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Planning Commission - March 24, 2021
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E
This
is
actually
important
thing
to
write
down
is
on
the
bottom
of
this
side.
Is
our
email
address?
That's
planning,
dot
comments
at
slc
gob.com
if
at
any
time,
you're
having
an
issue
trying
to
communicate
with
us.
If
you
can't
find
how
the
hand
works,
you
can
always
send
us
an
email,
and
we
have
people
monitoring
that
email.
You
can.
Let
us
know
if
you'd
like
to
speak
and
then
we
can
call
on
you
that
way.
Also-
and
that's
all
I
have
thank
you
thanks,
madam
chair.
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D
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
The
applicant
aaron
hoffman
with
stratford
investment
properties,
is
requesting
an
amendment
to
the
sugar
house,
master
plan,
future
land
use
map
and
the
zoning
map
for
the
property
located
at
1583
e
stratford
avenue.
Planning
staff
is
recommending
the
planning
commission
for
a
recommendation
of
denial
to
city
council
for
the
master
plan
and
zoning
map
amendments,
as
was
reviewed
in
the
staff
report
to
the
planning
commission.
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D
The
proposal
is
to
amend
the
master
plan
and
reads
on
the
property.
The
amendments
proposed
are
to
convert
the
existing
multi-family
residential
structure
to
office.
The
subject
property
is
located
on
the
northeast
corner
of
stratford
avenue
and
glenmare
street.
The
proposed
office
would
extend
the
office
campus
located
at
approximately
1567
east
stratford
avenue,
which
is
west
of
the
subject
site
further
east
to
connect
to
the
1583
east
stratford
site.
In
july
of
last
year.
The
site
came
under
enforcement
for
work
on
the
interior
of
the
structure
without
a
building
permit.
D
The
work
being
conducted
was
to
combine
two
residential
condominiums
into
one
a
stop
work.
Worker
was
issued
at
that
time
and
on
construction
work
ceased
after
the
property
owner
was
issued,
a
building
permit
for
the
work
being
done.
The
construction
was
continued
on
the
property.
There's
no
indication
that
the
work
continuing
on
the
site
is
anything
other
than
consolidating
the
two
residential
structures
into
one.
D
D
Staff
has
found
that
amending
the
site
from
medium
density,
residential
to
neighborhood
commercial
is
not
consistent
with
the
applicable
master
plans.
This
includes
the
sugar
house
master
plan
plan,
salt
lake
and
growing
slc
plans.
First,
the
site
is
located
in
the
sugar
house
master
plan
and
is
currently
designated
medium
density.
Residential,
the
sugar
house
master
plan
discourages
expansion
of
non-residential
land
uses
into
areas
that
are
medium
density,
residential.
It
encourages
that
these
spaces
remain
residential
in
some
capacity.
D
The
goals
and
objectives
of
this
citywide
plan
is
to
increase
housing
opportunities
for
cost-burdened
households
and
to
implement
implement
life
cycle
housing
life
cycle
housing
is
ensuring
that
housing
types
are
available
for
different
life
stages
in
each
neighborhood.
Throughout
the
city,
life
cycle
housing
requires
that
a
diversity
of
housing
types
are
provided
in
each
neighborhood.
D
This
proposal,
these
proposed
amendments
are
contrary
to
each
of
these
goals
as
the
community,
as
the
proposal
reduces
the
number
of
affordable
units
in
the
city
and
reduces
the
housing
diversity
in
this
community.
Well,
planned
salt
lake.
Another
citywide
plan
also
encourages
access
to
affordable
housing
and
to
a
wide
variety
of
housing
types
for
all
incomes.
Again,
the
goals
expressed
in
planned
salt
lake
will
not
be
met
with
the
proposed
amendments.
D
The
structure
on
the
site
was
constructed
in
the
mid
1980s
and
presently
includes
six
residential
condominium
units.
These
units
are
considered
to
be
naturally
occurring,
affordable
housing
due
to
the
age
of
the
structure
and
the
size
of
the
residential
units,
which
is
approximately
850
square
feet.
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D
D
The
minimum
front
yard
setback
is
20
feet
in
the
rmf
35
district
and
15
feet
in
the
cn
district,
with
a
maximum
setback
of
25
feet
required
in
the
cn
district.
The
rmf
35
zone
does
not
include
this
maximum
setback.
The
existing
building
setbacks
are
27
feet
from
the
fork
from
the
front
and
corner
side.
Your
property
lines
and
approval
of
this
zone
would
create
a
non-complying
structure
as
to
the
requirements
of
the
cn
district.
D
D
As
death
is
estimated
based
on
the
square
footages
from
salt
lake
county's
assessor's
office
that
approximately
nine
parking
stalls
would
be
required
for
an
office
conversion
of
the
existing
building
the
applicant
is
proposing
to
convert
the
existing
multi-family
residential
structure
to
office.
The
rmf
35
district
permits
residential
multi-fafsa
permitted
use.
D
Residential
multi-family,
however,
is
not
permitted
in
the
cn
district
office
is
allowed
in
the
sand
district,
as
well
as
mixed
use.
Development
such
as
commercial
and
residential,
because
rmf
35
is
the
residential
district
generally.
Only
residential
or
uses
related
to
residential
are
permitted
in
this
district.
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C
C
Okay,
so
I
wanted
to
start
out
by
giving
you
a
little
bit
of
history
of
our
application,
so
we
started
with
going
to
a
pre-submittal
conference
where
we
actually
were
requesting
a
mixed
use
sony.
We
wanted
to
potentially
use
this
building
for
office
and
keep
some
of
the
residential,
but
in
our
meeting
with
the
planning
department-
and
we
were
actually
told
that
a
commercial,
the
neighborhood
commercial
zone
was
a
better
fit
for
this
area,
particularly
because
of
the
sugar
house
master
plan
identifying
this
intersection
as
a
good
place
for
a
commercial
node.
C
We
have
received
positive
feedback
from
the
planning
department
staff,
and
then
we
went
to
the
sugar
house
community
council
meeting
and
where
we
did
have
a
lot
of
neighbors
concerned
about
traffic
and
affordable
housing
which
I'll
address
in
a
minute,
and
it
was
then,
after
that
the
planning
department
was
recommending
the
denial
first.
I
want
to
talk
about
the
legal
standards,
so
we
have
five
criteria
that
the
salt
lake
city
code
tells
the
city
council
to
apply
in
considering
rezones
consistency
with
goals
and
objectives
of
the
master
plan
furthering
the
purpose.
C
A
Idea,
excuse
me
melanie,
but
your
slides
are
not
advancing
and
we're
just
seeing
the
we're
actually
seeing
the
presenter
view.
Okay,
is
that
now
or
did
they
advance
yeah,
but
we're
seeing
something
called
a
thing?
That's
covering
par.
It's
we're
still
seeing
the
presenter
view,
which
is
not
the
yeah.
That's
better.
Okay.
Is
that.
C
C
The
owner
is
a
design
firm
and
their
employees
would
be
primarily
engineers.
We
have
a
lot
of
employees
who
would
live
in
the
area
and
actually
within
five
minutes
of
this
property
who
would
office
here,
but
also
it
it's
not
necessarily
limited
to
office,
and
I
wanted
to
point
out
that
re-zoning
it
to
the
cn
would
allow
us
to
also
do
something
like
put
a
coffee
shop
in
the
lower
floor
or
a
restaurant
or
small
retail,
because
it
is
a
little
more
office
than
we
would
need
for
our
own
business.
C
At
this
point,
I
wanted
to
focus
on
affordable
housing
because
that
term
is
being
thrown
around
a
lot
and
the
salt
lake
city
code
actually
defines
affordable
housing
and
it's
a
percentage
of
the
median
income
in
salt
lake
city,
which
I
looked
up
on
census.gov
for
2019.
The
median
income
was
60
676.,
so
for
affordable
housing
in
salt
lake
city.
The
rent
per
month
would
have
to
be
fifteen
hundred
and
sixteen
ninety
or
less,
and
if
this
rezone
is
denied,
we've
checked
out
the
fair
market.
C
C
One
of
the
things
I
also
noticed
in
looking
at
this
area
is
that
we
need
more
commercial
here
and
I
did
a
search
on
loopnet,
which
is
a
site
for
listing
commercial
properties
for
sale
and
lease,
and
I
found
all
of
two
commercial
properties
in
the
sugarhouse
area:
the
location
of
the
old
sizzler
by
sugar
house
parks,
I'm
sure
you
all
are
familiar
with
and
then
there's
one
two
unit
residential
building.
That's
listed
as
a
commercial
opportunity,
and
that
was
it
for
sale
for
lease.
C
However,
you
have
lots
of
residential
available,
so
this
is
for
sale
homes.
These
are,
I
just
looked
on
zillow
for
this.
There
were
23
homes
for
sale
and
the
prices
range
from
321
000
to
over
a
million
dollars,
so
a
wide
variety
of
housing
available
here
in
a
lot
of
it,
and
then
I
looked
at
listings
for
leases
as
well
and
as
you
can
see,
there
were
28
listings
here,
but
many
of
these
are
in
complexes
with
a
lot
of
units
available.
C
You'll
see,
there's
even
one
that
has
66
units
available
for
at
lease,
and
this
is
again
all
over
the
sugar
house
area.
So
there
is
plenty
of
residential
here.
This
property
is
not
going
to
be
affordable,
housing,
it's
not
designated
as
affordable
housing
and
there's
a
need
for
commercial
and
to
meet
the
intent
of
the
sugar
house
master
plan
that
does
identify
this
as
a
commercial
node
and
for
neighborhood
business.
C
D
D
D
So
the
commercial
node,
it's
the
language
in
the
sugarhouse
master
plan-
does
talk
about
the
intersection
of
glenmare
street
and
stratford
avenue
as
being
a
potential
commercial
node,
and
in
my
staff
report
and
presentation,
the
language
of
that
commercial
node
doesn't
necessarily
require
in
order
to
comply
with
that
language.
It
doesn't
necessarily
require
that
the
commercial
node
is
all
four
sites
of
that
intersection.
The
four
corner
sites
of
that
intersection.
B
So
the
node
applied
to
the
broader,
like
the
circle,
was
drawn
around
that
whole
intersection
and
encompassed
this
property,
as
well
as
other
properties,
and
the
plan
was
saying,
says
that
limited
commercials
appropriate
here,
whether
on
a
site
parcel
by
parcel
basis
or
other
corners.
Is
that
roughly
the
way?
It's
totally.
D
It
just
identifies
that
intersection.
So
then
the
parcels
that
are
adjacent
to
that
intersection-
I
don't
know
if
it
necessarily
includes
a
buffer,
but
it
doesn't
say
that
it
needs
to
be
all
four
corner
sights.
It
does
in
the
language,
say
the
isolated
parcels.
Okay,
thank
you
for
clarifying
that
you're.
Welcome.
A
Anyone
else
have
a
question
before
we
go
to
the
public
hearing,
I'm
assuming
giving
the
fact
that
we
had
many
many
many
letters
received
from
the
for
the
planning
commission.
I
want
to
let
everyone
know
that
the
planning
commission
does
take
those
letters
very
seriously.
We
have
reviewed
all
of
those
letters
so
if
you've
already
sent
in
a
letter,
you're
certainly
welcome
to
speak
again,
but
just
to
let
you
know
that
we
respect
all
of
the
the
views
that
have
already
been
expressed.
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A
I
First
of
all,
it
seems
almost
criminal
in
an
era
where
there
is
such
a
shortage
of
safe
and
affordable
housing
to
eliminate
apartments
that
provide
exactly
that.
I
know
melanie
indicated
that
the
you
know
it.
It
would
not
be
affordable
according
to
the
definition,
but
you
know
I
mean
if
they
raise
it
as
high
as
they
want
and,
of
course
it's
not
going
to
be
considered
affordable.
But
why
would
you
know
why
would
you
want
to
eliminate
housing
in
a
residential
neighborhood,
especially
considering
the
circumstances
right
now?
I
Secondly,
our
neighborhood
is
largely
young
couples,
looking
to
start
a
family
or
young
families
with
small
children,
and
if
you
travel
the
local
streets,
you
will
see
children
walking
or
riding
their
bikes
to
and
from
school,
or
you
often
see
a
significant
number
of
pedestrians,
walking
their
dogs
or
just
out
for
a
stroll
and
more
recently,
a
soon
to
be
completed.
Two-Story
office
building
has
been
constructed
directly
across
the
street
from
this
property
in
question.
I
Finally,
the
joint
development
to
me
is
not
a
business
that
enhances
the
neighborhood
or
provides
a
service
for
the
residents.
To
me,
the
nature
of
this
business
fits
more
the
purposes
of
what
you
would
consider
light
manufacturing
and
based
on
you
know
what
I
have
stated.
I
strongly
urge
the
commission
to
deny
this
request.
I
I
You
know,
there's
a
there's,
a
message
in
my
file
from
somebody
on
the
permit
counter
who
actually
says:
1583
stratford
has
always
been
a
commercial
building
by
definition
in
the
international
residential
code
residential
includes
single-family
homes
and
townhomes
under
three
stories.
Any
building
that
does
not
meet
that
definition
is
commercial.
I
I
So
there's
been
a
lot
of
confusion
about
this
whole
thing,
and
I
don't
like
the
fact
at
all
that
they've
gone
ahead
and
completed
the
remodel
long
before
they
have
the
reason,
and
I
think
they
should
go
put
it
back
into
residential
like
it
needs
to
be.
I
think
the
project
the
building
before
it
started
to
be
remodeled
was
affordable
housing,
but
now
with
the
upscaling
and
the
remodeling,
it's
not
going
to
be
so
we're
still
losing
six
affordable
housing
units
and
ask
you
to
deny
this
petition.
Thank
you.
B
J
J
J
So
I
know
people
love
to
attack
developers,
but
restricting
development
to
where
you
can
only
have
a
single
family
house
and
that
huge
chunk
of
land
is
a
lot
of
the
reason
why
that?
Well
we
have
an
affordable
housing,
housing
problem,
so
I'm
against
this
zone.
I
think
it
should
be
rmu
35
thanks.
Thank
you.
A
I
A
I
I
The
total
joint
people
put
an
addition
onto
their
existing
main
office
building
about
a
year
after
moving
in
perhaps,
and
they
built
that
as
a
like
two
plus
floor
building,
and
they
built
it
right
up
to
the
property
line
which
was
horrifying
for
the
adjacent
neighbor,
and
if
this
is
rezoned
as
commercial,
I
fear
that
that
same
thing
is
going
to
happen
to
me
they
will
just
bulldoze
the
existing
building
and
build
a
much
larger
one
and
put
it
right
up
against
my
fence.
That's
one
concern.
I
I
They,
the
construction
crew
even
told
me,
oh
we're
actually
building
a
four
bedroom
four
bathroom
apartment
in
here
well,
yeah
that
doesn't
seem
likely,
so
they
have
already
gone
ahead
and
occupied
the
premises.
They
are
conducting
business
over
there
and
again.
This
is
well
ahead
of
any
decision
on
this
zoning
page.
I
don't
trust
that
these
people
are
ever
going
to
take
into
consideration
any
of
the
neighbors
because
of
this
blatant
disregard
for
this
process.
I
I
also
want
to
take
issue
with
what
melanie
said
that
there
are
only
two
commercial
buildings
in
sugar
house.
Really.
I
find
that
there's
an
awful
lot
of
commercial
building
in
shoulder
house
and
she
was
showing
apartment
units
that
are
all
over
the
place
and
that's
true,
but
we're
about
to
displace
six
people
out
of
this
building.
I
worry
that
if
the
zoning
change
goes
through
they're
just
going
to
evict
the
current
occupants-
and
that
would
be
a
real
tragedy.
A
C
E
E
E
E
A
B
This
is
a
weird
it's
usually
much
easier
than
this.
I
don't
know,
but
down
at
the
bottom
there's
a
button
that
said
connect
audio
earlier.
I
saw
that
I
saw
where
I
could
say
request
for
audio
and
it
went
away
when
you
moved
me
into
the
panelist
list,
but
I
noticed
down
at
the
bottom
now,
there's
a
button
that
says:
connect
audio.
F
B
Proximity
to
places
to
work,
but
I
don't
to
my
knowledge,
there's
no
one
in
this
neighborhood
that
works
there
or
ever
will-
and
this
is
a
we're,
like
literally
within
one
mile
into
the
most
major
little
commercial
areas
in
all
of
the
lake.
I
don't
understand
having
a
manufacturing
type,
three
two-story
building.
B
Make
any
sense
to
me:
I
don't
understand
it.
I
don't
see
the
value
at
all
for
anyone
who's
moving
here,
which
I
am
one
of
and
spent
a
lot
of
money
and
looked
for
months
to
try
and
find
a
good
neighborhood
to
live
in
around
here
which,
as
we
all
know,
is
very
difficult
now
and
some
of
the
housing
issues
have
come
up.
B
B
B
A
A
And
I
want
to
remind
all
of
the
people
here
that
we
all
we-
we
always
received
all
of
the
email
correspondence
that
you
did
with
nanette
or
any
other
member
of
the
of
the
planning
staff,
and
we
even
received
one
that
was
received
by
a
to
the
council
member.
So
please
know
that
all
of
your
comments
we
do
have
those
in
our
staff
report.
E
E
F
E
I
F
D
I
I
I
have
a
prepared
statement
and
I'm
going
to
just
read
it:
I'm
getting
feedback
over
my
computer
here,
so
I'm
going
to
go
in
the
other
room
and
just
read
it
to
you.
Bear
with
me
just
one
second
here,
here's
my
comments.
The
cnn
neighborhood
commercial
district
is
intended
to
provide
for
small-scale
low-intensity
commercial
uses
that
can
be
located
within
and
serve
residential
neighborhoods.
These
small
businesses
that
can
be
used
by
local
residences
are
defined
in
the
city
code.
I
I
The
applicants
are
intended
to
make
are
intending
to
make
this
property
an
extension
of
their
offices
which
are
located
directly
across
the
street.
The
owners
have
painted
the
six
black
gray
to
match
the
total
joint,
orthopedics
and
gutted
the
lower
level
and
converted
two
residential
units
into
one
office
to
support
their
goal.
I
I
There
are
few
restrictions
imposed
on
the
cn
zone,
with
the
exception
that
no
launch
would
be
larger
than
sixteen
thousand
five
hundred
square
feet.
Clearly,
the
intent
was
to
limit
the
size
of
the
businesses
rezoning.
The
subject
property
would
place
an
additional
thirteen
thousand
five
hundred
and
three
square
feet
under
the
under
their
control
in
this
stand
zone.
This
allows
them
a
total
to
control
a
total
of
28
730
square
feet,
which
far
exceeds
the
16
500
limitation
imposed
by
the
city
code.
I
Rezoning
this
particle
constitutes
an
intensification
of
the
cn
zone
and
it
sets
an
undesirable
precedence
in
the
city.
This
would
be
the
third
expansion
of
their
business
by
the
applicants.
The
city
code
also
addresses
matters
of
this
nature
and
considers
it
a
part
of
incremental
additions
intended
to
subvert
the
intent
of
the
ordinance.
H
I'm
going
to
make
the
pair
of
amendments
consistent
with
the
staff
rack
recommendation,
based
on
the
information
the
staff
report.
I
move
that
the
planning
commission
recommend
that
the
city
council
deny
the
proposed
master
plan
amendment
as
presented
in
petition
p
ln
pcm
2020-003
and
additionally,
I
moved
that
the
planning
process
that
the
state
council
provides
a
zoning
map
to
commit,
as
presented
in
position
cln
20-00393.
B
E
A
I
A
A
A
A
H
Okay,
this
is
a
conditional
use
request
for
an
accessory
dwelling
unit
located
at
742
south
navajo
street.
The
subject
property
is
located
in
the
r1
5000
zoning
district,
which
requires
conditional
use
approval
for
an
adu.
The
property
is
a
corner
lot
between
wasatch
and
navajo
and
is
highlighted
in
red
on
the
screen.
H
H
The
elevations
are
the
following:
the
top
is
the
east
elevation
and
the
bottom
is
the
west,
so
the
the
front
and
the
rear.
These
are
the
standard,
modal
elevations
and
then
the
north
and
the
south.
The
two
ends,
the
following:
three
slides
are
of
the
subject
property.
This
is
the
east
elevation
in
the
front
of
the
home.
A
E
A
H
A
H
A
H
E
H
Okay,
like
I
mentioned
I'm
a
representative
of
modal
living,
we
are
a
modular
construction
company
that
specializes
in
building
accessory
dwelling
units.
I
am
representing
the
property
owner
jessica,
andrew
she
well.
I
first
wanted
to
start
out
by
showing
a
real
life
version
or
a
real-life
photograph
of
what
is
going
to
be
in
her
backyard.
So
I'm
also
wanted
to
focus
a
little
bit
more
on
how
the
modal
will
interact
with
the
yard.
H
H
So
when
kelsey
took
the
pictures
initially
like
she
mentioned,
the
fence
was
getting
ready
to
go
up.
I
was
able
to
get
photographs
as
they
were
still
in
the
middle
of
it,
but
there
has
been
some
more
progress
made,
so
I
have
a
photo
of
the
primary
residence
from
the
front
view
and
then
a
photo
of
the
north
side
property
with
the
defense
in
progress
of
going
up
as
well
as
the
street
view.
H
So
we
went
ahead
and
did
some
conceptual
renderings.
I
know
that's,
not
something
we
usually
do,
but
I
wanted
to
go
ahead
and
give
you
guys
a
view
of
what
the
rear
yard
is
looking
like,
as
is
right
now
and
and
how
it
will
look
after
the
fact.
I
know
the
site
plan
is
a
little
bit
misleading
with
the
walkway
path.
It
should
have
been
updated
and
I
apologize
for
that.
H
We
had
initially
submitted
a
site
plan
with
a
different
placement
on
the
property
where
it
showed
the
walkway
leading
to
the
side
of
the
the
yard
so
that
it
aligns
with
the
parking
where
we
showed
the
parking
on
the
site
plan.
So
I
showed
the
walkway
path
leading
to
that
side
yard
where
there
will
be
a
gate,
access
for
the
adu
tenant
and
then
the
last
three
sides
are,
you
know,
pretty
basic
our
floor
plans
and
elevations
and
then
just
the
site
plan
as
well.
H
Again,
I
apologize
for
the
walkway
not
being
shown
accurately,
but
hopefully
you
can
get
the
idea
of
it
with
the
renderings,
so
yeah
the
the
property
owners
recently
purchased
the
property
towards
the
end
of
last
year.
This
is
what
they're
going
to
be
considering
their
forever
home.
You
know
when
I
asked
them
about
intended
use
for
the
adu
they're,
not
very
interested
in
using
it
as
a
rental
property,
more
so
as
extra
space
detached
from
their
home
that
they
can
let
guests
or
family
members
live
in
so
yeah.
H
J
All
right,
zachary
do
salt
speak
in
favor
of
the
application
kind
of,
for
the
same
reasons
that
I'm
always
in
favor
of
you
to
use.
I
would
really
like
to
see-
I
don't
know
if
this
is
in
the
process
or
in
the
works
with
the
department,
but
I
really
don't
see
the
need
for
these
conditional
uses.
I
really
wish
they
were
just
permitted.
J
It
kind
of
takes
up
a
lot
of
your
guys
time
and
I
imagine
it
takes
a
lot
of
workload
behind
the
scenes
and
we're
in
the
middle
of
a
housing
crisis.
So
we
should
be
making
it
as
easy
as
possible
to
build
additional
housing.
So
as
much
as
I
love
seeing
these
presentations,
every
every
planning
commission
it
at
most
leads
to
just
frustration
from
neighbors
who
complain
and
then
it
gets
approved
because
state
law
says
it
has
to
so
I
don't
really
see
the
need
for
this.
A
A
F
B
A
B
A
C
A
A
A
A
E
K
This
property
is
part
of
the
northwest
community
master
plan
and
the
north
temple
boulevard
plan
and
just
a
little
bit
of
background.
It
was
originally
proposed
in
2018,
but
due
to
the
complexities
and
in
it
in
an
effort
to
provide
a
better
project.
The
applicant's
been
working
with
surrounding
property
owners
to
find
better
ways
to
work
together
and
and
so
they're.
Now,
I'm
kind
of
trying
to
move
forward
with
at
least
this
aspect
of
it,
proposing
this
rezone
staff
is
recommending
that
the
commission
recommend
a
afford.
K
So
taking
a
look
at
this,
the
the
properties
immediately
surrounding
the
site
are
almost
entirely
single
family.
However,
there's
adjacent
properties
on
white
place,
which
had
previously
been
rezoned
sr-3
but
are
undeveloped
and
then
again,
the
neighboring
properties
on
200
north
are
all
r1
7000
and
contain
single
family
homes.
K
So
looking
here's
a
view
of
the
properties.
First,
one
is
from
200
north
looking
at
the
existing
single
family
home
and
the
second
is
from
hoyt
place.
Looking
at
undeveloped
land.
That's
there
now
and
the
first
parcel
along
200
north
is
0.28
acres
and
the
property
along.
The
along
point
is
0.24
acres,
so
combined
there
just
over
a
half.
K
Acre
so,
although
it's
not
part
of
the
request
today,
I
did
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
that
the
applicant
has
indicated
their
intentions
for
a
future
subdivision
and
planned
development
on
the
property
and
we'll
look
at
that
a
little
bit
more
closely.
But
it
would
include
the
preservation
of
this
existing
home
here
and
then
it
would
include
a
twin
home
and
four
single
family
attached
homes
and
the
potential
of
a
driveway
from
200
north.
If
needed
and.
K
K
The
neighboring
property
owners
have
been
working
so
long
to
try
to
find
a
solution
one,
so
they
can
all
maximize
the
development
potential
of
their
properties,
but
also
you
know
to
come
up
with
a
cohesive
design
for
this
interior
portion.
Here
and-
and
you
know,
they've
been
looking
to
find
additional
outlets
or
you
know,
find
different
ways
to
come
up
with
solutions.
K
K
Any
property
that's
going
to
provide
access
to
a
given
use
needs
to
allow
you
know
the
zoning
for
that
property
needs
to
allow
for
those
proposed
uses.
So
in
other
words,
if
access
to
this
portion
back
here,
which
would
contain
single-family
attached
homes
is
allowed
in
the
sr3,
the
access
to
it
would
need
to
be
that
same
zoning.
So
we
couldn't
leave
this
front
portion
7000
and
still
provide
access
to
this
sr3
portion
they
have
to.
If
there
is
any
potential
for
access
across
this
property,
it's
got
to
be
of
the
same
zone.
K
So
the
applicants
indicated
that
you
know
it's
still
not
the
desired
outcome.
They
would
still
like
to
seek
solutions
for
access
of
a
point,
but
this
would
at
least
give
them
the
potential
option
to
do
so,
and
it's
anticipated
that
would
be
somewhere
between
a
12
and
20
foot
access
driveway
to
these
homes,
there's
currently
22
feet
between
the
home
and
the
property
line.
K
K
K
And
then,
which
obviously
would
be
accomplished
through
this
rezone
and
then
it
also
talks
about
encouraging
private
housing
development
along
white
place
in
the
northwest
master
plan.
Both
of
those
are
are
key,
or
it's,
of
course,
important-
that
their
access
be
granted
to
those
properties.
So
that
can
actually
happen,
and
if
access
isn't
able
to
come
from
white
place,
it
would
need
to
come
from
somewhere
else
and
preferably
through
the
property
facing
200
north
in
the
planned
salt
lake
master
plan.
K
K
Sizes
and
things
like
that,
and
then
and
then
also
through
the
staff
recommendation
to
preserve
the
home
along
200
north
through
development
agreement.
That
would,
of
course,
help
maintain
the
character
along
200
north
and
then
again,
the
infill
and
redevelopment
of
underutilized
lands
and
increasing
the
number
of
medium
density.
Housing
types
all
those
would
be
met
with
this,
but
are
also
contingent,
of
course,
on
the
property
being
able
to
be
accessed.
K
And
then,
as
shown
in
the
staff
report,
the
properties
within
a
quarter
mile
of
the
track
station
on
north
temple.
It's
actually
about
a
block
and
a
half
walking
distance
to
it.
So
it
really
does
well
to
fulfill
a
lot
of
the
objectives
of
the
master
plans,
just
to
kind
of
look
at
a
few
of
the
key
comparisons
of
the
different
zones.
So
here
we've
got
the
two
current
zones
and
looking
first
at
the
allowed
uses.
K
K
K
K
And
then
the
next
two
are
talking
about
the
existing
scale.
So
you
know
the
r17
thousand
and
staff
has
indicated
that
the
uses
would
the
proposed
development
would
be
compatible
with
the
existing
scale
density
intensity
of
the
neighborhood,
especially
with
the
staff
recommendation
for
the
existing
home
along
200
north
to
be
protected
by
a
development
agreement.
K
So
planning
staff's
recommending
approval
with
the
fall
that
the
recommendation
for
approval
be
forwarded
to
the
city
council
with
following
conditions:
first,
recording
a
development
agreement
for
the
protection
of
the
single
family
home,
both
the
use
and
the
architecture
at
834
west
hundred
north,
and
that
that
the
applicant
continue
to
seek
access
from
white
place
as
a
as
a
first
priority.
So
that
concludes
my
presentation.
F
K
F
F
F
K
Yeah
so
the
six
feet
from
the
neighboring
from
the
property
line
to
the
west
there
and
so
yeah.
They
could
go
closer
than
that
with
the
with
a
driveway,
and
so
they
have
22
feet
and
again,
fire
has
kind
of
been
exploring
exactly
how
wide
that
would
need
to
be,
and
it
probably
be
between
12
and
20
feet.
But
there's
there's
just
a
lot
of
unknowns
at
this
point
because
of
the
number
of
homes
proposed
their
exact
location,
whether
they're
sprinklered
fire
separation
walls,
whether
they
would.
K
A
A
L
All
right
well,
thank
you,
everybody
and
I
appreciate
a
great
presentation
there,
eric
and
well
like
eric's,
suggesting
you
know,
I
mean
we
want
to
have
an
option.
We've
been
trying
to
get
this
project
up
and
running
for
a
couple
of
years
and
we
want
the
best
development
for
the
community
and
for
the
area,
and
you
know
sometimes
what
we
ask
is
not
exactly
what
we
get
and
if
there's
no
control
flexibility
in
what
our
options
are,
so
we
are
asking
for
the
sr-3.
L
We
obviously
the
the
house
at
834,
west
200,
it's
a
it's
in
the
national
registry
for
historical
housing.
It's
a
beautiful
house.
It's
got
amazing,
you
know
stuff
inside
there's
three
or
four
fireplaces,
that's
just
out
of
this
world,
the
the
glass
work
and
the
frames
it's
just
great
place.
So
we
they're
going
to
be
a
deep
restriction
on
this
house
before
making
it
as
such
a
historical
house.
In
fact,
we
are
learning
how
to
take
advantage
of
state
tax
credits
for
historical
house
preservation,
all
that,
so
we
are
committed
to
making
that
happen.
L
As
for
the
fire,
I
think
I
heard
the
fire
a
few
times
how
we're
going
to
access
the
alley.
Obviously,
the
alleyway
has
to
work
for
the
development,
but
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we
know
that
the
only
the
the
fire
lane
for
this
development,
if
we
access
the
property
from
200
node,
it
will
be
by
it-
will
be
200
volt.
L
That's
our
fire
mate
and
we've
met
with
ted
several
times
and
I'm
sure
we're
going
to
have
to
renew
that
discussion
and
basically
the
condition
is
the
fire
lane
is
200
node,
that
that
means
that
fire
trucks
do
not
need
to
enter
this
driveway
or
private
road
or
whatever
you
want
to
call
it.
So
that's
an
advantage,
but
it's
obviously
it's
going
to
add
to
the
cost
and,
as
eric
suggested,
we
are
going
to
have
to
sprinkle
the
homes
in
the
back,
the
the
house
itself,
the
one
that
we
are
the
single
family.
L
We
don't
need
to
because
it
falls
between
that
hundred
and
fifty
feet.
Five
holes
from
two
hundred
more
and
perhaps
the
two
first
sr-3
holes
may
not
qualify
for
a
sprinkler,
but
the
last
four.
Definitely
will
and
we
are
planning
on
just
sprinkling,
the
whole
property.
So
then
the
question
becomes
how.
L
I
could
share
my
screen
with
you
guys,
if
that's
possible,
just
to
kind
of
give
you
a
flavor
of
this
development,
but
you
know
we're
just
going
to
go
through
those
injunctionals
hoops
at
appropriate
time
to
make
sure
that
we
have
safe
and
a
wonderful
community
that
is
going
to
be
older
occupied
and
at
least
that's
the
plan
to
make
it
all
occupied
we,
you
know
eric
mentioned
duplex
and
the
four
plagues.
You
know.
L
That
is
definitely
one
of
our
latest
options,
but
we've
also
considered
single
family
detached
a
2
000
square
foot
typical
sr-3
box.
So
I
don't
know
if
there's
any
way
I
could
share
my
screen
or
that
this
may
not
be
the
time
to
do
that.
We
are
looking
to
create
a
very
compatible
nice
community
for
the
event.
E
A
L
E
L
L
E
We
do
also,
I
do
not
see
a
community
council
chair,
but
I
do
want
to
just
state
that
you
did
receive
a
few
emails
today,
as
we
mentioned
earlier
for
the
other
meeting.
So
for
those
of
you
that
are
listening
and
that
sent
emails,
those
were
sent
to
the
planning
commission.
Then
they
were
able
to
review
those.
E
E
G
B
The
the
only
concern
or
thing
that
I
I
actually
think
it's
a
great
idea
to
work
on
this
development.
It
needs
it.
The
home
has
been
abandoned
for
quite
some
time,
and
so
I,
like
your
statement
from
the
staff
recommendations
stating
that
you
know
protecting
of
the
single
family
use,
because
without
that
recommendation,
how
would
we
determine
that
they
don't
just
demolish
that
with
sr3
zoning?
B
The
second
recommendation
is
a
little
vague,
because
it
says
access
to
any
future
development
on
the
property
should
be
sought
first
from
point
place.
What
what
determines
that
is
just
sought.
First,
it
doesn't
really
kind
of
give
a
hard
determination
there,
but
the
bigger
concern
that
I
have
is
that
my
property
line,
it
says
20
feet.
B
In
116
years
ago,
apparently,
when
we
got
it
surveyed,
it
goes
right
through
the
middle
of
our
house,
so
I
don't
know
where
they're
measuring,
but
if
the
property
line
is
where
it
is,
the
22
feet
isn't
actually
accurate
because
of
where
the
property
line
sits
in
the
middle
of
our
home.
So
that's
a
concern.
I
don't
know
if
they
have
enough
space
to
actually
do
something
12
to
20
feet
between
the
two
homes.
A
B
Thank
you.
My
name
is
pachuco
lautaro
representing
the
rose
park.
Brown
berets,
I'm
here
just
to
oppose
the
rezoning.
You
know,
we've
seen
a
bunch
of
developments
coming
into
the
neighborhood
in
the
in
the
rose
park
area
in
the
a4116
zip
code.
You
know
that
are
not
affordable
at
all
and,
like
this,
development
will
increase
the
property
tax,
which
will
increase
the
rent
with
increase
the
rent
for
low-income
families
that
we
know
a
dozen
families
that
live
in
that
in
that
block,
it'll
increase
the
the
mortgage
payment.
B
You
know
we
it'll
just
impact
the
whole
neighborhood
the
whole
community
in
general,
because
we
see
this
domino
effect
just
like
how
we
see
with
dow
and
jolly
just
because
they
own
the
property.
You
know
we
cannot
trust,
proper
property
owners
or
developers.
You
know
to
mark
the
word
not
to
demolish
building,
as
we
see
with
the
kosovo
apartments,
and
we
all
know
the
master
plan
is
a
fraud.
B
You
know
it's
not
the
people's
interest
or
anything
because
you
know
the
rose
park
has
always
been
a
low-income
neighborhood
and
we
see
a
bunch
of
developments
coming
in.
That
does
not
even
that
are
not
even
affordable
to
us.
You
know,
even
though
it's
even
close
to
the
tracks,
people
that
are
able
to
afford
these
are
most
likely
to
have
a
car.
B
J
Zachary
dusalt
speaking
in
favor
of
the
rezone,
I
would
like
to
see
some
more
attached
housing
in
rose
park.
It's
like
the
last
speaker
just
said.
It's
a
lower
income,
neighborhood
and
a
lot
of
people
that
are
have
higher
incomes
are
kind
of
moving
towards
the
neighborhood
just
because
of
the
the
price
advantage
of
housing
there.
J
If
you
want
a
single-family
home
in
salt
lake,
that's
under
400
grand
you
got
to
go
west
of
I-15,
and
so
I
feel
like
what's
going
to
happen,
if
we
don't
change
the
zoning
with
with
that
trend,
is
we're
going
to
see
upper
class
people
buying
these
older
homes
and
tearing
them
down
and
replacing
it
with
another
single
family
kind
of
just
whatever
fits
on
the
lot
very
modern,
very
unaffordable
home?
That's
just
going
to
gentrify
the
area
so
kind
of
just
pushing
back
on
the
last
speaker.
J
I
understand
the
frustration
with
developers.
You
see
them
come
in
and
you
see
them
destroy
your
neighborhood
and
the
rent
goes
up,
but
at
the
same
time,
if
we
don't
create
more
supply,
it's
going
to
happen.
Anyways,
it's
just
going
to
be
by
individuals.
Instead
of
by
a
developer,
so
I
I
I'm
in
favor
of
this
zoning
reform,
and
I
wish
we
could
see
more
of
it
just
because
the
the
step
down
from
the
tsa
zoning
is
just
is
just
too
steep.
This
is
one
one
block
from
a
track
station
and
we're
in
a.
J
E
Madam
chair,
we
did
receive
an
email.
This
is
from
jesse
anderson
and
it
says
hello,
I'm
a
salt
lake
city
resident,
and
I
am
opposed
to
the
rezone
for
the
nielsen
states.
It
will
not
be
affordable
to
the
community
in
that
neighborhood
and
will
increase
property
taxes,
so
this
will
push
rent
higher
and
push
low
income.
Tenants
out
these
people
make
up
the
majority
of
the
neighborhood.
E
A
H
K
I'd
be
happy
to
chime
in
and
if
sitar
wants
to
answer
as
well,
that'd
be
great,
but
so
yeah.
Those
are
largely
related
to
potential
for
a
subdivision
and
again,
it
would
make
a
better
project
if
they're
able
to
share
utilities
coming
off
of
white
place,
which,
as
wayne
mentioned,
is
a
private
street,
it
would
you
know,
could
save
them
both
money
and
and
be
a
better
use
of
the
land.
K
K
Yeah
the
plan
development
and
the
subdivision
are
entirely
on
hold
right
now,
so
they
had
a
few
revisions
that
a
few
renditions
that
came
in
starting
in
2018,
but
then
they
have
just
been
entirely
on
hold.
While
the
applicant
and
neighboring
property
owners
have
been
negotiating
the
various
issues
and
how
the
development
will
all
come
together
and
how
everyone
can
work
together,
and
originally
they
looked
at
maybe
having
the
plan
development
subdivision
and
read
zone
all
going
through
together.
K
A
A
Okay,
thank
you
crystal.
It
does
take
a
very
long
time
for
things
to
move
to
the
city
council.
I
have
been
making
a
habit
to
show
up
when
they
have
zoning
requests.
That
are
that
we
have
already
approved
just
to
see
how
they're
going
and
and
speak
in
favor
of
the
things
that
we've
decided
and
some
of
these
things.
I
can't
even
remember
it
was
so
long
ago.
Some
of
them
are
over
well
over
a
year
from
us
to
the
planning
committee
to
the
city
council.
A
B
Would
plus
there's
no
requirement
to
have
a
development
plan
as
part
of
a
zoning
request,
they're
evaluated
on
different
principles,
and
if
we
feel
that
the
proposed
rezone
meets
the
standards,
we
would
recommend
approval,
regardless
of
the
development
plan,
which
would
be
subject
to
separate
evaluation
and
consideration
of
separate
standards
of
approval.
So
I
would
say
I
don't
think
that
should
hold
us
up
from
evaluating
the
petition
before
that
before
us
tonight
and
we
should
proceed
accordingly.
A
H
Cast
one
more
question
sure
maybe
I'm
alone
in
this
thought,
but
I
mean
I
love
the
idea
of
this
cooperative
development,
but
this
is
clearly
a
development
that
will
raise
property
values
as
addressed
and
is
that
in
in
keeping
with
the
master
plan
of
promoting
affordable
housing,
I
mean
we
know
densification
alone.
Just
doesn't
supply
just
isn't
solving
this
problem
and
of
course
we
don't
have
the
tools
before
us
to
solve
this
problem
right
now.
H
A
B
H
H
A
A
A
E
A
D
A
Okay,
the
motion
passes
unanimously
and
that
is
the
end
of
the
public
hearing
part
of
our
meeting
and
I'm
going
to
propose
that
we
take
a
six-minute
break
and
come
back
at
8
45,
7,
45,
7,
45,
7,
45
yeah,
not
an
hour
and
six
minutes.
So
thank
you
we'll
be
at
adjourn
for
just
for
a
break
for
six
minutes.
B
D
A
G
So
this
is
something
that
we've
actually
been
meaning
to
do
for
a
while
with
the
planning
commission-
and
we
finally
have
some
down
times
on
agendas,
but
also
some
of
you
may
know
that
there
was
a
law
passed
by
the
state
legislature
this
year,
that
requires
planning
commissions
to
have
up
to
four
hours
of
training,
and
so
this
is
kind
of
our
first
official
calendar
year,
training
to
help
meet
that,
but
also
to
help
provide
you
guys
with
the
information
you
need
to
fulfill
the
role
of
of
a
planning.
Commissioner.
G
So
we're
gonna
go
ahead
and
get
started.
Hopefully
this,
of
course
it's
not
changing
there.
We
go
so
I
just
covered
this
tonight,
we're
doing
zoning
101.
Can
I
orient
you
to
the
zoning?
Why
we
have
it
and
then
some
specifics
about
it
and
give
you
a
little
bit
of
history
on
on
zoning
in
salt
lake
city
and
then
get
into
the
difference
between
description
and
non-discretionary
discretionary
reviews,
so
hopefully
it
helps
make
make
good,
solid
decisions.
G
G
G
Implementing
master
plans
is
really
relatively
simple
in
concept.
There's
four
things
that
we
consider
when
we're
establishing
our
our
priorities
for
implementing
master
plans,
how
much
staff
resources
is
it
gonna
take
and
who?
Who
is
that
staff
that
has
to
do
it?
How
much
it's
going
to
cost?
How
much
time
it's
going
to
take
and
the
level
of
community
support,
and
so
we
gauge
these
on
in
each
and
everything
that
gets
implemented
doesn't
mean
just
because
one's
low
or
one's
high
that
we're
not
going
to
do
it.
G
It
just
helps
us
understand
what
to
expect
when
we're
going
through
a
process,
and
zoning
is
important,
because
I
think
this
slides
out
of
order,
but
it's
it's
the
primary
tool
that
cities
use
to
implement
their
land
use
plans,
and
so
there's
two
parts
to
it.
The
rules
often
called
the
code,
the
ordinance
the
regulations
rules
are
generally
easier
for
people
to
understand
what
what
that
means
and
then
a
map
that
shows
where
the
rules
apply.
G
Like
I
said
it's
the
primary
tool
to
implement
master
plans
under
state
code.
We,
our
our
zoning
code
and
master
plans,
can
do
a
lot
of
things
and
include
a
lot
of
different
topics:
everything
from
air
quality
to
transportation,
to
housing
parks,
you
name
it
we
can.
We
can
do
put
those
things
in
our
plans
and
our
in
our
codes.
G
Some
are
designed
standard
based
and
then
there's
these
context,
space
which
are
called
typically
called
form-based
codes
in
salt
lake
city.
We
have
elements
of
all
four
of
those
in
our
zoning
ordinance
and
some
of
those
are
for
good
reasons.
Some
of
them
are
holdovers
from
long-standing
zoning
policies,
but
but
we
we
have
a
code
that
has
all
four
of
those
characteristics
in
it.
G
G
So
you
can,
you
can
see
that
there's.
I
think
six
different
zoning
districts
and
our
original
zoning
code
was
20-ish
pages
long,
pretty
simple.
It
was
what
date
was
that
1927.,
but
you
can.
You
can
certainly
see
the
pattern
of
the
city
in
those
our
corridors.
You
know
the
dark
left
on
the
the
dark
darker
color
on
the
left.
Side
of
the
map
is
redwood
road.
You
can
see
downtown
and
you
can
even
see
sugarhouse
business
district
there.
G
One
thing
you
probably
can't
see
at
this
detail
on
this
map
is
that
most,
if
not
well,
all
of
the
city
allowed
at
least
a
duplex
on
every
single
property.
At
the
time
outside
of
what
was
then
the
east
bench,
so
kind
of
the
center
middle
right
of
that
image
is
the
only
place
where
you
were
limited
to
two
family
dwellings
or
less.
You
could
build
boarding,
houses,
hotels,
apartments
in
every
other
location
in
the
city,
except
that
one.
G
G
G
G
There's
some
rhyme
or
reason
to
the
colors
that
are
used
on
zoning
maps.
This
is
particularly
on
euclidean
zoning
maps.
This
is
really
common
color
schemes.
The
colors
are
important
because
it
helps
you
give
a
get
a
quick
idea
of
what
is
allowed
where
so,
for
example,
we
can
look
at
our
zoning
map
and
if
we
see
yellow,
we
know
it's
residential,
and
so
it
gives
us
a
really
good
idea
of
what's
going
on.
Obviously,
green
is
open
space,
etcetera,
and
this
is
pretty
consistent
across
zoning
maps
throughout
throughout
the
country.
G
The
naming
of
the
zoning
districts
also
gives
us
an
idea
and
there's
there's
rhyme
or
reason
to
this
as
well.
Each
one
of
those
letters
and
numbers
actually
means
something.
So
an
r
in
our
zoning
code,
when
it's
when
it's
part
of
a
heading
will
always
stand
for
residential
c
is
always
commercial
and
you
can
kind
of
see
what
those
are
here.
The
residential
zones,
the
the
one,
will
be
the
number
of
units
allowed
per
lot
and
then
the
the
bigger
number
5000
is
the
minimum
lot
area
per
per
dwelling.
G
So
it's
a
little
different
in
the
rmf,
where
that
30
number
is
actually
the
building
height.
So
it's
a
progressive
scale
of
density
in
the
rmf
zones
and
so
it'd
be
really
hard
to
add
a
number
there.
And
so
so
it's
it's
just
the
the
building
height
there.
There
is
a
difference
in
how
building
heights
measured
in
the
single
family
zone
versus
every
other
zone
in
the
city,
something
that
people
forget,
but
in
the
single
family
zone,
it's
measured
to
the
peak
of
the
tallest
point
of
the
roof
in
every
other
zone.
G
G
G
So
here's
some
common
zoning
district
colors
and
where
areas
so,
you
can
kind
of
see
how
that
works.
The
cn,
which
is
one
of
our
lowest
intensity,
commercial
districts,
that's
in
15th
and
15th,
stepping
up
to
the
cb
zone
and
ninth
and
ninth
and
then
the
cg
zone,
all
the
way
up
to
300
west
and
there's
several
districts
in
between
as
well.
G
G
So
in
some
cities
we-
and
we
fortunately
are
not
one
of
those
city
councils-
actually
have
final
approval
on
some
of
the
administrative
things
like
conditional
uses
and
things
like
that.
But
fortunately
we
don't
have
that
step
in
in
salt
lake
city,
so
the
planning
commission,
you
guys,
obviously
know
this
you're
one
of
the
land
use
authorities
of
the
city,
the
landmarks
commission.
G
The
planning
director
is-
and
so
is
the
zoning
administrator
and
all
of
those
have
the
ability
to
designate
to
others
that
approval
authority
so
oftentimes.
I
will
designate
things
to
staff
to
approve,
and,
and
so
I
don't
need
to
review
everything
that
they
do
and
and
they
they
can
have
the
ability
to
make
some
decisions,
and
sometimes
the
planning
commission
will,
or
the
landmarks
commission
will
grant
that
to
staff
as
well.
G
G
It's
really
only
most
planned
developments
and
special
exceptions
that
you,
you
have
some
discretion
over,
and
that
is
primarily
because
when
somebody
is
asking
for
one
of
those
two
types
of
approvals,
they're
asking
you
to
expand
their
development
right
typically
in
plan
developments.
There's
two
zones
where
it's
a
little
different,
because
all
new
development
has
to
go
through
the
planned
development
zone
in
the
gmu
zone,
around
the
gateway
and
in
the
cs
zone.
G
J
G
Zoning
amendments,
streets
and
alley
vacations
and
closures.
Those
are
also
discretionary,
and
one
of
the
things
that
I
think
is
helpful
for
for
these
is
that
it's
really
up
to
the
applicant
to
convince
you
to
make
it
to
to
make
a
recommendation
on
their
proposal
or
a
decision
when
it's
planned
developments
are
special
exceptions,
so
they
have
to
convince
you
that
standards
are
met
and
we'll
get
to
what
the
difference
with
non-discretionary
decisions
in
a
minute.
G
G
The
non-discretionary
decisions
are
where
we're
required
to
be
more
objective
and
really
the
role
here
is
to
determine
whether
the
standards
are
complied
with,
and
you,
as
you
guys
practice
tonight
if
something
meets
a
standard
and
it's
a
non-discretionary
review,
you
are
obligated
to
approve
it,
and
so
if,
for
example,
a
standard
can't
be,
you
don't
believe
that
it's
complied
with
you
also
or
to
some
degree,
are
obligated
to
decide.
If
you
apply
a
condition,
can
it
become
compliant
with
that
standard?
G
I
think
that's
something
that's
often
missed
with
conditions
is
that
they
are
intended
to
ensure
compliance
with
a
standard
when
there's
some
doubt
that
maybe
it
wouldn't
and
the
most
obvious
time
is
with
like
a
conditional
use.
If
there's
some
sort
of
standard
that
there's
an
in
a
detrimental
effect
that
is,
is
apparent,
then
we
can
apply
a
standard
to
reduce
that
effect
and
get
to
where
it
complies
with
standards,
with
a
condition.
G
So
there's
a
there's,
a
bunch
of
language
in
state
code,
and
this
is
in
in
10-9a
that
talks
about
how
we
make
decisions
and
what
we
consider-
and
we
don't
expect,
obviously,
with
the
exception
of
commissioners
that
have
the
practice,
land
use
law
or
have
experience
with
it.
We
don't
expect
people
to
really
understand
and
know
the
state
code.
We
try
to
interject
that
into
our
staff
reports
when
we're
considering
what
our
code
means
and
how
to
apply
it.
G
G
State
code
also
says
that
we
have
to
interpret
our
code
to
favor
the
land
use
application.
If
there
is
some
sort
of
vagueness
in
it,
and
so
we
have,
you
know
a
lot
of
people
don't
agree
with
this
part,
but
we
are
a
very
property
rights
driven
state
and
you
know
we
have
to
follow
these.
These
things
that
get
put
into
state
code,
I
will
say
that
a
lot
of
this
is
based
on
case
law,
so
it
isn't
just
the
state
legislature
trying
to
ram
through
development.
G
The
land
use
applicant
themselves,
they're
entitled
to
a
couple
of
things
one.
If
their
application
is
complete,
we
have
to
make
a
decision
on
it.
There's
time
frames,
there's
actually
time
frames
on
land
use,
applications
in
state
code
that
do
conflict
with
some
of
our
regulations
in
our
code.
So,
for
example,
once
an
application
is
complete,
a
land
use
applicant
can
request
a
decision
within
45
days
and,
as
many
of
you
know,
we
also
have
a
city
requirement
that
some
land
use
applications
go
through
a
45-day
early
engagement
period.
G
So
we
have
to
balance
that
out
quite
frequently
with
applicants,
and
we
have
to
my
knowledge
we
have
yet
to
have
anyone
claim
that
45
day
decision
making
and
if
they
did,
we
probably
would
have
to
our
the
state
code,
will
obviously
always
trump
any
conflict
in
city
code.
So
we'd
have
to
follow
that
a
language
applicant
also
is
entitled
to
approval.
This
is
gets
to
what
I
was
saying
earlier.
G
G
G
So,
for
example,
and
that's
limited
to
180
days
from
the
time
initiated,
we
can
hold
applications
if
we're
within
that
180
day
period.
Pending
the
outcome
of
a
zoning
change,
it's
very
rare
that
we
would
do
that.
I
think
I
think
we've
only
done
that
once
in
recent
memory
and
that's
with
the
tsa
zone,
when
we
made
some
changes
back
in
2017
or
2018
whenever
that
was.
G
G
G
You
often
will
hear
things
like
this
is
going
to
destroy
our
neighborhood,
or
this
is
going
to
make
it
impossible
to
get
down
the
street
or
to
drive
through
the
neighborhood
or
something
like
that,
and
that
that's
really
not
an
objective
comment,
because
it's
opinion
based,
and
so
it's
really
hard
to
filter
through
the
all
of
the
nature
of
the
comments.
That's
why
we're
here.
G
G
This
actually
happens
with
our
staff
all
the
time
where
we'll
get
a
proposal
and
staff
does
not
like
it
at
all,
but
it
meets
the
standards,
and
so
there's
really
not
much
even
that
we
can
do
at
that
that
level.
Sometimes
we
will
try
to
negotiate
with
an
applicant
to
make
it
so
that
it's
maybe
better
and
some
applicants
are
willing
to
do
that,
but
but
we
can't
substitute
our
own
personal
preferences
for
for
the
standards,
and
so
one
of
the
things
to
think
about.
G
These
are
actual
stan
standards
that
we
have
in
some
of
our
non-discretionary
processes
in
our
code,
and
this
is
kind
of
a
little
bit
of
a
quiz
so
to
try
to
think
if
these
standards
are
subjective
or
objective.
So
when
you
read
that
first
standard,
do
you
think
it's
subjective
or
objective
same
with
same
with
the
second
and
and
going
down,
and
so.
G
I
can't
remember
if
I
have
the
next
slide
that
gets
into
these,
so
here
we'll
we'll
go
back
to
that
and
I'll
explain
what
my
thoughts
are
on
some
of
those
so
subjective
versus
objective.
A
subjective
standard
is
where
it's
very
reasonable
that
people
could
have
different
interpretations
of
what
it
means
and
what
the
opinion
is
of
somebody.
An
objective
is
generally
more
measurable
and
reasonable
people
would
tend
to
agree
on
what
that
means,
and
so
it
doesn't
involve
the
personal
preferences
or
anything
like
that.
G
So
if
we
were
to
go
back
to
this
slide,
when
you
read
that
first,
when
I
read
that
first
bullet
point
about
the
mass
and
scale,
the
part
that
really
makes
this
troublesome
for
me
is
those
last
three
words
have
it
has
the
scale
and
style
been
considered?
Well,
that's
a
pretty
standard
to
say:
yeah
we
considered
it.
We
just
decided
to
do
something
else.
That's
a
not
a
very
useful
type
of
standard.
G
That's
one
of
our
conditional
use
standards
by
the
way
the
next
one,
access
to
the
site
doesn't
unreasonably
impact
the
service
level,
that's
probably
more
measurable.
We
can
look
at
that
and
we
could
probably
all
discuss
it
and
come
up
to
a
to
some
conclusion
that,
whether
or
not
it
starts
to
impact
the
street,
the
the
the
primary
entrances
shall
face
the
public
sidewalk.
G
G
I
wanted
to
really
quick
over
some
of
these
processes.
Just
so
you're
aware
of
them
we're
not
going
to
get
too
deep
into
what
the
historic
landmarks
commission
does,
because
our
your
your
paths
do
not
cross
very
frequently,
but
most
of
what
the
landmarks
commission
does
is
very
similar
to
the
planning
commission
when
it
comes
to
design
review
and
they're
looking
at
it
from
a
historic
lens
where
you
are
where
the
planning
mission
is
not
necessarily
looking
at
that,
so
any
change
to
a
property.
G
So
there's
two
different
types
of
demolitions:
well,
three,
really,
whether
it's
a
landmark
site
what's
called
a
contributing
building,
which
means
it
has
most
of
its
historic
character
intact
and
contributes
to
the
purpose
of
having
that
district
and
then
there's
non-contributing.
So
each
one
of
those
has
a
different
level
of
review.
So
the
non-contributing
buildings
are
just
staff
levels
approvals.
G
There
is
a
public
notice
for
those
and
then
the
demolition
of
contributing
building
has
a
set
of
standards
that
they
have
to
demonstrate
that
they
meet
in
order
to
be
approved
for
demolition
and
then,
if
they're
not
or
if
it's
a
landmark
site,
it
has
to
go
through.
What's
called
an
economic
hardship
that
economic
hardship
process
is
set
up
to
reduce
or
hopefully
eliminate
any
sort
of
regulatory
taking
created
by
having
a
historic
preservation.
G
B
Okay,
nick,
I
have
a
question.
This
is
a
bit
of
a
tangent,
but
I'm
going
to
ask
it
so
you
said
because
it's
a
landmark,
probably
question,
but
still
I'm
curious.
We
have
these
historic
areas.
These
historic
districts.
Is
that
what
you
call
them
at?
What
point
do
new
air?
You
know
how
far
back
do
they?
How
old
do
they
have
to
be
to
be
historic?
B
And
let
me
finish
by
saying
we
have
such
beautiful,
spectacular
neighborhoods
that
were
built
with
mid-century
homes
that
are
now
70
years
old,
but
I
don't
think
any
of
them
are
historic,
but
I
might
be
wrong.
I'm
just
kind
of
curious
at
what
point
would
those
trigger
and
maybe
become
historic
districts.
G
A
A
Right
so
you
can,
you
can
propose
a
store
district.
I
mean
my
house
is
a
mid-century
modern
house
in
the
neighborhood
of
mid-century,
modern
houses
and
I'm
sure
that
if
we
decided
we
were
going
to
have
a
historic
district,
then
my
house
would
be
contributing,
but
probably
my
neighborhood
would
not
want
to
do
it,
because
on
a
certain
level
it
restricts
what
you
can
do
for.
B
B
G
H
B
G
H
G
Yeah
there
are
some
limitations
on
basically
property
owners
have
to
agree,
and
that's
the
hard
part
with
that,
and
so
we
were.
We
didn't,
negotiate
a
change
in
the
date.
Originally
it
was
1940
and
we
pointed
out
a
number
of
our
neighborhoods
that
that
would
be
eligible
to
be
historic
that
were
built
after
that
and
they
moved
it
to
1950.
But
the
other
thing
that
it
does
is
that
it
also
applies.
G
Well,
so
these
are
just
some
of
those
some
of
the
processes
in
in
the
landmarks
commission-
and
we've
talked
about
these
already,
so
I'm
just
going
to
flip
through
this
part,
really
quick.
The
planning
commission
processes,
I'm
not
going
to
talk
about
special
exceptions,
because
hopefully,
within
the
next
few
months,
those
are
gone,
we'll
see
yeah.
It
is
officially
on
the
on
the
city
council's
table
now
so
we'll,
hopefully
get
out
I'll
get
get
done
soon.
Conditional
uses,
we've
talked
a
little
bit
about
this.
G
The
state
code
requires
approval
if
there's
no
evidence
of
a
detrimental
effect.
I
put
impact
here
because
I
think
it's
easier
for
people
to
understand
that
term
versus
effect
or
if
a
detrimental
impact
cannot
be
reduced.
So
if
the
one
key
thing
about
conditional
use
is
that
even
if
a
detrimental
effect
can
be
reduced
a
little
bit,
we
have
to
prove
it.
So
it's
it's
one
of
those
things
where
the
real
question
is,
whether
or
not
a.
G
G
This
is
really
where
the
role
of
that
engagement
is
really
to
identify
those
potential
impacts
and
examples
of
that
are
really
narrow.
Right.
It's
things
like
hey,
they've,
put
their
dumpster
enclosure
right
next
to
my
property,
and
now
I'm
going
to
have
to
deal
with
that
odor.
Can
it
be
moved
somewhere
else?
Can
it
be
covered?
Can
it
be
enclosed
to
help
reduce
that?
Can
the
lights
be
shielded
things
like
that?
It's
it's
really
intended
to
be
the
immediate
impacts
to
those
neighbors.
G
So
within
this
45-day
period,
it's
also
when
we
do
our
internal
department
review,
so
we
take
advantage
of
that
that
period
of
time.
It's
also
when
we
mostly
write
where
we
will
write
most
of
the
staff
report,
that
we
can
pending
input
from
the
community
and
from
the
departments,
and
then
the
planning
commission
has
some
required
notice
periods
as
well,
and
they
also
require
public
hearing
one
thing
that
a
conditional
use,
that's
not
in
a
residential
zone
or
adjacent
to
a
residential
zone.
G
We
can
actually
approve
at
administrative
hearings,
so
you
guys
never
see
those,
but
we
we
don't
do
many
of
those
anymore.
It's
mostly
things
like
cell
towers
out
in
the
industrial
areas,
and
things
like
that.
You
know
west
of
215
that
that
we
don't,
for
whatever
reason
we
still
have
things
listed
as
conditional
uses.
A
lot
of
the
a
lot
of
the
alcohol
related
conditional
uses
in
downtown
go
through
an
admin
hearing
as
well,
we'll
basically
schedule
those
to
whichever
occurs
first
just
so,
we
can
get
them
out
the
door
quicker.
G
So
there's
two
different
steps
in
the
design
review.
There
are
some
things
that
have
to
go
to
the
planning,
commission
and
there's
some
things
that
we
can
do
at
staff
level.
So
the
staff
level
window
is
pretty
narrow.
It's
basically
a
modification
to
a
specific
standard
design
standard
up
to
a
certain
amount
and
those
are
pretty
small,
and
this
was
a
change
that
happened
back
in
2017
and
then
everything
else
has
to
go
to
the
planning.
Commission
there's
also
a
very
small
opportunity
for
staff
to
approve
modifications
to
planning
commission
approvals.
G
G
Early
engagement,
the
public
input
really
is
focused
on
what
are
the
standards
complied
with,
and
you
know,
design
review
is
hard
that
way,
because
I
think
it's
it's
somewhat
unrealistic
to
expect
people
who,
who
aren't
involved
in
this
stuff
on
a
more
frequent
basis
to
to
understand
how
a
design
standard
works
and
what
it
means
to
them
in
the
in
the
long
run,
and
so
it's
a
really.
I
think
it's
a
really
hard
process
for
people
to
digest.
F
Nick
can
I
just
put
in
for
a
second:
is
there
any
works?
I
mean,
I
think,
one
of
the
things
that's
very
misleading
about
the
previous
process.
The
design
review
is
the
word
design.
Is
there
any
effort
on
your
end,
to
try
to
clarify
that
a
bit
more
for
the
public
yeah
leave
it
I?
That
was
always
something
that
I
think
I
struggled
with
when
I
was
participating
on
the
oh.
I
still
struggle
with
it
of
what
that
means
and
what
people
then
think
around
it.
F
Totally
limited,
but
I
think
if
you're
talking
about
just
your
average
person
in
the
public
who
sees
like
oh
it's
a
design
review,
they
think
of
something
completely
different
than
we
actually
have
the
ability
to
do.
And
so
that's
I
think,
when
we
get
a
lot
of
comments
that
are
way
out
of
our
purview
even.
G
Yeah,
so
there
are
a
few
things
that
we
are
working
on.
We
are
working
on
what
we're
calling
kind
of
a
guidebook
that
will
kind
of
provide
examples
of
how
to
meet
the
standards
in
the
code
and
what
is
a
desirable
outcome
versus
non-desirable
outcomes?
It's
just
a
guidebook,
so
it's
not
going
to
be
something
that
you
know.
If
somebody
does
something
that
we
think
is
undesirable,
but
still
meets
a
standard,
we
obviously
would
have
to
have
to
accept
that.
H
G
It's
it's
really,
it's
really
a
case
law
and
it's
it's
based
on
that
that
provision
in
in
the
state
code
that
it
says,
applicants
are
entitled
to
approval
if
they
meet
the
standards
that
are
adopted
at
the
time
they're
they
make
their
application
basically,
and
so
that's,
what's
that's
one
thing:
it's
easier
to
apply
that
to
a
conditional
use,
it's
much
harder
to
apply
it
to
a
design
review
process
and
we
struck.
I
mean
I'll,
tell
you
on
the
staff
level
we
have.
G
We
have
debates
that
actually
get
spirited
and
heated,
but
sometimes
we
have
to
send
people
off
to
different
corners.
But
it's
you
know
it's
a
tough,
it's
a
tough
thing
and
we're
gonna
try
to
do
what
we
can.
One
of
the
reasons
we're
gonna
try
to
do
what
we
can
to
improve
this
process
and
one
of
the
things
why?
H
B
Crystal
I
would
say
that
the
public
can
provide
input
as
as
they
see
fit.
What
we
have
to
consider
is
limited
to
the
standards.
So
it's
much
better.
If
we
get
input,
that's
tied
to
what
we're
evaluating,
because
for
reasons
outlined
in
state
code
as
well
as
case
law,
public
clamor
isn't
something
that
we
can
consider
it's
not
a
basis
for
approval
or
denial,
but
the
public
can
come
and
say
whatever
they
want.
It's
just
what
we
take
into
consideration
when
we
make
a
decision.
F
I
want
to
just
expound
on
adrian's
thoughts,
because
one
of
the
reasons
why
I
always
would
like
more
pertinent
public
comments
is,
I
always
feel
like
people
leave.
I
felt
this
way
too.
Prior
to
being
on
the
blending
commission.
I
would
leave
the
planning
commission
meetings
and
just
feel
like
they
weren't
listening
to
me.
F
They
were
they're,
not
they're,
not
paying
attention,
they
don't
care,
but
in
reality,
now
that
I'm
on
this
side,
there's
just
so
much,
I
can't
even
consider
and
so
the
more
we
can
help
kind
of
guide
those
comments
they
can
say
whatever
they
want,
but
but
for
them
to
understand
what
are
the
ones
we
can
do
something
with.
Maybe
the
public
will
go
away
feeling
a
little
bit
better
about
the
process.
G
G
So,
there's
a
coup,
there's
a
bunch
of
things
that
we're
doing
behind
the
scenes
that
hopefully,
will
make
the
decision-making
and
engagement
process
better
at
all
levels.
As
we
go
through
our
kind
of
reinventing
what
city
planning
means
in
salt
lake.
So
getting
back
to
plan
developments,
you
guys
are
pretty
familiar
with
this
so
daniel.
They
have
to
demonstrate
that
there's
some
sort
of
public
benefit
and
I
use
that
term
very
loosely
because
it's
not
really
a
benefit
to
the
public.
G
We
can
show
you
things
where
it's
worked
well
and
things
where
it
hasn't
worked
and
things
where
plan
development
has
been
denied
and-
and
it's
maybe
questionable
about
whether
the
outcome
of
following
the
code
was
actually
better,
which
that
is
useful
for
us
too,
because
it
helps
identify
where
we
have
deficiencies
in
our
zoning
code,
and
we
can.
We
can
try
to
change
the
code.
So
that
doesn't
happen
again.
As
resources
allow
us
to
do
that
so.
G
B
Exactly
I
know
you
were
using
it
as
an
example.
Please
do
that
with
us.
That
was
that
it
was
one
of
the
most
important
lessons
that
I
have
learned
on.
Planning
commission
is
when
you
did
that
you
showed
us
something
we
denied
and
they
built
it
by
right,
and
it
was
so
bad.
So
please
do
more
of
that.
That's
super
impactful
for
me,
so
thank
you.
G
We've
actually
tried
to
do
kind
of
a
virtual
one
and
it
loses
a
lot
of
its
meaning.
It's
it's
not
as
useful
as
we
put
it
together
and
kind
of
run
it
by
our
staff
and
other
people
they're
just
kind
of
like
not
really
that
interesting
too
hard
to
understand
too
hard
to
know.
What's
actually
was
changed
or
how
it
turned
out.
So.
G
Hopefully,
sooner
rather
than
later
right
so
again,
the
the
thing
about
the
plan
development
is
that
the
planning
commission
does
have
the
authority
to
modify
almost
every
regulation
in
the
code
through
that.
There's
there's
two
things
that
you
can't
increase:
density
and
you're
limited
in
some
zoning
districts
to
increasing
height
by
basically
five
feet,
to
account
for
technical
things,
which
is
kind
of
a
silly
limit
on
on
what
height
can
do.
But.
A
So
this
plane
we
just
looked
at
what
on
hoyt
place.
You
know
there
that
that
zoning
district,
that
we
recommend
approval,
has
some
restrictions
regarding
the
fundages
and
how
they
have
to
face
the
street
and
how
they
have
to
be.
So
that's
the
kind
of
thing
that
we
can
change
in
a
planned
development
situation.
G
G
If
we're
looking
at
a
design
review
for
extra
height,
they
think
it's
a
variance
and
they
use
the
term
to
describe
things
that
legally
are
not
variances,
but
I
mean,
I
think
you
drink
water,
but
the
purpose
of
a
variance
is
to
preserve
a
property
right
basically-
and
it's
it's
very
limited
and
when
it's
used
we
hardly
do
any
variances,
maybe
maybe
two
per
year
at
most.
I
think,
but
but
they're
generally
there
to
ensure
that
the
zoning
doesn't
essentially
remove
the
development
right
of
land.
G
G
So,
for
example,
the
property
owner
at
some
point
in
times
decides
to
sell
off
a
piece
of
their
land,
and
so
they
they
now
only
have
5
000
square
feet.
Instead
of
seven
thousand
square
feet.
They
can't
seek
a
variance
to
get
more
lot
coverage
to
account
for
that,
because
they
chose
to
do
that
and
they
created
the
situation
by
themselves,
and
it
also
cannot
be
economic
in
nature,
meaning
it
can't
be
just
because
the
solution
might
be
expensive
is
not
a
reason
to
grant
a
variance.
G
So
so
we
can't.
We
can't
approve
a
variance
just
because
someone
says
well,
it's
going
to
be
really
hard
for
me,
they're
really
expensive.
For
me
to
build
this
big
foundation
and
so
we're
like
yeah.
Sorry,
it
doesn't
matter.
It's
really
intended
for
when
the
land
creates
some
hardship,
that
the
zoning
can't
account
for
so
zoning's
really
written
to
be
on
flat
pieces
of
paper
right,
and
we
all
know
that.
G
That's
not
how
the
world
is,
and
so
we
often
have
times
where
the
land
doesn't
line
up
with
that,
and
so
steep
slopes
are
one
of
those
examples.
So
sometimes,
if
somebody
has
a
slope
on
their
property,
that's
super
steep
and
they
can't
really
build
on
it.
They
could
seek
a
variance
to
move
that
building
closer
to
a
property
line.
G
To
address
that
we
have
had
situations
in
this
city
too,
where
we
actually
have
a
we've,
had
a
creek
that
runs
right
through
the
middle
of
somebody's
property
and
they
couldn't
meet
if
they
applied
the
front
yard
setback,
their
building
would
have
been
in
the
creek,
and
so
we
we
did
approve
a
very
the
hearing
officer
actually
approved
a
variant
for
those
for
that
type
of
thing.
So
again,
they're
pretty
rare,
and
they
don't
happen
very
often.
F
G
G
Two
of
them
are
former
planning
commissioners,
actually,
so
that
that's
good
because
they
understand
zoning
and
then
but
anyway,
yeah.
That's
that's
where
it
is.
So,
if
you
saw
it,
it
was
probably
a
planned
development
where
they
were
trying
to
reduce
a
setback,
and
it
probably
was
because
they
couldn't
demonstrate
that
they
had
a
hardship,
and
so
they
didn't
qualify
for
a
variance
so
that
that's
that
that
is
one
of
the
reasons
why
we
have
to
generate
some
plan
developments.
G
B
Yeah
no,
this
is
I'm
gonna
say
this
was
interesting.
The
other
thing
I'm
gonna.
If
we
can't
get
in
a
van
together,
you
set
up
some
walks
before
where
you
know
that
were
open
to
the
public.
We
could
go
over
a
lot
of
this
stuff
and
you
know
I'm
sure
there
are
blocks
you
could
take
us
on.
That
might
be
interesting
as
well.
So
that's
just
my
two
cents
on
this.
A
G
Yeah,
so
I
don't
know
when
we're
going
to
be
able
to
resume
in-person
planning
commission
meetings,
I
would
I
would
anticipate
it
won't
be
too
much
longer.
I
think
it's
still
probably
a
few
months
away,
but
but
I
bet
I
bet
we'll
be
back
some.
You
know
this,
hopefully
within
the
next
three
to
six
months,
but
I
anticipate
that
we
will
maintain.
G
Hopefully
we
don't
have
the
same
kinds
of
technical
issues
that
we've
been
having
with
webex
and
maybe
we'll
be
able
to
use
a
different
platform
when
we're
back
in
person
and
we
can
control
the
security
things
a
little
bit
more,
but
I
would
envision
that
we
keep.
This
keep
some
some
virtual
components,
because
it
is
a
good.
You
know
it
may
not
be
where
all
of
you
have
your
own
camera,
but
you
know,
maybe
it
would
be
super
easy
for
us
to
have
it.
G
A
H
B
G
G
H
G
H
G
B
A
A
Okay,
so
unless
there's
any
more
discussion-
and
I
hope
there
isn't-
because
it's
late
already-
and
I
appreciate
the
very
much
the
and
the
excellent
presentation
by
nick
and
as
a
planning
professor,
I
want
to
say
you
did
a
great
job
and
and
so
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
ask
for
adjournment.
Unless
someone
has
an
objection.