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B
C
B
I
will,
I
will
say
this,
I
don't
know.
Well
I'm
going
to
say
it
anyway.
I
know
that
for
the
community
councils
there
is
a
letter
circulating
that
is,
a
lot
of
the
community
councils
are
are
signing
on
for
where
they
want
us
to
take
a
very
due
consideration
for
considering
city,
sorry,
community
council
boundaries,
but
no
one
has
reached
out
to
me,
no
one
that
I
know
of
has
been
reached
out
to,
and
I
think
that
that
is
a
little
bit
silly.
E
B
Great
question
about
that
so
far
it
has
been
done
through
the
boards
of
the
community
councils
in
order
to
ratify
whether
or
not
to
sign
on
or
not
I,
and
to
that
extent,
the
only
thing
that
I
know
is
that
I
don't
know
that
they
have
actually
had
community
input
with
that.
But
to
be
fair,
I
know
that
at
least
rose
park
and
not
liberty.
Wells.
E
B
E
B
B
B
B
B
B
G
G
G
The
second
change
I
made
was
to
move
the
district
line
between
districts,
three
and
districts
4
down
a
block
from
south
temple
to
100
south
I'm
under
the
impression
that
that
already
is
done
is
that
right
slightly
on
the
original
map
is
that
is
that
right,
here's,
the
current
district?
Oh!
No,
that's
all
the
way
through
to
to
to
the
end
of
of
the
blocks
there,
so
this
would
move
it
down.
G
G
G
I
noticed
in
last
week's
map
that
which
is
basically
this
is
the
same
triangle
here,
and
it
has
been
sort
of
traded
between
district,
one
and
district
three,
and
now
the
map
proposes
to
give
it
to
district
two.
I
admit
that
is
a,
I
would
say,
a
kind
of
a
shortcoming
in
this
map.
It's
probably
not
very
fun
for
the
individuals
that
live
in
this
triangle
to
have
their
districts
change
every
10
years,
but
it
would
create
a
balanced
map
that
has
that
is
operating
within
the
city's
parameters.
G
E
I
don't
know
thank
you
for
your
presentation
and
thank
you
for
your
work
on
on
this.
I
have
one
question
so
on
800
south,
it
would
be
the
north
side
of
800
south
would
be
one
district
right
and
then
the
south
side
would
be.
Another
is
you're
thinking
that
900
south
has
more
density
on
it.
Currently,
that's
why
it's
a
more
fair
moving
it
from
900
to
800.
E
Okay,
thanks
for
that
and
then
just
just
it's
a
comment:
it's
not
a
question,
but
definitely
that
triangle
in
rose
park
is
definitely
I
would
say
that
would
be
breaking
up
a
community.
I
think
that
triangle
is
very
much
rose
park
and
that's
a
very
tight
community,
and
so
that
would
just
be
my
my
concern
with
that.
But.
B
B
D
B
And
what
I'm
thinking
about
when
I
ask
this
is:
do
you
take
into
consideration
that
maybe
we
have
a
lot
of
children
that
are
going
to
be
in
the
next
five-year
span
to
be
voting,
members
etc
and
so
forth?
What
other
considerations
did
you
take
in?
While
you
were
doing
these
lines,
because
you
focused
a
lot
on
the
fourth
and
fifth
district,
not
so
much
on
the
first
and
second
so
forth,
and
so
on?.
G
G
B
No,
no
and
I-
and
I
my
apologies
for
for
saying
that
or
implying
that
this
was
an
imperfect
map,
because
that
wasn't
it.
It
was,
I'm
obviously
a
west
side
apologist
and
I
very
much
advocate
for
the
west
side,
and
I
also
think
about
in
terms
of
the
west
side
growth
which
a
lot
of
the
members
that
are
probably
on
the
east
side
may
have
a
passing
familiarity
or
no
familiarity
with.
B
F
I'm
just
jumping
on
to
affirm
the
comment
about
the
splitting
the
this.
The
triangle
that
has
a
very
deep
rooted
rose
park
feel
to
it
and
and
so
that
that
you
know
that
that
wouldn't
go
well,
but
I
understand
the
need
to
move
it.
What
what,
but
also
it
doesn't
feel
it
feels
kind
of
odd,
is
poplar
grove
this
little
neighborhood,
which
I
live
in
it's
you
know,
that's
a
the
little
euclid
neighborhood
we're
like
we
don't
know
where
we
belong.
F
G
G
D
B
B
Very
very
like
very
strong
apologists
for
the
west
side,
but
I
really
I
do
want
to
say
something
positive.
Neil
about
your
maps,
I
think
they're
very,
very
equitable.
I
think
they're
very
thought
out
and
very
thoughtful
to
how
you're
looking
at
this-
and
I
really
appreciate
the
way
that
you've
stepped
through
things
and
have
adjusted
things
accordingly
to
that.
B
G
G
G
G
Was
it
this
block
group?
Yes,
so
it
moves
the
block
group
from
2000,
south
2200
east.
It
just
restores
that
I
don't
know
is
that
right.
Maybe
that's
not
right.
I
know
it
it.
It
adds
this
yes
to
the
entire
district
for
for
avenues
and
then
the
last
part-
and
I
made
this
map
before
I
knew
that
there
was
going
to
be
conversation
about
this.
G
D
E
F
D
I
mean
none
of
our
none
of
our
city
council
district
boundaries
totally
align
with
the
census
tracts,
but
that
provides
insights
into
the
community
throughout
the
rest
of
the
decade.
So
I
would
stick
with
whatever
the
weirdness
is
the
campus
that
we're
kind
of
you
know
have
been
dealing
with
because
that
aligns
with
other
data
sources.
G
So
mallory
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
I
actually
part
of
the
reason
that
it
draws
my
attention
is
that
the
current
map
actually
splits
the
census
block.
So
this
is
the
block
group
for
the
current
map
and
it
and
it
does
split
both
block
this
block
group
and
that
one,
which
is
what
yeah
like.
I
said
what
what
drew
my
attention
to
it.
I
don't
know
why
they
chose
to
do
that.
D
E
D
But
I
the
one
thing
with
like
blocks
and
block
groups
is
they're
kind
of
arbitrary
and
they
can
change
every
census.
The
tracks
kind
of
remain
consistent,
and
so
those
don't
change
very
much
so
now
we're
getting
into
the
weeds
with
nerd
stuff.
But
so
that
could
be
part
of
why
this
looks
different
is
because
those
can
get
realigned
and
they
don't
have
to
adhere
to
the
2010
boundaries
at
all.
B
Because
this
is
really
excellent
to
know
when
we
talk
about
the
way
that
some
of
these
boundaries
are
fluid.
When
I
think
about
community
council
fla
boundaries
as
being
fluid
blocks
as
being
fluid,
but
tracks
are
not
fluid
and
that
will
definitely
give
us
an
orientation
about
the
way
that
we
look
at
this.
D
Yeah
also
another
fun
track
note,
so
the
I
guess
it's
fourth
fifth
south
the
kind
of
rounded
road
in
the
u
area,
there's
a
divide
there.
Now
that
got
subdivided
into
two
tracks
and
then
kind
of
over
south
south
of
my
weird
marmalade
tracked
that
one
got
subdivided
because
of
a
lot
of
growth.
So
I
mean
that's
not
like
a
big
big
factor
to
consider,
but
just
so
you
know
that
those
two
got
changed
because
of
the
2020
census
population.
It
grew.
A
C
B
A
G
G
G
F
Neil,
when
you
were
sharing
that
was
coming
up,
as
you
know,
the
same
like
I
wasn't,
I
grew
up
on
the
other
side
of
the
tracks.
This
makes
it
more
literal
and
it
puts
a
lot
of
that
industrial
pieces
into
a
neighborhood.
That
is
already
you
know
not
seen
sometimes
as
a
neighborhood.
So
that's
a
something
that
that
comes
up
in
terms
of
using
the
actual
tracks
as
a
boundary
to
separate.
You
know
those
neighborhoods.
B
And
historically
like
we
have
always
viewed
i80i15
as
being
the
cutoff
points
for
poplar
grove,
and
I
am
intrigued
and
interested
in
the
fact
that
you've
pushed
that
beyond,
because
we've
always
seen
those
as
being
natural
boundaries.
But
one
can
make
an
argument
as
you
as
you've
made,
that
we
can
actually
consider
this
part
of
district
2.
B
G
And
I
think
it
helps
district
5
too,
in
the
sense
that
it
makes
district
five
exceed
more
residential
in
in
character.
If
you
think
about
the
tracks
line
a
lot
of
what
is
on
the
east
side
of
the
tracks,
it
veers
sort
of
towards
this
more
residential
character,
I'm
thinking
about
that
stretch
between
the
ballpark
station
and
the
900
south
station
right.
What
do
you
see
on
one
side?
What
do
you
see
on
the
other
side?
So
I
don't
know
there
there's
there's
some
there's
some
interesting
observations.
There.
E
Are
you
sure
I
think
the
one
thing
that
you
know
there's
the
the
tracks
line,
but
the
railroad
tracks?
I
would
say
that
the
majority
of
people
who
live
on
the
east
side
of
the
train
tracks
are
not
coming
west,
because
the
train
is
a
literal
barrier
that
you
could
just
stay
at
for
20
minutes
just
to
try
to
get
home
right.
E
E
So
it's
at
some
point.
The
terrain
tracks
are
going
to
have
to
there's
gonna
have
to
be
a
solution,
but
that's
just
my
like
take
on
that
that
I'm
surprised
that
our
line
is
actually
ninth
west,
because
really
my
opinion
is
the
west
side
is
west
of
the
train
tracks,
like
that's
the
west
side.
Just
because
we're
like
trapped
over
here
sometimes
is
how
it
feels.
H
H
Almost
always,
I'm
gonna
go
east
to
the
marketplace,
not
because
I
like,
like
the
extra
two
miles
to
get
over
there.
It's
just
exactly
that.
I
have
no
idea
if
the
train
is
gonna,
be
there
and
how
long
it's
gonna
be
there
and
going
up.
The
fourth
and
over
is
a
pain
because
I
live
on
night
south.
So
it's
like.
I
can
go
right
here,
going
down
to
13th,
especially
with
all
the
construction
on
third
west
right
now,
like
that's,
not
really
an
exciting,
that's
not
something!
H
H
F
B
F
F
E
B
But,
as
you
can
hear
us
say,
like
psychologically,
we've
always
considered
ourselves
bound
by
train
tracks.
You
either
are
with
the
trade
or
you're
against
the
train
if
you're
against
a
chain
you're
20
minutes
against
the
train
like
this
is
something
that
westsiders
constantly
think
about
and
having
like,
I
spent
10
years
at
poplar
grove
I'm
in
rose
park.
Now
I
love
the
west
side.
I
constantly
am
worried
about.
Am
I
going
to
hit
a
train?
B
H
And
it
becomes
more
of
a
problem
like,
as
you
go
a
little
bit
north
because
since
it
crosses
over
south
temple,
like
you
know,
so,
if
you
need
to
go
up
into
like
the
fair
park
area,
you're
kind
of
in
the
same
issue,
it's
like
like
how
long
is
it
going
to
take
me
to
get
over
to
radawana
tonight?
Is
it
gonna
be
like
a
10
minute
drive
or
is
it
going
to
take
me
a
45
minute
drive.
B
Out
of
all
the
maps
that
you
presented
neil,
that
last
map
interesting-
and
I
really
like
it,
because
it
actually
feels
culturally
more
like
what
I
would
imagine
the
west
side
doing
and
the
way
that
we
the
way
the
city
has
talked
about
the
west
side.
The
way
the
salt
lake
tribune
and
deseret
news
has
talked
about
the
the
west
side,
which
is
like
it's
expanding
and
growing,
and
we're
we're
actually
showing
that
through
the
city
council.
So
thank
you
representing
that.
E
B
B
A
A
A
A
It,
however,
split
a
commercial
node
on
15th
and
15th,
and
we
didn't
see
that
as
a
detriment.
It
also
allowed
two
council
persons
to
either
be
in
favor
of
whatever
that
district
might
wish
to
do
or
that
commercial
node
excuse
me
or
we
would
have
only
one
in
the
camp
chances
are
so
far.
We
have
never
had
two
in
opposition.
A
A
F
F
A
B
I
have
another
question
for
you:
are
you
looking
at
this
map
as
being
solely
focused
on
districts,
five,
six
and
seven,
because
I
noticed
a
huge
disparity
with
districts,
one
and
two,
where
you
really
lowered
the
count
there
and
are
you
looking
just
to
keep?
Is
your
sole
focus
on
keeping
the
community
council
boundaries
in
mind
versus
more
equitable
distributions
and
other
considerations
that
you
have
because.
A
D
C
C
I
I'd
like
to
add
the
pdf
in
today's
meeting.
Packet
is
zoomed
in
to
these
changes
to
wasatch
hollow
where
district
5
and
6
meet,
and
when
ann
and
I
were
talking
about
this
map,
one
of
the
ideas
was
that
these
changes
to
these
borders
could
be
looked
at
as
a
component
that
could
be
added
to
other
maps.
C
B
B
A
A
F
And,
and-
and
I
get
that
I'm
just
thinking
as
to
how
we
you
know
how
we
offer
you
know,
reason
and
logic
for
for
how
we
argue
some
of
these,
I
just
really
needed
to
know
that
at
least
you
know
having
two
councilmen
in
the
pocket
for
a
particular
neighborhood
interest.
Just
doesn't
sound
fair
to
the
rest
of
the
of
the
city.
A
B
A
B
A
B
D
B
And
when
I
think
about
when
I'm
saying
that
I
think
about
fair
park,
that's
split
between
three
different
city
council
representations
and
I
would
like
to
see
that
more
equitably
distributed
and
to
be
more
clarified
in
the
way
that
we're
thinking
about
where's
the
population
going,
and
we
want
to
think
about
also
economic
distribution.
If
we
think
also
about
the
inland
port
that
is
focused
on
the
west
side.
I
would
like
to
kind
of
consider
that
within
this
as
well
again,
not
a
knock
on
your
map,
it's
just
saying
that
there
are.
A
I
believe
when
we
started
we
had
to
be,
I
mean
I'm
I'm
with
you
in
terms
of
our
thinking
needs
to
be
progressive
in
terms
of
the
future,
but
we
were
supposed
to
be
basing
this
on
20
20
census
and
not
considering
the
future.
I
believe
eric
asked
us
about
that.
The
first
time
in
our
thinking
that
we
know
it's
going
to,
we
see
what's
happening,
but
we
have
to
base
our
information
on
the
the
2020
census.
D
I
think
that's
where
this
gets
a
little
tricky,
because
that
core
of
the
growth
has
been
the
area
like
basically
just
east
of
I-15
and
the
east
part
of
the
community
has
not
seen
intense
growth.
Some
of
those
census,
trends
at
least,
have
decreased.
So
you
know,
I
think,
that's
where
the
balance
gets.
D
A
D
B
E
A
E
B
B
How
do
we
view
these
maps
and
can
we
cobble
together
something
that
is
going
to
be
something
that
we
can
all
advocate
for
and
if
we
don't
all
advocate,
for
we
can
at
least
say
here
here
is
the
due
consideration
that
was
given
to
this.
With
these
caveats
brought
out
by
the
commissioners-
and
I
think
that
this
is
an
important
place
for
us
to
discuss
this
and
to
kind
of
grapple
with
how
we
feel
that
the
commission
should
go
with
whatever
particular
map
that
we're
going
through.
B
D
I've
got
a
question
for
those
in
the
fair
park
community
council
area,
so
it
looks
like
the
boundary
of
that
goes
over
to
fifth
west
and
then
there's
a
little
pocket
down
to
kind
of
gateway.
Is
there
a
lot
of
active
involvement
from
that
group
in
that
square
because
I'm
tr,
I
don't
I'm
also
trying
to
navigate
all
of
these
community
councils
and
stuff,
and
I
feel,
like
you
know,
I
go
on
a
run
down
there
and
it
feels
I'm
curious.
F
D
Well,
I'm
just
like
looking
at
the
previous
boundaries
with
districts,
one
and
two
and
how
they
kind
of
chopped
fair
park
in
half
I'm
trying
to
workshop
what
would
be
amendments
that
would
make
sense,
and
so
I'm
just
wondering
if
it
would
make
sense
to
cut
into
right
now.
What
is
district
3
for
that
area
and
lump
it
make
sure
fair
park
is
all
together.
I
just
don't
have
a
good
understanding
of
that
community
council
itself,
I
think,
is,
is
the
thing.
D
C
C
I'm
thinking
two
things:
I
have
a
map
of
the
community
councils,
but
these
are
the
registered
with
the
city
community
councils,
so
the
euclid
neighborhood,
the
guadalupe
neighborhood
they're
not
registered
with
the
city,
so
they
wouldn't
be
on
this
map.
I
can
put
that
one
up
and
if
that's
not
as
helpful,
we
can
switch
to
maybe
google
maps
or
something
else.
B
D
B
F
So
in
terms
of
well
I
mean
the
questions
about
city
council
right
how
they
fit,
but
in
terms
of
like
neighborhood
identity.
That
is
around
that
water
jackson,
guadalupe
neighborhood,
which
is
very
connected
to
cultural
and
identity
wise
to
fair
park,
and
some
might
even
still
call
themselves
rose
park
right.
So
move
over
to
the
to
the
district
3
would
feel
what
would
be
different.
E
A
E
Oh,
I
was
just
gonna
support
that
that
I
think
there's
definitely
when
it
comes
to
like
neighborhood
and
community
interests
this
this
particular
section.
I
definitely
think
it's
very
established
and
I
think,
like
an
organization,
that's
in
this
neighborhood
neighborworks
has
put
a
lot
of
time
and
energy
into
building
community
and
working
here
so
yeah
I
do.
I
think
it
would
need
to
stay
together
for
sure.
B
F
I
would
say
that
and
then
we
would
have
to
look
at
what
that
would
mean
in
population
since
we're
also
getting
a
lot
of
folks
moving
there.
But
I
mean
the
natural
almost
like
the
natural
boundary,
and
I
don't
know
this
captures
it
here.
That's
not
a
temple,
so
I
would
even
say
that
I
would
move
fair
park
and
even
get
move
all
the
way
up
until
I-80
right,
so
that
at
80
becomes
the
divider
and
then
on
the
one
side
of
i80.
F
H
Yeah
when
I
was
drawing
my
maps,
I
was
trying
to
do
something
like
that,
and
there
are
there's
a
lot
of
people
in
this
fair
park
blocks
that
make
that
very
difficult,
and
actually,
when
I
drew
my
maps
even
this
little
sliver
here
where
the
koa
is
along
the
river.
That's
one
of
those
that
I
had
to
like
sort
of
move
like
when
I
was
trying
to
keep
the
disc
the
fair
park
together
and
keep
it
in
one
district.
F
F
I
would
consul
would
want
to
consult
with
them
because
it
almost
seems
you
know
to
to
balance
for
population.
I
wonder
if
pulling
down
or
pushing
west
the
salt
lake
city
to
maybe
the
salt
lake
city
district.
What
is
the
brown?
I
don't
know
what
the
brown
is
before
before
pulling
down
district
four
to
come
past
I-15
up
to
900,
west
and
maybe
gather
some
of
those
neighborhoods
or
even
all
the
way
up
to
10th
west
would
maybe
address
some
of
that.
But
that
might
be
too
much
moving.
B
D
B
F
And
actually,
I
think,
there's
an
argument
to
be
made
that
that's
actually
changing,
at
least
in
this
particular
area.
There's
a
lot
of
people
who
are
being
pushed
out
and
other
folks
are
coming
in
and
buying
homes
right,
so
the
transitness
is
part
of
rental
which
is
being
sold
left
and
right
and
they're
demolishing
also
houses.
So
when
we're
not
looking
to
the
future,
but
thinking
about
it,
that's
something
to
consider
right.
E
You
know,
like
I
think,
my
neighbors
and
community
members
who
live
like
around
welfare
square
are
a
part
of
my
community,
not
another
community
and
so
like
to
have
that
division
is
troublesome
to
me.
So
I
don't
know
if
you
know
these
kind
of
these
hard
places
with
four
and
two
that
we
need
to
work
through
if
anyone's
interested
in
just
a
scouting
adventure
to
to
see
what
it
is
that
we're
impacting
right,
because
I
don't
know
I'm
a
visual
person.
So
for
me
that
just
like
really
helps
me
yeah
and.
B
E
F
I
will
bring
out
tea
and
cookies
for
you
all
to
experience
the
27
homes
in
our
little
neighborhood
so
or
24.
You
know
going
down
because
they
keep
breaking
them
down.
I
would
be
down,
for
I
would
be
down
for
a
field
trip.
It's
also
depends
on
when
a
little
on
capacity
and
time,
but
I
think
that's
a
really
great
suggestion
marty
in
terms
of
like
we
got
to
really
see
with
the
impacts
of
the
neighborhoods
that
we're
making.
So
I
definitely
want
to
affirm
that.
E
And
I
love
daniel
that
you're
here
with
us
because
really
like,
even
though
I've
lived
over
here
for
so
long
like
I
can't
speak
to
euclid
at
all.
I
didn't
even
know
like
this
issue
with
representation
existed.
That's
my
ignorance
on
that.
So
I'm
just
so
glad
that
you're
that
you're
here
and
offering
yeah
should
we
do
it
like
an
old
fashioned
doodle
poll
where
we
try
to
figure
out
our
schedules
or.
F
F
A
E
And
because
this
is
a
public
and
open
meeting,
I
mean
we
can't
go
to
an
in-person
on
the
road
situation
right
because
we
need,
if
there's
any
public
input
we
need
to
be.
So
I
wonder
if
we
want
to
do
like
a
dare
I
say
a
sunday
morning
or
another
evening.
Wait,
and
can
someone
remind
me
when
we
have
to
have
this
done
by
it's
april
right
like
it's.
F
E
Yeah,
it
does
seem
like
there's
a
little
bit
of
urgency.
I
mean.
Is
anyone
available
like
tomorrow
this
weekend?
How
much
time
do
we
think
we
need
to
do?
We
could
pinpoint
like
eric
daniel
and
I
and
the
other
eric
if
you
want
well,
you
could
be
like
okay,
here's
the
four
spots
like
we
could
even
create
a
map
and
people
could
go
on
their
own
if
they're
not
available,
so
that
we're
not
just
wandering
the
streets.
H
H
F
D
D
E
E
H
A
C
One
suggestion
I've
seen
the
council
do
this
on
occasion
when
less
than
a
quorum
goes
to
say
a
conference
or
a
fact-finding
on-the-ground
kind
of
visit.
Sometimes
they
will
do
a
report
back
to
the
full
body
at
a
full
at
a
meeting
at
a
public
meeting.
So
if
there
are
one
or
two
subsets
less
than
a
quorum
of
the
commission
that
does
meet
at
the
next
meeting
on
the
march
31st,
it
could
be
an
agenda
item
for
you
to
report
back
about
what
was
discussed
and
what
you
thought
was
important
to
share.
A
E
E
E
D
A
E
H
B
B
A
E
H
H
F
E
F
E
Mallory's
been
in
meetings
with
me.
She
knows
it
gets
a
little
bit
much
okay
cool,
so
maybe
I'll
send
an
email
to
eric
and
daniel
eric
lopez
and
daniel,
and
then
tonight
we
can
just
kind
of.
I
think,
we're
probably
all
on
the
same
page
about
where
to
to
look
then-
and
I
will
send
you
information
for
where
we
can
meet
and
just
plan
accordingly,
because
you
might
run
into
a
train.
E
H
B
G
C
Good
question:
the
the
means
of
communication
is
really
secondary.
If
a
quorum
of
this
body
is
having
a
policy
discussion
about
what
is
within
your
powers,
then
that
should
be
part
of
the
public
record.
So
if
that's
a
group
text,
if
it's
instant
messaging
whatever
it
may
be,
if
five
of
you
are
together
and
discussing
redistricting,
that
should
be
part
of
the
public
record.
B
A
B
And
it
may
be
worth
pursuing
and
maybe
it's
this
is
something
I
want
to
bring
up
now
to
the
rest
of
the
commissioners
based
on
neil's
suggestion
here.
Would
it
be,
would
it
be
beneficial
for
people
to
have
like
a
slack
channel
for
us
to
kind
of
talk
more
fluidly
and
also
put
it
on
the
record
for
everybody
as
we're
thinking
about
these
issues,
and
we
want
to
to
talk
to
other
district
leaders
that
are
here
in
the
commission.
B
You
know
again,
I
I
make
no
bones
about
the
fact
that
I'm
just
representing
district
one.
I
know
that
marty's
representing
district
two
and
we
we
seem
to
to
need
to
understand
everybody's
district
needs
and
some
of
the
cultural
and
other
issues
that
were
there
we're
going
for,
and
so
I
I
guess,
that's
what
you're
going
for
neil
right.
I
don't
want
to
put
words
in
your
mouth.
G
B
And
I
also
think
it's
worthwhile
to
to
piggyback
on
what
neil
said.
There
are
a
lot
of
other
maps
from
other
members
of
the
communities
that
we
just
don't
discuss
we're
discussing
commissioner
maps,
but
I
know
that
haley
league,
alejandro
pugh,
etc
have
also
put
up
maps
and
it'd
be
worth
the
commissioners
to
look
at
and
say:
do
we
want
to
review
those
in
an
actual
meeting,
or
do
we
want
to
not
pay
attention
to
them
so
forth
and
so
on?
B
D
F
E
E
I
have
eric
lopez's
email,
but
I
don't
have
anyone
else's,
so
I
think
either
if
we
can
request
that
that
email
be
sent
tonight
with
all
of
our
emails
or
if
everyone's
comfortable
putting
them
in
the
chat
right
now
I
don't
know
what
privacy
issues,
but
I
just
realized
they're,
not
in
our
emails,
we're
all
copied.
I.
F
Something
I
want
to
make
public,
but
I'm
okay
with
emailing,
you
all
my
email
and
my
phone
number
so
that
we
can.
You
know,
do
that
also
marty.
You
you've.
Also
something
came
up,
so
I'm
I'm
selfishly,
I'm
leaning
towards
teams,
because
I'm
so
overly
connected
to
my
job
and
all
the
things
that
I'm
doing
so.
If
it's
up,
if
it's
a
new
app,
I
don't
trust
in
my
ability
to
give
it
everyday
attention
like
and
that's
something
that
I'm
already
plugged
in.
B
Can
do
teams
too,
because
I
use
that
for
work
as
well,
so
I'm
I'm
amenable
to
whatever
communication
pathway
that
people
want,
and
maybe
this
is
a
good
time
for
us
to
kind
of
have
a
quick
and
formal
poll
about
what
would
be
most
beneficial
text
teams,
slack
and
or
email
whatever.
The
commissioners
would
would
like
to
pursue
as
a
way
to
quickly
and
efficiently
communicate
our
ideas
looking
at
maps
kind
of
an
adjudicating
boundaries,
etcetera
and
so
forth.
Can
we.
H
H
E
B
A
F
H
C
B
I
really
love
asynchronous
communication
for
a
lot
of
reasons
and,
like
the
meetings
are
here,
to
make
decisions
and
to,
I
think,
tussle
with
tough
conversation,
and
I
think
that
we
should
have
another
communication
channel.
This
is
what
I
liked
about
neil's
suggestion
for
us
to
actually
like
think
about
and
think
through
and
test
ideas,
so
that
when
we
get
to
a
meeting,
we
actually
have
something
to
discuss
and
we
actually
can
get
to
a
consensus
or.
B
A
vote
about
what
we
want
to
bring
to
the
city
council,
because
at
this
point
I
don't
think
that
we've
done
that
type
of
concept
of
like
our
purpose
is
to
bring
a
couple
maps
to
the
city
council,
and
I
think
this
will
help
facilitate
that.
So
I
don't
want
more
meetings.
I
want
more
asynchronous
is
what
my
vote
is.
F
So
if
I
mean
using
that
right
and
and
my
apologies-
if
I'm-
if,
if
I'm
going
off-roading
here
right-
but
I
think
part
of
the
process
of
thinking
together
is
also
being
that
collaboration
and
I'm
hearing
that
ann's
only
way
to
communicate
is
via
email.
So
that's
really,
then
that
would
be
then
how
we
should
do
it
so
that
everybody
can
think
and
cooperate
right
and
then
use
the
meeting
time.
But
if
we
go
off
email,
then
we're
not
engaging
in
an
equitable
way.
E
H
F
No,
I
just
wanted
to
paraphrase
so
we're
so
what
you're
saying
essentially
eric
lopez
is
that
so
every
map
is
going
to
have
his
threat,
so
we're
really
going
to
be
working
across
four
or
five
different
email
threads,
depending
on
the
subject
of
that
that's
fair,
and
what
do
you
have
gmail
by
chance?
Do
I
have?
What
is
your
is
your?
F
A
F
H
F
A
C
D
Quick,
I'm
so
sorry,
I
don't
have
a
hand
to
race.
It
is
honestly
really
really
bad
for
you
guys
to
conduct
any
conversations
outside
of
a
meeting.
It
looks
really
bad
with
transparency,
so
be
really
careful
with
anything
you
do
if
you
do
that,
it's
really
frowned
upon
with
open
meeting
act,
conducting
any
kind
of
conversations
as
a
quorum
outside
of
a
meeting.
If
we.
B
D
C
The
other
alternative-
and
this
is
to
michelle's
point-
is
you
meet
as
less
than
a
quorum.
So
if
there's
a
subset
of
four
of
you
that
want
to
have
these
conversations
through
email
and
then
report
back
at
the
next
meeting
to
the
full
body
that
is
more
in
keeping
with
the
open
and
public
meetings
act.
B
What
I,
what
I
view
as
a
hardship
here,
is
that
we
are
representing
essentially
the
city
right
and
it
behooves
us
to
meet
in
some
other
capacity
outside
of
official
meetings,
while
also
presenting
information
and
and
aligning
with
the
open
meetings
act
here
because,
for
instance,
like
noel,
doesn't
know
and
and
doesn't
know
about
the
west
side.
But
I
would
like
to
teach
you
about
that.
B
B
E
That's
the
agenda
is
getting
into
like
the
nitty-gritty
stuff,
like
maybe
that's
on
a
tuesday
and
then
on
thursday
we
present
maps
or
we
are
even
like
drawing
one
together,
I'm
thinking.
Even
with
like
the
west
side,
we
could
just
go
like
we
could
do
a
powerpoint
presentation
and
be
like
this
is
a
visual
of
what
we're
talking
about
or
because
I
do
want
to
be
respectful
to
the
city
staff's
time.
E
I
do
want
to
share
information
of
like
these
boundaries
and
what
we're
talking
about
so
that
people
can
see
it,
but
I
do
know
that
the
open
records
like
if
anyone
wants
to
like
remember
the
salt
lake
city
school
board
last
year,
making
it
interesting,
and
so
I
want
to
be
super.
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
just
following
in
line
with
with
that,
for
so
we're
doing
due
diligence
right.
C
D
D
The
biggest
hurdle
to
me
is
how
you
kind
of
divide
up
district
four,
because
it's
got
such
an
over
population
for
you
know
so
it
if
we
can
kind
of
look
at
our
districts
how
they
relate
to
district
4
and
then,
potentially,
you
know,
keeping
the
community
council
or
whatever
your
desire
is
for
that
area
and
bring
that
to
the
next
meeting.
I
think
we
could
hopefully
bring
all
of
our
you
know.
Ideas
like
ann
brought
hers
tonight,
and
then
we
have
a
compromise.
B
E
B
B
But
we
want
to
think
five
years
ahead
because
again
we
have
a
time
box
of
10
years
and
even
though
the
census
says
x,
we
want
to
be
equitable,
and
if
we
want
to
also
meet
the
mission
of
equitability,
we
should
be
considering
these
other
factors
and
that
may
or
may
not
buck
things.
And
that
may
help
us
kind
of
provide
more
clarity
and
guiding
principles,
because
I
think
a
lot
of
the
stuff
that
we
are
concerned
with
as
we're
talking
through
this
can
be.
Sometimes.
B
B
B
G
G
I,
like
marty's
idea
of
coming
together
with
different
recommendations,
sort
of
based
on
how
ann
did
it
this
time
around?
My
only
concern-
or
I
I
would
say
maybe
something
we
have
to
hash
out-
is
how
do
we
resolve
disputes?
If
I
say
no,
this
is
bad,
and
another
commissioner
says
yes,
this
is
good.
How
do
we
figure
that
out
and
I
think
if
we
can
come
to
a
rule
set
on
that
a
majority
you
know
counselor
as
a
veto.
Something
like
that.
I
think
that
could
work
very
well.
B
My
concern
with
that
is
that
we
don't
have
any
other
further
grounding
principles
besides
2020
census
and
23
371
or
whatever
it
is
in
each
district,
and
I
think
that
there
are
other
principles
in
play
that
if
we
want
to
say
that
there's
equitability
across
the
city
that
we
want
to
take
into
consideration,
which
also
cascades
other
considerations
such
as
growth,
such
as
in
five
years.
What
is
the
the
voting
population
going
to
be
when
kids
get
into
voting
age?
Things
of
that
nature
and
those
are
things
that
are
more
intangible.
B
That
would
help
really
guide
us
and
saying
these
things
are:
are
disputable
versus
not
disputable,
because
when
we
talk
about
this
like
dispute
or
conflict
resolution
within
this
one
of
the
things
that
I've
been
seeing
a
lot
of
the
commissioners
is
like.
I
know
this
territory
very
well.
I
can't
speak
to
these
others
and
it's
very
hard
to
resolve
conflicts
within
that.
If
we
don't
have
other
prior
principles
that
we're
going
to
be
working
towards,
is
my
my
thought
process
so
far,
but.
A
B
A
I
don't
think
anybody
they're
saying
it
must
resolutely
we're
saying
this
is
our
best
at
this
point.
This
is
our
best
understanding
of
how
it
could
work
now,
let's
fit
those
pieces
together
and
see
how
they
fit,
and
these
are
the
reasons
that
they
would
or
would
not
and
consider
those
additional
aspects
of
why
they
would
or
would
not
fit
together.
A
B
B
E
If
we
wanted
to
talk
about
principles,
we
need
to
have
a
meeting
that
focuses
on
that,
because
that's
like
a
big
conversation,
I'm
not
opposed
to
mallory's
suggestion.
I
mean,
I
think
I
don't
think
it's
going
to
be
as
black
and
white.
Maybe
eric
is
your
your
thinking
because,
like
I
can't
imagine
doing
district
2
without
making
changes
all
over
the
city
and
I
think
there's
some
districts
that
really
may
not
need
that
much
to
change.
E
And
then
I
think
if
we
disagree
on
something
like
that's,
what
we're
all
here
for
right
is
like
those
of
us
who
do
know
district
or
speak
to
it
and
say,
like
I
feel
strong
enough,
I
could
speak
to
every
district
because
I
feel
comfortable
enough,
and
I
have
enough
opinions
that
I
can
like
share
that
information.
So
I
trust
that
we
will
come
together
in
a
democratic
process
and
we
will
all
like
have
to
vote
and
we'll
have
to
push
and
pull
and
compromise.
E
F
Barty,
so
to
recap:
kind
of
what
I'm
hearing.
I
am
hearing
more
meetings
and
not
an
email
chain
based
on
both.
You
know
the
public
record
and
then
also
what
the
impact
on
city
workers
right
of
the
city
staff.
Sorry,
but
then
also
so
that
would
mean
that
we
have
those
two
other
thursdays
that
we
skipped
that
we
would
want
to
add.
I'm
also
hearing
the
need
to
consider
another
day,
and
I
believe
it
was
you
or
someone
else
who
said.
Maybe
we
discuss
on
tuesdays,
get
into
the
weeds
and
then
on
thursdays.
F
It's
more
like
you
know
the
larger
discussion,
so
you
know,
maybe
we
we
do
to
pull
thursdays.
Do
we
do
to
pull
what
tuesdays
we
add
between
now
and
then
to
maybe
do
do
some
of
that
and
oh
and
regarding
the
field
trip,
I
also
heard
that
we
need
to
do
it
with
enough
time
for
people
to
go.
So
if
it
does
happen,
it
can't
be
this
weekend.
E
F
C
E
C
E
E
C
F
E
C
C
So,
as
staff
we've
got
a
hole
to
get
to
you
and
we
will
update
the
two
commissioners
that
were
not
able
to
join
us
tonight
and
then
we'll
also
email,
you
all
with
each
other's
emails.
If
you
do
want
to
go
ahead
and
have
field
trips,
you're
certainly
welcome
to
do
that,
but
keep
it
at
four
people
or
less.
A
C
The
the
last
thing
I
would
say
is
just
a
reminder
that
there
is
no
perfect
map.
There
is
no
such
thing
and
I
think
it's
a
bit
of
a
safety
valve
for
the
commission
to
remember
you
can
recommend
multiple
maps.
You
don't
necessarily
have
to
come
together
and
say
this
is
the
map
that
we
all
want
if
it's,
this
map
is
better
on
these
principles
and
these
two
other
maps
are
better
on
a
different
principle.
That's
great
giving
the
council
a
few
options
is
still
success.