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B
A
Okay,
thank
you
this
this
evening
we
do
have
a
few
people
absent
and
so
we're
so
glad
that
Mr
Grossman
is
doing
his
first
time
as
member,
and
so
we
welcome
him
now
we're
going
to
ask
our
attorney
to
explain
a
little
bit
about
the
quasi-judicial
procedures
and
read
the
quasi-judicial
announcement.
E
Okay,
thank
you.
The
matters
before
the
city
of
Tarpon,
Springs
Board
of
adjustment
are
quasi-judicial
in
nature
and
a
quasi-judicial
proceeding.
The
board's
function
is
to
make
findings
a
fact,
based
upon
the
evidence
presented
at
the
hearing
and
apply
those
findings
of
fact
to
previously
established
criteria
contained
in
the
city
of
Tarpon
Springs
code
of
ordinances.
This
is
a
legal
decision
regarding
the
application
before
the
board.
E
The
board
may
only
consider
evidence
that
the
law
considers
competent,
substantial
and
relevant
to
the
issues
arising
from
the
application
and
the
applicable
code
sections
any
and
all
persons
providing
testimony
at
this
hearing
are
required
to
do
so
under
oath.
All
persons
testifying
at
this
hearing
must
give
their
name
address
and
must
indicate
whether
or
not
they
have
been
sworn
for
the
record
prior
to
proceeding
with
their
testimony.
E
All
testimony
and
questioning
at
this
hearing
must
address
matters
that
are
relevant
material
to
the
issues
under
consideration,
based
on
the
criteria
established
in
the
city
of
Tarpon
Springs
code
of
ordinances.
If
any
board
member
has
disclosures
regarding
the
application,
please
make
your
disclosures
on
the
record
at
the
beginning
of
the
hearing.
E
That
would
include
ex
parte
disclosures
and
voting
conflicts
of
interest
if
there
is
not
a
full
board
present
at
the
beginning
of
the
hearing,
which
there
is
not
tonight,
the
applicant
May
request
a
continuation
to
the
next
regularly
scheduled
meeting
of
the
board
of
adjustment.
The
following
is
the
established
procedure,
which
will
be
followed
at
this
quasi-judicial
hearing.
First
staff
will
present
its
testimony
and
evidence
regarding
the
application.
Then
the
applicant
may
ask
any
questions
and
cross-examine
City
staff
and
City
Witnesses.
E
The
applicant
will
then
have
the
opportunity
to
present
its
Witnesses
and
evidence,
and
the
city
may
have
the
opportunity
to
cross-examine
the
applicant
and
any
of
the
applicants.
Witnesses
then,
members
of
the
public
opposing
or
supporting
the
application
will
be
given
the
opportunity
to
speak
for
four
minutes.
Apiece
the
applicant
and
the
City
May
then
present
any
rebuttal,
testimony
and
evidence
and
a
closing
statement.
For
summary,
then
the
board
will
close
the
public
hearing
for
discussion
and
consideration
of
the
application
at
this
time.
Anybody
who's
going
to
be
speaking.
Please
stand
to
receive
the
oath.
E
Are
you
the
applicant?
Yes,
if
you're
gonna,
if
you're
going
to
be
speaking,
you
guys
stand
up.
Please
raise
your
right
hand.
Do
you
swear
to
tell
the
truth
on
the
matters
before
the
city
of
Tarpon
Springs
Board
of
adjustment
this
evening,
I
do
all
right!
Thank
you
make
sure
when
you
go
up,
you
indicate
that
you
were
sworn
for
the
record.
A
B
Okay
and
Ali
Keane
the
senior
planner
with
planning
and
zoning
department.
Again,
the
applic
are
the
subject
properties
located
on
the
north
side
of
East
Boyer
street.
It's
outlined
here
in
red
on
the
screen.
This
property,
as
well
as
all
surrounding
property
in
the
immediate
neighborhood,
is
located
within
the
r70a
single-family
residential
zoning
District.
B
The
Land
Development
code
states
that
at
if,
at
any
time,
the
owner
of
a
non-conforming
lot
of
record
owns
a
joining
land,
the
lot
shall
be
combined
to
meet
the
minimum
lot
requirements.
The
applicants
are
here
today
requesting
variance
approval
from
the
board
to
allow
a
non-conforming
lot
of
record,
which
is
lot
17.
here.
B
B
This
is
a
look
at
the
survey
of
the
property.
There
is
an
existing
single-family
home.
It's
located
on
mostly
on
lot
18.,
there's
a
pool,
a
couple
accessory
structures
in
a
driveway
on
the
property.
The
blue
dotted
line
is
representing
the
historic
platline
of
lot
17
and
where
the
applicants
are
proposing
to
follow.
If
this
variance
is
granted,
the
r70a
zoning
District
requires
a
minimum
lot
area
of
6
500
square
feet,
a
minimum
lot
depth
of
80
feet
and
a
minimum
width
of
60
feet
lot.
B
17
if
it
was
split,
is
non-conforming
in
both
lot
area,
it's
only
63
6
350
square
feet
in
area,
and
it's
only
50
feet
wide.
So
it's
not
conforming
in
area
and
width
when
going
over
the
history
of
this
property.
Something
unique
in
this
case
is:
according
to
the
property
appraiser
the
single-family
home
that
is
on
the
property,
was
constructed
in
1922..
This
predates
this
property
even
being
plotted
into
three
lots.
B
It
was
plotted
officially
in
1925
into
lot
17,
18
and
19,
and
that's
part
of
the
young
subdivision
Deluxe,
the
first
Land
Development
code
went
into
effect
in
1944.
At
that
time.
The
lots
and
their
historic
plot
configuration
did
conform
with
the
zoning
that
it
was
placed
into,
but
at
some
point
in
the
1970s,
through
a
series
of
updates
to
the
code
and
amendments
to
the
Land
Development
code,
these
Lots
became
non-conforming
an
area
in
width
as
far
as
common
ownership.
B
B
There
are
a
couple
considerations
with
this
application:
there
is
a
first
there's,
an
existing
accessory
structure
in
carport,
which
is
shaded
in
Orange
here
on
the
screen.
If
the
new
lot
line
goes
into
place,
it
potentially
could
create
a
zoning
violation
because
it
will
create
a
side
setback
conflict.
The
r78
district
requires
a
minimum
of
seven
and
a
half
feet.
This
obviously
would
have
no
setback.
The
applicant
has
agreed
to
remove
that
structure
prior
to
splitting
the
property.
B
The
other
consideration
is
the
existing
driveway,
which
is
shaded
in
green
here
again.
There's
a
lane
development
code
requirement
that
there's
a
minimum
three
foot
side
setback
so
prior
to
this
property
being
plotted,
the
driveway
either
needs
to
be
altered,
so
it
can
comply
with
that
standard
or
they
potentially
could
you
do
a
shared
or
common
access,
easement
that
they
could
use
for
both
Lots.
They
could
do
that
at
the
time
of
plotting.
B
So
if
the
board
chooses
to
approve
this
request,
then
we
would
recommend
having
a
couple
conditions
added
to
the
approval
that
reflect
these
and,
in
the
preliminary
staff
recommendation,
your
staff
report.
We
put
some
language
together
for
you
with
that.
These
are
your
review
standards,
specifically
for
non-conforming
lots
of
record
and
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
A
Thank
you,
Michigan
does
any
of
the
board
have
any
questions
tonight
for
staff's
presentation,
not
at
this
time.
F
E
Question
the
the
I
I
understand
from
the
materials
that
they're
doing
it
to
build
to
basically
sell
to
a
family
member
that
separate
lot.
E
B
Yeah
an
accessory
dwelling
unit-
yes,
thank
you.
Yes,
they
could.
However,
the
code
does
have
parameters
one.
It
restricts
the
size
to
600
square
feet.
It
also
requires
that
the
existing
home
be
owner
occupied,
which
in
this
case
it
is
they'd,
have
to
be
under
the
same
no
separate
utility
meters,
and
they
have
to
have
a
restrictive
covenant
for
that.
So
they
could
potentially
do
that,
but
it
is
have
some
restrictions
to
it.
E
Also,
was
there
something
on
other
side
of
the
property?
Was
there
an
accessory
structure
on
the
other
side
of
the
property,
and
what
was
that
I.
B
Believe
these
are
just
some
storage
structures.
All
the
applicant
touch
on
those
they're
intending
to
keep
17
and
19
together
as
one
property.
So
there's
no
no
potential
violation
by
if
they're
separating
Lot
19,
they
could
potentially
have
issues
because
it's
an
accessory
before
primary.
A
Okay,
now
we'd
like
to
hear
from
the
applicant
if
you'd
like
to
share
anything
with
us,
please
come
forward
and
share
your
name
address
and
yes,.
G
Yes,
my
name
is
Elizabeth
address
is
1211
East,
Boyer,
Street,
Tarpon,
Springs,
34689
I,
don't
I,
think
Ali
said
pretty
much
everything
I
just
wanted
to.
Let
you
know
that
this
is
not
first
to
be
sold
to
someone
it's
just
my
son
he's
probably
gonna
get
engaged
and
they
want
to
live
in
a
neighborhood.
They
grew
up
in
this
house,
and
so
they
decided
you
know
they
want
to
stay
right
now,
I'm
letting
them
both
live
there.
G
But
you
know
I
have
another
son,
so
I
would
like
them
to
kind
of
go,
have
their
own
house
so
and
it's
too
much
land
for
me
to
take
care
of
so
I
just
thought.
Maybe
it
would
be
a
good
idea
to
split
it
up
and
give
it
to
them,
and
that
way
we
can
be
close.
So
when
they
have
kids,
you
know
Grandma's
gonna
be
next
door
and
that's
that's
and
you're.
G
Like
Ellie
said
we
can
demolish
anything,
that's
in
a
way
like
the
the
carport
that
we
can
even
get
rid
of
the
driveway.
That's
not
a
problem
and
there's
I
know
there's
some
big
trees
on
that
side.
So
we
can
take
care
of
that
also.
A
Thank
you
for
being
here
tonight.
Is
there
any
questions
for
our
applicant.
G
G
A
And
those
driveway
accesses
would
be
part
of
the
planning
process
at
the
time
he
goes
to
build
the
house
and
each
lot
is
of
allotted
a
certain
square
footage
based
on
property
size.
So
if
you
did
get
rid
of
that,
driveway
I'm
sure
you
could
work
with
the
planning
department
to
get
a
different
driveway
for
your
own
home.
G
A
Does
anyone
else
have
any
questions
for
our
applicant
no
hearing,
none?
Is
there
anyone
from
the
public
or
you
sure
would
like
to
say
anything,
okay,
all
right
and
are
we
on
Zoom
tonight,
not
zoom,
so
no
Zoom
people
I,
don't
see
anybody
in
the
hallway.
So
I'm
going
to
call
for
public
comment
to
close.
A
D
A
A
Thank
you.
We
do
have
minutes
tonight
from
two
past
meetings
before
us
that
need
to
be
reviewed
and
hopefully
approved.
A
E
Can
but
I
wanted
to
make
a
recommendation
to
the
board
to
table
the
October
26th
minutes
during
the
October
26th
meeting
you
did
have
a
board
member
that
declared
a
voting
conflict
and
that
voting
conflict
form
was
not
attached.
So
I
would
like
to
have
the
October
26
minutes
tabled
if
I
could
and
then
I
didn't
have
any
changes
or
additions
for
the
December,
14th
ones.
A
This
okay
well
hearing
that
recommendation
from
our
attorney.
We
will
table
the
October
26
2022
and
if
our
recorder
tonight
could
make
sure
that
we
put
that
on
the
agenda
for
next
meeting
to
take
care
of
that.
Okay.
E
A
Joanne,
all
in
favor
we
have
a
roll
call
for
tabling
the
minutes.
Mr
Grossman.
C
I
A
I
A
Thank
you.
We
do
have
one
additional
item
tonight.
We
have,
our
staff
attorney,
has
or
I
guess
paid
attorney,
not
staff
or
contract
attorney.
Whatever
has
has
a
presentation
for
us
tonight
to
be
done
and
so
I.
Please
accept
your
patience
as
we
go
through
that
continuing
education
for
our
team.
She
said
it
will
last
about
15
minutes
and
since
we're
still
doing
well
on
time,
I
think
that'll
be
fine.
So
take
it
away.
E
All
right,
thank
you,
so
much
and
you
know,
I
did
want
to
make
sure
this
was
on
an
agenda
that
wasn't
exceptionally
full
so
that
we
kind
of
had
time
to
go
through
it
and
as
I
go
through
it.
E
If
you
have
questions,
please
don't
hesitate
to
stop
me
I,
don't
mind,
okay,
to
stop
and
talk
about
something
that
you
might
want
a
little
bit
more
information
on,
because
this
presentation
is
meant
to
be
a
higher
level
overview,
because
each
one
of
these
topics
can
be
broken
down
into
an
hour-long,
C,
Le
type
presentation
all
by
itself.
So
these
are.
These
are
very
deep
topics
and
what
we're
doing
tonight
is
just
a
higher
level
overview.
Okay.
E
E
What's
in
the
charter
where
it
defines
what
your
actual
Duties
are
and
and
in
your
in
the
ordinance
that
establishes
your
board
where
it
defines
what
your
duties
are
and
what
your
responsibilities
are
to
the
community
once
you
take
office
also
too,
whenever
I
have
to
have
a
conversation
with
somebody
and
hand
them
their
oath
of
office,
it's
probably
not
going
to
be
a
good
conversation.
E
So
the
next
page
page
two
slides
three
and
four-
is
what
is
government
in
the
sunshine
and
some
of
the
basics
that
Sunshine
Law
provides.
Is
both
public
access
to
government
action
and
how
the
government
is
making
its
decisions
and
what
decisions
they
are
making
and
it
provides
a
high
level
of
transparency.
The
real
intent
of
Sunshine
Law
is
as
a
tool
to
fight
corruption
in
government,
which
is
what
makes
it
so
important.
E
You
know
it
gives
that
capability,
because
you
are
public
servants
that
the
public
is
there
and
can
be
present,
and
can
no
one
understand
the
decisions
that
you're
making
on
a
daily
basis.
It
does
stem
from
the
Florida
Constitution
and
then
was
codified
by
the
legislature
in
section
286.011,
Florida,
Statutes
and
there's
three
basic
requirements.
The
first
one
is
that
the
meetings
of
public
boards
or
commissions
must
be
open
to
the
public.
E
There
must
be
reasonable
notice,
given
of
such
meetings
and
minutes
of
each
of
the
meetings
must
be
taken
and
then
we're
going
to
talk
about
each
one
of
those
sort
of
in
turn
here,
as
we
move
through
the
materials,
but
the
first
sort
of
threshold
question
that
I
like
to
talk
about
for
Sunshine
Law
is
what
constitutes
a
meeting,
because
most
people
think
that
the
only
thing
that
constitutes
a
meeting
is
a
gathering
like
this.
You
know
where
we're
all
here.
E
You
know
we're
on
a
dice
and-
and
you
know,
we're
taking
official
action,
but
under
Sunshine
Law
It
Only
Takes
Two
board
members
to
be
present
to
have
communications
regarding
official
business
in
order
for
it
to
be
a
violation
of
sunshine,
and
it's
discussing
any
matters
which
will
foreseeably
come
before
them
for
formal
action.
I
also
do
want
to
point
out
that
this
is
specific
to
members
of
the
same
board
or
body
right.
So
you
all
cannot
talk
to
each
other,
but
you
can
talk
to
the
Board
of
Commissioners
right.
E
So
that
means,
if
you
approve
a
variance
that
then
has
a
site
plan
that
ends
up
going
before
the
PCB
and
the
commission
right
and
then
you've
talked
to
a
pzb
member
or
a
commissioner
regarding
that
application,
then
that
individual
is
going
to
be
required
to
make
that
disclosure
on
the
record
at
that
hearing
that
they
had
this
conversation,
the
context
of
the
conversation
and
then
provide
an
affirmation
that
they
actually
are
going
to
make
that
decision,
based
on
the
information
that's
presented
in
the
hearing
right.
So
that's
that's
the
bigger
drawback.
E
E
The
other
thing
I
like
to
point
out
is
a
writing
reflecting
views
on
a
particular
matter
right
and-
and
that
seems
very
Broad
and
very
vague.
So
when
you
think
about
it,
it
can
be
a
memorandum
where
you're
preparing
a
memorandum
that
says
this
is
my
position
on
this
issue
and
then
sending
it
out
to
the
board
right.
That's,
what's
called
the
one
byte
at
the
Apple
roll
you
can
make
that
you
can
do
that.
E
You
could
put
something
out
there,
but
then,
when
a
dialogue
comes
about
where
there's
a
back
and
forth,
that's
where
the
Sunshine
Law
violation
happens.
So
if
you
put
out
your
position
paper,
then
commissioner
B
puts
out
their
position
paper
now.
You've
created
a
conversation
outside
of
the
context
of
of
a
dually
notice,
meeting
right
and,
and
you
you
now,
it's
still
a
public
record
one
way
or
the
other
right.
E
But
when
you
create
that
dialogue
and
start
that
dialogue,
that's
where
you're
going
to
run
into
the
sunshine
violations
I
will
typically
discourage
almost
always
discourage
even
taking
advantage
of
that
one
byte
of
the
Apple
rule,
because
it
just
invites
that
conversation
and
you
don't
you
know,
you
really
don't
want
to
Foster
that,
because
if
there
is
a
Sunshine
Law
violation,
then
it
will,
it
will
nullify
any
decision
that
you
do
make
on
that
particular
topic.
It
will
be
like
you
never
made
it
at
all.
E
I
E
Well,
that
that
can
that
can
depend
right
because
it
can
depend
on
how
they
style
it,
because
if
they
do
style
it
in
a
fashion
that
invites
that
conversation,
you
know
the
court
could
make
a
finding
that
there's
that
intent
there,
however,
usually
I,
find
when
people
do
do
something
like
that.
It
really
is
just
to
do
just
that
say
this
is
how
I
feel
about
this
topic.
I,
don't
think
it's
going
to
change,
or
you
know
whatever
the
case
may
be,
but
you
also
have
to
remember
you
you
all
being
a
quasi-judicial
board.
E
You
can't
make
those
statements
ahead
of
an
application
right,
because
that
means
that
you're,
not
basing
your
decision
on
what's
being
presented
to
you
at
the
hearing,
I
would
say
that
a
lot
of
the
position
papers
that
you
see
kind
of
out
there
will
usually
focus
more
on
legislative
type.
Actions
versus
decisions
like
you
all
make,
and
on
this
particular
board,
but.
E
And
Facebook
creates
a
whole
lot
of
issues.
That's
not
the
only
medium
that
people
use
that
you
know
a
lot
of
people
have
blog
posts
and
message
boards
and
things
like
that.
All
of
those
forums.
You
know
social
media
forums,
web
forums,
things
like
that
invite
that
back
and
forth
conversation
outside
of
of
this
type
of
an
environment
when
you're
talking
about
public.
You
just
have
to
have
it
set
in
your
mind
that
when
you're
talking
about
public
business
and
you're
conducting
public
business,
it
needs
to
be
here.
A
I
I
can
see
one
there's
been
I've,
been
on
the
board
of
adjustments,
not
as
long
as
Mr
habowski,
but
but
several
years
now,
and
there's
been
one
application
that
has
come
before
us
during
my
term
twice
and
there
may
be
in
the
next
year
that
same
thing
coming
back
at
the
time.
It
I
view
it
not
as
a
conflict
of
interest
if
I'm
I'm
hearing
this
same
application
three
different
times
but
I
am
getting
some
stronger
feelings
like
I
know,
Mr
hermoski
probably
would,
when
you're
hearing
the
same
story.
F
A
Now
it's
six
years,
you
know.
So
how
do
you
navigate
those
strong,
passionate
feelings
where
we
might
have
a
position
like
don't
even
come
in
this
room?
You
know,
because
you
know
I'll
try
to
be
as
impartial
as
I
can,
but
it's
getting
more
difficult
that
third
and
fourth
time
you
come
before
us,
do
you
have
any
words
of
wisdom
on
that
scenario,
since
it
might
happen
at.
E
E
Once
they
have
a
application
denied,
is
there
anything
in
the
code
that
says
they
can't
apply
for
another
year?
Well,.
A
A
E
B
E
Yeah
so
I
mean
you
can
hold
people
to
those
timelines
just
because
they
didn't
do
what
they
were
supposed
to
do
doesn't
mean
that
you,
you
know
you
have
to
do
that
right.
So
so
that
is
something
that's
within
your
discretionary
Authority.
You
gave
them
the
variance.
You
gave
them
the
amount
of
time
to
build
what
they
said
they
were
going
to
do,
and
then
they
didn't
do
it.
That
really
is
on
them
and.
A
E
No
they,
it
is
absolutely
that
is
not
how
conflict
of
interest
rules
work,
because
I
I
will
talk
a
little
bit
about
voting
conflicts,
a
couple
Pages
down,
but
that
is
not
what
would
constitute
a
voting
conflict
under
the
Constitution
or
the
ethics
code.
So
you
are
here
by
virtue
of
your
seat
on
this
board.
You
are
vested
with
that
authority
to
make
those
decisions
unless
something
would
endure
to
your
private
benefit
or
the
benefit
of
one
of
your
family
members
or
your
business
right.
E
A
B
Found
I
have
the
the
code-
okay,
so
yes,
variances
are
basically
applicable
for
two
years.
They
have
two
years
to
basically
for
a
building
permit
for
construction
has
been
issued,
so
the
permit
is
issued.
B
The
variance
does
not
expire
as
long
as
it
meets
the
plans
and
the
building
permit's
been
issued,
and
then
basically
they
are
able
to.
In
writing.
At
least
30
days
prior
to
a
scheduled
expiration
date
says
that
the
board
of
adjustments,
May
Grant,
one
six-month
extension
provided
proper
public
notification.
Mailing
has
been
given.
So
that's
for
an
extension
so
say
that
all
goes
away.
I
assume
that
they
would
be
able
to
potentially
apply
for
a
new
application.
E
E
Her
there
is
a
high
probability
because
that
you
would
charge
higher
fees
for
the
initial
application,
because
the
direct
mail
notice
that
has
to
go
out
right
yeah.
So
you
know
it
says
you
only
have
to
Grant
one
extension.
F
B
E
That
I
would
imagine
that
would
have
been
around
2012
2013.,
okay,.
D
E
A
E
Come
back
soon,
so
you're
expecting
visitors,
okay,
so
in
the
other
thing
going
back
to
what
constitutes
a
meeting,
you
have
to
remember
text
messages,
telephonic
conversations,
also
emails.
Those
can
all
be
meetings
under
the
Sunshine
Law.
E
Now
I'm
going
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
what
open
to
the
public
means.
It
means
that
the
facilities
that
you're
having
your
meeting
in
have
to
be
accessible,
so
ADA
Compliant
all
that
and
then
also
adequate
for
the
size
of
the
crowd
that
you're,
anticipating
and
I
like
to
use
the
example
from
when
I
was
in
the
Pinellas
County
local
planning
agency.
Sometimes
we
would
have
issues
come
up
because
they
had
a
much
smaller
Council
chain
or
commission
chamber
there,
and
then
you
all
do
here.
E
So
if
they
were
expecting
a
large
crowd,
they
would
actually
have
to
move
us
sometimes
to
like
the
Saint
Pete
epicenter
or
the
Largo
Public
Library,
to
hold
the
meetings
just
so
they
could
handle
the
number
of
people
that
were
looking
to
attend
that
particular
meeting
or
hearing
one
that
keeps
coming
up
in
multiple
jurisdictions.
Right
now,
for
some
reason
is
the
note
in
audible
discussions
a
lot
of
times.
It
can
be
very
tempting
to
turn
to
your
board
member
and
say
something
or
ask
a
question
about
an
application.
E
You
have
to
remember
that
that
kind
of
defeats,
the
purpose
of
making
sure
that
the
public
knows
and
understands
the
conversations
that
you're
having
about
about
what's
before
you
also
too,
the
public
has
a
right
to
be
present
and
to
be
heard,
so
the
that
right
to
be
heard
was
actually
written
into
the
statute.
I
want
to
say
in
like
2011.
E
They
sort
of
elevate
it
to
require
that
you
put
that
on
the
agenda
at
any
meeting,
where
there's
going
to
be
an
official
action
taken
and
that's
kind
of
been
the
law
of
the
land
for
almost
15
years.
Now,
the
other.
The
one
item
that
I
didn't
really
talk
about
is
notice
and
how
much
notice
is
required.
E
The
law
actually
doesn't
Define
exactly
how
much
notice
you
need
to
provide
for
a
meeting.
You
all
are
in
a
little
different
situation
because
for
the
board
of
adjustment,
you
have
to
have
those
direct
mailed
notice
to
properties
that
were
are
within
a
particular
radius.
E
So
there's
always
going
to
be
that
aspect
of
the
notice
that's
required
for
your
board,
but
just
the
general
posting
of
the
agenda
and
all
of
that
the
law
just
provides
that
it
has
to
be
reasonable
and
usually
that's
going
to
be
defined
as
nothing
less
than
48
to
72
hours.
Prior
to
the
meeting
right
on
that
next
page,
there
page
four
I,
have
the
exceptions
to
Sunshine.
I
will
say
that
none
of
these
are
really
going
to
apply
to
your
board.
These
are
all
exceptions
to
Sunshine.
E
You
know
the
shade
meeting
and
the
shade
meeting
requirements.
Those
are
all
something
that
are
going
to
be
within
the
purview
of
the
commission,
so
that
takes
us
to
our
next
section
with
which
is
public
records
law
and
that's
also
part
of
the
Florida
Constitution.
So
I
have
that
cited
there
and
then
there's
extensive
regulations
regarding
public
records,
the
handling
of
public
records
and
exemptions
to
public
records
that
are
contained
in
chapter
119,
Florida
Statutes,
then
that
next
slide
down.
E
That
has
the
statutory
definition
of
what
constitutes
a
public
record
and
it's
really
meant
to
capture
everything
anything
and
everything,
whether
it's
an
audio
recording,
whether
it's
a
digital
recording,
a
photograph,
it's
not
just
paper
and
documents
and
digital
files.
You
know
it's
any
material
that
is
made
to
communicate
or
formalize
knowledge.
So
if
you
go
to
the
next
page
here
page
six
with
slides,
11.
D
E
Even
if
it
involved
one
of
our
decisions
and
and
the
statute's
very
specific
about
that,
so
not
only
does
the
statute
that
governs
shade
meetings
lay
out
like
all
those
requirements.
It
specifically
tells
you
who
has
the
authority
to
attend
those
meetings,
because
it's
not
anybody
and
everybody
right.
It's
the
governing
body.
It
is
the
chief
administrative
official
and
then
the
attorney
for
the
agency.
Those
are
the
people
that
have
the
right
to
attend.
There
shouldn't
be
anybody
else
in
those
shade
meetings
or
executive
sessions.
Okay,.
E
So
here
on
on
this
next
page
page,
six
I
have
a
little
bit
of
a
better
breakdown
of
the
definition
of
a
public
record,
and
this
actually
comes
from
case
law
and
it's
any
material
prepared
in
connection
with
official
agency
business
intended
to
perpetuate
communicate
or
formalize
knowledge.
So
I
would
like
to
say
that
you
know
when
you
do
see
a
lot
of
things
that
are
posted
on
social
media,
particularly
if
you're
posting
them
as
a
board
member.
Then
that
becomes
your
record
to
maintain
right.
E
You
know
this.
The
the
city
has
their
social
media
accounts
that
they
run
right
and
then,
if
you
post
something
about
this
board
on
your
social
media,
it
then
becomes
your
responsibility
to
preserve
that
record
and
hopefully,
when
you
leave
office
to
give
that
record
to
the
city
so
that
they
have
it
and
can
maintain
it
after
you
leave
office,
and
that
would
be
true
too
for
any
additional
emails
or
things
that
you
know
you
may
have
as
a
public
record
that
aren't
located
on
the
city
server.
E
The
other
thing
that
I
think
is
incredibly
important
to
remember
is
that
when
you
do
receive
a
records
request,
there's
a
couple
things
you
can
and
cannot
do.
The
first
thing
you
should
absolutely
do
is
notify
the
city
right
and
the
the
city's
records
custodian
is
the
city
clerk
and
the
city
clerk's
office.
They
are
considered
to
be
the
official
records
custodian
of
the
city.
However,
if
you
possess
a
public
record,
you
are
the
custodian
of
that
record
right,
so
you're
still
responsible
for
that.
E
However,
it
is
imperative
that
you
let
the
city
clerk,
know
that
you
received
that
request
and
and
let
them
help
you
answer
it,
so
you
can
make
sure
you're
answering
it
appropriately.
There's
a
couple
things
too
that
have
been
used
over
time
to
kind
of
do
a
little
gotcha
to
to
cities
and
there's
some
some
rules
in
place
like
you
can
never
ask
the
identity
of
somebody
who's
requesting
a
public
record.
E
So
if
you
get
an
anonymous
request
from
some
email
address,
you
don't
know,
you
still
have
to
honor
it,
and
you
cannot
require
to
that
email
address
who
they
actually
are
right.
The
other
thing
that
you
cannot
do
is
you
cannot
ask
why
they
want
the
record.
The
law
considers
the
reason
that
they
want
the
record
irrelevant,
because
it's
a
constitutional
right
to
have
access
to
that
record
unless
there's
a
qualifying
exemption
to
to
public
right
to
the
giving
them
the
public
record.
E
E
D
E
They
can
ask
you
for
any
record
you
want.
You
know,
even
if
it's
not
directly
related
to
your
board,
if
it's
related
to
City
business,
they
may
just
know
you
as
a
public
official.
They
may
not.
You
know
a
lot
of
times.
Citizens
don't
know
the
difference
between.
You
know
a
board
member
on
the
pnz
or
a
board
member.
Here,
it's
like
all
the
same
to
them
a
lot
of
times.
They
don't
necessarily
understand
the
nuances
of
this
board
handles
this
kind
of
business
and
this
board
handles
that
kind
of
business.
E
I
Have
a
I
have
a
question,
so
the
if
somebody's
requesting
a
public
record
I
would
I
would
assume
that
most
of
us
are
getting
our
public
records
from
the
city.
Yes,
so
so,
if
somebody's
requesting
us,
we
can
just
refer
them
back
to
the
cities
that
I
don't
have
any
private
public
I
don't
have
any
well,
it
wouldn't
be,
like
I,
said,
to
oxy
Martin,
but.
I
E
To
the
extent
that
somebody
contacted
you,
a
citizen
or
an
applicant
may
have
sent
you
an
email,
somebody
who's
objecting
to
an
application
can
send
you
an
email.
I
mean
there
could
be
a
number
of
ways,
but
if
you
receive
something
like
that
or
have
something
like
that,
and
then
you
forward
it
to
the
city.
Well,
then
they
have
it
and
they
can
respond
on
your
behalf.
E
So
if
you
do
get
things
like
that,
just
sending
them
on
to
the
city,
so
they
can
be
put
on
the
city's
database
and
then
that
way,
they're
available
to
respond
to
records
requests
that
they
receive
so
all
right.
So
any
other
questions
on
public
records.
Before
we
move
on
to
the
ethics,
okay,
so
Florida's
public
Florida's
ethics
laws
for
public
officials,
I
always
like
to
put
the
motto
there
from
the
Florida
Commission
on
ethics.
That's
also
in
the
Constitution.
E
A
public
office
is
a
public
trust
and
it
just
the
ethics
laws
are
set
up
to
ensure
that
the
citizens
receive
honest
services
from
public
servants.
It's
found
in
several
places,
including
the
Constitution
Article,
2,
Section
8
and
then
also
part
three
of
chapter
112
Florida
Statutes
contains
Florida's
ethics
laws
and
also
there's
the
establishment
of
the
Florida
Commission
on
ethics,
which
governs
ethics
violations
and
we're
going
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
their
role.
In
all
of
this.
E
Going
on
to
the
next
page,
Amendment
12
I
actually
wrote
a
law
review
article
on
this.
This
amendment
12
was
a
part
of
the
2018
election
and
it
received
78.6
percent
of
Florida.
Voters
voted
to
strengthen
the
constitutional
Provisions
regarding
lobbying
restrictions
and
regarding
abuse
of
public
position.
That's
over
6
million
Florida
voters
that
thought
it
was
imperative
to
increase
those
standards
and
to
pass
that
particular
Amendment.
E
So
what
that
actually
says
is
the
lobbying
restrictions
prohibit
Municipal
officials
for
six
years
from
coming
back
and
representing
individuals
or
lobbying
for
a
particular
position
before
the
body
that
that
they
left
so
six
years
from
leaving
office?
You
can't
go
back
then,
and
and
represent
people
for
compensation
before
your
your
previous
agency
abuse
of
public
position.
E
It
follows
the
guidelines
from
misuse
of
official
position,
which
has
been
a
long
codified,
Prohibition
in
chapter
112,
Florida
Statutes,
and
basically
it
says
that
you
can't
use
your
public
position
to
gain
a
disproportionate
benefit
and
we're
going
to
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
that
in
a
minute,
but
the
abuse
of
public
physician
you
can
see
there.
There
are
some
additional
Provisions
that
were
in
there
that
required
them
the
legislature
to
do
a
couple
things,
including
defining
what
the
disproportionate
benefit
rule
would
and
how
that
would
apply.
E
So
they
enacted
rule
34.18.001
of
the
Florida
administrative
code.
That's
on
the
next
page,
page
eight,
and
it
goes
through
six
factors
there
that
the
commission
uses
to
determine
whether
or
not
something
constitutes
a
disproportionate
benefit,
and
they
also
established
the
intent
requirement
which
the
intent
requirement
that
they
looked
for
look
for
is
not
like
malicious
intent
or
anything
like
that.
It
is
intent
that
is
inconsistent
with
the
proper
performance
of
public
duties,
and
that
is
the
intent
requirement
that
needs
to
be
met
in
order
to
to
show
a
violation.
E
So
then,
under
chapter
112,
Florida
Statutes
I
like
to
break
that
down
into
four
different
sections
there.
So
I
have
prohibited,
conduct,
prohibited
business
and
Employment
Practices
Financial
disclose
disclosure
Basics
and
voting
conflicts.
So
on
the
next
page
under
prohibited
conduct,
we
have
except
solicitation
or
acceptance
of
gifts
or
honoraria
unauthorized
compensation
again
that
misuse
of
public
position
and
disclosure
or
use
of
certain
information.
E
So
with
gifts
and
honor
area,
you
can
never
take
anything
that
is
being
given
to
sway
your
opinion
or
influence
your
decision,
making,
typically
gifts
that
would
be
under
25.
There's
no
reporting
requirement,
but
anything
that
you
receive.
That's
that's
higher
than
that,
particularly
anything
over
a
hundred
dollars.
There
is
a
mandatory
reporting
requirement
where
you
have
to
fill
out
forms
regarding
where
you
got
it,
who
gave
it
to
you
why
they
gave
it
to
you
all
that
kind
of
fun
stuff.
You
have
to
fill
out
right.
E
The
unauthorized
compensation
is,
you
know
if
you're
receiving
something
of
value
for
an
official
decision,
kind
of
starts
to
look
a
lot
like
bribery
and
and
there's
another
statute
that
I
provide
you
later
on
in
the
materials
on
that,
so
the
misuse
of
public
position
we
already
talked
about
how
that
relates
a
little
bit
to
the
abuse
of
public
position
from
the
Constitutional
Amendment.
E
What's
important
to
note
is
that
this
statutory
provision
is
is
much
more
broad,
because
the
disproportionate
benefit
cannot
be
for
the
public,
official
or
others,
and
so
that's
a
very
broad
or
others.
That
means
that
you
can't
be
having
that
to
benefit
anybody
else.
You
can't
be
making
the
decision
to
benefit
somebody.
You
have
to
be
making
your
decisions
based
on
the
merits
of
what's
before
you.
E
So
then
we
have
prohibited
employment
and
business
practices.
We
have
the
Dual
office
holding
prohibition,
which
is
a
constitutional
provision.
We
have
doing
business
with
one's
own
agency,
so
you
all
cannot
do
business
with
the
city
of
Tarpon
Springs,
because
you
are
public
officials
of
the
city
anti-nepticism.
You
guys
aren't
really
going
to
have
much
to
do
with
that,
because
you
don't
appoint
or
employ
anybody
on
this
board.
You
also
cannot
have
conflicting
employment
or
contractual
relationships.
E
That
would
sort
of
be
somebody
who
was
also
an
employee
of
the
city
than
being
also
a
board
member
for
a
board
that
that
in
most
instances
is
going
to
be
a
now
the
Dual
office
holding.
You
are
a
final
decision-making
body,
so
you
do
not
have
the
luxury
of
holding
other
public
office
you're
prohibited.
While
you
sit
on
this
board
from
holding
any
other
public
office
state
or
federal,
and
you
also
would
be
subject
to
the
resign
to
run
law.
E
If
you
wanted
to
run
for
another
office
next
page
I
have
the
voting
conflicts,
so
that's
governed
by
State,
Statute
I
have
their
section
Florida
statute,
section
112.33143
that
disclosure
is
required.
You
do
have
to
disclose
at
the
beginning
of
the
application,
then
you
have
to
fill
out
the
state
form
and
then
that
state
form
has
to
be
attached
to
the
minutes.
So
that's
all
in
State
Statute,
which
is
why
I
had
you
continue
your
minutes
because
it
didn't
have
the
required
the
attachment,
that's
required
under
state
law.
E
So
that
could
be
a
very
big
issue
right.
The
other
thing
I
like
to
point
out
here
is
that
you
actually
do
have
a
constitutional
duty
to
vote.
You
can't,
you
know
just
for
any
reason
say
I'm
going
to
abstain
from
voting
on
this.
It
has
to
be
something:
that's
a
qualifying
legal
Conflict
for
you
not
to
vote
on
it
so
requesting
an
Ethics
opinion
from
the
Florida
Commission
on
ethics,
public
officials
and
employees
are
required
to
request
opinions.
E
E
I
will
always
highly
highly
suggest
that
you
don't
do
the
writing
on
your
own,
that
you
have
either
myself
or
or
another
attorney
assist
you
with
that
particular
decision
and
what
you're
going
to
be
be
putting
in
that
writing,
because
it
can
have
a
very
big
effect,
because
the
decision
that's
then
rendered
and
the
opinion
from
the
commission
is
binding
on
everybody,
not
just
your
community,
everybody
throughout
the
state
same
thing
with
the
attorney
general's
opinion
filing
an
Ethics
complaint.
E
E
E
E
E
The
thread:
that's
a
threshold
question
right
and
that's
the
first
analysis
that
they'll
do
is
whether
or
not
each
position
constitutes
an
office
for
the
purpose
of
this.
The
Constitution
okay.
So.
D
E
D
H
E
Would
not
consider
that
to
be
my
role.
You
know,
ethics
complaints
are
are
individual
and
individualized,
so
I
I,
it's
I'm,
not
I'm.
Oh,
not
really,
quite
sure
how
that
proceeded.
Okay
that
way
so.
E
The
investigation
so
once
the
investigation
has
commenced,
it
is
confidential
up
until
there's
a
decision
by
the
ethics
commission.
They
have
to
they
get
the
initial
complaint.
They
give
everybody
the
opportunity
to
respond
a
lot
of
times,
they'll
come
and
do
investigations
and
people
will
have
to
give
sworn
statements
and
things
like
that
during
the
course
of
the
investigation,
and
then
the
investigator
will
make
a
recommendation
to
the
commission
on
whether
or
not
there's
probable
cause
and
then
there
sometimes
the
individual.
If
they
don't
like.
E
The
recommendation
can
then
request
a
full-blown
blown
evidentiary
hearing
before
the
commission
on
ethics.
They
do
them
in
some
places
around
the
state,
but
mostly
up
in
Tallahassee,
and
then
the
penalties
that
are
adopted
are
down
there
on
the
bottom
and
they
kind
of
range,
and
they
will
range
depending
on
what
the
violation
actually
is.
E
There
has
been
several
times
the
suggestion
that
that
ten
thousand
dollar
figure
be
increased
to
a
hundred
thousand
dollars,
because
the
same
rules
apply
to
the
state
legislature
and
State
office
that
apply
to
County
commissions
and
Municipal
boards,
and
when
you
start
to
get
into
some
of
those
higher
offices,
then
that
ten
thousand
dollars
doesn't
always
seem
like
that
much
of
a
deterrent.
So
they
have
been
looking
to
increase
that
that,
by
the
way,
I
think
has
been
the
the
penalty
since
the
70s
or
80s.
E
So
you
can
see
you
know,
it
was
meant
back
then
to
be
a
much
bigger
hammer,
and
it's
just
not
so
much
of
that
big
hammer
anymore.
So
then,
on
the
next
page,
I
do
have
the
penalties
for
violation
of
Sunshine
Law.
Those
are
second
degree
misdemeanors.
So
if
you
willfully
and
knowingly
violate
Sunshine
Law,
it
is
a
crime.
There
has
been
a
little
bit
of
an
uptick
across
the
state
and
prosecutions
for
these.
E
You
know
the
for
both
this
and
for
public
records,
because
public
records
violations
are
a
crime
too
and
again
those
those
fines
seem
a
little
low,
like
the
500
figures
seem
a
little
low.
That's
really
not
what
I
would
be
worried
about
when
you
start
getting
into
defending
these
I
have
seen
the
attorney's
fees
in
the
hundreds
of
thousands
of
dollars,
even
as
much
as
720
000
in
attorneys
fees
that
were
awarded
in
some
public
records
cases.
E
You
know
that
actually
for
a
while
throughout
the
state
became
big,
a
pretty
big
business,
where
there
were
certain
groups
that
were
just
systematically
hitting
cities
for
public
records
violations,
because
the
statute
provided
for
automatic
attorneys
fees,
but
now
there's
some
things
that
cities
can
do
like
designating
a
specific
records,
custodian
and
some
other
things
that
can
help
alleviate
that
burden
of
the
types
of
attorneys
fees
that
a
city
would
be
faced
with
for
public
records
violations.
The
other
thing
two
to
remember,
particularly
like
in
public
records
and
and
and
sunshine.
E
So
there
was
one
case
that
that
I
like
to
brief
that
was
out
of
Jacksonville
I
believe
and
in
the
Jacksonville
case.
You
know
they
had
two
Commissioners.
That
would
talk
for
hours
on
the
phone
and
they
couldn't
prove
that
they
were
actually
talking
about
City
business,
you
know
or
or
government
business
for
their
entity,
but
they
basically
said,
like
you
know:
Common
Sense
dictates
that
you
know
they
weren't
talking
about
scheduling
matters
for
an
hour
and
a
half
so
and
then
also
two.
E
There
have
been
some
cases
where
they
have
actually
got
people
on
the
other
side
of
it,
for
perjury,
for
saying
that
they
had
no
Communications
and
signing
affidavits
and
giving
sworn
statements
and
testimony
to
the
state
attorney
and
then
going
back
and
seeing
Oh
the
records
reflect
that
these
two
people
were
actually
talking.
You
know,
so
they
if
they
can't,
even
if
they
can't
get
you
on
one
violation.
E
They
are
starting
to
look
at
the
other
just
to
make
sure
that
there's
a
sufficient
deterrent
so
that
these
aren't
something
that
are
in
name
only
I.
D
Have
a
question
back
on
the
ethics
penalties
yes
says
at
the
top
impeachment,
and
then
removal
and
then
suspension.
So
my
recollection
is
impeachment
is
like
impeach
means
accused
right.
So
is
that
just
a
formal
accusal
of
them?
If
because
the
other
things
are
the
removal
or
suspension?
So
what
would
so.
E
So
when
you
that's
one
of
the
big
differences
between
impeachment
impeachment,
you
can
think
of
it
more
like
of
something
where
there's
that
procedure
that's
put
in
place
like
a
recall
election
or
some
of
those
types
of
things
where,
where
you're,
following
a
given
procedure
to
impeach
somebody
for
their
bad
acts
in
office
right,
so
all
right
now,
moving
on
to
City
of
Clearwater
me.
E
E
A
E
So
I'm
sure
that
it's
going
to
be
governed
by
what's
provided
in
their
City
Charter,
because
Charters
all
have
different
different
ways
of
filling
vacancies
that
it's
not
something.
That's
uniform,
it's
it's
distinct
to
every
Community,
there's
some
standard
ways
that
you
can
kind
of
talk
about,
but
a
lot
of
times
it'll
depend
on
how
long
they
have
an
office
and
if
it's
an
extended
period
of
time,
that's
left
on
their
term
of
office,
then
some
of
some
Charters
will
provide
that
you're
required
to
hold
a
special
election.
E
Okay
thanks
so
criminal
conduct
in
office.
This
is
something
that
you
know.
We
really
just
don't
see
a
lot
so
I
like
to
kind
of
highlight
some
of
the
state
statutory
Provisions
this
first
one
here
is
false
official
statements
and
that's
nobody
can
give
you
something
in
writing
that
they
know
is
false
and
is
intentionally
false
in
order
to
sway
your
position
one
way
or
another
right.
E
So
that
can
be
a
big
deal
and-
and
that's
something
that
sometimes
you
know
you
actually
do
see
somebody's
going
to
put
like
all
this
stuff
in
there
and
and
say
things
that
aren't
true.
You
know
we
have
these
testimonies
for
quasi-judicial
hearings
are
under
oath
for
a
reason.
You
know
the
gravity
of
what
they're
saying
that
they're
giving
you
information
needs
to
be
impressed
upon
the
public
that
they
do
have
a
responsibility
in
these
applications.
To
give
you
appropriate
and
accurate
information
and.
A
E
Next
page
I
have
there's
a
couple
there's
actually
a
couple
sections
in
this
chapter:
838
that
deal
with
sort
of
public
officials
and
and
public
misconduct
from
public
officials
and
I'd
like
to
include
this
definition
section
here.
I
know
it's
very,
very
tiny
and
there's
a
couple
ones
in
here
that
I
kind
of
have
highlighted
one
is
the
the
definition
of
the
term
benefit
which
really
is,
is
any
commission
gift,
gratuity
property,
commercial
interest
or
anything
of
economic
value
not
authorized
by
law?
That's
important
also.
E
The
definition
of
harm
for
the
purposes
of
this
statutory
section
does
include
pecuni
pecuniary
or
monetary
loss
or
disadvantage
an
additional.
In
addition
to
actual
injury,
then
also
the
definition
there
of
public
servant,
which,
which
does
include
all
executive
and
and
government
employees
and
officials
right
so
down
here.
I
have
the
section
on
official
misconduct
and
I
like
to
talk
about
this
one,
because
it
does
talk
a
lot
a
little
bit
about
falsifying
information
like
if
someone
were
to
intentionally
alter
a
public
document
and
a
public
record
in
order
to
make
it
reflect
something
else.
E
The
destruction
of
public
records
is
something
that
is
very
precise
too,
because
the
state,
the
Florida
Department
of
State
Division
of
Library
Sciences,
publishes
a
records
retention
schedule
and
it
has
a
whole
classification
of
this
is
what
the
record
is,
and
then
this
is
how
long
you're
you're
required
to
keep
it
and
then,
when
a
public
entity
does
destroy
records,
they're
required
to
file
to
report
and
file
with
the
Florida
Department
of
State,
what
they
destroyed
and
and
all
of
that
fun
stuff.
E
So
it's
it's
no
small
thing
to
destroy
public
records
and
then
the
next
one
is
the
unlawful
compensation
on
the
next
page
or
reward
for
official
Behavior.
That's
really
essentially
bribery
and
the
bribery
statute
there
for
your
your
bedtime
reading
and
then
the
next
page
I
have
corruption
by
threat
against
a
public
servant
and
I
like
to
include
that,
because
it
is
a
special
crime
for
anyone
to
ever
try
to
threaten
you
in
your
official
capacity
in
order
to
sway
your
decision
one
way
or
another.
E
Yes,
you
would
have
to
you
would
have
to
file
a
police
report
for
that,
and
then
it
would
be
referred
to
the
state
attorney's
office
and
then
the
last
one
doesn't
really
apply.
You
know
the
disclosure
or
use
of
confidential
criminal
justice
information
is
really
more
when
you're
dealing
with
police
department.
A
E
So
yes,
and
no
because
they
do
the
state
attorney's
office-
does
provide
victim
victims.
Advocates
right,
because
you
know
there.
There
is
a
whole
slew
of
victims,
rights
that
we
have
in
the
state
under
the
Constitution
and
and
that's
something.
That's
that's
provided
in
a
different
manner,
but
I
would
be
available
to
consult
because,
ultimately,
you
know
my
my
client's,
always
the
city
right
and
I
can
represent
any
of
you
in
the
performance
of
your
official
duties
and
actions,
but
to
the
extent,
there's
ever
a
departure
which
that
wouldn't
be.
E
That
would
not
be
an
example
of
a
departure
from
because
it's
not
your
fault
right-
that
somebody's
doing
that
to
you
right
so
I
think
I
could
provide
you
to
a
certain
extent
that
type
of
representation,
but
I
would
rely
more
heavily
on
the
victims.
Advocates
that
would
be
provided
through
the
state
attorney's
office.
C
I
E
A
Well,
thank
you
very
much,
Miss
Kardash
for
your
excellent
presentation,
as
always,
you're
very
welcome
it.
E
Took
a
little
longer
but
okay.
A
We
forgive
you,
we
forgive
you
thanks.
Any
other
board
comments,
any
other
staff
comments
nope.
Well,
then
it
is
7.
33
and
I
adjourn
this
meeting
great
job.
Thank
you.