wondering
if
there
is
any
affordable
housing
included
included
within
this
complex.
Thank
you,
isabella
grow,
and
that
is.
That
concludes
the
public
comments
that
have
been
emailed
to
me
on
this
item.
C
A
And
if
you
would
state
your
name
for
the
record,
please
and
then
you'll
have
two
minutes.
Go.
G
Ahead,
I'm
william
nessie,
I'm
just
here
attending
on
a
different
project,
but
I
saw
this
one
interested
me
as
well.
I
just
have
a
question
for
the
applicant
about
it's
again,
maybe
outside
the
scope
of
what
you
planned,
but
one
thing
that
looked
interesting
was,
of
course,
the
burned
out
building
to
the
west
of
it.
What
contingencies
do
you
have
if
they
build
a
higher
building?
Next
to
it
in
terms
of
view
to
the
grandma
park,.
A
A
Okay,
thank
you,
william,
we'll
make
sure
that
they
get
that
question
anybody
else.
Nick.
A
Okay,
with
that,
we
will
close
the
public
comment
period
and
bring
it
back
to
the
commissioners
first
step
mark.
If
you
want
to
address
that
contingency
question
and
then
we'll
take
it
to
the
commissioners
for
a
discussion.
N
The
unfortunate
thing
for
all
of
us
when
we
develop
these
projects
is
we
don't
know
what
the
future
holds
on
adjacent
parcels.
We're
actually
leasing
the
land
for
that
burned
out
area
for
the
next
couple
years
for
lay
down
area
and
construction
and
delivery,
so
we're
a
little
less
disruptive
to
the
community.
While
we
build
these
buildings,
we
don't
know
what
the
future
holds.
N
It's
a
very
small
parcel
and
just
so
that
everybody
knows
we
actually
approached
them
when
the
fire
occurred
to
say
hey,
you
know,
we
don't
know
what
your
future
plans
are,
but
we'd
love
to
buy
it
and
incorporate
it
in
our
project
and
that
that
wasn't
of
interest
to
them
so
it
there.
You
always
run
the
the
risk
that
someone
builds
something
big
and
screams
our
west
face.
There's
there's
no
way
to
really
avoid
that.
A
Okay,
thank
you,
commissioners,
discussion
questions
for
staff
and
our
applicant.
H
A
Unfortunately,
we
have
this
one
in
front
of
us,
and
so
we
can't
combine
them
unless
staff
has
something
that
I
don't
know
how
to
do,
how
to
do
that
so
I'll.
Let
katelyn
respond
to
that.
K
Now
that's
a
really
good
question,
and
originally
the
intent
was
to
bring
both
of
these
sites
to
the
planning
commission
for
one
meeting,
so
the
project
could
be
discussed
as
a
whole
when
the
the
second
round
submittal
was
brought
in
after
the
first
set
of
comments
were
addressed.
K
The
southern
building
was
in
a
place
that
it
could
be
moved
forward
to
the
planning
commission
for
their
review
and
decision,
whereas
the
northland
building
did
have
a
few
more
revisions
that
eric
james
who's,
the
planner
on
on
that
building
and
the
development
team
are
working
through.
So
while
it
was
the
intent
originally
to
bring
both
of
the
applications
to
the
planning
commission
during
one
meeting,
it
just
happened
to
not
work
out
that
way.
A
So
caitlyn,
I
think,
amy's
question
is:
is
it
possible
to
combine
these
to
not
vote
on
this
tonight
and
then
combining
them
with
the
other
one?
I
think
that's
what
she
was
getting
at
so.
C
So
this
is
this
is
nick
generally,
because
these
these
properties
are
not
adjoined,
they
may
be
related,
but
they're,
not
adjoined.
We
have
to
view
them
as
different
projects
that
could
stand
on
their
own,
and
so
that's
that's
what
makes
this
different
than
if
it
were
two
buildings
on
adjacent
parcels
where
we
can
do
them
as
one
kind
of
development
site,
but
because
these
are
separated
by
a
street.
C
H
Ask
the
developer,
then,
the
owner,
if
applicant,
if
they,
if
the
other
building,
will
be
similar
to
this
one.
If
it's
going
to
look
like
it
and
have
a
lot
of
the
same
characteristics.
D
E
D
Darker
in
nature,
there's
a
lot
of
you
know:
grays
there
are
earth
tones,
but
the
both
of
the
buildings,
some
and
also
very
intentionally,
and
unfortunately,
they're
not
being
heard
together.
But
again
they
are
two
separate
sort
of
buildings
and
projects
is
going
to
cater
to
a
different
crowd.
It
is,
it
is
our
more
it's
a
larger
building,
it's
more
fully
amenitized,
although
these
residents
and
this
building
will
have
access
to
it
and
it
is
more
of
a
market
rate
project.
So
the
design
of
the
building
is
is
different.
E
Based
on
the
information
on
the
staff
report,
the
information
presented
did
the
input
received
during
the
public
hearing.
I
moved.
The
planning
commission
approved
the
design
review
for
the
alta
terra
sugar
house,
south
building
at
approximately
1132
east
ashton,
avenue
petition
feel
and
pcm
2021-00691.
A
A
E
A
E
N
A
And
brenda
yes,
okay,
that
motion
passes
unanimously,
we'll
see
you
not
too
long
mark
and
michael
on
your
next
project,
but
you're
good
to
go
on
this
one
thanks
for
coming
tonight.
Thank.
K
This
is
a
request
by
paul
dowland
and
his
team
to
amend
the
general
plan
from
low
density
residential,
which
allows
zones
allowing
one
to
ten
delorean
units
per
acre
to
medium
density,
residential
which
allows
11
to
15
dollar
units
per
acre
and
that
general
plan
amendment
is
needed
to
facilitate
the
zoning
math
amendment
from
r1
5000
residential
to
rmf
45..
K
The
applicant
is
requesting
these
map
amendments
in
order
to
facilitate
an
eight
unit,
townhome
development
at
approximately
1902
south
400
east.
It
is
a
corner
property
and
the
applicant
has
provided
a
general
site
plan
of
what
their
proposal
would
look
like
if
these
applications
or
if
these
amendments
were
to
be
approved
by
the
city
council.
K
K
K
I've
included
a
table
here
that
lists
the
potential
land
use
changes.
If
the
zoning
map
amendment
is
to
be
approved,
new
permitted
uses
would
include
a
variety
of
dwellings,
ranging
from
single
family
attached
to
assisted
living
facilities
to
multi-family
dwellings.
It
would
also
allow
nursing
care
facilities
as
a
new
committed
use.
K
K
Items
changing
from
permitted
to
not
allowed
would
include
dormitories
or
fraternity
or
sorority
homes.
Those
are
currently
allowed
under
the
existing
zoning.
They
would
not
be
allowed
as
part
of
the
rmf-45
zone
and
then
changing
land
uses
from
conditional
to
committeds
would
include
community
gardens,
accessory
dwelling
units
assisted
living
facilities
and
small
congregate
care
facilities.
K
K
Potential
lot
and
bulk
changes.
We
have
the
the
adopted
building
height
setback,
building
coverage.
All
of
those
lot
standards
for
both
the
existing
r1
5000
zone,
as
well
as
the
proposed
rm45
zoning
district.
K
I
guess
one
of
the
largest
differences
would
be
that
the
allowed
building
pipe
would
jump
from
28
feet
from
pitch
groups
to
up
to
45
feet
in
this
zone,
and
then
the
maximum
building
coverage
would
go
from
40
percent
to
60
percent.
If
those
map
amendments
were
to
be
adopted.
K
K
It
was
a
fairly
small
meeting,
so
we
didn't
get
a
large
amount
of
feedback
from
it,
but
as
time
progressed,
we
did
begin
to
receive
dozens
of
public
comments
as
as
part
of
this
process,
copies
of
those
have
been
included
in
your
staff
report
and
in
your
dropbox
and
a
few
more
of
them
have
come
in
today
since
the
publication
of
the
staff
report.
K
K
A
218.50.050
of
our
zoning
ordinance
staff
is
recommending
that
the
planning
commission
forward
a
negative
recommendation
of
these
requests
to
the
city
council,
primarily
because
the
master
plans
in
the
area
and
a
lot
of
our
other
planning
documents,
such
as
clan
salt
lake
recommend
for
higher
density
uses
to
be
located
closer
to
areas
that
are
readily
served
by
transit
and
they
encourage
incremental
density
increases
within
existing
neighborhoods
and
staff,
made
the
determination
that
this
is
just
a
little
bit
more
than
an
incremental
density
change.
K
K
This
is
the
end
of
my
presentation,
I'm
happy
to
take
any
questions
that
you
have.
A
A
I
can
hear
you:
do
you
have
a
presentation,
you
need
a
presenter
privileges
for.
O
No,
I
think
I
I
sent
I
sent
caitlyn
a
a
couple
of
exhibits
we
might
want
to.
We
might
want
to
have
her
shape
here
in
a
moment.
O
Thank
you,
madam
chair
and
planning
commissioners
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
speak.
We
have
really
no
formal
presentation
tonight
we're
hoping
to
engage
in
just
a
dialogue
with
you,
because
we
know
that
this
is
a
wrestle
type
project
and
paul
dallin.
The
owner
and
developer
of
this
project
has
asked
me
to
speak
on
his
behalf
tonight.
O
O
Commissioners.
I
this
this
this
council
is.
This
planning
commission
is
no
stranger
to
these
type
of
projects
and
wrestling
with
some
of
the
newer
plans
like
plant
salt
lake
city
and
and
the
city
housing
plans.
O
We
know
that
there
was
a
similar
project
back
in,
I
believe,
2019
or
20
the
cleveland
court
project
in
liberty
wells
as
well.
This
is
just
kind
of
a
straightforward,
straightforward
project.
This
is
a
vacant
lot.
My
client
purchased
this
lot
in
2020
and
talking
with
the
prior
owners.
O
I
believe
they
were
engaging
in
dialogue
with
the
city
about
possibilities
for
development
here
when
we
reviewed
the
master
plan,
fully
acknowledged
that
the
you
know
that
the
central
community
district
is
subject
to,
among
other
planning
documents,
the
central
master
plan,
which
provides
for
preservation
of
historic
structures
and
neighborhoods,
and
that's
certainly
an
important
goal.
O
Yet
we
know
that
the
central
master
plan
was
created
and
adopted
in
2005
when
market
dynamics
were
much
different
and
may
even
conflict
with
more
modern
goals
and
policies
of
the
of
the
city.
As
adopted
in
the
current
master
plan
and
the
city
housing
plan
relating
to
creating
diversity
of
housing
types,
we
would
like
to
engage
with
the
planning
commission
and
with
with
staff
on
you
know.
O
O
You
know
implementing
the
goals
and
objectives
and
policies
you
know
is
adopted
in
the
city's
planning
documents,
but
it's
a
real
balancing
act
between
looking
at
some
of
the
existing
rules
and
regulations,
while
exercising
some
level
of
flexibility
to
achieve-
and
you
know,
responsive
change
that
will
you
know,
encourage
the
market
to
develop
these
type
of
diverse
and
affordable
housing
units,
and
so
that's
kind
of
where
we're
at.
I
don't
think
we
have
a
lot
of
sexy
stuff
to
present.
O
We
just
feel
that,
given
the
current
goals
of
the
city
and
a
lot
of
your
planning
documents
and
the
master
plan,
this
project
could
be
tweaked
to
we're
hoping
fit
within
within
some
of
your
goals
to
provide
what
we
would
call
this
missing:
middle
housing
component
and
caitlin.
Maybe
you
can
put
up
this
one
little.
Can
you
put
up
the
three
to
five
unit
or
three
to
four
unit.
O
Exhibit
planning
commission
members
if
you
do
a
drive-through
of
this
of
this
neighborhood.
You
know
it's
really
shows
various
types
of
over
the
years.
O
Multi-Family
duplexes
triplexes
different
apartments
that
have
been
built
over
the
years
and
if
you
do
just
go
to
the
salt
lake,
assessor's
parcel
map
and
and
do
a
simple
search
of
unit
type
land
type
and
go
into
and
put
in
113-3
to
4
units
you're
going
to
see
that
all
these
green
areas
are
are
areas
within
liberty,
wells
close
to
the
subject,
property,
which
is
the
red
dot,
and
you
just
see
all
these
all
these
units
there
being
a
set
or
these
homes
that
are
being
assessed,
as
is
multiple
units,
and
I
called
the
assessor's
office
and
asked
well.
O
How
is
this
possible
and
they
gave
me
a
variety
of
reasons-
they
could
be
all
separately
metered,
these
different
rooms.
They
could
have
separate
mailboxes,
mls
recordings
and
those
type
of
things.
So
it's
you
know
it
looks
like
people
are-
are,
are
basically
using.
Some
of
these
single-family
was
supposed
to
be
single-family
residences
and
they're,
they're
they're
using
them
for
other
uses
as
well,
which
brings
up
interesting
considerations
that
they're,
you
know,
there's
no
adequate
off
street
parking
and
these
types
of
things
our
units.
O
A
Okay,
I
will
start-
and
please
give
me
your
reasoning-
why
you're
asking
for
rmf
45
versus
some
other
density
zone
that,
like
rmf
35
or
something
else,
what
what
led
you
to
this
zone,
that
you're
asking
for.
O
Well,
this
was
between
paul
and
john
davis,
the
architect.
They
had
come
up
with
this
proposal
to
get
a
minimum
density
of
of
eight
units
on
this
project,
which
they
felt
would
pencil
better,
but
I
will
readily
offer
up
right
now.
The
developer
is
willing
to
negotiate
with
this
council
or
with
this
commission,
you
know
to
consider
rfm
at
35,
and
you
know
I
wasn't
sure,
but
you
know,
would
this
property
be
open
for
form-based
zoning
such
as
the
urban
neighborhood?
O
I
know
that
was
kind
of
a
hot
button
on
the
cleveland
court
project
a
few
years
ago,
but
that's
our
answer.
We,
you
know
if
you
look
right
down
literally
across
the
street,
to
the
southeast
there's
the
saint
joseph
velas,
which
are
which
is
zoned
rfms35.
A
Yes,
it
is
commissioners,
any
other
questions
at
this
time
for
the
applicant.
O
Great
question-
and
I
wish
I
wish
paul-
was
here
to
answer
that,
to
my
knowledge,
they
have
not
they've,
not
considered
it,
but
I
mean
they
could,
I
believe,
subdivide
the
lot
into
subdivide
belong
into.
Two
that
would
meet
would
would
be
zoning.
O
But
again
you
know
my
client
is
not
I
mean
if
you
do
that
and
you
you
apply,
you
know
what
they
paid
for
the
lot
and
then
you
know
an
average
3000
square
foot
home
with
a
price
of
you
know
300
per
square
foot,
which
is
kind
of
common
here
in
the
area.
O
Right
now
you
know
you're
looking
at
you
know
almost
a
million
dollar
home
right
off
the
bat
and-
and
so
he
was
interested
to
see
if
the
this,
the
planning,
commission
and
the
staff
would
engage
in
dialogue
to
see.
If,
if
this,
given
it's
a
corner
lot
and
they're
or
a
lot
of
you
know,
the
rfmf
35
is
close
by.
If
this
could
be
something
that
we
could,
we
could
talk
about.
H
O
Amy,
that
is
that
is
it
is
that
is
a
beautiful
mansion,
and
you
know
my
client
is
is
not
planning
on
building
that
that
that
type
of
home
on
on
this,
this
particular
corner
lot.
A
Okay,
at
this
time,
we'll
move
on
to
the
public
hearing
portion,
but
mr
jelly
stick
around
because
we'll
cycle
back
to
you,
after
that,
where
we'll
probably
have
more
things
to
discuss
at
that
point,
okay,
we're
going
to
open
the
public
comment
period.
If
you
are
here-
and
you
wish
to
speak,
there's
a
couple
things
I
just
want
to
go
over.
One
raise
your
hand
at
the
bottom
right
hand
corner.
So
nick
can
call
on
you
when
you
have
been
unmuted,
please
state
your
name
for
the
record.
A
A
I
will
pose
those
questions
to
staff
and
or
applicant,
but
we
will
not
stop
to
do
a
back
and
forth
q
a,
but
you
should
certainly
feel
free
to
use
your
two
minutes,
how
you
wish
all
right
nick
and
then,
if
you
do
not
want
to
wish
to
speak,
but
you
do
want
comments
written
into
the
read
into
the
record:
go
ahead
and
email
planning
dot
comments
at
slcgov.com
all
right.
Nick.
Do
you
see
anyone
here
from
the
community
council
which
would
be
liberty,
wells.
C
I
do
not
recognize
the
name,
but
we'll
just
go
down
the
list
and
if
somebody
from
the
is
representing
the
community
council,
if
they
just
let
us
know
when
we
unmute
them,
we
can
go
from
there,
so
starting
just
in
alphabetical
order.
The
first
name
is
cindy
cromer
cindy.
You
are
unmuted.
E
E
The
lot
coverage
and
the
height
of
a
potential
development
are
all
inappropriate
for
this
neighborhood
to
the
issue
of
non-conforming
density,
which
showed
up
on
the
county
assessors
map
that
makes
the
properties
more
valuable
as
income
property.
And
if
you
proceed
with
this
kind
of
rezoning,
then
the
existing
or
naturally
occurring
affordable
units
will
be
wiped
out
by
redevelopment
because
the
land
is
so
valuable.
Now
the
the
saga
of
the
saint
joseph's
filet
is
a
very
ugly
story,
full
of
the
city's
mistakes
and
st
joseph
phillips
willingness
to
violate
its
own
master
plan.
E
But
the
thing
that
I
want
to
tell
you
that
nobody
seems
to
know
about
is
that
this
property
has
a
soils
and
a
water
problem
about
25
years
ago
the
owner
asked
me
for
advice
on
bog
plants.
Now
that's
a
pretty
unusual
request
in
salt
lake
city,
so
I
said
why:
why
do
you
need
bald
bog
plants?
E
Well,
she
had
spring
on
the
north
side
in
the
huge
north
side
yard,
and
it
turns
out
that
there
was
an
old
well,
it's
about
25
feet,
deep,
she
put
a
liner
in
it.
She
asked
all
sorts
of
people
for
permission
and
they
said
it
was
just
fine
for
her
to
use
the
water,
so
she
proceeded
to
water,
her
yard
for
years
with
the
water
from
the
well.
I
believe
that
well
has
now
been
capped,
but
that
is
a
substantial
obstacle
to
redevelopment
at
this
site
and
everybody
should
be
aware
of
it.
A
Okay,
thank
you
cindy
appreciate
your
comments.
P
P
We
have
a
five-year-old
autistic
son
and
just
having
that
much
more
people
in
the
neighborhood
he
likes
to
ride
his
bike
everywhere
and
just
changing
the
whole
infrastructure
I
feel
of
our
neighborhood.
I
love
liberty
wells.
The
way
it
is.
I've
lived
there.
My
whole
life
born
into
this
neighborhood.
I
live
in
the
home
that
I
grew
up
in
my
grandparents
live
down
the
street.
P
I
have
a
sister
that
lives
on
the
other
corner,
so
much
family
around
here
and
just
to
have
a,
I
feel,
like
it'd,
just
be
a
huge
eyesore
and
wouldn't
add
to
the
community.
Having
that,
I
hate
the
new
apartments
that
are
on
21st
and
4th
east.
I
wish
I
would
have
got
something
for
that
when
that
was
happening,
but
at
least
on
21st,
it's
there
on
that
busy
street,
but
I
just
feel
like
it's
bringing
in
more
traffic
and
just
more
people
and
at
liberty.
P
Walls
is
just
a
walking
area
where
everybody
walks
around,
and
it
just
has
that
beautiful
old
feel
to
it
where,
as
if
you're
going
to
build
in
there,
if
they
were
to
build
it
just
another
big
home,
I
wish
they
would
build
something
like
the
sears
mansion
that
was
there
before.
But
I
know
that's
not
possible,
but
just
something
to
add
to
what
our
neighborhood
already
has.
Not
all
these
big,
huge,
modern
things
that
they're
starting
to
add
everywhere.
C
A
D
My
name
is
doyle
buchanan
and
I
live
on
ramona
avenue,
which
is
about
half
a
block
south
of
the
proposed
development,
and
I
joined
this
meeting
to
learn
more
about
the
development,
I'm
tentatively
in
favor
of
the
development
of
this
parcel
for
the
following
reasons.
The
current
lot
is
an
eyesore
I
run
or
walk
by
the
lot
on
a
regular
basis.
D
D
According
to
the
notice
displayed
on
the
property,
the
proposed
buildings
are
town
homes,
which
means
that
the
owners
of
the
homes
of
the
buildings
would
actually
live
in
them
and
would
be
more
likely
to
take
an
interest
in
maintaining
and
improving
the
area,
and
I
think
this
is
preferable
to
building
rental
units
which
the
owner
does
not
occupy,
so
I'm
definitely
in
favor
of
putting
town
homes
that
would
be
owner-occupied
instead
of
rental,
and
I
believe
that
the
construction
of
the
town
homes
would
increase
the
property
values
of
the
surrounding
area,
as
it
has
done
in
sugar
house.
D
So
I
am
not
in
favor
of
a
proposed
development
being
much
taller
than
the
mansion
that
previously
occupied
it
or
the
the
assisted
living
facility
across
the
way.
So
whatever
that
height
is,
I
believe,
that's
probably
an
appropriate
height
to
not
go
over.
So
these
are
my
that's
my
concerns
in
my
my
opinion.
Thank
you.
D
I
agree
with
the
staff
recommendation
to
deny
this
proposal
and
mr
jolly
mentioned,
the
previous
owners
had
planned
to
develop
the
property,
I'm
good
friends
with
both
craig
and
lance,
and
I
and
I
want
to
clarify
what
their
development
was,
and
that
was
for
two
detached
homes.
They
subdivided
the
property.
It's
now
two
lots
and
not
a
single
lot,
so
that
alone
increases
that
doubles.
The
density.
D
The
developer
is
proposing
an
800
percent
increase
in
density,
which
is
just
inappropriate
for
this
neighborhood
it
and
it
violates
the
central
city
master
plan,
also
in
reference
to
the
saint
joseph's
apartments
across
the
street,
I'm
a
direct
neighbor
to
that
and
when
the
villa
wanted
to
build
a
four-story
development
on
the
opposite
corner,
the
city
council
unanimously
voted
against
that
and
in
that
denial
they
cited
the
saint
joseph
apartments
on
400
east
and
s
and
soren
simonson
said
that
that
was
a
bad
neighbor
to
the
neighborhood.
D
I
think,
as
the
previous
owners
had
planned,
they
subdivided
into
two
lots.
It's
my
understanding.
It
is
now
two
lots
and
I
believe
that
the
appropriate
use
to
meet
the
surrounding
neighborhood
community
and
development
is
two
homes,
and
I
I
I
strenuously
encourage
the
council
to
deny
this
zoning
change
request.
H
E
You
for
the
opportunity-
this
is
mary
pele.
I
live
about
and
technically
work,
because
I
would
come
home
now
block
and
a
half.
I
live
over
on
hollywood,
so
I
walk
this
neighborhood
constantly
the
mention
of
possible
non-conforming.
E
E
It
is
interesting
that
you
know
the
youth
would
be
called
out
when
they
just
aren't
even
in
line
with
what's
being
requested
here.
Additionally,
I
would
further
cindy
cromer's
comment
on
that
there.
This
is
liberty
wells
for
a
reason.
The
2100
south
project
that
was
also
mentioned
did
not
become
before
the
board,
because
it
was
not
an
amendment
change.
There
was
no
zoning
change,
they
had
to
delay
and
rebuild
and
restructure
multiple
times
because
of
the
water
impact
and
flooding.
E
That
project
is
still
currently
dumping
water
into
the
state,
our
waterways
onto
our
roads,
and
so
this
is
a
project
that,
if
to
build
a
foundation
for
this
kind
of
structure,
they're
going
to
run
into
the
same
issue,
especially
with
the
known
wells
in
the
area
I
apologize,
my
child
has
decided.
He
needs
me
at
this
point
on
the
the
working
from
home.
I
think
this
neighborhood
is
filled
with
single
mothers
and
single
families
and
parents.
E
E
Is
he
tom
daley
yourself
addressed
that
some
of
the
reasons
they
were
given
was
that
maybe
there
was
an
llc
or
something
to
that?
I
may
be
misquoting
the
language
for
it,
but
that
people
have
given
tax
rates
basically
onto
their
address
overlaying
their
home
usage.
C
All
right
just
a
reminder
to
those
who
have
already
spoken.
If
you
click
on
that
hand,
icon
again,
it'll
lower
your
hand,
so
we
make
sure
that
we
don't
miss
anybody,
but
next
up
we
have
charlene
kohara
charlene.
You
are
unmuted.
A
Maybe
we
can
move
on
to
the
next
one
and
if
charlene
is
having
trouble
being
hurt,
then
she
cannot.
Oh.
L
I
am
now
available
to
talk.
Thank
you,
I'm
unmuted,
I
apologize
so
yes,
my
name
is
charlene
kuhara
and
I
am
a
resident
in
the
liberty
wells
area
too,
on
ramona
avenue.
So
my
property
is,
I
guess
it
would
be.
My
backyard
will
be
kitty
corner
to
the
proposed
development
and
as
a
resident
I
agree
with
the
other
residents
here.
I
really
appreciated
the
staff
report.
I
was
able
to
look
at
it
today
and
I
also
wrote
a
letter,
so
that's
in
in
your
files.
L
I
didn't
know
about
the
the
ordinance
and
the
city
planning
and
all
of
that,
but
it
does
make
sense.
I
purchased
my
home,
my
I'm
a
first-time
home
owner
prior
to
the
pandemic,
and
I
love
my
neighborhood.
There
may
be
rentals
in
the
area,
but
people
have
lived
in
these
homes
for
many
many
years,
and
I
know
all
of
my
neighbors
on
most
of
my
neighbors
on
the
area
of
ramona,
where
I
live.
L
I
had
45
trick-or-treaters
come
this
last
october,
which
means
that
it's
a
very
family,
oriented
and
walkable
area,
and
I
do
agree
with
the
report
that
eight
units
you
know
looking
at
the
proposed
plan.
I
know
we're
not
you
know
to
consider
that.
L
But
if
there's
three
bedrooms
even
in
an
eight
unit
each
it
would
be,
you
know
24
or
more
people
on
that
third
of
an
acre
which
would
really
highly
impact,
as
well
as
the
height
restriction
or
the
height
allowance,
that
the
new
zoning
would
allow
this
comes
into
play
with
not
only
traffic
and
noise,
but
lighting.
You
know
things
that
we
would,
I
guess,
would
impact
our
neighborhood.
L
In
terms
of
you
know
the
trash
and
the
garbage
collection,
and
all
of
that
I,
our
neighborhood,
is
very
walkable
the
residents,
even
in
saint
joseph's,
villa
they
come
out
and
they
sit
in
front
of
their
apartments.
L
D
D
Nearby
and
on
westminster,
it
was
interesting
when
I
was
looking
for
information
when
it
was
announced
that
the
property
turned
over
dowling
said
they
were
open
to
talking
with
the
city
about
a
different
type
of
zoning.
D
So
I'm
just
curious
how
we
got
to
the
end
zone
here
now
that
we're
before
the
planning
commission
for
a
decision
on
what
the
applicant
even
admits
might
not
be
the
right
fit
like
if
that
was
even
the
right
thing,
because
optically
it
just
seems
very
problematic,
it
doesn't
seem
like
it's
going
to
go
well,
and
so
I
guess
I'm
curious.
It's
back
to
amy's.
First
question:
why
rmf45?
D
I
would
love
to
hear
if
there
was
more
explanation,
but
you
know
from
judging
the
only
documents
that
we
have
eight
boxes
on
a
piece
of
paper.
It
looks
like
there's.
No
street
engagement,
there's
not
really
much
to
go
on
so
would
love
to
hear
if
the
applicant
has
any
more
information
on
what
a
different
zoning
type
might
be
for
the
property.
What
this
could
maybe
turn
into
and
sorry
to
ask
a
question
during
public
comment,
but
hey
that's
what
I
do
bye.
C
All
right
next
up
is
vincent
g
vincent.
You
are
unmuted.
M
M
If
the
people
of
liberty
wells
had
it
their
way,
the
parcel
would
become
a
community
garden.
No
one
wants
to
see
anything
built
there.
I
remember
the
first
time
I
saw
the
sears
mansion
on
the
corner
of
westminster,
ave
and
400
east
one
of
the
most
beautiful
homes
I
had
ever
seen.
The
vernacular
architecture
was
perhaps
the
pinnacle
of
mormon
settler
architecture
and
added
to
the
community's
sense
of
place
and
identity.
M
I
loved
the
home
so
much.
I
sent
the
listing
photos
of
the
sears
mansion
from
the
facebook
page
for
the
love
of
old
homes
to
friends
and
family
who
were
astounded
by
the
preservation
and
character.
The
magnificent
architecture
no
longer
stands
and
is
greatly
missed
and
anything
after
this
is
a
compromise.
M
The
home
stood
in
its
red
brick,
victorian
glory,
set
back
60
feet
from
westminster,
avenue
and
50
feet
from
400
east
neighboring
homes
are
set
back
about
30
feet
from
the
road
and
st
joseph's
villa
is
also
30
feet
from
the
road
allowing
for
the
historical
tree-lined
character
of
the
neighborhood
to
persist
in
order
for
the
new
development
to
remotely
enhance
the
community,
the
new
buildings
need
to
be
set
back
at
least
30
feet
right
now.
The
plans
show
the
building
setback
from
the
road
only
12
feet.
M
M
G
Hello
hi,
thank
you
for
letting
me
talk.
I
I
live
on
westminster
avenue
about
two
or
three
hundred
feet
from
the
the
property
and
I'm
here
to
just
voice,
support
general
support
for
construction
of
higher
density
homes,
and,
although
I
understand
many
of
my
neighbors
see,
that
is
out
of
character
for
our
neighborhood
and
it
certainly
is
a
little
bit
out
of
character
except
for,
of
course,
we
have
a
very
tall
rehab
hospital.
That's
extremely
large
right
next
to
us
already,
so
I
don't
think
it's
that
out
of
character.
G
Two,
I
think,
and
my
position
on
support
for
this
change
of
zoning
is
that
we're
living
in
probably
the
strangest
time
I've
ever
seen
for
housing.
Many
of
the
people
here
speaking
I'm
almost
sure
of
it,
including
myself,
could
not
afford
the
home
that
we
purchased
even
several
years
ago,
and
I
bought
my
home
five
years
ago
and
I
there's
no
way
I
could
afford
this
home.
So
if
it
gets
turned
into
one
or
two
lots,
we
hear
the
developer
and
three
hundred
dollars
a
square
foot.
G
G
You
know
press
the
panic
button
here
on
what
housing
is
going
to
do
to
our
community
if
we
don't
provide
more
density,
there's
density
all
around
us,
but
liberty
wells
hasn't
participated
in
that
because
of
an
archaic
planning
document
from
before
the
time
when
this
was
an
issue,
so
I
really
think
it's
time
for
a
change,
and
I
do
that.
I'm
a
university
professor.
I
talk
to
my
students
every
day
and
this
is
weighing
on
them
very
heavily.
G
A
C
G
Hey
my
name
is
bailey
cooper.
I
live
in
liberty,
wells
and
I
currently
rent
my
house
because
I've
seen
the
absurd
property
values
in
the
area.
I
would
love
to
own
a
home
in
the
area.
This
is
where
we'd
like
to
be.
I've
talked
with
a
lot
of
peers
and
a
lot
of
people
just
friends
and
whatnot,
and
we
see
the
value
in
adding
more
properties
to
our
neighborhood
and
just
giving
people
an
opportunity
to
live
in
an
area
that
we
see.
You
know
growth
potential
for
not
only
ourselves
but
our
future
families.
G
G
What
we
could
afford
would
be
on
the
east
side
or
the
the
west
side
of
15,
and
we
look
at
the
schools
and
just
the
quality
of
living
and
it's
obviously
just
not
up
to
par
for
what
we'd
like
for
our
family,
and
I
just
sugar
house
is
very
diverse
and
if
you
look
at
utah
we're
not
a
very
diverse
state,
I'm
from
atlanta
and
we
just
want
to
grow
up.
G
C
J
Yeah,
so
we
have
an
email
from
the
liberty
wells
community
council,
sarah
edelman,
and
I
can
read
that
into
the
record.
Dear
caitlyn,
the
liberty
wells
community
council
conducted
a
neighborhood
survey
concerning
the
proposed
rezone
of
the
property
at
1902,
south
1400
east,
from
residential
r1
5000
to
rmf
45.
J
78
of
the
residents
who
responded
to
the
survey
are
opposed
to
the
rezoning,
citing
concerns
about
the
allowed
height,
the
height
of
up
to
45
feet
tall
with
the
additional
allowances
of
up
to
55
feet
during
the
design.
Review
process
would
be
out
of
place
in
a
neighborhood
with
predominantly
single-family
homes
and
two-story
apartment
complexes.
The
liberty
wells
community
council
is
not
opposed
to
increased
housing
density.
J
We
have
supported
several
projects
along
the
corridors
of
our
community,
including
the
capitol
home
apartments
and
the
coachman's
rezoning
request
on
state
street,
as
well
as
several
development
projects
along
along
900,
south
and
2100
south.
However,
we
do
not
support
the
rezoning
of
this
property,
given
the
existing
character
of
their
surrounding
neighborhood.
A
And
I
also
see
no
additional
hands
raised
right.
Okay,
given
that
we
will
close
the
public
hearing,
we're
going
to
bring
it
back
to
the
commission
for
a
discussion,
and
I
think
taylor
anderson's
question
is
probably
best
suited
for
caitlin,
so
katelyn
when,
when
the
applicant
came
to
you
and
signed
to
you,
did
you
look
at
other
zones
that
might
be
applicable
or
is?
A
Is
the
rmf
45
strictly
what
he
needed
for
density
and
because
we
don't
have
an
actual
plan
like
we
as
commissioners?
We're
not
we're
not
looking
at
any
specific
plan,
we're
looking
at
what
could
happen
in
this
zone?
Is
it
appropriate
for
this
area?
But
what
else
did
you
look
at
caitlyn.
K
K
A
Do
you
know,
because
we
know
st
joseph
villa
is
an
rmf
35?
Is
it
35
feet
tall.
A
That
would
be
great
and
then
I
don't
know
the
form-based
codes
is
still
this
enigma
for
me.
But
what
is
the
criteria?
I'm
I'm
assuming
it's
really
only
along
transit
lines
and
not
appropriate
for
this
location,
but
this
was
brought
up
by
the
applicant
and
I
don't
know
the
answer.
What
is
it.
K
That's
another
good
question
and
unfortunately
I
don't
have
a
lot
of
experience
in
working
with
form
based
codes
in
salt
lake
city,
so
I
would
have
to
defer
to
someone
on
the
management
team
as
to
which
context
those
types
of
zones
would
fit
best
with.
C
They
can
trigger
house
along
the
s-lite,
there's
the
central,
ninth
neighborhood
and
then
there's
a
few
other
places
where
some
different
elements
of
the
form-based
codes
have
been
used.
C
For
example,
the
fbun1,
which
allows
up
to
townhomes
things
like
that
is
mapped
in
some
other
places,
including
one
site
that
is
in
liberty,
wells
of
the
cleveland
court
project
that
the
planning
commission
saw
a
couple
years
ago
at
this
point
and
then
there's
some
also
on
the
along
the
near
the
jordan
river
off
of
900
west
next
to
one
of
the
parks
where
there
are
some
town
homes
as
well
and
then
in
some
other
portions
of
900
west,
around
900,
south,
so
fairly,
contextual
right
now,
our
form
based
codes
are
written
to
take
a
a
market-based
approach
to
parking,
meaning
there's
no
minimum
parking
requirements.
A
Okay,
caitlin,
even
though
we
don't
have
a
specific
project
before
us,
one
of
the
commenters
brought
up
this
issue
of
setbacks
and
like
setbacks,
and
I
live
in
an
rmf,
35
and
and
so
I'm
pretty
sure,
a
setback
for
an
rms,
35
or
45
is
much
less
than
30
feet.
A
Yeah,
I
think
it's
we.
We
definitely
have
that,
but
the
public
doesn't
always
get
to
read
the
whole
report.
So
if
we
could
address
that,
I
think
it'll
help
our
discussion.
A
K
K
A
Will
you
want
to
weigh
in
and
in
the
discussion
questions.
C
Oh,
the
lot
is
just
over
a
couple
hundred
feet
over
14
000
square
feet
and
how
density
is
calculated
in
the
rmf
35
zone
is
that
you
get
three
units
for
the
first
9
000
square
feet
of
lot
area
and
then
each
additional
unit
up
to
11
additional
units
requires
2
000
square
feet
per
unit.
So
this
property
could
have
five
units
on
it
under
the
rmf
35.
A
Commissioners,
any
other
questions
and
discussions.
B
That's
a
very
interesting
calculation
nick
I
the
the
applicant,
did
not
ask
for
that,
though.
That's
not
what
we're
reviewing
tonight
and-
and
we
really
don't-
have
the
capability
of
negotiating
that
at
a
planning
commission
meeting.
B
So
so
I
think
in
general
that
I
I
agree
with
almost
all
the
comments
made
actually
including
the
ones
that
suggested
that
we
need
more
density
and
we
need
more
housing,
even
though
these
units,
although
they
might
not
be
a
million
dollars,
they're,
going
to
be
400
000
for
sure,
so
that,
but
that's
neither
here
nor
there
we
need.
You
know
we
do
need
more
housing,
but
I
don't
feel
like
this
has
been
thought
through
very
well
on
the
part
of
the
applicant
and
and
so
therefore
I
would
be.
A
Any
other
thoughts
to
discussion
anyway.
D
A
Well,
he
one
of
the
the
I
wrote
down
stuff
sure
we
can't.
I
didn't
see
anything
that
was
different
from
what
he
had
brought
up
as
wanting
to
discuss.
But,
mr
jolly,
if
you
want
to
take
a
moment
a
couple
of
minutes
to
address
any
of
the
comments
that
stood
out
to
you,
please
feel
free.
O
Sugar
welch,
thank
you,
everyone
who
showed
up
and
voiced
comments.
I
always
enjoy
these
type
of
meetings
as
I
represent
developers
across
the
state,
and
I
think
it's
critical
part
of
the
process.
O
I
you
know
I
I
think
I
think
from
our
perspective
we
can
create
a
product
here
that
that
the
community
could
be
proud
of,
and
we
in
hindsight
probably
should
have
done
a
better
job,
communicating
with
caitlin
and
staff
on
on
the
appropriate
zoning,
but
this
has
been
very
illustrative
for
for
me
in
particular,
and
I'll
convey
it
to
paul,
and
you
know
and
and
because
I
I
think
that
it's
a
real
wrestle.
I
mean
the
planning
commission
has
to
deal
with
this
quite
frequently.
O
Salt
lake
needs
more
affordable
housing,
but
then
you
have
folks
that
you
know
they
don't
want
it
and
then
there's
the
preservation
portion
of
it.
So
there's
no
easy
answer.
I
guess
what
we're
looking
for
tonight
would
be.
You
know:
can
we
continue
a
dialogue
with
staff
and
in
the
commission
on
these
important
issues.
A
Thank
you.
I
think
that
is
entirely
up
to
you
as
the
applicant
before
the
planning
commission.
Tonight
we
are
looking
at
what
type
of
a
recommendation.
We
would
give
the
city
council
for
these
two
items
for
the
plan
map
amendment
and
the
zoning
map
amendment.
So
you
are
free
to
continue
your
dialogue
with
staff
regardless
of
that
commissioners.
A
If
you
have
no
other
further
comments
or
discussion
points,
I
would
be
looking
for
a
motion
and
there
are
two
separate
motions
that
need
to
be
made
so
one
at
a
time,
but
amy
did
you
raise
your
hand
that
you
had
a
wanted
to
make
a
comment.
H
Based
on
the
information
in
the
staff
report,
the
information
presented
and
the
input
received
during
the
public
hearing,
I
move
that
the
planning
commission
forward
a
negative
recommendation
to
the
city
council
for
the
requested
general
map,
amendment
from
low
density
residential
one
to
five
dwelling
units
per
acre
to
medium
density,
residential
15
to
30
dwelling
units
per
acre
for
.33
acres
at
approximately
1902
south
400
east,
with
the
following
finding
number
one.
The
requested
map
amendment
is
not
consistent
with
the
considerations
within
section
21a.
C
A
C
Can
I
this
is
nick?
Can
I
just
ask
a
question?
It
seemed
like
the
applicant
was
somewhat
open
to
perhaps
modifying
their
application,
and
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
the
commission
knows
what
all
of
what
their
options
are.
If
you're
making
a
recommendation.
C
If
the
applicant
wants
to
you,
you
do
also
have
the
option
to
table
this
proposal
to
give
the
applicant
some
time
to
perhaps
meet
with
planning
staff
to
discuss
options
of
other
zoning
districts,
so
they
can
amend
their
application
to
a
different
zone
that
might
reflect
some
of
the
comments
and
be
more
of
an
appropriate
scale
as
to
what
I've
heard
the
planning
commission
talk
about,
and
if
that's,
if
that's
something
that
the
planning
commission
has
a
desire
to
do,
then,
maybe
before,
as
part
of
the
discussion
on
the
motion
that
be
considered
one
of
the
what
happens
if
they,
if
you
make
a
recommendation.
C
Then,
basically,
all
the
negotiating
negotiation
moving
forward
is
with
the
council
and
not
necessarily
the
planning
staff,
because
we
we
have
to
forward
your
recommendation
onto
the
council,
so
I
just
want
to
put
that
out
there
so
that
people
are
aware
of
what
that
process
looks
like
based
on
whatever
the
motion
the
commission
decides.
A
Thank
you
for
that
reminder
and
yeah,
so
we
can
open
it
up
for
a
discussion.
B
So,
nick
I'm
sorry
I
have
a
question
the
applicant.
If
we
do
a
negative
recommendation,
does
it
have
to
go
to
city
council
or
can
the
applicant
withdraw
at
that
point.
C
B
I
understand
if
the
applicant
starts
over:
does
that
a
significant
increase
in
time
for
them
to
get
approval
for
what
they
want
to
do.
A
Oh
I'm
sorry,
mr
jolly,
because
we're
in
we're
speaking
to
the
motion,
so
it's
just
for
commissioners
but
sorry,
that's
a
procedural
one!
Sorry
for
that
yeah.
A
Table-
and
we
have
done
that
in
the
past-
we
have
done
that
in
the
past
many
times
hey.
This
was
my.
H
H
E
A
Thank
you.
That
was
a
wonderful
motion
by
you
amy,
so
it's
nothing
to
do
with
you,
and
it
was
my
fault
for
not
remembering
that
we
have
this
option
before
us,
so
we
can
have
a
discussion
to
the
motion.
If
commissioners
are
indicating
that
they
prefer
tabling,
then
we
can
cycle
back
and
and
do
a
different
motion.
H
E
I
personally
would
be
in
favor
of
tabling
to
see
if
we
can
come
up
with
an
alternative
or
or
a
way
to
at
least
tie
a
development
plan
to
the
re-zone,
so
we're
not
open-ended
in
our
approval.
I
know
that
that's
not
always
looked
upon
favorably,
but
I
think
this
is
a
situation.
J
M
A
We
have
an
offer
to
withdraw
first
amy
burroughs.
Would
you
go
ahead
and
say
it.
H
B
A
A
That,
okay,
I
have
a
motion
to
table
from
brenda
in
a
second
from
sarah
and
say
no
discussions
to
that.
Let's
take
a
vote.
Maureen.
E
Yeah,
I
do
want
to
say
there
is
some
good
potential
for
discussion
in
this
particular
case
and
that's
the
reason
why
I
think
tabling
is
is
is
good,
so
I
will
vote
yes.
E
E
A
Okay,
with
that,
we
have
finished
the
public
hearing
portion
of
our
meeting
and
the
most
of
the
public
can
have
the
ability
to
get
off
now,
but
we
still
have
an
ethics
conflict
of
interest
training
and
I
believe
sarah
will
probably
wish
to
say
goodbye,
since
she
doesn't
need
to
sit
in
for
this.
I
am
ethical
enough.
A
Okay,
good
night,
all
right
with
that
hannah,
if
you
want
to
take
the
take
the
training
lead.
Thank.
I
You
let
me
pull
up
my
slides
here.
I
All
right
so
tonight,
thanks
for
having
me
commission,
we
are
going
to
review
just
an
introductory
level
to
some
of
the
ethics
regulations
that
apply
to
the
commission
tonight
and
feel
free
as
we
move
along
to
interrupt
me.
I
If
you
have
questions
or
I
can
take
questions
at
the
end,
I
don't
think
I
can
see
hands
very
well
though.
So
I
don't
know
if
nick
or
the
chair
can
help
sort
of
moderate.
If
there
are
questions
along
the
way,
I
will
say,
though,
if
you're
looking
for
an
opinion
about
your
own
particular
circumstance,
that's
probably
a
conversation
to
have
offline
these
ethics
questions
are
very
fact
specific
and
the
law
is
fairly
convoluted
and
nuanced,
so
it'd
probably
be
worth
just
following
up
outside
of
the
meeting
for
your
particular
situation.
I
Let's
see
if
I
can
go
to
the
next
slide
here
here
we
go
okay,
so
we
have
a
few
things
that
are
going
to
govern
this
topic.
We
have
the
utah
municipal
officers
and
employees,
ethics
act
under
title
10
chapter
3,
the
1300
series
of
state
law.
We
also
have
the
salt
lake
city
code,
chapter
44
of
title
ii
and
then
we
also
have
planning
commission
policies
and
procedures.
I
So
the
reasoning
behind
these
laws,
rules
and
regulations
are
to
establish
conduct
for
officers
and
employees,
including
commission
and
other
board
members
to
require
proper
disclosure
of
certain
conflicts
and,
in
certain
circumstances,
to
prohibit
participation
or
to
prohibit
certain
conduct.
The
idea
behind
them
is
to
build
public
trust,
so
the
public
knows
that
there
aren't
sort
of
any
behind
the
scenes.
I
I
So
when
you
are
appointed
there's
certain
disclosures
you
need
to
make
rather
than
sort
of
get
into
all
of
the
nuance.
The
city
does
have
a
conflict
of
interest
form
that
I'm
sure
you've
been
provided
and
have
filled
out.
If
you
haven't
contact
planning
staff
who
can
get
that
for
you,
but
at
the
time
of
appointment
you
fill
out
this
form,
it's
pretty
basic.
It
asks
the
basic
questions
to
cover
the
type
of
conflicts
that
need
to
be
disclosed.
I
So
a
or
a
child,
so
you
do
have
to
disclose
all
other
employment
interests
and
financial
interests
that
is
substantial,
which
is
defined
as
10
interest
or
more
in
that
entity
that
is
regulated
or
does
business
when
this
with
the
city.
I
I
Those
are
defined
under
city
code
in
that
chapter
2.44,
a
financial
interest
is
defined
as
owning
10
or
more
between
you,
your
spouse,
or
your
minor
children
in
a
business
entity
or,
if
you're,
an
officer
director
trustee
partner,
employee
or
manager
and
a
business
entity.
So
if
you
are
employed
by
another
company,
which
I
assume
most
of
you
are,
you
are
said
to
have
a
financial
interest
in
that
company
professional
interest.
It's
a
little
more
convoluted.
I
It's
resulting
in
a
direct
or
immediate
professional
benefit
and
or
where
you
have
a
fiduciary
duty
with
respect
to
the
professional
interest.
That's
different
from
the
public
in
general.
I
So
there
will
be
times
that
applicants
come
before
the
commission
and
you,
as
a
commission
member,
are
you
know,
ready
and
willing
to
make
a
decision
on
the
application
before
you?
I
I
You
also
disclose
that
interest
to
the
mayor
most
of
the
time
you've
already
done
so
on
your
conflict
form,
but
in
the
event
something
came
up
that
wasn't
on
there.
You'll
just
disclose
during
the
meeting
and
follow
up
with
the
disclosure
to
the
mayor.
I
The
important
thing
to
note
is:
if
the
interest
is
financial,
meaning
you
are
employed
or
trustee
of
that
company
or
you
have
a
financial
interest
in
the
company
greater
than
10.
I
Then
you
also
need
to
recuse
yourself
from
the
discussion
in
the
vote.
Your
rules
go
a
little
bit
further,
even
then
city
code
and
state
law,
and
it
requires
not
just
the
recusal
from
voting
on
the
item,
but
it
actually
requires
you
to
leave
the
meeting
unless
the
majority
of
the
commission
votes
for
you
to
remain
in
the
meeting.
So
sometimes
the
commission
may
vote
to
have
you
remain
in
the
meeting
to
make
sure
that
a
quorum
is
maintained
in
that
sort
of
situation.
I
You'll
just
go
ahead
and
abstain
from
voting,
but,
generally
speaking,
if
your
interest
is
financial,
you
recuse
yourself
and
leave
the
meeting.
I
All
right
so
with
respect
to
outside
employment,
which
I
assume
most
of
you
hold,
because
I
don't
think
this
is
a
very
well-paying
job.
I
You
can't
hold
outside
employment,
that's
incompatible
with
your
city,
duties,
that's
not
defined,
obviously
somewhat
vague,
but
if
you
feel
there's
a
potential
conflict,
there
feel
free
to
reach
out
and
discuss
that
all
right.
The
next
set
of
slides
we're
gonna
talk
about
acts
that
are
prohibited.
I
So
these
are
things
that
commissioners
can't
do
so
in
this
situation.
Disclosure
is
not
enough,
and
you
just
can't
do
it.
It's
just
straight
up
prohibited.
So,
as
a
member
of
the
commission
you'll
get
access
to
information,
that's
not
readily
available
to
the
public
at
times
and
you
are
prohibited
from
disclosing
confidential
information.
I
I
Yeah,
I'm
guessing
most
of
what
you
get
is
not
confidential,
you're,
probably
getting
publicly
available
packets,
but
you
may
see
stuff,
like
maybe
a
personal
phone
number
or
something
may
come
on
an
application
if
that's
not
published
or
redacted,
I'm
not
sure
what
the
city's
policy
is
on,
how
they
classified
that.
But
I
could
see
things
like
that.
If
someone
inadvertently
put
like
their
social
security
number
on
an
application,
something
like
that,
that
would
be
considered
confidential
and
you
shouldn't
disclose
it.
I
Perhaps
you
know
if
the
city
was
you
know,
engaged
in
a
property
transaction
or
something
that
wasn't
public
at
the
time
and
somehow
that
was
relayed
to
you
as
part
of
a
decision.
You
know,
maybe
maybe
something
like
that,
but
probably
pretty
rare.
Obviously
anything
you
receive
in
the
public
meeting
is
going
to
be
public.
I
Yeah,
that's
a
good
point,
nick
obviously
there's
the
attorney-client
privilege.
So
when
the
attorneys
discuss
matters
with
you,
privately
or
and
by
privately
I
mean
just
outside
of
public
view,
staff
and
other
commissioners
may
be
present
too.
That
would
be
confidential
and
considered
privileged
yeah
closed
door
sessions,
those
sort
of
things
so
yeah
good
point,
nick,
okay.
I
So
a
couple
other
things
that
you
aren't
allowed
to
do
now
that
you're
a
planning
commissioner,
is
you
can't
corruptly
use
or
attempt
to
use
your
position
to
further
your
financial
professional
interest
or
that
of
another,
and
you
can't
sell
or
offer
to
sell
services
or
solicit
prospective
clients
or
employment
by
stating
that
you
have
an
ability
to
influence
the
planning
commission's
decision,
so
obviously
don't
try
to
get
employment
or
other
work
outside
by
saying
you
know,
I
can
get
you
planning,
commission
approval
or
I'm
on
the
planning
commission
just
avoid
those
sort
of.
I
Statements
all
right-
this
is
one
imposed
by
your
rules.
Commissioners,
are
not
allowed
to
have
x
party
discussions
regarding
any
any
business
before
the
commission,
so
an
ex
party
discussion
would
be
talking
with
an
applicant
outside
of
the
setting
of
the
planning
commission
meeting.
That's
public
where
all
commission
members
may
attend,
and
the
reason
behind
this
is
as
it
relates
to
administrative
decisions.
I
You
are
in
a
way
like
the
trier
of
fact,
you're
going
to
be
looking
at
the
information
presented
to
you
and
you're,
going
to
make
a
determination
you're
going
to
be
sort
of
the
judge
as
to
whether
the
application
complies
with
the
standards
or
the
laws.
So
it's
important
that
everyone
on
the
commission
has
the
same
information
and
that
we
are
evaluating
and
making
our
decision
based
on.
What's
in
the
public
record,
not
based
on
what
may
have
been
discussed
or
said
outside
of
the
public
meeting.
I
All
right,
so
there
are
some
acts
that
are
prohibited
as
it
relates
to
business
entities,
doing
business
with
the
city,
so
whether
you
privately
do
business
with
the
city
or
your
employer
does
business
with
the
city
or
an
entity.
You
have
a
10
interest
in
does
business
with
the
city.
You'll
you'll
want
to
make
sure
that
if
you
have
any
of
those
interests
that
none
of
those
contracts
that
may
occur
with
the
city
are
with
the
planning
department,
so
planning
commission
falls
under
the
planning
department.
I
I
This
is
an
interesting
law,
but
if
you're
getting
paid
to
coordinate,
negotiate
or
otherwise
broker
a
deal
between
an
entity
and
the
city,
you
have
to
disclose
that
prior
to
the
discussions,
so
you're
not
prohibited
from
getting
paid
to
broker
a
deal
between
a
company
and
the
city.
It's
just
that
you
have
to
first
disclose
it,
and
then
you
may
not
participate
in
performing
a
discretionary
function
with
respect
to
a
contract
with
the
city.
If
you
have
a
financial
interest
in
the
contract,
you
are
a
relative.
I
Has
a
financial
interest
in
the
business
entity
or
you
are.
The
relative
are
currently
negotiating
prospective
employment
with
that
company.
I
All
right
so
gifts,
this
is
pretty
well-known
policy
in
the
city.
I
know
personally
as
employees
it's
something
we
take
very
seriously
around
here.
The
gifts
test
also
known
as
the
influence
test,
so
we
as
mission
members
or
city
employees
or
elected
officials
of
the
city
cannot
receive
accept
or
solicit
gifts
that
we
know
are
going
to
influence
our
decisions
and
our
official
duties
or
which
are
a
reward
for
certain
official
duties
or
decisions
taken
or
rendered,
obviously,
there's
some
allowable
exceptions.
Obviously
you
can
accept
yes
from
relatives.
I
Sometimes
the
occasional
small
gifts
are
okay.
I'll,
just
tell
you,
though,
as
a
matter
of
course
around
here
people
don't
even
accept
a
cup
of
coffee
from
people
that
the
relationship
is
only
due
to
their
employment
or
their
role
with
the
city,
and
if
you
do
receive
an
unauthorized
gift,
you
have
to
return
it,
destroy
it
or
give
it
to
charity,
and
you
need
to
document
what
you
do
with
respect
to
that
gift.
I
Okay,
so
what
happens
when
a
conflict
comes
to
light?
If
you
personally
discover
that
you
might
have
a
conflict
that
you
know
didn't
come
to
light
previously,
you
need
to
file
a
written
statement
and
then
also
withdraw
from
further
participation
in
the
matter
until
you
resolve
whether
it's
a
conflict
that
needs
to
be
recused
or
not.
I
And
then
everyone's
favorite
slide
the
very
last
slide
just
to
discuss
the
penalties
for
not
complying
with
these
laws.
You
can
be
removed
from
your
position.
There
are
criminal
sanctions
in
some
circumstances
and
to
the
extent
contracts
are
involved,
they
may
be
determined
to
be
void.
The
particular
penalty
is
going
to
depend
on
the
specific
facts
of
the
case,
but
sort
of
moral.
I
The
story
here
is
just
don't:
do
it
don't
especially
knowingly
intentionally
violate,
because
there
can
be
some
significant
sanctions,
for
instance,
if
you
do
use
your
position
to
further
financial
gain
of
yourself
or
another
and
like
say,
hire
me
because
I
can
get
you
approval
through
the
planning
commission
and
depending
on
how
much
money
is
at
stake
that
could
rise
to
a
felony
so
avoid
avoid
ever
mentioning
that
you
can,
you
know,
do
any
sort
of
favor
or
pull
any
strings
or
be
treated
any
differently
because
of
your
position
on
the
planning,
commission
and
then
the
last
thing
I'll
add
is
some
of
you
are
members
of
various
professions
that
may
also
have
different
standards
at
play.
I
Obviously,
I'm
familiar
with
the
legal
ones,
I'm
less
familiar
with
some
of
the
other
professions
that
play
in
their
rules
but
happy
to
talk
through
those
and
navigate
that
if
that
ever
came
up,
so
if
there's
any
more
questions,
I'd
be
happy
to
take
those.
Otherwise.
I
think
that
was
my
last
slide.
K
A
I
don't
see
any
hands,
so
thank
you.
Hannah
all.
A
All
right
nick,
do
you
have
anything
else.
Otherwise,
I'll
adjourn
the
meeting.