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A
D
E
Good
evening,
I
now
call
to
order
the
regular
session
meeting
of
the
board
of
commissioners
at
6
30
on
march
8th
2022.
My
name
is
jacob
carr,
I'm
the
vice
mayor
of
tarpon
springs.
The
mayor
is
out
sick
tonight
and
I'll
be
filling
in
for
him.
We
need
to
have
an
excusal
for
the
mayor.
Is
there
a
motion
on
the
board
motion.
E
E
Vice
mayor
carr,
yes,
city
clerk,
roll
call,
please.
E
C
G
C
C
E
E
H
H
H
I
have
written
on
the
back
of
this
manila
envelope,
not
to
disclude
statute,
160
3.01
as
being
part
of
this
internal
transfer
of
political
function
and
power
in
a
quid
pro
quo
agreement
with
the
water
district,
the
county
and
the
municipal
governments
encompassed
within
the
county
are
soon
to
shape-shift
themselves
from
their
fortnighted
statesmanship
into
a
politically
laundered
watershed,
operation
veiled
under
the
14th
amendment,
soon
to
be
given
rise
to
as
a
water
jurisdiction,
as
enumerated
from
article
1,
section
2
of
the
u.s
constitution.
H
The
legislative
redistricting
of
the
county
currently
occurring
in
tallahassee
is
recognized
in
article
1,
section
8
clause
17
of
the
u.s
constitution
as
a
district
not
to
exceed
10
miles
square.
That
ill-defined
district
in
the
constitution
itself
is
a
jurisdiction
of
a
larger
district.
A
district
not
to
exceed
10
miles
square
is
a
jurisdiction.
I
I
When
you
go
to
war
against
your
enemies
and
see
horses
and
chariots
in
an
army
greater
than
yours
do
not
be
afraid
of
them,
because
the
lord,
your
god,
will
be
with
you.
When
you
are
about
to
go
into
battle,
the
priest
shall
come
forward
and
address
the
army.
He
shall
say,
hear
o
israel
today,
you
are
going
into
battle
against
your
enemies,
do
not
be
faint-hearted
or
afraid
do
not
be
terrified
or
give
way
to
panic
before
them.
I
I
went
camping
this
weekend,
thursday.
I
went
through
ocala
paid
359.
A
gallon
came
back
on
sunday
409,
it's
419
at
the
shell
or
circle
k.
We
all
know.
What's
going
on
I'll,
give
you
a
quick
lesson
on
following
gas.
If
you
either
look
on
bloomberg
or
cnbc
down
the
bottom,
when
they
have
the
tickers,
don't
worry
about
the
barrel,
you
don't
buy
barrels
of
oil,
you
buy
gas,
look
at
rbob
or
rbo
gas.
That's
the
wholesale
gas
for
the
next
contract.
J
I
I
If
we're
going
to
do
economic
warfare
just
like
in
world
war
ii,
we
weren't
attacked
here
in
the
states,
but
we
sacrificed
there
were
gas
rations.
There
were
rubber
and
iron
and
scrap
metal
things
and
the
americans
also
suffered,
but
it
was
a
sacrifice
for
freedom
and
to
protect
other
people.
So
if
we
aren't
I'm
going
to
ask
you,
this
is
a
question
I
asked
myself:
would
you
rather
pay
five
or
six
dollars
a
gallon
for
gas,
or
would
you
rather
get
a
letter
in
the
mail
that
your
son-in-law
got
shot
down.
I
M
E
Dash
jj
landscape
services,
utilizing
city
of
st
petersburg
rfq
number,
seven,
one.
Six
four
number:
four
increase
file
number:
two:
one:
zero:
zero:
nine,
zero
dash
c
dash;
j
l,
utilizing
sarasota
county
contract;
2020-435
manhole
and
structures,
rehab
rehabilitation,
polyurethane
coating
method,
category
bid,
number
201918-kw.
E
Award
file,
number
220101,
single-source,
purchase
of
hatch,
brand
equipment
and
services.
Are
there
any
items?
The
commission,
like
the
poll
number
three?
Yes,
okay,
we're
going
to
go
to
public
comment
for
items,
one
two:
four
and
five
of
the
consent
agenda:
okay,
seeing
none
do
we
have
a
motion
for
one
two,
four
and
five,
two
moved.
Second,
any
board
comments.
E
Hearing
none
roll
call!
Please.
E
K
Right
there's
a
couple
of
things
I
wanted
to
ask
about
this
one.
A
couple
weeks
ago,
we
had
mowing
services
for
the
ponds,
and
now
I
see
this
as
a
landscape
and
in
a
in
the
back
up,
it
suggests
that
we've
been
using
it
and
we're
just
extending
this
contract.
K
Now,
one
thing
I'd
like
to
do
is
get
a
list
of
all
the
services
that
we
contract
for
that
parks
and
parkways
and
roads
and
streets
uses
that's
in
in
the
form
of
a
landscaping
service,
and
I
also
want
to
find
out
or
or
these
services
that
we're
contracting
for
this
evening.
Are
they
the
ones
that
are
responsible
for
planting
trees
in
the
city
or
do
we
use
our
own
crews.
A
M
K
K
A
E
Just
a
little
more
clarification,
I'm
familiar
with
this
company
from
years
past
too,
so
these
they
typically
do
the
larger
trees,
so
oak
trees,
palm
trees
like
at
sisler
field
or
oak
trees,
along
tarpon
avenue
or
something
along
those
lines.
And
then
I
think
city
staff
typically
does
it
flowers,
but
I
think
you
bring
up
a
great
point
about
understanding
what
all
our
services
are
and
where
they're
at,
because
that's
something
it
was
with
the
lawn
care.
It
was
something
I
asked
and
they
could
provide
that.
K
Well,
just
to
your
point,
where
I'm
heading
on
all
of
this
is
that
we've
had
some
challenges
in
putting
trees
out
there
for
a
variety
of
different
reasons,
and
if
we're
contracting
a
service
and
we're
paying
these
people
to
do
that,
I'm
not
sure
I
understand
why
we're
not
putting
trees
out
there,
because
we've
got
the
funds
to
buy
the
trees.
You
you
follow
what
I'm
saying
I
understand.
Okay,
thank
you.
E
E
E
C
C
C
C
C
And
finally,
I
want
to
let
you
know:
we've
spoken
with
some
of
the
residents
about
the
project
and
they
voiced
their
concerns
to
us
about
lack
of
activity,
dust
and
access
to
their
homes,
we're
doing
everything
we
can
to
mitigate
those
things.
C
Public
works
has
been
out
daily
with
the
water
truck
to
try
to
get
the
dust
under
control
doing
what
we
can
and
we
share
their
frustrations.
C
We
will
be
preparing
door
hangers
in
the
very
near
future,
with
specific
information
and
updates
to
them,
depending
on
the
outcome
of
the
change
order
and
action
or
inaction
on
the
contractor's
part.
Once
we
have
a
path
forward,
that's
clear,
we'll
be
explaining
that
to
everyone,
who's
got
a
stake
in
it.
So
with
that
basement
vice
mayor,
that's
my
discussion.
E
Thanks
bob
we're
going
to
go
to
public
comments
on
this
item.
Is
there
any
public
comments.
N
I
just
wanted
to
ask
the
question:
a
number
of
people
had
come
up
to
me
and
had
asked
that
the
they
were
not
sure
that
the
pipes
were
being
put
down
on
a
rock
bed.
Was
this
project
followed
and
and
overseen
as
it
was
being
done,
because
at
the
point
we're
at
now
from
what
I
see
is
we're
just
going
to
be
repaving
the
road?
I
don't
know
if
we're
going
to
be
digging
this
up
anymore.
N
So
what
happens
down
the
road
if
this
does
get
paved,
and
then
we
have
a
situation
where
we
have
pipes
breaking
again
down
the
road
because
there
has
to
be
a
a
bed
of
rocks
on
there.
That
was
the
one
question
I
had
and
the
other
question
I
have
is:
is
there
being
anything
being
done
for
the
residents
on
this
street
since
they've
been
living
in
a
dust
bowl,
their
cars
are
filthy
homes
are
filthy
inside
and
out,
and
that's
what
was
asked
of
me
to
ask
you
guys.
E
Okay,
we're
going
to
questions
and
discussion
right
now
for
city
staff.
I
do
have
a
quick
question.
Bob
I'm
sorry!
I
just
totally
lost
my
thought,
we'll
go
to
commissioner
terripani.
First.
G
F
You
answered
some
of
my
questions,
but,
to
reiterate
some
one:
is
you
said
that
this
is
the
contractor's
last
chance
right?
Yes,
sir,
is
this
the
same
contractor?
That's
doing
the
sea
breeze
drive
project?
No,
okay,
that's
good
to
know,
and
then
it's
been
mentioned
by
you
and
a
public
speaker,
but
there
is
some
outreach
to
the
quote:
unquote
affected
parties
right,
yes,
okay,
in
terms
of
like
the
project
and
timing
and
completion,
is
there
an
opportunity
to
at
least
fill
some
of
the
potholes
until
the
final
grading
and
final
blacktop?
F
C
L
C
To
level
off
some
of
the
potholes
right,
if
the,
if
it
turns
out,
we
do
have
to
file
a
claim
with
the
surety,
we
have
a
second
plan
in
place.
Where
we're
going
to
do
some
more
stabilization.
Get
the
road
back
opened
up,
make
it.
I
call
it
livable
and
passable
so
that,
while
we're
dealing
with
the
contract
issues
and
and
legal
stuff,
we
at
least
make
it
tolerable,
and
this.
F
C
The
original
completion
date
was
may
2022.
Where
early
may,
the
amendment
takes
it
to
the
end
of
june
2022..
C
It
sounds
like
a
short
extension,
but
the
contractor
is
in
their
plan,
tripling
their
cruise
number
of
crews
on
the
job
from
one
to
three
and
they're,
adding
saturdays
in
as
work
days
to
try
to
get
the
project
done
faster.
This
is
their
commitment,
sure.
F
E
C
C
About
60
percent
of
the
work
is
remaining
a
lot
of
the
storm
water
pipes
are
in
the
ground,
the
there's
more
storm
water
pipes
to
get
me
done.
There's
some
more
water
line,
work
work
to
be
done,
one
of
the
pond
one
of
the
three
ponds
has
been
constructed.
One
of
them
has
been
partially
cleared,
the
other
one
hasn't
even
been
started
yet.
E
C
Well
then,
we
don't
give
them
the
change
order.
The
the
deadline
is
becomes
may
7th
and
we
will
file
a
claim
with
the
surety,
regardless
with.
C
So
it's
it's
extending
the
deadline
a
bit,
it's
giving
them
it's
giving
them
the
benefit
of
the
doubt.
If
you
will,
this
is
our
one
last
good
faith,
effort
for
them
to
get
the
project
done
without
us
having
to
file
a
claim
without
us
having
to
delay
the
project
by
getting
legal
involved.
If
we,
if
we
don't
do
that,
then,
like
I
said
we'll
they'll
run
out
of
time
and
at
the
beginning
of
may.
E
C
Is
and
that's
a
temporary
patch,
this
is
one
of
the
that's
one
of
the
qaqc
errors
we
caught
just
a
bit
too
late,
but
we
caught
the
fact
that
the
materials
they
were
putting
in
were
substandard
in
that
location,
so
we're
going
to
make
them
pull
those
out
and
replace
them
with
with
d.o.t
standard
quality
materials
that
is
required
for
this
job.
That's
for.
E
Okay,
yeah
all
right,
commissioner
donovan.
O
C
The
point
of
this
change
order
was
to
give
them
one
last
chance
to
get
it
right
to
give
them
the
time
they're
asking
us
for
which
amounts
to
less
than
two
months,
the
time
that
they
are
committing
to
get
the
job
done,
give
them
that
chance
to
do
it
and
then
there's
there's,
there's
nothing
holding
us
back
in
terms
of
filing
a
claim.
We,
it
shows
in
good
faith
that
we,
as
the
city
have
done
everything
we
can
to
help.
C
This
contractor
get
the
job
done
and
if
they
can't
do
it,
then
we
have
the
rights
to
file
claim.
O
Right
and
I
I
totally
get
the
frustration
I
mean
they
had
540
days
to
do
it
and
then
they're
coming
back
the
last.
You
know
month
and
saying
oh
shoot,
we're
way
behind
schedule,
but
how
does
it
work
in
the
future?
So
when
you're
doing
future
bids?
Is
this
something
that
you
guys
can
note
and
say,
we've
had
major
problems
with
them
in
the
past.
We
don't
want
to
go
with
them
in
the
future.
Yes,
we
can
do
that.
We
can
blacklist
them.
Okay.
Is
that
something
we
plan
on
doing?
C
K
Mr
robertson,
I
understand
I've
had
a
conversation
with
the
city
attorney,
so
I
understand
what
the
purpose
is.
This
is
contractually
they're
pretty
much
stopped
now.
Is
that
correct?
Yes,
okay,.
K
C
That's
a
good
question:
we're
going
to
give
them
until
the
close
of
business
tomorrow
to
give
us
their
commitment,
show
us.
The
numbers
show
us
the
people,
the
crews,
that
they're
that
they're
coming
back.
I
don't
have
a
date
from
them
yet,
but
I
need
it
on
short
order.
K
Okay,
so
there's
even
if
we
approve
this
this
evening,
there's
no
guarantee
that
that
that
I
know
they've
asked
for
this
and
I've
dealt
with
contractors.
And,
yes,
you
know
I've
been
in
your
shoes.
For
that
perspective,
and-
and
so
I
know
those
are
easily
talk
things,
but
the
people-
the
actual
this
that
I
I
feel
the
worst
about
are
the
residents.
K
I
mean
they're,
looking
at
us
to
do
something
and
and
and
also
want
to
be
realistic
with
them
that
just
because
we're
proving
this
tonight,
we
still
have
to
wait
to
see
how
that's
going
to
go.
I
think
that's
what
you're
saying
yes,
okay,
how's
this
going
to
affect
our
grant
or
is
it.
C
That
is
a
very
good
question.
It
is
a
the
grant.
You're
alluding
to
for
everyone's
benefit.
Is
the
southwest
florida
water
management
grant.
That's
a
50
grant
of
the
three
point,
roughly
two
million
dollar
project
right,
the
contract
term,
for
the
grant.
The
deadline
is
the
end
of
2022,
it's
december
2022.
C
So
we
do
have
some
time
here,
but
we've
already
got
a
meeting
set
up
with
the
project
manager
and
director
at
swift
mud
next
week.
We're
going
to
explain
to
them
the
situation,
the
result
of
tonight's
effort
and
tell
them
the
plan
going
forward.
We
may
have
to
do
some
kind
of
a
no-cost
time
extension
on
that
contract
as
well.
That's
not
unusual!
They
do
that
as
long
as
we're.
You
know.
As
long
as
we
got
someone
working
on
the
job
and
we've
got
work,
that's
in
the
ground.
C
K
The
other
part
of
this,
I
I
want
to
make
sure-
are
there
any
contingencies
being
done
with,
for
example,
ms
lewis,
in
preparing
a
backup
rfp
to
send
out
to
finish
the
work.
I'm
sorry.
C
K
There
any
contingency
plan
in
the
sense
of
preparing
an
rfp
as
a
backup
that
in
case
this
fails
in
a
month
we
haven't,
they
haven't
shown
up,
it's
not
going
well.
I
don't
want
to
just
have
these
people
walk
off
and
then
three
months
later
we're
just
sitting
around
trying
to
regroup.
I
think
it
would
be
smart
as
a
contingency
to
be
prepared
plan
for
the
best
I
mean
you
know
it's
yeah.
K
For
the
best
plan
for
the
worst,
so
I
think
that
there
ought
to
be
some
measures
in
that
regard
to
just
you
know,
with
what
needs
to
be
done.
I
know
there's
a
lot
of
pieces
of
the
puzzle
for
this
thing
to
work.
I
know
we.
We've
got
the
trees
that
we'd
like
to
have
in
the
ponds
and
the
whole
thing,
I'm
not
sure
how
all
this
is
going
to
play
out.
I
understand,
and
I
agree
with
the
city
attorney-
there
isn't
a
whole
lot
of
choice
that
we
can
do
here.
K
I
would
like
to
give
them
a
certain
amount
of
time
other
than
just
the
commission
of
proving
this
tonight
that
we
want
to
have
something
within
a
certain
period
of
time,
and
I
don't
know
what
that
is
you're
the
a
better
one
to
suggest
something
like
maybe
within
30
days.
They
need
to
be
mobilized,
or
else
we
need
to
come
back
and
take
a
look
at
this
from
a
commission's
perspective.
K
As
far
as
making
a
decision,
I
don't
know
what
decision
that
would
be,
but
I
don't
think
it
would
be
good
this
evening
to
approve
something
with
an
open
date
and
then
two
or
three
months
later
we
find
out
that
they're
not
performing
as
they
should.
I
I
mean
I
suspect,
you're
going
to
be
out
there
watching
what's
going
on
and
making
sure
that
progress
is
being
made
absolutely.
K
I
I'd
like
to
ask
you
to
offer
some
time
frame
that
we
would
give
them
a
certain
period
of
time
to
mobilize
based
on
your
judgment
of
what
you've
been
dealing
first
of
all
before
you
do
that.
Do
we
know
that
they've
got
the
materials
on
hand
to
do?
I
mean
the
people
is
one
thing
but
part
of
the
problem
of
why
we've
gotten
to
this
point?
Is
they
don't
have
the
materials
either?
Do
you
have
you
seen
the
materials
or
do
we
have
do?
We
know
that
they
have
the
materials.
C
There
is
a
significant
amount
of
stored
materials
still
that
we
have
there's
still
some
that's
on
order,
that's
coming
in,
but
there's
enough
for
them
to
get
here
and
get
going.
You're
asking
me
for
a
commitment
on
time.
I
can't
give
you
a
commitment,
but
I
can
tell
you
I
expect
them
to
be
here
within
a
month
and
probably
sooner
so,.
K
A
That
yeah,
that's
fine,
but
I'm
a
little
more.
If
I,
if
I
don't
see
significant
things
within
a
week,
I
mean
I'm
not
waiting
a
month
for
it
if
they
don't
sell
significant
mobilization
and
stuff
within
a
week
to
me
it's
over
with
and
we're
going
we're
going
for
the
bond,
I'm
not
even
willing
to
wait
a
month
to
get
them
mobile.
They
better
have
a
bunch
of
people
here
real
fast
or
because
they
haven't
even
proven
to
me
that
they
can
do
that.
I
don't!
A
I
don't
even
think
they're
going
to
be
able
to
do
this,
so
I've
got
to
see
something
fast
or
we
need
to
go
out
because
a
lot
of
the
timing's
going
to
be
with
the
bond.
If
I
understand
because
they'll
have
they
have
to
provide
us
the
people
to
come
in
and
replace
this
group,
if
I'm
not
mistaking
so
I
want
that
process
to
start
real
fast
of
the
bond
company,
and
this
is
similar
to
the
project.
A
If
you
know
on
75
and
56,
where
they
walked
off
the
overpass
and
the
bond
company
had
to
supply
the
person,
and
now
you
see
work
there.
No
from
going
to
orlando
this
weekend,
they're
working
there,
but
they
walked
off
that
job
and
left
the
half-finished
overpass.
So
so
we
don't
see
substantial
things
within
within
a
week
of
getting
things
going
to
meet
that
deadline.
You
know,
I'm
you
know
where
I'm
ready
to
go
forward
and
get
the
bond
company
to
get
this
company
out
here.
To
finish
this
job.
K
Well,
let
me
just
follow
up
on
that.
We
would
deal
with
a
bond
company,
but
I
guess
this
is
a
question
for
the
city
attorney.
We
would
have
to
take
formal
action
for
that
to
occur.
Is
that
correct,
yeah.
P
K
P
P
P
A
contractor-
and
they
would-
I
don't
know
how
long
that
will
take
two
two
months
to
a
year
to
to
finish
the
work
because
they're
going
to
have
to
bring
in
a
contractor
from
the
outside.
So
there
is
going
to
be
a
little
bit
of
delay.
We
don't
know
how
much
time
that
will
take,
but
but
we
will
immediately
be
in
touch
with
the
surety
and
get
them
moving
as
quickly
as
possible,
they're
going
to
want
to
cut
their
mitigate
their
expenses
too.
So
they're
going
to
want
to
move
quickly.
Okay,.
K
P
K
Mayor
carr,
at
the
proper
time,
I'd
like
to
amend
my
motion
to
add
that
condition
of
having
mr
robertson
city
manager
come
back
in
30
days
and
make
a
report
to
us.
I
understand
you're
going
to
take
a
look
at
it
in
one
week.
I
can
say
one
week,
but
I
think
you're
going
to
need
a
little
more.
E
O
O
K
That's
good
thank
you,
move
to
have
the
city
manager
and
mr
robertson
come
back
april,
26
with
a
status
report.
A
second.
E
P
Thank
you.
I've
got
tonight
a
settlement
settlement
offer
from
the
burroughs
family
to
settle
five
code
enforcement
liens
and
a
number
of
different
properties
give
you
a
little
there's
a
little
bit
of
background
in
the
packet.
I
want
to
briefly
go
over
some
of
these
cases,
so
the
oldest
case.
First
in
october
of
2017,
the
code
enforcement
board
found
the
property
located
at
510
triplet
street,
in
violation
of
sections
8-40,
which
is
failure
to
maintain
private
property
and
nuisance
prohibitions,
as
well
as
a
building
code
violation
for
over
overgrowth
and
a
dilapidated
structure.
P
P
P
On
8-52
there
was
a
90-dollar
fine
associated
with
that
code
enforcement
action.
The
most
recent
case
was
in
march
of
2020.
The
code
enforcement
board
found
the
different
property.
You
know
that
property
located
at
2070
lime
street,
in
violation
of
the
8-22
accumulation
of
trash
8-40,
failure
to
maintain
private
property
8-52.
P
P
These
five
code
enforcement
cases
over
the
past
four
or
five
years,
total
three
thousand
two
hundred
and
forty
one
dollars
and
ten
cents.
As
of
february
twenty
eight
of
this
year
with
that
being
said,
there's
been
an
offer
to
settle
these
five
code
enforcement
liens
for
fifteen
thousand
dollars.
The
offer
came
from
carla
burroughs,
the
daughter
of
mr
burroughs,
keeping
in
mind
that
this
settlement
of
these
five
code
enforcement
liens
don't
address
two
other
liens
on
the
properties
that
were
owned
by
mr
burrows.
P
P
So
I'm
asking
for
a
year
authorization
to
accept
fifteen
thousand
dollars
of
the
five
code
enforcement
lanes
that
I
cited
in
total
for
outstanding
liens
in
the
amount
of
thirty
three
thousand
two
hundred
and
forty
one
dollars
and
ten
cents.
I
will
let
you
know
that
I
did
have
conversations
with
miss
burroughs
about
the
other
two
liens.
P
They
wanted
to
get
these
five
addressed
first
and
then
they're
going
to
address
the
other
two
liens
following
it's
my
understanding
that
the
property
located
at
715
south
distant
avenue,
which
has
the
big
code
enforcement
lien,
will
be
demolished
and
the
structure
removed.
That
would
bring
that
property
into
compliance.
P
And
then,
if
that
was
not
a
repeat
case,
it
can
come
back
before
the
code
enforcement
board
for
a
fine
reduction
request.
If
the
burroughs
family
wants
to
do
that,
it
has
always
been
my
position
that
utility
lanes
never
be
reduced
and
I
think
that
that's
been
the
position
of
the
city
for
as
long
as
I've
been
involved
with
the
city
since
1996..
P
P
If
the
15
000
settlement
offer
is
accepted,
I
would
be
waiting
for
the
check
once
the
check
clears.
I
would
be
issuing
or
preparing
the
release
of
lien,
which
would
be
signed
by
the
city
manager
and
then
recorded,
and
then
these
then
the
burroughs
family
could
move
forward
with
whatever
actions
that
they're
taking
with
regard
to
selling
these
properties
or
doing
something
with
them
other
than
in
their
current
state.
P
I
would
tell
you
that
it's
my
understanding
that
mr
burroughs
has
passed
away.
I
don't
know
that
for
sure.
If
the
family
members
are
here
tonight,
they
may
be
able
to
address
that,
but
I
wanted
to
let
you
know
that
that
this
offer
would
stand
whether
or
not
mr
burroughs
was
alive
so
long
as
the
fifteen
thousand
dollars
was
paid
by
the
family.
P
It's
still
my
advice
to
you
to
use
that
as
a
full
settlement
of
those
five
code
enforcement
liens
that
I've
got
addressed
in
the
memo
in
the
backup
you'll
see
photographs
how
bad
these
properties
were
at
the
time
when
they
were
cited,
as
well
as
the
progress
reports
for
each
code
enforcement
casey,
you
can
see
how
much
activity
was
required
by
mr
burrows
to
bring
the
property
into
compliance
and
how
many
notices
were
sent
to
mr
burroughs
to
get
the
properties
into
compliance
before
they
actually
were
cited.
P
Significant
amount
of
cases
against
mr
burrows,
and
although
these
are
only
five
cases
here,
my
experience
in
representing
the
code
enforcement
board
since
1996.
This
is
just
a
small
selection
of
cases
that
mr
burroughs
has
had
against
him.
Over
the
years
there
have
been
significant
code
enforcement
cases,
but
my
opinion
and
my
advice
based
upon
direction
from
city
staff,
is
to
accept
the
15
000
offer.
So
it's
here
for
your
consideration
tonight,
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
about
the
cases.
P
E
Thank
you
we'll
go
to
public
comment
first
and
then
we'll
come
to
questions
and
board
comments.
Do
we
have
any
public
comments
on
these
items?
If
you'd
like
to
speak
on
this
item,
you
come
to
the
microphone.
E
Seeing
none
do
we
have
commissioner
tarapani.
F
Yeah
I
just
saying
that
the
family
is
here
right.
At
least
I
think
y'all
are
the
family
right.
No,
no!
Mr
rose
family.
Okay.
F
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
I
had
the
opportunity
to
know
to
know
mr
burroughs
a
little
bit
and
he
was
definitely
a
unique
man
and
had
all
kinds
of
great
stories
from
back
in
the
day
in
tarpon
springs
and
although
he
has
been
or
his
properties
have
been
before
code
enforcement
boards
for
many
many
years,
I
would
say
that
you
know
first
of
all
to
the
family
that
you
know
alfred
condolences
for
his
passing
and
also
accept
the
amount
to
settle
at
15
000.
E
K
No,
I
just
wanna
extend
my
condolences
to
the
burroughs
family.
I
knew
mr
burroughs
way
back
when
I
was
city
manager,
and
I
agree
he's
he's
one
of
the
people
that
made
tarpon
springs.
What
it
is
you
know
good
or
bad
and
and
we're
all
in
this
together.
We
all
had
our
own
experiences
and
sometimes
hard
times
are
hard,
sometimes
they're,
not
so
hard.
K
Q
E
Item
number
eight
is
proposal
to
rename
city
parks
to
honor
various
families
and
individuals.
This
was
my
item.
This
is
on
the
last
agenda.
We
didn't
make
it
to
it
our
last
meeting,
so
it
was
put
on
this
agenda
for
discussion.
E
E
E
The
first
one
I
want
to
talk
about
is
pertains
to
the
the
property
at
the
end,
the
west
end
of
tarpon
avenue
at
the
top
of
the
bayou,
where
the
clock
is,
and
that
was
a
property
that
the
city
purchased
based
off
a
referendum
that
was
approved
by
the
residents
and
part
of
that
negotiations.
The
city
manager
discussed
with
mr
hoffman,
who
went
to
the
contract
with
the
city
that
the
city
would
honor
his
parents
by
putting
some
type
of
name
plate
recognition
on
the
property.
E
Mr
hoffman
did
reduce
the
price,
a
good
amount
of
the
piece
of
property
to
the
city
for
that
acknowledgement
that
the
city
manager
would
follow
through
with
that,
there's
two
other,
I'm
sorry,
there's
three
other
individuals
or
families.
I'd
like
to
recognize
here
and
again
that
this
isn't
an
entire
list.
We
have
a
lot
of
great
people
in
tarpon
springs.
We've
got
a
lot
of
parks.
We've
got
a
lot
of
buildings.
We've
got
a
lot
of
areas
we
can.
We
can
name,
but
one
I
want
to
bring
up
is
carol
martin
and
her
father.
E
E
They
did
a
lot
of
giving
a
lot
of
giving
that
we
didn't
see
without
their
names
associated
with
it.
They
helped
out
a
lot
of
people
in
our
city
and
I
think
it's
it
deserves
a
chance
to
honor
their
family
with
that
one
I'm
asking
for
that
to
be
at
north
ankle,
preserve
and
just
a
another
follow-up,
real
quick
before
I
continue
further
there.
There
is
a
a
guideline
in
how
to
follow
what
needs
to
be
done.
This
was
passed
in
1996
by
the
board
of
commission
at
the
time.
E
I'm
not
sure
if
you
remember
it,
but
it
was
identifying
the
park
if
it's
named
already
seek
guidance
from
the
historical
society,
suitability
for
the
name
of
the
park,
holistic,
accomplishments
and
good
services
to
the
community.
The
individual
cannot
be
alive,
but
it
can
be
a
family
name.
Name
must
be
adopted
by
ordinance,
which
means
it
has
to
be
in
two
different
readings
and
property
owners
must
be
notified
within
200
feet
and
then
background
search
to
make
sure
that
the
name
isn't
offensive.
E
E
The
the
third
one
I'm
asking
for
tonight
is
the
pappas
family.
In
the
back
up
you'll
see,
there's
a
significant
amount
of
information
about
the
pappases
that
louis
pappas
and
his
wife
flora
settled
an
open,
pappas,
restaurant.
E
Also
in
1975
they
opened
the
46
thousand
square
foot
restaurant,
which
was
built
and
run
by
the
suns
and
grandsons
until
2002
when
it
was
sold,
they
employed
300
people
and
fed
over
20
or
12
million
people
and
had
a
large
impact
on
the
economy
growing
up.
It
wasn't
when
someone
would
stop
in
the
street,
they
wouldn't
say:
do
you
know
where
the
sponge
docks?
Is
that
that's
what's
said
today,
they
would
ask
where's
pappas
is
at
and
they
would
say,
poppas
is
they
would
pronounce
mispronounce
it
often.
E
So
it
was
an
iconic
area
for
people
to
visit.
People
knew
the
pappas
name
for
many
many
years
they
would
come
to
tarpon
for
that
that
restaurant
specifically,
I
think
the
city
owes
it
to
the
pappas
family
to
honor
them
with
the
park
naming
the
park.
I'm
recommending
is
north
safford
park.
That's
the
one
across
the
street
from
the
dog
park.
E
And
the
reason
for
that
is
at
the
close
proximity
to
the
sponge
docks
and
that's
the
reason
for
the
suggestion
and
then
the
fourth
one
pertains
to
robert
gauze
a
little
bit
information
about
mr
goss
as
he
was
born
in
1920
in
wall
springs.
He
graduated
from
tarpon
springs
high
school
in
1938
at
age
22.
E
He
enlisted
in
the
army,
served
in
world
war
ii,
he's
a
quartermaster
on
the
any
the
uss
indianapolis
when
it
departed
and
delivered
parts
of
the
atomic
bomb
which
ended
the
war.
E
Six
days
after
delivering
the
bomb
components,
the
ship
was
torpedoed
and
sank.
Nearly
1200
men
aboard
and
gaz
was
one
of
the
313
317
survivors
he's
a
recipient
of
the
purple
heart
and
also
a
later
recipient
of
the
congressional
medal
gold
medal
of
honor
awarded
to
the
crew
of
the
uss
indianapolis
in
july
of
2020..
E
He
did
move
back
to
tarp
and
raise
a
family
here,
he's
a
local
war
hero
and
I
do
believe,
he's
also
a
local
businessman.
He
opened
up
multiple
businesses
in
tarpon
springs.
I
was
a
civic
leader
city
commissioner,
and
philanthropist
as
well,
and
with
that
the
proposal
is
to
look
at
riverside
park.
I
don't
know
that
any
other
history
other
than
riverside
park
that
it
sits
on
riverside
road
and
it
has
riverside
field.
E
We've
always
referred
to
growing
up,
but
it's
be
something
along
the
lines
of
bob
gauze
park
or
robert
gales
park,
and
then
the
riverside
field
would
remain
the
same
as
riverside
field,
and
then
you
also
have
the
tennis
courts
in
the
playgrounds
too.
That
can
be
named
has
some
additional
options
in
the
future.
E
G
M
Good
evening
anita
produce
901
bay
shore
drive.
These
are
worthy
people,
but
I
don't
think
that
you
should
pick
the
people
who
they
will
be
named
after
also
when
parks
are
built.
Sometimes,
when
you
use
state
funds
or
federal
funds,
you
cannot
rename
them
or
put
names
on
them.
So
you
need
to
look
into
that
unless
it's
changed,
because
when
I
was
mayor
you
couldn't
do
it
and
I
like
to
ask
you
what
about
mayor
webster,
who's
pictures
up
here
in
the
hallway
mayor
douglas,
brooks
mary
young
howard.
M
They
all
gave
baynard
laleccas
chiracas,
who
brought
saint
pete
college
here,
so
that
our
children
on
the
north
end
of
the
county
could
get
an
education
bill
lane
who
was
here
for
many
many
years?
M
How
about
dr
clough,
who
assisted
dr
bernard
in
the
first
heart
surgery,
taught
him
and
after
they
did
the
heart
transplant
went
all
over
the
world.
People
knew
he
was
in
tarpon
springs.
What
about
dr
clough
and
dr
thompson,
who
first
made
tarpon
hospital?
What
it
is
today?
What
about
commissioner
vaticodes
father,
who
discovered
a
shell?
That's
in
the
smithsonian
institute.
Now
a
museum
and
people
hear
about
it
from
tarpon
springs
and
they
come.
M
M
It's
causing
a
fury
in
the
community
I'll
tell
you
that
and
people
say
well
what
about
when,
when
five
men,
peter
delaucas's
grandfather
and
five
men
in
tarpon,
your
grandfather,
mr
tulameris
and
and
others
got
together,
went
to
tallahassee
to
start
the
bank
of
tarpon,
because
they
would
not
give
loans
to
the
greek
people
and
they
were
hauling
them
to
the
the
maritime
bank
in
tampa
and
to
the
bank
of
clearwater
there's
so
much
history
here,
you've
got
to
look
at
it,
you
know,
and
everybody
has
given
to
this
community-
I'm
not
saying
the
ones
you've
picked
aren't
worthy,
but
you've
got
to
do
it.
M
The
right
way
and
you've
got
to
change
your
ordinance,
I'm
getting
them
from
around
historical
communities
throughout
the
south
and
out
west
you
don't
they
don't
name
people's
names
and
developments
or
on
streets,
and
they
have
a
tight
tight
program
about
naming
buildings
but
you're
in
a
smaller
community.
And
I
would
you
should
need
to
be
very,
very
cautious
with
what
you
do
with
naming
buildings
and
parks
and
if
we
had
to
borrow
money
or
get
grants
for
these
parks
make
sure
you
you
can
put
names
on
them
before
you
go.
N
My
guys,
the
1515
riverside
drive,
I
was
listening
to
what
lucianne
robinson
said,
and
I
agree
verbatim.
This
is
something
that's
bigger
than
just
any
one,
commissioner,
should
be
bringing
about
to
discuss
amongst
commissioners.
I've
been
up
here
a
number
of
times,
and
I've
said
the
commissioner
should
make
a
decision
for
what
a
board
decides
to
propose
commissioners
shouldn't
be
bringing
something
and
then
making
the
decision
on
it.
So
I
also
agree
with
anita
just
said
as
well:
it's.
This
is
a
bigger
decision.
N
I
don't
know
the
people,
so
I
have
nothing
against
the
people,
I'm
sure
they're.
You
know
fine
great
people,
but
I
I
just
don't
think
that's
something
that
a
single
commissioner
brings
to
a
commission.
I.
I
definitely
think
it
should
be
a
board
decision
from
a
committee,
an
ad
hoc
committee,
and
then
you
guys
can
make
the
decision
on
whether
you
agree
or
disagree
at
that
point,
I
also
think
you
should
take.
Take
it
a
little
bit
slow
and
try
to
do
you
know
one
part.
N
M
Okay,
my
name
is
annie
devs.
I
reside
at
803
south
distance
avenue
and
I
wanted
to
say
about
this
project.
It
is
a
big
project.
I
think
it's
too
big
for
one
person's
input
or
two
people.
I
agree
with
anita.
It's
it's
a
broad
project
and
there
are
many.
Many
people
in
topland
springs
who
have
contributed
to
the
growth
and
development
and
did
many
things
here.
M
There
has
to
be
chosen
with
great
care,
perhaps
going
through
the
historic
society
looking
deeper
into
what
the
contribution
was,
but
I
hope
that
it
could
be
done
in
a
different
way
and
that
it
could
include
all
of
top
and
springs,
not
just
a
few,
because
we
have
a
diverse
group
of
people
here
in
top
and
springs.
Thank
you.
I
I
I
I
I
grew
up
with
the
pappas,
both
lukies
and
jackie's
kids,
so
I
know
them.
I
know
their
contributions
they've
made,
but
as
it's
been
pointed
out-
and
I
don't
know-
I
don't
know
how
mr
gauze
rises
up
to
the
level
of
some
of
the
other
people
that
have
contributed,
and
I
think
that's
what
a
committee
or
group
the
historical
preservation
group
working
with
our
heritage
preservation,
somehow
to
find
a
way
to
recognize
certain
people
in
certain
ways
and
then,
as
it
was
mentioned,
why
throwing
out
three
places
all
at
once.
E
F
Not
really
I
mean
my
comments
are
kind
of
based
on
the
procedural
things,
so
I
just
think
that
it's
probably
best
to
table
this,
but
you
know
we
can
discuss
it.
Okay,
that's
fine!.
E
You
have
any
comments,
christopher
terry.
F
Sure
you
know
I
I'll
keep
it
brief.
I
agree
with
most
of
what
the
speaker
said.
You
know
vice
mayor.
I
definitely
want
to
you
know,
thank
you
for
trying
to
always
be
forward
thinking
and
honoring
springs
and
its
sons
and
daughters.
Obviously
you
know
all
these
people
are
are
qualified
in
my
mind
in
terms
of
recognition,
fortunate
enough
to
know
them
all,
but
you
know
in
a
nutshell,
there's
there's
many
others.
F
I
don't
think
that
renaming
parks
is
the
best
way
to
go
about
it.
Maybe
you
know
new
parks
or
or
things
of
that
nature
would
be
more
palatable,
but
you
know
that
it's
definitely
a
con.
It
needs
to
be
more
comprehensive
than
you
know,
members
of
the
commission,
just
just
selecting
it,
although
again
they're
all
you
know
they're
all
worth
recognizing
in
my
opinion,
but
there's
definitely
others
to
be
recognized,
and
I
think
that
you
know
this
commission
deciding
this
solely
is
not
good.
F
O
O
So
any
kid
that
grew
up
playing
junior,
splendor's
football
or
tarpon
fc
soccer
knows
the
name
john
flattop.
So
I
don't
know
what
it
looks
like,
whether
it's
you
know
memorial
benches
or
memorial
trees.
I
definitely
think
it's
important.
I
definitely
think
these
people
are
worthy,
but
again
we
have
a
finite
amount
of
parks
and
so
many
people
to
recognize
not
just
now,
but
you
know,
100
years
from
now,
I'm
sure
there'll
be
new
names
on
this
list.
K
It
was
for
the
purpose
of
establishing
a
memorial
and
ms
robinson
speaks
very
wisely
because
that's
the
advice
I
gave
the
commission
back
then
that
actually
the
the
people
that
came
forward
and
requested
that
that
there
needs
to
be
when,
when
you
do
something
like
this,
there
needs
to
be
unanimity
on
the
commission.
You
don't
want
a
3-2,
you
don't
want
a
4-1,
you
want
unanimity,
you
want
that
to
be
a
representation
of
the
entire
community.
Wants
that
and
or
else
it
I'm
not
sure
the
word
optics
was
used.
K
I
do
believe
the
and
that
ordinance
was
created
as
a
result
of
that
issue
that
occurred
back
then,
and
I
can
tell
you
for
I
can
tell
you
there's
still
some
hard
feelings
in
tarpon
springs
over
that
within
the
family,
and
I
really
regret
that
and
I
wish
things
were
different,
but
that's
just
the
way
the
the
commission
voted
back
then,
and
I
can
get
into
the
details,
but
it's
not
worth
going
over
that.
K
K
I
believe
the
four
families
that
you
mentioned
are
well
deserving
families,
as
are
many
other
families,
and
I'm
not
sure
what
process
that
we
should
create
again,
that's
for
a
discussion
for
a
different
evening,
but
I
don't
think
that
at
this
point
we're
ready
to
I'm
not
ready
to
move
forward
with
something
like
this
and-
and
I
don't
want
to
get
specifics-
I
I
have
great
respect
for
each
of
the
families.
The
the
pappas
actually
grew
up
with
many
of
the
family
members.
O
K
Close-
and
we
still
maintain
that
friendship,
although
we
don't
see
each
other
as
often
as
we
do
we-
you
know
we-
I
do
have
that
friendship
with
them,
mr
and
ms
hoffman
or
the
essence
of
gentleness.
I
remember
them
with
their
electric
gino
canoe
and
their
outboard
motor,
so
I
still
think
they
exude
gentleness
in
the
community.
K
Mr
goss
he's
a
war
hero
of
utmost
respect
for
mr
robert
goss,
I
remember
the
goss
lumber
company
used
to
accompany
my
uncles,
but
we'd
go
get
wood
there
to
fix
some
of
the
boats
down
to
sponge
docks,
we'd
go
to,
and
I'd
always
see
him
there
and
then,
of
course,
mr
ellis
and
carol
his
daughter.
K
The
last
point
I
wanted
to
make
is
that
I
would
have
suggested
that
we
don't
do
anything
unless
we've
got
a
full
board,
which
would
include
the
mayor
being
here,
and
that
would
have
been
my
first
comment
that
perhaps
if
we
wanted
to
pursue
this,
to
defer
it
until
the
mayor
was
here
as
well.
I
still,
I
feel
strongly
about
the
the
mayor
being
here.
He's
he
does
the
he's
the
head
of
the
city.
He
does
the
dedications
the
commemorations.
K
Everything
ceremonial
he's
involved
in.
I
think
his
participation
in
this
sort
of
discussion
is
very
important,
but
he's
not
here
this
evening,
so
I'm
not
ready
to
make
a
decision
on
anything
this
this
evening
with
regard
to
this
and
at
the
proper
time
I'll
shed
some
more
insight
as
far
as
the
issues
that
we've
had
in
the
past,
with
naming
facilities,
buildings,
parks
and
and
so
forth.
Thank
you
thank.
E
You
just
a
couple
a
couple
comments.
I
appreciate
everyone
speaking
tonight.
I
didn't
make
up
the
process,
I'm
just
following
what
the
current
ordinances
are
and
the
guidelines
are
it's
clear
tonight.
The
board
wants
to
move
this
forward
to
another
time
and
I'm
looking
forward
to
championing
this
on
the
next
board
and
finding
a
resolution
to
honor
our
past
residents
and
honor
the
different
families
that
are
here.
I
think
it's
an
exciting
thing.
I
think
it's
something
we
should
all
celebrate.
E
Miss
protis
past
mayor
brought
up
a
lot
of
great
people.
We've
had
a
lot
of
great
individuals
that
have
been
through
our
city,
obviously
being
established
in
the
late
1800s
you're
going
to
have
a
lot
of
history
here.
E
A
E
Okay-
and
I
think,
there's
also
some
piece
of
property
out
at
sunset
beach
that
was
donated
the
city
as
well
too,
on
the
north
side
to
reference
someone's
name.
It
came
up
maybe
like
four
or
five
years
ago,
and
I
believe.
E
All
right,
can
you
give
me
an
update
on
the
plaque
and
what
the
status
is
on
that?
Okay
and
roll
call.
K
E
Okay,
so
now
we
wrapped
up
that
item
we're
after
7
30
we're
going
to
go
to
item
number
16,
and
this
is
the
ordinances
resolutions
item
16
is
ordinance
2021-17
building
permit.
A
A
P
Need
to
read
the
title?
Okay,
so
if
I
can
do
that
first,
so
this
is
ordinance
2021-17,
an
ordinance
of
the
city
of
tarpon
springs
florida
amending
section
6-4.1
of
chapter
6,
of
the
code
of
ordinances
to
update
the
fees
for
building
permits,
small
scope,
single
trade
permits
not
requiring
plan
review,
including
building
mechanical
electrical
plumbing
and
fuel,
slash
gas,
re-roof
permits,
site
permits,
tree
removal
permits
and
inspection
fees.
P
Floodplain
permits
expired
permits
and
refunds,
administrative
fees,
techno
technology
fees,
state
fees,
fees
for
other
services,
after
the
fact
permit
fees,
re-inspection
fees
and
a
private
provider
fees
providing
for
building
permit
fee
exemptions,
providing
for
conflict
providing
for
severability,
providing
for
codification
and
providing
for
the
effect
of
day
this
ordinance.
That
was
the
second
final
reading
of
ordinance
2021-17
by
title.
Only
this
was
published
in
the
tampa
bay
times
by
title
only
on
february
23rd,
2022.
E
E
Vice
mayor
carr,
yes,
thank
you.
Thanks
kevin
moving
on
the
number
17.,
this
is
resolution.
2022-05
application,
20-15
site
plan
approval.
Let's
see,
city
attorney,
can
you
read
the
title
and
the
quasi-judicial
swearing
in.
P
Yes,
vice
mayor,
this
is
resolution
2022-05,
a
resolution
of
the
city
of
tarpon
springs
florida,
proving
application,
20-150,
requesting
site
plan,
approval
for
gemini
storage,
to
construct
an
outdoor
storage
facility
for
boat
boats
and
recreational
vehicles
on
1.56
acres,
more
or
less
located
on
the
northeast
corner
of
south
safford
avenue
and
mirrors
boulevard,
and
the
intensive
business
ib
zoning
district,
providing
for
findings
providing
for
conditions
and
providing
for
an
effective
date.
P
There
was
a
reading
of
resolution
2022-05
by
title
only
this
is
a
quasi-proceeding,
so
I'm
going
to
read
the
procedures
that
we're
going
to
use
tonight
on
this.
This
is
a
quad
judicial
proceeding
where
the
board
of
commissioners
acts
in
acquisition
rather
than
a
legislative
capacity
at
a
quasi-hearing.
It's
not
the
board's
function
to
make
law,
but
rather
to
apply
law
that
has
already
been
established
in
a
court
judicial
hearing.
P
The
board
is
required
by
law
to
make
findings
of
fact,
based
upon
the
evidence
presented
at
the
hearing
and
apply
those
findings
of
fact
to
previously
established
criteria
containing
the
code
of
ordinances
in
order
to
make
a
legal
decision
regarding
the
application
before
it.
The
board
may
only
consider
evidence
of
this
hearing
that
the
law
considers
competence,
substantial
and
relevant
to
the
issues.
P
If
the
competent
substantial
relevant
evidence
that
the
hearing
demonstrates
that
the
applicant
has
met
the
criteria
establishing
the
coverages,
then
the
board
is
required
by
law
to
find
you
in
favor
of
the
applicant.
By
the
same
token,
if
the
competent,
substantial
and
relevant
evidence
that
the
hearing
demonstrates,
the
applicant
has
failed
to
meet
the
criteria,
establish
the
code
of
ordinances
than
the
borders
required
by
law
to
find
against
the
applicant
before
we
move
on
to
swearing
in
any
of
the
witnesses.
P
Anyone,
no
seeing
none!
Everyone,
that's
going
to
speak
at
this
hearing
tonight.
If
you
could
stand
up,
raise
your
right
hand,
I'm
going
to
swear
you're
under
oath
anyone,
that's
going
to
speak,
you
swear.
The
testimony
about
to
give
tonight
is
going
to
be
the
truth,
the
whole
truth
and
nothing
but
the
truth.
R
Good
evening
vice
mayor
and
commissioners
renee
vincent
planning
director,
this
is
application
20-150
for
property,
that's
located
at
the
northeast
intersection
of
mirrors,
boulevard
and
safford
avenue
and
there's
a
location
map
just
for
context.
This
is
the
site.
R
The
request
is
for
this
is
a
site
plan
review
application.
So
the
request
is
to
review
this
project
as
a
permitted
use
at
the
permit
being
a
request
of
the
applicant
for
boat
and
recreational
vehicle
storage
on
the
property
that
contains
a
little
over
one
and
a
half
acres.
So
this
would
be
an
uncovered
outdoor
storage
facility
for
up
to
72
boats
and
rvs.
The
property
has
an
intensive
business
zoning
district
designation
and
a
commercial
general
future
land
use
map
designation.
R
The
applicant
has
currently
had
proposed
originally
proposed
solid,
fencing
in
the
area
shown
in
yellow
so
along
the
right-of-way
here
and
as
well
as
in
safford
avenue
right
of
way,
and
then
I
propose
chain-link
fencing
here,
we'll
talk
more
about
that
in
a
bit,
and
so
you
just
have.
Basically,
you
do
have
some
paved
parking
spaces
being
added
for
visitor
parking,
but
the
rest
of
the
spaces
that
you
see
and
the
drive
aisles
and
everything
are
existing.
R
I'll
say:
impervious
surface
that's
been
created
over
time.
I'll
talk
more
about
that.
You
also
have
a
situation
here
where
this
area
that's
shaded
in
this
greenish
color.
This
is
a
historical
wetland
area
that
has
been
filled
and
not
by
this
particular
developer,
but
it
is
a
situation
that
needs
to
be
rectified.
So
this
the
proposed
entrance
comes
off
of
safford.
R
As
you
may
know,
there's
a
there's
a
stormwater
facility
here,
so
they
would
have
to
put
culverts
through
here
to
access
the
site
and
there's
also
a
a
surface
stream
or
water
along
here
as
well.
That
will
also
be
culverted
underneath
they
do
have
proposed
plantings
along
safford
avenue,
as
well
as
along
the
buffer
with
the
pre.
The.
R
To
the
north
and
some
plantings
along
the
the
the
rear
edge
of
the
property,
this
area
here
is
identified
as
a
buff
wetland
buffer
enhancement
plan,
with
some
extensive
plantings.
R
That
is
part
of
the
the
mitigation
for
the
the
wetland
impact
areas.
R
R
I've
already
talked
a
little
bit
about
the
landscape
plan
is
the
tree.
You
know
the
tree
assortment
of
dehun
hollies,
bald
cypress
and
sweet
bay.
Magnolias
and
again,
this
buffer
enhancement
plan
will
contain
26,
longleaf
pines
210,
smooth
cord
grass
and
210
wire
grass
plantings.
So
this
is
an
enhanced
buffer
area
along
the
southern
edge
of
the
property.
R
R
Again,
this
is
kind
of
the
existing
wetland
area.
You
can
see
the
surface
water
there
on
the
site
itself.
You
can
see.
This
is
the
type
of
compacted
surface
that
exists.
So
it's
a
you
know
it's
a
mixture
of
what's
visible,
you
know
kind
of
crushed
concrete
and
millings,
and
things
of
that
nature,
along
with
some
some
herbaceous
coverage,
you
know
and
and
existing
grasses
on
the
site,
so
under
our
site
plan
review
criteria
and
I'm
going
to
go
a
little
bit
off
of
the
presentation
here.
R
We
also
have
some
concerns
with
the
parking
lot
design
standards
and
the
screening
standards.
With
respect
to
the
comprehensive
plan.
We
do
think
it's
inconsistent
with
the
future
land
use
policy
2.4.3,
which
is
the
commercial
general
land
use
district
I'll,
go
into
more
detail
in
a
moment,
as
well
as
the
coastal
management
policy.
1.1.1
that
addresses
how
you
deal
with
required
wetland
mitigation
on
a
site.
R
We
don't
see
any
issues
with
the
concurrency
management
and
if
it
does
get
approved,
we
think
it
can
meet
any
required
building
codes.
There's
not
much
building
that's
going
to
be
on
the
site,
so
I
want
to
want
to
kind
of
go
off
the
script
a
little
bit
here
and
talk
about
the
land
use
and
the
zoning
the
comprehensive
plan,
as
well
as
the
countywide
plan.
R
So,
as
I
said,
the
property
is
zoned
intensive
business
and
the
intensive
business
intent
statement
reads
is
to
establish
to
provide
for
areas
of
intense
commercial
activity
involving
major
repair
services,
extensive
outdoor
storage
or
the
display
of
vehicles,
heavy
equipment
or
material,
and
to
provide
for
light
manufacturing
we're
permitted
by
the
comprehensive
plan.
So
all
of
those
things
need
to
come
under
the
you
know
where
permitted
by
the
comprehensive
plan.
The
ib
district
is
kind
of
interesting,
there's,
not
a
lot
of
it
left
in
the
city.
R
Sometimes
it
has
an
underlying
land
use
of
industrial.
In
this
instance,
it
has
an
underlying
land
use
of
commercial
general.
So
we
need
to
take
all
that
into
consideration
when
looking
at
the
site
plan.
So
under
the
permitted-
and
nowhere
really
do
we
have
boat
and
rv
storage
as
a
you
know,
as
a
permitted
use
really
listed
or
called
out,
so
it
typically
ends
up
being
somehow
classified
along
with
warehouse.
R
Other
things
that
might
be
comparable
vehicle
repairs
and
vehicle
sales
and
rentals
are
also
permitted.
You
know,
motor
pool
facilities
are
conditional,
so
there's
not
a
bright
line
as
to
whether
or
not
this
is
permitted
or
conditional.
My
fallback
in
the
instances
where
that
is
usually
to
try
to
bring
them
through
as
a
conditional
use
for
the
board's
consideration.
R
The
applicant
specifically
asked
that
this
be
considered
as
a
permitted
use.
The
other
criteria
under
the
intensive
business
district
that
is
applicable
here
is
under
the
design
criteria.
Number
11.
It
says
outdoor
storage
shall
comply
with
section
57.00,
that
is
our
outdoor
storage
section
of
the
code.
R
So
referring
to
the
going
to
that
section
of
the
code
paragraph
subparagraph
f,
there
does
say
outdoor
storage
first,
it
does
talk
about.
It
has
to
be
approved
by
site
plan.
So
that's
the
process
that
we're
in,
but
it
says,
outdoor
storage
within
the
commercial
general
future
land
use
map
category
shall
comply
with
outdoor
storage
limitations
for
various
uses,
as
prescribed
in
the
pinellas
county
county-wide
plan
rules,
and
this
is
where
this
was
not
clearly
stated
in
the
agenda
packet.
So
I
want
to.
R
I
want
to
talk
about
it
now
with
you
to
make
sure
that
it
is
in
the
record,
so
this
property
under
the
countywide
plan
is,
is
designated
as
retail
and
services,
so
the
the
closest
permitted
use
under
the
use
characteristics
in
that
retail
and
services
category
would
be
storage,
slash,
warehouse,
slash,
distribution,
light
and
then,
when
you
go
to
their
definitions
for
that
specific
category,
storage,
slash
warehouse,
less
distribution
light.
This
is
a
use
devoted
primarily
to
the
storage
or
distribution
of
goods,
materials
or
equipment.
R
Such
you
shall
be
located
within
an
enclosed
building
and
any
exterior
storage
or
distribution
area
shall
be
incidental
to
and
not
exceed,
20
percent
of
the
area
of
the
building
to
which
it's
accessory.
So
taking
all
that
into
consideration,
I
have
a
hard
time
recommending
approval
and
we're
not
recommending
approval
of
this
as
an
open
storage
facility
for
boats
and
that's
the
rationale
behind
the
staff
recommendation
there
so
I'll
beat
that
to
death
anymore.
R
So,
as
we
stated,
the
staff
recommendation
is
denial
based
on
not
meeting
the
intent
of
the
commercial
general
future
land
use
map
category.
I
would
also
add
the
county-wide
plan
map
and
rules
as
part
of
that
rationale
as
well
does
not
comply
with
the
wetland
mitigation
analysis
requirements.
I
do
want
to
call
attention
to
you:
have
a
two-page
handout
in
front
of
you
that
was
added
this
evening.
R
They
have
responded
to
that
and
at
least
provided
a
rationale
for
why
they
want
to
go
directly
to
the
third
option
under
the
mitigation,
which
is
to
basically
purchase
credits
with
with
the
mitigation
bank,
in
addition
to
obviously
they're
doing
the
significant
the
wetland
buffer
planting
there
on
the
proposed
site
plan.
So
I
would
enter
that
into
the
record.
They
have
have
addressed
that
and
the
I've
already
talked
about
the
intent
of
the
warehouse
used
in
intensive
business
district.
R
The
parking
lot
standards
mike
are
concerned
with
this,
while,
while
our
engineers
of
record
have
reviewed
it
from
the
from
a
drainage
perspective
and
they're,
looking
at
it
really
from
the
perspective
of
nothing's
really
changing
on
the
site,
so
the
only
thing,
with
the
exception
of
the
entrance
and
looking
at
the
impacts
on
how
that,
on
that,
the
existing
stormwater
facility
and
they've
been
found.
The
plan-
that's
as
proposed
is
does
not
adversely
affect
that,
so
it's
acceptable.
R
R
The
site's
been
historically
filled
and
their
own
geotechnical
report,
and
that
I
did
send
out
to
the
board
earlier
today
does
indicate
that
there
are
areas
on
this
property
where
the
seasonal
high
ground
water
table
is
within
two
feet
of
the
surface
of
the
of
the
property
that
boats
will
be
being
parked
on,
and
so
without
some
sort
of
a
paved
surface.
That
truly
does
get
any
oils
and
greases
or
anything
like
that
to
a
drainage
facility
where
that
is
treated.
R
I
don't
have
a
lot
of
insurance
that
you
know
that
that's
still
not
going
to
be
going
into
just
the
direct
could
be
going
into
the
underground
water
table
there
and
affecting
eventually
what
goes
into
an
impaired
water
body
so
I'll
leave
that
to
them
to
address
more
fully.
That
is
the
staff
concern
with
that.
R
Approved
in
the
past,
where
we
did
not
require
paved
surface,
so
I
do
want
to
be
respectful
of
what
has
been
done
in
the
past,
but
in
this
instance
we
have
a
very
specific
situation
where
wetlands
have
been
filled
and
now
they
want
to
park
on
top
of
them,
and
you
have
a
groundwater
table,
that's
been
identified
where
you
could
have
an
impact,
so
the
screening
standards,
I
think,
have
largely
been
addressed
through
the
planning
and
zoning
board.
They
did
agree
to
put
solid,
opaque
screening
on
all
four
sides
of
the
property.
R
We
really
were
wanted
that
along
the
southern
edge
specifically
to
prevent
any
further
encroachments.
So
we
want
it
right
on
the
on
the
right
adjacent
to
where
the
storage
is
going
to
be.
So
I
believe,
that's
what
they've
agreed
to
and
I'll
point
out
what
I'm
saying
here
so
originally,
there
was
not
proposed
to
have
any
type
of
offense
along
this
southern
edge
of
the
property
as
part
of
the
planning
and
zoning
board
review
that
has
been
agreed
to,
and
it
is
a
condition
of
approval
and
we
did
not
want
it
down
here.
R
R
R
H
R
F
Thank
you
miss
vincent,
so
this
this
piece
of
property,
although
it's
very
close,
is
not
the
special
area
plan,
correct,
correct
and
your
opinion
is
there
some,
let's
just
say,
inconsistencies
as
it
relates
to
zoning
and
land
use
for
what
the
applicant
is
trying
to
do
as
it
relates
to
permitted
use
yes
and
you
advise
them
that
it
would
probably
be
in
their
best
interest
to
apply
for
a
conditional
use.
F
R
R
Solid
fencing
along
this
portion
of
the
site
and
solid
fencing
along
this
portion
of
the
site.
This
was
to
be
chain
link
this
we're
not
as
concerned
about
because
of
the
use
to
the
north.
It's
basically
like
for,
like
type
of
of
use.
They
did
not
propose
they.
They
wanted
to
basically
utilize
this
as
a
natural
buffer
option
for
screening
and
didn't
think
that
that
it
needed
to
be
felt
that
the
landscaping
and
the
trees
and
things
would
over
time
would
would
meet
that
requirement
and.
R
I
will
say
that
you
you,
can
you
can
classify
something
as
a
natural
buffer
for
for
screening
purposes.
Our
concern,
our
bigger
concern.
Excuse
me
with
this
area,
although
you
do
have
you
know,
you
do
have
a
view
shot
off
of
meers
boulevard.
If
you
go
drive
down
there,
you
know
you're
going
to
have
a
view
into
this
property.
More
than
likely
we,
our
our
bigger
concern,
really
was
a
hard
delineation
along
this
area
so
that
there's
no
further
encroachment
right
now
they
have,
I
mean
they're,
proposing
parking
stops.
R
You
know
we
had
asked
for
you
know,
can
you
can
you
curb
all
of
it
so
that
I
mean
we're
just
really
trying
to
prevent
any
future
encroachment
into
these
areas?
They've,
you
know
came
back
with
with
the
proposed
parking
stops
and
and
wanted
to
go
with
the
natural
buffer.
Then,
with
this
being
you
know,
enhancement,
you
know
buffer
area,
so
you
know
the
planning
and
zoning
board
agreed.
R
You
know
did
agree
that
this
area
should
go
ahead
and
be
fenced
along
with
with
a
heart,
with
a
opaque
fence
at
six
feet
along
with
these
areas.
Here.
F
So
is
that
something
that
wouldn't
I
mean,
I
know
that
we
can
make
that
a
condition
of
approval
right,
but
is
that
not
something
that
would
require
a
variance.
R
No,
no,
I
think,
there's
there's.
There
are
options
for
for
fen
for
screening.
When
you
look
at
our
required
screening
area.
There's
it's
you
know
fencing.
You
know
an
eight
foot
buffer
minimum
eight
foot
buffer
or
a
fifteen
foot
natural
buffer
or
a
combination
of
things.
So
I
think
you
have
the
latitude.
You
know
too.
O
R
The
under
a
permitted
use
your
the
the
onus
to
show
compatibility
is
is
much
less.
Basically,
it's
assumed
to
be.
You
know
you
still
have
you
know
the
land,
the
future
land
use
category
element
there
of
you
know
looking
at
the
outdoor
storage
in
the
correct
context,
but
the
overall
use
itself.
You
know
you're,
not
it's
not
as
as
onerous.
R
R
K
The
I'll
just
stick
to
the
points,
there's
a
lot
of
questions
I
have
concerning
the
site,
but
for
the
purposes
of
this
evening,.
K
The
your
recommendations
for
denying
or
at
least
the
inconsistencies
with
a
comprehensive
plan,
one
was
the.
Let
me
get
the
hard
one
out
of
the
way.
First,
the
future
land
use
element
policy.
I
think
2.4.3
and
there's
several
paragraphs
within
that,
and
can
you
discuss
a
little
bit
what
your
basis
was
for
that.
R
I'll
just
kind
of
read
through
these
the
one.
The
one
of
question
is
subparagraph
c,
where
it
says
intensive
commercial
uses
may
be
permitted,
provided
they
are
reviewed
for
land
use,
compatibility
and
outdoor
storage
is
restricted
or
opaquely
screened,
and
then
screening
shall
include
landscaping
techniques.
R
So
you
know
outdoor
storage
being
restricted
and
we,
you
know
we
have
taken
the
view
that
outdoor
storage
as
a
as
the
entire
use
itself
is
not
the
intent
that
the
intent
is
that
it's
outdoor
storage
is
accessory
to
some
other.
You
know
a
permitted
use
that
you
know
that
would
be
in
a
warehouse
or
in
a
in
something
to
that.
Outdoor
storage
in
and
of
itself
is
not
what
the
intent
of
this
commercial
gen
of
this
of
this
is,
and
that's
all
further
backed
up
by
the
countywide
plan
rules.
R
Yes,
now
I
will
say
you
know,
since
since
the
staff
report
was
drafted
and
since
the
planning
concerning
board
hearing,
we
did
get
there,
they
gave
us
a
written.
You
know
justification
what
we,
what
we
did
not
have
was
any
kind
of
a
justification
for
immediately
jumping
to
the
third
option,
so
there's
three
options
under
that
that
policy
for
dealing
with
wetland
mitigation,
the
first
choice,
the
first
preference
is
on-site.
K
R
K
Okay-
and
I
read
this
report-
and
what
this,
what
this
report
states-
is-
that
the
reason
why
they're
recommending
the
off
site
is
because
they
they
don't
want
to
give
up
four
tenths
of
an
acre
to
do
mitigation
to
re-establish
the
wetland
on
site
or
somewhere
else
in
this
correct.
Okay.
So
it
seems
to
me
that
the
applicant
is
asking
the
city
to
bear
responsibility
for
something
that
happened
some
time
ago.
Maybe
I'm
missing
something,
but
but
there's
a
compliance
issue
with
swift
mod.
P
S
S
S
S
My
client
before
they
purchased
the
property,
approached
the
city
about
what
they
thought.
It
wasn't
an
extensive
meeting.
I
was
not
there,
but
they
didn't
recall
anything
coming
up
about
this
being
a
conditional
use
for
the
boat
boat
and
rv
storage.
They
may
have
may
have
been
brought
up,
but
they
don't
recall
that
coming
up
and
I
actually
during
the
permitting
effort.
I
don't
really
recall
that
coming
up,
I
I've
been
involved
in
the
project
since
2020
and
my
client
purchased
the
property
the
past
year
in
2019.
S
The
wetland
impacts
were,
from
decades
of
construction
debris
being
placed
on
this
site.
We're
not
exactly
sure
when
we've
studied
the
aerials
and
it's
hard
to
determine
exactly
you
know
when
the
majority
of
it
was
brought
in.
But
it's
been
there
for
quite
some
time.
You
can
drive
a
truck
around
the
site.
In
fact,
I
have
a.
I
only
have
two
aerials
from
2017
which
show
the
adjacent
use,
which
is
to
the
north,
storing
trucks,
semi
trucks
and
some
on
the
property.
S
P
P
S
So
that
ariel
shows
trucks
on
the
adjacent
property
to
the
to
the
north
and
and
truck
trailers
on
this
property
as
well.
So
the
surface
is
very
hard.
In
fact,
the
geotechnical
firm
had
a
very,
very
much
difficult
time
trying
to
drill
holes
on
the
site
when
we
sent
them
out
there
to
do
the
soil,
borings.
S
As
far
as
ms
vincent's
concern
about
the
groundwater
being
contaminated
well,
if
we
had
a
conventional
parking
lot,
that's
paved
and
we
collected
the
runoff
in
storm
sewers
or
just
let
it
run
off
the
parking
lot
into
a
pond.
It
would
be
directly
connected
to
the
groundwater
immediately
now,
of
course,
before
discharged
into
the
downstream
waters,
it
would
have
to
sit
in
the
pond
either
percolate
through
the
soil
or
evaporate.
S
So
I
think
actually,
this
is
a
to
putting
it
in
a
pond
where
it
directly
immediately
connects
with
the
groundwater
which
the
the
pond
level
is
going
to
be
connected
to
the
groundwater,
unless
it's
aligned
pond,
which
is
typically
not
done
in
this
area
of
florida,.
K
Were
you
going
to
address
the
geotechnical
report?
I'd
be
happy
to.
S
Typically,
they
do
recommend
the
pavement
surface
and
base
and
everything,
but
in
this
instance
it's
unusual
because
the
the
existing
soils
are
so
stable,
they're,
so
firm
that
and
plus
they
knew
that
we
weren't
going
to
be
paving
so
and
also
there's
no
buildings.
S
Perhaps
it
was
something
that
they
overlooked
when
they
were
preparing
the
report,
but
we
weren't
looking
for
recommendations.
We
were
looking
for
results
on
on
the
what
was
down
there.
We
wanted
to
make
sure
we
weren't
on
a
landfill.
S
That
would
be
a
very
hazardous
condition
and
we
also
wanted
to
know
how
deep
the
rock
was,
and
so
we
that's
the
information
that
we
wanted.
We
really
weren't
working
looking
for
recommendations
on
building
preparation
or
for
paving.
K
K
Okay,
well
beneath
the
solid,
the
consolidated
layer
of
debris,
there
is
also
a
peat
and
in
the
report
they
said-
and
this
is
where
I'm
having
an
issue
with
a
non-paved
area
where
you
would
actually
do
some
compaction.
You
would
do
some
testing
and
you
would
make
sure
that
there
aren't
any
problems.
You
would
have
a
basically
a
a
permitted
surface
water
treatment
for
that
site.
It
says
here
that
you
should
expect
in
the
long
term,
subsidence
from
the
consolidation
or
the
dissipation
of
the
organic,
which
I'm
a
former
pe.
K
K
I
know
it
would
be
the
owner's
responsibility,
but
I
don't
want
to
wind
up
with
a
project
that
is,
for
the
sake
of
of
of
a
better
way
of
describing
it
something
that
is
being
put
on
our
backs,
rather
than
it
being
done
right
to
begin
with,
and
so
I
I,
as
far
as
a
question
goes
you
do.
You
agree
with
the
findings
of
this
geotechnical
report
or
you
don't.
S
So
I
mean
I
don't
have
the
same
concern
I
mean
I
respect
your
opinion,
but
I
think
because
it's
been
down
there
so
long
in
some
cases,
20
years
as
far
as
we
can
tell
that,
if
there's
any
problem
with
subsidence,
it's
already
already
occurred
and
my
driving
around
the
site
a
couple
times.
I
don't
see
any
signs
of
the
holes
anywhere.
S
In
some
cases
waist
high
that
needs
to
be
cut
down,
they
may
they
may
smooth
out
the
surface,
but
we're
not
doing
any
wholesale
regrading
we're
going
to
use
the
material
that's
there,
because,
obviously
it's
supported
trucks,
so
it
can
certainly
support.
Rvs
and
boats
is.
K
Is
the
material
that
appears
to
be
asphalt?
Is
that
asphalt
or
is
it
slag.
S
I
I
think
it's
broken
asphalt.
I
think
it's
brought
from
a
from
some
sort
of
construction
site.
S
E
I've
got
one,
I'm
sorry.
I
got
one
question
so
you're
talking
about
the
screening
side
of
things
I
could
see
like
right
in
the
mirrors
from
the
property
and
longleaf
pines,
obviously
get
up
tall.
Was
there
any
other
thought
of
using
any
other
material
and
that
you
have
bald
cypress
in
the
road
facing
to
safford?
Again,
it's
nothing
really
that
creates
any,
I
guess
blocking
or
anything
along
those
lines
of
the
stored
boats
or
rvs.
Where
it's
going
to
go
in
there
I
mean
what
was
the
consideration
with
that.
S
Well,
first
off
we're
certainly
open
to
substitutions
that
the
city
may
may
recommend
the
city's
been
very
cooperative
throughout
this
whole
process.
We
were
trying
to
come
up
with
plants
that
were
native
and
that
were
somewhat
saltwater,
tolerant
being
the
with
us
so
close
to
the
gulf.
S
But
the
owner
has
a
particular
interest
in
horticulture
and
seems
to
know
a
lot,
but
again,
we'd
be
certainly
willing
to
look
at
changing
the
plant
planting
palette.
Okay,.
S
Well,
if
we
were
right
up
against
the
roads,
eight
foot
might
sound
reasonable,
but
we're
we.
We
have
a
150
foot
separation
from
safford
and
about
200
feet
from
mirrors
and
and
on
mirrors
we
have
the
the
city
is
going
to
be
beautifying.
The
north
right-of-way
line
of
mirrors
with
trees
soon
we're
going
to
be
planting
trees
within
our
wetland
buffer
enhancement,
so
it
just
doesn't
seem
like
eight
foot
is,
is
reasonable.
On
the
south
side,
however,
if
that's
what
you
all
decide
that
we
will
come,
we
will
comply.
Okay.
B
Talk
to
me
touch
on
maintenance
of
the
site
with
the
with
the
gravel
and
what's
there
now,
there
will
always
mow
scrape,
add
more
crushed
concrete,
gravel,
whatever
they
need
to
do
to
keep
it
looking
nice,
because
it's
their
sites
just
like
any
other
site,
you
know
private
site
with
their
asphalt
cracks.
They
have
to
redo
it.
It's
not
the
city's
responsibility,
so
that'll
that
should
always
be
addressed
should
never
be
a
problem.
B
B
We
talked
about
it
in
in
png
hearing
last
week
that
we
decided
to
put
a
not
solid,
opaque
because
they're
kind
of
the
same
thing,
the
if
you
read
the
ordinance
it's
the
opaque,
is
in
red.
It's
added,
so
solid
should
have
been
crossed
out.
So
it's
we
could
put
a
chain
link
fence
there.
That
has
the
slats
in
it
to
be
opaque,
but
we
kind
of
rather
have
a
curb
to
be
honest
with
you.
We
don't.
B
So
if
that
was
a
big
concern,
we
could
do
that
instead
and
we
talked
about
in
png
also
the
doing
a
six
foot
fence
instead
of
eight
more
than
anything
it
was,
it
was
because
the
eight-foot
fence
can
become
unstable
and
fall
apart
and
just
not
look
as
well
and
plus
with
those
trees.
You
know
the
cypress
trees
and
the
other
things
we
have
out
there
they're
going
to
grow
above
the
fence
anyway,
and
provide
all
the
screening.
B
And
just
to
touch
on
the
zoning
a
bit
to
be
when
I
know
renee's
done
her
homework
and
everything
and
she
has
to
send-
has
to
go
for
denial
because
it
doesn't
fit
exactly
the
way
it
should.
But
it
makes
it
sound
like
we're
trying
to
cram
this
use
into
a
category
that
doesn't
belong.
But
this
use
doesn't
belong
anywhere
in
the
city.
B
K
Did
you
mention
that
you
would
bring
in
crushed
concrete.
B
K
Well,
the
last
time
I
dealt
with
swift
mud,
they
kind
of
frowned
on
crushed
concrete.
As
far
as
a
pervious
surface,
I.
B
Don't
know,
maybe
things
have
changed
in
that
regard.
This
thing
is
considered
basically
impervious
because
it's
so
solid
right
now,
so
we're
not
adding
impervious
we're
it's
just.
The
whole
thing
is
impervious
already:
okay,
even
even
where
the
grass
areas
are.
It's
it's
concrete
on
a
cronkite
or
asphalt
crushed,
underneath
it's
just
growing
through
that
water.
K
Your
your
entrance
is
a
fairly
long
entry
from
the
fence
to
to.
Actually,
I
guess,
it's
safford
avenue
that
it
would
be
connecting
to
what
is
that
gonna
be
made
out
of.
K
And-
and
maybe
I
and
I
I
think
I
know
the
answer,
but
why
don't
you
pave
this
into
a
regular
pape?
You
know
park
paving
with
with
retention
the
whole
thing
paved
surface
for
parking
with
retention.
Well,.
B
As
far
as
the
retention
goes,
we
don't
need
retention
because
the
whole
thing's
impervious
so
you
you
have
retention
to
make
up
the
difference
between
the
what's
there
now
and
the
new
impervious
we're,
adding
we're,
not
adding
any
new
impervious.
So
if
this
wasn't
for
wetlands
and
all,
we
would
be
exempt
from
the
source
yeah.
That's
I'm.
K
Like
I'll
be
honest,
I'm
struggling
with
this
one,
because
I
I
don't
know
the
I
mean
just
the
history
of
what
was
stated
in
the
report
and
and
and
I
I
just
I
just
from
the
city's
perspective-
I'd
like
to
do
things
right.
I
don't
know
what's
in
that
consolidated
debris,
I
know
what
the
geotechnical
report
stated
under
under
normal
circumstances.
All
that
stuff
would
be
removed,
it'd
be
democked,
it
would
be
basically
stabilized
and
you
would
basically
be
able
to
put
a
paved
parking
lot
on
it.
K
The
whole
thing
if
it
was
to
be
done
from
my
perspective,
right
and-
and
I'm
just
not
you
know
from
that
standpoint-
I
know-
maybe
for
the
owner
or
the
developer,
it's
a
matter
of
economics
or
something.
But
from
my
perspective,
if
I
I'm
sitting
here,
I
you
know,
we've
got
a
wetland.
That's
been
taken
out
it's
under
a
compliance
issue.
B
K
Right,
but
I
think
the
point
I'm
trying
to
make
is
that
you
don't
know:
what's
in
the
debris
and
the
pave
area,
wherever
you're
going
to
have
retention,
it's
going
to
be
cleaned
up,
you're
not
going
to
have
debris,
you're
not
going
to
have
muck
it's
going
to
be
basically
retention
and
one
value
to
a
paved
surface
would
be
the
water
would
be
collected
at
the
surface
and
routed
to
the
retention
pond.
It
would
not
be
filtering
down
through
this
debris
field.
B
P
L
I'm
mark
moan,
I'm
the
applicant
okay,
so
I
just
wanted
to.
E
L
1716
eagle,
trace,
boulevard,
west
coral
springs,
florida
33071
and
I
have
a
partner
thomas
rice,
who
is
not
able
to
be
here
tonight,
he's
up
in
minnesota
anyway.
He
started
off
this
project
and
then
brought
me
in
later
on,
so
he
went
when
he
had
come
to
this
project.
He
went
to
the
city
which,
at
that
time
was,
I
think,
heather
was
heading
it
up
and
asked
the
city
about.
You
know
putting
a
boat
and
rv
storage
at
this
site
before
we
bought
the
property.
L
L
So
when
we
got
the
letter
from
swiftmont,
we
were
flabbergasted,
it
was
just
a
shock
and
that's
when
I
you
know
and
that
I
had
already
hired
our
engineer
by
that
time
and
and
so
it
was
what
what
was
it
a
month
later,
yeah
a
month
after
we
had
already
started
our
engineering
plans
and
paid
for
engineering.
We
find
out
that
there's
a
swift
month
problem,
there's
there
was
never
recorded,
it
was
never
recorded.
L
There
was
no
violation
filed
by
swift
mod.
The
only
way
you
could
have
found
out
about
the
violation
is,
if
you
call
you
know,
if
you
knew
to
call
swiftmont,
which
of
course,
we
didn't
and
by
my
understanding
from
most
engineers,
most
people
don't
go
down
that
route
anyway,
it's
not
a
usual
thing.
L
So
once
we've
established
that
we
had
that
problem,
then
we
had
got
marty
from
armstrong
environmental
services
involved.
So
we
tried
and
then
started
going
back
and
forth
with
swift
mud
about
and
they
they
had
some.
L
L
So
this
was
a
very
big
surprise
and
this
was
not
something
we
were
wanting
to
get
into
and
that's
why
we
asked
the
question:
is
there
anything
we
need
to
know
about
this
property
before
we
buy
it,
and
had
we
known
that
we
would
have
never
bought
this
property
because
of
all
the
problems
that
we've
and
all
we're
doing
now
is
trying
to
solve
the
problem
with
swift
mod,
which
is
going
to
cost
us
more
than
we
expected,
and
then
you
know
it
was
supposed
to
be
a
simple,
pretty
straightforward
project
and
the
city
had
pretty
much
agreed
that
that's
what
they
wanted.
L
Suddenly,
it's
like
the
city
doesn't
want
this
project
and
everything
is
going
against
it
and
we're
stuck
with
this
thing
now
that
you
know
so,
and
so
we're
just
trying
to
keep
moving
forward
and
find
solutions
to
these
problems
where
everybody
you
know
is
satisfied,
including
us,
because
I
think
you
know
it
it
matters.
L
So
we
have
a
property.
That's
you
know
that
has
motor
pool
and
other
aspects
to
it.
It
had
trucks
on
it
for
a
long
time.
This
product
we,
when
did
we
buy
it?
2019
18,
so
we
bought
this
and
it
had
been
that
way
for
a
long
time.
L
The
original
engineer
that
we
were
talking
to
and
started
with
was
his
name
was
bouchard
and
he
said
it
was
just
vacant
land.
So
it
was
very,
it's
been
a
very
difficult
process
and
we've
been
we
kept
coming
back
with
with
solutions
and
ways
that
we
can
go
about.
You
know
we've
offered
to
we're
not
opposed
to
putting
a
curb
over
there,
but
we
have
a
wet.
We
have
that
big
distance
on
the
south,
and
then
you
have
all
that
water.
L
I
think
the
city
had
a
problem
back
at
a
time
with
another
I've
heard
a
rumor
that
they
had
a
problem
with
a
boat
so
they're,
I
think
they're
a
little
nervous
about
putting
another
boat
place
in,
but
that
they
didn't
really
keep
things
up
and-
and
I
can
understand
that,
but
we
want
something
that
looks
nice,
that's
attractive,
that
we
keep
up
and
and
are
proud
to
be
part
of
the
city
and
to
have
a
yeah.
It's
a
nice
looking
business,
my
house
is
nice,
but
we
keep
things
nice.
L
So
that's
that's
who
we
are.
I
don't
know
if
that
helps
any,
but
any
questions
for
me.
K
L
Certain,
I
I
don't
know
we're
you
know
we
we're
not
huge
developers,
we're
just
people
trying
to
run.
You
know,
generate
a
business,
you
know
the
the
most
we've
done
is
you
know,
house
building
and
those
sorts
of
things.
My
friend
did
some
some
development
up
in
in
in
minnesota,
putting
up
lots
and
he
never
had
to
run
across
anything
like
that
either.
So,
in
his
experience,
he's
never
run
across
needing
to
do
those
things
either.
So
you
know
that's
our
experience.
K
P
N
Thank
you
mike
eisner,
1515,
riverside
drive.
I
wanted
to
start
off
by
saying
I'm
not
sure
why
we're
getting
these
19-page
geotechnical
reports
at
2
30
in
the
afternoon
on
the
day
that
we
have
the
meeting.
It's
very
important
stuff,
that's
sitting
in
here
information
that
we
need-
and
we
kind
of
need
this
a
lot
before
this
to
try
to
read
through
it,
but
so
I'm
going
to
only
touch
base
with
this.
N
First
of
all,
if
you
can
install
boats,
trailers,
they're,
guaranteed
to
have
bilge
pumps,
bilge
areas
and
grease
dripping
in
there's
no
question
and
it's
going
to
go
straight
into
the
water.
It
says
here.
The
scope
of
our
services
does
not
include
any
environmental
assessments
or
studies
or
the
possible
president
precedence
presence
of
hazardous
or
toxic
materials
in
the
soil,
ground,
water
or.
N
Within
or
in
the
general
vicinity
of
the
site
study,
so
in
other
words,
if
we
don't
have
any
knowledge
of
what's
there
now
and
they
contaminate
it,
how
do
you
do
a
comparison?
I
know
I
only
have
three
minutes,
there's
just
so
much
here
that
rubs
me
wrong.
I
mean
I
feel
bad
that
they
bought
this
without
looking
into
it
first
to
see
if
it
was
a
viable
purchase
for
a
for
a
good
area
like
this,
but
it
isn't
the
case.
N
The
other
thing
that
I'm
reading
in
here
is
it's
a
very
common
area
for
sinkholes.
So
we
have
to
kind
of
consider
that
as
well
and
I'm
pretty
sure
I
don't
have
much
more
time.
So
I
thank
you.
G
Going
to
echo
some
of
what
mike
said,
one
of
the
things
I
wanted
to
bring
up
with
you
and
I
and
I'm
I'm
kind
of
feeling,
sorry
for
the
person
that
bought
the
property,
because
he
didn't
fully
check
it
out
before
he
before
he
actually
committed
to
it.
G
However,
this
project
has
been
ongoing
for
over
two
and
a
half
years
six
times
before
the
trc
recommendations
were
given.
Recommendations
were
not
adopted.
We
are
looking
at
a
project
here
which
has
problems
with,
for
example,
the
idea
they're
not
paving
so
it's
semi-permeable
material
on
the
lot.
The
water
table
is
two
feet
underneath
that
there's
portions
of
the
wetlands
that
have
already
been
filled,
I
mean
we
know
it's
filled
with
construction
debris.
G
We
have
no
idea
of
the
toxic
toxicity
of
that
site
at
any
particular
time
and
there's
been
no
effort
so
far
to
do
soil
testing
to
the
point
of
testing
for
toxins.
All
they
did
was
try
to
do
some
core
testing
to
see
if
it
would
sink,
which
there's
organic
material
in
the
in
the
first
four
feet.
So
we
know
it's
going
to
sink
at
some
particular
time.
They've
resisted
or
or
tried
to
get
down
to
a
six
foot
fence,
one
on
eight
foot
fence.
Clearly
what.
G
I
take
great
care
of
it;
it
still
leaks
oil,
sometimes,
as
does
every
other
vehicle,
I
think
known
to
man,
that's
going
to
fall
onto
a
semi-permeable
surface
and
percolate
through
the
groundwater,
which
is
only
two
feet
underneath
there.
This
is
not
a
good
idea.
This
is
just
this
this
project
and
I
feel
sorry
for
the
person
who's
who's
trying
to
develop
it.
This
project
is
just
basically
garbage
in
garbage
out.
Thank
you
very
much.
I
I
But
if
you
look
at
the
property
itself
and
if
I
recall
a
while
back
city
had
to
settle
a
lawsuit
for
700
000,
where
our
insurance
carrier
covered
some
and
we
had
to
pay
what
65
or
35
I
don't
remember.
Y'all
can
remember
because
of
the
sinkholes
that
were
already
out
there
and,
as
it's
been
pointed
out
in
the
report,.
I
Florida
is
underlined
by
limestone
bedrock
that
is
susceptible
to
dissolution.
The
subsequent
development
of
cars
features
such
as
voids
and
sinkholes,
therefore
accompanied
by
some
risk,
and
that
internal
soil
erosion
and
ground
substances
subsistence
could
affect
new
structures
in
the
future
is
not
possible
investigators
designed
to
completely
eliminate
the
possibility
of
future
sinkhole
related
problems.
In
any
event,
the
owner
must
understand,
except
this
risk
etcetera,
etcetera,
sir,
and
it
was
also
read
about
the
environmental
assessment
now.
I
Said
near
the
southwest
corner
of
the
property
within
25
feet,
wetland
the
similar
debris
lane
fill
extended
from
existing
ground
surface
to
boring
termination
at
two
to
two
and
a
half
feet
earlier.
It
says
the
borings
performed
at
the
site
were
fill
laden
filled
consisting
of
fine
sand
with
silk,
concrete
slabs
and
fragments
asphalt,
bricks,
pipes,
wood,
etc
from
ground
surface
to
boring
termination
depths
of
about
two
to
five
feet:
there's
been
all
kinds
of
stuff
dumped
in
there
years
and
years
of
people
getting
away
dumping
stuff.
I
I
I
I've
learned
how
hard
it
is
to
get
around
corners
and
to
back
up
into
sights
you're
telling
me,
with
we've,
got
rocks
down
by
by
the
train
station
to
keep
people
from
going
over
the
curb,
or
the
trail
and
you're
going
to
try
to
get
15
foot
trucks
with
maybe
a
35-foot
boat
to
go
around
that
corner
and
they're
going
to
get
stuck
they're
going
to
be
backing
up
over
the
trail.
I
Let's
look
realistically
of
what
they're
proposing
the
whole
thing
is
a
project
on
the
cheap
and
are
we
going
to
let
developers
from
coral
springs
or
houston
or
anywhere
else
keep
coming
in
here
and
telling
us
how
we
have
to
design
our
city?
Yes,
it's
not
in
the
special
area
plan,
but
it's
in
the
gateway.
It's
right
there,
where
people
come
up
the
trail
and
you
want
to
see
a
boat,
an
rv
parking
place
and.
I
You've
got
enough
grounds
that
it
doesn't
meet
the
criteria
of
the
city's
needs
and
I'm
sorry
they
didn't
do
their
due
diligence.
You
can't
turn
around
blame
the
city
that
they
didn't
tell
them
about
swift
mud.
You
got
a
wetland
on
your
property.
You
know
you
need
deals
with
mud.
You
should
have
called
them
yourself.
P
R
I
think
the
only
thing
I
would
just
like
to
add
at
this
point,
because
there's
been
reference
to
that.
The
fact
that
well
it's
it's
there,
well
the
casual
use
of
a
site
and
filling
and
stuff
because
it
was
done,
doesn't
make
it
legal
and
legally
established
and,
and
that
you
know
so,
I
just
I
did
want
to
make
sure
that
that
was
at
least
expressed
and
put
in
the
record.
Thank
you.
L
Well
again,
if
we
go
back
to
that,
you
know
when
we
asked
the
city
if
they
would
be
wanting
a
boat
and
rv
storage
there.
The
answer
was
yes.
This
was
before
we
bought
the
property
and
we
didn't
fill
this
property.
We
never
filled
this
property.
This
was
long
before
us
years
before
us,
apparently
and
there's
a
dispute
over
where
the
actual
wetline
is.
According
to
my
engineer,
if
you'd
like
more,
he
can
he
can
speak
to
that,
but.
L
L
The
city
said
there
was
no
problem
with
this
property
that
should
count
for
something,
and
we
even
made
the
extra
phone
call
to
other
people
inside
the
city
that
were
supposed
to
have
the
answers
to
that
and
why
the
city
didn't
file
a
violation
against
the
people
that
owned
it
prior
or
all
the
people
that
filled
it
for
all
the
years
that
it
sat
there
and
accumulated
all
that
stuff
and
then
all
of
a
sudden,
we're
owning
it
we're
holding
the
bag.
On
this
whole
thing,
it
doesn't
seem
to
me
to
be
correct.
P
E
Okay,
we
will
chair,
will
entertain
a
motion
and
we'll
go
to
board
comments.
P
F
O
Yeah,
thank
you
vice
mayor
and
thank
you
to
the
applicant
for
being
here
tonight.
I
can
sympathize
with
the
perceived
communication
breakdown,
but
that's
something
you
know
that's
kind
of
just
he
said
she
said
unless
we
have
emails
or
anything
like
that
to
back
up
saying,
hey,
we
got
this
direction
on
this
date,
so
without
that
we
really
can't
put
much
stock
into
it.
And
again
I
love
private
property
rights.
O
K
I
think
many
people
know
I'm
I'm
a
big
believer
in
the
comprehensive
plan.
I
know
we're
updating
it,
but
our
our
staff
basically
bases
their
recommendation
to
deny
on
the
fact
that
it
doesn't
comply
with
two
sections
of
the
comprehensive
plan,
one
being
the
future
land
use
element,
specifically
policy,
2.4.3
and
then
also
the
coastal
management
plan
policy.
1.1.1.
K
And
I've
listened
to
the
discussion
of
mrs
vincent
and
I
agree
and
also
based
on
my
questioning
of
the
of
the
applicant.
I
I
feel
that
those
observations
by
our
staff
are
valid.
I
also
regret
the
fact
that
you
all
bought
the
property
with
with
I'm
not
sure
how,
but
I
mean
you
probably
should
have
had
that
gentleman
on
staff
before
you
bought
the
property,
and
I
think
you
would
have
suggested
to
do
some
things
before
you
actually
sign
the
dotted
line,
regardless
of
what
the
the
city
would
tell
you.
K
E
Yeah,
just
commissioner
terry
payne,
did
you
have
any
comments?
Okay,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
it's
the
staff.
They
provided
multiple
issues
with
the
application.
It
wasn't
just
one
that
was
a
gray
area.
We
had
to
go,
buy
what
the
codes
are
and
the
guidelines
are
set
by
the
city,
so
we're
not
making
new
law.
Like
the
city
attorney
said,
we
have
to
interpret
the
law
that
we
have
before
us.
So
with
that
city
clerk,
I'm
going
to
go
to
roll
call.
G
E
K
I
do
thank
you,
mr
smith.
I
had
a
discussion
with
the
city
manager
today,
and
this
is
also
related
to.
K
One
of
the
requests
that
you've
got
in
the
arpa
funds,
with
for
two
million
dollars
for
cyber
security
for
the
treatment
plan,
and
I've
been
a
commissioner
for
a
couple
of
years
now,
but
and
even
before
you
know
my
my
observation
concerning
the
wells.
I
think
commissioner,
tara
pani
brought
it
up
and
I
said
well,
I'm
not
sure
understood
and
it
turned
out
to
be
the
pipeline
from
the
distant
portable
wells
to
connect
it
to
dilute.
K
You
know
the
the
ro
plant
was
built
under
a
certain
design
envelope
in
terms
of
performance
and
the
expected
performance
with
regard
to
the
cost
per
water
and
I've
seen
in
I've,
I've
seen
the
this
design
envelope
change
in
the
sense
of
of
unin
unpredicted
or
what,
however,
you
would
call
it
unintended.
K
Certainly,
events
that
have
taken
place,
the
the
wells,
the
cyber
security,
the
issue
that
happened
with
oldsmar's
our
old
plant
there's
a
number
of
things.
So
it's
like
everything
else
that
I've
asked
with
regard
to
the
city
manager
in
terms
of
kind
of
looking
at
something
comprehensively
a
to
z.
At
some
point,
I'm
going
to
prove
this
tonight,
I'm
going
to
support
and
approve
this.
I
don't
have
an
issue,
but
I
do
want
to
see
some
kind
of
a
plan
a
to
z.
K
So
we
need
to
be
kind
of
real
sober
about
how
we
approach
this
in
the
future
and
especially
when
we're
going
to
be
looking
at
water
rates
and
sewer
rates
in
the
future.
And
I
just
I've
got
some
concerns
right
now
that
we
seem
to
kind
of
and
not
intentionally.
But
we
seem
to
keep
adding
the
cost
to
the
plant
a
little
bit
over
what
it
was
originally
intended
to
be,
and
and
for
you
know,
for
what
the
foreseen
situation
is
we're.
K
J
I
respect
what
you're
saying
I
understand,
but
I
want
to
say
that
this
item
is
more
than
just
the
ro
plan.
This
is
really
how
we're
operating
our
utilities,
including
our
wastewater
treatment
facility,
so
no
matter
what
we
do
with
the
ro
facility
in
the
future.
We
do
need
to
have
control
systems
in
place
and
those
sorts
of
things,
so
this
is
really
being
responsive
to
the
world
as
it
evolves.
L
J
I
don't
think
it
necessarily
ties
into
decisions
made
on
the
construction
or
design
of
the
ro
facility,
but
certainly
can
follow
up
with
those
items
of
your
interest
and
well.
K
You
know,
for
example,
we
hired
the
two
individuals
as
in
last
year's
budget,
and
that
was
supposed
to
help
with
the
24-hour
monitoring
real-time
monitoring.
That
would
help
us
with
cyber
security
and
things
and
and
you're
right.
This
is
more
than
just
the
ro
plant,
but
there
is
that
specific
item
in
the
in
the
arpa
project
request
for
the
two
million
dollar
cyber
security
request
for
this
the
oral
plan.
So
I
just
wanted
to
tie
the
two
together
sure.
Thank
you.
E
I
had
a
question
for
mark.
I
called
him
earlier
today
about
this.
The
city
did
hire
a
cyber
security
expert
to
be
on
staff
of
some
sort.
Paying
close
to
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
is.
Is
this
person
going
to
be
involved
with
any
of
this
that's
being
done
or
how
is
that
going
to
be
tied
in
with
the
situation
moving
forward.
J
Yeah,
I'm
probably
stepping
into
it's
area
a
little
bit,
but
I
think
I
know
enough
about
it
to
answer
that
position
I
think,
is
primarily
focused
over
on
the
public
safety
side.
That's
the
main
duties
that
they're
doing
we're
really
looking
at
focusing
on
utilities
here
that
portion
of
the
system.
So
that's
what
this
all
has
to
do
with
this
item,
in
particular,.
E
A
E
Okay,
I
understand
cyber
security
is
a
high
risk
so
that
this
goes
until
may
or
may
of
23.
Are
we
expecting
a
renewal
after
that
that
they
would
have
some
type
of
pullback
on
an
expense,
or
is
just
something
that
we
have
to
look
at
now
moving
forward?
And
then
we
could
talk
offline
about
this
further
I'd
like
to
learn
more
about
that
as
well
too.
J
Yeah,
so
to
answer
your
question:
we
have
this
contract.
It's
it's
really
perpetual.
It's
been
for
many
years,
there's
an
ongoing
instrumentation
and
control
expertise
whenever
we're
making
changes
to
our
control
systems.
There's
program
changes.
So
that's
that's
ongoing.
What
we're
asking
here
tonight
is
to
add
this
95
000
to
do
this
specialized
study,
okay
or
master
plan,
and
as
a
result
of
that
cyber
security
audit.
E
Okay,
I
mean
I,
I
know
the
answer,
but
how
disastrous
would
it
be
if
our
waste
water
plant
went
down
for
the
city
it
would,
it
would
be
disastrous,
maybe
a
trouble
right.
I
mean
it'd,
be
worse
than
the
water
plant
going
down
because
with
a
redundancy
with
the
water
plant
for
the
water
to
come
through
that.
J
E
O
Yeah,
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
for
bringing
it
forward.
I
know
time
flies
and
I
couldn't
give
you
an
exact
date
of
when
the
old
smart
hack
occurred,
but
certainly
since
then
cyber
security
has
been
on
the
minds
of
all
these
municipalities
around
here.
So
I
want
to
thank
you
for
bringing
it
forward
and
whatever
it
takes
to
get
that
straightened
out.
O
J
D
O
Did
yeah?
Thank
you
so
much,
I'm
so
glad
I
called
because
I
was
not
going
to.
I
was
not
going
to
worry
about
that
until
I
did
so
yeah.
Thank
you
all
right.
You're
welcome.
G
G
Q
F
E
J
J
By
way
of
background
on
december
3rd
2019,
the
board
approved
the
award
of
the
golf
course
ground
maintenance
services
contract.
As
you
know,
this
was
prior
to
the
covid
supply
chain
and
inflationary
pressures
that
we're
seeing
now
down
to
earth
landscapes,
who
was
awarded
the
contract
provided
the
city
with
a
letter
on
december
8
2021
requesting
a
contract
adjustment.
J
What
they
requested
was
a
five
percent
increase
to
the
annual
maintenance
contract
amount
city
staff
reviewed
the
request
and
the
documentation
provided
staff
independently,
confirmed
area.
Golf
courses
are
also
experiencing
cost
increases,
ranging
from
5
to
20
percent
for
their
labor
and
maintenance
supplies.
J
E
Thank
you.
Do
you
have
any
public
comments
on
this
item?
Seeing
none
do
we
have
a
motion
on
the
board
motion.
K
I
just
I
just
just
a
quick
question
from
a
quick
question.
The
the
the
second
and
third
year
is
january
december
as
well.
Is
that
what
you
is
that
the
annual
cycle
of
the
contract?
Okay,
not
our
fiscal
year
october,
to
october.
E
Paul
just
real
quick,
a
quick
question
about
the
golf
courses:
enterprise
fund.
That's
able
to
sustain
this
cost
increase
correct.
Yes,
it
is
thank
you
and
then
we
also
saw
some
fees
to
play
we'll
be
increasing
later
this
year,
too.
J
It
really
is,
and
I
think
that
there's
no
reason
not
to
think
it'll
continue.
I
think,
with
the
you
know,
market
rate
adjustment
that
we
made
and
continued
good
performance
by
the
contractor.
I
think
we
can
expect
additional
high
levels
of
play.
E
R
Fumbling
with
technology
good
evening,
vice
mayor
and
commissioners
here
tonight,
to
give
you
an
update
on
two
things:
really
one
is
the
fault,
19
and
mirs
boulevard,
intersection
analysis
and
the
results
of
that,
as
well
as
where
we
are
with
the
development
of
concepts
and
alternatives
for
the
distant
corridor
associated
with
the
complete
streets
grant
that
the
city
received.
So
I
want
to
stress
to
the
public
nothing's
being
decided
tonight.
R
So
this
is
a
given
update
to
the
board,
introduce
the
concepts
and
alternatives
kind
of
as
they
are
now,
and
then
we
will
be
going
back
to
the
public
for
additional
public
input
and
workshops.
So
with
that
I'll
introduce
jared
schneider
with
kimberly
horn
to
give
you
an
update,
and
you
know
how
to
work.
This
thing.
Q
Good
evening
jared
schneider
with
kimberly
horner
associates
thanks
again
for
having
us
tonight.
I
lead
our
planning
team
here
in
pinellas
county
also
with
me
tonight.
I've
got
james
taylor,
one
of
our
traffic
engineering
experts,
statewide
experts
renee,
did
a
good
job
of
teeing
this
up
tonight.
Q
What
we're
going
to
do
is
I
thought
it
would
be
helpful
to
focus
in
on
on
all
19
first,
so
we're
going
to
give
you
kind
of
a
high
level
update
as
rene
mentioned
these,
these
concepts
are,
are
really
going
to
be
going
back
out
to
the
public
in
march.
26
and
there'll
be
other
opportunities
as
well
with
a
online
survey,
but
really
we
thought
it'd
be
good
to
kind
of
dive
in
all
19.
The
board
talked
asked
us
to
look
at
that
from
a
traffic
operational
side,
so
for
three
parts.
Q
Second,
the
second
part
we'll
get
into
distance
talk
about
the
traffic
operations
on
distance
and
then
finish
off
with
the
concepts
and
again
talk
about
future
opportunities
for
the
public.
So
that's
really
kind
of
the
game
plan.
We've
got
a
lot
of
material,
we're
going
to
go
through
it
pretty
quickly.
Just
stop
us
if
you
have
any
questions,
so
I'm
going
to
introduce,
have
james
come
up
and
talk
about
alt
19.
T
Good
evening,
as
as
jared
mentioned,
I'm
james
taylor
with
killer
horn
associates
I'm
the
traffic
engineer
that
you
know,
I'm
the
the
brains
behind
all
the
pretty
pictures
you're
going
to
see
later
on
that
the
concepts
it's
important,
that
we
kind
of
get
a
perspective
on
what
the
congestion
levels
are,
what
we
anticipate
before
we
dive
into
jared's
brilliance,
with
with
the
concepts
that
you'll
see
tonight.
T
So
the
the
first
thing
we'll
go
through
is
some
of
the
results
from
the
alternative,
us19
operational
study
that
we
were
asked
to
do
kind
of
in
coordination
with
the
distant
avenue
study,
so
that
we
can
determine
how
that
parallel
facility
to
a
distant
avenue
would
operate
with
or
without
that
being
in
place.
So
we
we
did
assume
going
forward
that
there
is
no
connection
on
distant
avenue
when
we're
looking
at
alternative
19
just
so
that
we
can
have
a
baseline
for
if
that
connection
ever
did
come
in
place
on
distance.
K
Mr
taylorman
vice
mayor
carr,
mr
snyder,
invited
us
to
ask
questions
as
we
go
along
with
you're
conducting
the
meeting.
Would
you
prefer
to
wait
till
the
end?
Yes,
okay.
Thank
you.
T
T
T
We
looked
at
existing
conditions
and
then
we
looked
at
a
condition
where
the
existing
traffic
counts,
plus
the
redevelopment
of
the
manatee
village
shopping
center.
On
top
of
that,
for
some
perspective
of
what
that
center
looks
like
reactivated,
it
should
add
somewhere
between
you
know
in
the
ballpark
of
4000,
daily
trips,
100
or
less
than
100
am
peak
hour
trips
and
then
about
500
pm
peak
hour
trips.
T
T
We
concluded
in
the
existing
condition
that
two
of
those
four
segments
on
alternative
19
are
actually
deficient
today
in
terms
of
capacity
exceeding
a
generalized
service
volume
adopted
by
the
mpo,
and
then,
once
you
add,
the
village
center
on
top
four
or
four
segments
are
actually
over
that
generalized
capacity
with
those
additional
trips.
No
segments
were
over
25
percent
on
on
top
of
that
adopted
capacity,
so
this
is
kind
of
a
table
that
is
showing
a
summary
of
that.
T
T
When
we
looked
at
the
intersection
capacity,
we
concluded
that
all
the
intersections
in
this
corridor
operate
at
an
overall
level
of
service
of
d
or
better
level
of
services,
kind
of
a
qualitative
measure
of
something
quant
that
we
can
quantify,
which
is
delay
per
vehicle
where
a
is
just
like
letter
grades
in
school.
A
is
good
and
f
is
failing.
D
is
more
or
less
our
adopted
standard
for
the
city
when
we
evaluate
intersections
and
how
they're
operating
today.
T
T
And
then
this
was
some
of
the
takeaways
from
the
analysis,
things
that
we
could
recommend
to
make.
This
corridor
operate
a
little
bit
better
than
it's
operating
today
with
and
without
the
reactivated
shopping
center.
So
the
table
shows
that
in
the
existing
condition
there
are
several
turn
lanes
that
are
capable
of
being
extended
today.
T
That
will
improve
corridor
operation
and
two
of
those
are
at
alt,
19
and
mirrors,
and
one
at
mlk
and
then
we're
showing
links
that
there
is
a
possibility
to
do
an
extension
with
and
then
or
without
the
shopping
center,
and
then
with
the
shopping
center.
Those
links
get
a
little
bit
longer
because
obviously
there's
a
little
bit
more
traffic
on
the
road.
T
T
T
T
We
looked
at
going
back
to
that
slide.
We
looked
at
both
a
no
build
scenario
if
the
connection
was
never
made
in
a
build
scenario.
If
the
connection
was
made,
we
looked
at
the
nine
intersections
that
you
see
in
front
of
you
for
that.
2.1
mile
corridor
and
then
the
following
roadway
segments.
T
The
conclusions
of
the
roadway
segment
analysis,
where,
as
follows
in
the
existing
condition,
there
are
segments
on
alt
us19
as
well
as
us19
that
are
above
capacity
today
in
the
opening
year.
2025
the
same
segments
that
are
identified
in
the
existing
are
also
identified
in
the
opening
year,
with
a
little
bit
further
advancement
on
how
much
the
delay
is.
But
no
new
segments
are
over
capacity
and
then
once
we
connect
the
distant
avenue
missing,
link
you'll
see
that
some
of
the
traffic
does
divert
from
those
two
parallel
capacities:
alt
19
in
u.s
19.
T
T
That's
more
of
a
continuation
of
of
what
I
just
identified
for
the
intersections
we
looked
at
like
we
did
for
the
alt
us19
study.
We
also
looked
at
intersection
capacity
only
in
the
year
2025,
because
if
we
look
too
far
out
with
intersection
analysis,
the
cone
of
certainty
kind
of
gets
away
from
us.
So
we
we
didn't
go
all
the
way
out
to
2045
to
do
intersection
volumes.
But
we
we
identified
in
the
no
build
scenario
that
actually
all
the
intersections
today
are
operating
relatively
well
with
level
of
service
d
or
better.
T
In
the
build
scenario,
we
are
finding
that,
once
traffic
loads
to
distant
avenue,
there
is
one
intersection
that
we
identified
as
a
failing
intersection
and
that's
up
at
distant
avenue
and
tarpon
avenue
and
that's
an
intersection
that
could
warrant
the
signals
at
some
point
in
the
future,
but
maybe
wouldn't
be
one
that
would
be
recommended
due
to
the
relatively
low
approach
volume
at
that
intersection.
So,
overall
most
of
the
traffic
doesn't
have
to
stop.
You
know
east-west,
but
as
you
go
northbound
on
distant
avenue,
you
approach
tarpon.
T
T
Q
Thanks
james
yeah,
so
to
walk
through
the
the
concepts
and
some
of
this
was
presented
in
december,
we
had
our
first
workshop
as
well
as
a
walk.
What
we
call
a
walk
audit
in
november
2021
with
with
the
community,
so
showed
some
of
this
preliminarily
and
we've
started
to
take
this
a
bit
further
and
we'll
be
presenting
this
again
march
26th.
Q
Excellent,
I
didn't
want
to,
I
didn't,
want
to
break
it,
and
then
we
obviously
have
the
gap
here.
Segment
b's
from
north
of
the
gap
up
to
just
around
tarpon
and
then
tarpon
till
I
vote.
So,
as
james
said,
we
looked
at
a
full
2.1
mile
section
here
and
really
started
to
look
at
different
concepts
that
could
be
done
in
the
short
term
as
well
as
long
term.
Q
So
this
I
already
talked
to
you
about.
We
had
a
neighborhood
walk
audit.
We
had
a
community
workshop
held
here
december
9th
talked
about
some
of
these
concepts
from
a
higher
level,
and
then
we
went
into
you
know
talking
about
again
refining
and
talking
about
these
further.
We
had
a
number,
I
want
to
say
around
60
70
people
here,
so
that
was
really
good.
Going
to
turn
out
many
of
the
the
folks
that
turned
out.
We
had
some
from
union
academy.
Q
So,
let's
start
with
segment
a
real
fast,
really,
there's
there's
some
things.
We
we
feel
that
could
be
done
from
the
short
term
and
we've
really
split
this
into
kind
of
five
buckets
things
that
can
be
done
on
the
roadway
between
the
curb
to
curb
the
curb.
What
are
some
things
outside
the
curbs
today,
such
as
sidewalks,
and
then
what
are
some
traffic
calming
elements?
Q
And
then
you
know
james
hit
on
this
quite
a
bit
congestion,
safety
issues,
most
injuries
and
fatalities
happen
at
intersections,
so
we
look
at
intersections
as
well,
and
then
we
had
some
corridor
wide
recommendations.
Really
what
we
took
away
from
this
and
in
walking
this
stretch
with
the
community
was
was
the
speed.
So
how
do
we
slow
speed
down?
What
are
some
things
we
could
do
in
the
short
term
from
traffic
calming
standpoint,
so
we
talked
about
speed.
Humps,
stop
controlling
some
intersections.
Q
Looking
at
intersection
improvements
at
klostermann,
ivy
lane,
curly,
placen
and
woodhill
drive
woods
at
anderson
definitely
expressed
the
concern.
If
a
connection
was
to
go
through
here
that
this
would
become
more
of
a
blow
through
and
and
we'll
get
into
that
in
the
next
segment.
We
felt
there's
ways
you
could.
If
the
roadway
connection
was
done,
there's
ways
you
could
design
that
definitely
88
compliance
was
another
one,
and
then
we
heard
the
cut
loot
or
the
cut
through
traffic
on
curly
place
was
a
concern.
Q
Pass
commission
meetings
is
really
the
safety
concern
with
the
connection
of
mirrors
and
obviously,
as
mango,
is
extended
and
constructed
to
us
19
and
completed
so
yeah
big
concerns
there
really
looking
at
that
intersection
of
mirrors.
So
we
talked
about
a
number
of
options,
whether
you
could
kind
of
tame
that
intersection
do
a
roundabout,
bring
the
curb
in
to
slow
speeds
down
narrowing
the
lane
in
there
to
really
discourage
speeding.
Q
Sidewalk
concerns
with
the
kids
walking
around
to
cuffs
kids
was
was
a
big
concern
and
one
we
saw
with
the
community
so
filling
in
some
of
those
gaps,
particularly
on
the
west
side
and
creating
mid-block
crossings,
and
I
know
the
city
staff's
already
looking
at
some
of
those.
Those
are
some
short-term
things
that
can
be
done
now,
so
really
talking
about
again
short-term
and
long-term
improvements,
as
we
work
our
way
up
from
tarpon
to
live
oak,
some
similarities
here
a
little
bit.
There
were
some
concerns
that
we
we
walked
with
the
union
academy.
Q
Similarly,
others
we
talked
about
sidewalk
gaps
as
well
as
restriping
repaving.
Lighting
too,
is
another
one.
It's
pretty
dark
out
there
so
again,
a
mixture
of
things
that
we
thought
could
be
done
in
the
short
term,
like
some
of
those
sidewalk
gaps
and
intersection
improvements,
particularly
on
this
section.
Q
So
we
skipped
around
a
little
bit
and
to
go
back
into
the
the
gap
section.
What
we're
showing
here
and
and
this
graphic
on
the
right
is
mislabeled.
What
what
should
say
is
really
we
looked
at
three
alternatives.
There's
there's
always
a
no
build
scenario
and
this
gap's
been
talked
about
for
for
a
while
right.
It's
it's
been
the
comprehensive
plan
since
the
90s.
It
was
actually
that
north-south
connection
was
actually
planted
in
1911
and
was
not
pushed
through
at
that
point,
but
yeah.
Q
So
there's
three
alternatives
really
could
do
the
no
build
scenario,
alternative
two
and
three
or
alternate
two
is
a
multi-use
trail?
You
could
look
at
that
connection.
We
did
hear
some
that
talked
about
wanting
mobility,
north
and
south
alternative
three
is
the
new
roadway
connection
to
give
mobility
and
connections,
and,
and
so
what
this
graphic
on
the
right
is
showing
in
that
hashing
could
be
applied
for
alternative
to
the
multi-use
trail
or
all
three.
For
the
new
roadway
connection
and
I'll
say
this:
this
is
really.
This
has
not
been
fully
vetted.
Q
This
is
high
level
concepts
that
we're
looking
at
obviously
require
a
pde
or
design
phase.
But
what
we're
starting
to
show
is
what
are
some
of
the
possibilities
and-
and
I
think,
as
a
staff,
what
we
would
be
concerned
about
is,
if
you
did
any
kind
of
roadway
connection
for
all
three,
you
start
to
create
a
shot
put
if
you
go
north
south.
Q
So
what
we're
trying
to
show
here
is
how
you
could,
and
some
members
in
the
december
meeting,
talked
about
how
you
could
almost
connect
here
at
sugar
hill,
and
we,
we
talked
with
duke
too
go
under
the
power
lines
and
create
a
deflection
or
diversion
to
really
start
to
slow
the
speed
down.
Not
have
this
shotgun
approach
so
really
kind
of
creating
a
connection
here,
and
you
know
some
folks
mentioned
the
levis
connection.
Q
So
again,
this
is
conceptual
and
we
felt
those
could
also
be
options
if
you
were
to
just
do
the
trail
connection,
any
one
of
these
connections-
and
you
know-
maybe
it's
even
something
like
like
this-
but
yeah-
really
trying
to
get
away
from
having
something
like
this.
That
continues
the
speeds.
Obviously,
as
you
have
mirrors
so
any
roadway
connection,
we'd
like
to
see
more
of
a
dog
leg
or
some
other
type
of
intersection
treatment.
Q
Q
This
is
a
little
harder
see,
but
this
is
what
a
multi-use
trail
connection
could
look
like
and
again
we're
just
showing
options
in
other
areas
where
it's
been
done
and
and
there's
a
number
of
different
treatments.
So
I'll
focus
you
on
you
know
you
could
do
something
like
this,
which
could
also
have
emergency
access
in
when
needed,
with
bollards
at
the
end
of
the
trail.
That's
that's
been
done
in
some
locations.
Q
This
is
a
little
bit
more
expensive,
obviously,
as
you
get
into
kind
of
a
boardwalk
setup,
but
that's
been
been
done
elsewhere.
So
a
couple
couple
different
options
in
there
and
we're
going
to
continue
to
look
at
this
cost
at
some
high
level
planning
costs
that
we're
putting
together
so
again,
all
three
the
the
roadway
connection.
Q
If
that
would
be
done,
if
that
was
to
be
pursued,
what
again,
we
would
say
is
really
design
a
roadway
for
the
speed
you
want,
and
so
many
roadways
when
you
look
at
the
south
side
of
distant
right
now
from
klosterman,
it's
it's
posted
30,
but
I
feel
comfortable
going
much
faster.
I
think
a
lot
of
people
say
that,
especially
with
the
topography
so
more
and
more,
what
we're
trying
to
do
with
complete
streets
is
design
the
roadway
match
the
posted
speed
with
what
what
our
desired
speed
is.
Q
You
know,
medians
landscaping
on
the
edge
to
create
this.
This
feel
of
an
edge
that
you,
you
can't
go
40
miles
an
hour.
You
know
breaking
up
long
straight
distances
is,
is
key
anytime!
You
like,
if
you
remove
this
tree
here,
for
example,
and
you
just
had
a
bunch
of
a
bunch
of
pavement,
you
feel
you
can
go
fast.
Q
Q
We
also
have
we'll
have
an
online
survey
going
and
I
believe
city
staff
is
going
to
be
doing
a
number
of
other
things
to
really
get
the
word
out
and
want
to
really
have
a
pretty
robust
conversation
march
26
to
talk
about
these
concepts,
further
we'll
refine
from
there
and
then
bring
the
concepts
back
to
city,
commission
and
and
then
finalize
this.
This
planning
study
for
the
the
ford
pinellas
grant
requirements.
E
Thanks
we're
going
to
board
questions
and
we're
going
to
wait
for
the
discussion
after
the
public
comment,
so
we'll
go
to
questions
now
for
the
board
to
jared
and
do
we
have
any
questions
from
the
board
right
now.
O
Yeah,
thank
you
for
the
presentation.
Thank
you
for
the
work
you've
done
so
far
on
this
really.
I
want
to
get
a
better
gauge
of
what
the
next
steps
are,
and
I
know
I
see
them
up
there,
but
when
you
say
bring
concepts
back
to
city
commission,
do
you
have
a
timeline
on
that
from
march
26
and
then
for
the
actual
complete
streets
concept
plan?
Can
you
give
us
a
better
idea
of
what
that
will
actually
look
like
and
what
we
can
take
from
it.
Q
Sure
sure,
and-
and
let
me
let
city
staff
correct
me
here
if
I'm
wrong,
but
really
our
thought
was
to
come
back
in
april
may
time
frame
to
the
city
commission
present
everything
that
we've
heard
thus
far
from
the
community
as
well
as
march
26th.
Q
You
know,
really
what
we'd
like
to
do
is
have
a
preferred
option.
Obviously,
whether
you
make
that
connection
or
not,
but
we're
we'll
clearly
present
what
we,
what
we
hear
and
give
you
our
recommendations.
So
really
what
we'll
do
is
lay
out
those
three
concepts
in
more
detail
for
you
all
and
kind
of
talk
about
the
the
pros
and
cons
when
we
come
back.
O
Okay
and
as
far
as
the
pedestrian
safety
goes,
I
know
you
guys
did
the
walk
through
and
identified
some
possible
mid
block,
crosswalk
stuff.
We
actually,
since
I've
been
on
the
board,
we
added
that
mid
block
crosswalk
in
front
of
cops
and
kids
that
connected
to
like
the
tennis
courts
and
their
other
building
is.
Q
Q
So
there's
and
that's
you
know
back
to
the
first
question
too:
that's
where
what
the
plan
will
lay
out
is
here's
some
things
we
think
are
some
really
quick
wins
we
like
to
calm
and
and
those
mid-block
crossings,
and
the
intersections
too
are
key,
and
I
know
miss
dabbs
spoke
earlier
and
we
walked
and
stood
at
that
that
intersection
a
lot
of
us
did
so
those
are
the
type
of
things
do
those
earlier
and
sooner
so
we
we
feel,
like
there's
lots
of
things
that
you
could
do
like
that,
and
sometimes
it's
as
simple
as
just
we
heard
some
folks
mention
maintenance
was
a
problem
not
being
able
to
see
around
a
corner.
Q
O
K
Thanks
for
the
presentation,
I
really
always
appreciate
hearing
from
you
as
far
as
the
distant
corridor
and
the
intersections,
especially
the
the
one
thing
I
get.
A
sense
of
looking
at
things
quantitatively
from
you
know
from
your
perspective,
is
a
little
different
than
looking
at
it
qualitative
qualitatively
sitting
in
a
driver's
seat
trying
to
get
through
some
of
these
intersections.
You
kind
of
want
to
scratch
your
head.
I
said
where
these
numbers
coming
from
and
do
they
really
reflect
reality?
K
I've
got
some.
I've
just
got
a
whole
list
of
questions,
but
I'm
going
to
kind
of
try
and
get
with
you
separately.
If
I
could
to
get
some
clarification
on
these
because
I
don't
I
know
this
is
just
an
update
and
everything,
but
I
do
have
some
questions
because
I
see
some
some
things
that
don't
look
quite
right
to
me.
For
example
the
and
I
don't
need
answers,
but
just
an
observation
as
far
as
the
performance
of
the
intersections
and
and
whether
it's
just
north
south
east
west,
and
how
do
you?
K
How
do
you
determine
whether
it's
functional?
Do
you
look
at
all
four
directions
or
just
take
the
best
and
go
with
that,
or
do
you
average
them
out
so
we'll
we'll
get
to
that
offline
separately?
The
the
on
the
distant
avenue
corridor
study
it
it's
you're
kind
of
reaffirming
what
I
I
kind
of
see
as
far
as
your
original
presentation,
with
the
preliminary
results,
you
know
looking
at
it
with
the
no
build
the
build
2025
and
the
bill
2045.
K
I
I
just
don't
see
what
the
real
improvements
are
going
to
be
on
this
commute
time
on
u.s
19
and
alternate
19..
I
know
I
think
mr
taylor
mentioned
that
something
falls
off,
but
I
was
looking
at
that.
I
I
I
see
that
one
one
one
segment
falls
off
a
little
bit,
but
I
didn't
see
really
what
the
measures
of
performance
would
be.
K
My
own
personal
philosophy
on
this
thing
is
I'm
real,
I'm
really
having
heartburn
with
the
city,
accepting
the
burden
of
responsibility
for
trying
to
improve
traffic
on
state
roads
by
sending
it
through
residential
roads
and
and
I'm
not
really
ready
to
buy
off
on
something
like
that.
So
I
don't
know
what
can
be
done
on
us
19
or
alternate
19.
K
Q
K
Yeah
on
alternate
on
yeah
and
and
that's
really
unfortunate,
and
I
I
think
we
need
to
kind
of
change
that
a
little
bit
before
we
start
pursuing
something-
and
this
is
an
r
nickel.
I
know
there's
grant
money
involved
and
everything,
but
still
I
I,
whether
it's,
for
example,
the
the
one
large
apartment
complex
that
was
approved,
it
kind
of
gave
fdot
a
pass
on
that
when
we
approved
this
big
project
without
really
expecting
anything
for
them
to
do.
We
go
from
four
lanes
to
three
lanes
right
after
tarpon
avenue.
Q
I
mean
james
can
probably
jump
in
here
as
well.
I
think
what
we've
seen
are
certain
segments
of
all
19
will
perform
better
the
local
network
like
curlew
considerably
better,
because
that's
today,
the
pass
through
traffic,
so
what
you're
doing
is
distributing
traffic
and
creating
more
of
a
more
of
a
grid
network.
So
there's
there's
some
improvement
there
I
mean,
like
you,
said
from
the
benefit.
I
don't
think
the
connection
of
distant
would
ever
function
as
a
reliever
completely
for
19
or
all
19
and
from
a
travel
time
perspective.
It
just
allows
more
redundancy
right.
K
T
Sure
so
I'll
start
there
and
work
backwards.
The
one
deficiency
that
was
apparent
in
the
build
scenario
that
wasn't
there
in
the
no
build
scenario
was
the
northbound
approach
at
distant
and
tarpon
avenue.
So
obviously
you
alluded
to
taking
state
volumes
and
putting
it
putting
them
on
a
local
road.
I
think
the
way
I
would
think
of
it
as
there's
local
traffic
occurring
on
the
state
road,
because
there
is
no
local
road
for
that
traffic
to
otherwise
occur.
T
So
if
distant
was
a
connect,
all
the
way
up
to
live
oak,
then
some
of
that
local
traffic,
that's
currently
on
the
two
parallel
facilities
that
are
state
facilities,
may
stay
local
on
distant
avenue,
but
that
would
impart
more
delay
at
that
northbound
approach
at
tarpon
avenue
and
consequently
that's
one
of
the
intersections
that
we
saw
a
lot
of
pedestrian
avenue
our
pedestrian
traffic
as
well.
So
it
seems
like
something
needs
to
be
done
at
that
intersection
with
or
without
distant
avenue,
and
maybe
a
signal
and
or
a
two-way
stop
or
four-way.
T
Stop
control
because
currently
is
two-way.
Stock
control
would
would
be
a
solution
at
that
intersection
for
quantitative
measure
of
what
we're
talking
about.
We
have
these
things
that
we
use
in
transportation
planning
for
public
consumption
called
level
service,
and
that
only
takes
you
so
far.
What
I
typically
like
to
do
when
you
really
want
to
dig
down
to
quantify
something,
is
you
look
at
volume
to
capacity
ratio
so
if,
if
anything
above
one
is
exceeding
capacity,
how
much
further
are
we
going
above
capacity,
so
in
2045.
T
There's
segments
of
alt
us
19
that
are
above
30
of
capacity
with
distant
avenue
and
keeping
those
local
trips
local.
You
see,
the
same
number
of
segments
are
over
capacity.
So
that's
why
it's
kind
of
hard
to
quantify
in
terms
of
just
talking
about
segment
segment,
but
overall,
the
level
service
or
the
the
volume
to
capacity
ratio
drops
below
like
a
1.2
for
any
one
segment.
G
K
T
Not
a
cutoff
at
all.
It
was
just
an
observation
that
in
the
al,
the
alt
us
19
that
you're
referring
to.
If
that
shopping
center
develops
out
that
nothing
goes
above
1.25,
it
wasn't
really
cut
off.
It
was
just
an
observation
that
nothing.
K
K
Now,
f
is
okay,
but
anything
worse
than
f
may
be
a
problem,
and
I
see
now
the
volume
capacity
ratio
of
one
which
there's
a
reason
for
that,
and
I'm
not
I'm
not
saying
that
you're
part
of
this,
because
now
I
see
125
is
okay,
but
then
we
say
well,
130
is
not
good,
but
it
drops
down
below
125,
which
makes
it
okay.
So
I
don't
see
what
the
physical
you
know,
what
the
the
the
physical
condition
would
be
to
say.
Okay,
125
percent
is
okay,
but
130
percent
is
not.
I
think
anything
above
one.
K
The
volume
capacity
ratio
is
not
good
for
a
local
street,
and
that's
I
mean
we
have
to
have
a
goal
that
we
we
you
know
shoot
for
and
something
that
exceeds
volume
capacity
ratio.
I
don't
think,
is
an
acceptable
goal.
I
mean
realistically,
it
may
not
be
achievable,
but
at
least
we
have
to
have
a
goal.
So
I
understand,
but
you
also
use
the
model
in
the
preliminary
analysis.
I
forgot
what
it's
fdot's
model
I
think
for
and-
and
you
did
not
use
that
or
did
you
use
that
as
part
of
this
as
well.
T
Yeah
we
we
continued
that
the
the
expansion
of
that
part
a
that
you
saw
where
we
were
just
looking
high
level
roadway
capacity
with
the
vol
with
the
model
volume
we
did
that
this
time
as
well,
but
then,
with
the
added
benefit
of
newer
and
better
traffic
counts,
and
then
we
dived
into
pedestrian
volumes
as
well
as
intersection
volumes
that
that's
the
added
value
for
this
study.
Yeah.
The
back
to
your
point
about
you
know,
level.
Service,
pinellas
county
is
one
of
the
counties
that
has
kind
of
done
away.
T
With
evaluating
a
lot
of
things
with
level
of
service,
I
mean
they're
in
urban
environments,
we've
kind
of
said.
Well,
let's,
let's
start
thinking
so
much
about
auto
centric,
you
know
way
of
thinking.
Let's
shift
more
to
mobility,
so
they're,
looking
especially
at
places
where
you
can't
widen
the
roads
anymore.
How
do
we
get
a
safer
pedestrian
environment,
more
bicycles,
on
the
road,
so
that
we're
trying
to
look
at
that
as
well?
All
this
is
a
balance.
Obviously
I
know.
K
There's
some
real
smart
people
that
do
this,
but
it's
almost
like
lifting
up
the
edge
of
a
rug
and
sweeping
the
dirt
under
it
and
saying
now
it's
okay.
I
understand,
but
I
mean
we
also
are
an
old
town
and
there's
a
limit
to
what
we
can
do
as
far
as
the
width
of
right
of
ways
we're
not
a
new
town
like
east
lake
in
those
areas
where
they
can
plot
something
out
to
take
into
account
future
expansion.
K
So
we're
we're
kind
of
fixed
in
that
regard,
and
I
just
a
little
concerned
about
again
the
city
doing
something
to
a
residential
street
to
put,
as
you
say,
local
traffic
through
that,
but
then
the
fdo
and
then
fdot.
Basically,
I
don't
want
to
call
it
benefits
from
that,
but
the
local
traffic's
always
been
on
alternate
19
and
us-19.
K
Anyway.
There
was
one
other
question.
I
I
I
it
wasn't
a
question
observation.
I
really
appreciate
the
improvements
that
y'all
are
suggesting
for
the
for
the
intersections
and
things
like
that,
the
walkability
and
that
gets
back
to
what
you're
saying
the
the
parking
along.
I
wish
I
could
remember
it's
the
entrance
to
the
woods
at
anderson
park.
One
of
the
recommendations
was
putting
parking
near
that
would
woodlawn
wood
mill.
Is
that
correct
what
he'll
drive
correct?
Why
why
put
parking?
I
mean
I
just
saw
that
yeah
that.
Q
Q
So
it
was
just
a
comment
made
by
some
of
the
the
the
community.
You
could
have
some
kind
of.
I
don't
want
to
call
long-term
parking.
Q
Q
That's
where
our
recommendation
would
be
to
design
it
in
a
way
that
they
it's
pretty
much
a
turn
lane
anyway,
where
it
jets
off
to
the
north,
and
you
know
you
have
an
east-west,
and
that
was
something
that
duke
talked
about
quite
a
bit
as
well,
when
we,
when
we
mentioned
these
concepts
to
them,
they
mentioned
really
having
a
shorter
angle
of
deflection.
So
not
going
you.
K
Q
K
K
Q
We
haven't
totally
discussed
this
at
this
point,
but
what
I'd
like
for
us
to
do
is
really
report
out
and
you
know,
be
transparent.
Well,
we
heard
from
the
community
on
both
sides.
If
there's
not
any
one
alternative.
Obviously
we
want
to
leave
the
city
with
a
direction
and
move
forward
in,
but
we're
going
to
be
open
and
transparent
with
what
we
hear
yeah
and
and
give
you
our
recommendations.
K
No
that's
important
when
we
went
to
some
of
the
political
forums,
especially
at
the
woods
at
anderson
park,
is
pretty
much
focused
on
on
this
project.
So
it's
extremely
important
to
the
residents.
Q
These
connections-
these
are
always
tough
right.
When
you
have
a
new
alignment,
I
think
the
thing
we've
been
trying
to
make
clear
is,
and
we
just
talked
about
it
a
little
bit.
There's
some
short-term
things
do
it
now.
I
think
we
have
a
lot
of
consensus
on
some
of
those
safety
measures
and
traffic
calming
concerns,
and
so
that's
that's
where
we've
really
been
trying
to
talk
about
this.
This
whole
corridor,
not
just
this
quarter-mile
piece
right
here,
yeah.
K
Q
E
Thanks
I've
got
a
couple
questions
along
ultra19,
so
when
it
talks
about
above
capacity,
there's
two
intersections
today
with
manatee
village
reactivated
there's
all
four
intersections
are
above
capacity,
then
at
that
point,
what
does
above
capacity
mean
you're
sitting.
Ultimately,
it's
sitting
in
traffic
right.
Q
Q
That
that's
always
been
a
debate,
but
we're
looking
at
got
to
remember
we're
looking
at
the
pm
worst
condition,
I
once
had
somebody
I'm
just
going
to
go
off
on
a
quick
little
diversion.
I
used
to
have
somebody
talk
to
me
about
it.
This
way,
it's
it's
like
it's!
Q
It's
a
balance,
we're
trying
to
strike,
but
it's
like
when
you
go
to
your
your
break
room
at
work
and-
and
you
got
the
one
and
everybody's
there
for
lunch,
and
you
got
one
microwave
and
then
so
should
we
go
ahead
and
design
everything
to
have
six
ten
microwaves
for
lunch
so
that
everybody
can
can
kind
of
you
know
eat
all
I
want
to
anyway,
that's
kind
of
that's
kind
of
what
we're
trying
to
balance,
but
it's
that
how
what's
the
duration
of
congestion?
How?
How
long
are
you?
Q
T
Okay,
so
I
think
you're
referring
to
this
slide.
Mr
vice
mayor,
this
is
a
roadway
segment
capacity.
You
said
intersection
roadway
segments.
We
we
define
what
the
capacity
is
on
this
kind
of
generalized
peak
volume,
where
things
start
to
break
down
in
the
system
and
the
operations
aren't
working
very
well
and
that's
more
or
less
capacity
for
these
roadways.
T
Once
you
get
to
a
volume
of
about
880
vehicles
per
hour,
the
roadway
isn't
functioning
very
well
anymore
in
the
existing
condition.
Two
of
the
four
segments
are
above
and
past
that
point
today
and
with
the
shopping
center,
it
would
take
the
two
additional
segments
above
and
beyond
that
point
now
these
are
generalized
capacities.
T
You
really
need
to
take
a
deeper
dive
and
that's
why
we
also
did
an
intersection
capacity
analysis
and
that's
where
we
came
up
with
the
recommended
recommendations
about
where
turn
lane
enhancements
can
actually
improve
operations
to
get
the
turns
out
of
the
way
of
the
truth,
the
through
trips.
It's
it's
a
little
bit
of
a
challenge
in
this
quarter,
because
there's
a
lot
of
turn
lanes
that
you
can't
extend
any
further
because
they
bump
into
another
turn
lane.
T
E
T
T
Well,
it
it's
not
in
pinellas's
plans,
it's
not
in
dot's
plans
at
this
mo
at
this
moment.
This
might
be
the
beginning
of
a
conversation
about
that
to
the
extent
of
the
available
right-of-way
out
there.
I
think
it's
going
to
be
a
challenge.
It's
tight.
E
Right,
okay,
the
did
did
kovid
have
an
impact.
I
know
most
of
21.
I
stayed
home
and
worked
from
home.
Did
the
cove
to
have
an
impact
on
the
study
at
all.
T
So
we,
these
counts,
were
actually
conducted
in
september
of
2021,
where
things
were
kind
of
getting
back
to
normal
schools,
we're
almost
back
to
full
capacity.
We
did
compare
them
to
2019
pre-covet
counts
and
they
were
conservative,
believe
it
or
not.
So
we
we
went
with
them,
otherwise
we
would
revert
it
back
to
2019.
E
E
A
couple
short-term
items
you
guys
recommended
one
was
distant
avenue
and
tarpon
avenue
needed
some
type
of
attention.
That's
something
we
could
do
now
correct.
We
could
put
a
four-way
stop
and
based
on
a
traffic
study
or
something
along
those
lines
to
make
it
safer.
Pedestrians
am
I
understanding
that.
T
If
that's
the
right,
the
direction
that
the
city
would
want
to
take
it,
it
doesn't
benefit
that
many
folks,
because
today,
there's
not
a
lot
of
northbound
ad
tarpon
compared
to
the
east-west
volume.
So
if
we
didn't
actually
study
what
a
always
stop
would
look
like
there,
how
far
the
cues
would
build
back
and
would
it
build
into
other
driveways.
But
that's
the
sort
of
thing
that
you
would
want
to
look
at
before.
You
did
something
like
that.
Okay,.
E
The
question
for
alternative
three
that
was
presented
on
with
distant
was
that
for
a
trail
or
was
that
for
traffic
that
was
for
traffic,
correct.
E
Q
E
Q
E
Yeah
no,
I
thought
that
was
a
pretty
interesting
thought
process.
T
And
if
I
may
add
to
that,
I
I
think
the
way
that
we're
predicting
volumes
out
there
is
we're,
assuming
that
road
would
operate
at
30
miles
per
hour
or
less
okay,
where
it
may
not
be
doing
that.
If
you
just
build
in
the
quarter
mile
people
might
go
a
little
bit
faster
than
that,
so
that
that
was
how
we
got
to
the
volumes
we
got
to
with
that
fixed
30
mile
per
hour,
yeah
tarpon.
Q
To
build
on
that
too,
you
know
again,
these
are.
These
are
high
level
concepts
and
you
asked
about
the
what
the
end
goal
is.
Obviously
there
would
need
to
be
a
pde
study
on
those
kind
of
alignments,
so
we're
just
really
trying
to
look
at
it
and
how
does
the
community
feel
about
that?
How
it
is
even
possible,
so
that's
that's
something
where
the
end
game
would
be
some
added
study
on
something
like
that.
E
Was
there
anything
you
evaluated
to
say
like
when
you
get
to
mlk
on
distance,
it's
a
challenging
intersection
and
then
going
north
from
there?
I
don't,
I
can't
remember
the
next
road
name,
it
might
be
oak
wood
or
something
along
with
lines.
E
Looking
when
you're
sitting
on
oak
wood
going
across
distant
there's
a
line
inside
issue,
was
there
any
thought
process
or
anything
evaluated
to
say
you
can't
go
any
further
on
distant
north
past
mlk,
like
there'd,
be
a
one-way
coming
towards
mlk?
To
the
I
can't
remember
the
health
department
road.
Ultimately,
you
have
a
picture
of
the
diagram
where
there's
a
crosswalk
in
there.
I
can't
remember
the
name
of
the
road
has
that
was
that
concept
ever
evaluated
or
looked
at
at
all
as
a.
Q
Not
not
a
one-way,
we
we
felt,
we
really
felt.
That
section
is
pretty
pretty
narrow.
Those
are
nine
foot
really
pretty
narrow
lanes.
So
we
we
looked
at
keeping
the
kind
of
two-way
connections
with
the
residential
neighborhood
in
there
and
really
just
trying
to
to
address
the
sight
line
distances
and
the
intersections.
E
Okay
mark:
do
you
have
this
information
for
like
sidewalk
gaps
and
lighting
and
mid-block
crossings
that
we
could
look
at
for
fiscal
year
23.?
Is
that
something
you
have
in
hand
yeah.
A
We're
looking
at
all
the,
in
fact,
you
know
we're
not
only
looking
at
that,
but
we're
looking
at
some
things
with
our
police
team
and
with
planning
and
stuff
we're
looking
at
some
of
the
improvements
right
now
for
for
for
either
this
budget,
the
upcoming
budget.
So
so,
yes,
we've
got
an
individual
team
working,
no
matter
what
the
decision
on
these
crosswalk
safety
sidewalk.
So
we
already
got
a
city
team
working
on
those
now
and
we'll
probably
bring
that
together.
A
E
All
right,
thank
you.
I
have
a
couple
comments
that
we'll
have
during
board
discussion,
but
right
now
I
think
we're
going
to
we're
going
to
go
to
public
comments
on
his
items.
E
G
Apparently
595
peninsula
avenue-
let's
just
get
it
on
the
record,
for
the
fifth
or
sixth
time
we've
heard
and
from
the
consultants
we've
heard
that
the
new
board
or
the
new
candidates
for
office
they've
all
publicly
stated
on
the
record,
especially
at
the
woods
debate
that
no
one's
going
to
approve
or
want
to
push
through
distant
to
connect
the
gap
and
we're
wasting
our
time.
With
all
these
studies.
G
G
We
have
no
idea-
and
I
don't
appreciate
the
consultants
coming
up
here
and
saying
it's
just
a
local
traffic
going
down
belcher
and
distant.
No,
it's
not.
Those
are
pasconians.
Those
are
also
people
that
are
trying
to
jet
across
east
towards
trinity
and
east
lake
as
well.
So
you
can't
just
say
it's.
The
locals
going
down
through
there
and
alternate
19
is
wide
enough.
G
So
let's
get
it
on
the
record.
What
the
mirrors
all
that
property
cross
mirrors,
what
it
can
be
used
with
our
land
use
development
codes,
see
if
we
need
to
address
that
right
away
for
over
development
and
if
you
guys
think
10
15
minutes
is
bad
going
through
tarpon
ave
or
downtown
tarpon.
You
better
think
again
you
push
that
road
through
you
get
more
development
that
you've
ever
realized.
You
gentrify
an
historic
community
in
the
black
community
in
the
minority
community
and
you'll
get
more
traffic
than
you've
ever
seen.
G
G
G
I
had
taken
off
work
from
my
hospital
job
drove
from
riverview
and
it
was
yeah
like
the
mango
loop
side
of
tarpon
springs
doesn't
really
matter
now.
I
have
the
privilege
of
having
a
pretty
good
relationship
with
the
mayor.
I've
not
experienced
that
as
his
philosophy,
but
from
that
meeting
and
the
results
they
built
the
road.
G
G
H
G
G
G
M
M
It's
not
just
one
group.
It's
a
diverse
group
all
over
the
neighborhood
they
deserve
to
have
safety
features,
I'm
hoping
that
it
doesn't
take
too
long.
Maybe
it
might
be
one
of
those
short-term
programs
to
get
something
out
there
to
protect
our
children,
so
we
don't
have
to
say.
Oh
this
little
girl
or
this
little
boy
got
hit
because.
M
One
day
I
was
so
upset.
I
saw
this
great
big
wheeler,
I
don't
know
16
or
14
tires
heading
towards
us
19,
and
I
said
when
I
saw
him
coming.
I
was
sitting
in
my
driveway
and
I
got
up
and
went
on
the
porch
because
I
knew
he
wasn't
gonna
stop
for
that.
Stop
sign
right
there
by
mount
moriah
and
he
couldn't
see
the
traffic
coming
from
harrison.
N
I
think
when
all
19
and
19
are
backed
up,
it
makes
no
sense
to
take
the
distant
issue
and
it
the
extra
traffic,
is
just
going
to
flow
into
that
area
and
that'll
be
backed
up
it'll,
be
a
nightmare.
Trying
to
cross
mlk
it'd,
be
a
bigger
nightmare,
trying
to
cross
tarpon
avenue
it'll.
Just
you
know:
it'll
take
two
major
streets
that
have
traffic
into
three
major
streets:
that'll
have
traffic
and
while
doing
that,
putting
residents
at
risk,
I
think
most
of
the
tarpon
residents
that
go
through
the
traffic.
N
They
turn
on
klostermann
and
they
head
towards
florida
and
they
cut
across
florida
and
they
disperse
that
way.
So
who
would
we
be
opening
this
up
for,
but
people
that
are
north
of
us?
So
I
just
don't
see
that
we
should
be
putting
residents
at
risk
to
you
know,
make
the
traffic
move
a
little
quicker
for
people
that
are
heading
north
of
us
stay
on
19
I
mean
let
fdot
try
to
correct
you
know
or
expand
or
whatever
they
need
to
do
to
help
19
anytime
you
either
on
19
or
all
19.
N
N
N
People
would
be
making
a
left
and
there
would
be
a
huge
traffic
mess
by
dodecanese
and
live
oak.
If
you
make
the
right
you're
going
to
have
a
big
mess
again
on
19
in
live
oak,
so
I
just
don't
see
the
benefit
to
this
at
all.
I
am
pretty
much
dead
against
this,
so
I
just
wanted
to
go
on
record
like
to
let
you
know
that
all
eight
candidates
did
say
they
were
not
in
favor
of
this
at
all.
Thank
you.
E
K
I
move
to
accept
the
presentation,
if
that's,
what
is
that?
What
you're
looking
for
yes,
but
I
do
have
one
comment.
K
Two
points
I
wanted
to
clarify
one
senior
manager,
of
course,
and
maybe
knowing
our
police
department
they
may
already
be
doing
it.
Could
we
do
a
similar
study
at
the
distant
meers
intersection
that
we
did
for
tarpon
avenue
for
that
whole
section
from
huey,
for
example,
to
see
what
we
can
do
as
far
as
traffic
calming.
K
A
P
A
So
we'll
get
him
a
list
of
all
the
things.
I
guess
the
information
hasn't
got
back
to
them.
The
things
we're
already
doing,
especially
in
the
project
you
just
approved
again
to
reiterate
10
years
ago
or
11
years
ago,
when
that
road
was
done.
The
group
just
agreed
to
the
basic
road
and
we
were
as
a
city
supposed
to
come
in
afterwards
and
do
the
other
things
those
things
they're
going
to
see
so
we'll
get
them
the
list.
We'll
also
look
at
those
things.
A
We've
already
got
the
police
working
on
a
lot
of
the
things
that
came
up
from
the
walking
when
they
did
the
walking
a
distance,
we're
already
working
on
those
things.
So
we'll
we'll
make
sure
we'll
get
a
list
to
the
pastor,
so
he
can
distribute
the
information.
K
Sorry,
specifically
something
on
safety,
same
level
of
detail
that
was
done.
The
police
department
did
an
excellent
job.
You
know
suggesting
perhaps
a
stoplight
stop
so.
K
Right,
the
second
item-
I
just
want
to
offer
for
clarification
when
you
first
of
all
our
comprehensive
plan,
requires
a
study
for
distant
avenue.
It
doesn't
require
that
it
be
connected,
but
it
requires
a
stand.
A
a
study.
The
study
does
two
things:
one.
It
tells
you
whether
doing
something
makes
sense,
or
it
also
tells
you
whether
doing
something
doesn't
make
sense.
K
But
if
you
don't
have
a
study,
there'll
just
be
a
debate
of
arm
waving.
In
my
opinion,
versus
your
opinion,
the
whole
thing,
so
I
think
a
study
is
a
good
thing
and-
and
I
think,
you're
hearing
some
of
the
results
as
they're
trending
right
now,
and
I
think
that's
going
to
continue
on
when
mr
snyder
and
kimberly
horn
comes
back
to
us
at
some
point.
K
I
guess
april
may
june
time
frame
or
something
like
that,
but
I
think
a
study
is
good
because
it
it
gives
information
as
far
as
you
know,
from
a
from
a
quantitative
perspective
that
okay,
we're
not
going
to
do
this,
because
this
is
why
it
was
studied
and
that's
the
end
of
the
story.
There's
no
debate,
no
opinion
or
anything
like
that.
Maybe
something
will
change
in
five
or
ten
years.
We
could
take
another
look
at
it,
but
but
that's
what
I
value
to
study
both
something
that
makes
sense
and
something
that
doesn't.
E
Thanks
just
real
quick
to
reiterate,
there's
multiple
safety
things
that
we're
working
on
as
a
city.
A
couple
weeks
ago,
we
just
approved,
like
a
million
dollars
for
a
project
along
mirrors
that
moves
a
scale
house,
add
sidewalks,
add
some
streetscape
and
some
other
areas.
So
that's
going
to
address.
Sooner
than
later,
I
don't
know
what
the
start
date
is
going
to
be
on
that,
but
that's
something
in
the
near
future.
E
That
we'll
see
I'm
encouraged
that
the
city
manager
has
put
a
significant
amount
of
time
on
staff
side
to
look
at
safety
along
this
corridor.
So
that's
something
that
and
encouraging
to
see
at
the
end
of
the
day,
this
study
has
been
is
a
great
study
and
there's
a
lot
of
information
in
this
study
you
hit
the
nail
on
the
head
like
how?
How
do
we
know?
Is
it
a
good
idea?
A
bad
idea
is
a
trail
good
idea.
Bad
idea.
Do
we
need
more
sidewalks?
E
I
mean
a
lot
of
common
sense
stuff,
you
think
it's
common
sense,
but
then,
when
you
have
the
study
it
comes
through
and
it
gives
you
more
of
an
educated
decision
that
you
can
make
other
than
saying
it's
a
good
idea
or
a
bad
idea.
So
I
do
appreciate
the
study.
E
I
think
there
are
some
great
concepts
in
there
looking
forward
to
some
more
information
here
with
the
new
board
and
what
alternatives
we
have
as
a
whole
to
see
to
move
forward
with
ford
pinellas
to
try
to
get
some
additional
funding
for
some
other
options
for
this
corridor.
G
E
A
These
next,
these
next
two
items.
Well,
this
is
this
item
was
also
one
where
obviously,
the
decisions
are
going
to
be
made
by
the
next
board,
but
we
felt
that
we
need
to
bring
you
an
update
of
where
we
are
in
in
one
of
the
last
available
meetings
to
do
it
with
you
and
any
input.
But
this
item
and
of
course
the
next
item
are
going
to
be
just
updates
of
where
we
are
now
and
they'll
go
to
the
board.
C
Yes,
sir,
I'm
bob
robertson
project,
administration,
department
director
so,
as
mark
said,
I'm
here
to
provide
a
brief
status
update
on
the
whitcomb
buyer
project.
Primarily,
my
purpose
here
is
give
you
a
quick
check
in
on
where
the
project
is
and
where
it's
headed.
So,
in
short,
the
project
is
proceeding
on
schedule
as
presented
to
the
board
back
in
september.
C
Arcadis
then
began
information,
collection
and
initial
evaluation
stage
and
prepared
four
rough
draft
concepts.
These
four
concepts
were
presented
to
the
sustainability
sustainability
committee
last
month
for
early
input,
and
our
consultants
at
arcadis
got
some
great
constructive
feedback
from
that
committee,
based
on
their
input.
Arcadis
is
now
fleshing
out
the
alternatives
by
doing
some
of
the
detailed
work
that
includes
flood
protection,
analysis,
evaluating
environmental
safety
and
aesthetics
impacts,
coordination
with
pinellas,
county
construction,
cost
analysis
and
doing
a
cost
benefit
analysis
before
we
present
these
alternatives
to
the
board
and
to
the
public.
C
We
wanted
to
do
all
this
homework
and
research
first,
because
we
know
we're
going
to
have
a
lot
of
questions
to
answer,
so
we
want
to
be
prepared
for
that.
So
to
that
end,
we
are
targeting
the
end
of
april
to
present
these
alternatives
to
the
public
that
will
be
through
an
in-person
public
forum
as
well
as
online
through
our
connect,
tarpon
springs
portal
and
maybe
any
other
alternative
we
feel
are
appropriate
after
that.
C
That's
all
that's
our
ultimate
end
game
here
is
to
get
to
the
grant
application
and
then
obviously
to
get
the
project
done
so
so
far
all
this
is
going
in
accordance
with
the
schedule
that
was
presented
to
that
board
back
to
the
board
back
in
september,
and
I'm
looking
forward
to
presenting
the
alternative
to
you
when
they're
ready
for
a
full
discussion.
So,
mr
vice
mayor.
E
Thank
you
bob
is
there.
Thank
you
for
the
update.
What's
pinellas
county
said,
we
talked
to
pinellas
county
about
applying
for
the
grant.
Also,
so,
obviously
the
city
has
half
the
value.
Pinellas
county
has
jurisdiction
for
the
other
half
shave,
half
of
my
shape.
Half
my
head
off.
It's
going
to
look
kind
of
goofy
right
and
it's
not
going
to
really
serve
its
purpose.
Has
any
talks
progressed
or
has
it
shown
any
interest.
C
Yeah
there's
been
some
initial
discussions
about
partnering
up
and
teaming
up
and
going
after
a
grant.
This
is
this
is
where
we
start
to
get
pinellas
county
more
deeply
involved,
that's
where,
as
we're
flushing
out
the
alternatives,
so
I've
already
directed
arcadis
we're
going
to
start
working
much
more
closely
with
the
county
and
and
that's
going
to
be
part
of
the
plan
very
soon
have
they
shown
interest
in.
C
E
Okay,
great
I'm
looking
forward
for
additional
information
coming
from
from
the
sustainability
committee
and
also
going
back
to
the
board
of
commission
too,
have
any
comments
or
questions
on
the
board.
C
E
K
E
Input
so
any
further
discussion,
not
hearing
any
real
call.
A
Yeah,
so
I
want
to
again:
these
are
two
items:
that's
also
going
to
be
turned
over
to
the
next
commission.
I
just
wanted
to
to
give
you
an
update
of
where
we
are,
and
you
know
where
we'll
be
leaving
off,
and
the
information
will
be
given
the
new
commission
and
give
give
this
commission
a
chance,
especially
to
do
with
the
arpa
funding,
where
we
are,
what
we've
done
so
far.
We
talked
a
little
bit
at
the
last
meeting.
A
A
A
A
It's
going
to
be
a
tough
decision
of
the
new
board
and
two
decisions,
one
on
timing:
if
we're
waiting
for
more
the
strategic
plan
comprehensive
plan
to
make
decisions
on
these,
when
we
need
to
make
the
decisions,
so
we
can
get
them
done,
but
they're
also
going
to
have
to
decide
a
whole
lot
of
very
good
projects
and
probably
more
that's
going
to
be
come
up
with
and
and
not
only
look
at
which
of
the
projects
we're
going
to
do
the
our
committee
on,
but
we'll
be
looking
at
budget
time
as
budget
season
starts
in
april,
which
of
these
projects
are
going
to
be
incorporated
in
this
budget,
we'll
be
looking
and
the
finance
director
will
be
looking
at
what
we're
going
to
do.
A
A
So
there's
a
lot
more
to
talk
about
with
arpa
decisions
and
sources
of
money
that
we
may
go
after
there'll
still
be
grants
that
some
of
these
things
we've
had
on
these
lists.
There'll
still
be
grants
to
be
able
to
go
after
they'll,
be
planning
for
penny
money,
pay
for
pinellas
money
over
the
next
five
years
of
where
we
want
to
slot
these
things.
So
this
is
just
the
beginning
of
of
what
we're
doing
and
we've
got
some
lists
so
far.
A
The
first
list
I
attached
was
an
updated
project
list
from
from
the
city
and
department
heads
of
what
some
of
the
things
we're
going
to
look
at
and
there's
just
a
little
bit
of
backup
on
them.
That's
an
evolving
process.
You'll
see
some
different
things
on
there.
One
different
thing
is
the
golf
course
clubhouse
and
banquet
hall.
A
That's
a
discussion
for
the
future,
because
there
was
interest
in
doing
that.
If
the
projections
that
paul
has
is
right
and
son,
it's
going
to
be
at
least
three
years,
maybe
four
before
we
have
the
deficit
paid
and
obviously
I
would
not
recommend
doing
anything
until
we
got
that
million-dollar
deficit.
You
know
we
need
to.
A
We
need
to
get
that
off
the
books,
so
in
my
mind,
in
in
the
city
manager
realm
of
lines
that
wouldn't
be
nothing
that
wouldn't
be
anything
to
look
at
to
probably
four
years,
but
there
is
an
ability
to
do
it
if
we
decide
to
do
it
as
an
opera
money
project
and
to
do
that,
if
there's
a
will
of
the
new
board
to
do
it.
A
So
we
just
added
that
on
because
the
last
discussion
we
had
about
the
golf
course
and
that
this
would
be
a
way
to
do
it
without
taking
out
another
loan
or
putting
them
in
debt,
it's
a
possible
way.
But
again
it's
one
of
many.
We
also
added
two
projects
that
we
went
for
grant
money,
for
we
have
half
the
money,
approximately
half
the
money
on
both
of
them,
the
one
on
the
the
four
sports
field.
We
already
know
we
did
not
get
that
grant.
A
We've
got
half
of
the
money,
budgeted
believe
two
hundred
thousand.
We
probably
need
another
200
000.
One
option
again
would
be
to
use
the
arpa
money
for
that
the
other
option
would
be
to
you
know
again
incorporating
the
budget
and
get
that
budget
money
for
it.
So
the
other
one
is
the
library
improvement
that
we
have
not
heard
on
the
grant.
A
Yet
we'll
probably
hear
for
the
grant
in
in
in
may
whether
we
get
that
grant
again,
I
think
I
think
ron
budgeted,
although
showing
the
budget
the
whole
amount,
the
the
amount
is
based
on
us.
Getting
the
grant,
there's
a
little
bit
of
confusion
about
so
so.
What's
it
showing
you
here
is
the
whole
amount
of
money.
We've
got
half
of
the
money
for
those
two
budgeted,
but
if
we
want
to
move
up
that,
that
may
be
an
option
again,
it's
also
an
option
to
go
to
to
our
budget.
A
We
have
now
or
the
budget
for
next
year
to
get
the
rest
of
the
money
to
do
that
with
so
those
two
were
added
and
one
thing
was
added
on
the
theater
upgrade
for
the
cultural
center.
Their
small
theater
put
in
that
may
be
an
option
to
use.
But
again,
these
are
all
options
and
suggestions
to
that
staff
has
to
throw
into
the
mix.
A
We've
also
got
the
information
that
was
sent
from
the
hospital
about
what
they
requested.
We
have
got
the
sustainability.
The
st
ability
committee
made
some
recommendations
for
that
money.
A
We've
got
in
there
the
results
that
we
talked
about
last
time,
a
little
bit
the
results
of
the
of
the
arpa
funding
and
the
initial,
the
initial
public
engagement
and
town
hall
meeting
that
we
had
so
we've
got
a
lot
of
information
here
to
pass
on
on
to
the
new
board
for
a
lot
of
processes
about
what
we're
going
to
move
in
the
future
to
make
decisions
on
it.
A
So
this
is
kind
of
what
we've
left
with
with
your
board
ron's
here
to
answer
any
of
the
technical
budgetary
questions
that
we've
got
some
on
this
and
then
basing
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
town
hall
on
the
east,
tarpon
avenue.
Again,
it's
a
it's
initial.
It's
it's
an
initial
public
engagement.
We
also
did
it
on
our
platform.
A
We
did
this
town
hall
meeting.
I
imagine
the
new
commission
is
going
to
have.
You
know
more
input
for
it
right
now.
From
from
what
we've
got
so
far,
it
looks
like
some
type
of
park
is
going
to
be
the
consensus
for
there.
But
again,
that's
not
decided
and
it'll
be
up
to
the
commission.
A
You
know
what
more
input
we're
going
to
obtain
before
we
make
those
decisions,
but
again
on
both
of
those,
it
was
a
real
good
start
to
keep
the
process
going
and
begin
the
public
input
process
and
again
we'll
be
going
to
the
new
commission
to
find
out
what
more
information
they
want
and
where
to
go
on
on
both
these
items.
Also
on
here,
we
don't
have-
I
mean
we
know
the
vice
mayor
is
very
interested
in
in
in
water
lines
and
water
things.
A
So
it's
also
an
opportunity
tonight,
if
there's
anything
that
that
wants
to
be
added
to
the
list
from
the
commission
where
they
want
to
leave
it
tonight.
But
basically,
this
is
what
we're
passing
over,
that
we've
got
so
far
on
some
input
on
some
ideas,
and
we
want
to
just
one
last
time.
You
know
come
to
this
board
and
and
present
this
and
and
get
all
the
information
what
we're
going
to
pass
over
so.
E
Okay
thanks,
I
appreciate
you
presenting
the
city's
staff
recommendations
and
some
items
that
we
could
look
at.
We
are
going
to
public
comment
on
this
item.
If
you
have
any
public
comments,
please
state
your
name
for
the
record
again.
This
is
for
the
tarpon
avenue
west
harpen
avenue
and
the
arpa
funding.
N
Alright
guys
the
1515
riverside
drive
I'll
be
quick.
I
was
at
the
town
hall.
I
think
that
was
amazing.
I
compliment
you
mark
that
was
probably
one
of
the
best
meetings
I've
seen
here
and
since
I've
been
here,
it's
great
to
get
the
input
from
the
residents
the
residents
were
giving
a
lot
of
feedback.
The
only
thing
I
would
like
to
add
is
possibly
coming
up
with
a
wish
list
and
making
it
into
a
matrix
so
that
we
see
exactly
how
many
people
want
the
park.
How
many
people
want
this?
N
How
many
people
want
that?
Whatever
the
wish
list
is
so
that
we
have
a
consensus,
because
that's
the
only
fair
way
to
really
move
ahead
with
what
the
money
should
be
spent
for,
but,
as
I
also
said
on
that
day,
I
do
think
we
need
to
touch
base
with
the
people
that
were
not
in
the
room
because
they're
the
people
that
either
don't
know
this
city
hall
even
exists,
they're
dealing
with
day-to-day,
that
they
have
no
food
to
eat
or
they're,
possibly
going
to
be
tossed
out
of
their
house
for
lack
of
payment.
N
Now
we
have
issues
with
gas
pricing
and
food
food
pricing,
accelerating
at
an
exorbitant
rate,
so
we
we
also
need
to
make
sure
that
we
don't
have
a
mass
exodus
of
people
that
are
right
now,
just
sitting
on.
You
know,
baiting
breath
waiting
the
paycheck
to
paycheck
that
have
been
affected
by
covid,
so
these
are
all
the
things
that
we
need
to
consider,
but
thank
you.
I
thank
you
for
whoever's
idea
was
that
to
bring
that
up.
N
I
think
it
was
great
I'd
also
like
to
see
more
and
more
of
those
the
more
comeback
you
get
from
the
residents.
I
I
think
you'll
you'll
see
a
lot
less
divisive.
You
know
type
feelings
from
the
from
the
city.
Thank
you.
E
Thanks
any
other
public
comment
on
this
item
tonight,
seeing
none
we'll
go
to.
We
need
a
motion
for
this.
E
C
E
Okay,
we'll
go
and
we'll
go
to
discussions.
I've
got
a
couple
items
to
discuss
amongst
the
board
again.
This
is
a.
I
don't
want
to
call
it
a
windfall,
but
it's
one
of
these
once
in
a
probably
100
year
situation,
where
the
federal
government
just
hands
us
a
significant
amount
of
money.
12
million
dollars
is
a
lot.
E
E
So
a
couple
of
them
that
I
do
want
to
what
I
do
want
to
add
to
the
list
is
the
hospital
the
ceo
sent
over
a
handful
of
things
that
they've
done
with
the
hospital
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
they
still
have
to
do
in
the
hospital
on
this
building
and
the
way
the
coded
funds
are
described.
I
mean
this
is
somewhere
that
they
can
be
used.
E
But
I
think
it's
something
that
we
can
do
as
a
stat
with
our
staff
to
figure
out
a
solution
for
that
and
put
some
dollars
aside,
even
in
general
like
when
someone
gets
like
a
thousand
dollar
water
bill
because
of
a
water
leak
or
something
along
those
lines.
I
mean
something
to
to
help
with
that,
even
when
it's
not
necessarily
a
financial
constraint,
but
getting
a
hit
with
that
of
a
surprise,
because
water
leak
is
something
that
is,
could
hurt
anybody.
E
E
E
Another
item
that
isn't
on
this
list,
but
mark
alluded
to
was
the
water
line
replacement.
There
is
septic
to
sewer
a
second
option
listed
on
top
of
the
one,
that's
already
being
done,
that's
funded
through
the
arpa
funds.
I
would
suggest
that
we
not
do
that
at
all
and
let
it
be
funded
from
the
sewer
fund
itself.
E
We
have,
I
believe,
over
20
miles,
of
cast
iron
pipes
throughout
the
city
that
need
to
be
replaced.
If
you
see
the
inside
of
a
cast
iron
pipe,
it's
a
rusty
pipe.
It
looks
like
a
clogged
artery
and
my
question
to
you
is:
if
you
had
a
a
metal
cup
sitting
in
front
of
you
full
of
rust,
would
you
want
to
drink
out
of
that
metal
cup?
E
E
I
think
it's
time
to
replace
that
and
really
put
some
money
behind
that.
I
believe
it's
a
significant
investment,
but
it's
something
important
and
it
was
one
of
the
items
that
the
residents
said.
The
infrastructure
is
a
top
apart
top
of
that
list,
so
the
water,
the
water
line,
replacement,
I
think,
should
be
at
the
top
of
that
list.
E
There
isn't
anything
in
this,
for,
I
believe,
nonprofits
or
something
along
those
lines
to
help
the
community.
I
would
like
to
see
something
in
here.
We've
got
a
lot
of
great
community
programs
here
locally
that
we
can
involve
some
somewhere.
I
don't
know
what
that
would
look
like,
but
that's
something
we
should
have
added
in
there
as
a
discussion
point
and
some
additional
items.
E
I
do
agree
with
commissioner
donovan
and
I
remember
pretty
clearly
that
the
sports
complex
lighting
was
fully
funded
at
the
end
of
this
budget
season
for
fiscal
year
22,
so
it
I
don't.
I
don't
see
why
that's
in
the
in
the
list
of
items
with
that,
commissioner
terrapani.
F
In
a
nutshell,
I
agree
with
what
you
said
vice
mayor.
I
think
that
the
water
supply
should
be
moved
up
as
a
priority
other
than
that.
I
don't
have
any
comments.
Okay,
mr.
E
O
Yeah,
thank
you
vice
mayor
before
I
get
into
the
sports
complex
lighting
and
field
improvements,
I
do
think
it's
worth
noting
the
cops
and
kids
youth
center.
That
was
one
I
was
particularly
excited
to
see
on
there.
I
remember
the
last
time
I
was
there.
I
spoke
with
them
and
they
had
mentioned
that
this
was
coming
up
sooner
rather
than
later.
O
I
think
it's
a
good
idea,
like
you,
said,
to
possibly
look
into
making
that
a
hurricane
shelter
or
getting
multiple
uses
out
of
that,
but
that
is
something
definitely
for
new
candidates.
If
you
are
elected,
please
please,
please
go
take
a
tour
of
the
cops
and
kids
youth
center
before
you
were
ever
asked
to
make
a
decision
on
this,
because
I
think
it'll
really
give
you
some
good
perspective
on
why
this
is
necessary.
O
As
far
as
the
sport,
complex
lighting
and
field
improvements,
this
is
something
I
missed
when
I
was
reading
over
the
backup-
and
I
was
really
really
concerned
when
I
saw
it
on
this
list.
I
vividly
remember
our
conversation
passing
this
and
it
was
actually
brought
up.
The
mayor
had
said
he
had
just
gone
to
a
tarpon
fc
event
and
that
this
was
something
he
was
really
excited
about.
O
I
chimed
in
I
said:
yeah.
I've
talked
with
them
in
the
past.
This
is
something
really
worth
being
excited
about
and
we
approved
the
four
hundred
thousand
dollars.
I
think
it
was
as
a
capital
project
and
when
we
approved
it,
we
said
hey
we're
going
to
try
to
go,
get
a
grant
for
this,
but
regardless
of
the
grant
outcome,
we
want
to
make
sure
that
this
gets
funded
and
then,
in
speaking
with
staff
about
it,
we
had
agreed.
Okay,
we
need
sisler
complex
ready
for
opening
day.
O
So
I
just
really
want
to
emphasize
tonight
that
this
was
approved
in
our
budget
meetings.
Absolutely
I
remember
that
being
the
takeaway,
I
remember
tarpon
fc
reaching
out
to
the
city
and
saying
thank
you
so
much
so
I
don't
know
a
movie
city
manager.
You
can
answer.
Is
this
just
something
where
you
were
hoping
to
get
an
alternative
funding
on
because
I
don't
want
to
make
it
seem
like
this
is
up
for
funding
no.
A
All
I
got
to
do
I'm
going
to
be
coming
back
to
you.
You
know
when
I,
when
I
learned
you
know
from
ron
that
he
had
counted
the
budget,
that
kind
of
that
portion
into
it.
I'm
going
to
be
coming
back
to
you,
because
I
I
can
get
you
know
from
penny
and
stuff.
We
can
get
it
we
just
put
on
there,
because
that
is.
That
is
an
option
to
use
that
money,
but
but
we
have
the
penny
money
to
be
able
to
do
it.
Also,
a
lot
of
these
decisions
are
there
so
either
way.
A
I
just
have
to
come
back
to
you
to
get
that
that
funding
dedicated
to
you,
so
we
put
it
on
the
list,
since
it
is
an
option
when
we,
when
we
come
back
to
you
for
that
funding-
and
you
know-
I
mean
sake
of
time
and
to
make
sure
karen
gives
a
report
in
our
last
being
there
and
I'll
get
with
you
on
on
on
what
happened
with
it,
but
we
still
fully
intend
to
plan
joe
just
I
have
to
come
back
to
you
to
dedicate
that
other
money
from
some
source.
A
That
would
be
an
option,
but
we've
got
it
in
penny
to
also
bring
forward
to
so
it's
just
on
the
list
as
an
optional
thing,
it's
probably
not
going
to
be
bro
it'll,
probably
be
brought
back
to
the
the
first
meeting
with
the
new
board.
So
I
just
wanted
to
it
just
ended
up
there
because
we
found
out
that
and
and
another
one
that
that
that's
the
way
it
was.
However,
however,
it
was
to
make
it
done
in
the
budget.
O
A
Project-
and
we
still
apparently
go
ahead
with
it-
it
just
will
be
an
option
when
the
new
board
we
turn
over
new
board
to
do.
It
would
be
an
option
to
do
there,
but
we've
also
got
the
penny
money
to
do
it
and
that's
where
I'd
probably
recommend
from,
but
that
is
an
option.
Okay,.
O
A
The
recommendation
would
be
to
use
the
penny
money,
but
the
with
an
option
if
they
didn't
want
it.
You,
depending
on
the
feeling
of
the
board,
about
the
use
of
penny,
money
and
saving
it.
However,
they
wanted
you,
it
would
be
that,
but
but
but
yeah,
my
recommendation
would
probably
be
to
use
other
to
just
dedicate
the
the
penny
money
that
should
have
been
dedicated
in
the
budget
originally.
Okay,
thank
you.
E
I've
got
one
quick
or
two
quick
clarifications.
Real
quick,
I
didn't
bring
up.
One
was
the
station
70
design.
That
was
one
of
the
requests
by
the
fire
department.
I
think
that's
something
that
would
be
needed
again.
That's
public
safety
was
at
the
top
of
the
survey
and
that's
something
that
should
be
evaluated
for
the
whenever
the
capital
improvement
is
going
to
be
for
that
building
and
then,
secondly,
the
golf
course
clubhouse
in
banquet
hall.
I
totally
understand
the
need
for
that.
E
E
The
golf
course
seems
to
be
heading
in
the
right
direction
with
great
leadership,
so
I
think
that
could
be
paid
off
over
10
years
when
they
get
this
debt
down
that
they
currently
have
as
well
too,
but
from
a
funding
from
arpa
there's.
There
should
be
no
reason
we're
building
a
golf
course.
Clubhouse
that
should
be
paid
by
enterprise
funds.
Commissioner
vaticodes.
K
I
was
going
to
say
the
air
force
builds
his
officers
club
before
it
builds
its
runway.
So
I
understand
what
you're
saying,
commissioner
donovan
the
conversation
you
had
with
senior
manager
lecor.
So
basically,
your
motion
is
to
include
not
just
to
accept
the
approach
that
the
city
managers
got,
but
to
include
the
the
funding
for
the
deficit
on
the
lights.
Is
that
correct
yeah?
I'm
going
to
amend
the
motion
to
make
sure
that.
O
Yeah
I
mean
I'm
going
to
amend
it
anyway
to
include
some
of
the
projects
that
others
have
mentioned
just
because
we're
not
making
any
decisions
tonight.
This
is
just
to
get
it
on
the
list
for
the
future
board
to
consider
so
I
figure
everything
everyone's
mentioned
I'll,
add
to
the
list
and
it's
up
to
the
new
board
whether
or
not
they
want
to
consider
it.
K
K
Right,
no,
that's
fine!
I
you
know.
My
point
is
at
some
point.
We
need
to
sober
up
from
these
grants.
Grants
are
good,
but
some
things
are
too
important
to
wait
for
grants.
I
mean
we're
just
basically
not
doing
our
residents
good,
wouldn't
wait
a
year
a
year
and
a
half.
I
know
it
hasn't
been
that
long,
but
for
a
grant
and
we
realized
it-
was
a
long
shot
to
begin
with.
Why
don't
we
just
bite
the
bullet
and
get
it
done
is
what
I'm
getting
at.
I
think
the
staff
would
feel
that
way
too.
K
I
see
the
city
manager
nodding
his
head,
so
I
don't
have
an
issue
with
what
your
original
motion
was.
I
remember
the
conversation
as
well
the
on
the
golf
course
I
I
think
if
I'm
not
mistaken,
it
was
at
the
presentation
that
we
had
for
the
fees
to
provide
an
a
to
z
list
of
what
improvements
you
want
to
do
at
the
golf
course,
including
a
clubhouse.
K
Maybe
I'm
mistaken
about
that,
but
I
thought
that
was
the
comment
that
I
made
was
to
to
give
us
a
list
of
everything
that
you
wanted.
The
improvements
that
you
want
to
make
and
then
and
then
we'll
you
know
in
other
words
program
them
to
actually
get
it
done
over
a
certain
amount
of
period
after
the
deficit,
including
that.
A
That's
what
I
was
kind
of
saying
in
advance.
The
reason
I
put
it
on
the
list
is
is
almost
assuredly.
The
recommendation
is
going
to
be
that
we
don't
even
look
at
that
until
possibly
the
fourth
year
after
we
get
that
other
thing
paid
off.
If
there
was
an
appetite
for
the
commission
sitting
that
they
really
wanted
to
do
this,
then
it
could
be
an
idea
for
the
list.
A
It's
just
thrown
out,
there's
an
idea
for
the
list
when
we
bring
that
back
and
I
think
we
said
may
or
whenever,
when
we
come
back
with
that,
you
know,
I
can
pretty
well
assured
that
that
that
it'll
be
in
year,
four,
four
or
five
years
from
now
after
that,
after
the
deficit
is
fully
paid
off
before
we'd,
even
want
to
enter
into
any
other
kind
of
deficit
with
there.
A
L
K
Just
listing
all
the
options
I
know,
but
it
leads
to
my
next.
I
had
a
conversation
with
the
city
manager.
It's
the
same
thing.
The
staff
knows
what
it
wants.
I
think
that's
what
we
need
to
rely
on
they've
got
this
list
that
they
they
gave
us
this
evening.
K
They've
also
got
10
million
dollars
worth
of
other
projects
that
need
to
be
done
as
well
and
what
I
and
I
think
that's
what
the
city
manager
is
talking
about
at
some
point,
you
need
to
integrate
the
the
arbor
funds,
along
with
a
penny
for
pinellas
and
all
the
other
water
and
sewer
impact
fees,
everything
else
that
we've
got
going
on
and
then
and
then
what
I
suggested
to
him
is
something
that
I
talked
about
before
programming.
K
Everything,
in
other
words,
just
go
ahead
and
add
in
years
target
dates
of
when
these
are
actually
going
to
be
done
and
and
tie
that
to
the
funding
projections,
then
I
said,
get
ron
herring
to
you,
know,
sharpen
his
pencil
and
go
to
work
and,
and
then
at
least
take
a
look
at
it.
Then,
as
we
go
along,
priorities
are
going
to
change
based
on
what
the
residents
are
needs
are
there's
going
to
be.
K
K
I
you
know
I
I
want
to
help
the
hospital
I
want
to
provide
them.
The
million
dollars
for
the
overhang
in
front
and
they've
got
good
reasons
for
that.
The
city
manager
knows
what
those
are
as
well
and-
and
I
know
it's
a
it's-
a
tough
tough
bite
to
take
out
of
that
10
million
dollars-
that's
left,
but
also
we
also
received
what
three
and
a
half
million
dollars
from
the
advanced
lease
is
that
right
and
we've
got
that
it's
untouchable.
I
understand
that,
but
we're
also
earning
interest
on
that.
K
I
I'd
still
like
to
approach
the
hospital
and
see
perhaps
maybe
taking
a
million
of
that
in
the
form
of
a
very
low
interest
loan,
and
maybe
that
would
be
something
that
would
be
of
help
to
them
and
if
not,
then
we
can
kind
of
go
back
and
and
see
what
we
can
do
about
helping
them.
That
is
our
that
is
a
leasehold
improvement
that
we
actually
own
that
building
and
they
put
50
million
dollars
into
our
hospital
facility,
and
I
think
the
least
we
can
do
is
continue.
K
Improving
our
own
leasehold,
our
own
improvements
that
we
actually
own.
So
I
they're
trying
real
hard,
and
I
really
really
appreciate
that-
and
I
did
have
that
conversation
with
mr
dunkle,
but
I'd
like
to
do
a
little
more
be
a
little
more
creative
of
how
we
can
help
them,
rather
than
just
you
know,
with
a
million
dollars.
K
This
was
your
thing
vice
mayor
carr,
about
putting
that
money
away
somewhere.
That
was
before
I
was
on
the
commission
about
putting
that
money
away
somewhere
that's
untouchable,
and
then
that
would
be
available.
I
think
it
was
20
40
or
20
45
50
or
whenever
the
lease
payments
keep
kick
in
and
that
money
would
be
available
to
that
commission
at
that
time.
So
this
would
be
along
that
line
that
we'll
get
that
money
repaid,
but
with
some
interest
as
well.
So
anyway,
that's
all.
I
have.
E
Okay,
commissioner
donovan,
I
think
you
want
to
make
a
amendment.
O
Yeah
I
want
to
amend
my
motion.
I
motion
that
we
add
water
line,
replacement
potential
hospital
funding,
a
hardship
grant
for
residents
potential,
non-profit
funding,
as
proposed
projects
to
consider
on
the
list
and
also
move
forward
with
the
sports,
complex
lighting
and
field
improvements.
Using
the
penny
fund,
as
originally
intended.
F
E
O
Yeah,
I
won't
say
it
all
again,
but
include
in
the
motion
that
cops
and
kids
youth
center
be
explored
as
a
potential
hurricane
shelter.
E
E
E
Yes,
this
completes
our
regular
session
meeting
for
tonight.
Board
comments.
I'm
sorry!
I
need
to
get
stick
to
my
script.
E
E
All
right
and
city
clerk.
E
Okay,
we
do
have
a
community
redevelopment
meeting
right
after
this.
Is
there
a
desire
to
extend
the
time.
E
E
Yes,
with
that,
we
adjourn
the
regular
session
meeting
at
10
56.
E
at
10
56
and
a
half.
We
start
the
community
redevelopment
planning
meeting
on
march
8
2022.
D
Thank
you,
karen
lemmons
community
economic
development
manager,
I'm
sorry
to
give
the
annual
report-
and
I'm
very
pleased
to
give
this
to
you
tonight.
Just
some
background.
I
think
you
all
know
what
the
cra
is
comprised
of
and
the
goals
here
are
to
encourage
economic
growth
and
revitalize
the
area.
D
D
We
did
have
a
couple
of
relocations
or
closings
andros
great
grill
closed,
but
we
do
have
a
new
coffee
shop
opening
later
this
year,
blacktop
black
duck
taco
they
merged
with
brighter
days,
brewery
and
they're
now
offering
their
tacos
there,
and
there
will
be
a
new
ceramic
studio
called
fired
up
that
will
be
moving
into
the
black
duck,
taco
space
and
then
olympic
realty,
they
relocated
to
101,
south
pinellas
and
twisted
orange
is
going
to
be
opening
up
later
this
year.
That's
a
project
of
backdrafts
I'll,
be
offering
craft
cocktails
and
and
tapases.
D
D
Coming
up
this
year,
we've
got
several
new
places.
Opening
some
of
these
have
already
opened.
Others
are
underway
again,
ranging
from
restaurants
to
retail
and
the
hatchet
house
that
I
know
you
heard
about
earlier
this
year
and
our
grants.
The
grants
are
really
the
heart
of
what
the
cra
does
in
helping
attract
and
retain
our
businesses.
We
have
four
grants
that
are
listed
here.
The
new
one
is
the
photo
mural
grant
that
was
just
approved
in
december.
D
So
for
some
facts,
the
three
grants
we
have,
the
88
facade
grants.
So
far
since
they've.
Since
the
inception,
18
restaurant
grants
10
building
code
grants.
We
looked
at
who's
applying
for
them,
whether
that's
the
property
owner
or
the
business
owner,
and
as
you
can
see,
the
facade
and
the
building
code
grants.
The
majority
are
applied
for
by
the
owner
of
the
building
the
restaurant
grants
by
the
owner
of
the
business
economic
impact.
We've
had
116
projects.
D
D
Those
properties
that
have
gotten
grants
had
about
a
40
increase
from
the
grant
year
that
they
received
them
to
current
and
then
here's
some
of
the
projects.
This
is
the
north
safford
avenue
project
redevelopment
that
is
now
full
with
stumpy's
hatchet
house
opening
later
this
year,
lemon
street
trade
center.
They
have
two
businesses.
In
there
now,
st
nicholas
has
completed
their
cathedral.
D
D
The
court
street
parking
lot
improvements.
Recently
the
cra
leased
the
remainder
of
the
parking
lot
behind
the
bank
building.
So
we
now
have
additional
68
spots,
including
the
improvements
that
were
made
to
court
street
that
fell
within
this
fiscal
year
and
then
there's
ongoing
beautification
of
the
way
finding
signs
also
was
completed
during
this
fiscal
year.
D
We've
added
some
downtown
lighting
on
hibiscus
street.
The
alley
mother
mirror's
parking
lot
replaced
a
lot
of
the
acorn
globes.
Our
historic
marker
program
is,
is
ongoing.
We've
had
three
in
the
cra
this
year
from
the
state
there's
four
outside
the
cra.
We've
got
our
local
markers
that
will
be
coming
later
this
year
and
we've
got
several
of
those
that
are
located
in
the
cra
executive
street
signs
are
ongoing
and
all
of
these
beautification
projects
are
continuing.
D
And
then
our
festivals
and
events,
we
have
our
are
continuing
our
events
this
past
year
with
kova,
the
merchants
association
did
add
a
new
event.
The
second
saturday
market,
which
has
been
very
successful
at
the
mother,
mirrors
parking
lot
and
the
well.
There
are
some
crafts
festivals
this
weekend,
that's
outside
the
cra,
but
I
think
you
all
know
about
that,
and
then
future.
These
are
projects
that
we
are
currently
working
on
and
we'll
be
working
on
going
using
the
connect,
tarpon
springs
website.
D
We've
got
our
downtown
tarpon
avenue
lot
redevelopment
the
west
tarpon
avenue
options.
We've
been
discussing
downtown
parking,
the
manatee
plaza
going
through
the
code,
amendments
from
the
cra
and
sap,
our
strategic
and
comp
plan
updates,
which
are
going
to
affect
the
cra
and
then
all
the
beautification
projects
we
have
ongoing.
E
Let's
go
to
public
comment.
First,
do
we
have
any
public
comments
on
this
item
hearing
none.
Do
we
have
a
motion
to
accept
the
presentation.
E
All
right
do
we
have
any
comments
on
this
presentation.
E
I've
got
a
quick
question
for
karen
the
the
old
forbes
property
or
the
forbes
property.
Has
there
been
any
additional?
I
know
there's
at
least
three
different
people
that
I
inquired
about
it.
Has
anybody
made
any
further.
D
E
G
E
G
E
C
Yep,
real
quick
so
for
this
item,
we're
seeking
board
direction
on
the
path
forward
for
the
railroad
arm
project.
Back
in
september,
the
board
decided
against
moving
forward
to
put
the
project
out
for
bid
and
instead
asked
us
to
research,
historical
use
of
that
existing
railroad
mast
arm
there,
and
so
we
did
that
the
idea
being
to
explore
an
option
for
adaptive.
Reuse
of
that
arm,
possibly
putting
a
sign
on
that
on
that
mast
arm
there.
C
Karen
lemmons
spoke
with
the
historical
society,
and
I
met
with
the
public
art
committee.
Both
these
groups
did
not
favor
making
any
additions
to
the
existing
mast
arm,
with
the
exception
of
adding
the
historic
semaphore
signals.
Those
are
those
kind
of
colored
bars
that
you
see
on
the
top
of
of
of
these
type
structures.
There's
a
sepia
black
and
white
photo
in
the
backup
that
shows
what
those
look
like.
C
E
K
Motion
to
approve
restoring
the
mast
arm
with
the
original
semaphore
design,
okay,.
O
E
Okay,
going
to
commissioner
comments,
commissioner,
terry
penny,
I
think
you
were
the
one
that
had
this
recommendation.
Did
you
want
to
make
any
comments.
O
Yeah,
thank
you
bob
for
the
presentation.
What
are
the
costs
associated
with
both
of
these?
I
know,
like
mr
terry
pandy
mentioned,
we
probably
talked
about
it
a
hundred
times,
but
what's
the
cost
associated,
if
we
move
forward
with
the
motion.
C
K
E
Yeah
I
support
the
the
semifold.
What's
it
called
bob,
the
mephor
semaphore
being
restored
its
original
state
it'd
be
nice
to
see
it
powder
coated,
hopefully
it'll
last
longer
this
time.
From
the
last
time
it
was
restored.
I
mean
I'm
in
favor
of
seeing
some
type
of
arm
across
the
trail.
I
do
think
it's
still
a
good
idea,
but
at
this
point
I
think
we've
beat
this
one
pretty
hard.
G
K
Yeah,
I
I
do
I
I
would
I
helped
set
up
on
the
first
friday
and
I'll
be.
It
was
really
interesting
that
additional
parking
that
we've
got
behind
flagship,
really
helped
out
greatly
about
just
near
the
end
of
setting
up
a
lady
had
come
back
from
parking
there
from
having
set
up,
and
I
asked
her-
was
there
still
parking
there
and
I'd
been
sending
everybody
down
there
and,
and
she
said
yeah,
there
were
still
a
few
parking
spaces.
So
I
think
we
solved
a
big
problem.
K
I
know
it's
not
people
parking
in
terms
of
visiting
the
you
know
residents,
but
certainly
the
vendors
made
it
a
lot
easier
for
them
as
well.
So
thanks.
A
Also
for
touch
of
truck,
we
got
a
lot
of
comments
about
having
that
extra
lot
to
park
which,
which
there
were
cars,
ended
up
in
that
second
lot,
for
a
touch
of
truck.
E
A
couple
items
we
do
have
an
election
a
week
from
today,
so
please
get
out
the
vote
regardless,
who
you're
voting
for
just
it's
great?
To
have
everyone
voting
and
tarpon
two
things
we
have
two
ribbon
cuttings
on
friday.
One
is
at
the
senior
center
at
noon.
I
believe,
and
the
other
one
is
at
in
a
downtown
business.
I
can't
remember
the
name
of
the
business
right
now,
but
it's
the
on
the
corner
of
safford
and
tarpon
avenue,
that's
at
five
o'clock
with
that.
The
meeting
is
adjourned
at
1108.