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A
Good
evening,
everyone
are
now
called
to
order.
The
work
session
of
the
board
of
commissions
of
the
city
of
tarpon
springs.
On
tuesday
february
1st
2022
at
6
30
pm,
we
received
emails
from
vice
mayor
carr
and
commissioner
terrapani,
stating
that
will
not
be
able
to
attend
the
workstation
this
evening
via
vice
mayor
carr,
has
family
commitment
needs
to
attend
and
commission
terra
penny
has
tested
positive
with
cover
19..
A
And
I
would
like
to
remind
to
everyone
that
the
workstations
are
primary
design
for
information
gathering
guidance
and
no
form
of
commission
decisions
approving
or
disapproving
an
item
may
be
made.
Only
staff
members
shall
be
included
in
the
workstation
discussion
unless
prior
arrangements
are
made
through
the
city
manager,
city,
clerk
or
city
attorney
before
I
turn
it
over
to
mr
recorders,
I'd
like
to
ask
the
commission
if
we
set
time
limit
for
this
work
session,
I'll
think
two
hours
will
be
more
than
enough.
C
B
A
E
Good
evening,
mayor
and
commissioners,
I
think
you
all
know
me
I'll
just
go
ahead
and
turn
this
over
to
to
catherine
hartley
with
tyndale
oliver,
which
is
now
with
bennish.
So
with
that
we'll
go
ahead
and
get
started
I'll,
let
her
introduce
the
format,
but
I
think
we
want
this
to
be
pretty
casual
tonight.
So
with
that
we'll
go
ahead
and
get
started.
A
To
be
back
and
be,
and
congratulations
on
the
merge
between
the
two
companies,
the
kenandale,
oliver
and
benish-
spanish,
yes,
and
if
you
take
a
few
minutes
and
explain
to
us
the
the
structure
of
the
new
company
sure
and
the
services
that
you
will
provide
to
our
to
our
city.
F
F
Well,
steve
is
75
years
old
and
has
a
lot
of
grandchildren
and
finally
decided
that
80
hours
a
week
was
too
much
and
he
wanted
to
slow
down
a
little
bit
and
so
tyndale
oliver
has
merged
with
banish.
F
They
wanted
another
firm
that
did
mostly
public
sector
work
that
was
very
important
to
steve
and
bill
before
the
merger.
All
of
our
clients
were
prior
public
sector
cities,
counties
fdot
mpos,
those
were
our
clients
and
we'll
continue
to
be
so.
We
are
not
going
to
be
going
after
any
private
sector
development
work
we're
committed
to
public
sector,
which
is
what
we're
doing
for
you.
F
So
we're
doing
your
comprehensive
plan
update
many
many
years
ago,
when
I
first
moved
to
tampa
in
2005.,
I
was
hired
by
renaissance
planning
group
at
the
time
and
we
did
your
multimodal
transportation
district.
So
the
stuff,
that's
in
your
transportation
element
and
your
comp
plan.
Today
I
wrote
so
I've
been
here.
I
kind
of
know,
what's
been
going
on
over
the
years,
renee's
been
a
colleague
as
well,
but
I
just
want
you
to
feel
comfortable
with
the
fact
that
tyndale
oliver
is
now
we're
calling
ourselves.
F
F
Steve
wanted
to
slow
down
to
40
hours
a
week
and
then
decided
he's
it's
time
for
him
to
spend
some
time
with
his
grandkids
and
decided
to
fully
retire
yesterday
we
found
out
yesterday
morning
so
but
other
than
that
nothing
else
is
changing.
We
are
the
same
staff,
the
same
structure
in
florida,
we're
all
the
same
people,
so
you
don't
have
to
worry
about
that.
F
F
and
if
you
remember
people
still
say,
oh
9j5,
that
was
the
florida
administrative
code
that
was
in
effect
at
a
time
that
really
regulated
growth
and
you,
whenever
you
wanted
to
change
your
comprehensive
plan,
you
had
to
transmit
all
this
documentation
to
all
sorts
of
state
level
governments.
It
was
very
strict.
F
A
lot
of
places
basically
had
to
go
into
litigation
over
various
things,
but
they
found
out
that,
even
though
they
had
this
very
strict
structure
of
comprehensive
planning,
it
still
wasn't
getting
you
compact
livable
walkable
cities,
and
so
they
decided
to
kind
of
scale
things
back
a
little
bit.
9J5,
the
florida
administrative
code
was
repealed
over
a
decade
ago
and
the
point
was
to
give
cities
a
little
bit:
cities
and
counties
more
flexibility
in
how
they
do
planning.
F
F
In
fact,
the
one
example
of
how
things
have
changed
is
back.
Then
you
didn't
have
your
own
water
system.
You
were
still
partially
a
customer
of
pinellas
county,
and
that
is
not
the
case
anymore.
So
there's
things
like
that
that
you've
accomplished
over
time
and
that
we
have
to
recognize
in
your
new
plan.
F
One
of
the
things
that
I
also
wanted
to
mention
very
quickly
is
that
over
the
years-
and
this
is
in
the
news
quite
a
bit-
is
that
every
year
there
seems
to
be
a
bill
with
local
government
preemption.
So
this
is
a
case
where
the
legislature
steps
in
and
will
supersede
a
local
government's
authority
on
various
issues.
Some
of
the
more
recent
ones
are
short-term
rentals
right
so
a
few
years
ago
they
passed
one.
That
said,
if
you
did
not
already
have
a
short-term
rental
ordinance
on
the
books
too.
F
Bad
can't
pass
one
anymore,
so
things
like
that
come
out
year
after
year,
so
the
legislature
has
a
big
effect
on
what
you
can
and
can't
do
today,
with
your
comprehensive
plan
now
adding
to
the
complexity
here
in
pinellas
county,
you
also
have
forward
pinellas,
which
is
extremely
unique
in
the
state
of
florida.
The
land
use
and
transportation
planning
authority
here
is
is
forward
pinellas.
F
No
other
local
government
is
exactly
like
it,
where
you
have
an
agency
at
that
level.
That
reviews
your
comprehensive
plan
amendments
as
well.
So
not
only
does
your
stuff
go
to
the
state
still
for
transmittal,
but
you
also
have
to
go
through
a
number
of
public
hearings
of
four
pinellas.
It's
extremely
unique.
F
As
you
can
see,
that's
the
vision
map
that
they
put
together,
which
eventually
fed
into
their
land
use
map.
But
again,
that's
another
level
of
complexity
and
review
and
part
of
the
process
that
we're
going
to
go
through
with
you
with
this
project
is
to
look
at
all
the
changes
that
were
made
to
the
countywide
plan
and
rules
and
update
your
plan
along
with
it,
to
make
it
consistent.
F
And
this
is
an
example
of
the
two
different
maps.
If
you
just
want
to
just
eyeball
it
a
little
bit,
so
they
reduced
their
number
of
categories,
they
used
to
just
basically
take
each
local
government's
comprehensive
plan
map
and
adopt
it
as
the
county-wide
map
and
in
2019.
They
changed
it
up
and
said.
Well,
here
are
the
categories:
here's
where
we
think
make
sense
and
establish
one
map
and
that's
how
they
review
your
comprehensive
plan
amendments
when
you
transmit
to
them.
A
That
people
yeah,
absolutely,
I
meant
to
say,
please,
feel
free
to
stop.
I
was
just
going
to
ask
you:
is,
as
you
go
through
the
the
process,
as
you
go
through
the
presentations,
can
you
point
out
what
things
are
mandated
by
the
state
and
the
county
and
what
we
have
a
flexibility
to
work
on?
If
you
would.
F
Please,
and,
and
by
the
way
I
meant
for
this
to
be.
Obviously
I
have
a
formal
presentation,
but
I
really
wanted
it
to
be
an
opportunity
for
us
to
just
chat.
So
stop
me
at
any
time.
Ask
questions
whatever
it's
fine,
so,
for
instance,
this
is
something
that's
mandated
by
the
state,
so
you're
required
to
have
a
number
of
elements
in
your
comprehensive
plan,
so
future
land
use
transportation,
conservation
and
coastal
management
parks
and
open
space
public
facilities,
which
is
your
water.
F
F
So
those
are
the
ones
that
are
in
florida
statute
that
you
are
required
to
do
some
that
you
can
other
that
you
can
others
that
you
can
have
are
an
adaptation
element
that
could
be
either
part
of
your
conservation,
coastal
management
or
a
separate
element
on
its
own,
and
you
could
do
what
a
lot
of
communities
are
doing.
Is
economic
development
element
now,
so
those
are
optional.
F
Okay,
so
why
are
we
updating
your
comp
plan
today?
A
lot
of
reasons
number
one,
because
there
have
been
changes
to
florida
statute
and
the
county-wide
rules
right
like
we
were
talking
about.
F
So
that's
one
great
reason
to
to
update
your
plan,
but
there
are
so
many
other
reasons,
because
you
have
changed
over
time
right
and
you're
adapting
to
those
changes.
F
Demographic
changes,
hazard
changes,
look
at
what
we've
been
dealing
with
with
cobit
in
the
way
people
are
traveling
differently
and
buying
things
differently,
you're
responding
to
change,
and
that's
why
that's
another
good
reason:
why
you're
updating
your
comprehensive
plan.
F
So
here's
a
good
example
another
you
know:
data
collection
has
changed
so
much
and
improvement
in
technology,
and
so
one
aspect
of
planning
that
you're
required
to
do
is
look
at.
What's
called
the
coastal
high
hazard
area
and
florida
statute,
that
has
two
different
meanings:
one's
for
building
code
and
flood
purposes,
and
the
other
ones
for
land
use
policy
and
land
use
policy
is
what
we're
talking
about
tonight.
F
So
since
2009,
the
hurricane
evacuation
plan
has
been
updated
a
number
of
times
and
if
you
take
a
look
at
this
map
and
the
data
model
that
they
use
for
this,
that
noaa
uses
gets
better
every
few
years,
but
you
can
see
there's
a
little
bit
of
difference
between
2009
and
16
right.
C
F
There's
a
list
of
things
that
you
can
do
in
florida
statute.
By
no
means
you
have
to
adopt
that
it's
just
it's
optional.
If
you
want
to
say
no,
you
can
it's
legislative
policy,
but
I'm
not
talking
about
the
zoning
level.
I'm
talking
about
the
compliment
level,
they're
two
different,
two
different
things
and
we'll
get
to
that.
F
F
Excuse
me,
the
permitted
uses
in
a
land
use
category,
prohibited
uses
and
so
on
and
so
forth,
and
the
point
of
comprehensive
planning
is
to
have
that
those
numbers
planned
out
like
here's
our
future
for
the
next
10
20
years
and
then
coordinate
your
public
facilities
to
be
able
to
handle
that
so
your
water,
your
sewer,
storm
water,
transportation,
it's
meant
to
be
coordinated,
and
so
that's
kind
of
the
whole
point
of
comp
planning
in
florida.
F
Zoning,
on
the
other
hand,
gets
down
to
the
site
level
right
so
you're,
looking
at
building
types
you're
looking
at
street
like
street
sections,
how
do
you
lay
your
streets
out,
arterial,
local
street
and
so
on?
And
so
forth,
the
design
lighting
parking
all
of
that
stuff
that
you
figure
out
on
a
site
level.
F
A
We
years
ago
we
introduced
the
the
smart
code.
Is
that
going
to
be
included
into
that
and
how.
F
That's
your
zoning,
that's
part
of
your
zoning
code,
so
whatever
we
do
with
the
comprehensive
plan
if
it
impacts
something
in
your
smart
code
or
your
the
rest
of
your
code,
your
euclidean,
we
call
it
a
euclidean
code,
it's
just
conventional
zoning
if
it
impacts
that
and
requires
a
change.
You
have
18
months
to
do
that
per
the
statute.
That's
your
time
frame.
F
So
once
you
adopt
your
comp
plan,
if
there
are
changes
that
you
have
to
make
to
your
code,
that's
the
time
frame
to
do
them,
but
we'll
be
I
mean
we'll
look
at
those
things,
I'm
familiar
with
the
smart
code.
When
I
was
the
planning
director
in
bradenton,
we
had.
We
had
it
as
well,
so
I'm
very
familiar
one.
A
Of
the
questions
that
I
had
was
on
this
subject,
so
you
recommended
the
the
comp
plan
to
be
more
general
so
that
we
have
more
flexibility
to
in
regards
to
zoning.
So
you
don't
have
to
go
back
and
right.
A
F
D
A
D
Ms,
hardly
I
have
a
question.
D
D
Thank
you,
the
I
don't
want
to.
D
As
far
as
our
project
goes
or
anything
as
far
as
tonight's
objective,
it's
just
kind
of
a
general
overview
is
that
correct,
more.
D
Sort
of
get
ourselves
grounded
and
we
have
some
other
planning
projects
going
on
too,
and
at
some
point,
for
example,
the
strategic
plan
has
got
to
start
feeding
into
this
at
some
point
and
but
basically,
what
you're
telling
us
right
now
is.
This
is
what
you've
got
right
now.
Is
that
correct,
or
I
maybe
I'm
missing
something
but.
F
No,
so
I'm
I'm
getting
there,
so
I
wanted
to
just
be
able
to
give
like
a
short
introduction
to
how
planning
works
and
comp
planning
and
then
we're
going
to
get
a
little
bit
more
specific
in
just
a
minute
and
have
more
of
a
conversation
about
what
you
want
to
see
come
out
of
your
plan.
Amendment.
F
Yeah
and
definitely
we've
been
following
the
strategic
plan
process.
There
are
some
concepts
that
people
have
been
consistently
bringing
up
that
feed
into
comprehensive
planning
for
sure
other
things
that
they've
brought
up
are
more
programmatic
budget
related
that
may
or
may
not
fit
into
your
comp
plan.
But
we
are
tracking
that
process.
Renee
has
been
sending
us
the
real-time
record,
and
so
we're
keeping
up
with
that.
We
had
wanted
to
try
and
do
a
joint
meeting
with
those
folks
at
one
point,
but
couldn't
quite
make
it
fit
together.
F
C
D
Well,
no,
I
was
just
on
that
note.
I
know,
for
example,
the
the
the
sitting
is
that
the
sitting
boards
workshop
is
tomorrow
and
then
we've
got
a
community
workshop.
I
think
on
saturday.
D
And
and
tonight
you're
going
to
look
at
you're
going
to
identify
some
things.
Perhaps
that
may
be
brought
into
that
discussion
tomorrow
and
then
saturday
as
well.
Are
they
going
to
be
pretty
much
seeing
what
they're
seeing
tonight.
F
Yes,
I've
already
started
to.
I
have
a
separate
presentation.
I
started
with
this
presentation
for
the
other
boards,
but
I'm
going
to
be
doing
some
polling
with
them
because
we'll
have
the
opportunity
to
do
that
in
that
setting.
I
wasn't
able
to
do
that
with
y'all
tonight.
We're
just
going
to
have
a
chat,
but
I'm
I
have
a
list
of
questions
planned
out,
but
I
want
to
hear
what
you
all
have
to
say.
First
before
I
stick
them
in
the
powerpoint,
so
my
powerpoint
for
tomorrow
is
not
going
to
be
done
until
tomorrow
morning,
but.
D
Okay
and
the
reason,
why
is
that
it's
one
that
we've
had
situations
where
we
start
out
with
something
something
gets
changed?
The
next
presentation
happens,
something
gets
changed
there
and
then
the
the
the
third
presentation
something's
different
from
what
we
saw
together
and
then
we're
not
really
knowing
what
where
we
are
right
now
by
the
end
of
that.
Third
one,
I
guess
is
what
I'm
getting
at
so
I
know
I
I
need
to
be
patient
a
little
bit,
but
we'll
see
how
it
goes.
Thank
you
all.
F
I've
added
to
the
one
so
far
for
tomorrow
is
some
better,
some
additional
graphics
with
the
topics
that
I'm
talking
about
tonight
we
got
the
poll
last
night
from
staff,
so
we
were
able
to
read
the
answers
to
the
general
questions
that
were
being
asked.
We
were
able
to
incorporate
that
in
this
and
the
only
other
thing
I'm
going
to
add
other
than
some
additional
nice
graphics
are
the
polling
questions.
That's
basically
going
to
be
the
difference
between
what
you're,
seeing
and
what
they'll
see
tomorrow.
F
Okay,
so
again
we're
just.
We
want
to
evaluate
the
stuff
that
you've
accomplished
over
the
last
couple
years
and
a
couple
of
notable
things
that
you've
done
are
the
mirrors
and
then
the
distant
connection.
That's
in
in
the
works.
That's
a
big
deal!
You
had
that
put
into
your
plan
in
the
multimodal
transportation
district
in
2008
and
those
were
big
projects
to
accomplish
for
little
city.
F
F
F
C
A
C
F
Have
conflicting
policies
so
we'll
fix
that
the
other
thing
is
is
editing
the
language
so
that
it
is
easy
to
read
and
it's
implementable,
it's
written
in
plain
language
you
have
to
the
common
person
should
be
able
to
open
it
up
and
read
it
and
understand
what
they're
reading
right.
So
those
are
the
two
most
important
things
that
I
think
that
we
can
do
for
you.
F
So
now
here's
the
here's,
the
conversational
part.
What
goals
do
you
think?
What
are
the
things
that
you
want
to,
pat
yourself
on
the
back
for
that
you've
accomplished
over,
say
the
last
10
years
or
so
the
good
things
that
you've
done?
Don't
even
worry
about.
If
it's
in
your
plan
or
not
just
tell
me
what
some
of
the
good
things
that
you've
done
are.
A
Well,
the
the
water
plan,
it's
it's
a
big
thing
that
we
do
you
give
us
the
independence.
B
B
F
B
And
how
do
you
balance
that,
with
with
new
boards,
I
guess
coming
in
with
new
priorities?
You
know,
because,
because
this
board,
the
next
board
the
board
after
that,
if
this
plan
is
meant
to
outlast
them,
or
at
least
some
of
them,
depending
on
the
length
of
their
terms?
How
do
you
balance
that
you
know
if
somebody
gets
on
the
board
and
they
say
I
want
to
turn
riverside
fields
into
a
rocket
launch
station.
You
know
and-
and
they
convinced
three
people
to
do
it.
B
F
I
can
tell
you
that
it
is.
It
is
difficult
and
I
have
sat
in
renee's
seat
for
a
number
of
years
and
one
local
government
that
I
worked
for
specif
had
it
was,
it
was
black
or
white.
You
were
either
pro
growth
or
no
growth.
There
was
no
gray.
C
F
That
commission
turned
over
every
two
years
pro
growth,
two
years,
no
growth,
two
years
they
spent
millions
of
dollars
in
litigation.
It's
not
easy,
but
fortunately
with
comprehensive
planning.
It's
it.
It
does
take
a
lot
of
public
involvement
to
get
it
done
and
you
go
through
so
you
go
through.
You
know
what
is
it
five
public
hearings
just
to
amend
your
plan
and
if
you
do
a
good
job
of
outreach
to
folks,
it's
not
easy.
It's
not
easy
to
up
to.
You
know,
amend
your
plan.
How
many,
how
many
comp.
B
F
Two,
maybe
I
was
skimming
through
the
records
online
on
the
department
or
deo's
website.
You
know
small
scale,
amendment
here,
a
cip
here,
you
just
haven't
done
them
very
often
you've
done
when
you
have
to
and
then
when
the
statute
changes.
But
I
didn't
see
a
hundred
comp
plan
amendments
every
single
year.
B
Yeah
so-
and
that's
that's
kind
of
my
concern-
is,
I
think,
a
lot
of
times
when
you
talk
about
the
cip
plan,
it's
it
almost.
It
encourages
new
ideas,
rather
than
also
encouraging
maintenance
of
current
capital
things.
So
like
a
lot
of
times,
if
we're
talking
about
the
comp
plan
or
sorry,
the
cip
plan
it'll
be
like,
I
want
to
build
this,
or
I
want
to
move
this
or
I
want
to
do
this,
whereas
we
have
some
things
that
are
lagging
behind,
that
we
need
to
take
care
of
that's
something
we
need
to
do.
B
In
the
past
two
years
we
rebuilt
the
dorset
park,
basketball
courts.
You
know
we
came
in
with
pictures
during
budget
season
and
those
were
I
mean
just
chocked
full
of
cracks.
The
backboards
were
breaking
and
then
the
same
thing
really
recently
with
with
sisler
field.
It's
a
historic
field
here
and
the
fence
was
being
you
know,
held
up
in
places
with
zip
ties
and
we
completely
redid
them
and
again,
those
are
those
are
not
small
projects.
Those
are,
you
know,
six
figure
projects,
but
that's
something
that
I
feel
like
kind
of
gets
lost.
B
F
C
F
It's
difficult
for
everybody
for
a
number
of
years.
Florida
statute
said
that
your
cip
had
to
be
financially
feasible,
so
you
had
to
say
here's
how
we're
paying
for
it.
Here's
how
we
can
afford
it
and
the
problem
that
local
governments
had
with
that
was
you
know
when
you
apply
for
grants,
for
instance,
for
something.
F
Maybe
it's
not
something
you
would
otherwise
do
if
you
didn't
have
that
federal
money
or
state
money
or
whatever,
to
go
along
with
it,
but
you
get
a
lot
of
extra
points
in
the
grant
scoring
application
if
it's
in
your
comprehensive
plan,
if
it's
in
your
capital
plan-
and
so
if
you
didn't,
have
a
plan
to
pay
for
it
back
then,
and
you
were
applying
for
a
grant,
it's
like
well,
what
are
we
going
to
do
now?
We're
not
going
to
get
so.
F
You
know,
there's
there's
what
I'm
saying
is:
there's
push
and
pull
everywhere
right,
and
so
you
can
stick
to
that
financial
feasibility
policy.
There's
nothing
that
says
that
you
can't,
but
at
the
same
time
you
might
want
to
have
a
couple
creative
things
in
there
that
you
would
apply
for
a
grant
for
it's
all
about
balance
and
it's
all
about
the
community's
values
and.
B
F
C
F
Should
look
like
that,
it
here's
the
line,
item,
here's
what
it's
paying
for
a
lot
of
local
governments
will
say.
Well,
we've
got
so
many
things
that
we
do
that
are
less
than
a
hundred
thousand
dollars.
You
don't
want
a
500
page,
cip
and
they'll
have
a
dollar
threshold.
So
here's
our
big
capital
projects
that
we're
doing
but
think
of
it
like
you
would
for
budgeting
yeah,
but
on
a
five-year
scale.
D
I
want
to
take
a
kind
of
a
broader
stroke
on
this.
The
mayor
mentioned
a
couple
of
things.
Commissioner,
donovan
mentioned
a
couple
of
things
and
and
what
goals
has
the
city
met
its
goals
thresholds?
I
want
to
say
thresholds
and
we've
reached
the
90
percent,
build
out
and
we've
reached
it,
regardless
of
whether
we
consider
ourselves
successful
or
not.
We've
reached
it
largely
in
the
situation
where
we
are
right
now
being
independent
and
we've
got
our
own
water
system,
we're
completely
independent
there.
D
Our
own
sewer
system,
we've
got
our
own
hospital,
we've
got
the
shopping,
we've
got
a
cultural
district,
we've
got
a
historic
district,
we've
got
dentist
lawyers
and
and
we're
we're
a
community
and
we're
45
water
for
florida,
we're
45
percent
water.
D
D
How
we
take
this
last
10
percent,
so
we
don't
wind
up
ruining
what
we
achieved
over
these
last
50
or
so
years
or
or
less
since
this
growth
management
act
was
in
place
and-
and
so
we've
succeeded
in
that,
of
course,
you
can
always
take
it
back
to
when
the
city
was
first
founded,
but
that's
what
I
see
is
the
biggest
value
of
what
we're
going
through
right
now.
Is
this
shifting
gears
from
a
development
to
preservation?
I
think
that's
what
commissioner
donovan
is
touching
on.
D
I
mean
there's
certain
things
that
are
nice
to
have
things,
but
what
is
it
that
we're
not
doing
when
we
do
the
nice
to
have
things,
and
that
is
what
I
see
is
the
value
of
the
strategic
plan.
Is
it
establishes
the
priorities
and
so
the
biggest?
If
it's
criticism
or
observation
that
I've
made
on
our
cip
or
five-year
cip
and
I've,
told
the
city
manager
about
this,
you
could
take
the
cip
from
three
years
ago.
D
But
we
do
the
nice
things,
but
we
don't
do
the
basic
things
and
that's
what
my
interest
is
in
all
of
this,
so
that,
when
this
is
done,
there'll
be
a
clear
picture
of
what
we
need
to
do
to
go
from
90
percent
to
100
percent
and
have
something
that
the
residents
want,
that
we
haven't
over
built
and
created
an
overcrowding
situation.
Tarpon
and
tarpon
is
largely
the
same
feel
of
what
you've
got
today.
D
That's
my
objective:
not
to
try
and
transition
from
tarpon
springs
to
make
it
look
like
dunedin
or
st
petersburg,
or
safety
harbor
or
whatever
else
somebody's
whatever
the
residents
want,
is
what
we
should
be
achieving
in
this,
and
that's
why?
I
think
it's
real
important,
your
your
outreach
programs,
your
you'll,
be
getting
that
message,
I'm
pretty
sure
a
lot
and
clear
that
people
are
happy
with
what
they've
got.
Let's
keep
it
and
fix
what
we
need
to
fix
and
move
into
the
future.
That
way.
C
F
D
Your
housing
element
in
one
of
the
overarching
just
I
want
to
call
it
it's
kind
of
a
theme.
It
says
we'll.
Let
the
free
market
economy
determine
the
type
of
housing
that
we
want
for.
Tarpon
springs
well,
okay,
but
we've
largely
got
what
we've
got
and
the
only
way
that's
going
to
change
is,
if
you,
I
don't
think
anybody's
going
to
take
a
40-unit
apartment,
complex,
knock
it
down
and
build
one
single-family
home.
D
So
there's
this
concern
of
redevelopment
and
increasing
density
and
so
forth,
and
that's
got
to
be
up
to
the
residents
as
far
as
what
they
want,
and
it's
this
overbuilt
the
ford
pro
pinellas
that
you've
seen
you've
seen
some
of
the
missing
middle
discussions.
I'm
sure
you
have
where
tarpon's
been
very
fortunate
in
that
regard,
and
now
they're
trying
to
kind
of
go
back
to
what
they
missed
and
re-establish
a
missing
middle.
We
have
that,
so
we
don't
want
to
go
to
that.
D
So
in
the
housing
element,
there's
some
just
the
general
philosophy
of
how
it
was
originally
set
up
that
that
philosophy
has
got
to
change
and
that's
what
I
mean
by
shifting
from
something
that
encourages.
I
don't
call
it
wholesale
development,
but
the
type
of
development
that
would
be
welcomed
by
a
town.
Let's
say:
that's
half
built
out
versus
a
town,
that's
nearly
built
out.
Those
are
going
to
be
two
distinct
different
philosophies.
F
F
It's
not
saying
don't
have
any
rules
and
let
the
market
do
whatever
wants
to
that's,
not
what
it
says.
So,
don't
feel
pressure,
don't
feel
that
pressure,
because
that's
not
what
it
means.
It
means
plan
for
your
future,
for
everybody
have
some
equity
in
it.
That's
really
what
it's
trying
to
say,
and
it's
also
saying
you,
you
you're
not
exempt
from
change,
but
you
you
can
determine
your
the
way.
Your
future
looks.
F
D
F
D
Whatever
it's
going
to
take
to
get
to
50
000.,
I
mean
the
people
that
had
this
vision
in
mind
for
30
000
were
that's
what
I'm
saying
that
we're
pretty
close
to
achieving
that,
and
that's
just
something
that
you
know
we
could.
As
you
said,
change
is
going
to
occur,
there's
going
to
be
continued
development
pressure.
D
There's
going
to
be
this,
I
there's
no
doubt
in
my
mind,
there's
going
to
be
this
inching
upward
in
terms
of
population
in
a
variety
of
different
ways,
but
at
some
point
we
need
to
also
have
recognize
when
that
does
happen
and
understand
what
we're
doing
when
we
do
that,
which
I
don't
think
largely.
We
have
that
mechanism
in
place
right
now,
so
it's
kind
of
a
safeguard
that
we
need
to
build
into
our
plan.
I'm
not
talking
about
not
changing.
D
C
A
F
A
F
Everybody's
30,
so
that's
that's
like
the
ba.
That's
the
basic
30
of
your
income
towards
housing,
but
then
there
are
considerations
for
certain
populations
that
make
a
hundred
and
twenty
percent
of
your
area
median
income,
which
is
again
it's
numbers
that
are
published
by
hud.
You
look
up
the
little
table.
Here's
how
it
reads
and
you're
you're
saying:
okay:
how
can
we
help
what
what
can
we
do
with
our
regulations?
F
A
F
You
should
be
looking
at
your
process
to
see
how
you
can
get
out
of
the
way
of
the
private
market
providing
housing
for
everybody,
for
teachers,
for
your
firemen,
your
policemen,
the
you
know,
kids,
that
are
back
in
your
groceries
at
publix
you're
supposed
to
think
about
everybody
and
how
your
system
works.
You
are
not
required
to
build
the
housing
yourself.
A
F
There
are
a
number
of
code
related
things
that
local
governments
can
do
to
get
out
of
the
way,
and
there
are
more
zoning
code,
things
than
comp
plan
things
and
they're
just
little
little
hacks
that
you
can
do
like.
How
are
you
addressing
the
for
accessory
dwelling
units?
Now
you
can
provide
pre-approved
building
plans,
for
instance,
you
can
waive
the
some
fees
for
it.
You
can
waive
your
impact
fees
for
affordable
housing
now
under
florida
statute.
F
If
you
have
any
language
that
says
you
can
only
have
one
principal
building
per
lot,
that's
something
that
you
can
change.
If
you've
seen,
you
know
the
little
bungalow
courts
all
over
tampa
bay.
Those
are
seven,
eight
nine
single-family
houses
on
one
lot,
but
a
lot
of
local
governments,
land
development
codes
will
say.
Well,
you
can
only
have
one
and
that's
it.
That's
the
standard,
so
there's
little
things
that
you
can
do
that
can
make
a
huge
difference.
F
Just
to
loosen
things
up
a
little
bit
parking
is
the
one
of
the
biggest
things
you
can
do.
You
know
a
surface
parking
space
costs
between
five
and
ten
thousand
dollars.
Just
for
the
you
know,
between
the
storm
water
and
the
drive
aisle,
that's
ten
thousand
dollars
every
single
dwelling
unit
for
every
parking
space.
So
it's
just
it's
things
like
that
that
seem
so
small,
but
make
a
huge
difference
and
someone
who
has
to
ask
for
a
subsidy
and
someone
who
can
make
a
project
pencil
out
for
teachers
just
little
things
that
you
can
change.
A
Would
you
you
know,
would
you
explain
a
little
bit
about
the
the
rentals?
Is
that
in
requirement
that
you
can
have
under
the
housing
element.
F
So
here's
a
here's,
a
good
example
of
a
preemption
that
I
was
talking
about
earlier,
the
legislative
preemption,
if
you
have
an
inclusionary
housing
ordinance,
if
you
adopt
one
now
where
you
require
a
developer
to
set
aside
a
certain
number
of
units
for
affordable
housing,
the
local
government
has
to
offset
that
cost
to
the
developer.
F
So
you
have
to
figure
out
if
a
density
bonus
would
help
cover
the
cost,
if
waiving
fees
would
help
cover
the
cost,
so
it
makes
it
harder
for
local
governments
to
put
it
on
the
developer,
for
instance,
there's
nothing
in
statute
that
requires
you
to
say
this.
Many
can
be
rentals.
This
money
has
to
be
for
sale.
There's
nothing
like
that.
If
that's
what
your
question.
F
F
F
A
F
So
again,
so
we're
going
to
get
into
the
nitty-gritty
I
mean
this
is
this
is
not
going
to
be
the
first
time
I
talk
to
y'all
or
the
public
or
anything,
but
so
it's
about
goal
setting
and
what
new
goals
you
want
to
achieve,
whether
it's
capital
projects
or
what
your
town
looks
like
or
whatever
the
possibilities
are
endless,
and
now
we're
going
to
I'm
going
to
start
throwing
some
topics
at
you
to
kind
of
try
and
engage
to
see
what
what
may
be
interesting
or
important
to
you.
D
You
know
what
what
is
important,
and
I
think
that,
as
far
as
and
you'll
hear
more
about
this
too,
that
you're
finding
out
that's
coming
as
a
recurring
theme
in
the
in
the
planning
process
is
the
just
some
basic
things
like
the
inundation,
the
king,
tides
and
things
like
that,
and
I
are
you
looking
for
something
like
that
this
evening
or
not.
F
D
Well-
and
I
think
it's
near
and
dear
to
the
mayor's
heart
as
well
that,
but
we
seem
to
be
not
struggling,
but
we're
we're
not
very
creative.
I
guess
in
how
we
approach
this
sort
of
thing.
I
mean
we've
got
this:
we're
the
lowest
area
city
in
pinellas
county
and
we're
continuing
to
live
with
this
flooding.
And
it's
it's
getting.
You
know
it's
not
going
to
get
any
better.
D
Let
me
put
it
that
way,
so
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
gets
back
to
this
achieving
independence
and
the
fact
that
we
are
at
90
percent.
Where
do
we
want
to
be
when
we're
100?
One
of
the
things
is
we
we'd
like
we
need
to
have
dry
feet.
The
streets
need
to
be
as
dry
as
they
can.
They
need
to
be.
Our
sidewalks
are
flooded
around
craig
park
and
there's
a
number
of
things
like
that.
D
D
We
seem
to
be
pushing
towards
grants
which
are
great,
but
there's
also
other
funding
mechanisms
as
well,
and
but
that's
not
for
this
discussion
this
evening,
but
we'll
get
into
that
at
a
later
date
at
some
point,
but
that's
the
one
thing
and
then
the
other
thing
that
we
mentioned
the
attainable
housing.
I
there's
the
affordable
housing,
there's
housing,
that's
affordable
and
then
there's
attainable
housing.
D
The
affordable
housing
we've
got
our
housing
authority.
Are
that
doesn't
do
an
excellent
job
and
they're
continuing
to
make
progress
in
that?
Well
and
then
we've
got
the
housing,
that's
affordable
or
attainable
housing
and
it
gets
back
to
what
you
hit
on.
There's
we've
we're
an
old
town
and
we've
got
a
lot
of
property
that
the
old
houses
are
no
longer
there.
I
mean
in
my
lifetime.
I
don't
remember
them
there,
but
when
you
look
at
some
of
the
old
insurance
maps,
they
were
there
but
they're
they're
non-conforming.
D
So
I
know
we've
got
our
stand.
Our
special
area
plan
that
allows
things
through
transects
and
things
like
that
that
gives
us
that
flexibility,
but
that
I,
in
my
opinion,
we
probably
should
be
able
to
expand
on
that.
So
these
little
lots
that
are
non-conforming.
We
tell
people,
you
can't
build
on
that
or
it's
part
of
the
main
house
now,
but
you
certainly
could
have
a
house
there
as
long
as
what
is
being
proposed
is
compatible
with
the
rest
of
the
neighborhood.
D
Like
the
bungalows,
we
had
a
a
project,
the
other
night,
which
almost
looked
like
a
you
know,
I
would
say,
very
very
narrow
house,
which
would
have
not
been
compatible
with
a
neighborhood,
but
those
are
the
sort
of
things,
the
smaller
home,
less
square
footage.
Smaller
lot
translates
into
a
less
expensive
home,
which
I
think
at
least
that
would
give
some
chance
for
younger
families
to
to
get
their
to
get
their
feet
on
the
ground
with
something
like
that.
A
F
F
D
F
D
Maybe
maybe
I'm
not
understanding
something
but
well,
obviously,
I'm
not,
but
through
this
preemption
through
the
state,
airbnbs
or
short-term
rentals
can
exist
in
what
would
normally
be
residential.
Our
zone,
not
special
area
plan,
historic
districts
or
anything
like
that,
even
though
our
current
ordinances
say
that
they
can't
be
if.
A
E
Yeah,
so
we
we
have
going
back
to
the
90s.
We
have.
We
had
to
find
a
tourist
home
or
short-term
rentals.
It's
been
in
our
land
development
code
and
there
was
only
a
couple
of
traditional
zoning
districts
where
they
were
even
conditional
uses.
We
also,
we
deliberately
picked
some
an
area
in
the
smart
code
area
where
we
wanted
to
where
we
wanted
to
allow
them,
because
we
thought
they
were
a
good
idea
between
the
docs
and
the
downtown
everything
and
so
they're,
either
permitted
or
conditional.
E
D
E
D
Okay,
I'm
just
bringing
this
up
is
for
something
for
you
to
think
about.
There's
going
to
have
to
be
some
decision
by
the
commission
to
go
in
that
direction,
but
in
terms
of
goals
to
achieve
that
would
be.
One
of
them
is,
is
an
example
of
one
to
to
kind
of
think
about
so,
and
those
are
the
topics
that
are
important
to
me
as
well.
F
Got
it
got
it?
I
misunderstood
your
question
yeah,
so
I
hear
what
you're
saying:
okay
yeah!
Thank
you,
but
yeah!
No,
you
can
always
write
a
policy
that
says
we
will
continue
to
fund
code
enforcement
to
go
after
you
know
illegal,
short-term
rentals.
That
kind
of
thing
that's
there's
no
problem
with
that.
It's
just
adding
regulation
to
an
area
that
was
not
before
that.
Preemption
went
into
place;
okay,
good,
okay,
back
to
what
we
were
talking
about
all
right.
F
So
a
popular
topic
that
is
has
been
gaining
traction
for
the
last
10
years,
or
so
it's
called
health
in
all
policies.
F
And
that's
when
you
look
at
not
just
your
comprehensive
plan
policies,
but
also
your
zoning
ordinance
and
things
that
you
do
programmatically
so
that
it's
it's
showing
that
there's
equity,
that
you're
outreaching
everyone
that
you're
thinking
about
the
entire
community
and
not
just
a
few
and
acknowledging
the
fact
that
the
way
that
you
build,
for
instance,
for
the
comprehensive
plan
purposes,
it
does
affect
public
health
in
some
way
or
another,
and
recognizing
that
people's
prosperity
can
be
tied
to
their
to
their
health.
For
sure.
F
Another
popular
topic
right
now
is
the
15-minute
city
right.
Can
you
get
to
all
of
your
needs,
or
at
least
the
things
that
you
want
to
do
go
out
to
eat
or
the
park?
Can
you
do
that
in
15
minutes,
whether
it's
walking
biking
could
be
by
automobile
too?
Some
cities
are
saying:
no,
you
should
be
able
to
do
everything,
walk
or
bike.
F
That's
not
really
possible,
not
a
lot
of
places
in
the
united
states,
but
can
you
meet
your
daily
needs
within
15
minutes
and
that's
important,
because
no
one
likes
to
spend
all
day
in
the
car,
that's
frustrating
and
what
people
crab
about
the
most
when
they
come
to
a
public
hearing?
Is
traffic
right
and
so
being
able
to
meet
all
your
needs
within
15
minutes
is
a
topic
that
a
lot
of
cities
are
are
broaching
right
now.
So
that's
a
another
one
that
I'm
throwing
out
there
for
you.
A
A
B
B
Do
you
have
like
an
example
of
how
that
would
be
like
written
in
a
comp
plan,
because
that
seems
just
so.
I
mean
that
literally
seems
as
broad
as
it
gets
in
terms
of
hey.
We
want
to
look
out
for
everybody's
physical,
mental,
financial
well-being,
but
I
feel
like
that
should
be
behind
every
policy
almost
without
being
said
right.
F
B
F
Things
like
when
you're,
taking
into
consideration
a
term
like
compatibility.
What
is
that
really?
What
does
that
really
mean?
In
some
places
it
means
keeping
people
out
a
certain
those
people
out
in
other
places.
It
means
well
don't
locate
your
residential
next
to
the
nuclear
power
plant.
It
means
different
things
in
different
places
and
being
cognizant
of
how
you
bring
those
policies,
and
those
perceptions
forward
is
important.
B
Okay,
I
just
feel
like
that
could
muddy
the
water
like
in
some
in
some
instance
like
if,
if
an
apartment
like
an
apartment,
complex
is
coming
in,
you
could
say
it's
overcrowding,
it's
hurting
the
roads,
it's
not
safe,
but
then,
on
the
flip
side,
you
could
say
what
about
financial
health?
What
about
the
tax
revenue?
What
about
the
businesses
that
are
going
to
have
additional
people?
So
is
that
almost
kind
of
muddy
in
the
waters,
the
health
and
all
policies
approach?
E
Yeah,
so
let
me
I'll
chime
in
a
little
bit
here:
pinellas
county
has
really
gone
down
this
path
and
the
pinellas
county,
the
health
department
or
the
pinellas
county
branch
of
the
health
health
department,
funded
three
health
and
all
policy
planners,
and
one
was
in
pinellas
county.
One
was
in
panelist
park
and
one
city
of
st
petersburg,
so
in
in
the
intent
there
is
that
for
for
your
programmatic
things
and
for
your
you
know,
policy
documents
and
things
like
that.
E
So
so,
let's
say
you
know,
if
you're,
if
you
have
a
health
and
all
policies,
approach
and
you've
got
a
transportation
project
that
you
may
actually
do,
either
a
desktop
survey
or
a
more
in-depth
and
I'm
this.
The
term
is
escaping
me,
but
you
literally
look
at
that
project
through
a
health
policy
lens
before
you
would
get
to
the
point
of
like
final
design
and
things
like
that
to
look
at
the
impact
on
the
community
things
like
so
there
it
it's,
it
does
look
across
the
board
at
financial.
E
You
know
things
like
you
know.
Is
it
a
project?
That's
going
to
promote
walking
from
well,
maybe
one
of
those
essential
services
that
you
need.
You
know
walking
in
and
of
itself.
You
know
is
a
is
a
great.
You
know,
physical.
You
know,
well-being,
you
know
improvement.
So
it's
it's
a
really
broad
topic,
but
pinellas
county
has
done
some
interesting
work
on
this.
So
if
it's
something
you
want
a
little
more
information
about,
I
can
I
can
wing
some
information.
Your
way.
F
Here's
a
specific,
I'm
sorry,
here's
a
specific
policy
that
that
we
wrote
for
the
city
of
pinellas
park
because
we
did
work
with
with
their
temporary
planner
that,
with
this
issue,
you
establish
in
your
parks
element,
for
instance,
a
level
of
service
for
parks
right.
You
have
to
have
so
many
acres
per
capita
of
park
space
instead
of
saying.
F
Well,
here's
this
much
we're
going
to
have
this
much
land,
but
not
really
have
an
idea
of
what
we're
you
know
going
to
do
with
it
or
whatever
they
changed
it
to
a
pedestrian
shed.
So
your
parks,
when
we
think
about
planning
for
parks
in
the
future,
when
we
do
parks
master
plan,
can
people
walk
there
in
10
minutes,
that's
an
easy
thing
to
measure
so
dot
to
dot,
and
that's
that's
the
level
of
service
that
they're
considering
in
their
new
comprehensive
plan
and
that
came
from
health
in
all
policies.
C
D
We
I
didn't
mention:
we've
got
a
four-year
college
as
well.
People
could
15-minute
city
15-minute
walk
to
go,
get
your
degree
or
15-minute
less
than
a
minute,
commute
time
to
go
to
a
forum
and
in
the
town
less
than
30
thousand.
So
I
I
think
if
we
do
things
right,
all
this
stuff
is
going
to
fall
out.
I
think
the
residents
are
going
to
be
part
of
this
and
I
think
there
will
be
a
greater
understanding,
but
it's
got
to
be
done
right.
D
F
D
And-
and
I
think
what
you
really
mean-
I
mean-
we've
talked
about
the
comp
plan.
We
talked
about
the
land
development
code.
The
land
development
code
is
actually
the
implementation
of
the
comprehensive
plan,
but
that's
just
one
aspect:
there's
also
a
whole
lot
of
other
ordinances
that
are
going
to
come
out
of
the
comp
plan
as
well,
not
just
the
land
development
code.
So
thank
you.
C
F
It
okay,
here's
one
that
you
just
you
brought
up.
We
were
talking
about
a
few
minutes
ago.
Context
sensitive
infill
development
right.
Does
it
fit
in
to
where
it's
going?
Does
it
fit
into
the
neighborhood.
C
F
F
B
I
think
that's
a
great
idea:
can
you
give
me
some
examples
of
what
that
would
entail?
You
know,
working
with
you
know,
we
have
miss
lemons
here,
he's
our
economic
development,
director
and
contact
person
and
that's
marketing
initiatives
grants
for
small
businesses
that
kind
of
thing.
So
how
would
that
look
in
a
comp
plan
like
as
an
example.
F
It
can
take
a
number,
it
depends
on.
What
how
are
you
doing
economic
development?
Are
you
trying
to?
Are
you
trying
to
retain
businesses?
Are
you
trying
to
draw
in
new
businesses?
What
are
your
economic
development
goals
currently.
B
F
Would
specifically
write
policies
to
say
here
are
the
things
that
we
here
are
the
grants
and
initiatives
that
we
will
support
in
the
future,
and
we
did
the
economic
development
element
for
pinellas
park.
I
can
send
you
that,
and
you
can
kind
of
take
a
look
because
they
took
a
similar
approach
to
what
you're
talking
about,
and
so
we
can
send
you
that,
and
you
can
take
a
look
at
it.
Yeah.
B
And
that
would
be
flexible
because
I
definitely
want
to
accommodate
grants
that
we
might
not
have
thought
of
right.
Now
I
mean
we've
had
multiple
new
grants,
since
I
came
on
the
board
that
we
got
introduced
by
either
staff
or
citizen
driven
or
board,
driven
where
I
was
just
like
wow.
We
never
thought
of
that.
So
that
would
allow,
I
guess,
the
flexibility
of
saying
hey.
We
can
add
new
grants
as
long
as
they're
designed
to
help
retain
small
businesses,
yeah.
F
You
have
an
overall
overreaching
goal
of
how
you
want
your
economic
development
program
to
work
if
it's
just
helping
the
small
businesses
in
town
instead
of
attracting
amazon,
that's
kind
of
how
you
can
word
it.
You
don't
have
to
say
well
we're
going
to
have
this
specific
funding
and
that
specific
funding.
But
your
general
policy
is
to
help
small
businesses
for.
F
F
C
D
On
economic
development,
the
one
thing
I've
been
and
this
gets
to
the
90
build
out-
you
mentioned
keeping
businesses,
I
think,
or
growing
businesses,
and
it's
the
same
thing,
there's
only
so
much
room
for
businesses.
I
know
the
business
dynamic
is
changing.
A
lot
of
people
are
working
from
homes.
D
So
at
some
point,
we're
going
to
have
to
have
a
discussion
about
that
and
I
think
the
economic
development
element
addition
which
would
make
it.
I
guess
our
12th
element.
I
guess,
if
we
count,
I
don't
know
whether
we're
gonna
have
the
property
rights.
Is
this
the
individual?
Maybe
a
one-page
element,
I
guess
and
yeah
so
that'll
make
it
our
12th
element.
D
D
The
type
of
economic
development-
maybe
at
this
point
in
time
it's
got
to
be
a
little
mixture
of
both,
because
we've
got
the
north
side
of
the
ankle
river,
where
most
of
our
undeveloped
land
exists
and
most
of
that's
industrial
and
we're
getting.
In
my
opinion,
mixed
signals
from
developers
that
I've
talked
to
it's
what
the
county,
because
most
of
its
unincorporated
county
too.
As
far
as
what
they'll
allow
to
go
on
there
and
they've
been
holding
fast
to
not
residential
development,
but
keeping
it
industrial
or
light
industry.
D
F
Well,
right
right,
it
all
fits
together
right.
It's
a
puzzle
that
all
fits
together.
Here's
one
little
example
and
and
renee
was
telling
me
that
that
you
all
knew
a
little
bit
about
strong
towns
and
the
stuff
that
they
were
doing
as
far
as
asset-based
and
one
of
the
little
pieces
that
chuck
wrote
relatively
recently
was
you
know
during
covid
and
people
weren't
able
to
get
their
normal
services
done,
couldn't
go,
get
my
hair
done
right,
but
people
were
wanting
to
especially
a
neighborhood
next
to
mine
in
tampa.
F
A
lot
of
folks
were
like
well,
I
want
to
open
up
a
station
for
someone
to
cut
my
hair,
like
in
my
I've,
got
a
detached
garage.
Why
can't?
I
have
a
little
business,
you
know
a
little
start-up
business
and
do
that.
Well,
the
garage
is
non-conforming,
it
doesn't
meet
the
setbacks
and
no,
you
can't
have
a
you
can't
cut
hair
there.
So
it's
little
things
like
that
that
you
just
think
about
that,
could
add
so
much
value,
and
but
it's
so
small,
the
little
there's.
C
F
D
F
A
We're
good
for
right
now,
but
I
want
to
add
one
more
thing.
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
emphasizing
that
we
have
a
balance
in
the
comprehensive
plan.
They'll
have
a
balance
with
the
growth
economic
development,
with
preserving
the
environment
and
safety
right.
All
that
stuff
should
be
combined
together,
but
let's
not
discourage
to
have
a
growth
right.
You
know,
in
order
to
put
you
know,
to
do
the
other.
F
B
F
Are
we,
including
everyone
as
part
of
the
process?
Are
we
including
everyone
as
part
of
the
decision-making
process?
Are
we
thinking
about
the
people
that
don't
have
time
to
show
up
or
that
can't
they're
supporting
their
families
they're
working
at
night?
Are
we
thinking
about
their
needs
too,
and
thinking
it
thinking
through
that
lens,
not
just
the
usual
suspects
that
show
up
at
the
at
the
hearings.
C
B
And
so
how
are
we
doing
that?
I
know
I'm
sure
you
have
a
slide
later,
as
far
as
the
upcoming
workshops,
that
kind
of
thing,
but
I
know
this
on
connect
tarpon,
I
believe
for
feedback.
Is
there
anything
else?
I
mean
chamber
of
commerce
that
kind
of
thing
as
far
as
just
projecting
these
getting
these
out
there
for
more
feedback.
F
The
facebook
page
was
established
and
we've
got
rolling.
We
have
rolling
posts
going
on
that,
but,
most
importantly
because,
as
you
know,
when
you're,
when
you're
doing
a
public
hearing
for
a
land,
use,
change
or
zoning
change,
you're
required
to
do
a
mail
notice
right
and
it
only
goes
to
the
property
owners,
not
not
necessarily
the
folks
that
live
in
the
impacted
area.
But
for
this
we
we
did
a
little
utility
bill
flyer,
because
you
know
what
everybody
pays:
their
water
bill
right
and
so.
A
F
A
E
And
I'll
jump
in
here
too
we've
the
planning
department's
been,
you
know
myself
and
my
staff
have
been
really
you
know
trying
to
think
through.
How
can
we
get
to
those
other
populations?
And
so
we
kind
of
want
to
you
know:
we've
gotten,
you
know
a
travel
set
of
you
know
projector
and
screen,
and
so
you
know
we
would
like
to
be
able
to.
E
You
know,
have
a
little
speakers
viewer
about
this
or
you
know,
go
to
hoas,
let's
go
to
the
schools,
let's
go
to
the
you
know
so
get
that
out
there
as
we
go
through
the
process
at
strategic
points
along
the
way,
so
that
hopefully
we
can,
you
know,
get
reach
as
many
people
as
that,
traditionally
you
said,
aren't
going
to
show
up
here
or
may
have
limited
resources
and
ability
to
participate.
So
we've
been
thinking
through
that.
E
A
They're
not
very
friendly
with
the
iphones
and
stuff
like
that.
We're.
E
Also,
I
mean
this
first
friday
this
friday
night
we're
going
to
have
a
booth.
You
know
for
for
the
comp
plan,
so
yeah
yep,
so.
F
D
A
F
At
a
stopping
point,
a
pausing
point
anyway,
so
I
thought
I
would
just
ask
so
again:
health
in
all
policies.
You
can
see
it
involves
land
use,
it
involves
affordable
housing,
it
involves
transportation.
F
D
I
offer
something:
yeah
there's
been
lately:
we've
got
a
public
schools
facilities
element
and
I'm,
I
guess
we're
going
to
keep
that
is
right.
Renee
have
you
have
we
made
that
decision
you,
you
kind
of
alluded
to
that.
D
I
think
okay,
because
and
it's
interesting,
because
the
health
in
all
policies
and
the
sustainability
there's
a
lot
of
parents
that
feel
that
their
children
have
to
go
out
of
to
some
other
school
somewhere
else,
further
away
than
palm
harbor,
and
things
like
that
and
I've
had
that
discussion
with
them
and
explain
that
the
role
of
city
government
is
extremely
limited
and
what
can
be
affected.
D
But
we
could
introduce
some
policy
in
our
comprehensive
plan,
at
least
from
the
city
government,
what
our
what
our
goal
would
be
in
that
regard
and
then,
if
the
school
board
wishes
to
adopt
that
that's
fine
or
we
could
have
at
least
that,
as
kind
of
a
talking
point
to
address
these
things
with
them.
D
Education,
for
with
for,
I
would
call,
let's
just
say,
an
average
student
that
wants
to
not
do
ap
or
anything
like
that,
but
just
wants
to
get
through,
wants
to
play
sports
and
then
get
on
with
their
lives
and
some
of
the
parents.
That's
the
way
they're
describing
it
to
me,
and
I'm
not
sure-
and
I
don't
really
want
to
offend
anybody-
I'm
not
intending
to.
D
But
that's
the
way
it's
describing
to
me,
but
it's
this
choice
area
program
that
the
county
has
as
far
as
their
schools,
that
it
in
our
comp
plan,
says
that,
and
our
comp
plan
says
that
for
the
traditional
neighborhood
schools
it
won't
work
anymore.
Just
because
of
the
way
pinellas
county
school
systems
have
set
up
their
county-wide
program,
but
that
doesn't
mean
we
can't
at
least
adopt
some
policy
to
say
ideally
for
a
community
eye
like
us.
That
would
be
something
that
we'd
like
to
have,
or
at
least
move
to
right.
A
D
D
If
this
comes
up
in
some
of
the
workshops
that
the
residents
express
something
like
that,
then
I'd
like
to
be
a
little
open-minded,
as
you
know,
as
a
as
a
commissioner
at
least
hear
what
they've
got
to
say
and
if,
if
there's
many
of
them
that
are
saying
the
same
thing
and
it
makes
sense
then-
and
it's
not
going
to
affect
anything
other
than
their
children,
then
why
not
adopt
something
like
that?
That's
all
I'm
saying.
D
D
Social
studies,
mathematics,
I
don't
want
to
call
it
the
three
r's,
but
something
along
that
line
that
they're
looking
for
without
getting
into
like
a
specialty
program
like
an
ap
and
a
lot
of
the
kids.
Don't
want
an
ap
class.
They
just
want
to
be
able
to
get,
let's
say
an
a
in
a
regular
class
rather
than
a
a
c
or
a
d,
and
an
ap
class
is
what
I'm
getting
at
and-
and
I
mean
my
kids
are
grown
and
out
of
the
house.
D
But
we
went
through
that
drill
of
trying
to
get
college
credits
with
ap
classes
and
it's
extremely
hard
to
achieve,
and
but
this
is
what
the
kids
wanted
and
there
was
other
ways
that
they
just
you
know
they
weren't
interested
in
that
because
they
wanted.
Let's
say,
for
example,
somebody
wanted
to
be
an
engineer
and
they
were
interested
in
math
classes
ap,
but
the
english
wasn't
that
important
to
them.
But
the
only
thing
offered
at
that
school
was
an
ap
english
course.
D
Well,
they
took
the
ap
english
course,
and
they
didn't
do
so
well,
but
that
affects
their
gpa.
I
guess
is
what
I'm
getting
at,
but
to
get
into
an
engineering
school.
What
they're
going
to
look
at
is
their
gpa
and
their
mathematics
grades
and
things
of
that
nature,
so
that
that's
kind
of
what
I'm
I'm
not
sure
how
you
would
translate
that
into
something
that
would
fit
into
the
public
schools
facility
element.
D
But
it's
just
something
a
goal
that
we
would
at
least
exp
state
that
to
at
least
move
in
that
direction
for
an
ideal
community.
That's
all.
A
A
Decided
to
get
some
information
on
that
because
we
have
schools
in
the
area
they
specialize
in
different
things.
Commissioner
curtis
mentioned
engineering,
my
both
granddaughters
to
take
an
engineering
at
the
east
lake
school.
They
went
to
east
lake
because
the
engineering
program
and
I'm
sure
other
kids
from
east
lake
coming
here
to
tarpon,
because
the
programs
that
we
have
so
I
think
it's
best
to
get
with
with
the
school
board
to
find
out
what
they
recommend
yeah,
because.
D
D
I'm
not
talking
about
offering
ap
engineering
courses
or
anything
like
that
for
tarpon
springs,
but
it's
just
something
to
try
and
as
a
goal
to
think
about,
the
school
board
is
going
to
pretty
much
do
what
they
want,
and
but
that
doesn't
mean
we
can't
state
that
we
understand
the
sensitivity
of
our
residents
and
memorialize
that
in
some
form
of
a
policy
in
our
comprehensive
plan.
That's
all
so.
B
A
B
D
They
do
that,
but
in
terms
of,
for
example,
the
answer
is
something
that,
if
if
what
you're
saying
is
that
they
could
go
to
one
school
one
day,
another
school,
the
next.
B
D
But
the
idea
is
if,
if
a
child
studying
a
specialty
area
but
they're
not
interested
in
the
specialty,
the
area
that
their
their
school
offers
but
the,
but
they
they
can,
they
they
are
being
able
to
get
what
they
want
in
the
area
of
interest.
Then
the
the
idea
is
that
they're
being
asked
to
take
an
ap
course
when
they
don't
really
want
to
take
an
ap
course,
because
that's
not
an
area
of
their
interest
that
may
here
at
their
gpa.
I
think.
A
The
school
system
is
doing
that
now.
For
me,
the
school
system
is
doing
that
now.
This
is
why
I
brought
the
example.
My
granddaughters,
you
know
they
have.
They
have
the
flexibility,
the
students
have
the
flexibility
to
go
to
the
school.
To
get
to.
You
know
to
be
part
of
the
program
that
they
wish
to
be
yeah.
D
D
C
D
And
our
experts
may
say
that's
appropriate
and
they
may
say:
that's
not
appropriate,
but
at
least
we're
open-minded
to
it.
The
the
other
part
of
the
public
school
facilities
is,
we
don't
have
the
saint
petersburg
college
in
that
we've
got
one
one
broad
I've
written
it
down,
but
we've
got
one
paragraph
that
alludes
to.
I
forgot
what
it's
it's
almost
unrelated,
but
I
think
somehow
st
petersburg
college
is
very
important
to
what
we're
seeing
right
here
on
the
screen
and
somehow
we
need
to
draw
that
into
the
comprehensive
plan.
A
The
other
local
schools,
I
think,
if
we
leave
it
to
the
staff,
to
get
some
more
information
from
the
school
board
and
then
bring
it
back.
E
A
good
example
again
pinellas
county
just
went
through
and
they're
wrapping
up
their
major
update
to
their
comp
plan.
They
shifted
their
public
schools
element
to
a
lifelong
earning
lifelong
learning
element,
so
it
shifted
the
focus
from
just.
How
do
we
make
sure
that
we
have
enough
space
available
to
accommodate
school
growth
too?
It's
a
lifelong
thing
for
everybody.
It
shouldn't
just
be
about
students
when
they're.
You
know.
D
F
Okay
right,
but
if
the
school's
element
followed
that
traditional,
older
planning
style
that
was
dealing
with
explosive,
it
came
from
dealing
with
explosive
growth
in
south
florida,
broward,
county
and
miami-dade,
and
they
they
couldn't.
They
couldn't
build
schools
fast
enough
to
keep
up
with
their
population
growth,
and
so
the
statute
was
amended
to
say
all
right.
You
have
to
figure
out
school
concurrency
right.
You
can't
build
homes
until
you've
got
the
school
in
place,
and
so
that
was
a
thing
for
several
years
and
then
have
taken
a
step
back.
F
Obviously,
and
now
it's
an
optional
element:
you
don't
have
to
have
it
and
now
you've
got
some
freedom
to
do
things
like
that
support
policies.
Here's
what
we
would
like
to
see
and
we
support
the
school
board
doing
x,
y
or
z,
and
the
school
board
gets
a
bite
at
the
review
of
your
of
your
comp
plan
amendments.
So
there
is
coordination
there
for
sure,
because
that's
that's
their
job.
D
Is
reviewing
this
I
fully
recognize.
Tarpon
springs
isn't
going
to
be
able
to
offer
everything
to
everybody?
I
I
fully
recognize
that,
but
if
there's
some
things
that
are
going
to
decisions
that
will
be
made
in
the
in
the
future,
it
would
be
important
to
memorialize
at
least
what
our
policy
and
what
our
goal
is,
so
that
whether
the
school
board
says
well,
hey,
what's
tarpon
springs.
D
About
there
and
they'll
ask
the
commission:
the
commission's
response
is
well,
let's
see
what
our
comp
plan
says
on
it,
unless
and
except
so
that
that
commission
doesn't
have
to
create
a
policy
on
the
fly
it's
already
in
our
comp
plan
and
it's
updated
according
to
our
charter
now,
every
three
years,
so
it
should
remain
current.
That's.
A
F
I'm
I'm
from
fort
walton
beach,
and
this
is
mexico
beach
not
too
far
down
the
road.
That
house
was
built
to
a
much
higher
building
code
standard
than
what
we
have
in
florida
now.
I
think
it
was
like
220
miles
an
hour
or
something
that
was
the
only
house
still
standing
in
mexico,
beach
wow.
I
I
attended
a
seminar
not
long
after
the
storm
and
panama
city's
city
manager
and
mayor
were
both
there
and
told
us
about
their
experience
with
michael,
and
they
said
we
lost
a
million
trees.
F
F
You
know
adaptation,
planning
and
mitigation
planning
is
an
important
part
of
comprehensive
planning
and
thinking
about
how
you're
going
to
handle
situations
like
that
and
thinking
about
you
lose
a
million
trees.
That's
a
that's
a
big
deal,
that's
part
of
your
storm
water
system
or
are
your
trees
right
is
being
able
to
absorb
water,
and
then
you
don't
have
shade
it's
a
heat
island
effect.
F
A
And
also
to
have
the
funding
to
go
with
it
too
right,
I
think
you
know
the
20.
I
think
we
obligated
to
have
it's
nothing
nowadays,
yeah
we
have
a
lot
more
than
that
in
tarpon
springs.
As
you
know,
we
have
about
nine
million
dollars
for
that,
and
I'm
very
very
glad
that
we
do
other
cities
that
don't
have
that
and
look
in
this
picture
kind
of
scares
me.
It's.
F
A
F
A
F
Anybody
should
be
communities
have
their
local
mitigation
strategy
and
they
have
post
post-disaster
redevelopment
plans,
and
so
those
are
you
build
those
things
into
your
comprehensive.
A
A
F
A
F
Sure
yeah
so
yeah
and
I've
I
you
know,
I
call
my
first
real
planning
job
back
then
I
worked
for
for
what
was
the
department
of
community
affairs,
so
that
was
my
first
job
at
a
graduate
school
and
that
summer
was
the
summer
of
2004
when
we
had
all
the
storms
at
one
time
and
we
were
adjacent
to
emergency
management,
so
just
bear
with
me
for
a
second,
I
tell
you
a
little
story,
so
we
had
so.
F
The
agreement
between
the
two
agencies
was
that
when
you
activate
your
emergency
management,
dca's
employees
me
including
had
to
answer
the
emergency
phone
lines
every
other
day
for
eight
hours
a
day
and
when
charlie
came
through,
we
had
the
emergence
of
the
1-800
number
set
up
and
we
sat
in
there
for
three
days
and
it
was
no
crickets.
No
one
had
any
fun.
No
one
could
no
one
had
any
communications
until
emergency
emergency
management
satellite
trucks
get
down
there.
There
was
nothing
they
had
like
ham,
radios
and
stuff.
C
F
A
So,
and
I
think
we
should
work
with
the
communication
companies
to
have
portable
transmitters,
you
know
fiber
optics
not
go
bad,
it's
only
as
a
matter
of
terminal,
but
the
transmitter
is
very,
very
important
to
have.
They
can
be
on
a
trailer
or
something
like
that.
Right.
F
C
A
F
You,
okay,
okay,
so
talking
again
about
affordable
and
workforce
housing,
and
when
I
was
the
planning
director
in
bradenton,
we
did
a
number
of
affordable
housing
projects.
One
is
the
one
on
the
left
that
actually
turned
out
beautifully.
It
was
in
a
downtown,
more
dense
context,
but
then
we
also
had
a
little
cottage
court,
affordable
project.
That
was
done
too.
It
wasn't
subsidized,
they
bought
surplus
property
from
the
city
and
we
did
waive
their
impact
fees,
but
they
didn't
get
anything
else.
F
They
didn't
have
a
low
income
housing
tax
credit
like
the
other
project,
did
now.
That
picture
is
not
of
it
because
it
was
still
under
constru
still
under
construction.
Actually,
the
developer
emailed
me
today
and
said
that
they
had
pre-sold
all
of
them
and
they're
still
under
construction,
but
the
form
is
like
that.
So
it's
like
seven
little
cottages
facing
green
with
flowers
and
stuff
that
is
higher
density
for
a
lot
of
places.
It's
like
15
units,
an
acre.
F
So
you
can
have
kind
of
a
scary
number
in
your
head,
but
have
little
single
family
houses
like
like
this
and
the
developer
that
I
was
talking
about
the
cottage
court,
all
of
his
all
the
folks
that
have
bought
from
him
so
far,
work
for
the
school
board,
they're,
either
teachers
or
or
school
board
staff
and
so
he's
fit
that
affordable
demographic,
which
is
the
80
to
120
percent
of
area.
Meeting
income.
C
D
A
Apartments
there,
the
the
picture
on
the
left-
that's
apartments
there
right.
Yes,.
F
F
F
A
F
F
C
F
F
Other
taller
buildings
right
that
makes
sense
for
that
context.
If
you
stick,
you
know
an
80.
You
know
story
building
next
to
a
single
family
house.
That
might
be
an
issue,
but
there's
there's
density
and
context
and
building
types
are
two
different
things,
and
sometimes
the
numbers
on
paper
will
scare
you.
But
if
you're,
if
you're,
comparing
a
3
000
square
foot
house
to
a
600
square
foot
house,
that's
still
the
same
density,
but
clearly
not
the
same.
You
know
what
I'm
saying
there
they're
two
different
animals
yeah,
but
how
many
600
square
foot
houses?
F
Could
you
fit
on
the
same
lot
as
that
3
000
square
foot,
house
and
you're,
saying
that
you
can
only
have
you
know
one
3,
000
square
foot
house
and
not
multiple
600
square
foot
houses,
because
that's
how
density?
That's?
How
you
can
that's
how
density
can
mess
things
up
for
you,
so
understanding
the
overall
math
that
goes
in
your
comp
plan
for
density
and
then
what
it
looks
like
on
the
ground
at
your
zoning
level.
Those
are
things
to
think
about.
I'm
not
saying
one
of
these
is
better
than
the
other.
C
A
C
F
A
F
It's
that's
thinking
about
scale.
That's
important
is
kind
of
the
point.
I'm
I'm
getting
at
okay,
okay,
again
back
to
just
the
15-minute
city
again-
and
this
goes
back
to
your
school
point:
can
you
meet
all
of
your
daily
needs
in
15
minutes,
and
that
includes
going
to
school.
The
grocery
store
the
doctor.
Wherever
can
you
do
that
without
having
to
drive
45
minutes?
F
That's
the
point
of
that
policy
and
again
talking
about
context
sensitive
infill,
again,
missing.
Middle
housing
is
a
big
topic.
Today,
a
duplex
over
a
single
family
house
will
scare
some
people
absolutely
to
death,
but
it
doesn't
have
to
be
scary
if
you
have
the
right
incentives
in
place
for
design
and
make
something
appropriate,
there
is
absolutely
I
wish
I
had
included
the
picture.
There
is
an
absolutely
beautiful,
duplex
three
blocks
for
me
and
I
just
oh
my
gosh.
They
did
such
a
wonderful
job
with
it.
F
You
would
never
know,
but
those
are
some
of
the
pictures
that
I'm
incorporating
the
the
nice
pictures
I
was
telling
about
earlier
in
the
presentation
I'm
going
to
give
tomorrow.
Those
are
some
of
the
ones
I'm
I'm
putting
in
nice
pictures
of
missing
middle
housing
in
there
that
I've
taken
over
the
years
and
that's
one
of
them-
it's
absolutely
gorgeous
so
there's
ways
to
do
those
things
that
are
appropriate.
F
So
we
did
get
the
survey
results
from
the
staff
yesterday,
so
I
was
rushing
to
cram
them
in
last
night
so
that
we
could
get
this
presentation
to
you
and
thank
you
for
your
patience
on
that.
These
are
some
of
the
topics
that
were
brought
up
in
the
survey,
so
economic
development
high
on
the
list-
equity,
working,
waterfronts,
walkability,
preservation,
sustainability
preservation
by
the
way
can
be
not
only
historic
preservation
but
also
the
preservation
of
you
know
ecologically
sensitive
lands.
F
So
things
like
that,
okay,
we're
getting
towards
the
end,
so
we've
got
several
engagement
opportunities
coming
up.
The
steering
committee
is
tomorrow
it's
six
o'clock.
Let's
see,
we've
got
the
community
center
workshop
on
saturday
oops,
I'm
sorry.
The
appointed
boards
is
tomorrow.
The
second
excuse
me
getting
tired.
The
steering
committee
is
on
the
third,
and
the
community
workshop
is
on
saturday
at
1.
and
when
we
wrap
that
up,
I'm
going
to
do
a
video
recording
and
we'll
make
that
available
to
everyone
and
have
a
survey
for
everybody.
After
that,
the.
A
Next
week
on
your
schedule,
can
you
add
a
another
session
with
the
new
board
that
are
coming
on
board
on
in
april.
C
D
D
It's
an
orientation-
and
I
want
to
say
these
things
because
I'll
come
keep
saying
these
things,
so
we
don't
forget
them.
Renee's
heard
me,
sam
before,
but
sustainability
somewhere,
it's
either
going
to
be
across
the
board
integrated
into
each
of
the
elements
or
there's
going
to
be
a
standard
alone
element
with
cross-referencing
to
the
individual
elements.
So
we
at
some
point
we
need
to
make
a
decision
on
that
the
economic
development
element.
I
I
think
you're
you're
saying
that
that
may
be
the
direction
we
should
go.
D
I
also
feel
that
we
need
an
implementation
element
because
of
the
comp
plan,
the
strategic
plan,
the
sustainability
action
plan.
The
plans
are
great,
but
unless
they're
properly
implemented,
they're
not
going
to
work
something's
going
to
get
forgotten
and
people
are
going
to
think
that
they're,
untenable,
they're
unmanageable.
Therefore
we're
just
going
to
ignore
them
and
do
something
else,
so
I
feel
strongly
and
some
towns
do
have
an
implementation
element.
So
this
would
not
be
a
new
type
of
element
for
our
comp
plan,
but
I
think
an
implementation
element
is
important.
D
Okay,
the
other
thing
is
a
thesaurus
or
some
kind
of
a
an
appendix
with
definitions
that
I
know
we're
going
to
write
it
in
plain
english,
but
sometimes
the
sustainability
action
plan
and
and
the
strategic
plan
aren't
in
plain
english
they're
going
to
use
terms
and
and
ms
crist.
I
brought
that
up
to
her
that
we
need
to
kind
of
be
consistent
in
the
terminology
that
we
use
across
the
board,
or
at
least
the
extent
we
can't,
and
if
we
can't,
then
let's
have
a
some
somewhere.
We
can
go
and
see.
D
Well,
the
working
waterfront
but
the
river
itself,
not
the
waterfront,
but
the
the
economic
development
importance
and
what
that
means
to
the
city
of
tarpon
springs.
We've
been
struggling
for
several
years
now
to
get
it
dredged
and
we've
done
some
economic
impact
studies
on
it
that
we've
had
to
provide
the
army
corps
of
engineers.
So
the
data
is
available.
It's
a
it's
probably
about
four
years
old
by
now,
but
somewhere
the
ankle
river
needs
to
be
worked
into
the
comprehensive
plan.
D
F
D
A
Maybe
okay
yeah
miss
harley.
I
want
to
thank
you
for
the
presentation
to
me.
It
was
very
informative
and
questions
that
I
have
is
the
comprehensive
plan.
Our
plan
is
kind
of
designed
for
10
years.
A
F
The
minimum
in
that
you
have
to
by
the
statute
you
have
to
have
a
five
year
and
a
ten
year
planning
period
at
a
minimum.
There's
no
reason
why
we
can't
go
beyond
that,
and
a
20-year
plan
is
quite
normal,
so
2045
it
is.
A
Years
ago
we
used
to
have
the
ear,
which
was
an
update
of
the
comprehensive
plan
you
were
involved
with
it.
Miss
vincent
worked
very
hard
with
us
to
guide
us
to
go
through
that
exercise,
which
was
very,
very
intensive
and-
and
that
was
the
way
that
we
can
actually
update
the
comprehensive
plan.
Since
then,
the
year
is
not
required,
but
we're
doing
some
updates
on
that.
You
know,
but
not
as
intense
as
it
used
to
be
with
the
ear.
F
A
F
A
F
However,
back
then,
when
you
did
your
last
year,
it
was
a
huge
report.
You
do
this
incredible
outreach.
It
costs
hundreds
of
thousands
of
dollars
to
do
it's.
An
issue
based
plan
update
that
you
had
to
do
every
seven
years
now.
F
Have
to
you
still
have
to
do
it,
but
today,
instead
of
a
report,
that's
800
pages,
literally
it's
a
letter.
Okay,
so
you
write
your
letter
to
the
state
dear
so,
and
so
here
are
the
things
that
we
have
to
address
in
our
next
plan,
update
that
were
changes
to
florida
statute
mail.
The
letter
that's
your
year
now,
so
I
what
we're
doing
is
an
ear
light
compared
to
what
it
used
to
be
so
you're
required
to
look
at
your
plan
every
seven
years.
Okay,
every
three
years
is
a
good
idea.
F
If
you're
looking
at
more
budget
like
if
you're
really
kind
of
digging
into
your
budget,
that's
not
a
bad
idea
either
and
giving
things
a
tune
up
things
change
with
florida
statute
every
year,
that's
fine!
But
when
you're
looking
at
big
amendments
to
your
plan,
you
have
to
look
at
all
the
data
that's
coming
out,
and
you
know
the
census
is
updated.
Every
10
years
we
haven't,
we
still
haven't
gotten
the
2020
census
data.
F
Yet
so,
when
you're
doing
data
analysis
on
populations
and
all
the
things
that
you're
required
to
look
at
when
you're
updating
a
plan,
you
have
to
be
cognizant
of
what's
available.
So
looking
at
the
american
community
survey
stuff
that
comes
out
is
great,
but
it's
a
smaller
sample.
You
don't
get
a
big
of
a
picture,
and
so
it
depends
on
if
you're
tweaking
things
for
for
local
policy
and
for
budget
purposes
or
if
you're
thinking.
Oh,
we
got
all
this
great
data
that
came
from
the
federal
government.
Now,
let's
do
a
huge.
F
A
Do
you
think
it
should
be
included
into
the
complaint
say
that
every
three
years
the
the
complaint
should
be
reviewed
and
updated,
and
because
also
you
have
the
mandates
that
come
from
the
state
that
it
should
be
updated
as
well.
And
this
is
a
very,
very
good
exercise,
not
only
for
the
commission
but
for
the
public
as
well.
F
Follow
it
that's
right,
and
you
should
but
then
again
we're
getting
back
to
writing
in
plain
language,
something
that's
implementable,
and
so
those
things
are
really
really
important.
If
you
put
stuff
in
your
plan
that
is
never
going
to
happen,
then
you
went
through
a
very
expensive
process
for
nothing.
It's.
B
Yeah,
thank
you
for
the
presentation.
I
just
wanted
to
know
when
the
next
time
that
the
actual
boc
will
see.
I
know
you
got
these
events
coming
up
for
the
next
few
days.
I
imagine
you
guys
will
go
back
to
the
drawing
board
and
you
know
come
up
with
some.
Some
new
information
for
us
is
that
going
to
be
with
the
new
board.
Is
that
going
to
be
with
the
current
board
how's
that
going
to
work.
F
E
It's
probably
going
to
be
new
board,
I
mean
between
getting
through
this
first
round
and
digesting
everything.
I
don't
see
us
getting
back
in
front
of
you
with
anything
meaningful
before
the
election.
F
You
yeah
the
schedule
that
y'all
approved
a
few
months
ago.
We
left
kind
of
a
timing
envelope
in
there,
knowing
that
we
had
to
be
flexible
around
the
election
and
being
able
to
analyze.
You
know
whatever
we're
bringing
in,
but
it
was
april
ish
that
we
had
in
the
schedule
that
you
all
approved,
and
I
think
it
was
november
that
we
would
have
the
next
round
of
engagement.
A
We
close
this
meeting
and
go
to
the
staff
commons
I
like
to
compliment
our
plane
in
the
zoning
department,
ms
vinson
and
all
your
staff
to
say
thank
you
to
them
on
our
behalf.
A
Thank
you
and
now
we're
going
to
go
to
staff
comments,
miss
vincey,
anything
that
you'd
like
to
to
add.
Now,
mr
liquids,
well,
yeah,
nothing,
nothing
miss
vince,
ms
jacobs.
I
have.
D
No,
the
only
thing
I
was
going
to
mention
the
suncoast
news
had
an
announcement
of
the
the
community
this
workshop
for
residents
tomorrow
at
I
think
it
was
one
o'clock
three
o'clock
or
something
like
that.
But
it's
wrong.
The
one
for
residents
is
this
saturday
renee
go
ahead,
correct.
E
So
the
the
workshop
for
saturday-
and
actually
I
don't
know
if
you
can
split
back
on-
we-
can
we'll
get
it
up
on
the
screen
for
people,
so
the
community
workshop
will
be
at
our
the
rec
center.
The
tarpon
springs
community
center
on
february
saturday,
february
5th,
beginning
at
1
o'clock
p.m.
So
that'll
be
here
locally.
The
other
two
workshops
are
for
the
steering
committee
and
the
appointed
boards
and
those
will
be
at
st
pete
college.
So
hopefully
people
will
come
out
for
the
community
workshop
hope
to
see
everybody.
There.