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A
B
A
A
Okay,
tonight's
meeting
is
a
special
session,
but-
and
normally
we
have
public
comments
during
special
sessions,
but
this
one's
actually
restricted
by
a
state's
statute
for
the
purpose
of
adopting
our
annual
budget,
and
so
there
won't
be
public
comments
tonight
at
this
meeting.
So
what
we're
going
to
do
is
start
into
item
number,
one
which
is
resolution
2023-33
adopting
the
final
millage
rate
for
a
tax
year
of
2022.
A
C
Ahead,
Mr
Herring
good
evening,
mayor
Commissioners,
Ron,
Herring,
Finance,
director
Florida
statute.
200.065
sets
the
procedures
for
the
adoption
of
the
millage
rate
and
budget.
The
final
millage
rate
must
be
approved
before
the
final
budget.
The
final
military
for
tax
year
2022
is
5.37
the
same
as
the
previous
year.
The
final
millage
rate
of
5.37
is
12.39
percent.
Above
the
rollback
rate
of
4.7781,
the
rollback
rate
is
a
rate
that
would
provide
the
same
dollar
amount
of
revenues
as
a
previous
year.
B
2022-33
a
resolution
of
the
Board
of
Commissioners
that
the
city
of
Tarpon
Springs
Florida,
adopting
the
final
millage
rate
for
tax
year
2022,
whereas
the
public
hearing
was
held
on
September
21st
2022
at
6
30
pm
to
adopt
the
final
millage
rate.
Now,
therefore,
be
it
resolved
by
the
Board
of
Commissioners,
the
city
of
Tarpon
Springs
Florida
that
won
the
advelora
millage
rate
for
tax
year
2022
of
the
Sea
of
Tarpon
Springs
is
hereby
established
at
5.3700.
B
A
Thank
you,
Ms
Jacobs
yeah
that
was
supposed
to
be
by
some
territory.
Are
there
any
public
comments
on
the
millage
rate,
any
public
comments,
I.T?
Are
there
any
remote
access
comments
on
the
millage
rate.
B
A
Not
okay,
Commissioners
any
comments
from
the
commission.
A
B
This
time
around
I
think
it's
a
step
in
the
direction
where
we
should
let
everybody
know
sometime
next
year,
when
budget
season
comes
around
that
we
should
work
together
to
try
to
reduce
it
a
couple
hundreds
and
have
that
plan
I
think
by
reducing
a
couple,
hundreds
every
so
you
know
every
year
or
so
it
would
not
put
that
big
of
a
burden
onto
Finance
to
balance
the
budget
and
I
think
there
are
creative
ways
where
we
can
balance
that
budget
from
income
that's
coming
in
in
the
near
future,
so
I'm
not
going
to
support
it.
B
E
A
Yes,
item
number
two
resolution:
2022-34
adopting
the
final
budget
for
fiscal
year,
2022-1
2023.
Similarly,
Mr
Herring
is
going
to
review
the
procedures
and
then
the
city
clerk
will
read
the
resolution
in
its
entirety.
C
Yes,
the
final
budget
for
fiscal
year
2023
for
the
whole
city
is
75
million,
686
000
303
an
increase
of
six
million
five
hundred
twelve
thousand
six.
Seventy
one
or
nine
point
four
percent
over
the
adopted
budget
for
fiscal
year
2022,
the
majority
of
the
increase
is
related
to
capital,
capital
outlay
and
budgeting
for
the
American
Rescue
plan
act
and
that's
the
budget.
Thank.
B
Resolution
20-22-34
a
resolution
of
the
Board
of
Commissioners
of
the
city
of
Tarpon,
Springs
Florida,
adopting
the
final
budget
for
fiscal
year,
2022
and
23.,
whereas
a
public
hearing
was
held
on
September
21st
2022
at
6
30
pm
to
adopt
a
final
budget.
Now,
therefore,
be
it
resolved
by
the
Board
of
Commissioners
of
the
city
of
Tarpon
Springs
Florida
that
one
the
city
of
Tarpon
Springs
annual
budget
for
fiscal
year
2022-23
is
hereby
finally
adopted
and
two.
B
A
At
this
time,
thank
you
I'll
entertain
a
motion
to
approve
in
a
second
please
motion.
B
B
A
A
A
E
B
You
get
a
message
from
commissioner
card
that
he
is
running
behind
commissioner
Eisner
here,
commissioner
kuyas
here:
okay,.
A
A
C
Yes
mayor
the
final
CRA
budget
for
fiscal
year,
2023
is
785
733
dollars
an
increase
of
141
629
or
21.9
percent
over
the
adopted
budget
for
fiscal
year
2022..
The
increase
is
due
to
the
taxable
values
and
the
cre
increasing
14.61
percent,
which
is
being
used
being
to
put
towards
CRA
projects
and
that's
a
CRA
budget.
C
B
2022-03
the
resolution
of
the
community
redevelopment
agency
of
the
city
of
Tarpon
Springs
Florida,
adopting
the
final
budget
for
fiscal
year
2022-23,
whereas
the
public
hearing
was
held
on
September
21st
2022
at
6
30
pm
to
adopt
a
final
budget.
Now,
therefore,
be
it
resolved
by
the
community
redevelopment
agency
of
the
city
of
Tarpon
Springs
Florida,
that's
section
one.
The
community
redevelopment
agency's
annual
budget
for
fiscal
year
2022-23
is
hereby
finally
adopted.
Section
2.
The
city
staff
is
hereby
directed
to
notify
all
pertinent
governmental
agencies.
B
A
B
A
Thank
you
for
that
I'm,
going
to
correct
the
title
to
calling
the
meeting
of
to
order,
and
that
is,
as
I
stated,
it
was
Thursday,
it's
actually
Wednesday
and
that's
for
September
September
21st
2022,
which
the
date
was
correct.
A
I.T?
Are
there
any
remote
access
public
comments
and.
A
A
Roll
call,
please
I'd
like
that
motion
in
a
second,
please
motion.
B
A
A
A
A
Okay,
this
work
session,
we've
got
two
items,
one
or
the
charter
amendments
that
we
had
some
discussion
on
at
the
last
meeting
and
in
our
backup
I
presented
the
the
original
memorandum
which
we
had
last
meeting
and
then
I
provided
an
additional
memorandum
with
regard
to
backup
material
for
both
the
Planning
and
Zoning
commission
and
also
for
this
new
item
concerning
the
sidewalk
fund
that
was
brought
up
at
the
commission
meeting.
A
I
think
we
were
okay
with
everything,
except
for
those
two
items
and-
and
of
course
this
is,
this
is
not
just
limited
to
those
two
items.
So
what
I'd
like
to
do
is
I
was
waiting
for
I
invited
Mr
Seaman
here,
chairman
of
the
Planning
and
Zoning
Commission,
and
he's
running
a
little
late,
I.
Guess,
let's
go
ahead
and
and
get
started
on
these
Charter
amendments
and
I'm
going
to
go
to
the
commission
and
we'll
just
go
right
down
the
line.
Commissioner
I'm
sorry
vice
mayor
long.
E
So
I
have
several
comments.
I'm.
Sorry,
it's
going
to
take
a
little
time
to
get
through
here
before
I.
Do
that
can
I
make
another
comment
towards
the
Planning
and
Zoning
Board.
So
last
week
at
our
commission,
meeting
I
had
made
some
inadvertent
and
disparaging
remarks
concerning
the
Planning
and
Zoning
Board
and
their
meetings
I
wanted
to
sincerely
apologize
for
my
comments.
E
E
There
was
some
question
I
guess
this
should
be
directed
towards
Market
this
particular
time
whether
the
staff
we
had
discussed
increasing
the
sidewalk
fund
and
whether
the
staff
could
actually
handle
such
an
increase.
Do
they
have
the
capacity
to
do
say
four
hundred
thousand
dollars
worth
of
sidewalk
work
during
a
given
year.
G
Well,
I
suppose
we
could
Contracting
out
and
stuff,
but
I
think
we're
pretty
with
what
we
have
this
year
and
we
don't
have
our
just
probably
coming
to
one
of
the
next
meetings
and
stuff
I
think
will
be
a
long
way
along
with
with
this
year's
ones.
I
I,
you
know
I'm
a
little
reluctant
on
that
item
to
change
it
so
new
and
really
with
with
the
200
000
plus
some
we
had
to
committed
from
the
last
year,
we're
probably
doing
close
to
300
000
worth
of
sidewalks
this
year
coming
up.
G
The
claims
you
know
are
not
as
much
as
they
used
to
be
as
many
as
they
used
to
be
so
we're
working
that
way.
Obviously
you
know
we
could
contract.
You
know
contract
and
get
more
done,
but
you
know
again
it's
a
board
decision,
but
I,
don't
think
for
this
Charter
time
and
stuff
and
on
our
in
our
you
know,
opinion
that
it's
that
it's
something
that
needs
to
be
done
for
this
Charter,
okay,
well,
yeah,.
E
One
of
my
concerns,
of
course,
with
the
sidewalk
fund,
was,
was
I'm
an
impatient
fellow
and
I
want
to
make
sure
that
our
sidewalks
are
walkable
by
everyone.
A
corollary
concern
was
was
basically
the
amount
of
trip
and
Falls
we've
had
and
litigation.
Because
of
that
and
the
costs
associated
with
it
and
I
I
got
a
breakdown
from
you
and
it
wasn't
too.
Excessive
I'd
still
prefer
to
be
none,
but
but
so
that's
just
a
comment.
Foreign
moving
on
okay.
E
There's
no
pagination
on
this,
but
in
section
policy,
2.43
commercial
General,
we
have
a
definition
of
secondary
uses.
One
of
them
is
included,
is
residential,
which
requires
a
conditional
conditional
use
for
review.
C
B
Took
place
so
I
think
what
what
to
focus
on
for
Charter
amendments
was
there's
a
small
section
in
that
voluminous
set
of
backup,
where
the,
where
the
Planning
and
Zoning
Board
and
the
and
the
staff
discussed
the
options
of
what
could
potentially
go
to
the
planning
and
zoning
board
for
their
authority
to
review.
If
you
want
to
cut
to
the
chase,
what
all
that
really
said
was
what
our
conclusions
were
would
be
things
that,
typically,
that
the
board
adopts
by
resolution,
so
that
would
be
site
plans
and
conditional
uses.
B
E
From
from
a
perspective
of
of
Charter
amendments,
I
think
one
of
the
things
we
were
discussing
with
strategic
plan
and
whether
it
should
be
updated
periodically.
I
tend
to
agree
with
that.
I'm,
not
quite
sure
everybody
feels
about
the
term,
but
but
I'm
I'm,
fine
with
that
and
as
far
as
budget
priorities
I
think
we
should
start
discussing
them
at
the
beginning
of
the
year
so
that
we
can
get
residents
involved
in
helping
us
prioritize.
What's
a
priority
for
them.
Yeah.
A
Let
me
let
me
go
through
this
just
to
just
to
have
a
little
more
information
out
there.
In
the
last
meeting
we
talked
about
the
the
under
Section
8
of
the
charter,
specifically
subsection
G,
which
updates
the
comprehensive
plan.
We've
just
adopted
the
Strategic
plan
and
we're
talking
about
including
the
Strategic
plan,
memorializing
it
in
the
same
section
with
regard
to
the
the
comprehensive
plan
and
its
update
and
synchronized,
along
with
the
the
comprehensive
plan.
A
The
other
item
was
the
budget
priorities
and
the
last
Charter
revision
commission
delineated
many
responsibilities
of
the
commission,
and
even
though
there
were
several
attempts
to
have
a
meet
a
meeting
that
would
establish
the
priorities
that
was
never
done
so
I
think
it.
From
my
perspective,
I
thought
it
would
be
important
and
we
talked
about
that
to
ensure
that
there
would
be
a
public
meeting
where
residents
would
have
their
input
to
the
priorities,
because,
as
of
the
way,
it
is
right
now
the
entire
budget
is
worked
up
and
the
only
time
you
get
it.
A
The
public
gets
a
chance
to
talk
about
anything
on
the
budget
is
tonight
and
the
last
budget
after
the
budget's
complete
balance.
Everything
is
so
it'd
be
real
hard
for
the
residents
to
have
any
input
to
the
budget,
so
it
would
be
establishing
priorities
early
on
which
we've
talked
about
in
the
past,
but
now
actually
requiring
it.
So
there
would
be
no
excuse
for
not
doing
it.
A
That's
what,
but
vice
mayor
Lunt
is
talking
about
right
now
and
then
there's
section
12,
which
is
the
the
zoning
powers
where
it
identifies
the
Planning
and
Zoning
Board
strictly
as
an
Advisory
Board,
and
there
was
a
whole
lot
of
discussion
workshops
on
a
variety
of
issues
that
Ms
Vincent
our
planning
director
described.
But
then
there
was
a
a
part
of
that
of
of
the
Planning
and
Zoning
commission
being
able
to
approve
a
couple
of
things
that
are
minor
compared
to
some
of
the
larger
projects,
for
example,
the
site
plans.
A
Now
the
site
plans
inherently
would
be.
The
smaller
projects
is
the
largest
site
plans
are
going
to
come
in
through
some
kind
of
a
developers
agreement,
some
kind
of
a
residential
plan,
development
or
some
other
larger
a
project.
That's
going
to
require
a
couple
of
different
legislative
acts
which
are
in
the
purview
of
the
commission,
so
it
would
be
a
smaller
site
plan
and
then
conditional
use
is
very
similar
to
the
one
we
dealt
with
last
time
and
and
why
would
we
want
to
do
that?
A
Mr
Seaman
is
here
and
I'm,
going
to
I'm
going
to
ask
I'm
just
going
to
stop
with
the
commission
comments
with
vice
mayor
Lund
and
ask
Mr
Seaman
to
come
forward
and
make
a
few
comments
on
behalf
of
the
Planning
and
Zoning
commission.
But
the
idea
behind
that
is
to
short
shorten
the
process.
The
approval
process
of
when
people
come
in,
cheapen
it
as
well
of
to
apply
for
conditional
use
or
site
plan
on
something
small
and
then
the
last.
A
And
in
order
for
that
to
happen,
the
charter
would
have
to
be
amended
to
allow
the
Planning
and
Zoning
Board
to
have
some
Independence.
But
then
those
those
actual
responsibilities
would
be
delineated
by
ordinance
and
then
also
there
as
part
of
that
there
would
be
an
appeal
process
that
would
be
worked
out
as
well
within
that
ordinance.
A
I
just
showed
this
initially
I
thought
it
might
be
a
good
idea,
but
it
could
probably
wait
until
the
next
Charter
revision
commission,
which
is
going
to
be
convened
and
I,
worked
out
the
numbers
in
18
months
on
that
and
then
the
the
the
other
one
that
we
brought
forward,
or
at
least
Vice
I'm.
Sorry,
commissioner,
Carr
and
vice
mayor
Lunt
wanted
to
talk
about.
Was
the
street
white
sidewalks
fund
of
increasing
the
amount
from
100
000
to
200,
but
that's
a
match?
That's
just
not
money!
A
That's
going
to
go
directly
out
of
the
fund
of
the
city
the
city
will
have
to
if
it
goes
from
100
to
200,
000
and
everything
is
left
in
place.
Two
hundred
thousand
are
going
to
have
to
come
from
other
monies
in
order
to
match
the
two
hundred
thousand
dollars
that
would
come
from
that
fund
and
it's
not
simply
budgeting
the
200
000.
It's
actually
encumbering
the
200
000.
that
that
was
real
critical.
A
In
other
words,
it
has
actually
has
to
be
spent
before
that
two
hundred
thousand
dollars
comes
out
of
the
fund
to
the
city
for
additional
work.
So,
and
that's
in
my
second
memory
and
I
made
the
comment
about
the
capacity
and
the
other.
Only
other
comment
I
want
to
make.
There
is
I,
do
know
that
the
counties
slowing
down
their
project
program,
their
Capital
project
program
because
basically
they're
competing
for
the
same
contractors
everybody's
competing
for
the
same
contractors
in
Pinellas
County
we've
got
a
lot
of
money
out
there.
A
A
lot
of
projects
that
are
being
done,
a
lot
of
road
work,
sidewalks
concrete
everything
and
there's
and
there
aren't
any
new
contractors.
So
basically
it
does
two
things:
one
we're
increasing
the
cost
of
these
projects
if
we
want
to
have
them
done
right
away
and
two
I
think
sometimes
these
contractors
are
getting
stretched
then,
and
they
get
into
trouble
on
these
projects
like
we,
the
situation
we've
got
on
Seabreeze,
Drive
and
also
gross
Avenue
here,
which
we're
still
trying
to
work
out
a
solution
on
that.
A
So
that's
the
summary
of
what
we
did
the
last
time
and
I'm
gonna.
If,
if
the
commission
doesn't
mind,
I'd
like
to
invite
chairman
Seaman
to
come
forward
and
make
his
comments,
if
you'd
like
and
and
our
rules
of
procedure
provides
for
this,
that
happened
and
I
did
check
that
with
the
city
manager
this
today
and
and
Mr
Seaman
is
making
his
comments
and
capacity.
The
chairman
of
the
Planning
and
Zoning
commission
Mr
Seaman
go
ahead.
Thank
you.
Thank.
D
You
thank
you
for
having
me
here
tonight.
Members
of
the
boc
I
do
want
to
be
clear.
It's
we're
just
talking
about
conditional
use
permits
and
minor
site
plan
review.
The
I
think
almost
any
site
plan
review.
That's
for
a
project.
That's
very
large,
would
require
other
approvals
that
that
would
require
your
review
as
well,
but
certainly
there
could
be
a
threshold
established
also
if
that
was
a
concern,
but
there's
really
two
primary
reasons
for
this.
The
first
one
is
just
to
shorten
the
process
for
the
residents.
D
I've
I've
been
on
the
other
side
of
the
microphone
a
lot
of
times
as
a
landscape,
architect
and
and
a
urban
planner
on
projects
in
my
past
and
it's
it's
really
frustrating
when
you
have
a
tiny,
tiny
project,
and
it
takes
weeks
and
weeks
and
weeks
and
weeks
to
get
through
the
review
process
so
cutting
about
a
month
out
of
the
review
process
on
very
small
projects
would
be
a
great
benefit
to
our
residents.
I
feel
like
and
I.
Don't
I,
don't
think
it
takes
anything
away
from
the
boc's
authority.
D
Certainly,
the
second
reason
is
you
guys
have
a
lot
of
really
major
issues
on
your
table
these
days
and
taking
a
few
of
these
smaller
projects
off
of
your
table
and
and
allowing
the
the
pnz
board
to
review
those
and
to
deal
with
them
would
save
you.
You
know
not
a
lot
of
time
but
significant
time
in
some
of
your
meetings
that
are
too
long
already.
D
D
D
D
E
I'm,
actually
in
support
of
both
objectives,
both
using
the
pain
for
our
residents
to
get
permits
and
using
the
load
on
the
on
the
board
for
having
to
review
it.
All
one
of
my
questions
was
be
how
we
would
go
about
qualifying
what
is
deemed
more
complicated
versus
simple,
and
you
know,
would
that
be
size,
density
conditions,
Wetland
impact,
or
how
do
we
codify
that,
because
I
think
you
know
being
able
to
codify
that
would
give
us
the
parameters
for
allowing
you
to
do
what
you're
requesting.
D
A
Yeah
one.
D
You,
the
thought
was,
and
it
might
be
a
way
to
do
it
that
would
simplify
it
is,
is
even
if
you
still
heard
those
items
but
treated
them
as
consent,
agenda
items
and
and
you
could
choose
if
you
were
concerned
about
an
item,
you
could
pull
it
just
like
you
do
on
the
consent
agenda,
but
otherwise
it
would
go
right
through
and
you
wouldn't
have
to
spend
the
time
to
deal
with
it.
D
The
the
other
thought
that
that
I
kind
of
had
on
that
is
it
I
mean
it
could
be
based
on
a
threshold
of
acreage,
because
large
projects
typically
involve
larger
acreages
I'm,
not
sure
what
the
critical
number
is.
I
think
our
our
staff
could
probably
help
us
a
lot
in
determining
that.
But
the
other
thing
I
think
that's
going
to
happen
is
most
of
the
larger
projects
are
going
to
require
some
other
sort
of
approval
above
and
beyond.
Just
a
conditional
use
or
a
site
plan
review.
A
Just
for
the
record
tonight
is
not
for
the
purpose
of
actually
deciding
that
we
are
definitely
going
to
go
to
referendum
on
this
thing.
It's
just
to
get
the
idea
if
there,
if
this
commission
would
have
some
support
and
then
that
would
allow
the
city
manager
and
Ms
Vincent
to
put
something
together
between
now
and
the
time
that
the
referendum
questions
are
required
and
then
I
think
we
do
need
to.
We
will
be
going
to
public
comment
on
those
as
well.
They.
A
To
public
hearings,
yes
right
so
I
think
Mr
Seaman
hit
it
right.
It's
not
necessarily
whether
these
are
great
ideas
or
you
might
not
think
they're
great
ideas
or
maybe
even
you
might
think,
they're
bad
ideas.
It's
just
whether
you
think
it
would
be
worth
the
residents
to
have
a
say
on
it,
based
on
what
you've
heard
on
the
campaign
Trail
and
when
you
talk
to
Residents
out
on
the
street
with
current
projects
and
issues
that
we've
got
so
with
that
Mr
Seymour.
Was
there
anything
else?
B
All
right
go
ahead.
I
think
this
board
does
a
great
job
and
I
appreciate
everything
you
guys
do
but
I'm
worried
about
not
having
the
same
qualified
individuals
such
as
yourselves
on
future
P
and
D
boards
to
me,
making
those
tough
decisions-
and
you
know
I,
don't
know
how
long
everyone
expects
to
be
on
the
board.
But
it's
you
know
something:
five,
ten
years
down
the
road,
we
could
see
a
whole
new
board
with
you
know,
different
ideas
or
different
with
that
research.
D
And
material
you
know,
I
mean
and
I
don't
I
don't
mean
to
be
flippant
about
it,
but
that
kind
of
comes
back
to
you
guys
because
you
you're
appointing
the
future
Commissioners.
And
you
know,
as
long
as
you
guys
are
here,
I'm
pretty
comfortable
that
the
the
commission
will
have
the
same
well-qualified
people.
You
know,
but
it's
sort
of
the
sort
of
the
same
thing
with
you
guys
and
and
with
us.
If
change
happens,
we
can't
control
that
we're.
D
Well,
something
something
I
have
seen
done
in
other
places
they
actually
set
aside
like
and-
and
don't
quote
me
on,
exactly
which
professions,
but
you
pick
a
profession
like
there
has
to
be
one
architect
on
the
Planning
Commission.
There
has
to
be
one
engineer
on
the
commission.
There
has
to
be
one
contractor
on
the
commission
and
then
maybe
two
kind
of
at
large
members,
or
something
is
a
way
also
to
address
that
that
I've
seen
done
in
other
communities.
Thank
you,
Mr
Seaman.
A
And
thank
you
planning
and
zoning
commission.
Let
me
Mr
seem
if
he
could
get
up
one
more
I
do
have
one
brief
call.
As
far
as
the.
E
A
You're
going
to
speak
for
the
Planning
and
Zoning
commission
now
as
far
as
the
whether
there
was
a
consensus
or
some
would
have
a
broad
approval
for
taking
this
approach
of
giving
some
Independence
the
Planning
and
Zoning
commission
from
the
rest
of
your
colleagues.
A
D
This
was
one
of
several
fairly
important
points
that
we
brought
up
in
the
workshop
that
we
had
back
in
April,
I
believe
it
was,
and,
and
everybody
was
in
accord
that
that
it
was
something
we
would
like
to
see
if
it
could
possibly
be
done.
There
has
in
the
past,
been
descent,
and
it's
not
related
to
you
guys,
honestly,
but
with
the
way
some
of
our
decisions
were
pretty
much
ignored
in
the
past,
and
we
came
pretty
close
to
losing
some
very
valuable
members.
D
Because
of
that-
and
this
was
just
one
thing
that
would
help-
and
it's
it's
not
an
ego
trip
for
us
really
believe
me.
It's
it's
more
about
serving
the
public
more
effectively,
but
having
some
Independence
to
act
on
certain
types
of
things
would
would
also
be
good
for
the
board
members
or
the
commission
members.
A
Thank
you,
Mr
Seaman,
let's
see
vice
mayor
Lana.
Are
you
do
you
have
any
other
comments,
commissioner?
Eisner
thank.
F
You
mayor,
so
let
me
just
give
you
my
opinion
on
the
Planning
and
Zoning.
There's
no
guarantee
that,
no
matter
what
board
is
up
making
decisions,
we
always
have
the
final
decision
to.
If
there's
issues
there
is
removing
anybody,
that's
on
the
board,
There's
issues
or
problems,
but
the
board
of
adjustment
has
the
same
jurisdiction.
They
make
final
decisions.
The
code
enforcement
makes
final
decisions.
Heritage
Board
makes
final
decisions
as
long
as
the
protocol
for
the
decision
making
is
not
something
that
is
which
I've
heard.
That's.
F
Why
I
didn't
have
any
questions
that
they're
just
smaller
decision
making?
I
I
don't
have
a
problem
with
that
I.
Look
back
to
how
many
agenda
items
we're
back
in
the
90s
in
the
early
2000s,
and
you
know
most
of
the
boards
had
15
agenda
items
at
a
time
we're
now
sitting
always
at
20,
25
and
30
agenda
items.
So
going
back
to
what
Mr
Seaman
said,
we
we
do
need
to
streamline
this
and
see
how
it
works.
F
F
I
think
that
all
of
the
boards
need
training
as
far
as
protocol
and
all
that,
so
that
that's
where
I
stay
with
that
I
I
am
impressed
with
everybody.
That's
on
there
I
think
we
always
have
to
keep
alternates.
That's
a
valuable
thing.
We
have
to
make
sure
that
alternates
come
to
all
the
meetings,
because
that's
how
they,
you
know,
move
forward,
so
that
would
be
where
I
I'm
very
much
for
giving
them
some
autonomy
in
the
decision
making.
Okay,
thank.
A
You
we're
just
going
to
finish
this
part
up
and
then
we'll
open
it
up
to
the
other
stuff
commission.
Do
you
have
any
other
comments
on
this.
B
I
am
worried
about
six
to
ten
years
out.
You
know,
just
like
I
said
I
think
we
have
good
structure
right
now,
a
good
foundation
on
all
our
boards,
but
depending
on
and
I,
know
we're
going
to
fix
our
land
use
codes
and
our
conditional
use
codes
to
allow
certain
projects
to
be
funneled
in
a
certain
way.
So
as
long
as
long
as
we
get
all
that
straightened
out,
then
I'm
for
it.
Thank
you.
Okay,.
A
Yeah
I
I
do
want
to
completely
emphasize
these
are
small
projects.
This
isn't
giving
the
planning
zoning
commission
full
autonomy
and
there's
it
in
their
their
responsibilities.
Their
Authority
is
actually
regulated
by
state
stats.
Actually,
ours
are
we
can't.
We
can't
give
up
what
our
state
mandated
responsibilities
are,
which
is
legislative
so
and
for
myself.
I,
don't
have
an
issue
with
letting
the
residents
decide
and
they'll
have
a
sense
of
whether
it
works
and
and
quite
frankly,
we've
got
a
number
of
boards
as
I.
Think,
commissioner
Eisner
said
that
Audi
are
completely
autonomous.
A
A
Let
me
you've
heard
I.
Think
from
us.
So
that'll
give
you
enough.
Direction
our
rules,
our
rules
of
procedure
for
work
sessions.
We
could,
even,
though,
we're
not
allowed
to
take
formal
votes
on
specific
things.
We
can
vote
to
give
the
city
manager
Direction,
but
I
said
I
would
ask
him
if
he's
comfortable
with
what
he
hears
and
I
think
you're
comfortable
with
this
one.
Let's
go
to
the
other
items:
Vice
Merlot.
Let's
start
over
again.
E
F
Touche
so
first
the
sidewalk
I
would
like
to
keep
the
sidewalk
fun
the
way
it
is
and
I
don't
want
to
go
into
adding
funds
to
it
and
trying
to
go
outside
I
want
to
keep
that
in-house.
F
Also
because
we
have
an
issue
right
now
with
a
shortage
of
contractors.
You
know
we
don't
need
to
have
more
I'd,
rather
be
working
with
our
own
internal
staff
than
going
outside,
and
then
having
people
start
projects
and
us
going
into
having
to
finish
a
project
that
they
didn't
finish,
which
we
have
enough
of
right
now,
so
that
I
want
to
stay
with
that.
F
One
of
the
things
that
I
was
going
to
speak
about
was
the
residency
I.
Don't
honestly
have
an
issue
with
reg,
you
know
with
Reddit
residency.
F
I
know
people
think
that
if
you
are
from
the,
if
you
live
in
the
town
that
you're
going
to
treat
it
better,
I
personally
think
it's
truthfully
up
to
the
person
we
went
through
that
with
the
with
the
election.
If
you
were
born
here,
you're
going
to
take
a
better
care
of
the
town,
I
don't
buy
that
either
I.
Think
if
you
have,
you
know
some
good
work
habits
and
you
know
you
were
brought
up
to
do
the
right
thing.
You're
going
to
do
it.
If
you
weren't,
you
know
we
replace
you
so
I.
A
Just
for
clarity,
we're
not
talking
about
changing
the
residency.
Just
the
titles
of
the
department
heads
that
are
in
there,
the
res
The
Residency
issue
would
be
dealt
with
that
if,
if
the
future
city
Charter
revision
commission
wanted
to,
they
would
deal
with
it.
This
was
just
for
changing
the
names,
but
the
city
manager
believes
he
can
work
with.
What's
there
right
now,
yeah
that
that's
all.
F
The
budget,
I
believe,
should
be
done
prior
with
the
residence
input.
I
personally
didn't
like
the
fact
that
we
got
to
hear
I
want
transparency.
I
ran
on
transparency,
so
I'd
like
to
hear
what
the
residents
have
to
say
before
we
make
the
decisions
not
after
I
know.
They
put
us
in
office
to
make
those
decisions,
but
I
still
would
like
to
hear
the
the
comments,
whether
they
be
good
or
bad
so,
and
the
Strategic
plan
I
do
believe.
F
I
I
wouldn't
go
for
a
full
review
on
it,
but
update
is
what
I
would
recommend,
something,
and,
and
also
just
to
see
if
how
it's,
how
it's
panning
out,
so
that's
the
route
I
would
take
okay,
yeah.
B
I
agree
with
commissioner
Eiser
regarding
the
the
sidewalks
and
being
able
to
do
that
in-house
as
far
as
the
the
budget
and
increasing
it.
If
we
can
show
that
we're
actually
producing
that
having
that
carry
over
that
amount
that
we're
putting
in
and
we
can
improve
all
the
sidewalks
and
that
need
to
be
edited
and
then
I
am
for
it.
B
But
I
would
like
to
keep
it
in
house
the
standards
for
the
review
for
the
conditional
uses
I'm
going
to
leave
that
to
staff,
and
you
mayor
as
well
as
others,
to
help
update
those
codes
to
to
get
them
where
they
should
be.
Regarding
the
connections
to
public
water
and
annexation,
those
codes
seem.
A
To
be
those
are
in
the
Ms
Vincent,
could
you
clarify
that
again,
basically
they're
the
parts
that
we're
talking
about
I
we
put
in
there
I
think
it
was
Pages
28
through
53
that
was
in
my
memorandum.
That
was
supposed
to
zero
in
not
the
entire
memorandum.
This
had
to
do
with
just
those
things
that
would
require
the
charter
to
be
amended.
A
Commission
meeting
previously
and
we've,
given
the
city
manager
and
the
planning
director
Direction
on
this
thing,
so
we'll
have
a
full
public
meeting
on
that
with
resident
input,
so
go
ahead.
B
Changing
the
department
had
director
names,
I'm
I,
support
that
and
the
Strategic
plan
I
think
we
should
be
able
to
update
it
at
least
every
two
years.
That
way
we
can
give
one
one
member
on
the
board
at
least
one
time
to
crack
at
it
and
update
some
more,
if
not
two
times
depending
on
the
cycle.
This
thank
you.
Thank.
A
You
yeah
I
think
the
key
to
the
Strategic
plan
was
that
the
comprehensive
plan
is
required
by
law
and
at
one
time
it
was
required
to
be
updated
every
five
years,
completely
updated
with
what's
called
an
ear
report,
evaluation,
analysis
report
or
something
like
that
and
and
in
2011
the
law
changed
no
longer
requiring
that
to
be
updated
and
it
was
really
left
up
to
the
cities
to
whether
they
updated
it
or
not.
Some
cities
kept
up
with
it,
others
didn't
and
the
difference
is.
The
Strategic
plan
is
not
required
by
law.
A
We
had
one
in
the
early
to
late
90s
it
continued
on
for
a
little
while
and
then
for
whatever
reason
it
just
it
became
forgotten
and
out
of
sight
out
of
mind,
and
we
really
haven't
and
you've
heard
the
before
everybody
ran
for
office.
As
far
as
what
the
residents
involvement
in
city
government
was,
it
wasn't
that
good,
you
know
people
we
couldn't
get
people
to
come
you'd
hear
this.
We
couldn't
get
them
to
come
to
the
commission
meetings.
The
whole
thing
so
I
think
the
general
idea.
A
Is
that
that's
good,
but
it's
still
our
responsibility
to
know
what
the
residents
want.
So
this
strategic
plan
was
a
way
of
actually
going
out
into
the
community,
creating
a
vision
of
What.
The
residents
want
the
community
to
look
like
and
what
their
priorities
are,
so
that
we
don't
wind
up
with
these
little
pet
projects
that
you
didn't
see
any
in
this
budget
this
year,
you
had
some
in
the
previous,
but
not
in
this
budget.
So
I
think
that,
from
that
perspective
was
a
success,
so
it
would
be
an
update.
A
We've
adopted
the
Strategic
plan,
we're
going
to
be
implementing
it
and
in
the
implementation,
we're
going
to
find
some
issues
that
don't
quite
mesh
with
the
comprehensive
plan
as
it's
being
developed,
along
with
the
character
districts
that
are
going
to
be
coming
along
both
for
the
Union,
Academy,
neighborhood
and
also
the
Greek
Town,
and
then
also,
of
course,
the
sustainability
action
plan.
All
those
have
to
work
together
and
we
might
find
some
tweaks
updates
if
you
will
for
the
Strategic
plan.
That
has
to
be
done
now.
A
We've
got
another
attorney:
we've
got
a
contractor,
a
landscape
architect
and
in
his
specialization,
is
environmental
issues
as
well,
so
I
think
we've
done
real
well,
but
it's
the
same
thing
with
the
the
Strategic
plan
as
well
the
implementation
of
it
we
we
have
to
kind
of
be
mindful
and
with
the
characteristics
and
all
those
other
things
that
that
we
that
we
have
that
as
a
requirement.
So
that's
not
forgotten.
That's
all!
A
If
it's
not
a
requirement
that
I
my
suspicion
is
long-term
it'll,
slowly
dwindle
away,
as
a
matter
of
fact,
sitting
by
Angela
course,
will
tell
you
when
I
was
city
manager
same
thing
with
him,
we
probably
have
10
or
15
stormwater
studies
stacked
together
somewhere
every
few
years.
We
do
a
storm
water
study
on
what's
important
and
we
spend
a
hundred
thousand.
A
Fifty
thousand
and
it
one
storm
water
report-
tells
you
the
same
thing
as
the
previous
one
did,
and
it
gives
you
the
same
priorities
as
what
needs
to
be
done
first,
which
is
the
most
important.
So
the
idea
is
that,
whatever
plan,
we
have
it's
great,
but
we
actually
have
to
implement
it
and
follow
it
so
I'm
hoping
that
that
would
be
the
kind
of
language
that
we
introduce
in
the
in
the
charter
for
a
charter
Amendment
for
this
time
around,
which
would
be
the
March
2023
election.
A
A
G
I
just
have
one
comment
to
make
is
on
the
budget
priority
thing.
Obviously
getting
in
the
charter
sets
it
in
stone
as
good,
so
I'm,
not
talking
about
not
putting
it
but
I
structured.
The
budget
every
year,
based
on
the
input
of
the
commission,
I,
probably
changed
it
three
four
times
in
the
last
six
year
of
orders,
we
changed
the
order
of
where
the,
where
the
budget
advisory
looked
at
things,
because
the
input
every
meeting
so
regardless,
even
if
this
was
put
on
and
failed
the
charter.
G
Anyway,
but
it's
always
good
to
memorialize
things
in
the
charter,
if
you
again,
if
you
wanted
to
carry
on
so
so
it's
good
to
do
but
again,
you
know
we
can
change
the
budget
process.
This
is
the
first
time
you've
had
this
budget
process,
so
any
input
on
changes
I
do
those
on
the
direction
of
the
board.
So
I
just
want
to
make
that
point.
A
In
stone,
no,
that's
it
and
I.
Remember
the
two
years
that
I
was
a
city
commission.
There
were
conversations
both
years
that
we
really
need
to
establish
priorities,
and
that
was
okay.
That
was
the
first
year
the
second
year.
It
still
wasn't
done,
but
you
heard
the
same
question:
we
need
to
establish
priorities
sometimes,
and
it's
really
frustrating
really
when
we
wind
up
at
this
point
and
we've
got
the
budget
and
by
the
way
it
wasn't
any
different
when
I
was
city
manager
either.
Generally,
these
meetings
happened.
I,
don't
think
the
law
changed,
State
statutes.
A
It
wasn't
clear
as
to
whether
the
commission
understood
their
responsibility,
so
they
actually
wanted
the
residents
to
have
an
opportunity
to
tell
the
commission
what
their
responsibilities
were,
and
that
was
done.
The
charter
revision
commission,
which
2019
and
the
charter
amendments
were
approved
during
the
election
of
2020
and
and
that
so
it
was
just
two
years
ago.
So,
yes,.
F
It's
a
very
interesting
commissioner,
Coleus
and
I
were
in
Florida
League
of
cities
and
I.
Remember
we
were
in
a
room
and
the
speaker
had
asked
to
all
of
the
Mayors
and
Commissioners
in
the
room
and
said:
please
raise
your
hand
if
you
have
enough
money
to
spend,
and
you
know
you
don't
have
the
need
for
any
more
money
and
it
wasn't
a
hand
that
was
raised
in
the
room
because
every
city
suffers
and
what
I
wanted
to
share
was.
F
You
know
and
I
agree
with
commissioner
coolies
I'd
love
to
reduce
I'm
sure
you
would
too,
and
you
would
as
well
reduce
the
millage
rate.
But
when
we
got
to
look
at
this
budget
and
what
we
needed
to
do,
I
mean
I,
don't
want
to
say
that
prior
boards,
didn't
all
I
know
is
that
there
was
more
than
I,
wanted
to
see
needing
to
get
done
and
there's
no
way
to
do
it
without
having
money.
F
So,
unless
you're
removing
something
you
can't,
you
can't
lower
a
millage
rate,
so
I
I'm
I'm
with
you,
commissioner,
on
wanting
to
reduce
the
tax
rate
for
the
residents,
but
not
if
we
have
what
we
have
to
get
repaired
and
to
keep
the
city
up
to
date.
So,
but
we
don't
have
any
extra
money.
Believe
me
when
I
tell
you
that
okay,
so
thank.
A
You
anything
else
you
mentioned.
A
G
I
want
to
take
my
this
chance,
especially
because
these
are
also
some
things
that
may
need
to
be
about
language
for
the
election,
the
different
properties
that
we've
talked
about
gone
out
for
appraisals
for
and,
as
you
know,
there's
a
backlog
on
appraisals,
so
the
time
frame
is
double
or
more
than
we
used
to
get
them.
We,
we
still
don't
have
a
very
important
appraisal
and
that's
let
me
talk
about
the
one
we
don't
have
first
and
that's
on
that
property
by
Stauffer.
G
We
knew
that
was
going
to
be
the
toughest
appraisal
for
their
praise.
They're
to
do
so,
we
don't
have
have
that
one
yet,
but
that
still
might
be
something
we
need
to
talk
about
and
talk
about
some
language
on
there
and
again,
I'll
just
go
over
all
of
them
and
then
we'll
come
back
to
to
the
comments,
the
the
Henry
Ross
property,
which
is
the
property
on
Florida
Avenue,
which
is
very
important
to
the
storm
water
system
out
there
and
to
help
us
with
some
flooding.
We
had
just
got
that
estimate
back.
G
It
comes
within
a
hundred
and
thirty
five
percent
of
the
appraised
value.
What
the
original
number
that
that
they
had
proposed
to
buy
it
for
700
000,
so
you
know
usually
an
offers
at
125,
but
we
have
asked
them
if
they
would
confirm
the
700
000,
because
it's
well
on
the
you
know
it's
it's
on.
It's
on
for
sale,
now,
I
think
at
1.1
million
you
see
the
appraisals
in
the
report,
but
maybe
even
by
next
being,
we
were
waiting
for
there.
G
We've
already
asked
them
and
we'll
see
what
they
come
back
with
and
you'll
see.
There's
an
item
on
Tuesday
night's
agenda.
That's
a
maybe
item
it's
on
there,
because
maybe
maybe,
for
instance,
on
some
of
these
properties
or
we
need
some
Direction.
They
may
say
they
accept
it
and
then
I'll
probably
be
bringing
to
you
to
get
your
decision.
If
you
want
to
go
forward
to
do
the
sales
contract
on
that,
but
it
came
very
close
to
if
we
were.
You
know
our
thoughts
of
offering
125
percent
their
figures
135.
G
So
we're
waiting
for
the
answer
on
that
one.
So
that
might
be
the
first
one
that
that
we
get
to
you
on
and
again
that's
a
very
we've
had
several
people
come
to
inquire
to
us
about
building
trying
to
fit
some
homes
on
that
property.
If
you
noticed
on
Florida
Avenue
with
Henry
Ross
things,
you
know,
you're
sticking
a
bunch
of
homes
in
the
middle
of
nice
land
that
that
we
need
to
preserve,
and
especially
when
the
preservation
of
that
land
is
going
to
help
us
with
storm
water.
G
So
we
don't
want
these,
these
four
three
or
four
houses,
or
what
they're
trying
to
some
developers
who
looking
inquiring
before
they
make
an
offer
on
it,
they're
really
bad
uses
of
that
land
off
there.
So
so,
hopefully,
the
other
thing
is
to
take
it
off
the
market
for
that
happening
and
losing
some
more
preserved
land
and
plus
it's
such
a
benefit
to
those
residents
out
there
for
storm
water.
G
If
they
come
back
and
with
that
700
000
offer,
I
will
be
bringing
it
to
you
to
consider
to
put
on
a
referendum
item,
as
we
thought,
the
the
cacoras
park
property
came
back
at
160,
000
appraisal.
Again.
This
is
a
property,
if
you
know
I've
probably
been
negotiating
on
for
maybe
five
years
we
started
on
the
other
end
of
the
owner.
We
started
at
2.1
million
five
years
ago,
probably
three
years
ago,
we're
at
1.7
million.
G
We
advised
him
to
get
an
appraisal
and
bring
it
to
us
to
talk
further,
and
we
know
he
did
this
because
the
gentleman
we
were
trying
to
get
the
to
do
the
appraisal
on
it
said
he
couldn't
do
it
because
he'd
done
one
from
the
property
owner
which
never
came
to
us,
which
tells
me
it
might
have
said
the
same
thing
about
the
value
of
his
land
and
again
this
is
a
very
important
greens,
whatever
we
do
with
the
green
space
or
do
with
it
in
the
Sponge
Docks.
G
G
He
does
have
a
lawyer
that
is
speaking
to
us,
we're
dealing
with
his
claim
that
that
we
made
the
pro
the
property
useless,
because
we
changed
recently
the
status
of
it
to
Recreation
and
Renee
did
some
great
research
and
we're
way
back
30
years.
If
it
we
didn't
make
a
change
in
these
last
years
of
that
it's
been
30
years
or
more
we're
going
back.
That
has
been
that
the
claim
is,
he
doesn't
have
any
density
on
the
property
because
we
designated
as
resident
so
we've.
G
Given
that
to
the
lawyer
to
say
you
know,
your
point
is
not
valid,
although
it
may
be
the
negotiating
Point
to
bring
the
property
a
little
higher
than
we
think.
But
right
now
we've
made
the
the
200
000
offer,
which
is
125
percent
of
the
appraised
value
to
the
attorney,
we're
awaiting
hers
and
again
it's
possibly
something
we
could
have
the
answer
by
Tuesday
or
you
know
the
October
mean
the
importance
of
this
is
we
have
to.
G
We
have
to
get
these
items
the
ones
we've
talked
about
with
the
charter,
and
these
we
have
to
have
meetings
in
November,
especially
on
the
chart
to
two
readings
and
and
by
the
first
meeting
of
December.
G
We
have
to
pass
these
for
the
charter
language,
so
so
we
we
run
a
time
crunch
on
on
these
properties
and
stuff,
the
other
property,
the
spoil
site
property,
the
one
that
came
in
the
first
one
that
came
in
to
us,
because
we'd
ordered
it
a
little
earlier,
a
3.2
million
when
we've
talked
to
the
Stamos
family
and
their
number
is,
is
way
beyond
our
means.
In
the
five
million
dollar
area,
however,
we've
talked
the
mayor
and
I
have
talked,
and
there
may
be
some
value
I'm
going
to
deal
with
Paul
Smith.
G
We
talked
about
the
issue
of
the
of
the
of
the
water
plan
and
more
solar.
They
may
there
may
be
some
interest
of
looking
and
seeing
if
we
can
get
a
portion.
Obviously
to
spend
big
money
like
into
two
three
millions
for
the
permanent
spoil
site
would
be
something
to
do,
but
maybe
there's
another
use
of
the
city.
We
may
want
a
smaller
piece
and
again
one
of
the
things
is
they
plan
on
possibly
moving
their
business
there
and
stuff.
G
So,
but
right
now,
it's
priced
out
of
our
our
league
and
we've
discussed
it
so,
but
again,
I
still
want
to
come
back
to
you.
Maybe
if
we've
got
some
other
ideas
and
they're
willing
for
what
they
want
to
do
with
the
property.
If
there's,
maybe
some
portions
that
we
could
utilize,
maybe
for
addition
or
solar
field,
maybe
for
something
else.
G
So
we're
going
to
still
look
at
that
and
get
back
with
you
and
again
I'll
open
it
now
in
all
of
those
for
any
comments
or
or
questions
that
I
just
want
to
give
you
the
update,
where
we
are
so
far,
especially
that
this
is
another
item
again
the
chorus
Park.
If
it
goes
under
the
350,
it
doesn't
have
to
go
to
referendum,
but
definitely
the
definitely
the
Ross
property
any
of
these
other
properties.
We
have
that's,
probably
the
only
piece
of
property
and
then
the
only
other
thing
I
want
to
do.
G
I
I
do
want
to
bring
up
and
to
talk
a
little
bit
here
about
there's
that
piece
of
land
on
mirrors
we
had
it
and
I
was
going
to
bring
it
tonight,
but
I
I
forgot
it's
not
the
the
CVS
corner,
which
I
call
it
the
mirrors
and
the
the
North
West
corner.
G
But
it's
that
property
along
mirrors
that
people
keep
trying
to
put
some
townhouses
on
between
the
apartments
and
that
big
Square
property
that
they're
trying
to
develop
for
whatever
that
they
have
the
development
rights
for
there's
a
possibility
of
of.
In
some
preliminary
talks.
It
was
on
our
list
of
possibly
getting
that
for
under
the
referendum
value
it's
it's
up
now
for
475
000,
but
there
has
been
some
indications
that
some
people
are.
G
You
know
that
there
is
some
problems
with
working
out
the
town
homes
on
that
property
or
people
trying
to
look
at
it.
There
are
some
problems,
but
that
would
be
depending
on
what
we
could
talk
about
under
I.
Just
may
want
to
pursue
a
little
further.
If,
if
the
board
has
some
interest
in
it,
if
they
don't,
you
know
if
they
don't
that's
fine
I
just
want
that.
That's
brand
new
that
that
we
got.
E
G
I'll
send
it
to
you
tomorrow
in
case
we
got
to
talk
about
it.
There's
that
corner
piece,
the
corner
piece
that
mirrors
an
alternate
19.:
okay,
on
the
on
the
northwest
corner,
there's
a
big
square
piece
where
you
know
they're
going
to
build
something
on
that's
something.
F
G
E
G
G
Yeah
down
the
way
people
are
trying
to
market
and
come
to
us
with
sticking
in
some
Town
Homes
along
there,
which
they
can
probably
do,
but
it
has
challenges
and
stuff
to
it.
So
challenges
yeah.
So
we
could
sit
by
and
hope,
there's
so
many
big
challenges,
nobody
develop
and
do
it
or
we
could
look
at
depending
on
the
price
behind
it
and
then
making
it
a
preserve.
G
Across
from
the
tennis
courts
that
strip
along
you
got
the
square
and
then
you've
got
a
long
strip
along
the
canals
and
yeah
and
I'm
sure
The
Preserve
ways
you
know
owns
that
right,
I
found
out
I
found
out
this
way.
It
made
me
CR
I,
wanted
it
badly
and
then
I
found
out
who
owned
it
made
me
cringe,
and
we
know
why.
C
G
I
I
saw
that
and
I
inquired
if
it
was
the
same,
and
it
is
okay,
yes,
I
know:
okay,
so
I
just
wanted
to
bring
that
just
just
bring
that
up.
I
don't
have
a
lot
of
information
on
it.
G
Know
those
weren't
the
corner.
We
even
acquired
again
on
the
corner:
the
1.5
million
for
sale.
Now
that
we
haven't
seen
very
good
ideas
of
projects
going
on
that
corner,
but
but
they've
indicated
they're
not
talk,
they
don't
want
to
talk
to
us
now
now
now,
which
corner
is
this?
The
the
full
Northwest
called
the
big
Square
in
the
front
where
the.
G
But
we
did
inquire
back
when
we
heard
about
the
other
one
being
open
too
and
they're
not
they're,
still
trying
but
they're,
not
having
a
lot
of
success
in
some
of
their
Endeavors.
That's
why
it's
still
sitting
for
sale
so
made
me
want
to
wait
on
him
and.
A
Look
at
but
let's
take
it
down
the
line,
Vice
Maryland.
Do
you
have
any
questions
or
comments.
F
Well,
I'm
not
making
the
deal
here,
but
I
mean
the
one
at
the
Sponge
Docks
I
would
be
in
favor
of
East
Florida.
We
do
need
to
try
to
see
what
we
can
do
with
that,
because
that
is
very
important,
because
if
we
lose
it
there's
nothing
you
can
do
with
the
storm
water.
F
The
3.2
is
at
about
price
range
and
you
know
I
mean
I,
don't
know
we
could
use
it,
but
you
know
it's
got
to
be
negotiable,
more
negotiable
than
that
and
I
know.
You
don't
want
me
to
make
any
comment
on
that
strip
of
land,
because
I
know
the
real
deal
behind
it.
G
B
I
think
the
the
Henry
Ross
property
is
something
we
should
look
into
for
referendum
as
well
as
a
concourse
Park.
If
we
could
get
it
for
that
price,
ask
that
would
be
a
blessing
I'll
just
leave
it
at
that
and
spoil
cider
I'm,
not
unsure.
Just
unsure
of
I
know
stats
worked
hard
on
potential.
Third,
you
know
property
for
a
third
boat
ramp.
Have
we
made
any
progress
with
it
that.
G
That's
the
one,
that's
the
one
that
we
don't
have
yet
the
one
appraisal
we
don't
have
yet.
Okay,
we're
waiting
for.
We
knew
this,
the
stall
for
site.
We
knew
that
was
going
to
be
the
most
complicated,
all
the
appraisals,
and
we
just
got
these
two
which
are
less
common.
We
just
got
these
the
end
of
last
week,
so
I'm
hoping
we
promised
to
get.
We
were
promised
to
try
to
get
it
before
the
you
know
in
mid
beginning
mid-september,
and
when
we
knew
we
were
a
couple
weeks
behind.
G
So
you
know
I'm
hoping
this
week
early.
That's
why
I've
got
an
item
on
the
agenda
for
Tuesday
in
case
it
comes
in,
and
I
can
add
that
discussion
with
you
Tuesday
night
I've
got
a
just
in
case
agenda
item
ready
to
to
talk
to
you
about,
but
that's
that's
the
quote
of
the
of
the
talk
about
possible
the
possible
boat
ramp
site.
That
estimate
out
there,
the
one
appraisal
that
we
don't
have
yet
of
the
appraisals
we've
asked
for.
G
So,
and
we
also
we've
also
got-
we've
also
got
attorney
working
on
the
riparian
rights,
the
water
rights
that
it
was
noted
the
last
time
that
we
don't
have
so
we're
waiting
for
that
piece
too
and
again
it.
This
is
all
complex,
not
easy
or
appraisals
like
this
one
that
that's
what's
complicating
this
appraisal
and
with
the
with
the
doubling
time
log
of
regular
ones
and
coming
close
to
the
Charter
thing
that
that's
the
challenges
of
of
of
these
appraisals
and
especially
that
one
for
the
potential
site
for
a
boat
ramp.
Okay,.
B
Realistically,
if
this
board
said
you
know,
let's
let
the
voters
decide
how
many
of
these
properties
could
be
on
referendum.
G
Right
now,
I'm
only
only
thinking,
I'm
only
thinking
the
the
Ross
property,
okay.
A
G
G
It
may
be
we
we
made
the
thing
we
don't
even
want
to
talk
until
we
hear
a
price
under
the
threshold,
and
we
haven't
heard
that
price.
Yet
so
I
just
want
to
make
aware
that
that
been
talked
to
us
about,
and
since
it
was
on
on
the
list
that
commissioner
Carr
had
that's.
Why
I
wanted
to
bring
that
forward,
because
so
you're
going
to
follow.
A
G
A
Yeah,
okay,
yes,
go
ahead!
Commission
careers
was
there
anything
I
have
no
more
questions.
Okay,
thank
you.
The
Ross
for
sure
it's
it's
beautiful
out
there
on
Florida,
Avenue
I
think
we
need
to
preserve
that
land
if
it
works
for
storm
water,
that's
great
Mr,
Ross
and
his
family.
The
hold
leaves
have
been
a
fixture
in
this
community
forever
and
I
think
he
actually
asked
if
we
would
be
interested
and
would
prefer
the
city
to
own
it
and
preserve
it
rather
than
homes
being
built
on
a
Zachariah.
G
A
The
staffer
wait
for
the
the
price
to
come
back
for
that,
but
there's
still
a
little
homework.
That
has
to
be
done
that
one,
you
know,
depending
on
the
price
I
I
I've
already
briefly
mentioned
it
to
a
couple
of
the
County
Commissioners
and
my
courtesy
call
to
them.
When
I
became
elected
and
I'm
going
to
go,
I
would
go
back
to
them
with
hat
in
hand
see
if
they
would
participate,
not
just
in
purchase
of
the
land
but
maybe
establishing
a
boat
ramp
as
well.
A
It's
a
beautiful
piece
of
property
unless
something's
changed
it's
it's
another
one
of
these
things,
that's
under
contract
and
don't
ask
about
the
it's
one
of
these
Mysteries
that
people
from
the
county
don't
know
what
that
contract
is
we
don't
know
what
that
contract
is.
There's
not
been
any
inquiries
at
the
county
are
here
at
the
city
as
far
as
what
you
can
do
with
that
property,
but
in
all
honesty
that
may
be
one
of
those
things
if
it
comes
back
reasonably
and
because
of
our
deficiency
in
boat
ramps.
A
That
may
be
something
that
we
would
want
to
discuss
taking
the
property
through
condemnation.
Now
I
know
previous
boards
have
been
reluctant
or
shy
about
doing
that.
I'm,
not
that's
the
only
way
we
got
the
library
built
downtown.
That's
the
only
way
we
got
Live
Oak
Street
through,
and
it
was
very
it
wasn't
a
adversarial
situation.
A
It
was
done
with
with
kind
hands
and
walking
everybody
through
that,
and
they
also
had
a
choice
of
either
selling
the
property
or
or
going
through
the
the
process
of
a
taking
and
some
sold
it
some
decided
to
do
a
taking
and
they
felt
that
they
would
get.
They
would
benefit
better
that
way,
but
it
wasn't
an
adversarial
relationship.
A
We
didn't
have
anybody
up
here,
yelling
at
us
from
the
podium
or
anything
like
that
and
and
the
Stauffer
site
is
owned
by
Seneca,
which
is
a
conglomerate
and
I'm,
not
sure
that
that
would
be
a
big
deal
to
them,
but
that
may
be
something
that
we'd
have
to
explore.
The
Concourse
parcel
is
something
that's
been
on:
the
City's
radar,
the
resonance
radar
for
a
very
long
time
that
used
to
be
a
park
or
for
30
years
through
the
the
family's
generosity
it
was
available
to
the
city
at
no
cost.
I
believe
is
that
right?
A
No,
no!
So
at
some
point
in
the
past
that
changed
we
are.
We
have
a
deficiency
in
many
parks
in
our
comprehensive
plan.
So
that
is
justification
if
we
need
to
to
do
a
taking
in
front
of
a
judge
also
going
back
to
the
staffer
site.
If
anything
moved
in
that
direction,
we'd
have
to
have
a
site
plan
as
well
to
do
that
before
the
judge
we'd
actually
have
to
have
a
plan
to
show
him
what
we
have
in
mind.
A
So
those
things
that
the
city
manager
identified
as
far
as
Crossing
keys
and
eyes
with
repairing
rights.
Commissioner
Eisner
I
think
you
own
a
boat,
maybe
going
out
there
with
a
PVC
pipe
and
checking
that
out
sometimes
and
see
what
the
water
depth
is
and
if
I
don't
get
a
chance
to
do
that
first.
So
that
would
be
very
helpful.
A
So
I
wanted
to
talk
about
those.
The
spoil
Pond
I
want
to
make
sure
the
residents
understand
we're
not
giving
up
on
the
spoil
Pond
something
for
the
having
the
the
federal
Channel
perpetuity
available
for
for
putting
the
spoils
there
from
The
Dredge.
That
location
is
just
extremely
expensive.
There's
some
lower
areas
we're
going
to
have
to
do
some
exploration
and
maybe
find
a
parcel.
There
are
other
Parcels
they're
low
residences
are
going
to
be
expensive
to
be
built
there,
because
they'd
have
to
be
built
up
out
of
the
flood
plain.
A
We
don't
need
to
worry
about
that
with
regard
to
disposal
ponds,
so
there
may
be
some
other
options.
We've
never
really
explored
that
because
this
one
has
always
been
available
since
the
mid
90s.
So
we
need
to
do
a
little
more
work.
The
issue,
the
idea
behind
the
RO
plant
that
the
city
manager
mentioned
a
few
call
the
last
discussion
and
the
approval
of
the
solar
panels.
A
There
were
a
couple
of
questions
that
came
up
as
far
as
whether
there
was
room,
in
other
words,
making
the
water
plant
independent
solar,
sustain
the
plant
and
just
on
solar
itself
and
Mr
Smith
said
well.
We
don't
have
any
more
room
for
putting
solar
panels
so
I.
You
know
it's
just
a
quick
question:
the
city
manager.
Let's
you
know,
we've
done
the
appraisal.
A
I
know
the
Stamos
family
may
be
willing
to
work
with
us,
not
on
the
entire
site,
but
but
it
may
be
something
to
think
about
and
talk
to
them
a
little
bit
and
come
back
to
you
about
that.
If,
if,
if
our
staff
feels
that
that
might
be
something
that
we
would
need
in
the
future
and
you're
right,
if
the
price
is
too
high,
the
price
is
too
high.
We
also
have
that
strip
of
land
across
the
street
that
we
have
just
down
the
road
that
we
purchased
for.
A
That's
an
option
too,
so
it
wouldn't
just
be
for
the
sake
of
buying
land
the,
and
then
you
mentioned
the
the
strip
that
you're
going
to
explore
that
a
little
more
okay
as
far
as
the
as
far
as
the
referendum
right
now
would
just
be,
maybe
two
no
more
than
three
of
these
that
would
have
to
go
to
referendum.
Okay,
we'll
learn
more
about
that
as
we
go.
Yes,
is
there
any
objection
for
the
city
manager
to
continue
working
these
properties
and
providing
you
information,
as
as
we
go
along,
not.
E
A
Okay,
let
me
see
now
all
right
well
that
any
comments
on
any
of
these
two
items:
okay,
let's
go
to
board
and
staff
comments,
Chief
young,
any
comments.
A
Sir
okay
city
manager,
of
course,
no.
G
A
You
vice
mayor
Lord,.
E
I,
you
know
we
have
a
lot
of
things
to
consider
here.
It's
about
a
property
I'm
for
the
city
manager,
I'm,
going
to
investigate
all
the
ones
that
we've
discussed.
E
There's
another
piece
of
property
on
the
and
I'm
going
to
blow
this
as
far
as
Direction,
because
I'm
Direction
challenge
the
South
West
corner
of
Martin,
Luther,
King
and
Safford,
which
is
currently
vacant
I,
think
because
they
transferred
density
to
the
apartment
building
across
the
street
when
they
built
it.
I,
don't
really
know
what
the
density
is
left
on
that
property.
E
But
it
seems
to
me
that
when
we
do
things
like
this-
and
we
have
this
perfect
piece
of
property-
that's
along
the
gateway
to
our
town.
As
far
as
the
Pinellas
Trail
is
concerned,
we
should
maybe
investigate
what
might
be
done
with
it
and
and
see
if
we
can
work
out
some
sort
of
arrangement
for
it
because
it
I
drive
by
it
regularly.
It's
a
gorgeous
piece.
E
G
Because
the
original
intention
was
to
do
a
phase
two
of
across
the
street
to
do
a
phase
two
there.
Maybe
the
distance
I'll
check
in
and
I
I.
Remember
the
thing
I
remember
it,
because
I
wanted
to
get
my
mom
at
a
time.
E
In
me,
one
place
a
brief
conversation
with
Renee
about
it
yeah,
and
she
brought
up
the
fact
that
it
was
kept
that
way
because
of
the
density
requirements.
But.
G
B
I
I
did
want
to
talk
about
I
know
we
talked
about
the
the
attorney
moving
forward
RFP
and
we
do
have
a
packed
meeting
coming
up
this
Tuesday.
When
is
the
proper
time
to
address
the
the
emails,
and
should
that
be
done
during
a
regular
session?
Should
that
be
done
during
a
special
meeting?
You
know,
because
that
could
take
some
time
in
itself
and
deciding
on
what
this
board
would
think.
A
G
Go
ahead,
yeah
yeah,
that
that
is
going
to
be
on
the
on
the
27th,
both
both
both
temporary
ideas
and
and
the
RFP
I
can
tell
you.
We
find
the
found
a
very
good
one
recently
done
on
the
other
coast
of
a
smaller
city.
That
is
she
we
had.
We
had
a
mess,
she
had
a
good
method,
but
she
found
the
better
one.
So
that'll
have
done.
G
The
agenda
has
been
the
agenda's
been
paired
down
to
accommodate
all
the
items
that
are
on
there,
including
the
email,
so
I
think
with
the
pairing
down
I,
don't
think,
especially
if,
if
everybody
gives
us
and
staff
calls
early
about
the
other
items
on
the
agenda,
to
do
I
think
it's
paired
down
enough
to
handle
those
at
the
at
the
meeting
Tuesday
night
again.
That's
why
I
sent
the
reminder.
We
put
some
things
out
early
about
the
backup
commissioner.
G
Probably
yeah,
you
probably
didn't,
because
we've
been
working
on
it,
trying
to
pare
it
down.
It'll
come
out
tomorrow,
but
but
you'll
see
on
the
agenda.
Well,
you
won't
see
the
things
we
paired
away
because
you
don't
see
them,
but
you'll
see
the
items
on
there
will
accommodate
everything
that
everything
that
is
is
on
there,
especially
if
we
get
you
know
the
information
of
some
of
the
items
that
may
have
some
questions
and
we
get
those
questions.
G
The
staff
before
the
meeting
I
think
we'll
be
able
to
make
it
through
the
meeting
with
how
to
structure.
We
went
over
that
with
the
mayor
to
see
on
the
timing
of
it.
B
Well,
I
I
didn't
know
how
the
discussion
was
going
to
go
from
from
my
opinion,
I
think
it
could
be,
as
you
know,
a
long
discussion
depending
on
what's
red,
what's
not
what's
put
into
the
record
and
so
I
don't
know.
If
that's
you
know
some
of
our
meetings,
just
just
all
the
regular
agendas
takes
two
to
three
hours
so
that
could
easily
take
two
hours
at
least
so
I
I
didn't
know
the
direction
of
the
board.
B
You
know
what
you
guys
thought
if
needed,
to
have
a
a
separate
meeting
just
to
go
over
it
all
and
just
address
it.
What.
A
What
we
could
do
is
this
city
manager
gave
me
kind
of
the
tentative
agenda
this
evening
and
there's
several
there's,
not
several.
There's
a
couple
of
staff
presentations.
There's
the
stormwater
presentation
that
we
need
to
do.
I
know
that
city
managers
been
basically
telling
that
telling
the
staff
to
keep
that
down
to
a
minimum,
I'm,
hoping
maybe
10,
minutes
or
15
minutes
at
most
and
right
now,
I,
don't
see
that's
going
to
take
a
great
deal
of
time.
The
the
City
attorney
thing
I
would
suspect.
That's
going
to
be
fairly
straightforward.
G
We
got
good
temporary
measures
and
and
the
good
plan
for
going
forward
that
you'll,
see
and
you'll
see
in
the
back
of
where
we're
finishing
up
this
evening
and
we're
going
to
finish
up
in
the
morning,
you'll
see
the
backup
on
this
thing.
You'll,
be,
you
know,
you'll
see
us,
you
know
it's
not
as
complicated
as
I
was
worried.
It
could
be
okay.
A
What
what
we
can
do
is
just
give
it
a
try.
I
understand
what
you're
saying
the
the
email
issue
could
be
somewhat
of
a
an
involved
discussion,
not
just
for
the
commission,
but
for
residents
as
well.
The
problem
is,
we,
don't
really
have
any
other
meetings.
G
G
So
we
had
to
move
it
up
to
today
because
we
had
no
other
place
to
go
and-
and
we
want
to
have
a
full
commission
when
we
we
deal
with
that
issue.
So
that's
why
that's
why
I
rearranged
the
meeting
for
the
27,
so
we
can
handle
because
there's
just
nor
they
we'd
be
in
the
mid
mid
October
for
another
date
would
open
up
the
availability
of
a
full
commission.
So
that's
another
reason
that
that
would
have
been
a
thought
to
do
that
on
a
separate
meeting.
G
There's
just
not
there's
not
just
not
debate
date
available
and
that's
something
they
can't
wait,
two
or
three
weeks
to
go.
So
so.
We've
tried
to
accommodate
this
meeting
here
and
move
some
items
to
the
11th
October
11th
that
we
were
going
to
cover
that
night.
Again,
we've
shortened
our
presentations
up
on
some
of
the
items.
That's
why
it's
important
on
the
storm
water
thing
and
stuff
to
call
get
with
get
with.
G
You
know
get
with
our
staff
ahead
of
time,
because
the
time
will
be
in
your
questioning,
it's
not
going
to
be
in
the
presentations
and
the
staff.
It'll
be
a
question,
any
questions
you
can
get
answered
before
the
process
before
we
get
into
the
meeting
and
stuff
that'll
cut
those
times
and
I.
Think
if
that's
done,
we'll
we'll
we'll
be
able
to
make
it
and
there's
really
no
other
day
to
to
move
it
to
before.
We
have
a
problem
with
having
a
full
commission.
Okay,
thank
you.
A
Okay,
I
I,
the
in
looking
in
the
agenda,
we'll
we'll
see
how
it
goes,
I
mean
the
two
items
that
I
think
are
going
to
be,
the
the
most
the
other
ones
are
just
going
to
be
sitting
listing
and
understanding
what's
being
presented.
Those
are
the
presentations.
Those
are
simple.
A
There
may
be
some
resident
comments
on
those,
but
the
two
that
are
going
to
be
complicated
and
maybe
Ms
Lewis,
and
once
we
see
the
backup
we'll
be
very
comfortable
with
that
would
be
the
attorney
issue
and
I'm
hoping
what
we'll
do
is
rather
than
jumping
into
something,
perhaps
setting
up
some
interim
Services
first
and
then
doing.
C
A
A
That's
an
agenda
item
that
commissioner
Eisner
had
requested,
he's
going
to
basically
take
the
lead
on
that
and
and
I'm
sure
the
other
Commissioners
will
have
something
to
say
as
well.
I'm
sure
a
number
of
the
residents
will
have
something
to
say
as
well
and
and
what
I
was
going
to
tell
you
it
isn't
going
to
be
a
it
isn't
going
to
be
one
of
these
8
30
or
9
o'clock
meetings.
It's
going
to
probably
take
us
all
the
way
to
11
o'clock.
A
My
only
concern
is
that
and
I
shared
this
with
the
city
manager.
Is
that
the
email
discussion
is
we
get
to
it
early
enough
to
where
people
either
are
still
here,
or
they
still
hear
what
the
commissioner's
comments
are,
knowing
that
the
video
could
be
replayed
at
any
time
in
the
future?
But
it's
still
you
know
the
key
would
be
not
to
have
it
too
late
where
people
want
to
make
a
comment,
but
they
can't
make
a
comment
because
they've
gone
home,
it's
way
past
I.
E
E
So
if
we
can
get
that
agenda
item
as
early
in
the
agenda
as
possible,
we
know
that
we
get
people
in
here
and
by
nine
o'clock
they're
wearing
out.
So.
A
Well,
let
me
let
me
ask
you
this:
what
are
the
thoughts
about
starting
a
little
earlier.
F
A
Yeah
but
no
I
understand
I
was
going
to
say,
never
mind
there,
the
the
let's
just
start
on
time
and
then
we'll.