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A
B
B
C
Yeah
gracious
creator
mighty
God.
We
thank
you
that
you
have
allowed
us
to
live
in
this
city.
We
ask
that
you
would
help
us
to
be
good
stewards
to
treat
each
other
with
respect
and
love
and
that
you
might
be
glorified
in
this
city
and
all
who
work
and
live
here
guide
now
are
leaders
that
you
have
called
with
your
wisdom
that
they
might
have
make
wise
decisions.
We
ask
for
your
presence
here
with
us.
We
ask
all
of
this.
C
A
A
2023-22
has
to
do
with
a
parking
lot
conditional
use
for
Rusty
Bellies
at
the
Sponge
Docks.
So
we'll
hear
that
in
February,
let's
go
to
public
comments.
Is
there
anyone
here
for
public
comments
this
evening.
D
Ballard
Gettys
Jr
I
live
at
802
Georgia
Avenue
in
Palm
Harbor
down
the
street
last
month
and
a
few
previous
months
back,
there
was
an
agenda
item
regarding
a
small
residential
development
proposal
that
was
located
on
the
North
End
of
Lake
Tarpon
off
of
Keystone
Road,
the
the
property
in
question
I
looked
at
it
on
a
a
Google
Map
Quest
on
the
computer
and
I
noticed
on
the
North
End
and
on
the
south
end
of
the
property
in
question.
D
There
were
significant
easements
on
on
the
property
and
I
also
noticed
that
the
the
attorneys
that
were
wanting
to
develop
this
property
I
see
them
frequently
at
other
board
meetings:
Tampa
Bay
water,
for
instance,
at
their
monthly
meeting
and
so
forth.
I
question
that
possibility
that
these
attorneys
of
such
may
have
a
bifurcated
intent
for
this
piece
of
property
in
that
appearing
initially
to
want
to
put
in
I
think
it
was
50
residential
homes,
small
lot
sizes
and
so
forth,
but
reserve
a
quadrant
of
that
property
on
the
northwest
corner
on
the
adjacent
to
easement.
D
I
I
feel
as
though
based
on
the
fact
that
these
attorneys
frequent
water
board
meetings
that
they're
after
the
water
underneath
this
property,
and
they
haven't
fully
disclosed
that
and
I
feel
as
though
these
men
are
in
contempt
of
their
ultimate
purpose
for
this
property
I
think
they
intend
on
establishing
a
Well
Point.
Thank
you,
sir.
F
Sir
and
the
Commissioners
Robert
rockline
755
North
Lake
Boulevard
in
Tarpon
Springs
first,
let
me
say:
Happy
New
Year
to
all
of
you.
I
wish
you
and
your
families
both
happiness
and
health
and
want
to
thank
you
again
for
your
service
to
our
city.
I
know
it
taxes,
both
you
and
your
families.
F
Speaking
in
regards
to
one
of
the
the
hearings
tonight,
number
16,
but
not
specifically
about
that.
Just
the
prohibrio
effective
development
in
the
area,
the
venue
along
melon
Street
between
North,
Jasmine
and
Keystone,
is
you
know
it's
still
creaking
up
in
volume
of
traffic,
almost
on
a
weekly
basis.
I
waited
tonight
for
about
12
cars
to
turn
at
the
stop
sign
before
I
could
continue.
South
on
North
Jasmine
I
had
asked
the
previous
board
I
believe,
probably
close
to
a
year
ago.
F
If
the
city
would
consider
repainting
the
double
yellow
lines
that
are
on
melon
from
back
and
forth,
because
there
is
a
Crest
that
defeats
the
sight
line
there.
There
is
a
curve,
and
with
this
development
going
forward
the
North
Lake
Platte,
it
had
some
some
increase
of
commercial
traffic
and
that
for
that,
but
now
it's
gonna
ramp
up
I'm
sure
there's
a
little
Vestige
of
a
double
yellow
line
closer
to
Keystone,
the
the
Eastern
Edge
I.
F
Don't
know
if
that
was
done
by
the
county
or
or
somebody
else
and,
of
course,
there's
double
line
on
North
Jasmine
going
up
and
down,
but
that's
kind
of
eroding
little
by
little
and
I
know
this
plans
for
sidewalk
and
other
you
know
real
Rehabilitation
there,
but
that
double
yellow
line
on
melon
before
something
worse
happens
because
I've
seen
people
adapt
and
correct
themselves
when
something
was
coming.
F
The
other
way
and
I
was
party
to
that
a
couple
of
times,
but
as
the
some
cement
trucks
and
the
the
lumber
deliveries
and
everything
else
come
it's
it's
likely
to
go
up.
So,
even
if
it's
just
a
you
know
a
simple
line,
if
you
get
a
a
foul
ball
sprayer
or
something
like
that,
but
if
somebody
from
public
works
could
just
take
a
look
at
it
and
and
give
their
professional
opinion
and
be
appreciated.
G
Mr
Ken
Burke
is
somehow
conveniently
forgotten
that
and
he
sent
a
status
report
to
the
court
to
the
second
DCA
stating
that
he's
not
going
to
file
anything
for
Mr
Coulson
until
he
pays
his
court
fee
which
he
doesn't
have
to
pay
now.
This
is
the
same
case
the
same
case
that
he
was
issued,
this
Indigent
status.
G
G
G
G
That
ain't
normal
something
odd
is
happening
so
I
just
wanted
to
make
you
fully
aware.
You
might
want
to
take
a
look
at
that
or
speak
to
your
attorney
about
it,
but
it
will
be
resolved,
but
it's
going
to
take
even
longer
now
so
they're
just
dragging
out
this
case
that
they
want
to
get
over
so
fast.
They
can
barely
stand.
H
I
Don't
think,
there's
any
harm
in
coming
up
with
the
random
strange
ideas
that
I
do
I've
been
thinking
a
lot
about
the
industrial
uses
that
are
scattered
amongst
downtown
and
how
a
really
interfere
with
anything
being
walkable
and
how
we
could
like
wait
until
it
becomes
con,
convenient
or
profitable
for
whoever
the
landowner
is
to
convert
that
to
like
actual
usable,
Marketplace
or
literally
anything,
and
that's
not
like
large
blight
in
the
middle
of
our
grid.
We
have
an
light
industrial
and
Industrial
land
that
isn't
occupied
I
I.
I
Don't
understand
why
we
can't
like
not
eminent
domain
but
really
like
a
you
need
to
move
to
this
other
part
of
the
city
to
continue
doing
what
you're
doing
but
like
this.
This
is
not
an
appropriate
use
for
the
space
where
it
is
people
are,
people
are
driving
too
fast
down.
The
street
Martin
Luther
King
in
Alt
19
should
have
raised
crosswalks.
All
of
the
sidewalks
need
to
be
leveled
out.
I
I
I
think
they're
really
beautiful
with
the
bricks,
but
it
doesn't
make
sense
it's
not
accessible
for
one,
but
it
doesn't
make
sense
for
a
sidewalk
to
basically
be
an
undulating
thing
that
allows
cars
cuts
and
cuts
into
every
single
entrance.
There
has
to
be
some
kind
of
cohesion
or
separation
of
car
paths
from
pedestrian
pass,
where
they
don't
have
to
run
so
concurrently
and
they
don't
have
to
use
the
same
space.
I
Cars
don't
need
to
be
able
to
turn
into
every
single
lot.
They
can
go
back
through
Alleyways
and
be
directed
instead
of
having
to
be
able
to
cut
in
front
of
people
using
the
sidewalk.
All
of
the
time
I
went
to
Epiphany
for
the
first
time
this
year
and
I
thought
it
was
very
beautiful
and
I
really
was
stuck
on.
The
fact
that
Tarpon
Springs
is
stuck
to
me.
I
grew
up
here
and
I.
I
I
I
really
hope.
We
can
imagine
a
future
together
where
we
have
shared
responsibility
of
the
upkeep
of
our
public
spaces
and
the
city
like
as
a
functioning
mechanism
that
goes
beyond
just
the
Commerce,
the
different
commercial
people
and
whoever
the
underground
network
is
but
peop.
We
people
can
be
here
and
live
here
and
it's
worth
caring.
A
J
Peter
lack
is
514,
Ashland
Avenue
and
some
interesting
words.
There.
K
J
I
heard
because
it
was
part
of
my
theme
also
tonight
hope
hope
for
a
good
year
ahead.
I
do
want
to
say
thank
you
to
all
the
city
staff
and
all
of
you
guys
and
ladies
everybody,
who's
been
involved,
but
the
boat
parade
and
the
snowflakes
in
heaven,
Park
and
The
Epiphany.
Everything
seemed
to
flow
so
nice
and
it
was
beautiful.
My
only
thing,
and
it's
not
with
you
guys,
it'll
be
with
the
Greek
churches.
What's
with
the
food
trucks
and
nobody
cooking
Greek
food,
no
musaka,
no
busty!
So
no!
No
souvlakis!
Okay!
That's
that's!
J
J
J
J
I've
been
looking
online,
the
clerk's
website
we've
been
looking
and
looking
and
looking
and
behold
last
night
bingo
there.
It
is
the
order
denying
filed
on
January
9th
but
executed
on
December
29th,
so
nine
and
let's
see
the
29th,
so
you
had
30
31
and
9
11
take
out
a
holiday
10
days.
Why
so
late
for
the
public
to
know
and
I?
J
Don't
know
what
the
time
frame
on
any
aspect
of
appeal
for
you,
whether
it's
a
15
day
or
a
30
day,
but
it
sure
Cuts
you
off
just
like
it
cut
us
off
when
they
slammed
our
appeal
and
they
gave
us
a
re-hearing,
but
we
had
to
do
it
in
15
days
and
they
executed
it
the
day
before
Thanksgiving
and
we
lost
five
days
minimum
before
anything
could
be
done.
The
following
Monday
so
I
have
suspicion
about
how
the
way
this
court
has
been
doing
things.
It
says
it
was
done
in
Chambers.
J
J
J
So
they'll
just
pass
to
another
court
for
another
Court
to
say
they
got
it
wrong
and
we
are
filing
our
appeal
with
the
second
district
has
to
be
in
by
I
believe
the
day
after
Martin
Luther
the
17th.
But
we
will
have
it
in
in
time
and
I
would
ask
that
y'all
consider
filing
your
stay
subsequent
with
ours
such
that
the
court
gets
notice
of
your
intentions
on
that
regard.
J
Otherwise
they
won't
know
about
it.
And
you
know
what
goes.
A
I
we've
got
a
an
agenda
item
with
the
agreement
for
litigation
attorney
services
and
I
was
going
to
ask
Mr
Salzman
at
that
time
to
give
us
a
snapshot
of
where
we
are
and
I'll
bring
this
this
question
up
as
well.
So
thank
you,
Mr
delacas.
B
B
This
is
from
Tom
coolian
is
1250
South,
Pinellas,
Avenue
mayor
commissioner
staff
good
evening
a
couple
of
months
ago,
during
the
meeting
when
commissioner
Eisner
was
reading
emails,
that
indicated
staff
had
been
working
with
certain
individuals
on
projects
without
public
knowledge.
For
a
few
years,
I
was
reminded
of
how
things
had
been
done
in
the
past.
This
caused
me
to
speak
out
to
reflect
my
feelings
of
vindication,
also
feeling
Vindicated,
as
my
service
as
mayor
35
years
ago,
had
been
a
subject
of
certain
former
elected
officials
at
commission
meetings
during
most
of
2022.
B
speaking
out
and
feeling
of
vindication
for
all
these
months
of
negative
comments.
I
mentioned
something
that
had
occurred
over
40
years
ago
about
Mr
John
tarapani
after
time
to
reflect
over
my
comments.
I
feel
that
I
was
doing
too
Mr
tarapani
the
same
thing
or
the
same
type
of
thing.
That
was
being
done
to
me
that
I
felt
was
wrong.
Thus
this
made
my
comments
hypocritical,
for
that
I
would
like
to
apologize
to
Mr
tarapani
on
the
record.
B
L
A
Okay,
that
is
public
comments.
Let's
go
to
the
consent
agenda,
I'm
going
to
read
through
these
item.
One
is
attorney's
fees,
person,
Cohen,
Mooney,
Fernandez
and
Jackson
invoices,
2905
and
30
34.
number
two
special
events:
a
Sunset
Beach
concert
series,
B
fenders
for
First
Responders,
see
movies.
In
the
park
number
three
is
award
file
number
230061,
which
is
a
single
Source
purchase
of
2022
Chevy
Silverado
flatbed
number
four
is
a
that's
a
truck
by
the
way.
A
22001-Q-Jl
maintenance
of
public
restrooms
at
the
sponge
Exchange
number
six
is
award
file,
230085
single
Source,
purchase
of
public
records,
technician,
services
number
seven
is
award
file,
230088
single
Source,
purchase
of
caterpillar
original
equipment,
manufacturer
parts
and
services
item
eight
is
increased
file
number
220067
jingle
Source
purchase
of
single
Source
purchase
of
Mental
Health
Services
resources.
M
A
J
Wax
514
Ashland
Avenue
from
what
I
read
about
in
the
backup
you're
needing
to
get
a
records
technician
because
of
so
many
records
requests
come
in
big
ones
and
we
know
about
the
ones
that
Loeb
and
them
have
filed
from
you
know,
and
all
so
and
I
just
want
to
point
out.
J
I
have
no
problem
with
doing
this
because
it's
needed,
but
cha-ching
cha-ching
cha-ching
when
y'all
were
talking
about
a
proven
Carlton
Fields
in
the
160
000
y'all
talk
about
later
y'all
had
said:
oh
well,
the
mayor
said
for
what
we've
spent
already
to
get
this
behind
us
and
at
one
point
I
think
you
quoted
over
a
million
a
million
and
a
half
dollars
in
staff
and
other
expenses
legal
expenses,
all
this
stuff
now
another
forty
five
thousand
dollars
all
because
a
previous
board
had
personal
interests.
Thank
you.
A
M
Yeah
I
have
a
go
ahead.
A
comment
on
actually
item
two
B
is
that
allowed.
M
Go
ahead
in
looking
into
it,
I
think,
there's
a
regulation,
and
please
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
that,
whichever
5013c
that
we
deal
with
in
a
charity
capacity
needs
to
be
registered
within
the
city
of
Tarpon
Springs.
Yes,
since
the
501
3C
in
this
particular
case
that
we're
dealing
with
is
the
Rotary
Club
does
that
as
far
as
I
knew
the
Rotary
Club
was
was
formed
in
Palm
Harbor,
but
I'm
I'm,
not
exactly
sure.
A
It's
been
around
for
a
very
long
time
this
one
anyway,
so
are
there
any
other
comments?
We
have
a
motion
in
a
second
comments
are
out
of
the
way
roll
call.
Please.
O
O
A
B
A
Item
three
commissioner
Eisner
thank.
P
You
mayor
I,
had
this
conversation
with
the
city
manager
on
Monday.
We
just
keep
purchasing
Vehicles
one
after
the
other.
I,
don't
have
an
issue
with
purchasing
the
vehicle.
If
we
really
need
it,
but
we
don't
really
get
a
good
explanation
of
of.
P
Is
there
another
vehicle
that
can
handle
this
in
this
presentation
there
was
no.
There
was
no
year
of
what
the
the
vehicle
we
were
replacing
I
later
had
a
found
find
out.
It
was
an
o4.
P
If
these
vehicles
don't
have
any
way
of
being
repaired,
what
resale
value
do
they
have?
So
one
of
the
things
that
I
was
bringing
up
that
we
spoke
about
and
that's
what
I
wanted
to
share
with
the
board
is
possibly
looking
into
Leasing
and
not
holding
these
vehicles
until
they're
worthless.
P
Because
in
the
next
discussion,
which
is
going
to
be
for
each
of
these
vehicles,
we
have
to
service
and
we're
authorizing
thirty
thousand.
And
then
we
have
Janine
coming
before
us
and
saying
it's
45
000
and
then
it's
60
000
and
then
it's
eighty
thousand,
and
this
has
been
my
pet
peeve-
that
we
are
getting
so
involved
in
not
only
buying
the
vehicles
but
servicing
the
vehicles.
That
I
said
at
the
next
budget
meeting
for
next
year.
I
know:
there's
very
little.
P
I
could
do
at
this
point,
but
I
need
to
keep
I'm
going
to
keep
bringing
this
up
every
single
time.
We
go
through
this
because
we're
spending
a
just
great
deal
of
money
and
I
don't
know
if
it's
the
wisest
way
to
do
it.
So
that's
my
big
thing:
I
I
know
we
need
a
flat
bed
to
move
equipment
around,
but
I
would
really
like
to
know
if
and
if
there
are
any
other
ways
to
handle
this.
P
The
other
thing
I
asked
for
was
a
write-up
to
know
all
of
the
vehicles,
not
on
a
daily
basis.
I,
don't
want
to
know
that
the
water
truck
has
gone
out,
blah
blah
blah,
but
these
trucks
that
we
have
sitting
idle
doing
nothing
and
we
may
be
using
it
once
or
twice
or
three
times
a
year
and
we're
just
maintaining
it
we're
buying
it
we're
maintaining
it
for
that
rainy
day
that
we
might
need
it.
P
I
need
a
breakdown
and
I
asked
for
this,
so
it
will
be
coming
before
us
to
have
a
full
breakdown
of
of
all
of
the
vehicles
that
are
just
sitting
idle
somewhere
in
town
and
how
much
use
we're
getting
out
of
it,
not
how
much
mileage,
but
how
much
use
we're
getting
out
of
it.
So
I
just
keep
seeing
this
I,
don't
know
if
it
bothers
everybody
else,
but
it's
bothering
me
I
see
just
a
great
deal
of
money
being
wasted.
So
that's.
E
E
A
Not
against
this,
no!
No!
No!
Let
me
let
me
finish.
I've
got
something
to
say,
but
I
want
to
hear
from
the
other
Commissioners
first.
Actually,
let's
go
to
public.
That's
the
way,
you're
doing
it.
Public
comments
on
any
on
this
item
at
all,.
A
Mr
jumper
there
any
public
comments
on
this
item.
I
should
have
asked
for
public
comments
on
the
rest
of
the
agenda
items,
but
I
did
not,
but
is
there
anything
on
this
one.
M
M
M
We
shouldn't
have
had
that
vehicle
in
our
in
our
Fleet
for
for
anywhere
near
that
long,
so
I
I
tend
to
agree
with
Mr
Roger,
both
on
on
looking
at
different
ways
to
manage
our
Fleet
and
also
when
we
do
things
like
this
more
information
being
provided
than
we
just
need
to
replace
this
particular
vehicle,
not
its
year,
its
mileage,
the
catch-all
phrase
and
parts
aren't
available,
just
not
satisfactory
to
me.
That
sort
of
thing
that's.
R
R
Sure
I'll
make
a
comment:
I
mean
this
is
the
same
request
that
we've
been
asking
for
years.
So,
let's
give
you
a
heads
up
on
that.
K
E
O
It
seems
to
be
a
request.
That's
needed,
I
mean
we'll
see
that
the
funding
is
coming
from
roads
and
streets,
and
couple
months
you
know
a
couple
months
closer
to
the
end
of
the
budget.
If
you
know
Rosen
streets
is
short
certain
amount
of
money,
we'll
understand
why
it's
a
request,
that's
needed,
so
I
understand
that
the
vehicle
is
old
as
well.
K
A
Well,
I
I
think
that's
a
good
idea.
I
mean
every
every
couple
of
years.
A
We
go
through
this
honestly
I
I
asked
about
it
as
a
commissioner
and
I
was
provided
the
asked
for
the
list
of
vehicles
that
we
had
and
then
how
many
we
had
in
the
pool
the
service
pool
and
things
and,
and
that
was
readily
provided
and
the
philosophy
behind
that
I
know
Chief
Young's,
not
here
tonight,
but
police
vehicles
there's
a
long
history
of
that
they're
replaced
every
seven
years,
I
believe
and
every
seven
years
we
should
have
a
brand
new
Fleet.
A
We're
supposed
to
I
think
buy
seven
Cruisers,
there's
about
50
vehicles
in
our
Fleet
seven
Cruisers
per
year
to
keep
up
with
that
replacement,
because
that's
that
break,
even
as
far
as
the
cost
of
Maintenance
versus
a
new
one
but
I
I
think
that
we
should
get
a
report
for
not
just
us
for
for
the
benefit
of
the
residents,
because
I
know
that's
one
of
the
more
common
observations
that
you
hear
is
all
these
new
trucks
driving
around
town
and
things
like
that.
A
But
there's
a
reason
for
that
too,
and
and
I
understand
what
you're
saying
commissioner
Eisner
as
far
as
buying
a
truck,
and
it
just
basically
sitting
there
for
what
you
you
don't
know.
If
that's
the
case
or
you
don't
know,
if
that's
not
the
case
and
you'd
like
to
have
a
little
more
information,
so
I
I
think
that
you
go
ahead,
say
a
few
words
about
this.
N
No
I
I
just
want
to
say
I
I've
heard
you
over
the
nine
months.
This
has
been
a
board
and
working
we've
got
a
new
fleet
manager.
Not
new
he's
been
here
a
little
bit,
but
when
he
took
over,
he
had
a
lot
of
things
to
do
to
get
his
mechanic.
He
had
a
lot
of
things
to
do
before
he
could
get
to
some
of
these
things.
He
knows
he
knows
all
the
things
that
this
board
has
been
asking.
N
He
has
ideas
about
the
fleet
and
doing
a
lot
of
things
you're
talking
about
and
that
that's
something
he
is
getting
on
like
I'm
setting
up
with
commissioner
Eisner
I'd
be
glad
to
set
up
with
any
of
you
a
tour
with
our
new
fleetman
and
hear
his
great
ideas.
He
was
a
you
know.
N
He
came
from
within,
had
left
us
and
loved
it
here
and
came
back
when
the
fleet,
all
his
position
came
over,
had
a
lot
of
ideas
back
then
that
maybe
weren't
listened
to,
but
he
has
an
idea
of
a
lot
of
these
things.
You've
talked
about
were
beginning
on
him,
and
he
knows
that
we
have
to
have
him
ready
for
this
upcoming
budget.
N
That's
coming
because
this
this
board
has
made
that
and
if
any
of
you
I'm
already
set
up
for
commissioner
Eisner
we're
going
to
work
on
a
date
to
do
that
and
walk
through,
but
you
will
be
seeing
differences
on
him.
Almost
everything
you
mentioned.
He
is
going
to
work,
work
on
a
plan
and
reports
and
have
availability
of
all
the
information
you're
asking
for
so
we've
heard
you
and
we
have
got
the
guy
in
that
position.
N
Mr
veccioni
that'll
be
able
to
carry
it
out
and
get
you
all
that
you
want
to
see
for
these
vehicles
and
what
you're
going
to
want
to
see
before
we
get
anything
approved
in
the
budget.
They
know
what
what
you're
going
to
want
to
see?
What
reports
and
those
things
and
to
go
back
in
the
past
times
and
see
what
vehicles
shouldn't
be
here
shouldn't
in
a
plan
of
how
we
got
to
purchase
these
vehicles
and
what
plan
do
we
use?
Can
we
go
back?
N
A
N
A
The
other
hand,
I
I,
think
vice
mayor
Luntz
got
a
good
point
is
maybe
because
I
was
wondering
about
the
mileage
as
well.
How
much?
How
many
miles
do
we
have
on
these
vehicles
and
things
like
that
when
we
we
were
asking
for
something?
Some
of
them
are
mentioning
what
the
replacement
vehicle
is,
some
of
them
don't
say
what
they're
being
replacing,
but
it
would
be
nice
to
know
what
the
replacement
vehicle
is
and
how
much
mileage
that
one
has
on
it
for
buying
a
new
one.
A
A
E
B
B
P
This
is
just
added
to
what
three
was
we're:
changing
and
adding
another
eight
or
nine
thousand
dollars.
This
seems
to
go
on
at
each
and
every
meeting
I
want
to
just
investigate
whether
we
should
have
maintenance
agreements
within
the
lease,
so
I
see
the
vehicles
over
at
Furman.
Chevrolet
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
getting
a
bang
for
our
buck.
This,
when
you
add
this,
along
with
the
cost
of
these
60
70
and
80
000
vehicles,
it's
raiding
on
my
nerves.
That's
all
I
want
to
say
so.
E
P
Want
to
see
if
it's
worthwhile
to
do
it
this
way.
If
it
is
fine,
if
it's
not,
we
should
be
leasing.
You
know,
I
was
just
driving
today
out
on
19
and
there
was
a
Mason
truck
and
it's
at
least
by
Ryder.
There's
leasing,
agreements
Galore
and
they
may
be
beneficial
I,
don't
know
where
we
hold
it
three
years
or
four
years
and
flip
them.
P
You
know
they're
nowhere
near
the
cost
of
ownership
and
taking
depreciation
and
then
going
and
selling
it
at
a
you
know:
public
auction
for
dirt
cheap
and
we
get
nothing
out
of
it.
So
that's.
M
Yeah
I,
the
only
thing
auditioned
before
that
I
noticed,
was
pretty
much
the
same
verbiage
in
in
the
justification
I
because
of
this
particular
one
was
curious
as
to
what
specific
repairs
our
Fleet
couldn't
do.
I
noticed
there
were
some
really
minor
ones
on
there
and
I'm
going
like
so.
M
In
my
mind,
it
brought
up
more
what
are
the
capabilities,
our
Fleet
Department
as
far
as
repair
you
know,
and
and
were
increasingly
buying
OEM
services
from
a
dealer,
rather
than
repairing
it
in-house,
which
is
why
we
have
Fleet
Maintenance
in
the
first
place,
I
just
I'd,
like
more
information
when
this
kind
of
stuff
happens
as
to
what
repairs
those
literally
are
and
why
we
can't
do
them,
and
should
we
be
taking
steps
to
be
able
to
do
this
kind
of
repair.
N
A
A
The
advantages
of
a
leasing
vehicle
could
be
accommodated
at
the
fleet
location
where
this
this
repair
Works
being
done
and
and
then
and
then
at
the
proper
time.
We'd
have
a
little
more
information.
As
far
as
the
presentation,
the
philosophy
behind
him,
or
even
commissioner
Eisner
I.
P
Wanted
to
dovetail
off
of
what
vice
mayor
said,
some
of
these
invoices
and
just
by
Price
1353
dollars
a
hundred
dollars.
Seventy
nine
dollars,
forty
nine
dollars,
twelve
hundred
thirteen
dollars.
These
can't
be
very
difficult
type
repairs,
so
they
should
be
done
in-house
I.
Think
I
mean
it
doesn't
total
up
to
a
lot,
but
these
are
stuff
that
we
should
be
able
to
do
in-house.
A
You
know
get
those
answers
for
you.
Is
there
a
motion
in
a
second
you're
not
objecting
to
this
side?
No
I'm,
not
okay.
Is
there
a
motion
in
a
second
to
decide
them
motion
to
approve.
R
A
It's
item
four
increase
file:
two:
two:
zero
zero:
two
seven
Dash
in
dash
am
single
Source,
purchase
of
Chevrolet,
GM,
original
equipment,
manufacturer
Parts
and
Services.
There's
a
motion
and
a
second
roll
call.
Please.
B
B
M
Okay,
so
there
is
a
a
recommendation
within
this
that
says:
we
need
to
decide
on
whether
or
not
to
prove
another
year
of
funding
this
or
condition
the
funding
on
Renovations
of
the
bathrooms.
I
I
haven't
had
the
time
to
go
down
and
personally
inspect
them,
but
just
going
by
the
photos,
there's
there's
no
way
that
I
want
to
continue
paying
for
that.
M
It
needs
to
be
renovated,
they're
in
visibly
deplorable
condition,
and
if
this
is
representative
of
you
know
what
the
city
wants
to
maintain,
I
I,
don't
think
it's
up
to
Snuff.
So
so
that's
my
only
comment.
We
need
to
make
it
conditional
on
on
these
being
renovated.
N
Yeah,
let
me
let
me
bring
Tom
up
because
he's
been
working
over
the
years
and
especially
with
this
issue
of
the
the
renovation
issue
and
what's
been
going
on
with
them
and
and
and
why
we
say
we
need
to
put
something
in
here
to
make
sure
they
uphold
what
they
have
told
us
and
I
know.
They've
recently,
in
the
past
two
weeks
had
about
a
four
thousand
dollar
problem
that
they've
been
working
on
to
do
before
they
can
do
the
renovation
and
stuff.
So
why
don't
you
update
on
this
year?
N
We
usually
come
up
with
some
kind
of
issue
with
this
thing
every
year,
but
bringing
the
discussions
and
what
and
and
what
the
recommendation
is
to
put
in
there
about
seeing
a
change
within
a
certain
amount
of
time
or
possibly
revisiting
this
before
the
board.
Sure.
S
Yeah
yeah
I've
been
dealing
with
this
quite
a
few
years
now,
yeah
I
spoke
to
the
new
owners
that
we
all
know
they
come
in
last
year
and
I
want
to
presented
about
update.
Renewing
this
over
here,
I
did
bring
the
up
the
the
issue
of
the
condition
of
the
restrooms
they've
been
clean,
but
they're.
S
A
Let
me
just
say
something:
the
this
is
we're
talking
about
the
sponge
exchange.
Now,
yes,
sir
okay
I
want
to
just
clarify
that
the
the
family
that
owns
this
had
it
for
about
a
one
one
year
period,
And
I
know
they
put
tremendous
amount
of
effort
into
making
repairs
that
I
would
consider
more
of
safety
issues
and
significant
material
degradation.
They've
corrected
that
a
new
deck
they've
worked
on
their
sponge
boat,
some
other
concrete
work,
steel
work
and
they're
continuing
on
this
I
and
I
know
that
this
is
something
that
is
there.
A
I
think
you
said
it's
clean,
but
it's
it's
it's
a
need
of
upgrading,
definitely
right,
definitely
and
I,
I
and
I.
Think
you're,
suggesting
I
think
you
mentioned
that
they're
going
to
be
starting
at
least
on
some
of
this
beginning
in.
S
A
Yeah
I
mean
the
one
thing
I
would
like
to
do
is
give
them
an
opportunity
to
make
some
improvements
before
we
become
I,
don't
want
to
say
critical,
but
of
the
condition
there.
I
just
I
know
that
there
are
trying
to
make
some
improvements
and
and
I
it
wasn't
an
inexpensive
piece
of
property
to
purchase
and
and
I
think
they've
done
a
lot
of
nice
things
down
there.
So
far,
so
I'd.
N
Like
to
give
them
enough
yeah
kind
of
the
rationale
about
a
reevaluation
in
six
months
to
make
it
then
again
they've
got
a
serious
problem
with
the
pipes
underneath
that
I
know,
they've
had
I
think
people
out
there
three
times
in
the
past
two
or
three
weeks
until
they
get
that
piping
and
clogging
if
they
put
in
new
stuff
right
now
before
they
get
that
problem
solved
and
fixed.
Obviously,
all
the
news
you
know,
because
there
could
be
a
design,
you
can't
do
it
until
you
fix
underground
and
there's
Plumbing
rules.
N
We
verified
the
the
times
that
they've
been
out
there,
trying
to
find
out
what
in
the
ground
and
until
the
so
why
we
said
the
six
months
as
opposed
to
three
they've,
got
to
get
a
handle
on
that
and
they're
working
on
it
presently
in
January,
I,
don't
think
they're
quite
here,
so
as
opposed
to
the
three.
Why
the
six
again
they
can't
start
renovating
that
thing
until
they
get
whatever
the
clock
is
because
an
eruption
will
destroy
everything
they've
done,
but
but
there
needs
to
be.
N
They
need
to
know
that
you
know
we're
looking
at
we're
going
to
come
back
and
evaluate
weight
that
if
we
don't
see
the
proper
thing
to
put
the
taxpayers
money
in
then
we'll
review
it.
But
that's
why,
in
the
recommendation,
we
recommend
and
approve
of
the
reevaluation
in
the
sixth
month
to
see
that
they've
met
what
what
they've
admitted
in
writing
to
us,
that
they're
going
to
work
on
and
do.
But
there
are
circumstances
not
why
they
can't
why
they
haven't
been
able
to
get
started
in
December
and
early
January
on
this
process.
Okay,.
A
J
J
It
is
dependent
on
them
fulfilling
what
they're
saying
to
do,
but
in
the
meantime,
not
constricting
them
in
the
funds
they
would
receive.
So
maybe
in
set.
What
is
a
7
500
by
12
was.
K
J
A
quarter
say
again,
six
and
a
quarter
all
right.
So,
instead
of
six
and
a
quarter
each
month,
you
give
them
half
once
they
fulfill
their
obligation.
You
give
them
all
the
back
money
you've
held
up,
and
then
you
keep
moving
on
forward
with
their
regular
payments.
So
again,
I'm
not
questioning
their
honesty
or
trustworthiness,
but
you
have
to
look
at
it
as
this
is
a
contract
and
you
want
to
make
sure
your
concerns
are
fully
protected.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
Okay
and
I'd
already
checked
with
Ms
Jacobs.
Before
the
only
write-in
comment
we
had
was
the
one
for
public
records.
So
let's
go
back
to
the
commission.
Commissioner
Carr,
do
you
have
any
comments.
R
I
know,
there's
some
update
that
were
done
a
few
years
ago
and
obviously
the
updates
weren't
that
great,
because
they
looked
a
lot
better
A
few
years
ago,
I
remember
so
I'm
happy
to
hear
that
the
the
property
owner
is
willing
to
work
with
the
city
on
upgrades
I've
seen
other
upgrades
at
the
sponge
exchange
I've
seen
some
new
tiles
go
down
the
floor
where
you
walk
in
the
public
areas,
so
it
does
seem
like
there's
money
being
invested
here.
Some
happy
to
support
this
tonight,
good.
P
You
Mayo
I
agreed
with
everything
vice
mayor
blunt
said,
but
this
is
not
something
that
can
be
done
with
just
tiles.
I
just
got
to
tell
you.
There
was
not
one
thing
that
I
looked
at
in
the
pictures
that
looked
like
they're
salvageable,
not
the
partitions,
not
the
toilets,
nothing.
These
need
to
be
fully
gutted
and
redone.
I
understand
I,
have
no
issues
waiting
to
get
structure
done
before
you
put
the
amenities
on
it.
I'm.
Okay,
with
that,
but
my
big
question
and
I
had
this
conversation
with
the
city
manager.
P
What
are
we
paying
for
this
7
500
and
625
per
month?
Is
that
for
the
paper
goods?
Is
that
for
cleaning?
Is
that
for
any
repairs
that
go?
None
of
this
gives
me
an
explanation
of
what
this
actually
goes
towards,
so
it's
like.
If
we're
paying
for
paper
goods
I
may
not
have
anything
to
say:
okay
you're
going
to
supply
paper
goods,
then
we're
paying
too
much
if
it's
going
towards
cleaning
I
have
no
schedule
of
when
they
even
do
a
cleaning.
So
I
don't
know
how
to
gauge
that.
P
So
there
was
a
lot
of
missing
information
for
me
to
make
a
decision.
I'll
go
along
with
it
for
a
six-month
thing.
I
know
there.
They
have
issues
there
and
I
know
they
only
own
it
for
a
year,
but
I
need
it's
embarrassing.
I'll
just
be
honest
with
you,
I
I
said
it
to
the
city
manager.
I
wouldn't
use
this
bathroom,
that's
how
bad
it
looks
so.
O
O
I
have
a
couple.
Questions
regarding
you
know,
are
we
and
I
would
be
interested
in
doing
some
type
of
good
faith
and
paying
what
the
amount
is
for
six
months,
and
we
don't
see
some
type
of
you
know.
Good
renovation
maybe
stop
in
the
payments,
but
this
is
probably
a
regional
bathroom
for
what
40
50
years
and
I
do
have
a
you
know,
question
once
renovation
does
start
I
mean
we're
basically
paying
an
upkeep,
a
bathroom
that
needs
to
be
renovated
during
the
same
process.
O
So
I'd
like
to
see
some
type
of
you
know
good
faith
on
both
sides
of
the
city,
as
well
as
the
property
owner
six
months
in.
We
don't
see
some
type
of
significant
changes,
maybe
stopping
the
agreement
because
we
do
need
the
the
bathroom,
for
you
know
regular
visitors
in
town,
but
just
want
to
make
sure
we
both
hold
our
ends
of
the
deal.
A
Let
me
just
offer
a
little
backup
and
maybe
answer
a
couple
of
questions.
First
of
all,
what
are
we
paying
for?
What
we're
paying
for
is
the
right
to
allow
the
public
to
use
the
bathroom
period.
Doesn't
matter
paper,
goods
upkeep,
nothing.
If
the
owner
of
the
sponge
exchange
says
I,
don't
want
the
public
using
this
bathroom.
That's
the
end
of
the
story,
that's
what
the
625
dollars
a
month
are
was
it?
Was
it
come
out
seven
thousand
dollars
a
year?
What
was
the
amount
for
on
a
year
when
I
was
city
manager?
A
That
amount
was
nine
thousand
dollars
wow
25
years
ago,
was
nine
thousand
dollars
for
the
exact
same
amount,
and
it
got
almost
to
the
point
where
and
it
was
not
the
the
the
ones
that
had
owned
it
that
just
sold
it
but
a
generation
prior
to
that,
and
we
used
to
joust
a
bit
and
I
actually
offered
that
the
city
would
maintain
it
if
we
were
given
nine
thousand
dollars
a
year
by
the
owner
and,
of
course,
that
didn't
work
out,
so
we
continued
paying
to
help
upkeep
and
that
literally,
it
was
the
right
for
the
public
to
use
the
bathroom
and
also
was
before
the
bathrooms
were
in
place
at
Hope
Street
we've
got
those
public
restrooms,
but
since
then,
there's
been
more
and
more
people
visiting
the
Sponge
Docks
I
mean
if
we
want
and
then
also
we
do
have
the
public
bathrooms
at
the
marina
as
well.
A
So
the
one
solution
is
to
long
term.
We
talk
about
parking
garages
and
things
like
that.
Long
term
would
be
to
plan
another
public
bathroom
down
there
somewhere.
Don't
ask
me
where,
but
somewhere
down
there
and,
and
that
would
be
the
one
solution.
The
the
other
part
of
this,
of
course,
is
that
long
long
time
ago,
before
you
see
the
exchange
in
its
current
condition,
it
was
owned
by
the
Tarpon
Springs
Sponge
exchange.
A
Association
I,
don't
know
the
correct
title
of
it,
but
the
bathrooms
were
not
in
the
back.
They
were
actually
on
DOTA,
canis
Boulevard
and
those
were
public
bathrooms.
Anybody
could
go
in
there.
There
was
for
the
sponge
boats,
sponge
divers
tourists,
it
didn't
matter,
they
went
in
there.
So
when
the
sponge
exchange
was
remodeled,
they
placed
those
bathrooms
in
the
back.
A
They
were
only
for
the
patrons
of
the
sponge
Exchange,
in
other
words,
the
stores
and
and
and
then
because
we
had
many
of
the
businesses
did
not
have
facilities
because
of
their
age,
including
Ada.
We
had
to
do
something
down
their
way,
even
preceded
me
as
city
manager,
so
I
I
know
everything
that
we're
talking
about
I.
It
doesn't
change
what
the
current
conditions
are
as
far
as
I'm
concerned,
I'm,
very
receptive
to
whatever
the
commission
wants.
A
All
I'm
asking
for
is
to
recognize
that
the
current
owners
have
only
had
about
a
year
and
they've
been
working
continuously
to
try
and
make
improvements
and
and
I'm
sure
this
is
on
their
list
somewhere.
I
can't
tell
you
where
it
is:
I
haven't
spoken
to
the
owners
at
all,
but
but
we
do
need
bathrooms
down
there
for
the
public
and
and
that's
what
the
625
dollars
does
it
just
allows
us
to
have
the
public
use
that
bathroom?
That's
it.
So
are
there
any
other
comments.
K
M
Mean
I
understand
that
you
know
that
the
kokinos
have
already
had
the
sponges
change
for
about
a
year
and
that
the
bathrooms
obviously
we're
in
great
condition
when
they
bought
the
property.
To
begin
with,
I
understand
that
we're
paying
you
know
whatever
it
is
625
dollars
a
month
or
whatever,
so
that
the
public
can
use
those
bathrooms.
M
The
point
is
that
the
bathrooms
right
now
are
presenting
a
not
great
look
for
the
city
of
Tarpon
Springs,
never
mind
the
sponge
exchange,
but
these
are
where
our
tourists
go.
If
they're
in
the
sponge
exchange,
if
you're
in
that
area,
they
don't
always
walk
up
to
the
marina,
they
don't
always
walk
down
to
Hope
Street
they're
in
this
sponge
exchange.
They're
signs
this
is
the
bathrooms,
are
towards
the
rear,
etc,
etc.
So
my
concern
is
not
really
so
much
about
paying
them
to
share
in
the
maintenance
of
these
facilities.
M
It's
that
these
facilities
are
degraded
to
such
a
point
where
it's
starting
to
be
an
embarrassment
for
this
city
to
offer
them
and
I.
Think
I,
don't
really
care
about
the
money.
So
much
I
care
about
the
Aesthetics
that
this
presents
to
our
tourist,
trade
and
I
think
we
need
to
work
with
Nick
and
Patty
to
to
get
this
done
as
efficiently
and
effectively
as
possible,
not
eight
months
down
the
road
or
a
year
or
when
we
do
our
budgets
next
year.
I
want
to
hear
about.
Well,
we
have
plumbing
problems.
M
A
I,
don't
I
I
think
everybody
agrees
with
what
you're
saying:
there's
not
an
issue
there.
It's
just
there's
a
limit
of
what
we
can
do.
I
think
going
down
there
and
having
a
discussion
with
the
family
is
is
a
very
first
step
and
an
important
step,
and
that
should
be
done.
I,
I,
I,
don't
know
what
their
plans
are.
I,
don't
even
know.
If
they're
aware
of
that
we're
even
talking
about
this
item
tonight,
I,
don't
know
and
maybe
what
we
should
do.
A
If
let
me
does
this
expire
this
contract,
the
agreement
expires
this
week.
I
saw
that
it
expires.
January,
10th.
A
A
A
We'll
come
back
with
reevaluate
it
in
three
months,
I
think
is
and
then
whatever
we
have
I'm
sure.
N
A
Yes,
mayor
vet,
yes,
okay,
thank
you!
That
is
the
consent
agenda.
It's
7
28.
see
what
we've
got.
Our
rules
or
procedure
require
us
to
shift
over
to
ordinances
at
7,
30,
Sharp
ordinances
and
resolutions,
and
we've
got
six
of
those
this
evening.
A
I,
don't
think,
there's
anything
that
that
could
go
very
easily
within
a
within
one
minute.
Let's
just
hang
on
for
one
more
minute
and
then
we'll
just
shift
on
over
to
the
ordinances
and
and
resolutions.
A
A
T
Revising
the
provisions
for
public
art
juries,
revising
the
public
art
committee
procedures,
revising
member
removal,
revising
the
artist
selection
methods
and
criteria,
revising
the
bond
provisions
of
the
public
art
fund
and
revising
ownership
of
Works,
providing
for
severability,
providing
for
repeal
of
ordinances
or
parts
of
ordinances
in
Conflict
herewith,
providing
for
inclusion
in
the
code
of
ordinances
of
the
city
of
Tarpon,
Springs,
Florida
and
providing
for
the
effective
date
of
this
ordinance.
That
is
ordinance.
2023
01,
read
by
title.
Only
on
first
reading
second
reading
will
be
held
February
14,
2023.
N
Before
I,
introduce
it,
I
want
to
I
want
to
assure
all
you
that
this
was
a
very
in-depth,
thorough
process
that
was
gone
through
and
I
want
to
thank
Miss
Joan
Jennings
as
chairman
in
the
public
art
committee
for
working
with
us,
which
my
team
include
Diane
Woods,
Paul
Smith
was
active
role
he's
on
vacation
there.
He
would
have
been
here
tonight
because
he
was
a
very
active
role
representing
me
and
planning
in
Renee.
We've
worked
very
long
and
hard
and
thoroughly
and
has
many
things
over
to
bring
this
forward
to
you.
U
Thank
you.
This
is
ordinance
2023-01
of
an
order.
That's
amending
our
public
art
ordinance
as
a
city
manager
stated.
This
has
gone
through
several
workshops
and
reviews
quite
a
long
process
with
various
staff
and
the
public
art
committee.
U
U
Changes
to
the
the
maximum
visual
accessibility
to
to
accommodate
better
visual
accessibility
of
of
artwork
such
that
it
by
specifying
that
that
can't
be
located
on
public
rights.
The
way
that,
where
the
speed
zones
are
over
35
miles
per
hour,
there
were
amendments
to
the
standards
for
development
and
Redevelopment,
specifically
to
revise
the
review
criteria
for
the
developer,
proposed
art
and
then,
ultimately,
the
there
was
a
increase
in
the
you
have
two
options:
with
the
public
art
fee.
U
With
the
public
art
requirement,
you
can
either
build
an
actual
or
commission
an
actual
piece
of
art
as
part
of
a
project,
or
you
can
do
a
pay
in
lieu
into
the
public
art
Fund
in
the
past,
the
if
you
were
building
a
piece,
the
the
fee,
the
the
multiplier
was,
one
percent
of
the
total
construction
cost
had
to
be
set
aside
for
the
art.
If
you
did,
if
you
did
a
pay
in
lieu,
it
was
a
quarter
three
quarters
of
a
percent
to
pay.
U
So
it
was
more
efficient,
so
to
speak,
to
pay
that,
and
so
that
is
being
increased
from
the
three
quarters
of
one
percent
up
to
one
percent.
So
that's
a
very
high
overview
of
the
changes.
The
Planning
and
Zoning
Board
reviewed
this
at
their
last
meeting
and
did
recommend
approval.
There
were
two
conditions
that
they
recommended
or
revisions.
I
should
say.
U
The
first
was
that
any
landscape
art
which
that
let
Ms
Jennings
talk
more
about
that,
but
any
any
landscape
art
would
have
a
requirement
for
maintenance
of
that
Arc
to
run
with
the
land
through
a
covenant
for
maintenance
filed
in
the
public
records
and
that
the
ownership
of
the
artwork
we
looked
at
by
a
copyright
or
patent
attorney
to
determine
proper
language
to
be
included.
So
the
first
one
of
those,
the
landscape,
art.
U
The
maintenance
requirement
is
really
really
already
addressed
in
section
296,
there's
already
a
requirement
for
art
to
be
maintained,
and
it's
that's
provided
for
in
the
ordinance
as
it
is
now
so
I
don't
know
there
needs
to
be
specific
to
landscape
art,
but
that
was
a
recommendation
of
the
Planning
and
Zoning
Board.
So
with
that,
I
will
stop.
The
I
do
want
to
just
note
that
we
will
be
advertising
the
corrected
title
that
was
read
into
the
record
tonight
prior
to
Second.
U
A
A
Let's
go
to
public
well
Miss
Jennings
you're,
getting
up!
If,
if
there's
anyone
here
that
wishes
to
answer
what
we're
going
to
do,
Ms
Jennings
is
go
to
public
comments
and
then
the
commission
will
be
asking
questions.
We'll
have
a
motion
in
a
second
then
we'll
have
a
discussion
among
the
commission
and
then
we'll
make
the
the
vote
at
that
time.
So
are
there
any
public
comments?
Please.
D
Thank
you,
David
Ballard,
Gettys,
Jr,
Georgia
Avenue
in
Palm,
Harbor
I,
do
have
a
quick
question
more
of
a
concern
as
far
as
landscape
art
is
concerned,
I'm
not
quite
so
sure,
as
to
how
specific
that
is,
as
under
Section
296,
where
it
would
require
a
patent
attorney
and
I
heard
something
about
a
bond
Bond
necessity
on
on
such
such
landscape,
such
artwork
as
labeled
as
landscape
art,
not
quite
so
sure
that
I
fully
understand.
What's
taking.
What's
being
said,
Thank.
A
A
The
chump
are
there
any
public
comments,
remote
access.
R
I'm
not
sure
if
you
could
answer
this
one,
so
it
comes
down
to
the
excluding
so
maximum
visual
accessibility
to
pedestrian
or
local
vehicle
traffic,
excluding
highway
speed
zones
over
35
miles
per
hour
and
excluding
locations
or
roadways
leading
or
close
to
such
highways,
such
as
to
constitute
a
safety
hazard.
So
my
question
is:
if
there's
Redevelopment
on
US
19,
which
would
constitute
probably
anything
that
it's
gonna
be
a
requirement
with
Redevelopment
to
have
some
type
of
public
art
there.
You
then
lose
the
opportunity
to
have
public
art
in
that
area
of
the
city.
K
R
V
The
concern
was
along
the
highway
so
in
other
words,
actually
city
manager,
lacoras
brought
up
the
you
know
the
point
you
know
in
terms
of
police
strategy,
for
you
know
Public
Safety,
you
don't
want
people
that
are
doing
55
to
70
miles
an
hour
to
say.
Oh,
go,
look
at
that!
You
know.
So
it's
it's
actually
along
the
highway
and
it
is
a
it's
a
safety
issue.
R
I've
got
I
think
a
complete
different
approach
to
this
one.
So
if
you
have
a
piece
of
public
art,
that's
on
a
property
or
a
mural
of
some
sort
or
something
along
those
lines.
A
lot
of
properties
offset
obvious
19..
I
agree.
You
shouldn't
have
public
art
in
the
right-of-way
views
19..
But
if
you
have
a
piece
of
property
that
you're
redeveloping
in
USA
team,
it
would
be
great
to
have
a
piece
of
public
art
there
as
well
too.
So
there's
not
much
debate.
I.
R
V
R
So
then,
you're
you're
missing
the
opportunity
to
put
public
art
there.
That's
what
I'm
getting
at
with
that.
So
it
I
think
the
the
way
of
getting
there
would
be
to
putting
it
in
the
right-of-way
of
any
Highway.
That's
over
30
miles
35
miles
per
hour.
Is
there
going
to
be
flexibility
to
still
utilize
public
art
for
any
Redevelopment
along
US
19?
That's
set
off
the
road
and
I
think
that
would
do
a
lot
better
for
the
city
as
a
whole.
Well,.
V
R
R
U
Can
I
back
up
just
one
sec
just
to
just
to
have
a
full
discussion,
so
it
under
the
it
says,
artist,
selection
criteria,
and
it
says
the
following
criteria
at
a
minimum
shall
be
considered
by
the
public
art
Committee
in
the
selection
of
artwork.
And
then
you
have
this
list
and
that's
where
that
says:
maximum
visual
accessibility
to
pedestrian
or
local
traffic,
excluding
highway
speed
zones
over
35
miles
per
hour
and
excluding
locations
or
roadways
leading
or
close
to
such
highways
so
as
to
constitute
a
safety
hazard.
I
mean
I.
U
Think
that
I
think
that
gives
interpretive
ability
to
the
to
the
public
art
committee
to
say
in
a
situation
like
you're
talking
about,
if
it's
the
Public,
Shopping,
Center
or
whatever
is
redeveloping
and
there's
you
know
an
area,
that's
you
know
accessible
through
the
the
you
know
the
internal
Public
Access.
You
know
that
it's
you
know
such
that.
It's
really
not
going
to
be
a
visual.
You
know,
Hazard
driving
down
the
highway
or
someone's
going
to
catch
someone's
eye
I
think
they
have
the
ability,
the
way
it's
written
to
make
that
interpretation.
Renee.
R
I
appreciate
that,
but
I
think
it's
pretty
clear
here,
I
think
there's
an
opportunity
to
refine
it
a
little
bit
further,
so
that
the
future
boards
are
understand,
the
intent
of
the
public
art
committee
and
what
what
the
intent
is
from
staff
to
put
all
this
effort
behind
there.
So
I
just
don't
want
to
miss
the
intent
sure
for
an
opportunity
here
in
the
future.
Thank
you,
I'm
in
agreement
with
everything
else,
thanks.
Okay,.
E
Commissioner
Eichner
thank
you.
Ma'am.
P
There's
two
things
in
this:
that
I
have
a
little
bit
of
an
issue.
Does
it
State
anywhere
I
I
know
it
says
on
maintenance
for
down
the
road,
but
what
if
something
becomes
non-maintainable
where
it
just
is
destroyed
corroded?
P
Is
there
any
stipulation
in
there
who
pays
for
that?
Who
has
to
correct
that.
V
Well,
it's
written
into
our
the
public
art
committee
budget
to
have
the
maintenance
of
oily
artwork
I.
P
Know
I
understand:
that's
maintenance,
that's
keeping
it
clean,
shiny
or
whatever
it
needs
to
be,
but
Act
of
God
I
mean
I,
I,
don't
know,
I
I
know
I'm
just
saying.
If,
if
it
does
not
hold
up
what
happens,
is
there
any
onus
on
the
development?
You
know
the
developing,
or
does
it
just
come
from
the
art
committee.
V
Are
obligated
to
maintain
any
public
art
projects
in
the
city,
okay
and
I?
Think
in
the
first
place,
if
we
put
something
Outdoors,
it's
going
to,
you
know
implicitly,
last
a
long
time
in
in
the
elements
you
know
like
the
mermaid
on
the
Bayou.
We
have
that
you
know
looked
at
regularly
so
that
it
doesn't
corrode.
V
You
know
we
just
we
just
redid
the
wood
on
the
story,
time
bench
to
make
it
as
waterproof
and
sunproof
as
possible.
So
you
know
we
we
do
our
best
efforts
to
maintain
existing
artwork
and
to
select
artwork.
That
will
stand
up
like
currently
we're
working
on
a
black
heritage
project,
and
it
consists
of
a
lot
of
images
and
the
material
that
contains
all
of
the
images
is
specifically
graffiti
proof
scratch
proof.
You
know
it's
it's
it's
meant
to
be
outdoors,
that's
meant
to
hold
up
okay,
but
it's
just
it's
struck
by
lightning.
P
Yes,
I
understand
if
anything
struck
by
lightning,
it's
pretty
much
history.
The
other
thing
and
I
know
I've
brought
this
up
to
you
before
I
I'm,
strongly
into
a
consideration,
if
a
Project's
under
a
million
dollars
that
there
should
be
incremental
charge
for
that.
P
V
Now
we
we
actually
our
first
revision,
had
it
250,
000
and
under
but
I
think,
given
today's
economy,
it'd
be
hard-pressed
to
build
a
dollhouse
for
under
a
million
dollars.
But
you
know
it's
it's
you
know.
V
Realistically,
you
know
like
for
the
longest
time
we
were
told
that
Flagship
Bank
didn't
reach
that
Benchmark,
but
it
did
and
they
we
got
a
you
know,
a
contribution
from
them,
but
you
know
the
thing
is
that
something
most
most
development
projects
are
going
to
be
a
million
dollars
and
up
I
can't
imagine
you
know
a
major
development
that
would
be
under
that.
But
the
thing
is
that
you
know
Tarpon
is
becoming
saturated
and
built
up.
V
So
the
likelihood
of
you
know
having
these
large
developments
happen
is
decreasing,
so
we're
basically
cutting
ourselves
off
and
it
would
also
you
know,
discourage
developers
from
coming
to
tarp,
and
that
was
one
of
the
points
of
discussion
we
had.
If
you
know
they
know
that
they
were
going
to
get
you
know
hit.
If
somebody
was
just
building
say
A,
you
know
small
house
or
something
like
that.
So,
as
I
said,
we
had
long
serious
discussions
about
all
of
that.
O
Want
to
thank
staff
and
the
public
art
committee
and
Planning
and
Zoning
for
just
reviewing
it
all
and
commissioner,
the
car
did
bring
up
a
good
point
with
just
the
semantics
of
words:
I,
don't
want
to
miss
out
on
the
opportunity
of
being
able
to
put
some
public
art
in
a
15
mile,
an
hour
parking
lot.
You
know
it's
set
three
four
hundred
feet
behind
us,
19
so
and
those
words
shall
be
considered
or
all
included
so
happy
to
support
it.
All.
A
Okay,
I
I
I,
don't
have
any
questions
I'm
going
to
have
a
few
words
to
say
in
the
discussion.
I
I
want
to
reiterate.
Ms
Vince
in
your
opinion
is
the
issues
that
commissioner
Carr
brought
up
are
taken
into
account.
The
current
language
in
terms
of
your
opinion,
I.
U
A
A
That's
what
I
was
going
to
ask
you?
Would
it
be
reasonable
to
approve
this
on
the
first
reading?
Take
a
look
at
that
for
the
second
reading,
come
back
with
an
opinion
with
Ms.
W
U
I
just
add
to
the
record
regarding
commissioner
eisner's.
You
know
question
about
the
the
value
in
in
the
1
million.
We
did
have
a
lot
of
discussion
about
Redevelopment
and,
being
you
know,
going
forward,
that's
going
to
be
the
Lion's
Share
of
what
we're
going
to
be
looking
at,
and
we
have.
You
know
a
lot
of
structures
that
don't
meet
current
building
code.
They
might
be
in
flood
zones
and
don't
meet
FEMA.
So
from
a
Redevelopment
standpoint,
we
were
concerned
about
lowering
that
threshold.
U
You
know
when
there's
Redevelopment,
you
know,
because
when
you
come
in
to
do
a
Redevelopment
project,
you're
automatically
going
to
get
hit
with
building
code
issues,
if
you
happen
to
be
dealing
with
FEMA
as
well,
there's
so
and
those
those
drive
up
the
cost
of
a
project
already
that's
going
to
get
captured
as
as
part
of
the
overall
value,
but
we
were
just
cognizant
of
you
know
hitting
another.
One
of
you
know
that
that
was
some
of
the
discussion.
R
U
The
creation
of
a
subdivision
itself
and
the
site
construction
is
subject
to
it.
Once
it's
planted
and
you're
building
individual
homes,
individual
homes
are
not
subject
to,
and
then
the
you
know
the
one
million
dollars.
So
it's
it's
the
initial
construction
of
a
subdivision
versus
you
know.
We
can't
you
know
it's
to
be
virtually
impossible
to.
You
know
to
run
to
monitor.
You
know
individual
single-family
homes
on
platted
lots
that
have
existed
for
you
know
in
some
cases,
100
years
in
this
town,
so.
R
U
The
the
fee
would,
the
the
calculation
is
based
on,
would
not
include
the
value
of
the
homes,
because
you
don't
do
when
they're
going
to
be
built,
developers
generally
don't
come
in
and
spec
I
mean
sometimes
they
do,
but
they're
not
going
to
build.
You
know:
35
single-family
homes
and
spec
those
out
they're
going
to
come
in
and
an
individual
is
going
to
put
a
contract
to
have
a
house
built.
You
know
by
that
developer
or
or
they
may
just
buy
a
lot,
and
it
may
be.
You
know
somewhere
else
built
by
somebody
else
completely.
U
R
R
A
Okay,
are
there
any
other
questions?
Do
I
have
a
motion
and
a
second.
M
V
R
V
A
The
the
incremental
funding
was
not
foreign
to
me.
It
had
been
brought
up
some
time
ago
and-
and
my
solution
was
well
by
the
actually
I
think
it
was
the
city
manager-
don't
take
this
the
wrong
way,
but
the
city
manager
told
me
says
this
is
what
they
want
to
do.
I
says
well,
buy
them
off,
tell
them
you'll
offset
it.
W
K
A
Know,
we've
struggled
a
great
deal
with
this
in
the
past,
with
the
acceptance
of
whether
public
art
was
actually
important.
I
think
we
all
recognize
it's
important
I
think
we
want
it
to
continue
into
perpetuity.
I
I
do
know,
there's
probably
some
remaining
questions,
issues
such
as
the
who
who
replaces
artwork
if
it's
hit
by
a
truck
and
totaled
or
something
along
that
line.
A
B
B
A
A
T
Is
a
quasi-judicial
proceeding
where
the
Board
of
Commissioners
acts
in
a
quasi-judicial,
rather
than
a
legislative
capacity
at
a
quasi-judicial
hearing?
It
is
not
the
board's
function
to
make
law,
but
rather
to
apply
law
that
has
already
been
established
in
a
quasi-judicial
hearing.
The
board
is
required
by
law
to
make
findings
of
fact,
based
upon
the
evidence
presented
at
the
hearing
and
apply
those
findings
of
fact
to
previously
established
criteria
contained
in
the
code
of
ordinances
in
order
to
make
a
legal
decision
regarding
the
application
before
it.
T
The
board
may
only
consider
evidence
at
this
hearing
that
the
law
considers
competent,
substantial
and
relevant
to
the
issues.
If
the
competent,
substantial
and
relevant
evidence
at
the
hearing
demonstrates
that
the
applicant
has
met
the
criteria
established
by
the
code
of
ordinances,
then
the
board
is
required
by
law
to
find
in
favor
of
the
applicant.
T
A
Is
there
anybody
here,
in
addition
to
the
applicant
in
the
city,
of
course,
that
believes
they're
an
affected
party
that
are
against
this
project
I
have
to
ask
that
okay
I
see
none.
Is
any
commission
had
any
commissioner
had
any
ex
parte
Communications
that
they'd
like
to
report.
E
U
You
this
is
application
22-128.
This
is
a
site
plan.
Approval
for
a
project
known
as
Fun
City
Brewing
project
is
located
at
501
South,
Pinellas
Avenue.
It
is
in
the
smart
code
area
and
the
t5a
South
Pinellas
Avenue
transact
zone,
so
the
existing
building
has
been
there
since
I
believe
1956.
It
was
originally
a
a
gas
station
or
auto
repair
building,
I
think
through
time.
It's
been
used
for
various
other
things.
U
U
So
the
the
what's
you
what's
before
you
this
evening
is
actually
for
it's
really:
a
minor
expansion
for
outdoor
seating
in
the
back.
It's
a
covered
patio
area
but-
and
it
just
barely
tipped
the
threshold
to
be
in
front
of
you
as
an
actual
site
plan
versus
an
administrative
review
by
the
technical
Review
Committee.
U
So
it
is
an
expansion
for
620
square
feet
of
a
covered
patio
in
the
back
of
the
property.
Again,
this
is
the
location
South
Pinellas
Avenue,
the
North
Street
is
East
Oakwood.
This
is
Santos
Isles.
So
this
is
the
site
here.
U
So
the
existing
building
again
is
just
this
little.
You
know,
what's
I,
think
it's
like
1300
square
feet,
and
then
they
have
the
you
know
the
existing
canopy
over
the
the
structure
on
the
front.
It's
pretty
much
all
the
paving
is,
is
in
place.
It's
been
there
for
many
many
years.
This
is
the
area
where
they
want
to
add
a
covered
patio
area.
This
is
all
natural
back
here.
There's
a
there's
nice
mature
Oaks.
U
This
is
being
left
alone,
so
just
kind
of
a
view
from
the
back
of
just
you
know,
basically,
a
patio
structure
kind
of
like
a
lean-to
type
of
structure
on
the
back
for
an
outdoor
seating
area.
As
I
said,
this
is
an
Adaptive
reuse.
As
such,
it
doesn't
trip
any
real
thresholds,
for
you
know
major
improvements
to
bring
it
up
to
a
full
code
with
a
smart
code,
so
the
existing
parking
and
everything
really
functions,
as
is
so,
staff
does
recommend
approval
of
the
site
plan
with
the
following
conditions.
U
These
are
our
standard
conditions
site
construction
plans
have
to
be
consistent
with
the
approved
site
plan
details
for
any
new
site
lighting.
It
would
have
to
comport
with
the
Land
Development
card
requirements
in
section
127
and
the
site
plan
will
expire
within
one
year
for
building
permits
not
applied
for
the
Planning
and
Zoning
Board
did
review
this
and
recommended
approval
by
a
vote
of
7-0
at
their
last
meeting,
and
there
was
one
member
of
the
public
who
did
speak
in
favor
of
the
part
of
the
project.
K
M
U
R
U
P
You
mayor
I,
have
a
question:
I
didn't
see.
Any
criteria
is
that
a
missing.
U
So
because
of
the
the
it's
not
ex,
it's
not
ex
hitting
a
threshold
greater
than
50
percent
of
the
existing
structure.
The
site
plan
review
criteria,
the
smart
code
criteria
really
don't
come
into
play.
So
it's
an
Adaptive
reuse
of
the
existing
structure.
So
it
can
be,
it
can
be
remain.
You
know,
non-conforming
for
parking,
Landscaping
everything,
so
it
it
hits
a
threat.
It
doesn't
hit
that
threshold.
So
there's.
P
In
the
attorney's
speech
it
speaks
of,
you
know
that
we
do
have
this
quasi-judicial
hearing
and
it
has
to
follow
a
criteria.
I
was
just
a
little
lost
because
I
keep
looking
around
and
I'm,
not
finding
a
criteria
that
justifies
to
itself.
U
P
E
V
E
X
A
Thank
you.
Let's
go
to
Quick
commission
comments;
I'm
sorry,
questions
Vice
mayoral
on
any
questions.
John,
commissioner
Carr.
P
K
O
I,
just
thank
you
for
what
you've
done
and
your
just
Investments
to
the
community
you've
renovated
that
building
from
what
I
remember
it
being
a
produce,
stand
growing
up,
and
hopefully
it's
another
step
towards
building
up
the
entertainment
in
that
area,
which
seems
to
we've
heard
some
rumors
of
a
some
future
applications
in
the
future,
and
just
thank
you
all.
Thank
you.
Both
thank.
E
A
I,
like
the
name
I,
was
going
to
ask
you.
Where
did
you
come
up
with
that.
X
We
actually
we,
you
know
going
through
this
process,
we're
trying
to
find
the
right
name.
We
we
wanted
to
pay
tribute
to
Tarpon
Springs
somehow,
and
we
actually
saw
it
in
a
newspaper.
Article
I
think
around
the
100
Year
storm
when
they
did
the
new
story
somewhere
in
one
of
those
articles
that
were
spun
City
and
it
kind
of
just
clicked
and
I
was
like
that's
it.
It
has
to
be
spun.
City
sponge,
Capital,
the
world
sponge,
City,
Brewing,
I.
A
Kind
of
I
think
many
of
us
are
looking
forward
to
looking
seeing
your
label
when
it
comes
out.
I'm
sure
it's
going
to
be
very
characteristic,
I'm,
hopefully
of
the
town
as
well.
So
I
don't
have
any
further
questions.
Let's
go
to
public
comments.
Are
there
any
public
comments
here?
Anybody
here
I'd
like
to
make
a
public
comment:
Mr
delacas.
L
J
Fear
Deluxe,
514,
Ashland
Avenue
I
want
to
thank
you
for
your
efforts
because,
ironically
for
months
we
were
across
the
street
with
our
yard
sales
and
we've
watched
the
Realtors
come
and
go,
and
then
all
of
a
sudden
we
saw
painting
and
cleaning
out
and
we
were
wondering
what's
what's
going
to
go
in
there
and.
L
J
I
know
who
owns
it,
but
it's
been
vacant
for
years
and
then
the
place
that
was
the
car
place
turned
over.
So
it's
good
that
we're
having
some
renovation
in
there.
So
I
appreciate
the
fact
that
these
people
are
willing
to
take
their
time
their
money,
their
efforts,
their
Blood,
Sweat
and
Tears
to
invest
in
our
city,
but
I
also
want
you
all
to
look
at
the
overall
picture.
J
As
Renee
has
said,
this
special
area
plan
allows
for
to
bring
in
more
things
that
create
vibrancy
self-sufficiency
and
I
think
this
will
be
a
good
start,
but
we
also
need
to
maybe
look
at
other
incentives,
possibly
to
bringing
in
some
other
factions
now
I
know:
they're,
renovating
the
manatee,
Village
and
then
that'll
be
a
big
boost.
Hopefully
they
bring
in
some
good
tenants
that
generate
more
information.
J
Q
Z
Sharon
Landrum,
hey
Junior,
Drive,
Tarpon
Springs.
Thank
you,
mayor
and
board
of
the
Commissioners
for
allowing
me
to
speak
and
I'd
like
to
welcome
this
new
business.
I
live
in
the
area.
I've
watched
the
produce
stand
deteriorate
over
the
last
few
years
and
I'm
very
excited,
and
we
welcome
you
and
we
look
forward
to
doing
business
with
you.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
Okay,
I
need
to
ask
whether
you
have
any
offer
everything
was
positive,
which
is
good
and
usually
if
there
was
somebody
that
had
any
an
issue
you
would,
you
would
offer
a
reason
as
to
or
some
additional
information,
so
I'm
asking
whether
you
have
any
additional
information.
You
would
like
to
offer
in
response
to
what
any
anybody
has
said.
A
You
don't
have
to
say
anything,
that's
okay,
too,
so,
okay,
closing
summation,
Ms,
Vinson.
U
A
Okay,
I'm
going
to
close
the
public
hearing,
you
can
sit
down
now
and
I'm
gonna
go
to
comments
now
vice
mayor
alone.
Do
you
have
any
comments
that.
R
Yeah
a
couple
comments
on
this:
this
is
a
great
asset
to
our
community,
so
thank
you
so
much
for
your
investment.
Obviously,
this
has
been
a
blighted
piece
of
property
for
many
many
years,
you've
retrofitted,
basically
this
piece
of
property
to
make
it
a
very
unique
building,
with
a
very
cool
name
and
a
cool
concept
as
well
too
so
I'm
happy
support
this
extension
of
the
patio
which
we're
approving
tonight,
but
looking
forward
to
y'all
opening
and
being
very
successful
in
many
many
years.
Thank
you.
A
I
wish
to
welcome
you
to
Tarpon
Springs
I,
think
it's
going
to
be
I,
always
love
when
we
brand
something
with
Tarpon
Springs.
That's
got
to
do
with
the
Heritage
or
the
history
of
Tarpon
Springs
that
it
helps
continue.
Keeping
Tarpon
Springs
on
the
map
and
and
defining
who
we
are
so
I.
I.
Very
much
appreciate
your
investment
in
that
regard.
A
A
By
the
point,
that's
what
I
advocate,
so
we
have
a
motion
and
a
second
is
that
correct,
Ms
Jacobs,
that's
correct!
All
right!
We'll
have
a
roll
call.
Please,
commissioner,.
K
B
A
T
This
is
a
quasi-judicial
proceeding
where
the
Board
of
Commissioners
act
in
a
quasi-judicial,
rather
than
a
legislative
capacity
at
a
quasi-judicial
hearing.
It
is
not
the
board's
function
to
make
law,
but
rather
to
apply
law
that
has
already
been
established
in
a
quasi-judicial
hearing.
The
board
is
required
by
law
to
make
findings
of
fact,
based
upon
the
evidence
presented
at
the
hearing
and
apply
those
findings
of
fact
to
previously
established
criteria
contained
in
the
code
of
ordinances
in
order
to
make
a
legal
decision
regarding
the
application
before
it.
T
The
board
may
only
consider
evidence
at
this
hearing
that
the
law
considers
competent,
substantial
and
relevant
to
the
issues.
If
the
competent,
substantial
and
relevant
evidence
at
the
hearing
demonstrates
that
the
applicant
has
met
the
criteria
established
in
the
code
of
ordinance,
then
the
board
is
required
by
law
to
find
in
favor
of
the
applicant.
By
the
same
token,
if
the
competent,
substantial
and
relevant
evidence
at
the
hearing
demonstrates
that
the
applicant
has
failed
to
meet
the
criteria
established
in
the
code
of
ordinance,
then
the
board
is
required
by
law
to
find
against
the
applicant.
U
This
is
application
22-91.
This
is
site
plan
approval
for
the
Susanna
2
project.
Hopefully
this
looks
familiar
to
you
this.
The
board
previously
reviewed
this
as
a
conditional
use
specific
to
an
alternative
dimensional
plan
several
months
ago.
So
now
the
the
project
is
back
before
you
for
the
site
plan
approval
portion.
U
This
is
a
seven
unit,
multi-family
development,
the
the
inclusive
of
the
conditions
of
approval
that
were
required
by
the
board
for
the
conditional
use
and
the
Land
Development
code.
It
does
meet
all
the
requirements
of
the
Land
Development
code.
This
is
located
at
the
northwest
corner
of
East
Lyme
and
South
gross
Street,
and
you
can
see
the
project
area
here.
U
And
so
this
the
this
is
the
layout.
This
is
a
seven
unit,
one-story
apartment
building
parking
to
the
rear
accessed
off
of
the
10-foot
alley.
The
resolution
of
the
22-09
approved
the
conditional
use
with
the
alternative
dimensional
plan
with
reduced
front
yard,
front
side
and
rear
yard
requirements.
The
actual
site
plan
came
back
doing
a
little
better
than
that,
so
they
were
to
meet
the
push
the
buildings.
You
know
a
little
farther
away
from
the
street.
I
know
that
was
a
discussion
point.
U
The
building
elevations
these
have
changed.
The
roof
line
previously
was
a
pitch
roof.
They
are
opting
to
do
just
a
flat
roof
type
of
structure,
but
there
is
building
undulation
so
that
it's
not
you
know
a
monolithic
type
of
of
appearance.
You
do
have
porches
fronting
on
to
the
the
road
frontages
on
all
sides.
So
they're,
you
know
their
primary
entrances
off
the
street.
U
The
resolutions
of
the
conditions
of
approval
and
the
resolution
discussed
requirement
for
buffering
of
the
parking
lot
there's.
This
is
a
Cottage
Court
development
to
the
east,
and
so
there
are
three
units
here:
that
kind
of
back
up
to
this
property
that
they
have
like
these
wooden
rear
decks
on
them,
they're,
actually
not
conforming
as
to
the
way
that
they're
located
on
the
property,
but
the
applicant
has
proposed
to
put
in
you
know,
screening
hedge,
on
the
back
side
of
the
pond,
to
provide
some
additional
buffering
along
with
the
tree
plantings.
U
This
would
meet
our
required
buffering
requirement
for
parking
lot
screening
in
the
Land
Development
code.
There
also
was
a
condition
of
approval
regarding
working
with
waste
management
for
a
workable
solution
for
the
collection
of
solid
waste,
very
similar
to
the
project
that
you
also
reviewed
recently
by
the
same
developer.
The
Proposal
is
to
have
toters
stored
along
the
alley,
and
each
unit
will
be
responsible
for
bringing
them
out
to
the
street
on
trash
pickup
day
and
then
the
10-foot
alley
must
be
maintained
clear.
U
So
that
is
what
has
been
achieved
through
the
site
plan
as
well.
Oh
staff
recommendation
is
to
approve
the
site
plan
with
our
four
standard
conditions,
consistent
with
the
site
construction
plans
consistent
with
the
site
plan,
details
for
site
lighting
have
to
be
compliant
with
Section
127
requirements
for
the
public
art
program.
U
If
the
aggregate
job
value
exceeds
1
million
and
the
site
plan
would
expire
within
one
year
unless
we
have
an
application
for
a
building
permit,
Planning
and
Zoning
Board
did
review
this
on
at
their
last
meeting,
I
recommended
7-0
to
approve,
and
there
were
no
members
of
the
public
that
spoke
on
the
item
with
that
I'll
stop
and
answer
any
questions
that
you
might
have
and
that
would
enter
my
staff
report
and
presentation
into
the
public
record.
Thank
you.
R
Renee
I
know
we
had
some
discussions
with
the
last
application
when
they
came
up
before
us
like
a
month
ago
about
the
toters.
Is
there
any
requirement
for
any
shielding
required
for
where
they're
located
since
they're
like
right
along
the
alleyway
in
the
code.
U
I
would
say
specifically
no
I
mean
they're
going
to
have
like
a
Corral
type
of
area
I'll.
Let
the
applicant
speak
a
little
more
to
the
details
of
what
that
is.
They
won't
just
be
like
floating
around
they'll
have
to
be
contained,
but
there's
no
there's
no
screening
requirement
for
them
like
there
would
be
for
a
dumpster
okay.
R
Yeah
I
just
see
that
there's
a
concrete
pad
there
that
I
mean
that
would
be
a
somewhat
of
a
concern.
It's
just
it's
a
narrow
alley
already
have
to
pull
in
and
out,
but
I
will
just
hope
that
the
applicant
would
want
to
look
at
having
some
type
of
screen
there
to
protect
it
from
going
on
the
alleyway.
R
E
You
okay
thank.
U
This
one,
you
know
the
the
conditional
use
was
your
the
the
more
specific
criteria
again
trying
to
not
present
you
with
volumes
of
information,
but
this
is
with
Land
Development
code
criteria.
U
P
Okay,
yeah,
but
just
as
I
said
before
the
sure,
in
order
for
a
ordinance
or
resolution
to
be
passed,
and
it's
quasi-judicial,
it
has
to
balance
against
the
criteria
of
whatever
that
is
so
I
mean
like
I
said,
this
is
not
brain
surgery.
For
me,
I
can
see
what
it
is
not
in
dispute
of
it,
but
I
would
like
to
have
this
future.
Yes,
that's
all.
Thank
you.
E
Okay,
commissioner,
I
have
no
questions
for
staff
at
this
time.
Okay,
I
I,
don't
have
any
questions.
Thank
you.
E
Start:
okay.
A
The
applicant
is
here:
if
you
can
get
up
and
give
us
your
name
and
address,
please.
A
Okay
are
listed
in
there,
but
that's
okay!
Let's
that
you
don't
have
anything
so.
A
A
You
can,
if
you've
got
anything
that
you
would
like
to
offer
now
as
part
of
your
presentation,
I.
AA
Will
address
that
those
daughters
will
be
placed
on
concrete
pad
they're,
not
just
anywhere
there's
defined
area.
There
will
be
a
defined
by
the
building
wall
on
one
side
and
a
fence
on
the
East
and
the
west,
but
they
will
have
the
easy
access
to
be
pulled
out
from
that
location
into
the
alley.
And
that's
what
we've
discussed
with
the
waste
management
staff
at
the
city
and
to
be
on.
A
M
AA
M
AA
M
AA
R
A
Q
E
A
I
I'm
going
to
ask
the
applicant:
if
you
don't,
if
you
have
any
rebottle,
there's
nothing
that
was
said
so
obviously
there's
nothing
to
rebut,
but
we
need
to
kind
of
close
the
loop
on
that
Ms
Vincent.
Do
you
have
a
closing
or
summation
that
you
would
like
to
make?
No.
C
A
Okay,
we're
going
to
close
the
public
hearing
now
and
I'm
going
to
go
to
comments
from
the
commission
vice
mayor
Lunt.
Do
you
have
any
comments?
No.
M
As
always,
it's
it's
a
welcome
design
and
we
need
this
kind
of
Housing
and
Tarpon.
So
thank
you
very
much
personally,
I'd
like
to
see
a
fence
around
the
pond,
but
at
least
on
the
west
side,
but
that's
just
me
anyway.
Thank
you.
E
Okay,
commissioner
Eichner.
P
P
This
is
exactly
what
our
all
the
residents
wanted
to
have
more
buildings
and
more
housing
in
and
around
this
kind,
not
tall
five,
six
story,
buildings,
so
I.
Thank
you
for
bringing
it
to
Tarpon,
Springs
and
I
and,
like
I,
said,
and
do
I
had
one
one
question,
but
I
think
you
know
I
can't
ask
the
question
now,
but
I
just
it'll
be
a
statement.
P
I
I
just
hope
that
there
will
be
somebody
coordinating
these
totes
going
back
and
forth
so
that
they're
not
just
left
around
and
I
I
can't
ask
you
that
question.
I
just
hope
it's
included
because
that's
always
an
issue.
People
leave
it
and
on
their
streets.
So
this
is
a
small
10-foot
area
and
I
just
hope
it's
taken
care
of.
So
that's
all
I
want
to
say
thank.
E
You,
commissioner,
commissioneros.
O
I
just
want
to
thank
the
applicant
for
having
a
larger
increase
setback
with
the
proposed
I
appreciate
that
you
know
I'm
very
for
other
future
projects
I'm
in
special
that
area
I'm
not
too
crazy
about
those
setbacks,
but
I
understand
what
you're
trying
to
do
and
I
appreciate
it,
and
thank
you
for
being
receptive
to
considering
subsidized
housing
in
the
area
as
I
stated
before.
So.
Thank
you.
B
A
A
A
Thank
you.
Could
you
read
the
procedures
for
quasi-judicial
and
swear
anybody
in
that's
here
for
this
project?
Yes,.
T
Ma'am,
this
is
a
Quadra
quasi-judicial
proceeding
where
the
Board
of
Commissioners
acts
in
a
quasi-judicial,
rather
than
a
legislative
capacity
at
a
quasi-judicial
hearing.
It
is
not
the
board's
function
to
make
law,
but
rather
to
apply
law
that
has
already
been
established
in
a
quasi-judicial
hearing.
The
board
is
required
by
law
to
make
findings
a
fact,
based
upon
the
evidence
presented
at
the
hearing
and
apply
those
findings
of
fact
to
previously
established
criteria
contained
in
the
code
of
ordinances
in
the
in
order
to
make
a
legal
decision
regarding
the
application
before
it.
T
The
board
may
only
consider
evidence
at
this
hearing
that
the
law
considers
competent,
substantial
and
relevant
to
the
issues.
If
the
competence,
substantial
and
relevant
evidence
that
the
hearing
demonstrates
that
the
applicant
has
met
the
criteria
established
in
the
code
of
ordinance,
then
the
board
is
required
by
law
to
find
in
favor
of
the
applicant.
By
the
same
token,
if
the
competent's,
substantial
and
relevant
evidence
that
the
hearing
demonstrates
that
the
applicant
has
failed
to
meet
the
criteria
established
in
the
code
of
ordinance,
then
the
board
is
required
by
law
to
find
against
the
applicant.
T
A
A
U
U
This
is
an
18
lot
single
family
subdivision
on
it
located
on
Jasmine
at
the
intersection
of
Jasmine
and
melon
Street,
a
little
little
bit
of
background
on
this.
This
was
originally
approved
as
a
preliminary
and
final
plan
development
in
2022
prior
to
several
of
the
board
members
sitting
here.
So
you
may
not
be
as
familiar
with
this
one.
So
the
it's
a
it's
a
small
lot,
single-family
subdivision
of
18
Lots.
U
As
I
said
it
went
through
the
plan
development
process.
It
has
its
own
specific
setbacks
that
are
recognized
as
part
of
the
plan
development.
So
when
we
review
this
again
we're
looking
the
the
site
plan,
the
final
plan
development
was
the
site
planned
the
site
construction
plans
had
to
conform
with
that.
The
property
has
been
under
construction
and
is
largely
complete.
The
roads
are
in
most
of
the
infrastructure
is
in
at
this
point.
The
applicant
does
wants
to
go
ahead
and
go
forward
with
planning.
U
We
have
an
engineer's
estimate
of
the
outstanding
improvements
that
have
been
verified
by
our
engineer
of
record
and
we
do
have
a
standby
irrevocable
letter
of
credit
in
the
amount
to
cover
those
improvements.
You
know
that's
just
an
abundance
of
caution.
If
the
developer
would
walk
away
from
the
project,
the
city
could
call
the
letter
of
credit
to
finish
those
those
remaining
improvements
that
haven't
been
done,
but
this
does
allows
the
applicant
to
go
ahead
and
plat
and
he
can
begin
selling
lots
and
so
until
that,
until
it's
actually
planted,
he
cannot
do
that.
U
So
the
plant
itself
has
been
reviewed
by
our
surveyor
of
record
for
compliance
with
State
Statute,
so
we're
at
the
point
of
where
we
are
ready
to
approve
resolution
23-06,
which
is
the
final
plot
for
the
project.
The
conditions
of
approval
on
the
final
plan
development.
Just
to
note
those
they
have
met
conditions.
One
three
and
four
number
two
will
take
place
as
each
individual
home
comes
through
permitting.
We
will
verify
that
the
setbacks
that
are
in
resolution
to
2021-26,
which
is
the
plan
development,
are
adhered
to
as
each
one
comes
through.
U
So
all
these
storm
water
issues
were
resolved
prior
to
site
construction,
permitting
we
have
the
municipal
easements
that
were
required
prior
to
construction
permitting.
If
you
there
was
also
a
just
for
a
little
background
information.
There
was
a
there
was
a
remaining
35-foot
right-of-way
here
that
was
vacated
to
Cypress
Street
that
was
vacated
prior
as
part
of
this
project
development.
U
So
that
way,
and
we
had
to
retain
easements
for
City
Utilities
in
there
so
that
that's
all
been
accomplished.
So
everything
is,
is
ready
to
go
for
plotting
with
the
excuse
me
with
the
a
few
remaining
improvements
that
have
been
secured
by
the
letter
of
credit.
So
with
that
I'll
stop
and
answer
any
questions
that
you
might
have.
Okay,.
A
All
right,
would
you
just
step
up
and
state
your
name
and
address
for
the
record.
Please
and
congratulations
on
your
grandson.
George
retrieving
the
cross
on
January
6th.
AB
George
Stamos
46
West,
Lemon,
Street,
Tarpon,
Springs
Florida,
representing
Pioneer
Developers
Renee
did
a
fine
job
explaining
where
we're
at,
and
this
is
just
the
final
step
of
completion
for
us
to
be
able
to
start
marketing
and
selling
lots
out
there
and
we're
ready
to
go.
AB
U
Q
A
A
B
W
A
We
reconvene
at
8
47..
The
next
item
is
17,
which
is
the
conditional
use
for
Oakwood
Street
Mr
Salzman.
If
he
could
read
the
resolution
by
title.
T
This
is
a
quasi-judicial
proceeding
where
the
Board
of
Commissioners
acts
in
a
quasi-judicial
rather
than
a
legislative
capacity,
Anna
quasi-judicial
hearing.
It
is
not
the
board's
function
to
make
law,
but
rather
to
apply
law
that
has
already
been
established
in
a
quasi-judicial
hearing.
The
board
is
required
by
law
to
make
findings
of
fact,
based
upon
the
evidence
presented
at
the
hearing
and
apply
those
findings
previously
established
criteria
contained
in
the
code
of
ordinances
in
order
to
make
a
legal
decision
regarding
the
application
before
it.
T
The
board
may
only
consider
evidence
at
this
hearing
that
the
law
considers
competent,
substantial
and
relevant
to
the
issues.
If
the
competent,
substantial
and
relevant
evidence
at
the
hearing
demonstrates
that
the
applicant
has
met
the
criteria
establishing
the
code
of
ordinances,
then
the
board
is
required
by
law
to
find
in
favor
of
the
applicant.
T
By
the
same
token,
if
the
competent's,
substantial
and
relevant
evidence
at
the
hearing
demonstrates
that
the
applicant
has
failed
to
meet
the
criteria
established
in
the
code
of
ordinances,
then
the
board
is
required
by
law
to
find
against
the
applicant
that
anyone's
going
to
testify.
Please
stand
and
raise
your
right
hand
do
you
swear
affirm
that
the
testimony
that
you're
about
to
give
in
this
proceeding
is
the
truth,
the
whole
truth
and
nothing
but
the
truth.
A
Okay,
has
any
commissioner
had
any
ex
parte
Communications
with
the
applicant.
U
Thank
you.
This
is
application
22-105.
This
is
a
conditional
use.
Application
I
do
want
to
state
that,
for
this
particular
application,
the
planning
Department's
not
specifically
making
a
recommendation.
So
I'll
explain
a
little
bit
of
that
as
we
go
forward
the
the
application
the
location
is
for
136
East,
Oakwood
Street.
This
is
an
existing.
Originally,
it
was
a
single
family
house.
It
has
been
used
for
I,
believe
14
plus
years
is
actually
a
dog
grooming
establishment.
U
The
request
that
is
before
you
this
evening
is
being
brought
forward
as
a
conditional
use
for
the
purpose
of
a
dog
training
facility,
with
overnight
boarding
in
the
overnight
boarding
and
sort
of
the
applicant
will
do
a
much
better
job
of
explaining
this
than
I
weld
is
part
of
the
training
process.
So
it's
not.
You
can't
call
this
person
up
and
say:
I
want
to
board
my
dog.
It
has
to
be
part
of
it
as
part
of
a
training
program.
So
it's
a
little
bit
of
a
nuanced
type
of
use.
U
U
We
would
consider
a
personal
service
use
just
like
the
dog
grooming.
It's
not
listed
really
any.
It
falls
under
the
retail
category
of
the
district.
The
boarding
is
where
we
were
struggling
with
frankly
as
to
how
to
treat
this,
and
so
since
we
there
is
a
use
in
the
district
of
veterinary
office
with
a
kennel
which
clearly
indicates
overnight
boarding.
U
We
we
took
the
approach
that
it's
a
somewhat
similar
type
of
use,
and
so
we
elected
to
allow
it
to
move
forward
as
a
conditional
use
and
bring
it
to
the
board,
so
I
just
kind
of
wanted
to
explain
how
we
got
here.
We've
done
this
in
the
past,
where
something
isn't
cleanly
laid
out
as
permitted
or
conditional,
but
it
has
similar
characteristics
with
another
use.
We
would
consider
it
under
a
similar
path.
So
that's
that's.
How
we've
gotten
to
where
we
are
at
this
point?
U
U
U
So
the
conditional
use
criteria
we
have
to
review
for
conformance
with
the
Land
Development
code.
This
project
is
an
Adaptive
reuse
of
an
existing
building
and
it
can
meet
the
requirements
of
the
building
code.
The
requirements
of
the
Land
Development
code
really
are
the
conditional
nature
of
the
part
of
the
conditional
nature
of
this,
but
for
parking
and
site
characteristics
and
stuff
it
is.
It
is
compliant.
The
big
question
on
this
is
the
compatibility
we
as
I
said.
U
The
subject,
the
property,
the
use,
would
be
subject
to
compatibility
requirements
of
the
special
area
plan.
Again
that
that
compatibility
aspect
is
really
going
to,
you
know
again,
be
you
know,
issues
of
noise,
outdoor
activity
and
hours
of
operation.
So
that
is
a
consideration
for
the
board.
U
We
don't
think
this
will
adversely
affect
and
and
or
impact
historical
or
environmental
resources.
The
doctor,
the
condition
of
the
condition
of
you,
know,
effects
on
adjoining
property
values.
Again.
The
dog
training
is.
L
U
U
U
So
we
recommended
the
board
consider
this.
If
you
do
recommend
approval
or
you
want,
if
you're
we
do
have
some
recommended
conditions
of
approval
overnight,
boarding
should
be
limited
to
maximum
of
10
dogs.
The
boarding
overnight
boarding
must
be
supervised.
24
hours
a
day
by
on-site
personnel
and
a
solid
six
foot
fence
shall
be
installed
around
the
entire
perimeter
of
the
property
behind
the
front
yard
setback.
It's
mostly
fenced.
At
this
point,
we've
had
no
public,
no
public
input
on
this.
At
this
point,
we
did
do
mailed
notice
to
the
surrounding
Property
Owners.
U
It's
my
understanding
that
the
applicant
has
had
discussions
with
the
management
company
itself.
We
miss
McNeese,
also
directly
reached
out
to
the
to
the
on-site
manager
for
Santos
Isles.
They
they're
aware
of
the
project
I'm,
not
sure
if
they
were
fully
aware
about
the
overnight
boarding
aspects.
Initially,
when
from
the
discussions
between
the
applicant
and
the
and
the
owner
or
the
applicant
and
the
manager
of
the
of
the
of
Santos
Isles.
U
U
You
know,
I
want
to
take
a
minute
to
to
talk
about
what
happened
there.
It
was,
they
had
a
full
board.
Ultimately,
it
was
recommended
for
approval
and
with
by
a
4-3
vote
during
the
board
discussions,
our
board
attorney
Kardash
introduced
a
section
of
the
Land
Development
code,
section
72
overnight
boarding
of
animals
as
a
applicable
section
of
the
code
for
review,
and
we
initially
did
not.
U
U
That
was
discussed
with
the
you
know
at
the
meeting,
and
the
attorney
still
indicated
that,
even
though
that
that
specific
section
was
not
in
the
list
that
the
preceding
sentence
in
that
section
would
allow
for
that
consideration.
So
there
wasn't
a
lot
of
discussion
at
the
Planning
and
Zoning
Board
about
that
section.
72
I
have
included
the
attack
as
an
attachment,
the
section
for
this
board
for
reference
and
since
then
I
have
done
some
some
measuring
it's
really
distant
separation
requirements.
So
I
can
answer
questions
about
that.
U
If
you
want
to
introduce
that
and
discuss
that,
so
the
Planning
and
Zoning
Board
did
recommend,
as
I
said,
they
recommended
approval
and
with
some
additional
conditions
the
conditional
use
should
be
non-transferable.
So
it's
for
this
particular
operator
only
it
cannot
transfer
to
another
individual.
U
The
applicant
completes
an
agreement
with
a
veterinarian
for
24-hour
service
and
that
the
applicant
is
required
to
carry
general
liability
insurance.
So
those
were
the
additional
conditions
recommended
by
the
board
I'm
going
to
stop
there
there's
a
lot
of
information
in
the
backup
and
answer
questions
that
you
might
have,
and
you
know,
I
really
think
the
applicant's
going
to
be
the
person,
that's
really
going
to
have
to
explain
the
operations
and
how
this
is
unique.
So,
with
that
I'll
stop
and
try
to
answer
any
questions
you
might
have.
Okay.
A
A
All
right,
so,
let's
go
to
questions
vice
mayor
Lauren.
M
You
know
it
does
do
the
veterinarian
with
overnight
boarding.
However,
overnight
boarding
has
a
different
connotation
and
a
different
explanation
as
to
what
overnight
boarding
is
that's
pulled
in
from
the
Land
Development
code,
which
is
section
72.,
so
because
this
is
quasi-judicial
and
we
have
to
follow
the
law.
My
sort
of
interpretation
was
that.
M
Because
the
LA,
the
transit
code
does
not
cover
the
smart
code
does
not
cover
this
particular
application.
We
should
read
and
default
to
section
72.,
a
problem
that
I
have
with
Section
72
is
that
the
application
here
doesn't
meet
a
whole
bunch
of
the
regulations
under
what
overnight
boarding
of
animals
is.
M
So
you
had
mentioned
that
a
kind
of
sort
of
meta,
but
I
guess.
My
big
concern
is
when
you
talk
about
overnight
boarding
versus
what
is
being
offered
here.
We're
talking
about
you
know,
I
think
we
agreed
on,
or
somebody
agreed
on,
a
minimum
of
of
10
animals
per
night,
the
maximum
yeah
maximum,
but
but
these
animals
are
going
into
crates,
they're
not
going
into
kennels.
That's
a
whole
different
environment
from
the
photos
that
I
saw.
M
Is
that
correct,
so,
okay,
so
section
72
actually
says
it
requires
a
minimum
floor
area
up
per
animal
of
125
square
feet
with?
Would
this
meet
that
criteria.
U
I
had
that
specific
calculation
I
have
not
have
not
have
not
calculated.
What's
the
score,
I
can
I
can
run
that
particular
one
as
we're
sitting
here.
So
I
can
figure
out
this.
R
U
Square
the
square
footage
Renee.
U
Say
that
it
has
to
be
dedicated
for
each
individual
dog,
so
yes,
that
math,
you
know,
would
be
compliant
right
and
I
do
want
I
and
again,
a
lot
of
this
is
going
to
be
on
the
applicant
to
really
answer
a
lot
of
the
questions
about
these
operations.
This
is
not
a
boarding
facility
that
you
know.
That's
why
we've
gotten
I
did
not
feel
like
that.
That
I
had
the
ability
to
just
tell
this
applicant.
M
M
To
them
I'm
not
happy
with
it
but
anyway,
so
the
other
things
does
it
meet
minimum
setbacks.
So
apparently,.
U
Yes,
the
the
building
itself
is
not
is
greater
than
100
feet
from
the
res
from
the
Residential
Building
like
building
to
building
and
the
outdoor.
If
you
want
to
call
that
the
exercise
area
is
also
compliant
from
of
more
than
100
feet
from
the
the
residential
the
buildings.
Now,
if
you're
talking
about
registering
to.
M
A
property
line,
of
course
not
this
says
property,
not
buildings,.
M
Okay,
so
not
compliant
with
that.
It's
not
using
outdoor
runs
as
far
as
I
know
no
set
back
for
any
outdoor
exercise
area,
which
is
pretty
much.
The
rear
of
this
property
also
is
subject
to
100
feet,
distancing
I'm,
not
sure.
If
the
building
you
looked
at
the
building
specs
does
it
have
sound
proofing?
That's
done.
U
I
believe
the
applicant
actually
did
indicate
they
were
installing
app
soundproofing
as
part
of
their
normal
efforts.
I'll.
Let
the
applicant
speak
to
that.
U
In
that,
will
you
know
the
the
building
of
excuse
me.
The
fire
marshal
has
to
look
at
this
from
there
in
in
his
looking
at
the
numbers
that
were
being,
he
did
not
deem
this
a
kettle.
He
only
he
did
not
re.
He
didn't
look
at
it
from
the
building
from
the
fire
code
perspective
because
of
the
numbers,
as
even
you
know,
as
a
boarding.
M
Anyway.
Sorry,
that's.
M
So
it
obviously
doesn't
have
any
outdoor
runs.
So
we're
not
really
concerned
about
four
foot,
berms
I
think
that's
all
the
questions
I
have
of
you.
The
rest
are
for
the
applicant.
It's
I
I'm
struggling
with
this.
Why
I
want
to
say
yes
but
I'm,
seeing
too
many
things
that
tell
me
that
it
doesn't
follow
the
law.
M
R
Mayor
Renee,
one
of
the
the
struggles
I'm
trying
to
understand
is
how
do
you
define
a
training
facility
that
offers
overnight
stays?
Can
you
lump
it
into
an
overnight
boarding?
Animal
Facility,
that's
an
element
of
the
training.
It
sounds
like
it's
not
open
to
the
public.
If
I
want
my
dog
to
go,
stay
there
and
I'm
out
of
town
and
I
wanted
to
stay
there,
every
night
I
just
can't
my.
R
My
that's,
my
understanding
is
I
want
to
think
of
overnight
boarding
and
I.
Don't
have
a
great
definition
of
what
overnight
boarding
is
and
the
code.
But
that's
what
my
thought
process
is
of
overnight
boarding.
R
The
board
has
experienced
similar
application,
not
this
type
of
application,
but
like
an
overnight
boarding
application
or
a
Doggy
Daycare
application
on
US
19
before
in
the
past,
I,
don't
recall
when
this
happened.
Section
72
is
definitely
in
discussion
about
it
and
it
it
measured
from
the
I
believe
the
property
line
of
the
applicant
to
the
building
of
the
closest
residential
building
and
that's
again
it
seems
like
it's
a
kind
of
open
for
interpretation
and
the
item
72b
2.
R
So
that's
that's
how
it
was
utilized
back
then,
and
when
we
looked
at
it,
the
issue
back
then,
was
that
the
residential
building
was
within
100
feet
and
it
was
denied.
Because
of
that
very
reason
is
this:
is
there
any
residential
buildings
with
100
feet
of
this
property?
That's
being
applied
for
here?
So.
AC
R
U
The
building
to
the
residential
portions
of
the
building,
because
that
the
closest
point
of
the
building
is
actually
the
clubhouse
that
wraps
around
the
end
of
the
building,
so
the
close
to
the
closest
residential
area
is
160
feet
to
the
closest
point
of
the
actual
building
itself
would
be,
you
know,
probably
about
125
from
the
outdoor
from
the
outdoor
area,
to
the
edge
of
the
outdoor
area.
The
closest
point,
okay,.
R
So
from
a
setback
standpoint
in
that
area,
I
feel
comfortable
with
that
one.
The
other
elements
I
think
there's
some
more
building
elements
that
are
in
play
there.
That's
not
really
for
me
to
decide
what's
considered
a
adequate
AC
unit
or
filtration
the
minimum
floor
area
makes
sense
with
the
requirement
of
1250
square
feet.
If
there's
10
dogs
in
there
how
dogs
sleep
or
how
dogs
are
kept
or
boarded,
that's
not
I've
got
no
professional
expertise
on
how
that
should
be
done.
R
Creating
verse,
kenneling,
I,
don't
know
what
that
looks
like
from
a
training
standpoint,
so
I
would
defer
to
the
the
Professionals
in
that
one
I
think
the
biggest
the
biggest
question
that
I
had
was
to
be
sorry,
72,
B2
and
I.
Think
I've
felt
comfortable
with
what
Renee
you're
explaining
to
me
am
I.
Understand
that
correctly
that
it's
not
within
100
feet,
property
building.
U
This
is
the
minimum
setback
from
any
residentially
zoned
or
utilized
property
for
buildings
shall
be
a
hundred
feet
yeah,
so
I
think
you
have
to
look
at
these
in
the
context
you
know,
I
think
you
need
to
look
at
building
to
to
to
building
I
mean
if
you're
looking,
if
you're
measuring
to
Edge
a
property
and
Edge
of
property.
Obviously.
U
Yeah
you're
not
compliant,
but
if
you're
looking
at
the
out,
if
you're
looking
at
the
outdoor
area,
which
is
the
property
line
in
the
rear
yard,
at
its
closest
point.
U
R
Okay,
just
one
other
additional
clarifying
question
vice
mayor
brought
up
and
was
it
pertaining
to
the
125
square
feet
per
dog
that
just
talks
about
or
per
animal
that
just
that
doesn't
say
that
that's
a
required
dedicated
space
for
the
animal
just
talks
about
the
building
itself.
P
You
mayor
Renee
I,
want
to
ask
you
a
question:
why
is
it
that
when
we
have
boa
meetings
or
Planning
and
Zoning
there's
signs
placed
out
and
on
this
particular
property,
there
were
no
signs
placed
out
to
inform
the
residents
of
Santos
Islands
Isles
y?
This
was
here
when
the
mayor
asked.
If
there
were
any
parties
of
affected
parties,
how
would
they
know
if
they
don't
get
the
notification
I
understand
we
notified
the
managing
agent?
P
U
It's
within
500
feet.
We
do
not
post
conditional
uses.
We
do
not
put
a
physical
sign
on
the
property,
it's
not
required
in
the
code
and
we've
never
done
it.
So
I'm
not
saying
that
the
code
shouldn't,
maybe
that
shouldn't
be
expanded,
but
we
don't
so
we
try
to
treat
everybody
applicable
under
the
code
for
public
notice
and
not
go
off
on
tangents.
So
that's
that's
why
we
did
you
know
we'd,
follow
the
code
right.
U
E
E
P
I'm
not
only
saying
it
for
this
particular
case,
but
I'm
saying
it
for
a
possibility
to
change
that
section
of
the
code,
because
it's
not
fair
to
the
people
to
not
have
an
idea.
They're
not
here
to
represent
so
I
think
they
should
have
a
say
in
the
matter,
one
way
or
the
other.
So
whether
we
have
it
in
a
code,
we
should
have
it
in
the
code
is
my
statement
even
though
I
know
it'll
be
a
question
eventually.
Thank
you.
P
I
have
I,
just
think
it's
fair
to
all
concerned
to
have
that
in
there.
So
my
question
to
you
also
on
criteria
number
two
you
have
here:
the
proposed
use
is
appropriate
in
the
property
in
question
compatible
with
the
area.
P
It's
you.
The
comment,
that's
in
here
says
the
boarding
component
may
present
impacts
to
surrounding
properties,
I,
don't
even
know
how
you
could
say.
May
it
definitely
will,
and
especially
in
terms
of
noise,
outdoor
activity
and
hours
of
operation.
Those
are
all
gimmies
there.
That's
exactly
what
it's
going
to
cause
so
I,
don't
understand
how
these
are
explain
to
me,
how
you
say
that
it
may.
U
I'm
going
to
defer
to
the
applicant,
because
if
you
hear
once
you
hear
how
the
operations
of
it,
how
it
functions,
it
may
or
may
not
be
be
a
compatibility
issue,
I
mean
that
we're
simply
saying
it
could
it
could
I'm
presenting
to
you
that
it
could
we're
not
saying
it
does
we're
saying
it
could
or
does
not.
Frankly,
I
mean
it's
I,
think
that's
an
open
and
that's
an
open
question.
For
you
know
it's
to
the
question
of
compatibility.
P
So
let
me
ask
you
this:
on
overnight
boarding
kenneling,
whatever
terminology
we
want
to
use
towards
keeping
dogs
overnight.
U
P
P
U
U
P
U
U
Based
on
how
the
applicant
is
presented,
what
they're
doing
and
the
control
that
they
have
over
these
animals
they're
training,
these
animals
dog
groomers,
have
you
been
to
work?
I
mean
they
bark
they
carry
on,
they
howl
I
mean
so
they're
I
mean
yes,
I
can
say
that
I
think
that
these
are
probably
equivalent.
You
know,
but
again,
I'm.
You
know
I'm
going
to
defer
to
the
applicant
to
make
their
case
here.
Okay,.
U
P
Of
the
things
that
have
been
said
versus
the
true
definition
of
these
things,
that's
and.
U
U
A
I
just
have
one
question
on
on
this
section:
72
of
the
Land
Development
code
I
understand
how
you're
kind
of
weaving
it
together
and
everything
that's
fine,
but
on
the
the
on
the
conditional
use
now
on
these
I,
don't
know
whether
you
would
call
them
guidelines
or
requirements
in
this
72.
Are
they?
Are
they
hard
requirements
or
are
they
guidelines?
I.
U
E
A
Are
not,
but
what
you're
saying
is
it
because
of
the
way
it
was?
It
was
again
woven
into
this
application,
this
72
versus
the
transect
or
the
smart
code.
It's
it's
fair
to
consider
those
as
part
of
this
review.
I.
A
Okay,
alrighty,
that's
all
I
have.
Are
there
any
other
questions
from
Ms
Vincent?
This
is
the
last
chance
you're
going
to
get
to
ask
her
questions.
Excuse.
U
K
M
T
That
I
would
I
assume
that
what
Regina
Kardash
was
saying
is
that
there
was
nothing
else
in
the
code
that
was
applicable
other
than
when
you
look
at
this
section,
something
similar
to
what
the
request
was
so
I
think
that's
the
guidelines
that
she
was
probably
looking
at
to
try
to
give
some
understanding
as
to
what
the
codes
require.
In
these
circumstances,
there's
obviously
nothing
exactly
under
the.
E
T
T
I
I,
don't
think
it
can
be
looked
at
as
a
requirement
because
it
doesn't
it's
not
really
what
they're
asking
for
you
don't
have
anything
in
the
codes
that
meets
what
they're
asking
for.
So
there
is
some
interpretation
involved
in
this
that
the
applicant
still
has
the
burden
to
show
you
that
it
meets
your
requirements.
M
U
Here,
noise
is
noise.
You
do
not
get
a
walk
at
any
point
in
time
from
the
noise
ordinance
so
in
nuisance
ordinance,
so
that
can
be
enforced
through
code
enforcement,
while
I
have
the
opportunity.
You
know,
I
would
say
that
you
may,
if
you,
if
you're
get
to
the
point
of
where
you're
trying
to
make
a
motion
for
approval,
you
may
also
want
to
consider
a
specific
condition.
U
That
said
that,
specifically
that
says
that
you
know
if
there
are
documented
excessive
noise
odor
or
anything
of
that
nature,
that
the
Board
of
Commissioners
documented
that
can
be
returned
to
the
Board
of
Commissioners.
For
for
revocation
I
mean
you
have
the
ability,
I
think
to
put
a
condition
like
that
on
here
to
to
capture
that
I
think
you
could
do
it
without
it,
but
I
think
a
condition
makes
it
very
clear.
All.
A
You
I'm
sorry
for
the
others
and
then,
if
that
conditional
use
were
to
be
violated
and
the
condition
revoked,
the
training
facility
could
continue
as
a.
A
Okay,
bye
right!
Okay,
thank
you.
Let's
see
the
applicant
is
here
if
you'd
like
to
come
up
forward
and
state
your
name
and
address,
please.
A
Now
the
only
thing
the
only
question
I
have
is:
do
you
have
any
questions
concerning
what
Mrs
Vinson
had
said?
Not
your
presentation,
but
any
questions
for
Ms
Vinson
in
terms
of
her
testimony.
AE
A
AE
A
Changed
as
far
as
the
presentation,
let
me,
if
you
don't
mind,
I'm
gonna
you're
done
with
everything
that
you've
got
to
say
at
this
point.
That's
that's
fine!
I'm
going
to
go
to
the
commission
for
questions
Vice
Maryland.
Do
you
have
any
questions
for
the
applicant
I
actually
do.
M
How
do
you
feel
about
the
possibility
of
10
dogs
being
stored
in
crates
within
the
space?
That's
at
dogging
I'm,
you
know
I'm
not
going
to
say
you're,
obviously,
probably
not
going
to
put
kennels
in
the
wash
room,
you're
not
going
to
put
them
in
the
in
the
lobby,
so
we
know
they're
going
into
that
room
there.
How
do
you
feel
about
that.
AE
So
that's
a
great
question:
I've
been
in
this
business
for
a
long
time,
mainly
having
a
large
number
of
dogs,
so
I've
gone
from
large
numbers
of
dogs,
60
70
80
a
day
to
now
a
very
intricate
one-on-one
training
type
of
environment,
so
I
feel
really
good
about
it.
Actually,
there
are
multiples
of
those
areas,
I
everybody
who
looks
at
that
crate
stacked
on
top
of
the
other.
AE
M
AE
AE
M
About
dogs
I
know
about
crates,
I
know
how
they
react
and
and
I'm
just
my
concern
is
for
the
dogs
at.
AE
M
Okay,
so
I've
actually
heard
good
things
from
your
neighbors
I.
M
AE
AE
AE
M
Todd,
when
you
train
your
dogs,
there's
a
limited
rear
facility
that
I'm,
assuming
you
go
through
through
standard
training
methodology
with
do
you
do
it
singly
or
with
other
dogs,
or
does
it
depend
on
what
you're
trying
to
accomplish
yeah.
AE
So
this
business
is
huge,
it's
very,
very
mm-hmm
needed.
There
are
a
lot
of
people
who
have
adopted
a
lot
of
dogs.
Out
of
you,
know
the
local
Humane
Societies
and
they
get
them
home
and
the
dog
is
tearing
up
the
house.
You
know
making
a
mess
on
their
floors
chewing
the
furniture
can't
take
it
on
leash
and
the
evolution
of
the
pet
dog
has
changed
dramatically.
AE
If
somebody
would
have
told
me
15
20
years
ago
that
somebody
would
have
paid
me
to
babysit
their
dog
during
the
day
for
a
Doggy
Daycare,
you
know
I
would
have
looked
at.
You
like
you,
were
crazy,
so
and
I
bought
and
really
produce
a
very
high
quality,
the
only
one
in
this
area
off
of
19
in
Curlew.
AE
AE
My
dog
is
not
only
tired
but
they're,
listening
better,
so
I,
don't
know
what
you're
doing,
but
if
you
could
keep
doing
it
so
after
I
sold
the
business
I
really
wasn't
sure
that
I
wanted
to
be
in
the
dog
business
anymore.
I
have
a
corporate
background,
so
I
have
a
business
background,
but
my
family
I
grew
up
were
horse
trainers
and
dog
trainers.
AE
So
I
spend
a
lot
of
hours
with
these
dogs
and
they
do
need
to
be
crate
trained
for
many
reasons,
an
injury
you
know
being
overnight
at
somebody.
A
sitter's
home,
you
know
all
of
these
things.
The
dog
has
to
learn
how
to
be
crated,
it's
not
uncommon
and
so
to
be
able
to
go
through
that
process
and
be
on
site
24
hours
a
day
with
that
process.
The
dogs
at
the
end
of
the
day
are
so
tired
because
they've
been
in
training
off
and
on
all
day
long.
AE
That
they're,
like
a
few
people,
will
just
turn
off
the
lights,
and
let
us
go
to
sleep,
we'd
really
appreciate
it
so
and
I'm
there
going,
you
know,
are
you
making
any
noise?
Are
you
okay
and
they're,
like
they're
zonked
out
on
their
sides,
just
passed
out
so
while
I
appreciate
you
know
everybody's
concerned
about
the
noise?
There's
truly
no
noise
I
mean
there
just
isn't
do.
AE
Plan
I
do
yeah,
we've
been
practicing
so
that
building
was
needed,
some
beautification,
so
we
have
I
put
it
back
in
like
a
house
after
I
sold,
my
business
in
2019
I
started
training
out
of
my
home
in
Ozona,
so
I
really
enjoy
that
aspect,
and
it
really
helped
me
form
a
niche
in
this
business
that
I
can
help
a
dog
get
through
the
process
of
a
doorbell
ringing.
AE
You
know
of
your
mother-in-law
or
your
grandmother
coming
home
and
not
jumping
on
you
know
and
causing
all
of
those
headaches
that
people
don't
want
so
I
have
staff
and
we've
all
intermittently
figured
out.
Even
if
the
neighborhood
is
you
know,
is
good
at
10
o'clock
at
night
at
two
o'clock
in
the
morning.
What
goes
on?
AE
You
know,
you
don't
know
unless
you're
there,
so
you
know
I've
got
dogs
of
my
own
and
I
know
that
I
could
have
10
dogs
at
my
house
right
here
across
the
street
right
now,
there's
no
ordinance
ordinance
for
anybody
having
any
certain
number
of
dogs,
so
I
could
personally
buy
a
house
and
have
10
dogs
in
the
yard.
Yeah.
M
I
could
stand
you
can
all
right
so
back
to
the
overnight
monitoring.
Are
you
going
to
monitor
them
or
somebody
actually
going
to
be.
M
I
understand
is:
are
you're
okay,
with
the
Veterinary
on
call
requirement
to.
AE
E
P
My
only
question
I
have
for
you
and
I.
Don't
know
how
you're
going
to
answer
this
I
I.
Well,
maybe
I
do
know
how
you're
going
to
answer
it.
I,
don't
know
how
you're
going
to
keep
the
dogs
quiet
and
we
have
a
situation
where
we
have
people
over
at
Santos
Isles
who
don't
know
this
is
even
going
on
so
I,
don't
know,
I'm
not
adverse
to
your
training
at
all
and
I.
Just
don't
know
how
to
keep
dogs
quiet.
Not
just
me
personally.
P
AE
AE
Yeah
I'm
training
this
dog
off
and
on
all
day
long
when
the
night
time
comes
and
it's
and
that's
that's
really.
The
concern
is
the
the
overnight
lodging
because
so
we're
there.
So
dogs
do
not
start
in
unison,
hey
bud,
you
want
to
bark
and
then
all
of
a
sudden
they
start
doing
that.
These
dogs
literally
have
gone
through
the
a
structured
which
they've
never
been
in
before
so
they're.
AE
Now
in
structure,
they're
on
a
schedule,
they
I
clock,
probably
10
to
12
miles
around
these
streets
a
day
with
these
dogs
every
day,
I
beat
it
up
and
down
the
streets.
So
you,
if
you
haven't
seen
me,
you
probably
will,
because
my
staff
and
I
are.
We
have
multiple
dogs
and
you
know
we're
going
up
and
down
the
streets,
doing
it
in
a
down
in
a
Sit,
just
visually
participating,
it's
mental
stimulation.
AE
So
it's
not
like
a
dog
in
the
back
yard
who
doesn't
have
any
interaction,
it's
truly
a
different
type
of
mental
stimulation
as
well
as
physical,
so
I.
We
just
don't
have
it.
How.
P
Long,
do
you
expect
to
keep
dorgay
comes
in?
How
long
does
that
dog
stay
with
you.
AE
I'm,
just
I'm
going
to
tell
you
I,
don't
have
any
barking
problems.
It
is
one
of
the
least
problems
I.
It
gets
under
control
right
away
because
they're
not
around
other
dogs.
There
are
other
dogs
that
have
been
in
that
process
and
once
that
dog
gets
introduced
to,
let's
say
a
dog,
that's
been
in
the
program:
dogs
teach
each
other
and
they're.
No
one
dog
is
left
for
any
period
of
time
alone,
so
that
the
Barking
would
begin
and
then
not
be
addressed.
P
So
there's
no
formula
that
you
have
and
these
dogs
can
be
with
you
three
weeks
or
more
when.
AE
You
say
formula
yeah,
the
formula
is
we're
up
at
you
know
early
in
the
morning,
the
dog,
you
know,
relieves
himself
while
he's
with
the
supervision,
so
there's
no
barking,
then
the
dog
comes
back
in
the
dog
gets
fed.
The
dog
then
goes
back
out
again
with
supervision.
Typically
on
leash.
All
of
these
dogs
I
mean
it's
it's
kind
of
like
boot
camp.
It's
not
just
run
amok
and
go
have
a
big
time,
and
you
know
no
one
knows
what
you're
doing
or
how
you're
doing
it.
AE
So
it's
kind
of
like
classes
being
held
when
the
teacher
says
it's
enough,
it's
enough,
and
and
if
not,
then
we
work
the
dog
so
that
the
dog
can
understand
that
you
know
we
go
from
alert.
Barking
is
one
thing:
nuisance
barking
is
completely
another,
and
so
if
a
dog
is
barking,
it
gets
addressed
immediately.
So
I
want
to
know
why
the
dog
is
barking,
and
so,
if
the
dog
begins
barking,
then
we
address
and-
and
we
squash
the
the
problem
of
why
it
thinks
it
should
be
barking.
AE
I
met
a
lot
of
them,
they're
super
great.
They
think
our
dogs
are,
like
your
dogs,
always
seem
so
smart.
So
yes
and
I've
spoken
with
Hannah,
who
is
the
on-site
manager?
There
and
I,
was
very
clear
about
what
we
do
and
I'm
a
you
know,
we're
always
open
for
any
comments.
Concerns
addresses
will
will
take
care
of
it.
O
K
O
Ma'am,
you
said
there
are
multiple
trainers
at
the
facility.
Yes,
including
yourself,
Brett.
What
credentials
do
you
need
to
be
a
dog
trainer.
AE
That's
a
great
question,
so
anybody
I
guess
could
go
around
calling
themselves
a
dog
trainer
I
am
Affiliated
and
associated
with
the
American
Association
of
canine
professionals.
Typically,
you
spend
hours
and
hours
and
hours
and
hours
with.
AE
Animals
of
some
sort,
I
have
a
college
educated,
individual
who's
with
me,
who
did
her
internship
at
Lowry,
Park
Zoo?
That
type
of
animal
training
is
very
different
than
it
is
the
type
of
dog
training
that
we
do,
and
so
there
are
many
educational
pieces
and
there
are
different
sides
of
the
fence
on
the
type
of
training
that
gets
done.
I
come
from
a
long
background
of
canine
police
work,
but
I
pet
dog
train.
AE
O
Okay
and
now
I
looked
over
the
back
up,
the
the
dogs
will
be
housed
inside,
and
so
you
can
only
as
a
service
that
you're
providing
for
dog
training.
You
can
really
only
have
them
at
that
facility,
a
Max
of
10
dogs
at
any
point
in
time.
Correct.
Yes,.
O
Okay
and
the
noise
seems
to
be
an
issue,
you
know
with
the
board,
and
you
know.
O
Dogs
are
like
people,
we
can
be
stressed
at
times,
and
you
know
being
changed
in
our
environments.
I
I
like
to
think
that
is
there
certain
initial
point
when
the
dogs
start
training,
where
they
may
be
a
little
bit
unsettled
or
stressed
because
of
the
sudden
change
in
environment
and
boot
camp,
that's
being
you
know,
presented
to
them
initially
and.
AE
That's
a
good
question.
So
yes-
and
we
kind
of
take
advantage
of
that
stress
because
the
dog
doesn't
know
what
they
don't
know-
oftentimes
we'll
do
five
weeks
worth
of
training
and
clients
home
to
get
the
dog
prepared
to
come
and
stay
with
us.
So
we
do
once
a
week
in
their
home
for
five
weeks
and
then
we
take
it
to
the
next
level
of
intensity
for
the
type
of
training
that
the
client
wants.
AE
So
typically,
a
dog
is
dropped
off
at
our
facility,
we're
at
my
home
for
the
longest
time
and
then
I
get
the
dog
underway
in
training.
So
I
start
leash
handling
skills
right
away,
so
the
dog
will
come
with
some
Port
of
foundation.
They
can
sit,
they
can
down,
they
can
do
those
things
and
then
I
I
start
working.
The
dog.
O
Okay-
and
you
briefly
described
different
types
of
training,
can
you
just
any
type
of
training
you
can
think
of
that
you
will
be
doing
with
these
dogs?
Can
you
tell
us
now.
AE
K
O
None
of
that's
done
at
the
facility.
No
okay
and
commissioner
Eiser
brought
up
a
couple
questions
regarding.
You
know
the
length
certain
types
of
training
can
take
and
you
were
able
to
elaborate
on
that.
O
The
overnight
supervision,
so
there's
going
to
be
an
individual
who's.
Staying
there
sleeping
there
every
night
is
that
a
rotation.
AE
I,
don't
think
my
clients
would
have
it
any
other
way,
a
lot
of
clients
there's
a
particular
gentleman
here
and
his
wife.
He
has
two
Shepherds
and
they
sent
their
dog
out
for
training
and
when
he
dropped
off
the
dog
he's
like
I
had
no
idea.
Nobody
was
going
to
be
there
at
that
facility.
You
know
he
didn't
know,
and
so
I've
been
doing
this
long
enough
and
I've
cared
four
dogs,
a
large
number
of
dogs
in
the
daycare
environment,
grooming
as
well
as
lodging
and
my
other.
AE
O
A
Okay,
I
was
going
to
ask
you,
do
you
say
you
have
a
dog
I.
E
P
Ahead,
how
many,
how
much
staff
do
you
have.
AE
So
my
husband
likes
to
say
that
I'm,
the
inspiration
he's
the
perspiration,
so
he
manages
all
the
needs
of
the
facility
we've
upgraded.
The
fencing
was
in
pretty
poor
state,
so
we
did
all
of
that.
We've
updated
all
of
the
backyard
Landscaping
to
be
outdoor
Turf
for
the
dogs,
so
he's
kind
of
the
maintenance
guy
and
before
a
dog
goes
home,
I
hand
the
dog
to
him
to
say.
If
you
can
walk
it,
then
it's
ready
to
go
home
because
he
is
not
a
dog
trainer.
AE
So
if
he
comes
and
brings
the
dog
back-
and
he
says
no-
it's
not
ready
yet
then
I
know
we
have
more
work
to
do.
The
other
two
staff
Kaylee
is
and
I
have
worked
together
since
2016,
and
then
we
hired
an
individual
before
I
sold
the
company.
She
too
has
been
I,
don't
know
four
years
donating
all
of
her
time
to
the
local
Humane
Society
and
then
began
working
with
us
and
she's
now
with
us
full-time,
and
she
will
be
our
house
manager
who
will
be
on
site.
P
AE
Know
a
lot
of
the
high
profile
trainers,
I've
trained
with
since
the
80s,
and
it's
it's
really
referral
business.
I,
don't
advertise
I
do
nothing!
Everything
is
word
of
mouth.
If
you
Google
me,
you
can
find
me.
I
have
all
very
good
reviews,
even
in
my
previous
business
of
Doggy
Daycare,
which
I
would
never
do
again.
AE
So
this
is
really
that
next
level
of
income
earning
professional
delivery
of
some
pet
care
services,
where
families
really
want
to
take
the
time
with
their
pet
to
the
next
level.
And
if
you
treat
a
dog
like
a
kid,
you
often
don't
get
the
results
you're
looking
for
you,
so
you
start
looking
for
help
and
there
is
all
kinds
of
help
out
there.
I
usually
am
the
person
who
I
say.
Have
you
gone
to
this
person?
Have
you
gone
to
that
person?
P
So
let
me
explain
to
you
why
I'm
asking
the
question
and
I
will
also
clarify
another
question
with
it,
so
your
husband
is
a
Hands-On
guy,
but
not
a
trainer
right.
The
other
two
people
that
you
have
on
your
staff.
In
your
words,
then
our
trainers
either.
They
just
have
some
experience
but
in
addition,
you're
also
explaining
to
us
that
there
is
25
24
hour
Hands-On
service
you're,
also
explaining
to
us
that
you
do
a
lot
of
your
training
on
site.
P
P
I
know
you
feel
like
that,
but
you
just
explained
to
me
that
you're,
not
so,
even
though
you
I
I
need
you
to
try
to.
You
know
convince
me
how
your
training
is
going
to
keep
dogs,
quiet,
24,
7,
because
you're
not
going
to
sleep
there,
24
7.,
you
will
have
other
people
sleeping
there
and
if
their
training
is
not
up
to
your
standard,
how
do
you
present
to
this
board
that
you're
going
to
stop
The
Barking
or
the
noise
or
the
the
many
issues
that
could
come
up.
AE
So
our
training
that
we're
doing
now-
we've
been
there
since
since
September
doing
training.
So
there
are
dogs
there
going
through
the
process
that
people
see
us
out
there
with
them.
I
would
say
to
you
that
the
other
two
staff
that
I
do
have
they
are.
They
are
training
they
have
been,
especially
the
the
younger
of
the
two
of
us
has
has
been
trained
by
the
humane
society
and
how
to
handle
a
dog
how
to
quiet
a
dog,
how
to
apply
first
aid
to
a
dog
and
then
running
my
facility.
AE
They
also
went
through
training
in
order
to
care
for
pets
in
that
type
of
environment.
So,
if
I'm
I
don't
want
to
mislead
you
to
think
these
people
don't
have
training,
they
do
have
training.
AE
They
do
and
they're
we
have
Sops,
so
we
have
standards
in
which
every
one
of
us
operate
in
the
same
caliber.
AE
So
there's
no
deficiency
in
one
person
not
being
able
to
to
provide
a
deliverable
based
on
our
what
our
standards
are.
So
I,
yes,
you're
right,
I'm
not
going
to
be
there
24
hours
a
day,
but
I
am
there
seven
days
a
week
and
I.
AE
Am
there
all
waking
hours
and
so
there
my
my
assessment
of
their
ability
to
meet
our
standards
has
gone
very,
very
well
and
if,
whatever
this
imposition
of
I
can't
transfer
it
or
somebody
else
can't
buy
the
business
or
whatever
you
know,
my
neck
is
the
one
who's
on
the
line
and
making
sure
those
things
are
done.
How.
AE
AE
No
and
I'll
have
mine,
I'll
bring
mine,
they
will
bring
theirs.
I
really
wanted
to
get
an
idea
about
what
it's
like
there
overnight.
You
know
whether
there's
I
mean
you
know
it's,
it's
it's
a
mixed-use
area,
so
there
are
people
up
and
down
the
streets
at
two
o'clock
in
the
morning,
and
you
know
those
were
my
concerns
and
safety
and
those
type
of
things.
So
so
far,
so
good,
it's
been
great,
I
mean
I.
I.
AE
P
AE
A
great
question
so
I
probably
have
a
half
million
dollars
in
this
business
in
this
building
and
my
option
after
a
very
long
conversation,
a
meeting
with
zoning
and
planning
prior
and
getting
here
you
know,
I
would
prefer
to
be
able
to
do
the
overnight,
because
the
the
care
that
you
can
give
and
I
do
field
trips.
Now,
let's
take
let's.
Let's
use
that
for
an
example
not
to
change
points,
but
yes,
I
can
yes,
I
can
make
a
living.
AE
You
know,
but
I
I
own
other
property
in
the
Gainesville
area,
so
we
set
up
a
whole
facility
there,
where
dogs
do
field
trips
so
I'll
take
you
know:
7
10,
14
dogs,
at
a
time
on
my
motorhome
and
we'd
go
up
there
and
we'll
stay
up
there
a
long
weekend,
so
that
we
can
develop
a
more
relationship
specific
with
those
animals
so
that
they
can
come
back
and
live
in
an
environment
and
they're
much
more
in
tune
with
what
it's
supposed
to
look
like
in
somebody's
home.
A
I
think
you've
been
asked
many
many
many
questions,
I'm
not
sure
I
can
find
anything
to
to
do
my
duty.
I
we've
we've
talked
about
the
various
types
that.
N
A
You
talked
about
the
various
types
of
training
requiring
overnight
boarding
and
the
amount
of
time
is
there
any
type
of
day
boarding
that
I'm
sorry
day,
training
that
occurs
there
that
didn't
does
not
require
any
boarding
at
night.
Yeah.
AE
So
for
clients
who
have
already
gone
through
training,
the
dog
is
smarter
when
they
go
home
than
before.
They
got
to
me.
The
parent
is
usually
lacking
in
skill
on
how
to
hold
that
dog
accountable
and
how
to
what
we
call
Drive
the
dog
to
those
obedient
skills.
That
they've
learned
because
follow
through
is
everything
holding
the
dog
accountable
is
everything,
and
so,
while
that
client
is
learning
how
to
do
that,
then
the
dog
will
come
for
what
we
call
a
maintenance
day.
So
they'll
come
and
they'll
spend
the
day.
AE
We
keep
the
dog
on
track
and
drive
the
dog
all
day.
Long
make
sure
the
leash
skills
are
going
as
they
should
that
they're
in
a
formal
heel.
You
know
and
they're
not
doing
all
those
other
things
that
we've
trained
out
of
them,
while
we're
holding
the
helping
the
parent
we
go
to
the
parents
house
once
a
week.
So
it's
a
balance
of
going
to
the
parents
home
and
having
the
dog
at
our
facility
make
sure
the
dog
doesn't
fall
off.
A
You're
you're
just
training,
you
have
training
by
right
at
the
location.
Notwithstanding
the
overnight
stay,
would
you
could
you
kind
of
guess,
as
far
as
the
number
of
dogs
that
you
may
have
there
during
the
day,
not
with
I
know
that
we're
talking
about
it's.
AE
A
Or
all
right,
I
know
that
you
do
I
mean
I
I.
Don't
think
that
it's
just
people
view
you.
Whoever
brings
you
your
dog,
their
dog
is
going
to
be
you
as
a
resource
and
and
I
would
suspect
you
being
a
a
person
that
loves
dogs.
Do
you
have
any
associations
with
adoption
services
or
anything
I'm.
AE
AE
Yeah
I
work
with
a
German
Shepherd
rescue
I
work
with
Suncoast
Animal
League,
who's
close
by
and
I'm
known
as
one
of
the
very
few
people
who
will
handle
a
dog
who
may
not
be
the
nicest
in
the.
A
World,
okay,
yeah,
that's
good!
That's
I
was
just
wanting
to
try
and
get
an
understanding
of
how
you
would
fit
in
with
the
community
other
than
just
a
business
which
that
is
very
important
to
me.
Okay,
that's
all
the
the
questions.
I
have
I
know
everybody
had
a
many
other
questions.
Do
any
of
the
Commissioners
have
any
other
questions
for
the
applicant
okay.
A
So
what
we're
going
to
do
now
is
go
to
public
comments.
Are
there
any
public
comments?
Please
come
forward.
Y
Y
There
was
more
noise
when
the
dog
robot
was
there
when
they
would
let
the
dogs
in
the
backyard
while
they
would
dry
off
because
they
didn't
like
the
crates
or
whatever,
for
whatever
reason,
we
have
had
zero
complaints
with
our
dogs
and,
like
she
said,
I,
don't
know
if
you've
all
gone
to
first
Friday
and
things
she
is
out,
walking
the
streets
every
single
day,
no
issues
with
any
of
the
dogs,
I
I,
don't
understand,
I,
don't
understand
the
issues
and
my
my
one
concern
is
Mr.
Is
it
Eisner
I'm
sorry,
I?
Can't
commission.
Y
Mr
Eisner,
when
you
said,
do
you
store
a
dog?
We
don't
store
dogs
dogs
aren't
stored,
so
I.
Don't
that
breaks
my
heart
when
you
say
that
as
a
dog
owner,
my
dog
stays
in
a
crate
at
night,
it's
for
his
safety
too.
He
loves
his
bed,
it's
a
place
where
they
go
they're
comfortable
there.
It's
not
a
bad
thing
to
be
stored.
Y
J
J
J
Now
the
other
thing
something
that
wasn't
pointed
out,
that
I
think
might
be
helpful,
you're
talking
about
the
seniors
next
door
at
Santos,
you
ever
drive
by
there.
Sometimes
during
the
afternoon
you
see
some
old.
Ladies
or
some
people
walking
their
dogs
right
next
door.
They
got
somewhere
to
help
them
train
their
animals.
J
J
J
J
J
You
already
proved
spun
City,
you
prove
this.
Maybe
this
stuff
is
the
catalyst
that
revitalizes
some
of
this
area.
You
have
two
different
individuals,
two
different
groups
coming
from
out
of
town
but
nearby
and
have
to
say
Palm.
Harbor
is
not
that
far.
So,
if
there's
an
issue,
I'm
sure
is
it
Andrea
Andrea
would
have
no
problem.
Responding.
J
L
Hi
I'm
Kaylee
224
Countryside
Key
Boulevard
in
Oldsmar
I,
have
worked
with
Andrea
for
a
very
long
time.
I've
also
known
her
for
a
very
long
time.
I
know
her
family
very,
very
well,
very,
very
lovely
and
sweet
people.
I've
also
worked
with
animals
for
a
very,
very
long
time
and
I
know
the
difference
between
a
kennel
and
what
special
place
that
she
is
trying
to
put
together.
It's
very
structured,
it's
very
calm.
L
You
know
a
very
limited
amount
of
dogs
and
we
work
with
them
in
and
out
of
the
day
constantly
and
so
I
think
this
is
a
really
special
place.
I
want
to
thank
you
for
welcoming
us
to
the
city.
I
know
this
been
a
difficult
case,
but
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
and
I
think
we'll
do
a
great
job
and
hold
accountable
for
sure.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Q
F
Yes,
sweeties
can
I
be
heard.
Yes,
all
right,
thank
you.
It's
Robert,
rockline,
755,
North,
Lake,
Boulevard,
sorry
I
had
to
lead
the
meeting
earlier.
There
was
a
lot
of
stuff.
I
was
online.
The
whole
time
I
just
want
to
offer
a
little
individual
perspective
here
as
a
dog
owner
for
I
hate
to
admit
over
55
years,
and
also
an
employee
is
an
adoption
services
manager
at
the
largest
no-kill
shelter
in
the
United
States.
For
over
two
years,
dogs
will
bark
and
it's
what
the
people
do
about.
F
It
is
sometimes
it's
the
people
that
need
the
training,
not
the
dogs,
so
I
live
in
a
very
tight
Community.
Now
the
tightest
I've
ever
lived
in
my
life,
even
growing
up
in
in
Queens
up
in
New
York.
We
have
about
15
feet
between
dwellings
here
and
the
majority
of
owners
out
of
the
122
long
homes
have
dogs
and,
if
they're
outside
you'll
hear
them
bark,
because
it's
a
fairly
quiet
area.
F
F
So
if
the
dogs
are
outside
and
my
dogs
are
outside,
they
may
respond
and
I
hear
other
people's
dogs
barking
all
the
time
and
they
are
usually
quieted
in
a
very
brief
period.
That's
what
responsible
people
do
so
the
fact
that
you
do
have
a
noise
well
to
all
properties
and
oil
uses,
and
it's
a
it's
a
tool.
Should
there
be.
F
You
know
some
negative
impact
which
I
I
don't
anticipate
in
this
I
I
I,
don't
like
to
be
predictive,
I,
don't
like
to
say
a
dog
will
bark
until
it
does
and
then,
of
course
you
know,
that's
reasonable
babies,
cry
dogs,
walk,
buy
wine
with
my
back
and
my
knees
sometimes,
but
it's
controlled
and
it's
reasonable
so
based
on
the
fact
that
I
am
wall
to
wall
with
dogs
in
this
community
and
yet
suffer
zero
impact
from
that
and
I
may
be
somewhat
partial
because
I've
been
a
dog
owner
and
I've
worked
with
dogs.
F
I,
don't
predict
that
this
will
be
a
you
know.
An
impact
or
a
factor
in
in
this
type
of
use,
I
have
to
agree
with
Mr
velagus's
statement.
Just
before
you
know
you
approve
the
use
next
door.
The
outside
overhang
is
likely
to
be
used,
for
you
know
a
music
player
on
a
rainy
day.
Normally
they
try
to
project
back
to
the
building,
but
you
get
some
reflective.
You
know
noise
reverberating
from
that.
F
It's
the
other
building
is
so
far
away
that
I
really
and
if
it's,
if
it
is
aged
people,
maybe
they
may
be
like
myself,
a
little
less
able
to
hear
the
noises
that
they
used
to
I.
I,
really,
don't
think
that
there's
going
to
be
impact
here
and
I,
don't
think
there's
going
to
be
impact
from
the
brewery
too,
because
I
think
they're
going
to
be
responsive
to
the
community
and
they
want
to
participate,
be
involved
and
join
us
they're,
not
against
us.
A
You
Mr
Rockland,
okay,
Mr
jump.
Any
other
comments.
A
Does
the
applicant
everything
was
positive
and
you
have
a
chance
to
rebut
anything
that
you
disagree
with
what
you
heard
I,
wouldn't
assume
you
don't
have
any
rebuttal
Ms
Vincent.
Do
you
have
any
closing
or
summation
that
you
would
like
to
make.
U
A
You,
okay,
all
right.
So
what
we're
going
to
do
is
close
the
public
hearing
and
the
next
is
to
go
to
commission
comments
and
and
give
the
Commissioners
an
opportunity
to
to
discuss
this
further
before
we
make
any
kind
of
a
motion
so
freshman
or
Lunt.
You
started
off
with
some
pretty
good
questions.
What
are
your
thoughts?
You
know.
M
In
other
words,
we
haven't
categorized
this
yet
I'm
a
little
nervous
about
whether
it
really
follows
72
or
whether
it
really
Falls
to
transact
I've
spoken
to
some
of
the
neighbors
personally
I
haven't
found
anybody
saying
this
is
a
bad
thing,
even
in
the
daytime,
I'm
kind
of
a
trust
and
verified
guy
I'd
like
to
go
along
with
the
motion
with
the
conditions
placed
upon
it
by
the
planning
and
voting
board
and
with
the
additional
condition
that
would
be
revocable
based
on
excess
noise
violations,
except
that
I,
don't
know
how
to
classify
excess
noise
violations
may
be
major.
A
A
T
Have
a
couple
thoughts,
one
is
that
obviously
it
could
be
handled
as
a
nuisance
issue
which
we
would
take
through
code
enforcement.
We
could
put
a
provision,
but
it's
hard
to
craft,
that
particular
language
tonight,
because
it
would
be
I
mean
how
many
nuisances.
When
do
we
determine
what
is
a
an
adequate
nuisance
of
finding
a
lot
of
times?
Chief
will
tell
you
that
they
can
go
out
and
to
a
noise
complaint
and
by
the
time
they
get
there.
There
is
no
noise.
M
All
right
so,
barring
that
I'm
I'm
going
to
say,
I'm
going
to
go
along
with
this,
with
the
conditions
placed
on
a
bike
planning
and.
R
Yeah,
thank
you
to
the
applicant
for
the
detailed
information
there's
a
significant
amount
of
data
that
you
provided
significant
amount
of
data
and
I
think
you
proved
that
this
isn't
just
a
normal
kennel
and
it's
just
not
a
normal
training
facility
either.
So
I
appreciate
the
due
diligence
and
the
amount
of
effort
that
you
put
in
behind
this
I
thought.
You
answered
the
questions
great
from
the
board's
perspective.
I
think
you
guys
have
had
some
really
good
questions
overall
and
trying
to
figure.
R
It's
not
a
straightforward
condition,
so
I
understand
the
questions.
I
understand
the
the
going
back
and
forth
and
I
think
it's
a
good
sign
that
you
guys
are
putting
the
practice
kind
of
some
of
the
things
that
are
I,
guess
learning
some
of
the
different
things
that
are
happening
on
the
board
and
I
would
commend
you
on
that.
R
So
with
that
I
think
it's
I
think
they've
met
this.
It's
not
a
super
clear.
Is
there
a
training?
Is
there
a
overnight
boarding
what
training
stipulations
and
the
in
this
I
think
it's
something
that's
important
to
understand
is
that
it's
a
conditional
use
and
so
conditional
uses
can
be
pulled
back
and
that's
something
I
think
I
don't
know.
Maybe
you
mentioned
it.
May
I
can't
remember
who
mentioned
it,
but
that's
an
important
facet
to
understand
in
the
situation
with
this
with
this
piece
of
property.
R
If
there's
multiple
complaints
because
of
dog
barkings
or
something
along
those
lines,
the
city,
staff
or
I'm
sorry,
code
enforcement
through
the
police
department
would
probably
notify
the
city
manager
and
notifying
a
planning
department.
And
then
there
would
be
some
type
of
process
in
place
and
at
that
point,
to
figure
it
out.
So,
with
this
I'm
happy
to
make
a
motion
to
move
forward
and
approve
this
tonight,.
P
You
mayor
first
thing
I
did
want
to
do
is
I
did
want
to
make
a
clarification,
there's
a
major
difference
between
approving
a
beer
location
where
people
are
drinking
till
whatever
time
and
they
can
be
told
to
keep
quiet.
The
dog
is
a
little
more
difficult
to
keep
quiet,
but
I
have
no
issues
with
the
training
part
of
this
whatsoever.
I
do
have
I
have
trepidations
about
approving
10
dogs.
P
I
know
we
keep
speaking
about
approving
it,
a
conditional
approval
and
being
able
to
pull
it
back.
I
come
from
the
opposite
and
I
would
like
to
go
to
approve
it
with
lesser
amount
of
dogs
and
seeing
that
they
could
come
back
before
us.
If
there's
no
issues
to
add
to
that,
to
make
sure
I
prefer
to
take
the
baby
steps
rather
than
take
10
dogs
and
put
it
in
that
situation.
P
I
wasn't
fully
comfortable
with
I'm,
fully
comfortable
with
the
training
of
Andrea
I
had
no
issues
with
that,
but
she's
not
going
to
be
there
all
the
time
and
I
can
almost
guarantee
we're
going
to
have
issues
with
dogs.
Barking
I've
heard
every
kind
of
comment:
I
live
on
door,
I
have
my
own
dog
I,
have
dogs
next
door.
To
me,
one
starts
the
others.
P
Go
I
heard
Mr
Rockland
say
that
in
his
house
his
dogs,
don't
you
know,
there's
no,
two
dogs,
that
are
alike,
so
everybody
can
make
their
own
comment
about
what
their
dog
does.
That
doesn't
mean
anything
about
the
dogs
that
come
and
Andrew
would
have
to
agree.
She
doesn't
know
how
these
dogs
are
going
to
react,
so
I
would
prefer
if
we're
going
to
take
a
baby
step.
I
would
not
agree
to
the
10..
O
I've,
listened
to
everything
I've
been
able
to
make
my
decision
just
waiting
and
balance
all
the
information
that's
been
given
in
front
of
us
and
I'll
be
waiting
to
make
my
decision.
Thank
you.
Okay,.
A
You
know,
there's
there's
a
variety
of
ways
of
cutting
the
pie
on
this
thing
you
could,
you
could
I
think
is,
as
Vincent
gave
us
a
couple
of
suggestions
that
P
and
Z
board
has
got
some
conditions.
The
staff
gave
some
conditions
I.
Think,
commissioner
Eisner
your
idea
of
starting
off
with
slow
steps.
I,
you
know,
we've
got
our
code
enforcement
I,
you
know
I
for
me
it
we
also
heard
one
and
I
I.
Think
commissioner
Carr
recalls.
A
We
had
one
that
was
going
to
go
into
the
old
Philip,
the
host
down
there
and
and
I
think
commissioner
curioski
were
involved
in
that,
at
least
on
that
side,
and
we
I
didn't
really
have
an
appreciation
of
of
really
what
that
was
going
to
be,
unlike
what
we
heard
tonight,
I'm
very
comfortable
with
what
I
heard
tonight.
A
I'm
also
you've
invested
a
whole
lot
of
money.
It's
not
like
you're,
renting
that
if
things
go
bad,
you
can
walk
away.
So
you've
invested
a
whole
lot
of
money.
That's
a
big
factor
to
me
and
then
also
the
fact
that
it's
not
transferable.
It's
to
this
applicant
that
we
have
this
evening.
So
I,
I,
don't
and
and
my
suspicion
is,
if
code
enforcement
shows
up
at
the
front
door
of
that
business,
I
think
with
the
investment
that
you
got
and
how
it
would
affect
the
bottom
line.
A
I,
don't
think
you're
going
to
allow
that
to
continue
on
with
whatever
the
problem
is.
I
mean
I.
Just
I
just
have
to
have
that
faith
in
a
business
owner
here
in
town
and
I,
also
like
the
fact
that
that
you're
willing
to
help
with
adoption
services
and
rescues
we
have
a
rescue
dog
turns
out
to
be
a
perfect
dog,
doesn't
need
any
training,
never
needed
any
training.
So,
of
course
we
waited
40
years
to
get
the
perfect
talk.
A
All
the
other
dogs,
I
can
say,
haven't
worked
out
that
well,
but
this
one
is
a
keeper
for
sure
so
and
she
started
out
as
crate
train.
It
didn't
live
too
long.
My
wife
insisted
she
doesn't
belong
there.
So
she's
got
to
run
at
the
house
anyway,
getting
back
to
the
the
main
point,
I
I'm,
going
to
support
this
I
I
just
have
earlier.
The
city
manager
and
I
had
conversations
I,
wasn't
sure
how
all
this
was
going
to
play
out.
A
I
I
would
have
felt
better
if
somebody
would
have
showed
up
from
next
door
complaining
that
this
wasn't
going
to
work
as
we
did
with
the
how
the
residential
I
know.
A
Mrs
Vincent
was
probably
put
between
a
rock
and
a
hard
place
on
this
one,
given
what
she
had
to
work
with,
and
you
know,
quite
frankly,
we
can
get
scolded,
but
quite
frankly,
I
really
appreciated
all
the
hard
hard
questions
that
this
commission
came
up
with,
because
it
kind
of
Drew
out
how
the
applicant
reacted
and
the
applicant
did
not
tell
us
what
we
wanted
to
hear.
She
answered
the
questions.
A
Many
other
applicants
tell
us
what
we
want
to
hear
and
then
we
we
wind
up
walking
away
scratching
our
head
as
far
as
the
way
that's
gonna
go
so
I'm
gonna,
you
know
bet
on
you
this
evening
that
it's
going
to
work
out
and
I'm
sure
you're
not
going
to
disappoint
Us
in
the
town
and
and
so
I
I
would
be
ready
to
entertain
unless
there's
any
other
comments.
Any
other
comments.
A
Last
call
on
commas:
I'm
going
to
entertain
a
motion
and
a
second
and
we
need
to
adopt
both
the
staff
recommendations
and
the
pnz
board
recommendations
in
that.
And
if
there
are
any
other
condition
that
a
commissioner
wishes
to
add.
A
Know
and
no
you're
right,
I
mean
I,
don't
that
was
when
we
started
out
initially
this
evening,
I
was
trying
to
figure
out
a
way
to
kind
of
Walk
This
Way
in,
but
at
this
particular,
if
there
was
somebody
that
was
showing
up
that
was
out
there
in
in
the
audience
that
questioned
what
was
going
on
here.
I
could
see
that,
but
everybody's
been
very
positive
and
it
seems
like
there's
a
great
deal
of
experience
behind
this
business.
A
It's
not
like
it's
a
hobby
that
I
want
to
make
a
you
know,
turn
it
into
a
business.
So
there's
quite
a
bit
of
an
investment
in
that
so
I
had
to
I.
Have
to
me
myself.
I
have
to
weigh
those
factors
into
this
decision
and
I
I.
Think
saying
that
we're
going
to
limit
you
to
Four
Dogs
first
and
you
have
to
come
back
I'm,
not
so
sure
that
that's.
M
A
P
A
I
understand
we'll
find
out
and
they'll.
Let
us
know
if
they,
if
the
first
of
all,
if
if
the
applicant
isn't
keeping
the
the
the
dogs
quiet
and
then
the
residents
are
upset,
we'll
start
hearing
that
and
we'll
have
to
deal
with
that,
I
understand
what
you're
saying
I'm
just
gonna
have
to
have
a
little
faith,
and
you
know
the
fact
that
this
is
a
little
bit.
This
is
as
far
as
I
can
see
a
very
above
board
applicant
and
they
were
very
direct
in
answering
the
questions
and
and
I.
A
Don't
think
she's
telling
us
everybody
is.
You
know
experienced,
and
it's
very
honest
in
that
so
I
I,
don't
know
you
I'm
sorry.
So
whatever
I
sound
like
I,
don't
know
you
so
I'm,
not
advertising
for
you,
but
that's
just
you're
based
on
your
presentation
this
evening.
So
thank
you
I'm
ready
to
entertain
a
motion
and
there
commissioneration.
If
you
want
to
add
that
on
as
a
motion
you
can
I,
don't
know
that
you'd
get
a
second,
but
it
would
be
up
to
you
to
do
that.
R
I
make
a
motion
with
staff
to
approve
with
staff
recommendations
with
the
conditions
in
an
additional
three
condition
by
conditions
by
the
Planning
and
Zoning
Board.
Okay,.
A
Is
there
a
second
second
all
right
throw
any
un
if
there
are
no
other
comments-
and
this
is
commissioner
Carr-
didn't
quite
hear
that
included
the
both
p
and
z
and
the
staff
comments.
That's.
R
R
M
A
Okay
is
that
in
Steve,
we're
done
that
ends
the
ordinances
and
resolutions
and.
A
Oh,
the
amending
the
right-of-way.
Yes,
okay.
Thank
you
very
much
item
18.
ordinance,
2023
amending
the
right-of-way
vacation,
Mr
Salzman.
If
he
could
read
that
by
title
ordinance,.
T
20
2302
an
ordinance
of
the
city
of
Tarpon
Springs
Florida,
a
mending
section,
216.00
of
article
12
of
appendix
a
the
comprehensive
zoning
and
Land
Development
code
to
re,
to
reinstate
the
requirement
for
calculation
of
the
application
fee
based
on
land
valuation,
providing
for
severability
providing
for
conflict
and
providing
for
the
effective
date
of
this
ordinance.
That
is
ordinance.
E
U
Yes,
this
is
for
the
board's
Direction
of
last
year.
We
finally
have
this
back
in
front
of
you.
This
ordinance
re-establishes
the
fee
for
vacating
right
away.
This
is
essentially
restoring
what
was
in
the
code
prior.
So
if
an
applicant
was
just
to
vacate
right-of-way,
they
will
have
to
pay
a
fee
of
50
of
the
appraised
value
of
that
right
away
to
be
vacated.
U
A
Are
there
any
public
comments
concerning
this
item
public
comments.
J
That
gives
you
8750
square
feet,
which
is
basically
equal
to
2.6
Lots,
based
on
them
having
3
500
square
feet.
They
bought
the
property
for
roughly
six
hundred
thousand
eighteen.
Lots
comes
out
to
thirty
three
thousand
three
hundred
and
thirty
three
dollars
a
lot
times.
2.66.
That's
88,
666
dollars
divide
that
in
half
forty
four
thousand
three
hundred
and
thirty
three
dollars.
That's
how
much
the
city
got
shorted
on
North,
Lake
trails
now
I
know
this
is
for
what
is
it?
216
am
I
correct
the
ordinance?
J
This
allows
you
to
have
another
criteria
that
allows
you
to
decide
whether
you
vacate
or
not,
and
the
reason
why
I
point
this
out
is
because
the
one
that
was
off
of
Bayshore
forget
the
Side
Road
they
wanted
to
vacate,
which
kind
of
I
know
it
was
denied,
but
part
of
the
reason
there
was
vacant
property
that
was
open
space
that
we
were
saying
well.
Could
we
use
it
for
something
else?
J
So
not
only
should
we
change
it
to
put
the
feedback
in,
but
maybe
we
should
also
expand
our
idea
of
what
the
public
interest
is.
Beyond,
just
access
to
the
water
is
public
interest.
Access
to
open
space
is
public
interest
access
to
maybe
a
let's
say,
a
retail
area
that
people
would
have
the
ability
to
make
passage
to
get
to
that
more
easily.
So
there's
there's
a
I
think
a
broader
view
that
can
be
taken
as
to
what
that
vacation,
giveaway
access
is
so
I
just
wanted
to
throw
that
out
to
see.
J
J
J
U
The
streets
no
and
I
mean
that
yeah.
Well,
typically,
what
happens
is
when
we
get
an
application
like
this,
when
this
was
still
in
place.
If
we
look
at
the
adjoining
property
value
and-
and
you
can
look
at
it
as
there's
a
there's-
various
appraisals-
there's
there's
a
you
know,
there's
the
tax
appraised
value,
there's
a
it's,
not
a
fair
market,
but
there's
another
there's
a
sales.
You
know.
U
That's
what
I
think
is
where
the
gray
area
is.
You
know,
I
think
the
reason
that
this
was
has
been
done,
you
know
or
the
reason
it
was
probably
the
way.
Usually
these
are
small
small
tracks
so
to
pay
the
price
to
get
an
appraisal
to
find
out
what
it
really
is.
U
U
Apparently
I
mean
I
mean
if
you
were
going
to
require
an
appraisal,
then
yes,
that
would
be
on
the
it
would
be
on
the
property
owner
the
person
seeking
the
vacation
to
to
pay
for
that.
If
that's
you
know,
if
you
want
to
change
the
methodology
on
this
to
not
look
at
this,
you
know
the
surrounding
property
values
and
come
up
with
a
calculation.
Then
yeah.
M
Sure
you
can
do
that.
I
mean
I.
Look
at
the
property
appraiser
site,
probably
more
often
than
you
would
know
it's
less
than
what
it
should
be
in
some
cases
more
than
what
it
should
be.
In
some
cases,
it's
all
over
the
board.
I
would
much
more
Trust
current
evaluation,
rather
than
be
subject
to
somebody.
I.
U
M
So
that's
that's
my
only
question
I
just
I
just
like
to
verify
who
who
values
this
and
the
fact
that
we
get
paid
for
it.
Okay,.
R
A
He
was,
he
didn't
say
it
was
illegal.
He
said
it
was
unlawful
in
the
sense
that
he
felt
that
he
could
not
defend
a
case
if
it
went
to
court
as
far
as,
if
somebody
challenged
this,
but
then
he
also
said
he
wasn't
sure
who
would
challenge
it
anyway,
so
the
whole
I
mean,
if
you
look
at
the
record,
that's
fair!
That's.
R
W
R
From
the
standpoint
I
I
understand,
it
makes
sense
that
there's
some
type
of
compensation.
It's
almost
like
you're,
giving
a
piece
of
property
to
somebody
or
you
are
technically
outside
of
the
application
fee.
So
I'm
fine
with
seeing
this
move
forward,
it's
fair
to
ask
a
question
about
an
appraisal,
cost
I
I
know
in
past
presentations
when
you
have
like
a
funny
piece
of
property
that
lays
next
to
another
piece
of
property
or
within
another
property.
There's
not
much
value
to
it.
R
Unless
you
add
it
to
a
piece
of
property,
so
that
can
somewhat
be
sometimes
a
surprise.
At
times,
I
was
surprised
a
few
times
when
I
was
when
I
found
that
out.
When
I've
looked
at
a
few
of
these
that
were
presented
before
the
board
in
the
past.
That
there's
really
not
a
whole
lot
of
value
there
unless
it's
connected
to
it
or
the
budding
property.
So
I've.
R
P
You
Mayo
I'm
sort
of
agreement
in
agreement
with
what
vice
mayor
said,
only
what
I
think
see
if
you're,
okay
with
this,
where
we
charge
accordingly
for
the
surrounding
property,
that's
adjoining
it
at
50
percent,
so
for
argument's
sake.
If
there's
a
thousand
square
feet
that
you
have
and
you're
going
to
be
vacating
another
100,
you're
getting
10
10
and
then
you're
just
going
to
pay
five
percent,
so
you
don't
even
have
to
involve
an
appraiser.
It's
just
going
to
go
with
the
going
rate
of
what
the
other
land
is.
M
A
O
A
I
just
a
couple
of
things
one
before
this
was
changed,
it
was
it
was
in
place
for,
as
you
read
it
right
now
for
25
to
30
years,
or
something
like
that.
So
it's
withstood
the
time.
The
test
of
time,
other
municipalities,
there's
a
memorandum,
I
wrote
that
do
things
a
variety
of
different
ways-
and
you
know
you-
maybe
the
city
manager
can
resurrect
that
memorandum
and
give
it
to
you
to
take
a
look
between
the
first
reading
and
the
second
reading.
A
The
other
thing:
Ms
Vincent,
I,
I,
don't
I,
don't
recall.
Reading
I
mean.
Obviously,
when
you
said
it's
going
to
be
put
back
the
way
it
was
I
read
the
addition
that
was
in
there
to
see
that
but
I
didn't
look
over
the
rest
of
the
ordinance.
That's
not
changing.
Is
it
in
there
that
says
what
we
use
this
money
for.
U
A
U
A
That's
that's
the
as
a
matter
of
fact
that
was
the
rationale
that
other
cities
gave.
Is
that
we're
giving
up
right
of
way,
therefore,
the
money
that
we
will
use
to
get
from
that
we
will
purchase
additional
right
away
because
it's
not
free.
That
was
their
rationale,
so,
if
that's
in
there
I'm
fine
with
it
I
just
didn't,
want
it
to
go
somewhere
and
then
I'm
going
to
use
for
something
else.
So
go
ahead.
R
A
Or-
or
we
could
add
it
for
that,
our
land
preservation,
whatever
we
would
like
the
one
right
of
way,
would
be
something.
For
example,
like
you
know,
we
we're
putting
in
a
side
our
Trail
we're
putting
in
a
trail.
We
need
to
buy
some
additional
right-of-way
for
a
trail
or
something
like
that.
I
think
that's
what
it
would
be
used
for,
but
I
I'm
open
for
adding
to
that.
As
far
as
the
land
preservation
fund,
which
I
think
is
established
right,
it's.
N
A
Land,
we
don't,
we
don't
have
it
for
right
of
way.
We.
N
Don't
know
Mr
Herring
could
set
that
up
to
do
it
that
way,
but
it'd
be
starting
at
nothing.
You'd
probably
have
more
use
of
it
for
future
things.
For.
A
A
K
A
We'd
have
to
resurrect
about
how
much
money
it's
like
you
know,
we
don't
do
any
Bean
counting.
We
just
assume
we're
going
to
use
that
money
for
something,
but
in
the
meantime,
it's
used
for
something
else
and
the
land
preservation
fund
that
we
established.
That's
actually
an
account
and
that's
what
the
city
manager
is
saying.
So
it
it
I
think
that's
what
you're.
U
And
see
I
think,
there's
a
restriction
on
the
land
preservation
fund
and
how
it
can
be
used.
I,
don't
think
you
can
take
money
out
of
the
land
preservation
fund
and
buy
future
rights
of
way.
So
that's
I
think
that's
a
descript
that
could
be
wrong,
but
I
think
there's
a
specific
limit
on
what
you
know.
M
M
U
A
N
A
A
A
big
issue
we
haven't
done
that
in
the
past
is
what
I'm
getting
at
yeah
we've.
That's
what
it's
for,
but
we
don't
know
how
much
money
we've
accumulated
over
the
25
years
or
whatever.
It
is
that
this
fund's
been
set
up
for
that.
Unless
we
go
back
each
item
of
vacating
and
figuring
out
how
much
money
that.
K
A
O
B
O
O
E
N
AD
Well
good
evening,
Mr
Mayor
Commissioners
I
won't
take,
but
but
a
couple
minutes
this
evening,
I've
presented
or
I
put
on
the
agenda
audit
number
zero
for
2023
of
the
police
department,
specifically
the
property
and
evidence
the
unit
within
the
police
department.
There
were
no.
There
were
no
findings
in
the
audit.
There
was
seven
observations,
so
I
won't
really
go
into
too
much
detail.
I
do
I.
AD
Do
want
the
board
to
know,
though,
while
this
audit
of
the
the
police
department,
the
police
department,
along
with
about
three
or
four
other
departments,
will
be
I,
don't
I,
don't
actually
think
this
is
a
one
audit
and
then
we're
not
gonna.
Look
at
the
police
department.
Again,
it's
the
police
department
is
one
of
those
departments
that
has
a
lot
of
inherent
risks,
so
it'll
be
they'll,
be
audited
more
often
than
than
some
other
departments
and
then
say
library
services.
AD
So
the
the
the
only
difference
is
the
the
audit
objectives
will
be
will
be
different.
So
this
audit
just
focused
on
property
and
evidence
and
the
reason
I
chose
property
and
evidence
is
because
it's
a
it's
a
it's
a
high
risk
area,
because
you
know
you
don't
want
a
police
officer,
you
know
stealing
evidence,
you
don't
want
evidence
being
tampered
with
or
or
you
know,
someone
being
exonerated
wrongfully
exonerator
wrongfully
convicted
because
evidence
was
spoiled
or
mishandled
in
any
way.
AD
So
it's
a
high
risk
area,
but
it's
an
area
that
can
be
managed
through
through
proper
controls.
So
what
what
I
did
was
I
basically
just
just
broke
down
the
the.
AC
AD
And
evidence
process
into
five
phases,
intake
processing,
storage,
checking
in
and
out
you
know
as
needed,
some
sometimes
they'll.
You
check
out
evidence
to
go
to
court
and
then
ultimately
the
disposal
of
the
evidence
and
then
I
I
did
an
audit
test
for
for
each
one
of
those
phases
and
and
and
all
the
tests
I
did.
AD
There
wasn't
one
exception
at
all,
so
it
was
about
as
clean
of
an
audit
as
as
you
can
get
so
without
going
into
too
much
detail
because
of
the
late
hour,
I
mean
I'd
be
happy
to
answer.
Excuse
me
any
questions
that
you
all
may
have.
A
M
Okay,
I'm
interested
I,
guess
more
and
and
when
you
said
well,
I'm
going
to
audit
the
police
department,
you
just
pick
property
and
evidence
as
the
highest
risk
area
or
I
mean
with
the
fire
department.
It
was
personnel
and
time.
So
how
do
you
make
this
determination
that.
AD
That's
a
good
question:
actually
it's
the
the
hardest
part
of
of
of
the
job,
to
be
honest
with
you
and
I'm
grappling
with
it
with
the
same
thing,
right
now
with
the
public
works
stormwater,
it's
there's
no
such
thing
as
a
as
a
you
know.
You've
I've
heard
people
say.
U
AD
An
audit
do
a
top-down,
you
know
top.
You
know
it's
from
top
to
bottom.
Look
at
everything!
Well,
there's!
No
such
thing
you
have
to
you,
have
to
come
up
with
audit
objectives
and
and
I
use
a
risk-based
approach
so
with
with
the
police
department.
There's
no
there's,
no,
there's
no
lack
of
of
risks,
whether
it's
it's
it's
Personnel,
whether
it's
equipment
and
and
asset
management
proper
and
evidence.
AD
That's
that's
a
that's
a
major
one
because
of
of
all
the
risks
there
with
reputational
risk,
and
it's
it's
if
you
didn't
have
controls
with
proper
evidence.
You
don't
want
to
be
on
the
news,
because
a
rogue
police
officer
did
something
wrong
or,
like
I
said
earlier,
someone
someone
you
know
gets
gets
exonerated
that
was
guilty
because
the
evidence
got
spoiled
or
or
the
reverse
happening.
AD
So
I
guess
to
answer
your
question
is
I,
do
kind
of
like
a
mini
risk
assessment
for
every
audit
and
I'll.
You
know
I'll
pick
three
or
four
things
and
then
I
go
from
there.
There's
some
some
things
like
X
I
also
has
take
into
account
the
resources.
It's
just
me.
So
I
can
only
look
at
so
many
things,
so
I
I
hope
that
answers
your
question.
It's
it's
it's
difficult
to
choose
in
this
case.
AD
I
chose
property
and
evidence,
and
if
you
were
just
to
Google,
you
know
police
audits
or
something
you
would
find
most
Auditors.
Do
you
look
at
property
and
evidence
when
they,
when
they
audit.
AD
And
that
that's
what
I
was
getting
at
the
next
audit
wouldn't
be
about
property
and
evidence
it'd
be
about
you
know,
like
I,
said,
asset
management
or
or
how
they're,
how
they're
booking
their
hours,
because
the
way
it's
just
like
just
like
the
fire
department,
all
First
Responders,
the
way
they
they
their
hours
are
calculated
a
lot
differently.
M
M
R
Thought
the
report
was
well
well
written
and
it's
good
to
see
that
the
things
we're
doing
things
are
being
done
well
at
the
police
department,
so
great
job
major
keep
up
with
great
work
thanks.
E
P
I,
read
it
in
detail
and
I
was
impressed
with
our
Police
Department
as
I've
always
been
and
I.
Thank
you.
I
didn't
have
any
issues
with
it.
It
was
exactly
as
I
would
hope
and
thought
it
would
be.
AD
O
Yes,
Mr
pulus,
it
was
a
great
audit
I'd,
no
doubt
property
and
evidence
would
be
in
a
tip
top
board,
especially
with
operations
major
right
next
to
us
and
we'll
just
look
to
see
in
the
future
and
just
you
know
our
Police
Department's
accredited
and
you
did
a
good
job
looking
over
overseeing
everything,
and
we
appreciate
it.
Thank.
AD
A
Mr
poulos
I
I
appreciate
what
you
do
and
and
again
you
can
continue
demonstrating
why
we
needed
to
have
our
own
internal
auditor
here
in
person
on
staff
and
so
I
really
thank
you
for
that.
I
wanted
to
also
give,
if
you
don't
mind
the
major
Trail
of
the
opportunities
going.
AF
Yeah
I
would
agree
property
and
evidence
being
important
for
the
creditability
and
accountability,
but
it's
I
I
can't
take
the
accolades.
They
can
give
me
here
because.
K
AF
Falls
under
a
Casey
Johnson's
done
a
phenomenal
job,
Sergeant
Crawford
overseas,
and
then
it
falls
under
Frank
Rogero
and
one
of
the
main
reasons,
not
just
the
Personnel,
but
the
accreditation
I
knew
you
guys
said
you
knew
I
knew
it
was
going
to
be
Tip-Top
shape
because
of
accreditation,
the
CFA,
and
that
is
really
thanks
to
retired
Chief,
coaching
current
chief
young
and
Frank
Rogero,
who
was
our
accreditation
manager,
who
really
not
just
got
us
where
we
need
to
be
and
passed
it
off
to
Mathis
to
carry
the
torch,
but
he
really
set
us
up
as
like
a
template
to
look
at
on
how
to
do
things
with
accreditation,
so
mad
props
out
to
those
gentlemen
and
Casey
Johnson
as
well.
AD
Yeah,
if
I
could
just
add
yeah
case
I
worked
closely
with
Casey
and
usually
with
with
audits.
Here.
I
have
access
to
pretty
much
every
anything.
I
need
with
the
police.
It's
a
little
different
because
they
they're
the
their
records
management
system
is,
is
dude.
A
A
Mr
jumper
there
any
public
comments
concerning
the
fire
department:
I'm,
sorry,
Police,
Department
audit.
A
E
A
B
A
AD
A
Okay
item
10
award
file,
number
230082-c-jl,
purchase
of
vehicles,
utilizing
Source
wall
contracts;
zero,
nine,
one;
five,
two
one
dash
in
af
and
zero:
six:
zero;
nine,
two
zero
Dash
in
af,
Vehicles
cars,
Vans,
SUVs
and
light
trucks
with
related
equipment,
accessories
and
services;
city
manager.
Of
course.
Yes,.
N
H
Good
evening,
Janina
Lewis
procurement,
Services
director
I'll,
just
be
pretty
brief.
You
have
the
package
in
front
of
you.
Basically,
what
you're
looking
at
is
all
of
the
vehicles
except
the
one
were
approved
in
the
line
item
budget
Workshop
that
we
held
for
2023
last
year,
and
these
are
the
replacement
vehicles
that
fleet
has
put
in
the
package
for
this
year's
buy.
We
do
have
a
couple
others
coming
along,
but
they
aren't
put
together.
Yet
what
we
did
was
we
took
all
these
vehicles
and
since
they're
all
coming
from
Alan
J.
H
That's
why
they're
all
on
this
particular
memorandum,
the
one
vehicle
that
was
not
in
the
2023
budget,
was
the
one
that
was
totaled
and
the
police
provided
a
separate
memo
and
the
insurance
is
pretty
much
going
to
cover
the
cost
of
that
vehicle
and
I'll
turn
it
back
over
for
questions.
Okay,.
A
Thank
you,
Ms
Lewis
public
comments.
Are
there
any
public
comments
concerning
this
item.
K
J
Say
it
again:
well,
y'all
earlier
had
items
three
and
four
with
regards
to
a
purchase
of
a
Ford
truck
and
replacement
OEM
parts,
and
the
discussion
was
about
the
inventory
of
quote:
unquote
unused
vehicles
or
little
used
vehicles
I
think
it's
really
time
to
get
a
full
inventory
of
all
the
vehicles
the
city
has
including
what's
in
the
police
department,
as
you
notice
here,
it
does
say
in
here
in
the
backup.
The
police
department
will
be
purchasing
four
new
Ford
interceptors
for
314
thousand
dollars,
but
they're
not
replacing
anything
we're
adding
Vehicles.
J
But
I
really
want
to
go
back
to
the
point
of
looking
at
all
of
the
assets
and
I
know:
Mr
poolless
is
left.
But
to
me
that
would
be
something
to
see
if
we
really
have
a
need
for
all
of
these
vehicles,
because
if
you
look
between
the
two
sections
of
what
the
police
want
to
purchase,
you're
close
to
half
a
million
dollars,
half
a
million
dollars
and
I
don't
know
about
you.
I
drive
to
Publix
I'd,
go
to
the
Post
Office
I'd
drive
down
Lime,
Street
and
I've.
Had
this
question
in
my
mind.
J
Even
from
before,
I
looked
to
the
left
or
to
the
right,
depending
on
if
I'm,
going,
east
or
west
and
I
see
a
lot
of
vehicles
in
that
police
parking
lot
also,
maybe
it
has
to
be
tied
to
how
we
utilize
those
Vehicles.
Is
it
one
officer
per
vehicle?
Are
we
no
longer
doing
tandems
and
the
other
thing
is
sometimes
when
I
see
stops,
there's
five
vehicles
with
five
policemen.
J
So
if
you
need
more
police,
we
maybe
have
a
couple
in
each
vehicle,
so
you
don't
need
as
many
vehicles
I'm
not
to
hear
criticizing
the
police
department
in
any
way
or
their
need
for
vehicles
it
to
me,
it's
more
of
a
fiscal
aspect,
an
efficiency
aspect.
If
we're
going
to
be
purchasing
more
Vehicles,
we
need
to
be
looking
more
at
hybrids
and
more
fuel
efficient,
but
also
the
actual
need
and
usage
of
these
vehicles.
So
those
are
a
couple
of
the
thoughts
that
I
had
with
regards
to
this
I
know.
J
It
says
that
some
of
this
was
already
proved
in
the
budget
and
to
me
next
time
you
have
a
budget.
You
should
before
that
have
some
kind
of
inventory
of
vehicles.
As
it
was
mentioned.
You
know
the
year,
the
mileage
the
amount
of
daily
or
weekly
or
monthly
usage,
so
you
have
a
better
idea
what
to
put
in
your
capital
expenditure
budget.
Thank
you.
R
O
B
A
Okay,
so
that
was
public
comments
from
Mr
delacas.
Are
there
any
other
public
comments?
A
You,
commissioner,
comments
vice
mayor,
long
sure.
A
M
One
I
just
have
one
sort
of
question:
it's
not
really
about
the
vehicles
and
where
the
costs
and
where
they
come
from
Etc,
since
we
already
budgeted
for
them.
M
H
A
The
Source
well,
is
the
one
that
we
approved
about
a
year
ago
or
less
than
that.
As
far
as
the
Statewide
con
is
that
the
one
that
we're
talking
about
Source.
H
Well
is
a
national
contract,
National
Co-op
and
it's
called
a
fleet
kind
of
like
a
Fleet
Sales
and
the
Allen
J
as
part
of
that
Fleet
Sales
Management.
It.
M
Yeah,
it's.
My
stance
is
the
same.
We
need
to
shop
these
contracts.
We
need
to
take
a
look
at
more
than
just
sourcewell.
What
happens
is
these
things
are
bid
for
multiple
years,
because
they're
bid
for
multiple
years,
and
nobody
knows
what's
going
on
with
the
the
economy?
Oh
two
or
three
years,
they
do
lower
discounts.
M
You
could
take
a
look
at
other
other
contracts.
Houston
has
a
fleet
vehicle
contract
I.
Don't
recollect
all
the
details
off
me,
but
there's
there
are
other
contracts.
There
I
think
we're
doing
the
city
of
disservice.
If
we
don't
lease
make
a
a
cursory
attempt
to
shop
this
kind
of
stuff
we're
talking
about
half
a
million
dollars
here.
If
we
shaved
off
another
10
percent,
that's
that's
fifty
thousand
dollars,
that's
another
vehicle,
so,
okay,
I'm,
sorry,
I,
know
I
harp
on
this.
No
is.
R
Thanks
I'm
in
support
of
evaluating
additional
contracts
that
are
available
to
the
city
as
well
too,
when
applicable,
so
I
think
this
would
be
an
area
that
would
apply
in
that
as
well
too.
Thank
you.
P
I'm
an
agreement
as
well
I'd
like
to
get
more
more
bids
in,
but
at
the
same
time,
as
was
said
earlier,
I
am
hoping
that
within
the
next
month
or
so,
I
can
get
a
breakdown
of
what
we
have
and
what
we
need.
What
we
don't
need
because
I'll
just
be
honest:
I
I
get
sick
to
my
stomach.
When
I
see
these
numbers,
you
know
when
I'm
looking
at
79
000
for
a
vehicle.
P
And
I
don't
know
how
often
it's
being
used
or
that
we
may
have
another
vehicle
sitting
there
idly
doing,
nothing
that
could
compensate
for
this,
so
I
mean
I'm
going
to
go
along
with
it,
because
it's
it's
here,
but
I
really
need
to
have
my
eyes
open
to
what
we
have
and
I
know.
That's
not
always
what
you
do
you
just
go
for.
You
know
newer
vehicles
and
you
upgrade
it,
but
I
need
to
get
a
full-blown
figure
of
what
we
have
as
a
city.
A
H
H
N
L
K
N
P
P
But
there
are
other
areas
in
in
this
market.
It's
easier
to
go
from
from
distributor
or
dealership
to
dealership
than
it
is
to
just
take.
What's
available,
some
vehicles
are
are
sold
over
asking
and
some
vehicles
are
you
sold
under
asking
it
just
depends:
availability
chips,
I
mean
there's
so
many
different
variables
today.
So
I
understand
all
that.
P
I'm
talking
about
that
I'm
sick
to
my
stomach,
about
keep
seeing
the
vehicles
and
then
not
only
are
we
paying
a
half
a
million
dollars,
but
I
know
you're
going
to
come
before
us
and
say
it
needs
this
maintenance
and
this
maintenance
and
we
keep
going
up
and
up
and
up
and
it's
just
no
end
in
sight.
So
what
I
want
to
do
is
make
sure
that
we
have
some
Logistics
on
how
we're
going
to
go
forward
period.
That's
it.
O
Janine
I
only
have
one
question:
these
These
are
scheduled
purchases
that
we
do
every
year
for
vehicles
and
for
our
fleets,
correct.
Yes,.
H
O
A
Are
there
any
other
questions
and
we're
going
to
go
to
a
motion
in
a
second
and
we'll
get
to
comments?
If
there's
any
comments.
A
A
mission
improved
Motion
in
a
second
okay,
we've
got
a
motion
in
a
second.
Are
there
any
commission
comments,
yeah.
O
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
that
you
know
this
type
of
rotation
of
purchasing
Vehicles.
You
know
with
our
Police
Department
our
fire
department
and
stuff
that
it's
actually
an
incentive
that
actually
helps
bring
in
other
police
officers
and
or
wanting
to
stay
here.
They
like
newer
equipment.
They
you
know
they
like
to
be
able
to
drive
around
vehicles
and
when
I
had
discussed
with
a
major
Trill,
the
the
expenses
with
the
the
forward,
the
Ford
hybrid.
O
A
lot
of
those
recommendations,
recommendations
which
was
from
the
sustainability
committee
to
try
to
do
some
conversion
and
purchasing
some
more
hybrid
vehicles,
so
those
hybrid
vehicles
do
come
at
a
cost
and-
and
you
know
they,
they
are
the
latest.
But
this
is
a
scheduled
purchase
that
we
do
every
year.
You
know
for
a
certain
amount
of
vehicles
down
I'm,
definitely
open
for
reviewing
other
contracts
to
see
prices
and
getting
a
a
list
of
all
of
our
vehicles
out
there
just
so
be
more
organized
and
but
happy
to
support
it.
A
A
This
is
not
when
something
comes
forward
for
us
to
purchase,
but
it's
at
the
time
of
budget
and
to
understand
it's
the
same
thing
that
we
pull
everything
in
together.
So
hopefully,
by
the
time
we
go
to
budget
the
city
manual,
provided
you
enough
information
for
you
to
have
an
understanding.
All
I
know
is
that
this
business
of
buying
seven
police,
cars
and
I
I
mean
are
they
addition
to
the
police.
AF
We're
we're
looking
to
get
rid
of
the
older
cars
right
and
we
base
that
on
age,
the
mileage
and
how
much
we
put
into
it
like
if
it's
a
car
that
costs
a
lot
of
money,
we
want
to
get
rid
of
it
if,
at
the
maintenance
we're
trying
to
get
rid
of
the
Chargers,
the
Chevy
Silverados
is
going
to
going
to
be
for
detective
division,
but
one
of
the
reasons
we
needed.
AF
That
is
because
it's
going
to
go
to
the
arson
investigator,
who
keeps
carcinogens
in
it,
and
you
don't
put
that
in
the
back
of
a
Camry
and
drive
around
with
carcinogens
in
it.
So
we
needed
a
pickup
truck
the
Sierra,
the
1500
Sierra
we
weren't
planning
on
doing
that.
But
what
we
talked
about
availability,
we
can't
get
hybrids
now
and
we
can't
get
Tahoes
now
until
middle
of
2023,
three
anyways
and
the
ones
that
we
already
ordered
are
going
to
be
late
in
this
year.
AF
So
what
we
did
was
we
planned
on
buying
a
truck
for
the
special
events
because
he's
Towing
barricades
and
all
that
kind
of
stuff
around,
and
you
can't
do
that
in
a
smaller
car.
As
well
and
we
were
going
to
purchase
that
next
year,
but
because
we
couldn't,
we
decided
to
purchase
it
this
year
with
a
totaled
out
Tahoe
when
they
rear-ended
and
totaled
the
Tahoe
on
19..
AF
Now
we
have
that
money
to
purchase
it
so
we're
we're
basically
flip-flopping
and
we'll
buy
an
SUV
for
patrol
next
year,
and
we
just
did
that
this
year.
But
that's
one
of
the
reasons
why
we
can't
get
a
Prius
and
drive
around
the
barricade
thing
to
take
out
to
all
the
events
that
we
have
in
the
city
and
the
special
events
coordinator
is
going
to
be
doing
a
lot
of
that
Hands-On,
the
hybrids
we
need
to
do
for
testing,
because
the
sustainability
asked
we've
had.
AF
We've
got
a
couple
before
for
administrative,
but
we
want
to
see
the
feasibility
and
how
well
it
works
long
term
for
patrol
and
if
it's
going
to
work
out,
so
we
need
to
test
and
evaluate
those
but
they're
going
to
be
replacing.
So
when
what
we'll
do
is
get
rid
of
the
ones
that
we
don't
want
anymore.
Now
it
was
brought
up
that
you
drive
by
the
police
department.
AF
There's
cars
in
the
parking
lot:
there's
people
in
the
police
department
that
work
that
drive
cars
there's
also
we
have
to
have
extra,
because
when
someone's
Tahoe
goes
down,
they
can't
just
walk
to
a
call
so
they're
gonna
we're
gonna
have
to
have
a
fleet
of
backup.
So
when
cars
go
to
the
shop
to
get
worked
on
or
set
up
to
to
Chevy
that
are
up
there
for
a
week,
they
need
a
vehicle.
So
we
need
to
keep
ones
that
the
best
of
our
lot.
We
try
to
keep
there
to
have
that.
AF
We
have
some
other
ones
for
administrative
purposes
and
for
special
details
as
well.
Yeah.
A
A
A
B
A
B
B
A
Yes,
all
right,
it's
1109!
The
next
item
is.
A
S
Tom
function:
Public
Works,
director
you're,
looking
for
the
approval
of
an
Elgin
street
sweeper
to
maintain
the
city's
current
fdep
requirements
for
stormwater
operation,
there's
a
purchase
through
the
environmental
products
of
Florida,
utilizing
a
sourceful
contract,
zero,
nine,
three
zero,
two
one
elg
in
the
amount
of
346
898
dollars.
S
Our
street
sweeping
program
is
critical
to
keep
our
roads
and
our
waterways
clear
of
debris
and
trash.
While
meeting
fdp
requirements,
there's
also
a
lot
of
annual
reporting
that
must
be
completed
and
provide
the
FTP
in
regards
to
this.
This
program,
there'll
be
two
street
sweepers
that
were
sent
to
auction
number
5998,
which
is
a
2010
Johnson
Alonso
alons
6408
2014
Johnson,
V2
651
and
both
these
sweepers
are
often
are
unusable
because
of
General
deterioration
of
the
AIDS
parts
of
shoes
that
both
have
been
severely
passed
through
useful
life.
S
The
newly
purchased
sweeper
will
be
replaced.
We
replaced
the
two
that
will
be
going
to
auction
it.
Funds
super
purchase
will
be
equally
split
across
the
following
Accounts
at
115
632.66
between
general
fund
sanitation
and
also
the
storm
water.
We
do
have
another
sweeper.
We
still
have
we'll
have
two.
Instead
of
having
three
so
we're
actually
eliminating
one
of
the
sweepers
that
we
have
thank.
A
You
Mr
function,
Mrs
Lewis,
have
anything
to
say
right.
A
With
them,
let's
go
to
public
comment.
Any
public
comments
concerning
the
purchase
of
the
street
sweeper
Mr
jump.
Are
there
any
remote
access
comments
concerning
the
purchase
of
the
street
sweeper.
M
Yeah
not
so
I'm
understanding.
You
need
to
keep
the
street
sweeping
program
up
to
keep
the
permit
from
the
state
of
that
lines.
I
guess
I
have
two
questions.
Maybe
is
there
a
specific
reason
that
we
need
this
specific
model
of
Elgin
street
sweeper.
S
We
felt
it
was
the
best
one
for
the
the
use
we
have
over
here.
Yes,.
M
Okay,
because
the
reason
I
ask
is
I
kind
of
Googled
around
you
know
and
I'm
like,
and
it
seems
the
most
popular
model
seems
to
be
the
the
region.
X1
right
and
the
prices
for
the
region.
X1
seem
to
be
significantly
lower
than
the
the
model
we
specified,
which
was
the
bear
whatever.
S
The
bear
one
the
bear
one.
We
filled
this
this
model
here
we
feel,
is
better
for
some
of
the
heavy
materials
like
leaves
sticks
things
like
that,
and
the
other
ones
seem
to
be
a
little
better
on
the
on
the
finer
points.
S
30
days,
I
believe
30
days
this
one's
available.
Yes,
sir,
oh.
M
S
H
Elgin
is
the
only
one
who
was
with
a
co-op
like
the
source,
well,
contract.
H
R
Yeah,
if
you
thought
of
Silverado,
is
as
expensive,
this
really
surpasses
that
for
sure
hey
what
what's
the
thought
process
of
going
from
three
to
two
sweepers
Tom.
S
Of
course,
we're
going
to
start
with
looking
at
program.
I
know
we
talked
about
changing
out
Vehicles
over
here
to
get
this
in
the
rotation.
There's
no
use
of
having
three
sitting
there.
It's
it's
a
waste.
R
P
Thank
you,
mayor
I
want
to
read
something.
The
sweeper
runs:
5
a.m,
Monday
to
Friday
on
Safford,
tarp
and
tarp,
and
Safford
tarp
and
Safford
Safford,
Safford,
dodecanese
and
I
could
just
continue
to
go
on.
They
all
seem
to
run
in
the
CRA
program
area.
N
S
N
They
wanted
that
preserved
for
more
specific
things,
and
it
wasn't
the
course
of
that
commission
to
be
able
to
come
forward
and
try
to
use
some
money
for
equipment
like
that.
Now
that
can
change.
We've
got
a
new
commission
that
can
change
the
we
approach
the
next
budget,
but
but
that
was
that
was
not
a
preferred
thing
of
of
past
commissions
to
use
that
CRA
money
for
that,
and
that's
the
major
reason.
P
I
haven't
seen
the
clock
sweep
up
anything
since
it's
been
installed,
I
haven't
seen
the
brass
statues
sweep
up
anything
since
those
were
installed.
This
is
something
what
I
wanna
I
wanna
go
through
with
this
I
think
this
is
a
great
thing
to
have,
but
I
think
it
should
be
supported
for
what
it's
used
for
and
it's
used
I
mean.
If
somebody
tells
me
where
I
mean
I
know,
it
goes
through
residential
areas
as
well,
but
I
want
to
spend
some
of
the
money
to
pay
for
this,
for
where
it's
cleaning.
W
O
P
B
K
A
K
B
A
Okay,
commissioner
Eisner
commissioner.
O
Happy
supported,
I
understand
we're
going
a
little
bit
pricier,
but
if
we
could,
if
I
could
ask
Tom
and
it
doesn't
need
to
be
brushed
right
away,
somehow
we
could
just
share
a
scheduled
maintenance
of
some
of
the.
You
know
the
roads
in
town
with
the
the
street
sweepers
or
maintenance,
where
you
have
a
list
of
certain
days
that
are
covered
the
roads.
S
O
Yeah
because
I
I
get
frustrated
when
you
know
residents
will
come
up,
say
we
don't
see
the
street
sweeper
well.
I
haven't
seen
the
street
sweeper
in
front
of
my
house
since
I
was
a
kid
that's
because
I
was
always
at
home.
When
I
was
a
kid,
so
you
know
we
just
want
to
be
able
to
have
a
a
rebuttal
to
say:
hey,
here's
a
street
sweeper.
These
are
you
know
certain
days,
it's
coming
by
your
neighborhood
and
getting
the
job
done.
So
that's!
That's
all
I
also.
S
E
A
All
right,
I,
don't
have
any
questions,
and
so
are
there
any
comments,
no
comments.
If
I
could
get
a
motion
motion.
A
A
So
let's
go
to
the
Attorney
Services
we've
got
three
of
them:
a
is
approved,
release
of
request
for
proposals
for
City
attorney,
rebid,
City
Manual.
Of
course.
Yes,.
H
Okay,
so
I
took
from
the
last
RFP
that
we
sent
out
and
implemented
some
of
the
suggestions
that
came
out
of
the
board
after
the
process
and
I
just
want
to
I'll
just
highlight
a
few,
and
if
there
are
any
other
recommendations
that
you
don't
see
that
I
left
off.
Please
let
me
know
the
first
was
kind
of
try
to
provide
some
kind
of.
H
We
want
to
kind
of
see
them
in
action,
so
we're
asking
for
an
internet
link
or
some
kind
of
website
address,
to
a
minimum
of
three
meetings
that
they've
actually
had
to
participate
in,
whether
it's
a
quasi-judicial
or
a
reading
or
an
interpretation
of
rules.
So
we're
asking
for
that.
We're
also
providing
the
actual
schedule
of
all
the
board
meetings
and
that
will
be
required
to
fill
in
exactly
who
will
attend
each
meeting
at
the
times
and
the
dates
we're
asking
for
a
little
bit
more
information
on
their
experience
of
doing
the
contracts.
H
What
they've
done
in
the
past
12
months,
we're
asking
you
know
like
what's
the
average
time
to
handle
certain
Matters
from
start
to
finish,
and
you
know,
maybe
they
could
give
us
a
an
idea,
we're
also
requesting
that
well
we're
not
requesting,
but
we're
highlighting
again
that
if
they
cannot
make
the
second
and
fourth
Tuesday
of
the
month
that
they
do
have
the
option
to
change
that
or
propose
the
first
and
third
we're
also
I.
H
Don't
think
I
have
it
on
here,
but
if,
if
a
firm
chooses
to
do
kind
of
a
joint
venture
or
subcontract
for
other
attorneys,
you
know
we're.
You
know
they're
more
than
welcome
to
propose
that
and
provide
the
agreement
they
have
with
the
other
attorneys
and
we're
asking
that
during
the
interview
part,
anyone
that
could
possibly
represent
the
city
they
bring
to
the
interview
and
one
of
the
slight
changes
at
the
end
was
once
we
get
the
proposals
in
that
the
board
any
of
the
board.
A
Thank
you.
Let's
go
to
public
comments
on
this.
Are
there
any
public
comments
on
this
particular
item.
R
Commissioner,
Carr
yeah
thanks
for
the
changes,
I
think
there
they
make
sense
for
what
we're
looking
for
as
a
board
based
on
the
past
discussions.
One
of
the
things
that
I
did
have
a
question
about
is
so,
if
there's
more
than
three
applicants
for
this
at
the
procurement
team,
would
shortlist
them
based
on
a
set
of
criteria,
am
I.
Reading
that
correctly,
I.
H
Don't
shortlist,
the
board
will
shortlist
so
say
we
get
five
five
submittals
I'll
send
them
all
out
to
you.
You
rank
them
and
then
from
your
rankings,
I'll
determine
which
made
the
top
three
and
give
that
back
to
you
before
I,
send
it
out
and
say
Here's
the
top
three
out
of
all
of
your
rankings.
Here's
who
would
make
the
short
list?
Okay,.
Q
H
E
Okay,
commissioner,
no
question.
O
Just
thank
you
for
the
changes
and,
if
I
could
ask
Janina
or
city
manager
just
try
to
look
at
different,
Avenues
and
posting
this
request,
this
RFP
and
and
try
to
hit
some
of
the
biggest
firms
and
municipal
government.
There
is,
and
that's
my
only
request,
thank
you
that.
A
Lewis
I
have
a
couple
of
questions
on
the
on
the
RP
concerning
the
provide
an
internet
link
website
address
to
a
minimum
of
three
current
or
past
City,
publicly
recorded
meetings.
A
Is
that
the
attorney
that
would
be
sitting
with
us,
I
guess,
for
example,
and
the
City
Attorney
Services,
would
also
be
not
with
just
us
but
with
the
various
boards
as
well,
and
for
me
personally,
I,
don't
think
I'd
need
to
have
three
videos
of
the
same
attorney.
I
would
rather
have
a
video
of
each
a
video
of
each
of
the
attorneys
that
we
would
be
that
would
be
utilized
in
whatever
capacity,
whether
it's
sitting
here
at
the
Deus
or
pnz
board
board
of
adjustment
or
something
I
mean
I'm
I'm.
A
A
pretty
quick
study
of
seeing
how
that
person
operates
over
a
two
or
three
hour
meeting
that
would
satisfy
me.
But
I
also
want
to
make
sure
that,
whatever
other
attorney
that
they
would
be
proposing
for
City
Attorney
Services,
we
have
a
look
at
as
well
from
the
pnz
perspective.
So
that's
number
one
and
then
the
other
thing
too
is
I
was
kind
of
curious.
The
average
cycle
time
per
matter.
The
time
it
takes
to
handle
illegal
matter
from
beginning
to
end
is
that
something
that
you
got
from
somewhere
that
it.
H
Was
I
was
doing
a
little
bit
of
research
on
different
things
that
you
may
want
to
look
have
to
include.
H
A
Oh,
that's,
okay,
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
you
know.
I
know
it's
a
it's.
It's
kind
of
an
innocuous
sort
of
thing,
and
sometimes
things
go
well.
Sometimes
they
don't
go
well,
and
but
it's
okay
to
include
that
I
guess
the
one
thing
I
I,
don't
want
to
wind
up
doing
is,
is
making
some
of
this
stuff
so
challenging.
To
answer
that
we
discourage
applicants
as
well.
A
So
I'm,
not
you
know
for
me
if
this
is
something
that
you've
seen
in
a
number
of
rfps
I,
think
it's
fair
enough
to
leave
it
in
there.
If
it's
something
that
may
sound
like
a
you
know
a
good
idea
and
may
pick
it
up
in
one,
but
several
others
that
you've
looked
at
don't
include
something
like
this
I'm,
not
so
sure
that
we
would
need
that
either.
So
that
would
be
my
only
observation
here.
So.
AC
A
That
and
this
position.
T
E
A
A
That's
all
I
have
as
far
as
the
observations,
but
thank
you,
Ms,
Lewis
I
know
it's
it's
a
it's
a
difficulty
to
try
and
get
something
like
this
out
and
published
and.
N
E
O
A
A
R
A
A
Is
the
trying
to
get
all
this
stuff
screwed
up
award
RFP
number
two:
three:
zero:
zero:
four:
zero
Dash
p
dash
JL
litigation
attorney
Services
agreement
and
that
agreement
would
be
with
Mr
Salzman
sitting
to
my
right,
Ms
Lewis.
H
Yeah
so
for
this
particular
award,
we
went
back
to
Eunice
Salzman
Jensen.
H
We
basically
already
had
their
proposal
in
hand
what
they
suggested
and
what
the
board
came
back
with
was
that
they
were
willing
to
do
the
hourly
rate.
The
hourly
rate
proposed
was
175.
So
that's
what
we
agreed
upon.
A
Comments
vice
mayor
long,
oh
hang
on
a
second
just
before
we
get
into
that
Mr
Salzman.
If
I
may
ask
you
to
give
us
on
to
Ms
Lewis's
point
I,
remember
in
your
RP
was
like
6
000,
a
retainer
of
about
6
000
a
month.
Is
that
correct
right?
We
would
well.
AC
Z
AC
A
That
was
also
based,
you're;
okay,
with
that,
based
on
the
amount
of
litigation
that.
A
Okay,
now,
the
other
thing
too
is
is
I
want
us
to
think
about.
This
I
went
back
and
listened
to
the
October
11th
uh-huh
public
meeting,
where
we
got
this
approved.
A
Commissioner
Carr,
and
there
was
a
little
bit
going
back
between
myself
and
commissioner
car
as
far
as
clarification
as
far
as
the
litigating
litigation
attorney
being
independent
of
the
special
counsel
and
that
that
litigation
attorney
was
going
to
focus
on
include
Harbor.
So
we've
got
the
City
Attorney
Services
that
are
being
rebid,
the
RP
that
went
out
and
it
may
have
not
been
written
as
specifically
with
Anclote
Harbor,
but
I
I.
Think
as
Mr
Salzman
could
tell
you.
There
isn't
a
whole
lot
going
on
with
at
least
as
of
right
now
with
Anclote
Harbor
right.
A
So
and
then
commissioner
Carr
brought
up
the
fact
that
our
Charter
says
you
know
the
the
City
attorney
is
going
to
be
doing
everything
and
then
I
also
got
an
opinion
from
another
attorney
says
that
you
could
have
an
assistant
City
attorney
for
litigation.
In
other
words,
that
would
get
us
out
of
this
sole
thing.
So
my
point
is:
when
we're
approving
this
agreement,
we
need
to
approve
it
for
based
on
what
the
original
motion
was
to
go
out.
We
need
to
approve
it
for
a
very
specific
purpose.
A
To
me:
I,
don't
it's
up
to
the
commission
with
what
they
want
to
do,
but
if
we
approve
the
litigation
attorney
Services
agreement
as
it
was,
the
motion
was
made.
It
would
be
for
Anclote
Harbor.
There
isn't
a
whole
lot
going
on
I,
I
guess:
Mr
Salzman
would
be
okay
for
that,
but
it
doesn't
solve
Mr
C
major
L
of
course's
thing
with
some
of
the
other
lawsuits
that
we've
got
going
on
that
are
not
part
of
the
Florida
League
of
cities
right.
It.
N
T
Issue
that
that
was
asked
about
City
attorney
being
the
one
who
has
to
defend
everything
right
and
the
charter
language.
Well,
the
charter
language,
isn't
that
clear.
I
want
I,
want
the
commission
to
understand
that.
As
a
matter
of
fact,
you
have.
If
you
follow
the
charter
language,
the
way
it's
read
you
couldn't
even
have
your
insurance
company
provide
you
an
attorney
so
that
when
we've
looked
at
these
and
I
did
some
research
on
it?
T
Not
a
lot,
but
I
did
some
research
on
it
and,
as
you're
well
aware
that
a
lot
of
times
under
the
under
the
City
attorney,
you
get
a
law
firm,
you
can
get
a
City
attorney,
you
can
have
them
contract
with
another
group
and
that
falls
under
City
attorney.
There
is
nothing
in
in
while
your
Charter
and
your
code
basically
are
hand
in
hand
in
language,
there's
nothing
that
prevents
you
from
having
multiple
City
attorneys,
which
is
what
you've.
T
Because
otherwise,
as
I
said,
then
the
league
couldn't
provide
you
an
attorney.
Your
City
attorney
would
have
to
provide
you
all.
The
insurance,
defense
or
they'd
have
to
oversee
everything,
and
that's
certainly
not
the
past
practice
here.
Okay,
so.
A
A
That's
fine,
but
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
you
know
we
understood
what
we
were
approving
tonight
is
for
a
litigation
attorney
for
the
include
Harbor.
T
A
A
The
only
reason
we've
decided
to
have
a
litigation,
a
current
attorney
was
for
the
independence
of
the
special
counsel
and
that
initially
we
thought,
maybe
the
special
counsel
would
litigate
anything
that
may
have
come
out
of
that
investigation.
If
there's
anything
I'm,
not
so
sure,
we'll
see
what
happens,
but
the
City
attorney
that
we
has
always
litigated.
Whatever
issues
are
have
been,
whether
it's
whole
house
foreclosures
and
those
that
get
challenged,
and
then
we
have
the
Florida
League
of
cities
as
our
insurer.
A
That's
who
is
litigated
for
us.
The
independent
litigation
was
the
fact
that
we
wanted
to
insulate
the
City
attorney
from
Anclote
Harbors,
because
that
seemed
to
be
an
issue
because
we
were
using
the
same
Law
Firm
that
was
dealing
up
here
for
us
advising
us
on
include
Harbor.
They
were
litigating
as
well
on
Anclote,
Harbor
and
then
also
the
special
counsel,
because
they
wouldn't
be
an
independent
I'm,
just
explaining
it.
A
A
Not
it
is
I
mean
I,
think
I'd
listen
to
it
a
couple
of
times,
but
we
don't
have
the
minutes
published
and
you
won't
have
that
as
an
official
record
until
those
is
that
I
mean
that's
correct.
Is
that
right,
Miss,
Jacobs
yeah?
So
the
only
thing
we
have
right
now
is
the
video,
because.
A
My
point
is
I'm
I
I
just
want
to
clarify
this,
that
that
was
the
intent
of
the
litigation
attorney
was
for
the
Anclote
Harbor
concerned
citizens
and
also
the
Colson
case,
and
then
Mr
liquorice
was
using
Mr
Salzman
for
other
things
that
were
coming
up
as
well
as
the
enclosed
Harbor.
Until
we
got
a
litigation
attorney
on
board,
if
the
commission
wants
to
utilize
the
litigation
attorney
for
all
litigation,
that's
fine,
but
that
needs
to
be
clear.
A
O
W
O
It
and
I'd
have
to
go
back
and
watch
the
video
too
I
thought
we
were
focusing
on
hiring
litigation
attorney
for
all
litigation
and
then
the
special
counsel
would
be
separate
for
the
investigation.
A
I
think
maybe
Mr
Salzman
can
help
in
this
regard.
When
you
take
you
take
the
and
and
I
guess,
maybe
there's
some
advantage
to
doing
that,
but
traditionally
the
City
attorney
has
not
necessarily
litigated
the
case
themselves.
The
City
attorney
has
utilized
the
litigation,
you
know,
they've
they've
gone
and
either
subcontracted
or
something
a
litigation
attorney
because
they
specialize
in
in
that
court
and
then
there's
you
know
and
and
that's
just
the
way
it's
worked
in
trash
diagonal.
A
They
Mr
Trask
was
our
City
attorney.
Mr
dagdoll
was
a
litigator,
I
would
suspect,
is
his
background
or
and
he
litigated,
and
all
that
legal
work
was
contained
within
Trask
diagonal
when
we
wound
up
getting
into
these
emails
and
things
like
that,
we
recognize
that
that
may
not
be
too
good
to
have
a
City
attorney
involved.
AC
A
Of
this
same
reasons,
in
other
words
the
City
attorney
involved
in
the
Anclote
Harbor
litigation,
for
the
same
reasons
why
you
know
we
had
the
issue
with
the
include
Harbor
being
litigated
by
the
by
the
City
attorney.
So
we
wanted
to
make
that
independent
until
the
special
counsel
got
completed,
and
then
it
was
the
same
thing
with
the
with
the
a
special
counsel.
There
was
some
discussion
of
using
the
special
counsel,
not
I,
think
that
was
commissioner
Carr's
original
assumption.
A
If
you
look
at
the
video
and
I
said,
no,
then
the
special
counsel
wouldn't
be
independent.
That's
why
we
needed
a
separate
litigator,
but
I
just
wanted
to
point
that
out
to
the
commission
tonight,
I'm
we're
spending
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
time
on
this,
but
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
you
all
understood
that
when
you
go
back
to
the
because
I
just
want
to
make
sure
we
don't
have
an
issue
with
this
leader
as
far
as
how
we
hire
how
we
utilize
our
attorneys
in
the
future.
A
T
At
yeah,
if
I
could
respond,
because
having
looked
at
everything
that
you
all
provided
when
I
applied,
it
was
my
understanding,
as
was
just
mentioned,
that
the
RFP
was
for
litigation.
You
said
you
were
going
to
have
a
separate
litigation
attorney
for
to
cover
all
litigation
that
wasn't
covered
by
the
league.
That's
how
the
RFP
came
out.
You
were
going
to
have
a
City
attorney
that
was
going
to
cover
all
the
other
things
that
a
normal
City
attorney
does
I
mean.
Is
it
unique
to
this
city?
T
It
could
be,
but
you
have
a
lot
of
meetings.
For
example,
and
one
of
the
issues
that
came
up
when
I
applied
for
a
City
attorney
is
who's
going
to
cover
the
meetings
that
I
can't
cover
right,
and
so
my
the
way
it
came
across
to
me
was
that
you
needed
to
make
sure
that
whoever
you
had
a
City
attorney
was
either
going
to
be
a
firm
or
an
association
of
attorneys,
so
that
all
meetings
could
be
covered
and
could
deal
with
the
daily
things.
Because
you
have
a
lot
of
issues.
T
The
litigation
attorney
the
way
I
understood
it
was
just
separate
for
all
litigation
that
would
not
be
covered
and,
and
the
only
thing
that
would
I
would
tell
you-
is
that
yeah
I'm
a
little
unique
in
that
I'm,
a
litigator
who
also
serves
as
a
City
attorney
a
lot
of
times.
You'll
have
somebody
like
Mr
Trask,
who
only
does
City
attorney
and
doesn't
litigate
and
and
he'll
tell
you
that
he
doesn't
so
they
happen
to
have
that
in
his
firm.
A
M
M
A
We
did
the
selection
if
you
go
back
and
we
did
the
and
you
we
did.
The
selection,
if
you
recall,
I,
wasn't
convinced
that,
given
the
amount
of
litigation
that
was
ongoing-
and
this
was
specific
to
Anclote
Harbor-
that
we
needed
a
separate
litigation
attorney,
this
was
when
we
did
our
selection.
The
litigation
attorneys,
but
I
went
ahead
and
went
along
with
that,
just
because
this
is
what
the
commission
wanted
to
do
and
I
think
as
Mr
Salzman
also
made
the
observation.
A
There
just
wasn't
a
whole
lot
of
litigation
going
on
right
now,
and
so
you
know
we
had
the
include
Harvard
in
which
the
three
cases
going
on
right
now.
Three
other
cases
that
are
very
minor
yeah.
M
A
Just
wanted
to
point
that
out
to
y'all
and
I
think
that
was
the
basis
of
backing
off,
that
the
the
retainer
approach
and.
M
T
T
A
A
A
R
That's:
okay,
just
a
couple
things
in
the
in
the
agreement
itself
to
note:
there's
this
public
meeting
held
on
blank
2022
that
date's
going
to
be
updated
and
also
from
a
rate
standpoint,
there's
175.00.
R
It
also
has
a
cross
out
through
it
just
from
a
formatting
standpoint.
So
if
someone
could
actually
write
out
175
dollars
per
hour,
that
would
also
I
think
be
best
practices.
Just
so
there's
no
doubt
if
there's
a
copy
of
this
or
if
it
gets
back
from
Blue
to.
W
E
P
I'm
sort
of
confused,
but
that's
okay,
so
would
then
the
special
counsel
take
the
litigation
on
that.
Okay,
so
you're
handling
that
I
got
you.
Okay,.
A
But
I'm
okay,
now
yeah
the
whole
idea
was
the
special
counsel
is
going
to
take
eight
months
and
the
whole
idea
was
to
get
the
City
attorney
on
board.
That
was
my
premise
to
get
the
City
attorney
on
board.
Then
we
would
deal
with
the
litigation
attorney,
but
then
we
went
ahead
and
you
know
awarded
the
RP
to
Mr
Salzman
and
we're
here
and
I
I.
A
A
It's
not
a
temporary
basis.
No,
this
was
a
permanent
and,
and
it
is
over.
A
A
A
Any
go
ahead
and
see
man
two.
N
Things
one
can
we
make
sure
we
change
the
signature
block,
because,
because
this
involved
Anglo
Harbor
two,
we
need
to
change
it
to
the
to
the
approval
for
the
for
the
mayor
to
sign.
That's
necessary
manager,
sign
and
I
was
looking
for
words
that
term
I
don't
see
the
90
days
in
here.
I
know
those
contracts
got
to
be
fixed
up
and
formalized
and
then
before
you
sign,
but
help
me
Janina
with
the
the
90
days,
I.
T
R
R
A
R
N
N
H
N
A
W
R
P
R
Yeah
can
I
make
a
motion.
Yeah
can
I
make
a
motion
to
approve
this.
Yes
with
adding
the
termination
language
of
a
90-day
notice
by
either
party,
and
then
the
Salzman
group
will
be
handling
all
litigation
services
for
the
city
of
Tarpon
Springs.
B
R
A
A
H
The
special
counsel
attorney
I
spoke
with
Carlton
Fields
Adam
Schwartz,
and
he
has
put
together
an
engagement
letter
when
I
spoke
to
him.
They
also
agreed
to
waive
some
of
the
like
the
travel
costs.
The
fees
you
do
see
in
there
are
the
fees
for
the
attorneys
they
are
also
in
his
engagement
letter.
He
also
needs
to
send
me
an
updated
engagement
letter.
They
agreed
to
remove
the
they
wanted.
A
prepayment
and
they've
agreed
to
waive
that
for
us,
so
there's
no
prepayment
required,
which
would
kind
of
be
a
retainer
they're.
H
Not
asking
for
that.
Second
is
the
payment
terms
under
Section
e
in
his
the
engagement
letter
terms,
they're
going
to
remove
the
15
days
to
resolve
questions
they're
going
to
change
that
to
30
days,
because
I
had
to
explain
to
them
that
you
know.
If
we
get
the
bill
at
the
end
of
the
month,
we
don't
have
a
board
until
the
second
Tuesday
of
the
month.
That
gives
me
like
14
days
to
get
something
to
you
guys
than
to
get
it
resolved
so
they're
going
to
extend
that
to
30
days.
H
A
J
Peter
relax514
Ashland,
Avenue
I
wasn't
gonna
comment
on
the
other
one
because
it
seemed
pretty
explanatory
that
it
was
for
litigation
services.
But
when
I
made
my
public
comments,
you
made
a
statement
with
regards
to
getting
an
update.
All
I
heard
from.
A
J
Asking
Mr
Salzman
there's
not
much
going
on
well,
we
know,
there's
not
much
going
on,
because
the
court
denied
your
petition,
so
I
would
have
thought
at
this
point
in
the
meeting
or
somewhere
along
the
line.
The
board
would
either
be
directing
Mr
Salzman
to
file
an
appeal
or
making
a
decision
as
to
whether
to
file
an
appeal
or
to
determine
as
to
how
to
proceed
to
go
forward
so
we're
in
the
kind
of
in
the
dark
here
as
to
what
the
city
is
planning
to
do.
J
Next,
with
regards
to
your
requests
for
a
state
pending
the
results
of
the
investigation
where
that
stands
and
I
know
it's
tied
to
this
with
the
Carlton
Fields,
based
on
getting
your
report
back
from
your
investigation.
But
in
the
meantime,
as
I
mentioned,
we
are
going
to
be
filing
an
appeal
of
to
the
second
district
and
it
would
be
wise
if
you
are
going
to
continue
your
previous
determination
of
filing
a
stay
that
at
least
you
advise
the
Second
District
Court
of
what
has
occurred
with
regards
to
special
counsel
and
your
investigation.
J
A
No
thanks
for
bringing
that
up,
we'll,
try
and
pick
that
up
at
at
the
end
of
the
meeting
with
comments
and
that
shouldn't
take
too
long
from
now
any
other
public
comments.
M
H
H
M
A
AC
R
Mayor
so
from
a
term
standpoint,
it's
a
tier
contract
with
an
additional
one-year
renewal
option
that
seems
much
longer
than
the
anticipated
I
forget
how
many
months
it
was,
but
I
think
the
goal
was
to
have
it
wrapped
up
within.
A
R
To
have
a
term
in
there
maybe
of
a
year
at
most,
but
then
the
goal
should
be
eight
months
to
have
it
wrapped
up
really
should
be
a
end,
the
agreement
itself
and
then
there's
there's
terms,
there's
a
lot
of
terms
and
conditions,
standard
terms
and
conditions
that
Carlton
Fields
has
I'm
assuming
they're
wanting
those
added
in
the
agreement
as
well
too.
Yes,
hopefully,
our
City
attorney
has
been
able
to
review
those
and
then
also
the
the
items
that
you
called
out
as
well
too.
R
H
Do
want
to
say,
though,
on
the
the
length
of
the
term
the
reason
we
went
for
the
two
years.
Was
it
and-
and
you
know
it's
strictly
the
board's
decision,
but
if
something
else
occurs
in
the
findings
of
this
matter,
that
then
precludes
to
another
situation
that
you
may
need
them
for
a
longer
period
of
service.
We
wouldn't
have
to
keep
renewing
their
contract,
so
I'm
just
putting
that
back
out
there
for
you,
I.
R
A
B
O
A
A
Yes,
everybody,
yes,
any
other
comments,
commissioner.
Yes.
P
H
Is
what
Carlton
Fields
is
capping
it
at
they're
agreeing
not
to
exceed
160
000?
Okay,.
P
K
E
M
H
Yes,
I
I
tried
I
discussed
with
him.
I
said:
let's
talk
about
rates,
I
was
trying
to
get
the
rates
lowered
and
also
trying
to
get.
If
he's
going,
to
have
two
attorneys
in
the
room
at
one
time,
one
one
great
for
one
attorney,
but
they
did
not
waiver
on
those.
H
P
Well,
I
I
just
remember
his.
It
was
just
a
guesstimate
because
it
was
my
question:
I
asked
how
much
he
thinks
this
could
come
out
to,
and
he
said,
yeah
I
would
say
about
160
000.
and
that
at
being
a
guesstimate
turns
into
a
hard
figure.
P
O
No
I
I
was
going
to
ask
the
question
about
the
the
two
attorneys
working
together.
So
we
got
that
straightened
out.
They've
done
some
negotiating
with
Janina
and
we
know
this
is
going
to
cost
money,
guys
we're
we're
in
deep
at
this
point.
Let's
you
know,
get
this
search
going
and
put
it
behind
us,
so
we
can
move
forward
with
the
city
business
thanks
guys.
A
I
yeah
I
I
mean
bottom
line,
for
me
is
that
we've
done
an
awful
lot
of
talking
about
this
I.
Think
that
there's
a
you
know,
there's
always
a
lot
of
questions
that
came
out
of
the
last
two
years,
and
the
only
way
we're
going
to
get
answers
to
these
questions
is
to
get
somebody
like
Carl
Carlton
feels
to
look
into
it
if
we
would
have
gotten
something
with
a
lesser
capability.
A
I
think
that
at
the
end
of
the
day,
at
the
end
of
the
investigation,
if
we
would
call
it
that
there
still
may
be
questions
as
far
as
whether
everything
was
was
done
and
I
think
that
I
don't
want
to
say
you
get
what
you
pay
for,
but
it's
it's
something
that
we
need
to
do
thoroughly.
We
need
to
do
it
once
put
it
whatever
happens,
if
something
more
work
comes
out
of
it.
Okay,
if
no
more
comes
out
of
it,
we
learn
something
out
of
it.
A
O
A
Lewis
can
ask
and
I'm
not
sure
what
the
answer
would
be
other
than
you
know.
It
is
what
it
is.
So
what
you're
saying
is,
if,
if
we,
if
they
don't
I,
mean
I,
don't
want
to,
is
there
any
more
that
you
want
to
get
to
in
that
regard?
I'm.
A
L
H
W
B
A
All
right,
it's
1204
we're
going
to
go
to
comments
right
now,
major
Trail,
anything
Epiphany.
AF
Although
the
day
observance
on
the
16th,
our
parade
is
on
the
14th
make
sure
you
come
out
to
that,
and
also
during
this
time,
we've
had
a
lot
of
off-duty
special
events,
all
the
stuff
that
goes
on
during
the
holidays,
I'm
going
to
give
a
shout
out
to
Sergeant
Mathis,
who
did
a
great
job
with
that
Epiphany
everything
else,
the
Christmas
parade
and
everything
else
is
going
on,
and
also
a
shout
out
to
all
the
officers
that
have
worked
these
details
to
staff
these
details
and
make
sure
it's
safe
that
are
working
extra
when
they're
during
the
holidays,
as
well,
so
mad
props
to
them
as
well.
AF
A
T
As
as
the
board
knows,
the
stay
was
denied
at
this
point.
Until
we
have
some
actually
concrete
findings,
I'm
not
recommending
that
we
refile
the
state,
it's
we
don't
have
grounds
to
appeal
it
right
now.
It
would
be
nothing
more
than
useless,
so
I
want
to
I'm
hoping
that
we'll
get
some
information
from
special
counsel.
T
As
soon
as
we
get
that
information,
then
I
can
have
grounds
to
file
a
state
because
the
way
and
when
I
did
the
research
on
it
from
a
factual
standpoint,
we
notified
the
court
of
the
investigation
that
was
going
on.
There's
not
law
necessary
to
support
that
until
we
find
something
to
give
them
a
reason
why
this
will
affect
the
litigation.
It's
speculative
right
now.
E
A
New
grounds,
okay,
and
as
far
as
the
litigation
with
the
concerned
citizens.
Well,
if.
T
They're
appealing
that
that
you
know
that
stay,
then
that
will
come
forward
and
that
and
that'll
be
continuing
on
the
litigation
other
than
that
there's
not
anything
pending
other
than.
We
know
that
right
now
the
developer
doesn't
have
all
their
permits
in
place
and
right.
A
So
they
can't
move
forward,
but
if
they,
but
given
that
the
I
want
to
for
the
purpose
of
the
commission,
I
don't
want
to
run
out
of
time.
But
if
concerned
citizens
did
not
do
anything,
then
our
stay
pending.
The
outcome
of
the
litigation
would
be
moot.
Is
that
correct.
T
T
T
A
All
right,
thank
you.
City
management,
of
course,
I'll
bounce
at.
W
O
A
Okay,
I've
got
I'm,
hoping
I
can
get
this
done
in
two
seconds.
We've
got
the
special
counsel
workshop
on
January,
17th
and
also
I've
asked
the
city.
Actually,
commissioner,
elect
couleianus,
approached
you
for
being
able
to
have
a
say
during
that
meeting
as
well.
Right,
yes,
and
so
I
just
wanted
to
make
that
known
to
this
commission
that
that
would
occur,
that's
in
allowable
under
our
rules
of
procedure,
so
that
that's
going
to
happen.
A
The
workshop
of
a
special
Counsel
on
the
17th
next
week
on
Tuesday
he'll,
be
a
commissioner
April
in
April.
Therein
will
be
on
board
for
most
of
the
special
yeah.
M
A
Us,
yes,
the
other
thing
I
wanted
to
talk
to
the
commission
about.
Was
we
a
special
session
on
projects?
If
you
go
through
the
project,
say
I
had
a
conversation
with
the
city
manager.
There's
a
number
of
projects
that
I'm
beginning
to
get
a
little
I've
got
questions
on
it's
getting
to
the
point
where
I've
got
a
little
I,
don't
understand
and
I
think
we
have
to
have
that
conversation
more
of
a
prioritization.
We
didn't
add
anything
on
there
to
allow
some
of
these
things
to
get
out
of
the
way.
A
The
one
example
I'm
going
to
give
you.
If
you
look
at
your
project,
update
the
MLK
spring
Boulevard
intersection
is
59,
complete
I.
Think.
If
you
go
back
and
listen
to
some
of
the
meetings,
we
got
the
impression
that
we
would
either
be.
We
would
have
bid
documents
about
this
time
and
not
this
time,
but
later
in
January
and
February
I,
don't
see
that
happening
with
59
design,
complete
and
and
it's
okay,
except
for
the
fact
that
we
need
to
have
that
intersection
done.
A
A
You
know,
go
out
to
bid
again
to
finish
the
work
and
then
sue
the
bond
company
I
have
no
idea,
but
we
need
to
have
a
conversation
on
that,
rather
than
just
kind
of
sitting
that
and
and
keeping
it
band-aided
at
the
expense
of
the
of
the
residents.
So
there's
several
of
them
like
that
and
I
want
to
find
out
whether
you
have
an
interest
of
having
a
and
I
think
it
would
be
a
special
session,
because
I
think
we
need
to
vote
on
a
on
a
priority
unless
you
think
a
workshop
would.
N
A
The
other
thing
I
know
that
a
couple
of
you
I,
you
hear
talk.
You
know
the
the
and
I
mentioned
this
to
the
city
manager.
Today,
the
the
search
Services
RP
is
going
to
close
I
want
to
say
January
15th,
but
it
was
right
around
that.
So
at
some
point
later
we'll
be
looking
at
who
the
applicants
were
for
that
those
search
services,
so
I
want
to
let
you
know
that
that
went
out
late,
November,
maybe
the
first
week
in
December
and
the.
A
So
I
just
wanted
to
update
you
on
that.
The
there's
still
a
couple
of
ordinances
that
we
need
to
get
to
get
to
the
schedule
of
fees
for
the
consultants
and
things
like
that.
That
I
think
we
need
to
kind
of
get
at
least
an
idea
of
where
we
are
on
some
of
those
I
know
Renee's
working
still
working
hard
to
get
those
things
out.
This
is
where
we
back
bill
or
charge
the
applicants
when
we
have
to
have
Consultants
at
the
trcs,
rather
than
we
paying
for
them
out
of
our
pocket.
A
So
there's
a
couple
of
these
those
types
of
ordinances
out
there.
We
need
to
still
bring
back
okay
other
than
that
on
at
face
value,
Epiphany
went
great,
was
wonderful,
no,
no
major
issues
or
accidents
or
or
anything
like
that.
It
went
well.
I.
Think
major
Trail
mentioned
that
there's
a
couple
of
things
he's
going
to
talk
to
some
people
about
and
see
manager
knows
that
I.
You
saw
a
letter
from
me
but
other
than
that.
All's
well
that
ends
well
and
then
we'll
just
move
forward
into
the
into
the
new
year.
A
I
wish
to
really
thank
the
police
department
because
of
of
really
helping
out
when
it
came
up
front
and
close
down
there
at
the
top
of
the
stairs.
So
I
was
really
appreciative
of
that,
and
this
is
a
new
year
I'm
hoping
we're
going
to
be
getting
some
things
done.
We
got
the
two
million
dollars
for
the
Craig
for
the
Spring
Bayou
Seawall
and
there's
some
timing
issues
East
Orange
Street,
but
those
are
all
going
to
be.
The
topic
of
conversation
at
the
workshop
are.
R
N
No,
they
still
are
the
from
the
last
update.
We
should
have
another
one
next
couple
days
to
send
out
from
the
last
one
we
sat
with
the
fight
it's
about
time
for
the
two-week
two-week
update,
so
it'll
be
high
schedule.
Okay,.