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A
A
A
A
I
called
to
order
the
regular
session
of
the
board
of
commissioners
of
the
city
of
tarpon
springs
on
tuesday
may
24
2022
at
6
30
pm
before
we
go
into
a
roll
call,
I'd
like
to
make
an
announcement
that
commissioner
carl
will
be
20
to
30
minutes
late
roll
call.
Please.
B
A
I'd
also
like
to
announce
this
evening
that
filling
in
for
our
city
attorney,
mr
trask
is
ms
nancy
meyer
sitting
to
my
right
this
evening.
We'll
have
an
invocation
by
reverend
kurt
snare
of
saint
timothy's
lutheran
church.
If
we
can
all
stand
and
then
turn
and
pledge
allegiance
afterwards,.
C
Most
high
and
triune
god
we
give
you
thanks
that
you
have
blessed
us
with
your
constant
presence,
your
guidance
and
your
love.
We
pray
that
you
would
give
us
your
wisdom,
as
you
have
entrusted
us
to
be
stewards
of
this
incredible
city
that
we
live
in,
be
with
all
who
live
and
play
and
work
and
and
are.
A
E
Well,
thank
you,
mr
mayor.
I
don't
think
I'll
need
that
long,
but
thank
you.
My
name
is
keith
meyer
and
I
came
tonight
because
I
am
one
of
your
circuit
judges
and
I
know
people
don't
know
too
much
about
your
judges
and
I'm
trying
over
the
next
few
months
to
make
it
to
every
municipal
meeting.
I
can
to
answer
questions.
The
public
may
have
about
their
circuit
courts
every
six
years.
E
We
are
up
for
re-election
and
oftentimes
people,
don't
know
who
we
are
or
what
we
do,
but
everyone
in
this
room
is
one
of
my
constituents
because
my
circuit
is
all
of
pasco
all
of
pinellas
county.
So
I
just
wanted
to
make
myself
available
if
anybody
had
and
I
can
make
it
to
the
end
of
the
meeting
and
with
all
disclosure,
I
usually
say
I
may
get
called
home
by
my
wife
for
dinner,
but
my
wife
is
sitting
up
there
representing
you
as
your.
E
E
And
that'll
make
it
to
my
cell
phone
and
I'll
be
happy
to
chat
with
you
and
let
you
know
anything
I
can.
I
can't
discuss
pending
litigation
of
any
kind
or
get
into
hot
button
political
issues,
but
I
can
tell
you
about
about
me
and
and
who
I
am
again:
keith
meyer
and
I've
been
serving
as
your
circuit
judge
for
the
last
12
years
and
the
election
that
I
speak
of
is
on
august
23rd.
So
thank
you
for
having
me,
mr
mayor.
Thank.
D
G
Thank
you,
commissioners,
and
thank
you
judge,
I'm
a
local
attorney,
so
I
don't
know
I've
not
been
in
your
circle
and
you're
in
front
of
you
yet,
but
eventually
I
might
be
sure
before
I
start
you
know.
We
excuse
me.
I
think
when
we
gave
grace
today,
we
we
forgot,
or
we
omitted
those
elementary
school
children
that
were
needlessly
gunned
down
today
in
texas.
G
So
you
know,
I
think
a
mention
of
that
should
be
should
be
had,
but
I'm
here
I
was
asked
to
speak
on
behalf
of
of
tarpon
youth
football
tarpon,
youth
football
is
attempting
to
grow
its
program
and
keep
our
children
close
to
home,
and
that
kind
of
ties
in
what
happened
to
texas
is
about
nurturing
our
children.
G
And
so
when
that
child
gets
to
a
point
where
they're
going
to
go,
play
high
school
football
or
whatever
they
tend
to
want
to
gravitate
towards
those
kids
that
they
played
with
out
of
east
lake
countryside
et
cetera.
We
want
to
keep
our
talent,
that
is,
that
is
in
town,
that
the
talent
that
we
cultivate
should
not
be
going
to
other
locations.
We
have
a
brand
new
stadium,
a
brand
new
field.
G
I
think
it.
You
know
it's
incumbent
and
that's
up
to
to
those
who
are
running
the
program,
to
work
in
partnership
with
our
high
school
to
to
make
sure
that
our
our
kids,
that
we
cultivate
here
stay
here
and
that
we
don't
lose
our
talent
to
other
communities
and
that's
why
I
think
there
may
be
some
other
comments.
But
I
appreciate
the
time
and
opportunity
to
speak
to
the
commission.
H
H
If
they
go
play
at
trinity
or
east
lake,
they
pay
for
them
to
bring
them
from
here.
They'll,
take
them
away
from
here,
pay
for
everything
for
them,
and
we've
been
struggling
with
that
we've
been
trying
fundraisers
and
everything
else
to
keep
them
here.
Mark
helped
us
out.
Also,
we
need
your
help.
The
city
of
tarpon
springs
to
keep
the
junior
sponges
junior
sponges
and
then
go
longer
to
be
a
sponger
at
the
high
school.
We
need
the
help
of
the
city
of
tarpon
springs
from
the
police
department,
all
the
way
down
to
the
board.
H
I'm
calling
on
the
mayor
we're
putting
flyers
everywhere,
putting
them
at
the
schools
trying
to
get
the
kids
registration
fee.
What
hurts
us
and
the
city
can
help
us
with
scholarships
or
help
some
of
the
kids.
I'm
not
saying
every
one
of
them
needs
help,
but
a
lot
of
them
do
and
it'll
be
a
blessing
if
y'all
do
help
us.
I
I
I
Section
15
to
include
defining
an
artificial
corporation
as
a
person
for
50
years
now,
roe
versus
wade
has
been
used
to
explain
that
which
is
being
birthed
in
the
14th
amendment.
Yet
the
constitution
gives
rise
to
maritime
law
in
article
3,
section
2..
The
constitution
makes
reference
to
a
ship
of
war
in
article
1
section
10..
Now
you
can
birth
a
baby
using
roe,
vs
wade.
Unfortunately,
the
14th
amendment
is
using
maritime
law.
It
births
a
ship.
It's
a
nautical
term
like
docking
a
boat,
the
14th
amendment
births
a
corporate
ship
of
war.
A
E
E
E
I
call
many
many
times
about
cars
blocked
and
I
can
go
by
there
six
and
eight
times
and
they're
still
parked
in
the
same
spot.
Three
weeks
later,
nobody
excuse
me
chief.
I
know
a
car
wreck
has
more
priority
than
an
illegally
parked
car.
Everybody
knows
that
bank
robbery
drug
bust
whatever,
but
when
I
go
by
the
same
place
weeks
and
weeks
at
the
time
and
the
same
car
is
parked
illegally
something's
wrong.
A
E
E
A
Well,
I
guess
not
good
mr
trump.
Do
we
have
any
public
comments
by
zoom
or
telephonic?
H
Okay,
mayor
commissioner
city
manager
and
all
those
concerned
following
my
opinions,
questions
and
observations.
H
What
what
are
the
city
and
contractors
going
to
do
to
resolve
issues
regarding
the
construction
project
on
sea
breeze
drive
in
tarpon
springs?
This
is
where
I
live.
H
It
also
goes
up
and
down
from
the
surfaces
when
I
drive
down
the
road
now
this
is
just
on
the
surface
portion,
but
if
the
material
below
the
surface
is
not
compacted
and
a
highway,
roller
comes
in
at
a
later
date
when
they
go
to
prior
to
paving
the
road,
if
it
compacts,
it
will
come
back
to
a
level
maximum
of
about
18
inches
that
only
stabilizes
the
top
18
inches,
provided
that
the
material
is
a
compactable
material
in
the
first
place
and
knocks
sand
as
an
example.
H
If
the
material
below
the
top
18
inches
is
not
compacted
when
they're
doing
the
work
or
not
compactable
material,
then
the
top
layer
of
18
inches
will
ultimately
cave
into
the
bottom
layer,
causing
future
repairs
of
the
street
after
the
road
is
paid
rather
than
waiting
for
failure
at
some
point
down
the
line
after
the
contractor's
been
paid
and
gone.
Why
not
address
this
as
a
question
up
front
in
the
first
place?
H
A
H
Would
help
sand
in
the
air?
Mailboxes
are
driveways
water's
gone
into
a
1.1
million
dollars.
We
purchased
the
property
catch
basin,
two
of
them
completely
filled
with
dirt.
One
totally
compacted.
D
H
You
can't
even
see
the
grip
pointing
out
the
contractor.
No,
this
is
okay.
A
Cover
everything
I
understand,
thank
you,
I'm
sure
somebody
will
be
contacting
you
probably
tomorrow
to
discuss
this
further.
Thank
you
for
your
comments.
Thank
you.
So
much
you're
welcome.
A
A
We
have
a
proclamation
this
evening,
it's
national,
safe
boating
week
and
I'd
like
to
read
it,
whereas
on
average,
650
people
die
each
year
in
boating-related.
Accidents
in
the
u.s
75
of
these
are
fatalities
caused
by
drowning
and
whereas
the
vast
majority
of
these
accidents
are
caused
by
human
error
or
poor
judgment,
and
not
by
the
boat
equipment
or
environmental
factors,
and
whereas
a
significant
number
of
boaters
who
lose
their
lives
by
drowning
each
year
would
be
alive
today.
A
A
A
A
vibrant
community
boosts
tourism
and
improves
the
services
and
quality
of
life
in
our
city
and
whereas
the
city
of
tarpon
springs
further
commends
karen
lemon's
economic
development
director
for
her
hard
work
and
dedication
in
promoting
economic
development
projects
and
sustaining
economic
development
activities
in
the
city.
Now,
therefore,
I
costa
s
vaticatus
by
virtue
of
the
authority
vested
in
me
as
mayor
of
the
city
of
tarpon
springs.
Florida
do
hereby
proclaim
the
month
of
may
2022
as
economic
development
month.
D
I
would
just
like
to
thank
the
mayor
and
the
vice
mayor
and
the
board
for
all
of
their
support.
I
really
appreciate
it
we're
looking
forward
to,
as
the
mayor
said,
a
very
busy
year,
it's
very
rewarding
working
with
our
local
businesses.
We
have
so
many
creative
and
energetic
and
hardworking
people
who
do
so
much
for
their
own
businesses,
but
many
of
them
also
give
back
to
the
city
and
the
community
in
ways
that
people
don't
see.
D
A
A
D
A
Question
not
anything
you,
okay,
okay,
all
right!
So
let's
go
ahead
and.
N
I
don't
know
if
it
was
a
city
or
the
morgan
group
that
that
sent
him
those,
but
it
was
multiple
duplicates
and
I
had
checked
with
an
attorney
that
used
to
live
here
and
he
said
oh
yeah
after
some
cases
have
been
dismissed.
I
have
personally
received
multiple
packets
from
attorneys,
but
so
this
is
like
a
thing
so
so
I
watched
this
one
very
carefully
500
on
this
invoice,
for
I
don't
I
couldn't
quite
make
it
out
for
mr
coulson's
lawsuit.
N
N
N
So
I've
asked
around,
I
don't
know
that
anybody's
talked
to
you
guys
about
the
possibility
of
a
settlement,
but
you
ought
to
look
into
it
because
it
will
save
the
city.
You
know
between
50
and
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
trying
to
defend
a
development
order
which
was
improperly
approved
by
the
previous
commission.
N
N
So
is
this
just
another
one
of
those
attempts?
I
don't
know-
and
I
haven't
looked
into
all
the
other
cases.
There
are
many
cases
that
I
haven't
looked
into,
but
this
one
I've
been
following
very
closely,
especially
since
I've
been
following
it
closely
and
spoken
about
it.
Many
times
out
here,
I'm
I'm
sort
of
stunned
that
a
motion
compel
would
be
filed
after
a
case
was
dismissed.
A
A
M
A
L
Yes,
what
I
was
going
to
say
is
first,
I
wanted
to
compliment
commissioner
coulius,
because
I
got
to
read
his
questions
and
answers
and,
as
I
said
last
time,
it
prompts
other
commissioners
to
ask
questions.
Hence
that's
where
I'm
going
so
on
number
five.
It
says
you
know,
I
have
a
question.
We
always
seem
to
start
at
an
upper
limit,
but
we
always
seem
to
need
more
at
the
end.
So
I
don't
know
why
we
always
go
out
for
a
bid
and
it
seems
to
change.
L
O
Mr
la
course,
well
I
don't
see
things
as
out
of
control
on
these
things,
they're,
not
major
things.
You
can't
be
a
prognosticator
exactly
what
it
goes.
We've
got
a
process
here.
If
we
need
additional
to
increase,
we
do
the
process.
It's
worked
well
for
all
the
time.
We've
done
it.
So
again,
I
don't
see
an
issue
on
this
particular
one.
O
I
don't
know
if
again,
as
I've
said
on
these
items
before
we
don't
have
staff
here
for
consent
ones
unless
we
know
ahead
of
time
they're
coming,
but
I
think
most
of
the
ones
are
here.
So
I
don't
know
if
there's
something
on
this
particular
item,
but
I
don't
see
an
issue
with
what
you're
saying.
L
Five,
I'm
gonna
stay
with
five.
I
got
you
okay,
I
don't
know
if,
if
that's
the
answer
I'm
going
to
get,
but
I
I've
just
noticed
that
on
a
number
of
bids
that
the
bid
starts
off,
we
give
the
approval
for
the
bid,
and
then
things
change
and
on
this
one
was
one
of
them
that
I
just
had
concerns.
A
A
M
I'm
sure
you've
talked
to
staff
about
this,
but
it
gives
them
a
nice
opportunity
to
either
go
out
to
bid
or
look
for
alternatives
through
different
contracts
that
are
throughout
the
state
and
so
they'll
leverage
the
best
opportunity.
That's
out
there.
So
with
this
one
being
a
renewal,
I
don't
have
any
issues
with
this
one.
D
A
I
paid
particular
attention
to
this
one
because,
as
city
manager,
I
can
tell
you
odor
control
for
the
treatment
plant
was
near
and
dear
to
my
heart,
and
that
was
one
of
the
areas
that
we
had
more
complaints
from
that
than
anything
else
in
the
city.
I
think
city
manager
remembers.
I
know
chief
young
remembers
and
we
tried
everything,
and
so
our
treatment
plan
right
now
is
is
in
as
far
as
I'm
concerned
is
operating
optimally.
A
I've
never
understood
the
wisdom
of
putting
a
treatment
plant
sewer
treatment
plant
in
the
heart
of
our
tourist
district,
but
we
did
it
anyway.
I
guess
land
was
cheap
back
then,
but
I
felt
14
increase
was
reasonable,
given
everything
else
I've
seen
as
far
as
increases
and-
and
I
think,
there's
also
a
cost
and
expense
and
going
out
to
bid
and
and
seeing
what
comes
back
and
I'm
not
sure
that
we
would
have
missed
the
opportunity
on
this,
but
in
any
case
I'm
okay
with
it.
A
I
I
And
in
that
statute
it
mentioned
a
waterless
incinerating
toilet.
Now,
with
that
concept
in
mind,
why
hasn't
the
senate
deployed
a
pilot
program,
whereas
we
have
a
waterless
incinerating
toilet,
this
would
conserve
water
usage
and
it
would
reduce
the
nitrate
load
within
our
you
know,
gray,
water
system,
so
to
speak.
I
D
A
There
any
other
public
comments,
mr
jump,
are
there
any
comments
by
zoom
or
telephonically.
A
Okay,
thank
you,
mr
la
course
we'll
have
somebody
contact,
mr
our
commissioner,
eisner
tomorrow
and
kind
of
go
over.
This
particular
bid
a
little
more
ms
lewis,
I'm
not
sure
who
it
would
be.
Maybe
someone
from
our
treatment
plant
just
as
far
as
the
history
of
this
contract
and
and
why
we
do
what
we
do.
A
If
there
are
no
other
comments,
I'd
like
the
motion
to
approve
number
five
item,
number
five
motion
to
approve.
A
A
L
L
D
Good
evening
bob
robertson
project
administration,
department,
director,
commissioner,
these
things
are
in
the
original
contract.
This
is
just
an
opportunity.
We
saw
to
add
some
additional
ada
ramps
to
make
things
a
little
bit
safer
to
add
some
additional
sidewalks
and
also
to
match
up
a
profile
of
a
roadway
street
that
was
due
to
the
timing
was
supposed
to
be
connected.
They
had
to
connect
to
the
old
road.
D
L
I
understand
what
you're
saying,
but
when
I
look
at
this,
my
and
and
I'm
fairly
new.
So
but
I
do
know,
contracts
and
I
do
know
bidding
and
to
me
it
gives
me
the
optics
that
we
took
a
the
lowest
bid
and
then
after
we
took
the
lowest
bid,
we're
putting
in
all
of
these
extras
and
when
you
add
the
extras
to
about
912
000,
which
it
is,
it
brings
us
in
the
bid
department,
pretty
close
to
the
second
or
third
highest
bid.
L
D
L
L
L
D
I
would
say
that
they
were
included
in
this
contract.
What
I
mentioned
before
is
that
we
saw
an
opportunity
to
add
more
to
make
it
a
safer
project.
L
A
Let's
go
to
public
comment,
any
public
comments.
Anyone
here
present
please
come
forward.
Please,
sir.
A
H
They
say
they're,
adding
all
these
sidewalks
for
safer.
What
about
the
existing
sidewalk
staff
or
no
good
over
in
our
neighborhood
they're
building
sidewalks
on
the
new
project,
but
they
did
some
in
the
neighborhood,
but
they
got
a
whole
lot
of
sidewalks
that
are
just
old
and
need
repairs,
redone
or
whatever
they're
doing
over
there.
They
need
to
do
it
in
the
neighborhood
too.
H
A
Actually,
actually
we
do
it's
a
different
pot
of
money
and
we'll
be
talking
about
sidewalk
repairs
during
the
budget,
which
will
be
a
little
later
this
year.
But
if
I
could
get
your
name
and
address
for
the
record,
if
you
could.
H
A
P
A
M
M
A
L
O
Q
Good
evening,
paul
smith,
public
services,
director,
regarding
this
item,
I
first
want
to
clarify
this
is
not
a
bid.
We're
asking
you
to
award.
This
is
an
authorization
based
on
someone
else's
bid.
So
what
you
have
in
there
are
unit
prices
that
are
achieved
with
like
a
volume
sort
of
discount,
it's
a
large
organization
county
and
so
we're
taking
advantage
of
that
lower
unit
pricing.
So
what
you're,
seeing
increasing
is
our
request
for
authorization
and
what
that
means
is
simply
an
upper
limit
on
the
spending
for
the
period
of
time.
Q
So
we
try
to
make
our
best
estimate
coming
in
the
first
time
with
our
request
for
authorization.
If
we
don't
need
any
more
to
complete
additional
work,
we
won't
come
back
and
ask
for
more,
but
there
are
times
where
we
have
the
opportunity
to
do
more
projects
so
we'll
come
and
ask
for
additional
authorization,
not
changing
the
unit
pricing
or
anything
like
that
is
simply
the
volume
of
work
or
requesting
to
complete
is
increasing.
Q
So
that's
a
description
of
that
item.
It
also
applies
to
that
previous
item.
You
were
discussing
with
the
odor
control
regarding
rental
of
equipment.
These
are
bids
that
are
awarded
by
other
entities.
They
have
all
kinds
of
line
items
in
them.
We
can
select
from
those
line
items
based
on
that
guaranteed
pricing.
Only
as
we
need
to
use.
We
have
a
fleet
of
pumping
equipment.
Q
L
Well,
do
we
have
any
bypass
equipment
when
we're
doing
this
work?
Yes,
we
do
because
that
seemed
to
be,
as
I
was
looking
through
it.
Some
of
the
prices
were
2500
a
day,
3
500
a
day,
and
that
adds
up
so.
L
You
know
it's,
it's
not
my
money,
but
it's
my
taxpayers
money,
it's
the
resident's
money,
so
I
was
just
trying
to
see
how
we
could
possibly
be
a
little
smarter.
I'm
not
saying
that
you're
not
because
we've
spoken
and-
and
I
appreciate
what
you
do
it's
I
just
was
looking
at
how
long
this
thing
lasts.
There
was
one
question
I
had
in
there.
You
know
there
was,
if
the
if
it
starts
to
leak
after
we
do
this
polyurethane.
L
How
do
you
know
who
knows?
Does
somebody
go
in
and
check
these
periodically?
I
mean
you
know
we
could
be
paying
6
500
to
treat
this
sewer
and
I
and
believe
me,
I'm
all
for
it.
I'd
like
that
idea.
But
what
happens?
How
long
does
it
hold,
and
what
do
we
go
back
to
check?
Is
my
questions?
Are
we
getting
our
bang
for
our
buck?
Is
the
question
or
do
should
we
be
just
pulling
it
out
and
and
bearing
the
cost,
which
I
know
is
exorbitant,
so
that's.
Q
The
question:
yes,
we
do
follow
up
with
our
inspections
and
verify
that
everything
is
still
holding
the
water
back
as
it's
supposed
to.
I
have
an
actual
sample
of
the
product
with
me.
I
can
pass
it
on
dining
when
I'm
done
here,
so
you
can
get
a
sense,
but
it's
a
polyurethane
type
thing
when
it
gets
a
good
stick.
It's
pretty
indestructible
can
last
up
to
50
years.
L
Okay,
well,
that
was
pretty
much
my
questions,
because
I
just
see
it's
a
lot
of
money.
I
mean
every
I
happen
to
know
how
much
all
these
polyurethane
tees
are
the
couplers
and
all
of
that
stuff.
I
mean
it's
out
of
my
venue
when
it's
the
10-inch
couplers
and
whatnot,
but
these
things
just
seem
to
be
exorbitantly
priced.
L
M
Mr
smith,
what's
the
cost
if
you
had
to
rebuild
a
manhole,
what
does
that
go
up
to
potentially.
Q
Yeah
that
was
part
of
our
response,
and
it
can
range
from
twenty
thousand
to
fifty
thousand
a
manhole
to
do,
whereas
doing
this
treatment
process
depending
on
the
manhole,
is
somewhere
in
the
four
thousand
dollar
range.
So,
although
it's
expensive,
it's
much
much
less
expensive
and
disruptive
to
do
it,
this
way
than
to
dig
everything
up
and
then
you've
got
all
the
same
bypass
costs
and
all
that,
except
for
probably
a
longer
period,
much
longer
period
of
time.
Thank
you
for
clarifying.
M
R
Yes,
I
have
a
comment
paul
how,
when
they
do
this
realigning,
how
long
is
it
expected
to
last
before
it
fails?
Is
there
an
average.
Q
Q
Q
Q
Q
It's
an
annual
process
and
as
long
as
it
keeps
working
for
us
through
our
video
program,
we'll
go
through
the
entire
system,
find
anything
that
would
benefit
from
this
type
of
treatment
and
come
recommend
it
to
you.
So
it's
an
ongoing
process,
perhaps
an
even
better
product
will
come
along
in
the
future.
L
Okay,
so
this
will
be
always.
Is
there
a
number
of
how
many
of
these
that
we
have
to
treat,
we
have
to
treat
every
single
one
of
them.
I
presume.
Q
G
I
have
an
observation,
not
necessarily
a
comment,
and
I
think
everybody
knows
this
in
tarpon
springs,
our
sewer
system
is
old
and
you
know
the
the
it's
too
expensive
to
replace
an
entire
sewer
system
in
this
community
and
so
finding
ways
using
modern
technology
and
innovative
material
to
improve
the
system.
I
think
it's
a
win-win
for
this
community,
otherwise
you'd
be
digging
up
a
lot
of
dirt
replacing
sewers,
and
so
I
want
to
commend
the
department
for,
for
you
know
the
opportunity
to
do
that
and
say
save
in
the
long
run.
G
I
think
it
saves
the
taxpayers
of
this
community
quite
a
bit
of
money.
Just
another
observation
when
y'all
were
talking
about
changes,
you
know
when,
when
you
build
a
house,
you
have
while
you're
doings,
and
I
call
why
you're
doing
while
you're
building
a
housewife
and
you
go
to
the
contractor
while
you're
doing
that.
G
Let's
do
this
and-
and
I
think
sometimes
what
we
have
to
do-
it
becomes
expensive
when
you
go
through
a
change
order
process
so
sitting
down
and
then,
when,
when
you're
doing
a
a
going
out
for
bid,
try
to
be
more
comprehensive
in
what
you're
actually
looking
for.
So
when
you
do
get
a
bid,
it's
comprehensive
and
not
and
try
to
avoid
the
why
you're
doings,
because,
while
you're
doing
costs
money,
thank
you.
K
Anita
pro's
901
bayshore
drive
our
city.
Sewer
is
very
old.
It
was
done
by
the
elderly,
mr
giuliani
many
many
years
ago,
and
then,
when
they
left
tarpon,
they
went
to
saint
pete
and
he
had
one
of
the
largest
pipe
sewer
system
programs
in
saint
pete
and
they
always
came
back
and
looked
at
tarpons
and
the
pipes.
K
I
can
remember
how
many
were
replaced
and
that's
why
we
have
the
treatment
plant
across
the
street.
I
think
our
mayor
may
have
forgotten
this,
but
we
couldn't
re.
We
couldn't
put
it
anyplace
else,
because
you
couldn't
reverse
all
the
pipes
and
tarpon.
It
would
have
been
so
expensive.
It
would
never
been
paid
for
and
that's
why
the
city
chose
to
get
the
property
from
the
school
board
in
the
football
field,
to
put
our
treatment
plant
because
of
the
cost
of
reversing
which
they
said
would
not
work
in
many
areas.
K
But
this
has
been
since
the
giuliani
time
in
tarpon
springs
and
he
started
laying
all
the
sewer
lines
with
the
clay
lines
for
many
many
years.
So
if
you
go
back
in
the
history,
you'll
know
how
old
they
are.
A
Mr
jump,
are
there
any
zoom
or
telephonic
comments
concerning
this
matter?.
A
Thank
you.
No
other
further
commission
comments
like
a
motion
to
approve
renew
file:
two
one:
zero:
zero,
nine,
zero
sarasota
county
contract,
manhole
structures,
rehabilitation
so
moved.
C
E
A
Thank
you.
No
other
comments
maybe
go
to
have
a
motion
to
prove
in
second
question
approve.
Second
roll
call.
Please.
A
A
L
On
this
one
again,
it's
we're
jumping
from
five
hundred
thousand
to
six
hundred
and
eighty
seven
thousand
dollars
and
in
the
question
that
the
commissioner
coulius
asked
you
know
his
question
was
that
we
we
have
this
187
thousand
dollars.
L
D
Bob
robertson
project
administration,
department,
director,
commissioner,
the
money
is
actually
it
is
being
used
for
the
vault
project
and
that's
the
reason
why
we
exceeded
our
500
or
will
exceed
our
500
000
annual
allotment,
because
the
design
of
that
project
is
a
307
000
project.
Normally
500
000
a
year
is
plenty
for
our
stormwater
engineering
services,
but
in
this
case
we
had
one
big
project
that
ate
all
that
up.
So
that's.
Why
we're
here
asking
for
an
increase.
D
So
I
was
answering
your
question
there
so
now
responding
to
commissioner
julius's
question
and
writing
there.
So
the
question
was:
is
how
much
is
that
authorization
for
a
single
year?
And
then
the
answer
is
yes,
it
is
we're
asking
to
increase
the
annual
authorization
from
500
000
to
680
000,
that's
per
12-month
cycle.
It's
a
contract
year.
We
are
in
year
four
of
this
five-year
cycle
with
burgess
and
nigel
our
stormwater
engineering
contractor.
So
yes,
we're
asking
for
180
000
additional
upper
limit
for
the
fourth
and
the
fifth
year.
D
D
Well,
we
do
our
best
to
estimate
the
need,
what
we're
going
to
need
for
our
consulting
services.
500
000
has
been
plenty
like.
I
said
we
haven't
gotten
to
that
much
in
the
first
three
years,
so
you
know,
we've
made
our
best
use
of
that
money
that
was
allotted
to
us.
It
just
happened
that
we
had
one
big
project
that
ate
all
of
it
up
in
one
year,
so.
L
D
L
Yes,
I'm
happy
to
have
you
come
before
us
and
say
that
sure
underspent
by
187
thousand
dollars
too.
I'm
just.
I
want
to
make
sure
that
when
we
are
putting
these
bids
out
that
they're
accurate
bids,
I
understand
things,
cost
overruns.
I've
been
a
contractor
all
my
life
and
I
understand
that.
But
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
where
my
question
really
is
who's
monitoring
this
and
if
you
say
to
me
that
you're
monitoring
it
it's
a
legitimate
cost.
D
L
C
Just
want
to
say
something
here:
bob
the
the
originally
the
pole.
Vault
project
was
supposed
to
be
scheduled
for
2028
and
we
were
able
to
get
the
grant
money
where
it
got
bumped
up
to
potentially
the
short
next
year.
Correct,
that's
correct!
So
the
the
extra
consulting
needed
for
that
project
was
the
reason
why
being
used
up
those
consulting
fees.
The
additional
increase
was.
A
A
Yes,
we're
past
the
7
30
hour,
but
I'm
going
to
exercise
a
little
latitude
and
finish
up
our
consent
agenda
approval
to
item
10
approval
to
proceed
with
appraisal
for
stamina's
property.
Commissioner
carr.
M
Yeah,
thank
you
mayor.
I'm
happy
to
support
this
one.
I
just
wanted
to
know
from
staff.
If
there's
any
other
properties
we're
evaluating
for
a
dredge
spoil
site,
I
mean
I'm
assuming
that's.
What
this
is
about
is
to
lock
in
a
dredged
spoil
site
and
then,
secondly,
is
there
a
certain
amount
of
acres
that
you're
looking
for?
I
think
this
one's
14.
M
O
Yes,
we
have.
We
did
that
for
this,
for
this
process,
where
we
got
this
land,
it's
it's.
This
is
absolutely
by
far
without
a
doubt,
the
best
site
to
do
now
we'll
have
to
go
into
the
fight
find
the
site.
That
is
not
as
good,
but
this
fits
our
bill
and
that's
why
it's
one
of
the
priorities
of
the
properties
that
that
we
told
you
we're
going
to
be
looking
at
coming
up
for
a
time.
O
This
is
why
this
was
kind
of
the
priority
one,
because
if
the
stamina
didn't
give
this
property
for
this
dredged,
this
dredge,
I
think
we've
had
serious
problems
even
carrying
it
out
because
of
the
unavailable,
any
matching
property
with
the
characteristics
and
the
flow
to
the
river
and
everything
that
this
one
has
this
one's
ideal.
O
Everyone
every
every
place
else
will
be
a
challenge
and
stuff,
and
so
obviously
that's
why
this
is
of
the
importance
and-
and
I
wanna
we're
trying
to
deal
with
this
one
first
as
we
deal
with
the
other
property
and
do
it
because
it's
important
to
the
future
is
there.
M
A
Yeah
we
met
with
the
stamis
family,
we
were
releasing
eight
acres,
that's
probably
what
we
need,
and
one
of
the
reasons
of
the
mai
appraisal
is
to
get
a
per
acre
cost
for
this
property,
and
then
they
they
need
to
figure
out
what
their
future
plans
are.
They've
got
some
plans
themselves
and
they'd
like
to
see
how
much
of
any
remnant
of
that
property
they
would.
A
They
might
need
for
executing
their
plans
so
they're
working
with
us
cooperatively,
and
they
recognize
the
importance
of
this
property,
so
they
wouldn't
be
able
to
kind
of
move
forward
with
their
plans
unless
they've
got
that
cost
per
acreage.
That
would
also
give
them
the
ability
to
look
at
other
locations
as
well
and
perhaps
sell
us
the
entire
14
acres
as
well.
So,
okay.
M
Yeah
yeah,
I
mean
city
manager.
I
would
like
to
to
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
this,
and
I
mean
I
would
like
to
understand
north
ankle
park
too
a
bit
more
and
why
that
can't
be
used.
I
know
it's
preserved
for
the
most
part,
but
maybe
it's
too
far
up
the
river.
I
don't
know,
but
something
I'd
like
to
vet
out
a
little
bit
further
and
see
if
there's
anything
else
also
once
this
comes
back.
D
R
On
this
yeah,
I
have
a
just
a
question
that
wasn't
clear
in
my
mind:
we
certainly
pay
a
certain
amount
of
month
for
lease
charges.
Yes,
on
this
property
that
are
actually
subsidized
by
the
state.
Is
that
correct,
a.
D
R
Got
some
yeah
some
length
to.
R
R
Close
it's!
If
you
look
on
the
the
plaid,
it's
actually
somewhat
adjacent
south
into
the
to
the
west
of
it.
I'm
glad
to
take
this
offline
and
point
it
out.
L
Yes,
I'm
fully
in
agreement
as
well
that
we
need
this
property.
My
only
question
since
I
didn't
have
the
liberty
to
ask
this,
because
I
wasn't
on
the
board:
how
was
this
decision
made
in
the
first
place
to
lease
all
these
years
and
not
buy
it
per
se?
Was
it
I
don't
have
an
idea
when.
O
We
did
it
the
first
time
mr
stamis
made
it
very
clear
that
it
was
not
for
sale
again.
They've
had
plans
for
and
stuff
so
at
that
time
he
made
clear.
It
wasn't
for
sale,
he'd
be
glad
to
lease
it
to
us,
but
he
wouldn't
consider
at
that
time.
In
this
case,
he's
come
around
and
and
again
there
may
be
several
things
going
on
where
he
could
do
what
he
plans
to
do
on
a
portion
of
it
or
that,
but
he
was
not
receptive
when
this
began.
L
O
In
the
meeting-
and
he
said
it's
not
for
sale-
and
he
told
me
face-to-face
that
it
wasn't
for
sale
but
he'd
be
glad
to
lease
it
and
hold
off
on
his
plans
until
the
because
he
recognized
the
importance
of
the
project
to
the
river
and
everything
else.
So
he
agreed
to
withhold
whatever
he
was
planning
on
doing
until
we
got
done,
I'm
not
sure
he
thought
we're
going
to
be
going
all
this
time,
but
he's
very
cooperative.
Even
the
last
meeting
we
had
a
week
or
so
ago,
he's
very
cooperative.
O
L
Why
did
we
lease
it
if
he
wasn't
willing
to
sell
it?
That's
my
question:
why
did
he
lease
it?
Why
are
we
in
a
a
lease
for
five
years
at
an
exorbitant
amount
of
money,
because
we've
used
close
to
a
half
a
million
dollars
or
300
300
000.
L
O
Again,
that's
another
thing,
probably
online.
There's
there's
not
the
characteristics
you
need
to
do
this
and
use
this
as
a
spoiled
site
is
not
something
where
you
can
just
piece.
Take
a
pic
a
piece
of
land
and
do
it
with
you've
got
a
lot
of
factors
and
we
build
out
if
you
give
them
a
call
and
go
into
that
long
process
of
what
the
needs
of
a
site
is
the
location,
the
ability
to
get
it
to
the
river.
L
D
F
D
A
Okay,
I
just
wanted
to
add
there's
a
lot
of
history,
this
particular
site.
This
is
the
site
that
we
used
25
years
ago
when
we
had
the
dredge.
There
was
a
lot
of
effort
that
went
into
selecting
that
site
that
location.
There
are
some
characteristics,
not
just
getting
the
water
there,
but
getting
it
out.
That's
a
hard
requirement
concerning
dep,
so
there's
some
there's
a
challenge
to
find
something
else
that
would
satisfy
these
same
characteristics
on
this
property.
A
B
A
Yes,
we're
going
to
move
from
the
consent,
I
I'm
sorry
consent
agenda
and
go
to
the
ordinances
and
resolutions
per
our
rules
of
procedure.
A
I
just
want
to
politely
ask
the
commission:
let's
do
a
little
better
job
of
getting
these
questions
answered
before
the
meetings.
I
know,
commissioner
kuliad
did
a
good
job.
I
think-
and
I'm
not
sure
why
a
lot
of
these
other
questions
came
up
this
evening
there,
the
staff
is
available.
They've
been
available.
This
backup
has
been
in
our
hands
since
last
week.
I
would
just
like
a
little
more
effort
to
get
our
questions
answered,
so
we
don't
take
up
this
much
time.
A
I'm
not
sure
that
the
public's
interested
in
10-inch
valves
and
things
of
that
nature
as
much
as
understanding
the
policy
that
goes
into
some
of
these
contracts
and
and
and
and
I
think,
that's
provided
in
the
back
up-
we're
going
to
move
on
to
item
15
application,
22-19,
abbess
development,
florida
avenue
meyer,
if
you
could
walk
us
through
the
instructions,
read
the
resolutions,
the
ordinances
by
a
title,
only
the
instructions
and
also
swearing
in
of
witnesses.
Please.
R
S
This
is
the
quasi-judicial
proceeding
with
the
board
of
commissioners
acts
in
a
quasi-judicial,
rather
than
a
legislative
capacity
at
a
quasi-judicial
hearing.
It
is
not
the
board's
function
to
make
law,
but
rather
to
apply
law
that
has
already
been
established
in
a
quasi-judicial
hearing.
The
board
is
required
by
law
to
make
findings
of
fact,
based
upon
the
evidence
presented
at
the
hearing
and
apply
those
findings
of
fact
to
previously
established
criteria
contained
in
the
code
of
ordinances
in
order
to
make
a
legal
decision
regarding
the
application
before
it.
S
The
board
may
only
consider
evidence
at
this
hearing
that
the
law
considers
competence,
substantial
and
relevant
to
the
issues.
If
the
competent,
substantial
and
relevant
evidence
at
the
hearing
demonstrates
that
the
applicant
has
met
the
criteria
established
in
the
code
of
ordinances,
then
the
board
is
required
by
law
to
find
in
favor
of
the
applicant.
By
the
same
token,
if
the
competent,
substantial
and
relevant
evidence
at
the
hearing
demonstrates
that
the
applicant
has
failed
to
meet
the
criteria
established
in
the
code
of
ordinances,
then
the
board
is
required
by
law
to
find
against
the
applicant.
S
Today,
you
will
hear
ordinance
2022-10,
an
ordinance
of
the
city
of
tarpon
springs
florida,
annexing
0.25,
acres,
more
or
less
a
real
property
located
at
1093,
south
florida
avenue
on
the
southeast
corner
of
south
florida
avenue
and
curlew
place
application
22-19,
providing
for
findings
and
providing
an
effective
date.
Legal
advertising
for
this
ordinance
was
published
in
the
tampa
bay
times
by
title
with
a
map
on
both
march
30th
2022
and
april
6
2022.
S
An
ordinance
of
the
city
of
tarpon
springs
florida
amending
the
future
land
use
map
for
0.25
acres,
more
or
less
a
real
property
located
at
1093
south
florida
avenue
on
the
southeast
corner
of
south
florida
avenue
and
curlew
place
from
pinellas
county
land
use,
designation,
rs,
residential,
suburban
to
the
city
of
tarpon
springs,
land
use,
designation,
rs,
residential,
suburban
application,
22-19
providing
for
findings
and
providing
an
effective
date.
Legal
advertising
was
published
in
the
tampa
bay
times
by
title
with
a
map
on
both
march
30th
2022
and
april
6
2022..
S
A
Thank
you,
mr
president,
city
manager,
chorus.
If
I
may
go
to
mrs
vinson,
yes,
miss.
D
M
I
I
did
speak
to
the
app
clan.
I
didn't
want
to
disclose
that
that
I'd
have
a
quasi
or
I.
A
No
thank
you.
Okay,
we're
set.
Is
there
anyone
here
that
believes
our
affected
party
to
this
matter?
We
had
one
the
last
on
the
first
reading.
Is
there
anyone
here
that
believes,
they're
an
affected
party.
A
Okay,
I
hear
none
now
we're
going
to
go
to
ex
parte
communications.
Is
there
any
commissioner
here
that
wishes
the
divorce
ex-parte
communications
right?
Mr
clark,.
M
Yeah
I
spoke
to
the
applicant
or
the
owner
of
the
property,
just
in
general
terms
about
what
he's
doing
with
the
property.
I
did
meet
him
out
there
before
the
last
meeting
as
well
too.
A
A
I
was
going
to
ask
about
conflicts
of
interest.
There
were
none
last
time
on
the
commission,
I'm
assuming
there
aren't
on
this
time,
and
I
also
want
to
make
sure
that
none
of
the
commissioners
are
predisposed
the
outcome
of
this
matter
where
their
decision
would
not
be
based
solely
on
the
competent
substantial
evidence
that
will
be
presented
here
this
evening.
F
Thank
you.
This
is
application
22-19.
This
is
second
reading
of
an
annexation,
land
use
map
amendment
and
a
rezoning
map
amendment
for
property
at
the
southeast,
corner
of
west
carolina
place
and
actually
florida,
and
I
can't
ever
be
that
street
right
there
there's
no.
For
the
purposes
of
tonight,
I
would
focus
on
new
information,
so
the
annexation
and
land
use
there's
no
new
information
to
present
from
first
reading
at
first
reading.
F
If
you
recall,
the
board
did
recommend
approval
of
the
annexation
of
the
property
from
pinellas
county
into
the
city
of
tarpon
springs
and
amending
the
land
use
map
from
the
pinellas
county,
designation
of
residential
server,
suburban
to
the
city,
designation
of
residential,
suburban,
so
virtually
identical,
and
then
the
board
did
on
first
reading,
recommended
approval
of
the
rezoning
to
r100
and
then
asked
for
some
additional
information.
F
Coming
back,
one
of
the
things
that
was
discussed-
and
I
gave
you
an
updated
memo
as
part
of
the
agenda
backup-
was
the
possibility
of
leaving
the
property
in
the
r3
designation
in
pinellas
county.
Our
code
does
allow
for
that.
During
the
discussion
at
the
last
hearing,
we
indicated
that
we
thought
it
would
be
a
relatively
simple
matter.
You
know
to
assign
you
know
to
just
refer
to
the
zoning.
Does
the
zoning
criteria
of
the
zoning
dimensional
regulations
for
that
property?
F
And
you
know,
if
you
recall
the
purpose
behind
leaving
it
as
r3,
since
it
was
being
developed
in
pinellas,
county
and
then
being
annexed
in
is
that
would
avoid
any
non-conforming
situations
after
reviewing
the
code
again
and
speaking
with
attorney
trask
that
property,
if
we
take,
if
you
take
that
approach,
would
not
only
would
it
be
subject
to
the
zoning
dimensional
regulations,
but
it
would
be
subject
to
the
entirety
of
the
pinellas
county
land
development
code,
so
that
becomes
a
little
more
problematic
as
a
long-term
solution.
F
So
the
staff
recommendation
based
on
that
at
this
point,
then,
is
to
go
ahead
and
approve
the
property,
the
zoning
designation
as
well
to
r100
and
then,
if
the
property
owner
is
amenable,
we
can
work
on
a
very
specific
plan:
development
designation,
specific
to
that
property.
That
would
remove
the
non-conformities
in
the
future.
You
know
at
a
minimum,
that's
a
three
or
four
month.
You
know
procedure,
so
I
don't
want
to
hold
up
the
applicant
any
longer.
F
So
with
that,
I
don't
have
any
other
new
additional
information
to
enter
into
the
record
and
I
would
recommend
approval
of
the
annexation,
the
land
use
and
the
r100
zoning
designation.
Thank.
R
A
F
It's
it's
a
process
so
even
to
to
do
that,
it's
it's!
Basically,
you
are
changing
the
zoning
again,
you
know.
So
if
to
do
that
is
a
in
a
planned
development
process.
You
have
to
do
a
preliminary
plan.
Development
two
readings
of
an
ordinance
has
to
go
to
planning
and
zoning
board
and
then
you
have
to
do
a
final
plan
development.
So
that's
a
resolution
so
yes
to
go
through
the
steps
and
do
the
advertising
and
everything
yes
you're,
looking
at
three
to
four
months
to
be
able
to
do
that
realistically,.
F
K
A
A
A
G
G
Otherwise
I
would
have
voted
to
approve
this
and
just
from
our
board
perspective,
the
frustration
that
we
have
is
we
start
to
see
a
lot
more
applicants
coming
in
for
annexation
and
and
where
they
can
and-
and
I
think
mr
abbott's
got
caught
in
the
crosshairs
okay,
because
it
was
our
board's
frustration
and
not
necessarily
mr
abbott's
project
that
that
gave
us
angst
and-
and
the
reason
being
is-
and
you
see
the
sport
from
a
developer
and
most
likely
you
know,
people
who
are
aware
of
of
how
the
process
works
where
they
are
part
of
the
county.
G
There
are
certain
requirements
that
we
would
require
our
building
department
or
our
board
of
adjustment
to
address,
but
they're
not
addressed
because
he's
already
gotten
the
permit
to
build
and
from
the
county,
and
so
we're
we're
finding
that
we're
accepting
things
that
normally
would
have
to
come
to
a
different
process
that
the
city
and
city
staff
would
have
more
opportunity
to
vet
deny
make
changes
in
the
process
of
the
of
the
developer
or
the
builder,
and
unfortunately,
mr
abbott
got
caught
in
the
crosshairs,
but
that's
not
something
that
that's
something
that
has
to
be
addressed
at
a
commission
level
and
and
maybe
in
conjunction
with
the
county
that
that
we
don't
see
a
prolifera
of
of
people
starting
to
build,
get
their
permits
or
start
the
process
at
the
county
level
that
are
non-conforming
to
the
city.
G
A
Thank
you.
Are
there
any
other
public
comments,
mr
jump,
are
there
any
public
comments
on
zoom
or
telephonically
concerning
this
matter.
A
F
A
Okay,
all
right
so
we're
going
to
close
the
public
hearing
now
and
what
we're
going
to
do
is
quickly
take
each
of
these
individually,
we'll
start
with
the
ordinance
2020,
I'm
sorry
2022-10
annexation.
A
Ms
meyer,
I
don't
believe
we
need
to
read
that
again.
Is
that
correct?
Are
there
any
commission
comments
concerning
this
item.
C
B
B
A
Yes,
ordinance
2022-08.
A
D
B
C
A
Yes,
ordinance
2022-09
amending
the
zoning
atlas.
Do
any
commissioners
have
it
anything
they
want
to
say
about
this?
A
Okay,
I
I
have
one
comment.
The
only
thing
that
it's
along
with
mr
mr
couscous's
comment.
I
know
that
when
this
first
came
up
the
city
manager-
and
I
had
a
discussion
that
these
things
always
create
an
issue
and
we
need
a
policy
on
this
thing,
and
I
know
there
were
a
couple
of
policies
that,
in
our
workshop,
that
came
up
that
were
going
to
be
land
use,
related
and
also
some
short-term,
comprehensive
plan
amendments.
A
Then,
if
you
could
add
that
to
that
list
and
and
if
you
could
give
us
a
status
within
a
week
of
where
we
are
on
all
of
those
and
kind
of
give
us
a
timeline
for
creating
a
policy
on
this
item,
I
I
we
could
have
a
more
and
I
encourage
any
commissioner.
That's
got
some
insight
to
this
or
comments
to.
Please
share
those
with
the
through
the
city
manager
with
ms
vincent
concerning
this,
so
that
we
avoid
these
sort
of
things.
This
has
been
problematic
for
a
very
long
time.
I
know
so.
A
Okay,
that's
the
only
question
I
had.
There
were
a
comment
that
I
had
concerning
the
item
c.
So
if
I'd
like
to
get
a
a
motion
to
approve
2022-09,
I'm
mending
atlas
so
moved.
Second,
okay,
roll
call,
please.
B
A
Yes,
I
should
have
announced
at
the
beginning
of
this
meeting
that
we
had
two
items
that
were
deferred.
One
was
resolution,
2022-15
application,
2237
conditional
use
for
the
hotel,
that's
been
deferred
to
june
14th,
regular
session
of
june
14th,
and
also
item
17
ordinance,
2022-14
application,
22-16
palm
harbor
19
investments
vacation
of
right-of-way.
A
F
They
have
been
over
the
last
year
working
on
developing
a
complete
streets
concept
plan
that
was
funded
through
a
100
000
grant
by
ford
pinellas,
and
so
we're
wrapping
up
that
effort,
and
he
is
here
to
give
you
the
report
on
the
a
presentation
on
the
final
report
and
hopefully
answer
any
questions
that
you
might
have.
P
Thanks
renee
good
evening,
mayor
members
of
the
commission,
thanks
thanks
for
having
me
again
jared
schneider
with
kimberly
horner
associates,
I'm
the
transportation
lead
on
this
project
for
for
our
team,
see.
If
I
can
get
this
right
there
we
go
so
tonight
for
the
report.
What
I
want
to
do
is
really
just
give
you
again
kind
of
a
recap
of
the
study.
Purpose.
P
So
just
again
a
reminder:
this
is
a
grant
from
ford
pinellas,
the
npo
that
the
city
won
just
a
little
over
a
year
ago.
It
was
a
hundred
thousand
dollar
grant
to
look
at
complete
street
concepts
along
the
the
two
mile
portion
from
klosterman
to
live
oak.
P
Also,
a
big
piece
of
this
again
was
to
look
at
the
traffic
analysis.
If
a
roadway
connection
between
the
gap
was
to
be
made
and
what
that
impact
would
be
on
local
streets
as
well
as
us,
19
and
all
19
as
well,
so
again
what
it
is.
This
is
really
a
plan.
Ford
pinellas
has
multiple
grants.
They
have
a
planning
grant
as
well
as
a
construction
grant.
So
this
was
on
the
plan
and
grant
side.
P
P
Really,
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
focus
on
short-term
but
then
also
long-term
improvements.
So
what
are
some
of
the
things
the
city
could
do
immediately,
but
then
also
looking
at
the
opportunity
collectively
over
over
time.
So
again
I'll
say
that
this
wasn't
an
engineering
study.
It
wasn't
a
final
design
plan.
It
was
really
concepts.
P
This
is
a
map
again
talking
about
the
two-mile
section,
so
starting
from
the
south,
with
klostermann
all
the
way
to
live
oak
about
a
two-mile
section,
there's
a
as
we
all
know,
there's
a
about
of
a
quarter
mile
gap
in
between
so
really
we've
got.
We
split
it
into
multiple
segments.
There
is
a
pointer.
P
There
we
go
that
helps
so
yeah
starting
up
here
on
the
south.
All
the
way
to
the
north
we've
got
a
two
mile
section,
and
then
this
is
obviously
we'll
get
into
kind
of
that
discussion
in
the
gap
on
sections,
a
and
b,
which
are
the
south
and
then
just
north
of
the
gap
as
well
as
up
here.
We're
really
focused
on
safety
and
traffic.
Calming
improvements,
that's
something
that
we
heard
quite
a
bit
throughout
the
process.
P
With
the
gap
we
were
reviewing
again.
What
are
what
are
some
of
the
potential
opportunities
that
could
be
looked
at
in
that
area,
all
right,
so
what
we
heard
and
again
I
appreciate
everybody.
I
see
a
lot
of
familiar
faces
out
here
as
well.
As
I
know,
a
lot
of
members
of
the
commission
came
out
as
well,
so
this
was
really.
I
felt
a
robust
outreach.
We
started
in
in
november,
as
renee
said
this
process
been
going
on
for
a
year,
but
we
start
out
in
november
on
a
cold
cold
morning.
P
P
P
Obviously,
the
concerns
with
traffic.
If
you
were
to
make
a
connection,
we
heard
a
lot
about
crossings
and
I've
seen
stabs
out
there.
We
talked
a
lot
about
that
right,
mount
moriah,
that
area
the
sidewalk
gaps
as
well
as
bennett
and
your
group
down
in
that
segment
a
we
talked
about
sidewalks
and
crossings.
So
I
think,
if,
if
anything
with
this
process,
which
I
think
was
really
enlightening,
was
the
consensus
that
was
built
around
safety
traffic
calming
that
was
really
positive.
P
We
heard
a
lot
about
adding
more
lighting,
you
know
and
then
obviously
different
views
on
the
street
connection.
I
think
we
can
all
agree
that
there
was
there's
not
a
lot
of
agreement.
There's
there's
some
that
that
are
forestry
connection,
others
that
are
not
and
then
we'll
get
into
a
little
bit
more
where
there
was
conversations
about
what
should
happen
in
that
area,
it's
a
public
use.
So
what?
What
does
that
mean?
P
And
that
kind
of
that's
the
last
point:
improving
the
maintenance
landscaping
debris.
A
lot
of
people
talked
about
just
the
look
and
the
feel
particularly
around
that
duke
easement,
so
again,
really
really
thankful
for
for
everybody
in
the
community
that
came
out
and
spending
your
time
and
then
doing
that
survey
as
well.
P
So
this
slide
really
just
focuses
on
the
the
survey
itself.
We
had
133
responses
and
just
to
kind
of
highlight
some
of
the
main
points.
This
will
again
kind
of
no
news
or
nothing
new
here,
but
64
of
the
respondents
talked
about
sidewalks.
We
heard
a
little
bit
about
that
tonight,
so
very
important
people
felt
like
that
should
be
an
improvement
as
well
as
the
crossings.
P
66
percent
talked
about
slowing
speeds,
and
that
was
for
the
entire
section
south
of
the
gap
north
of
the
gap.
People
talked
about
that
and
then
for
the
the
gap
section
itself.
We
just
highlighted
one
item.
68
of
people
said
just
for
the
survey
they
were.
They
really
felt
that
they
didn't
like
the
no
build
scenario
we
gave
them
several
scenarios
and
no
build
and
I'll
get
into
this.
Some
more.
P
Now
that
could
change
for
the
the
public
meetings,
the
workshops
there
was
a
little
bit
of
different
tilt
right,
the
folks
that
live
along
the
corridor,
not
as
favorable
mo,
I
will
say
also
the
133
that
took
the
survey
60
to
70
percent-
were
a
couple
blocks
off
of
the
corridor
itself
so
more,
they
were
in
the
city,
but
it
was
more
of
a
city-wide
kind
of
tilt,
but
still
30
40
were
along
the
corridor
or
close
to
it.
P
So
to
highlight
real
quickly
from
a
higher
level.
The
traffic
analysis.
We
did
a
robust
transportation
modeling
this.
It's
not
a
crystal
ball.
We
we
run
this
model
and
it's
just
one
tool
in
the
toolbox
and
it
kind
of
shows
if
we
make
this
connection,
what
happens-
and
that
was
an
important
part
of
I
know
mayor.
We
talked
about
this
from
the
beginning
and
and
really
what
came?
What
we
found
is
it's
not
going
to
fix,
19
all
19.,
we
all.
P
We
all
know
it's
not
going
to
fix
the
congestion,
but
what
it
does
do
is
it.
It
decreases
some
of
the
volumes
along
all
19
and
it
does
keep
the
growth
of
the
volume
on
us19
slower
than
what
it
has
been
in
the
past.
So
it's
a
little
bit
more
steady
growth,
the
added
trips
on
distant
avenue
in
some
sections,
particularly
the
section
from
klosterman
to
mirs.
P
P
That
being
said,
if
you
were
to
think
about
the
street
connection,
the
future
there's
a
crash
on
19
or
all
19,
we
call
that
non-recurring
congestion,
I
would
could
see
there
would
be
some
cut
through
traffic
there.
So
again,
if
you
take
anything
else,
this
is
creating
mobility
connectivity
more
for
the
city-wide
residents.
P
Obviously
that
has
other
impacts
for
people
that
live
on
distance
itself.
Okay,
so
now
I'm
going
to
transition,
get
into
kind
of
the
from
a
higher
level
to
improvements.
So
I'm
talking
about
segments
a
b
and
c
again,
these
that's
the
entire
section,
excluding
the
gap
so
starting
from
klosterman
up
to
the
north
again
repeating
here
a
little
bit,
but
we
talked
about
safety
getting
those
sidewalks
down.
So
that
was
something
that
we
identified
as
a
near-term,
immediate
improvement
crossings
and
intersections.
P
We
talked
about
the
cops
for
kids
right,
the
stab
so
that
came
up
and
then
I
am
happy
to
say
the
city's
been
doing
some
things
already.
You
know
it
takes
time
to
get
things
done,
but
this
is
an
example
that
when
we
started
this
process-
and
I
think
if
anything-
if
we
can
say
anything
from
a
consensus-
safety
came
up
and
the
city
responded
now
there's
more
work
to
do
right,
but
this
is.
This
is
a
positive,
so
here's
just
kind
of
a.
I
want
to
show
you
this.
This
is
really
just
illustrative.
P
So
this
is
the
section
that's
north
of
klosterman
facing
south.
We
get
the
rolling
hills
and
it
feels
nice
to
drive
fast,
sometimes
right,
on
these
kind
of
streets.
So
what
our
recommendations
were
is
really
to
try
to
tame
and
slow
this
down.
You
could
look
at
speed,
humps
and
sometimes
with
emergency
vehicles.
You
need
to
look
at
speed
cushions
which
allow
areas
for
the
emergency
vehicles
to
get
through,
and
this
is
again
really
just
one
tool
in
the
toolbox.
The
other
thing
that
doesn't
get
talked
enough
about
is
is
low-lying
landscaping.
P
P
So
this
is
an
example
where
you
could
do
a
traffic
circle
with
that
trail
and
then
it's
a
little
harder
to
see,
but
sometimes
as
simple
as
as
painting
lines,
that's
something
we're
doing
all
over
where
you
can
just
start
to
paint
the
street
and
try
to
create
that
edge,
but
again
we're
trying
with
friction
on
the
edges
to
kind
of
slow
people
down.
You
know
it's
like
that
tunnel
effect
when
you're
driving
down
a
street,
that's
tighter,
you
just
feel
like.
Oh
I
got
I
got
to
slow
down
here.
P
I
don't
have
as
much
wide
open
space
and
that's
stuff
that
you
can
do
pretty
quickly.
This
is
the
north
side,
just
just
north
of
the
gap,
so
mount
moriah
area
on
the
left,
and
so
this
is
what
it
used
to
look
like,
and
I
know
some
of
the
sidewalks
further
south
are
coming
in
now.
So
that's
fantastic!
We
had
a
recommendation
to
put
sidewalks
in,
and
the
city
has
been
talking
about
that
and
city
staff's
been
looking
at
that
it's
been
done.
P
This
is
kind
of
heading
north
on
the
corridor,
so
think
tampa
or
I'm
sorry,
tarpon
elementary
school
and
you're
facing
east,
and
so
this
is
just
one
application.
We
felt
where
you
could
do
a
raised
intersection
again,
just
illustrative.
P
You
got
to
be
careful
on
race
intersections
because
of
the
drainage,
sometimes
but
just
another
tool
in
the
toolbox
to
slow
speeds
down
and
it's
safe
for
kids
to
cross
the
street.
Another
application,
sometimes
we've
applied,
is
where
you
do
raised
crossings
and
we
also
just
tried
to
put
a
you
know.
A
place.
Making
element
you'll
be
surprised
what
place
making
will
do
or
you
have
different
color,
and
so
you
see
kind
of
the
the
intersections
a
little
different
color
and
people
feel
like
okay,
I
gotta
slow
down,
there's
something
different.
P
So
now
I'm
gonna
kind
of
focus
transition
on
the
gap.
What
we
talked
about,
because
I
know
that
was
you
know
a
lot
of
the
conversation.
But
again,
I
feel,
like
everything,
we've
talked
about,
there's
wide
consensus
on
on
all
those
issues:
gap,
not
so
much
right,
so
the
opportunities
we
heard
is
is
keep
it.
As
is
don't
do
anything
address
flooding
issues?
P
I
know
the
neighborhoods
talked
a
lot
about
that
some
mention
very
favorable
on
the
survey
filling
the
roadway
gap,
doing
something
at
a
trail
and
that
wasn't,
as
favorable,
add
lighting
debris
and
maintain
landscaping.
I
think
a
lot
of
people
had
consensus
on
that
issue
and
it's
one
of
the
largest
public
space,
not
public,
but
it's
one
of
the
largest
city-owned
parcels
in
in
the
city.
So
what
what
could
be
done
in
the
future?
P
P
We
don't
have
enough
information
at
this
point
from
an
engineering
perspective
to
say
whether
what's
feasible
and
what's
not
feasible,
but
these
were
the
overarching
ideas
and
concepts
that
we
developed
so
for
the
the
next
steps.
Again,
I
think
really
it's
been
a
good
community
process.
I
think
continuing
to
implement
those
near-term
immediate
improvements
like
the
sidewalks,
the
safety
improvements,
the
feds
have
just
come
out
with
a
safe
streets
for
all
grant
applications,
so
I
think,
continuing
to
work
with
ford
pinellas
and
your
partners.
P
That's
that's
a
billion
dollar
grant
process
which,
while
competitive,
that's
a
lot
of
funding
for
just
safety
specific
projects.
That's
out
there
now
so
continuing
to
do
what
you're
doing
and
I
think
for
that
area
the
gap
continue.
You
know
we
again,
we
don't
know
enough,
but
if
it
was,
if
it
was
to
look
at
it
to
more
evaluate
the
feasibility
from,
is
it
from
an
engineering
environmental
study
standpoint?
Is
it
storm
water?
Is
it
recreational
or
what
does
that
gap
look
like
or
what
could
that
be
used
in
the
future?
P
So
I
know
it
went
pretty
quickly,
but
that's
that's
really
kind
of
where
we're
at
and
again
I
really
appreciate
the
city
staff
working
with
them
and
the
community
itself.
I
think
it's
been
a.
It's
been
a
really
good
process
and
yeah
looking
forward
to
taking
any
questions
you
might
have
thanks.
A
Before
we
go
to
public
comments,
I
know
we
started
on
this
about
a
year
ago.
Is
that
correct,
that's
correct,
and
I
I
want
to
commend
you
of
surviving
that
process.
I.
A
Cast
on
your
leg
or
arm,
so
congratulations
on
that
you
did
an
excellent
job
and
generated
quite
a
bit
of
very
useful
information.
Some
insights,
I
think
we've
had
some
very
good,
balanced
conversations
pros
and
cons
of
just
about
everything.
So
I
very
much
appreciated
that
with
you
working
with
us,
the
commission,
as
well
as
the
residents
and
I'm
sure
the
staff
as
well.
Let's
go
to
public
comments
concerning
this
matter.
E
Thank
you
mayor.
My
name
is
bennett
krauss,
I'm
the
president
of
the
woods
of
anderson
park,
homeowners
association-
I'm
also
here
tonight
representing
this,
the
condominium
association
as
well,
where
a
community
of
roughly
300
homes,
the
distant
road,
the
beginning
of
the
gap,
is
our
back
gate.
That's
how
we
get
in
and
out
so
to
the
mayor,
the
vice
mayor
and
the
commissioner.
Thank
you
so
much
for
letting
us
speak
tonight
and
have
this
hearing
and
jared
and
to
your
team.
You
listened
quite
obviously,
you
listened
on
what
our
concerns
were.
E
So
we
can't
thank
you
enough
for
that
safety.
Safety
safety
was
the
theme
of
this
entire
66-page
document,
so
the
woods
of
anderson
park
community
would
encourage
you
to
take
this
data,
make
an
informed
decision,
but
we
feel
the
woods
of
madison
park
feel
that
it's
time
to
put
this
issue
to
bed
it's
time
to
table
this
thing,
spend
that
bucket
of
money.
You
got
on
the
flooding
that
I
see
all
throughout
the
city
of
tarpon
springs,
and
to
keep
in
mind
that
there
are
many
projects
that
we
can
support.
E
We
can
work
with,
but
for
tonight
on
the
record,
we
have
to
be
against
anything
going
through
the
gap.
We
are
encouraged
by
the
results
of
this.
This
document
that
safety,
sidewalks
lighting,
there's
no
sidewalks
on
the
west
side.
People
cannot
cross.
We
had
one
of
our
residents
in
a
wheelchair.
That
day
could
literally
not
get
out
of
the
street
the
pitch
on
the
sidewalks.
E
She
got
stuck.
I
think
four
times
trying
to
cross
a
street
to
get
out
of
the
street
so
to
hear
that
the
traffic
count,
if
goes
through,
is
going
to
increase
dramatically
during
those
accidents
on
19.
Vice
versa
is
a
huge
problem
for
us.
So
again,
our
wish
is
that
we
leave
this
alone
spending
money
on
things
and
more
important
like
flooding
and
take
care
of
the
safety
issues.
That's
been
identified
in
this
document,
and
I
thank
you
so
much
for
your
time.
Thank.
K
J
Evening
my
name
is
katie
taylor,
I'm
a
1382,
starlight
cove
in
tarpon
springs.
My
concern
is
about
distance
avenue.
I
did
walk
that
with
the
group
and
my
concern
is
lime
street
nothing.
I
know
y'all
focusing
on
mirrors
and
mount
moriah
area.
My
focus
is
on
lyme
street
and
distance
avenue
when
you're
going
north
on
us
19.
You
make
a
right
on
to
lime
street
when
you
get
to
distance
avenue
when
you
come
over
the
hill
and
you
get
to
that,
stop
sign
that
distance.
J
The
stop
signs
sit
at
least
six
or
seven
feet
back
away
from
the
corner.
I've
walked
it.
I've
parked
it.
I've
drove
it.
I've
sit
there
that
at
that
stop
sign.
Look
to
my
left
and
the
only
thing
I
can
see
is
in
somebody's
porch.
So
you
can't
see
the
street
at
all.
If
you
look
to
your
left,
which
is
looking
east
on
to
distance
avenue
at
that
corner,
going
if
you're
going
east
and
you
look
north-
it's
not
it's
north
here.
No!
Is
it
north?
J
J
That
street
need
to
be
have
a
have
that
stop
sign,
move
to
the
corner
or
you
need
to
have
a
flashing
light
or
you
need
to
have
a
four-way
stop
sign,
because
if
you're
coming
off,
martin
luther
king
and
you're
going
north
on
distance
and
you
get
to
that
leveson
lime,
street
and
distance,
that's
where
the
people
have
been
hit
broadsided
because
they
pull
out
in
front
of
that.
It's
like
russian
roulette
every
time
when
you
come
over
that
hill
and
you
get
to
that
corner.
J
People
have
had
accidents
there
and
had
bodily
injury
that
street
need
to
be
fixed
and
also
the
sidewalks
in
that
particular
area
between
lyme
and
martin
luther
king
need
to
be
addressed.
There's
people,
that's
handicapped,
can't
walk
that
street.
They
can't
use
their
wheelchairs.
Like
some
people
said,
please
address
lyme
street
and
distance
avenue,
there's
a
problem
there
with
people
being
injured
in
accident.
J
Maggie
miles,
433
east
boya
street
tarpon
springs.
I
also
own
the
property
at
518
south
distant,
which
is
on
the
corner
of
mlk
and
distant
avenue.
The
gap
is
something
that
is
20
plus
years
overdue.
J
J
I
mean
I'm
sorry.
If
it's
an
accident
on
u.s
19,
they
try
to
divert
everybody
to
alternate
19,
which
is
only
two
lanes
and
not
able
to
accommodate
the
traffic
that
we
have
from
pasco
coming
north
and
south.
It
is
a
bear.
When
that
happens,
we
would
have
another
north-south
corridor
in
case
of
an
emergency.
J
That's
when
this
should
have
been
taken
care
of
so
I'm
talking
20
plus
years
ago.
It
didn't
happen.
It
is
well
overdue.
We
need
another
north
south
corridor.
It
will
save
us
a
whole
lot
of
time.
You
come
in
all
the
way
from
clearwater
you
get
to
klosterman.
You
got
to
go
north
or
south
when
you
could
just
go
straight
down
distant
and
be
right
into
your
neighborhood
in
a
matter
of
minutes,
but
you
got
to
go
and
fight
all
the
traffic
on
u.s
19
just
to
get
to
tarpon.
I
D
D
E
I
Hi,
thank
you,
sir
david
ballard,
gettys
jr,
georgia
avenue
palm
harbor
in
regards
to
the
traffic
calming
devices
speed
waves,
roundabouts
and
such
to
my
understanding.
39
out
of
40
people
already
drive
calmly,
so
in
a
sense
putting
in
those
devices
would
be
to
spend
taxpayers
money
to
encompass
one
out
of
every
40
people
who
don't
seem
to
want
to
abide
by
general
driving
practices.
I
It
impairs
paramedics
from
conducting
first
aid
on
patients
in
ambulances
and
impedes
fire
trucks,
for
example
on
alternate
19.
They
wanted
to
put
a
roundabout
down
in
front
of
bill
super
gas
and
palm
harbor
there.
The
fire,
commissioner,
posed
it
based
on
its
location
next
to
a
gas
pump
and
as
well
as
impeding
traffic
on
alternate
u.s
highway
19.
I
I
Some
also
think
that
these
roundabouts
in
future
will
be
used
as
a
toll
by
plate
system
of
travel,
where
you
will
be
taxed
accordingly
through
these
roundabouts
and
levied
against
your
car
registration
annually
to
pay
for
a
roundabout
surcharge.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you,
mr
goodness,
on
public
comments,
just
you'll
only
have
one
opportunity
to
state
your
comments.
Thank
you.
G
G
If,
if
you
look
sometimes
on
the
traffic
going
from
south
going
north
on
alternate
19,
it's
backed
up
sometimes
from
klosterman
all
the
way
to
mirrors.
You
know
the
there's.
There
should
be
another
north-south
corridor
coming
through.
It
needs
to
take
some
of
that
stress
off
of
alternate
19,
because
you
know
it's
like
somebody
said
if
there's
an
ambulance
or
whatever
trying
to
come
down,
it's
bumper
to
bumper,
it's
almost
at
a
standstill
in
certain
times
of
the
day
and
and
coming
in
locally
into
tarpon
springs.
G
K
K
K
Q
Max
burka,
I
live
at
1690
citrine
trail,
but
I
represent
a
lot
of
people
in
the
segment.
P
And
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
yeah,
this
connection
is,
you
know,
going
to
benefit
a.
D
No
one's
more
important
than
anybody
else
we're
all
tarpanites.
I
think
that
sorry,
forgive
me
this.
E
E
H
Tell
me
what
y'all
do
19
used
to
be
a
two-lane
road?
It
ain't
no
more,
why
you
wiring
that
you
widen
it,
because
cars
picked
up
traffic,
you
got
a
corridor!
That's
been
like
that.
The
ladies
say
for
over
50
years,
since
the
50s
and
y'all
still
can't
figure
that
out,
because
y'all
don't
sit
in
that
traffic
trying
to
get
home
at
two
o'clock
in
the
afternoon
and
just
to
get
from
closetman
road
to
the
sponge
doctor
it'll.
Take
you
three
hours.
H
H
H
A
H
Well,
it
makes
no
sense
if
you
open
that
road
up
to
get
to
19.
Tell
me:
what's
the
problem,
opening
up
a
road
to
get
two
blocks.
Save
me
an
hour
from
driving.
Just
like
the
guy
said
you
got
to
get
to
clausman
road
to
make
a
left
or
right
turn
and
go
into
two
jammed
up
roads.
Neither
one
of
them
gonna,
get
you
nowhere.
You're
gonna
turn
on
19
in
this
traffic
and
you're,
going
to
turn
on
out
in
the
19
you're
going
to
get
the
same
traffic.
It's
not
worse.
A
Mr
jump,
are
there
any
zoom
comments
or
telephonic
comments
to
be
made
on
this
matter?.
B
Yes,
greetings
mayor
and
board
of
commissioners
regarding
the
distant
avenue,
complete
streets
concept
plan
and,
specifically
the
options
for
the
gap
segment.
I
believe
that
a
roadway
connection
with
the
affirmation
affirmation
segments
a
b
and
c
providing
for
a
continuous
path
of
travel
for
vehicles,
bicyclists
and
pedestrians,
including
all
of
the
complete
streets
concepts
as
reveled
in
phase
one,
would
best
serve
the
citizens
of
tarpon
springs
and
would
provide
another
north-south
option
for
public
mobility.
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
comment.
Robert
recklin
755
north
lake
boulevard.
A
Thank
you,
miss
jacobs.
Let's
go
to
commission
comments
at
this
time
who
would
like
to
start?
Let's
just
go
down
the
line
vice
mayor
lund,.
R
Yeah,
I
I
gotta
say
when
I
went
through
the
detailed
plan.
I
was
a
little
bit
disappointed
in
the
fact
that
we,
you
obviously
heard
the
residents
and
and
whoever
walked
the
place
on
sidewalk
repair
and
crosswalks
and
better
lightning
lighting,
etc,
etc.
R
Unfortunately,
I
was
I
was
looking
at
the
plan
and
it's
like
you
got
to
lemon
street
and
forgot
it.
There's
no
crosswalks
plans,
there's
no
sidewalk
extension.
The
the
current
sidewalk
actually
ends
what
looks
like
15
or
20
feet
from
the
corner,
and
I'm
going
like
you
just
stopped
there
for
any
recommendation.
It
was
just
kind
of
strange.
So
that's
one
of
my
comments.
R
The
other
comment
I
have
is,
I
think
you
got
a
little
off
the
beaten
path
when
you
started
talking
about
filling
the
gap
in
with
the
multimedia
pathway,
I
mean
all
of
a
sudden
you're
talking
about
swinging
through
property
and
building
boardwalks
and
and
that
sort
of
thing,
and
that's
all
fine
and
dandy,
but
I
don't
think
that
was
germane
to
your
original
intent,
we're
looking
at
trying
to
come
up
with
the
ways
to
increase
north-south
traffic.
R
So,
along
those
lines,
I
also
feel
that
that
you
short-shrifted
when
you
started
talking
about
multimedia,
you
short
shifted
the
the
fact
that
safety
is
a
big
concern,
especially
for
our
fire
and
police
department
right
now,
that
area
is
being
served
by
palm
harbor
because
they
have
a
more
direct
route.
R
There's
no
reason
that
we
couldn't
look
at
a
multimedia
pathway
that
had
bullard
access
to
safety
traffic
and
that
just
wasn't
discussed
it
was
kind
of
like
potential
was
in
the
plan.
I'm
just
not
happy
with
that.
Otherwise,
in
that,
I
think
you
know
you
deserve
kudos
for
reaching
out
to
the
public
and
all
the
work
that
you
did.
I
think
it
was
fairly
comprehensive
and-
and
you
you
listen
to
whoever
would
show
up
to
to
speak
and
talk.
So
I'm
I'm
very,
very
happy
about
that.
R
M
It's
a
lot
of
good
information
that
can
be
used
for
the
next
step,
I
believe,
which
should
be
moving
forward,
to
look
at
other
grant
opportunities
for
complete
streets
to
enhance
the
safety
on
both
the
north
segment
and
south
segment
and
hopefully
at
some
point
to
connect
distant
in
the
gap
area.
Whatever
that
may
look
like
with
the
different
alternatives,
there's
a
couple
comments
that
were
brought
up
and
I
do
want
to
make
sure
that
they're
addressed
and
I
believe,
chief,
you
made
a
couple-
notes:
lime,
street
and
distant.
M
D
M
M
M
Another
thing
that's
that
was
brought
up
to
me
multiple
times
is
the
elderly
and
myself,
even
as
a
as
a
growing
up,
I
wasn't
allowed
to
drive
a
19.
I
had
to
find
alternative
routes
to
to
go
south
county,
but
we
have
a
significant,
diverse
demographic
in
our.
How
would
I
say
that
more
mature
population-
I
would
say
the
retired
population
that
don't
feel
comfortable
necessarily
driving
on
us,
19
and
they've-
been
asking
for
this
for
many
years
too,
just
like
a
lot
of
local
residents
have
been
asking
for
too
too.
M
M
Ford
pinellas
has
grants
in
place
to
where
they
could
pay
for
this,
and
the
consultant
said:
there's
even
a
federal
grant
available
where
the
city
of
tarpon
springs
have
put
hardly
any
money
out
for
this
to
see
what
these
could
look
like
from
a
complete
street
standpoint
and
also
could
help
us
with
other
street
areas
for
safety
as
well
too,
because
we
have
very
little
bike
paths
through
our
city
and
that's
a
really
big,
dangerous
and
a
big
concern.
I
think,
across
the
board
and
another
interesting
thing.
M
So
I
thought
that
was
a
really
interesting
situation,
so,
in
my
in
my
opinion,
though,
I
think
we
need
to
move
forward
with
doing
some
type
of
additional
grant
application.
What
the
next
steps
would
be
is
how
to
move
forward
to
address
what
really
the
citizens
have
been
wanting
to
see
for
many
many
years
and
trying
to
connect
this
gap.
I
think
we
get
creative
on
how
that
gap
is
connected.
M
It
doesn't
have
to
be
a
straight
gap,
but
obviously
safety
needs
to
be
first,
and
how
do
we
address
that,
and
we
really
could
continue
this
plan
again
doesn't
guarantee
that
it
moves
forward,
but
it's
still
we
need
to
move
forward
for
the
next
step
to
do
what's
best
for
as
a
citizens
as
a
whole
in
the
city
as
a
whole.
Thank
you.
L
Thank
you
mayor.
Thank
you
staff.
Thank
you
consultant.
I've
looked
at
this
numerous
times
and
the
real
traffic
is
north
and
south
on
19.,
that's
predominantly
all
of
the
traffic
when
19
gets
backed
up
it.
L
L
If
we
were
to
open
up
this
street,
we
would
pull
minor
amounts
of
traffic
from
19
and
from
alt
19,
and
then
we
would
make
a
complete
mess
when
it
hits
live
oak
and
you
have
to
make
a
decision
to
make
the
left
by
dodecanese
and
you'd
never
be
able
to
make
that
left-hand
turn
to
make
the
right
to
go
up.
All
19
you'd
never
make
the
right-hand
turn.
It
would
be
backed
up
all
the
way
over
going
to
19.
L
it's
interesting,
and
I
don't
want
to
disrespect
anybody
from
them,
considering
that
they
have
a
five
minute
jump
from
distant
avenue
to
belcher,
but
that's
with
the
current
plan.
They
would
have
a
five
minute
jump.
The
minute
we
opened
that
up
that
five
minute
jump
would
be
a
parking
lot
and
I
don't
think
they're
considering
that
you
know
the
first
couple
of
days
that
people
don't
know
that's
open.
L
L
L
As
far
as
I
want
to
go,
otherwise,
because
we're
going
to
just
be
making
three
19s
and
the
part
you
know
you
can
speak
about
the
benefit
to
maybe
knocking
down
some
of
the
traffic
on
curlew
place,
but
very
little
is
discussed
on
the
applying
the
headache
to
distance.
L
Everybody
on
that
block
would
now
be
it'd.
Be
alt
19
going
down
that
block,
and
then
you
have
another
situation,
because
every
one
of
those
cross
streets,
mlk
lime,
just
every
one
of
those
streets-
would
be
an
accident
looking
for
a
place
to
happen
from
other
people.
Five
o'clock,
it's
a
war
zone
in
here
we're
just
we're
a
passer.
L
L
I
think
most
of
the
people
that
know
about
the
traffic
try
to
veer
out
and
go
down
klosterman
and
will
veer
through
florida
avenue
and
skirt
their
way
around
the
backside,
so
actually
we'd
be
not
gaining
anything
for
the
people,
even
in
you
know,
going
through
to
pasco,
so
nobody's
presented
anything
where
it's
been
a
positive.
I've
seen
only
negatives
to
it
and
I
don't
want
to
vote
for
anything
that
would
cause
more
headache
than
help
than
help.
So
that's
my
take
on
that.
C
C
I
don't
know
if
they
need
to
be
raised,
that's
for
you
all
to
decide
but
crosswalks
at
every
intersection,
especially
in
segments
b
and
c,
where
we
have
the
minority
neighborhoods
it's
important
to
make
sure
that
those
pedestrians
are
able
to
travel
easily
to
the
shopping
plazas
off
of
us,
19
being
publix
and
walmart,
etc.
C
I
don't
like
the
roundabout
over
at
iv
and
distant.
I
think
we
could
use
another
intersection
enhancement,
just
like
we
saw
at
distant
pine
as
well.
I
and
guys
I
ran
a
campaign
on
that
gap
not
being
put
through,
and
I'm
going
to
stick
to
my
guns
on
it,
because
I
understand
you
guys
want
to
save
convenience,
to
be
able
to
get
home
and
or
leave
home
and
get
to
your
jobs
faster,
but
that
is
a
minority
neighborhood.
There
are
a
lot
of
kids
playing
in
those
areas.
C
Where
we
know
someone
has
passed
away
before
from
being
hit,
I'm
not
at
a
convenience
going
to
approve
a
gas,
a
gap
segment
being
put
through
to
save
you
time
when
we
have
safety
of
the
minority
neighborhood
that
needs
to
be
protected,
especially
they're,
walking
to
and
from
the
cops
and
kids
center.
There's
all
those
neighbors
there's
a
lot
more
pedestrian
traffic
over
there
than
not
and
before
we
do
decide
to
have
the
gap
put
through.
C
We
need
to
make
sure
the
infrastructure
and
the
walkability
up
and
down
distance
taken
care
of
addressed.
These
are
old
town,
roads,
neighborhoods
and
they
need
to
be
taken
care
of
first
before
we
we
decide
to
push
that
road
through
because
at
the
end
of
the
day
you
know,
we've
heard
some
statements
three
hours
ago
through
tarpon,
that
I
don't
see
the
case
with
that.
C
Well,
that's
going
to
make
it
harder
when
it's
rush
hour
traffic
to
open
up
a
gap
for
emergency
vehicles
to
go
to
and
from
the
neighborhood
right
now
it's
one
it's
a
one
lane
going
north
and
south
on
both
sides,
but
there's
enough
space
where
the
vehicles
can
actually
move
to
the
side
for
emergency
vehicles
to
get
to
the
hospital.
So
I'm
not
going
to
support
the
gap.
C
I
said
it
before
most
of
the
people
up
here.
Random
froth
ran
for
office
said
that
too,
and
I
would
rather
take
our
time
taking
care
of
our
infrastructure
over
there
in
the
minority
section
before
I
allow
that
gap
to
come
through.
Thank
you.
A
A
A
You
know
it's
real
easy
to
get
wrapped
up
politically
and
all
of
this
things
have
been
done
since
the
50s
we've
talked
about
that
you
know
I
can
give
you
hundreds
of
things
in
tarpon
that
have
been
talked
about
since
the
50s
and
they
still
aren't
done.
You
know
we
had
5
000
people
in
town
in
the
50s,
we've
got
25
000
now
and
some
things
aren't
any
different
in
the
50s
than
they
are
now
our
city
manager
in
1995.
A
This
matter
came
up.
This
was
the
police
chief.
We
can
tell
you
exactly
why
it
wasn't
built
back
then.
It
wasn't
because
of
some
practical
reason
that
the
study
didn't
suggest
that
it
needed
to
be
built.
There
were
other
ulterior
reasons
why
it
wasn't
been
built,
so
it's
great
that
we
can
talk
about
things
over
the
past
50
years
or
so.
But
the
fact
is
today's
today,
and
this
is
what
we're
dealing
with
and
as
far
as
my
becoming
mayor
wasn't
to
sit
there
and
talk
about
why
things
haven't
been
done.
A
I
am
so
so
angry
with
our
florida
department
transportation
that
they
continually
rely
on
our
city,
us
municipalities,
to
solve
their
problems
for
them.
There
would
be
no
doubt
in
my
mind
that
fdot
would
love
to
have
distant
opened
up,
because
it
would
quote
in
their
mind
relieve
them
on
responsibility
on
doing
something
on
alternate
19
and
u.s
19
through
tarpon
springs,
and
that's
the
troubling
part
of
this.
So
it
may
be
very
easy
for
them
to
put
this
thing
through,
but
quite
frankly,
I
don't
want
to
let
them
off
the
hook
so
easily.
A
A
The
the
one
thing
that
kimberly
horn,
which
is
our
consultant,
mr
snyder,
brought
out
that
there's
not
been
an
engineering
study.
When
I
talked
to
him,
we
don't
even
know
if
you
can
build
a
road
across
the
gap
and
we
don't
even
know
how
expensive
that
would
be,
and
we've
also
got
priorities
in
this
city
that
some
of
you
may
think
are
more
important
than
this
gap.
A
When
we
get
down
to
that,
for
example,
I
think,
in
my
opinion,
near
term
that
hill
on
lime
and
distant
is
a
lot
more
dangerous
to
me
than
what
we've
got
with
distant
avenue
right
now
in
mirrors,
I
just
that's
the
one
that
I
can't
believe:
we've
been
living
with
so
long,
that's,
basically
a
shortcut
from
the
main
part
of
town
to
the
to
the
post
office.
I
travel
that
all
the
time
and
believe
me,
I
always
do
a
double
take.
A
A
I
do
have
some
questions
on
distant
avenue
and
I'm
not
so
sure
there
were
some
results
given
where,
first
of
all
the
objective,
the
original
objective
of
this
study
was
to
demonstrate
whether
connecting
distant
all
the
way
through
would
alleviate
or
shorten
commute
time
on
u.s
19
and
alternate
19..
That
was
demonstrated
that
it
did
not,
and
then
there
was
some
other
effects.
The
results
that
came
through
that
suggested
that
you
would
have
some
traffic
come
off
of
off
us.
19
alternate
19.
A
That
would
be
more
of
your
local
traffic
rather
than
regional
traffic,
meaning
that
it
would
be
crossing
going
across
town
to
continue
north.
In
my
looking
at
the
results,
by
connecting
distant,
it
would
increase
the
traffic
on
destin
avenue
between
klostermann
mirrors
from
4
000
to
10
000
cars
a
day,
that's
quite
a
bit,
and
then
I
also
looked
at.
I
said:
okay,
let's
see
how
many
cars
actually
come
off
us19
and
alternate
19.
A
A
So
I'm
not
sure
how
things
were
looking
at
the
results,
and
that's
the
one
thing
that
I
would
want
to
spend
more
time
with
the
consultant
in
the
future
discussing
that,
because
the
findings,
I
still
have
some
questions
concerning
that
as
far
as
moving
forward.
I
I'd
like
to
kind
of
do
this
in
a
little
bit
of
a
more
structured
approach.
A
I
think
that
there
were
three
kind
of
policy
areas
that
we
should
look
at.
One
was
the
safety
enhancements
along
the
entire
corridor
from
klosterman
all
the
way
up
to
live
oak
street,
and
that's
one.
A
second
one
is
the
multi
multi-modal
route
which
would
be
for
bicycles
and
and
pedestrians
and
things-
and
I
do
mr
schneider-
I
do
have
a
question
for
you
on
on
the
route
heading
swinging
out
to
the
west
side
of.
A
Distant
there,
some
concept
of
actually
leaving
that
right-of-way
area
and
going
into
the
landfill
and
swinging
back
again,
I
that
I
didn't
see
we
didn't
make
that
connection
there.
How
would
you
suggest
getting
was
that
getting
around
it
going
over
the
landfill
or
was
that
ruled
out
now
completely?
I
know
it
wasn't
an
engineering
study
but
conceptually
sure.
P
We
we
had
talked
about
you
could
swing
into
the
landfill
and
again
an
engineering
study
hadn't
been
done,
but
that
was
a
way
that
folks
from
the
public
had
talked
about
using
that
areas
ecologically
or
from
a
wildlife
perspective.
Could
you
swing
it
in
and
then
come
back
into
distant,
closer
to
mirrors,
okay,.
A
And
that
that
was
the
second
one
is
the
multi-modal.
Then
the
third
part
was
actually
connecting
distance
between
klostermann
and
mirs.
A
What
I'd
like
to
do
is,
in
addition
to
accepting
the
presentation,
results,
go
ahead
and
give
the
staff
some
direction
as
far
as
what
the
next
step
would
be
in
the
form
of
safety.
A
Improvements
with
the
priorities
would
be
their
the
multimodal
approach,
maybe
a
separate
effort
on
that
and
then
the
doing
a
little
more
of
a
characterization
of
the
gap
in
terms
of
environmental
and
and
impact,
and
that
sort
of
thing
the
one
thing,
mr
snyder,
just
as
a
you
know,
former
engineer
that
gap
could
actually
become
a
retention
pond
for
something
that
we
do
off.
That
main
right
away.
That
could
we
haven't
looked
at
that
either
exactly.
P
A
There's
some
other
alternatives
that
could
be
done
there
as
well
to
swing
out
whatever
we
do
over
the
landfill
recognizing
there's
some
challenges
there
for
heavier
vehicles,
but
that's
where
I'd
like
to
leave
it
this
evening,
and
maybe
the
staff
come
back
and
for
some
future
grant
pursue
some
future
grants.
I
know
ford
pinellas,
I
believe,
is
still
eager
to
work
with
us
in
that
regard.
Is
that
correct?
Okay?
Yes,.
A
Yeah,
ms
vinson,
do
you
have
any
ideas
in
that
regard,
any
anything
that
you
would
like
to
see
as
far
as
the
commission
moving
forward
from
a
practical
perspective,
to
make
your
life
a
little
easier.
F
I
mean,
I
think
I
mean
I
think
clearly,
you
know
as
a
city
focusing
on
the
safety
improvements
that
we
can
do.
You
know
quickly.
You
know
maybe
prioritizing
those
a
little
bit
more
working
with
publix
public
works
and
with
project
admin.
Do
some
of
those
may
be
needed
some
additional
studies
that
maybe
don't
are
in
design
that
don't
cost
a
lot
of
money
you
know.
So
I
think,
if
we
had
a
prioritized
list
of
the
safety
improvements
would
be
would
be
good.
F
You
know
we
can
start
looking
at
other
grant
opportunities
for
actual
construction
of
those.
If
we
don't
have
city
funds,
this
would
be
a
great
application
process
through
pinellas
county
for
community
development
block
grant
funds.
They
really
like
to
do
things.
F
You
know
with
their
money
besides
just
design
things,
so
I
think
there's
plenty
of
grant
opportunities
there,
and
then
I
mean,
I
think,
the
bigger
picture
of
that
plan
to
defer
to
bob
on
you
know
what
we
might
do
is
you
know
from
an
evaluation
standpoint
on
that
whole
the
gap
segment
and
the
landfill
and
everything,
so
that
would
probably
be
the
lower
priority,
but
something
that
does
need
to
be
done.
A
Well,
I
think
characterizing
that
not
necessarily
to
fill
it
in
and
put
a
road
over
it,
but
what
are
the
potential
uses
for
that?
That
would
be
one.
A
retention
pond
would
be
for
another
drainage
in
that
area
that
we
talked
about
up
there.
So
there
are
several
things
that
we
could
do
in
that
regard.
A
If
I'm
done
does
any
commissioner,
I
know
I
also
want
to
say:
police
chief
young
has
been
working
very
diligently
on
safety
improvements
too.
I'm
sure
he's
going
to
have
some
ideas.
Does
any
commissioner
have
anything
else?
They
want
to
say.
O
See
that
of
course,
go
ahead.
I
just
want
to
say
in
the
early
stages
of
the
drafts
being
done
in
the
report,
we've
put
into
effect
that
we're
in
I
don't
know
a
month
ago,
a
month.
I've
lost
track
of
time
these
last
couple
months,
but
we
already
put
into
effect
to
study
any
safety
enhancements.
That's
coming
out
of
this
thing,
which
most
of
them
we
can
do
ourselves
without
assistance
of
grant
money,
crosswalks
new
sidewalks.
O
In
fact,
you
saw
new
sidewalks
going
in
before
you
got
the
recommendation
because
we
identified
those
early
and
we've
done
so
so
between
the
chief
public
works
and
stuff.
We
are
already
looking
at
every
every
safety
enhancement.
That's
come
in
the
report
and
try
to
the
ones
we
can
do
now.
The
ones
we
need
may
need
to
budget
for
this
upcoming
budget.
So
for
your
number
one
priority
and
you
list
them
and
stuff,
we
well
begun.
O
Looking
all
those
and
you're
going
to
see
these
improvements,
then
you'll
see
new
crosswalks
you're,
going
to
see
a
lot
of
things
mentioned
tonight,
they're
already
on
the
works
to
be
doing
everything
along
this
whole
corridor.
We've
already
got
everybody
starting
to
look
at
and
to
do
them
as
we
can
do
them
and
stuff.
So
that
is
a
good
start
with
your
other
two
items
being
something
we
look
for
availabilities
of
money
to
begin
with,
and
possibly
additional
grants
to
do
those
things.
O
But
I
can
all
the
people
that
put
their
input
in
we've
already
started
on
looking
at
any
of
the
enhancements
that
we
can
do
and
they'll
be
seeing
them
coming
like
they
saw
the
sidewalk
coming
before
the
report
even
came.
A
Okay,
if
I
may
suggest
a
motion
to
accept
the
presentation,
results
and
then
also
direct
staff,
to
come
back
with
basically
suggestions
on
how
to
proceed
with
the
safety
improvements,
which
would
be
number
one
number.
Two.
The
only
item
that
was
required
in
the
comprehensive
plan
for
this
project
was
the
multimodal
path,
perhaps
come
back
with
a
follow-up
grant
for
that
and
then
number
three.
A
I
would
ask
that
the
connecting
the
gap
characterizing
it
engineering-wise
would
be
dealt
with
as
part
of
the
update
with
the
transportation
element
of
the
comprehensive
plan
and
have
that
in
there
as
far
as
a
need
of
the
deficiency.
If
it
rises
to
that
level,
that's
the
right
way.
It
should
be
handled
not
making
a
decision
tonight
on
the
fly
yeah
that
we
need
this
road
without
even
actually
looking
at
it
compared
to
everything
else
that
we
need
to
do
as
well.
So
it
would
be
a
motion
to
accept
the
results.
A
Number
of
the
presentation
results.
One
would
be
the
staff
to
come
back
with
the
safety
and
enhancements
number
two
to
address
the
an
approach
as
far
as
grants,
follow-ups
for
the
multimodal
path.
That's
that's,
that's
specified
in
the
comp
plan
and
number
three
to
address
the
connection
of
distant
between
klostermann
and
mirs
out
within
the
update
of
the
transportation
element
of
the
comprehensive
plan.
If.
D
A
A
S
Yes,
mr
trast,
in
a
memo
giving
you
the
background
and
the
information
regarding
this,
but
this
is
a
release
of
a
code
enforcement
board.
Lien
the
property
has
came
into
compliance
in
july
24th
of
2020
as
of
april
29
2022,
the
lien
had
totaled
65
dollars
and
twenty
seven
cents
the
negotiations
between
mr
trask
and
the
representative
for
the
property.
They
have
agreed
to
pay
twenty
thousand
dollars
to
get
a
release
of
that
lien,
and
he
is
recommending
that
you
accept
that.
A
A
A
Thank
you.
Any
of
the
commissioners
have
a
comment
to
make
on
this.
A
M
You
city
manager-
I
I
don't,
I
see
a
picture
of
the
initial
complaint
and
there's
a
significant
amount
of
growth
going
over
the
sidewalk.
Is
this
something
that
the
city
will
go
out
and
trim
and
then
charge
the
applicant,
for
I
mean
there's
a
huge
safety
issue
here
and
we
run
into
these
issues
like
in
intersections,
where
trees
are
over,
stop
signs
and
things
along
those
lines.
But
if
you
look
at
the
backup
I
mean
it's,
it's
really
obsessive
to
see
that
being
left
alone
and
not
being
touched.
M
M
A
Any
other
yes
hold
on
vice
mayor
lot,
go
ahead.
R
So,
look
I'm
sorry.
So
the
question
would
be
is
why
in
this
case,
didn't
we
do
that?
I
mean
I
saw
the
pictures
as
well
in
the
back
up,
I
happen
to
know
the
family
involved,
and
you
know
there
was
a
rather
long
letter
as
to
why
this
wasn't
attended
to
from
paying
the
the
fine
or
the
you
know
and
relieving
the
lean
sort
of
thing.
R
But
there
was
not
much
to
address
the
fact
that
this
was
really
overgrown
and
if
we
have
it,
as
commissioner
carr
mentioned
it
looked
like
a
safety
concern.
If
we
have
a
concern
where
it's
so
egregiously
violate
the
the
capacity
of
the
sidewalk
and
the
safety
of
the
adjacent
streets,
why
don't
we
just
do
that?
R
I
mean
isn't
the
intent
of
our
ordinances
for
compliance
rather
than
than
penalty,
so
doing
that
having
our
staff
doing
that
or
even
if
we
have
to
go
out
and
hire
some
other
company
to
do
that,
work
for
us
and
pass
those
charges
on
to
them.
It
seems
to
me
a
more
adequate
way
of
solving
these
kind
of
issues
and
letting
this
go
on
for
what
seems
to
be
an
awfully
long
period
of
time.
R
Also,
I
guess
further
to
that
we're
now
in
a
in
a
position
where
we're
negotiating
a
rather
large
fine
base
down
with
a
deceased
state.
I
don't
like
to
be
put
in
that
position.
R
I
don't
I
don't
like
it
at
all
and
I'm
I'm
inclined
to
reduce
it
to
zero,
because
it's
a
deceased
estate
and
we're
not
dealing
with
the
person
anymore,
we're
dealing
with
a
second
party
that
apparently
hasn't
been
involved
or
has
been
involved
in
in
her
financial
affairs
for
some
time,
but
has
not
been
involved
with
this
particular
financial
affair.
So
anyway,
that's
where
I
sit.
A
L
My
question
is:
whenever
we
get
these
code
enforcement
negotiations,
why
does
it
not
come
with
the
breakdown
of
how
much
of
this
was
actual
water
versus
how
much
of
it
was
penalties?
How
much
of
the
I
mean
I
didn't
want
to
ask
about
the
cutting
of
these
bushes
here.
That
should
have
been
done.
Oh
my
god,
you
can't
get
down
the
street,
but
how
much
of
this
was
the
code
enforcement
sending
out
letters?
L
How
much
was
you
know
all
the
expenses
that
we
incurred,
the
salaries
of
everybody
that
was
involved
because
it's
it's
I
I
mean
to
go
from
177
thousand
dollars
to
5
000
it
just.
It
makes
no
sense
and
I
sit
there-
and
I
just
I've,
heard
this
and
you
know
100
times
on
the
code
enforcement
where
we
we
negotiated
these
things
down,
so
they
become
just
figures
that
we
throw
out
there.
It's
200
000,
it's
30,
000,
it's
50,
000.
and
yet
we're
negotiating
down.
A
All
right,
commissioner,
is
there
anything
else?
No.
C
I
agree
with
vice
mayor
lund,
just
looking
at
the
history,
this
this
property
hosts
first
high
grass
and
then
I
believe,
after
the
the
compliance
it
became
brazilian
tree
pepper
issue,
and
I
do
want
to
note
this
was
at
a
time
where
reporting
violations
you
could
just
put
a
name
and
somewhat
being
anonymous,
and
this
violation
was
initiated
by
our
own
city
staff,
telling
our
code
enforcement
officer
that
that
shouldn't
be
happening,
our
city
staff,
if
they
were
to
be
doing
stuff
like
that
there
would
be
a
long
list
if
that
was
still
happening
legally
legally
these
days,
you
cannot
just
put
your
name
and
say
you
work
for
the
city.
C
You
have
to
put
your
full
name
and
an
address
behind
a
complaint
that
way
you
can
make
them
valid,
and
I
also
saw
that
a
lot
of
the
mailings
to
the
property
owner
that
was
listed
as
a
property
owner.
They
were
all
returned
and
I
know
we're
not
the
sixth
judicial
court
circuit,
but
in
order
for
us
proceedings
to
usually
occur,
a
service
of
delivery
has
to
be
official
and
it
has
to
be
given.
So
the
individuals
know
I
do
know
that
miss
the
individual
who's
deceived.
C
She
was
better
written
for
a
long
time
many
years,
and
I
want
to
be
on
this
board
to
help
people
comply
and
may
issue
fines
that
make
sense
for
people,
and
I
would
ask
this
board
if
we
could
follow
up
with
vice
mayor
lund's
recommendation
and
reduce
it
to
zero
if
possible,
but
moving
forward
city
staff.
I
I
don't
like
city
staff
doing
that,
I
don't
think
it's
going
to
happen
and
with
the
new
structure
and
laws
regarding
code
enforcement,
that
type
of
behavior
can't
happen
anymore.
C
A
You,
I
know
we're
getting
you
at
a
disadvantage,
ms
meyer,
but
do
you
have
a
summary
of
that?
Or
can
you
speak
to
that
all.
S
I
all
I
have
is
what
was
in
the
packet
provided
by
mr
trask.
It
shows
that
the
principal
was
fifty
nine
thousand
three
hundred
dollars.
There's
prosecution.
Cost
of
116
interest
accrues
daily
until
it's
paid
at
the
time
of
april.
As
of
april
11.
2020
interest
was
just
under
six
thousand
dollars
as
administrative
fees
recording
fees
that
are
involved.
Mr
trask's
fees
to
this
point
are
a
little
under
five
hundred
dollars.
A
I
I
agree
with
what
we
just
said.
I
I
know
the
the
property
owner
in
question
and
I
know
that
she
was
incapacitated
and
I
know
there's
some
discussion
that
the
executor
was
not
notified,
or
else
he
said
he
would
have
taken
care
of
it,
and
I've
spoken
to
the
executor
before
on
other
issues
too.
So
I
don't.
I
don't
have
an
issue
with
that.
The
only
thing
I
would
ask
is,
and
we
don't
have
a
specific
amount,
but
if
we
could,
if
this
is
what
the
commission
wants
to
do
to.
G
S
D
A
And
leave
it
up
to
mr
trask.
M
I
mean
there's
rough
estimates.
It
sounds
like
it's
under
a
thousand
dollars,
but
we
say
twenty
five
hundred
or
three
thousand
dollars,
it's
well
below
what
the
negotiated
rate,
so
the
executor
of
the
state
agreed
to
pay
twenty
thousand.
So
even
if
we
go
to
five
thousand
dollars,
it's
still
gonna
well
cover
and
still
be
a
win
for
the
state
too
in
that
area.
M
So
I
mean
with
that
I
mean
I
would
recommend
settling
up
four
thousand
dollars
to
make
sure
it
covers
all
all
fees
over
the
past
years
and
and
then
move
forward
and
close
this
out.
R
S
R
R
A
R
D
B
M
R
A
S
Thank
you
again,
mr
trask
provided
a
memo
outlining
the
background
regarding
this,
these
pieces
of
property.
This
is
a
partial
release
of
a
code
enforcement
lien
allowing
the
individual.
Who
now
has
the
property,
who
I
believe
representative
is
here
with
us
today
to
clear
the
title
and
sell
these
particular
lots.
There
will
be
two
liens
that
will
remain.
They
will
not
be
released
by
this
partial
release,
which
is
a
code
enforcement
lien
of
about
177
thousand
dollars
and
a
utility
utility
lien
of
about
eighteen
thousand
dollars.
S
Those
will
remain
on
the
properties
that
were
owned
by
the
the
individual
who
recently
passed
and
those
will
not
be
released.
This
will
just
be
these.
The
lots
that
you
can
see
in
the
memorandum
and
the
settlement
that
has
been
discussed
is
five
thousand
dollars.
G
G
I
represent
estelle
watley
saunders
and
she
had
ownership
of
the
property
is
without
getting
into
legal
terminology.
She
she
had
a
remainder
interest
so
which
means
her
her,
even
though
she
owned
an
interest.
Her
interest
did
not
come
into
being
until
mr
burroughs
died.
She
had
control
of
of
these
particular
lots.
That's
why
you
will
note
that
those
code
enforcement
liens
were
not
attached
to
these
lots
because
she
had
owners,
not
ownership.
Well,
she
had
ordership.
G
She
had
control
of
those
lots,
so
they
weren't
necessarily
so
mr
burroughs
owned
these
other
properties,
and
I
think
under
the
city
ordinance
if
you've
got
a
code
enforceable
lead
on
one
property,
it
impacts
all
your
property,
and-
and
so
we
didn't
know
about
these,
these
liens,
because,
quite
frankly,
my
client
doesn't
get
mr
burroughs
mail
and
the
properties
that
those
leads
were
on
were
not
had.
It
had
nothing
to
do
with
my
client,
so
we
actually
have
a
contract
to
sell
a
few
of
the
lots
to
somebody.
G
I
think
it
wants
to
build
the
residence.
So
we
didn't
know
about
these
liens
until
the
title
work
was
done,
and
I
want
to
thank
a
city
manager
recognizing
the
the
problem
and
the
city
attorney
so
because
this
thing
needed
to
be
on
a
timely
basis.
So
we
can.
We
can
move
forward,
and-
and
so
I
appreciate
the
comments
on
the
prior
item
because
you
know
I
sat
on
the
code
enforcement
board
years
ago,
and
one
of
my
frustrations
has
always
been
you.
G
Don't
we
have
to
look
at
the
residents
when
you
look
at
a
code
enforcement
because
some
people,
I
represent
a
lot
of
elderly
people
and
whether
they've
got
dementia
alzheimer's.
They
live
at
home,
they're,
not
they're,
not
they're
cutting
their
grass,
they
don't
have
the
ability
sometimes
to
remember
to
do
things
and
they
just
let
their
properties,
decay
and
then
it's
left
to
the
family
members
to
pick
up
the
pieces.
A
Thank
you.
Are
there
any
public
comments
concerning
this
matter.
A
R
Okay,
so
I
understand
the
remainder
man
thing
and
and
what
they
were
involved
in
and-
and
it
all
makes
perfect
sense-
that's
actually
not
my
comment
on
on
this
particular
part
of
this
item.
My
comment
is
that
he's
correct
in
the
fact
that
the
liens
go
over
to
mr
burroughs
other
non-homesteaded
properties.
R
R
So
what
do
we
do
in
this
case?
So
we're
relieving
property
because
of
the
remainder
men
thing,
which
I
actually
think
is
a
fair
thing
to
do
if
they
weren't
aware
of
this
ongoing
fine
stuff,
but
then
we're
putting
liens
that
on
other
properties
that
are
so
far
in
advance
of
what
the
properties
are
actually
worth,
that
it
seems
to
be
ludicrous.
A
G
Properties,
so
they
assume
that's
all
correct
and
because,
because
these
lots,
11
through
14,
17,
18
and
19,
were
under
possession
of
miss
watley,
she
wasn't
getting
the
mail
because
they
built
the
the
legal
title
was
mr
burroughs
yeah.
I
understand
yeah,
so
I
know
of
no
other
properties
with
mr
burles,
because
I
I'll
just
say
he's
not
my
client.
He
was
not.
G
S
I
don't
know
if
this
helps
the
board
or
not.
Mr
tress
did
provide
information
from
february
of
2022
when
some
other
liens
were
released,
bought
that
were,
it
was
mr
burroughs
property.
I
believe
his
daughter
was
dealing
with
mr
trask
and
the
so
you
did
release
some
other
liens
that
were
on
other
properties.
I
don't
know
exactly
how
many
properties
he
owns
and
that
may
have
been
the
ones
you
were
looking
at,
but
there
were
some
other
releases
that
occurred
in
early
2022
for
fifteen
thousand
dollars.
A
Know
is
that
this
forgiveness
is
reduced
from.
I
think
the
60
there's
a
fine
out
there
for
60
something
thousand
then
there's
a
water
bill
lean
a
utility
lien
for
that's
got
nothing
to
do
with
code
enforcement.
It's
more
of
a
utility
lien.
R
A
Is
pretty
high
up
there
as
well?
I
I
that
would
be
a
question
for
how
we've
handled
in
the
past,
and
I
think
what
mr
trask
is
going
to
tell
you
just
basically
bite
the
bullet
and
you
get
what
you
can
and
the
whole
thing
tonight
is
to
avoid
any
further
legal
fees
that
we
would
have
to
absorb
moving
forward
with
whatever
else
we'd
want
to
do.
R
M
Thanks
mayor,
so
just
real
quick
on
the
utility
liens,
it's
something
that
we
are
not
able
to
forgive
the
177
thousand
dollars,
that's
still
outstanding,
with
the
other
property
that
can
be
reduced
or
forgiven.
To
some
extent.
M
With
this
situation
I
mean
it's
almost,
I
would
say
similar
to
the
situation
before
this.
I
wouldn't
want
to
see
anything
more
than
a
thousand
dollars
tonight.
I
think
it
would
show
some
type
of
basis
of
favoritism
or
some
issues
if
we
don't
reduce
it
to
a
thousand
dollars
with
what
we
just
did
this
last
time.
These
properties
were,
if
I
remember
the
one
in
february
in
very,
very
bad
shape
and
the
applicant
decided
not
to
do
it
or
not
the
applicant.
M
I'm
sorry,
the
property
owner
decided
not
to
do
anything
after
multiple,
multiple,
multiple
notices,
but
now
this
is
being
passed
down
to
family
members
and
it
wasn't
their
decision
at
that
time
to
get
those.
So
it's
what
they
received,
so
I
would
be
in
the
same
boat
that
happened
last
time.
I
would
make
a
recommendation
to
release
the
liens
of
a
thousand
dollars
to
let
the
others
sit
on
the
other.
L
Thank
you.
I
misspoke
last
time,
because
this
is
the
one
that
I
was
questioning
about.
How
much
is
the
water
lean
on?
I
considered
that
for
12
it
really
should
have
been
for
13..
So
do
we
have
any
idea
how
much
this
what
a
utility
bill
is
for?
Is
it
all
penalties?
Is
it
actually
water
usage?
Do
we
have.
B
B
L
A
The
the
thing
the
item
before
us
this
evening
is
just
that
five
thousand
dollars
for
those
I
think
five
or
six
five
to
seven
lots.
I
believe
that's.
G
And
just
just
for
the
commissioners
like
these
lanes
that
were
created
or
these
fines
have
nothing
to
do
with
the
properties
that
we're
trying
to
get
released
right
again,
you
know,
mr
burrell
is
on
quite
a
bit
of
properties
at
one
time
whether
he
had
leads
on
one
or
all
of
his
properties.
I
don't
know,
but
under
the
ordinance
it
all
attaches,
and
he
had,
I
think
since
20
2010
was
2010.
G
I
think
that's
in
your
backup
that
that
my
client
had
possession
of
the
property,
even
though
she
wasn't
the
technical
legal
owner,
she
had
an
ownership
right,
but
she
wasn't
the
technical
legal
owner.
So
for
the
past
12
years
you
know
she's
been
in
possession
of
these
properties
and
and
now
to
to
be
hit
with
something
that
she
had.
No,
you
know
could
create
any
issues
and
wasn't
getting
any
mail
with
regard
to
any
lien.
So
that's
that's.
I
just
want
to
remind
the
commission.
There
yeah.
L
Still
is
on
here,
and
this
is
where
it's
I
get
confused.
It
says
that
this
is
a
partial
release
of
both
liens.
A
Nah
it
just
the
five
thousand
dollars
gets
deducted
from.
I
think
some
I
if
I
remember
the
number
is
like
67
000
or
something
like
that.
Just
that
reduces
that
and
then
that
five
thousand
dollars
would
actually
come
out
of
closing
whatever
money
is
obtained
by
the
selling
of
those
lots.
A
M
It
can
make
a
quick
comment.
Yes,
so
I
don't
know
if
you
know
this
or
not,
but
it's
something
I
learned
as
I've
been
on
the
commission
when
you
don't
have,
let's
say
a
piece
of
property:
that's
not
developed
or
there's
some
type
of
house
that
you're
not
utilizing,
but
you
still
have
water,
there's
a
service
fee,
something
along
those
lines
in
the
water
bill,
and
that
could
be
the
reason
for
why
you
see
the
utility
building
up
since
1994
to
that
number.
M
So
there
is
still
some
type
of
payment.
That's
due
and
paul
smith
has
gone
into
details
with
that
with
me
multiple
times,
so
it's
just
something
to
for
further
education,
for
I
think
the
board
to
learn
more
about
too.
S
There
is
a
document
in
your
your
backup
in
the
packet
that
shows
a
certificate
of
indebtedness
from
2006,
and
that
is
discussing
the
utility
lien
and
it's
showing
that.
As
of
that
time
frame
in
june
of
2006,
there
was
a
lien,
eight
hundred
forty
six
dollars
and
thirteen
cents,
and
that
was
for
unpaid.
S
The
way
it
reads
due
and
unpaid.
So
it
sounds
like
some.
Obviously
something
wasn't
getting
paid,
but
then,
at
that
time
interest
started
recruiting.
That's
why
I
wrote
a
higher
number
because
it
wasn't
the
lien
was
issued
and
as
these
liens
sit
there,
they
accrue
and
the
numbers
get
higher
and
higher.
S
C
M
Motion
to
reduce
the
lien
or
I'm
sorry
the
settlement
to
one
thousand
dollars
for
the
lots
listed
and
the
agenda
item
13.
A
G
Yes,
thank
you
and
city
attorney
a
question
with
regard
to
closing:
will
they
will
I
get
something
that
they
can?
I
could
send
to
the
title.
A
Item
14
appointment
of
commissioner
to
forward
pinellas
school
transportation
safety
committee.
This
was
a
committee
that
commissioner
carr
served
on
until
he
became
our
representative
for
the
tampa
bay
regional
planning
council.
It
meets
twice
a
year
on
wednesdays,
I
believe
at
nine
in
the
morning,
but
commissioner
carr,
where
do.
A
Okay,
do
I
have
a
volunteer?
A
L
A
A
A
D
A
I
think
that
ends
our
agenda.
Let's
go
to
board
and
staff
comments.
Oh
jesus
chief
young.
Do
you
have
anything
no
comment,
sir?
Ms
jacobs.
B
Just
real
quickly,
I
wanted
to
advise
the
board
and
also
our
residents,
watching
that
we're.
As
soon
as
I
have
the
dates,
I
will
afford
them
to
the
commission
and
post
them
online,
but
we're
looking
at
starting
the
citizens
academy,
again,
probably
the
first
week
of
august
and
I'll
last
for
nine
weeks.
We
do
have
some
positions
still
left.
So
if
anyone
wants
to
apply,
they
can
go
online
and
get
an
application
or
call
the
clerk's
office
and
we'll
be
happy
to
forward
them
on.
A
A
Put
that
on
okay,
ms
meyer,
do
you
have
any
comments.
A
Let's
see,
let's
start
with
commissioner
curios,
do
you
have
any
comments?
No
comments,
commissioner?
Eisner
always
I
forgot
you,
I
forgot
to
say
manager.
Of
course,
let's
go
ahead
and
you
have
anything.
L
To
bring
up
a
couple
of
things,
I've
gotten
phone
calls
on
and
I
don't
know
if
that's
appropriate
enough,
but
I
I
I
got
the
same
call
from
gary
zimmerman
about
sea
breeze.
So
I
just
wanted
to
touch
base
and
let
you
know
and
kate
I
didn't
know
if
he
was
gonna
call.
I
wanted
to
remind
the
city
manager
about
the
pathway
at
sunset
beach
for
the
ada,
because
that
was
something
that
was
also.
L
Beach
maps-
yes,
I
don't
know
where
they're
at
somebody
commented
to
me
about
pushing
you
know
when
we're
gonna
get
the
dredge
done.
You
know
an
actual
date,
but,
okay,
you
don't
have
to
answer
me
on
that
and
just
we've
gotten
a
lot
of
com.
I've
gotten
a
lot
of
complaints
on
the
boat
trailers,
so
I
know
I've
seen
officers
there
issuing
tickets,
but
we
do
have
to
find
out
something
to
do
with
craig
craig
park
about
getting
people
parked.
L
E
D
A
I
I
agree
with
what
you're
saying
we
just
need
to
stay
on
top
of
things
and
keep
it
moving.
That's
one
of
the
reasons
why
I'd
love
to
get
a
boat
ramp
elsewhere
to
take
care
of
that
parking
once
and
for
all,
so
we'll
be
talking
about
that
other
property
here
in
the
future
city
management
course.
O
O
After
that
meeting,
I
sent
everybody
a
procedure
of
how
to
do
that.
I
want
to
thank
commissioner
coolios.
He
followed
the
procedures
to
t.
We
got
him
the
answers.
We
immediately
got
them
to
the
board.
We
posted
them.
We
have
a
place
on
the
website
where
we're
posting
the
questions
that
all
worked.
Fine.
Unfortunately,
it
didn't
work
fine
on
question
that
was
to
avoid
and
keep
the
agenda
moving
and
try
to
keep
these
timeless.
But
obviously
that
didn't
happen
this
time.
O
So
I
know
the
mayor
mentioned
it
that
we
need
to
do
something
about
that.
But
staff
is
available
to
answer
those
questions
and
post
them
to
meet
on
agenda
items,
because
when
we
take
consent,
agendas
pull
most
of
them
and
go
one
by
one.
O
The
other
thing
I
want
to
bring
up
is
that
two
commissioners
always
approached
me
about
a
consideration
for
changing
the
time
of
code
enforcement
meetings.
If
I
have
a
third,
if
it's
a
consensus
board,
my
recommendation
would
be.
The
first
thing
we
do
is
is
go
to
the
code
enforcement
board.
Put
that
on
a
discussion
item
for
that
agenda
coming
up
and
have
them
discussed
and
get
their
input
along
the
process.
O
That
would
be
my
thoughts,
but
I
wanted
to
get
any
thoughts.
Obviously,
commission
coulis,
commissioner
heisner
brought
it
up.
Obviously,
it's
something
the
other
commission
at
least
one
other
commissioner,
wants
to
consider
if
there's
another
process
besides
going
to
coding,
for
if
we
want
to
put
it
on
agenda
item
and
discuss
here
first,
if
we
want
to
go
to
code
enforcement,
I'm
ready
to
initiate
whatever
process
to
get
that
ongoing
decision
made
and
I'd
leave
it
to
you
to.
Let
me
know
what
you
think
the
first
step.
O
Bring
it
through
this
board,
we
also
got
to
have
to
look
for
a
night
we're
going
to
have
to
work.
We
have
to
really
look
one
of
the
things
we're
talking
about
the
evening
and
moving
it
as
we
get
into
our
schedules
with
performance
stuff.
So
so
we'll
have
to
look
at
a
night.
What
night
we
can
do
once
a
month,
or
you
know
the
thought
of
maybe
starting
at
five
or
starting.
O
R
O
They
go,
they
they
go
they're
sporadic.
I
mean
it
may
be
something
we
could
do
as
we
know
the
crowd,
but
let's
see
what
they.
A
O
L
Yes,
I
wanted
to
respond
because
I
didn't
have
half
those
questions
posed.
It
was,
I
think
I
had
gotten
a
copy
of
commissioner
coulius's
questions
and
answered,
which
prompted,
of
course,
a
number
of
questions,
and
there
would
have
been
no
way.
I
could
have
gotten
those
questions
to
you
with
response
because,
as
I
was
over
at
five
o'clock
at
the
hospital
for
the
you
know
opening,
so
that
was
the
reason
why
I
had
to,
as
both
of
you
said,
not
follow
the
rules.
L
I
just
didn't
have
the
time
to
get
that,
but
I
definitely
understand
it
and
I'm
not
looking
to
do
that
again.
You
know,
but
I
because
I
could
appreciate
moving
it
along,
but,
as
I
said
to
commissioner
coolies,
he
asked
some
very
good
questions
and
it
just
it
made
me
springboard
into
some
other
things,
and
I
think
it
also
has
to
do
with
some.
You
know
being
new
as
well.
A
A
We
had
an
outstanding
meeting
at
st
petersburg
college
with
the
collaborative
laboratories
as
far
as
this
process
of
of
priorities
and-
and
I
think
it
surprised
a
lot
of
us
of
working
interacting
with
the
staff,
and
I
think
that
the
one
thing
that
you'll
realize
we've
got
a
very-
I
won't
call
them
professional
staff,
but
they're
literally
literally
experts
on
what
they
do.
Ms
lewis
has
got
tremendous
amount
of
knowledge
and
and
expertise
from
the
federal
government
I
mean
that's.
A
I
know
over
20
years
I
believe
yeah
and
so
he's
got
a
vast
knowledge
and
his
field
he's
been
there
done.
It
has
a
you
know,
good
handle
on
everything
and-
and
you
could
speak
the
same
thing
for
everybody
else,
so
I
always
try
and
give
them
the
benefit
of
the
doubt
of
why
things
are
done.
That
way.
A
I
do
know
that
one
thing
of
why
some
of
these
contracts
are
upping
up
is
because
I
mean
I
I
kind
of
feel
good
about
it
in
the
sense
that
over
the
last
several
months,
there's
been
this
ramping
up
of
intensity
to
get
things
done,
and
also
the
fact
that
we've
left
the
staff
alone
to
do
this
sort
of
thing.
So
that's
I
want
to
continue
letting
them
do
their
job.
A
When
we
decide
to
do
something
here,
it
ought
to
be
done
in
the
proper
context
to
allow
them
to
work
it
in
with
whatever
their
work
schedule
is,
rather
than
expecting
something
to
be
done
immediately.
Unless
it's
a
safety
issue
or
something
along
that
line.
That's
the
approach
I'd
like
to
take,
and
this
evening
it's
9
44.
I
think
we
should
have
been
done
an
hour
ago.
I
think
just
let's
just
be
mindful
of
that.
When
we
go
forward,
I
don't
have
anything
else
this
evening,
anything
last
chance,
okay,
meeting
adjourned
at
9
45..