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A
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B
B
All
like
to
remind
to
everyone
that,
due
to
the
health
crisis,
we
continue
to
face,
the
meetings
will
continue
to
be
conducted
by
video
conferencing
and
provide
for
public
comments
to
protect
the
public
and
employees.
B
B
D
Can
you
hear
me
you,
okay,
this
is
michael's
mike
couscout,
623,
east
harpen
avenue
just
a
minor
comment.
D
You
know
along
pinellas
avenue
you
have
the
the
islands
that
are
that
are
nicely
landscaped
several
years
ago
on
the
south
end
of
the
property
that
that
is
now
a
flagship
bank,
the
the
city
built
like
a
bump
out
and
landscaped
it,
which
at
the
time
was
really
nice
and
unfortunately
that
that
that
bump
out
that
landscape
is
is
neglected.
D
I
see
that
the
city
crews
go
in
and
do
a
nice
job
in
maintaining
the
landscaping,
but
I
think
they
forget
to
do
that.
Currently,
it's
it's
starting
to
overgrow
they've
got
some
nice
crepe
myrtles
in
there
they
put
some
low
vegetation
in
there,
but
it's
all
starting
to
overgrow
full
of
weeds,
a
lot
of
whether
it's
or
passerbys
throw
their
trash
in
there
we've
been
policing
it,
mr
cosgrove,
and
I
because
we
all
know
the
property
there
and
I
just
wanted
to
bring
it
to
the
city's
attention.
B
We
are
now
going
to
the
concern
agenda.
Item
number
one
is
the
attorney
fees
a
trash
can
dino
invoice
august.
11
2020
b
is
johnson
jackson,
invoice
65,
47,
65,
48
and
65
49
number
two
is
the
fiscal
year
2021
regular
session
meeting
schedule
number
three
is
authorized
city
manager
to
execute
annual
det
dea
task
force.
Agreement
and
number
four
is
to
extend
file
number
1600,
36
ccm,
auction
service
for
vehicles
and
related
equipment,
pinellas
county
contract
number
145,
1450225
r
rjrg
number
five.
B
Is
the
award
file
number
two
zero
zero
one:
five:
eight
and
jl
single
source,
torches
of
rugged
machine
to
machine
gateway,
integrated
broadway
broadband,
global
position,
systems,
routers
accessories,
maintenance
and
service
and
number
six?
Is
the
award
file
number
two
zero
zero
162
n
am
single
source
purchase
of
dodge
original
equipment.
Manufacturing
reports
of
service
number
seven
is
to
approve
combined
car
rms
crime
scene
and
fingerprinting
agreement
with
pinellas
county
sheriff's
office.
B
F
Yes,
well,
bob
roberson
give
that
report
to
you.
J
J
The
purpose
of
this
change
order
is
to
address
additional
utility
needs
that
were
identified
after
the
design
was
finished
and
the
project
was
out
of
bed.
These
include
new
fire
service
piping,
additional
potable
water
service
lines
for
future
development,
additional
sanitary
sewer,
lateral
connections
and
miscellaneous
asphalt
and
concrete
restoration.
B
K
B
H
Yeah,
I
just
had
a
quick
question
for
you,
mr
robertson,
just
for
my
own
knowledge.
What's
the
estimated
completion
date
for
the
project.
J
I
believe
we
have,
until
I
want
to
say
march-
is
the
final
schedule
on
that,
but
they
are
way
ahead
of
schedule.
Okay,
I
think
what
I
need
to
do
is
I
need
to
get
an
update
for
you.
We,
I
do
keep
the
percentage
updated
on
the
spreadsheet
that
I
sent
out
every
week,
but
I'll
send
out
an
update
for
you
to
give
you
a
better,
better
estimate
of
the
date.
Okay,.
B
D
Okay,
I'm
sorry
this
is
my
cuscutus
of
623
east
tarpon
avenue.
As
most
of
you
know,
I
own
property
on
both
sides
of
the
street.
You
know
in
in
looking
at
the
construction
and
and
seeing
the
progress
being
made,
and
I
I
would
agree
with
mr
robertson.
D
They
look
like
they're
way
ahead
of
schedule,
but
one
one
of
the
things
that
that
actually,
that
came
to
my
attention
and
actually
walk
in
the
property
and
seeing
the
parking
and
stuff
like
that
is,
I
I
think
you're
going
to
have
difficulty
making
it
a
two-lane
road.
D
Okay,
you
know
I
can
understand
when,
when
you
put
things
to
paper,
it
may
look
good
until
you
start
looking
at
it
in
its
operational
context,
because
a
lot
of
times
it
differs
from
what
you
thought
would
be,
and
you
know
and
and
common
sense
suggests,
that
if
you're
along
the
way,
you
think
it's
going
to
be
a
mistake,
then
correct
the
mistake.
D
You
know
I
I
I
initially
thought
this.
This
initially
was
going
to
be
a
one-way
heading
west
and
not
a
two-lane
road,
and
it
makes
common
sense
to
have
it
a
one-way,
because
you
have
within
a
one
block
area.
You
have
three
access
points
to
alternate
19.
D
two
of
them
have
lights,
so
it
seemed
that
if
it
was
a
westbound
direction
on
court
street,
anybody
wanting
to
go
back
could
either
go
left
to
go
up,
go
up
lemon
street
or
take
a
right
and
go
up
tarpon
avenue
and
have
access
to
the
light.
You
know
going
going
east
off
of
that
road,
whether
it's
taking
a
left
or
taking
a
right
again.
Three
access
points
in
within
a
one
block
area
doesn't
make
sense
that
you
are
redesigning
that
road.
D
It
would
make
sense
to
again
make
it
a
one-way,
one-way
road.
It's
also
my
understanding
that
that
you're
only
out
allotted
10
feet
going
each
direction
10
feet,
heading
east
10,
feet,
heading
west
as
as
traffic
and
that's
you
know,
I
know
that's
minimum,
but
that's
pretty
narrow
if
you've
got
an
oversized
vehicle
if
you're
pulling
a
trailer
that
road
can
be
precarious,
especially
when
you
have
people
backing
in
and
out
at
the
angle
parking.
So
I
I
would
hope
that
that
that
the
city
gives
it
some
consideration.
D
I
know
you
spent
money
and
it
may
cost
a
little
bit
more
to
address
the
issue.
But
again,
if
it's
a
mistake,
you
stop
the
mistake
before
you
finish
it
and
then,
and
and
and
while
you're,
while
you're
going
while
you're
in
construction
as
it
is.
So
I
I
guess
I
will
say
I've
said
my
piece
at
the
end
of
the
day.
D
L
Mayor,
I
have
a
question
sure
how
how
far
are
we
in
construction?
Mr
robertson,
I
mean,
are
we
ready
to
start
the
bump
outs?
Are
they
done
or
what
what's
the
circumstances
out
there.
J
A
H
B
Next
is
the
addendum
one
meters
extension
edition
service
staff
requirements
to
the
curse.
F
Yes,
I'll
have
bob
robertson
to
start
off,
giving
you
some
background
of
what's
been
going
on
with
negotiations
and
then
I'll
take
over
with
the
big
question
of
this
whole
agreement
and
deal
so
bob.
Will
you
go
and
start
off
and
let
them
know
how
we've
ended
up
here.
J
As
stated,
this
would
have
happened
around
the
march
time
frame
and
maybe
even
sooner,
but
for
reasons
that
we
don't
that
aren't
quite
clear.
The
agreement
was
was
never
signed
despite
several
inquiries
through
the
city
attorney's
office,
and
recently
the
developer
sought
to
amend
the
amount
of
the
funding
requests
that
we
negotiated.
J
J
So
if
this
payment
were
to
be
approved,
it
would
be
funded
entirely
from
the
sanitation
budget,
since
the
work
would
directly
impact
access
to
the
new
york
waste
facility
and
the
developer.
The
developers
also
asked
for
several
other
conditions,
to
coincide
with
this
payment
and
for
those
I'll
turn
it
back
over
to
the
city
manager
to
discuss
those
items.
F
F
To
get
this
deal
done
and
one
of
the
important
things
on
the
deal
is
that
they
sign
off
that
they
can't
come
back
on
us
for
any
of
the
the
money
that
we
give.
Them
is
the
money
and
they
can't
come
back
on
us
and
everything
else.
That's
what
we
want,
but
obviously
what
they
want
is
the
temporary
certificate.
B
B
Yes,
okay
and
you
know
I
I
agree
that
we
should
pay
them
the
347
thousand
dollars
that
we
agree,
but
in
regards
to
the
to
the
request
for
them
to
give
them
temporary
certificate
of
occupancy.
How
long
is
going
to
take
for
them
to
finish
the
another
10
percent
to
complete
the
road?
F
J
J
B
Six
weeks
to
finish,
I'm
not
sure
if
that's
really
going
to
be
the
the
case,
but
but
anyway,
the
agreement
is
that
yeah,
the
local
funding
agreement
that
we
did
was
in
order
for
them
to
get
the
final
co.
The
project
of
mir's
extinguishers
guy
has
to
be
complete.
B
Let's
sympathize,
you
know
with
the
development
that
he
has
two
buildings
ready
and
he's
going
to
have
over
100
102
units
that
he
can
actually
rent.
But
my
concern
is:
if
mirrors
is
not
completed,
102
units
I
can,
we
can
have
up
to
200
cars.
B
B
I
would
not
agree
to
give
any
to
give
them
the
temporary
co
that
they're
requesting
this
is
something
that
we
already
have
agreed
and
that's
the
way
we
already
promised
that
to
the
people
of
tarpon
springs
for
several
years
now,
that's
the
way
they're
expecting
it.
They
want
to
see
the
world
completed
before
the
korea,
development
or
start
renting
the
apartments.
B
So
that's
my
position
on
that.
Vice
mayor
car.
I
I'm
I'm
gonna
echo.
Basically
what
the
mayor
said
on
this
one.
I
don't
really
have
a
whole
lot
more
to
add.
I
agree
with
the
374
000.
I
think.
I
Write
the
check
for
that
we
asked
for
that
work
to
be
done
as
a
city.
I
think
the
city
has
a
partner
with
this
project.
That's
owed
to
the
developer.
I
think
that's
that's
a
do,
but
I
really
don't
have
anything
else
to
add
based
on.
I
think
the
mayor
hit
the
nail
on
the
head
on
that
one.
I
A
Thank
you,
mayor
tom,
in
reading
this
letter
from
mr
schilling,
this
memo
paragraph
seven,
he
kind
of
makes
a
veiled
threat.
We
still
plan
to
come
to
an
agreement.
I
guess
not
a
threat,
but
we
still
plan
to
come
to
an
agreement
with
the
city
as
to
final
cost
sharing.
But
that
discussion
is
for
another
day.
H
C
Sir,
for
sen,
for
the
past
six
months,
I
have
told
the
attorney
that
we
are
not
paying
a
dime
more
than
what
what
the
agreement
provided,
except
for
the
additional
work
that
we
had
asked
for
unless
the
credits
for
the
fill
and
the
storage
of
material
at
the
city's
landfill
and
I've
told
him
that
time
and
time
again,
and
so
each
time
he
sends
me
an
email
asking
where
we're
at
on
that.
I
tell
him
the
same
thing,
and
so
that's
really.
C
What
he's
talking
about
in
the
letter
is
is
that
we're
going
to
eventually
talk
about
that
in
the
future.
We're
at
that
point
right
now
he
came
back.
They
made
an
offer.
It
was
a
very,
very
high
offer.
We
told
them
where
their
analysis
was
inconsistent
with.
What
is
you
know
on
the
ground,
told
them
that
we
were
willing
to
agree
to
move
forward
with
what
we
had
agreed
to
in
march,
and
but
we
would
have
certain
conditions
and
they
agreed
to
those
conditions.
C
One
of
the
things
that
I'm
concerned
about,
as
as
the
city
attorney,
is
avoiding
litigation,
and
if,
if
I
can
get
to
get
us
to
a
point
where,
in
exchange
for
a
couple
of
things
that
we
get
a
general
release
for
any
future
future
possible
litigation,
that
was
really
what
I
was
attempting
to
do
here
when
the
when
the
request
came
forward,
was
to
make
sure
that
we
cut
them
off
so
that
we
don't
have
to
worry
about
that
in
the
future.
C
I
I
understood-
and
I've
told
them
all
along-
that
we
were
not
going
to
issue
cos
for
this
project
until
the
road
was
complete.
I've
been
consistent
on
that
discussion
with
them
from
the
very
beginning
as
well.
C
This
deal,
however,
you
know
getting
to
a
point
where
they
would
agree
to
this
number,
getting
them
to
a
point
where
they
would
provide
us
with
sufficient
documentation
that
would
reflect
that
they
have
the
financial
resources
to
complete
the
road,
give
us
the
release,
and
you
know
otherwise,
comply
with
the
agreement
that
we
had
already
entered
into,
that
that
it
would
be
probably
a
good
swap
to
allow
them
to
move
in.
You
know
six
weeks
or
eight
weeks
before
they're
actually
have
the
right
to
under
the
agreement.
C
A
C
Well,
they're,
claiming
that
we
have
an
obligation
to
pay
because
of
unforeseen
circumstances
on
the
ground,
some
bad
engineering.
From
what
I
understand,
some
recommendations
that
city
staff
made
that
they
did
not
follow
and
they
ultimately
had
to
pay
some
additional
monies
for
the
work
that
they
did
and
reliance
upon
the
engineering
work
that
they
had
done.
C
A
So
I
see
that
you
have
the
release
here
in
paragraph
two
of
right:
mark's,
memo
or
bob's
memo.
Sorry
and
my
understanding
from
years
ago,
with
this
project,
is
that
we
don't
have
any
sidewalks
along
this
road.
Is
that
correct?
I
guess
that
would
be
for
bob.
C
Yeah,
I
don't
know
the
answer
to
that
I'll.
Let
bob
pipe.
A
Yeah,
I
know
that
it
was
not
included
as
far
as
how
that
was
negotiated
out,
which
this
that's
another
story.
Bob,
do
you
have
an
idea
of
cost
per
foot
on
sidewalks.
J
Oh,
I
don't
have
that
off
the
top
of
my
head,
but
I
will
tell
you
this.
If
you
don't
mind
me,
jumping
ahead
a
little
bit,
we
are
working
with
an
engineer
on
the
yard,
waste
and
scale
house
relocation
project
and
what
I've
asked
them
to
do
is
include
sidewalk
at
a
long
mirrors
extension
as
an
additive
alternate
to
that
bid.
So
we
have
a
vehicle
to
include
it
and
have
it
done
later,
but
I
didn't
mean
to
derail
you
there,
but
I
just
wanted
you
to
have
that
information.
I
A
Be
way
off
still,
I
understand
that
they
all
can
be
different
with
prep
work,
and
things
like
that,
but
I
mean
there's
got
to
be
a
a
per
foot,
cost
that
we
could
work
off
of.
So
my
thinking
is
just
you
know
in
terms
of
the
broader
negotiation
of
this
deal
right
and
trying
to
understand
where
we're
at
today.
Do
we
have
any
diagrams
of
turn
lanes
that
are
proposed
in
this
backup.
J
We
didn't
including
that
in
the
backup,
but
they
are,
we
do
have
engineered
drawings
for
those
turn
lanes
that
were
to
be
installed.
A
A
Okay
and
it's,
I
guess
it
would
be
a
a
right
turn
in
if
you're
heading
east
and
then,
if
you're
traveling
west,
you
would
have
a
separate
turn
lane.
You'd
pull
off
into
the
traffic
would
continue
going
west.
Is
that
correct.
A
Yes,
okay
and
then
in
the
back
up.
It
also
says
that
the
347
000
includes
a
credit
for
dirt
and
also
the
storage
right.
A
Okay,
so
essentially
that's
on
top
of
the
347.,
so
I'm
not
too
much
worried
with
the
storage
value,
but
you
know
what
the
value
of
the
dirt
was
specifically.
J
A
So
what
was
the
when
somebody
mark
or
bob,
I
think,
gave
reference
into
the
and
and
what
they
said
that
the
I
guess
there
was
some
back
and
forth,
or
there
was
a
time
when
we
thought
we
had
reached
a
deal,
but
the
developer
then
made
different
claims
throughout
the
course
of
time.
That
varied
in
in
price
is
that
right
are
buried
in
settlement
cost.
F
That
went
over
too
long
a
period
on
to
my
satisfaction,
because
we'd
already
worked
the
numbers
out
and
was
waiting
for
their
signature,
which
they
never
got,
and
then
obviously
we
found
out
down
the
road,
however
long.
That
was
why,
because
they
weren't
known
to
make
more
claims
of
money,
we
owed
them.
A
Bob,
if
you
can
find
out
that
sidewalk
estimate,
I
would
really
appreciate
it
at
least
give
me
a
linear
foot
cost
something
to
work
off
of.
So
my
thinking
is
this.
You
know
I
I
objected
to
part
of
this
road
construction,
like
literally
probably
my
first
two
months
on
the
commission
years
ago,
and
part
of
that
objection
was
to
the
fact
that
we
don't
have
a
heart.
A
We
lost
the
opportunity
for
a
hard
corner
at
safford
avenue
in
the
mears
boulevard
extension
and
the
roads,
don't
connect
from
the
union
academy,
neighborhood
with
exception
to
levis,
or
at
least
gross
and
lincoln,
don't
and
it's
kind
of
a
bare-bones
project
in
terms
of
it's
miami
curving,
it's
not
a
real
curve
and
we
don't
have
sidewalks.
A
So
you
know
I
can
sympathize
with
the
developer
as
it
relates
to
unforeseen
costs,
and
you
know
things
of
that
nature
and
also
having
these
100
or
so
residents
lined
up
to
move
in,
and
I
think
we
all
can
appreciate
the
economic
engine
that
these
this
apartment
complex
will
be.
As
stated
in
the
in
some
of
the
backup
it's
a
45
million
dollar
deal.
So
you
know
that
said
I
can
appreciate
the
the
road
being
90
percent
done
and
trying
to
give
them
a
see,
a
partial
co
on
buildings.
A
Three
and
four,
although
you
know
I
did
not
in
this
sitting,
take
into
consideration
what
the
mayor
said,
which
is
you
have
that
many
people
utilizing
alternate
19
now
on
the
other
roads
without
the
ability
to
use
meers
boulevard,
which
is
truly
how
this
project
was
laid
out
and
designed.
A
You
know,
given
what
the
city
attorney
said
as
it
relates
to
avoiding
litigation.
I
too
would
favor
that,
but,
as
far
as
the
renegotiation
of
this
deal,
I
mean
it's
not
347
000,
if
you
just
use
the
127.
On
top
of
that,
you
know
it's
460,
something
thousand,
so
you
know
my
my
feeling
would
be
if
we're
at
a
point
where
we,
where
we
need
to
renegotiate
or
we
want
to
renegotiate
or
they
need
to
renegotiate
I'd
like
to
see
the
sidewalks
included
from
safford
avenue
to
the
scale
house.
H
H
I
Can
I
just
get
a
clarification,
commissioner?
That's
just
from
safford
to
the
scale
house
not
stafford
to
distance.
A
Let's
see,
I
guess
it
would
be
the
lettuce
yeah
I
mean
you
know,
I'm
not
ultimately,
I'd
like
to
try
and
make
a
deal
here
right.
I
mean,
I
think
that
they've
certainly
done
a
great
improvement
for
that
area,
and
you
know
I
don't
see
I
mean
I
would
like
to
go
to
distant,
but
maybe
we
can
include
from
the
scale
house
to
this
and
then
the
bid
that
bob
proposed
you
know
for
when
we
redo
the
scale
house,
but
I
mean
you
know:
1400,
linear,
feet's,
a
pretty
good
chunk.
A
A
Mayor,
I
don't
have
any
other
comments
if
you'd
like
to
move
on
okay,
commission
donovan.
H
Yeah,
thank
you,
mayor,
pretty
consistent
with
your
statements
mayor,
I'm
fine
with
the
payment
amount,
but
I
don't
want
to
grant
any
occupancy.
I
mean
frankly,
I
don't
know
who
told
them
to
go
ahead
and
offer
you
know
leasing
when
the
road
completion
wasn't
even
within
sight,
so
I
don't
have
much
to
say
on
it,
but
a
deal's
a
deal
and-
and
I
don't
want
to
grant
him
occupancy.
L
Thanks,
I
have
some
questions:
city
manager,
of
course
I
I
think
you
mentioned
in
just
conversation
with
you-
that
there
was
a
reason
why
we
brought
this
forward.
Now
there
was
some
tied
to
september
1st.
Is
that
correct.
F
L
F
They
want
to,
they
want
the
occupancy
to
begin
september.
1St
again,
I'm
not
sure
that's
going
to
happen,
even
if
we
make
an
agreement,
because
the
building
official
obviously
has
to
be
comfortable
to
make
that
thing,
but
but
they
wanted
it
by
september,
1st
or
as
soon
as
possible.
F
L
L
Did
the
building
official
give
it
give
you
a
better
estimate
of
from
a
realistic
time
frame
of
when
either
the
two
buildings
would
be
ready
for
occupancy.
F
L
Did
I
almost
hate
to
ask,
I
don't
know
if
he's
on
on
on
the
screen
or
in
the
meeting,
but
exactly
what
is
a
temporary
certificate
of
occupancy?
L
I
mean
is
that,
based
on
a
certificate
of
occupancy,
in
its
condition
to
getting
all
the
site,
amenities,
complete
or
subject
to,
revocation,
if
something
doesn't
go
right
and
we've
got
families
living
in
there
and
the
seals
were
drawn
and
these
families
have
to
move
out
kevin's.
M
Yeah,
I'm
here
how
you
doing
mayor
commissioners,
kevin
powell
building
development
director,
a
temporary
certificate
of
occupancy
gives
us
the
ability
to
grant
occupancy
to
a
building
or
property.
That's
not
100
complete,
which
in
this
case
the
other
buildings
aren't
complete.
However,
we
have
two
completed
buildings
and
they're
trying
to
occupy
those
buildings.
M
What
we
need
from
them
would
be
our
closeout
documents
checklist,
so
they
would
need
to
contact
our
office
for
the
the
checklist
is
what
they
have
to
turn
in.
So
if
they
started
turning
in
everything
tomorrow
morning,
if
the
board
agreed
with
the
september
1st,
we
would
probably
be
looking
at
getting
through
all
the
documents
that
are
needed
to
be
turned
in
and
potentially
within
that
week
or
so
start
granting
occupancy
of
the
two
buildings.
M
What
that
does
for
us
is,
as
you
were
saying,
commissioner,
once
you
get
families
in
those
buildings,
we're
we're
really
not
going
to
push
them
back
out
of
a
building
once
they're
in
there
so
saying
that
it's
a
temporary
certificate
of
occupancy
for
those
two
buildings
is
almost
realistically
a
certificate
of
occupancy
for
those
two
buildings,
because
we
are
never
going
to
move
the
folks
back
out
of
those
buildings
once
they're
in
unless
there
is
a
catastrophic,
catastrophic
life
altering
event
that
can
happen
with
the
buildings.
L
Okay,
I
mean
you
could
kind
of
continue
on
infinite
on
this
from
life
safety
hurricanes.
All
this
other
stuff.
But
let
me
just
stop
there.
You've
answered
the
question
I
I
have
a
is
this
contract
still
with
ats?
Is
that
we're
still
under
the
original
lfs
from
208?
Or
was
it
reassigned
to
someone
else?
C
It's
not
the
same
company
it's
crp
now
and
those
that
would
be
the
entity
that
we're
it
would
be
entering
into
the
agreement
with.
C
L
J
L
But
but
okay,
so
the
the
lfs
allowed
direct
contract
with
american
engineering,
but
they
hired
sycamore
and
then
he
in
turn
subcontracted
with
american
engineering.
L
So
that's
another
displacement
from
us
not
directly
under
contract
to
engine
american
engineering
is
not
directly
under
contract
to
them.
Do
we
know
whether
pinellas
county
agreed
to.
L
Okay,
so
that
was
1.8
million
dollars
and
our
part
of
this
contract
was
1.4,
so
this
347,
plus
the
the
credit,
is
just
a
little
over
that
1.8
million
dollars.
L
I
assume
that's
what
we
have
to
as
far
as
a
tool:
okay
and
then
in
that
lfs
we're
hanging
our
hat
on
this
phase,
three
provision
where
until
phase
three
is
complete,
which
is
the
entire
roadway
substantially
complete
they're,
not
getting
any
certificate
of
occupancy
with
regard
to
non-commercial
in
and
to
the
residential,
because
the
original
fs
was
for
mixed
use.
So
I
assume
that's
what
we're
doing.
L
L
That's
correct,
okay
and
who,
who
created
or
who
developed,
that
cost
estimate
of
347
000?
Is
that
direct
cost,
or
is
that,
based
on
some
estimate.
L
C
So
I've
not
specifically
talked
to
them
about
whether
it's
take
it
all
or
leave
it.
That's
the
way
I
assumed,
because
those
are
the
negotiated
terms
across
the
board.
If
it's
not
something
that's
acceptable
to
the
to
the
board
of
commissioners,
then
we're
going
to
go
back
to
them
and
tell
them
what
what's
acceptable.
C
These
were
terms
that
we
thought
were
reasonable
and
that's
how
we
got
to
this
point.
But
ultimately,
you
make
the
decision.
You
give
us
direction,
how
you
want
us
to
handle
it,
but
but
I
think
that
we
came
to
the
position
that
this
was
a
fair
way
of
handling
it.
Understanding
the
fact
that
the
agreement
provides
that
the
ceo
is
not
in
they're
not
entitled
to
that
co
until
they're
done.
L
Okay,
so
if
just
procedurally,
if
the
commission
was
to
reject
this
request
this
evening,
then
the
proper
approach
would
be
to
move
to
approve
and
then
there
would
have
to
be
three
votes
denying
it
in
order
for
that
to
go
back
to
them
and
say:
well,
this
didn't
work.
Do
you
want
to
come
up
with
something
else
or-
or
I
guess
I'm
trying
to
get
a
feel
for
how
this
is
going
to
work?
L
I
I'm
uncomfortable
with
providing
a
temporary
certificate
of
occupancy
for
the
reasons
why
other
commissioners
and
the
mayor
stated
this
evening,
I
I
think
it
would
breaking
would
be
breaking
a
promise
to
the
public
up
to
this
point,
regardless
of
the
number
of
units
that
would
be
occupied,
although
they
did
say
it
would
take
a
couple
of
months
to
get
120
units
filled,
but
but
despite
that,
it's
a
promise
to
the
public
and
I'm
not
willing
to
break
that
promise.
L
Yet
the
347
000
seems
to
be
acceptable
to
some
commissioners,
although
I'm
not
sure
that
myself,
given
what
commissioner
tara
pani
picked
up
on
that
this
may
not
be.
This
may
not
be
the
end
of
their
request
for
reimbursement
as
well.
L
So
what
I'd
like
to
do,
and
what
I
would
what
my
position
is-
is
to
reject
the
entire
offer
and
have
the
city
attorney
go
back
and
cross
t's
and
eyes
with
something
that
would
work
short
of
giving
a
certificate
of
occupancy
to
the
two
buildings,
I'm
not
comfortable
with
approving
any
money.
Thinking
that
they're
going
to
come
down
the
road.
The!
Let
me
ask
you,
this
city
attorney
trash
that
that
last
that
they
would
not
hold
us
to
any
more
charges.
Is
that
yours,
or
is
that
their
did?
C
I
gave
the
list
in
bullet
point
form
to
the
attorney.
He
spoke
to
his
client
and
they
came
back
and
they
approved
those
general
terms
in
bullet
point
form.
So
all
of
the
items
that
are
listed
in
the
agenda
were
agreed
to
in
in
general
back
to
your
question,
though,
relative
to
how
this
would
happen,
but
you
have
a
rule
of
procedure
2-157
that
provides
that
you
are
to
make
all
your
motions
in
the
affirmative
and
then
vote
it
up
or
down.
C
So
that's
how
it
would
happen
if
you're
going
to
vote
it
down
mark
and
bob,
and
I
really
need
some
direction
from
you
as
to
what
what
are
the
items
that
you
want
us
to
key
in
on
to
get
the
deal
done.
You
know
within
whatever
the
next
30
days
or
so
so
we
really
need
some
direction
from
you.
Okay,.
L
I
I
you
know,
I'd
like
to
have
sidewalks
on
mirrors,
but
I
honestly
want
I'd
like
to
see
the
developer
go
away
and
let
us
handle
any
new
sidewalks.
I
mean
I
just
don't
want
them
to
be
lingering,
with
this
thing
being
held
over
our
heads
and
I'm
uncomfortable
with
the
proof
you
know
having
been
in
these
situations
before
I'm
uncomfortable,
improving
anything
tonight
without.
First
of
all,
I
I
think
that
the
certificate
of
occupancy
is
a
non-starter
with
this
commission.
Any
way
you
turn
it.
L
I
don't
think
that's
gonna
happen,
maybe,
but
I
don't
think
so.
Secondly,
it
sounds
like
there's
some,
regardless
of
what
you've
provided
in
front
of
us,
the
letter
that
the
developer
has
forwarded
kind
of
suggests
something
else
and
that
there
may
be
some
additional
attempts
to
recover
costs,
and
that's
the
thing
that's
problematic
to
me.
So
I
think
that
would
be
the
direction
I
would
offer
and
I
I
there
would
have
to
be
obviously
concurrence
by
the
commission
in
that
regard.
So
let
me
just
go
this
one.
L
I
I'm
not
supportive
of
extending
a
issuing
a
certificate
of
occupancy
to
any
of
the
buildings
at
this
point
and
number
two,
I'm
not
for
making
payment
until
we
pin
down
exactly
what
the
intentions
of
the
developer
are
with
any
future
cost
to
this
project
that
they
would
have
tried
that
they
would
attempt
to
recoup
from
the
city
and
if
they
want
the
347
they
could.
L
They
can
make
that
deal
that
they're
not
going
to
pursue
any
additional
claims
by
the
city
that
that's
my
simple
way
of
looking
at
it
mayor
that
that's
all
I
have.
B
Oh,
thank
you
have
to
listen
to
what
commission
meticulous
said.
I
think
we're
all
on
the
same
page
except
commissioner:
tara
penny
that
he's
looking
for
more
information
about
the
sidewalks.
What
I
want
is
the
340
347
000
that
we
support.
I
supported,
given
that
providing
that
this
is
going
to
be
the
final
payment,
but
in
regards
to
the
temporary
certificate,
ceo,
I'm
not
in
favor
give
him
that
till
new
year's
is
completed.
C
So
the
motion
would
be
to
approve
with
certain
conditions,
or
you
just
vote
this
down,
and
I
think
that
us
listening
to
what
you're
saying
we're
going
to
gain
a
consensus
as
to
the
direction
that
you
want
so
far.
I've
heard
it
looks
like
no
cos
for
sure
and
as
for
the
payment
of
the
money,
some
commissioners
feel
that
it's
appropriate
to
pay,
but
we
would
not
want
to
pay
it
until
we
have
some
agreement
as
to
what
the
payment
is
actually
for.
L
C
Because
it's
you
know,
that's
what
the
the
general
terms
are
agreed
to
by
the
other
attorney.
If
so,
some
of
them
not
acceptable,
then
I
don't
think
that
it's
a
deal
that
that
we
can
consummate.
So
we
need
to
start
over
again,
but
I
see
that
we've
got
some
direction.
You
know
we
this.
This
may
be
a
non-issue
in
six
weeks
if
the
road
is
completed
or
two
months,
but
we
don't
really
want
to
be
spinning
our
wheels.
C
If
they're
going
to
complete
this
in
weeks,
then
they
you
know
they
they
want
to
start
instead
of
september
1st
september
15th
or
october
1st
we're
gonna,
it's
it's
a
it's
a
rush
for
nothing
basically
other
than
a
couple
of
weeks,
so
I'm
hoping
that
they
can
complete
it
within
six
weeks
and
it's
basically
going
to
be
a
non-issue.
C
But
I
am,
I
am
concerned
about
the
litigation,
and
I
thought
it
was
a
good
result
that
we
could
include
a
general
release
of
any
further
claims
with
the
payment
of
this
money
based
upon
the
terms
that
we
had
talked
about
mayor.
I
Yeah,
I
just
want
to
touch
on
a
couple
things
I
I
mean
first,
I
think
commissioner
terrapani
brought
up
a
good
point
and
a
good
idea
of
how
to
maybe
leverage
some
other
points
in
the
project
that
we
want
to
see
done,
but
I
think
it's
also
important
to
include
the
credits
and
the
347
so
realistically,
we're
not
paying
them
347
on
the
city's
portion,
we're
paying
them
467,
000
or
so,
or
472
000
with
the
dirt
credit
and
the
storage
credit,
so
that,
although
the
credit
was
built
in
I
mean
it's
still
dollars
out
of
our
pocket,
if
we
needed
to
use
that
filter
somewhere
else
in
the
city
to
acquire
it
etc.
I
So
I
think
that's
something
to
include
in
this
that
it's
not
just
a
347
thousand
dollar
payment
for
what
the
city
asks
for
and
improvements
in
the
current
over
the
original
plan.
I
also
think
it's
important
to
direct
the
city
manager
and
I'm
sorry
in
the
attorney,
both
of
them
that
it's
a
full
release
of
the
claims
of
any
further
claims
and
any
future
claims
of
any
additional
new
costs.
So
I'm
on
board
for
that
as
well
too,
but
to
me
I
think
it
would
be.
I
I
think
it
would
be
advantageous
of
the
commission
to
to
make
some
type
of
motion
as
well
to
to
say
this
is
what
we
will
approve
and
then
I
think
it
goes
back
and
other
developer's
plate
to
say
yes
or
no,
because
at
that
point
it
could
be
well.
Will
they
take
this?
Will
they
take
this?
I
Will
they
take
that
situation,
but
if
there's
an
opportunity
to
add
a
sidewalk
in
here
too,
I
mean
I'm
not
against
that,
but
I
think
it's
pretty
creative,
but
I
mean
it
didn't
seem
like
the
rest
of
the
board
was
interested
in.
A
That
sure
thank
you.
I
just
wanted
to
make
a
couple
more
points
and
then
try
and
give
as
clear
direction
as
I
can
on
where
I'm
at
bob
regarding
the
dirt
and
the
storage
that
service
and
that
product
has
already
been
rendered
right.
They
already
have
that.
A
A
J
Well
and
widening
the
road
and
the
extra
drainage
required
and
storm
water
runoff,
because
you
have
more
impervious
so.
A
Gotcha
I
mean
you
know,
my
thinking
is:
is
this
obviously
from
the
developer
side,
if
you
were
to
think
for
them,
you
know
it's,
it's
a
numbers
game
in
terms
of
how
quickly
they
can
rent
these
times
x,
number
of
units
and
then.
I
A
Right
so
they
clearly
want
to
make
a
deal,
and
rightfully
so
I
mean
I
can't
tell
you
how
many
times
I've
had
conversation
over
the
years
had
conversations
with
mark
and
publicly
voted
to
not
grant
any
kind
of
modification
as
it
relates
to
this
deal.
With
these
with
this
developer,
I
mean
from
the
property
that
we
sold
them
or
the
deal
that
went
sour
with
the
hospital
that
we
were
in
with
them.
I
mean
across
the
board.
A
We
have
never
amended,
as
the
attorney
said,
we
have
never
amended
this
deal,
so
I'm
at
a
point
where
they're
far
enough
along
and
it's
enough
of
an
investment
to
where
you
know
pending
it's
nothing
crazy,
like
six
weeks
impending
recovered
everywhere
else,
as
it
outlines
in
this
memo,
and
we
get
a
you
know,
not
a
leather,
no
for
further
action,
but
a
a
full
release
from
the
developer.
A
You
know
putting
any
kind
of
litigation
in
the
rearview
mirror
if
we
could
make
a
deal
for
the
sidewalks
or
something
else
that
would
be
of
value
to
the
public,
the
broader
public,
especially
this
given
neighborhood,
I
mean,
if
you
think
about
it,
you
know.
The
reason
I
picked
to
levis
is
because
at
at
least
from
levis
you
can
pick
up
the
union
academy
neighborhood
and
have
a
sidewalk,
the
first
available
crossroad,
and
it's
also
the
road
that
the
school's
on.
A
So
for
me,
I'm
at
a
point
where
I
see
the
value
in
making
making
a
final
deal.
A
I
tried
to
illustrate
that
the
number
that
we're
giving
to
them
with
the
credit
and
the
amount
that
they're
asking
for
in
terms
of
what
we're
getting
for
it
back.
I
think
I
think
that
we're
being
favorable
towards
them
with
that
347
plus
the
127.,
so
if
they
give
us
approximately
1400
feet
of
sidewalks
whatever
side,
I
would
defer
to
you
bob
on
the
north
side
of
the
road
or
the
south
side
of
the
road.
All
things
considered,
you
know
I'm
ready
to
make
a
deal.
F
Commissioner
tarpani,
yes,
sir
bob
tom
function
answered
my
call
and
he
says
thirty:
five
dollars,
linear
foot.
I
B
L
I
do
mayor,
I
I
I'm
my
my
feeling
on
the
developers
he's
already
shown
his
fan.
I
mean
this,
isn't
we're
hearing
it
for
the
first
time
that
there's
some
there
could
be
some
litigation
pending,
but
it's
nothing
new,
at
least
if
you've
spoken
to
the
city
manager
about
this
matter.
This
has
been
brewing
for
a
while,
and
so
I'm
just
I'd
like
for
this
person
to
go
away.
L
I
think
the
ideas
of
sidewalks
are
great,
but
I
think
at
this
point
I
just
I
who
knows
what
would
happen
if
they
start
building
sidewalks
for
us.
At
this
point,
I
I
don't
think
that's
safe
either.
L
So
I
think
all
the
ideas
are
good,
but
the
matter
before
us
are
the
terms
that
have
been
presented
to
us
by
the
city
attorney
and
unless
there's
a
a
you
know,
majority
of
the
commission
that
wants
to
approve
both
the
the
347
000
and
the
certificate
of
occupancy
for
two
of
the
buildings
120
units
and
perhaps,
although
we're
not
for
sure
of
no
further
pending
claims
against
the
city.
L
And
if
there's
a
majority
against
that,
then
I
think
that
this
offer,
as
the
city
attorney
has
recommended,
needs
to
be
denied.
And
then
he
can.
The
city
attorney
can
take
all
the
discussion
that
he
served
tonight
and
go
back,
including
commissioner,
tara,
panty's
discussion
on
sidewalks
and
things
like
that
and
come
back
to
us
with
a
round
two
on
this
thing.
But
I
don't
know
that
we
can
just
modify
our
you
know
motion
to
start
wheeling
and
dealing
through
publicly
through
these
motions
that
we're
sending
back
to
the
to
the
developer.
L
I
I
just
my
experience
is
when
the
our
city
attorney
makes
representations
that
this
is
what
they
said.
I
don't
think
it
matters
whether
there's
a
3-2
vote
that
supports
that
or
not.
I
think
it's
our
city
attorney
representing
us
in
this
matter.
I
have
a
lot
more
faith
in
that
than
than
anything
else.
So
that's
all
I
want
to
say
mayor.
Thank
you.
Well,.
B
Again,
I
just
want
to
make
it
clear
that
my
the
way
I
will
support
that
is
the
local
funding
agreement.
He
says
it
very
clear
that
it
will
be
no
ceo
issued
to
the
to
this
project
unless
meters
is
completed,
and
I
will
stick
to
that.
B
We
need
a
motion
on
this
idea.
Please.
B
Oh,
that's,
yes,
you're,
absolutely
correct!
We
need
to
do
that.
Miss
jacobs,
have
we
received
any
emails.
H
Just
just
to
clarify
with
our
city
attorney,
you
want
a
motion
to
approve
and
then
we
vote
it
down.
That's
what's
easiest
for
you!.
C
Yeah,
that's
what
your
rules
and
procedures
say
rule
well
under
section
2-1,
517
parent,
a
it
says
all
motion
shall
be
set
forth
in
the
affirmative.
Okay,.
L
C
L
I
B
Mr
trask,
yes,
sir,
thank
you
you,
you
already
know
our
our
feelings
and
the
direction
that
we've
given
you.
C
B
Okay,
well
now
go
to
the
ordinance
and
resolutions.
Item
number:
nine
is
resolution
2020-49
ratification
of
executive
orders,
mr
attorney,
if
you
please
read
to
a
resolution.
C
Yes
mayor,
this
is
resolution
2020-49
a
resolution
of
the
board
of
commissioners
of
the
city
of
turpin
springs
florida
ratifying
executive
order,
2020-26
and
extending
the
declaration
of
local
state
of
emergency
to
august
25th,
2020
and
providing
for
an
effective
date.
Here
of
there
was
a
rating
of
resolution
2020-49
by
title
online.
B
Thank
you,
mr
liquorice,
do
you
have
any
staff
report.
B
Here
now
on,
ms
jacobs,
have
we
received
any
emails?
No
email,
mr
jump.
Do
we
have
anyone
that
is
wishing
to
speak
on
this
item.
B
Sir,
thank
you
and
rocco
that's
an
improvement.
I
need
a
motion
and
wrong
accomplish.
I
B
E
B
C
You
mayor
this
is
resolution.
2020-50
a
resolution
of
the
board
of
commissioners
of
the
city
of
tarpon
springs
florida
ratifying
executive
order,
2020-27,
which
reinstates
utility
non-payment,
utility
penalties,
fines
and
code
enforcement
board
compliance
provisions
of
the
city
code
that
were
previously
suspended
pursuant
to
executive
order,
2020-02
as
ratified
by
the
board
of
commissioners
in
resolution
2020-14,
beginning
october,
1,
2020
and
providing
for
an
effective
date.
There
was
a
reading
of
resolution
2020-50
by
title
only.
F
F
As
far
as
suspending
the
shutoffs,
the
penalties
also
we're
one
of
the
last
communities.
I
think
in
the
last
one
last
agendas,
I
showed
you,
the
cities
and
most
of
them
are
back
to
the
way
it
was
by
september
1st,
some
even
in
july,
the
county
in
june
july
august,
returning
by
october,
1
were
one
of
the
latest.
Returning
during
that
process,
again
ron
herring
and
especially
irene
jacobs
in
the
clerk's
office,
have
been
involved
with
notifying
the
public
of
where
they
could
get
resources
on
the
county
money.
F
Other
resources
to
do
that.
As
I
told
you
at
the
last
meeting,
it's
time
to
reinstate
october
1.,
irene
irene's,
the
architect
of
the
document,
you
had
the
reinstatement
plan.
You
know
she,
you
know
with
only
a
little
help
from
me
and
some
ron
herring
but
she's
the
architect.
You
can
see
the
efforts
we're
taking
to
get
the
information
to
our
citizens,
giving
them
recourse,
giving
them
a
plan
for
how
they
make
up
for
the
money
they
owe.
F
I
think
she
was
very
thorough,
and
this
is
as
good
of
the
reinstatement
plan
as
I've
seen
from
any
of
the
cities
and
stuff,
so
I
think
we're
taking
every
step
possible
for
our
citizens
and
reinstating
this,
and
we
seek
approval.
If
you
have
questions
about
doreen's
statement
plan,
I'm
sure
irene
can
can
answer
them,
because
she
took
a
lot
of
time,
researching
and
again
being
the
architect
of
this.
F
B
Mr
curtis,
I
got
additional
information
on
that.
I
had
my
monthly
meeting
with
the
academy
commissioner,
david
eggers
and
the
mayors
of
north
panelis.
One
of
the
things
we
talked
about
was
the
pinellas
cares
program
which
providing
finance,
assist
financial
assistance
to
individuals,
nonprofit
organizations
and
local
business,
providing
local
business
grants.
B
The
information
that
I
was
able
to
get
the
pinellas
county
have
received
49.4
million
dollars
from
the
federal
government
for
this
program
and
after
this
day
they
spend
16.1
million.
They
still
have
33
million
dollars
left
to
help
the
people
of
monalis
county,
of
course,
including
tarpon,
springs
and
they're,
getting
ready
now
to
to
send
information
out
to
provide
the
local
business
grants
and
but
the
process
of
doing
the
individual
finance
assistance
and
also
for
non-profit.
B
So
it's
just
a
matter
of
calling
or
going
to
the
website
and
apply
for
it
or
call.
B
L
F
L
One,
I
I
just
I'm
sure
the
the
counseling
efforts,
or
at
least
the
communication
of
the
information
that
you
just
said,
is
going
to
be
other
than
announcing
it
tonight
is
going
to
be
shared
with
the
public
and
and
city
manager,
of
course,
or
city
clerk
jacobs.
I
that's
accurate.
Is
that
correct.
F
B
E
I
B
F
Yes,
from
a
previous
meeting,
you
were
asked
to
bring
back
items
that
were
ready
to
go
forward
to
ask
for
state
appropriations.
F
Mr
roberson
gave
you
a
memorandum
that
has
three
of
those
projects.
Obviously
you
know
we've
talked
about
for
a
long
time.
The
number
one
is
the
sponge
doc
flooding
abatement
system,
so
the
other
two
are
the
mlk
south
springs
abatement
and
reconfiguration
roundabout
and
the
mango
street
improvements
phase.
F
Two,
as
you
know,
we're
going
to
be
starting
on
the
phase
one,
but
due
to
the
cost
of
phase
two,
we
don't
have
the
funding
for
it
yet
so
those
are
the
three
project
ready
and
with
enough
information
remember,
we
have
to
have
enough
information
to
bring
forward
to
get
the
legislative
representatives
to
move
it
forward.
These
are
three
that
we
have
so
per
the
per
the
meeting
where
you
ask
for
this.
F
These
are
back
to
you
for
your
consideration
of
putting
the
packets
together,
getting
them
to
the
right
people
and
getting
them
to
the
mayor
to
go
to
tallahassee,
as
he's
promised,
to
do
and
and
to
go
lobby
to
try
to
get
us
money
that,
hopefully,
something
won't
happen
to
at
the
last
minute,
like
some
of
our
previous
ones.
B
Well,
I'm
I'm
ready
to
go
to
tallahassee.
Are
there
any
commission
comments.
I
Thanks
mayor,
I
just
want
to
say
thanks
to
the
staff
I
feel
like
this
is
an
important
effort
to
do
each
year,
regardless,
if
the
state
moves
forward
with
them
or
not.
I
think
it's
good
to
be
in
front
of
the
state
regularly
they're,
giving
out
or
dishing
out
money
each
year
to
different
municipalities
and
local
governments,
so
I
think
tarpon
should
be
there
if
you're
asking
for
something.
I
I
So
I
think
these
are
all
valid,
valid
projects
to
request
they're
all
I
guess
they
all
interact
with
transportation
too,
to
an
extent
as
well
in
these
areas.
So
I
just
want
to
say
thanks
again
for
staff
coming
back
from
the
direction
for
the
board,
thanks.
L
Good
with
that
I'll
support
it
for
unit
unanimity
of
the
commission,
both
this
item
and
the
next
one,
but
I
do
have
some
questions
for
actually
it's
information
from
the
commission
that
mlk
and
south
spring
flooding
abatement
project.
L
Mr
robertson,
I
spoke
about
this
a
little
bit
this
morning
as
well,
and
he
provided
me
the
report
that
cardinal
did
from
back
in
november
of
2019.
So
I
appreciated
that
information
which
gave
a
little
bit
of
the
background.
L
I
noticed
in
the
and
maybe
it's
more
of
a
question-
I'm
not
sure
how
this
appropriations
works
on
the
proposed
state
request
for
construction,
we're
showing
473
thousand
600
is
that
does
that
include
the
127
000?
Or
is
it
separate
from
that.
L
Okay,
so
does
this
information
go
to
the
does
the
information
or
how
we
come
up
with
these
costs,
go
to
the
state
as
part
of
the
application.
F
Yes,
they've
got
an
application
that
you
fill
out.
I
think
in
one
of
the
past
backups
we
gave
you
an
example
of
what
we
did
last
year
for
the
sponge
docs
flooding
abatement
one.
So
you
can
see
what
has
to
be
filled
out
for
all
these
things
to
go
forward.
So.
L
I
do
want
to
point
out
that
the
the
construction
estimate
of
473
000
in
that
report
that
was
done
by
cardinal
for
the
total
cost,
the
construction
part,
is
actually
372
000,
not
500
000.
The
total
cost
of
the
project,
which
includes
the
design
work,
is
473
619.
Is
that
going
to
make
a
difference.
F
We'll
we'll
we'll
look
at
that
and
before
we
do
the
documents
and
stuff
I'll
get
with
mr
robertson
and
we'll
we'll
double
check
that.
L
We're
showing
the
50
000
is
what
the
expected
cost
is
for
flooding,
flood
control,
and
it's
just
a
wedge
number,
and
I
I
guess
how
much
work
have
we
done
in
that
area?
Can
somebody
answer
that
city
manager,
of
course,
is
mr
robertson
still
there
or
no.
L
All
right
well
we're
just
showing
this
as
fifty
thousand
dollars.
I
my
suspicion.
It's
going
to
cost
a
lot
more.
The
proposal,
actually
alternative,
too,
is
what
we're
looking
at
raises
that
elevation
of
the
road
by
one
and
a
half
feet,
and
I
also
want
to
point
out
to
the
commission
that
what
we're
submitting
still
does
not
have
a
pedestrian,
sidewalk
or
a
bicycle
path
on
the
west
side
of
this
turning
circle.
So
that's
not
even
shown
in
the
depiction
that's
going
to
be
an
additional
cost
to
what
we've
already
shown.
L
If
we're
planning
on
establishing
a
pedestrian
or
bicycle
trail,
and-
and-
and
I
guess
my
last
question-
is
what
happens
if,
if
the
state
approved
that
let's
say
they
don't
approve
the
the
which
I
hope
they
do,
the
one
at
the
sponge
stocks.
But
what
happens
if
they
approve
this
one
or
approve
all
three
of
them?
They
approve
this
one
and
for
whatever
reason,
it's
determined.
It's
infeasible
for
a
rising
variety
of
physical
constraints,
or
perhaps
the
residents
don't
want
it.
L
We're
not
really
even
at
first
base
on
this
project
other
than
having
produced
a
report
and
discussed
it
twice.
I
think
since
november,
what
happens?
If
that
funding
is
appropriate
and
for
some
of
the
reason
we
we're
painting
ourselves
in
the
corner
that
we've
got
funding,
but
the
residents
for
some
other
reason
doesn't
want
it.
F
L
I
suspect,
you've
seen
my
memorandum
from
this
morning.
I'm
going
to
support
this
appropriations,
things
for
unanimity
of
the
city,
but
I
have
very
little
confidence
that
it's
going
to
turn
out
the
way,
we're
we're
depicting
it
right
now,
even
to
the
extent
that
it
may
not
even
be
feasible.
I
still
have
the
same
issues
that
I
did
last
night.
I
shared
those
with
mr
robertson
and
he
confirmed
very
little
work
if
anything
has
been
done
in
those
particular
areas.
L
L
So
I
I
did
not
show
you
my
markup
of
the
100
000
or
94
000
proposal
that
the
that
mr
robertson,
through
cardinal
had
provided
for
some
preliminary
design
work
for
the
spring
boulevard
riprap
project,
but
I
had
in
bold
caps
in
there
that
haste
makes
waste
and
that
we
need
to
do
it
right
if
we
do
it
at
all.
So
I
I
appreciate
what
the
commission
wants
to
do.
Pursue
this
thing
in
haste.
L
I
think
it's
at
this
point
is
particularly
premature
with
the
work
that
we've
done,
especially
with
the
elements
that
are
missing
from
it,
that
our
primary
objective
is
for
the
pedestrian
bicycle
path.
But
I
don't
want
to
take
it
anymore,
your
time
and
I
suspect
it's
going
to
pass,
but
I'm
just
for
the
record,
I'm
throwing
an
air
of
caution
to
all
of
you
this
evening.
Thank
you.
H
Yeah,
I
have
a
comment
there.
I
guess
I'm
just
confused
and
I
guess
it's
more
of
a
question
for
commissioner
vaticiotis
so
are
we?
Are
you
advocating
that
we
ask
for
less
money
from
the
state?
No.
L
My
well
right
now
the
numbers
that
are
you're
shown
in
your
memorandum
aren't
even
accurate.
My
feeling
is
that
we
don't
know
anything
about
the
flood,
control
and,
and
don't
get
me
wrong-
it's
important
that
it
be
cured.
L
I
I
that's
not
even
an
issue
with
me:
it's
not
what
we
want
to
do,
it's
how
we're
going
about
it
and,
I
think,
there's
some
basic
engineering
procedures
that
you
follow,
that
are
somewhat
sequential
and
we're
really
putting
the
carp
before
the
horse,
and
I
think
that
what's
driving
this
is
this
desire
for
a
roundabout
more
than
the
flooding,
which
at
least
that's
the
impression
I've
gotten
and
there's
nothing
wrong
with
that,
as
well
as
long
as
the
flooding
is
done.
L
Now
I'm
glad
it's
the
mayor
defending
this
and
not
me
in
tallahassee,
because
they've
got
some
pretty
sharp
people
up
there
they're
going
to
be
looking
at
that,
and
the
answer
is
yes:
if
it
costs
more,
let's
do
it
right
if
it's
200
300
400
000
for
the
flooding.
Let's
do
it
right
all
I'm
suggesting
right
now
for
50
000,
I
don't
think
you're
going
to
get
much
out
of
that
anyway.
I
hope
that
answers
your
question.
L
L
L
He's
not
on
board
I've
had
that
conversation
he's
not
ready
to
do
that.
He
doesn't
know
how
to
do
it
at
this
point
that
hasn't
been
fleshed
out
he's
just
there
is,
if
you
look
at,
if
you
look
at
the,
if
you
look
at
the
the
the
project,
cost
estimate
there's
a
number
of
details
in
there
and
what
he
described
to
me
was.
We
would
do
these
with
some
at-grade
drains
and
things
of
that
nature,
but
those
are
not
in
the
cost
system.
L
L
But
then
that
would
be
a
separate
project
to
fix
that,
and
that's
not
even
looked
at
right
now,
because
we'd
only
have
the
topography
on
it
again.
I've
looked
at
this
report
this
morning
and-
and
you
know,
commissioner
donovan.
L
It's
it
all,
I'm
going
to
tell
you
is
what
I
just
said.
I
don't
have
anything
else
to
offer
you
if
you
want
to
believe
the
staff-
and
I
told
you
what
I've
discussed
with
him
and
the
city
manager
sitting
right
there,
and
you
don't
want
to
ask
him.
That's
fine
and
I
already
said
I'm
going
to
support
the
measure
for
unanimity,
but
from
a
practical
and
a
realistic
perspective.
L
I
think
there's
extreme
high
risk
to
this
project
at
this
point,
not
because
of
what
it
wants
to
do,
but
how
we're
approaching
it
what
we
know
about
it
at
this
point,
I
think
the
numbers
are
real
soft.
When
you've
got
what
was
it
347
000
for
putting
in
two
turn
lanes
on
mirrors
that
was
347
000
and
here
we're
showing
372
000
construction
costs
for
an
entire
roundabout,
which
takes
into
account
flooding
that
we
don't
know
anything
about.
Yet
it
doesn't
take
an
engineer
to
figure
that
may
not
be.
L
H
L
L
If
that's
what
it
does
to
cure
the
problem
on
this
particular
case,
I
think
it's
going
to
be
more
than
some
in-ground
grades,
there's
nothing
if,
unless
you
want
to
say
okay,
maybe
flapper
valve's
there,
but
you
know
flapper
valves
haven't
really
worked
out
real
well
for
us
on
the
sponge
shocks
yet
so
there's
no
other
provision
for
removing
that
flooding
and,
as
the
mayor
I
believe,
said,
last
night,
it's
not
just
rain
water.
L
I
particularly
think
that's
a
solution.
I
guess
is
what
I'm
getting
at
and
the
other
part
of
this.
I
would
have
liked
to
seen
a
bike
path
that
was
brought
up.
Last
time
or
some
provision
for
a
sidewalk
on
this
on
the
west
side
of
this-
it's
not
in
there.
So
that's
going
to
be
an
additional
cost
other
anywhere.
You
look
at
and
I
prefer
the
state
to
pay
for
that.
L
B
B
Okay,
thank
you
before
I
entertain
the
motion.
I'd
like
to
ask
mr
lacroix
again:
are
you
comfortable
with
the
numbers
that
you
have
on
this
project.
F
Well,
as
I've
said
all
along
the
number
one
priority
is
the
sponge
docs
abatement,
one-
and
you
know
I've
always
felt
it's
been
my
position
that
that's
the
one
we
should
go
forward
forward
with
as
far
as
the
the
one
that
came
up,
we
approved
last
night,
when
we
do
that
engineering
work
to
to
enhance
that
and
get
that
then
I'll
be
comfortable.
When
I
see
that
additional
work
that
you
put
in
the
budget,
the
other
night,
you
know
we
do
have
a
plan
and
we
do
have
a
look.
F
But
I
agree:
I'd
be
more
comfortable
when
I
see
that
that
further
engineering
that
you
placed
in
the
budget
last
night
done
so
but
again
you
know
it's
an
item
that
that
would
be.
B
F
Again,
I'm
comfortable
with
what
that
document
is
was
supposed
to
supply
supply
is
not
the
the
end
thing
of
the
design
of
the
roundabout
and
what
actually
we
need.
I'd
be
more
comfortable
if
I
had
that
document,
but
you
know
the
information
we
have
is
the
information
we
have.
B
L
B
I
B
Yes,
thank
you
next.
Is
it
number
13
let
of
support
grant
applications
for
rebuild
florida
program
staff
report.
F
This
was
a.
This
was
also
something
you
asked
to
be
brought
back.
Mr
smith
worked
on
it
very
hard
to
have
a
letter
from
you
with
all
your
signatures.
The
suggestion
is
that
we
have
probably
10
of
the
signature
places
sign
for
all
you
and
then
your
direction
of
everyone
that
you
want
it
sent
to
so
so,
there's
your
doc.
Your
documents
are
there
with
the
signature
sheets
that
you
have
to
be
brought
back
to
support
those
different
grants
that
we've
put
in
for.
B
Thank
you.
Well,
mr
smith
called
me,
and
we
discussed
that
I,
and
I
am
good
with
that,
and
also
I
recommended
that
we
send
this
letter
to
state
representatives
all
the
state
representatives
that
we
have
and
also
I
I
suggested
that
we
send
it
to
our
congressman
as
well,
even
though
that
this
is
for
the
state,
because
we
can
use
him
as
an
influence
for
for
this
project.
I
Yeah,
I'm
in
support
of
this,
I
think
that's
a
good
idea,
I
mean
I'd,
say:
let's
go
ahead
and
say
it
to
our
senators
too.
I'm
not
sure
if
they're
liked
or
not-
but
I
know
they
all
spent
time
in
in
tallahassee
before
they
were
elected
as
senators.
So
I
think
it
would
be
a
good
idea
to
include
them
as
well.
B
I
When
I
met
with
senator
scott,
he
actually
told
me,
there's
not
a
whole
lot
that
he
can
do
from
a
budget
standpoint,
the
federal
government,
but
he
said
for
any
grants
that
he's
happy
to
reach
out
on
our
behalf
and
and
lobby
or
or
at
least
vocalize
his
support
for
it.
When
I
was
up
in
dc.
So.
B
L
E
B
I
F
Yes,
this
is
something
multiple
blc
members
have
asked
to
bring
to
the
agenda.
It's
something
that's
been
talked
about
for
the
longest
time.
As
far
as
I
can
remember,
so
the
issues
are
and-
and
let
me
tell
you
pretty
much
what
I
thought
the
intent
was.
Obviously
this
board
can
go
whichever
way
I
want,
but
the
intention
for
a
long
time
was
to
eventually
make
the
core.
The
mirrors
corridor
went
all
the
way
from
florida,
avenue
alternate
19
and
19.
F
F
You
know
that
there
would
be
some
kind
of
memorial
plaque
and
a
designation
memorial
highway
type
thing
and
renee
renee's
gonna
go
through
some
slides.
She
made
this
thing
to
make
it
a
little
more
clearer
of
some
different
types
you
could
do,
but
the
decisions
you
have
is
is,
of
course,
the
the
mango
street
which
goes
from
distant
to
19.
Is
that
going
to
be
changed
consistent?
The
mirrors?
There's,
I
don't
believe
any
addresses
on
there
is
going
to
affect
so
you
have
a
mirror's
corridor
going
through.
F
I
know
you've
got
some
discussion,
then
at
least
one
letter
from
some
residents
that
would
like
it
to
stay
mango
and
then,
of
course,
your
different
options
for
how
you
want
to
honor,
dr
diamandis,
which
we
have
some
illustrations
on
renee.
You
want
to
share
and
and
put
those
up
on
the
screen,
so
we
can
see
sure.
K
G
K
Okay,
so
make
sure
I'm
on
the
first
slide
here.
F
K
You
are
all
right,
sorry,
I'm
fighting
with
my
powerpoint
and
I
have
an
unstable
internet
connection.
It
just
told
me
so
so
just
to
frame
the
conversation.
Obviously
you
know
the
existing
mayor's
boulevard
segment,
the
unnamed
mirrors
boulevard
extension
and
then
this
is
the
mango
street
corridor
mango
street
quarter.
Sorry,
I'm
pointing
at
the
wrong
thing
again:
the
only
potentially
affected
property
owner
or
that
might
have,
if
you
change
the
mango,
the
mango
segment
to
mirrors
or
some
other
name.
K
This
property
I
initially
identified,
may
have
been
addresses
802
mango
street,
but
in
in
talking
with
shane
and
finance
on
addressing.
This
has
been
changed
to
906
908
and
910
mango
loop,
and
so,
if
you
actually
drive
out
there,
you'll
see
that
there's.
You
know,
there's
a
road
sign
now
for
this,
and
this
is
the
old
sunrise
place
of
volunteers
of
america
apartments.
So
that's
really
the
only
thing
it
would
be
affected
by
an
actual
name
change.
If
you
do
decide
to
go
that
route.
K
Obviously
you
know
if
you're
looking
at
keeping
mango
keeping
mirrors
and
maybe
naming
this
that's
problematic.
You
know
for
9-1-1
and
safety
purposes
and
addressing
and
all
kinds
of
things,
so
you
know
your
options
really.
You
know
you've
already
talked
about
them,
so
I
don't
really
need
to
belabor
that
some
other
memorial
or
honorary
options.
I
just
I
pulled
some
examples
of
of
sign
types
that
might
be
appropriate.
K
You
know
it
can
be
a
memorial,
you
know
roadway
sign,
you
know
something
that's
freestanding
or
in
conjunction
with
your
actual,
you
know
approved
state.
You
know
an
approved
road
name
or
a
memorial
plaque,
so
those
are
really
the
options
that
I
found
and
so
I'll
just
stop
there
and
that
should
frame
the
discussion
for
you.
B
Thank
you.
I
am
in
support
to
have
some
kind
of
a
memorial
sign
for
dr
d,
not
only
that
he
was
an
an
excellent
person,
but
he
always
cared
for
the
meers
boulevard
to
to
open
all
the
way
to
us.
19.
B
I
spoke
to
one
of
the
residents
which
she
sent
a
letter
for
a
commission
to
to
be
read
for
the
meeting,
but
she
is
concerned
about
she
wants
to
keep
the
the
name
the
way
it
is
the
mango
street.
B
Before
we
do
any
discussion.
I
would
like
to
ask
my
if
I
ask
mr
jacobs
to
read
the
letter.
E
The
letter
is
dated
august
24th
from
annie
dabz
of
803
south
distant
avenue.
Dear
mary
lahoozis
in
the
area
south
of
mango
street
are
two
housing
subdivisions
mango
circle
and
mango
loop.
There's
a
church
in
mango
circle.
It
was
built
in
the
early
60s
before
the
housing
authority
built
their
apartments.
The
church
oak
hill
church
of
god
in
christ,
was
built
on
land
owned
by
the
founder
of
the
church
elder
w.h
wright.
The
land
was
filled
with
mango
trees.
A
tropical
cultivated.
B
L
B
I
This
first
sentence
again
is
in
the
area
of
south
mango
street,
are
two
housing
subdivisions
mango
circle
and
mango
loop?
There's
a
church
in
mango
circle.
It
was
built
in
the
early
60s
before
the
housing
authority
built
their
apartments.
The
church
oak
hill
church
of
god
and
christ
was
built
in
the
land
owned
by
the
founder
of
the
church
elder
w.h
wright.
The
land
was
filled
with
mango
trees,
a
tropical
tree
cultivated
in
india,
and
now
his
farming
has
been
extended
worldwide.
I
I
mention
the
name
mango
because
it
is
an
important
part
of
the
history
of
the
neighborhood
mango
street
is
the
gateway
to
mango
circle
mango
loop
and
a
house
of
worship.
Mango
street
is
important
for
the
preservation
because
it
provided
a
road
to
decent
and
affordable
housing
for
the
residents
of
tarpon
springs
and
a
house
of
worship.
I
I
understand
that
historic
preservation
strengthens
neighborhoods
and
uncovers
and
memorialize
the
stories
of
communities
through
the
voices
that
built
them.
It's
no
secret
that
the
voices
most
at
risk
from
I'm
not
sure
what
that
word
is
for
sure
by
the
passage
of
time
are
the
voices
of
the
unrepresented
preservation.
The
visual
landscape
contributes
to
the
quality
of
life.
It
is
the
work
of
historic
preservation
to
protect
our
voices
and
collective
stories.
I
B
Okay,
I
think
before
we
decide
what
the
name
it
should
be,
I
think
we
should
have
a
town
hall
meeting,
so
we
get
the
input
from
the
residents.
Obviously,
now
we
got
the
input
from
mrs
dapps
and
she
said
she
spoke
to
the
neighbors
there,
but
I
think
it's
good.
If
we
hear
from
the
people
too,.
I
You
know
I'm
I'm
for
hearing
what
the
residents
say,
but
to
me
I'm
not
a
fan
of
having
a
street
with
multiple
names
on
it.
I
do
feel
that
mirrors
should
be
the
name
from
florida
avenue
to
us
19.
I
with
miss
dabs.
I
think
it's
important
to
to
to
point
out
that
she
brought
out
that
mango
loop
and
mango
circle
are
still
going
to
be
mango
and
then
there's
some
great
honorary
examples.
I
think
that
staff
has
provided
I
like
the
one,
particularly
where
the
michigan
ab
is
where
it
has
something
under
the
name
of
brother
john
michael
way,
and
it
could
be
something
along
the
lines
of
that.
It's
a
way
to
honor,
dr
is
it
diamandis.
Is
that
right.
L
A
I
Give
some
homage
to
mango
street
as
well,
so
it
could
be
like
a
double
sign
below
it
saying
mirrors
and
it
could
be
formally
known
as
historic
mango
street,
and
I
mean
I'm
always
for
putting
these
fun.
Looking
signs
like
that
blue
star
memorial,
highway
sign
somewhere
in
the
roads.
I
think
those
attract
attention
and
always
are
good
for
a
good
read
for
people
in
in
tarpon
springs
and
also
visitors.
But
I
think
that
would
be
a
great
way
to
is
what
it
sounds
like.
I
A
Yeah,
in
short,
I
basically
agree
with
the
vice
mayor
that
I
think
I'd
like
to
see.
Meers
boulevard
go
from
florida
avenue
all
the
way
to
u.s
19..
I
definitely
think
you
know
I
didn't
know
dr
d
and
I've
heard
former
commissioner
delacaz
talk
about
this.
A
Often
I
haven't
really
heard
anybody
else
speak
of
it,
but
I
I
do
know
that
he
did
come
to
the
commission
meetings
and-
and
I
know
that
it
was
a
thing
regarding
his
push
for
meers
boulevard,
so
I'm
happy
to
honor
him
in
some
kind
of
a
way
with
some
kind
of
a
memorial
sign
and
then
likewise
for
the
union
academy
neighborhood,
especially
specifically
mango
straight
in
the
circle
and
the
church.
So
if
we
can
give
some
kind
of
a
acknowledgement
to
both
parties
formally
with
some
signage,
I'm
good
with
that.
B
H
Yeah,
thank
you
mayor.
Obviously
I
I
didn't
know
dr
demandis
but
happy
to
honor
him
in
any
way
we
can.
I
would
recommend
that
we
put
in
some
type
of
memorial
sign.
One
of
the
ones
on
the
powerpoint
slide
should
do
the
trick
just
to
commend
and
honor
him
for
his
initial
suggestions
and
pushing
for
this,
but
as
far
as
the
actual
street
names
go
themselves,
I'm
happy
to
leave
it
kind
of
the
way
it
is
presented
on
the
map
with
mirrors
and
mango
street.
Remaining.
B
L
Mayor
I
I've
got
some
fairly
strong
feelings
from
a
historical
perspective.
I
knew
dr
amanda's,
as
many
of
us
did
very
personally,
and
his
interest
was
to
put.
L
But
I
don't
know
that
he
would
have
actually
gotten
involved
in
woody
name,
the
second
part
of
that
I
don't
know
that
he
would
have
had
a
preference
on
that
one
way
or
the
other,
but
I
know
him
and
I
knew
him
and
I
I
know
for
a
fact
he
would
have
not
wanted
to
rob
anybody
wrong
because
of
putting
this
road
through.
In
that
regard,
I
don't
have
an
issue
with
keeping
the
names
of
our
mango
street
and
mirrors.
L
I
think
that
I've
spoken
to
mrs
dabbs
about
this
as
well
personally,
some
time
ago,
and
there
is
some
hello.
Can
you
hear
me.
H
L
L
I
Distant
and
mlk
was
one
of
them.
I
talked
about.
L
Okay,
anyway,
I
my
feeling
is,
I
don't
have
an
issue
with
the
street
being
having
two
names
like
that,
just
to
maintain
the
historical
aspect
of
it.
I,
on
the
other
hand,
if
the
residents
feel
otherwise,
if
you
describe
mira
alohuses,
I
I
think
that
we
would
defer
to
them.
I
I
don't
know
there
is
no
good
way
of
going
by
this
I
mean,
but
for
me
you
know,
our
city
is
made
up
of
people
and
the
union
academy.
L
We've
gone
through
and
followed
through
on
a
design
that
dr
diamandis
and
many
other
people,
the
the
sally
family,
had
the
same
interest
of
getting
meers
full
of
on
through
there
as
well.
So
I
I
just,
I
think
it's
good
that
we're
putting
the
street
through.
I
just
don't,
want
to
create
or
hurt
anybody's
feelings
in
that
regard.
So
I
think
from
commissioner
donovan's
observation.
He
and
ally
are
along
the
same
lines.
B
Yeah,
I
I
still
think
it's
a
it's
a
good
idea
to
get
the
input
from
the
residents
there.
You
know
and
see
what
kind
of
input
they
will
give
us.
I
think
it's
they're
going
to
live
in
the
area,
so
it's
good
to
have
their
opinion.
F
Well
again,
mayor:
this
is
a
discussion
we
would
bring
it.
Please
don't
say
another
town
hall
meetings,
I'm
trying
to
work
on
a
schedule
with
about
10
of
them
that
I'm
going
to
be
talking
to
you
about
and
getting
there
so
we'll
be
glad
to
agenda
on
an
agenda
many
times
to
get
their
input
and
things,
but
we're
a
little
stacked
on
town
hall
meetings.
K
F
K
K
It
falls
under
article
10
of
the
code
of
ordinances
and
it
spells
out
you
know
if
you're
going
to
change
the
name
of
a
facility.
First,
you
have
to
you,
do
have
to
investigate
the
existing
name
and
there's
their
historical
significance
to
it.
You
need
to
know
you
know
just
that's
part
of
the
ordinance
that
says
we
have
to
do
that.
We
have
to
notify
property
owners
and
then
notify
them
of.
K
L
Mayor
the
other
yeah,
I
just
offer
another
comment
or
two
when,
when
we
reach
out
to
the
community,
I
we
need
to
be
very
careful
with
this
as
well.
I
don't
want
to
create
an
issue
over
this
either.
So
there's
got
to
be
some
sensitivity
in
in
in
this.
L
I
guess
is
what
I'm
getting
at,
but
I
do
know
that
we
need
to
be
very
careful
that
we
don't
wind
up,
as
I
said,
hurting
people's
feelings
or
are
creating
some
kind
of
a
an
issue
over
this
when
there
really
isn't
any
so
and
also-
I
didn't
say
about
dr
diamandis's
memorial,
but
I
I
think
a
plaque
similar
to
the
blue
star
highway
plaque
would
be
fitting
as
well
and
I'm
not
sure
of
the
location,
but
certainly
some
place,
perhaps
at
at
the
trail
and
mirrors,
because
that's
where
the
new
section
started
at
least
that's
the
part
that
he
he
used
to
look
at
was
at
the
intersection
of
safford
avenue
and
mirs.
L
B
J
F
City
manager
yeah,
so
I
can
finalize
the
meet
if
I
would
ask
the
board
to
send
me
any
time
off
that
they
might
have
from
now
through
the
end
of
the
year,
I'm
trying
to
get
the
schedule
of
different
nights
to
schedule
some
of
these
meetings
that
we
have
I've
got
the
nights
identified,
but
I
know
I've
got
a
school
schedule
if
there's
anything
like
school
on
a
night
or
if
you
know
you
have
a
vacation
planned
or
some
time
you're
going
to
be
away.
F
If
you
could
get
it
to
me
sometime
this
week
or
early
next
and
then
I'll
have
a
schedule
with
you
of
some
available
days
and
some
different
meetings
that
we
have
to
have.
So
we
can
discuss
further
so
again
try
to
give
that
to
me
by
the
end
of
the
week
or
beginning
next
week,
any
any
time
from
now
to
the
end
of
the
year
where
you
may
have
off
or
any
nights
during
that
period,
where
you
may
have
a.