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D
B
And
just
for
the
record,
Mr
Grossman
is
in
the
audience,
welcome
Tim.
A
All
right,
so
we
have
it's
that
time
again
to
elect
chair
and
vice
chair.
So
are
there
any
nominations
for
a
chair.
C
A
E
Try
I
wouldn't
mind
doing
advice.
I
would,
for
you
be
the
nominee
I.
F
G
A
A
B
Or
Jackie
Miss
Turner,
Mr
robotsky.
D
C
D
A
All
right,
so,
if
we
can
move
forward
with
our
business
of
the
of
the
evening,
if
we
could
have
our
attorney
here,
welcome
very
happy
to
have
you
to
explain
the
quasi-judicial
procedures
and
read
those
announcements
and
swear
in
any
speakers
who
may
present
this
evening.
So.
G
For
those
of
you
that
haven't
met
me,
my
name
is
Regina
Kardash
and
if
you
look,
I
gave
everybody
one
of
these,
so
rather
than
going
through
what
your
normal
quasi-judicial
announcement
would
be.
I
want
to
go
over
the
rules
in
this
fashion,
most
particularly
because
this
is
the
first
time
I
have
been
advising
many
of
you
I
see
some
new
faces
on
this
board
from
the
last
time.
G
I
was
here
almost
a
decade
ago,
so
I
just
wanted
to
take
the
time
to
make
sure
we're
all
on
the
same
page
and
have
an
understanding
of
what
it
is
that
we're
Bound
by
when
we're
here.
So
normally.
This
is
like
an
hour-long
presentation,
I'm
distilling
it
down
into
about
10
minutes
or
less
for
you
just
so
you
understand
that.
But
if
you
have
questions
about
what
I
present
here,
my
contact
information
is
in
the
very
back
both
my
email
address
and
my
phone
number
at
the
offices
back
there.
G
So
if
you
have
any
questions
about
what
I
present
here
or
need
some
additional
explanation
or
understanding,
please
you
can
go
ahead
and
reach
out
to
me.
Okay,
so
the
whole
purpose
of
having
the
quasi-judicial
rules
is
number
one
to
make
sure
that
you
followed
due
process
right
so
that
due
process
is
afforded
to
the
applicant
when
they
bring
forward
their
applications
to
the
city,
and
it's
also
to
ensure
the
orderly
and
civil
conduct,
a
government
business.
G
So
that's
part
of
the
reason
why
we
have
those
rules
in
place
now
I'm
moving
on
to
the
next
page
here
about
what
it
actually
means
to
have
a
quasi-judicial
proceeding.
So
the
court
definition
that
we
get
out
of
case
law
is
that
first
one
that's
up
there
and
essentially
what
it
means
is
that
you
sit
as
the
Trier
of
fact.
G
So
when
you
sit
in
this
role,
you
are
being
both
the
judge
and
the
jury,
because
you're
taking
in
the
facts
and
evidence
and
making
a
decision
as
to
how
the
facts
and
evidence
fit
into
the
previously
established
criteria.
That's
laid
out
for
you
in
the
code
of
ordinances
and
you
actually
have
it
a
little
bit
easier
than
some
boards,
because
your
criteria
never
changes.
It's
always
the
same
set
of
criteria
that
you
are
using
and
you're
applying
to
the
applications
as
they
come
before
you.
D
B
Just
write
a
little
context:
there's
a
couple
particular
items
that
have
their
onset
of
criteria,
one
being
non-conforming
lots
of
record
has
a
specific
set.
Yes
and
then.
G
For
the
most
part,
changes
yeah,
so
for
the
most
part,
your
typical
variance
criteria
is
that
same.
You
see
it
in
every
Community,
it's
pretty
standard
and
it's
laid
out,
but
if
you
have
some
special
criteria
that
apply
to
particular
circumstances,
those
would
would
be
different,
but
most
most
of
your
variance
criteria
is
going
to
be
the
same.
Every
time
you
see
it
right
all
right,
so
we
can
go
on
to
the
next
page.
G
Also,
it's
important
that
you
are
applying
these
objectively
and
part
of
the
rules
that
set
out
you
know
when
we
talk
about
having
you
know,
conflicts
of
interest
and
things
like
that.
The
whole
reason
that
they
establish
legal
conflicts
of
interest
in
the
law
is
because
it
removes
your
objectivity
from
the
decision-making
process.
So
that's
why
we
declare
conflicts.
That's
why?
G
If
you
have
a
conflict,
you
can't
vote
on
a
particular
matter
and
also
too
you're,
making
sure
that
everybody
has
the
opportunity
to
be
heard
that
there's
the
opportunity
to
cross-examine
Witnesses
on
both
sides,
both
the
city
and
the
applicant,
and
that
you're
giving
ample
opportunity
for
them
to
do
that
within
your
rules
of
procedure
and
in
how
you
actually
operate
so
down
here.
I
have
the
the
three
items
that
the
court
will
look
at.
So
when
there's
an
appeal
from
your
decisions-
and
it
goes
before
the
Circuit
Court.
G
G
G
That
is
actually
something
that
has
to
be
done
in
all
quasi-judicial
proceedings.
That's
why
we
swear
everybody
in
before.
We
take
any
testimony
and
evidence,
because
it's
important
for
you,
as
the
Trier
effect
in
this
particular
circumstance,
to
know
that
the
people
who
are
are
appearing
before
you
are
telling
the
truth
right.
So
it's
it's
imperative
that
you
get
their
testimony
and
that
their
testimony
is
under
oath.
G
You
also
have
to
give
the
opportunity
to
rebut
evidence
so
that
opportunity
is
not
just
given
to
the
applicant.
It's
also
given
to
the
city,
so
both
the
applicant
and
the
city
have
the
opportunity
to
present
rebuttal
Witnesses
and
testimony
within
the
context
of
your
quasi-judicial
hearing.
You
do
not
have
to
to
adhere
to
these
strict
rules
of
evidence
right.
So
so
you
don't
have
to
have
objections.
You
can
have
hearsay
testimony.
That's
usually
the
one
that
comes
up
the
most
is
hearsay
testimony,
but
hearsay.
G
Testimony
shouldn't
be
the
only
thing
that
you're
relying
on
when
you're
making
your
decision.
So
if
the
only
thing
that
you're
basing
your
decision
on
is
hearsay
testimony,
it
does
weaken
what
would
be
considered.
The
competent
substantial
evidence
standard
that
we
talk
about
when
evidence
is
presented
in
these
types
of
hearings.
G
So
now
I'm
going
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
ex
parte
Communications.
So
what
an
ex
parte
communication
is
is
any
time
somebody
gives
you
information
or
tries
to
talk
to
you
about
a
matter.
That's
going
to
come
before
you
most
of
your
citizens
and
the
people
who
are
here
don't
necessarily
understand.
They'll
know
that
you're
on
the
board
of
adjustment
and
they'll
try
and
approach
you
about
a
hearing
or
a
matter
that
might
be
pending
before
you,
and
sometimes
it's
a
it's.
G
So
you
as
the
Trier
effect,
are
supposed
to
base
your
entire
decision
on
the
evidence
and
testimony
that's
presented
to
you
within
the
context
of
the
quasi-judicial
hearing.
So
if
you
receive
ex
parte
Communications
or
you
go
to
visit
a
site,
perhaps
it's
okay,
that
you
go
visit
that
site
right.
But
you
have
to
disclose
on
the
record
that
you
visited
that
site,
but
you
are
still
going
to
make
your
decisions
based
on
the
evidence,
that's
being
presented
to
you
here.
G
G
It
creates
a
rebuttable
presumption
that
the
decision
is
a
void
decision
right,
because
you
had
somebody
that
didn't
disclose
a
communication
that
could
have
been
cured
by
disclosing
it
on
the
record
because
disclosing
it
on
the
record
puts
everybody
back
on
the
on
an
even
playing
field
so
that
we
know
we're
all
playing
by
the
same
set
of
rules.
We
know
we're
all
receiving
the
same
information
and
basing
our
decisions
and
basing
the
the
back
and
forth
so
to
speak.
That
happens
within
the
hearing
on
the
same
set
of
information
and
so
down
here.
G
I
also
have
something
important
to
note.
Is
that
if
you
take
a
position
publicly
on
a
matter
that
you
know
is
coming
before
you
that
actually
shows
that
you're
not
basing
your
decision
on
what's
being
presented
in
the
hearing,
so
it's
you
should
never
be
publicly
stating
oh
well.
I
know
that
this
isn't
going
to
be
a
good
application
or
I
know.
This
is
going
to
be
a
good
application.
It
has
to
be
based
on
the
testimony
and
evidence,
that's
presented
to
you,
so
that
gives
you
you
know.
G
The
other
important
thing
to
note
is
that
you
are
always
applying
the
law
as
it
exists
today,
so
you
can't
apply
law
as
you
want
it
to
be.
You
can't
apply
what
you
think
should
be
the
law.
You
have
to
apply
the
law,
the
ordinance
that
is
that
is
currently
in
effect
to
the
application
and
not
any
changes
that
you
would
like
to
see
in
the
law.
G
So
only
the
law
as
it
exists
today,
and
the
other
thing
that's
important
to
remember
is
that,
ultimately,
it
is
the
applicant
that
bears
the
burden
of
proof
to
prove
that
what
they
are
presenting
does
meet
the
criteria
that's
laid
out
in
the
code
of
ordinances,
okay,
I'm
moving
on
to
the
next
page.
So
here's
where
I
talk
about
the
what
constitutes
competent,
substantial
evidence,
and
those
are
the
findings
of
fact
that
you
make
based
on
what's
presented
here
any
expert,
testimony
and
citizen
testimony.
G
So
there
is
a
big
difference
between
expert
testimony
and
citizen
testimony
and
that
that
difference
goes
to
the
weight
and
credibility
of
the
evidence
so
expert
testimony.
Your
experts
are:
are
people
who
have
specialized
training,
specialized
knowledge,
education,
experience
and
skill
within
that
particular
field.
So
your
planning
department
are
considered
experts,
Engineers
Architects.
Those
are
the
types
of
individuals
whose
testimony
is
given
expert
witness
status
and
typically,
when
you
have
somebody
who's
presenting
as
as
an
expert
you
ask
them,
you
know
what
is
your
training
and
experience?
G
G
That's
pending
before
you
and
as
I
said
that
usually
goes
to
weight
and
credibility,
and
so
on
that
slide
below
it,
where
I
have
the
difference
between
unacceptable
and
acceptable
citizen
testimony
that
is
specifically
to
the
weight
and
credibility
that
you're
giving
a
particular
Citizen's
testimony,
and
you
know
people
will
come
up
and,
and
they
will
say
all
kinds
of
things,
I'm
sure
you've
heard
that
you
know
if
you
served
on
any
kind
of
public
board.
G
You
know
anybody
can
come
up
to
that
Podium
and
and
say
certain
things,
but
when
you're
listening
and
you
can
listen
to
whatever
it
is,
they
have
to
say,
but
you
know
a
citizen
who
maybe
doesn't
have
expert
expertise
in
a
particular
area.
They're
just
giving
an
opinion,
an
opinion
isn't
factual
evidence.
It
is
just
that
it
is
an
opinion
and
you
can't
base
your
decision
on
opinions.
You
have
to
base
your
decisions
on
credible
testimony
fact
testimony
testimony
regarding
the
actual
condition
of
a
property,
not
just
well.
G
We
don't
like
this
or
we
would
like
it
better.
If
it's
you
know,
I
see
traffic
issues
every
day,
I
drive
this
road
and
I
see
XYZ
happens
on
this
road
every
day.
That's
factual
testimony.
You
know,
I,
think
that
this
is
going
to
devalue
the
property
in
our
neighborhood.
That's
opinion,
testimony
right,
so
there's
a
difference
between
those
two
different
types
of
testimony
and
the
weight
and
credibility
you
should
give
it
in
your
decision
making
process.
G
G
That's
the
second
tier
review
of
of
your
decisions
and
I
like
to
point
this
out,
because
still
even
at
second
tier
review,
they
are
still
evaluating
whether
or
not
you
followed
procedural
and
substantive
due
process
in
your
decision
making
and
I
like
to
point
that
out
to
just
highlight
how
important
that
is,
and
then
also
to
whether
or
not
at
either
the
circuit
court
level
or
at
your
level
there
was
a
departure
from
the
essential
requirements,
essential
requirements
of
law
so
I
also
have.
This
is
just
a
very
general
hearing
procedure.
G
You
have
a
little
bit
more
detail
in
what
you
have
laid
out
in
your
rules
of
procedure.
So
I
don't
know
when
the
last
time
you
as
a
board
looked
at
this
I
do
see
that
it
says
2022.
So
it
can't
be
that
long
that
you
reviewed
and
revised
these,
but
you
do
have
a
little
bit
more
detail
in
your
order
of
hearings
that
is
laid
out.
G
G
It's
important
to
include
the
rebuttal,
because
the
rebuttal
that
can
come
both
from
the
applicant
and
from
the
city
still
constitutes
evidence
that
you're
receiving
for
your
deliberation,
and
that's
why
you
don't
close
the
public
hearing
until
after
you
get
that
rebuttal,
testimony
from
both
the
applicant
and
from
the
city
and
then
I
have
some
notes
in
the
back
on
the
legislative
hearing
process,
but
because
you're,
primarily
a
quasi-judicial
board
I'm
not
going
to
go
into
depth
into
what
those
are.
G
So
that's
your
general
over
overview
that
we
are
doing
here
today
and
what
I
will
ask
when
we
get
to
the
this
particular
application,
because
you
only
have
one
I
don't
know.
If
anybody
here
tonight
is
declaring
any
voting
conflicts.
Do
we
have
that
here
tonight
on
this
application,
all
right
nobody's
indicated
any
and
do
we
have
any
ex
parte
disclosures
for
this
particular
application.
All
right,
everybody
on
the
board
has
indicated.
No,
so
I
would
ask
anybody,
that's
going
to
present
tonight
or
give
testimony
and
evidence
to.
F
G
A
All
right,
Miss
Kardash,
thank
you
so
much.
We
really
appreciated
this.
This
was
a
very
informative
review
of
the
process.
I
think
sometimes
particularly
several
of
us
on
the
board
have
been
here
for
quite
some
time,
so
we
take
for
granted
getting
in
the
routine
and
the
rhythm
of
what
we
do
so
the
clarification
of
the
purpose
and
the
law
behind
what
we
do
is
most
appreciative
and
I
I,
like
your
outline
of
slide
seven
or
slide
14
on
page
seven,
reminding
us
of
the
procedure.
A
So
thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you.
So
with
that
wonderful
knowledge
we
now
have
if
we
can
have
I'm
going
to
call
up
where
we
have
application
number
22-127,
which
is
a
variance
to
allow
a
new
driveway
accessing
the
street
located
at
439,
East,
Lemon,
Street
and
Ally
I
believe
she's,
going
to
make
the
presentation
this
evening
for
the
city
staff.
B
Okay.
The
subject
property
is
located
on
the
north
side
of
East
Lemon
Street.
It's
outlined
here
in
red
on
your
screen.
This
property,
as
well
as
all
the
immediately
surrounding
properties,
are
located
within
the
city's
special
area
plan,
which
means
that
they
are
regulated
by
our
smart
code.
This
particular
property,
as
well
as
the
adjacent
properties
to
the
east
west
and
south,
are
located
in
the
t4b
transect
zone.
That's
a
residential
industrial
office
Zone
the
properties
to
the
north
of
the
site
are
in
the
t4a
transect
zone,
which
is
a
residential
retail
office.
Transit
Zone.
B
The
applicants
are
currently
in
the
process
of
renovating
a
historic
structure
on
the
property.
They
are
here
tonight,
requesting
variance
approval
to
allow
them
to
construct
a
new
driveway
that
will
access
East,
Lemon
Street
when
they
have
a
rear
alley
providing
access.
They
did
go
before
the
Heritage
preservation
board
back
in
June
of
last
year
for
the
exterior
modifications
that
they're
making
to
the
property,
as
well
as
approval
of
a
new
driveway.
The
board
did
approve
that
request.
B
This
is
a
look
at
the
proposed
site
plan.
This
is
the
location
of
the
existing
structure
on
site.
The
blue
is
outlining,
where
the
proposing
to
have
the
the
driveway
not
garage
accessing
Lemon
Street.
Here
the
smart
code
specifically
states
that
parking
shall
be
accessed
by
a
rear,
Alleyway
or
rear
Lane
when
such
are
available.
The
true
intention
behind
this
is
to
help
promote
walkable
environments.
It
also
helps
to
maintain
the
spatial
and
contextual
Integrity
of
a
neighborhood
for
this
particular
site.
B
There
is
an
existing
Alleyway
along
the
north
of
the
property,
the
it's
plotted
to
be
17
feet
in
width.
It
is
currently
constructed
of
gravel
or
shell.
It
is
accessible.
However,
it
is
acknowledged
that
there
are
some
potholes
and
dips
that
could
be
improved
or
filled
to
help
improve
the
overall
condition
of
the
alleyway,
but
it
is
currently
utilized
by
other
residential
industrial,
commercial
properties
in
this
area.
B
As
most
of
you
are
probably
aware,
back
in
2009
2010
East
Lemon
Street
was
improved
at
that
time.
Any
property
that
had
or
was
adjacent
to
East
Lemon
Street
that
had
an
existing
curb
cut.
Those
were
retained.
Any
property
that
did
not
have
an
existing
curb
cut
was
intentionally
not
added
or
provided
to
have
a
new
curb
cut
in
the
future,
and
they
intended
to
have
access
for
vehicles
from
the
adjacent
Alleyways.
B
With
those
improvements
they
added
on-street
parking,
as
well
as
landscaping
and
islands
and
medians
along
the
street
front.
Something
important
to
note
is
that
if
a
driveway
is
approved
at
this
location,
it
would
eliminate
approximately
one
to
two
on-street
public
parking
spaces
in
front
of
the
subject
site.
B
B
This
is
standing
at
the
back
of
the
property
in
the
alleyway.
This
is
looking
East
towards
north
Levis,
I
guess
South
Levis,
and
this
is
looking
at
the
same
location
looking
to
the
West
along
that
alleyway.
G
Thank
you
if
I
can
just
ask
to
are
your
credentials
on
file
with
the
city?
Yes,
and
are
you
tendering
the
city's
file
for
the
board's
consideration
as
evidence
in
this
matter?
Yes,
okay.
Thank
you.
D
D
B
No,
not
necessarily
it
kind
of
really
goes
back
to
the
overall
intent
of
this
provision
in
the
smart
code.
The
smart
code
really
is
trying
to
you
know,
enhance
the
overall
experience
between
public
and
private
spaces.
Driveways
curb
Cuts
can
interrupt
that
when
there
are
existing,
Alleyways
or
rear
access
to
a
property.
That's
why
the
code
basically
says
that's
where
you
gain
access,
so
in
this
particular
situation,
we
do
believe
that
the
alleyway
provides
access
to
the
property
as
it's
intended
to,
which
is
why
we're
not
in
support
of
the
variants
right.
D
B
That
in
any
way,
so
as
I
mentioned
here-
yes,
there
are
several
properties
in
the
surrounding
area
that
have
existing
driveways
when
the
street
was
improved
back
in
2010.
It
was
a
very
conscious
decision
that
if
there
was
an
existing
curb
cut
on
the
property
fronting
lemon,
they
got
to
keep
it.
If
there
was
not
an
existing
curb
cut,
it
was
not
added
or
intended
to
be
added,
because
there
were
Alleyways
in
this
location
and.
B
E
Rich
Ali,
you
mentioned
about
the
back
Alleyway
having
some
potholes
and
some
things
that
may
not
be.
You
know
completely
ideal
at
the
current
condition.
The
Alleyways
are
city
property.
My
understanding
that
correct,
correct
and
so
the
city
is
ultimately
responsible
for
maintaining
those
Alleyways,
correct
and
and
who
would
if,
if
it's
in
disrepair
who
who
then
you
know,
moves
that
up
to
improve
so.
B
That's
the
streets
and
Alleyways
and
those
public
spaces
are
typically
maintained
by
our
public
works
department.
There
are
times
that,
yes,
when
we
have
situations
that
are
similar
to
these
or
elsewhere,
where
they
can
go
and
do
some
maintenance
to
the
to
the
alleyway
to
improve
it.
Yes,
but
this
public
works
is
the
department,
so.
B
Think
it
can
vary,
it
can
be
brought
up
by
a
citizen.
It
can
be
brought
up
by
City
staff
if
they're
out
there
working,
it
could
be
in
our
Capital
Improvements
program
if
there
are
streets
or
other
public
spaces
that
need
improvements,
so
there's
different
mechanisms
to
put
it
into
place.
The
city
doesn't
have
a
lot
of
Alleyways
that
are
actually
improved
and
accessible
for
vehicles.
This
is
kind
of
a
rare
situation
that
we
do
have
one.
So
you
know
even
moving
forward.
B
B
D
A
A
couple
questions
the
smart
area
plan
speak.
Excuse
me,
the
special
area
zone
that
that
this
is
in,
when
was
that
established,
is.
A
A
We'll
defer
that
one
to
the
applicant,
sometimes
the
Property
Appraiser
information,
is
in
in
the
backup
you
had
referenced
in
your
presentation
that
their
the
applicant
had
seek
the
approval
of
the
Heritage
preservation
board
for
the
proposed
driveway,
of
course,
with
the
caveat
that
they
would
have
to
have
the
approval
from
Board
of
adjustments
for
the
variance
for
the
the
cut,
which
is
why
we're
here
tonight
do
we
know
if,
if
we,
if
the
applicant
was
not
able
to
have
the
cut-
and
they
needed
to
have
this
driveway,
extended
or
or
even
constructed,
to
connect
to
the
back
alley
has
is
that
part
of
the
existing
Heritage
preservation
board
approval?
A
B
A
But
I
notably
missed
like
as
Mr
robowski
said,
there
is
some
type
of
existing
pathway
from
the
alley
to
the
home
itself,
I
believe
so,
but
I'll
definitely,
and
can
you
maybe
elaborate
or
clarify
on
what
that
intent
of
the
provision
in
the
smart
code
is
when
it
came
to
not
bringing
in
any
additional
curb
Cuts
in
this
Zone
area?
What
what
that
you
know?
You
said
it
wasn't,
it
was
the
intention
of
the
provision
for
the
walkability
is.
Can
you
elaborate
on
that?
Well,.
B
So,
just
in
general,
a
walkable
environment
from
you
know
a
planning
perspective,
or
you
know,
code
perspective
you
know,
is
looking
for
comfort
of
a
pedestrian.
When
you
have
a
street
front
in
certain
contexts,
some
contexts.
Yes,
it
makes
sense
to
have
driveways
accessing
the
front
of
the
street,
but
in
certain
contexts
it's
more
comfortable
for
a
pedestrian
to
walk
without
having
to
cross
several
cuts
and
vehicles.
You
know
the
conflicts
between
pedestrian
Vehicles
so
to
have
a
more
walkable,
downtown
type
of
environment.
B
You
tend
to
push
your
buildings
closer
to
the
street,
so
they
address
the
street
more.
You
tend
to
have
parking
in
the
rear,
with
access
and
vehicles
in
the
rear
to
try
and
eliminate
those
potential
conflicts
between
the
two.
So
it's
something
to
help
enhance
the
walkability
Comfort.
Also
the
Aesthetics
of
the
surrounding
area.
Okay,.
A
Those
were
my
questions
for
now.
Does
anyone
else
have
any
more
questions
for.
D
F
We
go,
I
have
taken
the
oath,
Alexa
price
and
my
address
is
3051.
Autumn
Drive
in
Palm,
Harbor
and
I
am
also
still
here.
F
That's
kind
of
funny
I've
been
in
Tarpon
Springs,
my
entire
life,
so
we
love
Tarpon
Springs
graduated
from
Tarpon
high
in
92..
We
bought
this
property
because
I
have
a
business
in
downtown.
Well,
not
downtown
the
Sponge
Docks
onto
deccanese,
that's
where
I
have
a
mortgage
company
and
we
have
some
parking
issues
there.
So
we're
very
happy
that
we
have
two
spaces.
When
we
looked
at
this
property,
one
of
the
things
I
really
liked
about
it
was
the
location
and
the
Agents
that
I
was
working
with
kind
of
back
to
your
point.
F
Local
Tarpon
Springs
guys,
basically
thought
there'd
be
no
issue
in
getting
parking
because
parking
was
very
or
a
driveway,
because
driveways
are
very
common
for
our
area
in
this
little
sector
that
we're
in
so
you'll
see.
This
is
the
front
of
our
house.
It's
the
black
roof.
The
black
truck
is
in
the
one
spot
that
we
have
there's
actually
currently
only
one
space
in
front
of
the
property,
because
the
curb
decorative
curb
took
up
the
other
space
so
as
you'll
see
to
the
left
of
the
black
truck.
F
F
This
is
the
driveway
that
she
was
talking
about
when
we
did
go
in
front
of
the
board
as
far
as
what
do
they
call
it,
the
historical,
the
Heritage
they
actually
wanted
us
to
create
parking
on
the
side
of
the
building,
because
they
thought
that
it
gave
it
a
better
appeal
from
the
front
to
have
less
cars
out
front
and
to
have
the
cars
parked
along
the
side
of
the
property,
so
they
were
hidden
so
that
the
actual
front
of
the
property
would
look
more
well
kept
and
that
there
wasn't
part
cars
parked
out
front.
F
F
F
F
F
F
We're
right
in
the
middle
okay,
so
this
is
kind
of
the
different
area
that
we're
in
it's
really
not
a
walkable
area,
it's
kind
of
heavily
commercial.
At
this
point
we
do
see
people
walking
around
really
not
people
too
much
that
are
going
into
the
downtown
area,
primarily
that
are
coming
to
these
businesses.
F
This
is
the
alleyway
that
we
were
discussing
a
few
things
about
the
alleyway.
It's
not
been
kept
up
great.
You
can
get
trucks
back
there,
but
the
trees
kind
of
Hit,
the
top
of
your
vehicle
when
you're
driving
the
trucks
through
which
we
do
Drive
the
trucks
back
there.
We
don't
love
the
idea,
but
it
we
can
make
it
work
with
vehicles
or
trucks
with
high
clearances,
any
long
clearance,
car
you're
hitting
potholes
and
manholes,
as
you
drive
through
also
you're,
going
to
notice
that
there's
not
a
lot
of
lights
in
this
Alleyway.
F
F
So
that's
kind
of
where
we're
at
with
that,
ideally
for
us
we're
just
looking
at
driveway
for
parking
Vehicles,
it's
very
difficult
when
you
have
a
client
come
to
your
office
and
there's
zero
parking
they'll
get
a
little
frustrated,
they
kind
of
want
to
at
least
have
a
spot
to
park.
F
The
second
thing
is:
if
we
come
into
our
property
and
any
kind
of
an
event
time
frame,
there
is
zero
parking,
so
there
is
no
way
to
park
a
vehicle
anywhere
near
your
your
place
of
business
for
any
of
the
events,
and
we
do
love
coming
into
Tarpon
Springs
and
going
to
the
events.
So,
like
I
said,
the
suggestion
was
to
put
in
a
driveway,
we
purchased
the
property
and
everyone
thought
their
drive
would
be
no
real
issue
based
on
the
area
already
having
so
many
driveways
and
do
you
have
any
questions,
I.
D
F
We
could
have
I
mean
to
be
honest,
done
more
due
diligence
when
we
first
purchased
it.
It's
just
it's
one
of
those
things
where
you're
sitting
with
the
Realtors
and
we're
looking
around
and
everyone's
like,
oh
yeah,
you
can
kind
of
put
a
driveway
in
it's
not
going
to
be
a
problem.
You'll
get
you'll,
get
the
done.
A
problem.
D
I,
just
for
the
life
of
me
can't
see
why
you
wouldn't
be
granted
a
driveway
I
mean
if
I
look
at
the
review
standards,
the
need
for
the
requested
variance,
Rises
out
of
physical
surrounding
shape,
topographical
conditions
and
other
physical
environmental
conditions
that
are
unique
to
the
specific
property
involved
and
which
do
not
apply
generally
to
properly
property
located.
In
the
same
you,
you
meet
that
standard.
The
conditions
or
special
circumstances
peculiar
to
the
property
have
not
been
self-created.
D
Well,
you
didn't
create
this
stupid
rule
and
it's
not
being
applied
to
hardly
anybody
in
this
city,
except
for
you,
literal
enforcement
of
the
requirements
of
the
the
comp
plan
would
have
the
effect
of
denying
the
applicant
reasonable
use
of
the
property.
Well
I.
Consider
you
having
a
driveways
reasonable
use.
It's
not
going
to
prevent
anybody
from
walking
through
the
town
There's
a
sidewalk
there
right,
yes,
and
so
the
sidewalk
will
just
like
it
does
in
my
house.
You
can
walk
across
the
the
driveway.
D
Granting
the
variants
will
not
confer
any
special
privilege,
of
course,
not
because
there's
driveways
everywhere
granting
variants
will
not
substantially
diminish
the
property
values.
Of
course,
not
so
all
I'm
saying
is
the
city
would
I
was
here
last
night
and
the
city
has
had
a
lot
of
issues
with
parking
spaces.
D
D
D
F
C
F
Oh
yeah
they're,
not
there
all
day,
they're
coming
and
going
so
we
have
some
work
trucks
that
use
that
do
park
in
the
back.
The
cars
are
like
for
the
secretary
that
doesn't
have
a
work
truck
so
more
than
likely
we'll
have
one
car
or
possibly
two
parked
on
the
side.
But
if
somebody
has
to
get
out
they're,
just
gonna
back
out
the
driveway
and
leave
you.
F
F
A
So
Miss
Richmond
or
Miss
Simon,
so
some
question
and
that's
where
I
believe
you
through
conversation
here
some
clarifications.
So
this
is
going
to
be
used
as
a
commercial
property.
Yes,
okay,
gotcha!
F
Yeah
so
like,
if
a
client
comes
in
what
we
do,
this
is
what
I
have
to
do
in
my
office
in
Tarpon
Springs
on
dodecanese
as
well,
one
of
the
staff
has
to
go,
find
parking
farther
down
and
we
put
a
cone
when
the
client
comes
in.
We
move
the
cone,
the
client
parks,
so
that's
kind
of
how
we
work
around
things
is
that
staff
gets
to
move
their
car
for
a
client
coming
in,
but
at
least
we
have
a
place
to
block
something.
A
A
F
It's
really
hard,
we
call
them
ahead
of
time.
We
basically
do
just
say:
hey
tricking,
Parky,
you
know
parking
can
be
tricky.
Let
us
know
when
you're
coming
in
when
you're
working
in
downtown
areas,
you
make
it
work,
but
at
least,
if
you
have
a
couple
parking
spots
that
you
know
are
not
going
to
be
used
by
somebody
that
you
can't
ask
them
to
move.
That's
the
hard
part
it's
when
when
you're
you
don't
know
who's
parked
in
front
of
your
building,
and
you
can't
get
them
to
move
and
trust
me
right
in
that
spot.
F
C
The
adjacent
property,
if
it
wasn't
commercial
and
it
was
residential,
then
it
would
have
been
a
different
problem,
but
since
it's
a
commercial
property
next
to
you,
so
whether
you
park
the
car
there
or
not,
I,
don't
think
the
city
should
have
any
objections
to
it.
A
A
All
right
seeing
none
hold
tight
because
we
we
may
come
back
with
some
more
questions
if
we
may
just
making
sure
you
know
Ms
Kardash
stopped
me
if
I'm
wrong
on
here.
We
it
looks
like
we
don't
have
anyone
in
the
audience
right,
so
there's
no
a
proponent
other
proponents
or
opponents
to
this
application.
A
Do
we
have
any
other
additional
questions
for
the
staff
on
this
before
we
go
to
our
deliberation.
Closing
our
public
comment
to
deliberate
Miss.
E
Rich
further
staff
I
do
not
for
the
property
owners.
Okay,
just
you
know
in
the
staff
in
the
city's
report.
During
your
report,
you
didn't
touch
on
the
review
standards,
but
there
were
four
out
of
the
five
that
you
said
this
applicant
in
your
opinion,
did
not
meet
and.
E
In
our
process
were
bound
if
even
one
of
them
is
not
met
to
not
approve
the
variance,
so
I
guess
I
need
to
hear
from
you
more
of
why
you
felt
those
particular
things.
Hadn't
been
met
because,
like
Mr
herbowski,
you
know
if
the
city
had
a
fabulous
Alleyway
back
there
well
lit.
You
know
curb
you
know
where
alleys
were
the
way
to
go,
but
when
you
show
me
that
the
city's
dilapidated
alley
no
lighting
to
me,
then
that
is
part
of
the
physical
surroundings.
It's
not
the
Tupac.
E
B
Sure
so
I
can
kind
of
summarize
our
findings
that
are
in
the
staff
report,
so
for
criteria,
one
which
is
the
essentially
for
physical
hardship
about
the
property
staff.
You
know
believes
that
there
is
access
provided
from
the
rear
Alleyway.
We
also
did
a
look
at
all
historical
aerial
photograph
that
was
available
to
us
that
went
back
data
back
to
1980.
This
property
has
never
had
a
curb
cut
as
far
back
as
1980.
We
did
not
believe
that,
there's
anything
peculiar
about
the
property
that
would
warrant
the
need
for
a
driveway
to
Lemon
Street.
B
That
would
not
necessarily
apply
Elsewhere
based
off
of
that
information
criteria.
Number
two,
the
conditions
or
special
circumstances
peculiar
to
the
property
have
not
been
self-created.
We
do
believe
that
the
this
is
a
self-created
issue,
just
the
desire
to
have
a
driveway.
They
do
have
access
for
vehicles
provided
from
the
back.
They
are
able
to
bring
Vehicles
east
to
west
along
the
rear
of
the
property,
as
well
as
access
the
back
of
the
property.
So
we
do
not
believe
that
it
was,
or
we
do
believe
it
was
self-created
number
three.
B
The
literal
enforcement
of
the
requirements
of
the
the
code
would
affect
denying
the
applicant
reasonable
use
of
the
property.
The
staff
believes
that
the
property
is
currently
accessed
from
the
alleyway
and
additional
parking
can
be
provided
and
accommodate
in
the
rear
of
the
property,
and
there
is
on-street
parking
that
is
available
on
Lemon
Street.
We
do
understand
that,
yes,
that
is
for
public
parking,
so
it
can
be
available
on.
B
You
know
certain
situations,
but
we
do
believe
that
they
could
accommodate
parking
in
the
back
of
the
property
as
opposed
to
a
curb
cut
from
Lemon
Street
criteria.
Four,
we
did
believe
that
they
they
met.
That
criteria,
which
is
it's
not
granting
any
sort
of
special
privilege
it's
not
allowed
by
their
lands.
We
acknowledge
there
are
several
other
properties
in
the
surrounding
area
that
have
driveways,
so
we
do
believe
that
criteria
is
met.
Criteria
number
four
will
not
substantially
diminish
property
values.
There
are
other
driveways
again
and
curb
pets
along
Lemon.
B
Street,
additional
driveway
would
not
substantially
diminish
the
property
values.
However,
limiting
the
number
of
driveways
and
parking
in
front
of
structures
does
maintain
that
walkable
environment,
which
is
the
true
intent
of
the
special
area,
planning
smart
code
that
was
adopted
in
2010.
So
that
is
a
brief
overview
of
our
findings.
A
Can
I
get
a
clarification
from
you
on
the
I'm
going
to
try
to
find
the
color
of
it
the
the
Zoning
for
this,
because
it
does
look
like
this
was
at
one
point.
A
single
family
home
that
has
now
been
is
now
part
of
this
mixed
use.
So
tell
me
what
what
the
is
it?
It's,
commercial?
There
is
commercial
in
there.
What
is
it.
B
So
so
the
transect
code,
which
a
lot
of
you
are
familiar
with,
It'll,
ask
for
a
range
of
uses,
so
we
don't
necessarily
have
specifically
residential
zoning
in
that
code.
This
particular
transect
zone
is
more
geared
towards
residential,
but
also
having
industrial,
Light
industrial
and
office
uses
in
that
same
area.
Lyman
Street
is
a
very
good
example
of
that
you
have
some
residences.
This
is
a
stork
area
these.
How
there's
been
buildings
here
for
years
that
were
previously
residential
and
they've
started
to
slowly
convert
to
some
office
uses
industrial
uses.
B
A
And
it
certainly
isn't
uncommon,
not
just
in
this
Zone,
but
you
know
I
I,
think
we've
all
seen
it
around
Tarpon
and
other
cities
where
people
take
a
beautiful
old
home
and
give
it
New
Life.
As
a
you
know,
as
a
as
a
business
be
it
you
know
an
office
Boutique
whatever
it
may
be
so
and
in
that
I
would
assume
that
this
is.
You
know,
as
your
business
you're
going
to
want
to
put
a
sign
up
there
name
of
my
company
mortgages
and
that's
would
be
that's.
F
A
line
yeah
so
mine
is
in
downtown
Tarpon.
This
is
actually
my
husband's
okay,
so
it's
price
for
in
construction,
yeah,
I'm,
sure
we'll,
probably
put
signage
out
there.
I
mean
there's
signage
everywhere,
the
electrician
across
the
street.
You
know,
you've
got
the
roofing
company,
you
have
plumbing
contractor.
You
have
the
big
industrial
building
that
Zoots
just
built,
so
it's
yeah
I,
think
there's
only
one
residential
person
or
an
extra
neighbor
on
the
street
and
they
own
the
the
funeral.
A
F
A
Yeah
right
so
that
that's
where,
if
this
variants
were
to
be
granted,
you
would
say
pull
on
in
the
driveway
and
if
it
weren't
then
it's
well.
If
no
one
is
where
that
black
truck
was
in
that
one
parking
space
you
have
you
can
park
there.
If
not,
you
have
to
go
into
the
alley
right
to
conduct
business
with
Mr
Price,
okay,.
A
A
All
right
so
seeing
that
do
we
have
emotion,
motion.
B
We
have
a
roll
call,
Mr
avrosky.
D
A
C
Were
reading
that
correctly,
I
have
a
question
for
the
staff
on
that.
Okay,
during
the
last
meeting,
although
I
was
absent,
the
paperwork
that
I
got.
We
did
not
have
anything
about
approving
any
minutes
of
the
previous
meeting.
What
happened
to
the
last
meeting
minutes
that
are
not
in
here
so.
B
C
B
B
Call
Mr
robotsky.
D
C
B
Evening
the
only
comment
I
have
is
to
welcome
our
new
Board
of
adjustment.
Member
Mr
Timothy
Grossman
he's
one
of
your
new
alternates
Miss
Simon,
congratulations,
you're,
a
permanent
member
or.
E
C
E
B
So
he'll
be
here
to
fill
in
when
there
are
seats
available,
we
are
still
looking
for
more
applicants,
so
get
the
word
out.
If
you
have
any
friends
or
people
that
might
be
interested
in
joining
the
board
to
put
an
application
and
contact
the
clerk's
office
for
that,
but
we're
very
happy
to
have
another
member
on
board
so
welcome.
Thank
you.
So
much.
A
Welcome
to
Tim
so
any
board
comments.
Yes,.
D
Sure
so,
actually
I
have
a
question
for
you
Ali
last
night
they
had
the
the
cohatch
project
in
front
of
the
Board
of
Commissioners,
and
we
deliberated
over
that
and
we
had
a
five
to
zero
vote
on
it
and
it
was
the
floor
area
ratio
issue.
D
B
Has
changed
that
particular
District
that
particular
property?
What
they
were
doing
did
not
require
the
addition
of
any
on-site
parking
staff
did
for
once.
I
went
to
planning
the
zoning
board.
Initially,
there
was
a
lot
of
questions
about
parking,
so
we
brought
it
back
to
the
Planning
and
Zoning
Board
and
tried
to
do
a
more
in-depth
analysis
of
the
surrounding
area
to
provide
more
information
and
context
for
the
board,
but
there
is
no
parking
requirement
for
that
particular
District.
B
B
E
Welcome
now,
I
have
a
question.
Are
you
done
Chris,
yes,
question
for
the
attorney
when
we
approve
minutes
just
since
we
have
a
new
attorney,
throw
this
out
like,
for
example,
Joanne
and
I
were
absent
on
the
minutes
that
we
just
voted
for
correct.
Is
it
better
practice
to
abstain
from
the
vote?
No.
G
G
So
when
you
do
that
and
you're
approving
minutes,
because
that
can
happen
too,
sometimes
you
get
almost
a
completely
new
board
that
has
to
approve
minutes
from
a
previous
board.
Essentially
what
you're
doing
is
you're
approving
them
as
the
official
record
of
the
city.
G
So
it's
okay
to
do
that
when,
when
you're,
not
necessarily
there
for
the
meeting,
what
we
look
for
is
any
corrections
that
anybody
who
was
there
may
have
had
to
the
minutes
that
you
can
point
out
for
that,
but
otherwise
it's
okay
to
vote
on
on
minutes
for
meetings
where
you
were
not
there
as
a
board
member
of
the
current
board.
Okay,.
A
Thank
you
great
I,
wanted
to,
of
course,
welcome
to
him
we're
so
excited
excited
to
have.
You
join
us
as
an
alternate
and
thank
you
Ali
for
playing
dual
roles.
Tonight
you
did
fabulously
thanks
and
to
have
Miss
kardash's,
very
wise
counsel,
and
the
presentation
tonight
that
was
very
very
helpful.
A
I
did
have
a
question,
and
this
might
be
something
for
Ali
to
bring
to
her
colleagues
back
here
in
City,
Hall
I
believe
it.
It
was
last
month
when
Mr
Price,
you
know
our
applicant
this
evening.
He
was
before
our
board
last
night
or
last
month.
You
know
peculiar
situation
when
we
only
had
three
of
us
and
we
didn't
have
an
attorney
present,
so
he
chose
to
defer
until
tonight
and
in
in
that
passing,
you
know,
Mr
Price
had
commented
saying.
A
Well,
you
know
he
went
through
Heritage
preservation
and
he
said
you
know
that
board
had
indicated.
Oh,
you
have
to
go
through
Board
of
adjustment,
but
it
shouldn't
be
a
problem.
It
was
almost
like
go
through
boa
no
problem.
Is
there
any
way
we
can
help
communicate
to
our
fellow
volunteer
board
members
I
I?
A
This
worked
in
Mr
Price's
favor
this
evening,
but
it
could
have
been
a
very
unfortunate
situation
say
if,
if
we
did
vote
no-
and
he
was
denied
this
and
he's
thinking
well,
one
City
Board
gave
me
an
approval
on
this
said:
shouldn't
be
a
problem
with
this
board,
our
Board
of
adjustment
and
they
sang
a
different
tune.
It's.
A
Puts
us
various
Sports
in
a
precarious
situation,
so
I
certainly
I,
know
myself
is
serving
on
this
board.
If
someone
were
to
say
okay
well,
next
I
need
to
talk
to
Heritage
about
you
know
the
paint
color.
What's
your
thoughts
I'm
like
no
thoughts,
not
not
my
area
of
expertise,
not
my
purview,
that
is
their
board.
They
have
their
criteria.
It's
not
my
position
to
say
that
so
I
don't
know
in
our
board
trainings.
If
there
is
a
way
that
we
can
address
that.
B
B
First,
with
this
particular
application
in
the
staff
report
and
during
that
review,
We
identified
to
the
board
letting
them
know
that
if
you
approve-
and
you
believe
that
the
driveway
dislocation
meets
the
historic
guidelines
be
aware
that
they
still
need
to
get
an
approval
from
a
different
board.
So
I
can't
necessarily
speak
to
their
responses
to
that
or
how
they
felt
that
this
decision
would
go.
As
you
know,
you
guys
are
all
individuals
in
different
boards.
B
You
have
different
opinions,
but
we
do
try
to
just
like
I
brought
up
that
they
went
to
the
Heritage
preservation
board.
Let
you
know
that
sometimes
there's
multiple
processes
that
someone
has
to
go
through
for
an
application,
but
we
do
try
to
have
them
stick
to
the
criteria
in
their
decisions.
But
this
particular
note
they
did
state
that
you
know
they
acknowledge
they
have
to
get
a
variance,
but
they
are
okay
with
having
a
driveway
there.
If
the
variance
is
approved.
E
B
Reviewed
it
for
different
reasons.
Of
course,
I
think
the
portrayal
maybe
have
came
off
a
little
differently
than.
A
Intended
and
I'm
you
know,
I'm
not
trying
to
pick
on.
You
know
Heritage
preservation.
You
know
that
they
have
a
very
completely
different
thing
that
they
look
at
with
us.
It's
just
like
you
said
it's
just
a
cautionary
tale.
This
was
you
know
it.
It
brought
it
to
light
to
me
where
I
know
we've
had
you
know
cases
come
before
us
to
where
it's
like.
Okay.
So
then
your
next
step
is
this
and
this
and
this
process-
and
we
try
to
be
abundantly
clear,
I-
know
I
have
as
chair
Mr
robowski
when
he
was
chair.
A
You
know
before
me
saying
we
are
just
here
approving
this
thing
right
here,
no
more,
no
less!
What
happens
beyond
that?
That's,
not
that's
beyond
this
scope,
so
just
as
a
fairness
to
the
applicants,
yeah
no.