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B
B
Commissioner,
here
tonight's
invocation
will
be
given
by
our
city
attorney
mr
tom
trask.
Afterwards,
if
we
turn
and
please
stand
and
afterwards
we'll
turn
pledge
allegiance.
D
B
B
Also,
we
had
two
requests
for
to
be
excused
from
meetings
one
from
commissioner
carr,
which
was
at
a
work
session
on
may
3rd.
We
couldn't
vote
at
that
work
session.
So
I'd
like
to
have
a
motion
to
excuse,
commissioner
carr
from
that
meeting
motion
to
excuse.
C
B
The
second
one
is
from
vice
mayor
lon,
who
would
like
to
be
excused
from
the
work
session
on
may
21st
he'll
be
traveling
that
day.
If
I
could
get
a
motion
and
a
second
to
that
motion.
A
Motion
to
excuse,
commissioner,
second.
B
C
B
Okay,
we're
going
to
go
to
special
presentations
this
evening,
city
manager,
yeah.
F
I'll
have
I'll
have
tom
function.
Introduce
one
of
our
hard
working.
Employees
is
going
to
do
it
tom.
Would
you
introduce
mike
sure,
yeah
good
evening,
tom
functional.
G
Public
works
director,
mr
mike
switzer.
Here
is
the
assistant
tony
for
the
last
two
years
on
his
poster
contest
and
he's
going
to
take
it
and
run
with
it.
Thank
you
very
much
everybody
good
evening.
Congratulations
to
all
new!
My
name
is
michael
switz.
I
work
with
the
storm
water
division.
Public
works
city
of
tarpon
springs.
G
I
am
standing
in
for
tony
manila
tonight,
who
is
at
a
hurricane
conference
this
year,
sunset
hills,
school
elementary
school
participated
in
our
in
our
poster
contest.
My
tarpon
springs:
clean
water,
storm,
water
pollution
prevention.
Each
year
moving
forward.
We
will
ask
fourth
and
fifth
grade.
Students
from
each
elementary
school
in
tarpon
springs
to
show
their
creativity
and
talents
in
a
poster
contest
concerning
pollution
prevention,
clean
water
benefits,
animal
and
vegetation,
habitat
impacts
of
stormwater
runoff
to
our
local
beaches,
rivers,
bayous
ponds
and
streams.
G
C
G
B
Before
you
go,
I've
always
wondered
how
long
it
takes
to
do
these
posters,
because
you
made
a
lot
of
money
tonight
and
it
may
be
a
career
for
you
if
you're
doing
quick
enough.
So,
unfortunately,
we
only
do
these
once
a
year,
so
kenzie.
How
long
did
it
take
you
to
do
yours
three
days,
my
goodness?
Well,
you
better
stay
in
school,
then
lily
how
long
six
hours?
Well,
that's
better!
Okay,
you
might
have
a
future
in
this
and
deena.
B
A
couple
of
weekends,
too:
okay,
well,
it
might
be
best
for
all
of
you
all
to
study,
hard
and
and
and
just
get
yourself
a
good
profession,
and
this
is
great
and
terrific
and-
and
you
know
for
you
to
win
these
awards,
it
means
that
you've
got
something
in
your
heart
for
this
effort
for
the
the
award
that
was
advertised
and
I
that
gets
you
started
on
what
you
need
to
do
and
reaching
your
dreams.
B
So
congratulations,
all
of
you
and
I
think,
we're
going
to
take
more
photographs
out
in
the
the
parents
out
in
the
lobby.
Is
that
correct?
Okay,
all
right!
Congratulations!
Everybody!
Thank
you!.
H
B
I'm
also
going
to
do
a
very
quick
presentation,
something
that
we
missed
last
week
because
we
didn't
have
a
commission
meeting
last
week
last
week
was
municipal
clerks
week
nationally,
and
we
have
a
proclamation
here
for
our
two
city
clerks
I'd
like
to
read
that
and
ask
them
to
come
forward.
Please.
B
C
I
just
would
like
to
thank
the
mayor
and
board
of
commissioners
for
this
proclamation
and
for
your
continued
support.
Always-
and
you
know,
as
you
all
are
aware,
the
clerk's
office
wears
many
hats
so
with
that
being
said,
I'd
like
to
especially
thank
my
deputy
city
clerk,
michelle
minusis,
and
I
feel
I
have
a
great
team
of
staff,
and
I
also
like
to
thank
them
for
everything
they
do.
Thank
you.
B
I
I
also
want
to
say
that
these
two
ladies
didn't
learn
what
they
do
by
making
posters
for
city
commission
awards
they're
very
good
at
what
they
did
and
do
they
work
very
hard
throughout
the
years
they
were
in
the
clerk's
office
when
I
was
city
manager
25
years
ago,
and
I'm
so
proud
that
they
work
their
way
up
to
the
ranks
and
they
provide
everything
that
we
need
the
city
clerk's
office.
The
best
way
I
can
describe
it
is
the
switzerland
of
tarpon
springs.
B
All
your
complaints,
your
objections,
your
your
gossip
outside
and
you
go
in
there
and
get
what
you
need
to
get
done
actually
just
to
recalibrate
your
thinking
a
little
bit
and
for
that
I've
always
thanked
them,
even
the
city
manager,
with
the
other
clerks
that
were
here
at
that
time.
I
would
leave
my
office
up
there
and
go
down
there
for
half
an
hour
so
just
to
refresh
myself
and
go
back
up
to
the
challenges
of
the
day-to-day
operations
of
the
city,
so
I
want
to
thank
them
both
irene
and
michelle.
Thank
you.
B
Okay,
we're
going
to
go
to
public
comments,
including
anybody
that
like
to
say
anything
about
our
our
children
that
won
the
awards
and
the
public
award
or
recognition
of
the
city
clerk's
office.
B
Tonight
we're
going
to
be
using
the
amended
rules,
as
described
and
being
proposed
in
agenda
item
16
for
the
public
comments
that
are
not
on
the
agenda.
B
The
public
will
have
four
minutes
and
if
you
need
more
time
than
that,
you've
got
a
card
out
on
the
desk
in
the
front
in
the
lobby
that
provides
telephone
numbers
for
every
department
head
and
also
the
business
cards
of
the
city.
Commissioners,
and
please
follow
up
with
your
comments
with
any
of
them.
B
Also
during
the
agenda
items
you'll
be
given
four
minutes
plus.
If
you
need
an
additional
two
minutes,
those
two
will
come
from
someone
present
at
the
meeting
that
will
offer
their
time
to
you
and
in
exchange,
will
waive
their
right
to
speak
on
that
particular
item.
Only
they'll
still
be
able
to
speak
on
any
of
the
other
items
if
they
wish.
B
If,
for
whatever
reason
you
can't
make
it
at
the
committee
at
the
commission
meeting
and
don't
want
to
participate
via
zoom
or
by
telephone,
you
can
send
us
an
email.
All
of
those
procedures
are
laid
out
in
the
in
the
agenda,
which
is
on
our
city
website.
So
I'd
like
to
go
for
public
comments
of
anybody.
That's
here
this
evening
present.
I
I
I
Give
thanks
to
him
and
praise
his
name
for
the
lord
is
good
and
his
love
endures
forever.
His
faithfulness
continues
through
all
generations,
and
I
just
want
to
point
to
the
part
where
it
says
the
sheep
of
his
pasture
this
past
week.
A
lot
of
the
liturgy
was
about
how
two
shepherds
brought
their
flocks
together
at
night,
but
how
did
they
separate
them
recognize
the
voice
of
their
master,
their
shepherd?
I
You
now
are
the
shepherds
of
tarpon
springs
and
your
people
will
hear
your
voice.
As
you
call
and
I
have
to
say,
I
think
you
have
recognized
that
by
what
you're
doing
tonight,
you
have
heard
the
people
say
they
want
to
have
a
part
and
what
goes
on
not
the
people
who
know
somebody
or
the
people
who
have
special
interests,
who
can
campaign
contributions
or
things
of
that
nature.
I
B
B
B
Mr
trump,
ms
jacobs,
do
we
have
any
emails.
A
B
Okay,
all
right!
Well,
let
me
just
pull
those
off
two
three
and
five
okay,
I'd
like
to
have
a
motion
actually,
are
there
any
public
comments
on
number
one
or
four.
J
Can
I
ask
for
a
clarification
for
it
real,
quick
when
we
go
to
emails
and
comments
online?
Is
it
for
each
item
or
is
it
just
for
public
comment.
B
B
Thank
you.
Are
there
any
commission
comments
on
one
or
four.
B
C
B
Yes,
okay,
let's
back
up
to
number
two
increase
file
number
one:
nine:
zero,
zero;
two
five
dash
c
dash
cm
hydraulic
repair,
parts
and
services.
Are
there
any
public
comments
of
anyone
here
this
evening.
B
Mr
jump,
are
there
any
comments
on
zoom
or
telephonically
on
item
number?
Two.
B
Okay,
I
may
have
a
motion
on
number
two.
Please
notion.
B
Okay,
commissioner
comments,
mr
eisner,
commissioner
eisner.
B
Just
the
the
way
our
rules
of
procedure-
and
mr
trasky
can
weigh
in
on
this-
is
that,
if
there's
additional
information
that
a
city
commissioner
has
and
provides
it
to,
the
city
manager
would
be
up
to
him
to
to
just
to
to
basically
distribute
that
to
the
other
commissioners.
B
As
far
as
questions
I,
I
think
that
would
be
up
to
him
as
well
as
far
as
how
to
approach
that-
and
I
don't
have
an
answer
for
you
myself,
but
maybe
city
manager,
of
course,
can
yeah.
F
It
would
be
impossible
with
all
the
questions
that
are
asked
to
do
everyone.
What
I
said
the
last
time
was,
I
look
if
there's
some
several
commissioners
asked
for
if
there's
some
that's
got
new
information,
but
it
would
be
adding
to
agenda
sending
out
way
too
much,
but
I
I
scream
if
there's
ones
that,
but
just
simple
questions
and
answers
and
stuff,
I
don't.
F
B
Commissioner,
I
guess
the
question
is:
do
you
feel
that
when
you
ask
a
question,
you
get
an
answer?
That
answer
should
be
conveyed
to
the
the
rest
of
the
commission
as
well.
I.
B
F
It
would
be
the
will
of
the
board.
Obviously
the
way
I've
done
things.
If
the
will
of
this
board
changes,
this
board
collectively
directs
me
so
then,
then
I
would
do
it
so.
B
Okay,
generally
yeah.
L
B
B
I
get
my
answers
and
then
I
I
also
leave
it
up
to
the
city
manager
as
far
as
whether
he
feels
it's
relevant
enough
to
to
distribute
to
the
rest
of
the
commission
and-
and
I'm
comfortable
with
that
generally,
if,
if
I
feel
it's
important
during
an
agenda
item
I'll
actually
bring
it
up
and
say
I
had
this
question,
and
this
was
the
answer
that
I
got
just
for
the
benefit
of
those
that
are
here
this
evening.
So.
B
Why
don't
we
at
this
particular
point,
go
back
and
see
manager?
Of
course,
if
you
can
have
further
discussions
on
this
with
commissioner
eisner
and
see
if
we
can
come
up
with
some
kind
of
a
middle
ground
on
this
thing
that
you're
happy
with
and
then
if
we
need
to
we'll,
go
ahead
and
update
the
rules
of
procedure
to
reflect
that
in
the
future.
But
it's
been
at
least
from
me
from
my
perspective.
B
I
I
wouldn't
want
to
do
something
on
the
spur
of
the
moment
and
then
find
out
later
that
we
should
have
modified
it
in
a
different
way.
So
if
that's
okay
with
you,
commissioner
eisner,
it
is
proceed
that
way.
A
The
reason
I'm
saying
this
is
we
have
five
intelligent
people
here
that
ask
questions
and
we
should
be
able
to
get
the
information
that
other
commissioners
are
asking
and
we
don't
have
that.
We
also
have
the
sunshine
law,
so
we
can't
really
confer
with
each
other.
So
this
is
a
good
opportunity
to
to
to
make
sure
that
we're
doing
the
right
thing.
That's
where
I'm
and
and
it's
it's
good
optics
as
well.
So.
B
M
I'm
actually
trying
to
form
a
system
with
city
staff
where
I
can
try
to
get
questions
sent
to
them
by
sunday
afternoon,
if
not
monday
morning,
and
get
those
answers
back
within
a
day
or
so
and
and
I
actually
printed
out
five
copies
of
the
questions.
I
did
ask
on
the
items
on
the
book
on
in
front
to
bring
it
in
case.
Someone
wanted
to
look
on
why
I
may,
or
haven't,
may
have
or
haven't
asked
any
questions
on
a
certain
item.
M
Just
so
you're
able
to
see
it
and
maybe
if
we
individually
printed
out
our
answers
and
brought
them
the
day
of
just
a
habit
for
just
for
us
to
look
at
that
may
help.
But
I
think
it's
going
to
be
difficult
for
the
city
manager
to
be
able
to
package
all
those
answers
from
different
items
and
send
them
to
judy
to
revise
the
packets
and
get
them
all
updated.
So
just
a
suggestion-
and
I
do
have
copies-
to
distribute
the
questions
I
did
ask.
B
F
And
again
I
can
talk
to
everybody.
The
written
ones
are
easy.
The
ones
will
recall
and
explain
to
explain
to
the
commissioner.
That's
look.
That's
going
to
be
a
little
hard
to
capture,
but
obviously
in
the
written
one
of
the
written
answers
would
be
very
easy
to
send
to
all
you.
You
just
might
be
hectic
of
of
12
13
times,
probably
with
yesterday
and
today
doing
this.
So
so
I'll
get
with
everybody
and
see
what
they
feel
and
see.
B
Well,
I
mean
you
may
don't
be
shy
about
setting
a
deadline
at
five
o'clock
monday
and
then
have
something
out
to
us
on
tuesday
morning.
Basically
of
all
the
questions
and
answers
I'll
just
get
with
all
these,
rather
than
peacemakers.
F
B
J
I'll
make
a
quick
comment,
I'm
good
with
not
getting
the
questions
like
we
get
a
lot
of
emails
already
and
I'm
the
amount
of
emails
I
send
to
the
city
manager
will
probably,
I
would
say,
annoy
some
of
you
with
the
amount
of
questions
I
have
so
they
might
be
rapid
fire
they're,
not
pretty
they're,
not
in
like
a
one,
big
email.
So
it's
it's
as
I'm
going
through
them,
basically
at
11
o'clock
at
night
over
the
weekend,
so
it
it
could
get
cumbersome.
J
It
could
be
a
lot
of
different
emails
that
shoot
and
get
a
little
messy.
So
I'm
I'm
not
for
that.
Necessarily
I'm
for
you
asking
questions.
So
just
maybe
a
suggestion.
There
are
things
that
the
public
doesn't
necessarily
need
to
know
the
answer
that
you
asked
the
question
and
we
appreciate
you
doing
the
research,
but
then
there
might
be
something
for
identification.
J
A
Cool
can
I
answer
that
what
I
would
recommend
is
you
can
put
in
to
the
city
manager
whether
you'd
want
this
to
be
passed
on
to
everyone
and
and
and
whether
you
don't
want
it
to
be
passed
on.
Of
course,
there's
I'm
sure
you
do
send
out
a
lot
of
emails.
I've
read
quite
a
few,
but
the
bottom
line
is.
I
think
that
some
of
the
questions
make
the
other
commissioners.
A
It
opens
the
eyes
of
the
other
commissioners
of
what
we're
asking
and
why-
and
I
think
that
would
also
give
a
just
a
better
optics
and
that's
what
I'm
looking
for
a
little
bit
better
transparency,
because
otherwise
we're
all
asking
questions
we're
sitting
up
here.
We
might
as
well
just
either
approve
or
deny
each
and
every
agenda
item,
and
why
are
they
here
to
listen
they're
here
to
listen
to
us?
A
B
D
Issue
is
in
your
rules
of
procedure.
It
needs
to
be
your
rules
of
procedure
which
we're
talking
about
tonight
specifically
answers
this
question,
and
so
what
we
need
to
be
doing
is
revising
that
resolution.
If
you
want
to
address
that,
the
last
sentence
in
paragraph
three
under
request
for
information,
says
information
requested
by
any
individual
commissioner
of
any
charter
officer
shall
be
submitted
to
that,
commissioner.
Only
but
such
officer
may,
in
his
or
her
discretion,
provide
copies
thereof
to
the
remainder
of
the
board
of
commissioners.
D
So,
if
we're
going
to
address
that,
this
is
the
time
to
address
it.
When
we
talk
about
the
rules
later
on
tonight,
because
that's
what
your
rules
provide
right
now,
it's
doing
what
the
city
manager
is
currently
doing,
and
that
is,
is
providing.
It
only
answers
to
the
commissioner
unless
he
believes
that
it's
necessary
to
give
to
the
rest
of
the
commissioners.
So
we
need
to
revise
that.
If
that's
the
direction
you
want
to
go,
but.
B
B
But
what
what
I'm
looking
at
is
not
turning
this
into
an
automatic
leave
that
permission
in
there
and
let
the
city
manager
have
some
discretion
and
work
it
out
with
the
individual
commissioners.
I
think,
if
it's
not
up
to
that
commissioner
satisfaction,
this
group
that
we've
got
up
here
right
now
is
going
to
make
sure
and
let
him
know-
and
so
I
think
that
we'll
eventually
get
to
that
point
where
everybody's
happy,
if
that's
acceptable
to
everyone,
okay,
okay,
all
right!
No
other
call.
No
other
comments
on
number
two
roll
call.
Please.
M
B
B
Yes,
okay
did
we
do
number
three
by
the
way,
no.
D
B
Okay,
authorized
execution
of
interlocal
agreements
with
mud,
cooperative
funding,
grant
for
comprehensive
plans,
surface
water
resource
assessment,
update.
B
I
should
ask
you
seeing
andrew,
of
course
whether
you've
got
any
comments
on
this
before
we
go
to
public
comment.
No,
okay!
Are
there
any
other
comments
on
that
here?.
I
Here
to
lex
514,
ashland
avenue
briefly
on
all
this
sharing
your
questions
and
mr
tras
will
probably
advise
you
later
on
it.
If
you're
asking
questions,
that's
fine,
but
you
have
to
make
sure
you're
not
putting
comments
or
opinions
on
how
you're
voting,
which
would
influence
another
commissioner
if
they
would
see
it
because
that's
the
breaking
of
the
sunshine
law
so
just
want
to
bring
that
point
up.
I
Now
to
the
item
at
hand,
you
have
that
little
picture
in
your
in
your
backup
where
it
shows
the
clearwater
harbor
saint
joseph
sound,
also
on
the
back
of
that
page.
If
you
look
at
the
expenditures,
this
is
a
project
half
funded
by
swift
mud,
they're,
putting
up
200
000
in
the
county
and
the
rest
of
us.
I
If
you
look
at
it
we're
the
third
most
municipality,
putting
the
most
money
in
only
behind
the
county
is
number
one,
so
that
would
indicate
by
our
share
of
money
that
we
have
a
big
portion
of
the
coastline
in
this
watershed
that
is
being
monitored
for
what
they
call
bmp
with
regards
to
nutrients
and
outflow
being
that
this
is
a
swift
mud
project
and
led
by
the
county.
I
I
This
is
where
a
lot
of
our
pollution
that
we're
going
to
be
responsible
for
paying
for,
in
a
sense
as
to
doing
these
studies
and
then
at
some
point
there
would
be
some
kind
of
remediation
model
that
we'd
have
to
probably
be
involved
with
with
swift
mud
funding.
So
my
question
again
would
be
this
path
and
if
not,
why
not?
Because
a
lot
of
the
pollution
that's
coming
down
the
river?
I
know
we
put
our
share
in
from
the
boat
yards
and
such
of
that
nature,
but
nothing
compares
what
comes
to
us
from
pasco.
H
H
H
A
N
A
A
So
eventually,
mr
function
sent
me
a
breakdown
of
the
budget
that
wasn't
in
the
backup
material,
and
it
shows
that
we
have
11
of
the
area
and
that's
how
we're
paying
this
this
funds.
So
if
I
didn't
have
this-
and
you
don't
have
this
information,
are
we
charged
fair
or
which
are
overcharged?
A
So
this
is
my
point
that
I'm
trying
to
make
that
maybe
we
do
have
to
change
these
questions
and
answers,
because
I'm
satisfied
now,
but
is
everybody
up
here
realized
or
did
the
residents
realize
people
could
walk
away
from
here?
Saying
wow?
Why
did
we
pay
22
000?
For
that?
I
know
why
do
they
yeah?
That's
that's
what
I
wanted
to
share
of
why?
A
If,
if
we
don't
open
up
these
questions
to
the
people
and
to
the
people
on
the
board,
we're
just
going
to
go
back
to
I'm
going
to
go
back
to
asking
the
questions
up
here
and
not
be
asking
the
you
know
the
city
manager.
So
that
was
my
point
to
you.
B
C
Yes,
yeah.
Actually,
what
was
neglected
in
the
backup
was
a
link
and
or
an
inclusion
that
that
actually
gave
you
what
the
primes
directive
was,
where
it
literally
went
and
broke
down
by
percentage.
Why?
Who
was
paying
for
what
exactly?
I
was
aware
of
that
because
I
went
to
the
prime
site,
but
it
should
have
been
included
in
the
back
up.
So
you
don't
thank
you.
Are
there.
J
Thank
you
just
real
quick,
so
I
had
my
first
meeting
on
the
tampa
bay
regional
planning
council.
Yesterday.
That's
the
board.
You
guys
have
pointed
me
to
so
there's
what
five
counties
and
20
plus
city
members
on
this
board-
and
this
actually
came
up
in
the
conversation
yesterday
because
of
the
health
of
the
bay
back
in
the
70s,
how
it
was
basically
dead,
and
then
it
came
up.
So
what
about
the
studies
of
all
the
other
areas
that
feed
into
the
bay?
J
J
I
wanted
tom
to
share
this
a
little
bit
more,
so
this
failed
water
quality
for
three
years
and
that's
why
this
has
to
be
done
and
then
is
there
some
type
of
plan
to
fix
the
water
quality
and
then
there's
discussions
about
baffle
boxes
for
storm
water
too.
That
I
just
want
to
bring
up
for
further
discussion
amongst,
at
a
later
time,.
F
G
O
F
19
west
and
then
from
baltimore's
boulevard
south.
That
section.
B
Commission
no
comments.
Okay.
I
think
this
is
our
second
real
regular
session
and
I
think
we're
still
on
the
learning
curve,
and
I
really
don't
want
to
overreact.
I
think
we're
going
to
have
to
iron
out
some
of
these
things.
I
think
it
was
a
discussion
of
whether
we
should
have
more
backup
fewer
questions
or
less
backup
with
more
questions
from
the
commission,
and
I
think
again,
going
back
to
item
number
two
that
we
discussed.
B
I
think
the
consensus
was,
or
at
least
the
inclination
was
to
get
with
the
city
manager
and
express
your
concerns,
and
and
let's
see
if
we
can
learn
something
from
this
this
evening
and
put
something
in
place
and
eventually
we'll
evolve
to
something
we're
very
comfortable
with.
If
we
don't,
then,
commissioner
eisner
agree
with
you.
B
B
Regional
planning
council
has
always
been
concerned
with
water
quality
of
tampa
bay
and
they've,
always
included
our
end
of
pinellas
county
as
part
of
tampa
bay,
as
well
with
nutrient
loading
from
fertilizers
and
things
that
was
from
25
years
ago,
and
we
used
to
monitor
it
and
I
don't
know
what's
going
on,
but
maybe
some
additional
information
could
be
put
together
by
our
public
works
director
and
put
that
on
the
on
the
city's
website
for
people
that
are
interested.
B
If
nothing
else,
roll
call.
Please.
B
A
Well,
my
comment
is:
I
was
at
one
of
these
meetings
and
my
only
input
I
would
like
to
share
is:
we
need
much
more
resident
participation
or
the
survey
that
we
have.
I
know
it's
an
extension,
but
the
survey
will
be
of
no
value
if
we
don't
have
more
participation,
there
weren't
many
people
there
and
pretty
much.
That's
it.
I'd
like
to
see
more
people,
you
can't
do
a
survey
and
have
very
few
people
it
just
it
just
will
not
work.
It'll
be
a
waste
of
money.
B
Okay,
are
there
any
other?
I'm
sorry
should
have
gone
to
public
comment.
First,
is
there
any
public
comments
on
this
item.
B
Miss
jacobs,
any
emails,
no
emails,
okay,
any
other
commissioners,
I'd
like
to
say
almost
okay,
you
know
my
only
comment
is
it's
something
that
I
felt
strongly
about
and,
and
I
and
I
had
issues
with
another
commissioner
before
I
was
even
on
office
at
five
years
ago.
With
you
know,
the
comment
is
we,
we
need
to
get
greater
resident
participation
and
the
comment
was
we
can't
even
get
anybody
to
come
to
commission
meetings.
B
Much
less
ask
their
opinion
and
in
my
comments
as
mayor
when
I
first
first
night
swearing
in
if
the
residents
are
here,
we
need
to
go
to
them.
It's
our
responsibility
to
know
what
the
residents
want,
not
for
their
responsibility,
to
tell
us
what,
and
if
we
don't
hear
from
them,
we
do
what
we
want.
That's
not
the
way
a
council
manager
form
of
government
works,
so
we
need
to
reach
out
a
little
bit.
B
I've
talked
to
some
of
the
people
that
this
this
this
effort
involves,
and
it's
still
a
work
in
progress,
there's
also
a
complimentary
effort
at
the
county,
and
it's
just
getting
out
there
and
the
the
information
is
out
there
and
we
do
need
to
provide
some
additional
insight
as
to
what
our
interests
are
in
this
effort.
But
that's
our
responsibility
to
do
that
and
I
think
again,
commissioner
eisner.
I
think
it's
something
that
the
same
manager
heard
that
tonight.
B
I
think
we
need
to
work
on
that
city
manager,
the
course
and
it's
our
responsibility
to
reach
out.
You
know
knock
on
doors
and
find
out
why
they're
not
coming
and
whether
they
have
an
interest
and
and
we've
got
to
figure
some
formula
out
again.
This
is
brand
new
for
this
commission
all
the
other
commissioners,
before
this
just
kind
of
sat
and
waited
for
people
to
show
up.
So
we
need
to
get
out
there
and
beat
the
bushes
and
and
hear
what
the
residents
got
to
say
if
they
don't
show
up
here.
J
B
Okay,
I
think
did
you
as
all
of
you
all
recognize.
You
know
everyone
pardon
me,
you
didn't
vote.
Oh
yes,
okay
and,
as
I
just
was
going
to
say,
everybody
makes
mistakes
and
we
kind
of
get
caught
up
in
kind
of
going
off
off
cycle
or
off
the
script
or
whatever
you
want
to
call
it
and
that's
why
we
all
need
to
kind
of
stay
focused
on
what
we
need
to
do
tonight
and
I'll
iron.
B
A
lot
of
these
things
that
we
bring
up
publicly
with
the
city
manager
and-
and
I
understand
our
frustrations-
that
we
want
to
get
running,
but
it's
gonna.
I
know
city
government,
it
doesn't
start,
it
doesn't
spin
up
that
quick.
When
you
put
your
gas
pedal
to
the
floor,
it
takes
a
while
for
it
to
get
cranked
up.
So
I
appreciate
everybody's
comments
during
that
consent
item
now.
Is
there
anything
else?
I
need
to
do?
No,
sir.
Okay,
now,
let's
move
on
to
the
special
consent
agenda.
C
Jennings
very
happy
to
I
just
wanted
to
say
I
was
very
excited
to
see
the
the
young
people
and
their
artwork
today.
You
know
it's
wonderful
that
we
are
recognizing.
You
know
that
creative
interest
in
in
children
and
our
public
art
committee
has
been
working
very
hard
over
the
last
year
and
we've
brought
some
beautiful
artwork
and
various
media
to
the
city,
and
so,
as
we
traditionally
do
every
year,
our
chair,
joan
jennings,
is
going
to
give
you
an
overview
of
our
accomplishments
and
plans
for
the
future.
E
Good
evening,
mr
mayor
commissioner,
city
staff
and
residents,
I'm
joan
jennings
chair
of
the
public
art
committee,
our
mary
band
consists
of
vice
chair,
lucian,
robinson,
graham
jones,
bill
mills,
david
sallow,
robert
stackhouse
and
debbie
hennessey.
I'd
also
like
to
thank
trish
gregory
and
city
staffer,
marissa
smudko
for
their
service
to
the
committee.
E
632
I've
listed
all
of
our
expenses.
E
E
Our
maintenance
for
the
sculptures
was
four
thousand
eight
hundred
and
thirty
one
dollars.
We've
allocated
135
thousand
dollars
for
our
black
heritage
project
and
the
illuminated
art
box
project
expansion
is
sixteen
thousand
seven
hundred
dollars,
so
our
total
proposed
expenditures
for
fiscal
year.
E
Twenty
twenty
three
is
a
hundred
and
fifty
six
thousand
five
hundred
and
thirty
one
dollars,
leaving
a
projected
balance
without
any
further
infusions
of
funds
of
thirty
eight
thousand
seven
hundred
and
seventy
two
dollars
I'd
just
like
to
emphasize
that
these
are
not
taxpayer
money,
but
rather
contributions
from
developments
that
are
in
excess
of
a
million
dollars.
E
We've
gotten
a
lot
of
recognition
for
the
illuminated
art
boxes
and
it's
unique
to
type
tarpon
springs
and
highlights
local
and
student
artists,
and
this
was
an
article
that
crete
was
expensive.
Article
that
appeared
in
creative
pinellas.
E
E
E
The
saint
petersburg
artist
mike
elwell,
approached
the
pack
with
the
offer
of
his
whimsical,
pelican
sculpture,
his
location
on
the
sponge.
Docks
close
to
the
mooring
of
the
two
georges
reflects
the
history
of
the
spot
as
fishermen
cleaning
their
catch
after
a
day
of
fishing
attracted
a
lot
of
pelicans.
E
A
second
called
artists
resulted
in
more
than
100
submissions
by
local
artists.
New
images
were
installed
on
existing
vinyl
panels
by
removing
the
decal
on
which
the
image
is
printed,
applying
a
new
decal
and
reinstalling
the
vinyl
panel
in
the
box.
Thank
you,
mr
function.
In
the
public
works
department,
we
purchased
additional
vinyl
panels
to
expedite
the
process.
E
This
was
not
done
originally
because
final
panels
were
in
short
supply
because
they
were
used
as
coveted
safety
barriers.
Our
local
girl
scout
troop
did
a
wonderful
job.
Painting
the
storm
water
drains
and
a
girl
scout
troop
is
giving
us
another.
A
different
girl
scout
troop
is
giving
us
a
proposal
at
the
june
pac
meeting.
E
E
We
created
a
explanatory
key
printed
on
aluminum
and
it's
installed
in
close
proximity
to
the
mural
in
the
extensively
restored
cultural
heritage.
Center
son
christopher
still
has
completed
his
extensively
researched
mural
in
the
newly
renovated
lobby
of
advent
health,
north
pinellas,
which
should
be
unveiled
when
the
hospital
renovations
are
complete.
E
The
first
phase
of
the
sisler
field-
baseball
mural,
was
well
received,
but
we
listened
to
the
residents
who
indicated
a
desire
for
a
mural
representing
softball,
which
is
also
played
on
the
field.
Monica
swartly,
the
original
artists
of
the
baseball
mural,
was
again
commissioned
to
create
a
softball
themed
mural
using
some
eye-catching
colors.
That's
the
one
on
the
left.
E
And
we
convene
a
blue
ribbon
selection
panel
consisting
of
tina
vicovales,
annie,
debs
rodrigo
davis,
nicolette
henderson,
milton
smith,
lynn,
whitelaw
and
teresa
wilkins.
These
individuals
bring
a
wide
spectrum
of
knowledge
to
the
project.
We
learn
the
more
more
we
look
more
in
the
loss
of
panelist
dudley
sally
who
unhappily
passed
away
in
july
of
2021.
E
E
In
late
april,
the
selection
panel
finalized
the
selection
of
local
saint
petersburg
artist,
stephen
oliver.
He
immediately
started
doing
extensive
research
to
get
first-hand
knowledge
and
significant
images
to
incorporate
into
the
pieces.
We
believe
that
this
project
will
go
a
long
way
in
highlighting
a
facet
of
tarpon
springs.
History
that
has
long
been
neglected,
as
these
designs
are
being
developed,
will
update
the
blc
on
their
progress.
E
This
crawl
was
used
by
19th
century
afro-bahamian,
sponge
hookers,
and
this
is
a
rough
draft
of
oliver's
concept
for
the
sponge
docks
to
be
located
near
the
city,
marina,
it's
an
arch
that
people
can
actually
walk
through
featuring
local
images
of
you
know
the
tarpon
sponge,
hooking
and
sponging
industry.
E
That
basically
concludes
the
presentation,
and
I'd
also
like
to
make
a
sad
personal
note.
I
just
learned
of
the
death
of
bruce
miller
a
long-time
docent
and
marvelous
shakespearean
actor.
May
his
memory
be
eternal?
Thank
you.
B
Thank
you,
ms
jennings.
This
words
anything
else.
Okay,
let's
go
to
public
comments.
Is
there
anyone
here
that
would
like
to
make
a
public
comment.
C
C
B
All
right
on
this
particular
item
with
the
presentations,
because
they're
shown
here
as
a
special
consent.
We
have
to
have
a
motion
to
accept
the
report
in
order
for
them
to
have
that
privilege
of
being
in
this
part
of
the
agenda.
So
I'd
like
to
have
a
motion
to
accept
the
public
art
annual
report
permission.
B
Okay,
any
commission
comments.
Yes,
commissioner,
carr.
J
Thank
you,
miss
jennings.
Thank
you
for
your
presentation.
I
appreciate
everything
you
all
are
doing
as
a
board.
Thank
you
for
being
a
chair
and
vice
chair
city
manager.
I
saw
on
the
ending
balance
of
fiscal
year
2023
of
38
000
and
I
believe,
the
last
year
we
asked
that
the
board
be
updated
for
any
contributions
coming
in.
J
I
believe,
there's
a
gosh
can't
remember
it's
dan's
car
wash
on
19,
I
think,
is
paying
into
it
and
we
have
another
car
wash
ironically
tonight
that
looks
like
they're,
making
a
choice
to
pay
into
it
as
well
too.
So
I
think
it'd
be
beneficial
to
let
the
board
know
not
the
boc
necessarily,
but
the
art
board
know
so
they
could
start
planning,
because
obviously
it
was
a
black
heritage.
How
long
have
you
been
planning
that
it's
been
like
a
year.
J
Yeah
so
so
they're
not
halted
until
we
get
the
money
in
there
and
they
can
start
planning
some
of
these
other
projects
in
the
future.
I
think
that'd
be
beneficial
for
the
board.
F
E
Yeah
city
manager,
la
course,
did
provide
me
with
some
projected
funds,
but
this
report
kind
of
ended
on
31
march.
So
that's
why
the
projected
funds
weren't
included.
C
B
C
What
we're
also
doing
is
on
for
every
public
art
committee
meeting
we're
now
updating
the
the
committee
with
their
current
budget
and
then
any
additional
monies
that
are
going
to
be
coming
in
so
we're
great.
C
J
So
the
ms
indianos
is
a
mural.
It's
a
beautiful
piece,
one
of
the
discussions
I
think
when
she
first
presented
it
was
maybe
doing
it
out
in
the
outside
of
the
heritage
or
the
cultural
center
doing
on
the
wall
somewhere
or
doing
some
type
of,
and
I
know
it
moved
inside.
So
is
there
an
opportunity-
and
I
guess
this
is
a
question
to
think
about
with
the
board-
there's
an
opportunity
to
get
pieces
of
that
mural
out
into
the
public.
J
So
do
we
create
maybe
small
banners
to
put
on
our
light
post
that
kind
of
maybe
we
could
do
a
a
month
or
a
season
where
we,
I
don't
know,
promote
it
of
some
sort
or
is
there
an
option
to
do
kind
of
we
did
with
christopher
stills
is
on
the
chamber
building?
Is
there
an
opportunity,
something
similar
to
that
to
get
that
out
into
the
public?
J
More
so
more
public
can
actually
enjoy
the
visual
aspects
of
it
other
than
just
being
in
the
building,
and
I
love
it
being
inside
the
building.
It's
a
perfect
spot
for
it,
but
it
is
one
of
the
beautiful
pieces
of
the
history
of
tarpon.
It
would
be
great
to
see
that
outside
also
somewhere.
E
Right,
I
also
know
that
mrs
indiano's
is
working
on
a
film
of
the
she
had
the
the
play
videotaped
right
and
we
were
discussing
getting
a
large
screen
tv
and
putting
it
in
this
cultural
center.
Where
the
you
know,
the
video
could
be
shown
and
that's
a
good
idea,
we'll
have
to
talk
to
elizabeth
and
see
what
what
could
be
done
about
that.
J
Thank
you
and
then
my
last
question,
for
you
is
the
chorale
and
the
union
academy.
How
tall
is
that
expected
to
be
dina.
C
Really
fine,
it's
final
form.
That
was
just
the
one
that
he
presented.
You
know
to
the
committee
now
that
he's
met
with
you
know
the
the
public
art
committee,
they're,
actually
gonna,
be
bringing
it
to
him,
he's
working
on
it
right
now
to
kind
of
refine
the
concepts
after
they've
done
the
research.
J
The
union
academy,
where
the
union
academy
is
that's
where
it's
going
to
be
right,
yeah.
E
E
Yeah
and
I
have
to
say,
he's
really
doing
a
lot
of
research
going
out
of
his
way.
He
lives
in
saint
pete.
He
comes
up
here
a
few
times
a
week
and
he's
been
working
very
closely
with.
I
we've
connected
him
with
both
annie
dabz
and
milton
smith,
who
are
descendants
of
the
original
sponge
hookers.
So
I'm
I'm
really
looking
forward
to
this.
Thank.
C
Yeah,
I
think
most
of
my
questions
were
answered.
Thanks
to
commissioner
carr.
However,
the
installation
is
going
to
be
in
the
union
academy.
This
is
a
physical
installation.
That's
going
to
go
on
that
property
there.
I
assume
I'm
sort
of
understanding
the
concept,
although
I
wasn't
in
the
inception
of
it
but
is-
are
the
current
residents
of
that
area
are
going
to
understand
what
a
corral
is
and
what
it
was
used
for
and
where
they
put
them?
Is
that
explanation
going
into
this
at
all?
Yes,.
E
It
is
okay,
yes,
yeah
they'll
be
either
plaques
or
we
were
considering
some
multimedia
alternatives.
Perhaps
a
qr
code,
or
you
know
a
website
link
something
that
people
could
go
to
to
get
more
information
about
the
pieces
for
both
the
the
crawl
and
the
arch.
E
Do
you
know
where
the
chamber
information
office
is
yeah
around
the
city,
marina
yeah,
we'll
go
in
there?
Okay,.
C
A
First,
I
want
to
thank
you.
This
is
an
amazing
amazing
production
that
I
I
really
enjoy.
This
is
not
my
forte,
so
I
take
my
hat
off
to
you.
I
really
enjoyed
this.
My
question
is
slightly
different,
as
you'll
find
that
most
will
be,
is
the
donations
that
go
to
the
art
fund
are
a
million
dollars
and
more?
A
Is
it
possible
that
we
could
change
that
to
where
it's
an
incremental
amount,
where
somebody
doing
a
250
000
has
some
funds
to
give
in
and
500
000
has
some
750,
000
or
so
on
and
so
forth?
Why
is
it
only
that
we
have?
That
target?
Is
my
question
one?
A
F
B
B
Actually,
I've
got
some
thoughts
on
that,
but
ms
jennings.
E
Yes,
at
our
last
board
meeting,
there
was
discussion
about
taking
a
closer
look
at
the
ordinance
with
an
eye
to
doing
some
major
revisions.
It's
it's
very
outdated,
so
you
know
a
lot
of
the
things
that
were
in
place
in
2007
when
the
public
art
committee
was
created,
have
obviously
changed,
and
you
know
we
want
to
have
a
workshop
as
soon
as
possible
to
you
know,
take
a
much
closer
look
at
revising
the
ordinance.
A
Well,
my
second
thing
would
be
also
that
I
believe
that
the
public
art
committee
should
be
the
ones
making
the
call
of
what
tarpon
springs,
considers
art
and
not
the
people
themselves
that
have
their
facility.
I
I
would
like
it
to
just
remain
with
our
committee
and
not
with
the
whoever's
doing
the
building.
A
They
could
think
that
this
is
a
beautiful
piece
of
art
that
they
bring
in
and
they
place
it
in
front
of
their
location,
and
we
have
a
public
art
committee
that
says
this
is
not
what
we're
looking
for
to
have
here.
So
that's
all.
I
want
to
share
yeah.
E
I
believe
I
believe,
for
the
ordinance
that
they
have
to
come
to
the
pack
for
approval
okay
and
the
last
one,
the
last
developer,
that
did
this
was
the
louise's
sculpture
in
front
of
vicaria
right
and
they
they
actually
brought
the
artist
to
the
public
art
committee
meeting
and
with
her
portfolio
and
credentials
and
other
examples
of
her
work.
So
we
thoroughly
vetted
that
project.
Okay,.
B
M
I
just
want
to
ask:
will:
will
mr
dorsett
be
part
of
anything
regarding
the
history
with
this
absolutely
okay,
cool
and
the
archway
looks
nice
just
looking
to
see
how
it
comes
along
in
the
future.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Welcome.
B
I
have
a
couple
of
things:
one
we've
got
a
couple
of
art
committee
members
here,
the
newest
one,
mr
graham
jones.
If
you'd
like
to
stand
up,
he
was
reappointed
in
case
you
don't
know
mr
jones
he's
there
and
liz
kelly.
I'm
miss
kelly.
Excuse
me:
lucian,
miss
robertson
used
to
be
kelly
robertson.
E
And
bill
niels
is
over
here.
B
B
I
think
that
we've
kind
of
moved
into
the
fast
lane
on
public
art
in
the
committee,
and
I
think
because
of
that,
the
ordinance
needs
to
be
updated
along
the
lines
that
all
of
you
have
mentioned,
both
the
taking
a
little
more
control
of
the
content
and
the
types
of
art
by
the
public
art
committee
and
also
taking
a
little
stronger
control
and
maybe
even
eliminating
the
idea
of
businesses
making
their
own.
B
I
forgot
what
the
term
is,
but
their
their
own
decision
as
far
as
providing
something
in
lieu
of
actually
a
monetary
contribution.
B
I
I
think
ms
jones,
ms
jones,
ms
jennings,
had
heard
enough
tonight
to
go
back
to
the
art
committee
and
discuss
that
further,
and
I
think,
through
the
city
manager
and
ms
woods,
hopefully
we'll
hear
something
about
that
in
the
near
future.
O
B
Is
that
it
for
commission
comments
motion
we
have
a
motion
and
a
second
roll
call.
Please.
M
B
Yes,
item
number
seven
presentation:
acceptance
of
fiscal
year;
2021
external
audit,
c
manager.
Of
course.
Yes,.
D
Good
evening
mayor
commissioners
ron
hearing
finance
director
tonight
we
have
the
presentation
of
the
city's
external
independent
financial
audit
state
statute.
218.39
requires
local
governments
to
have
an
annual
financial
audit
performed
by
an
independent,
certified
public
accountant
within
nine
months
of
the
end
of
the
fiscal
year.
D
The
city's
audit
can
be
fined
up
be
found
on
the
city's
website.
I
just
want
to
thank
the
you
know
the
staff
of
the
finance
department.
They
do
a
great
job
with
the
work,
I'm
very
fortunate
to
have
them.
The
firm
of
maude
and
jenkson's
was
retained
to
perform
the
city
audit,
and
tonight
we
have
daniel
anderson
director
with
mauldin
jenkins,
to
present
the
city
audit.
K
Good
evening,
mr
mayor
commissioners,
thank
you
ron.
As
he
mentioned,
my
name
is
daniel
anderson,
I'm
a
director
with
mauldin
jenkins
and
I
had
responsibility
for
the
city's
2021
fiscal
year
and
audit.
There
should
have
been
two
items
included
in
your
agenda
packet.
One
would
be
the
annual
comprehensive
financial
report
itself,
which
ron
just
mentioned.
The
second
is
a
separate
document
called
the
auditor's
discussion
and
analysis.
This
is
a
document
that
we
issue
to
go
over
our
required
communications
and
then
also
just
to
give
some
additional
information
to
the
board
of
commissioners.
K
K
K
K
The
main
reason
we
perform
an
audit
is
to
give
an
opinion
on
the
fairness
of
the
presentation
of
your
financial
statements
and
I'm
happy
to
report
that
we
have
issued
an
unmodified
opinion,
which
is
the
highest
form
of
assurance
that
we
can
render.
Therefore,
in
our
opinion,
the
financial
statements
are
free
of
material
mistake
for
the
2021
fiscal
year.
K
Some
brief
information
about
the
the
act
for
or
the
annual
comprehensive
financial
report
that
acronym
did
change.
So,
if
you're
used
to
those
words
being
jumbled
around,
there
was
a
new
gatsby
standard
that
changed
that
just
that
took
effect
this
year.
If
you
are
new
to
it,
it
is
a
very
large
document
if
you
have
15
minutes
and
just
really
want
to
get
into
okay.
K
Additionally,
the
auditor
general's
office
requires
us
to
issue
an
independent
auditor's
management
letter
with
respect
to
additional
rules
and
regulations
of
the
auditor
general.
There
are
no
issues
that
we've
identified
in
this
report
and
then,
lastly,
is
a
report
titled
the
independent
accountants
report-
and
this
is
an
examination
that
we
performed
over
the
city's
compliance
with
the
investment
of
public
funds
and
again
within
this
report,
there
were
no
issues
identified
going
through
some
of
the
other
required
communications
that
we
have
ultimately
any
management's
judgments.
The
financial
statements
and
the
disclosures
themselves
are
responsibility
of
management.
K
We
encountered
no
difficulties
with
management
in
performing
our
audit
and,
in
fact,
I'd
like
to
commend
ron
and
michelle
and
their
team
they're
very
attentive
to
the
audit
process,
they're
very
diligent
in
getting
us
the
information
whenever
we
agree
upon
us
getting
the
information
from
them
and
then
they're
very
quick
to
respond
to
any
questions
or
comments
that
we
have
throughout
the
audit
process.
So
they're
certainly
a
pleasure
to
work
with,
and
I
do
want
to
just
pass
that
along
to
you.
K
There
were
no
audit
adjustments
from
the
initial
trial
balances
provided
to
us,
which
again
is
a
very
good
thing.
With
municipalities,
there
are
no
uncorrected
misstatements
where
we
suggested
an
audit
adjustment
to
be
made
and
management
passed
on
that
entry
to
be
made.
We
had
no
disagreements
with
management
over
the
application
of
any
significant
accounting
policies
or
procedures.
K
K
There
are
no
significant
issues
identified
that
we
feel
that
we
bring
to
your
attention
and
malden
jenkins
is
independent
with
respect
to
the
city
of
tarpon
springs
the
last
several
pages
of
the
auditor's
discussion
and
analysis
really
just
goes
through
some
upcoming
gatsby
pronouncements
and
how
they
may
impact
the
city
the
biggest
one
that
we've
already
started
talking
to
ron
and
his
team
about
will
be
effect
for
the
2022
fiscal
year.
End.
That's
in
regards
to
how
we
account
for
leases,
so
we're
working
with
him
on
that
to
make
sure
that
the
city
is
implementing.
K
B
I'd
like
to
actually
thank
you,
because
that
was
the
best
outside
auditors
report,
I've
heard
forever
and
certainly
the
fastest.
So
thanks
for
doing
that,
let
me
go
to
public
comments.
Are
there
any
public
comments
here
from
anyone
here
tonight.
H
Chris
wraposki
1602
gulf
beach
boulevard
tarpon
springs
three,
four,
six,
eight
nine.
This
is
probably
the
best
time
and
place
for
these
comments.
I've
mentioned
it
to
you
many
times
before
that
you
got
to
keep
an
eye
on
the
legal
team
that
the
city
has
hired
and,
in
the
case
of
clay,
coulson
recently
had
a
hearing
for
some
reason.
H
H
B
H
B
Yes,
thank
you
that
actually,
that
would
be
more
of
the
internal
auditor's
role
on
that,
but
thank
you,
mr
robotsky.
Are
there
any
other
public
comments.
B
Mr
jump,
are
there
any
zoom
or
telephonic
comments.
B
We
have
a
motion
to
accept
the
fiscal
year
2020
one
external
audit
motion
to
accept.
Second,
please,
second,
thank
you.
Do
we
have
any
commission
comments.
C
I
just
want
to
say
that
I
think
it
was
an
excellent
presentation
by
the
auditor.
I
wish
I'd
been
privileged
to
some
of
the
backup
material
that
you
mentioned,
and
perhaps
I
will
be,
but
thank
you.
B
Yeah,
actually,
these
audits
are
they're,
very
comprehensive
and
there's
a
lot
of
data
and
we
don't
even
hit
the
tip
of
the
iceberg
on
these
things.
So
it's
actually
the
reading.
You
do
afterwards
and
it's
it's
challenging,
but
ron
herring
is
available
as
well.
Whenever
you
want
to
explain
things
for
you,
but
is
that
all
the
commission
comments
we
have
to
have
anybody
else
said
roll
call?
Please.
B
B
Okay,
we're
going
to
go
to
item
number,
eight
presentation
and
acceptance
of
internal
audit
on
fire
department.
Mr
pulos,
mr
pulis
is
our
internal
auditor.
He
is,
he
works
directly
for
the
city,
commission
and
he'll
be
reporting
on
this
item
and
you
want
to
go
ahead
with
that.
Thank
you,
mr
mayor.
A
Do
we
have
time
with
it
being
a
7
30
public
hearing
pm.
N
I'll
I'll
try
to
be
brief.
Commissioners,
good
evening,
mr
mayor
and
and
commissioners
and
I'm
sure
you're,
probably
tired
of
hearing
this,
but
congratulations
to
all
the
the
new
commissioners.
It's
been
a
while
since
I've
been
up
here.
So
I
wanted
to
to
congratulate
you
good
evening,
I'll
be
I'll,
be
I'll,
be
as
brief
as
I
can
how
I
usually
do
presentations,
I
usually
don't
do
formal
presentations
with
audits.
I
put
the
audit
on
the
agenda.
N
I
give
you
the
opportunity
to
review
it
and
I
just
kind
of
go
over
the
the
the
highlights,
the
findings
at
a
high
level,
and
it's
been
my
experience
that
if
you
want
to
get
into
the
details
and
you'll,
ask
me
questions
and
we'll
have
a
discussion
and
then
we'll
get
to
more
of
a
granular
level
through
the
question
and
answer
and
discussion
process.
N
So
that's
how
I
like
to
do
it
if
there,
if
you
know
a
different
way
or
you
want
me
to
do
a
full
presentation
going
forward.
Just
just
let
me
know
I'm
open
to
suggestions
before
I
do
that,
though.
However,
this
is,
I
want
to
say,
a
few
things,
because
this
is
kind
of
a
a
unique
audit
in
in
terms
of
its
findings,
and
you
want
to
say
first
off
that
usually
internal
audits
are
are
pretty
boring.
They're
pretty
you
know,
prosaic
they're,
they're
they're,
not.
N
You
know
very,
very
sexy
the
odd
findings
for
for
lack
of
a
better
word.
So
I
I
want
it
to
be
known
that
this
is
probably
the
exception
and
not
the
rule,
and
at
least
at
least
I
hope
it
is.
N
The
second
thing
is
contrary
to
what
what
some
people
think
findings
like
this
and
some
of
the
the
things
that
that
I
say
in
the
audit
report,
although
accurate,
maybe
rub
some
people
the
wrong
way,
but
obviously
it's
my
job
and
I
like
much
it
and-
and
it's
just
it's-
it's
probably
as
hard
for
the
auditor
to
issue
these
types
of
findings
as
it
is
for
the
oddity.
N
So
I
don't.
I
don't
take
any
any
pleasure
in
it.
It's
a
duty.
I'd
rather
not
be
mine,
but
unfortunately
that's
that's
what
it
is.
That's
what
the
job
is.
So
I
I
want
to
kind
of
put
that
out
there,
it's
just
as
awkward
for
me
to
teach
people
of
of
of
receiving
compensation
that
that
they
shouldn't
be
receiving
as
it
is
for
for
the
oddity.
N
Lastly,
before
I
get
started,
I
I
want
to
make
it
clear,
because
I
know
some
people
will
read
a
report.
Some
people
won't
and
I've
heard
some
people
say
that
I'm
bashing
the
fire
department-
that's
not
the
case.
In
fact.
N
To
the
contrary,
I
I
as
you
as
you
know,
I
issue
balance
reports,
so
I
I'll
tell
you
the
good
with
the
bad,
because
I
think
that
helps
a
board
like
this
make
decisions
and
this
this
audit
report
doesn't
speak
to
the
operational
readiness
or
operations
at
all
any
negative,
any
anything
negative
in
terms
of
readiness
or
the
the
effectiveness
or
the
efficiency
of
the
of
the
fire
department.
This
audit,
the
findings
rather
focus
solely
on
executive
compensation
and
the
issues
they're
in.
N
So
if
there's,
if
there's
a
theme
for
this
audit,
it
would
be
that
there's
there's
a
the
executive
staff
are
receiving
union
benefits
and
they're,
not
union
members,
which
is
just
not
allowed.
If
anyone
here
has
ever
worked
for
you,
you
know
anything
about
unions
that
that's
not
allowed.
The
only
people
who
receive
union
benefits
are
dues
paying
union
members
period.
N
So
let
me
give
you
a
little
background
about
the
about
the
fire
department,
how
it
kind
of
works,
I'm
not
from
an
operational
perspective
but
from
an
employee
perspective,
there's
basically
two
classes
of
employees
at
the
fire
department.
There's
the
union
employees
and
the
non-union
employees
the
union
employees
are
governed
by.
N
I
just
call
it
the
union
contract,
but
it's
the
collective
marketing
agreement,
which
is
done
in
about
every
three
years
that
makes
up
about
32
33
rank
and
file
employees.
Those
are
the
the
firemen
paramedics
and
such
then
there's
two
administrative
employees
who
are
not
in
the
union
and
then
there's
seven.
What
I
call
I
just
group
them
together
and
just
call
me:
executive
staff,
that's
district
chief
and
above
they're.
They
are
not
in
the
union
because
they're
they're
management
and
they
they
don't.
N
Obviously
they
don't
pay
union
dues,
so
you
kind
of
have
to
have
that
background
to
understand
the
findings
going
forward
and
the
in
in
the
union
contract.
There's
several
what
I
call
pay
additives.
Some
people
call
them
allowances.
I
call
them
padded,
so
those
words
are.
Those
words
are
interchangeable.
N
I
think
there's
four
allowances
or
pay
additives.
One
of
them
has
been
suspended,
one
of
them,
I
don't
think
anyone's
partaking
in,
but
there's
two
that
were
that
were
problematic
and
that's
the
fire
officer,
one
allowance
and
the
fire
inspector
allowance.
The
fire
officer
one
allowance
is,
is
a
you
receive
forty
dollars
a
month.
If
you
have
the
fire
officer
certification
and
you
maintain
it
if
you're
in
the
union,
the
fire
inspector
allowance
is
another
forty
dollars
and
it's
performance
based.
N
N
You
have
to
do
120
fire
inspections
per
year,
so
roughly
10
a
month
on
your
own
time
and
you
get
40
a
month
for
that,
so
I'll
just
go
through
real
quickly.
The
the
the
findings
and
findings
are
kind
of
written.
Just
so
you
know
they're
written
they're
statements
of
conditions,
so
they're
written
they're
a
little
blunt.
It's
kind
of
just
it's
a
it's
a
statement.
It's
not
a
question.
It's
not!
It
shouldn't
be,
it
should
be
clear
and
unambiguous,
and
also
I
do
I
do
want
to
say
there.
N
There
are
certain
findings
when
I,
when
I'm
doing
an
audit,
that
I'm
not
flexible
with
and
those
have
to
do
with
compensation,
because
that's
that
that
serious
serious
business
when
we're
talking
about
tax
dollars
going
from
taxpayer
in
someone's
pocket,
I'm
not
talking
about
overpaying
for
something
or
non-compliance
with
something
I'm
talking
about
people
becoming
unjustly
enriched.
N
So
I
just
I
I
want.
I
want
that
to
to
to
be
known.
So
the
first
finding
is
the
department
and
the
city
are
operating
outside
the
terms
of
the
fire
chief's
employment
contract.
The
fire
chief
has
an
employment
contract
that
was
signed
in
2017
when
he
was
appointed
as
the
fire
chief.
N
The
contract
is
clear:
it's
unambiguous!
It
lists
his
compensation.
It
says
nothing
about
pay
additives,
especially
yin-based
parties,
yet
he's
been
receiving
them
for
how
long
I
know
he's
been
receiving
them.
Since
probably
2008
is
the
last
the
last
personnel
action
forum
that
I
saw,
but
as
soon
as
he
became
the
fire
chief,
all
that
all
that
should
have
stopped
immediately.
N
I
don't
get
paid
a
dollar
more
than
what
my
contract
says,
and
nor
should
I
or
should
any
contractual
employee
and
that
one
it's
pretty
self-explanatory
that
one.
If
your
contract
says
you
make
x,
you
get
x,
that's
it
number
two
and
there's
there's
five
findings
and
the
fourth
finding
has
three
sub
findings:
I'll
go
through
them
quickly.
N
The
department
has
provided
union-based,
pay
additives
to
non-union
executive
staff
through
the
use
of
questionable
practices.
What
I
mean
by
questionable
practices
is
the
use
of
pa
forms
or
the
pa
form
process
which
stands
for
personnel
action
forms,
so
the
best
way
to
describe
it
is
give
an
example.
If
I
was
the
director-
and
I
wanted
to
give
you
know
joe
smith-
a
five
percent
raise,
I
would
fill
out
a
personal
action
form
to
a
pa
form
and
it
would
go
to
hr.
N
Hr
would
would
review
it
sign
off
on
it.
So
there's
a
control
there
because
hr
signing
off
on
it
and
then
it
would
go
to
the
city
manager
and
that
would
be
a
control
as
well
because
he
has
to
sign
off
on
it,
which
should
be
the
ultimate
control,
because
he
he's
the
chief
executive
for
the
city
and
then
it
goes
ultimately
to
finance
for
processing.
N
So
there's
another
control
there,
so
I
would
say:
probably
for
every
pa,
I
don't
know,
maybe
half
a
dozen
people
are
probably
actually
touching
pa
forms
and
the
controls
are
in
place.
So
there
shouldn't
be
any
there
shouldn't,
be
none
bogus
or
questionable.
N
Pa
form
should
be
making
its
way
from
a
director
of
a
department,
all
the
way
to
finance
to
someone's
pocket
shouldn't
be
happening,
shouldn't
be
happening
and
when
I
say
questionable
that
the
pa
forms
that
were
that
that
I
found
that
were
used
as
justification
for
these
pay
additives
for
the
executive
staff.
They
ranged
anywhere
from
5
to
14
years
old.
N
Some
of
the
pay
additives-
well,
I
think
all
of
them
are
really
in
this
case,
for
the
executive
staff
are
are
unnecessary
because
for
the,
for
example,
the
the
fire
officer
certificate
allowance
is
a
job
requirement
for,
I
believe,
all
of
the
all
of
the
executive
staff.
N
So
why
were?
Why
were
paying
someone
for
a
job
requirements
beyond
me?
It
would
be
akin
to
paying
me
extra,
because
I'm
a
certified
internal
launderer.
That's
part
of
my
job,
that's
wrapped
up
into
my
compensation
package.
I
don't
get
paid
extra
for
having
or
maintaining
a
certification.
I
have
to
have
it
for
my
job,
just
just
just
like
the
executive
staff
needs
to
have
at
least
at
the
fire
department,
at
least
the
fire
officer.
One
certification
there's
also
some
compliance
issues
that
I'll
talk
about
in
in
number
four
they're.
N
N
N
N
What
they
do
at
the
at
the
at
the
the
fire
department
is,
they
have
a
spreadsheet,
which
is
fine,
they
keep
track
of
it,
but
they
separate
out
the
executives
that
are
getting
the
union
benefits
from
the
rank
and
file
union
employees
who
are
receiving
these
pay
additives.
So
it
gives
the
appearance
that
they're
under
the
twelve
thousand
dollar
cap,
but
all
of
those
funds
are
coming
from
the
same
account,
so
they
can't
be
separated
from
from
a
compliance
standpoint,
so
they're
they're
over
the
twelve
thousand
dollar
union
limit.
N
In
fact,
the
the
accounts
even
have
the
prefix
for
both
the
fire
officer
certification
and
the
fire
inspector
allowance
that
the
prefix
and
the
the
accounting
code
is
iaff,
slash
fire
officer,
iaff
fire
inspector,
which
stands
for
international
association
of
firefighters.
N
So
it's
kind
of
a
little
it's
a
it's
kind
of
like
a
little
accounting
trick.
They
to
the
untrained
eye,
it
looks
like
oh
no
we're
under
the
12
000,
but
when
you
start
peeling
back
the
the
layers,
you
realize
no
they're,
not
all
these
are
coming
from
the
same
funds,
so
they
have
to
be
treated
the
same.
N
Finding
number
4a
for
bm4c.
I
combined
them
all
because
they
all
stemmed
from
the
fire
inspector
certificate
allowance.
That's
one
the
aforementioned
one
that
that
that
requires
120
fire
inspectors,
inspections
to
be
done
annually
and
this
this
is
this-
is
the
one
that
kind
of
piqued
my
interest
for
a
says.
Three
out
of
eight
employees
receiving
the
fire
inspector
allowance
do
not
even
appear
on
the
fire
inspection
report,
but
still
receive
the
allowance.
N
Basically,
I'm
looking
at
payroll
data-
and
I
see
the
fire
chief
and
and
his
executive
staff
are,
you
know
several
of
them
were
receiving
this
allowance
and
I
asked
them
for
the
fire
report
and
they
gave
it
to
me
because
I
assumed
you
have
to
you
know
someone's
got
to
keep.
You
know
track
of.
You
know
the
the
inspections.
N
So
I
get
that-
and
I
noticed
three
of
the
employees
aren't
even
on
the
report,
not
that
they
didn't
do
the
120
or
come
anywhere
near
the
near
doing
120
inspections
they
weren't
even
on
the
report
at
all.
So
I
thought
well
how
in
god's
name
would
finance
even
know
how
to
pay
people
if
they
don't
they're,
not
even
on
their
report
and
that's
kind
of
what
kind
of
what?
N
What
what
started
all
this
and
then
then
I
started
you
know
reviewing
the
personnel
files
and
I
realized,
because
I
had
no
idea
at
the
time.
Excuse
me.
I
had
no
idea
at
the
time
that
they
were
using
the
pa
form
process
to
to
get
the
the
the
pay
additives.
I
really
wasn't
clear
on
how
they
were
doing
it.
I
had
no
idea
so
three
of
the
eight,
like
I
said,
aren't
even
on
the
report
so
th.
N
Only
two
out
of
the
eight
employees
who
received
the
fire
inspector
certificate
allowance
actually
completed
the
required
120
annual
fire
inspections
as
per
the
fire
inspection
report
and
these
weren't.
These
were
rank
and
file
union
union
members,
the
ones
that
actually
did
the
work,
only
two
of
them
now
4c
in
total,
only
51
of
the
required
fire
inspections
were
completed
for
the
fire
and
certificate
allowance.
N
Okay
and
then
one
more
that'd
be
number
five.
Now
that
wasn't
number
five
wasn't
wasn't
that
that
big
of
a
deal
it
was
that
the
what's
what's
presented
in
the
budget,
the
fy
21
budget
fiscal
year,
21
budget,
says
that
425
inspections
were
completed
in
fiscal
year.
20.,
however,.
N
Wasn't
anywhere
oh,
but
we
paid
for
600
of
them,
because
five
people
participated
in
the
program
and
they
should
have
done
120,
so
600
inspections
should
have
been
done.
So
there's
a
discrepancy,
basically
between
what
was
budgeted
and
what's
in
the
budget
document
and
the
actual
numbers
now
the
city.
Obviously,
I
gave
the
city
an
opportunity
to
respond,
and
I
I
gotta
admit
it's
the
first
time
in
my
career
that
that
I
got
a
response
back
from
four
people
and
that
would
be
the
city
manager,
the
hr
director,
the
fire
chief.
N
Of
course
she
was
the
oddity
and
hr
director
finance
director
and
the
city
manager,
so
all
four
of
them
signed
it
their
main
focus
or
not.
I
should
say,
focus
their
main.
The
rationale
for
these.
These
pay
additives
that
are
given
to
executive
staff
focus
around,
as
they
say,
tradition,
which
honestly-
and
I
don't
know
how
to
say
this-
this
politely.
But
it's
it's
one
of
the
most
absurd
things.
I've
ever
heard.
N
I've
never
seen
anyone
get
paid
for
based
on
tradition
tradition.
Is
you
know
that
that's
when
the
city
pays
to
have
a
you
know
a
float
in
the
christmas
parade?
We
don't
pay
people
on
tradition,
no
organization.
Does
that
it's
it's
it's.
Frankly,
it's
absurd
and
if
that's
the
case,
I'd
love
to
to
get
in
on
that
and
create
my
own
tradition
and
get
paid
extra.
N
So
they
also
complained
about
the
the
tone
of
the
audit
and,
let's
say
I've
been
doing
this
for
a
while
and
usually
an
oddity
when
they
don't
when
they
don't
like
an
audit
or
the
findings.
Rather
they
do
one
of
three
things.
I
call
it
the
acronyms
atc.
They
either
question
the
accuracy,
the
tone
or
the
auditor's
credit
credibility.
In
this
case.
Obviously,
the
the
audit
was
accurate.
If
it
wasn't,
I
would
have
changed
it.
N
They
questioned
the
tone
of
the
audit.
They
haven't
questioned
my
credibility
yet,
but
you
know
we'll
see
if
that
ever
happens,
so
I
knew
it
would
be
one
of
those
and
obviously,
in
this
case
it
was
tone.
I
did
everything
I
could
to
not
use
certain
words.
I
tried
to
tone
it
down.
N
The
real
victims
here
are
the
union
employees
who
are
paying
for
union
benefits
through
their
dues
every
month
to
the
tune
of
around
80
a
month
they
pay
for
those
benefits
and
the
fire
chief
and
his
executive
staff
are
getting
a
free
ride.
Also
it
was.
I
was
talking
to
someone
who
was
in
a
union
and
the
other
day
about
this,
and-
and
they
mentioned
to
me,
which
I
hadn't
even
thought
of,
they
said
well
what
about
the
union
bosses?
I
said.
Well,
what
do
you
mean
they
said?
Are
they
okay?
N
With
this
I
said
I
don't
know,
I
didn't
talk
to
union
bosses
and
they
said
well
they're
representing
them
for
free,
and
I
thought
about
it.
I
said
well
you're
right.
That
means
seven
people
are
being
represented
for
free
by
the
union
bosses
if
they're
able
to
get
these
pay
additives
that
are
directly
related
to
the
union
contract,
and
I
thought
well
that
that
odd,
because
I
don't
know
anyone
that
works
for
free,
especially
a
union
boss.
So
this
has
some
some,
I
think
some
some
some
major
effects,
it's
not
so
much.
N
The
dollar
amount,
it's
the
principle,
the
matter
and-
and
I
don't
think
it's
fair
to
the
the
hard-working
rank
and
file
union
employees.
I
don't
think
it's
fair
to
the
the
people
of
tarpon
springs
and,
in
my
professional
opinion
and
my
personal
opinion.
I
think
this.
This
sort
of
behavior
needs
needs
to
stop
and
the
city
management
has
admitted
that
this
has
been
going
on
for
30
years.
I
don't
know
if
it's
been
going
on
that
long.
N
I
didn't
go
back
that
far,
but
I
don't
think
that
really
helps
their
case.
I
think
that
makes
it
look
worse.
I
mean
30
years
all
those
pa
forms
and
nobody
hit
the
stop
button.
Nobody
in
the
city
had
to
stop
on.
That's
amazing.
To
me.
That
really
is
that's
just
either
either
everyone
thinks
it's
a
joke,
everyone's
in
on
it
or
it's
gross
incompetence.
N
It's
one
of
those
things
I
I
can't
explain
it,
but
for
this
to
go
on,
especially
when
the
fire
chief
just
signed
a
contract
a
few
years
ago,
at
that
point
someone's
putting
this
into
the
nav
line
accounting
system.
At
that
point,
somebody
should
have
said:
hey
wait
a
minute.
Well,
this
contract
says
x.
Why
am
I
putting
in
x
plus
this
plus
this?
That's,
not
what
the
contract
says.
N
So
it's
really.
I
think
it
begs
some
larger
questions
here.
The
good
thing
is,
though,
the
silver
lining
is.
As
per
my
my
risk
assessment
I
presented
about
eight
or
nine
months
ago,
I'm
doing
a
a
an
audit
of
the
hr
department,
and
so
I'm
gonna
get
to
the
bottom
of
a
lot
of
these
things
and
I'll
be
I'll,
be
looking
at
the
pa
process
and
and
some
other
pay
additives
for
non-union
employees
as
well.
N
So
the
silver
lining
is
it's
kind
of
it's
kind
of
helps,
steer
the
hr
audit.
So
that's
a
good
thing
and
also
the
in
their
response.
There's
a
pretty
lengthy
response,
they're
they're,
claiming
they
want
to
create
a
policy
to
make
this
okay,
which
I
obviously
I
don't
make
the
decision.
N
No
one
elected
me:
you
all
the
elected
officials
and
you
make
that
decision,
but
I
I
don't
think
creating
a
policy
policies
aren't
get
out
of
jail,
free
cards
or
oh,
we
made
a
mistake,
so
we'll
just
create
a
policy.
I
think
that
sends
a
bad
message
to
to
other
employees
and
other
and
other
directors
in
in
the
city,
so
that
that's
kind
of
my
my
stand
on
it.
N
If
you
have
any
any
questions,
oh
another
thing
too,
if,
if
the
the
fire
chief
and
his
executive
staff
want
to
make
more
money,
that's
fine!
I
don't
know
anyone
that
doesn't
want
to
make
more
money,
but
there's
the
right
way
to
do
it
the
wrong
way
to
do
it.
I
don't
care
what
they
make.
That's,
not
my
job,
but
when
things
aren't
done
correctly,
then
it
becomes
my
job.
N
For
instance,
I
I'd
like
to
make
more
money,
but
I'll
do
it
the
right
way
I'll
come
before
the
board,
I'll
put
it
on
the
agenda
and
I'll
say
I
want
x
amount
of
dollars
more
it's
as
simple
as
that,
it's
yes
or
no!
So
if
it's
a
question
of,
if
it's
truly
a
question
of
compensation,
it's
easily
done,
the
same
manager
can
give
his
executive
staff
raises,
or
the
chief
in
his
case
because
he's
a
contractual
employee
and
simply
simply
come
before
the
board
and
and
have
his
contract
renegotiated.
N
There's
no
need
to
to
do
this
cloak
and
dagger
pa
forums
here
and
there,
and
I
mean
it's
just
it's
an
absolute
mess
and-
and
what
really
bothers
me
is
that
the
the
controls
are
in
place.
You
need
two
signatures,
plus
it
goes
through
the
finance
department.
So,
like
I
said
earlier,
half
a
dozen
people
at
least
are
touching
these
and
and
no
one
says
anything,
nobody
that
this
is
that
just
that
boggles
my
mind:
it's
almost
impossible.
N
So
that's
the
audit
and
I'd
be
more
than
happy
to
answer
any
questions
you
may
have.
B
F
Well,
I'll
I'll,
just
put
it
like
this,
we
stand
by
the
answer
that
we
gave
to
the
audit
it's
written
and
we
stand
by
there's
no
sense
of
me
going
point
by
point
and,
and
we've
talked
bill
and
I've
talked.
We
have
a
very
profound
disagreement
on
this
issue,
but
but
we
put
that
aside,
that
you
know
you
know
with
no
problem
we'll
have
no
problem
working
with
all
of
that.
We'll
just
put
it
aside,
I
don't
call
it
tradition.
F
It
was
past
practice
the
the
two
two
mistakes
evidently
and
on
my
part,
obviously
it
wasn't
that
put
in
the
contract
with
which
it
should
have
been.
That
was
a
mistake
made
in
2017
when
the
contract
was
done.
You
know
next
next
meeting.
I
know
I
had
in
here
we
talked
about
tonight,
but
next
meeting
I'll
have
a
fix
that
because
the
intention
was
for-
and
the
intention
was
when
he
moved
for
chief
and
when
chief
young
moved
for
chief
and
everybody
else
that
they
would
keep.
F
You
know
the
benefits
they
had
so
that
that's
true
that'll
be
brought
back
to
you
next
meeting
with
that
addendum
a
simple
one-line
addendum
to
that,
and
we
can
move
with
that.
We
do
have
to
fix
the
the
other
employees
and
that
would
be
can
be
fixed
by
a
policy
that
I
put
a
copy
of
it
in
there
to
you
to
document
that
I'm
sure
this
is
documented
somewhere
in
the
probably
the
80s
we've
gone
back
to
and
the
documents
found
in
80s.
F
That
may
even
go
further,
but
this
was
a
past
practice
that
that
was
done
and-
and
the
purpose
of
the
audit
is
to
find
things
like
that.
If
we
can't
show
documentation
for
it,
then
we
fix
it
and
I
think
it's
an
easy
fix
and
that's
what
I
plan
to
do
with
it
and
you
know
we're
not.
F
I
won't
get
into
the
debate
of
where
we
disagree
and
and
and
don't
but
we'll
stand
by
the
report
we
put
there
and,
as
you
see,
there'll
be
a
couple
of
documents
coming
forward
one.
You
know
my
job
is
a
policy
to
place
in
a
policy.
F
So
there
is
a
policy
to
go
by
of
what's
been
operated
on
for
at
least
at
least
20
years
that
we
can
show
and
then
I'll
fix
that
mistake
that
was
made
for
the
contract
and
there's
there's
some
other
things
in
the
good
to
get
to
the
good
lining
of
this
is
is
we
do
need
to
look
at
a
lie
and
we've
already
begun,
looking
at
a
lot
of
things
that
maybe
we've
been
doing
for
a
long
time,
but
can't
find
the
documentation
for
we
need
to
do
that
and
everything
needs
to
be
documented,
and
you
know
the
records
going
back
going
back,
20
years
or
so
are
are
not
good,
so
we
need
to
do
our
own
in
besides
the
audit
that
billy's
doing
we've
already
begun
with
departments
after
this
audit,
which
is
again
a
positive
to
look
back
and
see.
F
Where
are
some
others
that
we
may
need
to
do
that
we
can't
find
the
documentation
for
and
then
we
need
to
make
a
correction.
So
it's
done
so.
Besides
the
two
things
I
mentioned:
there's
some
other
things
on
accountability
and
some
more
important.
That
was
in
the
audit
that
we
put
in
the
reply
that
we're
gonna
do
so,
so
I
think
we
can
get
all
that
together
and
and
satisfy
these
and
and
move
forward
with
this.
Okay.
Thank.
B
You
we
go
to
public
comments,
anyone
have
public
comments.
C
C
C
H
First
of
all,
thank
you,
sir.
Thank
you
for
doing
your
job
and
you
say
that
what
you
do
is
a
thankless
job.
Let
me
change
that
right
here
and
now.
This
is
what
I'm
talking
about.
You
got
to
get
them
at
the
attorney,
this
tradition
of
turning
a
blind
eye
to
what
the
law
firm's
doing.
Commissioner
larson
caught
him
many
times
with
their
hand
in
the
cookie
jar
many
times,
and
he
asked
who's.
H
H
H
I
wanted
you
to
have
the
job
that
you
have
now
fought
for
you
I,
and
in
the
beginning,
you
did
such
a
great
job
man.
I
don't
know
what
happened
what's
going
on.
I
always
wondered
what
goes
on
behind
the
scenes,
and
now
we
know
it
ain't
right.
Man
just
do
the
right
thing
and
walk
away,
give
them
some
time
to
find
somebody.
H
H
H
H
H
H
H
That's
why
you
got
elected,
that's
what
we
need.
Somebody
catching
all
the
problems
going
on
behind
the
scenes:
somebody's
got
to
dot
some
eyes
and
cross
some
teas
around
here,
it's
what
we've
been
needing.
That's
what's
been
lacking,
that's
why
this
board
has
changed,
and
now
this
board
has
to
make
some
major
change.
B
Thank
you.
Are
there
any
other
public
comments.
C
Elias
scottish
I
live
on
1482
hillview
lane
just
want
to
thank
the
commissioner
and
auditor,
and
everyone
involved
for
extremely
entertaining
meeting
today
because
of
the
different
philosophies
and
in
terms
of
like
the
meta
understanding
of
the
municipality
and
what
the
responsibilities
are
and
how
things
work.
C
It's
very
interesting,
and
I
I
do
think
the
auditor
has
a
point
in
that.
We
can't
just
change
codes
after
the
fact
to
like
make
up
for
something,
because
that
can
enable
certain
bad
actors
to
like
feel
like
they
can
do
what
they
want
and
it'll
all
be
cleaned
up
afterwards,
and
I
don't
think
that
I
wouldn't
say
that
the
money
is
stolen.
C
L
C
Something
should
be
done
to
like
codify
this,
the
the
nature
of
the
relationship
that
the
firefighters
union
has
with
the
city,
but
it's
good
that
we're
having
this
talk,
even
if
it's
about
an
amount
of
money,
that's
quite
negligible
everything
matters
and
it's
always
worth
re-evaluating
how
we
look
at
how
people
are
compensated.
I
I
I
So
how
do
we
go
about
doing
this?
We
don't
go
about
changing
policies
to
reward
what
has
occurred.
I'm
not
sure
if
you
have
to
go
back,
let's
be
up
to
the
attorney
to
find
out
what
type
of
process
you
would
go.
Do
you
go
back
and
recover
funds,
or
do
you
just
say
it's
a
wash
and
you
make
make
sure
everything's
cleaned
up,
but
this
isn't
the
only
department
that
has
had
issues
over
the
years
that
have
been
neglected.
B
Thank
you.
Are
there
any
public
comments
from
anyone
else
here
in
attendance.
B
I've
got
to
go
to
comments,
mr
jump,
any
comments
from
zoom
or
telephonic.
B
You
very
much
miss
jacobs,
no.
C
B
Okay:
let's
go
to
mr
pools.
N
Yeah,
just
real
quick.
I
think
I
think
there
may
have
been
a
misunderstanding.
I
wasn't
blaming
ron
or
anyone
in
the
finance
department
if,
if,
in
fact,
the
finance
department
is
the
least
culpable
in
all
this,
because
they
I
was
just
showing
trying
to
explain
how
the
process
works,
they're
they're
the
last
line,
they
just
simply
process,
what's
giving
to
them.
There's
two
signatures
on
that
the
pa
forms
before
it
gets
to
them.
That's
that's
the
point.
I
was
trying
to
make
it's
more
an
example
than
anything
else.
N
I
think
ron's
a
great
finance
director
and
is
actually
one
of
my
favorite
people
here
to
be
honest
with
you,
ma'am
thank.
B
You,
mr
coolest,
okay:
let's
go
to
a
motion
to
accept
the
findings
and
the
second
place.
B
Second,
second:
okay:
let's
go
to
commission
comments.
I'm
gonna
start
with
vice
mayor
lon.
Just
go
down
the
road
by
seniority.
C
Well,
needless
to
say,
I
was
excuse
me
not
all
pleasantly
surprised
when
I
saw
this,
I
want
to
say
a
couple
of
things
about
your
report.
It's
thorough.
I
appreciate
your
thoroughness,
I'm
not
quite
sure.
I
appreciated
some
of
your
vernacular
and
tone.
I
expect
you
to
be
thorough
and
impartial.
C
Having
said
that,
you
did
your
job,
you
might
want
to
tone
down
the
rhetoric
some
at
further
times,
but
but
I'm
happy
to
see
the
thoroughness
that
you
you
presented
to
us.
Thank
you.
B
Thank
you
very
much,
commissioner
carr.
J
Yeah
I'll
try
to
keep
this
one
short
at
the
end
of
the
day.
I
don't
think
this
was
malicious
or
intentional,
but
billy.
I
really
appreciate
the
report
and
the
details
that
you
provided
there's
a
substantial
amount
of
pages
that
you
put
in
there
and
a
lot
of
time.
So
I
think
it's
important
what
you
did.
I
do
value
what
you
did,
keeping
it
short
city
manager.
J
J
So
I
that's
not
good.
In
my
opinion,
I
do
want
to
say
the
mayor
sent
out
a
memorandum
and
I
think
it
was
really
I
agree
with
it
completely.
He
had
a
lot
of
great
points
in
there
and
it's
in
the
back
up
as
well
too,
so
the
public
can
read
all
that
information
billy.
What's
the
next
step,
I'm
assuming
you're
going
to
do
a
follow-up
and
then
there's
going
to
be
to
see
if
the
controls
were
put
into
place
to
prevent
this
type
of
information
from
happening
again
right.
N
Yeah
yeah,
yes,
yes
or
no,
it's
really.
I
mean
it
really
comes
down
to
what
the
board
wants
to
do.
If
the
board
wants
to
entertain
a
policy,
that's
that's.
You
know
the
board's
discretion.
I
know
where
I
stand
on
it.
I
think
it's
just
I.
I
don't
agree
with
it
but,
like
I
said
no
one
elected
me,
you
all
have
to
make
a
decision.
If
you
go
down
that
road
and
you
want
to
entertain
a
policy,
then
I'll
wait
for
that.
I
haven't
seen
a
draft
policy.
N
I've
heard
a
lot
of
chatter
about
them,
but
I
haven't
seen
one.
So
it's
really.
My
next
move
is
based
on
what
the
board
decides
here
this
evening.
Whether
you
want
to
stop
this
today
or
you
want
to
you,
want
to
entertain
a
policy
going
forward.
J
So
I'll,
just
I'll
touch
on
real
quick
I've
been
through
a
lot
of
audits,
myself
and
being
a
publicly
traded
company.
We
have
to
go
through
a
lot
of
audits,
it's
not
the
most
exciting
thing
in
the
world
and
it's
not
always
fun
to
get
the
different
reports
that
come
to
upper
management,
but
we
do
have
to
figure
out
the
policy.
We
have
to
figure
out
what
the
next
steps
are
and
how
to
address
it.
At
the
end
of
the
day,
do
I
think
it
was
malicious?
I
said?
J
No,
I
don't
think
it's
malicious.
Do
I
think
it's
intentional,
not
necessarily
it's
a
practice
that
happened
for
many
years,
but
that's
not
the
reason
to
say
it's
been
done
for
this
we've
always
done
it.
This
way
doesn't
mean
that
we
actually
continue
to
do
it.
This
way,
do
we
figure
it
out
and
say:
do
they
earn
these
dollars?
Should
they
be
paid
it?
If
the
answer
is
yes,
we
need
to
pay
them
and
we
need
to
codify
it.
J
We
need
to
put
in
a
policy
and
we
put
in
procedures
if
the
procedures
are
lost
if
they've
been
misplaced
or
something
along
those
lines,
now's
the
time
to
fix
it.
So
with
that,
I'm
just
saying:
tighten
the
ship
and
let's
fix
it
and
let's
move
forward,
and
that's
really
the
just
I
have
to
say,
and
thanks
to
to
billy
and
also
thanks
to
our
fire
chief
and
department.
I
think
you
guys
are
a
tremendous
job.
J
This
has
no
indication
of,
I
think,
the
the
quality
of
work
that
you
all
do
it
just
comes
down
to
policy
at
the
end
of
the
day
and
it's
time
for
us
to
tighten
the
ship
a
little
bit
more.
So
thank
you.
A
I
have
just
a
couple
of
things
I
want
to
touch
base
on,
because
this
is
quite
a
in-depth
presentation
here,
so
there
were
comments
that
were
the
additional
certificate
allowance
pays
have
been
afforded
to
qualified
chiefs
executive
staff
as
past
prep
practice
established
in
the
early
90s.
A
A
There
were
comments
in
defense
that
the
conduct
other
essential
inspections,
such
as
final
inspections
on
the
following
fire,
alarms,
sprinklers
hood
inspections,
building
inspections
and
rough-ins
with
a
reason
for
the
response,
but
that
should
be
documented.
A
So
if
it's
not
documented,
it
should
not
have
been
a
payable
item.
So
you
know
wrong
is
wrong
and
to
try
to
change
this
or
to
accommodate
it
or
to
say
this
is
the
way
it's
always
been.
I
mean
I
can
make
a
million
analogies
here.
That
would
be
horrific.
I
didn't
I
told
the
fire
chief
as
much
as
I
respect
him
and
I
appreciate
the
work
he's
done.
A
A
N
A
Say
that
it
doesn't
say
that
in
the
contract,
so
when
you
just
put
out
a
word
that
sounds
good
on
paper,
but
isn't
what
you've
negotiated
it's
of
no
value,
I
mean
I
I
don't
know
it
was
so
preposterous
to
hear
these
accusations
and
the
responses.
A
A
There
was
you
know,
comments
made
in
here.
Like
I
said
I
highlighted
them
all.
I
could
sit
and
read
them
all,
not
one
of
them.
I
mean
I
spoke
with
the
chief
he
explained
to
me
and-
and
I
did
agree
with
him-
that
there
was
covert
related
issues
that
went
on,
but
my
comment
to
him
was:
you
should
have
documented.
I
couldn't
make
so
and
so
couldn't
make
those
inspections,
because
they
were
dealing
with
coven
and
I
would
say
that's
golden
that's
great.
A
I
would
agree
with
you,
but
when
you
give
me
no
reason
for
it
and
there's
no
documentation
to
back
it
up
and
you're,
only
it's
making
reasons
for
it
once
your
court.
If
you
want
to
use
that
word,
that's
not
good!
That's
not
when
you
have
to
make
these
things
prior
to
an
audit
so
that
everybody
I'll
go
back
to
my
line
optics
optics
optics,
because
nobody
in
this
room
liked
hearing
what
we
just
presented
and
I'm
not
looking
to
throw
anybody
under
the
bus.
A
You
know
I'm
here
making
8
000
a
year,
but
I
mean
I
think,
I'm
worth
more.
Do
I
steal
it
to
make
more,
I
mean
that's.
That
was
the
comment
that
that
I'm
trying
to
relate
to
and
it's
not
it's
not
a
good
comment.
A
A
So
that's
that's
my
take
on
this.
I
mean
I
could
write
a
report
on
it.
It's
just
it's
a
horrible
report.
It's
not
good.
M
Thank
you
mayor.
First,
I
want
to
thank
our
internal
auditor,
mr
bulos.
It's
not
easy
to
come
up
here
and
give
reports
that
may
unsettle
some
people,
but
he
was
voted
in
by
the
people
of
tarpon
springs
each
and
every
one
of
you
made
a
decision
that
you
wanted
internal
auditor
and
it
took
a
long
time
for
us
to
finally
get
one
through
the
charter
revision
and
going
back
and
forth.
So
the
sport
is
very
thankful
to
have
you
I
did
want
to
mention.
M
N
Yeah,
yes,
it's
a
it's
a
hard
cap,
twelve
thousand
dollar
maximum
or
sailing.
If
you
will
in
the
in
the
union
contract,
so
you
can't
cumulatively,
you
can't
spend
more
than
twelve
thousand
dollars
on
on
pay
the
pay
additives
and
what
they
do
is.
If
you
look
at
their
internal
spreadsheet,
they
separate
it
out.
One
tab
will
say:
executive
staff,
the
other
one
will
say
you
know
I
I
I
a
ff
employees.
So
when
you
look
at
them,
one
says,
like
you
know
the
the
the
the
I
the
union
employees.
N
Basically
it's
you
know
eight
thousand
dollars
in
change
or
something
and
then
the
executive
employees,
the
totals
you
know
five
thousand
and
change.
So
when
you
look
at
him,
you
know
if
you
just
look
at
him
quickly.
He'd
say
yeah
yeah,
yeah
they're
under
the
twelve
thousand
dollar
cap.
But
then,
when
you
start
looking,
you
say:
wait,
wait,
wait,
wait,
wait!
A
minute!
It's
coming
from
the
same
pile
of
money.
There's
no
separate
account!
It's
it's
all
coming
from
the
same
account
so
they're
in
essence,
not
in
compliance
with
the
union
contract.
M
I
thought
the
tone
was
the
tone:
it's
it's
what
it
needed
to
be,
and
we've
heard
the
word
tradition.
I'm
gonna
use
a
different
word
and
call
it
culture.
M
M
Some
of
the
pay
adders
for
the
executive
staff
or
our
chief
were
last
filled
out
in
or
I
would
ask
that
when
a
pay
additive
stops
and
it
has
to
be
given
out
again,
a
form
needs
to
be
filled
out
again.
The
payout
of
the
forms
don't
take
a
long
time
to
fill
out
if
they
have
to
be
done,
monthly
or
quarterly
or
annually.
I
believe
we
need
to
do
it
in
all
departments
and
we're
not
going
back
we're
not
going
to
try
to
recoup
funds
we're
just
going
to
move
forward
and
transition.
M
This
culture,
a
little
bit
in
the
future,
but
any
external
auditor
would
have
just
came
in
here-
done
a
couple,
simple
checks
and
balances
and
called
it
a
day
that
way
they
can
get
the
contract
again
the
following
year.
So
thank
you
for
the
report
and
that's
it.
B
Okay,
thank
you,
mr
poulos.
I
you're
doing
what
exactly
what
we
brought
you
on
board
to
do
so
I
I
want
to
congratulate
you
on
that
and
it's
a
revelation
and-
and
we
haven't
had
a
good
entire
internal
auditor
for
24
years
since
mr
katera
left,
and
this
is
the
reason
why
I
pressed
on
having
an
internal
auditor.
So
you
know
I
I'm
glad
that
you're
proud
of
what
you
did.
You
should
be
so
and
also
I've
made
it
clear
to
chief
young
he
and
his
fire
department.
B
N
B
There
may
be
some
evidence
that
it
started
earlier
than
that,
but
it's
for
me.
It
started
with
a
reorganization
in
2002
and
there
was
a
little
bit
of
discussion
on
that.
So
I
also
basically
it
is
what
it
is,
and
I
know
the
city
managers
offered
a
couple
of
changes
that
he
would
like
to
do.
B
I
asked
him
if
he
would
get
with
the
city
attorney
and
talk
those
over
with
regard
to
how
to
proceed
in
that,
and
I
think
he's
going
to
do
that.
Also,
there
needs
to
be
a
compliance
statement
with
you
from
you
as
far
as
whether,
whatever
changes
are
brought
forward
proposed
that
that
would
be
that
it
would
comply
in
resolving
the
deficiencies
as
as
you've
seen
them.
I
understand,
and
so
I
I
I
think
when
we
all
ran
for
election
this
time
we
ran
on
a
platform
of
change.
B
I
think
this
is
evidence
of
that,
and-
and
it
won't
be
the
last
audit
that
we'll
see
like
this
and-
and
I
I
think
it's
just
a
matter
of-
I
don't
want
to
call
it
cleaning
things
up,
but
putting
things
in
order
and-
and
I
don't
want
to
go-
I
don't
want
to
describe
her
or
say
anything
more
than
that.
B
I
just
say
that
we
all
recognize
where
the
issues
are,
and
I
think
that
we
need
to
have
our
conversations
with
the
staff,
mr
pulos,
the
city
manager
and
then
just
move
forward
from
here.
I
I
don't
want
to
dwell
on
this.
We've
got
an
excellent
fire
department
that
is
in
the
top
95
percent
of
in
the
country
for
public
protection.
So
it's
not
an
issue
that
they're
not
being
paid
or
that
they're
being
paid
they're
not
doing
the
job.
B
They
are
the
best
that
there
is
so
I
want
to
make
sure
that
that's
clear
and
we
should
all
be
proud
of
them.
For
that.
So
that's
all
I
have
to
say
and
and
if
there
are
no
other
comments,
I'd
like
to
have
roll
call.
Please.
B
J
I
think
it's
important
that
it's
tested
with
any
additional
controls
ever
put
in
place.
I
don't
know
what
that
testing
would
be
or
how
long
it's
typically
done.
I
would
ask
the
city
otter
if
he
has
a
recommendation
to
to
test
it
again
at
some
point.
N
Oh
call
it
because
they
pay
him
every
every
month.
So
let's
say,
let's
say
90
days,
90
days
to
make
sure
I
can
go
short.
It
doesn't
matter
to
me,
but
I
know
they
do
it.
Every
they're
paid
out
every
month
to
pay
additives,
so
it
wouldn't
make
sense.
They
say
30
days
so
I'd
say
at
least
60
to
90,
and
I
can
come
back
to
it
with
the
t
with
a
an
interim
report.
N
B
J
So
yeah
just
I
would.
I
would
ask
that
there
would
be
a
testing
of
the
controls
in
place
within
180
days.
That
would
be
added
to
the
motion.
B
With
that's
fine
just
to
move
on
this
evening,
I
I
think
the
city
manager
is
going
to
have
to
come
back
for
approval
on
whatever
we
whatever
is
decided,
along
with
a
a
statement
by
mr
poulos
that
it
complies.
But
let's
go
ahead
and
if
who
made
the
motion
yeah,
you
did
so
you
permitted
that
to
reflect
that.
As
would
the
second
reflect
that
as
well,
who
made
the
second
on
that
motion
that.
Q
B
Yes,
all
right
we're
going
to
close
this
part
of
the
meeting
and
go
to
the
ordinances
and
resolutions,
and
I
miscalculated
the
intensity
of
this
last
item.
We
should
have
started
on
that
at
7
30,
so
I
want
to
apologize
that
everybody
that's
been
patiently
waiting
for
this.
So
what
I'd
like
to
do
is
get
number
11
out
of
the
way
and
then
take
a
five
minute
break
and
then
pick
up
these
others.
So,
mr
trask,
if
you
could
read
the
ordinance
2022-07
by
title,
please.
D
Yes
mayor,
this
is
ordinance
2022-07
in
order
to
the
city
of
tarpon
springs
florida,
mending
section
8-12
of
the
code
of
ordinances
by
adding
the
definition
of
administrator
advertising
agreement,
applicable
law,
biomedical
waste,
bulky
waste
and
contractor
there
too
commanding
section
8-16
16b2b
to
provide
that
tied,
bundles
garbage
bags
or
cans
of
yard.
Waste
should
not
exceed
75
pounds.
D
Amending
section
8-21
to
provide
that
debris
and
trash
from
ordinary
trimming
care
and
upkeep
of
yards
be
placed
in
bags,
are
lightweight
containers
not
to
exceed
75
pounds
and
providing
for
the
effect
of
this
ordinance.
That
was
the
second
and
final
reading
of
wardens
2022-07
by
title.
Only.
It
was
published
in
the
tampa
bay
times
by
title
only
on
april
27
2022..
B
Mr
trask,
mr
la
course,
if
I
may
go
to
ms
lewis
and
see
if
she's
got
anything
that
she'd
like
to
yeah.
Thank
you.
L
B
Thank
you.
Are
there
any
public
comments
from
anyone
here
in
attendance?
C
B
Right:
okay:
let's
have
a
motion.
B
C
B
C
A
B
R
B
It's
a
quasi-judicial
procedure
and
mr
trask,
if
I
could
ask
you
to
read
the
go
through
the
instructions
and
swear
everybody
in
that's
here
for
this
item.
Okay,.
D
These
are
the
causational
procedures
we'll
be
using
tonight.
This
is
a
causation
proceeding
where
the
board
of
commissioners
acts
in
a
cause.
Judicial
rather
than
a
legislative
capacity
at
this
quasi-digital
hearing
is
not
the
board's
function
to
make
law,
but
rather
to
apply
law
that
has
already
been
established
in
a
quasi-judicial
hearing.
D
The
board
is
required
by
law
to
make
findings
of
fact,
based
upon
the
evidence
presented
at
the
hearing
and
apply
those
findings
of
fact
to
previously
established
criteria
containing
the
code
of
ordinances
in
order
to
make
a
legal
decision
regarding
the
application
before
it.
The
board
may
only
consider
evidence
at
this
hearing
that
the
law
considers
competent,
substantial
and
relevant
to
the
issues.
D
By
the
same
token,
if
the
competent
substantial
relevant
evidence
that
the
hearing
demonstrates
that
the
applicant
has
failed
to
meet
the
criteria
establishing
code
of
ordinances,
then
the
board
is
required
by
law
defined
against
the
applicant.
With
that
being
said,
anyone
that's
going
to
speak
on
this
agenda
item
today.
If
you
could
stand
up,
I'm
going
to
swear
you
under
oath
anyone,
that's
going
to
speak!
D
B
Mr
trusk,
ms
vincent,
if
I
may
see
manager,
of
course,
ms
vincent
the
applicant,
is
here.
C
B
Okay,
was
there
any
new
information
that
the
that
we
received
from
the
applicant
that
was
not
provided
to
the
planning
and
zoning
commission.
L
F
L
This
application
is
a
conditional
use
for
specifically
to
address
an
alternative,
dimensional
plan,
so
the
use
itself,
I'm
just
going
to
give
a
little
bit
of
an
overview.
The
use
itself
of
mult
of
multi-family
is
a
permitted
use
by
right
in
this
particular
zoning
district.
So
the
applicant
could
come
forward
with
a
site
plan
for
permitted
use
that
meets
all
the
dimensional
criteria,
and
that
would
be
a
different.
L
You
know
a
different
type
of
review
in
this
instance
in
order
to
address
the
the
applicant's
desire
to
do
a
more
urban
project,
they're
asking
to
utilize
the
the
conditional
use
review
process
specifically
to
address
dimensional
criteria,
so
I
just
want
to
provide
that
little
bit
of
an
overview.
The
property
is
located
this
in
these
these
this
application,
the
next
application
are
with
the
same
applicant
they're,
very
similar.
L
So
a
lot
of
the
conditions
and
everything
will
be
will
be
very
similar,
so
this
particular
project
site
is
at
the
northeast
corner
of
south
coast
avenue
and
boyer
street.
So
this
is
the
site
here,
it's
vacant,
the.
As
I
said,
the
property
is
zoned
residential
multi-family
and
the
land
use
is
residential
medium
at
15
units
per
acre.
L
I
already
gave
a
little
bit
of
a
an
overview
of
this,
so
the
proposed
modifications,
through
the
condition
through
the
conditional
use
process
for
the
alternative
dimensional,
would
modify
the
required
front
yard,
side,
yard
and
rear
yards
height
is
not
affected.
In
this
instance.
This
will
be
a
one-story
development.
L
So
this
is
the
kind
of
the
overview
site
plan,
so
the
project
contains
six
units,
so
three
of
them
fronting
on
gross
and
three
fronting
on
boyer.
It
takes
its
access
for
the
parking
off
of
the
12
foot
plated
12
foot
alley.
L
The
application,
as
it's
presented
now,
does
observe
all
of
the
required
visibility
triangles.
So
you
see
those
at
the
intersections.
You
have
good
good
visibility
as
well
as,
along
with
the
out.
You
know,
with
the
alley
proposed
retention,
so
I
do
want
to
state.
This
will
come
back
if
the
conditional
use
gets
approved
for
the
dimensionals.
L
Looking
at
this,
just
we
color
coded
this,
so
it
was
a
little
clearer.
These
kind
of
orange
shaded
areas,
those
are
actually
porches
and
the
darker
orange
are
the
sidewalk
connections
out
to
the
main
sidewalks.
So
there's
dual
entrances,
so
you
have
your
entrances
from
the
rear
for
each
unit
from
the
parking
lot,
but
you
also
have
this
element
of
fronting
on
the
street,
which
is
very
desirable.
It
also
provides
building
articulation
so
you're
not
getting
a
flat
wall
effect
with
the
street.
L
L
So
I
wouldn't
say
this
is
unusual
or
difficult,
but
they
are
asking
for
a
unique
residential
project,
and
this
is
really
a
project
that
you
would
see
and
would,
and
these
criteria
dimensionals
would
be
permitted
in
this
special
area
plan
in
probably
95
percent
of
the
districts,
so
they're
wanting
to
do
a
more
urban
project-
and
this
is
this
product-
is
exactly
adjacent
to
the
special
area
plan.
So
the
context
is
in
you
know
when,
from
staff's
review
of
this
is
appropriate
to
apply
this
type
of
urban
design
for
this
project.
L
What's
being
proposed,
our
front
yard
set
a
front
yard
setback
of
four,
this
minimum
side
of
three
and
a
half
3.6
almost
and
a
minimum
of
3.33,
so
those
will
be
minimums
as
we
go
through
the
site
plan
process,
those
may
get
increased
to
form
more
setback,
but
they
can't
get
any
less
than
what's
being
proposed
and
the
height
of
the
project
is
17
feet.
It
is
a
single
story
project
I
mean
here's
where
those
those
setbacks
are
how
they're
being
measured.
L
So
your
minimum
along
the
gross
street
is
is
four
feet,
but
again
you
have
this
building
articulation,
so
it's
not
the
entire
frontage
and
they
will
have
to
adhere
to
this
from
a
concept
site
plan
standpoint
as
it
goes
back,
so
they
can't
come
back
and
have
it
be.
You
know
blank.
You
know
solid
wall
at
four
feet.
They
have
to
comport
to
this
through
the
conceptual
plans
that
you're
seeing
when
it
comes
back
for
full
site
plan
review.
L
And
this
is
some
more
detail.
This
shows
the
layouts
of
the
interior
layouts
of
the
units.
You
know
how
they
access
from
the
property,
as
well
as
to
the
from
the
parking,
as
well
as
from
the
front
and
the
conceptual
landscaping
plan,
the
again
the
visibility
triangles
and
you
do
have
large
open
space
areas.
L
You
know
along
these
street
furnaces
that
break
up
you
know,
so
you
don't
have
building
frontage,
you
know
through
the
entire
project,
and
then
this
is
just
a
cross
section
really
from
so
from
the
from
the
curb
and
this
to
the
property
line.
You
know,
you've
got
10
feet,
the
sidewalk
is
in
there
and
then
you
have
your
your
setback
and
then
what
this
is
showing.
L
L
L
Just
a
little
context,
so
these
are
this:
is
the
tarpon
springs?
Housing
authority
property?
This
is
the
subject
property
across
the
street,
so
these
are
multi-family.
L
L
This
is
a
single
family
house,
moderate
setback.
This
is
probably
a
side
yard
setback
issue,
and
then
you
have
this
commercial
structure
that
fronts
on
lemon,
but
this
is
what
we
don't
want.
We
don't
want
back
of
sidewalk
and
no
building
articulation
at
all.
That's
not
what
we
want
to
encourage.
So
that's
not
what
we're
trying
to
achieve
with
this
with
this
particular
site
plan
and
just
some
additional
views
view
shots.
L
So
the
conditional
use
criteria
that
we're
required
to
review
for
this
are
conformance
with
the
land
development
code.
You
know
I'm
not
going
to
try
to
read
through
all
of
these,
but
does
it
conform
with
the
land
development
code?
Is
the
approach?
Is
the
use
appropriate
to
the
property
and
compatible
with
the
area
and
again
keep
in
mind
that
we're
looking
at
you're?
Looking
at
this
in
context
of
these
dimensional
setbacks,
the
use
itself
is
permitted.
It's
whether
or
not
it's
a
the
design
is
appropriate
for
the
areas.
L
L
Would
it
adversely
impact
the
city's
ability
to
serve
public
facilities
and
does
it
promote
efficient
and
orderly
development,
so
I'll
go
back
a
little
bit
so,
in
conformance
with
the
land
development
code,
we
did
look
at
this
from
the
standpoint
of
you
know
the
services
that
need
to
be
provided
and
and
functionally
does
it
does
it
work.
So
obviously
we're
asking
for
the
the
conditional
used
to
wave
not
wave
but
alter
the
dimensions,
but
in
all
other
respects
it
does
comport
with
the
with
the
land
development
code
compatibility.
L
This
area
is
it's
a
mixed
use
area.
You
have
single
family,
you
have
multi-family,
you
have
some
two-story,
you
have
some
things
that
are
closer
to
the
street,
so
it's
a
very
mixed
use
area.
From
that
standpoint,
we
think
it's.
It
is
compatible
with
the
area.
We
don't
see
any
issues
in
terms
of
consistency
with
the
comprehensive
plan
or
adversely
an
adverse
impact
to
historical
or
environmental
resources.
L
Again,
we
don't
think
this
will
affect
adversely
affected
joining
property
values.
It's.
It
is
complementary
to
the
area
and
we
have
no
issues
with
providing
public
facilities
to
the
project.
The
one
thing
I
do
want
to
talk
about
and
I'll
talk
about
this
on
the
next
one
as
well.
The
one
criteria
in
terms
of
provision
of
waste
management
services
needs
a
more
in-depth
look
at
this
point.
I
think
we
do
want
to
put
an
additional
condition
on
this
application
as
well
as
the
next
one.
L
That's
that's,
basically
states
an
acceptable
waste
management
solution
has
to
be
provided
that
doesn't
rely
on
alley
access.
We
do
not
want
to
have
to
put
trucks
down
the
alley
to
to
pick
up
and
right
now
the
solution
is
for
toters.
I
think
the
solution
is
the
the
thing
that
we
want
to
nail
down
is
because
the
site
plan
process
and
come
back
is
what's
the
right
place
for
those.
How
are
they
screened?
And
things
like
that?
L
So
the
staff
recommendation
is
to
approve
this
based
on
the
criteria.
That's
in
the
staff
report.
We
do
recommend
two
conditions.
The
proposed
setback
shall
be
considered
the
minimum
required
and
may
be
increased
if
necessary
during
the
site
plan
process,
meaning
that
the
setback
would
get
larger.
It
can't
get
smaller,
so
we're
not
increasing
the
non-conformity,
we're
making.
L
It
would
move
it
only
toward
an
increased
setback
for
for
more
yard
and
then
the
second
week
buffering
of
the
parking
lot
from
adjacent
properties
still
be
addressed
during
the
site
plan
process,
and
then
again,
I
would
recommend
a
third
condition
that
an
acceptable
waste
management
solution
be
the
right
word
is:
you
must
have
an
acceptable
waste
management
solution
that
does
not
rely
on
use
of
the
alleys
in
for
for
the
service,
this
application
and
the
the
following
application
both
initially
went
to
the
planning
and
zoning
board
for
review.
L
This
one
was,
I
think
this
is
the
one
that
was
hold
on
check.
My
notes.
L
This
was
the
application
that
was
initially
they
withdrew,
this
one
and
and
but
based
on
the
the
other
actions
on
the
other
application
that
application
was
initially
denied,
and
since
these
were
really
running
together,
they
opted
to
withdraw
this
application.
They
amended
the
the
existing
the
the
first
one.
L
It
did
all
that
to
respond
to
the
the
board,
the
planning
and
zoning
boards
concerns,
and
so
they
modified
the
drawings,
and
we
went
back
to
the
planning
zoning
board
with
both
of
them
and
both
of
them
were
recommended
for
approval
based
on
the
planning
and
zoning
board
comments,
so
they
responded
to
their
to
their
their
concerns.
Initially,
these
were
you
know,
like
you
know,
had
even
smaller
setbacks,
so
they
push
them
back.
L
They
massage
they
move
some
things
around,
so
the
planning
and
zoning
board
was
did
recommend
approval
on
the
second
go-round
for
both
of
these
applications.
L
B
Can
we
go
to
commissioner
questions
vice
mayor
elon?
Do
you
have
any
questions
for
ms
vincent.
L
Actually
believe
it
or
not,
the
the
the
multi-family,
the
housing
authority
properties,
they
actually
have
individual
trash
cans
that
they
bring
out
to
the
to
the
curb
just
like
we
do
for
our
homes,
so
we'll
work
with
them
on
that
solution.
I.
C
L
That's
something
that
we're
going
to
the
applicant's
going
to
have
to
address.
When
we
go
through
site
plan
review,
they
may
be
able
to
to
tweak
the
actual
footprint
of
the
buildings
a
little
bit.
They
may
be
able
to
put
them
in
the
back
for
each
unit
and
then
they
get
pulled
out
yeah.
So
that
that's
why
I'm
saying
I
think
that's
that
needs
to
be
a
condition
of
approval,
but
I
think
we
need
to
give
them
the
chance
to
work
with.
C
J
Thanks
mayor
renee,
just
to
reiterate,
this
is
a
conditional
use
because
they
don't
meet
the
setbacks
with
their
design
right.
Yes,
sir
okay
and
it's
outside
of
the
special
area
plan,
it
is
okay,.
J
L
J
You
stated
I
can't
find
it
right
now,
but
okay,
so
it's
accommodate
unique
residential
projects
are
unusual
or
difficult
projects.
So
it's
a
difficult
project,
unique
because
they're
trying
to
put
more
units
on
this
piece
of
property
that
don't
fit
the
setbacks
right.
L
L
L
When
we
we
work
with
them
to
okay,
you
have
an
opportunity
you
can
try
conditional
use
for
you
know
to
for
the
alternative
dimensional
plan
to
to
do
the
type
of
project
that
you
want
to
do
and
which
we
think
is
complementary
to
the
area
versus
parking
out
in
the
front,
and
you
know
they,
you
know
and
keeping
it
at
one
story,
which
is,
you
know,
probably
more
compatible
with
the
area.
Yes,
you've
got
the
two-story
at
with
the
housing
authorities.
Those
were
built
back
in
the
80s,
those
are
set
back.
L
J
Yeah,
I
understand
that
designed
issues
with
the
amount
of
units
put
on
the
property,
so
if
they
need
to
go
as
many
as
units,
you
wouldn't
necessarily
have
those
design
issues
in.
L
L
You
know
pull
these
to
the
street
without
without
relief,
no
matter
how
many
units
there
are
and
that's
the
product
that
they're
trying
to
to
achieve.
I
mean
it's:
it's
six
single
phases:
six,
six
apartments,
yeah.
C
A
I
read
through
this.
I
have
no
real
issues
with
this,
and
especially
I
was
really
enthused
to
see
that
our
planning
and
zoning,
which
I
have
great
respect
for
voted
unanimously
for
it.
So
that's
all
the
questions
I
have
thank
you.
M
I
just
want
to
state
in
a
question
where
I
had
asked
about
setbacks
and
renee
was
able
to
explain
to
me
that
the
development
standards
of
the
smart
code
are
intended
to
promote
vibrant
walkable
pedestrian
environment.
M
This
is
generally
achieved
through
the
smaller
front
setbacks
parking
to
the
rear
of
the
site
and
screen
from
view
and
frequent
pedestrian
connections
between
the
buildings
and
the
public
sidewalks,
so
understanding
that
code,
I
could
see
how
the
layout
was
given
and
I'm
happy
to
see
that
the
setbacks
can't
get
closer
to
the
road,
but
that
should
be
pushed
back
more.
So
thank
you.
B
Okay,
thank
you,
ms
vincent.
I
assume
all
the
trees
are
going
to
be
gone
off.
This
lot
is
that
correct.
L
B
For
for
our
staff's
purposes,
if
they
are
there's,
there's
appears
to
be
four
oak
trees
that
are
nine
to
ten
inch
caliper,
which
would
be
ideal
for
a
tree
spade,
and
would
it
be
possible
to
pursue
that
with
our
tree?
Spade
effort.
B
Thank
you
in
the
conditional
use.
This
isn't
related
to
the
conditional
use
in
lieu
of
a
land
use
amendment.
Is
that
right,
it's
a
different.
B
Okay,
that's
all
I
have.
Could
the
applicant
come
forward,
please.
P
Well,
actually,
our
engineer
sick
yesterday
and
couldn't
make
it
tonight,
so
I
really
wasn't
aware
how
the
process
works
or
what
needs
to
be
addressed,
but
I'll
do
the
best.
I
can
to
answer
any
questions.
I
can,
if
there's
anything
that
I
couldn't
I'd,
ask
that
maybe
we
could
defer
for
when
he's
available.
Well.
B
Let
me
let
me
move
on
then.
If
you
could
state
your
name,
please
an
address
jose.
B
Thank
you,
I'm
assuming
by
what
you're
saying
you
wrote,
you
don't
really
have
a
a
a
report.
An
applicant
report
that
you
would
like
to
make
this
evening
is
that
correct.
B
That's
fine:
let's
go
with
any
commissioner
comments
or
questions
that
you
have
for
the
applicant
vice
mayor
lot.
C
No,
I
think
I'm
satisfied
at
this
time
as
long
as
you're
aware
of
the
fact
that
I
have
some
reservation
about
alley
use
and
the
the
fact
that
the
alleyways
on
your
plantings
were
not
accurate
to
the
plant,
and
so
as
long
as
those
are
amended
by
the
final
plan.
I'll
be
satisfied.
I'd.
J
Thanks
for
being
here
tonight,
are
you
the
owner
or
just
an
agent
or
who
are
you
owner?
Okay,
all
right
great?
So
what
was
the
goal
with
these
projects?
Again,
the
design
looks
great.
I
I
think
I've
expressed
some
heartburn
on
some
items
to
city
staff.
So
what's
the
goal
to
to
get
a
certain
amount
of
homes
on
the
site,
or
was
the
goal
just
to
have
a
nice
project?
With
I
mean,
can
you
help
me
understand
that
sure.
P
I
mean
the
number
of
units
is
already
permitted,
but
to
have
it
in
that
urban
setting
was
something
that
was
appealing
a
little
bit
more
to
us
than
to
have
it
designed
the
other
way.
So
it
was
suggested
that
we
pursue
the
alternative,
dimensional
criteria
and
that
just
allowed
it
to
be
more
vibrant.
I
guess
on
the
street
sidewalk
cars
in
the
backyard.
P
It
didn't
really
make
a
difference.
It
was
just
this
was
really
what
appealed
to
us.
Okay
and
hopefully
you
know
it
appeals
to
everybody,
and
if
it
isn't,
then.
J
I
would
hope
that
during
the
site
plan
design
that
you
would
find
some
areas
of
setback
that
weren't
that,
as
close
as
they
are,
you
literally
have
going
to
every
point
of
the
property
up
against
edge
and
I
think
there's
a
difference
there.
So
would
you
take
that
in
consideration
for
the
sight
plane.
P
B
M
You,
sir,
this
project
right
here.
It's
six
buildings
is
that
three
bedrooms,
two
baths
I
see
or
yes,
what
is
the
expected
monthly
rents
for
the
units
of
this
project.
M
Okay
and
you're
familiar
that
this
area
is
on
a
census
tract
that
would
be
considered
as
being
the
area,
medium
income
limitations
to
qualify
for
state
and
federal
income
subsidies
for
the
affordable
housing
purposes.
M
B
I
I
thank
you,
mr
commissioner,
specifically
on
that.
Is
this
going
to
be
subsidized
housing,
meaning
subsidy?
In
other
words,.
P
B
Seeking
federal
grants
to
supplement
the
rent
that
others
would
be
able
to
pay,
or
is
this
going
to
be
arm's
length.
P
B
Yeah,
okay,
I
don't
know
if
commissioner
couliaro
has
these
are
all
three-bedroom
correct
and
and
that's
basically
you
you
feel
comfortable
with
that
market.
All
three
bedrooms:
okay,
and
what's
your
time
frame
for
this.
C
B
B
Let's
go
to
public
comments.
Does
anyone
in
the
public
have
a
comment
on
this
project.
B
Okay,
well,
let's
close
a
public
hearing
and
before
we
move
to
a
motion.
B
I'd
like
to
remind
the
commission
that
ms
vincent
asked
for
another
condition
to
be
placed
on
the
two
that
she's
listed
in
the
staff
report,
which
would
be
to
for
waste
management
for
the
applicant
to
work
with
waste
management
to
come
up
for
with
a
solution
as
part
of
the
site
planning
process
for
picking
up
waste.
B
N
B
The
conditions
added
to
that
that
one
I
just
listed
in
addition
to
those
that
ms
vinson
had
in
the
staff
report.
In
addition,
the
condition
okay,
is
that
acceptable,
mr
trask.
B
D
So
there
are
three
conditions:
the
first
one
is,
the
proposed
setback
should
be
considered
the
minimum
required
and
maybe
increase,
if
necessary,
during
the
site
plan
process.
Condition.
Number
two
was
buffering
of
the
parking
lot
from
adjacent
properties
shall
be
addressed
during
the
site
plan
process
in
the
third
condition.
That
was
added
that
I
didn't
write
down,
but
it
is
that
the
applicant
developer
will
work
with
our
our
garbage
company
and
come
up
with
a
workable
solution
for
the
placement
of
the
totes
or
roll-offs
or
whatever
they're
called.
B
J
Yeah,
I
mean
I'll
just
be
clear.
I
do
think
that
the
setbacks
on
three
of
the
four
boundaries
is
is
something
that
we
should
throw
caution
to
do.
I
think
it's
unique.
I
do
think
it's
unique.
Do
I
think
it's
a
nice
design.
I
do
think
it's
a
nice
design.
I
appreciate
that,
but
I
do
just.
Is
it
compatible
to
the
neighborhood
there's
multi-family
across
the
street
single
family
across
the
street,
one
story
and
two-story,
but
the
struggle
is
a
setback
for
me
and
that's
something
I'm
having
it's.
J
Definitely
some
heartburn
with
with
the
project.
Is
it
going
to
be
beneficial
to
the
area
at
100
percent?
Is
it
going
to
be
a
uplift
to
the
community
100,
but
that
is
just
a
concern
that
I
think
we
should
taking
can
take
into
consideration,
especially
with
the
current
zoning
and
the
in
the
neighborhood,
and
also
that
it's
not
in
the
special
area
plane,
although
it's
close
to
it,
it's
right
against
it,
but
it's
not
in
the
area,
especially
airplanes.
So
we
have
to
remember
that
too.
J
So
just
I
hope
that
we
could
take
that
into
consideration.
Hope
the
applicant
really
takes
this
seriously
when
you
come
back
with
the
site
plan,
because
I
think
it's
an
important
part
to
respect
the
neighborhood,
although
you've
got
a
really
cool
design,
it's
still
respecting
the
neighborhood
with
the
boundaries
where
the
other
houses
are
as
well
too.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
C
M
B
D
You
mayor
this
is
resolution
2022-09
and
resolution
of
the
board
of
commissioners
to
the
city
of
tarpon
springs
florida
approving
application
number
2207
requesting
conditional
use
approval
to
allow
for
alternative
dimensional
criteria
within
the
rm
residential
multifamily
zoning
district
for
the
purpose
of
developing
a
seven
unit,
multi-family
development
located
at
the
northwest
corner
of
east
lime,
street
and
south
gross
avenue,
providing
findings
providing
for
conditions
and
providing
for
an
effective
date.
There
was
a
reading
for
that
resolution
by
title.
Only
I'll
read
the
quasi-judicial
procedures
for
this
hearing.
D
This
is
a
quadrature
proceeding
where
the
board
of
commissioners
acts
and
acquisition
rather
than
legislative
capacity.
Adequate
judicial
hearing
is
not
the
board's
function
to
make
law,
but
rather
to
apply
law
that
has
already
been
established
and
making
a
quadratic
hearing
or
inequalities
to
hearing
the
board
is
required
by
law.
To
make
findings
of
fact,
based
upon
the
evidence
presented
at
the
hearing
and
apply
those
findings
of
fact
previously
established
criteria
contained
in
the
code
of
ordinances
in
order
to
make
a
legal
decision
regarding
the
application
before
it.
D
The
board
may
only
consider
evidence
that
this
hearing,
that
the
law
considers
competent
substantial
relevant
to
the
issues,
if
the
competent
substantial
relevant
evidence
that
the
hearing
demonstrates
the
applicant
has
met
the
criteria
established
the
code
of
ordinances,
then
the
board
is
required
by
law
defined
in
favor
of
the
applicant.
By
the
same
token,
if
the
competent,
substantial
and
relevant
evidence
of
the
hearing
demonstrates
that
the
applicant
has
failed
to
meet
the
criteria
established
the
code
of
ordinances,
then
the
board
is
required
by
law
to
find
against
the
applicant.
D
B
B
B
All
right,
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
open
the
meeting,
ms
vincent,
if
we
could
get
your
staff
report,
please
thank.
L
You
this
is
application
22-07,
and
I
will
go
through
this
one,
a
little
more
quickly
than
the
last
they're
very
similar.
The
slight
location
for
this
application
is
at
the
northwest
corner
of
east
lime
and
south
grove,
so
the
first
application
was
at
this
site.
This
is
the
second
application
and
again
this
is
a
request
for
conditional
use
for
alternative
dimensional
plan
to
reduce
the
front
side
and
rear
yard
setbacks.
L
This
is
the
site
plan
very
similar
to
the
one
that
you
saw
for
the
last
one.
This
is
a
little
bit
larger
property
and
it
does
support
seven
units
with
the
density
and
that's
that's
what
they
are
proposing
again
now.
I
do
want
to
call
attention.
L
This
site
plan
was
developed
based
on
a
survey
that
actually
identified
this
as
a
15-foot
alley,
and
this
has
been
identified
and
it
actually
is
a
10-foot
alley.
So
that's-
and
you
know
this
was
the
location
of
where
you
know
the
toters
potentially
were
going
to
be
located
for
waste
management
services
when
we
would
identify
that
this
was
a
10-foot
alley,
but
did
go
back
and
discuss
this
again
with
tom
function,
as
well
as
the
fire
marshal
and
the
fire
marshal
is.
L
He
has
no
issues
with
this
even
with
a
10-foot
alley.
The
primary
consideration
for
him
is
that
he
can
access
every
unit
from
an
emergency
standpoint
from
the
front,
so
they
have
the
front
doors
they
have
the
sidewalk
connections.
So
you
know,
90
of
the
calls
are
medical
as
opposed
to
fire
he
had,
but
he
had
talked
with
him
yesterday.
L
So
in
this
particular
instance,
the
the
minimums
for
the
front
would
be
four
the
side
three
and
a
half
in
the
rear
of
five.
Again
these
will
be
the
minimums
and
through
the
site
plan
process
we
may
be
able
to
increase
those
setbacks
and
just
kind
of
showing
you,
the
sweat,
backs
again
front
porches.
So
you
know
the
other
thing
to
keep
in
mind.
Is
you
know
the
entire
project
is
not
at
that
minimum.
You
know.
So
you
have
different.
You
know
increased
setbacks
here.
Obviously,
nothing
in
this
area
with
these
adjacent
properties.
L
This
is
a
little
farther
removed
from
the
special
area
plan,
but
in
context
again
you
know
we
have
zero
setback
up
here,
not
what
we
want.
We
want
something
more.
We
want
building
articulation
and
that
print
just
brings
that
to
the
table
and
there's
some
area.
Some
v
view
shed
shots
of
the
area.
Subject:
property
this
property
does
have
a
multi
seven
unit,
cottage
court
adjacent
to
it.
So
a
little
different.
L
Again,
the
this
is
the
subject:
property
there's
the
cottage
court,
one
story:
multi-family
two-story,
multi-family,.
L
It's
a
higher
level,
shot
kind
of
in
context
with
the
with
the
rest
of
the
area
again,
this
site
this,
this
particular
site
plan
originally
had
a
condition
on
it
about
the
visibility
triangles.
We
were
worried
about
this
area
when
it
went
back
to
the
planning
and
zoning
board
we
were
able
to
and
it
actually
increased
that
setback.
So
we
have
now
confirmed
that
the
visibility
triangles
on
this
are
compliant,
so
we
can
remove
that
particular
condition.
It
doesn't
hurt
to
leave
it
in,
but
they
have
demonstrated
compliance
in
this
instance.
L
And
the
staff
recommendation
is
approval,
recommended
approval
of
resolution.
2209.
L
again,
I
think
we
can
strike
condition
number
three,
the
first
two,
our
conditions
are
the
same
as
the
last
application
and
we
would
recommend
adding
the
third
condition
of
a
waste
management
solution
for
the
as
part
of
the
site,
plan,
approval
process
and
again,
planning
and
zoning
board
did
review
this
twice
on
the
second
review.
It
came
back
and
was
unanimously
approved,
and
with
that
I
will
answer
any
questions
you
might
have
about
this
particular
application.
B
Thank
you
vice
mayor
lon.
Do
you
have
any
questions.
C
L
J
Yeah
thanks
renee,
looking
at
the
lime
street
side,
the
curbing
is
like
non-existent
and
the
house
is
being
very
close
to
the
road.
Is
that
something
that
curbing
would
be
required
to
be
installed
to
prevent
like
cars
driving
into
the
building?
At
some
point.
J
Yeah
a
couple
of
pictures
that
were
provided.
You
could
see
that
it's
like
an
old
school
curve,
that's
sunk
into
the
ground,
rounded
off,
not
that
one,
maybe
maybe
one
of
the
next
ones.
J
You
can
see
right
there
that
one
right
there
on
the
right
side,
so
I
don't
know
is
that
the
applicant's
responsibility.
J
L
J
And
then
so
again,
the
three
and
a
half
feet
to
four
feet
from
the
back
of
the
cottages
pretty
tight
for
that
area,
I
think
that's
an
area
that
the
planning
zoning
board
was
comfortable
with.
Obviously,
since
they
approved
it.
L
They
they
did
approve
it.
I
will,
if
I
can
find,
though
so
the
cottages,
the
outline
of
the
cottages,
are
here
so
there's
a
close
point
here,
but
primarily
they're
on
they're
on
the
pond.
L
I'll
just
dry
pond,
I
don't
he
does
his
engineers.
Not
here
I
don't
know
if
it's
a
dry
pond
or
if
it's
a
wet
pond.
I
know
it's
the
retention
solution.
I
doubt
it
will
be
I'm.
I
would
doubt
it
would
be
a
wet
pond.
Okay,.
J
A
Thank
you
mayor,
I'm
usually
a
setback
hound.
I
won't
call
that
when
you're
building
a
project
like
this,
the
setbacks,
you
can't
really
have
to
try
to
get
as
many
apartments
in.
So
I'm
not
a
stickler
on
this
at
all,
and
usually
I
am
when
you're
building
private
homes
is
completely
different
than
this.
So
as
far
as
I'm
concerned,
this
is
no
different
than
the
other
one.
A
It
was
another
I
believe
in
unanimous
approval
as
well,
and
I
just
wish
him
luck
and
hopefully
we
could
have
you
know
more
people
move
into
an
economical
way
of
living
here
in
tarpon.
Thank
you.
B
B
The
only
thing
is
same
thing
with
the
trees,
we're
going
to
lose
a
38
inch
oak,
but
there
is
one
16
inch
coat
oak
up
at
the
corner
of
the
retention
pond.
If,
if,
if
we
could
have
some
consideration
that
from
the
arborist,
I'm
not
sure
whether
it
could
be
safe
but
the
same
thing
I
would
like,
if
possible,
to-
and
it's
in
the
form
of
a
question
have
our
tree
spade
relocate
those
that's
all
I
have
if
the
apple
can
come
forward.
Please.
B
You
have
any
rebuttal
cross
examination.
Testimony
from
ms
vincent.
J
I
think
it's
kind
of
cool
yeah,
so
from
a
concern
of
so
there's
seven
units
12
parking
spots.
I
believe
one,
two,
three,
four,
five.
Yes,
so
any
concerns
about
parking
visitor
parking
street
parking,
I
mean:
do
you
do
apartment
complex?
I
don't
know
like
what
your
background
is
so.
P
J
Yeah,
that
would
just
be
my
only
concern,
I
know
with
being
around
other
apartment
complexes
that
tends
to
be.
The
limiting
factor
is
there's
not
enough
parking
typically
and
you're
gonna
push
it
out
in
the
street
parking
which
street
parking
isn't
bad,
it
slows
traffic
down,
but
at
the
same
time
you
want
to
make
sure
there's
parking
enough
parking
through
a
guest,
especially
if
they're
three-bedroom
apartments.
B
M
I
would
just
ask
to
consider
having
some
tenants
with
the
subsidized
housing
absolutely.
P
M
B
I
have
no
questions
is
vincent.
Do
you
have
any
cross-examination
of
the
applicant.
L
B
B
C
B
Okay:
okay,
now
we're
going
to
close
the
public
hearing
before
we
make
a
motion.
There's
two
additional
conditions
that
were
asked
for
one
was
the
keep
the
alley
clear
of
any
obstruction,
completely
clear
of
any
obstruction
and
the
same
one
concerning
waste
management
and
the
applicant
working
out
a
waste
pickup
as
part
of
the
site
planning
process.
C
With
conditional
uses
added
for
for
alleyway
maintenance
and
lack
of
use
for
of
waste
management
to
remove
solid
waste.
D
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
all
clear
so
condition
number
three
is
that
the
applicant
has
to
work
with
waste
management
to
obtain
a
solution
relative
to
the
garbage
totes
and
the
fourth
one
was
to
keep
the
alley
clear.
Whatever
is
required
with
regard
to
that,
that's
what
what
we're
talking
about?
Yes,
completely
clear!
D
So
we've
got
three
ordinances
tonight
and
I
just
need
directions
from
the
commission.
Do
you
want
to
hear
the
presentation
all
at
once
or
do
you
want
to
hear
three
separate
presentations,
one
on
annexation,
one
on
the
future
land
use
map
and
one
in
zoning?
If
possible,
we
could
do
them
all
at
one
time
and
then
we'll
just
do
the
ordinances
one
by
one.
We
need
a
separate
motion.
Each
ordinance
is
that,
okay
with
you
mayor
to
do
it
that
way?
Yes,.
D
D
An
ordinance
of
the
city
of
tarpon
springs
florida,
annexing
0.25,
acres,
more
or
less
of
real
property
located
at
1093,
south
florida
avenue
on
the
southeast
corner
of
south
florida
avenue
and
curley
place
application
22-19,
providing
for
findings
and
providing
for
an
effective
date.
That
was
the
first
radio
board
ordinance
2022-10
by
title.
Only
there
will
be
a
second
reading
on
may
24th
2022,
and
this
was
published
in
the
tampa
bay
times
by
title
with
a
map
on
march
30th,
2022
and
april
6
2022..
D
This
is
a
quasi-judicial
proceeding
where
the
board
of
commissioners
acts
in
a
causation
rather
than
a
legislative
capacity
at
a
quasi-hearing.
It's
not
the
board's
function
to
make
law,
but
rather
to
apply
a
law
that
has
already
been
established
in
a
quadrature
hearing.
The
board
is
required
by
law
to
make
findings,
in
fact,
based
upon
the
evidence
presented
at
the
hearing
and
apply
those
findings
of
fact
to
previously
established
criteria
containing
the
code
of
ordinances
in
order
to
make
a
legal
decision
regarding
the
application
before
it.
D
The
board
may
only
consider
evidence
of
this
hearing
that
the
law
considers
confidence
substantial
and
relevant
to
the
issues,
if
the
competent
substantial
relevant
evidence
that
the
hearing
demonstrates
that
the
applicant
has
met
the
criteria
establishing
the
code
of
warranties
and
the
boards
required
by
law
defined
in
favor
of
the
applicant.
By
the
same
token,
if
the
competent,
substantial
and
relevant
evidence,
the
hearing
demonstrates
that
the
applicant
has
failed
to
meet
the
criteria,
establish
the
code
of
ordinances.
Then
the
board
is
required
by
law
to
find
against
the
applicant.
D
D
Thank
you.
You
swear
that
the
testimony
about
to
give
tonight
is
going
to
be
the
truth,
the
whole
truth
and
nothing
but
the
truth.
Thank
you.
B
Everyone
mayor,
thank
you,
mr
trask.
Ms
vincent
is
the
applicant
or
his
or
her
representative.
Here,
yes,.
L
B
Okay,
was
there
any
new
information
received
from
the
applicant
that
was
not
available
to
the
planning
and
zoning
commission.
B
O
B
Is
there
anyone
else?
Okay?
Has
there
any
commissioners
had
any
ex
party
communications
in
this
matter?
Commissioner,
carr.
J
I've
talked
to
the
applicant
and
that's
it.
He
just
shared
some
concerns
and
wanted
to
me
to
visit
the
site,
and
I
stopped
by
and
saw
the
site.
M
Just
why
the
project
was
a
good
idea
and
mr
abbas,
why
the
project
was
a
good
idea
and
his
reasoning
behind
the
application
and
as
well
as
mr
marcus,
while
she
wasn't
for
the
idea
or
it
wasn't
for
the
project
regarding
at
all
the
annexation.
Okay,.
C
Yeah
I
had
an
message
exchange
with
the
applicant
where
he
asked.
If
I
wanted
to
meet
to
discuss,
I
decline.
A
Yes,
I've
had
a
discussion.
I
asked
the
applicant
if
he
ever
annexed
before
into
tarpon
springs,
and
he
had
said
no.
I
had
asked
if
he
was
up
to
date
with
the
county,
and
he
said.
Yes,
he
shared
the
sequence
of
how
that
permit
situation
was.
A
He
also
could
you
know
shared
with
me
that
he
could
move
ahead
with
the
build,
even
if
there's
a
denial
here.
He
shared
with
me
different
than
what
it
says
here.
Wasn't
a
voluntary.
It
was
a
forced
annex
by
the
city.
The
city
insisted
that
he
annex,
so
that
was
another
thing
and
that
he
spoke
of
just
wanting
to
be
part
of
tarpon
springs
city
limits
and
not
be
outside
in
the
in
unincorporated.
So
those
were
the
things
that
we
spoke
of,
and
I
just
listened.
B
Thank
you.
I
also
had
a
text
facebook
message
from
mr
abbas,
where
he
requested
that
I
meet
with
him
and
I
declined,
and
that
was
based
on
the
conversation
I
had
with
ms
marcus
asking
me
if
I
would
meet
with
her
neighborhood
her
neighbors
and
herself
concerning
this
matter.
I
declined
for
that
as
well,
so
I
just
wanted
to
be
fair.
B
Also,
I
had
a
conversation
with
which
is
not
ex-parte
but
based
on
my
experience,
it's
important
to
state
it.
I
had
a
conversation
with
mr
coolianus
john
coolianis
who's,
a
member
of
the
pnc
board
on
his
observations
concerning
the
the
hearing
that
took
place
with
them.
Now.
Let
me
just
ask
if
the
applicant
or
the
affected
party
has
any
objection
of
any
commissioner
participating
in
the
matter,
based
on
anything
that
they
heard.
C
B
L
Thank
you.
This
is
application
22-19
and,
as
you
know,
this
is
for
an
annexation,
an
action
to
annex
the
property
and
apply
an
appropriate
land
use
and
zoning
designation
as
it
annexes
from
unincorporated
pinellas
county
into
the
city
of
tarpon
springs
so
the
property.
This
is
the
site.
It's
located
at
the
southeast
corner
of
geez.
I
can't
remember
the
street
name,
I'm
sorry
curlew
in
florida,
okay,
this
girl,
okay
and
florida.
L
Now
let
me
go
back
so
the
surrounding
properties,
so
the
property
to
the
north.
This
is
incorporated
city.
This
property
is
single-family,
it's
and
zoned
r-100
and
has
a
residential
low,
which
is
five
units
per
acre
land
use,
kind
of
caddy
corner.
This
is
residential
low
as
well
at
five
units
to
the
acre.
The
zone
here
is
one
and
two
family
residential
and
then
across
this
kind
of
canal
area.
L
L
So,
as
we
said,
there
are
three
actions:
the
first
is
annexation.
L
The
second
is
the
future
land
use
map
amendment
the
does
the
current
designation
in
pinellas
county
for
the
land
use
is
residential,
suburban
and
that
is
2.5
units
per
acre
and
we
would
apply
the
exact
same
designation
inside
of
the
city
of
tarpon
springs
residential,
suburban
at
2.5
units
per
acre.
The
zoning.
L
The
current
zoning
in
pinellas
county
is
r3,
which
is
a
which
is
a
small
lot
I'll,
say
single-family
residential
zoning,
so
it
has
fairly
reduced
setbacks
and
you
know,
although
the
properties
developed
differently
here,
let
me
go
back
to
the
aerial
photograph,
so
you
can
see
the
properties.
L
But
you
know
this
and
I
think
it's
in
this
in
the
staffing
later
on
what
the
actual
setbacks
are.
We
we
suggested
the
r100
zoning
designation
application
for
this
property
because
it's
adjacent
to
r100
and
because
of
the
lot
size,
it's
it's
over
10
000
square
feet,
so
we
felt
that
it
was
most
appropriate
that
it
can
be
land
used
with
the
r100
based
on
the
lot
size
and
the
adjacency
to
the
r100
across
the
street.
L
So
when
you're
considering
annexation,
you
have
some
very
specific
criteria
in
the
land
development
code
as
well
as
florida
statutes.
So
whether
the
property
in
question
would
create
a
municipal
or
county
enclave
upon
annexation
and
whether
it's
the
areas
contiguous
to
the
city's
boundary
and
is
reasonably
compact,
the
impact
of
the
property
on
public
facilities
and
the
ability
of
the
city
to
serve
the
property.
L
The
then
the
you
have
diff
the
regroup
review
criteria
for
the
future
land
use
map
amendment.
Is
it
generally
consistent
with
the
comprehensive
plan,
as
well
as
the
countywide
plan,
and
then
the
resulting
again?
These
are
our
standard
rezoning
review
criteria.
L
Our
charge
is,
to
you
know,
place
the
appropriate
zoning
on
the
property
as
it's
being
annexed
in,
so
I'm
going
to
go
back
a
little
bit
because
I
know
this
seems
like
a
short
report,
so
whether
the
property
would
create
a
municipal
or
county
enclave.
So
I'm
going
to
go
back
to
the
aerial
photograph,
so
the
property
is
adjacent
across
curly
place
to
the
city
boundary
there,
the
properties
all
these
properties
are
actually.
This
property
is
already
contiguous.
L
This
property
is
contiguous
this
all
these
properties
already
have
contiguity
to
city
boundary,
but
by
annexing
the
sand,
you're,
not
creating
an
enclave.
So
there's
no
issues.
It's
recently
compact,
it's
one
site.
So
just
looking
at
that
particular
review
criteria,
we
find
that
it's
compliant
impact
upon
the
property
in
question
upon
public
facilities
and
the
ability
to
serve
the
property,
so
the
property
actually
was.
L
We
have
a
separate
section
of
the
land
development
code
in
our
utility
section
that
says,
if
you
have
to
hook
up
two
city
utilities-
and
you
are
adjacent
to
the
city
boundary,
you
must
annex
into
the
city
of
tarpon
springs
or
the
city
can
refuse
you
service.
That's
a
paraphrasing
of
what
that
what
that
ordinance
says.
So
the
applicant
in
this
case
is
compelled
to
annex
into
the
city
of
tarpon
springs.
I
will
defer
the
city
attorney,
but
it
is
considered
a
voluntary
annexation.
L
I've
already
touched
on
the
so
and
I
do
want
to
state,
because
I
know
this
is
going
to
come
out,
so
I'm
just
going
to
put
it
in
the
public
record.
There
is
nothing
in
our
ordinances
to
talk
about
a
timeline
of
when
someone
has
to
annex
so.
In
this
instance,
the
applicant
chose
to
begin
begin,
their
build
in
pinellas,
county
and
then
annex
into
the
city.
Our
code
says
they
must
annex
to
receive
services,
so
there
is
no
bright
line
there
in
the
code.
L
L
L
Amending
the
future
land
use
map
designation
from
the
pinellas
county,
designation
of
residential,
suburban
to
the
city
of
tarpon
springs,
designation
of
residential,
suburban,
so
two
and
a
half
units
to
the
acre
to
two
and
a
half
units
of
the
acre
and
amending
the
pinellas
county
in
amending
the
zoning
from
the
pinellas
county
designation
of
r3
to
the
city
of
tarpon
springs
designation
of
r100,
so
I'll
just
stop
there,
I'm
sure,
I'm
sorry!
I
got
to
go
to
the
planning
of
zoning
boards.
The
planning
zoning
board
reviewed
this
on
april
18th.
L
Ultimately,
the
there
were
two
different
motions,
both
failed
on
the
2-2
vote.
We
had
four
members
there.
There
was
a
lot
of
discussion.
I
think
you
know
I
don't
want
to
completely
try.
To
paraphrase
you
know
what
the
planning
and
zoning
board
was
was
was
thinking,
but
there
was
a
lot
of
conversation
again
about
kind
of
the
timeline
and
and
when
it,
when
things
were
taking
place,
so
ultimately
it
was
recommended.
The
motion
failed
on
a
2-2
vote
at
the
planning
and
zoning
board.
C
Just
for
my
edification,
if
this
I
know
you're
going
to
speak
over
property,
if
this
building
were
being
considered
for
construction
under
the
zoning
that
it's
applying
for,
would
it
be
approved
as
it
is
designed
currently
or
would
it
need
conditional
use
because
of
setbacks.
F
J
Thanks
mayor
that
wouldn't
prohibit
based
on
the
criteria,
though,
to
annex
the
property
into
the
city
of
tarpon
springs.
J
J
So
the
land
use
code
required
annexation,
although
it's
called
voluntary.
So
it's
not
necessarily
timeline
versus
criteria.
It's
quite
we
vote
on
the
criteria,
not
necessarily
timeline,
so
you
said
the
planning
zoning
board
had
to
issue
a
timeline.
That
was
why
there's
no
votes.
I.
L
I,
if
I
have
to
you,
know
kind
of
capture.
There
was
a
lot
of
discussion,
but
I
think
that
was
that
was
certainly
a
piece
of
the
board's
consideration
than
that
they
they
felt
uncomfortable
with
a
project
that
was
being
started
in
pinellas
county
through
their
building
department
and
then
halfway
through
the
process
annexing
in
and
there's
a
difference
of
regular
there's
a
difference
in
setbacks.
The
the
pinellas
county
designation
of
r3
actually
has
much
reduced
setbacks
compared
to
the
r100,
but
it's
it.
But
it's
what
is
on.
L
Yes,
we
and
we've
done
this
before
we
have
a
process
with
pinellas
county
whereby
they
transfer
their
approved
building
permits
to
the
city.
Our
building
official
and
our
inspectors
are
very
comfortable.
Taking
those
plans
you
know
and
picking
up
the
inspections,
they'll
be
monitoring,
there'll,
be
some
review
fees
and
some
inspection
fees
and
things
like
that.
So
we're
doing
it
gratis,
obviously,
but
but
yes,
we
and
then
they
would
also
be
required
to
pay
any
impact
fees
that
to
the
city
that
are
required.
L
So
our
general
government
services,
you
know,
police,
fire
parks
and
rec.
You
know
the
library,
those
fees
they
still
have
to
pay
to
the
city
of
tarpon
springs.
Okay,.
L
They
have
paid,
they
paid
the
multimodal
impact
fees,
that's
and
that's
the
same
for
both
so
and
it
actually
gets
split
between
the
city
and
the
county,
so
they
have
paid
that.
A
A
What
matters
is
that
he's
the
the
builder
is
building
legally
in
the
county
and
can
continue
to
build
legally
in
the
county,
and
if,
if
we
deny
this
annex
he's
still
going
to
build
and
he's
still
going
to
build
and
just
be
a
county
property,
it
doesn't
drag
anybody
else
into
it.
It
doesn't
affect
anybody.
B
Anyway,
mr
eisner,
if
you
can
make
your
statements
in
a
form
of
a
question
sure
I
I
thought
I
was
excuse
me,
commissioner,.
L
C
B
Thank
you,
commissioner.
M
Hey
renee,
the
the
county
has
given
approved.
Building
permits
correct.
Yes,
sir.
Does
this
force
annexation
for
the
nearby
neighborhood.
L
Actually,
all
these
properties
right
now,
even
they
individually,
this
property
could
annex
this
property
can
add.
You
can't
really
see
the
property
lines
but
they're
there.
They
all
actually
have
contiguity
to
this
property
does
and
it's
it.
You
have
to
look
at
the
plan.
The
way
these
lot
lines
go,
but
this
lot
actually
also
has
contiguity
across
the
canal,
so
all
of
them
actually
could
be
subject
to
annexation
under
the
utility
provision.
If
that
becomes
an
issue
for
them.
C
L
No,
and
why
is
that
the
pinellas
county?
The
only
thing
that
would
affect
that
would
be,
if
that
we
were
building
you
know
below,
base
flood
elevation
and
and
pinellas
county
actually
has
an
even
more
stringent
flood
plain
management
ordinance
than
we
do
it's
more
strict
than
actual
female
requirements.
So
he
will
his
his
first
finished
floor.
Elevations
will
be
compliant
and
then
some
so
no
there
would
be
no
no
impact
on
on
our
crs
rating.
Okay,.
M
So
this
property,
whether
it
does
or
doesn't
get
annexed
and
we'll,
have
our
sewer
and
water
services
correct.
Yes,
sir,
and
in
the
case
of
any
emergency,
the
tarpon
springs,
police
department
or
the
tarpon
springs.
Fire
rescue
will
be
going
out
to
that
property.
Correct,
correct,
okay
and
I
believe
we
talked
about
in
a
email.
How
page
12
of
the
backup
material
pretty
much
explains
the
legality
of
this
annexation
process
from
county
to
the
city.
Yes,
I
have
no
further
questions.
B
Ms
vincent
you
and
I
talked
about
this,
and
I
want
to
confirm
a
couple
of
things
with
you:
one
we
are
creating
a
non-conforming
situation.
Is
that
correct.
B
And
I
believe
you
told
me
that
you
and
the
applicant
had
had
a
conversation
concerning
what
would
happen
if
there
was
a
catastrophic
damage
to
the
home
over
50
percent.
Is
that
correct.
L
Correct
we
we've
been
very
candid
that
you
know
you're
non-conforming,
and
so,
if
you're
you
get
blown
off
your
foundation,
you
may
have
to
try
to
seek
variances
to
build
back
the
way
that
that
your
their
house
is
structured
now
or
you
could
rebuild,
in
conformance
with
our
code.
B
Now
let
me
ask
you
another
situation:
if,
if
the
applicant,
for
example,
the
home
is
completed,
it's
annex
10,
if
the
applicant
came
in
and
says
okay,
I
want
to
add
a
chimney
and
I
need
to
add
a
three
by
four
foot
section
to
the
side
of
the
house
and
it's
going
to
encroach
further.
B
L
They
would
have
options
at
that
point.
I
mean
typically
what
we
would
recommend
if
you're
going
for
a
variance
for
something
like
you're
you're,
increasing
a
degree
of
a
non-conformity
in
that
particular
instance,
and
we
know
that
the
entire
structure
is
non-conforming.
We
generally
would
recommend
that
they
seek
to
go
to
the
board
of
adjustments
and
go
ahead
and
get
variances
to
recognize
those
existing
non-conformities.
B
Okay,
and
did
you
check
with
the
staff
specifically
with
the
building
department
concerning
the
any
violations
or
code
issues
or
anything
like
that.
L
L
Fellow
employee,
at
pinellas
county
at
actually
it's
in
their
development
review
services,
gene
crossing
who
the
building
department's
part
of
that
whole
development
review
services.
He
ran
that
he
ran
a
check,
an
abundance
of
caution
and
there
are
no
there's
no
violations.
There's
been
no
red
tags
or
anything
like
that
with
the
panel
with
pinellas
county.
B
I
also
spoke
to
mr
smith
concerning
the
sewer,
but
I
won't
get
into
that
here,
and
you
also
said
that
there's
nothing
in
our
in
our
ordinance
annexation,
ordinance
that
specifies
when
a
property
can
be
an
extent
once
it's
hooked
up
to
sewer.
Is
that
correct.
L
I
don't
think
it's
clear
in
the
ordinance,
and
I
don't
know
if,
if
the
city
attorney
has
it
in
front
of
them,
the
it
doesn't
specify
when
you
have
to
initiate
the
annexation.
What
it
says
is
that
you
must
annex
prior
to
service
being
established,
so
you
know
they
may
have
utility
connections,
but
at
the
point
that
you
know
the
water's
turned
on
so
to
speak
to
it's.
If
I,
if
I'm
reading
it
correctly,
they
probably
need
to
be
annexed.
D
B
L
So
there
is
an
option.
Basically,
if
you
don't
assign
a
zoning
district
designation
in
the
city
of
tarpon,
then
the
r3
zoning
that
is
at
the
pinellas
county
zoning
stays
in
place
until
an
actual
zoning
ordinance
is
is
adopted.
So
that
is
that
we
haven't
ever
done
that
well,
we've
done
it
with
a
land
use,
but
we've
never
done
it
with
the
zoning.
B
I
I
think
our
conversation
was
in
the
context,
and
I
want
to
predict
just
describe
a
predicate
to
that
or
a
preface
what
I'm
going
to
ask
was,
hypothetically
with
the
other
homes
coming
in
being
r100
that
may
not
given
the
the
kind
of
mismatch
setbacks
everything
I
think
that
somewhere
along
the
line,
I
think
you
made
a
statement
in
your
staff
report
that
an
rpd
may
be
something
that
could
be
done.
Is
that
correct.
L
If
you,
if
we
were
bringing
in
more
than
one
one
house
at
a
time,
yes,
it
would
probably
be
appropriate
to
look
at
that
area
as
a
whole
and
and
assign
a
plan
development
district
that
has
its
own
specific
setbacks.
You
know
or
simply
just
keep
the
r3.
You
know
you
could
do
a
plan.
Development
and
absorb
you
know,
observe
the
r3
setbacks
that
pinellas
county
has,
and
that
would
be
consistent.
B
Now,
if
it
was
kept
as
an
r3
after
annexation
describing
the
case,
I
did
with
the
chimney
and
everything
and
it
didn't
encroach
into
the
setback
based
on
the
r3.
Would
he
need
any
kind
of
a
a
conditional
use
for
that?
I'm
sorry
a
an
adjustment
or
variance
for
that.
B
If
the
the
applicant
does
the
applicant
have
any
cross-examination
of
ms
vincent
okay,
mr
abbas,
if
you'd
like
to
come
forward,
it's
your
turn
for
a
presentation.
If
you'd
like
to
make
a
presentation.
D
D
D
Here
your
name
and
your
address
please.
Q
Omar
abbas,
one
zero,
zero,
four
jamaica
way:
our
pen
springs
okay
good
evening.
The
purpose
of
this
meeting
is
to
discuss
annexation
of
my
real
property
from
unincorporated
pinellas
county
to
the
city
of
tarpon
springs.
Q
I'm
hoping
the
only
issues
to
be
considered
by
this
board
are
whether
the
annexation
of
my
property
conforms
and
complies
with
the
code.
Reque
requirements
set
forth
in
the
annexation
provisions
within
the
code
of
ordinances
for
the
city
of
tarpon
springs.
I
would
like
to
remind
the
board
that
it
was
the
city
that
not
only
requested
that
I
annex
my
property,
but
also
required
it,
and
yet
we're
here
today
to
vote
or
rule
in
favor
of
whether
my
property
should
be
annexed.
Q
I
think
it
is
important
to
clarify
that
this
is
not
truly
voluntary
choice,
but
a
cooperative
one.
On
my
part,
this
government
is
requiring
me
to
per
the
code
annex
because
the
property
is
contiguous
with
the
city
limits
and
will
be
using
their
utilities,
as
a
septic
system
was
not
an
option
due
to
the
prep
due
to
the
proximity
of
available
sewer,
I'm
not
seeking
any
variances
or
special
exceptions,
but
just
following
the
code
as
it
currently
exists
so
again,
unsure
why
this
is
a
debate
regarding
approval
during
this
process.
Q
Over
the
last
couple
months,
a
few
of
the
coquina
beach
homeowners
or
pinellas
county
residents
have
come
forward
who
are
in
opposition
because
they
appear
to
be
disgruntled
by
the
fact
that
my
home
may
be
annexed
into
the
city.
I
have
learned
from
several
of
the
other
neighbors
that
their
concerns
stem
from
a
fear
that
their
property
will
also
be
required
to
become
annexed.
Q
Q
Q
The
construction
of
my
new
home
is
built
according
to
the
florida
building
code,
same
requirements
that
apply
to
the
city
of
tarpon
springs.
I
have
been
issued
a
building
permit
from
pinellas
county
to
construct
the
home
and
privacy
wall
and
assure
you
have
passed
every
inspection
to
date,
and
I
have
the
paperwork
here
to
prove
that
tonight,
the
home
has
no
building
violations
and
strictly
follows
all
building
codes
as
required.
I
have
an
approved
site
plan
which
includes
three
visibility:
triangles
an
extensive
drainage
plan.
Q
I
sent
all
the
related
documents
to
planning
and
zoning
and
building
department
to
confirm,
because
if
this
annexation
gets
approved,
the
city's
building
department
will
be
conducting
all
inspections
moving
forward.
I
have
built
and
and
am
currently
building
many
other
homes
in
the
city
of
tarpon
springs.
So
I'm
well
aware
of
their
requirements
and
expectations
and
assure
you
this
home,
meets
or
exceeds
those
I've
never
been
part
of
an
annexation
process
before
after
contacting
the
city
about
connecting
to
the
utilities.
Q
They
notified
me
that
the
election
was
going
on
and
I'd
have
to
wait
until
march
to
apply
for
the
annexation
and
would
have
to
wait
until
the
final
hearings
in
may.
I
was
also
told
that
beginning
construction
on
the
home,
under
the
curt
on
the
under
the
county
guidelines
was
a
non-issue
as
there
are
no
requirements
that
need
to
be
met
that
directly
pertain
to
the
annexation
code.
Q
I
continued
as
instructed,
but
I'm
now
being
questioned
about
my
motivation
and
timing
of
my
application,
I'm
aware
of
the
pushback
from
some
of
the
residents
and
I'm
curious,
however,
as
to
whether
the
previous
annexations
that
took
place
where
they
were
under
construction
on
anklet
road
and
in
the
car,
washington,
klostermann
and
jerrod
boulevard,
if
they
had
the
same
situation
or
similar
concerns
as
mine,
those
were
approved
and
similar
to
those
the
real
properties.
Q
What's
being
annexed,
I've
done
what
the
city
has
required
me
to
do
and
follow
the
schedule
they
provided
this
far
and
have
relied
upon
the
city's
representations
that
I
must
annex
within
the
city
of
tarpon.
This
annexation
will
have
absolutely
no
effect
adverse
or
otherwise
on
the
residents
of
coquina
beach.
I
surpr,
I
suppose
it's
their
prerogative
to
be
excluded
from
the
city
and
to
pay
their
taxes
to
the
county.
Q
However,
I
am
happy
to
have
the
opportunity
to
be
part
of
the
city
which
I
love
and
reap
so
many
benefits
from
I've
lived
here
since
85.
I've
owned
multiple
businesses.
Here,
I'm
on
the
foundation
board
at
advent
health
hospital,
my
parents
owned
business
here
30
years.
My
sister
owns
a
business
here
and
all
my
kids
go
to
school
here
or
have
gone
to
school
in
the
city.
When
I
was
told
by
the
city
I
can
annex
I
was
happy
to
comply.
That
is
my
motivation
for
those
who
still
continue
to
question
it.
Q
And
prepare
to
further
address
any
other
concerns
regarding
the
construction
of
my
home,
but
will
not
to
respond,
will
not
respond
to
any
personal
attacks
or
of
my
character.
Like
the
last
meeting.
I
do
not
know
or
have
worked
in
a
professional
capacity
with
any
of
those
people.
Who've
made
slanders
remarks
about
me,
suggesting
this
annexation
was
plotted
for
some
sort
of
benefit
or
monetary
gain,
some
of
which
have
recently
been
trespassing
on
my
property,
making
false
accusations
to
find
a
reason
to
stop
this
process.
Q
But
since
on
a
positive
note
on
the
last
meeting,
a
lot
of
the
other
residents
approached
me
took
the
time
to
ask
me
questions
about
things
and
and
once
they
were
educated
and
properly
informed,
they
had
no
objections
and
have
actually
welcomed
us
to
the
neighborhood.
I
hope
this
board
keeps
this
a
short
meeting
focused
on
only
three
requirements
and
rules.
B
Thank
you,
mr
office.
Does
the
commission
have
any
questions
vice
mayor,
london,.
M
B
Mr
obvious,
I
have
a
question
for
you:
is
there
an
issue
with
you
keeping
the
r3
zoning
versus
the
r10.
Q
B
L
B
And
mr
samarkas
I
apologize,
I
should
have
asked
you
a
cross-examination
of
ms
vincent.
Do
you
have
anything
for
mr
abbas?
B
Thank
you,
mr
marcus.
It's
your
turn
as
as
an
affected
party.
O
Thank
you
again,
charles
marcus.
If
you
look
where
the
site
is,
my
house
is
a
couple
down.
I
don't
know
if
you
can
there's
a
couple
of
pools
there,
a
little
to
the
left
right
below
that
one
is
where
I
live.
I
actually
spoke
with
omar
and
another
neighbor
last
week.
I
I
do
not
oppose
him
getting
into
the
city,
I
personally
it
doesn't
impact
me
one
way
or
another,
whether
it's
in
the
city
or
not.
O
I
raised
two
issues
that
I
think
most
of
our
neighbors
are
concerned
about
the
first
one
is,
and
I
think
commissioner
eisner
addresses
because
I
wrote
it
down.
He
said
this
does
not
drag
anyone
else
into
this.
That
is
our
concern.
One
of
the
concerns
that
I
say
are
that
annie
and
I
have
we
love
the
city
of
tarpon.
You
know
I
go
back
even
further.
My
grandfather
was
a
sponge
diver.
My
dad
was
a
commissioner
and
I've
been
a
resident
here.
Grad
I
was
in
this
school
doing
a
play
and
playing
volleyball.
O
I
know
jeff.
I
know
irene
been
around
a
long
time
and
I
think
the
city
is
great.
I
think
our
neighborhood
enjoys
being
next
to
the
city
but
being
in
the
county
for
various
reasons
that
I
don't
ever
get
into,
but
there's
nothing
against
being
annexed
in
the
city
or
or
omar
being
annexed
in
the
city
as
long
as
it
doesn't
impact
coming
through
and
no
one's
going
to
say.
O
Well
now
we
want
everybody
to
hook
up
to
the
sewer
and
pay
to
come
in
and
as
long
as
we're
assured
that
doesn't
happen,
I
don't
think
that
anybody
cares
about
that
one
way
or
another.
The
second
issue,
though,
that
and
I
talked
with
omar-
and
he
explained
this
and
he
actually
showed
that
intersection
is
not
good
for
us.
We've
had
an
accident
there.
I
almost
had
an
accident
there
two
weeks
ago,
where
somebody
was
heading
out
of
they
were
heading
north
where
his
house
was
or
the
site
is.
O
I
was
turning
left
from
curlew
place
and
they
didn't
see
me
because
they
went
out
into
the
intersection
I
was
coming.
I
stopped
honked
the
horn
and
they
went
through.
I
think
one
of
my
other
neighbors
sons
recently
had
an
accident
at
that
intersection
as
well.
In
fairness,
he
had
trusses
there
that
were
probably
blocking
the
road,
but
he
did
show
me
visibly
where
this
fence
is
going
to
be
or
where
his
wall
is
going
to
be,
and
he
said
it's
going
to
be
within
compliance.
O
I
have
some
concerns
about
it,
but
as
long
as
there's
some
level
of
he
said
that
he's
going
to
pass
these
visibility
tests,
but
that's
a
big
concern
so
that
I
know
that
the
issues
are
does
he
comply
and
great
that
he
complies
with
what
it
is.
I
don't
know
whether
we
address
this
now
or
later,
but
that's
what
I
talked
to
him
about.
O
O
So
as
long
as
the
visibility
and
those
are
addressed,
I
don't
have
any
objections,
and
frankly
I
don't
have
any
standing
to
say
whether
he
can
go
in
the
city
or
not
because
I'm
not
in
the
city
there,
but
you
all
will
look
at
what
he
complies
with
and
doesn't
and
rule
on
it.
I
just
raised
those
issues
because
they're
of
concern
to
the
neighborhood
and
to
me
as
a
resident
on
that
road.
B
J
Yeah,
thank
you
for
your
comment,
so
I
just
want
to
reiterate
so
you
unders
is
my
understanding
that
you
understand
that
there's
no
requirement
for
anybody
else
in
the
neighborhood
to
be
annexed
into
the
city.
O
I
do
now
I
want,
but
look
I'm
I'm
a
lawyer
as
well.
You
know,
so
somebody
telling
me
in
a
conversation
at
the
side
of
my
road
and
somebody
saying
it
now
on
the
record-
means
a
lot
more
to
me
that
you're
saying
it
now
on
the
record,
then
somebody's
telling
that
to
me
on
the
side
of
the
road.
So
I
get
verification
of
that.
I'm
fine
with
that.
Yes,
I
do
understand
that,
but
I
wanted
verification
of
it.
O
C
O
A
A
A
Is
do
you
think
it
would
be
okay
to
stop
at
that
stop
sign
coming
out
of
your
location
and
and
making
sure,
because
that's
the
only
place
that
I
think
an
accent
could
happen
is
if
somebody
does
come
out
of
that
location,
because
the
other
two
are
it's
like
the
wild
west.
Well,.
O
I
think
our
neighborhood
we've
lived
there
for
so
long.
We
know
the
dangers
coming
out
of
south
florida
avenue.
Unfortunately,
not
everybody
that
comes
out
is
a
resident
there,
always
because
the
other
problem
we
have
we'd
like
a
howard
park,
sign
that's
more
visible
because
we
get
at
least
one
person
a
day
and
it's
probably
affecting
robert
more
than
me.
That
wants
to
know
where
howard
park
is
because
they
make
a
left
and
they
can't
find
it
at
the
end
of
the
road.
O
The
real
danger,
in
my
opinion,
is
cars
that
are
coming
from
south
florida
avenue
from
the
they're
heading
south.
They
don't
stop
and
as
we're
turning
left
they're
turning
left
and
they
hit
us,
I
mean,
I
think
everybody
in
our
neighborhood
stops,
but
the
concern
more
is:
we
have
to
be
very
diligent,
making
a
left
or
heading
heading
to
the
south,
because
cars
heading
to
the
south
from
florida
avenue
onto
curlew
place
do
not
stop,
and
I
don't
know
what
now,
whether
that's
traffic
or
what
we
do.
O
I
mean
I've
seen
the
police
down
there
on
on
curly
place
at
times
for
speeding
and
I've
seen
them
park
there
for
stopping
as
well
so
at
times
you
know,
so
I
think
that
that's
just
a
problem
with
that
intersection.
I
don't
have
a
great
answer.
I
I
see
this
flashing
stop
signs
at
mirrors.
I
don't
know
that'd
be
an
answer.
I
don't
know.
Omar
wants
flashing,
stop
signs.
A
Well,
I
feel
for
you
also,
I
live
on
riverside
and
I
tell
you
this
I'll
make
it
into
a
question.
I
I
have
a
sign
that
says
fred
howard
park,
and
it's
about
that
big
and
people
come
down
and
have
had
a
nickel
for
everybody.
That
asked
me
where
fred
howard
park
is
when
they
hit
the
dead
end.
O
Well,
omar's
about
to
find
that
out
when
he
finishes
his
house
over
here
because
he's
going
to
be
the
new
traffic
guy,
it'll,
probably
save
me
so
and
listen
we
well,
I
mean
we
welcome
the
family.
I
don't
think
anybody
in
the
neighborhood
opposes
having
another
family.
We
raised
our
children
there
and
he
was
raised
in
that
area
as
well.
So
I
think
these
are
really
the
main
concerns.
M
Mr
marcus,
you
stated
that
your
concerns
about
being
forced
into
the
city
through
annexation.
Why
don't
you
want
to
be
annexed
to
the
city.
O
I
think
there's
a
variety
of
reasons:
number
one
I've
been
used
to
being
in
the
county
for
so
long,
and
I
don't
know
that
I
want
a
whole
new
list
of
regulations
and
things
that
we
are
going
to
have
to
need
to
deal
with
to
be
in
that
I
don't
know
what
complexities
come
from
being
in
the
city.
I
haven't
analyzed
the
cost
issues
of
being
in
the
city
a
while
back.
It
seemed
to
be
more
expensive
from
where
we
were,
but
you
know
it's
it's
not
for
any
any
any.
O
M
Yes,
sir,
do
you
think
I
don't
know
the
exact
terminology?
Do
you
think,
like
those
bubble
mirrors
posted
at
one
of
those
intersections
may
help
with
visibility,
or
anything
like
that?
I.
O
O
B
O
B
I
do
have
a
couple
of
questions
one.
Would
you
be
satisfied
with
putting
a
condition
that
the
visibility
triangle
be
satisfied
that
would
you
saw
some
conversation
about
that.
O
I
mean
look,
the
preference
is,
he
said,
he's
going
to
comply,
I
don't
have
a
reason.
He
wouldn't.
If
you
all
put
conditions
on
it,
you
do
it.
I'm
not
mandating
that
we
want
it,
though,
not
to
cons
not
to
constrict
our
visibility
coming
out
of
the
neighborhood.
I
don't
know,
I
don't
even
know
what
the
visibility
condition
is
to
be
honest
with
you
just
say:
do
it
it
sounds
great.
I
assume
that
he's
going
to
have
to
comply
with
it
and
he
said
he
would
so
I
take
him
at
his
word.
B
O
B
B
You
do
know
that
a
requirement
to
being
and
extend
would
be
very
similar
to
what
mr
albas
is
experiencing,
that
if
he's
provided
water
and
sewer,
then
he
would
have
to
apply
for
annexation.
I
think
would
be
the
approach
that
the
the
correct
approach
I.
C
H
O
But
it's
not
out
of
research
and
you
know
delving
into
it.
It's
just
look.
You
have
one
going.
Does
it
start
the
rest?
We
talked
to
some
neighbors
and
I
think
that
we're
happy
with
the
neighborhood
the
way
it
exists,
it's
not
anything
against
the
city
or
being
in
the
city.
But
for
the
reasons
I've
said
about
just
historically
how
we've
lived
and
what
we've
done
and
we
kind
of
know
we're
dealing
with.
B
Okay,
I'll
just
take
your
two
points
with
what
you
made
as
far
as
the
the
sign
the
visibility
and
also
yeah.
O
And
by
the
way,
I
don't
speak
for
everybody
in
my
neighborhood.
I
got
my
other
neighbors
up
here
that
can
talk,
but
when
we've
talked
those
have
been
the
issues
that
I've
identified
and
shockingly
I'm
not
always
in
100
agreement
with
my
wife
either.
But
I
don't
care
personally,
whether
he's
in
or
out,
I'm
not
opposing
his
annexation.
If
she
wants
to.
C
O
O
B
Let's
move
on
ms
vinson:
do
you
have
any
cross-examination
for
mr
simarcus.
B
Q
What
I,
what
I
wanted
to
do
is
clarify
the
wall.
The
permit
for
the
wall
needs
to
be
in
the
front
and
the
and
the
front
of
the
wall
and
the
first
20
feet
back
has
to
be
three
feet
according
to
the
county.
That's
what
I
have
permitted,
that's
what
we're
building
the
city
is
actually
four
feet,
so
we're
building
it
lower
than
what
the
city
would
be.
We
don't
want,
we
don't
want
it
high.
We
want
to
build
it
as
low
as
we
can.
Also
the
footer
for
the
wall
is
four
foot.
Q
It's
48
inches
wide,
so
the
center
of
the
wall
is
actually
two
feet
off
of
the
property
line,
so
it
actually
is
coming
in
further.
So
when
you
stand
where
the
wall
is
going
to
be
even
at
my
height
and
you
go
to
the
stop
sign
or
even
further
back,
it
has
no
effect
on
your
view
at
any
other,
stop
sign
in
the.
Q
Good
and
I
did
submit
the
site
plan
to
renee
antique
to
kevin
that
shows
the
visibility
triangles,
which
is
they
at
the
county.
They
take
it
very
seriously.
I
had
to
have
three
of
them.
I
had
to
have
one
from
this:
stop
sign
one
from
the
stop
sign
and
one
from
my
driveway
as
well.
B
Thank
you,
mr
obviously,
all
right,
that's
it!
Thank
you
for
both
of
you.
Let's
go
to
public
comments.
C
C
It
really
scares
me
because
you
know,
if
I
move
into
your
nice
city,
then
my
taxes
go
up
and
lots
of
restrictions,
because
I'm
an
engineer,
I've
looked
into
what
it
takes
to
do
things
around
the
home.
I
mean
you
can,
hardly
you
know,
unplug
a
fan
without
having
to
get
a
permit.
So
I'm
not
real
keen
on
that,
and
I
would
like
to
keep
it
that
way
and
not
get
moved
into
moving.
C
C
Another
thing
I
want
to
point
out
is
annexation
of
the
dirt.
Is
what
you're
discussing
right
now?
What
you're
doing
right
now
is
also
a
pathway.
It
validates
a
process
for
builder
to
violate
your
regulations
and
yet
do
what
he
wants
to
in
another
regulations.
So
you're
validating
a
process
for
builders
to
you,
know
kind
of
skip
over
what
you've
written
and
just
do
as
they.
Please
almost
you
know,
so
they
can
pick
and
choose.
So
it's
interesting.
It's
your
deal
to
go
that
way,
I'm
just
pointing
it
out.
Also.
C
P
C
C
Do
not
stop
at
stop
signs,
so
something
beyond
a
stop.
Sign
has
got
to
be
put
in,
or
somebody
needs
to
somehow
tell
people
they
need
to
stop
and
uphold
this.
So
those
are
my
three
concerns
of
what's
going
on
here.
H
My
name
is
don
turek.
We
live
at
1123,
south
florida
avenue
at
the
end
of
the
street.
A
question
I
have,
though,
is,
is
the
stop
sign
and
the
stop
line,
which
is
considerably
back
from
the
intersection
as
it
currently
exists,
because
there's
always
a
vacant
lot.
There
is
that
under
your
wrist
and
jeff,
is
this
under
your
your
core
or
your
jurisdiction.
H
B
H
Wondering
if,
if
this
is
a
a
county
issued
to
have
this,
maybe
the
stop
line
moved
up
in
this
in
the
in
the
stop
sign,
maybe
repositioned
just
recently.
We
saw
something
that's
kind
of
humorous,
maybe
a
neighborhood
put
it
up,
but
this
that's
the
stop
sign
coming
south
down
florida
avenue.
We
happen
to
see
a
sign
in
a
neighborhood
that,
under
the
stop
sign
and
said,
stop
means
stop,
and
you
know
what
we
still
laugh
about
it,
but
it
impacts
us
it's
something
different
than
something.
H
I'm
sure
that
after
these
conversations
that
are
coming
up
right
now
about
that
intersection
and
we've
got
chief
young
here,
I'm
sure
there's
something
to
be
done
and
we
better
watch
out
and
everybody
else
better
watch
out
because
now
you're
on
notice,
I
mean
everybody
is
on
notice
and
he
has
a
responsibility
to
do
something
there
and
I'm
sure
he
does.
He
does
a
great
job.
We
re
and
we
appreciate
it.
H
I
too,
I've
been
I've
lived
here
for
30
years
and
I
can
tell
you
that
I'm
perfectly
happy
all
of
our
neighbors
are
perfectly
happy.
We
love
tarpon
springs.
We
don't
want
to
have
changes
we'd
like
things
like
they
are.
We
don't
like
things
being
forced
we
don't
like
forced
vaccinations.
Maybe
some
of
us
do.
I
don't
maybe
don't
forget
to
get
your
new
one
now,
what
I'm
saying
is
being
forced,
isn't
very,
isn't
very
friendly,
we're
friendly.
H
We
we're
happy
where
we
are
and
we
enjoy
our
our
lives,
how
how
they
are
now
we
welcome
omar
and
his
family.
We
have
all
met.
Him
seems
great
we're
happy
that
a
vacant
lot's
being
developed.
We
understand
what
he
did.
He
given
highest
and
best
use
on
his
property,
as
if
I
would
do
if
I
was
developing
it,
knowing
that
the
county
didn't
even
plan
a
septic
system,
they
said
you
have
to
tap
on
it
onto
the
city
water.
H
I
didn't
know
that
he
told
me
that
and
when
I
said
that
he
said
I
even
have
it
in
writing,
because
he
didn't
know
that
he
said
he
was
being
required.
He
didn't
he
excuse
me,
he
was
being
forced
to
hook
onto
the
city
water.
There
wasn't
an
option,
although
I
know
I'm
sure
I
should
say
I
don't
know
positively.
I
can't
identify
that
there
are
many
other
properties
that
are
in
the
unincorporated
county
that
are
tapped
onto
the
city.
Sewers
are
each
one
of
those
the
variants
I've
come
before
this
board.
H
H
H
I
just
don't
understand
why
and
if
there's,
if
it's
a
land
grab
of
any
sort
or
if
there's
any
financial
reasons,
maybe
for
the
city,
whether
it
be
someone
mentioned
fema,
you
say:
is
this
going
to
affect
female
rules?
Well,
our
properties,
all
probably
would
affect
your
female
rating
because
we're
all
underwater
so
we're
a
little
concerned.
Is
that
why
we
don't
get
grabbed?
H
I
don't
know
if
there's
a
five-year
plan,
a
20-year
plan
or
a
50-year
plan,
it's
getting
too
crowded.
In
my
opinion,
every
inch,
the
other
proposals
we
saw
every
inch
of
the
properties
are
being
developed
with
as
much
on
it
as
you
can
possibly
put
it's
not
my
it's
not
my
choice.
We
like
our
little
alcove
here.
We
don't
want
any
more
encroachment.
H
B
C
H
Yes,
I
was
present
during
during
that
portion.
A
R
Yeah
mark
this
is
peter
delacas
at
514
ashland
avenue,
and
this
is
great
because
I
can
be
here
and
I
can
pull
up
the
property
appraiser
records
and
take
a
look
and
see
that,
basically,
you
are
creating
an
enclave.
If
you.
D
D
R
Well,
I
did
hear
you
do
it
and
I
did
raise
my
hand
here,
but
I'll
do
it
again.
I
do
swear
and
affirm
that
everything
I
say
will
be
of
the
truth.
Nothing,
but
the
truth
so
help
me.
God.
R
Thank
you
all
right.
So
again,
if
you
look
at
the
criteria,
you're
not
supposed
to
create
an
enclave,
but
you
are
just
to
the
east
of
this
property.
The
pinellas
county
records
show
it's
christopher,
and
diana
robinson
to
the
west
is
the
hearns
to
the
south
is
another
county.
This
property
is
totally
surrounded
by
county
you're.
Only
jumping
across
the
road-
and
I
know
renee
gave
an
explanation
that
the
development
to
the
east
that
the
those
people
south
of
this
property
could
also
themselves
annex
in
because
they
are
budding
this
canal.
R
That
would
be-
and
I
also
have
an
issue
with
people
who
start
in
the
county
and
then
they
don't
necessarily
get
everything
they
want,
and
then
they
come
over
to
tarpon.
That's
what
happened
out
at
east
lake
with
the
pioneer
development.
They
only
had
one
house
per
two
acres.
They
came
to
tarpon.
They
can
get
one
house
per
one
acre.
R
So
my
concern
is
setting
a
pattern
of
continuing
allowing
people
to
start
things
in
the
county
and
when
they
don't
get
what
they
want
in
the
county
jumping
over
to
the
city,
but
I
do
think
you
have
grounds
to
deny
annexation,
because
I
believe
you
are
creating
an
enclave.
This
is
a
property
totally
surrounded
by
unincorporated
lots.
Thank
you.
B
Thank
you,
mr
dilakis.
Anyone
else,
mr
jump.
B
Has
been,
does
jacobs
any
emails
to
be
right
on
the
record?
No
mr
trask,
on
on
rebuttal
to
the
public
comments
is
that
just
for
the
applicant.
D
B
L
No,
I
would
just
respectfully
disagree.
This
property
is
contiguous
under
our
statutes
and
can
be
annexed.
B
Thank
you,
mr
abbas,
do
you
have
anything
that
you'd
like
to
offer
mr
marcus
okay?
L
B
I'd
like
to
ask
the
commission
whether
you
have
any
comments
and
any
any
additional
conditions
that
you
might
want
to
add
to
the
to
the
approval
of
this
ordinance
before
we
move
to
the
actual
motion,
and
second,
nice
mirror
blunt.
B
J
That
means
a
couple
quick
comments.
All
the
cartier
has
been
made:
it's
not
an
enclave.
It's
clear
that
the
property
across
the
street
is
literally
in
the
city
of
tarpon
springs,
so
they
can
annex.
So
I
think
the
staff
did
a
really
good
job
with
all
the
backup.
Thanks.
M
B
Okay,
a
couple
I
have
a
couple
of
things,
one
as
far
as
the
annexation
of
other
properties.
With
regard
to
this
particular
one
I
did
speak
to
mr
smith
and
basically
we're
providing
service
public
service
just
for
this
one
home.
B
It's
very
much
questionable
whether
there's
even
any
additional
commission
capacity
for
a
second
home,
mr
obvious
is
gonna-
have
to
provide
a
mini,
lift
station
on
his
property
on
his
property
that
he
has
to
maintain
in
order
to
have
sewer
assume
the
waters
would
have
been
provided
to
the
other
residents.
So
that's
not
going
to
require
them
to
an
extent
since
that
water
is
probably
provided
before
the
annex
ordinance
went
in.
B
So
as
far
as
I
I
can
tell
you
the
history
of
southward
avenue,
this
particular
subdivision,
which
it
is
coquina
beach
subdivision,
is
not
on
the
books
for
a
very,
very,
very,
very
long
time
of
receiving
sewers.
So,
given
that
there
isn't
any
ability
for
the
city
to
require
you
to
annex
in,
so
I
want
to
put
that
at
ease.
B
I
know
it
may
be
okay
with
the
applicant,
but
if
the
applicant
doesn't
live
there
forever,
the
other
owner
inherits
the
issue
and,
quite
frankly,
I
think
we've
got
an
opportunity
and
quite
I'd
and
the
applicant
said
he
didn't
have
an
issue
with
it
to
go
ahead
and
approve
annexation,
but
with
the
condition
that
we
keep
it
as
r3
until
some
foreseeable
action
by
the
city
that
required.
That
would
require
us
to
change
it.
That
way.
There's
a
couple
of
things.
B
There
would
be
any
question
that
the
applicant
or
anybody
else
that
would
be
making
allegations
that
he
was
gaming.
The
system,
because
he's
not
gaining
anything
by
annexing
and
his
his
zoning
would
be
identical.
He
would
be
conforming
if
he
wishes
to
come
in
to
get
a
permit
for
every
anything
else.
He
would
not
have
to
go
unless,
of
course,
whatever
he
wants
to
do
would
encroach
into
the
setbacks
of
an
r3.
D
B
Pardon
me
r100,
that's
correct,
r100
I'd
like
to
suggest
keeping
it
as
an
r3
which,
by
the
way,
is
the
same
zoning
as
the
rest
of
the
neighborhood
and-
and
I
do
want
to
point
out
that
it
is
a
platted
subdivision.
This
is
kogina
beach
subdivision.
I
think
there's
26
lots
there,
and
this
is
just
one
of
them,
although
it
may
be
less
because
this
is
this
slot
and
one
next
door
is
combined
out
of
three
two
lots
out
of
three.
So
that's
all
I
would
recommend
so
with
that.
J
Yeah
sure,
okay
motion
to
approve
annexation-
I'm
sorry,
ordnance,
2022-10
annexation,.
M
C
B
Okay,
let's
have
commissioner
comments
on
that
anybody
else
have
anything
to
say
this
does
not
affect
the
zoning.
Is
that
correct?
Mr
trask.
D
Yes,
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
read
ordinance
2022-08,
an
ordinance
of
the
city
of
tarpon
springs
florida
amending
the
future
land
use
map
for
0.25
acres,
more
or
less
of
real
property
located
at
1093,
south
florida
avenue
and
the
southeast
corner
of
south
florida
avenue
and
curlew
place
from
pinellas
county
land
use,
designation,
rs,
residential,
suburban,
the
city
of
tarpon
springs,
land-use
designation,
rs,
residential,
suburban
application,
number
22-19
providing
for
findings
and
providing
an
effective
date.
That
was
the
reading
of
ordinance
2022-08
by
title.
D
A
B
No,
that's,
okay.
Okay,
the
only
reason
this
was
not
quasi-judicial,
but
if
the
other
one
went
the
other
way,
this
would
probably
be.
You
wouldn't
want
to
do
this
one
first,
because
the
other
ones
would
have
been
denied
got.
J
B
J
J
J
B
Yes,
okay,
the
last
one
was
to
try.
Yes,.
D
Mayor
this
is
ordinance
2022-09,
an
ordinance
of
the
city
of
tarpon
springs
florida
amending
the
official
zoning
atlas
of
the
city
of
turpin
springs
for
zero
to
0.25
acres,
more
or
less
of
real
property
located
at
1093,
south
florida
avenue
on
the
southeast
corner
of
south
florida
avenue
and
curley
place
from
pinellas
county
zoning,
designation,
r3,
single
family
residential,
the
city
of
tarpon
springs;
zoning,
designation,
r,
100
single
family,
residential
application,
number
22-19,
providing
for
findings
and
providing
an
effective
date.
There
was
the
first
reading
of
ordinance,
22
20
22-09
by
title.
D
D
Would
remain
as
the
county
or
zoning
designation
of
r3
until
the
city
takes
action
on
it.
B
D
D
Then
this
ordinance
would
fail
and
then
it
would
remain
in
the
county's
r3
zoning,
which
is
a
little
odd.
I've
never
seen
this
done
before
me
too,
so
I
have.
D
So
so
the
answer
is
this:
if
you'd,
if
you
don't
adopt
this,
the
r3
category
is
the
county
category.
I
understand
it's.
C
L
So
all
right-
we've
done
this
before
with
land
use,
we
haven't
done
it
with
zoning,
but
essentially
just
like
we
crack
open
a
zoning
ordinance
and
look
at
ours
for
our
applicable
property.
We
have
access
to
the
pinellas
county
zoning
codes.
You
know
we
can.
If
we
needed
to
this
is
very
unique:
it's
one
property.
L
L
L
J
He
won't
be
able
to
rebuild
his
house
where
the
way
it
sits
today,
there's
no
grandfathering
end,
there's
nothing
along
those
lines.
So
if
you
keep
the
r3
designation,
then
the
property
owner
still
has
his
right.
Technically
your
grandfather
in
at
that
point
to
build
in
the
same
footprint
that
he's
built
on
now.
So
I
think
that's
the
premise.
J
A
Without
a
doubt,
okay,
my
two
questions
would
be
who
does
the
permitting
on
the
rest
of
this
house?
If
we
go
r3
it'll.
A
It'll
still
be
the
city:
where
do
the
taxes
for
the
property?
Is
that
a
city
property?
Now?
Yes,
so
the
give
me
the
clarification
of
the
difference.
I
understand
that
between
three
and
100.
But
what
are
the
pros
and
cons
of
keeping
it
at
three
other
than
what
I
just
heard.
Is
there
anything
else
that.
L
I
think
it's
really
just
a
record-keeping
issue.
I
mean
zoning,
is
zoning
between
the
county
and
how
it's
administered
and
how
it's
administered
in
a
municipality
is
not
we
all
pretty
much
work
in
the
same
arena.
You're
talking
about
a
change
of
setbacks,
the
height
I
will
say
this:
the
height
in
pinellas
county
is
probably
45
feet,
not
35
feet.
So
that
is
that's
a
con.
L
So
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
you're,
aware
of
that,
the
setbacks
are
going
to
you
know
would
stay
the
same,
but
I'm
99.9
sure-
and
I
can
look
it
up-
that
the
height
is
actually
40
he's
not
taking
advantage
of
that.
But
but
the
height
is
45
feet
in
pinellas
county.
So
let's
say
it
gets
blown
off
the
foundation
or
he
sells
the
property,
and
somebody
wants
to
come
in
and
add
another
story
to
it
that
can
have
an
adverse
impact
on
on
surrounding
properties
as
well.
L
G
A
C
L
A
The
I
know
there
was
some
discussion
on
putting
in
a
pool
that
would
be
an
issue
for
the
builder,
because
under
pinellas
he
would
not
be
able
to,
but
under
tarpon
he
would.
L
D
C
J
J
Question
so
this
is
an
ordinance
there's
two
readings,
there's
a
first
reading,
which
is
tonight
and
there's
a
second
reading
it.
I
would
make
a
suggestion
that
we
make
an
approval
tonight
and
we
do
some
more
research
with
our
staff
before
the
second
reading,
because
it
could
still
be
denied
in
the
second
reading.
B
M
I
just
wanted
to
bring
up
if
the
properties
in
our
100
catastrophic
disaster
happens.
50
50
of
the
house
gets
knocked
down
more
than
likely.
There's
gonna
be
a
lot
of
houses
nearby
with
some
type
of
catastrophic
you
know,
so
the
the
ability
to
get
a
setback
granted
would
be
through
the
board
of
adjustments
or
back
through
our
planning
and
zoning
board.
M
B
I
I
think
the
point
is
if
it
was
an
r3,
you
don't
need
to
get
a
variance,
build
it
right
back
where
it
was
versus
the
r100.
But
I
don't
have
an
issue
with
proceeding
the
way
approving
it
right
now
and
and
then
maybe
you
can
talk
to
the
applicant
a
little
more
and
I'm
not
even
he,
mr
abbas
didn't,
have
an
objection
but
I'll
bring
this
up
again
at
the
second
reading.
So
if
there
aren't
any
other
comments,
roll
call
please.
C
B
Okay,
we've
got
a
let's
go
down
here.
D
D
I'll
read
the
rules
real
quick
now
this
is
a
questionable
proceeding
where
the
board
of
commissioners
acts
an
acquisition
rather
than
legislative
capacity
at
a
quasi-judicial
hearing
is
not
the
board's
function
to
make
law,
but
rather
to
apply
law
that
has
already
been
established
in
a
quadratical
hearing.
The
board
is
required
by
law
to
make
findings
the
fact,
based
upon
the
evidence
presented
at
the
hearing
and
apply
those
findings
of
fact
to
previously
established
criteria
contained
in
the
code
of
ordinances
in
order
to
make
a
legal
decision
regarding
the
application
before
it.
D
The
board
may
only
consider
evidence
that
this
hearing
that
the
law
considers
competent,
substantial
and
relevant
to
the
issues
if
the
competent
substantial
relevant
evidence
of
the
hearing
demonstrates
that
the
applicant
has
met
the
criteria
established
code
of
ordinances,
then
the
board
is
required
by
law
to
find
in
favor
of
the
applicant.
By
the
same
token,
if
the
competent,
substantial
and
relevant
evidence
of
the
hearing
demonstrate,
the
applicant
has
failed
to
meet
the
criteria
established
in
the
code
of
audiences,
then
the
board
is
required
by
law
defined
against
the
applicant.
D
B
Okay:
okay,
miss
vincent
is
the
applicant
here
this
evening.
It's
a
gentleman
standing
there.
Okay,
let
me
just
get
straight
to
the
the
commissioner
had
any
ex
parte
communications
concerning
this
matter.
L
You
this
is
application
22-08.
This
is
an
application
for
a
permitted
use
by
right
or
a
car
wash
for
property
on
us,
19
south
of
tarpon
avenue.
This
is
the
project
site.
Previously,
this
was
used
as
a
car
sales
for
for
car
sales,
so
the
proposed
car
proposed
use
is,
as
a
car
wash.
L
The
I'm
going
to
keep
this
very
high
level,
since
this
is
a
permitted
use
by
right.
You
know
it
does
meet
the
requirements
of
the
land
development
code,
they're,
actually,
removing
we
get
to
the
site
plan
they'll
be
removing
two
entrance
to
existing
entrances
on
u.s
19.
So
access
will
come
off
of
lemon
street
to
the
south.
That's
a
two-way
entrance
circulation
through
the
property
and
there's
a
one
way
out
one.
I
can't
remember
that
street
name
up
there.
L
Thank
you
on
court
street
they're,
actually
reducing
the
impervious
surface
area.
They
are
providing
for
storm
water
retention.
This
will
come
off
of
septic
and
onto
city
sewer.
They
have
a
substantial
landscape
plan.
They
are
planting
about.
I
think
28
trees
on
the
property,
so,
in
all
respects
this
is
definitely
a
prove,
an
improvement
from
what's
what
has
been
there
in
the
past
again,
the
this
is
compliant.
We
do
have
some
conditions,
but
we
don't
see
any
issues
with
compliance
of
the
land,
development
code
or
the
comprehensive
plan
or
concurrency
management.
L
L
These
actually
have
recirculating
systems
in
them,
so
the
water
gets
reused
and
recycled
on
site.
So
it
actually
is
not
an
actually
a
huge
user
of
of
city
potable
water.
Their
estimates
are
3,
900
gallons
a
day.
L
The
from
a
traffic
perspective,
the
the
increase
on
this
for
this
use
beyond
what
was
there
before
is
an
increase
of
about
44
peak
hour
trips
per
day,
so
it's
deemed
a
diminished
minimum
impact,
and
so
no
additional
traffic
studies
were
needed.
L
The
staff
recommendation
is
approval
of
the
site
plan,
subject
to
recommended
conditions
addressing
extension
of
sewer
service.
The
removal
of
the
two
access
points
off
of
19.
regarding
number
three.
This
will
be
changed.
The
applicant
has
indicated
that
they
will
intend
to
do
intent
to
pay
into
the
the
public
art
fund
as
opposed
to
doing
an
art
project
on
site.
We
got
confirmation
of
that
last
week.
L
L
M
M
Okay
and
the
previous
use
was
estimated
to
have
34
peak
hour,
trips,
16
and
3
and
18
exiting
yes.
L
M
L
They
have
to
enter
via.
I
don't
have
a
lemon
or
lemon
street
lemon
correct.
They
enter
via
lemon.
They
can
also
exit
via
lemon,
but
more
than
likely
they'll
exit
through
up
to
court.
L
B
There's
no
bathroom
is
that
typical
for
this
project.
I'm
gonna
have
to
do
that.
First,
the
applicant.
I
don't
see
anything
in
the
building
or
anything
like
that.
Well,
I'll,
ask
the
apple.
L
B
B
C
Jason
sheridan
agent
for
the
applicant
address
is
5755.
Rio,
vesta
drive,
clearwater
florida.
C
B
Do
you
I'm
sorry,
you
said
you'd
be
happy
to
ask
question
answer
questions?
Yes,
okay,
does
the
commission
have
any
questions
commission
vice
mayor
lund,.
C
C
Considered
19.
the
exit
on
the
court
street's
a
it's
a
bailout
lane.
So
that's
if
you
know
if
something
were
to
happen
and
you
couldn't
make
it
through
the
car
wash
the
bail
out
lanes
provided
so
typically,
you
would
go
through
the
car
wash
then
through
the
vacuum
stalls
and
then
back
out
through
lemons,
two-way.
J
Yeah
you're
just
going
to
create
more
business
for
queen's
pizza.
What's
going
to
happen
here,
so
I'm
sure
they're
going
to
be
happy
about
it.
Good
question
question:
I
have
so
there's
an
eight-foot
buffer
landscape
buffer
around
the
property.
J
J
So
my
question
to
you
is
at
minimum:
would
you
be
willing
to
add
an
additional
layer,
because
one
of
the
struggles
that
we
run
into
here
within
the
city
is
that
the
the
shrubbery
will
end
up
dying
off
and
then
it's
cut
down
at
the
ground,
and
then
you
have
lights
going
into
the
roadway
at
that
point,
and
so
this
is
my
reason
for
the
question
is:
would
you
be
willing
to
put
a
second
layer
in
using
a
native
plant
of
some
sort?
You
could
make
the
choice
of
what
plant
you
want
to
do.
J
I
made
a
couple
suggestions
of
like
a
coonty
palm
or
a
fish.
I'm
sorry
firebush,
which
are
both
native
that
doesn't
require
any
water
as
a
second
layer
and
that's
the
reasoning
behind
it
is
because
there's
just
so
many
of
those
that
have
died
off.
C
Yeah
I've
seen
that
this
this
is
the
shrubs
sarissa
shrub.
So
it's
it's
a
fairly
tall,
it's
about
three
feet
tall
and
it's
it's
pretty
dense,
similar
to
the
the
shrubs
at
the
adjacent
cps,
the
current
property
owner
or
like
in
front
of
the
fairman
chevrolet
along
southbound
us
19..
J
B
J
C
We
could
look
at
that.
I
can
talk
to
the
owner
about
that.
It's
definitely
an
option,
but
with
that
with
the
shrub
that
we
had
provided
it
wouldn't
really
that
would
be
dense
enough.
Where
you,
you,
wouldn't
see
it.
If
it
was
behind
it,
you
would
have
almost
have
to
put
it
in
front
of
the
right-of-way
to
be
seen
so
that
wouldn't
provide
any
additional
screening
on
on
vehicular
lights.
M
J
J
Us19
and
court,
I'm
sorry
and
lemon
street
court
street's
not
a
big
deal
because
you're
going
right
into
cvs,
but
it
would
be
at
minimum.
It
would
be
u.s,
19
and
lemon
street
would
be
the
area
that
I
would
look
at.
J
C
It
is,
we
actually
have
throughout
the
state
it's
13
of
them
right
now,.
C
Yeah
they're,
a
couple
of
them
are
going
to
be
co.
Co-Brands,
not
not
tarpon.
I
think,
there's
a
there's.
An
oil
change
to
the
north
that
they're
doing
yeah.
J
C
Believe
they're,
both
okay,
there
are
the
monthly
subscriptions
and
definitely
the
one-time
use.
J
C
B
Carr,
let
me
interrupt
a
second
we're
approaching
the
witching
hour
here
at
10
55
11
o'clock.
I
want
to
ask
a
couple
of
questions.
One
can
the
last
two
items
which
I
think
is
the
the
one
concerning
mr
trask,
with
the
reduction
of
fines
and
also
the
rules
of
procedure.
Can
that
be
deferred
to
the
next
meeting.
F
B
B
B
B
B
Yeah
yeah,
you
don't
know
how
much
this
pains
me
by
the
way.
So
all
right,
roll
call,
please,
commissioner.
Yes.
B
B
A
M
Yes,
sir,
the
way
the
diagram
looks
like
people
can
go
and
vacuum
their
cars
without
having
to
go
through
the
car
wash
is,
that
is
that
free.
M
How
are
you
going
to
determine
before
they
go
through
the
line
if
they
can
turn
right
into
the
the
vacuum
area?
I'm
just
I'm
assuming
they
have
that
worked
out.
Logistically.
C
M
B
Okay,
is
there
going
to
be
a
bathroom
yeah.
C
Yeah,
these
are
the
site
plan
reviews,
so
they
they
are.
There
are
restrooms,
they
will
be
submitted
in
the
voting
permit
package
on
the
architectural
plans.
C
C
I
believe
it's
7-7
or
7-7
or
possibly
7-8.
C
C
Will
be
on
on-site
at,
I
believe
it's
three.
B
C
B
L
B
Okay,
I
think,
with
that
we,
mr
traskin,
was
so
mistaken.
It's
getting
late.
We
closed
the
public
hearing
on
that.
D
B
C
B
And
let's
go
to
a
any
commissioner
comments
before
we
go
to
a
motion
on
this.
J
To
say
I
mean
this
is
a
good
to
see.
This
is
like
an
entirely
impervious
piece
of
land,
so
it
goes
from
a
car
lot
to
having
multiple
areas
of
with
the
pond
and
trees
and
also
eliminating
two
driveways
going
out
in
the
us
19
in
between
two
close
roads.
So
this
is
a
nice
improvement
to
the
area
of
19
on
the
east
side
of
19.
So
I
think
it's
something
that
we
should
be
excited
about.
B
That
was
it
okay,
so
let's
go
now
to.
B
J
There
you
have
it
30
minutes
down
here
as
a
or
someone
else,
someone
put
30
minutes
down
as
an
estimated
timeline.
I
know
the
meeting
was
scheduled
until
11
15
that
we
went
to
do
you
feel
comfortable
moving
on
or
do
we
want
to
adjourn.
B
A
D
Thank
you,
mayor
resolution
2022-18,
a
resolution
of
the
board
of
commissioners
of
the
city
of
tarpon
springs
florida,
adopting
certain
rules
of
procedure
for
the
board
of
commissioners,
repealing
resolution
2021-22
and
all
resolutions
of
conflict
here
with
and
providing
for
an
effective
date.
Here
of
that
was
reading
resolution
2022-18
by
title
only
thank
you.
F
This
this
was
this
document
was
put
together
from
what
we
had
listened
to
and
heard
from
the
commission.
Obviously
we
did
a
test
tonight
and
it
seems
like
everything
worked
with
it.
However,
anything
on
that
document
can
be
changed
by
you,
but,
as
we
see
most
everything
zoom
sounds
a
lot
better
than
it
did
when
we
were
doing
it
during
covet.
So
that's
a
good
sign,
so
it's
tested,
it
seemed
to
have
worked
tonight
and
I
guess
it's
just
on
the
board.
F
If
any
of
the
any
things
we
did
tonight
or
was
on
or
is
in
that
document,
if
they
want
to
change
and
adjust
that
that's
fully
up
to
the
commissions,
we
just
try
to
do
a
model
of
everybody's
conversation
and
from
what
we've
seen
tonight
at
work.
So
I'd
leave
it
to
if
there's
any
changes
that
the
consensus
of
the
board
wants
to
make
it
again.
This
is
a
resolution,
so
you
can
change
it
in
a
month.
C
R
I
did
have
a
concern
about
on
the
article
two
agenda
number
one
agenda,
preparation,
there's
a
red
section
here
says
matters
placed
on
the
agenda
by
the
mayor
or
any
commissioner
must
be
related
to
the
adoption
or
implementation
of
matters
of
policy.
I
don't
recall
a
discussion
about
that
coming
up,
but
who's
and
what
definition
of
policy
defines
what
someone
could
bring
up,
because
there
could
be
many
things
that
could
be
brought
up
that
at
some
point
could
be
related
to
policy
or
some
things
of
others.
So
I
was
kind
of
curious
about
that.
R
I
didn't
know
if
the
attorney
or
somebody
could
elaborate
on
that,
and
I
do
appreciate
the
fact
that
you
allow
people
to
call
in
and
the
way
I
see
you
set
up
the
email
system,
I'm
glad
to
see
that
it
looks
like
you
have
it
defined.
I
haven't
tried
it
yet,
but
there's
one
to
the
clerks,
I
guess
for
the
red
to
the
records
and
then
the
boc
at
ctsfl-
and
the
only
thing
I
will
reiterate
is
what
I
spoke
about
before
the
radio
station.
R
This
is
a
way
to
create
public
access.
You
can
broadcast
your
meetings
and
then
also,
as
I
mentioned,
we
can
also
have
other
types
of
shows
on
there,
as
well
as
on
our
tv
channel,
where
we
have
more
public
access
and
access
not
only
to
commissioners
but
to
staff.
We
could
have
one
like
paul
come
in
people.
Can
you
know,
ask
him
questions,
we
tape
it.
We
put
that
on
there's
so
many
ways.
We
can
inform
the
public
about
what's
going
on
in
the
city
and
we're
not
utilizing
our
our
options.
R
We've
got
media
options
between
our
tv
and
radio
to
broaden
the
scope
of
awareness
and
knowledge
to
our
residents
and
also
to
the
people
outside
of
that.
So
I
would
only
suggest
that
we
look
at
that
as
some
way
of
expanding
how
we
in
the
city
do
our
things.
Yes,
my
time's
up,
god
bless.
Y'all,
have
a
good
night.
B
Okay,
we
have
a
motion
to
approve
and
then
we
can
go
into
commission
comments.
C
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
the
clause
there
about
policy
is
because
we
want
to
be
a
policy
policy-making
body
and
we
don't
want
to
put
unnecessary
things
on
the
agenda
like
like
change.
This
light
bulb
or
do
this
differently
or
whatever
we'd
rather
set
we'd.
Rather
let
the
city
and
the
city
staff
make
those
kind
of
recommendations.
While
we
focus
on
the
overall
direction
of
the
city.
J
Yeah
just
a
couple
comments.
I
do
not
agree
with
being
able
to
donate
time
still
that
was
a
discussion.
I
think
that
I
brought
up
last
time
and
then
from
emails.
I
agree
that
emails
should
be
put
in
the
record,
but
I
don't
agree
that
they
should
be
read
at
each
item.
I
think
that's
going
to
be
an
issue
to
the
board
that
we're
going
to
have
to
readdress.
J
So
with
that,
I
can't
support
these
the
rules
with
those
two
items.
Again,
that's
just
the
additional
time
that
can
be
donated
in
person.
I've
just
watched
a
lot
of
individuals.
Take
advantage
of
that,
and
I
think
you
have
four
minutes.
You
should
be
able
to
speak
what
you
want
in
four
minutes
and
then
again.
J
B
Thank
you,
commissioner.
A
Well,
I
do
would
I
would
like
to
have
the
extra
two
minutes
in
some
of
the
people
up
on
this
border
who
needed
those
two
minutes
prior
to
being
on
the
board.
If
it
gets
out
of
hand,
we
can
always
change
it,
but
right
now
we
need
to
get
the
residents
feeling
like
they
can
be
hurt
and
that
hasn't
been
felt
for
quite
a
number
of
years.
A
So
I
am
in
on
that
100,
but
I
also
wanted
to
discuss
this
questioning
getting
questions
in
on
either
one
way
or
another.
If
somebody
doesn't
want
to
have
a
question
posted
or
sent
out
to
the
other
commissioners,
that's
fine,
but
I
would
like
the
other
commissioners.
At
least
you
know
not
on
simple
things
that
it's
a
gimme
but
on
things
that
I
think
we
should
all
know
about.
A
If
I'm
asking
a
question
just
like
we
sit
up
here
and
and
I'll
listen
to
vice
mayor
lund
and
he's
going
to
ask
a
question,
I
go
wow,
that's
a
great
idea
and
I
can
capitalize
off
that
we
lose
that
and
I
don't
want
to
lose
that
I
want
to
be
able
to
have
five
thinking
heads
up
here
that
can
bring
up
items
that
we
can
all
tee
off
of.
So
I'm
happy
to
agree
with
what
this
is
about,
but
I
would
like
to
tweak
it
a
little
bit.
B
F
And
I
think
we
can,
I
think
I
think
that's
a
good
suggestion
talk
with
everyone
and
they
want
to
put
into
record
put
into.
I
think
we
we
can.
We
can
do
that.
I
think
I
understand
everybody's
now
and
when
I
converse
with
you
and
answer
questions
then
we
can.
We
can
take
care
of
that
right
then,
including
the
record.
I
think
the.
B
A
A
C
B
C
M
Well,
I
wanted
to
say
that
we're
on
the
right
track.
I
believe
public
comments
at
the
beginning
of
the
meeting.
You
can
only
donate
from
one
individual
to
get
a
total
of
six
minutes,
so
we've
limited
that
to
six
minutes
as
opposed
to
10
minutes.
I'm
all
for
zoom
participation,
two
minutes
to
be
able
to
speak
on
a
topic
is
more
than
enough:
the
email.
If
it
was
solely
up
to
me
it
would
be
one
minute
long
to
save
time
to
to
get
get
it
into
the
record
but
move
forward.
M
We're
moving
we're
moving
in
a
direction,
that's
the
public's,
being
included
throughout
the
whole
process.
I
went
and
looked
back
at
the
strategic
plan.
Presentation
and
just
off
the
facebook
live
streams
we
had
over
400
and
whether
they're
watching
it
for
15
seconds
or
30
seconds.
It's
no
different
from
the
account
that
you
would
get
off
the
youtube
channel,
so
we're
getting
exposure
and
that's
what
it's
about
regarding
any
questions
in
the
future,
I'm
just
going
to
refer
back
to
the
city
manager
in
the
bottom
of
my
email.
M
If
it's
available
to
share
to
the
board
without
sunshine
law,
violations
go
ahead
and
share
it,
because
a
lot
of
the
questions
that
I
asked
were
preset
that
I'd
ask
city
staff
regarding
certain
items
that
we
talked
about
and
that's
probably
the
process
I'm
gonna
go
about,
but
it's
gonna
be
difficult
mondays.
We
see
how
the
backups
are
and
how
they
can
be
revised.
M
B
So
other
than
that
we
have
a
second
I
mean
first
and
the
second
so
roll
call
please,
commissioner,.
B
M
B
Yes,
we've
got
one
minute
left
I'd
like
to
defer
the
other
items,
which
I
think
was
nine
and
ten
to
another
to
a
future
meeting.
Do
I
have
to
do
anything
without
mr
trasker?
Just
let
him.
C
Week
starts
tomorrow
through
the
17th,
we'll
be
having
our
memorial
service
tomorrow
night
at
7
p.m.
Thank
you
for
the
comment.