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B
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B
This
board
of
commission
and
city
staff
grant
them
wisdom
and
knowledge
as
they
make
decisions,
let
their
work
be
for
the
good
of
all
citizens
and
visitors,
as
this
country
has
just
reflected
on
the
events
of
9
11
21
years
ago.
We
pray,
especially
for
the
police
and
fire
departments,
keep
them
safe
as
they
protect
us.
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A
Okay,
before
we
get
started,
I've
got
a
couple
of
announcements
we
have
with
us
this
evening.
Mr
randy
mora
of
trastagnal
he's
filling
in
for
mr
trask
as
our
city
attorney.
I'd
also
like
to
announce
items
19
and
25
will
be
deferred.
Item
19
is
to
request
to
negotiate
a
development
agreement,
hp
capital,
and
this
has
got
to
do
with
an
82
unit
apartment
complex
along
distant
south
distance
and
mango
street.
A
Actually,
this
item
was
caught
by
vice
mayor
lund.
As
far
as
having
a
question
on
it,
he
presented
that
to
to
the
planting
director
and
she
decided
it
was
best
to
to
defer
it.
I
think
this
is
the
second
or
third
that
vice
mirror.
Lunt
has
done,
although
I'm
beginning
to
wonder
whether
he's
doing
it
just
to
short,
the
agendas.
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A
E
Thank
you,
mayor,
thank
you,
city,
councilman
and,
of
course,
city
manager,
mark
lacours.
I
appreciate
all
your
support
over
the
years.
I
came
tonight
because
I
just
wanted
to
bring
to
your
attention
and
overview
of
our
agency.
I
hope
that
the
supportive
documentation
that
I
provided
into
the
packet
was
very
helpful.
E
I
think
it's
really
important
to
to
look
at
the
track
record
of
our
housing
authority.
In
the
hud
world.
We
are
considered
a
small
agency,
they're
small,
medium
and
large.
They
make
it
pretty
simple
and
I
think
that's
because
everything
else
that
hud
does
is
very,
very
complicated,
but
as
a
small
housing
authority
in
such
a
special
city
here
in
tarpon
springs,
we've
been
able
to
comp
accomplish
a
great
deal.
E
As
I
mentioned
1965,
that
was
a
really
really
long
time
ago,
and
so,
like
our
own
homes
and
our
businesses,
they
age
and
so
over
the
years.
It
was
really
important
to
our
commissioners
to
make
sure
that
the
homes
that
the
residents
were
living
in
and
the
properties
were
safe
and
high
quality
and
beautiful
and
some
place
that
they
could
be
proud
of.
E
This
was
very
difficult
to
to
do
over
the
years
very,
very
difficult,
but
by
working
with
hud
they
have
a
number
of
different
repositioning
programs,
and
so
what
our
leadership
of
the
commission
charged
staff
to
do
like
myself
is
to
pursue
repositioning
programs
and
examples
of
that
is
section
8
programs
instead
of
public
housing,
low
income,
tax,
credit
programs,
rental
assistance,
programs.
E
These
are
all
various
programs
and
the
reason
why
is
so
that
an
agency
can
number
one
provide
the
residents
more
options,
more
subsidy
options
and
more
mobility
with
their
assistance,
but
also
a
way
for
the
agency
to
invest
in
the
assets
and
make
them
bigger
and
better
and
oftentimes
be
able
to
create
more
apartments
like
we
did
recently
with
with
eagle
ridge.
So,
unfortunately,
we
had
mango
circle
for
so
many
years,
and
it
was
really
really
difficult
for
us
to
pursue
repositioning,
but
we
finally
accomplished
it.
E
I
want
to
thank
the
city
councilman
for
coming
out
to
our
special
ribbon-cutting
ceremony
and
and
mark
and
reverend
he
did
our
special
prayers
and
blessings
over
the
property.
Over
the
years
we've
been
able
to
do
three.
Nine
percent
tax
credit
developments.
E
The
first
one
was
oak
ridge
estates
that
is
65
apartments
located
in
two
different
locations
in
tarpon
springs,
and
that
is
65
family
family
units
that
was
in
2010..
In
2015.
E
We
were
able
to
do
another,
complete,
very
thorough
renovation
for
the
villages
of
tarpon,
and
this
is
95
apartments
dedicated
to
residents
that
are
55
and
up.
That
was
our
second
nine
percent,
nine
percent
tax
credit
property.
Then
we
had
mango
so
all
the
years
we
were
trying
to
get
mango
done.
We
got
oak
ridge
and
the
villages
done
and
finally,
we
were
able
to
get
the
tax
credit
award
for
mango
circle
to
be
demolished
and
our
new
eagle
ridge
apartments
to
be
built.
E
At
that
time
we
were
also
able
to
add
additional
apartments,
so
it
was
originally
56
and
it
became
71
and
if
you
all
have
not
been
out
to
see
eagle
ridge
apartments,
please
do
so
it
is.
I
see
it
as
a
gift
to
the
city,
it
has
changed
the
landscape
and
the
footprint,
and
I
think
it's
something
that
all
tarpon
residents
should
be
very
very
proud
of.
E
This
property
is
helping
uplift
these
families
and
and
raise
the
children
so
that
they
can
temporarily
have
housing
assistance
and
then
move
on
to
bigger
and
better
for
themselves.
With
that
with
that
financial
support,
so
do
we
have
any
public
housing
yet
left?
Yes,
we
do.
We
have
71
public
housing
apartments
remaining
they're
in
the
public
housing
program.
E
Our
commission
had
just
has
decided
on
the
streamline
voluntary
conversion
program
and
basically,
what
that
is
is
an
expedited
process
to
make
sure
that
all
of
our
current
residents
are
going
to
be
gifted
a
section
8
voucher
when
they
find
this
out
there
they're
going
to
be
elated,
it's
really
difficult
to
get
a
section,
8,
voucher
and
they're
going
to
be
really
really
happy
and
and
what
will
happen
with
them?
Well,
it's
basically
stay
move
or
wait.
They
can
stay
in
the
apartment
with
their
new
section,
8
voucher.
E
They
can
move
to
a
different
apartment
that
accepts
section
8.
and
by
the
way,
all
the
section
8
vouchers
are
going
to
come
from
the
pinellas
county
housing
authority.
They
are
the
local
administrator
and
then
their
other
option
is
to
wait
now
if
they
decide
to
move
right
away
with
their
section,
8
voucher,
the
tarpon
springs.
Housing
authority
will
pay
for
all
of
their
moving
expenses.
E
If
they
decide
to
take
their
section
8
voucher
at
a
later
time,
one
year,
two
year,
three
years
down
the
road,
then
yes,
they
will
automatically
receive
the
section
8
voucher,
but
they
will
not
have
all
their
expenses
paid
moving
expenses.
So
really
it's
a
win-win-win
for
the
residents.
What
does
it
do
for
our
housing
authority?
It
will
increase
the
amount
of
capital
fund
income
that
we
receive
from
hud.
E
An
example
for
you
is
that
this
year
we
are
receiving
a
hundred
and
thirty
four
thousand
dollars
in
capital
funds
for
all
of
our
71
apartments,
134
000.
What
can
you
do
with
that?
A
couple
roofs
right,
some
landscaping,
some
irrigation
downspouts,
but
not
too
much.
We
have
many
residents
that
are
starting
to
process
out
and
they're
moving
on
and
they've
been
in
the
unit
for
20
25
30
years,
and
those
units
need
a
lot
of
work.
E
134
000
could
probably
just
go
into
one
unit,
so
that's
going
to
be
very
helpful
to
have
a
boost
in
income
for
our
housing
authority.
But,
most
importantly,
it
really
distresses
me,
when
I
find
out
about
residents
that
they
will
not
have
housing
assistance
if
they
move
out
of
their
public
housing
apartment
they'll
have
to
start
from
the
beginning.
E
So
our
commission
has
charged
me
to
expedite
this
process
with
hud,
which
is
a
little
bit
of
an
oxymoron,
but
you
know
I
will.
I
will
forge
through
being
the
grant
writer
that
I
am
and
I
and
I
am
very,
very
confident
I
know
other
housing
authorities
have
done
this
repositioning
and
it's
been
very
successful.
E
So
our
commission
is
also
looking
forward
to
getting
into
other
affordable
housing
opportunities.
I
have
no
idea
what
that
looks
like
if
the
county
were
to
approach
us
and
say
listen.
We
have
this
land
and-
and
we
know
your
track
record-
it's
going
to
be
a
procurement
and
a
solicitation,
but
do
you
want
to
apply
to
build
a
public
heart?
Excuse
me
not
public
section
8,
affordable
housing
on
the.
E
If
we,
if
we
give
the
land
to
the
deal,
we
will
say
absolutely
yes,
so
those
are
the
kinds
of
things
if
there's
other
land
opportunities
that
we
can
come
across,
we
will
look
into
that
and
the
other
thing
about
that
is
because
our
housing
authority
does
not
have
millions
in
reserves.
E
A
way
for
us
to
purchase
land
will
be
to
leverage
our
section
8
housing
program
with
a
bank
and
get
our
own
loan
and
so
forth
to
to
purchase
land
to
do
this
type
of
development,
so
local
community
housing
corporation.
I
know
my
time
is
probably
ending
very
shortly
here,
so
I
just
wanted
to
mention
that
our
tarpon
springs.
Housing
authority
also
has
a
very
vigorous,
successful,
non-profit
501c3
and
that's
called
local
community
housing
corporation.
E
Most
of
you
know
the
program
programs
that
we
have,
such
as
the
cops
and
kids
youth
center
and
home
share,
pinellas.
Very
simply,
home
share
pinellas.
What
is
it?
It
is
working
with
residents
of
pinellas
county
that
have
a
home
anywhere
in
the
county
that
may
have
changed
in
their
number
of
family
members
in
their
homes,
so
they
they
purchased
a
home.
They
took
care
of
this
home,
they
invested
in
it
and
they've
lived
there
for
many
years,
if
not
decades,
but
now
they're
living
alone.
E
In
this
two
or
three
or
four
bedroom
home,
we
have
homeowners
and
home
share
pinellas
that
have
a
home
on
tier
verde
and
they
would
like
somebody
to
come
in
and
rent
a
room.
We
also
have
people
that
have
a
mobile
home
and
they're
it's
a
two
or
three
bedroom
mobile
home,
and
now
they
find
themselves
in
a
pretty
lonely
situation
that
they
would
love
the
companionship
of
a
renter.
E
The
average
rent
for
home
share
pinellas,
there's
no
cost.
There's
no
fees
associated
with
the
program
at
all.
The
average
rent
is
somewhere
between
550
to
750.,
which
is
about
half
of
market
rate
for
one
bedroom
apartment,
so
home
share.
Pinellas
is
a
great
program.
I
also
just
want
to
mention
that
I
just
got
word
from
pinellas
county
social
action
committee
that
homeshare
pinellas
was
awarded
51
thousand
dollars
to
cover
personnel
expenses
and
insurance
and
so
forth,
so
that
we
can
keep
that
program
going.
E
So
I'm
elated
that
we
got
county
funding
and
then,
of
course,
cops
and
kids
zoo
center.
I
want
to
share
with
you
a
recent
award
that
we
received,
and
many
of
you
know
about
it,
but
I
just
wanted
to
show
you
this
plaque,
the
national
campaign
for
grade
level.
Reading
we
submitted
an
application
that
included
all
the
dynamics
of
our
after
school
and
summer
camp
program,
and
we
were
awarded
one
of
the
top
20
finalists
across
the
nation
for
amazing
after
school
programming.
E
So
I'm
I'm
so
proud
of
the
staff
amazing
tenured
staff
we
take
care
of
75
youth,
most
of
them
live
in
public
housing
or
very,
very
low
income
housing
in
the
community,
so
cops
and
kids
youth
center.
I
can't
say
enough
about
this
man
here,
chief
young.
He
is
my
partner,
and
I
am
I
know
he
has.
My
back
makes
me
tear
up
a
little
bit
because
I
know,
if
anything
would
ever
happen.
He
would
be
right
there
to
give
me
advice
and
to
guide
me
and
we
we'd
do
it
together.
E
So
thank
you
so
much
for
welcoming
me
to
give
a
brief
overview
of
our
housing
authority.
I
thank
you
for
your
appointments
and
commissioners.
They
are
amazingly
talented
and
they
have
so
much
heart
and
they've
really
supported
all
of
our
staff
through
all
the
ebbs
and
flows
through
the
years.
I
welcome
any
questions
that
you
have,
but
I
know
your
your
time
is
sacred.
Also.
A
Thank
you,
ms
red.
I
I
have
a
question
for
you:
501c3,
which
means
that
people
can
contribute
money.
Oh.
E
A
E
A
Simple
and
the
the
other
and
your
phone
number.
A
The
you
mentioned
71
apartments
that
were
available.
I
may
have
missed
that.
Is
that
eagle
ridge
that
we're
talking
about
or
is
that
the
old
number.
E
Ridge,
oak
ridge
and
the
villages,
those
are
already
repositioned
properties
and
and
they're
all
except
section,
8
vouchers,
and
then
our
remaining
public
housing
does
not
accept
section
8.
B
E
And
that's
one
of
the
things
every
single
monday,
I
get
a
report
of
how
many
vacancies
and
turnovers
we
have
and
we
normally
have
one
apartment.
That's
changing
over
to
a
new
resident.
We
never
have
vacancies,
there's
wait
list,
and
so
just
like
many
other
cities
and
counties
or
all
across
the
nation,
we
have
a
crisis.
We
had
a
crisis
before
the
pandemic.
E
There's
not
enough
housing
to
house
our
population,
that's
it.
We
need
more
apartments,
more
homes
and
more
options:
tiny
homes,
mobile
homes,
apartments
studios
above
retail.
You
know
when
I
look
at
downtown
tarpon
springs.
I
think
retail
on
the
bottom,
some
residences
on
the
top,
get
some
young
professionals
and
businesses
to
come
in
here
and
and
and
and
families
that
are
downsizing.
E
You
know
you've
got
very
professional
people
and
and
front
first
responders
that
live
all
over
the
county,
but
they
want
to
downsize.
It
would
be
nice
for
them
to
to
move.
You
know
the
the
last
couple
decades
of
their
life
to
move
to
tarpon
springs
and
have
a
nice
little
studio
apartment.
You
know
one
bedroom
apartment.
That
would
be
really
nice,
so
I
think
the
city
can
serve
everyone,
but
it's
got
to
be
creative
and
innovative
in
order
to
do
that,.
A
G
G
E
Yes,
we
hope
to
be
doing
some
more
work
here,
more
intimately
with
the
city,
because
we're
very
excited
about
the
commitment
to
help
us
build
a
new
cops
and
kids
youth
center.
We've
always
had
a
wait
list
and
we
don't
want
to
have
a
wait
list
and
we
want
to
bring
more
youth
in
and
more
diversity
within
our
program.
We
need
more
space
and
we
have
solid
funding
from
the
department
of
juvenile
justice
and
the
juvenile
welfare
board
to
serve
more
kids,
and
so,
let's,
let's
do
it
we're
excited
about
doing
that
in
the
future.
A
Thank
you
absolutely,
commissioner.
C
Thank
you
mayor.
Thank
you
robin.
I
also
am
110
behind
you.
I
just
enthused
with
your
enthusiasm
and
if
there's
anything
we
can
do
to
help.
I
really
would
like
to
sit
down
and
see
how
the
commission
and
the
city
can
help
you,
because
I
I
do
know
it's
getting
harder
and
harder
to
have
homes.
You
know,
and
everybody
deserves
a
warm
place
to
stay.
D
C
E
And
I
want
to
just
take
a
moment
to
thank
mark
lecours's
staff,
all
the
projects
that
we
have
done:
oak
ridge
and
the
villages
and
eagle
ridge.
E
There
are
many
many
staff
within
the
city
that
push
those
papers
and
code
enforcement
and
and
and
zoning-
and
I
mean
a
lot
of
volume,
of
work
that
that
tarpon
springs
housing
authority
has
created
for
the
staff
of
the
city,
and
I
I've
always
heard
amazing
things
about
their
support
and
turning
things
around
so
that
we
can
get
that
unit
filled
up,
but
it's
got
to
be
approved
and
inspected
and
and
the
fire
chief
too,
just
just
amazing.
E
A
Thank
you,
commissioner.
H
Hi
robin
thank
you
for
everything
you
do
from
oakridge,
the
eagle
ridge
and
what
they've
come
to
what
they
were
before,
and
I
had
the
pleasure
of
taking
someone
from
the
pinellas
community
foundation
over
to
the
cops
and
kids
center
and
it
was
perfect
time
all
the
kids
were
there
and
it
was
just
no
one
can
doubt
your
passion
and
enthusiasm
for
our
housing
authority.
So
thank
you.
I
A
J
J
J
It
was
on
sale
previously
by
owner,
but
now
it's
a
broker.
So
if
you
need
to
go
through
you're
going
to
end
up
having
to
pay
commissions,
but
I
was
thinking
with
the
arc
of
funds,
is
there
not
a
portion
that
can
be
done
for
affordable
housing
where
we
purchase
the
land,
transfer
the
housing
authority?
J
Okay,
well,
those
of
us
who
aren't
aware
of
that.
Thanks
for
the
update,
also
one
thing
that
I
was
curious
about
to
get
maybe
a
little
further
explanation
as
miss
redd
was
explaining
that
the
way
this
process
about
getting
these
other
people
section
8
vouchers
that
those
who
use
them
immediately
to
move
would
get
reimbursed.
But
those
later
wouldn't.
J
So.
My
question,
in
my
mind,
is:
what's:
why
is
there
an
incentive
to
get
people
moving
out
quicker
versus
later
and
what's
what's
the
advantage?
Is
it
free
at
more
units
for
fixing
up?
So
that
was
the
only
thing
I
kind
of
had
a
dichotomy
on,
because
on
one
you're
trying
to
get
the
residents
to
have
more
options,
but
it
sounded
like
you're
trying
to
incentivize
them
to
to
leave,
but
otherwise,
I
think,
with
the
housing
situation
we
have.
J
I
just
got
the
latest
business
observer,
500
facts
and
businesses
and
they
added
a
new
section
about
affordable
housing
and
what
ms
redd
mentioned
is
other
options
we
have
to
look
at.
I
know.
In
times
we've
talked
about
granny
houses,
houses
on
top
of
garages
and
to
me
manatee
village.
I
said
it,
then
that
was
a
perfect
opportunity
to
revitalize
that
area.
J
Take
it
out,
put
retail,
put
your
apartments
or
town
homes
on
the
top
that,
at
this
point
is
gone,
but
there's
other
areas
in
the
city
that
can
take
advantage
of
that.
So
I
hope
the
people
who
would
have
interest
in
doing
those
things
would
look
at
those
options
as
far
as
the
viability
of
increasing
the
affordable
housing
space
within
our
city.
Thank
you.
Thank.
D
Just
as
ms
robin
had
just
spoke
to
y'all
about
the
city
and
the
cops
and
kids
in
the
housing,
I'm
going
to
speak
to
you
concerning
the
african-american
community.
I'm
not
an
advocate
for
mark
lacours
at
all,
and
I
speak
for
myself
and
amongst
a
lot
of
other
people,
it's
270
people
had
hit
me
up
in
email.
It
was
brought
to
my
attention
because
I
hadn't
been
in
the
city
meetings
forever
and
they
said
that
we
was
looking
to
replace
and
get
a
new
city
manager.
D
So
I
asked
the
people
I
say
well,
what
is
the
problem?
What
is
mark
doing
what
is
happening?
It
came
to
my
attention,
they
said.
Well,
you
know
they
said
they
were
going
to
change
the
city
board
they're
going
to
just
change
some
stuff.
I
said
well
when
they
got
on
city
council,
that
was
to
change
they
wanted
to
vote.
They
moved
the
people
out
marcus
one
person,
but
many
people
answered
to
him.
So
I
went
around.
I
spoke
and
I
talked
to
people
and
I
do
want
everybody
to
understand.
D
D
You
may
not
get
what
you
want,
but
he's
going
to
be
accessible
to
you
he's
going
to
bring
it
to
the
attention.
So
I'm
just
saying
because
I
don't
know
when
you
hear
rumors,
you
address
it.
So
I
told
273
people
today
that
I'm
going
to
go
to
the
city.
I
can
bring
it
to
the
city
attention
that
if
we
have
a
problem
you
know
we
fix
it.
D
If
we
don't,
let's
not
just
move
a
person
and
say
just
for
change,
nobody's
going
to
be
in
a
position
in
a
job
for
10
12
years
and
not
make
a
mistake,
but
through
trial
and
error.
If
you
make
up-
and
you
learn
from
that
and
you
move
forward,
then
let's
not
hang
you
on
the
cross
and
punish
it
for
it.
We,
the
as
just
robin,
was
just
speaking
about
the
city.
I'm
going
to
speak
about
that.
D
We
over
there
we
didn't
see
mark
hit
the
grounds
walking
knocking
on
those
we
seen
when
things
went
right.
He
come
and
say:
hey
you
going
to
calm
down
we're
going
to
do
it
the
right
way,
bring
it
to
me
present
it
to
me.
Let
me
investigate
because
he
used
to
be
an
officer,
so
he
know
how
to
investigate.
D
I
don't
want
nobody
to
think
because
I'm
up
here
and
I'm
speaking
on
the
matter,
I
don't
want
the
board
to
get
together
and
move
mark
out
faster
and
decide
because
they
got
the
vote
in
power
to
do
just
that.
I
think
we
have
to
be
very
careful
when
we
decide
that
we're
just
looking
for
a
city
manager.
Just
for
the
sake
of
saying
we
need
a
city
manager
because
a
lot
of
things
in
this
community
we
run
a
close-knit.
You
didn't
heard
robin.
I
was
just
at
the
hospital
just
in
this
community.
D
D
I
just
want
to
say
to
the
board
member
that
up
on
the
your
leadership,
if
you
feel-
and
you
decide
that
you
have
to
go-
and
you
speak
amongst
each
other-
that
hey
we
do
need
a
new
city
manager,
a
good
city
manager
used
last
four
five,
that's
bs
cause
I
googled
and
I've
seen
way.
Some
cities
got
city
managers
been
there
30
years,
plus
over
20
cities,
30
years
of
plus.
That
tells
me
something
they
know
their
job.
They
know
what
they're
getting
and
they're
continuing
to
move
forward.
D
I'm
saying
to
this
board
just
like
we
voted
you
in
we,
the
people.
If
we're
not
satisfied
with
the
board
members,
doing
we
can
vote
you
out
and
that's
not
a
bad
thing,
a
threat
of
coming
at
you
any
kind
of
way.
I
just
want
to
say
that
we
just
have
to
be
careful
when
we
just
move
people
to
move
people
and
I'm
saying
to
the
residents
I'm
saying
to
the
board
members.
D
If
somebody
decide
that
we
need
another
city
manager,
just
for
the
sake
of
it
ask
ourselves
what
have
mark
been
doing
up
under
this
new
leadership?
Have
they
been
following?
What
need
been
doing
have
been
communicating?
Have
we
been
getting
bike?
Have
we
been
doing
have
been
serving?
If
the
answer
is
yes,
then
the
answer
should
be.
Yes,
we
should
stay.
D
I
want
to
make
it
clear:
I'm
not
an
advocate
for
mark
I'm
an
advocate
for
what's
right,
I'm
an
advocate
for
when
people
sit
there
and
they
tell
me
something
I
investigate,
and
then
I
see
that
it's
going
left,
I'm
not
going
to
sit
down.
I
don't
do
like
I
used
to
do
I'm
not
going
to
jump
up
and
stream
or
stick
my
chest
out.
That's
not
going
to
get
us
in
the
way
we'll
just
have
the
chief
holding
me
down,
but
we're
going
to
move
forward.
D
I
just
want
to
tell
the
board
that
I
serve
a
community
way
and
to
the
fairness
of
y'all
that
some
of
y'all
are
new
up
here,
but
I
serve
a
community
where,
over
the
years
I
didn't
see,
mark
participated
in
martin
luther
king,
I
hadn't
seen
him
participate
in
the
epiphany.
I
hadn't
seen
him
go
to
the
schools.
D
D
B
A
And
I
know
we
do
not
have
any
emails
that
came
in
this
afternoon,
so,
ms
robin
red,
thank
you
very
much
for
the
presentation
and
it's
always
good
to
hear
from
you
and
getting
an
update
on
what's
going
on
in
the
tarpon
springs
housing
authority.
I
very
much
appreciate,
like
everyone
else,
is
that
you're
expanding
your
services
to
help
other
than
just
housing
day
care
and
other
things
like
that.
So
thank
you
very
much.
A
Let's
go
to
public
comments
now,
just
regular
public
comments
on
anything.
That's
not
on
the
agenda.
I
I
I
The
attorneys
might
argue
that
it
would
cost
a
lot
of
money
to
get
new
counsel
up
to
speed
on
these
lawsuits.
But
that's
okay,
because
we
have
a
new
commission
which
might
want
to
take
a
different
direction
with
the
litigation
and
if
the
firm
has
lost
confidence
with
the
city
and
the
city
has
lost
confidence.
Vice
versa.
There
should
be
no
question
that
the
withdrawal
should
take
place
immediately,
so
the
city
can
start
looking
for
litigation
council.
I
I
Mr
dagno
ought
not
to
be
handling
that
anymore.
It
needs
to
be
notified
that
he
needs
to
file
this
withdrawal,
so
I
hope
that
this
has
already
taken
place.
Certainly
don't
wait
to
the
last
day
on
the
ninth
of
the
30
days.
Do
it
now
put
the
court
on
notice
and
also
that
thing
that
dagno
drafted
and
sent
in
that
said
that
it
was
indefensible
or
was
not
going
to
defend
the
stay
that
you
all
voted
on?
I
I
I
A
Thank
you,
mr
roboski.
It's
a
very
new
revelation
three
business
days
old,
there's
a
whole
lot
of
details
that
need
to
be
worked
out,
we'll
be
getting
to
that
as
we
go
along.
I
know,
there's
got
to
be
a
lot
of
communication
in
that
regard.
Thank
you
next
comment.
Please,
mr
gattis
mayor.
Oh
mr
moore,
yes
can.
K
I
address
that
just
to
step,
of
course,
any
potential
additional
con,
maybe
streamline
the
conversation.
Our
firm
has
withdrawn
from
or
communicated
our
intent
to
terminate
the
contract.
We
have
already
communicated
our
intention
to
coordinate
with
the
city
manager,
notices
of
substitution
of
counsel
in
those
cases
in
which
we
represent
the
city
in
our
capacity
as
city
attorney.
K
K
Moreover,
as
it
relates
to
the
city
of
dunedin,
there
was
a
case
that
we
continued
representing
them
in,
at
their
request
upon
our
separation,
we
continued
to
litigate
that
case
prevailed
at
the
trial
court,
had
it
appealed
to
the
11th
circuit
and
had
an
order
issued
the
same
day
of
the
oral
argument
in
the
city's
favor.
We
defend
our
clients
positions,
we
advance
them
and
fulfill
our
ethical
obligations.
K
We
understand
the
city
and
the
firm's
intent
to
part
ways
as
city
attorney,
and
we
will
respect
that.
We
are
working
with
your
city,
administrators
and
staff
to
to
excuse
me
to
work
through
the
substitution
so
that
we
fulfill
our
ethical
obligations
and
ensure
you
always
have
counsel
but
also
expeditiously
extricate
ourselves
from
that
litigation
in
which
we
are
no
longer
needed.
As
counsel
thank.
A
L
Thank
you,
sir
david
ballard,
gettis
junior.
I
live
at
802
georgia
avenue
in
palm
harbor.
L
Last
meetings,
discussion
of
a
a
privileged
fee,
I'm
not
so
sure
if
I
know
the
nexus
between
an
availability
fee
or
the
difference
between
a
a
privilege
fee,
but
I
I
I
I
have
done
some
research
in
regards
to
as
a
fee,
structuring
and-
and
I
found
a
court
case
that
that
might
be
interest
to
the
board
regarding
to
constitutionalities
of
fee
structures
that
I
handed
out
to
your
officer
before
the
meeting,
and
I
just
thought
I'd
present
that
to
you
tonight.
Thank
you.
J
J
The
lord
saw
this
and
rejected
them
because
he
was
angered
by
his
sons
and
daughters.
I
will
hide
my
face
for
them.
He
said
and
see
what
their
end
will
be
for
a
fire
has
been
kindled
in
my
wrath,
one
that
burns
to
the
realm
of
death
below
it
will
devour
the
earth
and
its
harvest
and
set
a
fire.
The
foundations
of
the.
J
J
J
Now
that's
kind
of
some
of
the
issues
that
I
want
to
discuss.
Mr
gettys
was
talking
about
the
privilege
fee,
but
he
doesn't
understand
what
that
was
about
it's
about
vacations
and,
if
any
of
you
would
like
to
get
the
background
on
this,
if
you
go
to
the
city
commissioner's
agenda,
go
down
to
the
meeting
august.
23Rd
click
it
go
down
about
halfway,
you'll
see
the
backup.
On
this
item,
I
sent
the
board
to
y'all
a
link
to
a
vacation.
J
I
found
in
the
business
observer
proposed
petition
to
vacate
know
by
board
of
county
commissioners,
thursday
september
blah
blah
a
portion
of
land
in
the
tampa
and
tarpon
springs.
Land
company
doesn't
describe
the
property.
I
was
curious,
so
I
did
some
research.
I
checked
up
on
it
and
basically
it's
out
on
highland
avenue
by
mcalpin,
where
they're
doing
the
work
they
did
a
land
swap
county
gave.
J
J
If
you
go
back
to
that
agenda
item
and
look
at
it,
you'll
see
in
the
emails
there
how
an
outside
attorney
perpetrated
a
scheme
to
change
that
prior
that
vacation
fee,
and
it
has
cost
us
since-
and
I've
told
y'all
about
it
when
pioneer
development
was
building
that
property
out
on
the
corner
of
mellon
and
jasmine.
And
here's
what
I'm
going
to
explain
to
you
in
numbers.
J
The
city
gave
a
15
by
620
foot
right
away,
which
is
equal
to
9
300
square
feet.
The
pioneer
development
people
said
their
smallest.
Lots
were
3
500
feet,
so
9
300
square
feet
equals
to
2.657
lots
that
the
city
gave
gave
to
them.
Now
in
the
back
up,
mayor
vaticatus
had
put
in
a
formula
where,
if
you
took
either
eight
to
twelve
dollars
and
timed
it
by
eighty
percent
by
the
square
footage,
you
would
get
a
valuation.
J
So
ninety
three
hundred
square
feet
at
eight
dollars
times.
Eighty
percent
comes
out
to
fifty
nine
thousand.
If
you
took
the
top
level.
Ninety
three
hundred
square
feet
at
twelve
dollars
came
out
to
a
hundred
and
eleven
thousand
six
hundred,
and
you
take
eighty
percent.
That
was
eighty
nine
thousand.
If
you
take
the
medium,
it
was
about
75,
000.,
75
000
that
an
outside
attorney
cost
the
city.
J
B
A
A
On
on
my
right,
any
commissioners
want
to
pull
anything
okay,
so
vice
marilyn.
I
assume
you
don't
nothing.
Okay.
What
I'd
like
to
do
is
have
a
motion
in
a
second
on
items:
1
3,
4,
5,
6,
7,
8,
9,
10,
11,
13
and
14
for
approval
motion.
A
Okay:
let's
go
to
public
comments.
Are
there
any
public
comments
on
any
of
these
items?.
K
A
Mayor
betty,
yes,
commissioner
eisner,
if
you'd
like
to
start
off
with
attorney's
fees,
number
two.
C
Yes,
I
would
thank
you
mayor.
This
is
just
the
observation
and
I
just
wanted
to
make
you
aware
of
the
trash
dagger
build
in
july
was
in
and
around
30
000.
In
august
it
was
20,
and
this
month
it
was
15.5,
that's
pretty
much.
It
was
just
for
information
purposes.
Okay,.
A
Thank
you.
You
just
wanted
to
get
that
detail
out
there.
Okay
are
there
any
other
commission
comments,
comment
concerning
that
matter.
H
C
I
But
I
think
it's
incumbent
on
the
city
to
determine
how
much
travel
expenses
was
actually
billed
to
the
city
for
at
least
the
last
two
to
three
years,
which
is
what
a
key
tam
provision
would
would
do
if
the
citizens
did
that,
but
the
commission
can
do
it.
It's
important
to
remember
that
the
cost
provision
of
their
contract
seems
to
indicate
that
they
are
entitled
to
costs
or
out-of-pocket
costs,
not
billing.
At
an
hourly
rate.
I
Charging
an
hourly
rate
for
travel
is
not
a
cost
incurred.
The
city
shall
pay
all
costs
incurred
or
advanced
by
the
firm
in
representing
the
city.
Pursuant
to
this
agreement,
such
costs
include,
but
are
not
limited
to
court
filing
fees,
deposition
charges,
photocopying,
long
distance,
telephone
charges,
fedex
charges
out
of
county
travel
charges,
computer
research
fees
and
other
out-of-pocket
costs.
I
I
This
is
money
you
can
get
back
and
I'm
told
by
many
attorneys
that
they
don't
want
this
to
go
to
court.
They
don't
want
to
get
sued
over
this,
so
they
will
cut
you
a
check,
but
they're
not
going
to
do
it
unless
you
ask
them
to
so.
I
I
I
And
it's
tens
of
thousands,
if
not
hundreds
of
thousands,
they
were
charging
their
hourly
rate
for
like
five
dollars
in
gas
from
clearwater
to
here
and
that's
times
every
board,
not
just
this
one,
so
just
consider
asking
them
and
just
see
where
it
goes:
it's
not
going
to
hurt
anybody
and
they're.
They
can't
quit
twice.
They
already
quit.
M
I
am
sorry
we're
losing
mr
trask
and
that
form
that
law
firm
after
all
the
years
you
know
mr
herbowski
has
made
a
lot
of
accusations
and
there
no
one
on
this
board
has
asked
him
to
prove
him
asking
what
attorneys
told
him
that
mr
trasters
are
going
to
come
here
and
cheat
us
out
of
money
he's
a
prominent
law
lawyer
in
in
pinellas
county.
M
A
A
I'm
we
have
a
a
a
letter
from
mr
trask
concerning
his
agreement
with
the
city
that
came
in
last
friday
and
as
of
right
now
we're
just
going
to
work
through
that
and
try
and
get
everything
resolved
as
far
as
any
loose
ends
with
the
city's
business
and
litigation
and
all
of
that
rather
than
talking
about
travel
time,
I
may
it
may
be
something
that
some
residents
don't
want
to
hear
from
me,
but
right
now,
there's
too
many
things
on
the
table
to
be
talking
about
travel
time
concerning
legal
businesses
and
also
the
litigation
that
we've
got
ongoing
if
we
ever
have
some
time
to
get
to
that
we
will,
but
as
of
right
now
I
wouldn't
support
it.
A
I
if
a
commission
wishes
to
put
that
on
an
agenda
and
some
future
date
they
can.
They
have
that
right
to
do
it's
a
policy
item,
but
for
me
right
now,
given
the
comments
that
I've
heard
tonight,
I'm
not
prepared
to
do
that.
But
of
course
any
other
commissioner.
Can,
mr
moore,
do
you
have
anything
to
say?
Yes,.
K
A
Okay,
thank
you.
I
know
that
commissioner
eisner
had
an
opportunity
to
speak
on
this
item.
Commissioner
cullias
asked
a
question,
or
I
didn't
really
ask
any
of
the
other
commissioners
whether
they
have
anything
or
is
there
any
follow-up
from
anybody
concerning
this
matter?
A
Okay,
may
I
have
a
a
motion
to
approve
item
two
and
a
second
please
motion
to
approve
item
two.
C
The
only
thing
I
want
to
speak
about
with
this
is
when
we
get
these
type
of
increases,
could
we
also
get
a
breakdown
of
because,
in
the
backup
material,
it
just
says
that
there's
been
an
up
kick
uptick
in
the
amount
of
people,
but
we
don't
know
what
that
means
so
did
it
double?
Did
it
triple?
C
I
just
want
to
know
if
the
costs
have
gone
up
due
to
the
cost
of
the
items,
or
is
it
because
it
said
that
there
were
a
lot
of
rounds
of
golf
done,
but
I
don't
understand
what
that
means:
we'll
be
selling
300
now
we're
selling
600.
So
just
on
any
of
these
type
things
I
I
only
wanted
to
use
this
as
an
example,
but
any
time
that
we
have
an
uptick
of
funds,
I'd
like
to
know
what
it
attributes
to
that's
all:
okay,.
A
City
manager,
of
course
you
want
to
mention,
do
you
want
to
say
anything?
No.
B
A
Will
do
that
right,
you're
not
prepared
to
address
it
this
evening,
though,
is
that
correct?
I.
L
Public
services
director,
I
do
appreciate
the
feedback
I
just
will
say
generally.
This
request
here
is
asking
for
an
increase
in
the
authorization.
It's
not
asking
necessarily
for
an
increase
in
spending.
Just
the
ability
to
purchase
up
to
that
amount
to
get
us
through
the
end
of
the
year.
Business
is
up.
Summer
is
usually
a
really
slow
period,
but
it's
sustained,
and
because
of
that,
we
need
to
keep
providing
the
supplies
and
then
those
are
funded
through
the
revenue
of
the
sale.
C
Does
that
help?
Thank
you
paul.
I
I
understand
what
that
is.
It's
just.
I
would
like
to
know
what
the
numbers
are.
I
understand
it's
a
just,
adding
to
what
we
can
use,
but
thank
you.
I
always
appreciate
you
already.
A
Thank
you.
There
are
no
other
commission
comments.
I
have
a
motion
to
approve
item
12
in
a
second.
Please
motion
to
approve.
C
B
F
B
A
K
Mr
mayor,
this
is
resolution,
number
22
2022-35,
a
resolution
of
the
board
of
commissioners
of
the
city
of
tarpon
springs.
Florida
supporting
a
solar
cooperative
in
the
city
of
tarpon
springs,
providing
consent
to
solar,
united
neighbors
of
the
fl
of
florida
for
the
use
of
the
city
seal
and
providing
for
an
effective
date.
Here
of
this
has
been
a
reading
of
resolution
number
2022-35
by
title.
Only.
Thank
you,
mr
moore.
L
Good
evening,
paul
smith,
public
services,
director-
this
is
one
of
two
items
on
the
agenda
tonight
regarding
solar,
we're
very
excited
to
bring
to
you
this
particular
one
has
to
do
with
providing
more
opportunities
to
our
community
to
have
solar
energy
put
on
their
homes,
and
I
will
say
I
can
speak
to
this
as
an
actual
customer
of
one
of
these
co-ops.
It
really
worked
out
well
for
me,
and
I'm
glad
that
this
opportunity
is
back
for
you
to
consider
approving
our
support
of
staff
has
been
working
on
this.
L
N
N
The
florida,
solar,
united
neighbors
sun
is
a
non-profit
organization
which
expands
access
to
solar
by
sharing
information
with
floridians
about
the
benefits
of
distributed
solar
energy
and
they
help
to
organize
these
group
solar
installations.
And
tonight
we
have
the
golf
course:
the
gulf
coast
program
associate
from
sun
julia
herbst
here
in
the
audience,
and
she
can
help
answer
any
questions
you
may
have
later
on
just
to
provide
an
overview.
The
purpose
of
these
solar
coops.
N
So
this
enables
community
members
to
make
informed
decisions
regarding
the
purchase
of
solar
power
and
it
provides
them
education
and
resources.
Co-Op
members
can
participate
on
a
voluntary
basis.
They
do
not
have
to
purchase
solar
at
any
point
during
their
participation
in
this
program
and
throughout
the
duration
of
the
co-op
sun
provides
administrative
and
technical
assistance
to
those
members.
N
Other
cities
participating
in
this
pinellas
county
co-op
this
year
include
the
city
of
dunedin
city
of
safety,
harbor
city
of
largo,
city
of
saint
pete
and
city
of
clearwater.
The
city
of
clearwater
is
the
financial
sponsor.
For
this
event,
this
is
something
that
we
have
done
before.
The
city
of
tarpon
springs
participated
in
a
similar
sun,
pinellas
county
co-op
in
2017,
along
with
the
city
of
dunedin
and
city
of
safety
harbor,
and
our
participation
would
be
non-financial.
A
A
O
B
And
thank
you,
commissioners,
I'm
actually
julia
herbst
with
solar,
united
neighbors,
I'm
also
a
tarpon
resident
at
1132,
elmendorf
trace
and
I'm
also
a
solar
owner,
and
I
actually
discovered
solar,
united
neighbors
here
in
this
room
during
an
information
session.
So
I
thank
you
for
support
of
clean
energy
and
this
opportunity
to
give
your
residents
education
over
what
is
a
very
complex
subject
and
a
long-term
investment.
So
this
is
a
real
good
way
to
promote
education
and
investment
in
private
property,
as
well
as
a
lot
of
community
benefits.
J
Thank
you,
beautiful
acts,
514
ashland
avenue
anything
we
can
do
to
alleviate
or
reduce
the
reliance
of
our
residents
on
duke
energy
and
the
corporate
power
companies
is
to
everybody's
benefit
more
dollars
in
their
pocket
more.
They
can
spend
on
other
things.
Basically,
what
they're
asking
is
to
join
them
in
a
partnership?
It's
a
voluntary
group
and
as
those
people
become
more
aware,
as
she
mentioned,
the
buying
power
helps
so
one
of
my
things-
and
I
was
gonna-
had
looked
earlier
on
number
16
with
regards
to
the
additional
solarization
of
the
reverse
osmosis
plant.
J
J
So
I
don't
know
if
maybe
somehow,
our
buying
power
with
number
16
can
be
leveraged
to
this
group,
so
they
can
pass
out
any
purchasing
power
savings
for
the
volunteer,
co-op
residents
so
and
I'm
just
kind
of
throwing
that
out
as
I
think
about
it,
but
anything
we
can
do
to
help
the
residents
get
unhooked
from
the
power
companies
and
and
their
manipulations
of
what
they
do.
I
mean,
if
you
look
at
your
bill,
you
see
that
asset
securitization
charge.
People
know
what
that
is,
that's
we're
still
paying
for
the
florida
power
or
florida.
J
That
happened
no,
but
he
got
me
speaker
of
the
house.
So
that's
just
an
aside,
so
anything
you
can
do
to
support
solar.
I've
said
it
before:
we've
got
all
of
our
buildings
flat
roofs
use
this
purchasing
power
to
expand
as
much
as
we
can
and
reduce
the
cities.
And,
lastly,
I
drove
out
to
the
anglo
river
park
the
other
day,
just
to
take
a
look
about.
What's
going
on
out
there
again
and
you
passed
offer
that
property
still
for
sale.
J
A
M
A
F
I
have
a
couple
of
questions
and
a
comment
so
to
my
understanding:
there's
a
minimum
requirement
of
people
that
are
that
have
to
join
this
co-op.
Is
it
20
or
21
households
to
actually
make
the
co-op
go.
B
F
Also
so
if
they
don't
make
this
20
it
kind
of
dissolves
and
and
and
goes
its
own
way,
the
particular
co-ops
that
we're
talking
about
are
specific
to
the
tarpon
springs
area
or
northern
pinellas
or
or
are
there
any
definitions
of
how
broadly
this
co-op
is
going
to
be
adopted?.
F
Okay,
so
it's
well
along
its
way
right,
okay,
so,
anyway,
those
are
the
only
questions
I
have,
but
I
just
wanted
to
make
a
comment
that
I
think
this
is
a
good
idea
for
the
residents.
F
I
know
it's,
it's
a
difficult
decision
and
pretty
complex
subject
to
approach
with
most
residents
and
any
sort
of
outside,
more
more
educated
opinions
that
they
can
get
and
and
more
data
is
probably
better,
because
I'm
a
pretty
detailed
guy
and
I've
sorted
through
this
stuff.
Several
times
myself,
it's
not
a
non-complex
situation.
Anything
we
can
do
to
help
the
residents
out
is
is
great.
Thank
you.
G
Thanks
mayor
happy
to
support
it
supported
back
in
2017.,
anything
we
could
do
to
help
the
residents
with
buying
power
makes
sense.
Thank
you
for
bringing
this
forward
and
making
another
option
for
the
residents
a
couple
quick
questions
to
have
since
we're
talking
about
solar
here
with
mark
mark,
I
did
ask
our
city
manager
did
ask
about
looking
into
doing
solar
panels
for
the
buildings
throughout
the
city.
It's
been
a
few
years,
but
then
we
talked
further
about
it
and
I
think
you
had
some
staff
members.
I
L
Really
not
a
whole
lot
different
than
what
I
mentioned
to
you,
I
think
about
two
or
three
months
ago,
really
we're
going
for
the
low
hanging
fruit.
Now,
this
item
later
in
your
agenda,
the
ro
facility
we've
got
plans
already
we've
gone
through
the
selection
process.
So
we're
really
recommending
that
to
you,
that's
going
to
make
a
big
difference.
A
C
Thank
you
mayor,
so
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
question,
because
I
had
a
conversation
with
heaven
campbell
for
quite
some
time,
because
I
was
very
concerned
about
putting
our
seal
on
anything.
So
I
think
I
asked
almost
every
question
you
could
possibly
come
up
with,
because
I
am
not
a
candidate
for
solar.
I
I
feel
I'm
too
old
to
reclaim
the
benefit,
and
it
was
just.
I
do
want
to
talk
about
the
co-op
program,
though
I'm
I'm
a
supporter
of
it.
C
The
co-op
program
is
there
to
help
all
people
not
only
in
the
purchase
of,
but
in
the
repair
of
I
had
a
resident
who
called
me
to
try
to
get
help
because
they
had
a
solar
installation
and
the
person
wouldn't
do
the
final
hookup,
so
they
were
kind
of
left
holding
the
bag
and
they
didn't
know
which
way
to
go
that
your
your
company
or
whoever
this
is,
will
take
that
over
they
have
installers.
They
have
repair
people.
C
So
they
do
this
in
bulk.
That's
literally
how
this
functions:
they
get
together,
20
people
when
they
get
20
people
they
go
out
and
they
try
to
find
a
solar
company
that
would
be
willing
to
bid
on
it,
but
they
research.
They
do
the
background
research.
They
do
the
interview
so
they're
doing
everything,
they're,
just
a
middle
middle
person.
C
You
know
and
being
it's
a
501c3
they're,
really
not
in
it
for
the
money
except
for
their
own
salary.
So
I
am
fully
in
support
of
this.
I
really
didn't
find
the
floor
in
anything
that
heaven
had
said
to
me.
C
I
know
there
was
a
question
asked
about
us
as
a
city
getting
involved,
but
I
think
our
purchase
power
in
the
larger
items.
I
think
we
have
better
purchase
power
than
to
go
through
a
co-op
and
to
be
involved.
You
know
commercial
versus
residential,
so
I
hope
that
answered
the
question,
but
I
am,
I
do
want
to
put
our
city
seal
on
this.
I
do
think
everybody
should
take
advantage
of
it.
I
think
it's
a
great
idea.
C
H
Commissioner,
thank
you
mayor.
I
just
had
a
couple
questions
about
the
competitive
pricing
and
when
you
do
come
up
with
these
co-ops
they're
using
are
they
using
different
brands
of
solar
panels?
And
I
guess
commission
eiser
talked
about
different
installers
as
well,
and
and
do
they
offer
different
financing
options?
Are
they
funneled
through
certain
companies
or
not
just
wanted
to
get
an
id
on
that.
F
L
Start,
I'm
glad
that
julia
is
here
to
pick
up
on
the
details.
I
can
just
tell
you
my
experience
was
the
they
have
a
selection
committee
and
they
vet
the
companies,
as
the
commissioner
mentioned,
commissioner
eisner,
and
they
also
vet
the
equipment
that
they're
proposing.
So
it
really
is
a
good
way
to
get
a
good
sense
of
confidence
in
what
you're
offering
out
there
to
the
community.
But
is
there
anything
I
missed.
B
Yes,
thank
you.
So
solar
united
neighbors
is
a
501c3,
so
we
have
to
remain
vendor
neutral,
so
we
are
committed
to
education
and
consumer
protection.
So
how
the
installer
is
selected
is
a
competitive
bid
process.
The
actual
rfp
is
going
to
be
released
tomorrow.
You're
all
welcome
to
look
at
that
on
the
co-op
website.
It's
a
very
extensive
question
of
solar
installers
to
bid
to
install
solar
for
the
members
of
the
co-op
and
it's
based
on
various
equipment
that
we
check
it's
very
thorough
rfp.
B
It
asks
about
pricing
equipment
things
like
battery
storage
as
well
upgrade
equipment
and
warranties.
So
it's
a
very
thorough
as
far
as
searching
out
the
vendors.
But
again
we
do
education
and
we
facilitate
that
selection
process.
We
do
not
select
the
vendor,
so
the
member
team
evaluates
the
criteria
of
the
larger
group.
We
hope
to
grow
this
group
to
200
members
and
help
as
many
people
as
possible
and
that
selection
group
of
volunteers
makes
that
selection.
H
B
B
A
You
I
want
to
thank
everybody
for
correcting
me
on
which
item
we're
on.
I
did
do
a
reset
and
I
do
have
a
question
concerning
the
use
of
the
city
seal,
not
just
being
careful,
but
there
is
a
I've
gone
through
this
before
there's
a
state
statute
on
the
use
of
city
seals,
and
I
asked
ms
jacobs
to
pull
that
statute
for
me
and
handed
it
to
mr
moore,
and
would
there
be
any
problem
with
using
our
city
seal
in
this
capacity.
K
I'm
familiar
with
florida
statute,
165.043
that
the
mayor
just
provided
there
would
be
an
issue
with
using
the
seal
where
it
without
our
consent.
This
body
is,
is
giving
its
consent
in
the
resolution
that
that
consent
has
a
it
explicitly
provides
that
the
body
can
withdraw
that
consent.
So
it
is
not
interminable
so
under
those
on
those
bases,
it
is
permissible
to
proceed
in
that
fashion
and
if
the
seal
is
misused
or
the
use
extends
beyond
the
scope
of
what's
contemplated,
the
city
can
take
action.
Okay,.
A
I
mean
it's
very
important
to
me
because
I've
gone
through
this
before
with
the
number
of
people
wanting
to
use
the
city
seals
that
are
not
associated
with
the
government,
and
it
says
mr
moore
describes.
Sometimes
it's
used
in
a
in
a
way
that
the
city
may
not
want
to
have
it
whatever
is
being
done
associated
with
the
city.
So
I
I
think
I
agree
with
mr
eisner
commissioner.
Eisner.
Excuse
me,
sir,
that
we
need
to
be
careful
as
far
as
granting
permission
for
that.
So,
if
could
somebody
describe
that
to
me.
B
B
A
Okay,
I'm
not
sure
how
to
proceed.
I
I
don't
I'll,
be
honest
with
you,
I'm
uncomfortable
with
giving
a
card
blanche
on
this
particular
item.
I
mean
if
we
could
devise
or
think
of
some
way
this
evening
to
give
authorization,
but
perhaps
with
the
city
manager,
creating
some
guidelines
as
to
its
use
mayor
some.
Can
I,
commissioner,.
A
K
I
would
advise
that,
as
as
written
the
resolution
grants
the
entity
the
ability
to
do
so,
not
its
individual
members,
if
its
individual
affiliates
begin
misusing
that
we
can
the
whoever
is
your
legal
counsel,
can
advise
them
to
cease
and
desist
that
activity
and
the
scope
of
this
under
the
under
the
terms
of
the
resolution
is
solar.
United
neighbors
of
florida
is
authorized
to
use
the
tarpon
springs
city
seal
unless
and
until
the
consent
is
revoked
for
outreach
and
marketing
efforts
to
further
solar
co-op
initiatives.
A
K
I
wouldn't
necessarily
qualify
it
as
an
order
at
the
outset.
We
would
certainly
you
know,
correspondence
cease
and
desist
the
activity
to
avoid
any
legal
action,
any
individual
who
does
that,
in
spite
of
that
faces,
the
criminal
penalty
set
forth
in
that
statute,
and
they
do
so
at
their
own
risk.
A
Okay,
all
right,
that's
all!
I
have
I'm
going
to
leave
it
up
to
the
city
manager
to
make
sure
that
there's
clarity
on
that
item-
and
we
have
a
let's
see
where
I
am
right
now-
we've
got
the
the
reading.
We
don't
have
a
a
second.
I'm
sorry
motion
or
a
second
at
this
point
is
that
correct?
A
Okay,
we've
gone
to
public
comments.
So
may
I
have
a
a
motion
and
a.
A
A
A
A
K
This
is
resolution
number
2022-28,
a
resolution
of
the
board
of
commissioners
of
the
city
of
tarpon
springs
florida,
approving
application
number
22-77
requesting
conditional
use
approval
to
allow
for
a
roadside
stand,
parentheses
garden
center,
outdoor
plant
sales,
close
parentheses
at
18,
west
orange
street,
in
the
t5d
transect
zone
of
the
special
area
plan
providing
for
findings
providing
for
conditions
and
providing
for
an
effective
date.
This
has
been
a
reading
of
resolution
number
2022-28
by
title
only
with
that.
K
This
is
a
quasi-judicial
proceeding
where
the
board
of
commissioners
acts
in
a
quasi-judicial
rather
than
a
legislative
capacity
at
a
quasi-judicial
hearing.
It
is
not
the
board's
function
to
make
law,
but
rather
to
apply
the
law
that
has
already
been
established
in
a
quasi-judicial
hearing.
The
board
is
required
by
law
to
make
findings
of
fact,
based
upon
the
evidence
presented
at
the
hearing
and
apply
those
findings
of
fact
to
previously
established
criteria
contained
in
this
city's
code
of
ordinances
in
order
to
make
a
legal
decision
regarding
the
application
before
it.
K
The
board
may
only
consider
evidence
at
this
hearing
that
the
law
considers
competence,
substantial
and
relevant
to
the
issues.
If
the
competent,
substantial
and
relevant
evidence
that
the
hearing
demonstrates
the
applicant
has
met
the
criteria
established
in
the
code
of
ordinances,
then
the
board
is
required
by
law
to
find
in
favor
of
the
applicant.
By
the
same
token,
if
the
competent
substantial
evidence
at
the
hearing
demonstrates
that
the
applicant
has
failed
to
meet
the
criteria
established
in
the
code,
then
the
board
is
required
by
law
to
find
against
the
applicant
with
that.
K
A
Okay,
thank
you.
City
manager
is
missing,
so
I'm
going
to
go
directly
to
you,
ms
vincent,
if
you'd
like
to
make
your
presentation
mayor
yes,.
H
I
just
want
to
disclose.
I
had
ex-party
communications
with
the
applicant
today
she
had
talked.
I
went
over
to
her
property.
Just
looked
at
the
area,
she
wanted
to
build
the
garden
area,
but
she
had
also
disclosed
to
me
about
needing
approval
from
the
historic
preservation
board
or
she
thought
she
needed
some
approval
after
a
ruling,
and
I
wasn't
sure
if
I
wasn't
sure
on
that
outcome
and
we
haven't
really
ventured
with
the
historic
preservation
board.
So
remember.
K
Kulias,
do
you
feel
that
your
interactions
with
this
applicant
in
any
way
impairs
your
ability
to
impartially
adjudicate
the
matter
before
you
this
evening?
No.
A
We
should
proceed
with
that.
Okay,
I
I'm
comfortable
with
what
I
see
unless
another
commissioner
objects.
This
is
straightforward.
I've
been
to
miss
al
gomez's
business
a
couple
of
times,
so
I'm
I
and
I
know
the
the
the
land
that
she's
talking
about
utilizing.
P
Thank
you.
This
is
application
22-27
77.
This
is
a
conditional
use,
application
for
property
at
18
west
orange
street,
just
an
area
map
showing
you
the
the
context
of
north
carolina's
avenue
orange
street.
This
is
on
the
north
side.
This
is
on
the
edge
very
kind
of
edge
of
our
special
area
plan
in
the
smart
code
area.
It
is
in
the
t5d
transect
district,
which
is
basically
a
retail
mixed-use
district
oops
wrong
way.
P
The
applicant
is
proposing
to
to
have
three.
We
call
them
shade
structures,
ten
by
ten
in
area,
for
the
area
to
display
the
plant
sales.
It
really
is
limited
to
plant
sales
and
very
limited
accessories.
I'll
talk
about
the
conditions
of
approval.
In
a
moment,
they
do
intend
to
expand
the
existing
parking
area
to
accommodate
five
spaces
and
accessible
parking
space,
and
then
the
existing
building,
that's
in
the
rear
of
the
property,
would
be
used
for
for
office.
P
So
this
is
just
a
graphic
depiction
of
what's
what's
envisioned
so
and
in
a
pictorial
of
you
know,
really
how
they
wish
to
kind
of
display
the
plants
themselves.
So
these
kind
of,
like
light
timber
type
of
construction,
those
those
actually
under
our
current
under
the
building
code,
now
do
not
even
require
a
permit.
P
P
There
are
no
issues
with
conformance
of
the
with
the
land
development
code,
and
we
do
think
that,
in
the
context
with
the
special
area
plan
and
the
surrounding
properties
that
it's
appropriate
and
compatible
with
the
area,
the
new
issues
with
the
comprehensive
plan
or
the
special
area
plan
for
this
particular
area
and
the
and
the
character
district
that
it's
in,
we
do
not
think
that
it
will
adversely
impact
historical
or
environmental
resources.
P
So
this
staff
does
recommend
approval
of
resolution
2022-28
granting
conditional
use
approval
for
the
operation
of
a
garden
center
with
outdoor
plant
sales
in
the
t5
district
staff
recommended
three
conditions:
number
one,
that
merchandise
shall
be
limited
to
plants
and
typical
garden
supplies,
excluding
bulk
storage
of
mulch,
soil,
rock
shell,
etc
and
shall
not
include
yard
decor.
The
applicant
must
obtain
necessary
building
permits
for
the
change
of
occupancy
type
of
the
existing
building
and
construction
of
the
shade
structures,
and
we
did
specifically
call
out
the
on-site
signage
required
for
historic
preservation
board
approval.
P
We
did
notice
this
in
accordance
with
our
required
notice
procedures
in
the
land
development
code.
We've
received
no
public
notice
or
comments
on
this.
The
planning
and
zoning
board
reviewed
this
on
august
22nd.
They
did
recommend
approval.
They
did
rework
the
condition
number
one
and
recommended
that
it
be
rewarded
just
to
read,
as
merchandise,
shall
be
limited
to
plants
and
yard
accessories,
such
as
pots,
bird
feeders
and
wind
chimes
bulk
storage
of
mulch,
soil,
rock
shell,
etc
and
yard.
Art
shall
not
be
permitted
and
then
the
other
two
conditions
remained
the
same.
A
Okay,
commissioner
questions
vice
mayor
lund,.
F
Yeah
hi
renee
hi,
it
says
on-site
signage
and
on-site
signage
only
requires
a
heritage.
Preservation
board's
approval.
So
when
they
look
at
this,
are
they
only
going
to
be
looking
to
to
to
what
so
all
signs
all
signage.
P
In
the
in
the
historic
preservation,
district
requires
review
and
approval
by
the
historic
preservation
board.
So
there
it's
really
looking
at
you
know
it
there's
a
reduced
size
allowance
for
the
historic
district
and
they're
looking
at
the
aesthetics
within.
P
P
F
The
other
question
I
have
is
is,
via
the
original
preliminary
staff
recommendation,
basically
in
in
condition
number
one
said
and
not
shall
include
yard
decor,
or
it
shall
not
include
yard
decor
so
for
being
dyslexic
cleaner
for
a
bit
and
then
the
pnc
board
revised
that
to
adding
pots,
bird
feeders
and
wind
chimes,
which
I
think
is
out
of
the
nature
of
this,
and
quite
frankly,
would
refer,
prefer
to
go
back
to
to
the
preliminary
staff
recommendation
and
limit
yard
decor.
P
So
the
planning
and
zoning
board
had
quite
a
bit
of
discussion
with
the
applicant.
Regarding
you
know
what
we're
trying
to
avoid
is
like
you've
seen
them.
We
haven't.
P
So
but
she
did
indicate
that
you
know
she
would
like
to
be.
I
mean,
like
small
wind,
chimes
and
things
of
that
nature,
so
with
the
back
and
forth
of
the
planning
and
zoning
board
that
that's
the
language
that
the
board
came
up
with
and
recommended.
So
it's
you
know
without
the
applicant
here
to
kind
of
provide
additional
information.
I
can.
I
can
only
kind
of
reflect
what
happened
at
the
planning
and
zoning
board
from
my
interpretation,
so
you
can
certainly
I
mean
go
back
to
the
original
recommendation.
That's
within
your
purview.
A
Other
questions
no
okay,
commissioner
carr.
H
I'd
like
to
follow
up
with
the
vice
mayor
lunt,
I
I
think
the
tip
the
staff
recommendations,
the
typical
garden
supplies.
I
believe
that
gives
them
more
leeway
to
have
items
there.
Would
it
not
because
the
p
and
z's
recommendations
are
limited
to
pretty
much
just
those
three
types
of
typical
guards
of
garden
supplies
so
such
as
that's.
A
Well,
we
can't
we
can't
have
discussion.
We
can
only
ask
questions
at
this
point.
Once
we
close
the
public
hearing,
then
we
can
go
to
commission
discussion
among
the
commissioners
and
get
these
items
resolved.
So
are
there
any
questions?
No
questions.
Okay,
the
the
ms
vincent,
as
you
said,
that
there
was
quite
a
bit
of
discussion
from
the
pnc
board
as
far
as
resigning
refining
the
conditions
was
that
something
in
in
terms
of
a
question
answer
with
the
applicant,
in
other
words,.
P
P
I
I
don't
believe
so.
I
watched
a
replay
yesterday
morning
and
I
mean
nothing's
really
standing
out.
You
know
in
my
mind
from
from
from
watching
that
replay
again,
I
think
they
captured
what
you
know
what
she
intends
to
sell
she
expressed
if
I'm
interpreting
it
correctly,
that
it
was
really
really
focused
on
plant
sales
and
that
if
she
wanted
to
do
anything
like
yard
art
she'll
put
it
inside
in
in
the
building
in
the
back
or
it.
P
So
that's
you
know
so,
but
something
that's
like
you
know
a
small
know,
birdhouses
or
you
know
a
wind
chime.
Something
like
that.
That's
small
is
really
what
she
would
seem
to
be
getting
at.
A
Is
there
any
maybe
to
help
vice
maryland?
I.
O
A
P
So
in
that
district,
so
there's
an
overall.
You
know
we
have.
We
have
a
a
use
that
says
outdoor
display
of
merchandise
and
that's
not
permitted
or
conditional
in
this
particular
district.
So
the
roadside
stand
and
as
I
said,
that
that
is
a
conditional
use,
it's
very
narrow
and
it
says
for
displaying
and
selling
it
says
farm
products,
and
then
it
says,
including
plants,
flowers,
seeds,
grasses
nursery
stock
trees
and
tree
products.
P
So,
in
my
mind,
actually
that
definition
really
does
actually
probably
take
out
the
yard,
art
and
everything
else.
So
as
as
that
definition
reads,
you
know
we
were
trying
to
put
a
thumbtack
in
it
and
make
sure
that
that
that
you
know
that
kind
of
large
areas
of
outdoor
yard,
art
and
decor
didn't
get
included.
A
Basically,
what
I'm
trying
to
do
is
there
are
an
argument
that
could
you
know
by
definition,
these
items
would
be
accessory
to
the
outdoor
plants
and
things
like
that,
rather
than
a
become
a
primary
when
they
become
very
popular
and
the
plants
are
less
so.
P
Must
be
accessory
a
way
you
could
get
at
this
is
you
could
put
like
a
percentage
of
the
area
limitation,
so
you
got
three
100
square
foot
areas,
and
you
could
say
you
know.
No
more
than
10
percent
of
the
outdoor
display
area
can
be
dedicated
to
those
wind
chimes
things
like
that.
If
you
just
wanted
to
really
put
a
box
around
it
and
limit
it.
A
Okay,
all
right
we'll
get
to
that
the
rest
of
that
during
the
discussion.
Okay,
that,
let's
go
to,
we
don't
have
the
applicant
here,
so
there's
no
presentation
from
the
applicant
and
then
what
we're
going
to
do
now
is
go
to
the
public.
P
A
L
Again,
thank
you,
david
ballard,
gettis
junior.
I
live
at
802
georgia
avenue
in
palm
harbor.
K
A
L
Arthur
my
question
would
be:
are
there
any
limitations
as
to
what
type
of
plants
that
they
can
sell,
such
as
a
fruit
trees
of
such
avocado,
mulberry
orange
trees,
pecan
trees,
there's
a
number
of
fruit
trees,
which,
oddly
enough,
it
seems
as
though,
for
example,
the
city
arborist
for
dunedin
art,
finn
retired
from
the
city
of
dunedin,
then
went
to
work
for
the
city
of
safety
harbor.
I
don't
recall
that
man
planting
a
single
fruit
tree
in
his
entire
professional
career
working
for
the
government.
L
A
L
K
If
you
could
just
raise
your
right
hand,
your
other
right
hand,
do
you
swear
from
the
testimony
you're
going
to
give
us
the
truth,
the
whole
truth
and
nothing
not
the
truth.
D
Due
and
fairness
to
the
applicant
is
it
possible
that
we
can
request
to
ask
them
and
then
come
back
and
revisit
because
it
seemed
like
we
might
be
in
a
box
here
to
we
want
to
lean
one
way
we
don't
know
which
way
to
lean.
We
want
to
be
fair
and
we
don't
want
to
limit
somebody
else
that
may
follow
behind
I'm
kind
of
in
a
toast
up
of
clarification
to
make
sure
if
somebody
else
wanted
to
move
forward,
that
we
don't
be
in
a
box
or
step
outside
the
box.
D
K
K
M
M
A
We
it
we
proceed
at
her
risk
and
I
I'm
assuming
that
you
had
called
and
contacted
her
and
she
was
aware
of
that
and
she
was.
P
K
Reviewed
your
rules
of
procedure
adopted
in
2022
as
it
released
quasi-judicial
proceedings,
there's
nothing
in
there
specifically
stating
that
a
hearing
can
or
cannot
proceed.
The
record
thus
far
indicates
that
notice
was
provided
of
this
hearing
and
on
that
point
the
applicant
chooses
to
participate
or
not
at
their
own
discretion.
M
Okay,
that
answers
that,
and
the
second
thing
is
on
fruit
trees,
I'm
not
an
arborist,
but
the
greening
effect
with
the
little
beetle
and
they've
pulled
up
all
the
trees.
I
know
on
bay
shore,
we
had
to
pull
up
all
our
fruit
trees
and
the
university
of
florida
is
working
on
a
solution,
and
I
don't
know
if
you
can
sell
fruit
trees.
It
was
brought
up
here
and
that's
something
we
need
to
look
into,
there's
been
that
you
couldn't
buy
fruit,
trees
and
you
couldn't
sell
fruit,
trees
and
in
the
belt,
through
the
state.
M
A
Mayor
hang
on
a
second
was
that
commissioner,
could?
Yes?
Yes,
we
don't
we're
at
the
public
right
now.
We're
gonna
have
to
wait.
Are
there
any
other
public
comments
I.t
or
is
there
any
other?
Are
there
any
remote
access
comments.
A
Okay,
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
close
the
public
hearing
and
let's
go
to
commission
comments.
F
That
doesn't
help
me
at
all.
Okay,
I
just
I
can
see
what
it
was
going
to
work.
I
have
a
concept
of
what
it
might
devolve
into.
I
also
believe
where
it
says
that
the
merchandise
shall
be
limited
to
plants
we
need
to
specify
house
plants
or
the
size
of
plants.
We
don't
want
our
selling
trees.
We
don't
want
to
turn
into
a
home
depot
selling.
F
You
know
robolini
palms
in
the
front
sort
of
thing.
I
understand
that's
not
her
intention,
but
the
trouble
is
once
we
put
this
into
a
resolution
and
the
resolution's
there
it's
the
law
she
can
do
whatever
she
wants.
That's
within
that
aspect
and
that's
what
I'm
concerned
about.
I
don't
think
this
is
stringent
enough
any
way
through
and
as
it's
written,
I
don't
feel
like.
I
would
approve
it.
Okay,.
A
Thank
you,
commissioner.
Carr.
G
Thanks
mayor,
I
think
this
one's
pretty
simple.
If
we
go
off
of
what
the
applicant
actually
says
in
the
backup.
Since
I
closed
the
garden
and
the
relic
on
pinellas
avenue,
my
customers,
in
the
hundreds
have
asked
daily
for
me
to
open
up
a
garden
center.
This
one
will
be
plant-based
only.
I
ask
that
this
idea
be
seriously
considered,
so
it
looks
like
the
applicant
and
the
backup
is
requesting
a
plant-based
only
plants
not
trees
plants.
I
think
trees
fall
in
the
same
category,
but
you've
got
plants
that
are
flowers,
trees,
bushes.
G
I've
got
no
issues
if
they
want
to
put
a
couple
trees
in
the
back
or
somewhere
in
there
too.
So
what
I'm
saying
is,
I
don't
doesn't
look
like,
there's
a
whole
lot
of
accessories,
she's
just
saying
plants
only
and
that's
what
I'm
talking
about,
and
so
that's
what
she's
asking
for
is
to
be
plant
only
plants.
A
A
G
C
Mayor,
I
would
agree
with
the
plant-based
you
know,
because
that's
what
it
says
here
and
it
also
says
excluding
bulk
storage
of
mulch
soil
rock
shell,
so
I
don't
think
they're
looking
to
become
the
new
home
depot
on
orange.
C
So
as
long
as
we
accept
and
put
in
the
resolution
exactly
what
she's
requesting,
I
don't
really
care
if
they
want
to
do
10
percent
wind
chimes
or
not
it's
not
going
to
change
my
life.
I
don't
think
it's
going
to
change
the
life
of
people
in
tarpon
springs.
So
on
that
I
really
don't.
I
don't
have
a
iron
in
the
fire
and
that's
pretty
much
it
I.
C
K
H
No,
I
think
a
lot
of
those
answers.
Those
questions
were
answered.
Listen.
I
think
this
is
a
good
project.
It
brings
a
lot
of
green
green
space
to
the
area,
especially
when
you're
driving,
east
or
west
on
orange
street.
That
business
has
a
lot
of
foot
traffic,
it's
actually
good
for
the
downtown
area.
H
A
Okay,
I've
been
to
the
business
a
couple
of
times,
and
I
won't
say
I
personally
know
ms
al
gomez.
I
know
who
she
is,
and
it's
a
pretty
nice
business
that
she's
operating
so
far
and
I
think
anytime
we
could
add
greenery
to
an
area,
that's
positive
for
me
and,
of
course,
that's
going
to
depend
on
on
maintaining
those
plants
until
they're
sold
and
things.
But
that's
always
a
challenge
here
and
I'm
you
know
quite
frankly,
I
I
think
some
months
are
going
to
go
well.
A
Other
months
aren't
going
to
be
so
well,
so
this
is
a
conditional
use
and
if,
if
they're,
if
there's
something
that
becomes
an
issue,
I
would
suspect
we
could
probably
discuss
that
with
the
business
owner
and
and
see
if
there's
something
that
could
be
done
with
that.
As
far
as
the
the
I
think,
if
I'm
not
mistaken,
there
were
a
couple
of
ornamental
bird
houses
already
hanging
in
there
in
the
yard.
In
approaching
to
the
business.
I
don't
know
that
they
were
for
sale.
A
They
were
mostly
decoration,
so
they
weren't
that
they
weren't
objectionable
to
me
at
all.
I
I
really
as
far
as
I'm
concerned,
I'm
open.
I
I
think
it's.
I
think
that
miss
almagedis,
the
bohemian
gypsy,
is
looking
to
offer
us
another
kind
of
a
service
to
residents
as
far
as
plants
go
and-
and
I
think
that's
fine-
and
usually
I've
always
felt
that
a
rule
of
thumb
that
when
you
approve
a
business,
it's
really
up
to
the
residents
as
far
as
whether
they're
going
to
keep
it
in
business.
A
If
it's,
if
it's
determined
that
it's
not
a
need,
it's
not
going
to
stay
in
business,
so
sometimes
things
get
resolved
that
way,
one
way
or
the
other
other
times.
If
they're,
if
they're
extremely
successful,
then
we
really
made
a
good
decision.
So
that's
all
the
questions.
A
I
have
or
comments
that
I
have
on
this
now
we're
at
the
point
where
we're
going
to
be
making
a
a
motion
to
approve
and
a
second,
but
I
would
ask
that
there
may
be
a
little
bit
of
a
difference
of
opinion
on
some
of
the
commissioners.
A
If,
if
one
commissioner
can
go
ahead
and
and
craft
that
recommendation
and
put
in
there
those
things
that
that
they're
willing
to
support
and,
for
example,
whether
it's
the
staff
recommendations
or
the
pnz
recommendations
or
some
modification
of
the
pnz
recommendations,
if
we
want
to
restrict
the
area
as
far
as
the
display
to
10
or
some
other
percentage
and
then
also
there,
is
that
condition
that
ms
vincent,
I
believe
was
offering
to
have
it
go
to
the
historic
preservation
board
for
those
items
that
are
deemed
necessary?
Is
that
correct,
correct?
Okay?
A
B
G
B
F
B
F
F
F
A
K
A
We're
reconvening
the
meeting
at
8
37
pm
we're
going
to
proceed
with
the
special
consent
agenda
item
15,
adoption
of
the
strategic
plan.
Mr
la
course
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
go
to
ms
vincent
and
miss
vincent.
I
know
we've
we've
got
ms
henning
here
and
ms
crist
is
not
here,
so
I
know
you
want
to
do
some
introductions.
Yes,.
P
Thank
you
so
for
the
board's
consideration,
we
have
the
city
of
tarpon
spring
strategic
plan
community
report
just
a
real
kind
of
a
quick
overview.
P
We
really
kicked
this
process
off
in
earnest
in
june
of
2021,
we
with
the
consultants
university
of
south
or
university
university
of
south
florida
institute
of
government
and
the
collaborative
labs
at
st
pete
college,
and
it's
really
an
18
month
process
to
develop
a
strategic
plan
for
the
city
phases.
One
and
two
are
complete,
and
that
really
is
culminating
in
this.
This
report
that
you
have
before
you
this
evening
upon
acceptance
of
the
report
we'll
move
into
the
implementation
phase,
which
is
really
working
where
the
rubber
meets
the
road.
P
I
suppose
so
this
the
recommendation
is
to
accept
the
report
allowing
for
minor
future
adjustments
and
for
any
grammatical
and
scrivener's
errors
and
with
us
here
to
answer
any
questions
from
the
board
is
andrea,
henning,
with
saint
pete
college
collaborative
labs
and
robin
odegaard,
with
angela
chris
colleague,
with
the
university
of
south
florida
institute
of
government,
so
I'll
step
aside
and
turn
it
over
to
you
and
them.
A
Well,
let
me
just
say
if
you'd
like
to
come
forward,
we're
not
going
to
have
a
presentation,
then.
Is
that
correct,
correct?
Okay,
let
me
just
say
something
that
we
started
this
in
in
2021
formally
by
bringing
the
institute
of
government
and
the
saint
petersburg
college
cooperative
labs
on
board.
A
The
idea
of
the
nucleus
at
least
the
embryonic
idea
of
the
strategic
plan
was
about
a
year
before
that,
but
it
took
us
a
little
bit
to
get
started
and
then
we
proceeded
very
quickly
and
I
believe
that
there
was
very
strong
community
engagement.
We
identified
stakeholders,
businesses,
residents,
leadership
teams
here
at
the
city
city
employees
in
general
were
were
surveyed,
and
that
culminated
and
what
we
have
today
is
the
strategic
plan,
and
I
have
an
introductory
message
in
there
that
I
wish
I
had
it
in
front
of
me
because
that
kind
of
summarizes
everything.
A
But
ms
henning,
I'm
going
to
ask
you
if
you
could
go
ahead
and
summarize,
basically
what
the
plan
is
what's
in
it
and
and
then
we'll
go
from
there.
Q
Q
We've
cast
a
broad
net
from
the
community
involvement,
key
stakeholders,
employees,
lots
of
community
and
citizen
engagements,
many
board
workshops,
many
staff
workshops
and
each
of
the
phases
inform
the
next,
and
so
what
you
have
are
the
vision,
the
mission,
the
goals
we
have
guiding
principles
and
values
before
us
and
it's
very
meaningful,
because
this
has
been
a
great
body
of
work
that
we've
all
contributed
to,
and
I
feel
you
should
be
very
proud
of
what
we've
been
able
to
come
forward
with.
We
were
able
to.
Q
You
know,
establish
six
strategic
themes,
infrastructure,
community
engagement,
quality
of
life,
smart
growth
and
redevelopment
culture,
heritage
and
preservation
and
good
governance
and
within
those
six
strategic
themes,
and
these
all
came
forward
from
from
everyone's
voice.
We
have
goals
that
you
all
prioritize.
Q
Last
time
we
were
together,
we
have
objectives
that
were
carefully
crafted
and
our
living
I
mean
we're
going
to
continue
to
refine
them
as
we
move
along,
and
we
started
to
build
the
the
strategic
tactical
plan
with
the
staff,
and
so
you
can
see
that
we've
made
a
lot
of
progress,
and
so
what
we're
here
to
do
this
evening
is,
in
addition
to
adopting
the
plan,
look
toward
the
next
phase,
which
is
you
know.
I
feel
the
implementation
phase
is
where
the
rubber
meets
the
road.
Q
It's
where
all
strategic
plans
rise
and
fall,
and
it
is
really
the
most
important
piece,
because
now
you
put
in
motion
what
you
have
said
you
were
going
to
do
and
as
we
look
at
the
next,
you
know
eight
months
together
on
this
journey.
Q
I
would
encourage
us
to
to
really
bake
this
strategic
plan
into
the
dna
of
everyday
life
for
the
staff
for
the
board
of
commissioners.
Please
don't
put
it
on
a
shelf
and
let
it
collect
us.
Let's,
let's
make
this
part
of
our
road
map
our
playbook
and
that's
what
we're
going
to
embark
upon
with
the
staff
in
november,
starting
in
november,
with
our
first
quarterly
workshop
and
then
what
we
would
do
is
have
opportunities
to
engage
with
the
board.
Q
Keep
you
apprised
of
the
progress,
we're
making
we're
going
to
build
a
dashboard
so
that
it's
a
living
breathing
plan
and
we'll
reevaluate
and
recalibrate
each
quarter
with
the
staff
we'll
hold
them
accountable.
We'll
hold
you
accountable
as
a
board
of
commissioners,
we'll
engage
with
the
community,
we'll
have
opportunities
for
workshops
in
the
coming
months
to
give
progress
reports
and
ongoing
engagement.
A
Thank
you,
ms
henning.
Let
me
go
to
public
comments.
If
there's
any
public
comments,
the
strategic
plan
is
available
online.
Also,
some
backup
information,
I
think,
with
connect
tarpon
springs
that
correct
ms
vinson.
Okay.
So
if
you
want
to
go
online
and
see
the
whole
process
of
how
it
evolved
and
also
the
plan
itself,
the
implement
the
plan
is
the
plan,
but
the
implementation
is
really
where
you
get
the
value
out
of
the
plan.
A
Yes,
also,
it
is
a
a
first
cut
at
the
plant
as
time
goes
on,
it
will
evolve,
refined
and
focus
in
a
little
more
on
on
what
the
residents
are
hoping
for.
The
community.
B
R
Tina
bucavalus
115
athens
street
and
my
apologies,
but
I'm
recovering
from
bronchitis,
so
my
voice
comes
and
goes.
First
of
all,
I
want
to
congratulate
you
overall
on
the
strategic
plan.
I
think
I
think
it's
an
excellent
start
and
I
was
there
at
the
workshops-
and
I
know
you
were
listening.
R
I
do
have
one
problem
with
with
one
element
of
it
that
I
do
want
to
bring
up,
because
I
do
think
it's
important
in
the
theme
c,
which
has
to
do
with
cultural
resources
goal
c1
protect,
is
protect
the
city's
unique
cultural
heritage,
resources
and
identity,
and
let
me
clarify
that
I
am
a
folklorist
and
cultural
anthropologist.
R
I've
been
professionally
involved
with
documenting
culture
in
the
state
and
working
with
communities
from
miami
to
tallahassee
and
all
around
the
state
for
35
years
or
more,
and
so
I
have
a
great
deal
of
expertise
in
this
area
just
as
background,
but
I
have
no
problem
with
this
goal,
but
I
and
I
remember
when
this
came
up
at
the
meeting-
and
I
wanted
I
felt
objective.
R
One
was
very
problematic,
but
there
was
no
mechanism
at
that
time
for
me
to
state
that
it
was
just
put
out
there
so
objective
c,
one
one
is
market
and
promote
cultural
heritage,
resources
and
identity.
The
first
goal
is
to
market
and
promote
cultural
heritage,
resources
and
identity,
and
this
makes
no
sense
to
me
if
our
goal
is
to
protect.
R
How
who
are
we
we're
marketing,
I'm
assuming
to
tourists?
How
is
this
about
protecting
and
supporting
our
cultural
identity?
We
should
not
take
as
our
first
goal
to
monetize
it,
but
to
protect
it
and
support
it.
This
was
exactly
the
problem
that
we
had
in
2014
with
the
sponge
docs
proposed
renovations,
where
the
whole
goal
was
entirely
oriented
towards
tourists
and
not
supporting
the
community
itself.
R
For
many
years,
the
city's
dominant
municipal
paradigms
have
centered
around
development,
oriented
towards
tourism
and
commercial
interests
rather
than
community
interests,
but
the
people
who
shape
our
communities
from
the
ground
up
should
have
the
primary
agency.
We
need
to
preserve
not
just
our
building
facades
but
the
authentic
cultural
context,
and
not
just
try
to
monetize
it.
What's
most
crucial
in
this
process
is
working
closely
with
the
communities
to
achieve
their
aspirations
and
find
out
the
best
ways
to
preserve
their
traditions.
R
Tourism
to
tarpon
springs
is
largely
cultural,
tourism
and
people
aren't
stupid.
The
more
authentic
things
are,
the
more
the
tourists
will
come,
but
we
have
to,
but
we
have
to
take
care
to
build
from
that
point
and
not
start
from
the
point
of
simply
trying
to
monetize
our
culture.
R
R
Unfortunately,
after
I
decided
to
leave
my
position
is
that
the
buzzer
for
me
all
right,
annie,
samarkos,
okay,
the
city
decided
to
reorganize
and
remove
that
position
and
then
instead
have
an
assistant
director
position.
So
there
currently
is
no
one
on
the
city
staff
whose
background
is
in
in
preserving
culture
and
history
and
heritage,
and
I
would
strongly
suggest
that
the
city
might
come
back
around
to
consider
changing
those
positions
back
to
their
their
original
format.
R
A
K
F
You
know
I
participated
in
this
as
a
as
a
resident
as
I
was
running
for
office
and
also
as
an
official
after
I
was
elected.
I've
seen
the
work
that
went
into
this
plan.
It's
something
that
we've
needed
in
this
city
for
a
substantial
amount
of
time.
I
think
we
put
a
lot
of
effort
into
it.
I
do
not
think
it's
perfect.
It's
a
working
plan
as
planned
should
be,
and
I
look
forward
to
the
workshops-
and
I
wanted
to
thank
you
very
much
for
your
participation,
so.
G
Yeah
we
had
the
opportunity
to
meet
for
many
hours
over
many
days
over
many
months,
and
this
is
where
we're
at,
and
I
appreciate
all
the
work
that
everyone
put
in
from
staff
to
consultants
to
two
different
commission
board
commissions
to
where
we're
at
today.
So
I
do
think
we've
got
a
good
document
and
I
appreciate
your
hard
work
behind
that.
So
thank
you.
C
Thank
you
mayor.
I
agree
with
my
prior
commissioner's
comments.
I
enjoyed
it.
I
was
there
also
as
a
candidate
and
as
a
commissioner,
one
of
the
big
take
out
takeaways
that
I
got
from
it
was
hearing
the
residents
and
actually
most
of
the
staff
wanting
smart
development
and
not
just
development
in
any
open
space
that
we
have
here
in
tarpon
springs
and
let's
build
something
gargantuan
you
know.
C
I
mean
listening
to
what
tina
was
saying,
also
about
having
some
goals
set.
I
mean
all
overall,
it
was
just
very
impressive
for
me.
I
really
feel
like
we
got
an
idea
or
something
it's
like
vice
mayor
said:
it's
not
perfect.
It's
it's
it's
a
wheel
in
motion,
but
it's
a
starting
point
and
if
you
don't
have
a
starting
point,
anybody
can
just
come
up
with
anything
and
it's
if
that's
how
it
runs.
So
you
can't
run
a
city
like
that,
so
I
do
want
to
thank
you.
C
H
H
You
know
whether
it
be
five
ten
years
just
having
those
basic
building
blocks
for
a
foundation
for
us
and
future
boards
to
go
off
of,
and
this
won't
sit
on
the
shelf,
not
with
this
board
and
I'm
sure
the
residents
will
be
able
to
remind
this
board
and
current
boards,
hey,
you
guys
got
a
strategic
plan,
follow
it.
So
thank
you.
Thank
you.
A
Okay,
the
we
had
a
strategic
plan,
actually
that
was
created
in
1993
and
and
kind
of
went
by
the
wayside
in
the
early
2000s.
So
I
appreciate
your
comment
about
not
putting
it
on
the
shelf
and
also
just
simply
letting
it
die.
A
You'll
see
an
agenda
item
a
little
later
about
some
of
the
proposed
charter
amendments
which
has
something
to
do
with
the
strategic
plan
about
memorializing
in
the
charter,
so
we'll
kind
of
move
forward.
With
that
the
one
value
of
the
strategic
plan
was
it
brought
residents
out
to
tell
the
commission
to
tell
the
city
and
the
staff
what
they
want
for
a
city
up
until
this
point
we,
you
know
residents
you'd,
hear
from
some
former
commissioners
that
you
know
we
really
don't.
We
have
an
issue
with
with
getting
information.
A
It's
just
it's
even
hard
enough
to
get
people
to
come
to
commission
meetings.
Well,
we've
got
people
here
now
and
I
think
this
plan
has
gone
a
long
way
to
engage
the
community
and
communicating
with
the
city
government
as
far
as
what
they're
looking
for
and
I
I
really
truly
believe
that
the
city
staff
has
appreciated
the
information.
That's
come
forward
as
well,
so
I'm
hoping
this
will
be
guidance
for
future
commissions
as
well
it
and
then
the
other
thing,
of
course,
was
the
it.
A
A
But
the
fact
is
that
there's
five
items
there's
a
whole
lot
that
aren't
even
in
the
plan,
and
so
what
those
five
items
are
are
a
priority.
And
I've
wrestled
with
this.
As
far
as
the
the
the
the
the
I
guess,
the
list,
as
far
as
which
should
come
first
and
what
should
come?
A
The
other
item
is
that
when
this
project
initiated
the
strategic
planning
process
started,
there
were
a
lot
of
other
processes
that
were
beginning
within
the
city
as
well.
One
of
them
was
the
update
on
the
comprehensive
plan.
We
also
talked
about
the
sustainability
action
plan
that
was
started
at
the
same
time.
A
In
addition,
dr
buccavales
initiated
the
greektown
historic
preservation
association
and
in
promoting
creating
a
character
district
in
that
location
along
and,
of
course,
our
planning
staff
initiated
the
union
academy,
character,
drifter
district
and
we're
working
towards
the
community
rating
agency
for
that
area
as
well.
These
things
did
not
exist
when
the
strategic
plan
started,
so
its
implementation
is
going
to
be
very,
very
important.
A
A
A
You
know
out
of
five
items
which
is
coming
first,
which
is
coming
second
or
maybe
something
that's
missing.
That's
important
that
we
need
to
identify
and
make
a
list
on
it
and
bring
it
up
later
and
also
when
we
do
our
implementation.
We're
going
to
wind
up
making
a
list
on
what
adjustments
have
to
be
made
during
the
the
next
round.
On
this
thing,
with
updating
this
strategic
plan,
that's
all
I've
got
to
say
and
does
commissioners
have
any
other
comments
or
questions
I.
A
Lastly,
I
do
want
to
thank
the
usf
institute
of
government
and
the
st
petersburg
collaborative
labs.
I
know
we
started
out
with
the
institute
of
government
and
then
there
was
kind
of
like
a
whoa.
Maybe
we
should
get
spc
collaborative
labs
on
board
as
well
and
as
I
understand,
the
implementations
could
be
mostly
on
the
shoulders
of
saint
petersburg
college.
Is
that
correct,
correct?
Okay,
all
right?
Well,
thank
you
very
much
for
everything
I
mean
it's
just
a
a
simple
thank
you
from
us
this
evening
and-
and
it
should
be
a
very,
very
huge.
A
Thank
you
to
get
it
to
have
gotten
us
here
with.
Not
just
you
know,
tarpon
springs
is
not
an
easy
town
to
work
within
I
mean
you've
got
some
distinct
personalities
here.
You've
got
some
personalities
that
were
on
the
former
board.
You've
got
a
whole
lot
of
people
out
there
that
that
that
they
all
know
what's
important
for
tarpon
springs.
Thank
goodness,
you
all
were
able
to
pull
out
some
common
things.
Values
goals
the
core
values
of
what
we
believe
in
to
actually
document
them
in
the
plan.
So
thank
you
for
that.
G
A
H
A
D
L
Good
evening,
paul
smith,
public
services,
director
with
me,
also
is
thomas
kyger
acting
public
services
assistant
director.
I
just
want
to
introduce
the
item
and
ask
thomas
to
take
over
for
me
on
this,
he's
put
a
lot
of
work
into
it,
along
with
other
city
staff,
but
I
think
this
is
a
big
opportunity
for
the
city.
I
want
to
say
it's
consistent
with
our
strategic
plan,
part
of
our
infrastructure,
for
adding
renewable
energy.
L
S
Thank
you,
thomas
keiger
assistant
public
services
director
today
we're
asking
for
y'all's
for
the
board's
approval
to
proceed
with
this
project
is
phase
2
of
the
solar
energy
project
for
the
reverse
osmosis
water
treatment
facility.
S
We
would
look
to
award
to
the
to
the
winning
bidder,
and
this
project
again,
as
paul
said,
will
triple
the
amount
of
solar
energy
production,
and
one
thing
we
also
wanted
to
point
out
today
is
that
this
is
perhaps
a
down
payment
on
implementing
one
of
the
goals
within
the
strategic
plan
goal.
1A
calls
for
a
citywide
green
energy
program.
S
A
Thank
you.
Let
me
go
to
public
comments.
Are
there
any
public
comments
concerning
the
new
solar
panels
that
we're
adding
to
the
reverse
osmosis
plant?
Our
water
plant,
the
water
plant,
produces
100
percent
of
our
water
and
we're
at
about
50
capacity.
So
it's
a
very
important
facility
for
our
city,
any
public
comments.
A
Thank
you
come
vice
mayor
long,
let's
go
to
the
commissioners
now
vice
mayor
lund,.
F
S
There
is
additional
room
for
future
phase
three
that
would
be
quite
a
bit.
Smaller
is
my
understanding
than
the
current
face
that
we're
entertaining
today.
F
S
Based
on
the
existing
footprint,
you
know
of
what's
available
on
site
for
additional
solar
capacity.
This
would
not
get
us
to.
We
don't
have
room
on
site
long
term.
This
is
something
we've
talked
about
with
robin
our
sustainability
coordinator,
and
that
would
require
you
know
to
get
to
100.
We
would
just
a
little
bit
more
surface
area
and
so
we'd
probably
be
looking
at
like
off-site
energy
or
something
like
that.
A
G
Yeah
thanks,
I
love
this.
I
think
it's
great
make
your
own
the
city's
making
their
own
water
now
they're
gonna
make
their
own
power
to
make
their
own
water
question
for
you
to
piggyback
off
the
vice
mayor.
What
is
the
I
mean?
What
does
this
take
us
to
capacity?
Are
you
aware
of
that,
or
is
that
something
that
you
connect
with
the
offline.
S
Based
on
our
overall
energy
consumption
with
the
ro
facility
on
an
annual
basis,
this
would
take
us
currently
we're
at
about
five
percent
four
to
five
percent
power
generation.
This
would
take
us
up
to
around
fifteen
percent,
although
it's
important
to
note
that
during
the
day
when
these
are
operate,
the
panels
will
be
producing
power.
Currently,
we
can
go
up
to
about
25
percent
energy
demand
during
the
day,
and
so
this
would
triple
that.
S
S
Right,
yes,
this
will
be
ground
mounted
we're
going
to
utilize
existing
space
in
the
storm
water
ponds,
primarily
they're,
already
impervious
for
permitting
purposes
so
putting
some
solar
panels
on
top
of
them
and
maintaining
all
the
storage
is
a
good
way
to
add
panels
without
the
need
to
add
additional
stormwater
infrastructure,
but
they'll
all
be
ground
mounted.
S
C
Wow
wow,
I'm
not
trading
bills
with
you,
so
I
have
question
two:
is
you
have
an
evaluation
score
and
they
have
advanced.
Roofing
is
102..
What
is
the
score
ratio?
What
are
we
actually
is
120,
the
top?
How
do
we
do?
How
do
we
evaluate
this.
S
That's
a
good
question:
this
was
a
unique
process
where
we
first
pre-qualified
all
of
the
the
applicants
or
I'm
sorry,
the
the
bidders.
So
there
was
an
initial
score
and
then
afterwards
they
were
asked
to
cut
the
pre-qualified
bidders
were
asked
to
submit
bids.
The
scoring
system
was
set
up
in
cooperation
with
procurement.
I'm
not.
I
don't
have
that
in
front
of
me
for
the
total
cost,
but
we
do
have
janina
here
available.
M
You
janina
lewis
procurement
services
director,
so
the
way
we
did
it
was
we
did
the
qualification
scoring
and
the
total
points
value
was
115
points
because
we
did
it
as
a
two-step
bidding
process.
So
first
we
did
the
evaluation
factors
for
the
qualifications
and
the
experience
and
then
that
added
up
to
you
could
get
a
potential
hundred
points.
Then,
when
the
pricing
came
in
the
total
points
you
could
get
for,
that
was
15
points.
That's
why
they
scored
102.
C
Gotcha,
thank
you.
I
would
love
if
you
could
send
me
that
criteria,
because
that's
something
that
interests
me
on
how
that
bid
gets
done.
So
thank
you.
C
So
my
other
last
and
final
question
burke
construction.
What
is
they
did
not
bid
at
ad
alts?
What
does
that
mean.
M
I'm
sorry
so
when
we
sent
out
the
request
for
the
pricing
proposal,
there
was
a
total
base
bid
and
then
there
were
additional
ad
additive
alternatives
that
they
could
bid
on.
M
Then,
if
you
look
at
the
other
two
companies
based
off
of
their
scoring,
they
were
then
it's
a
compilation
of
a
formula
we
use
for
the
points.
So
then
each
one.
Basically
it
would
be
the
next
low
and
then
the
the
next
high
and
then
the
final
whoever
came
in
highest
but
because
they
chose
not
to
bid
on
the
adults.
C
I
need
you
to
try
to
help
me
with
these
adults.
I
just
don't
understand.
I
don't
mean
to
because
they're
rated
fairly
high,
you
have
a
91
evaluation
score,
so
I
still
their
price
was
less
than
half
so
were
they
bidding
on
part
of
the
deal.
I
I
just
don't
understand
that
that's
where
I'm
losing
you
a
little
bit.
M
Let
me
see
if
I
can
explain
so:
basically,
adults
are.
If
we
have
the
budget
to
obtain
those,
then
we
try
to
get
those,
so
we
put
them
in
a
priority
order.
So
we
have
a
total
base
budget
for
the
project
and
that's
what
everyone
is
bidding
on
and
then
the
ad
alternates
are
kind
of.
You
would
consider
them
kind
of
like
a
nice
to
have
if
we
have
the
budget
to
obtain
these.
C
Yes,
I
I
understand
that
it's
just
it's
just
hard
for
me
to
understand
what
they're,
what
they're
actually
bidding
at.
Are
you
saying
that
they're
bit
at
part
of
the
of
the
wish
list.
M
Yes,
they
only
bid
the
total
base
bid.
I
sent
them
a
clarification
and
I
ensured
that
they
understood
the
process
and
they
said
yes,
they
chose
to
only
do
the
total
base
bid.
C
A
B
C
C
Make
sense
why
why
would
you
bid
on
part
of
the
project
and
know
that
you're
you're
not
going
to
get
it,
and
then
you
send
in
a
request,
saying
if
you
don't
bid
on
this
entire
thing,
you're
out
and
they
go
yeah.
We
know
that,
so
why
did
they
waste
any
time
in
the
first
place,
then,
if
this
just
makes
any
common
sense
to
me.
H
That
was
good,
commissioner,
I
only
have
the
installation
just
the
locations.
I
remember
going
to
the
ro
plant
there.
The
solar
panels
are
on
the
north
side
and
I'm
just
concerned
about
the
western
portion.
Is
that
going
to
be
that
drainage
area
right
right
off
of
l,
r
industrial
boulevard
right
in
the
front?
S
A
You
I
these
are
these
panels,
are
I
wanna
say
I
don't
want
to
say
identical,
but
basically
the
same
material,
the
same
type
of
solar
panel
as
the
ones
we've
already
purchased.
Is
that
correct.
S
Yes,
that's
one
reason
we're
very
pleased
with
this
contractor.
They
were
also
the
contractor
for
phase
one,
so
all
the
materials,
the
solar
panels,
the
transformer
equipment,
the
inverters-
will
all
be
compatible
and
same
as
the
exact
same
as
in
phase
one.
A
And
I
do
know,
I
think
I've
asked
this
before
in
the
first
round
of
these
things
are,
I
know,
there's
I
think,
maybe
two
types
of
solar
panels,
one
degrades
faster
than
the
other,
and
if
I'm
not
mistaken,
we
got
the
better
quality
solar
panel
rather
than
the
other
type
of
material.
S
A
A
A
That's
all
I
had
I
I
I'm
familiar
with
the
bidding
process
and-
and
I
know
each
one
is-
is
different
and
I
think
that
each
vendor
is
given
an
opportunity
to
bid
on
the
whole
package,
and
I
think
the
question
of
why
they
didn't
bid
on
the
whole
package
would
be
better
for
the
vendor
to
answer-
and
I
think
sometimes
maybe
that's
the
area
that
they're
comfortable
with
I
I
don't
know
I
don't
know
so
I
understand.
A
Yeah
we
all
we
all
learn
every
time.
Something
like
this
comes
up.
So,
commissioner,
carr
see
that
you
have
your
light
on.
Do
you
have
another
comment?
Yeah.
G
I
said
a
follow-up
question
from
commissioner
eiser
and
I
mean
some
of
the
same
thought
processes
that
I
had
so
when
you-
and
I
understand
that
adults
I
mean
these-
are
you
could
pick
and
choose
you
want
to
do
adult
one
two,
but
you
don't
want
to
do
three
and
four
vice
versa,
but
why
not,
if
is
it
more
like
we
didn't
know
what
the
or
the
city
wasn't
anticipating
like
what
the
bids
could
come
in
at
because
of
inflationary
issues
or
other
things
going
on
to
not
put
it
all
in
one
package
or
is
it?
S
Project
for
this,
it's
fairly
typical
for
us
when
we're
doing
these
larger
construction
projects,
especially
when
there's
a
lot
of
uncertainty
in
construction
pricing
nowadays
to
break
the
project
into
discrete
adults.
That
way,
when
you
bid
the
project,
if
the
costs
come
in
much
higher
than
anticipated
or
much
higher
than
you
budgeted,
you
can
still
proceed
with
a
smaller
scale
of
the
project.
So
we
basically
divide
it
up
into
several
discrete
geographic
segments
and
with
the
the
core
area
and
then
the
additional
panels
to
increase
the
solar
capacity.
G
S
Yes,
that's
the
case,
if
you,
you
know,
if
you
bid
the
overall
project
as
one
base
bid
and
the
the
costs
come
in
extremely
high,
you
know
you
would
have
to
rebuild
the
project
or
change
the
basis
of
how
the
project
was
bid.
If
you
don't
have
the
money
to
build
the
product.
G
S
C
C
S
Read
that
it
is
in
the
backup
documentation
for
the
base
bid,
the
bur
construction
bid,
557
000
and
some
change
and
advanced
roofing
bid,
754
000
and
some
change
and
mat
con
construction
bid.
1.4
million
dollars,
wow
okay,.
S
The
base
bid
was
about
yeah
a
little
less
than
200
thousand
dollars
more
than
the
basement
for
the
other
contractor,
but
they
did
not
bid
on
the
adults,
nor
did
they.
Nor
did
the
the
low
bidder
achieve
the
high
score
in
the
overall
ranking
process.
C
A
No,
no,
I
understand
you,
you
asked
something
interesting
that
I
think
maybe
should
be
clarified,
and,
and
is
there
any
logic
to
with
having
such
a
discrepancy
between
the
lowest
base
and
and
advanced
of
200
000,
just
simply
to
accept
the
base
and
then
re-bid
the
other
adults
in
a
separate
rp.
At
a
later
time,.
S
I
think
there's
a
good
reason
to
proceed
right
now,
we're
obviously
in
an
inflationary
environment.
The
longer
you
wait,
you
know,
we've
often
we've
had
some
cases
where
we've
breeded
projects
and
they've
come
back
more
expensive
in
the
future.
So
you
always
work
operate
at
risk
when
you
go
to
re-bid
something.
S
The
other
thing
is
that,
based
on
the
winning
bidder's
proposal,
the
added
the
additive
alternatives
are
actually
some
of
the
most
cost.
Effective,
effective
portions
of
the
project,
so
including
the
adults
from
this
contractor
actually
greatly
improves
the
cost
effectiveness
of
the
overall
project
on
a
like
dollars
per
kilowatt
of
capacity
basis.
A
Thank
you
that
you
you've
said
the
right
things.
So
are
there
any
other
commissioner
comments.
F
F
So
if
that
makes
any
sense,
a
little
more
sense
as
to
how
they
responded
to
this
because
I've
I
took
a
detailed
look
in
to
what
they
did.
So
you.
F
H
A
T
B
N
B
A
I
you
want
me
to
do
this.
Yeah,
okay,
I
think
everybody's
gone
through
the
the
backup.
There
really
isn't
any
percentage
that
the
city
manager
put
down
it's
it's
basically
up
to
the
commission.
It's
the
fourth
three
charter
officials.
Actually,
the
city
attorney
is
under
contract.
A
It
would
be
the
city,
manager's,
salary
adjustment,
the
city,
clerk
collectors,
satellite
salary
adjustment
and
also
the
internal
auditor's
salary
adjustment.
A
I
think
at
that
level
is
five
percent
is
what
was
given
to
all
the
other
employees
department
heads
so
forth.
The
only
difference
is
mr
pulos
has
asked
for
a
an
increase
in
the
wage
schedule.
Salary
schedule
bump
him
up
one
and
then
also
that
would
that
would
give
him
five
percent
and
then
also
he's
requested
the
normal,
not
requested,
but
consider
the
additional
five
percent
that
the
other
charter
officials
would
have.
Also,
mr
poulos
has
given
you
a
couple
of
examples
of
other
internal
auditors.
A
If
I'm
not
mistaken
that
he
has
provided
you
as
far
as
comparison
to
his
salary,
I
I
always
want
to
do
a
little
research,
so
I
I
go
and
look
at
what
the
expected
cpi
is
it.
I
think
it
was
projected
to
be
about
4.7,
so
5
really
isn't
a.
What
would
you
call
it
a
raise
as
much
as
just
keeping
up
with
with
inflation?
A
So
that's
what
we
have
and
I'd
like
to
hear
from
the
commissioners
I
mean
if
you,
if,
from
my
perspective,
I
don't
have
an
issue
with
a
five
percent
given
what
the
cpi
is
and
then
also
mr
pulos
came
in
here.
He's
actually
came
in
less
than
what
he'd
asked
for,
and
I
I
think
he's
provided
some
justification
for
what
he'd
like
for
this
time.
It's
really
just
a
five
percent
difference
from
what
the
other
charter
officials
and
that's
just
increasing
his
salary
range
to
make
it
more
competitive.
F
F
Outside
of
the
the
the
five
percent
jump
that
that
mr
pulis
is
looking
for
with
a
with
a
reclassification,
it
basically
just
puts
them
above
the
pay
grade
map.
For
that
thing,
so
I'm
in
total
agreement.
I
think
it
deserves
it.
A
I
do
too,
commissioner
carr.
A
Thank
you,
commissioner.
Eisner,
commissioner
kulias,
no
comments.
Okay,
public
comment:
are
there
any
residents
or
members
of
the
public
that
are
here
this
evening?
That
would
like
to
make
a
comment.
B
A
Thank
you,
given
that
there
are
any
more
comments,
public
or
commissioner
may
have
a
motion
to
approve
the
five
percent
for
the
three
charter
officials,
plus
the
salary
range
adjustment
for
the
internal
auditor
and
the
second.
H
M
A
Yes,
okay:
item
18,
reconsideration
of
settlement
of
code
enforcement
lien,
mr
moore,
are
you
going
to
be
able
to
handle
this
force
this
evening
or.
K
I'm
capable
of
handling
it,
though
it
was
my
understanding.
Staff
was
taking
lead
on.
A
There
were
some
adjustments.
I
think
the
commission
had
some
questions
for
additional
information.
I
know
mr
trask
provided
that
and.
A
K
Yeah
there
were
requests
for
additional
information.
It's
my
understanding
that
mr
trask
sent
each
of
you
correspondence,
as
provided
by
the
legal
counsel
for
the
requesting
party.
Ultimately,
it
is
their
request
and
it
is
theirs
to
substantiate
for
to
your
satisfaction.
Okay,.
A
A
Okay
attorney,
thank
you.
Do
you
are
you
here
to
answer
any
questions
or
all
right.
I
Okay,
I
know
the
city
is
concerned
that
there's
a
91
000
lien
here
and
why
should
we
give
a
reduction?
And
let
me
tell
you
the
reasons
why,
right
now,
that's
a
blight
on
19,
this
property,
where
you,
those
mexicanos
restaurant,
used
to
be.
I
So,
if
you
allow
mr
kreidler,
if
we
can
come
to
a
resolution,
let
mr
kreidler
build
that
building
increase
your
tax
base,
get
some
revenues
and
you're
going
to
make
up
the
shortfall
that
that
you're
going
to
be
that
I'm
asking
for
in
no
time
flat.
Otherwise,
it's
going
to
sit
here.
It's
going
to
be
a
blight
on
the
on
the
us
19
for
for
quite
a
while.
I
Just
quickly.
Last
week,
new
york,
newport
richie
city,
newport
richie,
had
some
property.
My
client
had
property
on
us,
19
pasco,
auto
sales,
40
000
lean,
my
client
died
along
comes
a
coffee
house.
Restaurant
that's
going
to
build
on
there.
We
settled
that
for
15
000
just
last
week
because
they
sell
the
long-term
vision
they're
going
to
have
a
building
up
there.
It's
going
to
look
nice
they're,
going
to
increase
their
tax
value
and
that's
what
I'm
asking
this
board
to
consider
the
long-term
effects.
I
A
Okay,
thank
you,
mr
president,
since
we've
gone
to
mr
pearl
and
I'm
going
to
ask
if
there's
any
other
members
of
the
public
that
like
to
make
a
comment
at
this
time,.
A
Thank
you.
Let's
go
to
the
commission
of
vice
mayor
lon.
F
I
understand
so,
as
I
understand
that
mr
cradler
made
an
agreement
with
mr
arneson
that
mr
arneson
be
responsible
for
the
code
enforcement
liens.
That.
F
Your
opinion
is
that
a
binding
contract.
F
So
it's
a
it's
a
binding
contract
that
okay,
I'm
trying
to
get
the
name
straight
here.
I'm
sorry
that
I
understand
neither
of
them
caused
the
liens
to
be
placed
on
the
property,
but
it's
a
binding
contract
that
mr
arneson
agreed
to
be
responsible
for
the
code.
Enforcement's
leads
that
is
correct.
Are
you
suggesting
now
that
he's
trying
not
to
be
responsible
for
the
code
enforcement?
No.
I
F
I
understand
that,
but
that's
a
normal
practice
of
business.
Mr
arneson
took
a
risk
in
handling
this.
He
had
a
verbal
contract.
That
said,
he
would
accept
responsibility
for
these
liens
and
now
you're
telling
me
that,
because
of
whatever
whatever
business,
which
were
not
responsible
losses
that
he
had
that
that
he's
decided
he
doesn't
want
to
be
responsible
for
it
and
he
he
wants
to
be
only
responsible
for
a
portion
of
it.
Is
that
not
true?
That
is
correct.
G
Yeah,
I
mean
there's
just
a
couple
things
that
mr
turney,
I
I
feel
like
it
was
more
of
a
threat
when
you
first
came
out
the
door,
I
don't
think
that's
appreciated
to
come
out
and
make
a
threat
that
it's
you
have
a
chance
to
for
it
to
sit
here
for
many
more
years,
because
you're
gonna
have
your
two
parties.
Fighting
amongst
each
other
sign
up
threat
is
just
a.
G
With
that
I
have
an
understanding
of,
I
want
to
see
properties
move
on
the
property
has
most
of
it's
been
demolished
and
cleaned
up,
which
is
what
we
want
compliance.
I
don't
know
the
person
owns
it.
I
don't
know
the
person
that
sold
it
obviously
they're,
not
very
good
at
business.
I
think
it's
pretty
clear.
G
So
with
that
I
mean
I.
I
want
to
see
this
moving
forward.
I
want
to
see
the
property
redeveloped
and
moving
forward
with
that.
I
looked
at
the
backup,
there's
30
000
in
escrow,
I'm
assuming
that's
the
risk
that
the
owner
was
taking,
and
this
is
going
to
be
a
question
for
you
at
this
point.
That's
correct.
Okay
was
that
the
agreement
at
like
cover
up
to
30
000?
Yes,
when
they
made
the
verbal
agreement?
G
C
Carl,
commissioner,
thank
you
mayor.
Thank
you,
mr
permanent.
I
know
you
and
I
spoke
on
the
phone.
We
had
a
conversation
that
I
kind
of
explained
to
you
that
the
buyer
and
seller
both
knew
the
obligation-
and
I
know
you're
coming
here
now,
asking
that
we
forgive
the
whole.
You
know
the
90
000
or
forgive
the
90
to
30,
but
what
I
asked
you
on
the
phone
was
to
come
back
with
a
number
different
than
30..
C
I
know
you
had
said
to
me.
You
wanted
me
to
come
back
at
a
number,
but
I
kind
of
told
you.
I
don't
negotiate
with
myself,
so
you
still
didn't
come
back
with
a
number
that
I
would
be
palatable
to
go
and
say:
okay
with.
I
C
I
have
to
go
back
to
what
the
vice
mayor
said
with
the
with
the
the
buyer
and
seller
not
present
when
they
made
this
deal.
I
just
don't
understand
it's
like.
Is
it
the
word
on
the
street
that
tarpon
springs
negotiates
and
brings
down
the
price
just
be
on
the
asking
I
mean
you
know,
people
lost
money
in
the
stock
market.
Does
that
mean
that
they
don't
eat?
Tonight
I
mean
you
know
your
reasoning
of
what
you're
giving
us
is
because
he
lost
250
000
in
a
deal
totally
unrelated
to
tarpon
springs.
I
C
I
C
That
would
have
to
be
the
vote
by
the
the
board.
A
H
I
I
H
Okay-
and
you
had
mentioned
you're
willing
to
make
a
settlement
offer
of
50
grand
that's.
H
G
G
Yeah
so
I
mean
I'm
happy
to
support
a
50,
000
and
I'll
make
that
motion.
A
Better
than
30
right,
yes,
okay,
I'm
I
don't
that's
just
test
the
waters.
If
I
may
have
a
a
motion
for
settle
this
for
fifty
thousand
dollars
and
if
there's
a
second
yeah.
G
A
Is
there
any
further
discussion
we're
going
to
have
a
roll
call
on
that
and
see
if
that
works?
I
think
mayor.
F
Think
we
should
move,
I
I
keep
seeing
the
city
pay
for
other
people's
mistakes
and
I
don't
think
it's
correct.
We
have
a
fine
schedule.
It
had
a
lien
on
the
property,
there
was
a
contract
in
place
that
fully
disclosed
the
lien
and
then
all
of
a
sudden
we're
just
going
like.
Well,
okay,
you
don't
you
don't
have
to
pay
that,
and
I
disagree
with
that.
Okay.
A
Okay,
well,
we
have
a
a
motion
and
a
second.
Let
me
just
ask
one
question:
as
a
as
the
chair,
you
would
not
settle
for
anything
less
than
ninety
thousand
dollars.
I
would
not
okay,
commissioner
eisner.
C
A
Well,
I
agree
with
you
on
that.
I
don't
I
don't.
I
don't
disagree
with
you
at
all.
I
think
we
need
to
have
a
policy
that
would
be
able
to
provide
the
city
attorney
in
the
future.
As
far
as
negotiating
fine
reductions,
I
mean
that's
basically
the
way
we
should
be
operating.
There
should
be
a
policy
for
that,
and
I
know
the
city
attorney
tries
the
best
he
can
and
brings
us
what
it
would
be
the
best.
A
I
think
that
that
he
would
be
able
to
negotiate,
but
that
doesn't
mean
that's
something
that
we
would
be
settled
for
or
if
there's
something
that's
a
policy
from
the
commission.
He
could
hand
that,
to
the
person
and
say,
look
it
isn't
going
to
go
anywhere
until
you
get
to
reach
this
number.
So
I
agree.
I
understand
what
you're
saying
all
right.
Having
said
that,
the
hour
is
getting
late,
I'd
like
to
we've
got
a
motion
and
a
second,
let's
have
roll
call.
Please.
A
I
Thank
you.
Do
you
want
me
to
finish
this
up
with
mr
trask
as
far
as
the
money
getting
the
money
to
the
city.
A
A
Number
20
is
to
authorize
the
city
attorney
to
seek
establishing
the
city
of
tarpon
springs
as
an
affected
party
indiana
in
the
matter
of
the
anclote
river
park,
restaurant
in
pasco
county.
That's
something
that
miss
vinson!
Is
she
here
or
is
that
something
miss
vincent
you're
there?
A
Ms
vincent
and
I
had
a
meeting
with
chairperson
catherine
starkey
in
pasco
county,
and
we
conveyed
to
them
that
this
is
what
we
would
be
doing.
They
didn't
seem
to
have
an
objection.
I
think
we're
already
receiving
emails
as
far
as
status
of
things
is
that
correct.
A
They've
changed
their
mind,
but
I
think
it's
important
to
establish
ourselves
as
an
affected
party.
Can
you
shed
some
light
on
this
a
bit
miss
vincent
as
far
as
what
needs?
What
were
where
the
affected
parties
gonna
take
us
and
and
where
we
could
actually
have
an
effect
on
the
outcome
of
the
project.
P
So
the
project
does
require
some
type
of
land
use
map
amendment
amendment
to
their
comprehensive
plan.
I
also
think
it
probably
requires
some
type
of
zoning,
although
in
our
discussions
with
them
it
may
not,
it
may
be
more
of
like
a
conditional
use,
but
basically
anything
that
requires
an
action
that
is
especially
with
the
comprehensive
plan
amendment.
P
It
gives
us
an
opportunity,
as
well
as
pinellas
county,
to
to
provide
input
and
into
that
process.
Just
like
a
citizen
would
come
would
come
to
us.
So
that's
what
we
you
know
intend
to
do
and
we
really
want
to
try
to
stay
on
top
of
the
process.
A
B
Good
evening
my
name
is
nancy
thompson.
I
reside
in
pasco
and
I'm
one
of
the
affected
parties
as
well.
I
live
in
the
holiday
lake
estates
and
I
have
some
pretty
grave
concerns
about
what
they're
looking
to
do.
This
is
a
massive
project
and
they're
looking
to
put
in
a
20
000
square
foot
restaurant
within
the
river
park
itself
and
then
redevelop
the
entire
waterfront
with
floating
docks
and
other
things
and
add
parasailing
and
wave
runners
and
live
music
during
the
week
at
night
and
then
all
day
on
the
weekends.
B
I
moved
here
because
I
love
the
anclote
area,
so
I'm
pretty
disturbed
over
the
fact
that
they're
looking
to
do
this-
and
I
was
hoping
that
maybe
tarpon
springs
would
come
into
it
as
far
as
being
on
the
other
side
of
the
river
because
being
in
an
unincorporated
part
of
pasco
county,
they
don't
really
listen
to
the
residents
a
lot.
So
I
do
plan
on
contacting
key
vista
subdivision
and
gulf
wind
subdivision
and
trying
to
talk
to
some
other
people
in
my
subdivision,
which
is
about
2500
homes.
B
Don't
think
the
people
there
don't
care
they
do
very
much.
The
problem
is
that
pasco
county
is
very
bad
about
notifying
us
of
any
public
meetings.
When
they
come
up,
they
will
announce
them
the
day
of
and
a
lot
of
people
are
working.
They
don't
hear
it
on
the
news
or
they'll
take
out
a
little
tiny
ad
in
the
newspaper
for
a
public
hearing,
and
we
don't
know
it
exists.
A
K
O
O
So
I
would
recommend
highly
recommend
you
contact
the
division
of
historical
resources
to
let
them
know
what's
going
and
being
involved
in
this,
because
they
may
have
a
say
in
this,
but
we
definitely
need
to
be
an
affected
party,
because
there's
traffic
issues
that
road
is
an
old
two-lane
road.
You
go
out
there
you're
driving
straight
along
what
is
it
bailey's,
bluff,
road
or
something
one
runs
along
the
ankle
around
by
the
power
plant
and
people
are
passing
all
the
time
you're
going
to
have
congestion.
O
Also,
the
fact
that
they're
wanting
to
use
the
trail
as
a
public
means
of
getting
people
from
their
resort
to
that
that
trail
was
meant
for
pedestrians
and
bicycles
and
now
they're
going
to
want
to
be
putting
golf
carts
on
there
there's
hazards
all
over
the
place.
So
it's
imperative
that
we
coordinate
with
pinellas
county
as
rene
mentioned
just
a
moment
ago.
O
Getting
them
involved,
I'm
not
sure
how
much
they're
aware
of
it,
but
we
definitely
need
to
communicate
with
their
parks
and
recreation
or
whoever
else
would
be
responsible
for
also
applying
as
an
affected
party
with
us.
So
this
is
definitely
something
that
will
affect
us,
even
though
it's
not
in
our
county,
as
the
mayor
mentioned
once
before,
we're
on
the
north
side,
where
we're
ignored
by
pinellas
and
on
the
south
side.
O
You
know
we
got
pascal
on
the
north
and
they
don't
pay
any
attention
to
us.
So
we
definitely
need
to
put
an
affected
party
status
in
and
we'd
like
to
maybe
have
on
the
website
any
communications
or
any
updates
with
regards
to
this
project.
So
the
citizens
also
can
be
aware.
Maybe
we
can
also
put
our
input
into
the
process.
Thank
you
for
your
time
and
thank
you
for
doing
this.
O
F
I
can
think
of
a
myriad
of
reasons
why
tarpon
springs
in
pinellas
county
is
an
affected
party
in
this
case
just
the
idea
of
the
congestion
on
the
river,
the
increase
in
personal
watercraft,
parasailing,
music
at
night
music,
all
day
long
on
the
weekends
having
I
I
live
on
the
water,
you
can
hear
things
across
the
water
pretty
well,
I'm
pretty
sure
that
the
neighbors
that
are
directly
adjacent
across
the
the
anclote
are
gonna
not
be
happy
with
all
the
noise.
F
I
know
as
as
a
regular
boater
that
I'm
not
going
to
be
happy
with
all
the
traffic
and
all
that
and
the
tourism.
But
that's
you
know
that's
from
my
position.
I'm
sure
the
the
citizens
of
tarpon
springs
want
to
speak
out
on
this
more
as
we
go
by,
and
I
think
we
definitely
should
go
for
whatever
we
can
get.
As
far
as
the
factory
party
status.
G
Yeah,
I
wasn't
here
for
the
conversation
during
the
last
meeting,
so
mr
city
attorney,
do
you
have
any
information
that
you
can
share
on
with
me
on
how
the
city
of
tarpon
springs
can
be
considered
an
effective
party
in
this
situation.
K
Since
the
last
meeting,
it's
my
understanding
that
the
city
attorney
trask
has
provided
additional
basis
with
reference
to
statutory
basis
for
its
involvement,
its
potential
involvement
by
virtue
of
florida
statute,
and
that
was
sent
to
the
council
on
august
24.
Sorry,
I'm
trying
to
find
the
precise
date
there
was
correspondence
sent
precisely
for
providing
its
justification
for
its
involvement
based
on
statutory
authority
for
the
city's
ability
as
a
municipality
where
there
is
a
proposed
where
there
may
be
a
proposed
land
use
redesignation,
as
discussed
by
staff.
K
That
may
provide
us
a
basis
now
again,
if
that
development
happens
in
a
manner
that
is
different
than
what
staff
anticipates
and
contemplates
that
may
change
the
process
they
adopt
and
may
very
well
affect
all
the
city's
ability
to
be
involved
to
the
surprise
of
some
change.
Circumstances
changes
analysis.
So
the
analysis
in
this
case
is
given
the
proposed
changed,
land
uses,
etc.
There's
statutory
basis
for
the
city's
involvement.
G
Okay,
I
mean
some
of
these
items.
We
as
a
city-
I
don't
think
have
any
shouldn't
have
any
say
in
some
of
these
items
that
are
listed
here.
The
safety
of
the
navigation
of
the
the
river
is
obviously
a
big
one.
Noise
is
a
big
one.
G
So,
for
those
reasons,
I'm
I'm
gonna
support
this
tonight,
but
there's
certain
things
that
it's
not
our
county,
it's
not
our
city,
but
we
have
to
think
about
the
impacts
that
that
could
have
on
our
city
and
that's
the
part
that
I
want
to
focus
on
here,
not
because
they're
going
to
parasailing
or
they're
going
to
have
more
traffic
in
pasco
county.
That's
the
part,
I'm
not
concerned
about
I'm
more
concerned
about
the
safety
aspect
of
it,
and
also
what
will
it
impact
tarpon
springs
on?
C
If
you
look
at
the
diagram
of
what
they
designed
they're
looking
to
change
the
whole
area
of
the
river,
they
even
have
a
fishing
pier
that
comes
out
almost
to
my
house,
and
I
am
an
affected
party.
I
live
directly
across
from
them.
I
hear
the
music
from
miss
vicki's
daily.
I
don't
want
to
hear
their
music,
but
I
did
also
take
it
upon
myself.
This
is
not
an
evidentiary
hearing
correct.
C
I
took
it
upon
myself
to
call
the
army
corps
of
engineers.
I
spoke
with
them
on
the
phone.
C
I
did
make
make
them
aware
that
we
seem
to
be
the
people
that
are
responsible
financially
for
the
well-being
of
the
anclote
river,
and
this
would
not
be
a
good
place,
of
course,
to
put
this
type
of
facility.
They
have
transient
boats
parked
there.
They
have
the
power
plant
there
there's
a
half
a
million
different
reasons,
as
vice
mayor
said,
for
why
I
would
not
want
it
to
be
there.
C
H
A
Yeah
I,
what
was
the
number
you
used
vice
mayor
london,
a
million
reasons,
a
million
reasons.
B
A
You
know
it's
going
to
be
from
a
passive
single-use
part
to
a
mixed
use
in
terms
of
commercial
recreation.
Ms
vincent
didn't
mention,
there's
a
thousand
foot
waiver
that
the
paschal
county
is
going
to
have
to
approve
for
itself
to
be
able
to
serve
alcohol
in
the
park
any
other
park.
It's
a
thousand
foot
distance.
So
there's
so
many
things
that
are
strange
about
this
resort,
that
they're
giving
up
open
recreational
space
for
commercial
activity
and
and
there's
absolutely
no.
A
Other
nonsense:
we're
going
to
wind
up
with
more
of
those
residents
which
would
be
welcomed.
As
long
as
there
is
room
here
in
tarpon
springs
at
sunset,
beach
and
howard
park,
many
of
the
days
we
already
shut
down
howard
park
anyway.
So
there's
a
lot
of
concerns.
I
have
the
river
itself
is
worth
250
million
dollars
worth
of
revenue
to
us
each
year.
A
There's
no
nighttime
law
enforcement.
The
restaurant
is
going
to
be
open
at
night.
There's
no
law
enforcement
on
the
river
we've
got
commercial
boats
coming
transiting
out
and
coming
into
the
river
at
night
I
mean
there's
a
lot
of
just
issues.
One
resident
is
concerned
with
the
jet
boat.
Rentals
that
that
they're
going
to
be
especially
the
people
that
are
new
to
jet
skis,
are
going
to
want
to
be
in
that
area.
A
A
Anyway,
so
there's
a
lot
of
aspects
to
this,
we
need
to
deal
with
and,
of
course,
we're
going
to
learn
more
about
this
as
we
go
is
there?
Is
any
restaurant
size
objectionable?
I
don't
know,
but
certainly
what's
being
proposed
right
now
is
so
I
I
do
have
a
question
for
mr
mora.
A
The
process
is
basically
going
to
be
a
letter
from
our
attorney
referencing,
whatever
statutes
that
mr
trask
has
already
cited
to
us
and
then
make
a
request,
and
then
we
await
for
a
response
from
their
attorney.
Their
legal
attorney
is
that
the
way
it
normally
works
or
do
we
have
to
show
up
at
a
meeting
and
request
to
be.
K
I
want
to
clarify
that
in
answering
member
carr's
inquiry
before
ordinarily,
a
affected
party
status
is
based
on
proximity
and
a
series
of
factors
dating
to
case
law
going
back
as
far
as
the
1970s,
the
renault
case,
or
something
along
those
lines.
In
this
case,
it
is
tied
to
the
florida
statute
on
a
land
use,
change,
comprehensive
plan
changes,
and
that
was
in
fact
circulated
to
the
council
on
august.
24Th
at
10
am
from
mr
trask.
K
As
far
as
whether
that
means
we
would
have
to
appear
at
hearings
or
be
able
to
submit
written
submissions,
that
is,
in
part,
going
to
be
a
function
of
their
process
and
whatever
rules
of
procedure
they
have
and
also
where
they
are
in
that
process.
At
this
part,
it's
somewhat
in
its
infancy.
It's
it's
somewhat
nascent.
It
has.
There's
not.
K
You
know
a
complete
full
plan
and
here's
the
comp
plan
amendment
and
the
policy
and
objectives
and
goals
that
that
they're
proposing
to
amend
so
as
that
process
matures
perfects
itself
that
will
inform
what
role
the
city
has
and
when
and
ultimately
what
opinions
it
just
decides.
As
you
said,
if
we
is
there
any
configuration,
I
don't
know,
and
similarly
what
involvement
the
city
will
have
will
vary
based
on
their
rules.
Okay,.
A
A
A
D
P
Thank
you
I'll.
Just
give
you
a
very
brief
overview.
P
As
you
know,
the
the
developers
here
tonight
has
been
before
the
board
previously
seeking
a
conditional
use
approval
for
a
hotel
project
at
the
sponge
docs
on
the
property,
that's
kind
of
generally
known
as
the
mena
property
that
proposal
and
its
iterations
basically
failed,
and
so
the
applicant
is
now
requesting
to
negotiate
a
development
agreement
on
that
same
property
for
a
hotel,
I'll,
just
I'll
hit
the
highlights
and
then
I'll
let
the
applicant
or,
however,
you
want
to
handle
this
fill
in
the
blanks,
but
the
proposal
would
be,
for
you
know,
property
if
hotel
property,
no
less
than
80
units.
P
The
it
would
outlaw
outline
also
all
the
obviously
the
necessary
permitting
steps
that
have
to
take
place,
which
would
be
a
conditional
use
in
a
site
plan
and-
and
then
importantly,
you
know
provide
for
the
architecture
that
would
contribute
to
the
to
the
historic
nature
of
the
area.
So
it
really
is
a
the.
The
intent
of
the
development
agreement
is
to
kind
of
capture
all
these
elements
and
bring
it
together
in
one
document.
P
It
does
not
bind
the
board,
you
know
it,
so
I
now
defer,
obviously
to
the
attorney
on
on
the
on
the
the
particulars
of
how
the
development
agreement
operates,
but
for
this
evening
this
request
to
negotiate
is
just
that.
It
is
a
an
open
request
and
there's
no,
you
know
either
you
will
prove
it
or
not,
and,
and
we
move
on
from
there,
if
you
do
approve
it,
then
they'll
do
a
full
submission
and
we'll
start
the
negotiation.
So.
A
Q
Thank
you,
mr
mayor
and
commissioner,
at
the
last
hearing,
when
we
were
here
before
you
to
request
the
approval
of
the
conditional
use,
the
mayor
mentioned
and
asked
about
entering
into
a
development
agreement
and
at
the
time,
because
it
was
a
pretty
black
and
white
request
that
the
development
agreement
hadn't
been
something
that
was
requested
but
or
considered.
But
during
that
time
period
of
look
working
with
staff
on
the
conditional
use
and
working
with
the
community.
Q
Mr
fritzia
and
his
wife
are
very
willing
to
get
feedback
from
the
commission
and
from
the
community.
There
was
not
a
lot
of
consensus
with
respect
to
the
architectural
design.
Q
Q
Q
Q
So
it
does
would
look
a
little
bit
different
on
the
site.
You
know
we
had
talked
to
staff
before
that.
Maybe
a
taller
building
in
some
places
might
be
acceptable
if
it
was
smaller.
There
are
all
sorts
of
things
you
can
do
with
mass,
but
the
bottom
line
is
to
make
a
project
financially
feasible
and
to
make
it
worthwhile
for
a
hotel
to
be
constructed
in
this
area.
On
a
site
like
this,
an
80
room
minimum
size
would
be
necessary.
Q
We've
heard
from
the
city
manager
that
he
had
gotten
feedback
that
that
still
might
be
too
large.
So
hopefully
tonight
we
can
get
some
specific
direction
about
that.
Mr
richard
would
also
like
to
say
a
few
words.
T
Good
evening,
good
evening,
everybody
thank
you
for
hearing
me
and
my
wife
again.
Maybe
we
make
it
four
in
the
morning
today,
but
we
will
see.
I
I
heard
comments.
I
had
comments
from
you.
I
heard
comments
from
the
public
first,
I
want
to
say
to
make
sure
that
everybody
instant
if
we
were
to
build
a
hotel,
it
would
be
owned
by
me
and
my
wife
choice.
Just
is
a
franchise
which
supports.
You
know
certain
systems,
certain
functions.
T
T
Land
is
not
cheap
right.
So
that's
why
we
cannot
do
60
or
70
rooms.
It
just
does
not
work.
We
also
wouldn't
have
the
support
from
choice.
Hotel
group
at
that
point
and
choice,
hotel
group
deems
toppings
brings
a
great
location,
especially
the
sponge
dogs.
The
sponge
dogs
itself
have
a
million
one
hundred
thousand
people
visited
every
year
and
the
only
place
you
can
stay
in
proximity
is
airbnbs.
T
The
merchant
association
collected
160
signatures
from
people
who
have
businesses
on
on
the
sponge
dogs
as
well
as
on
downtown.
I
think
that
shows
great
support
for
our
cause,
my
wife
and
and
me
are
willing
to
do
anything.
You
guys
like
to
to
ask
us
as
long
as
it's
feasible,
we
would
share
architectural
control
with
you
guys
we
right
now.
There
is
no
guidelines
in
top
and
springs
right,
but
we
are
saying
now-
and
we
said
that
before
right,
if
you
tell
us
what
we
want,
we
build
it
right.
T
It
was
said
that
60
65
rooms,
something
like
this
it
was
conveyed
to
us-
would
be
preferable
right,
but
the
difference
between
a
80
room,
hotel
and
a
60
room
hotel
is
is
not
that
dramatic
and
david
could
attest
to
that.
What
that
means
in
building
that,
I
also
would
like
to
mention
that
the
piece
of
land
is:
is
undeveloped.
T
As
I
mentioned
before,
my
wife
and
me
want
to
be
here
right
and
we
are
willing
to
work
with
top
and
springs,
and
the
citizens
of
tarpon
springs
in
in
any
fashion
again,
as
long
as
it
makes
financial
sense
we're
going
to
remove
also
the
balconies
looking
west,
because
some
neighbors
complain
there's
going
to
be
balconies.
People
are
going
to
be
on
the
balconies
they're
going
to
be
talking,
they're
going
to
be
listening
to
music,
so
we're
not
invading
their
space.
T
We
had
a
traffic
study
done.
The
traffic
study
was
redone
and
redone
and
we're
done,
and
it
said
that
it
wouldn't
cause
any
harm
to
the
sponge
dogs.
This
was
asked
for,
if
there's
any
other
request,
we
can
do
this
traffic
studies
again.
We
are
willing
to
do
this,
as
I
said,
we're
willing
to
do
anything
you
like
I.
I
hope
we
can
have
an
open
forum
today
and
negotiate
that
my
wife
and
me,
I
think,
showed
the
willingness
to
be
here
we
want
to
be
here.
T
We
don't
have
any
architectural
drawings
tonight,
because
we
we
did
three
sets
of
drawings
and
it's
obviously
not
cheap
to
do
something.
Like
that,
and
we
want
your
input
right-
how
you
would
like
it
to
look
than
us
dictating
this
step.
A
Mr
fritchie,
if
we
can
move
on
with
the
public
comments,
I
would
appreciate
it.
I
I
understand.
I
think
all
the
commission
understands
what
your
interests
are.
We
just
need
to
finish
the
meeting
at
a
you
know
in
a
reasonable
time,
and,
and
we've
got
a
lot
more
to
go.
A
At
the
moment,
I
just
what
I
want
to
do
is
get
a
sense
from
the
public
come
to
the
commission.
I
also
have
a
question
a
procedural
question
for
ms
vincent
that
I'd
like
for
her
to
answer.
A
T
Okay,
mr
may
I
understand
that
right,
my
wife
and
me
engaged
with
the
city
of
tarpon
in
february.
Right
I
have
to
land
under
contract
right
at
one
point,
my
my
hand
needs
to
be
played
right.
You
understand
that
right
where
I
either
purchase
it
or
I
have
to
put
money
hard
right
and
I
I
again
we
showed
our
willingness
to
be
here
with
what
we
have
done
so
far.
A
And
I
hope
you
understand
that.
Thank
you,
ms
vincent,
if
you
could
just
give
us
a
snapshot
as
far
as
the
development
agreement,
the
authorization
we
proceed
to
a
development
agreement,
then
it
looks
like
we'll
converge
to
something
that
may
be
reasonable
to
bring
to
the
commission.
Then,
where
do
we
go
from
there?
Just
in
a
quick
snapshot.
P
So
once
you
authorize
the
request
and
negotiate,
they
have
to
then
submit
there's
a
in
our
code.
It
says
what
you
have
to
submit
that
gets
reviewed
by
the
technical
review
committee
and
then
basically,
the
city
manager.
P
We
have
to
report
to
the
city
manager
and
he
comes
back
to
the
board
and
says:
okay,
we're
ready
to
to
we're
ready
to
go
to
negotiate.
Essentially
so
so
I
got
the
code
in
front
of
me
here.
P
P
Once
a
if
so
we
go
through
the
develop
if
the
development
agreement
actually
gets
approved,
then
then
there's
a
time
period
that
they
have
to
it's
going
to
lay
out
what
what
else
is
necessary.
The
conditional
use
the
site
plan,
whatever
whatever
those
requirements
of
the
development
agreement,
are
they'll,
be
those
have
to
be
laid
out,
and
then
they
have
to
go
through
that
process.
A
P
Oh
okay,
no,
it
goes
to
the
pnc
board,
as
in
the
in
the
approval
process
before
it
comes
to
you
for
a
final
approval.
So
essentially
the
city
manager
has
to
report
back
the
status
of
negotiations
to
you
within
90
days
of
the
trc
review,
and
then
it's
just
it's
a
negotiation
process.
At
that
point,
once
you
get
to
a
you
know
a
agreed-upon.
P
A
Then
we
go
through
the
normal
site
plan
and
the
right
thing:
okay
got
it.
Thank
you.
Let's
go
to
public
comments.
M
Anita
produce
901
base
shore
drive.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
will
not
vacate
hill
street
and,
at
the
last
meeting
y'all
said
we
would
save
it.
But
if
you
remember
these
last
three
weeks
with
all
the
rains
and
the
high
tides,
especially
at
the
bayou,
it
was
beautiful,
it
was
so
full
if
you
ride
down
hope
street
to
the
bottom
of
the
hill.
M
We
don't
vacate
hill
street.
It
is
a
historic
street.
I
can
bring
you
pictures
of
the
wagons
coming
up
full
of
sponges
from
when
they
used
to
dock
the
sponge
boats
in
that
area.
M
It
is
vital
to
this
community
and
we
need
to
save
it
for
the
people
to
be
able
to
get
in
and
out
and
especially
when
we
have
concerts
or
art
shows
or
anything
down
on
the
canis
boulevard.
M
R
Dina
bucavalus
115
athens
street.
I
I
really
don't
see
the
point
here,
we're
still
ignoring
the
will
of
city
residents
and
boards.
It
was
clearly
expressed
at
a
variety
of
earlier
meetings
for
a
smaller
hotel,
like
we're
talking
50
rooms,
appropriate
to
the
greektown,
historic
district,
architectural
scale
and
style.
Mr
fricha
request
to
negotiate
an
agreement
for
a
hotel,
no
less
than
80
rooms
and
four
stories,
including
the
first
floor
barking.
This
would
create
significant
adverse
impacts
to
historic
resources
and
set
a
dangerous
precedent
for
development.
R
R
Also,
the
hotel
will
generate
about
750
daily
car
trips
on
tiny
residential
streets
that
are
now
overburdened
during
tourist
season
and
events
or
on
dodecanese
and
roosevelt,
which,
as
you
heard,
are
flooded,
are
and
crowd
and
they're
often
crowded,
alt
19
is
0.5
to
0.9
miles
away.
That
may
be
an
adequate
road,
but
these
little
tiny
roads
in
the
residential
district
can't
handle
that
volume
of
traffic
and
I'm
on
one
of
those
streets.
So
I
am
an
affected
party
with
negative
traffic
and
heritage
impacts.
R
It
is
inconsistent
with
our
comp
plan
goals
to
protect
historic
resources
and
with
the
strategic
area
plan
which
has
promoted
balancing
the
needs
of
tourist
residents
and
working
waterfront.
We
should
defer
any
new
projects
to
comply
with
our
new
revised
plans
when
applying
for
a
five-story
106
room
hotel.
Mr
fritscher
repeatedly
said
a
smaller
hotel
would
lose
money,
as
this
request
proves,
smaller
hotels
can
be
profitable.
R
M
I
just
hope
that
it's
a
possibility
that
you
might
at
least
let
the
development
agreement
take
a
chance
that
maybe
there's
there's
a
compromise
somewhere
I
mean,
I
know,
you're
sure
there
isn't,
and
maybe
many
of
you
have
decided-
there's
no
way
this
in
the
world.
This
is
going
to
work,
but
when
people
say
that
the
re,
the
citizens
of
our
town,
don't
want
this
overall,
I
just
don't
know
what
they've
done
with
the
citizens
that,
like
me,
all
the
merchants,
all
the
the
businesses,
all
the
working
people,
I
mean
we
count
too.
M
M
M
If
it
doesn't
work,
this
gentleman
lost
a
lot
of
time
and
probably
a
lot
of
money,
but
maybe
maybe
in
my
mind,
there's
that
slim
chance
that
that
he
came
back
and
he's
willing
to
try
again
and
go
down
and
just
I'm
just
hoping
you'll,
let
it
let
it
take
a
chance
that
maybe
between
working
with
the
city
and
and
figuring
out,
what
is
architect,
can
I
afford
what
they're
asking
me
to
do?
Can
I
put
this
together?
Is
it
going
to
make
that
going
to
make
it
work?
M
M
You
just
have
to
look
that
there
are
other
people
besides
a
few
and
and
give
it
a
chance,
and
maybe
it'll
come
back
to
you
and
you'll
vote
no
again,
but
all
you,
but
at
least
they
tried
and
maybe
that
maybe
together,
maybe
we'll
be
lucky.
Maybe
something
good
will
come
out
of
it.
So
I'm
just
asking
you
to
think
about
it.
Thank
you.
B
E
E
B
B
E
The
traffic
down
there,
we
can't
even
ride
a
bicycle
because
there's
park,
cars
parked
on
one
side
of
the
road,
and
so
only
one
car
can
travel
down
most
of
the
roads
around
where
you're
proposing
your
hotel.
Have
you
traveled
there?
Have
you
been
there
during
the
day
when,
when
it's
crowded
and
the
docks
are
full
of
people,
I
don't
know,
I
would
love
to
see
a
hotel,
but
not
in
that
location.
Thank
you
very
much.
Q
A
Okay,
I.t:
are
there
any
remote
access
comments.
K
O
O
Secondly,
I
have
to
contend
with
mr
frisch's
comment
earlier
about
land
costs
he's
applying
a
santorini
development,
and
if
you
look
on
the
pinellas
county
property
appraiser's
website,
he
bought
the
main
property
on
the
east
side
of
roseville
on
both
sides
of
hill
street.
It
shows
in
june
of
2004
for
six
hundred
thousand
dollars
and
the
out
parcel
was
bought
in
july
of
2005
for
440
thousand
dollars.
So
when
he's
talking
about
a
contract
and
land
cost
from
what
I
can
see,
their
land
costs
are
already
fixed.
O
O
What's
going
on
with
the
property
there,
maybe
mr
santorini
or
mr
frisch
can
do
a
property
swap
or
something
and
put
his
hotel
there,
but
this
location
for
that
size
of
a
hotel
is
not
appropriate,
but
I
would
recommend
instead
of
wasting
everybody's
time
staff
and
the
applicant
and
their
cost
just
tell
them
no
we're
not
going
to
prove
something
more
than
50
units
or
45
or
whatever
you
come
to
determine,
but
80
rooms,
at
least
80
rooms
is
not
appropriate.
Also.
O
The
other
thing
I
have
to
remind
the
board
about
is
since
back
in
february
of
2019,
the
development
agreements
and
conditional
use
language
was
changed,
so
any
development
agreement
now
can
be
for
10
years
and
the
conditional
use
changes
were
done
where
it
was
changed
from
a
building
permit,
acquired
to
a
site
plan
submitted
and
then
another
12
months.
So
basically
they
can
sit
on
this
for
a
long
time
and
the
city
will
be
tied
for
years
with
this
development
agreement
if
it
isn't
the
proper
one.
O
So
I
would
say
at
this
point
to
save
everybody
time.
Money
and
effort
just
tell
them
that
we're
only
going
to
look
at
a
50
unit
hotel
if
you
can't
provide
it
at
that
location,
then
you'll
need
to
move
on,
but
they
from
the
property
records
show
they
already
own
this
land.
So
I
I'm
kind
of
curious
as
to
why
he
says:
there's
a
contract
for
a
property,
so
I
know
my
times
run
out,
but
I
would
recommend
denying
a
development
agreement
based
on
an
80
at
least
80
unit
hotel.
Thank
you.
A
F
P
And
I'm
just
trying
to
read
through
you
know,
so
the
desire
you
basically
what
you're,
probably
going
to
end
up
with,
is
some
sort
of
you
know,
conceptuals
again
that
you
know
address
the
architecture,
the
height
the
massing,
the
scale.
You
know
whether
or
not
you
know,
if
you
want
to
require
that
you
know
they
have
to
have
the
full
site
plan
you
know
run
with
it.
I
mean
you
have
a
lot
of
options
with
the
developers.
F
F
F
F
P
I
would
say
that
I
mean
the
first.
The
first
public
hearing
on
the
process
does
appear
to
be
at
the
planning
and
zoning
board,
but
you
know
you're
going
the
city
manager
has
to
come
back.
The
city
manager
is
the
prime
person
that
does
the
negotiating
for
these
development
agreements
with
input.
You
know
from
whomever
he
seeks
to
perfect
get
input
from
that,
and
at
some
point
he
has
you
know
if
he
has
an
acceptable
what
he
deems
to
be
an
acceptable
agreement.
P
Then
he
brings
that
back
to
the
board
and
that
so
that's
a
public
process.
Obviously
you
would
probably
you
know
the
public
would
be
able
you
know
it
would
be,
may
be
able
to
participate
in
that.
It's
not.
Let's
see
the
public
hearing
requirements
before
entering
into
amending
or
revoking
a
development
agreement.
P
F
F
Trying
to
logically
go
through,
to
my
mind,
sure
so,
and
affected
parties
aren't
considered
until
that
time
as
well
until
it
until
it
gets
into
a
quasi-judicial.
A
F
F
B
J
F
How
about
it
I
happen
to
agree
with
mr
dalakis
as
far
as
the
2019
comp
plan
changes,
I'm
really
not
fussy
about
looking
at
development
agreements
until
we
amend
that
comp
plan,
because
anything
we
do
now
is
going
to
fall
under
the
current
comp
plan,
and
I
don't
think
that's
that's
where
we
want
to
be
so.
That's
my
one
comment.
I
appreciate
you
coming
here.
I
appreciate
what
you're
trying
to
do.
F
I
don't
think
an
80
room
hotel
is
is
generally
accepted,
but
by
the
by
the
citizens,
not
from
what
we
heard
when
we
went
through
the
last
round.
I
think
we
came
back
and
said:
60
or
50
or
somewhere
in
the
neighborhood.
I'd
have
to
actually
check
the
notes
regardless
there's
affected
parties,
there's
a
residential
neighborhood
in
the
t4a
sector,
they're
right
next
door,
so
they're
affected.
If
they
don't
have
a
voice
in
this,
and
we
still
need
to
play
the
comp
plans.
I
I'm
not
fussy
about
going
through
this
tonight
at
all.
G
Thanks
mayor,
I
think
this
one's
a
pretty
easy
one
to
do.
It's
a
negotiation.
If
we
can't
come
to
an
agreement,
then
at
that
point
doesn't
move
forward.
So
there's
a
couple
things
I
just
want
to
point
out.
The
city
has
a
willing
developer,
wanting
to
work
with
the
city
and
find
a
solution
that
fits
within
the
area.
That's
something
you
don't
have
very
often
so
I
I
appreciate
you
coming
back.
I
appreciate
you
trying
to
go
with
a
different
approach.
G
That's
something
that
I
don't
think
the
city
should
take
lightly.
The
comments
are
they
should
build
an
alternate
team?
That's
fine!
I
mean
someone
will
do
that
at
some
point.
I'm
sure
it
will
be
redeveloped
on
the
ultra
19,
but
for
whatever
reason
they
want
to
develop
this
area
at
the
west.
End
of
the
sponge
docks
a
couple
things
that
I
think
need
to
be
addressed
in
the
development
agreement
is
the
height
and
not
necessarily
the
stories
of
the
hotel.
G
I
could
care
less
how
many
stories
it
is
it's
ultimately
the
height
it's
going
to
be
the
biggest
factor
you
can
make
a
two-story
building
as
high
as
a
four-story
building,
probably
right.
So
you
have
to
be
careful
on
that
saying.
If
we're
going
to
agree
upon
a
certain
height
as
a
city
or
put
that
into
negotiations,
I
think
it
really
needs
to
focus
on
the
height.
G
G
G
Do
they
meet
the
the
other
question
is:
do
they
meet
the
intensity
for
the
property
as
well?
For
that
do
they
have
that
right
to
develop
it
to
that
many
rooms
as
well
too?
So
those
are
some
of
the
questions
you
want
to
ask
during
this
process
and
then
the
city
manager
is
going
to
be
able
to
negotiate
with
this,
the
applicant's
attorney
and
the
applicant
during
this
whole
process.
G
So
if
you
want
to
talk
to
the
city
manager,
say
city
manager,
we
want
to
see
these
this
this
and
this
or
maybe
you
don't
want
any
hotel
in
this
one
stocks.
That's
that's
up
to
you,
but
if
you
have
these
concerns,
then
tell
the
city
manager
and
he's
going
to
try
to
work
that
in
the
negotiations.
G
So
I
I
just
want
to
reiterate:
you
don't
have
developers
very
often
that's
come
in
and
say
this
is
we
want
to
do
whatever
you
want
us
to
do?
We
just
want
a
hotel.
Tell
us
what
it
looks
like
tell
us
the
way.
The
footprint
needs
to
be
things
along
those
lines.
Generally,
it's
a
developer
coming
saying
this
is
what
we
want
to
do,
take
it
or
leave
it,
and
we
want
to
push
it
down
your
throat
right.
So
this
is
a
unique
situation
here.
G
I
think
when
the
developer
is
really
willing
to
work
with
the
city
and
it's
I
would
say
it's
an
unusual
situation,
but
I'm
I'm
in
support
of
the
development
agreement.
Like
I
mentioned,
a
couple
of
things
that
I
have
concerns
about.
The
heights
is
one
of
them.
I
don't
want
to
see
anything
higher
than
what's
currently
in
the
neighborhood.
Today
you
have
to
have
the
brick
you
have
to
break
up
the
building.
G
Somehow
the
no
balconies
on
the
west
side
made
a
lot
of
sense
and
there
will
be
some
other
things
as
well
too.
That
would
need
to
be
discussed,
but
if
I
say
80
rooms
or
60
rooms,
I
can't
really.
G
G
A
C
This
one
is
a
is
a
repeat
to
me.
I
want
to
read
to
you
the
letter
from
mark
from
the
city
manager,
michael
chorus.
I
want
to
bring
to
your
attention.
The
request
to
negotiate
is
for
no
less
than
80
room
hotel
three
stories
about
parking.
In
my
talks
with
mr
fritsch.
Before
this
request,
I
advised
him
that
a
development
agreement
for
a
hotel
in
the
50
to
60s
room
count
would
be
appropriate
based
on
the
board
of
commissioners
comments
on
the
previous
hotel
request.
C
The
board
needs
to
consider
if
the
80
room
hotel,
under
any
circumstances
or
of
design
or
concessions,
is
appropriate
for
the
sponge
docs
district.
If
not,
then
the
agreement
to
negotiate
should
not
be
approved
or
altered
to
the
appropriate
room
count
and
or
height.
So
we're
not
at
that.
Mr
fritsch.
C
As
much
as
I
thank
you
for
coming
here-
and
I
appreciate
you
wanting
to
build
something
here-
which
I
would
like,
I-
I
can't
go
forward
on
80
rooms
and
I
can't
even
just
discuss
to
start
at
65
rooms,
but
my
question
that
I
would
ask
you
is
when
we
discussed
this
last
time.
C
T
We
we're
going
to
remove
the
balconies
back.
Bacon
is
a
substantial
cost
to
build
a
hotel
right.
The
hotel
will
be
smaller
right,
we're
changing
some
operations
right,
so
we
looked
at
it.
We
talked
to
choice,
hotel
right
choice
said
we
will
do
it
with
you
at
80
and
not
less
I'm
willing
to
say
tonight.
We
are
not.
We
we're
not
we.
We
said
in
the
letter
or
in
the
application
that
it
would
be
80,
plus
my
wife
and
me
are
willing
to
say
80
no
more,
but
it
doesn't
work
again.
T
When
you
build
a
business,
when
you
build
a
hotel
right,
there's
certain
factors
which
come
in
right,
for
example,
the
land
cost
right.
If
I
go
to
clearwater
beach,
if
I
look
at
an
acre
of
land,
I'm
looking
at
eight
million
dollars
right
so
now
I
have
to
charge
eight
nine
hundred
dollars
a
night
right,
for
example,
I
own
a
hampton
in
dunedin
right.
T
T
T
We
we
live
in
between
dunedin
and
top,
and
I
think
it's
a
great
location
for
me
and
my
family
we've
been
here
for
10
years.
We
come
a
lot
to
top
in
to
the
sponge
dogs
eat.
There
come
there
with
family
when
we
have
it
here,
not
only.
I
told
you
that
a
hotel
would
be
a
great
thing
for
tarpon
and
the
sponge
dogs
choice.
T
A
Money
99
rooms,
I
think
you
said,
versus
80
rooms,
so
if
we
could
just
move
on
with
a
meeting,
okay,
okay,
thank
you
very
much.
You
may
be
asked
another
question.
C
Thank
you.
I
appreciate
that
see.
I
I
hear
what
you're
saying
about
the
land
value
and
you
know
how
much
you
have
to
pay
but
understand
something
that
is
part
of
making
a
hotel
part
of
making
a
deal.
I
understand
that.
T
I'm
so
sorry,
I'm
so
sorry,
mr
mayor,
but
again
you
it
seems
like
your
biggest
concern,
is
the
size
of
the
building
right
and
the
difference
between
60
and
80
rooms,
because
if,
if
this
the
size
is
not
so
dramatic
right-
and
I
I
I
have
my
architect
here
tonight-
right-
he
doesn't
come
for
free,
but
I
thought
it
was
a
good
thing
for
him
to
talk
to
you
to
understand
that
the
difference
in
size
60
to
80
is
not
so
dramatic
than
you
might
think.
T
C
Your
the
traffic
study
came
back
with
over
800
cars
per
day,
and
we
have
in
that
area
has
been
said
before
it:
floods
constantly,
actually,
where
you'll
be
building
or
would
be
building
that
is
underwater.
C
So
I
don't
know
if
you
realize
that
or
not
so
it's
just
not
an
opportune
place.
To
put
such
a
large
structure
of
the
amount
of
traffic
that
80
80
rooms
would
constitute
that's
what
what
the
big
issue
is.
C
There's,
there's
no
way
in
and
out
of
that
area.
I'm
not
sure,
as
other
people
have
said,
have
you
gone
through
there
on
high
tides
and
the
salt?
Water
is
just
completely
covering
the
streets.
You
can't
go
through
that,
so
that
is
just
not
a
great
place.
To
put
this
you'd
have
to
pick
and
choose
when
you're
people
would
be
able
to
come
into
your
hotel.
A
Yeah
no,
mr
fritchie,
we
really
need
to
finish
the
meeting
tonight.
I
understand,
let's
just
let
the
commission
have
their
say
and
then,
if
there's
anything
else,
we'll
come
back
but
as
of
right
now
we
I,
I
think,
we're
also.
The
commission
is
straying
off
a
little
bit
as
far
as
what
the
objective
is
for
this
evening
tonight,
we're
not
going
to
approve
anything.
A
It's
not
an
issue
of
whether
a
hotel
is
right
or
not.
We
just
need
to
understand.
You
know
whether
we're
going
to
approve
of
moving
ahead
with
the
development
agreement.
All
these
other
things
can
be
answered.
If
it's
approved
you
come
back
and
then
you
make
your
arguments.
H
Mr
fritz,
I
don't
want
to
waste
your
time
and
I
don't
know:
what's
you
using
your
resources
or
money
moving
forward
at
this
point
I
mean
this
city
has
some
serious
issues
that
need
to
be
addressed.
Serious
land
use
codes
from
2019
that
don't
benefit
the
residents
and
they
were
actually
helped
constructed
by
your
attorney's
colleague.
So
this
stuff
is
all
going
to
get
addressed
soon.
H
We
can't
come
to
an
agreement
to
waste
your
time
to
agree
on
a
conditional
use.
That's
going
to
hold
up
the
city
for
10
years,
it's
so
and
as
for
balconings,
I
believe
balconies
bring
quality
to
a
building.
So
I
would
like
to
see
balconies
on
all
side
all
sides,
I'm
just
throwing
that
out
there
and
I
can't
put
pressure.
I
can't
put
pressure
on
future
boards
until
we
get
these
ordinances
changed.
These
land
use
codes
that
we
don't
even
know
how
they
came
about.
H
So
I
asked
we're
about
a
year
out
from
looking
at
hotels
and
certain
properties
and
we're
three
months
from
that
last
application,
which
you
had
a
great
application.
So
if
you
like
tarpon
springs
that
much,
which
I'm
sure
you
do
we're
untapped
another
nine
months,
a
little
bit
further
out
is
not
going
to
hurt.
We
got
some
a
lot
of
potential.
We
got
more
potential
than
any
of
these
northern
cities
in
pinellas
county.
We
all
know
that.
So,
please
give
us
time.
A
A
A
What
I'd
like
to
do
is
we've
gone
through
public
comments.
We've
heard
the
commission.
What
I
would
like
to
do
is
just
follow
me
a
bit.
The
application
is
for
80,
no
less
than
80
rooms.
80
rooms
are
greater,
so
I
know
this
commission
has
talked
about
50
to
60
rooms
in
the
past.
I
know
this
is
what
mr
la
course
has
been
sharing
with
the
applicant
all
along.
A
A
If
we
have
a
motion
and
there's
no
second,
it
dies,
and
then
I
would
like
to
if
a
commissioner
would
like
to
proceed
with
a
motion
of
50
room
or
no
greater
than
50
rooms
or
no
greater
than
60
rooms.
I'd
like
to
hear
that
and
that
will
actually
provide
the
answer
that
mr
frischy
is
looking
for,
may
not
be
the
one
he
wants,
but
it's
going
to
give
him
the
answer
that
he's
that
he's
looking
for
as
far
as
what
he
would
work
with.
A
There
are
things
that
we've
already
done
with
the
number
of
the
the
the
story
height,
which
prohibits
the
four
to
five
stories
that
was
discussed
before
so
that's
already
in
the
works.
So,
let's
proceed
with
that.
Do
I
have
a
motion
for
no
less
than
80
rooms.
A
A
Okay,
there's
no
second
to
that.
Is
there
any
other
motion
that
those
were
the
only
two
I
was
looking
for?
Is
there
any
other
motion.
K
I
need
your
help,
not
necessarily
the
question
is:
do
you
have
to
vote
you've
you've,
you've,
you
can
move
in
the
affirmative
and
and
have
a
motion
in
a
second
and
that
doesn't
bind
you
to
the
vote
itself
by
moving
or
seconding
you're,
not
bound
to
approve
it
you're
putting
it
on
the
table
for
the
body
to
vote
this
body's.
K
If
this
body
is,
is
by
its
inaction,
expressing
no
desire
to
to
move
it's
sort
of
a
six
one
way,
half
a
dozen,
the
other
result,
you
can
have
your
record
vote
and
get
there
or
you
can
get
there
by
saying
the
body
was
unwilling
to
entertain
emotion
and
it
dies
for
lack
of
motion.
The
matter
never
ends
on
the
table.
That's
not
without
precedent
and
parliamentary
procedure.
I've
seen
that
very
recently
in
another
community,
where
emotion,
an
ordinance
failed
for
lack
of
emotion,
and
so
ultimately,
it's
this
body's
will
how
it
proceeds.
K
But
at
this
point
I
think
you've
at
least
very
much
made
it
clear
to
the
the
the
specific
relief
requested
is
not
going
to
be
granted
if
you
wish
to
as
a
body
and
it's
your
discretion.
Procedurally,
to
have
a
recorded
vote
on
that
emotion
needs
to
be
made,
it
needs
to
be
seconded
and
a
vote
takes
place
if
you're
comfortable
with
the
message
that's
been
sent,
then
you
can
proceed
onto
the
next
item
on
your
agenda.
Mayor.
A
Okay,
mr
mora,
if
there
is
no
motion
and-
and
there
for
example,
does
that
imply
a
denial
of
the
application?
K
The
the
application,
as
I
understand
it,
the
application
on
the
floor-
is
an
application
requesting
that
the
city
engage
in
a
development
agreement
for
a
development
of
no
less
than
80
rooms.
This
bod
the
deliberative
body,
who
considers
that
took
a
motion
it
locked.
It
did
not
get
a
second
to
the
extent
the
application
is
specifically
for
that
that's
can
be
considered
denied.
K
I
would
defer
to
staff
if
there's
some
other
procedural
element
of
the
development
agreement
process
that
I'm
not
as
sensitized
to
but
procedurally
from
a
parliamentary
procedure
standpoint
I'm
comfortable
with
where
you
stand,
but
staff
being
more
intimately
familiar
with
your
process.
I've.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
I'm
not
failing
to
appreciate
something
in
their
in
their
thoughts
eyes.
They
need
to
dot.
P
A
C
I
have
to
go
along
with
what
commissioner
cooley
has
said
and
I
believe
also
vice
mayor.
We
have
issues
in
our
land
development
code
that
are
outside
something
we
didn't
create,
but
we're
stuck
with,
and
until
we
clear
that
up,
I
personally
wouldn't
feel
comfortable
going
ahead
with
any
development.
Not
just
this
one.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
That's
fair!
That's
three
of
you
are
saying
the
same
thing,
so
it
doesn't
matter
what
the
motion
is.
It's
not
going
to
pass
so
I
understand
all
right,
mr
frischy,
I'm
sorry
you
didn't
get
the
answer
that
you
wanted
this
evening,
but
at
least
you
have
an
answer.
I
I'm
not
sure
where
you
go
from
here
or
where
we
go.
I
know
we've
got
some
things,
as
the
commissioner
said
that
we
need
to
fix
so
all
right,
all
right.
A
A
Basically,
the
memorandum
speaks
for
itself
the
couple
of
items
that
we
talked
about
as
far
as
at
least
I
spoke
of
and-
and
I
know
that
some
of
the
commissioners
were
present
during
the
campaign-
and
after
we
became
sworn
in
for
the
current
board-
was
one-
was
the
section
g
of
the
charter
for
updating
the
comprehensive
plan.
Now
that
we're
going
to
have
a
strategic
plan,
we
would
take
the
same
approach
of
of
memorializing
the
strategic
plan
in
the
charter
and
requiring
its
update-
let's
say
every
every
three
years.
A
So
that's
the
one
item
that
would
be
proposed
to
the
residents
in
the
march
2023
election.
The
the
other
item
in
that
same
section
would
be
budget
priorities.
I
know
that
budget
priorities
that
at
least
have
been
discussed
several
times
and
they
haven't
come
forward.
This
time
we've
talked
about
budget
priorities.
A
I
think
that
needs
to
be
memorialized
in
the
responsibilities
and
duty
sections
of
the
commission
to
prior
to
the
budget
process
or
at
the
beginning
of
the
budget
process
that
the
commission
meet
to
establish
what
the
budget
priorities
are
is
at
a
public
meeting
allow
residents
to
to
participate
in
that
through
the
normal
process.
We
have
with
comments
giving
each
resident
four
sec
four
minutes.
Each
section
12
is
another
the
zoning
powers.
A
There
was
a
lot
of
discussion
of
giving
the
pnz
board
some
autonomy
for
certain
land,
use
actions
and
they've
gone
through
a
workshop
and
and
have
come
up
with
some
ideas
on
that.
So
that
would
be
something
that
another
one
and
then,
of
course,
there's
one
that
is
a
kind
of
a
kind
of
cleaning
up
the
language
a
little
bit
concerning
the
titles
on
department,
heads
and
their
residency
requirement.
M
M
We've
already
had
one
person
come
up
here,
who's
thinking
about
running
telling
you
mayor
we're
here
to
support
you,
which
we
all
are
whatever
you
want
from
planning.
Zoning
will
make
sure
you
tell
us
that's
a
violation
that
should
not
be.
That
means
a
regular
resident
in
here
may
not
have
a
fair
chance
people
on
these
boards
that
don't
understand
the
background,
but
they
want
to
be
on
that
board.
Are
you
going
to
have
classes
to
educate
them?
M
A
A
B
A
O
Peter
at
alexis
514
ashland
avenue.
I
have
to
follow
up
with
mrs
produs's
comments
as
much
as
I
appreciate
the
efforts
the
planning
and
zoning
board
does.
It
is
just
an
advisory
group.
It
does
allow
residents
an
option
to
hear
some
of
the
facts
and
and
share
some
information,
but
ultimately
any
kind
of
zoning
decision
should
be
within
the
control
and
power
of
the
board
of
commissioners.
O
So
unless
there
was
strict
rules
and
guidelines
and
as
ms
protest
mentioned-
some
kind
of
an
educational
program
to
educate
people
because
there's
a
complex
I've
been
on
the
planning
and
zoning
board
and
there's
a
lot
of
complex
issues
that
a
lot
of
people
who
don't
have
familiarity
with
that
they
have
to
be
judging
on.
So
at
this
point
I
would
say
I
would
leave
that
part
alone.
I
do
agree
with
the
subsections
about
adding
the
strategic
plan
and
also
the
budget
advisor
budget
priorities
being
included
with
that.
O
But
at
this
time
I
would
not
recommend
going
forward
on
giving
autonomy
to
the
planning
and
zoning
board.
They
do
serve
their
purpose
in
giving
you
advice,
it's
up
to
you
all,
to
listen
to
their
advice
and
see
if
it's
appropriate.
If
not,
then
you
can
determine
if
a
project
or
a
particular
item
that
they're
presenting
should
go
forward,
but
the
ultimate
decision
should
be
within
the
board
of
commissioners.
A
Thank
you.
Let
me
just
say
that
the
there's
only
certain
things
that
the
pnz
board
can
do.
They
can't
they're
not
autonomous
in
legislative
matters.
A
That's
the
purview
of
the
commission,
so
there
are
very
specific
things
that
they've
had
a
couple
of
workshops
to
draw
out
what
those
things
are
and,
quite
frankly,
in
my
opinion,
all
of
our
boards
need
training.
That's
that's
nothing
new,
whether
you're
a
volunteer
and
you
don't
have
any
authority
at
all.
They
all
need
training.
A
Secondly,
we
also
have
a
board
of
adjustment
and
appeals.
That's
not
advisory
and
the
only
reason
I'm
bringing
this
up
with
regard
to
the
pnc
board
is
that
they
are
identified
in
the
charter
as
an
advisory
board
and
if
they
are
able
to
act
on
anything
that
has
to
change
and
whether
it's
just
one
item
out
of
the
let's
say
the
10
things
that
they
do.
But
every
the
comments
that
were
made
tonight
are
appropriate,
they're
valid
and
I
don't
think,
there's
any
disagreement
with
any
of
them.
A
Well,
let
me
let
me
just
say
one
last
clarification:
we're
not
approving
any
charter
amendments.
This
is
just
to
direct
the
attorney
to
come
back
with
some
questions
that
you
can
look
at
and
then
make
a
determination
of
whether
you
want
to
put
them
forward
to
the
residents
or
not.
I'm
sorry,
vice
mayor
london,.
F
A
F
F
Let's,
let's
be
positive,
having
said
that,
I'm
probably
leaning
towards
memorializing
it
and
getting
into
something
that
we
need,
because
I
think
a
strategic
plan
is
something
we
need
to
go
forward.
I
A
A
J
F
One
all
right,
at
least
not
that
frequently.
F
A
Since
this
is
my
item,
let
me
let
me
answer
that.
Basically,
you've
got
the
strategic
plan
that
that
outlines
what
the
priorities
are,
the
city
manager.
You
know
what
we
do
is
basically
within
now
with
those
are
basically
generalized
items
that
are
in
there,
and
so
we
there's
going
to
be
some
things
that
the
city
manager
is
going
to
bring
forward.
A
As
far
as
let's
most
of
it's
going
to
be
capital
improvements,
and
so
that's
where
the
commission
says
well,
these
are
where
our
priorities
are
roads,
water,
that
sort
of
thing
based
on
what
we're
seeing.
So
it's
it's
actually
putting
something.
That
is
more
material
to
something.
That's
idealistic,
I
guess,
if
you
will
that's
all.
F
All
right
we're
talking
about
a
capital
improvement.
A
F
A
A
F
A
F
F
I'd
be
mighty
mighty,
cautious
about
giving
the
planning
an
exotic
board
any
sort
of
autonomy
at
all
I
mean
I'm,
I'm
sorry,
but
have
you
seen
their
meetings?
Sometimes
they
don't
even
know
how
to
have
a
meeting.
It's
it's
they're,
not
ready
for
prime
time.
F
I'm
sad
and
I
mean
unless
there
was
like
a
you
know,
two-month
university
course
or
maybe
we
could
set
one
up
in
saint
pete,
jc
or
st
pete.
You
know
a
two-month
course
on
how
to
be
an
effective
board
member
then
that
would
probably
do
it
for
me,
but
otherwise
than
that
I
don't
think
so.
Not
from
what
I've
seen
I
mean
I
know
last
year
was
a
big
thing
off.
We
never
really
want
to
override
the
pnc
board
and
then
what
is
the
first
thing?
F
G
Carr
thanks
mayor,
I
was
based
on
the
pnd
board.
I've
sat
on
that
board
for
many
years.
I
don't
think
it's
a
good
idea
to
give
them
any
autonomy.
I
think
it's
an
advisory
board.
That's
the
way
they're
appointed
to
the
board
yeah.
Would
you
want
more
power
and
more
authority?
Of
course,
if
you're
on
the
board,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
they're
not
there
to
make
the
final
decisions
again,
the
backup
doesn't
show
or
doesn't
say
what
that
autonomy
is
or
what
that
would
actually
entail.
G
So
I
can't
really
go
off
of
anything,
but
I
don't.
I
would
throw
a
ton
of
caution
at
that
and
I
think
it's
best
for
the
commission
to
be
the
ones
to
make
those
decisions.
In
that
case.
G
G
G
I
don't
really
see
why
the
the
city
needs
to
have
that
in
the
charter
form
it
can
be
formed
in
a
resolution
if
needed,
but
the
fact
that
it's
in
the
charter
and
it's
not
being
used,
I
think,
needs
to
be
removed
and
then
section
20
I
mean
if
we
want
to
add
it
at
it,
there's
no
need
to
wait,
but
in
my
regard
I
have
no
issues
with
people
living
outside
the
city
for
those
for
those
two
positions,
I
think
the
rest
of
it's
called
out
pretty
well
currently,
the
way
it
sits.
G
A
Okay,
commissioner
eisner.
C
Thank
you.
Thank
you
mayor,
so
on
the
the
strategic
plan,
I
think
we
can
just
slightly
modify
it.
I
don't
want
to
go
through
a
full-blown.
C
What
we
did,
I
think
it
could
just
be
modified
as
we
go
where
we
see
errors
or
things
that
are
hiccups
for
for
what
you
want
to
call
it.
So
that's
the
way
I
would
go
with
that
the
budget.
C
I
would
definitely
want
to
have
transparency
and
have
the
public
to
have
input,
have
their
ideas
we're
supposed
to
be
representing,
and
you
know
the
residents
in
the
first
place
and
yet
we're
not
actually
giving
them
any
option
unless
they
get
to
speak
to
us
with
a
phone
call,
an
email
or
some
way,
and
it's
it's
that's
it's
just
not
fair.
So
that's
where
I
stand
with
that.
C
As
far
as
the
planning
and
zoning,
I
also
sat
for
seven
years
on
a
autonomous
board.
We
made
our
final
decision
and
there
were
times
that
that
board
made
decisions
that
made
my
what's
left
of
my
hair
stand
up
and
the
rest
of
it.
I
I
just
would
sit
there,
so
you
know
you
can't.
I
don't
know
if
you
can
have
some
of
the
boards
volunteer
boards
be
autonomous
and
some
not
you
know
what
what
makes
that
person
I
mean
people
fill
out
these
applications.
C
They
say
my
first
choice
is
to
be
on
the
planning
and
zoning.
My
second
choice
is
to
be
in
the
music
department.
I
mean
you
know
it's
like
they.
They
don't.
They
just
put
things
down.
So
there's
no
testing
to
say
you
qualify
to
do
this
that
or
the
other.
C
If
I
go
back
into
the
planning
and
zoning
board
back
in
2019,
I
agree
with
vice
mayor
that
it
looked.
It
looked
terrific.
Yet
if
you
look
at
the
current
planning
and
zoning
board,
they
were
pretty
proficient,
but
it
depends.
Then
you
have
a
decision
that
if,
if
people
are
out-
and
you
have
alternates
coming
in
or
do
they
know
anything
about
it,
you
know
I've
watched
alternates
on
my
own
board
sit
there
and
they
look
like
a
deer
in
headlights.
You
know
it's
like
what
I
gotta
vote.
C
I
mean
nobody
told
me
that
I
have
to
leave
and
vote
so
it
was
like
it's.
We
do
need
training
on
all
of
them.
I
think
if
we
do
allow
some
autonomous
voting
on
the
planning
of
zoning,
it's
got
to
be
very,
very
specific.
C
C
I
I
believe
that
when
you
become
a
commissioner
you're
you're
in
it
for
your
term,
unless
something
really
happens
to
you,
so
that
that's
my
take
on
it
as
far
as
the
residency
I
again
in
these
day
and
age,
it's
so
hard
to
get
qualified
people
if
we
put
more
restrictions
on
for
where
they
live.
C
You
know,
as
a
person
that's
living
in
holiday,
not
going
to
take
care
of
our
town
they're
there
to
you
know
we
could
remove
anybody
or
either
they're
going
to
do
the
good
the
job
well
or
not.
So
I
don't
really
see
that
that
was
done
years
ago.
You
know
okay,
so
that's
my
take
on
the
thing,
but
I'd
like
to
have
a
workshop
on
this
as
well
right,
so
that
we
could
discuss
it.
Commissioner,.
H
Thank
you,
I'm
for
the
three
every
three
years
for
updating
the
comprehensive
plan
and
looking
for
it.
As
far
as
updating
the
strategic
plan,
I
would
recommend
at
least
every
two
years,
so
a
commissioner
has
the
opportunity
to
do
it
once
at
least
twice,
depending
on
how
it
cycles
out
the
budget
prior
prioritizing.
I
have
no
problem
with
that.
H
I
am
concerned
about
the
autonomy,
the
planning
zoning
board.
You
know
the
last
year
or
so
hasn't
been
so
great
with
communication
and
going
back
and
forth
with
stuff
right.
We
have
a
good
board
now,
but
who
knows
if
we'll
have
a
good
board
in
the
future,
and
you
know
who
knows
if
they're
willing
to
implement
the
will
of
the
residents
as
well,
so
I
am
concerned
about
that
there
could
be
pressure
on
them
and
residency.
H
I
I
I
think
our
building
director
and
our
public
works
directors.
You
know
just.
I
think
they
need
to
be
able
to
live
in
town,
they're,
they're,
pretty
much
directors.
I
think,
with
the
current
unique
situations
we
have
right
now
with
some
of
those
positions
I
wouldn't
mind
getting
this
pass,
but
having
them
grandfathered
in
until
a
new
hire
and
giving
that
new
higher
ample
time
to
be
able
to
move
into
the
city,
but
I
had
the
feeling
of.
H
H
Yeah
back
to
the
planning
zoning
board.
H
A
All
right,
what
we
could
do
is
is
have
a
let's
say,
a
motion
on
on
the
things
that
we
had.
At
least
most
of
us
are
okay
with,
which
would
be
the
comp
plan.
I'm
sorry
strategic
plan
and
the
budget
priorities
are.
A
We
could
defer
this
item
and-
and
I
mean
for
me-
it's
obvious
that
I'm
not
being
very
fair
to
you,
because
there's
a
lot
of
information-
that's
not
here
with
with
the
budget,
I'm
sorry
the
the
workshops
that
the
pnc
board
went
through
and
some
of
these
other
things
with
regard
to
the
residency
which
to
me
is
not
really
important.
I
mean
it
is
extremely
important.
The
residents
have
made
it
very,
very
clear:
they
want
depart
some
department,
heads
critical
ones,
living
in
the
city
limits
and
that's
been
that
way.
A
A
Right,
it's
just
the
titles,
not
changing
the
residency,
but
as
of
the
city
manager
would
be
able
to
shed
some
additional
lights.
He
would
prefer
until
the
next
charter
revision,
which
would
be
one
about
three
years
or
so
two
or
three
years
from
now,
but
but
some
of
these
other
things
as
far
as
the
the
the
the
comprehensive
plan
and
also
I'm
sorry,
the
strategic
plan
also
the
the
budget
priorities,
I
think,
would
those
two
mesh
together.
A
They
would
be
good
to
come
along,
but
I
also
think
that
there
is
some
a
great
deal
more
of
information
concerning
the
pnc
board
and
it
would
be
a
very
limited
role
and-
and
you
can't
do
anything
right
now,
because
of
the
the
way
the
the
language
of
the
charter
is
written.
So
so
we
don't
at
least
lose
anything
tonight
and
or
there's
a
waste
of
time.
Why
don't
we
just
could?
Could
we
get
a
motion?
A
Would
everybody
agree
to
a
motion
on
the
strategic
plan
and
then
the
budget
priorities,
and
then
anything
else?
We
could
bring
that
back
if
we
want
to
when,
when
we
bring
the
land
purchases
back,
which
are
also
going
to
be
referendum.
Questions
at
some
point
in
the
future.
Does
that
sound?
Okay
to
you?
Yes,
okay,.
A
One
at
a
time
that
way
it's
the
clear
all
right.
No,
no,
it's
a
clear
record
yeah!
Let
me
let
me
go
ahead
and
do
that.
G
A
I
mean
there's
other
things
that
are
the
only
the
only
my
I
mean,
that's
something
that
we
can
talk
about.
The
only
reluctance
I
have
is
that
in
dealing
with
that
matter
is,
I
was
on
the
charter
revision,
commission,
the
last
one,
and
that
was
an
item
that
was
discussed
in
at
infinitum
and
what
I've
asked
for
are
basically
new
things.
F
A
F
F
F
A
What
why
don't
we
go
ahead
for
the
sake
of
time
tonight?
Go
ahead
and
defer
this
item
until
the
workshop,
and
then
we'll
pick
it
up
at
that
time
and
address
some
of
the
things
that
commissioner
carr
brought
up
as
well
and
and
we'll
go
because
there
is
a
whole
lot
of
information.
Maybe
a
presentation
by
ms
vinson
as
well
would
be
helpful.
I
F
A
Okay,
all
right
emotionally.
I
B
K
A
Yes,
commissioner
eisner.
Yes,
mr
carr,
yes
vice
mayor
lot,
yes
ayurvedic
yodas;
yes,
all
right!
It's
11,
18.!
Let's
quickly,
go
through
comments.
Chief
young,
no
comments.
Mr
moore,
no
comment!
It's
late.
A
F
A
My
apologies,
let
me
just
say
something:
it's
a
full
moon!
All
right
city
manager
knows
what
I'm
talking
about.
So
actually,
this
meeting
went
okay
tonight,
given
that
it
was
a
full
moon,
but
there
was
some
zany
activity
during
it.
So
a
few
comments
and
a
little
brain
freeze
on
my
part,
so
I
think
everybody
did
good
we're
adjourned
at
11
19.