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From YouTube: Board of Commissioners 7-29-21
Description
Budget Workshop
A
A
C
A
The
purpose
for
tonight's
meeting
is
for
the
board
of
commissions
to
study
issues,
gather
analyze
information
and
to
clarify
questions.
No
votes
are
conducted
during
the
work
session.
No
public
comments
will
be
allowed
tonight
on.
The
budget,
however,
will
be
allowed
during
the
two
public
sessions
hearings
that
we
have
scheduled
for
tuesday
september
7th
2021
and
wednesday
september
2015
2021
to
6
30
pm.
A
A
A
C
E
E
E
G
Yeah
I
had
a
question
for
mr
haring
and
maybe
you
can
direct
me
wrong
whether
or
not
it's.
I
should
better
ask
this
to
the
board,
but
at
the
last
work
session
it
seemed
as
though
we
had
consensus.
I
just
wanted
to
confirm
moving
forward
for
some
of
the.
I
just
had
two
general
fund
recommendations.
One
was
just
an
extra
five
grand
to
cops
and
kids
for
a
possible
marquee
sign
outside
their
building.
Letting
people
know
about
the
different
events
and
registration
offers.
G
Just
it's
five
thousand
dollars
and
the
last
meeting
I
think
I
I
think
it
was
kind
of
in
like
a
question
asking
period.
So
that
might
be
my
fault.
But
essentially
I
talked
to
the
director
of
cops
and
kids
way
back
when
and
was
talking
about
their
different
budget
needs
and
something
that
they'd
like
to
do
is
just
put
one
of
those
little
marquee
signs
on
the
side
of
their
building,
similar
to
kind
of
what's
at,
like
the
elk's
lodge,
and
then
that
way
they'll
be
able
to.
G
Let
you
know
families
know
about
hey.
You
can
register
your
kid
by
this
date
or
hey,
cops
and
kids
is
doing
a
food
drop
off
on
this
date
or
different
camp
info.
That
kind
of
thing
should
probably
even
cost
less
than
five
grand.
That
was
just
something
I
decided
to
throw
in
there.
So
just
if
there's
general
board
consensus
from
that,
I'm
good.
What's.
E
G
A
H
D
E
G
A
B
F
Yes,
this
thing
here
and
it's
got
a
it
details
that
that
line
item
human
resources,
1700
advertising
jobs,
planning,
10
000,
for
advertising
for
legal
city,
clerk,
more
advertising
for
hearings,
police.
They
have
about
fifteen
thousand
for
required
advertising,
building
development,
nine
hundred
dollars
for
legal
ads,
cultural
100
for
advertising
of
jobs.
In
non-departmental.
We
have
6
000
for
the
required
budget
ad.
We
have
125
000
for
the
maintenance
reserve,
and
then
we
have
the
184
000
that
is
available
for
the
appropriation
right.
L
E
F
H
H
I
guess
it
could
also
be
a
lower
number,
but
it
could
also
be
a
higher
number
where
you
could,
where
you
could
designate
the
overage
and
where
the
overage
would
go,
whether
it
went
to
a
land
preservation
fund,
whether
it
went
to
something
else,
because
again
it's
just
an
estimate.
So
there
could
be
the
possibility
of
more
money
there.
If
you
want
to
allot
that
money
to
something
specific
in
the
general
fund.
E
E
So
I
think
it's
a
good
idea
to
at
least
allocate
those
funds
when
they
come
in
that
it
just
doesn't
go
to
the
general
fund
and
it's
it's
like
whatever
comes
up
will
spend
it.
So
if
it's
a
code
enforcement,
it's
a
blighted
property,
it's
been
a
nuisance
for
the
neighbors
has
been
a
nuisance
for
the
residents
for
many
years.
E
Let's
take
that
money,
instead
of
just
using
it
for
anything,
let's
use
it
to
beautify
the
city
and
actually
be
a
benefit
to
the
city.
So
it
could
be
for
a
quarter,
it
could
go
to
the
land
preservation
fund,
a
quarterback
could
go
to
beautification,
a
quarterback
could
go
to
the
recreation
upkeep
and
then
a
quarter
of
it
could
go
to
something
else.
I
don't
know
what
that
would
be.
Maybe
it's
a
third
a
third
and
a
third.
E
H
F
D
H
H
I
don't
we
just
have
to
agree
for
the
mount,
for
instance,
if
the.
If
this,
if
the
one
position
in
code
enforcement,
I
think
we
changed
it
because
when
the
officer
came
out,
I
think
ron
changed
how
he
classified
it,
because
we
didn't
do
the
officer,
but
we
did
the
clerk
before
I
believe
when
we
were
doing
the
accounting
and
stuff.
H
So
the
question
is:
does
that
61
000
go
back
in
the
general
fund
budget,
which
subtracts
from
your
total
that
you
have,
if
you're
going
to
allocate
the
money
for
something
else,
that's
the
decision
you
have
to
make,
because
if
it
goes
back
into
the,
if
it
goes
back
and
you're
going
to
allocate
that
60
000
to
something
else
in
the
budget,
then
that's
gonna.
That's
going
to
drop
down
the
general
fund
money
that
that
you
have
in.
H
Again,
it
would
be
the
boy
if
that's
what
the
board
wishes
to
do
if
they've
got
places.
I
know
land
preservation
has
been
mentioned
before
is
one
place
for
some
of
the
money
to
go
into
if
there
are
some
ideas
tonight
of
of
where
that
money
wanted
to
be
allotted
to,
we
can
certainly
entertain
them
tonight
because
it's
been
talked
about
for
a
while
again.
Land
preservation
is
the
one
that
stands
out
because
we've
talked
about
there's
no
place
where
we
put
land
preservation.
H
E
What's
the
advantages
of
it
so
currently,
there's
no
money
going
to
learn
land
preservation,
there's
not
really
any
dedicated
money
that
goes
to
beautification
and
then
recreation,
there's
always
improvements
that
we
have,
if
you've
seen
the
backup
of
the
capital
improvements,
there's
a
significant
amount
of
areas
that
we
need
addressing
in
the
recreation
side.
So
again,
it's
a
blighted
area.
It's
money,
that's
coming
in!
It's
just
lack
of
better
words.
It's
a
slush
fund
is
what
it
is.
F
E
D
It
could
be
but
yeah,
but
we,
but
is
that
what
we
want
to
do?
I
guess
what
I'm
getting
at.
Is
I
you're
hitting
me
cold
on
this?
I
mean
myself,
I'm
not
sure
about
the
rest
of
commission.
I'd
have
to
give
that
some
thought,
especially
if
we
want
to
play
it
off
the
assistant
that
the
city
manager
is
talking
about,
that
we're
going
to
address
at
some
point
and
how
that's
going
to
interplay
and
reduce
funds
out
of
the
general
fund
to
pay
for
this
other
assistant
as
well.
D
L
E
On
the
capital
improvement
side,
I
was
just
saying
with
the
recreation:
there's
always
a
demand
for
updating
somewhere
in
the
capital
improvement.
If
it's
fences
at
riverside
field,
if
it's
the
sister
field,
that's
running
some
issues.
If
it's
discovery
code,
it's
with
one
of
our
parks,
whatever
it
is,
there's
always
a
demand
that
we
typically
can't
catch.
We
have
to
push
something
year
over
year
right,
and
so
that's
what
I
was
saying
with
the
it
could
be
designated
like
a
third,
a
third
and
a
third
to
land
preservation.
E
L
L
Just
using
them
to
balance
different
aspects
of
the
budget
and
you're
saying
they
would
be
better
utilized
for,
like
beautification
capital,
improvement,
recreation
et
cetera,
right,
right,
yeah.
I
think
you
know.
I
think
that
makes
sense,
given
that
in
the
in
the
way
that
we're
obtaining
them
right,
the
way
we're
obtaining
them
through
code
enforcement.
Is,
you
know,
through
code
enforcement,
you're
you're
levying
a
fee
on
someone
who's,
you
know
not
abiding
by
our
codes
or
not
taking
care
of
their
house
or
whatever.
L
F
Well,
the
way
it
sits
right
now
you
have
the
excess
25
000,
which
is
built
into
the
budget
right
now
and
as
a
city
manager
was
saying.
If
you
took
out
one
of
those
positions
at
61
000,
that's
you're,
restricting
more
money
which
isn't
in
the
budget.
Now
that
61
000
would
come
off
at
184
000.
You
have
available
for
spending
so
leaving
about
120
000
available
for
spending
positions.
A
E
E
I
G
G
G
Oh
you
guys
are
just
dinging
me
dinging
me
dinging
me
to
go
into
this
fund
that
could
end
up
paying
for
whatever,
whereas
now
it
would
be,
you
know
we're
we're
justifying
it
as
our
code
enforcement
funds
that
we're
putting
on
similar
to
what
commissioner
terry
penny
said
that
we're
levying
on
people
for
having
blighted
properties
as
going
back
into
beautifying
other
areas
of
the
city
or
different
park
park
areas
or
land
preservation.
You
said.
G
L
C
H
Just
understand
it's
not
it's
not
balanced.
You
see
the
list
of
items
when
you
get
code
enforcement
revenues
we're
trying
to
have
that
revenue
offset
the
cost
for
code
enforcement,
so
these
are
all
actual
costs
of
code
enforcement.
Now,
if
you
don't
want
them
to
come
from
the
funds
that
come
in
the
fund,
then
that's
one
thing,
but
but
these
monies
here
are
dedicated
from
what
comes
in
to
pay
for
almost
like
an
enterprise
fund.
Almost
they
paid,
we
have
never
used.
H
I
mean
he
called
it
a
code,
for
he
probably
should
have
put
the
the
clerk
in
here.
Remember
we
had
a
police
officer,
the
police
officer's
money.
Never
came
from
this.
You
know
kind
of
allotment
that
we
do
the
money
towards
the
the.
I
forget
what
the
title
was
when
we
had
a
officer
now
we
got
miss
shoes,
who's,
a
civilian,
so
the
two
positions
only
one
has
been
counted
for
in
the
okay.
H
This
revenue
pace
pays
for
this,
it
doesn't
have
to
but
understand
it
somewhere
in
the
general
fund
has
to
pay
for
it
and
stuff.
So
so
again,
it's
not.
We
don't
take
that
revenue
money
and
necessarily
balance
it.
It's
it
pays
for
actual
items
in
in
in
code
enforcement,
and
you
know
again
almost
like
the
golf
course
or
enterprise
fund.
It's
just
it's
just
not
an
enterprise
fund.
It
just
goes
backward
now.
H
L
H
H
Whatever
it
is,
I
don't
know
I
don't
know
if
we
we
can
get
for
you,
the
the
the
allotment,
maybe
for
the
last
five
years
of
how
much
has
come
in
to
kind
of
see
where
that
average
is
and
where
to
go.
I
know
this
is
going
to
be
a
good.
Yes,
this
has
got
to
add
up
to
a
good
year,
which
would
be
in
essence
more
than
this
25
for
this
pat,
not
the
year
coming
up
but
this
year.
So
yes,
that
extra
money-
that's
not
allotted
that
would
be.
E
So
it's
land
preservation
fund.
We
have
a
land
preservation
fund.
I
think
I
believe
it's
not
funded
anyway
right
now.
The
only
way
it's
funded
is
when
the
city
sells
a
property
and
we
just
expense
all
that
all
the
money
out
of
that
or
depleted
it.
So
it
would
be
land
preservation,
fund,
beautification
and
recreation
improvement,
and
that
could
be
from
capital
or
it
could
be
non-capital.
E
And
right
now
the
way
it's
budgeted,
it
would
be
25
000,
but
we
initially
talked
about
having
some
type
of
plan
before
budget
season.
But
the
way
this
got
wrapped
in
this
year
is
that
these
funds
were
not
allocated
out
already.
So
we
could
prepare
for
next
budget
season
by
doing
some
type
of
ordinance
resolution
in
the
fall
so
for
fiscal
year.
23,
that's
already
built
out,
but
this
year
it
looks
like
it'd,
be
25
000.
A
G
D
I
mere
two
quick
things:
if
you
don't
mind
on
the
river
dredging,
we
there's
nothing
involving
the
general
fund
with
the
river
dredging.
Is
that
correct,
right,
correct,
okay
and
then
the
other,
and
I'm
going
to
mention
it?
I
think
this
is
okay
city
manager,
and
I
spoke
about
it.
Ms
jacobs
and
I
talked
about
it
as
well.
D
There's
a
lot
of
old
magnetic
tapes
that
are
recordings
of
old-timers
sharing
their
experiences
in
tarpon
springs
that
need
to
be
converted
to
to
digital,
and
I
think
the
city
clerk's
going
to
look
into
some
other
cities
that
may
have
a
contract
for
doing
that
and
that
may
come
up
during
the
year
sometime.
The
historical
society
has
them.
We
have
them
as
well.
There
are
some
duplications,
but
at
some
point
we
need
to
convert
those
from
magnetic
to
digital,
so
we
don't
lose
them.
So
I
just
wanted
to
mention
that.
D
A
A
You,
okay,
we
moved
down
to
the
salary
survey
just
like
to
remind
to
everyone
that
several
months
ago
I
requested
the
survey
to
help
us
understand
where
we're
standing
to
compare
our
cities
with
the
other,
to
compare
our
salaries
to
the
other
cities,
and
the
information
we
receive
is
exactly
what
I
thought.
There
are
some
positions:
they
are
not
comparable
to
to
the
other
cities
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
retain
our
employees
here.
A
H
H
Meeting
because
you
do
vote
on
those
with
the
positions
and
everything
at
a
regular
meeting,
because
they're
in
gol,
they
involve
reclassifications
positions
and
stuff.
So
so
we
will
be
discussing
public
meetings
second
meeting
august-
that's
where
we've
we've
always
done
this
and
and
brought
back
to
you
and
we'll
be
looking
at
the
salary
survey.
And
if
you
remember
from
past
year,
there's
usually
a
sheet
of
of
of
items
of
reclasses
regrades
changes,
the
positions
and
we're
working
on
that
and
that's
when
it'll
be
brought
to
you.
I
D
D
D
B
D
H
A
A
E
E
It
would
be
nice
to
have
the
salary
cover,
at
least
like
the
insurance
and
dental
for
a
family.
Just
something
to
look
at.
I
would
like
to.
I
mean
at
least
get
a
feeling
on
the
board.
I
think
it's
like
35
bucks
a
month.
I
have
to
write
a
check,
for
I
don't
know.
Ron
probably
will
let
me
know,
but
just
something
to
think
about.
E
As
a
commission,
it's
something
we've
talked
about
in
the
past
hasn't
always
been
a
favorable
like
what
we're
doing
is
for
the
love
of
tarpon,
which
we
are,
but
we're
also
exerting
a
significant
amount
of
time,
and
so
possibly
the
budget
advisory
board.
We
could
direct
them
as
a
board
to
look
at
a
little
bit
closer
for
us.
D
L
I
think
we
should
be
coming
out
of
pocket
to
be
a
commissioner.
I
mean
it's
pretty
taxing
as
it
is,
but
yeah
I
mean
you
know
it
was
floated
by
mayor
archie
a
few
years
ago
on
his
last
year.
So
he
was,
you
know,
not
compromised
when
he
floated
the
idea
of
raising
the
salary
I
mean
you
know
I
could
go
either
way
on
it.
It
doesn't
really
matter
to
me,
but
you
know
I
could
argue
in
either
direction.
You
know
if
you
raise
the
salary,
maybe
you
get
more
qualified
people.
L
A
F
M
A
Well,
all
these
positions
are
very,
very,
very
important
to
all
the
directors.
If
you
ask
them,
they
will
tell
you
their
position
is
the
most
important,
but
we
cannot
feel
all
these
positions
at
the
same
time,
so
we
needed
to
prioritize
those
positions
based
on
the
importance
of
the
position
and
the
economics.
A
So
we
asked
the
budget
advisory
committee
to
work
with
the
finance
director
and
the
active
city
manager,
mr
smith,
to
review
and
to
analyze
the
us
position
and
to
provide
us
their
recommendations
with
us
today.
Is
mr
mccloy
he's
the
chairman
of
the
of
the
budget
advisory
committee
and
now
we're
going
to
ask
him
if
you
please
come
to
the
podium
and
present
to
the
to
the
board,
your
analysis
and
their
recommendations
from
the
budget
advisory
committee.
N
Good
evening
mayor
commissioners
want
to
talk
about
first
about
a
meeting
that
we
had
yesterday
about
2
30
and
went
to.
We
had
a
hard
stop.
We
had
to
quit
it,
for
we
took
this
extremely
serious.
Obviously,
we're
not
gonna
come
back
and
tell
you.
We
recommend
a
tax
increase
to
six
points.
You
know
that'd
be
stupid,
we're
not
going
to
do
that.
We're
not
going
to
tell
you
to
go
into
the
emergency
funds.
N
N
N
N
C
N
N
N
That's
going
to
be
a
com.
Obviously
this
is
all
a
commission
decision.
But
if
you're
going
to
do
and
say
your
sustainability,
you
nee
need
it
to
be
successful.
One
person
top
that's
driving
it
down.
Now,
there's
going
to
be
sustainability
within
other
positions
such
as
paul's,
I
mean
sustainability
is
going
to
be
driven
down,
but
if
you
simply
leave
it
within,
you
know
somebody's
job
spec,
you
know
here
it
is
here's
your
main
functions
and
down
here
you
won't
have
a
sustainability.
N
N
N
N
How
do
we
fund
it?
Fair
question?
Okay,
that's
where
we
were
talking
about,
I'm
going
to
say
rough
numbers
at
that
point,
but
that
what
take
away
and
ron
will
present
this
in
the
next
few
slides
how
we
would
fund
that
again,
one
piece
without
the
other
doesn't
make
any
sense,
but
I'd
just
like
to
make
one
last
recommendation,
I
you
know
I
did
take
the
time
to
read
through
all
the
other
positions
I
what
we
concentrated
on
here
was
next
year's
budget.
N
N
L
N
Those
others
discuss
it
and
if
you
think
some
should
be
eliminated,
you
know
like
there's
no
way
in
heck
we're
going
to
the
next
three
years,
just
eliminate
it.
I
think
the
department
managers
did
a
good
job
of
justifying
it
now.
The
question
is:
what
can
we
do?
We
want
to
do
that
and
what
can
we
afford
and
if
I
could
turn
it
over
to
ron
at
this
point
be
and
come
up
with?
F
Yeah
I
mean
what
they
had
asked
you
to
do
as
a
as
a
committee
was
go
through
and
you
know
select
the
recommended
positions,
what
you
did,
the
planner,
the
construction
field,
inspector,
the
public
services
assistant
director,
public
works,
technician,
one
cyber
security,
engineer
and
sustainability
coordinator.
You
know
they
asked
you
to
look
into.
F
And,
like
I
said,
like
I'm
just
going
over
the
funding,
you
know
the
the
planner
was
general
fund
field,
inspector
split,
50,
general
fund,
50
water
and
sewer
fund,
public
services
assistant
director,
all
100
water
and
sewer
fund.
The
technician
won:
50
cra
50
general
fund
since
the
beautification
work
in
the
cra
and
the
bottom.
Two
here
we
talked
about
you
know:
reduction
in
engineering,
consulting
fees
would
be
a
possibility,
and
over
here
is
like
the
total
salaries
with
benefits
which
totals
the
477
506.
H
N
H
Say
that
I
haven't
had
a
chance
to
talk
with
ron,
I
mean
I've,
seen
this
funding
and
there's
some
differences.
I
have.
I
have
not
had
a
chance
to
get
with
ron
on
his
proposal
to
find,
I
know
going
back
to
how
we
originally
was
going
to
do
this
with
the
three
positions
I
asked
for
the
other
positions
and
the
other
ones.
I
know
ron
you
have
funded
in
the
budget
now
as
it's
before
the
commission,
you
have
those
top
three
funded.
H
Am
I
you
have
those
funded
already
in
this
budget
correct,
so
we're
really
talking
about
the
funding
for
the
other
sets
of
of
positions
that
are
on
there
and
rotten's
going
to
give
these
to
you,
but
I
still
going
to
need
more
time
to
do
it.
For
instance,
one
area
I
am
real
queasy
about
taking
any
positions
and
more
funding
out
of
the
cra.
H
I
would
rather
dig
back
in
and
find
I
just
think,
with
some
projects
coming
up
in
the
future.
In
the
cra,
we've
already
got
a
position
and
a
half
I
think
you
may
see
on
both
runs
and
on
this
one.
I'm
I'm
real,
reluctant
I'd
rather
go
back
in
with
ron
between
now
and
the
next
meeting.
That's
one
area
that
I
can
see
there
may
be
some
more,
but
just
when
ron
presents
it
to
you,
I'm
not
sold
on
either
of
the
two
fundings.
Yet
really.
H
What
I
want
to
get
an
idea
tonight
for
is
what
positions
do
you
want
me
to
find
funding
for?
We've
got
some
ideas
about
the
funding
again,
hopefully,
you've
already
funded
one
of
the
three
I
wanted.
We'll
have
a
consensus.
The
other
two
are,
I'm
still
the
position.
We
need
two
public,
it's
almost
like
policing.
One
police
officer
equates
three,
because
there's
three
shifts
I
think
in
public
works.
H
If
we're
going
to
do
something
to
enhance
what
we're
doing
there,
we
need
two
positions
and
not
one
and
again,
you
know
we've
seen
and
since
I
wrote
this
memo
on
the
friday,
we've
seen
the
push
for
sustainability.
We
still
have
an
issue
of
what
you
what
you
call
I
mean.
We've
talked
about
a
sustainability
coordinator
for
a
long
time
and
all
of
a
sudden
we've
gotten
this
discussion
about
the
director,
a
director
position.
H
We
have
been
looking
at
positions
to
quite
what
this.
What
the
scenario
is
is
that
we're
not
up
with
oldsmar
dunedin
and
clearwater
unsustainability?
They
all
have
coordinators.
We
wrote
this
position
as
a
coordinator
talking
with
the
city
manager
clearwater
about
it,
they're
not
even
ready
to
push
their
coordinator
position
to
director.
Yet
so
we've
got
a
problem
in
that
one
about.
H
We
still
have
a
dispute
and
it's
something
I'm
gonna
have
to
sit
down
with
with
paul
smith
and
probably
individually,
everybody
understandability,
because
we
need
to
try
to
get
on
board
on
what
the
process
is.
But,
besides
that,
let's
just
use
a
sustainability
position
for
now
and
and
stuff.
We
kind
of
need
to
know
where
you
want
to
go
with
that
and
look
for
funding
on
that.
How
are,
however,
it
is
so
I'd,
rather
more
look
at
the
positions
that
you
want
us
to
try
to
fund.
H
F
F
We
talked
about
either
100
percent
general
fund,
or
we
were
talking
about
50
split
general
fund
water
and
sewer
because
they
both
have
a
water
and
sewer
aspect
to
them.
So
on
this
side
here,
hopefully
it's
not
too
confusing.
I
know
I'm
a
numbers
guy
and
stuff,
but
we
got
the
general
fund
and
these
were
the
positions
prince
planner
field
inspector
technician,
one
cyber
security
sustainability.
F
This
table
is
at
based
on
hundred
percent
to
the
general
fund,
total
general
fund
cost
317
000.
We
have
184
000
available.
We
would
still
need
a
133
thousand
dollars
to
fund
in
the
general
fund
to
fund
these
five
positions
based
on
100
percent
charge
of
the
general
fund.
Now
still,
here's
this
one
position:
split
50
to
the
cra
and
here's
a
water
and
sewer
fund
with
the
public
service
assistant,
director
100
and
the
field
inspector,
which
is
split.
F
50
50
with
the
with
the
general
fund
and
water
and
sewer
fund,
and
if
there's
no
questions
on
that
side,
I'll
go
to
the
next
one,
because
we
talked
about
a
50
50
split
with
the
physicians
same
slide.
Basically,
we've
taken
the
sustainability
and
this
and
the
cyber
security
engineer
now:
50
general
fund,
50
water
and
sewer
230
231
000
total
here's
the
mainly
available
184
000.
We
need
47
thousands,
almost
48
000
to
cover
these
positions
within
this
format,
same
position,
same
numbers
with
the
cra,
but
now
we've
got.
F
You
know
a
little
bit
more
money
down
here
being
charged
to
the
water
and
sewer
fund
50.
You
know
general
fund,
50
percent,
water
and
sewer,
and
it's
important
to
mention
that
when
we
did
the
revenue
sufficiency
study,
we
did
put
in
positions
in
the
in
the
revenue
sufficiency
study
to
cover
some
of
these
positions.
Plus.
This
is
a
lot
where
they
talked
about
using
consulting
engineering
fees.
That's
where
a
lot
of
the
engineering
fees
for
consulting
are
within
the
water
and
sewer
fund.
F
B
G
K
A
A
F
Well,
like
I
say,
a
lot
of
those
engineering
and
consulting
fees
are
in
the
water
and
sewer
fund.
There's
some
fees
in
in
in
the
general
fund,
not
much
and
maybe
a
little
bit
in
building
development,
and
I
really
wanted
to
get
with
you
know
director
powell
first
before
saying:
if
he's
got
any
money
any
where
he
can
make
any
cuts
there,
but
most
of
the
engineering
services
it's
based
on
the
capital
project,
what
more
most
capital
projects
are
in
the
water
and
sewer
fund,
where
there's
engineering
fees.
A
Okay,
so
what's
the
bottom
line?
How
do
you
feel
about
all
these?
I
mean
I'm
okay
with
the
50
50
50
this
way,
because
the
cyber
security
engineer
he's
actually
going
to
be
doing
a
lot
of
work
for
the
water
department
and
other
departments
as
well.
It's
not
going
to
be
just
a
general
fund
and
the
same
thing
for
the
sustainability
coordinator,
correct
yeah,
he's
going
to
be
doing
work
for
many
departments,
not
just
for
general
funds.
A
E
E
It's
greatly
appreciated,
so
there's
a
couple
things.
I
don't
necessarily
fully
agree
with.
I
would
follow
the
city
manager
on
the
cra
fund.
I
do
understand
the
recommendation
for
it.
I
just
think
it's.
We
need
to
do
brick
and
mortar
projects
for
the
cra
specifically,
but
I
appreciate
the
creativity
that
you
guys
took
for
with
that
one
as
a
whole.
E
So
with
the
public
services
assistant
director,
I
think
that
should
be
public
services
assistant
director
and
sustainability
coordinator.
I
I've
mentioned.
I
don't
support
sustainability
coordinator
by
itself.
I
think
it
needs
to
be
in
the
public
services
department
as
a
whole.
I
think
it
should
be
an
engineer
right
now.
It
shouldn't
be
someone
out
of
college
that
came
through
a
program.
I
think
that
that
would
be
really
a
bona
fide
person.
That
is
that
has
experience,
and
I
think
paul
smith's
department
would
be
perfect
for
that
person.
E
When
we
go
to
public
works
technician,
as
I
said,
I
think
it
should
be
fully
funded
outside
of
the
cra,
so
I
don't
know
where
that
would
be,
and
then
the
cyber
security
engineer,
I'm
in
full
support
of
that.
I
would
question
the
pay
grade.
I
think
we
can
push
it
down
a
little
bit.
That's
it's
really
high.
I
mean
we're.
Looking
close
to,
I
mean
you're,
looking
at
a
a
major
to
sergeant
salary
at
our
police
department.
Right
for
something
like
that,
so
I
do
understand.
E
I.T
there's
a
demand
for
it,
but
I
do
think
that's
something
we'd
want
to
look
at.
I
would
support
something
like
a
70
30
split.
I
know
there's
a
significant
amount
of
money,
there's
like
10
million
dollars
coming
through
from
the
federal
government
right
now
and
a
lot
of
it's
probably
gonna
be
spent
in
water
and
sewer,
based
on
what
my
understanding
is
from
the
city
manager.
E
E
I
think
with
that,
with
what
the
cyber
security
with
the
pay
grade
reduction
would,
I
think,
solve
for
that
one
and
then
again,
like
I
said,
I
think
the
sustainability
coordinator
should
wrap
under
the
public
services
assistant
director.
So
summary
principal,
I
agree
with
a
construction
field
director
I
agree
agree
with,
as
is
the
public
services
assistant
director.
I
think
the
sustainability
coordinator
should
drop
into
there.
The
public
works
tech.
E
L
L
I
I
definitely
support
that.
The
public
works
tech.
I
I
support,
but
I
would
not
want
to
fund
out
out
of
the
cra.
I've
had
issues
with
funding
things
out
of
the
cra
salaries
in
the
past.
The
cyber
engineer,
I
think,
is
definitely
important
and
I
would
agree
with
the
50
50
split
on
that,
and
I
also
think
that
we
should
at
least
strive
initially
to
bring
that
salary
down
a
little
bit.
L
As
the
city
had
a
number
of
years
ago
I
mean
even
from
like
a
in-house
project
perspective.
We
spent
a
fortune
in
engineering
services
and
consulting
fees.
So
I
think
that
that
that
is
something
that,
whether
we
do
it
this
year
or
the
commission
looks
to
it
in
years
following.
I
think
that
to
have
someone
in-house,
that
is
a
civil
engineer
that
can
help
us.
You
know
design
with
our
some
of
our
design,
buildings
or
even
just
you
know,
give
us
better
ideas
or
estimates
or
work
on
plans.
L
L
As
far
as
the
sustainability
coordinator,
I'm
hesitant
to
jump
with
both
feet
into
that,
especially
without
having
a
clear
idea
of
what
the
job
description
would
be.
At
this
point,
I
think
it
would
be.
You
know
it
would
be
hard
for
me
to
fund
that
position
without
a
better
understanding
of
what
exactly
the
role
would
be.
L
So,
in
a
nutshell,
I'd
love
to
see
an
in-house
engineer
and
we
could
potentially
blend
that
with
the
construction
field
position
or
maybe
the
public
works
tech.
I
don't
know
we
we
might
need
to
get
creative
there,
but
I
think
that
it
would
be
beneficial
to
the
community
to
have
that
position.
A
civil
engineer,
in-house
principal
planner.
Again.
I
support
that.
L
A
L
Ultimately,
I
would
like
to
see
it
blended
with
one
of
one
of
the
positions
that
we're
asking
for
now.
I
don't
know
where
we
would
do
that
or
how
we
would
do
it,
but
I
think
that
if
we
ask
mr
herring
for
a
breakdown
of
our
engineering,
consulting
fees
that
we
spend,
you
would
clearly
see
what
I'm
talking
about.
So
I
think
that
that
would
be
it's
something
that
I
have
talked
with
the
city
manager
about
in
the
past
and
obviously,
unless
it's
budget
season,
it's
hard
to
really
take
that
conversation
to
the
next
level.
B
A
I'm
not
really
sure
exactly
what
the
pay
scale
would
be
on
civil
engineering.
If
you
wouldn't
consider
that
into
the
point
right
now,
I
don't
know.
Perhaps
mr
liquorice
can
give
us
his
take
on
the
on
that
construction
field
inspector.
Is
this
something
that
a
civil
engineer
will
do,
or
it's
totally
different?
I.
E
L
And
I
say
blending
it
because
you
know
in
theory
there
would
be
times
when
he
wouldn't
be
acting
as
a
as
a
civil
engineer
right.
So
then
you
could
blend
the
job
description
where
he
could
be
doing
other
things,
but
I
I
think
that
would
probably
be
the
most
logical
place
to
hire
a
dual
position:
public
service
assistant,
director
and
professional
engineer.
L
L
C
H
A
A
I
Ahead,
I'd
just
like
to
make
a
few
general
comments
about
that.
This
is,
I
understand
it's
a
very
good
point
being
made
about
the
cost
of
the
consultancies
that
we
put
out
each
year,
but
I
would
say
maybe
the
simplest
way
for
me
to
respond
to
that
is.
We
have
studied
other
cities
like
dunedin
and
others
that
have
city
engineering,
not
just
one,
but
actually
multiple
engineers
on
staff
and
their
consulting
fees
are
still,
I
mean
beyond
ours
by
a
lot.
So
my
point
to
you
is,
I
don't
think
you
know
your
goal.
I
Is
I
understand
it?
I
don't
think
it's
going
to
be
achieved
as
much
as
perhaps
you'd
want
by
adding
a
position
like
that,
and
it
really
comes
down
to
the
breadth
of
engineering
experience
that
you
need
to
respond
to
the
various
things.
All
the
expertise,
it's
very
hard
to
find
in
one
person
and
other
cities
are
finding
that
same
thing.
I
As
far
as
the
position
that
I'm
recommending
for
assistant,
I
am
going
to
try
to
hire
an
engineer.
That
would
be
something
that
would
work
well
in
that
role
and
because
the
idea
would
be
for
it
to
succeed
in
to
the
director
position
at
some
point,
I
think
you'd
want
that
in
a
director
position.
So
that's
about
what
I
can
add
on
that.
G
No,
I'm
just
I'm,
I'm
normally
very
hesitant
to
trust
a
steelers
fan,
but
you
did
a
really
really
good
job.
I
really
like
the
budget
advisories
recommendations
for
the
positions.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
all
of
your
work.
As
a
committee
principal
planner
and
the
construction
field
inspector,
I'm
absolutely
good
with
the
public
services
assistant
director.
I
understand
the
desire
to
maybe
get
something
more
out
of
that,
but
you
know
mr
smith's
been
running
kind
of
shorthanded
for
a
little
while
now,
so
I
don't
want
to
throw
him
a
curveball
last.
G
G
I
agree
that
we
could
try
to
lower
the
salary
a
little
bit,
not
too
much
but
at
least
like
10
to
15k,
because
that'd
be
them
jumping
on
immediately
and
making
a
lot
of
money.
So
again,
I'm
not
diminishing
the
need
for
the
position.
I
agree
to
get
a
cyber
security
engineer
on
board,
but
you
know
the
hundred
and
ten
thousand
dollars,
including
benefits.
That's
that's
a
little
much
maybe
at
least
try
to
lower
it
by
10
or
something
like
that
and
see
what
we
come
up
with
the
sustainability
coordinator
position.
I
support
it.
G
I
I
think
I
said
last
meeting
that
I
like
positions
that
pay
for
themselves.
I
think
in
staff's
job
description.
I
I
really
like
the
grant
writing
function
that
was
listed
on
there.
I
think
that's
something
we
could
use
really
well
as
a
board
to
maybe
have
quarterly
or
monthly.
You
know,
funding
updates
come
our
way
and
just
see
which
different
grants
we're
applying
to
where
we're
at
in
the
process
what
they
need
on
our
end
to
apply
for
them.
G
D
First
of
all,
I
thank
you,
mr
mcclure,
in
the
budget
advisory
committee.
I
support
your
recommendations
as
you
presented
them
in
terms
of
priorities,
but
also
think
we
need.
As
you
pointed
out,
we
need
to
give
the
city
manager
some
time
as
well
to
repackage
these
in
some
form
and
to
have
discussions
with
the
staff
with
regard
to
the
the
funding
aspect
of
it,
the
also
your
recommendation
for
funding
all
of
the
positions,
I
think
all
of
the
positions,
first
of
all
city
manager.
D
D
I
mean
if,
if
some,
if
a
department
head
came
up
with
somebody,
something
and
you
and
you
didn't
agree
with
it,
you
would
tell
them
you
don't
agree
with
it
and
that's
where
it
ends
there.
Is
that
correct?
Yes,
okay,
so
my
point
is
all
the
positions
that
have
come
forward
from
the
departments
have
got
the
city
commissioner's
concurrence
he's
got
higher
priorities
with
the
three
that
he
mentioned,
and
I
think
that,
rather
than
me
presuming
that
I
know
the
department
head's
job
more
than
they
do.
D
I
would
like
to
give
the
city
manager
some
direction
to
take
the
department
heads
have
them
sit
down,
do
a
little
give
and
take.
I
know
they
work
well
with
each
other
and
come
up
with
a
three-year
plan
of
funding,
all
of
the
ones
that
have
been
requested.
That's
something
the
city
manager
and
I
talked
about
briefly
about
a
week
ago.
So
I
think
that
to
me
is
the
proper
way
to
go.
D
D
So
I'd
like
to
give
that
that
approach,
the
three-year
the
approach
give
the
city
manager
an
opportunity
to
to
create
a
plan
over
a
three-year
period
to
fund
all
of
the
positions:
police
fire,
my
pet
peeve.
As
mr
function
knows
his
roads
and
streets
and
parks
and
parkways
and
beautification
of
all
the
comments.
I
won't
call
complaints
all
the
comments
that
we
get
from
the
residents
it's
street
cleanliness
and
that
grass
weeds
the
whole
thing
and
that's
something.
D
F
C
D
D
Field
inspector,
mr
mccloy,
I
have
a
question
for
you
on
the
sustainability
position.
The
city
manager
had
two
approaches.
One
was
a
coordinator
and
one
was
a
director.
The
coordinator
would
work
within
a
department,
I
think,
is
the
common
way
of
describing
it.
The
director
would
work
for
the
city
manager
did
was
that
discussed
with
the
budget
advisory
committee
as
far
as
what
of
those
two
approaches
would
be
preferred,
or
at
least
recommend
it.
N
Now
they're
not
going
to
be
an
island
within
paul,
we,
you
know
so
there's
going
to
be
certain
part,
certain
people
in
their
jobs
back
that
sustained
sustainability
is
an
element
along
with
this.
This
this,
it
was
just
felt
that
to
drive
it.
If
we
want
to
really
be
serious
about
it,
it's
going
to
need
a
head,
but
it's
going
to
need
a
lot
of
people
within
the
organization
such
as
paul
and
other
people.
That
was
our
gut,
feel
to
make
it
really
somebody
who's.
D
N
D
Okay,
I
I'm
I'm
more
in
favor,
you
know
from
my
perspective,
looking
at
it
in
a
very,
very
simple
way,
and-
and
you
know,
we've
got
an
economic
development
director.
I
think
ms
lemons
does
a
really
good
job.
If
we
can
justify
an
economic
development
director,
we
can
certainly
justify
sustainability
director,
especially
with
the
amount
of
work
that's
coming
down
from
the
sustainability
committee
in
the
form
of
the
action
plan
that
we
would
be
seeing
in
about
six
months
or
so
so,
I'd
like
to
have
that.
D
I'm
not
sure
how
we're
going
to
discuss
it
or
anything
like
that,
but
that's
something
that
that
we
need.
We
owe
the
sustainability
committee
an
answer
as
far
as
the
in
and
and
maybe
we
could
do
a
formal
vote
on
this
and
I've
got
some
thoughts
on
that
there
anyway,
we
can
talk
about
that.
I
don't
want
to
eat
up
any
more
time
on
this
tonight
as
far
as
that
goes,
but
my
preference
would
be
a
sustainability
director
just
because
of
continuity.
D
The
civil
engineer,
25
years
ago
I
was
double-headed
as
city
engineer
and
city
manager
was
building
director
then
became
building
director
and
city
engineer.
Then
I
was
city,
engineer
and
city
manager
and
25
years
ago
life
was
a
lot
easier
in
the
world
of
engineering.
Today
it's
become
so
specialized.
D
The
regulatory
environment
is
so
complicated,
you're
not
going
to
find
one
person
that
you'll
be
able
to
find
one
person
to
do
just
a
little
bit
of
what
needs
to
be
done,
but
you're
not
going
to
find
one
person.
That's
going
to
be
able
to
do
a
lot
of
what
you
think
needs
to
be
done,
and
so
25
years
ago
I
would
not
have
thought
of
using
a
consultant
today.
I
believe
one
is
absolutely
needed,
and
I
think
mr
smith
has
kind
of
confirmed
that
in
his
statement.
D
So
I'd
like
to
continue
with
what
we
have,
I
think
the
assistant
public
services
director
is
going
to
be
an
engineer,
but
I
think
he's
probably
or
she
is
going
to
be
probably
more
of
an
administrative
type.
You
know
that's
just
my
suspicion
and
the
again
the
three
positions
that
the
city
manager
recommended.
I
don't
have
an
issue
with
it's
just
a
matter
of
funding
them,
and
then
I
want
to
remind
the
commission
as
well.
D
But
we,
my
point,
is
we.
I
wouldn't
recommend
banking,
it
banking
on
using
that
money
right
now,
but
certainly
it
could
be
used
on
a
very
elementary
basis
until
we
actually
grow
into
the
positions
that
we're
going
to
be
talking
about
coming
down
to
us
over
the
next
three
years
or
so.
So.
Thank
you,
mayor.
A
A
First
of
all,
I
I
agree
with
the
recommendation
from
the
budget
advisory
committee,
and
I
want
to
thank
mr
mccoy
missiles
are
here
tonight
and
please
give
my
thanks
to
everybody
in
the
committee
in
regards
to
the
two
positions:
they're
not
clear
how
we're
going
to
fund
them.
We
have
different
opinions,
different
ways
of
doing
that.
A
If
you
please
take
a
look
at
it
and
during
the
the
next
work
session,
please
let
us
know
after
you,
you
discuss
with
your
directors
and
but
there
are
some
very
good
recommendations
that
it
came
from
the
budget
advisory
committee
to
if
we
have
a
reduction
in
professional
fees
refers
to
engineering,
consult
the
fish
and
inspection
phase.
Perhaps
we
can
actually
cover
these
expenses
in
regards
to
the
size,
10
sustainability.
A
A
We
look
at
it
and
then
it
can
be
re-evaluated
later
and
if
he
needs
to
be
a
director,
yes
then
he
can.
We
can
do
that,
but
for
right
now
I
think
this
is
the
beginning.
We
can
stick
with
the
coordinator
and
work
under
the
umbrella
of
mr
smith.
That's
my
opinion.
Anything
else
that
you
want
to
relate
to
the
city
manager
before
we
move
on.
D
C
D
That's
the
one
thing,
the
the
other
part
is
the
and
any
additional
ones
as
well.
I
spoke
to
mr
function.
I
think
you
had
three
three
roads
and
streets
positions
and
I
I
would
have
thought
more,
but
again
I
defer
to
your
expertise
there
and
and-
and
I
think
it
was
the
funding
as
far
as
the
cra
funding
city
manager,
you're
gonna
you're,
going
to
come
back
the
three-year
plan,
I'm
not
sure
how
you're
going
to
deal
with
that.
H
K
H
More
we're
going
on
the
more
so
we're
all
agreement
on.
On
the
first,
the
three
that
I
recommended.
I
think
I
think
this
is
what
I
got
from
everybody,
where
we're
set
with
those
I'm
trying
to
get
what
list
you're
going
by,
because
there
are
several
lists.
Let
me,
let's
go
back
to
my
memo
of
july
23rd,
that
you
should
have
there
where,
after
the
first
budget
meeting,
I
talked
about.
H
Agreement
with
that
and
the
funding
of
that
now
we're
down
to
the
the
two
positions:
it's
not
two.
It
was
really
three
but
we're
talking
about
two.
When
it
comes
from
the
budget
advisory
committee,
public
works,
whether
it's
one
or
two
positions
and
the
I.t
position.
I've
heard
that
I've
heard
I've
heard
that
those
positions
we
want
me
to
look
at
funding.
I've
heard
that
and
again
the
job
description
and
the
where
the
payment
and
how
much
the
salary
is
for
it.
That
came
before
my
review
of
it.
H
I've
heard
you
that
maybe
needs
to
go
down
a
little
bit,
and
I
probably
agree
with
that
when
I
was
looking
over
it
for
tonight's
meeting
so,
but
are
we
in
agreement
on
on
at
least
one
public
works
position?
One
I.t
position
to
come
back
with
the
funding
on,
as
it
was
recommended.
That's
what
I
got
from
there
with
the
caveat
of
the
public
works
position,
the
money's,
not
our
cra
and
the
it
position.
We
look
at
that
salary
and
and
try
to
reduce
that
a
little
bit.
L
K
H
H
H
Obviously,
sustainability
position,
in
whatever
form,
is
in
the
future
somewhere,
whether
it's
now
next
year
or
down
the
road,
but
I
wanted
in
this
budget
the
staff
to
show
you,
especially
with
the
position
coming
out
of
the
blue
up
coming
in
with
all
these
other
positions,
what
positions
within
the
next
one
to
three
years
and
if,
if
you
look
at
the
the
third
part
of
my
memo,
I
kind
of
gave
you
the
the
three-year
plan.
I
I
I
looked
at
all
the
positions
again.
H
The
department
did,
and
I've
kind
of
got
you
a
one
to
three
year
plan
on
those
now
I
will
go
back
and
meet
with
staff
on
these
for
a
later
time,
but
the
positions
for
future
consideration.
I'm
telling
you
all
those
positions
we
shouldn't
they're,
not
in
the
picture.
Now
none
of
you
talked
about
them,
but
I've
got
a
preliminary
plan
for
the
next
one
or
three
years.
Several
of
them
are
dependent
on
grants,
so
we
will
do
that.
We
will
get
with
staff
and
further
those.
H
But
if
you
see
all
those
have
my
idea
right
now
of
where,
in
one
to
three
years,
that
those
positions
should
be
funded
and
then
of
course
we
just
got
the
sustainability
position.
What
it
is
you
know
again,
then
the
budget
advisory
committee
did
not
have
a
chance
to
get
the
full
paul
smith
presentation
on
on
sustainability
and
the
differences
between
the
position,
even
though
mr
mccoy
said
director,
I
think,
he's
more
coordinator
because
he
even
took
my
grade
of
18
and
dropped
it
to
17.
H
To
do
it,
that's
all
in
line
with
a
coordinator
position,
and
it
is
a
stand-alone
position
that
all
it
does.
It
just
works
a
little
different
in
the
format.
If
you
remember
at
the
beginning
of
sustainability,
I
gave
you
the
equation
of
what
I
did
in
community
policing
in
the
police
department.
The
trend
was
put
put
a
officer
in
community
policing
and
that
solves
your
question.
H
My
approach
was
to
make
it
departmental
like
to
build
the
whole
department
in
the
communication
and
that's
the
strategy
that
I
was
very
successful
for
that's
why
our
programs
and
community
policing
was
something
to
stop
top
in
the
state
and
that's
what
we
wanted
to
do
with
sustainability.
We
are
building
a
whole
organization
of
sustainability,
not
just
one
position.
H
The
position
is
going
to
come,
but
paul
smith
gave
a
very
good
presentation,
we'll
give
it
to
you,
we'll
give
it
before
the
budget
advisory
committee
to
show
the
citywide,
which
we
don't
get
a
lot
of
credit
for
internally
outside.
I
can
tell
you
in
the
county.
We
are
highly
respected
in
what
we
bring
to
the
table
when
we
come
to
sustainability
meeting
with
the
coordinators
from
dunedin
the
coordinators
from
olds
mark,
clearwater
and
stuff.
H
So
that's
an
issue
that's
going
to
going
to
go
on
for
a
while
and
stuff,
but
the
question
we've
got
on
right
now
is
in
these
positions
and
stuff.
What
are
what
are
you
looking
at
me
to
do?
We've
heard
the
sustainability
being
in
the
position
there.
We've
heard
about
it,
you
know:
where
are
we,
I
think,
that's
the
last
piece
of
of
where
are
we
going
forward
in
this
budget
right
now
with
a
sustainability
position?
A
You
want
to
I
already,
I
already
said
it,
mr
le
curios.
I
think
this
sustainability
position.
It
would
be
very
helpful.
I
think
it's
necessary
to
have
it,
but
I
wanna
I
recommend
to
have
it.
I
like
to
see
that
as
a
coordinator
position,
not
as
a
director
yet
and
perhaps
later
we
can
grow
to
that.
If
we
see
that
we
need
to.
A
E
O
D
I
do
as
well
and
I'm
not
going
to
get
hung
up
on
the
semantics.
It's
an
independent
that
you're
speaking
of
an
independent,
dedicated
person
working
on
sustainability.
Is
that
correct,
yeah,
okay,
I'm
not
going
to
get
hung
up
on
whether
they're
a
director.
At
this
point,
I
think
your
comment
mirror
was
a
good
one.
D
D
The
things
that
were
added
as
far
as
the
assistant
goes
as
sustainability
same
thing
with
mrs
vinson,
but
I
still
think
that
we
need
an
independent
person.
So
that's
the
three
votes,
also
mr
our
city
manager,
of
course,
on
yeah.
I
I
appreciate
the
backup
you
know
the
you
know
what
you
describe
as
a
three-year.
D
You
know
the
list
and
saying
that
you'll
have
them
back
in
three
years,
but
I'd
actually
like
to
have
more
of
what
year
we
should
plan
on
hiring
these
people
and
also
the
the
the
amount
of
money
that
we
would
need
that
sort
of
thing.
So
we
can
plan
that,
in
other
words,
we
adopt
that
plan
and
that's
actually
worked
into
the
budget
before
it
gets
to
us
the
first
time
that
that's
what
I'm
looking
for.
Yes,.
H
D
A
D
So
mayor
just
to
be
clear,
we're
we're
talking
about
the
six
positions,
moving
ahead
with
the
six
positions
now.
Is
that
correct?
Yes,
okay,
I
I
didn't
talk
about
the
two
of
them,
but
if
I'm
fine
with
that,
commissioner
donovan-
I
didn't
hear
you
say
anything
about
this
all
six.
I
heard
about
the
sustainability
coordinator,
yeah.
G
B
A
A
A
F
Basically,
in
the
cip
program
we
got
11.4
million
to
cip
the
graph
just
breaks
it
out.
I'm
sorry
wrong
button
again,
you
know,
most
of
it
is
a
6.8
million,
which
is
physical
environment,
which
is
basically
water
and
sewer
so
of
the
cip.
6.4
million
is
coming
out
of
the
water
and
sewer
fund
for
expenditures.
F
And
just
as
if
you're
trying
to
find
information
on
the
cip,
an
executive
summary,
it's
back
in
the
back
pages
301-332,
a
couple
good
pages,
306
or
307
summarizes
all
the
projects
for
five
years.
On
those
two
pages
308,
the
324
takes
the
cip
here,
but
it's
broken
out
based
on
where
they're
being
charged
from
the
individual
funds,
with
the
five-year
projections
for
those
funds.
F
F
These
are
some
of
the
major
capital
projects
in
the
budget:
the
police
vehicles,
fire
vehicles,
the
debt
service
on
the
new
trucks,
future
water
wells,
solar
efficiency,
water,
pipe
replacement,
replace
water
line,
alternate
19
bridge,
lift
station
rehab,
new
inspection,
camera
sidewalks,
brick
street
road
reconstruction,
sponge
docks
flood
abatement
mango
street
phase.
Two
culture
and
recreation
is
a
sports,
complex
lighting
and
field
improvements,
and
then
there's
lighting
library
improvements
for
a
total
of
8.5
million
of
the
11.4
cip.
F
F
Here's,
the
police
and
fire
vehicles
again.
The
sponge
docks
mangle
street
brick
street
rope
reconstruction,
the
sports,
complex
4.6
million
of
expenditures,
but
that
includes
1.3
million
that
is
available
for
appropriation.
This
number
is
currently
1.5
million.
That's
what
was
in
your
backup
at
the
follow
at
the
beginning,
because
fortunately,
bob
went
out
and
got
a
grant
for
the
elfers
trail,
327
thousand,
so
that
helped
to
free
up
some
more
money.
A
A
H
A
C
H
Was
kind
of
wanting
you
to
give
me
because
if
you
remember
last
year's
budget,
we
kind
of
committed
a
lot
of
things
ahead
of
time,
so
last
year's
budget
we
talked
about
leaving
that
money
as
much
as
we
could
available,
so
that
the
commission,
the
earlier
time
in
the
budget,
would
be
able
to
to
give
us
the
input
of
what's
important
to
them.
I
mean
we
can
do
it
either
way.
H
A
What
I'm
looking
for
is,
if
you
have
an
assessment
of
the
the
city
buildings
and
see
what
are
we
at
with
repairs
that
we
need
to
do
and
if
you
tell
us,
what's
going
to
cost
to
make
sure
that
we
maintain
our
builders
properly.
That's
one
thing
that
I
want
to
make
sure
and
also
one
item
that
has
really
come
to
mind
is
the
the
sidewalk
on
jasmine,
which
is
very,
very
dangerous
for
the
kids
when
they
by
the
the
sports
complex.
That's.
A
E
K
K
E
I
mean
that's,
I
agree,
that's
a
dangerous
road.
I
think
someone's
gonna
get
hurt
severely
on
that.
I
do
think
that's
an
important
part
to
look
at.
I
do
want
to
just
touch
base
on
a
few
things.
I
know
this
is
a
workshop
for
all
of
us,
but
I
do
want
to
just
touch
base
on
a
few
items
that
are
that
are
being
done.
E
E
H
P
P
Yeah,
as
you
know,
we
fund
this
the
program
every
other
year.
A
number
of
years
ago
we
had
a
list
of
a
number
of
streets
that
came
up
for
engineering
services.
One
was
ring
avenue
and
then
cedar
street
was
the
second
one.
The
other
streets
we
had
engineered
already
is
lemon
street
and
also
shattuck
street.
So
that's
actually
why
it's
back
up
in
the
queue
the
engineering
work
is
done
now
we
just
have
to
go
forward
with
the
construction
on
it
and.
H
Then
we
have
to
remember
the
next
one
that
would
be
in
the
queue,
at
least
for
the
engineering
services
that
we
have
to
talk
about.
Probably
in
this
budget
is
orange
and
and
that
part
of
the
queue
is
the
engineering
portion
of
it,
like
the
lemon's,
already
been
done
and
ready
to
do
next
on
this
list.
The
funding
when
we're
talking
about
this
area
you're
talking
about
is
orange
street,
yes,
and
where
we
cue
that
into
the
budgets
coming
up.
E
Great,
thank
you.
You're
welcome
a
couple
other
items
I
just
want
to
bring
again
the
water
and
sewer.
I
know
we
have
some
ability
to
say
yay
or
nay
to
them,
but
I
just
want
to
bring
some
attention
to
it.
250
000
for
water
line
replacements
I
mean
I
do
feel
like
there's
an
opportunity
to
push
that,
and
but
I
mean
I
up,
but
I
appreciate
paul
and
everything
his
team
does
and
it's
pipe
and
valve
replacement
of
another
350
thousand
dollars
and
then
there's
other
gis
items
in
here
too.
E
So
when
we
have
residents
that
come
and
say
that
the
city's
not
necessarily
doing
things
for
a
water
replacement
lines,
I
mean
there
is
essential
amount
of
budgeted
items
and
year
over
year
to
replace
these
lines.
So
I
do
appreciate
that
and
another
200
000
for
a
main
water
replacement
line.
So
there's
a
significant
amount
of
money,
like
I
said
in
there
for
that,
I'm
happy
to
see
the
650
thousand
dollars
for
the
solar
out
of
the
out
of
the
water
fund.
E
E
Can
someone
touch
base
on
the
golf
course
one
more
time
at
tommy?
I'm
sorry
to
call
you
back
up.
You
did
six
thousand
dollars
for
the
building.
You
said
fascia,
soffit
and
paint
now
is
the
clubhouse.
Is
that
being
addressed
this
fiscal
year
or
are
we
looking
at
doing
anything
in
the
clubhouse
at
all.
P
E
E
E
I
think
it's
important
that
we
as
a
commission
look
at
projects
and
put
a
project
list
of
priorities
in
place,
because
obviously
we
can't
do
everything
that
we
want
to
do
in
one
budget
year
and
I
think
it's
important
to
do
some
type
of
priority
list
and
I
think
we
need
to
have
a
parking
garage
somewhere
and
a
year
coming
up
and
that
we
need
to
plan
and
target
for
that
year.
I
think
we're
long
overdue
for
a
parking
garage.
E
I
think
we
should
have
one
in
downtown.
It
should
be
a
combination
between
cra
funds
and
cip.
I
believe,
but
I
don't
know
what
the
the
percentages
are.
If
we
could
do
more
cra
than
cip.
I
think
that
would
probably
work
best,
but
I
think
that's
something
we
need
to
add
another
item
that
we
should
add
in
the
long
term.
E
E
There
was
a
significant
amount
of
tarpon.
I
remember
that
were
in
the
the
mirrors
crossing.
I
don't
know
what
you
want
to
call
it:
the
the
tidal
pools
where
the
mirror's
crossing
sits
now
or
the
ickery
apartments,
so
in
between
the
with
the
mangroves
and
all
the
different
things.
There's
definitely
areas
for
improvement
to
our
ecological
area
of
the
bayous.
So
I
think
that's
something
we
should
add
to
a
long-term
goal
for
the
cip
and
then
also
the
landfill.
E
I
was
down
in
sarasota
this
past
year
and
they
had
a
great
walking
area
where
this
could
be
another
nice
walking
spot
for
west
and
south
tarpon
springs.
We
could
put
some.
Obviously
I
don't
think
we
put
large
oak
trees
there
because
of
the
cap,
that's
on
the
landfill,
but
we
could
still
put
some
trees
that
grow,
25
30
feet
tall
still
and
you
could
have
a
walking
trail.
E
You
could
also
incorporate
other
recreation
elements
there
if
it's
frisbee
golf
if
it's
pickleball
courts,
if
it's
another
tennis
court,
I
don't
really
know,
there's
a
lot
of
communities
that,
but
to
this
also
on
us19,
so
it
would
be
a
nice
element.
I
think,
to
have
to
utilize
that
space
right
now.
It's
significantly
underutilized,
there's
not
a
whole
lot.
We
could
do
with
it,
but
I
think
looking
at
something
that
at
least
opening
it
up
as
a
open
park
might
be
a
beneficial
element
so
getting
into
this
year's
budget.
E
I
do
think
that
we
need
to
put
a
little
more
money
into
the
historic
market.
There's
five
thousand
dollars
that's
allocated.
Currently,
I
would
like
to
see
that
bumped
up
to
10.
we've
talked
about
that.
In
years
past
we
had
12
initial
sites
and
we
had
additional
sites
that
we
want
to
look
at.
I
think
it's
important
that
we
bump
that
up
just
a
little
bit
higher
to
ten
thousand
dollars.
E
One
thing
too
that
I've
heard
from
residents.
It
would
be
nice
to
have
some
type
of
lighting
inside
the
craig
park
trees.
So
we
have
a
lot
of
large
trees
in
craig
park
to
have
them
wrapped
of
some
sort
or
have
maybe
a
low
voltage
or
there
could
be
light
to
hang
in
the
trees
as
well.
So
I
think
that
would
be
something
that
we
would
want
to
look
at.
That
coincides
with
beautification
also.
E
Highland
park,
I
think,
is
an
important
thing
to
look
at
as
well.
I
feel
like
it's
been
neglected
for
quite
some
time.
We've
kind
of
kicked
the
can
down
the
road
multiple
times
with
this
one.
If
there's
an
opportunity
to
do
something
with
highland
park,
it
doesn't
have
to
be
super
fancy.
I
mean
if
it's
an
irrigation
system
and
some
sod
to
clean
it
up
a
little
bit
and
then
also,
if
we
could
add
a
few
more
trees
and
a
dedicated
sidewalk
to
and
from
the
lake
would
be.
E
Important,
I
did
send
the
memo
to
the
city
manager
and
then
also
tom
and
paul,
and
I
believe,
ron
about
solar
panels
as
a
whole
and
actually
looking
at
some
type
of
financing
structure
for
solar
panels
to
evaluate
our
large
buildings.
So
it
would
be
city
hall
would
be
public
administration,
it
would
be
the
library-
and
maybe
one
other
one-
that
I
can
at
the
recreation
center
and
really
seeing
what
the
return
on
investment
would
be.
So
if
we
finance
solar
panels,
it
would
take
x
amount
of
years
to
pay
them
off.
E
Let's
say
seven:
you
would
use
that
money
that
you'd
be
paying
towards
electric
fees
to
pay
for
the
finance
and
after
seven
years
now,
you're
boosting
the
city's
revenue
by.
I
don't
know
hundred
thousand
dollars
a
year
for
the
next
10
years.
So
I
don't
necessarily
want
to
see
that
in
the
capital
spent.
I
would
rather
see
that
financed,
but
I
would
fall
on
the
capital
expenditure.
I
believe
also
just
something
to
look
at
and
for
staff
to
to
get
back
to
us
on.
E
Sunset,
beach
is
still
an
issue.
I
brought
this
up
the
past.
I
think
three
budget
seasons
when
you,
when
people
park
on
the
north
side
of
sunset
beach.
Obviously
we
need
more
parking
there,
because
the
county
charges
the
residents
to
park
at
fred
howard
park.
We
continue
to
see
a
large
demand
at
sunset
beach.
We
have
our
beach
concerts.
We
have
different
events
that
are
out
there.
It's
one
of
our
only
boat
ramps.
E
E
But
when
we
get
into
like
recreation,
I
do
think
it's
important
to
address
the
three
fields
that
we
have
sisler
field,
where
the
the
oh
and
I'm
sorry,
I'm
gonna
go
back
to
central
beach,
real,
quick,
the
beach
renourishment.
I
think
the
ten
thousand
dollars
is
an
important
thing
to
have
in
there
as
well,
just
because
you
don't
want
to
be
at
the
beach
where
it's
just
rocky
and
not
sandy.
E
So
that's
a,
I
think,
that's
well
money
or
money
spent
well
in
that
case,
but
all
so
going
from
sisler
field
to
riverside
field
to
soccer
field
and
riverside
tennis
courts.
All
three
of
those
fields
are
long
overdue
to
have
their
fences
replaced.
There's
many
of
them
are
rusted
they're
breaking
where
the
the
bars
are
on
top.
E
The
fence
itself
is
severely
rusted
as
well
as
a
kid
I
mean,
I
will
jump
over
those
fences,
even
if
the
gates
open
it's
just
one
thing
that
kids
do
so.
I
do
see
that
it
being
a
safety
issue,
and
I
think
it's
important
that
we
replace
that.
I
do
believe,
commissioner
donovan
you
provided
this
backup
right
with
about
sisler
field
with
some
pictures.
So
I
think
that
is
an
important
thing
to
look
at.
E
And
just
a
quick
comment
on
the
shades
with
the
the
sports
fields,
I
think
they're
great.
If
we
do
any
more
of
those,
we
want
to
make
sure
the
shade
actually
extends
further
in
front
and
behind
and
to
the
side
of
the
stands.
So
when
the
sun's
at
a
different
range
that
there's
still
shade,
instead
of
just
overhead.
E
J
H
P
E
E
L
L
We
want
to
call
it
from
on
orange
from
alt
19
to
ring
avenue,
I
think,
with
the
the
new
townhouse
project
there
and
with
the
amount
of
people
that
park
on
ring
in
between
the
trail
and
I'm
sorry
on
orange,
fro
in
between
the
trail
and
ring.
I
think
it's
important
to
go
all
the
way
to
ring
on
orange.
L
The
dock
at
sunset.
Beach,
I
think,
is
a
priority
and
it's
something
that
we
talked
about
earlier
in
the
year.
For
me,
the
sponge
docs
entryway,
is
still
a
major
priority,
repaving
of
lemon
to
banana
or
I'm
sorry
repaving
of
lemon
from
banana
to
the
bayou
tom.
You
spoke
about
that
a
little
bit,
that's
something
that's
already
been
engineered
and
we
just
need
to
fund
or
okay,
so
that
that
would
be
a
wish
list
for
me
and
then
the
vice
mayor
brought
up
the
fence
at
riverside
field.
L
I
think
that
that's
a
really
good
idea
and
something
that
you
know
is
easy
enough
to
more
or
less
write.
The
check
for
my
preference
would
for
it
to
be
like
black
powder
coated,
to
match
some
of
the
other
sports
fields
that
we're
doing.
I
think
the
powder
coated
looks
nice
and
it
goes
a
long
way
to
touch
on
some
of
my
questions,
and
I
don't
mean
to
be
lengthy,
but
ron
if
you
could
provide
a
little
bit
of
information
on
the
two
million
dollars
of
debt
service
on
page
320.
L
Sorry
we
can
get
used
to
seeing
that
number
then,
and
then
I
had
a
question
regarding
the
future
raw
water
wells.
Maybe
that's
a
mr
smith
question
paul.
I
see
that
you
know.
Obviously
it
says
future
raw
water
wells
right
so
and
then
I
see
where
there's
no
budgetary
expense
for
23
and
24.,
I'm
assuming
that
you're
planning
on
spending
that
850
over
the
course
of
the
next
three
years.
Okay,
so
do
we
have
any
idea
how
much
of
that
we're
going
to
spend
in.
I
2022,
yes,
this
is
a
big
project
for
us
and
I
actually
took
the
additional
step
of
having
our
project
manager
with
us
tonight.
Earl
nash,
I'd
like
to
introduce
him
for
just
a
minute.
If
I
may,
while
he's
coming
up,
I
just
like
to
brag
on
him
and
the
staff
a
little
bit
he's
our
water
division
manager
and
he
does
many
project
managements,
including
the
solar
project,
and
this
is
another
big
project
he's
working
on
so
earl.
M
M
Some
increased
stability
in
certain
areas
so
based
on
their
recommendations,
the
funds
from
ws2002.
This
project
will
be
used
to
design
and
construct
the
pipeline
to
expand
the
welfield
geographically,
to
give
us
more
space
to
put
new
wells
and
also
to
provide
that
blending
to
increase
efficiency
efficiency
and
also
reduce
electrical
cost.
M
M
The
new,
so
throughout
the
evaluation,
you
know
we
started
looking
at
it
as
we
might
just
be
drilling
some
new
wells
and
added
them
into
the
existing
brackish,
well
field
that
we
have
along
that
pipeline
and
it
evolved
into
the
project
that
it
is
now.
And
so,
with
this
phase
of
it
we'll
be
connecting
existing
wells.
M
M
Another
thing
that
it
provides
you
the
ability
to
do
is
you
know
to
have
a
sustainable
water
supply.
You
really
need
to
have
a
water
quality
that
doesn't
vary
significantly
with
withdrawal
rate.
Ours
does
vary
with
withdrawal
rate,
and
this
would
assist
in
that
to
bring
some
wells
into
the
well
field
that
that
don't
have
that
variability
and
can
give
you
the
ability
to
kind
of
blend
for
use
of
that
word,
to
give
us
a
more
stable
water
quality
and
third,
just
in
their
proximity
to
each
other.
M
It
gives
you
the
ability
to
to
have
some
wells
that
don't
will
not
have
interference
by
them
being
too
close
to
those
it'll,
expand.
It
geographically
we'll
be
able
to
add
more
well.
So
to
answer
your
question
in
future:
a
multi-funding
multi-year,
cip
funding,
I
believe
those
years
are,
we
have
it
out
in
2025,
29,
30
and
31.
We
plan
to
install
three
new
wells
along
that
pipeline
south
of
the
river.
M
M
M
L
M
Oh
additional,
I'm
sorry,
I
was
thinking
the
generator
okay,
so
that
one
is
our
like
our
near-term
minor
capital
improvement
item.
So
those
would
be
things
that
you
are
not
able
to
plan
for
long-term.
So
if
you
have
a
pump
go
out,
we
keep
spares
of
different
types
of
items.
If
we
have
one
of
those
things
go
out,
that
has
a
long
lead
time.
Some
of
our
pumps
may
take
six
months
to
get.
J
M
I
Well,
if
I
need
a
little
help
earl's
here
because
he's
managing
it,
but
it
is
set
up
to
be
a
bi-directional
meter,
meaning
if
there
are
times
where
we
produce
more
than
we
use,
then
it
would
go
back
into
the
grid
and
we'd
get
credit
for
it.
But
I
can
tell
you
at
this
point:
we've
got
a
ways
to
go
with
solar
panels
before
we
get
to
that
point
when
we're
making
that
energy
during
the
day
when
the
sun's
out
we're
also
using
a
lot
of
energy
in
our
treatment
process.
I
I
Yes,
we're
doing
a
master
plan
here,
earl's
working
on
which
isn't
just
you
know
this
this
particular
year.
But
how
are
we
going
to
maximize
this
for
the
for
the
whole
facility?
We
really
want
it
to
be
a
demonstration
project
where
people
come
and
say,
wow,
look
at
how
they're
using
solar
energy
to
make
water.
You
know
gotcha.
L
I
Oh
we're
still
going
to
use
them.
These
guys
have
some
great
ideas.
So
we
installed
earl
3
permanent
generators
right
at
the
wells
that
come
on
automatically,
but
they've
also
found
a
way
to
have
the
circuitry
at
the
well,
so
they
can
hook
up
a
portable
generator
and
it'll
automatically
kick
that
on
on
other
wells
with
the
same
effect.
So
it's
a
way
of
using
our
portables
with
the
same
benefit
of
it
automatically
coming
on.
So,
if
there's
an
emergency
coming
up,
we
can
mobilize
those
generators
hook
them
into
this
circuitry.
I
L
I
I'm
going
to
ask
ray
to
come
come
on,
he
gets
credit
for
this
one.
He
he
was
paying
attention
and
said
you
know
paul
that
pipe's
in
pretty
bad
shape.
We
need
to
make
some
plans
pretty
quick
to
get
that
replaced,
and
so
I
credit
him.
That's
one
of
the
big
things
he
does
for
us
is
keeps
an
eye
out
well
ahead
before.
Q
L
Q
L
I
Well,
I
think
it
was
in
last
year's
budget
for
design,
but
we're
getting
to
that
point
where
we're
getting
into
construction
and
it's
behind
the
publix
over
there.
It's
the
one
by
the
new
medical
clinic,
shepard
center
area
there,
but
it's
a
major
lift
station.
We
have
a
handful
of
those
around
the
city,
that's
one
of
them,
and
it
is
about
time.
I
think
it
was
built
in
the
60s
and
we've
been
keeping
it
going.
But
it's
time
for
a
total
rebuild
so.
L
So
last
year
we
designed
it
and
this
year
we're
going
to
build
it.
That's
when
you
expect
it
to
be
on
on
track.
That's
our
hope.
Yes,
gotcha
great!
Thank
you
all
again
again.
I've
already
mentioned
my
wish
list
for
the
million
five
that
we
have
left
over
mark.
Did
we
spend
any
money
last
year
on
the
on
orange
street,
in
terms
of
any
engineering
of
that
or
no
no.
L
So
that
so
what
we
would
potentially,
if
there's
consensus
among
the
commission,
is
utilize
some
money
for
the
engineering
on
that,
and
then
you
heard
all
my
other
things
and
I
guess
at
a
certain
point
in
one
of
our
last
meetings,
maybe
the
public
meeting
or
something
you'll
get
you'll
grab
a
consensus
on
how
the
commission
would
like
to
delegate
that
million
and
a
half
mm-hmm.
Yes,
you
got
you
got
everything
else.
I
said
right.
F
L
H
No,
no
tom
come
up
and
there's
options
it.
I
don't
think
we're
gonna
have
enough
money
to
go
back
to
it.
So
that's
one
of
the
things
when
we
go
out,
we
may
when
we
bring
back
to
you
to
go
out
for
bid.
We
may
do
one
an
option.
One
way
an
option,
another
way
and
look
at
the
cost
to
see
what
the
difference
is.
Is
that
that
right,
tom
about.
P
G
G
B
G
Okay,
thank
you
I'll,
be
super
brief.
Hopefully
you
guys
all
got
the
budget
background
that
I
put
for
the
sisler
compact
complex,
fencing
right
now.
The
background
on
it
is,
you
know
it's
on
page
331,
it's
unbudgeted.
It's
an
item
requesting
fifty
thousand
dollars
to
replace
the
fencing
at
sister
field
just
to
touch
on
the
summary
overall
in
2019
the
baseball
fields
are
redone
and
the
fencing
is
great.
I
mean
people
say,
move
the
rays
to
tampa
move
the
rays
to
canada.
G
They
should
come
right
here,
because
the
sizzler
fencing
is
that
good,
the
fields
look
great.
The
fencing
looks
great.
I
don't
know
whether
it's
black
powder
coat,
if
it's
like
vinyl
coated
or
galvanized,
I
don't
know
what
it
is,
but
that
fencing
needs
to
be
replicated
at
sizzler
field,
because
I
went
out
there
the
other
day.
You
could
have
told
me
that
the
fences
were
put
in
yesterday.
I
would
have
believed
you.
I
mean,
there's
no
rust
on
them
at
all
the
softball
field,
which,
as
we
all
know,
is
the
sisler
field.
G
G
We
just
did
the
murals
out
in
front
of
it
too,
so
really
aside
from
the
fact
that
it's
kind
of
like
putting
our
money
where
our
mouth
is,
because
we
want
to
claim
it
as
this
awesome
historical,
you
know
significant
field
and
then
you
know
we're
going
to
let
the
fencing
go
really
bad,
but
also
the
safety
aspect
of
it.
I
put
some
pictures
in
the
back
up.
G
You
can
scroll
through
them
or
flip
through
them,
you're
going
to
see
sections
held
up
with
plastic,
zip
ties,
a
bunch
of
the
different
joints
are
completely
rusted
rotted
through
it.
Just
it
really
needs
help
and
then
another
aspect
of
it
is
fairness.
I
know
it
was
never
intended
this
way,
but
2019
we
replaced
both
the
baseball
fields
and
then
softball
was
sitting
there
waiting
patiently.
G
G
G
D
Thank
you
mayor,
there's
ron,
you
might
have
to
help
me
I'll.
Look
for
the
roosevelt
sea
wall
is
that
in
this
budget,
or
is
that
one
of
those?
I
don't
even
I
don't
see
it
in
the
wish
list,
either
the
roosevelt
boulevard
sea
wall,
I'm
not
familiar
with
that.
One
I'll
tell
you,
you
know
what
I'm
talking
about.
I
know
you
know
what
I'm
talking
about
seeing
franchise.
Of
course,
we've
talked
about
it.
H
J
J
D
D
So
I
I'd
like
for
that-
that's
repair
that
needs
to
be,
I
think,
fixed
the
sunshine,
the
sun
shades
over
the
equipment
at
sunset
beach.
I
think
that's
on
our
wish
list.
I'd
really
like
to
get
something
for
the
kids
out
there
at
sunset
beach,
so
they
don't
burn
their
back
ends
the
shelter
that
was
torn
down
because
it
was
dangerous.
I
think
we
need
to
put
that
back
up.
D
It's
really
sad!
You
go
out
there
there's
morning
shade,
but
then
from
the
east,
but
in
the
west
that
whole
spot
is
completely
open
to
the
sun
again,
and
people
put
their
lawn
chairs
there
and
they're
in
their
coolers
thinking
that
they're
mimicking
being
in
a
in
a
picnic
shelter.
So
that
would
be
good
to
get
that
back.
D
D
D
The
arcadis
there
was
two
things:
one
there's
a
cdbg
grant
for
sea
level
rise.
That
dr
robinson
had
talked
to
mr
hoddy
from
pinellas
county,
the
sustainability
coordinator
there
and-
and
the
idea
was
to
use
that
money
for
the
arcadis
twenty
five
thousand
dollars
for
the
match,
for
the
planning
grant,
which
would
be
three
hundred
thousand
dollars,
and
that
would
go
to
competing
for
the
large
five
to
six
million
dollar
infrastructure
grant
for
fixing
the
flooding
around
whitcomb
bayou
or
whatever
else
we
we
decided
to
pursue.
It's.
D
A
D
D
E
D
H
D
Okay,
yeah,
I
mean
they're
fine,
they
just
wanted
larger
and
the
the
two
things
that
I
talked
about:
the
city
manager.
We
were
owed.
We
owed
the
residents,
a
town
hall
meeting
on
the
former
hoffman
sunday
properties
as
far
as
what
we're
going
to
do,
but
I,
as
far
as
beautification,
that's
a
real
key
focal
point
on
the
town,
and
I
would
like
to
see
something
whether
it's
even
just
sodding
and
and
irrigation,
and
cleaning
that
field
that
that
corner
up
would
be
nice
and
then
also
the
art.
D
The
dynami
developers
have
rescinded
their
contract
with
the
144
east,
tarpon
avenue,
forbes
property-
I
I
don't
know
when
we're
going
to
ever
get
that
thing
taken
care
of
as
far
as
built
or
anything
like
that,
but
I
really
would
like
to
see
that
fixed.
As
far
as
beautification
goes
take
the
fences
down
beautify.
It
do
something
paint
the
walls
just
so
we
can.
We
can
have
something
there
other
than
it.
Looking
like.
You
know
some
back
alley
somewhere
that
that
that
doesn't
match
the
rest
of
the
town.
D
D
D
Vice
mayor
carr,
the
the
I
the
spring
bayou
and
that
that
throat
between
spring
bayou
and
whitcomb,
I
agree
with
you
on
that
and
and
we've
talked
about
a
manatee
educational
set.
At
least
I
have
with
the
city
manager
and
the
manatee
educational
center,
utilizing
existing
buildings
there
at
craig
park,
but
the
first
step
in
getting
that
dredged
really
needs
to
be
a
benthic
survey
which
basically
characterizes
the
value.
So
what
whatever
we
do?
We
don't
mess
it
up.
I
guess
is
what
I'm
getting
at.
D
D
So
I
agree
with
you
on
that,
but
we
need
to
kind
of
get
some
help
on
this
from
an
environmentalist
to
kind
of
guide
us
and
then
also
the
city
manager.
Of
course,
the
I
know
this
is
the
charter
thing
that
we're
going
to
talk
about
last
january,
the
bathymetric
surveys
of
the
recreational
values.
Did
you
make
any
progress
on
that
or
yeah.
D
Something
this
year
on
that,
okay,
I
think
that's
it
I,
those
are
mostly
repairs.
I
think
the
other
ideas
that
the
commission
has
are
wonderful
ideas
and
I'd
like
to
see
them
all
done.
I
think
we
need
to,
as
I've
always
said,
prioritize
them,
so
we
can't
get
everything
done
at
the
same
time.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you.
I
have
a
whole
list
of
things
that
I
was
going
to
to
bring
up,
but
most
of
them
have
been
already
covered,
but
there
are
some
things
that
I
want
to
talk
about.
Mr
liquidus,
we
talked
about
in
the
past
that
we
need
to
purify
the
streets
coming
to
to
the
city
hall.
They
look
terrible.
The
the
pine
street
from
north
pinellas
to
here
to
the
city
hall
looks
terrible.
It
needs
to
be
beautified.
A
A
Mr
smith,
I
have
a
question
to
ask
you
just
about
every
year
we're
talking
about
leaf
stations
that
they
need
to
be
repaired.
I
don't
know
some
of
those
have
probably
been
there
for
many
many
years.
Do
you
have
any
action
plan
that
we
know
what
maintenance
they
need
to
be
done
on
that,
and,
if
you
do,
can
you
share
that
with
us
that
way
we
can
actually
put
dollars
next
to
those
projects.
I
Yes,
we
do.
We
have
an
annual
plan
where
we
go
around
to
all
60,
lift
stations
or
so
and
that's
in
our
operating
budget
you'll
see
the
various
components
the
wet
well,
the
dry.
Well,
the
pump
rebuilds
the
control
panel.
So
this
is
an
ongoing
maintenance.
Occasionally
we
have
a
major
lift
station
project.
One
is
in
this
year's
budget
for
the
lyman
huey
that
we
just
mentioned,
but
we
also
got
our
ferris
lift
station
coming
up
as
a
next
major
one,
a
few
years
out.
It
shows
up
in
our
capital
our
10-year
plan.
A
A
Q
B
L
A
Q
E
A
A
O
Yes,
sir,
the
vehicles
are
fully
equipped.
We
try
to
get
about
10
years
out
of
the
vehicles,
yeah
they're,
on
a
rotation
and
every
year,
as
you
see,
we
try
to
bring
in
six
new
vehicles
and
rotate
those
out
so
that
in
2022
we're
looking
at
five
vehicles
that
are
2012s
and
one
that's
a
2014
that,
due
to
the
cost
of
maintenance
on
it,
we're
going
to
try
to
get
that
one
off
our
payroll.
B
O
Six
six
vehicles-
yes
yeah
four
patrol
vehicles,
then
we're
gonna
do
two
hybrids.
One
of
them
will
go
to
administration,
major
rogerio
and
the
other
one
to
our
detective
division.
We're
gonna
try
to
see
how
those
will
work
in
the
police
field
and
then
broadcast
out
further
on
looking
at
hybrids,
probably
the
following
fiscal
year.
Any.
O
A
M
M
M
M
A
M
D
D
I
D
I
Yes-
and
I
remember
your
question
about
that-
and
one
of
the
first
things
is:
we've
set
up
a
system
where
we've
got
check
valves
on
the
county's
system.
They
will
automatically
open
if
we
ever
have
a
pressure
drop,
so
we
already
have
a
redundancy
with
water
supply
with
the
county,
which
I
think
is
excellent,
because
within
that
they
have
their
own
redundancies
of
different
sources
of
power.
If
power
goes
out,
we
also
have
redundancies
at
our
ro
plant
for
power
and
at
our
wells.
I
D
Need
like
these
other
options,
no,
not
not
for
a
normal
time,
but
in
case
of
a
cat,
5
hurricane
that
wipes
everything
out
just
as
a
source
of
portable
water.
It's
just
in
our
comp
plan,
we're
required
to
maintain
an
emergency
water
supply,
and-
and
I
understand
the
rest-
I
don't
want
to
paul.
We
could
talk
about
this
more.
I
just
wanted
to
get
an
idea
of
where
these
other
wells
were
so.
Thank
you.
A
Mr
smith,
if
you
stay
there
for
a
minute,
it
was
covered
by
vice
mayor
carr,
that
the
water
pipe
replacement
that
we
budgeted
350
thousand
dollars,
and
this
is
an
ongoing
project.
Now
you
we've
been
working
on
that
for
many
many
years
trying
to
replace
all
the
pipes.
We've
got
a
very,
very
good
water
coming
out
of
the
the
water
plant,
but
we're
gonna
make
sure
the
water
is
good.
A
I
Right
now
our
priority
are
things
like
the
smaller
diameter
galvanized
metal
pipes
that
they
have
a
life
and
once
that
life
gets
exceeded,
they
start
rusting
on
the
inside
and
adding
color
to
the
water.
So
these
are
things
we
want
to
replace
with
plastic
pipe
to
bypass
that
whole
problem.
We're
working
in
the
river
village
community
right
now
replacing
that
very
type
of
issue.
We've
got
a
plan
about,
I
would
say,
that'll
last
us
five
to
seven
years.
I
At
this
point
we
have
to
be
flexible
with
that
plan
on
a
priority
basis,
because
other
things
come
into
play
that
we
can't
predict.
But
our
goal
is
in-house.
We
do
this
work.
We
look
at
our
repair
incidents.
We
look
at
the
materials.
We
have
a
great
help
with
it
and
our
gis
system.
We
can
track
all
the
types
of
pipe
we
have
around
the
city
and
use
all
this
information
to
make
an
in-house
plan.
A
I
I
think
we're
doing
very
well:
we've
reduced
our
funding
a
little
bit
each
year
on
that
just
trying
to
keep
our
rates.
You
know
in
a
manageable
level,
but
we're
doing
that
work
in-house
as
well,
and
I
think
that's
a
great
savings.
The
trade-off
with
that
is.
It
does
take
time.
I
think
we've
made
great
progress
on
it.
We'll
continue
to
make
progress,
but
I
think
we're
already
seeing
results
in
terms
of
our
meter
reading
the
ability
of
the
customer
to
diagnose
water
leaks
much
better.
Yes,
I
think
the
program's
going
well.
A
A
A
J
Going
to
affect
so
many
people,
it
definitely
is,
but
with
the
news
of
being
awarded
the
money,
I've
initiated
the
scoping
work
with
our
engineer,
because
we
still
have
to
do
the
design
work
that
has
to
start
this
year
and
definitely
will
involve
a
lot
of
public
input.
You're
right
about
that.
We're
going
to
need
to
do
that
and
that's
going
to
be
an
important
part
of
this
project,
but
as
we
stand
right
now,
parallel
path,
I'm
working
on
the
state
paperwork
for
the
for
the
grant.
J
B
C
A
Yes,
been
working
a
long
time
trying
to
get
the
funding
for
this
project.
Thank
you.
Yes,
sir
mr
function,
the
sports
complex
lying
in
the
field
improvements
we
budgeted
four
hundred
thousand
dollars.
We
have
many
many
kids,
many
children
using
these
facilities
you'll
be
surprised
how
many
kids
are
actually
playing
soccer.
A
P
N
P
It
they
call
it
half
a
field.
It
is
not
regulation
size.
Yes,
so
we're
looking
to
expand
that
and
also
add
lights
on
there'll,
be
all
to
be.
Some
they'll
have
quite
a
bit
of
earth
work
done
on
there,
we're
going
to
do
all
that
in
the
house
and,
of
course,
most
of
the
monies
that
we're
looking
for
we'll
spend,
probably
mostly
on
the
lighting.
But
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
the
labor
will
all
be
done
in
the
house,
including
the
irrigation.
P
E
Got
actually
a
couple
of
my,
I
think
I
missed
on
mine
mayor,
if
you
don't
mind
so
there's
a
the
tarpon
ave,
tarpon
avenue
and
spring
boulevard
intersection
and
spring
boulevard
orange
street,
and
I
can't
remember
what
what's
that
grand.
I
think
it
is
those
three
intersections
are:
are
a
mess?
They've
been
a
mess
for
many
years
from
pedestrian
safety
to
traffic
flow.
E
E
If
it's
a
dog
park,
something
that's
passive,
if
it's
just
grass
and
we
mow
it-
something
just
to
make
it
a
little
bit
more
attractive
to
the
neighbors,
but
I
do
think
by
dog
park
would
be
nice
on
that
side
of
town.
There's
really
not
a
whole
lot
for
the
dogs
or
owners
of
dogs
on
that
side.
So
thank
you.
J
G
I
would
just
ask:
where
do
we
go
from
here
with
the
cip?
We
just
kind
of
we
all.
We
all
gave
like
a
wish
list
and
different
things
that
we
would
like
to
see.
Is
this
something
that's
going
to
come
back
at
you
know
the
next
work
session,
there'll
be
a
follow-up.
You
know
list
made
by
staff
of
things
they
think
are
going
to
be
in
it
or
are
we
all
going
to
come
together?
Go
item
by
item,
or
I
guess
I'm
just
wondering
where
we
go
from
here
with
the
cip
stuff.
H
My
idea
is
to
compile
all
these
notes
that
I
have
here
of
all
of
them:
compile
them
put
a
cost
by
them
and
come
back
which
we're
going
to
talk
a
little
about.
We
need
to
talk
about
the
date
for
the
third
meeting
because,
as
you
know,
originally
we
were
looking
for
another
date,
because
the
vice
mayor
of
cars
absence,
I
didn't
think
we
had
one,
but
irene
did
find
an
available
date.
If
we've
got
that
available
date,
then
we
have
the
whole
board
together.
H
D
D
R
H
G
G
L
E
R
R
H
E
A
E
Er,
can
I
just
make
a
comment
to
the
staff
like
I
appreciate,
we
all
appreciate
you
all
being
here,
just
a
reminder
like
we,
we
don't
talk
to
each
other
about
stuff,
so
at
times
we
may
poke
at
each
other.
So
it's
nothing
against
you
all
or
towards
you
all
it's
just.
This
is
the
first
time
we
get
to
talk
about
the
stuff
together.
So
just
a
reminder
for
that,
and
we
really
appreciate
everything
that
you
all
have
done
for
this
budget
to
get
to
this
point
as
well,.
A
A
A
Commissioners,
no,
I
got
a
couple
of
things.
I'd
like
to
to
say
is
because
in
the
last
meeting
I
really
didn't
have
much
of
information
to
give
you
in
regards
to
the
sister
city
trip.
If
anybody
wants
to
to
travel
to
to
greece
at
the
same
time
to
for
the
sister
city.
Sign
in
mr
julius
is
the
the
travel
agent.
He
can
actually
give
you
the
information
you
need
and
also
for
a
hotel
in
athens,
but
again
the
transportation
from
athens
to
the
sister
city.
A
We
still
don't
have
any
information
to
the
last
minute,
more
likely,
I'm
going
to
find
out
when
I
get
there,
because
in
some
cases
you
go
by
plane
other
times
you
go
back
by
boat.
So
I
don't
know
also
like
everybody
to
know
that
I'm
having
a
meeting
with
the
cretan
association,
they
will
be
organized
in
a
group
to
come
to
the
chanya
for
the
signing.