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From YouTube: Board of Commissioners August 9, 2021
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Budget Workshop
A
A
A
Mr
donovan
here
mr
betty
kiotis,
here,
I'd
like
to
remind
to
everyone
that
work
sessions
are
primarily
designed
for
information
gathering
and
guidance.
No
formal,
commission
decision
approving
or
disapproving
denier
maybe
be
made.
Only
staff
members
should
be
including
to
the
workstation
discussion
unless
prior
arrangements
have
been
made,
so
the
city
manager,
city
clerk,
will
see
the
attorney
the
last
two
budget
work
sessions.
We
had,
we
had
a
time
limit.
Do
you
want
to
set
a
time
limit
for
tonight.
A
D
You
have
the
sheet
in
front
of
you,
we
left
it
on
the
desk.
I
know
some
of
you
might
expect
something
else.
What
we
did
with
the
cip
list
was.
First
of
all,
you
have
a
capital
projects,
funding
alternative
sheet.
Here
again,
we've
been
working
ron,
herring
and
myself
have
been
working
on
several
aspects
of
it.
You
have
two
categories
that
you
see
on
here.
The
first
one
in
ron
will
explain
it
to
you
a
little
more.
D
We
get
we're
trying
to
anticipate
the
coronavirus
funding
that's
coming
in,
and
this
is
specifically
the
funding
for
a
reduction
in
our
funds
which
doesn't
have
any
restrictions
on
it.
So,
whereas
you
have
the
coronavirus
money,
that's
coming
down,
it's
got
a
lot
of
restrictions,
the
reimbursement
to
us
for
losses,
we're
able
to
use
pretty
much
the
way
we
see
fit
and
the
thought
is
we
have
one.
We
have
a
big
project
that
needs
to
be
done
and
that's
the
roof
chiller
the
public
safety
building.
D
Again,
we
can
talk
some
more
about
that
project
and
and
what
it
needs
to
be,
and
we
added
one
of
the
items
in
there
to
a
surfing
and
the
court
street
parking
lot
library,
parking
lot
and
culture
parking
lot.
We
we
introduced
those
those
two
which
came
the
total
of
960
thousand
dollars,
ron's,
anticipating
we're
going
to
have
between
1.2
and
1.5
million.
D
So
these
are
some
major
projects.
That's
either
going
to
have
to
come
out
of
the
penny
fund
or
our
cip
budget
that
that
we
could
fund
by
this
and
again
we'll
get
we'll
go
back
to
it
and
have
some
questions,
but
we
kind
of
separated
those
out
because,
as
you
know,
that
would
take
a
huge
chunk
of
of
our
other
funds.
So
we
kind
of
separated
that
out
ron
thinks
we
can
use
that
money
for
it
and
that's
why
you
see
it
on
top.
D
These
are
all
subject
for
discussion
tonight.
We
want
to
see
where
we
are,
because,
if
you
did
all
these
projects,
you'd
almost
have
the
penny
fund
money
that
we
know
of
right
now
again,
and
maybe
it
may
be
more-
we
may
have
some
later,
but
we
wanted
to
go
through
these
major
ones
and
see
where
you
were
with
them,
which
ones
were
definite
that
you
wanted
to
fund,
and
that
leaves
us
more
of
an
idea
with
what
money
we
have
left
to
do.
D
Some
of
those
lists
of
projects
that
are
that
were
lesser
dollar
amount
in
nature
and
and
decide
where
those
goes.
Those
those
include
the
design,
engineering
and
building
the
sidewalk
sports
complex
to
melon.
Originally,
we
had
planned
for
this
budget
to
maybe
just
just
budget
the
75
to
100
000
for
the
design
and
then
do
the
project
the
year
after
that's
still
able
to
do
now,
but
there
has
been
concern
from
several
of
this
board
about
that
project
and
getting
that
project
done
so
we're
offering
up.
D
If
that's
the
case
and
that's
what
you
wanted
to
do,
that's
where
we
got
the
500
000,
obviously
we're
making
a
stab
at
how
much
it's
going
to
cost
without
the
engineering
we'll
know
from
the
design
and
stuff,
but
we're
anticipating-
and
you
know,
bob
can
tell
you
when
we
get
that
item
a
little
more.
Why
we're
anticipating
a
higher
cost
than
can
be
expected
by
that
on
the
sizzler
field,
improvements
that
we
talked
about
and
had
agreement?
I
I
broke
that
down,
because
the
sister
field,
fencing
was
the
one
commissioner
donovan
brought
up.
D
There's
pretty
much
consensus
about,
but
tom's
going
to
tom
function
will
tell
you
tonight
that
really
it
needs
to
go
in
conjunction
with
work
on
the
field.
The
corn
replaced
the
infield
strip
inside
the
outfield,
replace
the
irrigation
drain
improvement
a
complete
doing
of
that
field.
So
we
think
that's,
maybe
important
to
add
to
it
to
get
the
whole
project
done
and
then
on
on
the
30
000
for
the
jc
field.
That
can
either
be
there's
two
things
in
in
the
budget.
There
was
the
fence
that
commissioner
donovan
mentioned.
D
We
added
some
additional
set,
shade
sales
sunset
beach
and
which
will
be
you
know,
which
would
be
a
higher
cost,
we're
thinking
about
55
to
60
and
and
the
leftover
money.
Maybe
do
additional
ones
at
one
of
the
ball
fields,
the
roosevelt
seawall
design
and
build
again
that
that's
an
estimated
200
000
dollars
that
you
that
bob
robertson
could
talk
about.
D
We
had
talked
about
doing
something
with
that
land
on
gulf
road,
which
is
going
to
be
a
future
fire
department.
If
we're
going
to
do
that,
we
really
need
to
do
the
ground
stabilization.
If
you
remember
when
we
bought
the
property
there's,
there
are
some
issues
under
the
ground.
Again,
we
can
talk
about
that
and
what
needs
to
be
done.
D
So
that's
a
total,
that's
a
total
of
close
to
the
1.5
million
open
for
discussion,
see
where
we
are
with
that
and
then
again
we
can.
We
can
talk
about
or
we've
got
plenty
of
time.
The
budget
goes
on.
You
know
every
month.
So
if
we
wanted
to
add
things
in
between
that
stuff,
but
I
thought
we'd
open
these
up
for
discussion
and
all
the
staff
is
prepared
to
talk
about
any
of
these
issues.
D
A
D
A
H
Yeah,
in
most
cases,
on
a
normal
type
of
sidewalk,
depending
of
course
on
the
site
you're
working
on
it,
wouldn't
be
all
that
expensive
about
35,
40
bucks,
lineal
foot
in
this
case
here
when
you're
running
from
melon
street
heading
south
towards
tarpon
ave,
is
a
number
of
issues
we
have.
One
is
elevation
changes
from
melon
as
you
go,
of
course,
towards
the
a
little
bit
up,
there's
a
low
spot
for
some
drainage.
So
we
have
some
drainage
issues
there.
H
As
you
get
a
little
bit
further
up
the
road,
you
actually
have
three
on
one
slopes
on
both
sides
of
the
roadway
they
come
down.
You
also
have
a
driveway.
You
also
have
the
entrance
to
the
the
rose
cemetery
as
you
get
further
down,
then
again,
as
we
get
down
the
lower
section,
you
have
another
issue
with
drainage
where
the
the
swamp
area
right
feeds
over
to
the
to
the
gulf
over
to
the
existing
cemetery
right.
So
there's
a
lot
of
there's
a
lot
of
work
there.
H
H
H
G
I
Tom
and
bob
have
you
guys
looked
at
just
redoing
the
whole
road
so
bringing
in
more
dirt
instead
of
retrofitting
the
sidewalk
bringing
more
dirt,
I
mean
what
the
new
road
costs
I
mean:
600,
750
000,
and
then
that
way
you
don't
have
to
have
sidewalks
and
boats
or
the
walls
built,
and
you
have
a
level
space
going
in
from
the
sidewalk
now
to
the
road
and
then
you've
got
a
new
road.
Also
I
mean
for
that
price
tag.
We
should
be
able
to
build
a
pretty
nice
road.
I
think.
H
I
F
F
F
G
C
Couldn't
start
any
comments,
yeah,
just
just
real
quick
since
you
brought
it
up
mayor,
you
guys
know
I'm
a
solutions
guy.
So
yes,
my
question
is:
has
you
looked
at
the
west
side?
I
know
that
it
would
be
most
desirable
to
have
the
sidewalk
on
the
east
side
where
the
ballpark
is,
but
I
mean
on
the
east
on
the
west
side,
you
don't
have
any
elevation
change,
you
know,
assuming
we
have
enough
right-of-way
and
we
have
jurisdiction
of
jasmine.
C
H
F
C
It
makes
sense
I
mean,
I
think
we
all
agree
that
you
know
we
need
some
form
of
walking
path
to
down
jasmine
in
between
the
areas
that
we're
talking
about,
but
I
mean
if
it's
a
substantial
saving
and
we
have
jurisdiction
of
jasmine.
So
it's
not
as
if
we
have
to
ask
anybody
for
a
you
know
to
build
a
crosswalk
that
we
would
want,
and
you
can
you
know
just
throw
numbers
out
there
save
in
half
or
250
and
put
that
towards
sidewalks
and
other
aspects
of
the
community.
C
C
C
H
I
would
like
to
bring
up
one
point:
if
you
don't
mind,
we
do
have
old
cemetery
there,
and
one
of
my
recommendations
would
be
to
look
at
what's
in
the
ground.
They'll
have
to
penetrate
ground,
penetrating
radar
to
make
sure
that
we're
not
encompassing
any
type
of
graveyards
outside
that
fence,
so
that
cost
would
also
be
in
that
that
design
yeah.
That's
a.
H
C
J
Yeah,
thank
you
mayor.
I
don't
have
any
questions
as
it
pertains
to
the
sidewalk
construction.
I
was
just
wondering
I
guess,
for
the
structure
of
the
meeting.
Are
we
going
to
go
through
the
capital
project
shopping
list
here
and
just
ask
any
questions
we
might
have
about
it
x
out
what
we
don't
want.
Are
we
going
to
well.
A
K
H
K
Well,
I
I
think
that
we
and
I
spoke
to
the
city
manager
about
this
a
little
bit
today.
I
don't
have
a
problem
exploring
either
option
one
way
or
the
other.
I
I
think
if
we're
gonna
look
at
the
west
side
and
the
east
side,
maybe
we
should
just
get
some
kind
of
a
a
conceptual
idea
plan
which
way
would
be
the
most
beneficial
before
we
start
designing.
I
think
the
7500
is
is
basically
a
an
all-out
design
on
the
east
side.
Is
that
correct?
That's.
F
K
Maybe
the
first
step
would
be.
I
don't
have
a
problem,
putting
the
500
000
aside,
if
that's,
if
we
could
reprogram
that,
for
whatever
reason,
if
we
do
do
it
on
the
west
side
and
it
costs
a
lot
less
than
that,
but
maybe
some
kind
of
an
exploratory
study
to
determine
what
which
side
would
be
the
best
as
far
as
cost
and
also
to
actually
serve
the
purpose
of
safely
getting
children
and
pedestrians
from
the
north
end
by
what
melon
street
to
the
sports
complex.
J
J
You
see
that
in
the
budget
background
as
well.
The
other
thing
you
see
in
the
budget
background
that
I
had
attached
was
thirty
thousand
dollars,
possibly
for
the
jc
field,
fencing,
and
so
I
guess,
if
I
can
understand
from
staff's
point
of
view,
is
it
just
you're
saying
it
just
makes
more
sense
when
you're
ripping
all
the
fencing
out
of
the
ground
to
go
ahead
and
redo
the
infield
in
the
outfield.
H
D
That
has
so
so
really
your
original
30
000
for
the
fencing
could
be
could
be
for
the
jc
field.
It's
the
sizzler
field,
where
the
fencing
and
the
field
work,
and,
and
why
don't
you
go
ahead
and
explain
why
you're
there?
Why
why
the
importance
of
doing
the
work
on
the
field?
When
you
do
the
fencing
there.
H
Yeah,
as
far
as
sister
feel
goes,
and
you
notice
the
elevation
changes
from
home
plate
to
the
pitcher's
mound
all
the
way
up
to
center
field,
actually
drains
back
off
towards
the
batting
cages
towards
the
new
concession
stand.
That
needs
to
be
brought
down
a
record
and
then
brought
up
and
then
put
a
nice
little
slope
on
the
fields
over
here.
The
ball
field
should
be
built
over
here.
So
that's
why
we
can't
put
a
fence
up
and
not
do
the
field.
H
J
Yeah
I
mean
the
sisler
field.
Fencing
to
me
is,
is
I
mean
a
huge
priority?
Obviously,
if
it's
going
to
take
the
system
field
work
as
well,
then
you
know
the
more
the
merrier
it's
just
going
to
be
better
for
the
kids
to
play
on.
So
I
guess
so.
That'd
be
90
grand
correct
for
the
sister
field,
fencing
and
then
the
sister
field
work.
Yes,
it
could
be
90
grand
okay.
J
Yeah
I
mean,
and
again
you
can
see
it
in
the
letter
from
the
vp
of
of
tarpon
springs
little
league,
baseball
and
softball
that
the
jc
field,
fencing
is
also
is
also
an
anita,
some
love.
But
I
understand
if,
given
the
new,
you
know
40
grand
additional
from
the
sisler
fencing.
If,
if
you
know
the
board
has
a
little
bit
of
heartburn
over
it,
but
I
think
sisler
field
should
be
the
priority
again.
I
think
we're
going
to
spend
30
000
on
jc
field.
J
I
I
I
just
wanna
make
sure
that
the
one
field
doesn't
cost
90
and
it
costs
90
to
do
the
other
two.
So,
okay,
I
just
want
to
clarify
that.
So
I'm
I've
had
a
lot
of
complaints
about
the
fields
flooding
at
sizzler
field.
So
I
understand
what
you're
saying
tom,
I
think
it
makes
sense
completely.
The
defense
might
be
original
from
1920..
I
don't
know
mark
it's
in
bad
shape.
So
the
part
that
I
do
have
questions
about
is
the
jc
field
myself.
I
would
rather
see
riverside
field.
The
refence
and
jc
field.
G
I
Years
old,
maybe
I
don't
know
how
old
it
actually
is,
the
fencing,
but
the
fencing
is
literally
falling
apart
at
the
riverside
field
in
some
places.
So
to
me
I
would
rather
see
that
30
thousand
dollars
to
be
sent
on
the
riverside
soccer
field
before
we
do
the
jc
field,
and
then
we
could
allocate
like
a
talk
to
you
center
manager
to
have
some
type
of
capital
improvement
with
the
fields
to
say
in
two
years.
I
The
jc
field
is
is
planned
to
do
that,
and
then
it
hits
the
budget
at
that
point
yes
to
move
forward,
but
I
think
that
as
a
board,
we
should
really
look
at
riverside
field
fencing
because
that
was
discussed
at
the
last
meeting.
But
that's
not
on
this
list
right.
So
right
now
that
riverside
field
for
the
tennis
court
or
the
soccer
field
isn't
on
the
list
for
replacement
right.
I
H
C
Thank
you.
So
I
was
also
going
to
try
and
get
a
little
clarity
on
the
the
field
rehabilitations.
I
know
that
we
did.
You
know
a
pretty
good
makeover
on
probably
half
of
the
fields,
and
I
was
curious
if
we
did
jc
field
not
long
ago,
but
evidently
we
didn't
otherwise
you
wouldn't
be
recommending
the
soil,
replacement
and
whatnot
right.
H
C
So
my
thinking
would
be
similar
to
the
vice
mayors
in
terms
of
the
priority
I
think
jc
field
can
wait
and
then
I
would
like
to
see
the
riverside
field
redone
as
well
the
fencing
there-
and
I
was
going
to
ask
what
the
if
we
had
any
numbers
associated
with
that
you're
saying
it's
60.
it's
about
60,
000.
yeah,
so
so
the
sisler
field,
rework
with
the
infield
and
then
the
fencing.
I
definitely
support
and
then
the
next
item.
As
far
as
fencing
and
fields,
my
priority
would
be
the
riverside
field.
A
A
C
A
C
D
You're
talking
about
oh,
it's
54.,
adding
30
for
that
you're
talking
about
adding
30
000
to
the
to
this
yeah
60
for
the
riverside
field
and
then
even
seeing
if
there's
another
30
000
available
when
we
go
and
again
they'll
tell
us,
we
go
through
some
of
these
other
items
because
there
is,
there
is
still
some
money
available,
I'm
sure
after
we
go
through
these
items,
there's
going
to
be
some
money
available.
The.
H
H
K
Okay,
so
I
I
think,
just
to
kind
of
make
it
look
finished
off
we're
going
to
be
spending
this
much
money.
On
that
the
other
thing
mayor,
I
wanted
to
say
at
some
point
on
a
lot
of
this
stuff
that
we've
got.
We
we
give
the
budget
advisory
committee
and
we
asked
them
for
their
help
and
at
some
point
I
did
speak
to
city
manager
about
this
too.
K
Some
of
these
other
items
that
may
not
be
so
obvious
of
what
we
do.
We
should
have
some
recreation
advisory
board
input
on
some
of
these,
as
well
from
a
priority
prioritization.
They
may
have
some
other
issues
that
are
a
priority
as
well
that
we
should
look
at
during
budget
time.
I
don't
know
that
we've
done
that
and
it
not
this
time
of
course,
but
maybe
next
time,
okay,
I
mean
I'd
like
to
get
some
input
from
other
than
ourselves.
Our
five.
You
know
the
five
of
us
sitting
up
here,
yeah.
K
K
K
A
K
No,
I
know
I
think,
that's
that's
an
excellent
thing,
and
and
by
the
way
I
the
the
one
item
that
is
on
here
with
regard
to
the
resurfacing
restriping
court
street
parking
lot
library
parking
lot
cultural
parking
lot.
I
I
think
that's
an
excellent
example.
If
we
didn't
have
coronavirus,
our
crews
would
have
been
out
there
doing
it,
but
they
weren't
out
there
doing
it.
So,
let's
contract
it
out
and
get
it
done.
That
is
a
good,
very
good
rationale
for
why
we're
going
to
contract
that
out.
So
I
understand
mirror.
G
I
I
D
D
D
I
G
D
H
Yeah,
I
was
telling
sales
people
you
know
wherever
you're
putting
these
shade
shells
out
depending
on
the
usage
of
course,
sunset
beach
is
used
all
day
long.
So
you
need
something
that
covers
it,
no
matter
which
direction
is
wherever
the
sun
happens,
to
be
ball,
field's
a
little
bit
different.
If
you
most
of
the
time
your
games
are
in
the
evenings
or
late
afternoons,
then
the
shades
are
a
little
bit
different,
but
to
build
the
sage
over
top
of
the
sunset
beach
you
got
to
cover.
I
It's
quite
large
got
it,
I
mean
if
you're
going
to
do
it,
you
want
to
do
the
whole
area
instead
of
just
a
small
portion
of
it.
So
I
get
that
part.
Roosevelt
makes
sense.
The
sea
wall
design
makes
sense.
Mark
the
one
thing
I
would
say
like
with
the
ground
stabilization
on
golf
road,
I
mean,
I
know
it
needs
to
be
done,
but
bob,
if
you
could
help
me
understand,
I
think
you're,
the
one
that
was
running
with
this
one
or
mark
you
could.
Let
me
know
who
I
need
to
talk
to.
I
G
D
So
while
the
thought
was
to
put
the
money
in
here
for
doing
it,
we
think
it's
very
easy
with
very
little
equipment
and
cost,
for
instance,
to
do
a
passive
type
park
or
a
dog
park,
or
something
so
we
figured
those
costs
we
could
do
in
this
upcoming
year.
But
you
know
we
just
we
just
felt
that
that
this
is
going
to
have
to
be
done
one
way
or
another
before
we
put
people
on
it
and
do
it
just
in
the
case
of
something
opening
up
that
we
might
want
to
do
that.
D
I
D
Just
let
me
let
me
do
one
note
on
that
and
stuff.
The
orange
street
is
going
to
cost
a
lot
more,
but
some
of
its
utility
and
was
there
there's
other
it's
going
to
be
more
than
500
000
to
do
that,
but
as
far
as
the
money
that
we're
talking
about
dedicating
in
this
budget
from
these
funds,
oh
yeah,
that's
what
we're
talking
about
what
other
like
water,
a
couple!
Other
funds
that
it's
going
to
come
from
for
that
road.
F
For
orange
yeah
it
could
be
a
little
bit
of
storm
water
related
drainage.
If
we
put
in
a
little,
we
do
some
modifications
that
way.
Utilities,
like
you,
said
landscaping.
Whatever
other
valves
we
choose
to
add
to
the
project,
the
scope
of
that
work
is
still
undefined,
so
we
don't
know
everything
that's
going
to
be
in
it.
D
What
we're
trying
to
do
with
that
is:
keep
it
from
taking
into
our
penny
fund
and
our
other
fund,
where
we
take
it
from
it's
an
opportunity
to
use
that
money
and
not
because
otherwise
it
would
be
a
penny
fund
or
a
project,
and
you
see
the
scope
of
that
money.
You
know
pretty
much
your
list
that
you
have
even
this
list
and
obviously
you've
got
a
lot
more
items
that
you
mentioned
on
cip,
that
I
want
to
try
to
find
the
money
to
fund.
D
L
Yes,
as
the
city
manager
is
saying,
if
there
wasn't
for
the
american
rescue
plan,
money
we'd
be
looking
at
the
penny
fund
for
that.
But
under
the
american
rescue
plan
act
you
there's
a
revenue
reduction
money
they
can
make.
They
have
a
calculation
I've
gone
through
the
calculation
and
based
on
the
revenue
reduction.
It
looks
like
we're
between
1.2
and
1.5
million.
L
Well,
it's
a
revenue
reduction.
We
just
can't
use
it
for
anything,
so
there's
certain
guidelines
on
what
we
can
use
it
for
for
that
revenue
reduction
portion
of
the
money-
and
one
of
it
is-
is
police
and
fire
infrastructure,
which
includes
maintenance,
fixed
assets
on
on
the
police
and
fire
buildings.
C
I
understood
yeah,
I
I
forget
who
I
mean
this
is
this?
Is
nothing
new
we've
been
talking
about
this
for
a
couple
years?
I
forget
who
walked
us
all
through
the
the
roof
and
the
chiller
room
a
few
years
ago.
I
was
just
curious
if
there
was
any
monies
aside
from
this,
and
obviously
not
penny
money
that
we
could
utilize.
You
know
through
the
public
safe,
I
mean,
given
that
it's
at
the
public
safety
building.
C
No,
I
was
just
I
didn't
know.
If
you
know
public
safety
money
sometimes
can
be
spent
a
certain
way,
and
I
didn't
know
if
there
was
a
you
know
some
some
funding
through
through
that
account
and
then
my
question
on
the
resurface
and
restripe
tom.
When
you
say
resurface,
that's
like
you're,
going
to
grind
it
down
resurface
or
you're,
just
going
to
blacktop
it
like
with
a
sealant.
H
H
H
H
C
Gotcha,
okay,
thanks
my
thoughts
in
terms
of
the
golf
road
stabilization.
I
guess
my
my
question
would
be:
does
the
stabilization
the
the
level
of
stabilization
does
that
depend
on
the
level
of
use?
In
other
words,
you're
going
to
build
a
3
000
square
foot?
Building
there
you're
going
to
build
a
10
000
square
foot.
Building
there
there's
a
level
of
stabilization
dictate
or
I'm
sorry
does
the
use
dictate
the
level
of
stabilization?
No,
it
doesn't.
C
Okay,
so
my
thinking
there
would
just
be
you
know
until
we
had
an
actual
idea
of
what
our
intentions
are
to
build
there.
If
there
was
a
difference
you
know
in
the
stabilization,
then
I
would
wait
until
we
had
an
idea
of
what
our
use
would
be
there
again.
I
understand
that
it's
you
know
we're
trying
to
spend
this
money
in
a
certain
way.
C
So
if
so,
if
it's
eighty
thousand
dollars,
regardless
of
whether
you
do
x
or
z,
then
it
doesn't
really
matter
right,
correct,
okay!
So
then
I'm
okay
with
spending
the
money,
because
then
it
just
frees
us
up
to
to
do
whatever
we
want
with
it
one
way
or
the
other.
It
would
be
different
for
me.
If
it
was,
you
know
the
the
level
of
stabilization
was
different,
but
it's
not
so
I'm
good
with
it.
I
don't
have
anything
else.
There.
J
I
don't
I
don't
have
a
problem
with
with
what's
on
the
list.
As
far
as
a
budget
perspective
goes,
I
just,
I
guess,
we'll
just
we'll
just
kind
of
see
what
happens
with
those
coveted
funds,
and
I
know
it'll
come
back
to
us
at
a
later
date
once
everything's
solidified,
but
I
just
I
would
have
some
heartburn
on
getting
coveted
relief
funds
from
covid
and
then
spending
you
know
over
80
percent
of
them
on
a
roof
and
chiller.
So
I
mean
I'm
happy
again
as
far
as
placeholders
go
to
to
say
all
right.
J
D
D
K
K
The
building
assessment
just
we're
talking
about
that
that
needs
to
be
updated.
I
talked
to
city
manager
about
that,
because
I
wasn't
sure
I
was
looking
at
these
lists.
Oh
my
gosh,
we've
got
all
these
things
to
do,
and,
and
city
manager
of
course
remind
me
that
some
of
these
things
we've
already
done
and
I
think
ron
did
as
well.
I
spoke
to
ron
about
that.
So
that
would
be
helpful
and
also
the.
K
D
Yeah
orange
street
was
the
net
lemon
street
which
what
we
you
know.
We
talked
about
lemon
street
mrs
cledakas,
and
that's
coming
up.
That
was
already
budgeted.
The
one
after
lemon
street
was
orange
street,
which
we
want
to
budget
in
this
upcoming
budget
and
then
and
then
then
then,
the
next
thing
that
you
know
I
know
these
court
street
is
one
of
the
top
ones,
which
would
be
the
next
place
where
we
go.
I
believe.
G
A
L
A
L
I
keep.
I
talk
to
the
other
finance
directors,
we're
hoping
by
the
end
of
the
month.
We
get
the
first
half
of
it,
but
you
get
the
money,
then
there's
the
eligible
uses-
and
I
mentioned
the
revenue
reduction
portion
of
it
and
then
there's
the
infrastructure
for
water,
sewer
and
storm
water
infrastructure
and
cyber
security.
L
And
then
the
other
parts
is
for
health
services.
I'm
not
sure.
If
there's
that
much
of
that
we
can
use
that
for
for
us,
and
there
might
be
some,
but
then
the
other
part
is
premium
pay
for
for
workers.
So
those
are
like
the
four
components
of
the
american
rescue
plan,
the
health
services
premium
pay
infrastructure
and
then
the
revenue
reduction
portion.
A
L
A
F
F
A
F
Don't
typically
need
to
no,
you
don't
typically
need
to,
it
can
be
done,
but
you
don't
typically
need
to
okay,
so
you're,
basically
filling
those
voids
with
grout
until
the
back
pressure
reaches
the
level
that
they're
full
and
there's
a
grid
that
these
are
installed
in.
So
it
pretty
much
stabilizes
it
for
good.
A
F
A
F
A
I
I
L
L
I
I
That's
part
of
the
10.7,
yes,
okay,
so
I
I
do
believe,
although
I'm
in
agreement
with
the
cooler
in
the
roof,
I
mean
we
need
to
look
at
it
as
a
whole
and
what
other
projects
are
out
there
too.
So,
but
I'm
in
support
of
that
for
right
now.
One
thing
I
brought
up
too
and
I
sent
it
to
you
and
mark-
was
looking
at
a
some
type
of.
How
did
I
phrase
it?
I
can't
remember
about
solar
panels
for
our
main
buildings.
Yes,.
A
D
L
Yeah,
I
might
have
gone
through
this
presentation
before,
but
just
explaining
the
cra,
the
area
that
is
it
started
in
2001.
It
expires
after
30
years.
Obviously,
the
area
of
the
cra
the
base
year
of
41
million
37
900,
was
the
base
taxable
value
any
taxable
values
over
the
base
year
for
city
and
county
go
into
the
cra.
It's
called
tax,
increment
financing.
L
L
G
L
D
Much
in
in
the
cra
fund
some
things
to
highlight
that
we
need
to
talk
about
again.
You
know
I've
been
dealing
for
tonight
for
some
of
the
major
items
and
stuff
there.
There
are
several
main
things
in
the
cra
that
we
have
to
talk
about
as
a
board
and
plan
a
budget.
One
is
the
parking
and
what
we,
what
we
are
going
to
do
as
a
board
and
dedicating
money
towards
towards
parking
for
the
cra.
D
D
That's
a
major
item
that
we
need
to
look
at
and
and
talk
about
in
the
cra
and
again
funding
that
you
know
dictates
some
of
the
other
things
you
do
in
funding,
but
it
was.
It
was
something
that
is
coming
forward.
In
fact,
dudley
sally
was
one
of
the
group
that
met
with
me
about
a
week
before
he
passed
away
and
was
very
excited
to
bring
this
project
forward.
So
it's
about
a
hundred
thousand
dollar
project,
so
that
needs
to
be
talked
about.
D
If,
if
you
know
we're
dedicating
that
money
to
it,
that's
one
of
the
major
issues
that
we
need
to
talk
about.
The
one
other
thing
we're
going
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
tonight
that
that
we
haven't
quite
got
the
amount
of
funding
for
that
is,
is
reserved.
It's
not
budgeted,
but
it's
reserved
in
this
year's
budget
we
haven't
got
to
is
the
railroad
arm
and
I
want.
D
I
want
bob
robertson
to
talk
about
a
little
bit
of
where
we
are
with
the
railroad
arm
and
where
we're
doing
those
are
three
of
the
bigger
things
to
talk
about
and,
of
course,
there's
lots
of
other
things
and
ideas
that
we've
got
on
list
to
talk
about
for
this
cra.
But
I
think
with
the
time
that
those
are
three.
Those
are
three
things
that
we
should
talk
about
and
get
a
feel
for
for
the
budget
purposes.
I
D
Parking,
you
know
what
we're
going
to
do
about
dedication.
You
know
dedicating
money
in
in
for
future.
Parking
needs
parking,
the
parking
situation
that
we've
we've
talked
about,
and
I
don't
know
in
this
year
we
are
going
to
have
probably
some
role.
We
had
a
hundred
thousand
budgeted
because
we
were
looking
positive
from
other
areas.
Ron,
that's
money
that
how
much
do
we
have
that
that
will
roll
over,
and
so
the
board
can
talk
about
if
they
want
to
add
to
that
money
or
yeah.
L
L
D
Additional
what
this
board
would
want
to
dedicate
if
they
wanted
to
dedicate
and
and
reserve
in
the
cra,
for
whatever
we're
going
to
do
in
the
future
for
parking.
I
think
that's
again.
These
are
major
things
that
we
can
look
at
all
the
other
things
and
do,
but
we
need
to
decide
on
these
big
things
to
see
what
we're
looking
you
know,
what
we're
actually
looking
at
with
a
fund.
So
that's
why
I
want
to
talk
about
those
three
okay.
K
A
N
A
N
A
A
A
D
H
Yeah
well
a
couple
things
we
do.
We
want
to
add
some
trees
and
also
want
to
add
some
additional
lighting.
The
lighting's
been
an
issue
because
I
ordered
lights
back
in
december.
We
still
have
not
received
them,
so
it's
been
eight
nine
months,
yeah
we've
been
doing
some
upgrading,
so
we
did.
We
did
finish
some
of
the
stuff
on
the
trail,
from
safford
avenue,
up
to
lemon
street,
add
some
flower
pots
and
some
things
over
there
and
we'll
continue
moving
that
down
the
line.
H
A
D
H
Yeah
we've
we've
done
the
beautification
on
the
corner
of
dodecanese
and
alternate
19
at
the
parking
lot,
we're
putting
that
we'll
be
putting
another
tree
on
one
of
those
planters
at
on
the
on
the
west
side
of
walter
19.
Just
up
from
the
decades
we
worked
with
the
the
doll
house.
We
beautified
that
area.
Of
course
we
were
placing
the
flower
pots
as
we
go
along.
We
just
don't
have
many
properties
that
we've
had
an
opportunity
to
do
much
along
the
way.
Unfortunately,.
H
Yeah
as
we
get
those
work
orders
when
we're
getting
them
in
and
we're
working
with,
duke
again,
they
changed.
Some
polls
along
there
they've
been
they've,
been
a
little
bit
slacking
getting
back
and
making
those
repairs.
I've
been
working
with
our
representative
from
duke
to
get
that
was
done,
but
as
those
come
in
we're
using
a
work
order,
we're
working
fixing
those
ourselves
in
house.
A
D
A
D
A
D
It's
a
it's,
a
great
piece
of
history,
it's
very
popular
when
you
see
it
come
out
to
the
events
and
we'd
always
you
know,
we
had
talked
about
some
different
ways
to
do
that.
This
idea
that
was
brought
forward
not
only
gives
a
place
where
the
it's
almost
like
a
landmark
to
go
like
a
major
piece
of
art
like
a
destination
place
when
they're
going
to
the
depot
or
going
to
museum
or
going
downtown.
D
This
would
be
a
glass
type
garage
structure
that
would
display
the
jitney
full
time
and
have
the
full
capabilities
to
serve
as
the
garage
and
bring
the
jitney
out
and
go
to
our
events
like
it
did
for
our
dedication
of
the
plaque.
You
know
in
the
cultural
center,
so
it
would
be
a
focus
point.
It
would
be
if
you've
seen
the
building
and
we
are
getting
some
services
on
the
design
of
the
building
that
come
along
with
that
proposition.
D
If
you
look
at
it,
you
kind
of
see
what
we
talk
about
in
the
cra
and
destination
points,
and
you
know,
picture
locations
and
attractions
of
of
people
coming
to,
and
I
think
this
this
would
be
looking
at
it.
Not
only
you
would
get
the
use
of
it
for
people
to
get
to
see,
but
the
availability
of
somewhere
to
store
it
and
bring
it
out,
and
I
think
it
just
hits
all
the
check
marks
on
what
you'd
want
to
do.
For
for
this
historical
vehicle.
I
I
It
is,
I
think,
an
art
piece,
that's
being
preserved
and
you're
showcasing
it
within
the
city.
It's
a
neat
attraction
point
for
people
that
are
walking
to
downtown
to
give
them
another
area
of
something
to
in
our
downtown
area.
So
I
do
support
it.
I
just
I'm
not
sure
if
I
support
the
whole
hundred
thousand
dollars
for
that
mark.
I
would
like
to
understand
the
hundred
thousand
a
little
bit
more.
I
If
it
could
that
be
cut
back
a
little
bit,
I
do
like
the
design
it's
nice
with
a
nice
looking
roof
in
the
glass
building.
You
could
also
do
like
an
old
picture
of
downtown
with,
like
the
jit,
the
old
school
cars
like
I'm,
looking
at
one
right
now
with
the
diagonal
parking
of
downtown
tarpon
avenue,
or
you
could
have
something
like
that
that
you
show
the
old
cars
even
in
downtown
on
the
back
side,
where
the
doors
are
or
their
barn
doors
or
whatever
they
are
mark.
Is
there
and
ron?
I
N
I
Okay,
so
from
my
standpoint
and
if
you
could
say
there,
I
got
another
question
for
you
karen
I
I
would
rather
see
brick
and
mortar
than
an
additional
plan
updated.
I
don't
know
how
we're
like
how
an
updated
plan
is
going
to
serve
the
cra
better.
So
maybe
we
could
talk
about
that
further
in
more
detail,
but
I'd
rather
see
brick
and
mortar,
with
the
30
to
something
thousand
dollars
instead
of
a
new
plan
put
in
place
karen.
I
So
you
mentioned
that
this
year,
there's
like
60
something
thousand
dollars
already
used
for
the
grants
which
are
great
to
be
used.
I
think
so,
there's
let's
say
35
000
that
will
roll
over
and
there's
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
in
next
year's
budget.
So
does
that
mean
that
it
only
it'll
be
135
000
and
next
year
for
grants,
or
is
it
going
to
just
be
the
70
000
will
make
it
or
65
000
to
make
it
whole?
I
I
I
I
do
think
it's
important
to
keep
allocating
dollars
for
this,
because
it's
going
to
be
a
significant
cost,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
I
think
we
really
need
to
direct
the
city
manager
to
come
back
to
us
and
say
well.
These
are
the
two
properties
that
will
work
and
the
property
owners
either
are
aren't
willing
to
sell
and
we
need
to
do
what's
best
for
our
community
in
this
situation.
I
If,
if
that's
eminent
domain,
I
think
we
need
to
start
working
on
that
process,
but
I
think
we're
behind
with
the
development
that
we're
seeing
in
downtown
and
with
the
demand
for
parking
at
all
times
of
the
day.
If
it's
at
night
or
if
it's
during
the
day
for
the
regular
businesses,
then
it's
something
that
I
really
think
we
should
look
at
and
pursue
further
mark.
You
said:
there's
an
update
in
the
real
arm.
F
F
D
F
D
N
I
I
If
you're
talking
about
where
the
current
location
is,
I
do
like
the
current
location,
but
I
also
like
the
location
at
ring
and
tarpon
avenue
as
well
as
you
come
into
the
historic
district.
I
think
it's
a
nice
piece
even
I
mean,
and
to
I
don't
like,
comparing
anything
that
I
need,
but
to
reference
dunedin.
They
have
two
different
types
of
arms.
They
have
a
rail
arm
that
goes
over
the
railroad
track
area.
I
I
Although
it
would
have
to
be
taller
because
it's
trucking
route
and
tarpon
avenue
would
be
a
good
one
to
say,
welcome
to
tarpon
or
historic
district
of
tarpon
springs,
and
if
we
did
it
over
the
safford
avenue,
it
would
be
like
something
instead
of
like
welcome
to
historic
tarpon
springs,
it
would
be
the
historic
orange
trail,
railroad
or
something
along
those
lines.
But
at
the
end
of
the
day,
when
you
do
design
build
bob,
do
they
would
they
be
able
to
provide
some
ideas?
And
then
we
could.
F
F
I
don't
necessarily
want
to
ask
a
design
build
firm
to
come
in
with
their
exact
design,
because
they're
doing
that
on
their
own
on
an
island
without
input
from
us
and
without
input
from
you
and
the
public.
So
I'd
rather
select
a
firm
that
shows
that
they're
capable
of
doing
that
work
and
then
they
can
come
and
make
those
presentations
and
with
public
input,
come
up
with
a
final
design
for
board
approval.
That's
my
preference
to
do
it.
I
N
I
F
G
I
Okay,
thanks
bob,
yes,
sir,
a
couple
things
I
just
want
to
touch
on
real
quick
is
north
pinellas
avenue
continuing
beautification
at
the
end
of
the
day,
the
crepe
myrtles
between
orange
street
and
live
oak
and
dota
canis.
Just
they
look
terrible,
I
don't
want
to
say
it
would
look
better
without
anything
there,
but
we
really
need
to
focus
on
what
do
we
need
to
do
to
get
more
trees
in
that
corridor
and
who
we
could
focus
on
working
with?
I
know
that's
something.
I
We've
talked
about
for
a
few
years:
safford
and
tarpon
ave
improvements,
another
area,
that's
just
a
pedestrian
bike
trail
if
there's
an
area
to
improve
that
area.
If
it's
a
right
turn
only
instead
of
shooting
across
tarpon
avenue
on
safford,
I
think
that
would
go
a
long
way
mark.
I
think
you
guys
are
looking
at
some
type
of
traffic
study
at
one
point
in
that
area.
I
I
So
similar
to
what
you
have
in
mother
mirrors,
what
you
guys
did
in
my
other
mirrors
parking
lot.
I
thought
it
was
great
and
even
with
the
string
lights
over
hibiscus
in
the
the
back
alley,
I
I
do
believe
that
the
string
lights
along
the
palm
trees
on
safford
avenue
in
the
bike
trail
like
from
maybe
lemon
up
past,
was
it
brighter
day
or
what
the
heck
is,
that
a
brewery
called
uplandman
street.
D
I
I
There
was
discussions
about
moving
to
stafford
house
there.
I
do
believe
that
we
should
look
at
that.
I
don't
think
the
stafford
house
is
being
utilized
very
well
where
it's
at
today
overall
and
I
do
think
the
traffic
pattern
at
tarpon
avenue
in
spring
really
should
improve
as
well
too
it's
kind
of
a
cluster
in
that
area
between
banana
spring
spring
and
tarpon
avenue.
C
L
C
It
okay!
As
far
as
the
let
me
start
with
the
jitney,
I
think
the
jitney
initiative
in
the
glass
building
for
me
is
one
of
the
best
initiatives
that
the
cra
has
taken
for
a
major
funding
source
since
the
since
the
facade
grant
program
and
some
of
the
other
grant
programs,
I
had
an
opportunity
to
check
out
what
the
mayor
had
visually.
As
far
as
the
conceptual
renderings,
I
think
it
looks
fantastic.
C
The
jitney
in
itself
was
a
great
restoration
project
and
is
essentially
a
piece
of
tarpon
history,
and
als
also
is
something
that
I
think
is
being
under
utilized
as
far
as
being
on
display.
So
I
definitely
support
that.
I
know
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
is
a
big
bite,
but
I
think
you
know
you
definitely
get
what
you
pay
for.
C
So
I
definitely
support
that
as
far
as
funding
and
also
the
construction,
and
I
see
that
in
some
of
the
backup
it
goes
beyond
just
the
structure,
it's
also
some
rework
of
of
the
sidewalks
and
a
planter
there,
which
I
think
looks
nice
mark
just
to
the
west
of
it.
So
I
thought
I
I
support
that.
The
rail
arm
for
me
is
a
little
frustrating.
This
discussion
started,
you
know,
rodney
chapman
was
here
as
a
planner.
That's
how
long
it's
been
since
we've
been
talking
about
this
rail
arm.
C
C
C
C
I
think
you
know
that
parking
lot,
especially
during
the
night
time
services,
a
big
part
of
the
downtown
core,
and
I
think
if
we,
if
we,
we
have
beautiful
oak
trees
in
that
parking
lot
to
string
the
lights
from.
So
I
think
that
would
that's
an
easy.
You
know
no-brainer
beautification
thing:
do
we
have
a
power
source
there
that
we
would
be
able
to
utilize.
H
C
No
problem
to
string
some
lights
in
the
trees,
oh
sir,
if
the
board
is
good
with
that,
I
think
that's
a
really
easy
thing
to
do
again.
The
jitney,
I
think
you
know
to
use
some
of
mark's
words.
I
think
it
would
act
as
a
as
a
destination
for
people
to
come
and
see
it's
definitely
a
form
of
art.
I
don't
know
that
I
would
go
so
far
as
to
take
some
money
from
the
public
art
fund,
although
I
like,
where
the
vice
mayor
is
coming
from
with
that.
C
C
That's
right,
I
think
that
you
know,
as
we
continue
to
look
for
this
long-term
solution
as
it
relates
to
a
parking
garage.
I
don't
think
we
should
pass
up
some
of
the
short-term
fixes
right
like
I'm,
always
someone
who's
going
to
be
a
proponent
of
owning
versus
renting.
However,
you
know
when
you're
government
and
you're
limited
in
terms
of
what
you
can
do
or
how
you
can
do
it
if
an
opportunity
comes
up
to
capture
another
parking
area
through
the
form
of
a
lease
like
the
vice
mayor
did
behind
bank
on
fitness
or
court
street.
C
For
me,
that's
something
that
I'm
interested
in.
So
I'd
like
to
be
able
to
continue
to
fund.
You
know
some
money
for
a
parking
garage,
but
if
an
opportunity
comes
available
and
the
city
manager
can
identify
or
work
with
one
of
the
property
owners.
For
me,
the
banks
are
a
no-brainer
right,
like
suntrust
bank,
we
should
be
talking
to
them
wachovia
or
wells
fargo.
We
should
be
talking
to
them,
so
I
mean
if
an
opportunity
comes
up,
for
you
know
a
little
bit
of
money
annually.
C
Obviously,
we
don't
own
it,
but
if
an
opportunity
comes
up
and
we
can,
we
can
capture
and
control
a
piece
via
a
lease.
I
think
that
that's
something
we
should
do,
and
I
think
that
we
should
have
the
funds
that
we're
budgeting
also
be
available
for
lease
fees
for
parking,
ultimately
we're
trying
to
accomplish
the
same
thing.
C
So
that's
basically
what
I
have
through
the
cra
I
could
go
on
and
on
about
the
grant
programs
and
how
beneficial
they
are.
I'm
glad
to
see
that
we're
going
to
continue
to
fund
that
I
mean,
if
you,
if
you
look
at
the
cra
and
in
terms
of
how
the
cra
fund
is
funded
dollar
for
dollar,
the
grant
programs
are
as
good
as.
N
C
J
Yeah,
thank
you
mayor
I'll,
be
brief
as
well.
Try
to
touch
on
everybody's
comments
as
far
as
the
hoffman
property
goes.
I
think,
regardless
of
where
we're
heading
on
that,
we
need
to
start
moving.
We
need
to
get
some
ideas
on
paper.
We
need
to
get
some
numbers
together.
You
know
based
on
this
year's
budget.
It's
probably
not
going
to
be
this
current
board's
decision,
but
I
definitely
like
to
at
least
start
the
process
of
saying.
Okay.
J
J
J
You
know
that
may
on
paper
be
an
idea
where
okay,
hey,
we
should
be
leasing
this.
We
should
have
control
over
it,
but
in
practice
everybody
parks
there
right
now
anyway,
for
no
consequence,
so
that's
just
maybe
a
hornet's
nest.
I
don't
want
to
kick
up,
but
as
far
as
the
other
properties
go,
I
absolutely
agree
to
approach
for
leasing
when
possible
parking
in
general,
I
wouldn't
be
in
favor
of
using
any
eminent
domain,
but
investing
in
future
parking
in
downtown
is
definitely
important.
J
J
The
only
things
that
I
think
we
were
really
going
to
have
to
consider
is
the
building
maintenance
and
cleanliness
I
mean
that's
going
to
you
know,
have
to
be
cleaned
daily.
If
people
are
going
to
be
walking
by
there
taking
pictures
and
stuff
through
the
glass
signage,
I
didn't
see
any
signage
on
the
concept,
that's
probably
just
because
it's
a
concept,
but
that's
just
another
thing
to
consider
into
that
cost.
Is
you
probably
want
some
some
sort
of
sign,
either
on
the
roof
or
side
of
it?
Just
saying:
hey,
here's!
J
I
J
Okay
and
I'm
okay
with
that,
as
long
as
we
make
it
more
accessible
for
pictures
and
interaction,
different
platforms,
maybe
that
lead
up
to
the
glass
and
then
not
have
that
white
bar
in
the
middle
of
the
glass
in
certain
spots,
so
that
they
can
take
pictures
standing
outside
of
it.
Something
like
that.
J
And
then,
as
far
as
beautification
goes
pressure,
washing
is
something
I
don't
think
we
can
do
enough
of
whether
we
got
to
buy
another
one
or
rent
another
one
or
pay
some
overtime
for
somebody
to
get
out
there
and
pressure
wash
more.
I
just
don't
think
we
can
do
it
enough
as
far
as
the
cra
goes
and
really
everywhere,
and
then
somebody
else
mentioned
tree
lighting.
I
think
every
everywhere
that
we're
able
to
do
that.
K
K
One
of
the
worst
spots
that
you
can
have
is
coming
up
to
a
stop
sign
at
athens
street,
for
example,
looking
to
the
left
and
seeing
all
the
broken
concrete
right
there,
it
just
doesn't
serve
tarpon
springs
very
well
in
that
regard
and
then
the
same
thing
with
the
downtown
beautification
plan
that
we
started
last
year,
both
oak
trees
and
acorn
lights,
down,
tarpon
avenue,
as
well
as
safford
that
we
talked
about
the
two
down
there.
So
we've
got
a
tree
fund,
that's
continuing
to
grow.
I
looked
at
that.
K
K
The
jitney
building,
I'm
for
that.
One
thing
that
hasn't
been
mentioned
is
mr
hoffman's
going
to
dedicate
his
architectural
services,
for
that,
which
is
a
a
good
good
pot
of
money.
For
that,
I
can't
tell
you
how
much
he
would
normally
charge,
but
that's
something
the
city
would
not
have
to
pay
for
so
he's
willing
to
do
that.
K
I
spoke
to
the
city
manager.
There
was
a
request
from
a
historical
society
for
four
hours
more
for
the
report
four
hours
per
week,
more
for
their
part-time
help.
We
it's
not
they're,
not
a
city
employee.
We
we
basically
give
them
a
check
for
that
expense,
so
it
would
just
be
upping
the
four
hours
a
week
for
that
city
manager
didn't
seem
to
think
that
there
was
a
problem
with
that.
K
The
hochman
sunday
property
I
I'd
like
to
have
first
dibs
on
a
town
hall
meeting
for
talking
about
that
I
mean
we've.
We've
been
tied
up
with
a
budget
and
everything
and
I'd
like
to
do
that
in
the
fall
once
this
budget's
done,
so
we
can
get
a
sense
from
the
residents.
I
think
they're
going
to
agree
with
moving.
K
K
A
A
M
D
D
K
K
No,
I
understand,
but
I
mean
I'll
be
honestly.
I
think
mr
lacourse
is
being
very
polite.
As
far
as
being
public
art,
I
can
tell
you
it's
not
public
art
and
I'm
not
going
to
approach
ms
jennings
and
ask
her
if
she
thinks
the
building
for
the
jitney
is
public
art.
I
can
tell
you
what
she's
going
to
tell
me.
It
won't
be
a
polite
no
either.
So
I
mean
if
that
helps.
K
D
A
C
With
lee
having
some
releases
as
well,
my
point
being
is
that,
if
we're
open
to
leases,
then
I'm
willing
to
allocate
more,
you
know
what
I
mean
like.
If
we
can
utilize
some
of
this
pot
of
money
for
downtown
parking
or
cra
parking
and
utilize,
some
of
it
to
pay
for
annual
lease
fees,
then
I
find
it.
You
know
more
advantageous
to
to
you
to
allocate
more
funds.
A
C
A
Know
I
mean
we'll
pay
that
anyway,
so
I
don't
think
we
should
tie
that
to
that.
You
know,
let's
just
concentrate
on
this
particular
one
to
buy
property
for
parking
that
we'll
be
trying
to
get
for
it
doesn't
have
to
be
a
parking
garage
just
any
parking
for
downtown
yeah.
That's
that's
what
we
will
be
trying
for
years
and
I
think
it's
time
to
to
start
allocating
money
for
it.
I
I
D
Let
me
know,
and
just
a
note
the
hundred
thousand
were
rolling
over.
That
was
for
anything
parking
lot
leases.
The
hundred
thousand
that
we
would
roll
over
has
those
multiple
uses
on
it.
If
you
want
to
change
that,
you
can
do
it
already.
If
you
want
to
change
that
of
of
the
new
money
you're
dedicating.
That
would
be
your
choice,
how
you,
how
you
structure
that
money
right
now
the
hundred
thousand,
is
future
parking
of
any
type
league's
buying.
It's
a
gold
awards
place
where
we
may
put
a
future
garage.
It's
it's!
There's!
D
No
restrictions,
stick
to
the
to
one
building
and
stuff
got
it.
So
it's
like
it's!
The
hundred
thousand
that
we're
rolling
over
right
now
is,
like
you
say,
commissioner
terrapin.
Now,
if
you
want
to
take
money,
if
you
want
to
add
money
to
it,
that's
strictly
for
future
build.
Then
you
just
have
to
designate
that
if
you
want
to
do
that
right
now.
D
A
A
A
A
G
A
D
Yeah,
there's
there's
several
the
reason
I
put
general
funds
follow-up,
including
new
president,
there's
also
another
general
fund.
Here
are
the
things
that
I
want
to
bring
back
up
in
in
that
area.
The
first
one
is
is
that
that
mr
herring
has
found
money
that
to
finance
all
six
of
those
positions,
so
the
six
positions
are,
are
funded
and
set
to
go
as
we
speak.
D
So
that
was
one
issue
to
bring
back
to
you
and
let
you
know
one
of
the
issues
that
we
didn't
discuss
that
we
didn't
discuss
when
we
were
talking
about
positions
and
salaries
and
stuff
to
introduce
and
against
an
introduction.
This
will
come
back
to
you,
but
is
about
the
city
attorney
and
his
proposal
for
a
contract.
D
The
third
thing
in
general
fund
I
wanted
to
note,
is
I
I
gave
you
some
some
rough
estimates
on
something
that
we
know
we're
going
to
see
in
the
public
hearing
part
of
it
because
she's
talked
about
it
at
this
board,
and
several
of
you
have
mentioned
about.
It
is
the
museum,
the
museum
on
the
oakwood
property,
and
I
will
tell
you
you've
got
an
if
kevin's
here
tonight.
D
Kevin
will
admit
that
he
estimated
maybe
a
little
high
on
the
354,
but
the
reason
he
did
is
because
of
the
the
crazy
things
that's
going
on
in
building
construction
with
prices
under
normal
times.
I
think
he'll
tell
you
to
clarify
it's,
maybe
250
to
300.
He
would
he
would
have
proposed,
but
and
that's
something
that
we
I'm
just
bringing
up
now
as
you
as
you
set
funding
and
stuff.
We
know
that
this
item
has
come
up
in
meetings
beforehand.
D
I
had
promised
mrs
dabbs
that
we
would
try
to
work
up
the
general
schematics
of
the
building
and
the
cost
so
it'd
be
considered
during
budget
time.
That's
there
to
you
again.
The
cost
would
hopefully
be
lower,
but
right
now
in
this
building
time,
so
those
were
the
three
new
things
in
general
fund.
However,
you
want
to
spend
time
of
talking
about,
I
think
probably
this
city,
attorney's
salary,
may
the
city
of
certain
contracts
and
stuff
to
get
the
introduction
again.
D
A
D
A
A
D
I
said
before
that
those
items,
the
final,
the
final
items
that
we
do
every
year
at
the
last
meeting
in
august,
they
deal
with
personnel
the
salaries
again
the
grade
changes,
wage
changes
and
stuff
that
will
be
coming
to
you,
the
second
meeting
of
august,
because
it
has
to
be
in
resolution
form
before
it's
put
in
the
budget.
You
have
to
have
a
resolution
on
those,
so
that
will
come
up
the
second
meeting
august
and
the
thursday.
D
M
M
M
A
G
M
M
M
It'll
be
a
wood
building.
It's
going
to
be
made
to
look
like
the
original
building.
Now
the
the
siding
on
that
yeah.
So
that's
going
to
be
a
you
know:
additional
cost
there.
It's
not
just
standard
lap,
siding,
that's
the
thing,
the
the
siding
itself,
yeah
yeah!
So
it's
not
just
standard
hardy
lap,
siding
it's
going
to
be
a
wood
product
that
is
going
to
get
milled.
A
D
Again,
that's
why
I'm
bringing
it
forward
to
you.
Obviously
again
this.
This
is
an
item
that
we
know
is
going
to
come
up
in
public
comments
in
september,
but
that's
a
little
late
in
the
budget
of
dedicated
money.
We
know
you
know.
Miss
dabs
has
come
to
this
board
with
this
concept
previously,
so
so
the
it's
your
decision
on,
where
the
money
we're
trying
to
lay
out
all
these
projects
and
what
we're
budgeting
for
you
know
is
it
first
of
all.
D
Is
it
a
project
that
you
want
to
take
on
if
it
is
for
this
budget,
the
future
budget?
That's
all
decisions
of
the
board
and
what
else
you're
doing
with,
but
you
haven't
even
vetted
with
whether
you
agree
with
the
concept
or
not
just
bringing
it
forward,
because
it's
going
to
come
up
in
september
in
the
public
hearings
when
it's
come
up,
there's
a
very
short
time
frame
to
do
it
with
the
budget.
So
I
was
just
calling
to
your
attention
as
you're
setting
monies
and
and
items
for
the
for
the
budget.
D
You
know
if
that
is
an
item
you
want
to
consider,
putting
in
and
that's
purely
a
abortion.
All
we
committed
to
miss
doubts
and
and
to
bring
to
you
from
her
previous
becoming
the
board,
is
an
idea
of
what
a
construction
of
a
building
that
basically
looked
like
it.
It
would
before
what
that
building
was
cost
a
basic
outline.
D
If
you
look
at
the
outline,
she,
the
main
things
is
a
museum
display
area,
but
a
little
bit
of
storage,
a
little
office
and,
of
course,
we
have
the
the
ada
restrooms
that
have
to
be
there.
So
again,
it's
the
decision
of
the
board
where
they
place
it
in
the
budget
priorities.
Is
it
now
later
or
is
it
something
that
the
board
even
wants
to
do,
and
that's
purely
a
board
decision.
G
A
D
A
I
Yeah
I
mean
I've
got
a
quick
comment
on
this.
In
my
opinion,
it
doesn't
change.
I
think
we
should
sell
this
to
habitat
for
humanity.
Put
up
a
memorial
monument,
a
historic
marker
that
talks
about
the
church
talks
about
the
name
is
escaping
me
right
now,
but
the
gentleman
who
owned
it
before
who
lost
it
to
code
enforcement,
honor
him
and
his
history
of
the
music
side
of
things,
but
get
it
back
to
where
someone
can
build
on
that
piece
of
property
and
get
a
good
house
through
habitat
through
humanity.
I
C
In
a
nutshell,
I
basically
agree
with
the
vice
mayor.
I
mean,
I
don't
think
that
we
need
to
spend
350
000
to
create
a
new
museum
in
a
residential
area.
I
definitely
support
memorializing
memoria
memorializing,
something
for
this
project
for
this
property.
We
talked
about
you
doing
that
before
and
saving
some
materials,
for
you
know
some
form
of
a
placard,
a
historical
marker
or
anything
like
that.
I
would
support,
but
I'm
not
in
support
of
creating
a
new
museum
on
this
piece
of
property
in
the
sum
of
350
thousand
dollars.
J
Yeah,
thank
you
mayor.
I
don't
think
it.
I
don't
think
the
options
are
as
simple
as
the
memo
made,
and
it's
intentionally
brief,
I
think,
for
our
discussion,
but
I
think
the
memo
makes
it
kind
of
sound
like
you
either
spend
350
to
475
thousand
dollars
on
billing
this
museum
or
you
don't
and
that's
it
and
you
don't
care
about
the
history
there.
I
don't
think
it's
that
simple
I'd
be
happy
to
see
the
alternatives
for
a
memorial,
a
public
art
project,
a
plaque
site
any
any
of
those
sort
of
things.
D
J
D
J
A
J
K
K
Yes,
and
we
also
made
certain
representations
that
what
we
would
put
back
in
that
location
as
a
commission-
and
we
also
saved
lumber
from
the
old
building
to
put
into
the
new
building
when
we
rebuild
the
new
building
and
that
lumber
is
stored,
if
I'm
not
mistaken,
of
the
police.
The
old
police
station
back
here
is
that
correct
over
here
at
the
band
shell
or
someplace
back
here
yeah,
so
we've
got
that
stored
as
well,
and-
and
I
recognize
money
is
an
issue
right
now.
K
If
we're
tight
this
year
on
what
this
new
building
would
look
like
in
the
future
in
order
to
to
kind
of
stage
it
for
something
that
we
would
do
in
the
future
and
and
I'm
not
ready
to
say
we're
turning
that
property
over
to
habitat
humanity,
or
anything
like
that,
I
think
it's
going
to.
That
would
be
a
huge
disappointment
to
the
to
the
community
union
academy
neighborhood,
and
so
I
think
we
we
need
to
just
move
ahead
in
some
way
or
another.
K
With
this,
I
don't
want
to
call
it
a
promise,
but
certain
representations
we
made
with
what
we're
going
to
do
if
we
took
that
building
down
whether
it's
a
30
or
40,
000
funding
wedge
for
looking
at
a
conceptual
design
or
some
renderings
to
see
what
we
really
want
to
do
and
develop
some
ideas
about
it.
But
along
the
lines
of
what
the
union
academy
neighborhood
had
wanted
to
do
and
and
as
as
you
know,
the
whole
community
wasn't
here,
but
there
are
certainly
representatives
here
of
that.
So.
C
C
If
you
were
to
entertain
building
something
there,
I
think
the
site
is
prohibitive,
so
what
I
would-
and
I
also
don't
not
to
contradict
what
commissioner
vattachiotis
has
said,
but
I
don't
remember
making
any
representations
that
we
would
build
something
there.
I
remember
saying
that
we
would
utilize
some
of
the
material
to
memorialize
something
one
way
or
the
other.
So
my
my
just
one
more
point
would
be
that
if
we
were
to
take
it
one
step
further
and
try
and
really
you
know,
create
more
of
a
memorial,
it
would
be.
C
A
I
So
I
just
want
to
reiterate
as
well:
there
was
no
commitment
to
the
community
that
we
were
going
to
rebuild
anything.
I
remember
the
meeting
quite
well
because,
and
the
city
manager
covered
it
tonight
when
he
made
the
proposal
to
us
is
that
the
commitment
was
that
we're
going
to
review
it
as
what
the
cost
would
be
to
rebuild
it
and
would
hold
some
of
the
items
to
do
some
type
of
sign
of
some
sort
to
honor
the
building
that
was
there.
But
the
commitment
wasn't
from
the
commission.
I
It
could
have
been
from
an
individual
commissioner
to
the
community,
but
it
wasn't
from
the
commission
as
a
whole.
The
commitment
was
that
we
would
look
at
it
from
a
pricing
standpoint
and
a
budget
standpoint.
That's,
I
believe,
that's
what
we're
doing
right
now.
So
with
that,
I
think
we've
fulfilled
our
commitment,
it's
a
significant
spend
and
I
don't
think,
there's
necessarily
another
need
for
a
museum
or
community
center
based
on
or
current
demographics
of
our
buildings
where
we're
at
today.
I
A
M
G
O
As
you
probably
know,
the
contract
with
our
law
firm,
is
about
to
expire,
it'll
expire
in
october,
and
a
couple
of
months
ago
I
approached
the
city
manager
with
the
idea
of
talking
about
this
during
the
budget
process,
so
that
you
weren't
talking
about
it
in
september
october,
when
the
budget
process
had
been
completed,
because
I
frankly
thought
it
would
be
a
better
idea
now
and
that's
the
reason
I
reached
out
in
april
for
for
this
discussion,
so
I
provided
mark.
He
asked
me
to
provide
some
some
input.
O
I
provided
him
with
a
proposal
in
that
proposal.
What
I'm
suggesting
is
is
increasing
the
retainer
to
7
500
a
month
for
the
first
45
hours
of
billable
time,
and
I'm
also
asking
that
we
change
the
hourly
rate
for
the
litigation
code
enforcement
matters
that
we
we
currently
charge
for
separate
and
apart
from
the
retainer.
O
In
addition,
I
thought
it
would
also
be
important
for
you
to
take
a
look
at
the
retainer
billing
history,
so
I
provided
you
with
that.
I
provided
one
to
mark
back
in
april,
but
the
one
I
handed
out
tonight-
I
you
know
updated
through
the
end
of
july,
and
I
just
want
to
explain
what
it
is
so
that
you
understand
when
you're
looking
at
it.
O
There
were
96.1
hours
of
attorney
and
paralegal
time
produced
for
that
month
that
totaled
or
generated
a
fee
of
16
109,
of
which
I
charge
the
the
city
six
thousand
dollars.
So
our
firm
basically
ate
ten
thousand
one
hundred
nine
dollars
and
each
month
thereafter,
you
can
see
this
significant
loss
for
our
law
firm
each
month
because
of
the
extra
needed
time
that
we
provided
to
the
city,
the
work
that
we
did
and
you
can
see
as
you
go
through
month
month,
month
after
month,
that
we're.
O
Not
being
compensated
for
the
work
that
has
been
completed
for
the
city
and
that's
mainly
because
of
the
fact
of
the
agreement
that
we
had
agreed
to,
we
had
contracted
to
and
we
stuck
to
it.
We
didn't
come
back
to
you
over
after
the
first
year,
the
second
year,
the
third
year
asking
for
an
increase.
O
So
what
I'm
suggesting
is
to
try
to
make
it
a
little
bit
more
put
us
in
a
position
of
compensating
us
for
the
actual
work,
that's
being
completed
with
the
understanding
that
it's
just
not
me
that
you're
looking
at
when,
when
you're
looking
at
these
retainer
billings,
there
are
five
board
certified
attorneys
in
local
government.
I
think
we're
the
only
law
firm
anywhere
in
the
area
that
that
could
could
boast
that,
but
you
have
eric
argello
she's,
covering
the
board
of
adjustment,
the
planning
board
and
heritage
preservation
board.
You've
got
rob
eschenfelder.
A
J
K
M
O
There
are
all
these
other
lawyers
that
are
working
behind
the
scenes,
handling
matters
for
the
city,
so
the
proposal
that
that
I
provided
for
you
tonight
then,
is
to
increase
the
retainer
to
7
500
a
month
for
the
first
45
hours
of
billable
time
any
time
after
that
would
be
at
the
hourly
rate
of
185
dollars
an
hour.
I'm
also
asking
that
the
litigation
hourly
rate
be
changed
progressively
over
the
next
three
years.
O
And
I
also
obviously
you
know
we.
We
have
the
experience,
probably
over
100
years,
of
experience
between
all
the
lawyers
that
are
at
the
firm
handling
local
government
matters
and
we
currently
represent,
I
believe,
10
municipalities
in
pinellas
county.
So
we
get
not
only
the
experience
but
also
the
the
work
product,
saving
time
and
so
forth
and
having
the
ability
to
to
work
city
to
city,
so
that
that's
my
my
request
on
behalf
of
the
law.
Firm,
okay,.
O
A
A
couple
of
things
that
I
want
to
talk
about
these
in
august
we're
supposed
to
complete
the
evaluation
for
the
charter
staff
and
it's
supposed
to
be
done
this
month.
I
rather
we
wait
complete
that
first
and
also,
I
would
like
to
to
see
if
you
know
to
have
a
fair
understanding
what's
compatible
to
the
other
city
attorneys
of
the
areas
you
know
to
make
sure
that
we
we're
doing
the
we
have
the
right
decision.
That's
my
take
on
that.
I
I
I
L
D
L
I
L
Yeah
we
checked
the
hours
and
over
the
last
couple
years
it
looked
like
about
based
on
going
at
up
that
10
bucks
an
hour
it'd
be
about
another
seven
thousand
dollars.
So
you
have
the
eighteen
thousand
plus
the
seven
thousand
so
about
twenty
five
thousand
dollars
and
I'm
not
sure
if
that's
okay
agrees
with
tom's
numbers
there,
but
but
that's
per
our
records
from
the
billing.
Okay.
C
J
K
O
Mayor
can
I
just
address
one
other
thing:
if
you
don't
mind,
so
I
want
you
to
understand
that
when
you
look
at
that
city
attorney
budget,
if
you
look
at
the
actual
in
2019
and
the
actual
in
2020,
it
is
significantly
different
than
what
is
being
proposed
in
the
budget
for
next
year
by
under
seventy
thousand
dollars,
and
in
addition,
I
would
like
you
to
note
that
there
is
about
fifteen
thousand
dollars
in
the
city
attorney
budget.
That
has
nothing
to
do
with
our
law
firm
for
some
reason
or
another.
O
The
all
the
attorneys
fees
that
are
associated
with
the
labor
lawyer
that
has
been
representing
the
city
are
lumped
into
the
city
attorney
budget.
So
all
of
those
fees
when
you
see
from
johnson
jackson
law
firm
every
month
when
you
get
your
agenda,
those
are
also
falling
into
the
city
attorney's
budget
item.
But
it's
not
part
of
what
I
charge
the
city.
So
when
you
look
at
that
number
I'd
like
you
to
understand
that
that's
when
it
says
city
attorney
personnel,
that
city
attorney
labor
attorney.
O
It's
not
us
in
addition
to
that,
there's
a
provision
for
court
reporter
fees.
It's
a
small
dollar
amount,
but
again
that's
not
something
that
we're
paid.
That
is
something
that's
paid
to
to
the
clerk
of
the
court
or
to
the
court
reporter
for
like
when
you
do
your
shade
meetings,
your
executive
sessions,
so
that's
falling
into
the
budget
as
well,
but
it's
not
being
paid
to
our
law
firm.
So
thank
you.
Thank.