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From YouTube: Planning Commission Meeting - March 10, 2021
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Planning Landmarks Commission - March 10, 2021
https://www.slc.gov/historic-preservation/
https://www.slc.gov/boards/historic-landmark-commission-agendas-minutes/
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The
world
health
organization,
the
president
of
the
united
states,
the
governor
of
utah,
the
salt
lake
county
health
department,
salt
lake
county
mayor
and
mayor
of
salt
lake
city
have
all
recognized.
A
global
pandemic
exists
related
to
the
new
strain
of
the
coronavirus,
sars
skovid
ii,
due
to
the
state
of
emergency
caused
by
the
global
pandemic.
I
find
that
conducting
a
meeting
at
an
anchor
location
under
current
state
of
health,
public
health
emergency
constitutes
a
substantial
risk
to
the
health
and
safety
of
those
who
may
be
present
at
the
anchor
location.
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If
you
look
at
the
very
bottom
right
hand
of
your
screen,
there's
a
little
tiny
icon
and
it
looks
like
a
little
hand
like
this.
If
you
click
on
that,
it
will
indicate
to
us
that
you'd
like
to
speak
so
once
you
have
spoken,
if
you
would
click
on
that
button
again
to
remove
the
hand
that'll
help
us
move
more
quickly
through
additional
public
hearings.
So
we
know
who
would
like
to
participate
and
who
would
not?
I
also
just
want
to
take
one
minute
and
introduce
our
new
member
of
our
administrative
staff.
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Yeah,
I
guess
I
don't
have
a
lot
prepared,
but
I
think,
as
most
people
know,
the
legislative
session
ended
last
friday
and
there
were
some
pretty
significant
land
use,
related
bills
that
were
passed,
and
so
we
will
be
doing
a
update
on
what
that
means
for
the
planning
commission
over
the
next
meeting
or
two,
depending
on
how
fast
we
can
put
something
together,
but
it.
But
some
of
those
some
of
the
bills
that
did
pass
will
require
a
little
some
changes
to
city
processes
and
codes
to
reflect
that.
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Yes
good
evening,
so
I
provided
you
with
a
memo
with
the
information
you
requested
from
the
last
meeting.
This
item
comes
from
the
january
27th
meeting
the
public
hearing
was
closed
and
the
commission
tabled
it
and
requested
additional
research
into
the
legal
status
of
the
of
the
road
called
kinetic
court.
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Some
of
the
lots
along
canada
court
have
right-of-way
access
over
it
and
that
is
described
in
their
deeds.
Other
lots
along
canada
court
do
not
have
that
right-of-way
access
described
so
some
have
explicit
access.
Some
have
not
so
explicit
access
the
subject:
property
on
on
the
corner
and
I'll
share.
My
screen
here,
just
to
refresh
your.
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You,
based
on
the
findings
listed
in
the
staff
report,
the
testimonial
plans
presented.
I
moved
up.
The
planning
commission
approved
oops.
I've
got
the.
This
is
the
right
one.
Yes,
ira
1024
llc
plan
development,
edition
pln
pcm,
2020
00413
and
preliminary
subcollision
subdivision
plaque,
pln
suv,
2018.00697,
subject
to
the
conditions
listed
in
the
staff
report
and
the
following
condition
that
the
units
be
limited
to
two
bedroom
units
with
no
changes
to
the
off
street
parking
plans.
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Commissioners,
if
I
could
maybe
interrupt
you
for
a
minute,
I
think
we're
having
some
weird
glitchy
issues,
so
I
kind
of
want
to
I
hope,
if
paul
and
nick
are
listening,
we've
been
getting
emails
where
people
are
required
to
have
a
password
to
enter
in
as
an
attendee,
which
is
not
normal.
You
should
be
able
to
just
attend,
and
so
I've
gotten
emails
here
and
then
we've
had
several
applicants
who
haven't
been
able
to
get
in
without
that
password.
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If
you
are
watching
this
on
television,
be
sure
that
you
can
also
call
in
if
you
would
like
to
call
in
as
well.
So
all
right,
we
have
a
the
number.
One
is
ground
lease
area
at
approximately
1269
south
legacy
view
street
case
number,
plnpcm
2020-00845
and
the
staff
presentation
will
be
by
chrissy
gilmore.
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So
the
proposed
ground
lease
equipment
is
smaller
than
the
existing
ground
equipment
and
shorter
than
a
six-foot
limit
established
by
the
ordnance.
The
additional
ground
lease
area
will
be
fenced
using
the
same
materials
as
the
existing
fence,
so
the
larger
parcel
upon
which
the
equipment
is
situated
situated
is
3.9
acres
in
size,
so
the
proposed
increased
ground.
Lease
area
is
minimal
when
compared
to
the
parcel
size
and
should
not
have
more
of
an
impact
or
detrimental
effects
than
the
current
leased
area.
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And
so,
as
far
as
public
process
goes,
recognized,
organizations
received
early
engagement
notice
as
well
as
property
owners,
and
the
glendale
community
council
requested
a
presentation
at
their
january
meeting
and
the
applicant
was
there
as
well
as
myself
and
the
community
council
really
just
had
general
questions.
That
did
not
indicate
a
position
on
the
request
and
I
did
not
receive
a
formal
letter
of
a
position
from
the
council
so
staff.
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If
this
fencing
material
was
approved,
the
transparency
would
reduce
to
approximately
33,
and
it
should
be
noted
just
up
front
that
the
proposed
material
is
not
permitted
as
in
residential
fencing
material.
So
if
the
planning
commission
approves
the
application,
the
applicant
will
need
to
meet
code
and
propose
a
different
material.
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So
the
underlying
history
of
this
property
is
it's
undeveloped,
which
I'll
go
into
in
just
a
moment.
But
it's
an
undeveloped
vacant
property
with
a
view
of
downtown
salt
lake
city
and
so
residents
come
they
gathered
on
the
property
public
sidewalk
and
then
the
applicants
stating
that
the
additional
fence
height
for
the
for
the
fence
is
required
to
secure
the
property.
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The
applicant
is
claiming
that
the
installation
of
this
privacy
screen
is
imperative
to
neighborhood
safety,
since
this
screening
was
approved
in
2018
and
installed
in
2019.
The
neighborhood
has
also
asked
the
sally
police
department
for
an
increase
in
police
presence
between
2019
and
2020.
There
were
43
calls
to
the
slcpd.
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And
so
that's
where
I
put
the
red
line,
so
you
can
see
where
it
hit,
and
then
it
should
be
noted
that
while
they
want
to
block
the
views
of
downtown
salt
lake,
the
street
is
public.
Although
parking
is
prohibited
in
some
areas
and
then
during
certain
hours,
it's
still
a
public
street
and
the
public
sidewalk
as
well
so
yeah.
So
you
can
see
from
the
photos
on
the
bottom.
The
view
would
not
be
blocked
from
the
public
sidewalk
and
then
I
also
took
a
picture
standing
next
to
the
fence.
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So
the
applicant
or
the
proposal
does
not
comply
with
six
of
the
eight
standards.
The
specific
standards
for
additional
fence
height
the
proposed
screening
would
make
the
existing
six
foot
fence
less
than
eighty
percent
open
and
spatial.
The
screen
would
create
a
walden
effect
in
the
front
yard
of
the
property
which
is
not
compatible
with
the
character
of
the
neighborhood
or
urban
design
of
residential
zoning
districts.
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The
neighborhood
consists
of
open
front
yards,
as
you
can
see,
from
the
photos
of
edgecombe
drive
on
the
left
and
then
other
streets
nearby
on
the
right,
and
it
consists
of
open
front
yards.
I
on
edgecomb
drive
they're
only
15,
so
three
of
the
properties
have
a
fence
located
in
the
front
yard.
Two
of
those
are
solid
wood
and
then
one's
a
low
raw
defense.
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The
proposal
does
not
include
ornamental
features
or
architectural
embellishments,
and
the
proposed
screening
is
not
permitted
residential
fencing
material,
the
land
uses
surrounding
the
property
are
single-family,
with
a
natural
open
space
at
the
rear,
and
they
do
not
require
special
height
exceptions
and
then,
finally,
under
this
section
of
standards,
staff
has
not
determined
that
the
screening
would
enhance
the
security
of
the
neighborhood
any
more
than
existing
six
foot
tall,
transparent
defense
already
does
and
then
under
general
standards.
The
proposal
does
not
comply
with
four
of
the
seven
standards.
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It
would
reduce
views
public
views
and
then
it
could
also
increase
crime
because
the
property
would
be
walled
off
and
regardless
of
the
screening,
people
could
still
jump
or
vandalize
the
fence
to
gain
access
if
they
decided
to
do
so
and
other
considerations
while
reviewing
this
were
the
capitol
hill
master
plan.
The
master
plan
specifically
for
this
neighborhood
emphasizes
the
importance
of
protecting
view
corridors
and
we
maintain
the
character
of
the
the
neighborhood
and
then
also
while
not
a
standard
of
approval.
N
I
reviewed
the
crime
prevention
through
environmental
design,
principles
which
are
just
considered
best
practice,
they're,
they're,
a
multi-disciplinary
approach
of
crime
prevention
that
uses
urban
and
architectural
design
and
the
management
of
the
built
in
natural
environment
to
protect
properties.
So
the
three,
the
three
bullet
points
below
territorial
reinforcement
and
natural
access
control.
N
Fencing,
is
a
prime
example
of
territorial
reinforcement,
which
is
the
distinction
between
public
and
private
property.
The
six
foot
fence
that
currently
exists
and
signage
on
the
property
that
says
it
had
no
trespassing,
also
no
parking.
It
clearly
indicates
that
the
private,
the
property
is
private
and
the
positions
aren't
welcome
shorter
fences
and
landscaping
can
accomplish
the
same
goal
by
defining
space
and
establish
establishing
a
sense
of
ownership.
N
The
applicant's
request
to
add
the
forefoot
screen
could
deter
people
from
stopping
to
look
at
the
view
of
the
city.
If
they
were
to
park
illegally
in
front
of
the
park
or
in
front
of
the
property
which
they
do,
they
definitely
do,
but
it
would
also
inhibit
neighbors
from
seeing
anything
going
on
behind
that
fencing
could
potentially
create
a
more
you
know,
unsafe
environment
and
then
finally,
maintenance.
I
included
some
photos
of
the
property
from
google
earth.
N
You
can
see
people
gathering
on
it
for
some
sort
of
protest
or
photos
in
2015,
but
the
other
two
photos
are
examples
of
the
maintenance
of
the
property
throughout
the
year.
So
well-maintained
properties
signal
to
passerby
that
someone
cares
about
the
property
they
care
about
what
happens
in
the
space
and
they're
maintaining
and
attending
to
it.
So
the
lack
of
maintenance
can
contribute
to
vandalism
which
may
escalate
into
more
serious
crimes
over
time.
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But
in
addition
to
reviewing
the
police
reports
and
the
applicant's
proposal,
staff
review
the
property
history,
including
the
number
of
civil
enforcement
cases,
building
permits
and
planning
petitions
since
2012,
there
have
been
26
cases
initiated
by
civil
enforcement
for
violations.
Some
of
them
were
for
graffiti.
So
you
know
that's
not
something
that
the
applicant
or
the
property
owner
would
have
caused.
N
It
would,
however,
block
the
view
from
a
low
profile
car
which
would
address
one
of
the
applicants
concerns
about
people
parking
in
front
of
the
property.
That
being
said,
they
could
still
legally
park
other
places
and
see
the
view.
The
proposed
forefoot
screening
does
not
meet
this
special
exception,
as
standards
of
approval
and
staff
is
recommending
denial.
If
the
planning
commission
does
approve
the
request,
they
will
need
to
change
the
materials
which
would
be
appropriate
to
improve
at
a
staff
level.
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Thank
you
very
much.
You
may
have
heard
the
saying
before
by
robert
frost
from
his
poem
mending
wall.
Good
fences
make
good
neighbors,
I'm
going
to
submit
that.
This
is
a
slight
twist
on
that
saying,
because
here,
the
good
fence
that
we're
looking
for,
which
was
up
for
a
while,
but
I
guess,
was
non-compliant
the
privacy
screening,
as
was
briefly
mentioned
by
miss
roman,
the
neighbors,
want
it.
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If
you
look
at
the
materials,
it's
between
two
pieces
of
real
property
that
are
enhanced
that
have
homes
on
them,
the
the
fence
runs
as
close
as
we
could
put
it
to
the
neighbor's
property
lines
to
try
and
reduce
people
going
around
or
over
it.
The
height
of
the
fence
was
specifically
because
people
were
getting
onto
the
property,
and
this
would
reduce
it,
there's
a
gate
that
allows
access
to
try
and
keep
the
property
up
to
the
extent.
There
was
any
concern
with
that.
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Vandalizer
vandalizing
has
occurred
on
the
no
trespassing
signs
defense,
the
gate
is
there
to
get
in
and
mow
it
we've
been
trying
to
make
sure
that
it's
a
more
presentable
place.
The
privacy
screen.
The
four
foot
was
up
when
the
fence
was
constructed
for
a
while,
until
my
clients
were
ordered
to
take
it
down
and
the
neighbors
helped
with
taking
it
down
so
that
you
know
we
were
obeying
the
law.
What
we're
looking
at
here
is
for
the
benefit
of
the
community,
not
just
my
client,
thomas
jefferson
said.
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And
it's
since
gone
up
again,
since
it
was
forced
to
be
removed
it
to
the
extent
that
ms
roman
mentioned,
that
it's
blocking
the
view.
Well,
it's
really
not.
She
admitted
that
when
you're
standing
on
the
sidewalk,
so
if
people
aren't
parking
right
in
front
of
it
and
they
really
want
to
take
a
look,
they
still
can,
but
it
but
having
the
privacy
screen,
was
effectively
reducing
people
from
parking
and
running
cars
in
front
of
it.
P
From
littering
from
creating
a
nuisance
when
they're
not
supposed
to
be
there,
they
come
it's
an
attractive
nuisance
because
it
brings
people
at
all
hours
of
the
night,
even
when
they're
not
supposed
to
be
there
at
all
on
the
street.
And
so
what
we're
trying
to
do
here
is
promote
the
best
interests
of
those
who
actually
live
there
to
protect
them
to
not
have
to
have
them
call
the
police
all
the
time.
It's
going
to
reduce
the
problems
that
the
police
officers
have
to
face
there.
P
As
far
as
the
material
goes
we'll,
certainly
if
this
honorable
body
is
willing
to
allow
this
to
occur,
we'll
make
sure
that
we
have
compliant
materials
that
are
up,
it's
not
blocking
the
entire
view
for
pete,
but
it
makes
a
difference
in
this
particular
case
and
claiming
that
it's
going
to
create
places
to
hide
and
create
actually
more
damage
to
the
neighbors
and
and
to
the
property.
That's
just
not
true!
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You
can
see
over
it
when
standing
there,
the
neighbors
can
see-
and
you
know
so-
nobody's
gonna
be
able
to
to
hide
behind
it.
You
can
still
see
who's
there.
You
know,
so
I
would
just
ask
that,
even
though
the
staff
has
recommended
it
against
it
in
this
case
that,
in
this
case,
an
exception
should
be
granted
for
very
good
reasons.
We
know
it
works
because
it
did
work.
We
took
it
down
when
we
were
ordered
to
do
so,
but
we'd
ask
for
permission
to
put
it
back
up.
P
A
P
N
Either
one
either
one,
so
that's
if
you
call
them
asking
for
them
to
drive
by
the
property
or
look
at
the
property
or,
if
they're
in
the
neighborhood
and
they
decide
to
make
a
stop
and
the
neighborhood
did
ask
for
an
increase
in
police
presence.
So
if
you
look
at
the
call
log,
there's
zero
patrol
checks
until
2019
and
then
it
increased
to.
I
I'd
have
to
look
at
it
right
now
too
hard
with
my
sharing
of
the
screen,
but
I
believe
30
about
35
within
2019.
D
P
D
N
P
I
P
P
I
N
K
I
A
Q
A
That
being
said,
I'm
going
to
open
the
public
hearing.
If
you
would
like
to
speak,
please
tap
on
the
little
hand
down
in
the
bottom
of
the
bottom
of
your
screen,
there's
a
tiny
little
box
with
a
tiny
little
hand,
and
if
you
tap
on
that,
then
we
will
know
that
you
would
like
to
speak
and
after
you
finish
speaking,
you
can
tap
it
again
so
that
we
will
not
will
not
call
on
you
again
so
john.
Can
we
speak?
Can
we
begin.
C
Yes
and
again,
if
anybody's
having
trouble,
if
you
for
some
reason,
can't
find
a
little
hand
or
you
have
any
issues,
you
can
send
us
an
email
at
planning
comments
at
you
can
send
us
an
email
that
just
says
your
name
and
would
be
happy
to
call
on
you.
You
don't
have
to
write
out
all
your
message.
If
you
want
to
have
your
message.
Just
read
aloud
we'd
be
happy
to
do
that
too.
So
we
do
have
several.
So
members
of
the
public
would
like
to
speak.
C
R
Yeah,
could
I
actually
request
that
maybe
a
switching
of
orders-
megan
colston,
was
a
significant
part
of
the
authoring
of
the
application
in
support
of
the
property
owner
and
I
also
provided
support,
but
we
sort
of
organized
her
comments.
So
she
could
give
you
the
sort
of
the
overview
and
then
I'll
follow
on
that.
Is
that
possible.
C
F
F
We've
lived
in
our
home
approximately
six
years
and
have
experienced
things
I
wouldn't
wish
upon
any
neighborhood
or
any
of
you.
We've
had
violent
crimes
such
as
gunshots
we've
had
international
tour
buses,
stop
at
our
property.
We've
had
drug
para
familiar
paraphernalia
and
I
can't
even
count
the
sleepless
nights
we've
had
in
fear.
We
appreciate
the
thorough
review
of
the
application.
However,
we
respectively
disagree
with
the
report's
conclusions.
F
First
and
foremost,
the
property
is
absolutely
a
public
nuisance
and
continues
to
be
so
even
after
the
installation
of
the
six-foot
fence.
What
I
can
tell
you
is
that
the
visitors
to
the
property
have
not
decreased
since
the
erection
of
the
six-foot
fence.
While
it's
prevented
people
from
trespassing
on
the
property,
there's
still
hundreds
of
people
that
frequent
the
property
and
now
congregate
and
party
on
the
sidewalking
street
in
the
in
our
proposal,
detective
allen,
gibbock
have
even
said
quote:
it's
been
one
of
his
top
complaints
in
his
district.
F
Secondly,
the
report
references
the
number
of
police
calls,
but
I
want
to
be
very
clear
and
let
you
know
that
the
neighborhood
has
essentially
stopped
calling
the
police
and
parking
enforcement
out
of
frustration.
It
can
take
the
police
up
to
an
hour
from
the
point
of
call
to
actually
visiting
the
property.
It's
a
huge
problem,
especially
when
attention
is
needed
immediately
and
additionally,
parking
enforcement
hours
are
closed
when
we
need
the
help,
the
most,
which
are
the
late
evening,
hours
and
all
through
the
night.
F
F
A
C
R
Thanks
so
much
so,
I
think,
as
I
listen
to
the
comments
from
the
staff
and
some
of
the
questions,
what
I'm
hearing
is
that
we're
applying
developed,
lot
standards
and
thought
processes
to
an
undeveloped
law.
So,
as
megan
said,
this
is
a
vacant
lot
in
a
single
family,
zoned
neighborhood,
that's
been
co-opted
by
the
community
as
a
public
amenity
and
a
park
space
effectively
this,
while
just
one-tenth
of
a
mile
away.
There's
a
beautiful
city
park
with
wonderful
views
for
people
to
see
and
the
reason
they
don't
go.
R
They
could
get
out
of
their
car,
go
to
the
public
park
that
has
proper
trash
facilities,
proper
parking
and
and
use
it
as
it
was
intended,
but
we're
now
getting
a
single
family
lot
and
the
reason
they're
using
it
is
because
they
can
sit
in
their
car
pure
and
simple.
So
I'd
like
you
to
view
this
in
its
interim
state
and
in
fact,
in
the
the
proposed
change
that
you
are
looking
at
in
the
fence
ordinance,
I
know
that
you've
talked
specifically
about
vacant
lots
and
looked
at
the
unique
circumstances.
R
There,
unfortunately,
the
proposal
from
the
planning
commission
doesn't
go
far
enough
to
allow
us
to
put
this
kind
of
screen
in
place,
but
rest
assured,
this
is
just
a
part
of
the
solution.
It's
not
the
silver
bullet.
We
do
trash
campaign
pickups
on
a
regular
basis.
We've
discouraged
news
media
from
broadcasting
on
the
site.
We
call
parking
enforcement,
we
coordinate
with
community
policing,
we've
looked,
we've
had
temporary
video
surveillance
by
police,
we've
done,
feasibility
studies
on
landscaping,
lighting
and
video.
R
So
what
I
want
you
to
understand
when
you
listen
to
what
will
be
a
litany
of
other
comments
from
there'll,
be
some
energy
on
these
comments,
because
we've
been
working
hard
and
we've
been
working
together
and
we've
been
trying
to
find
a
solution.
That's
a
nice
compromise
because
someone
at
a
full
six
foot
screen,
but
then
others
said
you
know
what
how
about
if
we
allow
for
a
screen
that
still
lets
people
take
a
look
at
the
view
get
out
of
their
car.
R
Take
a
look
and
then
move
on,
because
the
problem
is
those
that
ignore
all
the
no
parking
signs
ignore
all
the
enforcement
and
sit
there
all
night.
So
I'd
ask
that
you
consider
the
broader
picture
of
what's
going
on.
We
have
a
land
use
conflict
here
in
an
intermu
situation,
so
you're
not
you're,
not
proposing
something
that
can
be
used
across
the
whole
city,
you're,
proposing
something
we're
proposing
something
and
you're,
considering
a
proposal
for
a
very
specific
circumstance.
So
thank
you
for
your
consideration.
A
A
A
H
A
A
D
D
H
H
Q
Thank
you.
I
appreciate
your
taking
the
time
to
consider
this
matter.
I
live
directly
across
the
street
with
my
six
children.
My
three
youngest
children
are
under
10
years
old
and
the
my
greatest
concern
is
their
safety
and
with
the
vast
number
of
people
that
come
to
the
view,
lot
and
conduct
illegal
in
illegal
activities.
Q
Q
And
what
I
have
observed
is
that
the
no
parking
restriction
did
not
stop
people
from
parking.
What
it
did
is
they
keep
their
car
running,
believing
that
as
long
as
the
car
is
running,
they
are
not
in
violation
of
the
parking
ordinance
and
what
the
car
serves
for
them
is
a
convenient
place
to
hold
their
beer
and
a
loud
source
of
music
so
that
throughout
the
night
they
can
entertain
themselves
and
we
stopped
calling
the
police,
because
the
police
were
not
coming
and
when
they
would
come
by
the
time
they
got
there.
Q
I
F
P
F
P
Late
afternoon
or
evening
hours
and
looked
at
this
situation,
if
you
had,
you
would
find
out
that
you
cannot
go
more
than
five
minutes
without
somebody
violating
the
no
parking
signs
that
are
in
front
of
that
lot
and
that
at
least
half
of
them
are
playing
their
radio
or
their
stereo
or
whatever.
So
loud.
You
can
hear
them
inside
my
house,
that
is
three
houses
away
and
the
the
litter
that
they
throw
out
there.
They
shatter
beer
bottles
and
whiskey
bottles.
P
They
they
dump,
can
cans
on
the
sidewalk
and
the
curb
and
throw
them
over
the
fence
and
into
the
lot,
and
they
just
completely
ignore
the
no
parking
situation,
and
it
would
be
nice
if
we
could
get
some
enforcement
of
that.
But
the
police
are
restricted
as
to
how
many
people
they've
got,
and
they
can't
come
up
here
and
sit
on
our
on
our
one
lot
and
protect
any
of
the
rest
of
the
city.
P
And
the
only
thing
that
we're
trying
to
do
here
is
to
curtail
the
activity
that's
going
on
in
there
and
when
you
do
it,
there's
still
some
people
in
large
trucks
that
can
see
over
the
top
of
it
from
the
street.
But
by
and
large
you
cut
way
down
on
the
amount
of
people
that
are
parking
there
illegally
at
all
hours
of
the
day,
and
it
is
all
hours
it's
not
just
in
the
night
time
there
there's.
You
can't
go
30
minutes
without
walking,
seeing
a
car
there
parked
illegally.
I
I
The
previous
speakers
have
made
it
clear
how
terrible
the
situation
is
nights,
especially
summer
nights
and
good
weather,
and
so
on.
You
get
all
this
trash.
You
got
noise,
you
have
lights,
you
have
fireworks,
it's
just
a
mess,
so
I
just
want
to
make
a
few
quick
points.
Since
I
only
have
two
minutes
here,
number
one,
the
six
foot
fence
has
been
a
success.
I
Adding
the
screen
would
make
it
even
more
of
a
success
it.
It
demonstrated
itself
previously,
despite
the
no
parking
ordinance
and
three
signs
which
are
often
vandalized
people
routinely
park
there,
especially
on
weekends
and
summer
nights,
a
screen
inhibits
that
somewhat
to
some
degree
because
it
prevents
people
from
just
sitting
in
their
cars
and
hanging
out
that
includes
winter
idling.
I
By
the
way
I
walk
past
there
in
the
winter-
and
I
see
people
sitting
there
in
a
car
idling,
adding
a
lot
of
filthy
exhaust
to
our
filthy
winter
air
and
it's
and
with
us.
They
had
a
screen
there.
They
wouldn't
be
able
to
do
that
because
they
come
there
for
the
view
and
if
the
screen
forces
them
to
get
out
of
their
car
stand
by
the
on
the
side,
then
they
can
look
at
the
beautiful
view
of
the
city.
I
I
K
Okay,
thank
you
good
evening.
My
name
is
rhonda
deveraux,
I'm
at
88
edge
comb
drive.
I
feel
fortunate
that
I'm
not
right
next
to
the
empty
loft,
which
is
quite
the
nuisance.
You
know
I've
lived
in
this
neighborhood
for
almost
20
years
when
we
first
moved
here
fox
news
used
to
film
the
news
nightly,
sometimes
in
the
morning
from
this
empty
lot,
and
we
got
to
know
the
people
who
were
there,
so
we
weren't
trying
to
push
them
out.
We
were
happy
to
see
them
use
the
lot.
K
There
was
a
few
taxi
drivers
that
you
would
always
see,
bringing
their
fares
out
to
the
empty
lot
to
show
people
our
beautiful
city,
and
we
were
always
happy
to
have
them
too.
It's
not
that
as
a
neighborhood.
We
don't
want
people
to
enjoy
the
view.
The
problem
is,
is
that
the
people
who
are
going
to
the
lot
have
changed
over
the
years.
These
are
not
respectful
people
that
come
to
enjoy
the
view
and
then
leave
they
come
to
party.
They
come
to
do
drugs.
K
I
can't
walk
the
dog
down
the
sidewalk
when
there
are
groups
of
people
gathered
around
this
empty
lot,
because
I'm
afraid
of
what
could
become
of
me
and
or
my
dog
when
I
pass
through
them,
because
they're
not
like
a
friendly
crowd
that
you
would
want
to
just
jump
in
or
walk
by
in
the
evening
without
fear
that
something
might
happen
to
you.
I
should
not
have
to
be
afraid
to
walk
down
the
sidewalk
in
my
own
neighborhood.
That
is
unacceptable.
K
The
four
foot,
privacy
fabric
or
there's
also
metal
options
that
we
had
initially
looked
at
is
not
a
permanent.
Actually,
the
whole
fence
is
not
a
permanent
feature
for
that
law.
It's
temporary
for
heaven's
sakes,
it's
temporary
to
keep
us
safe
and
to
try
and
reduce
the
traffic
and
the
nuisance
and
the
garbage
and
the
drugs
and
everything
else
that
we're
forced
to
put
up
with,
and
even
if
we
call
for
city
services
relief.
F
Thank
you
very
much.
Can
you
hear
me?
Yes,
we
can.
Can
you
hear
me?
Okay,
thank
you.
We
live
on
dorchester.
I
pick
up
my
husband
every
night
for
from
work.
We
come
back
up
and
it's
sometimes
impossible
to
get
down
the
street
on
edgecomb,
because
there
are
cars,
double
parked
on
the
street
and
it
has
to
become
a
one-lane
street,
have
to
wait
and
honk
it
at
people
to
get
out
of
the
way,
and
that
doesn't
account
for
just
that.
F
A
H
M
We
have
a
little
bit
more
of
a
unique
situation
since
we
are
so
close,
we're
actually
the
people
that
go
out
twice
a
week
with
the
plastic
bag
to
pick
up
all
the
garbage,
we're
the
people
that
have
the
driveway
that's
used
to
turn
around
most
people
approach
from
coming
up
east
capital
turn
in
turn
it
to
our
driveway
turn
around
and
then
they
can
park
at
the
place.
So
that's
been
a
little
bit
disconcerting.
M
M
No
one,
no
one
stops
to
park
there
all
right
and
it
is
100
effective,
and
I
think
that
if
we
were
to
do
the
two
that
have
that
same
four
foot
shield
in
this
empty
lot,
I
think
it
would
work
significantly
to
reduce
the
amount
of
traffic
and
remove
some
of
the
inconvenience
that
we
experience
living
there.
That's
all
I
have
to
say
thank
you
very
much.
Thank.
K
K
P
M
From
the
neighbors
as
well
and
appreciate
them
they're
accurate,
this
has
been
a
huge
historic
nuisance.
There
are
often
times
when
there's
people
parked
up
and
down
both
sides
of
the
road
oftentimes.
When
there
are
people
double
parked
people
sitting
there
partying
drinking
playing
loud
music.
I
I
actually
don't
understand
how
the
neighbors
can
even
tolerate
the
closest
neighbors
can
tolerate
the
level
of
noise
on
many
occasions.
This
is
a
huge,
huge
problem.
It
has
been
a
problem
for
years.
M
Maybe
that
cameras
could
help
too,
but
this
is
a
very
good
proposed
solution
and
it
will
take
the
lion's
share
away
of
the
kind
of
people
that
like
to
just
sit
in
their
car,
throw
the
door
open,
have
a
beer
and
watch
the
city
lights.
While
they
have
their
little
party,
they
can
go
a
block
and
a
half
down
and
go
to
the
city
park
and
have
a
much
better
place
to
do
that.
M
F
L
L
L
Is
there
going
to
be
a
break
in
or
what
are
they
doing
out
there?
It
makes
me
very
worried.
I
don't
open
my
windows
in
the
summer
because
I
hear
too
much
noise
and
I
just
don't
know,
there's
a
fear
element
here
and
I
think
that
should
be
considered
as
you
think
about
what
we're
doing
here,
and
I
did
see
that
that
mesh
helped
a
lot,
and
I
agree
with
my
neighbor
that,
where
it
appeared
the
cars
were
less
were
fewer
and
where
it
was
open
they
came.
You
know
we.
L
I
saw
your
comment
about
being
walled
in.
Have
you
noticed
you
do
have
some
faces
up
here,
because
people
are
getting
kind
of
worried
about
that.
Maybe
we'll
see
more
fences
on
our
public
private
property
because
of
that
I
don't
think
that's
going
to
cause
a
walled
in
effect
at
all
to
have
that,
in
fact,
it
will
definitely
improve
because
we
won't
see
wheats
and
trash
and
everything
else.
L
A
C
H
H
A
E
Thank
you.
My
name
is
amy
leach.
I
don't
live
in
the
neighborhood.
Yet,
although
that
is
a
plan
of
mine,
I
just
want
to
tell
you
a
little
bit
of
an
outside
perspective.
My
dad
lives
about
four
or
five
houses
down
for
the
lot.
He
just
recently
passed
away.
He
was
100
years
old,
and
so
I
would
go
every
night
to
visit
him
and
the
nightmare
of
me
having
to
navigate
that
street.
E
With
my
father,
every
single
night
was
about
the
most
maddening
thing
that
I
could
do
during
the
day,
and
so
I
got
into
the
habit
of
shining
my
bright
lights
on
all
those
that
were
parking
there
when
they
shouldn't
have
been
parking
and
the
violent
reactions
that
I
got
from
people
the
finger
and
threatening
actions.
Just
for
me
shining
blood,
my
lights
as
if
this
was
a
property
that
they
owned
instead
of
them
violating
the
law.
E
The
other
thing
is
one
time
I
saw
a
police
officer
up
there,
and
so
I
stopped
my
car
and
I
had
a
nice
conversation
with
him,
and
I
said
what
can
be
done
and
he
said
oh
here.
Let
me
give
you
a
direct
number
so
sure
enough.
The
next
night
I
was
going
by
and
I
called,
and
it
went
right
to
a
recording
and
it
never
went
any
further
than
that.
The
next
three
nights
I
did
the
same
thing.
E
It
went
right
to
a
recording,
and
so
when
the
neighbors
say
that
they
call
the
police
and
it
does
absolutely
nothing,
it
is
so
maddening
and
I
don't
even
live
there.
So
I
can't
even
comprehend
what
these
neighbors
have
put
up
with
for
so
many
years.
It
is
not
their
property,
it's
a
private
property.
The
people
who
own
the
property
want
to
solve
the
problem.
E
We
want
to
solve
the
problem
and
there's
a
solution
that
is
so
obvious
that
it
just
seems
ridiculous
for
us
not
to
implement
it
even
for
another
trial
to
keep
some
statistics
to
see
if
it
really
does
reduce,
as
these
neighbors
are
wanting
it
to
do
and
as
it
said
that
it
did
before.
So
it
just
seems
to
me
beyond
common
sense
that
this
won't
even
be
implemented
just
even
for
a
trial
period,
so
that
we
can
see
if
it
really
does
make
a
difference.
The
other
thing
is
you
don't.
H
G
G
I
feel
like
a
very
realistic
view,
and
so
I
appreciate
their
participation,
I'm
wondering
amanda
if
we
have
any
idea
of
how
many
vacant
lots
we
have,
because
I
do
very
much
worry
about
when
we
allow
something
for
one
particular
extraordinary
event,
because
every
neighborhood
is
going
to
feel
like
theirs
is
an
extraordinary
event
as
well,
and
I'm
just
wondering
like
what
is
the
magnitude
of
our
potential
for
vacant
lot
issues.
Do
you
know
given
a
sense
about
that.
N
C
This
is
john,
I
was
going
to
say.
Obviously
this
is
a
really
specific
question,
so
I
don't
have
a
great
answer
for
you
to
say
that
there's
15
and
there's
20,
but
you
know
it's
not
that
uncommon.
If
you
even
just
kind
of
look
at
the
google
view-
and
you
start
just
in
this
neighborhood
alone
and
start
making
down
like
sandhurst,
which
is
the
furthest
west
road
on
the
on
the
block.
C
A
lot
of
these
that
are
on
the
furthest
west
that
have
the
best
view,
often
end
up
being
the
ones
that
are
the
last
ones
develop,
probably
because
they're,
the
most
costly
or
you
know
the
most
in
demand.
So
it's
definitely
not
a
singular
problem,
although
I
wouldn't
be
able
to
tell
you
how
large
of
a
problem
would
be
if
that
makes.
C
I
A
A
A
D
A
Yeah,
so
I
mean
I
don't
know
if
this
is
you
know,
if
we,
if
it's
a
temporary
offense,
whether
the
applicant
would
be
willing
to
build,
I
mean
it's
actually
going
to
be
pretty
expensive
to
do.
Events
that
will
meet
city
code
for
this
project,
a
four-foot
fence,
a
four-foot
application
to
the
existing
fence
or
an
additional
fence,
or
whatever.
K
I
guess
my
question
nick
is:
is
that
is
that
just
the
first
couple
of
comments,
or
is
this
body
really
walking
down
that
path?
Because
to
me
it
feels
like
I
can
see
the
neighbors
are
upset.
I
believe
them
that
they're
upset
and
they
want
the
city
to
do
something
about
this.
I
think
this
is
if
they're
upset
they're
upset
at
their
neighbor,
who
hasn't
built
on
the
property
and
they've
been
talking
about
this
for
years,
they're
saying
it's
been
getting
worse
for
years,
you
should
build
on
his
property.
K
I
know
we
can't
make
him
do
that.
That's
not
what
I'm
implying
but
they're
mad
at
the
wrong
people,
and
I
hope,
as
a
body
we're
not
gonna,
get
sucked
into
this
fight,
because
I
think
it's
inappropriate
for
us
to
be
trying
to
solve
their
problem.
This
is
I
don't.
I
think
it's
not
our
problem
solved,
but
that's
my
opinion.
If
I'm
alone,
you
guys
can
tell
me
I'm
up
in
the
night
yeah,
I
I'm
with
you
sarah
to
me
this
isn't
a
land
use
issue.
K
This
is,
this
is
a
nuisance
issue
that
they're
trying
to
come
up
with
laney's
solution
to
solve,
and
I
I'm
I
can't
see
how
we
get
there
under
how
the
code
is
drafted.
I
don't
feel
compelled
to
make
an
exception.
You
don't
have
that
authority.
I
don't
see
where
we
we.
I
mean
it's
pretty
clear
that
it
can't
be
that
opaque
in
the
standard.
So
I'm
I'm
struggling
to
see
where
the
code
gives
us
the
authority
to
approve
the
screen.
I
Well
so
I
mean
there's
two
sections
here:
there's
this
there's
the
first
section
where
this
special
exception
is
authorized
and
maybe
staff
and
clarify
I
mean
they
don't
need
to
meet
all
of
those
criteria.
They
only
need
to
meet
some
of
those,
and
then
they
need
to
meet
all
the
criteria
in
the
general
standards.
Is
that
correct?
Like
for
the
special
exceptions
you
have
to
meet
one
or
two
of
these
other
like
for
when
it
could
be
authorized?
Is
that
am
I
reading
that
correctly?
Do
they
have
to
meet
all
of
those
both
sections.
N
I
General
standards
yeah,
so
there's
21a,
5230
special
exception
authors
authorized
and
in
there
there's
a
through
eighty,
they
kind
of
outline
like
when.
Certainly
there
are
some
that
they
do
meet
and
some
that
they
do
not,
but
some
that
are
relevant,
something
or
not,
but
they
don't
need
to
meet
all
a
through
h.
They
just
need
to
meet
one
or
two
of
these,
and
then
we
take
one
of
these.
Then
we
go
we
apply,
then
we
apply
the
standards
in
21a,
52
60
and
they
have
to
meet
all
of
those
standards.
N
N
H
H
C
Well,
the
commissioner
sure
we
are
talking
about
hype
because
there's
a
six
foot
fence
in
the
front
yard,
and
what
they're
now
asking
for
is
to
amend
that
original
approval.
So
we're
still
talking
about
that
original
over-height,
six-foot
fence
we're
not
talking
about
a
new
four-foot
fence
at
this
time.
A
I
I
mean
I'm
generally
trying
to
find
a
way
to
make
it
happen.
I
mean
they,
it
might
seems
like
if
this
was
a
four
foot
fence
and
they
came
to
us
and
said
they
want
to
increase
it
to
six
feet
because
of
security
problems
and
people
climbing
on
the
property,
I'm
being
probably
more
inclined
to
do
it.
I
wouldn't
be
inclined
to
do
a
six-foot
fence
necessarily,
but
but
because
I.
F
I
A
forefoot
and
they
would
said
that
we
want
to
go
to
six
feet
because
of
the
public
safety
and
trespass
and
other
issues,
I'd
probably
inclined
to
kind
of
maybe
consider
that,
and
I
don't
think,
there's
a
lot
of
adverse
impacts
that
really,
if
any
that
happen,
if
anything,
there's
a
benefit
to
to
most
the
people
that
are
there,
including
the
trash
cleanup
and
the
even
the
expense
on
the
police
kind
of
coming
by
from
public
standpoint,
the
police
constantly
come
by
that
property.
It
seems
like
a
lot
of
calls
on
one
property.
I
D
To
begin
with,
I'm
concerned
that
the
the
owner
of
the
property
who's
responsible,
I
feel
for
a
lot
of
these
issues,
isn't
going
to
maintain
that
that
screening
element
and
so
that's
why
I
brought
up
the
idea
of
the
wood
that
would
make
a
more
durable
longer
lasting
screening
element,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day
it
should
come
down
to.
When
is
when?
Is
there
a
time
limit
on
this
and
when
are
they
actually
going
to
develop
the
lot
you
know?
Is
this
a
permanent
solution,
or
is
this
a
temporary
one.
D
A
K
K
K
You
know
it
feels
to
me
with
this.
What
I'm
hearing
from
the
from
the
neighbors
is
a
lot
of
triggering
language.
You
feel
you
know
when
they're
talking
about
the
way
they
use
the
police,
it
feels
like
weaponizing,
the
police.
I
don't
understand,
I'm
not
hearing
about
real
crimes
other
than
a
little
bit
of
loitering
and
a
little
bit
and
some
you
know
they're
throwing
trash
well
that
happens
in
all
our
neighborhoods.
K
K
So
we've
proposed
that
very
solution
for
other
neighbors
when
they've
come
and
wanted
to
do
six
foot
fences
along
seventh
east
and,
in
other
circumstances,
where
similar
issues
were
coming
up.
So
I
I
agree
there.
There
probably
are
other
solutions
out
there
as
well.
I
still
can't
get
around
the
criteria
a
where
it
has
to
be
80
open
right.
K
I
Point
not
good,
it
meets
criteria
e,
I
would
say,
exceeding
allowable
high
limits
in
the
cases
where
it's
determined
that
negative
impacts
occur
because
of
noise
pollution,
light
or
other
encroachments.
In
the
right
safety
and
security
and
aesthetics
of
the
area,
I
mean
you
would
at
least
meet
one
of
those.
I
mean,
I
agree
that
it
doesn't
meet
a
but
it
could
it
meets
e,
which
would
see
you
you
meet
a
you
me
you'll
at
least
trigger
you
enough
to
go
down
and
look
at
whether
you
meet
the
standards
or
not.
H
And
so,
and
if
you
look
at
the
structures,
a
b
c
d,
e,
f
g
and
h
after
g
before
you
go
on
to
h,
there's
a
semicolon
and
then
the
word
or,
and
so
what
how
I
would
interpret
that
is
that
not
all
of
those
are
going
to
be
applicable,
but
the
ones
that
are
have
to
be
addressed.
So,
for
example,
there's
things
in
here
about
fences
around
schools.
Well,
if
it's
not
a
school,
that's
not
applicable!
H
There's
things
about
avoiding
the
walden
effect
in
the
front
yard
and
residential
district
that
would
could
be
applicable.
So
I
think
I
think
what
makes
this
hard
is
that
some
of
these
are
written
as
actual
standards,
and
some
of
them
are
written
as
here's
situations
where
you
can
seek
additional
fence
height.
H
And
I
know
that's
not
great
advice,
but
I
think
that
I
think
what
as
you
read
through
this,
I
think
if
it
applies
to
this
situation,
then
I
think
that
it.
It
is
something
that
you
have
to
make
a
finding
about
defining,
for
example,
if
you're
not
a
corner
lot,
is
it's
not
a
corner
lot?
That's
not
applicable.
I
think
that's
the
intent
of
how
this
section
was
set
up.
H
K
A
K
A
K
N
N
N
So
the
application
is
for
an
alley
of
vacation.
It's
a
request
by
jonas
and
danielle
stapleton.
They
are
the
owners
of
968
east
elm,
avenue,
they're,
requesting
to
vacate
the
eastern
portion
of
the
alley
between
1000,
east
and
lincoln
street
the
alley
portion.
They
would
like
to
vacate
about
four
separate
properties,
and
the
request
is
in
order
to
acquire
the
property
between
those
four
four
homes.
N
N
N
N
N
N
Aerial
photos
indicate
the
corner
property
at
980
east
on
avenue
incorporated
the
alley
into
its
yards
decades
ago,
but
there
were
no.
There
was
no
curb
cut
at
that
time,
and
the
eastern
portion
of
the
alley
has
not
been
used
as
a
right-of-way
even
before
the
structures
were
built,
but
the
potential
to
use
it
was
completely
removed
once
they
were
in
place.
N
Public
safety,
the
applicant's
narrative
stated
if
our
alley
is
not
vacated
and
the
current
illegal
obstructions
are
removed,
it
will
expose
our
alley
to
severe
safety
concerns
that
exist
in
the
through
alley.
Immediately
west
of
our
block
comments
received
from
the
sally
police
department
and
neighbors
support
the
applicant's
claim
for
a
lack
of
safety,
and
so
while
the
crimes
have
happened
in
the
area
and
staff
is
not
disputing
that.
N
N
The
applicants
state
that
the
reuse
of
the
alley
as
private
property
is
more
beneficial
to
the
community,
which
staff
disagrees
with
the
alley,
connects
streets
and
promotes
active
transportation
such
as
walking
and
biking.
There's
no
community
benefit
to
closing
the
alley
and
absorbing
into
these
properties,
because
it
would
only
serve
those
private
property
owners
and
not
the
public
consideration.
Three
is
utility
access
and
maintenance.
N
The
subject
alley
is
being
used
for
essential
services
and
therefore
there
is
no
lack
of
use,
as
claimed
staff
requested
input
from
rocky
mountain
power
about
this,
how
accessible
the
infrastructure
had
to
be.
They
did
not
provide
a
comment
in
support
or
opposition
of
the
proposal
to
vacate
the
alley,
but
they
did
state
that,
if
vacated,
the
cost
of
maintenance
would
increase
and
the
restoration
of
power
during
an
outage
could
be
longer
which
could
pose
a
safety
issue
for
their
staff
members.
N
If
the
alley
is
vacated,
an
easement
will
be
likely
to
guarantee
that
the
utility
company
has
access
to
their
infrastructure
and
then
consideration.
Four
master
plan
policies.
Initiative
of
plan
salt
lake
is
to
promote
connectivity
through
mid-block
connections
and
the
sugar
house.
Master
plan
speaks
to
oriented
orientating
garage
towards
alleyways,
as
a
mean
to
promote
infill
development
and
walkability.
N
The
sugar
house
master
plan
states
that
in
sugar
house,
alleys
have
traditionally
been
incorporated
into
development
patterns
and
many
alleyways
currently
serve
both
residential
and
commercial
use.
This
is
one
of
the
factors
that
contribute
to
the
pedestrian
orientation
that
many
of
the
well-established
neighborhoods
and
body
the
sugar
house
community
council
did
provide
a
statement
in
opposition
of
the
closure.
N
Staff
is
recommending
the
planning
commission
forward
a
negative
recommendation
to
the
city
council
before
the
proposed
alley
vacation.
While
the
vacation
alley
would
benefit
private
property
owners,
it
would
create
challenges
for
the
operation
of
a
and
the
essential
community
service.
If
the
alley
was
used
as
intended,
it
would
support
the
city's
overall
vision
of
neighborhood
block
connections
and
walkability.
C
C
F
Hi,
my
name
is
danielle
seppington,
sorry
about
the
hauntem
part.
That's
a
name
I
go
by
to
to
personal
friends,
so
I'm
danielle
seppington-
and
this
is
my
husband
jonas
sappington,
from
the
as
we
prepared
our
presentation
today
from
the
staff
report
and
the
sugar
house
community
council
letter
and
some
of
the
comments
that
were
made.
We
believe
that
our
situation
and
the
proposal
that
we're
going
to
present
to
you
for
a
solution
have
not
been
communicated
correctly.
S
S
I
appreciate
that,
in
fact,
some
of
the
things
that
I
felt
were
unclear
before
I
think
she
cleared
up
specifically,
was-
I
think
some
people
have
misunderstood
in
the
past
that
the
structures
that
exist,
that
we
were
using
those
structures
and
so
in
in
that
case,
that
we
had
built
those
structures
and
now
we're
asking
that
that
property
be
turned
over
to
us
and,
of
course,
that
comes
across
much
more
as
kind
of
a
land
grab.
As
some
people
have
said.
Briefly,
we
have
a
family
of
six.
S
We
have
four
children
and
we've
lived
here
since
2010
and
we
like
it
a
lot
when
we
moved
in
there
was
a
portion
of
our
backyard.
I
was
gonna
attempt
to
share
some
photos,
but
I
think
that
might
slow
things
down
and
especially
with
my
learning
curve
here
on
webex.
But
let
me
just
describe
that
when
we
moved
in
there
was
a
portion
of
our
backyard
that
looked
like
to
us
that
it
belonged
to
our
property,
although
it
was
an
odd
shape.
S
It's
like
a
little
extra
box
on
the
south
end
of
our
property
didn't
really
make
sense,
but
we
were
told
by
realtors
and
other
people
like
yeah.
This
is
this
is
a
extra
little
storage
for
you.
We
lived
with
it
like
that
for
a
long
time
and
then,
as
we
are
looking
to
improve
our
home
remodel,
maybe
even
rebuild
it.
It
became
obvious
to
us.
S
S
The
block
to
the
west
of
us
has
not
been
vacated
and
still
exist
as
a
through
alleyway
and
there.
You
know
so.
There's
a
nice
little
science
lab
here.
I
feel
like
where
we
can
look
at
what
it's
like
with
what
it's
like,
without
our
particular
alleyway
as
amanda
described,
is
blocked
through
illegal
structures
that
were
put
there
by
owners.
Essentially
before
our
time.
S
S
S
We
keep
everything
public,
so
the
pros
I
see
is
that
there
would
be
no
illegal
structures.
Obviously,
rocky
mountain
power
would
have
additional
access
to
the
three
poles
on
our
block.
Well,
it
would
only
be
additional,
maybe
for
for
two
of
them
possibly
and
the
third
pro
might
be.
The
city
could
possibly
do
something
nice
with
this
space,
and
I
respect
and
appreciate
all
of
those
things.
The
cons.
S
S
Another
con
is
when
you
compare
our
alley
to
the
one
adjacent
to
us:
it's
not
really
a
suitable
place
for
walking
and
I'm
referring
ex
to
the
alley
to
the
west
of
us
as
amanda
described.
It's
dark
and
there's
a
lot
of
trash
build
up
and
in
fact,
there's
a
lot
of
transient
and
kind
of
homeless
activity
and
camps,
people
places
where
people
live.
S
That's
just
unfortunate
and
I
don't
even
know
who
that
would
belong
to
because
whoever
put
them
there
and
it's
not
our
it's,
not
the
property
of
the
people
who
are
using
them.
So
that's
a
good
question
also
there
would
be
once
the
structures
are
removed.
Then
there's
the
paving
to
get
the
road
to
go
through
there.
S
Another
con.
The
garage
structure
that
belongs
to
the
property
joseph
on
980
elm
is
a
very
nice
looking
structure.
It's
a
compliment
to
the
neighborhood
and
I'm
sure
joseph
would
really
like
to
have
that
as
a
structure.
So
us
my
wife
and
I
applying,
we
really
have
to
consider
our
neighbors
and
what
we're
doing
here
trent
is
our
neighbor
to
the
south
at
2188
on
1000
east.
S
He
has
a
storage
structure
in
the
alleyway
as
well.
That's
structure
number
one.
He
would
lose
that
another
con
we're
just
trying
to
be
good
neighbors
with
those
considerations.
Another
con
is
the
plowing
or
whatever
would
need
to
whatever
it
takes
place
during
the
winter.
It's
just
extra
snow
removal
and
the
the
big
con
I
see
is
when
we
open
up
the
alleyway
all
the
way
through
east
to
west.
S
It
creates
kind
of
an
entrance
and
an
exit
for
what
could
be
unwanted
traffic,
specifically
crime,
and
that
is
evident
to
me
and
everyone
who
lives
in
this
neighborhood.
All
the
comments
unanimously
from
people
who
live
here
were
confident
that
what
we
see
in
the
alley
immediately
to
the
west
of
us,
which
is
the
through
alleyway,
is
just
a
lot
of
bad
traffic,
blight
neglect
and
theft,
so
option
so
that's
option
a
to
remove
these
illegal
structures.
Option
b
might
be
to
vacate
the
whole
alley.
S
S
The
cons
are,
if
we
opened
it
all
the
way.
If
we
vape
I'm
sorry,
if
we
vacated
the
alley
all
the
way
we
are
going
to
restrict
access
to
rocky
mountain
power.
The
pole,
that's
in
the
middle
of
our
block,
would
now
exist
in
someone's
backyard
and
an
easement
would
have
to
be
created
to
probably
facilitate
their
their
use
property
owner
aaron
our
neighbor
at
956
elm.
S
A
S
The
pros
are,
if
we
vacate
only
a
portion,
then
we
are
preserving
all
the
access
that
rocky
mountain
power
needs
and
is
required
per
their
for
their
notes.
100
of
the
homeowners
are
on
board
with
this,
and
the
alley
would
be
close
to
unwanted
traffic.
The
residents
are
empowered
to
maintain
and
beautify
the
area.
The
only
con
that
I
feel
to
be
honest,
is
that
the
city
that
property
no
longer
belongs
to
the
city.
L
S
A
I
I
just
the
staff
is
outlined
in
the
standards
section
that
we
have
to
follow.
You
know
that
the
division,
the
department
divisions,
are
on
board.
It
seems
like
they're
not
and
also
they
outline
that
you
know
that's
the
preference
to
say
to
vacate
a
whole
alley
impartial
and
you
sort
of
respond
to
that
last
part.
A
L
L
We
had
a
number
of
neighbors
from
community
at
our
land
use
meeting
and
we
also
took
comments
from
the
website
and
I
won't
go
over,
who
owns
what
and
when
the
buildings
were
built
because
amanda's
done
a
good
job
with
that,
but
in
sugar
house.
If
you
look
at
the
future
land
use
map,
there
are
a
number
of
allies.
L
L
This
allows
opportunity
for
a
garage
with
an
80
minutes
and
parking
for
both
the
house
and
the
adu,
with
the
lots
to
narrow
the
fit
driveway
off
the
street
to
the
adu.
That
is
the
case
in
the
trigger
house.
Some
of
the
lots
are
very
good
and
I
have
to
say,
the
city
has
no
plans
for
this
alley.
They
have
no
plans
for
any
of
our
alleys
other
than
just
to
keep
them
all
open.
F
L
L
I
don't
know
if
you've
ever
seen,
the
power
ties
come
with
their
access
through
your
nice
backyard,
with
their
truck
your
backyard,
isn't
the
same
when
they
leave.
So
that's,
not,
I
don't
think
a
good
option.
Our
september
storm
is
an
example
where
we
don't
even
know
which
tree
may
fall
where
and
take
out
which
powerful
and
throw
a
neighborhood
into
darkness
for
days.
A
C
M
M
M
There
was
talk
about
having
the
alleys
so
that
there
would
be
room
to
put
a
garage
back
there
to
have
a
garage,
fun
fact.
The
lag,
the
the
lots
are
so
small
that
it's
not
permitted
the
the
homes
already
take
up
too
much
of
nearly
all
of
the
permitted
buildable
area
on
the
lot.
So,
even
if
you
wanted
to
put
a
garage
back
there,
the
lots,
the
lot
size
is
not
permitted.
M
M
M
I
do
want
to
touch
on
access
utility
access.
Two
of
the
polls
are
within
very
easy
access.
I've
talked
talked
to
both
crews
have
visited
those
polls.
They
said
they
had
no
issues
because
there's
concrete
driveways,
there's
road,
there's
no
real
issue
getting
to
them
and,
as
you
probably
know,
of
course,
multiple
neighborhoods,
including
the
one
I
live
over
in
redondo,
the
1500
block
there's
there's
full
of
distribution
lines
in
backyards
of
people's
home.
I
mean
this
is
not
an
unusual
situation.
M
M
C
F
F
I
know
that
the
the
risk
of
danger
and
crime
has
if
the
alley
is
vacated
has
already
been
mentioned,
but
you
know
we
do
have
several
neighbors
on
surrounding
streets
that
have
experienced
theft,
vandalism,
squatting
threats
to
safety
and
they
do
have
their
property
is
fenced.
They
do
still
experience
these
issues.
F
Another
concern
I
wanted
to
address
is
the
issue
of
accessing
power
lines
during
the
september
storm.
Several
of
our
neighbors
did
lose
their
power
and
there
were
no
issues,
barriers
or
delays
at
all
in
access,
they're
fixed
without
an
issue
using
our
driveway,
and
you
know
also
also
to
address
walkability,
I'm
a
walker.
I
understand
the
importance
of
walkability.
F
You
know
our
alley
is
located
just
just
behind
elm
avenue,
I'm
not
one
to
typically
take
alleys
and
I
think
the
type
of
people
that
do
typically
use
the
alleys
in
our
area,
our
homeless
people
and
they
and
they,
you
know
typically
vandalize
the
area
and
and
make
it
unsafe
for
our
children.
We
have
children
as
well.
O
O
My
property
is
east
of
a
thousand
east
of
the
subject
alley
that
is
has
been
given
back
to
property.
Before
that
I
per
before
I
purchased
it,
and
so
I
just
wanted
to
voice
my
support
of
vacating
it
back.
I
just
you
know
to
the
point
of
accessibility
to
power
lines.
I
have
a
project
and
a
commercial
development
project.
O
C
B
B
So,
and
that
was
my
concern
I
I
currently
don't
use
it
to
drive
into
those
garages,
but
I
want
to
be
able
to
at
some
point
and
the
pro
the
owners
at
948
also
park
their
vehicles
on
the
back
of
their
lot
and
they
access
that
through
the
alley
and
then,
of
course,
the
owner
at
2187
basically
uses
it
as
a
driveway,
and
you
know
there's
a
structure
on
the
back
of
that
lot.
That
is
also
a
garage
that
she
doesn't
it's
not
used,
but
could
be
so
yeah.
B
I
mean
my
concern
was
specifically
selfish
for
me,
because
I
want
to
use
it
as
a
thorough
affair
to
be
able
to
park
my
vehicles
back
there
once
I
actually.
I
have
doors
but
they're,
not
like
rolling
garage
doors.
I
do
have
two
wide
doors:
they're,
just
hinged
they're
not
very
convenient
but
yeah
the
I
have.
B
I
had
no
issue
with
what
they
with
what
the
sappingtons
were
asking
for,
except
I
was
concerned
with
my
usage
of
the
alley,
but
yeah
I
mean
I,
I
always
found
it
weird
that
those
somehow
there
were
things
built
in
the
alley.
I
assumed
that
somebody
had,
you
know,
vacated
them
properly,
but
I
guess
it
turns
out.
That's
not
the
case
so
yeah.
I
just
wanted
to
say
you
know
my
reasoning
for
why
I
wasn't
part
of
the.
I
wasn't
supportive
because
I
didn't
want
to
just
say.
A
B
F
Hi
thanks
so
much
I'm
a
property
owner
at
2186,
lincoln
street.
I
experienced
most
of
these
alley
problems
that
people
have
spoken
about,
and
my
property
at
one
point
was
fenced
and
judy
is
right.
It
does
need
again,
but
I
would
say
most
of
the
crime
that
I've
experienced
is
not
due
to
my
lack
of
fence.
While
there
have
been
people
that
pass
my.
F
I
I
wonder
how
much
crime
in
911
calls
that
2187
hundredths
east
has
versus
me
or
if
the
city
has
studied
alley,
adjacency
and
crime
or
911
calls,
if
that's
something
that
they've
looked
into
I've.
Had
my
daughter,
followed
down
the
alley
I've
seen
urination
I've
seen
my
own
things
stolen
from
my
front
porch
and
taken
down
the
alley
and
lots
of
vandalism
and
some
someone
coming
into
our
home.
F
F
C
C
A
A
H
G
G
I
walk
my
dogs
every
day
and
I
use
the
alleys.
I
welcome,
I
see
my
neighbors
walking
down
we're,
not
vandalizing
anything,
I'm
not
suggesting
remotely
that
they
don't
experience
that,
because
I
do
experience
that
in
my
alley
as
well,
but
to
suggest
that
all
users
of
allies
are
up
to
no
good,
it's
patently
false.
G
I
I
actually
walk
in
this
area
too,
all
the
time.
So
it's
not
so
much
about
foot
traffic,
though
for
me,
as
it
is
property
owners,
future
property
owners
and
and
their
ability
to
do
things.
I
think
I
don't
know
when
the
alley
on
the
east
was
vacated.
That
would
be
nice
to
know
if
staff
is
aware
of
that,
but
I
feel
like
there
was
a
time
period
when
they
were
just
always
readily
approved
and
maybe
now
we're
a
little
bit
more
stringent
on
them.
G
A
I
I
can
tell
you
that,
from
my
perspective,
I
agree
with
amy
that
I
don't
like
to
see
allies
vacated
either
unless
there's
some
particular
reason
and
that
they
serve
a
useful
function
in
the
city
and
that
actually
the
trine
would
probably
be
a
lot
less.
If
people
were
passing
through
there
quite
a
few
times
with
their
cars
or
their
bikes
started,
walking
their
dogs
and
so
forth.
D
Yeah,
I
guess
my
opinion
is,
I
can
see
it
both
ways.
I
I
think
a
well-used
alley
is
a
great
thing.
I
think
an
under-utilized
alley.
That's
not
maintained
by
anyone,
is
a
place
for
trash
to
to
gather
and
for
people
to
hang
out
and
if
you
do
put
a
fence,
which
I
heard
multiple
times
now,
you're
just
walling.
F
D
F
D
C
I
don't
know
amanda
if
you
wanted
to
jump
in,
but
one
of
the
reasons
is
that
the
garage
on
10th
east
is
actually
relatively
new
and
and
like
we
said
they
came
in
to
request
a
permit
and
they
were
informed,
not
the
current
property
owners
of
the
properties
before
they
could
not
build
a
garage
and
then
they
did
anyways.
And
so
you
know.
Obviously
we
wish
we
could
drive
down
every
street
every
day,
but
until
somebody
actually
complained
about
it
and
found
out,
you
know
it
was
too
late.
A
B
A
D
N
K
N
K
D
D
C
No,
I
think,
unfortunately,
you
know,
I
think,
that's
that's
a
city-wide
issue,
right,
maintenance
of
alleys,
uphipa
valleys-
and
I
I
you
there
are
definitely
you
know.
Engineering
transportation
would
love
to
be
able
to
spend
more
time,
money
efforts
to
improve
them
and
I
think
there's
some
push
with
the
current
council
administration,
but
I
would
say:
there's
not
an
actual
plan
in
place
right
now.
K
K
Oh,
you
know
I'm
in
downtown
and
we
have
seen
a
lot
of
those
alleys
vacated
over
the
years
and
now
the
city
is
doing
everything
they
can
to
get
them
back,
and
you
know
so
just
because
for
the
moment
the
alleys
aren't
being
used
doesn't
mean
we
as
a
city
want
that
permanently
removed
from
our
options.
So
I
get
that
res.
K
A
Well,
and
also,
I
think,
regarding
that,
sarah
we're
also
talking
about
eight
or
nine
story
buildings
only
two
blocks
from
here-
you
know
in
the
in
the
developing
sugar
house
district
there.
So
you
can
see
down
one
of
these
alleys
to
quite
a
quite
some
tall
structures,
because
it's
not
out
of
the
question
that
there
would
be
extensive
redevelopment
over
time
here.
D
I
I
think
well,
I
find
a
structure
too.
That
was
just
recently
built
extremely
frustrating.
I
don't
know
how
you
would
force
on
that.
It's
just
and
I
it's
not.
I
mean
it's
extremely
frustrating,
although
the
fact
that
structure
one
has
been
in
place
for
nearly
20
years
means
that
ally
really
has
not
had
a
through
street
for
over
20
years,
I
mean,
even
though
there's
been
two
buildings
or
two
structures,
and
still
it's
20
years
of
that
alley
being
only
a
partial
alley,
so
I'm
not
sure
there's
really
a
I.
L
D
N
A
C
A
C
I
I
So
because
of
structure
one
being
in
place
for
over
20
years,
I
generally
find
you
know
I
generally
find
that
it
meets
the
criteria,
a
lack
of
use
and
if
I
meet
that
standard
for
a
reason
to
to
do
it
and
then,
in
terms
of
this,
the
individual
items,
that's
where
I
got.
You
know
the
fact
that
the
city
you
know
there
has
been
repairs
and
work
on
that
sort
of
alleyway.
I
A
G
D
A
D
A
S
A
F
A
Q
Q
This
is
a
property
located
at
approximately
1425
south
jefferson
street.
It's
a
request
through
the
design
review
process
for
additional
building
height
approximately
14
feet.
This
is
in
the
cg
general
commercial
zoning
district,
where
60
feet
is
allowed
by
right
and
so
they're
asking
for
an
additional
14
feet
through
the
design
review
process
and
rendering
the
draw
of
the
apartments,
and
then
staff
is
recommending
approval.
With
the
conditions
listed
in
the
report.
Q
Give
you
a
little
bit
of
context.
Here's
the
vicinity,
zoning
map,
the
parcel
is
outlined
on
that
map.
It's
three
parcels.
Actually
one
of
them
is
a
sliver
parcel
in
between
the
two
larger
parcels
and
they
will
be
combined
as
part
of
building
on
this
property.
It's
as
I
mentioned
zone
cg.
It's
got
frontage
on
both
1400
south
and
jefferson
street.
Q
The
jefferson
street
frontage
will
be
where
the
building
faces
to
the
front,
surrounded
by
a
variety
of
zoning
cg
mainly
to
the
west
and
north
and
residential
business,
a
little
bit
to
the
northeast.
It
is
adjacent
to
rmf
35
to
the
east
and
there's
a
14
foot
unpaved
alley
between
the
subject
properties
and
where
that
rmf
35
zoning
starts
and
then
to
the
immediate
south.
It's
owned,
rmu
residential
mixed
use,
quick
overview
of
the
neighborhood,
the
property.
Q
Q
Quick
facts
on
the
project:
the
total
properties
when
combined,
will
be
0.45,
acres
and
they're,
proposing
a
74-foot
high
building,
that's
seven
stories,
which
would
include
three
levels
of
parking:
two
above
ground,
one
under
grade
and
four
residential
floors.
Above
that
parking
structure,
total
building
length,
130
feet
on
jefferson,
again,
78
units
mainly
studio
or
one
bedroom
apartments,
and
they
are
proposing
75
interior
parking
stalls.
Q
Some
of
the
site
plan
elements,
as
I
mentioned
it,
has
frontage
on
1400
south
and
the
main
front
of
the
building
will
be
on
jefferson.
The
parking
structure
will
be
entered
about
midway
on
the
property
going
in
from
jefferson
and
there
are
pedestrian
entrances
facing
both
jefferson
and
1400
south
and
then
that
aforementioned
14
foot
alley
between
the
subject
property
and
the
rmf
35
zoning
to
the
east
acts
as
somewhat
of
a
more
natural
buffer,
additional
buffering
for
the
property.
Q
Q
Setback
a
little
bit
of
neighborhood
context
just
for
development
potential
tried
to
lay
out
the
to
the
east.
Probably
two
stories
is
the
potential
highest:
it
can
go
property
immediately
to
the
south
is
zoned
rmu,
so
75
is
allowed
by
right,
75
feet
125
through
design
review
process,
and
then
the
neighboring
cg
properties
are
all
allowed
by
right
to
go
to
60
feet
tall
or
up
to
90
feet
with
the
design.
Q
So,
although
the
properties
as
they
exist
today,
around
this
site
are
maybe
not
built
up
to
their
full
potential,
if
they
were
to
be
redeveloped
in
the
future,
they
could
go
to
higher
heights
a
couple
elevations,
the
west
elevation.
This
one
shows
the
parking
garage
entrance
in
the
middle
and
the
ground
floor
includes
a
lobby
and
leasing
area
and
that
parking
east
elevation
which
would
face
the
alley.
You
just
see
an
opening
towards
the
parking
structure,
the
north
elevation
towards
1400
south
you.
Q
There
is
a
pedestrian
entrance,
but
it's
mainly
you're
mainly
seeing
the
parking
structure
as
well
from
that
elevation
key
considerations.
We
did
look
at
the
master
plan
compliance
and
this
would
be
under
the
central
community
master
plan
which
encourages
things
with
housing
and
compatible
development
and
felt
that
it
met
those
standards
and
also
planned
salt
lake.
The
providing
access
to
a
wide
variety
of
housing,
creating
safe
neighborhoods,
so
it
did
meet
those
in
terms
of
the
other
zoning
standards,
the
commercial,
the
general
commercial
zone.
Q
We
have
the
general
design
standards
found
in
chapter
21a
37..
Those
are
very
limited
as
they
apply
to
the
cg
zone.
Basically,
they
have
to
have
an
operable
entry
for
street
facing
facade
and
parking
lot
light
shielding
the
in
that
chapter
we
don't
specify
in
the
general
commercial
zoning
district
glass
percentages
or
any
of
the
things
that
you
see
in
a
lot
of
the
other
zones.
Q
Eric
did
note
that
the
entry
facing
1400
south
it
was
of
some
concern.
It
doesn't
lead
into
occupiable
space
and
it's
very
it's
a
very
plain
entrance,
just
a
doorway
into
the
side
of
the
building,
which
is
largely
the
parking
structure
and
then
again
the
relating
building
masses
to
human
scale.
There
are
12
design
standards
in
that
chapter.
Q
So
planning
staff
is
recommending
approval
with
the
following
condition
that
that
building
entrance
allowed
along
1400
south
includes
some
pedestrian
oriented
design
elements,
whether
that's
awning,
something
to
welcome,
be
more
welcoming
and
show
that
it's
pedestrian,
friendly
and
eric
included
a
number
of
those
in
the
staff
report
and
revising
that
ground
floor
facade
along
1400
south
in
to
include
more
a
solid
to
void
ratio
and
give
it
more
character.
That
would
be
more
in
concert
with
the
neighborhood.
G
G
G
G
Q
G
G
Because
I
got
to
tell
you
at
10
a.m:
on
monday,
every
one
of
those
was
taken,
so
people
are
parking
there
and
I
would
like
to
know
who's
parking
there.
They
were
full,
and
so
I'm
so
I'm
curious
if-
and
there
was
signs
you
know
that
this
this
parking
is
only
for
this
business,
but
ottawa,
which
is
now
defunct.
So
I'm
just
curious
is
like
how
if
this
is
private
property,
then
how
maybe
the
applicant
can
address
this
in
their
presentation.
G
C
Commissioner
barry,
if
I
could,
I
I'm
just
looking
at
the
kind
of
the
street
view
here,
you
can
see
where
the
sidewalk
doesn't
go
south
on
jefferson
street
yeah,
so
what
I
would
say
is,
but
the
right-of-way
width
stays
the
same,
and
so
I
would
say
this
might
be
a
combination
of
maybe
some
of
their
property.
But
I
would
say
the
vast
majority
is
public
right
away
right
now,.
G
Okay,
and
so
I
guess,
I
would
then
be
curious
if
the
applicant
is
going
to
mirror
this
stalled
parking
approach
or
they're
going
to
do
angled
parking
or
what,
because
they
were
full
and
so
just
to
note
to
the
applicant
I'm
curious
about
this
treatment
of
that.
Okay,
that's
all!
I
really
wanted
to
clarify
before
the
applicant
started.
T
T
Q
C
T
Understood
we'll
we'll
have
him
raise
his
hand
if
he
needs
to
to
chime
in.
Thank
you
for
that
notice.
Okay,
thank
you
so
mention.
The
team
also
want
to
thank
david
for
stepping
in
for
eric
both
david
and
eric
we're
working
with
david,
our
so
high
property
that
will
be
coming
before
you
later
this
month,
but
both
of
those
guys
in
the
planning
department
have
been
incredible
to
work
with.
So
I
just
wanted
to
make
note
of
that.
They've
been
great
and
very
responsive.
T
As
david
mentioned,
we
are
proposing
a
seven-story
building
with
five
levels,
so
it's
five
levels
of
residential
above
two
levels,
a
podium
and
and
like
you
mentioned
one
half
a
level.
Basically
subterranean
we're
proposing
75
stalls
parking
within
that
structure,
basically
giving
us
nearly
a
one
to
one
ratio,
so
78
units
with
75
stalls,
so
one-to-one
ratio.
The
code
actually
only
requires
67
stalls,
so
we're
above
that
that
is
planned.
We
want
that.
T
That
was
before
we
took
control
of
this
property,
but
those
parking
stalls
were
built
halfway
on
the
right-of-way
in
half
well
less
than
half
on
the
property
itself.
That
would
be
changed.
We
would
build
out
that
full
right-of-way
to
include
sidewalk
park
strip
and
so
forth,
and
then
the
parking
as
david
mentioned
would
be
parallel.
T
I'm
gonna
ask
david
or
whoever
controls
the
technology
to
turn
over
sharing
to
jory
walker.
I'm
going
to
have
him
kind
of
give
some
highlights
of
the
architectural,
the
amenities
I'm
going
to
keep
talking
for
a
little
bit,
but
I'm
gonna
then
turn
it
over
to
him,
hopefully
not
taking
too
much
more
your
time.
I
know
it's
been
a
long
night
for
you
guys
already,
but
some
of
those
amenities
will
include
a
on-site
leasing,
management
office,
outdoor
courtyards,
as
well
as
a
club
room.
T
Again,
I
think,
as
far
as
safety
goes,
I
think
the
the
ability
to
have
the
keyless
secured
entrance
will
also
help
during
our
design
phase
and
again,
jory
will
go
into
this,
but
we
we
really.
We
thought
about
the
code
and
what
it
said
about
frontages
on
both
sides
of
the
street
and
having
that
walkability.
T
T
I'm
trying
to
rush
through
this
again,
because
I
know
it's
a
long
night,
so
you
you
can
bring
me
back
to
try
and
answer
any
questions
that
I
forget,
but
really
again
we're
here
before
you
tonight,
requesting
a
a
height
increase
of
74
feet
so
going
from
60
foot,
which
the
code
currently
allows
to
74
feet.
This
is
a
14
foot
increase
from
the
code
and
really
it
comes
down
to
a
water
table.
T
Once
we
were
able
to
go
through
some
of
our
due
diligence.
We
discovered
through
our
geotechnical
report
that
the
water
is
down
to
about
nine
feet
below
grade.
Obviously,
with
the
parking
structure
and
so
forth
and
and
kind
of
the
market,
what's
telling
us
to
provide
for
this
parking
stalls
going
down
very
deep
is
problematic.
It's
not
only
cost
prohibitive,
but
it
it's
also
challenging
to
the
neighbors
around
us,
because
it
would
involve
shoring
it'll,
involve
the
watering,
the
site,
massive
trucks
going
in
and
out
removing
material.
T
J
Much
you
guys
hear
me
okay,
so
this
is
a
rendering
of
the
building.
This
was
before
we
received
some
comments
from
the
city,
and
so
we've
added
some
more
punch,
windows,
there's
more
windows
to
the
front
and
the
other
thing
the
city
was
also
concerned
about.
Was
you
know,
kind
of
how
we're
going
to
light
the
building?
J
We
are
going,
two
stories
of
parking
and
one
story
parking
down
and
that's
the
reason
we're
asking
for
the
height
increase,
but
it's
also
because
we
want
to
make
sure
the
residents
are
safe
and
feel
safe,
and
so,
as
they
slide
their
card
to
go
into
the
parking
structure,
they
can
build
a
parking
structure
and
they
drive
the
elevators
into
their
spaces.
It
creates
a
real
high-end
space
for
the
tenants.
J
The
other
thing
is,
the
top
of
the
of
the
of
the
development
has
a
terrace,
so
the
building
steps
back,
so
the
residents
have
open
space
to
inhabit
and
be
on
top
of
the
building
which
works
really
well,
it's
one
of
the
things
that
the
the
staff
kind
of
gave
to
us.
As
we
worked
on
things,
is
we
looked
at
this
pedestrian
level.
J
And
the
first
thing
we
did
was
is
they
were
worried
about
the
articulation
of
the
skin
here,
so
we
added
more
windows
across
the
front.
We
added
an
entry
into
the
lobby
that
I'll
show
you
that
works,
and
we
added
more
punch
windows
just
to
create
a
more
pedestrian
scale
and
the
other
thing
we
did
that
we
felt
was
very
important.
I
always
tell
people
that
working
with
cities
makes
architects
better
and
so
having
the
city
say.
You
know
we
really
think
you
need
to
have.
J
This
elevation
have
more
a
feeling
of
entry,
so
what
we
did
was
is
we
added
entry
to
this
side
of
the
building
so
that
both
sides
of
the
street
had
entries?
We
had
an
entry
here,
an
entry
here,
and
it
was
a
really
good
observation
by
the
city
and
then
what
we
did
also,
I
think,
was
a
real
good
opposition
city.
The
city
said
it'd,
be
nice
to
feel
like
your
tenants
were
walking
into
some
kind
of
a
lobby.
So
now
you
come
to
the
lobby
here,
a
lobby
here
to
the
elevator.
J
The
leasing
office
is
here
with
glass
here
and
glass
here
and
there's
glass
here
going
to
parking
structure,
so
this
becomes
more
of
a
kind
of
a
transition
lobby
to
the
elevator
to
the
stairs.
So
we
made
those
changes
to
kind
of
address
what
the
city
was
talking
about,
what
they
thought
was
important,
and
so
we,
we
did
add
more
articulation
to
the
first
level
and
more
of
the
ability
to
access
from
both
the
street
corners,
which
we
thought
was
very
very
important
and
was
a
good.
A
good
recommendation
from
the
city.
T
G
I
do
I
have
a
couple
questions,
so
I
can't
really
visualize
your
treatment
on
the
14th
south
side.
I
do
think
the
city
is
correct.
It's
very
I'm
really
unimpressed
with
14
south
and,
unfortunately,
the
nature
of
this
location.
14
south
is
just
by
default,
going
to
be
your
more
visible
spot,
no
matter
how
much
traffic
you
bring
to
your
residence
on
jefferson,
14
south
is
just
a
lot
more
visible
visible
because
of
that
quasi-dead
end.
J
J
To
do,
I
think
we
can
do
planters
and
create
more
an
entry
feeling
there.
We
started
to
play
with
it:
we've
kind
of
gone
here
and
we've
kind
of
had
them,
I'm
sorry,
the
computer's
so
chunk
chunky,
but
we've
kind
of
added
awnings
entries.
Here
we
can
do
some
planters,
some
planting
and
lighting.
I
think
it
really
feels
like
there's
entries
on
both
streets
so.
G
D
G
D
B
A
I'm
going
to
have
to
agree
with
amy
that
I
think
that
that
is
a
real
weakness
of
this
project
is
the
14th
south
facade.
The
improvements
you
made
along
jefferson
seem
reasonable,
but
and
and
good,
but
the
the
14th
south
facade
is
really
not
acceptable.
The
way
it
is
especially
it's
really
just
just
plain,
jane
and
and
and
very
uninviting,
so.
J
G
I'm
just
gonna
make
another
comment
to
you
mark.
When
I
was
there
monday,
I
saw
a
couple
of
people
get
a
walk,
underneath
your
yellow
tape
and
walk
around
to
the
back
side
of
that
european
tech
building.
I
don't
know
what
they're
doing,
but
you
may
want
to
check.
What's
going
on
on
your
property,
there.
J
J
A
A
C
O
A
A
G
I
guess
I
would
just
direct
to
david,
given
what
I
articulated
and
brenda
also
articulated
on
that
1400
south
side.
Do
the
existing
conditions
you've
listed
in
the
staff
report
adequately
address
some
of
the
things
that
jory
said
they
were
willing
to
look
at
because
I
don't
necessarily
think
it
does,
but
I
wanted
your
opinion
on
that.
Q
J
Guys
is
right
now,
all
of
the
material
colors
end
here
and
then
you
have
the
parking
structure
again
and
what
I'm
thinking
would
work
really
well,
if
this
material,
that's
on
the
wall
here,
came
down
and
ended
to
the
ground
here,
so
it
felt
like
the
building
architecture
was
continuing
down
to
the
ground.
So
here
and
here
and
then
across
here
we
would
do
you
know
two
levels
of
planters
that
came
up
to
the
windows
that
created
a
planting
wall
and
a
green
space
that
I
think
could
really
soften
the
look
of
that.